00:00:53.740So I've got Brian Lilly and Karim Assad and Paul Balazio,
00:00:56.500but I've also got Alex Pearson, I've got Ben Mulroney, and I've got Michael Smith from CKNW.
00:01:03.940So to accommodate all that, how do I deal with all of that? Let me take you behind the scenes
00:01:08.280at the Kinsella Cast headquarters. It's an empire, really. And so we had a meeting in the boardroom
00:01:17.600And I said to myself, how do we have that many people on the show and have the right amount of music without making it the longest podcast in history, with the possible exception of the two hour and 30 minute broadcast podcast that Joe Rogan had with Pierre Polyette this week?
00:15:58.940It's, it's been getting bad for years, so I don't know what his play is.
00:16:04.320Like, okay, so if the Democrats take back some of the House, they may say don't put
00:16:09.820tariffs on Canada, but it's not like they actually want free trade with Canada.
00:16:13.040Yeah. I mean, Joe Biden, the whole reason that Trudeau and Doug Ford had to put all that money into the EV sector to get those two plans was Joe Biden was trying to fuck us over and take all the auto jobs south of the border. And so they matched the Inflation Reduction Act. We don't have friends in Washington these days like we used to.
00:18:06.540You're gonna go under, go under, go under, go under, go under, go under, you tear me asunder, go under, go under, go under, go under, yeah.
00:18:19.600And we're back, we're back with my friend Carl Belanger, and Carl, everybody's talking, well, everybody talks about the interviews I do with you, but the other thing that they talk about is the big interview for two and a half hours,
00:18:33.080Pierre Polyev sat down with Joe Rogan.
00:18:36.140I thought there were all kinds of ways
00:23:09.800And the other indicator that's interesting is that even though there was kind of a feeling or a sentiment that there should be an anybody-but-avvy movement, it didn't materialize.
00:23:23.540In fact, Andrew McPherson tried to strike a deal with Rob Ashton, and they're both running second and third, depending on who you talk to, to engage their supporters to vote for the other one and not Avi in second spot.
00:23:39.180because it's a ranked ballot, and Rob Ashton turned Heather McPherson down.
00:23:43.200So there's nothing organized to create any kind of anybody but Avi Lewis movement.
00:23:49.260So I think that you never know in politics, and it's a secret ballot,
00:23:56.160and people have sometimes weird rational, but by all indicators,
00:24:00.420he is going to win and win big, and he is going to have time to rebuild the party.
00:24:05.640He'll be able to crisscross the country to bring some money into the NDP's electoral bank, and he won't have to face an election.
00:24:14.640And because it's a majority government, he won't have to be in Ottawa all that much because the NDP now in Ottawa is irrelevant.
00:24:21.980They not only have no party status in three weeks' time when Carney gets his majority, they will have also lost the balance of power.
00:24:31.120Now, he shouldn't face an election, I agree, but what about a by-election?
00:24:34.380there's rumors flying that with Nate Erskine-Smith
00:27:15.900This is where he doesn't have the reflex, he doesn't consider the options, he doesn't understand fully how caucus management works and how they're thinking, and so he just takes position as things evolve, and it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing.
00:27:31.560So if there's been one weakness of his since the beginning of his mandate, it's that. He doesn't have the reflex, he doesn't quite get it, but despite that Canadians are still on side.
00:27:44.000So this could change, though, if Canada does get involved, if Canada does send some warships in the zone, and they are suddenly under fire from Iran, who will not hesitate to attack other countries, have been proven since the beginning of this war.
00:28:00.660And thereby creating opportunity for a guy named Avi Lewis.
00:30:39.840And we're back. We're back with our friend Karima.
00:30:50.400And Karima, as always, has her watchful eye casting over the protest circuit
00:30:57.800and people exercising their democratic rights and stuff that's happening online, all of that.
00:31:05.000And Kareem, the first thing I wanted to ask you is, do you feel, as I do, that things have gotten measurably worse and angrier since the start of the war in Iran?
00:31:18.620I mean, it's a bit early to tell, right, what's the actual impact of this going to be.
00:31:26.540But as far as some of the rhetoric and, you know, the choice to bring effigies onto the street and harm those, and some of the threats that are being reported on, including threats against former Canadian politicians,
00:31:48.480All of that, you know, coupled with what we can infer are hate-motivated attacks against synagogues and places of worship and places of business.
00:32:03.820And, you know, so there is definitely, yes, a measurable change in the intensity, I think, of hate.
00:32:15.140explain to us if you can and forgive me for a dumb question but you know they've been persistent
00:32:23.760on anti-israel and in some cases anti-semitic themes for decades it's nothing new it didn't
00:32:30.780start happening on october 7th 2023 so it's just it's just ramped up in the opinion of guys like
00:32:36.740me um and you know they've got a case they think that they can make and obviously they've persuaded
00:32:42.940a lot of people, that Israel is this fascistic, white supremacist, colonialist state.
00:33:16.200It looks like they're supporting the Ayatollahs.
00:33:19.600Yeah, so if we are talking about the specific subset of protesters who consider themselves progressive,
00:33:27.600yet appear to be aligning with the Islamic regime, there are a few things.
00:33:34.080The first is this framework of oppressor, oppressed. It's kind of a binary, right? And the real world doesn't always fit neatly into those defined categories.
00:33:49.920But because you have American involvement, Israeli involvement, by default, that is the side of the oppressor.
00:34:01.200And so when you have Iran, you know, more prominently figuring into the equation, something doesn't compute.
00:34:14.560And this framework is applied nonetheless.
00:34:19.480And, you know, it becomes about what do, you know, the Iranian people want?
00:34:25.660And if, you know, that's what they want, then that's what they want.
00:34:28.560Which, of course, we are dealing with an information blackout from Iran. So we don't actually, there's a lot of unknowns. And, you know, a lot of, obviously, the Islamic Republic is incompatible with progressive conceptions of, you know, feminist theory, or that's just one example.
00:34:58.560There are a hundred examples of things that are not really reconcilable, but, you know, internal consistency of logic doesn't always seem to be a priority for these protesters.
00:35:14.400And so, you know, they are falling back on chants and slogans and, you know, this, again, this worldview in which anything opposing America and Israel, you know, surely can't be as bad as those two entities.
00:35:31.860Are they assisted by the fact that Trump and Netanyahu are leading the charge?
00:35:36.920You know, what if this had happened earlier?
00:35:42.060And with Biden as president and Shimon Peres as prime minister of Israel.
00:35:47.800What if it had involved other leadership?
00:35:52.080Would the people protesting so vehemently right now, would they have had a harder time of it?
00:35:58.360Well, it's definitely easier for them to hate Netanyahu and Trump, but I don't think a change of leadership would necessarily affect this analysis because, you know, this sort of imperialist worldview, it dates back to the origin of Israel and the whole history of the United States.
00:36:26.260So I don't know that that would be a game changer necessarily, but it's a lot easier to rally against Trump because of all of his antics and buffoonery and Netanyahu, same thing.
00:36:43.800Now we've got a lot of antics starting to happen here.
00:36:49.320So we can talk about something that's kind of happy.
00:36:51.240where you covered a um the launch of a conservative campaign in university rosedale
00:36:59.360in the center of toronto god bless him good luck to him they're going to need it
00:37:02.880um and they had their campaign office like in a storage facility so what happened there yeah
00:37:10.200yeah um that's the first campaign launch i've attended in that kind of building
00:37:15.080You know, it is a by-election. So voting day, I believe, is April 13th, and they just hit the ground running. It was explained that kind of the logistics of getting an office, like this was, it seemed a more cost-effective solution and easy sign, easy go.
00:37:38.820So I described it, I think, as a resourceful and utilitarian approach, maybe not typical, but hey, if it's going to get the job done, and who am I to say no? And they let me in. So, you know, I have to do an aesthetic for that.
00:37:56.560Tell everybody what happened to you going to an NDP event recently.
00:38:00.460I tried twice to attend a campaign event for Abby Lewis, who I have an interest in.
00:38:09.500I've, you know, kind of he's adjacent to many of the figures who I document in the protest circuit.
00:38:17.400And I didn't anticipate having any issue because I've obviously never disrupted an event.
00:38:24.300I go to observe and document, but not to kind of create problems.
00:38:31.380But at the door, I was immediately, I was blocked by Joel Harding.
00:38:48.880Who is he for people who don't live in the center of the universe?
00:38:52.000The cold notes on Joel Harden is he is a former MPP, so a member of provincial parliament in Ontario, who I encountered during a series of protests.
00:39:07.260And in one of those protests, not only did he stand and watch as I was assaulted metres from him and then hid behind a flag when the camera then fixed on him.
00:39:19.480He, at that same protest, claimed that he was punched in the face for being a supporter of trans people.
00:39:29.700And it later, his story, you know, was initially supported by his comrades, including other public officials.
00:39:39.060But when footage emerged, you know, his story changed and the story kept changing.
00:39:46.460and my footage is used to suggest that perhaps what actually happened with his injury is he hit
00:39:54.320himself in his face with his megaphone um sorry so we got that on camera and you know the scene
00:40:01.940that he described in terms of intervening to stop a woman pulling another woman's hair
00:40:08.640that happened but he wasn't there um so so he blocked you this guy blocked you yeah he took
00:40:16.320it personally why i mean the conservatives have let you in liberals have let you into events
00:40:21.800like what the hell is avi lewis's problem why wouldn't he let you in well that's what happens
00:40:27.700when you have a doorman uh whose ego can't withstand being asked questions in his capacity
00:40:33.640as an elected official right by a woman so we tried once well but no less for sure uh by a
00:40:40.880woman and a Jew um so we tried once didn't get in um gave it another shot after I reached out
00:40:48.660to the campaign didn't hear back um thought okay surely they're not going to accept my registration
00:40:54.320for an event and make me go all the way to Guelph only to turn me away again uh spoiler alert they
00:41:00.320did um but you know it's that that itself is the story right so I'm gonna document and report on
00:41:07.920Whatever comes our way, if it's the substance of a meeting, great. If we aren't able to engage with that substance, then it will be the people holding umbrellas trying to hide the building outside or the grannies who are banging on their pots and, you know, power to them, right?
00:41:28.200That's their form of expression, and we're going to capture it no matter what, but there is a striking sort of difference between that refusal to engage and almost, you know, as if our presence is a problem versus people who just are open with, you know, these are my concerns, these are my priorities, I would like to share and have this message amplified, and that's all I do, right?
00:42:01.680So I encourage everybody to seek out Karima's footage on her platforms where you can see some of the political coverage that she has done in the past few days.
00:42:12.420In the meantime, for the future days, for the week ahead, have a great one.
00:45:16.000I didn't see there being a risk. I actually thought it was smart. What's interesting about Rogan, and he is probably the most powerful, you know, voice on the right in the world after President Trump.
00:45:31.600But his position on Trump and what's happening in the United States has been evolving.
00:45:36.940And that's helpful, I think, to Polly Ev, because he wants to be able to say to Canadians and Canadian voters,
00:45:43.080hey, you know, don't make assumptions about my positions on Trump or the way in which his administration is dealing with Canada.
00:45:52.160I know some people are going to freak out, but those are people who are never going to vote for Polly Ev in the first place.
00:45:57.920Yeah. Look, the bottom line is, you know, there are millions of people and it's three hours, Kim. So it's actually a really good opportunity for whomever's sitting in that chair to show personality, get into topics and really kind of flesh them out. Things can go disastrously wrong. I don't, pardon me, I don't expect they will because Paul Yev's actually a pretty smart guy and can handle the questions. But is the risk or the reward, which is it for him?
00:46:23.380Look, unless you totally screw it up and you make yourself look like a jerk, it's fine.
00:46:30.040It's always take the meeting, always take the podcast.
00:46:33.020And if you get to be in an audience like Joe Rogan, I think it's always good.
00:46:38.640I go back to the Kamala Harris folks didn't put her on Joe Rogan, which was dumb on every level.
00:46:46.860Like absolutely tone deaf, didn't understand the Zeitgeist universe.
00:46:53.380If you want to see people, you know, in an element, watch a three-hour podcast and see how they react.
00:47:00.820I think every time you get an opportunity to do those things, it's great.
00:47:04.440There are people who say to me, why do I do talk radio?
00:47:20.080But, you know, interesting, you know, Warren, the bottom line is, you know, he's got nothing to lose at this point.
00:47:26.820The election's over. We're probably not having one anytime soon.
00:47:29.460And if he can punch through with any of his comments to that mega base and, you know, get some talking points in there about the country, that's not a bad thing.
00:47:40.200it's not and because there's been polling that's been done in the united states in recent weeks
00:47:46.480showing that particularly among republicans it's not just president trump who's been critical of
00:47:53.480us so a lot of americans increasingly now too and that's worrisome because you know one day trump
00:47:59.340will disappear and the lord will take him home or whatever we don't want a repeat of what we've
00:48:05.040experienced over the last year and a bit so um you know again i i think it was fine for polyev to
00:48:13.240do this thing it's it is kind of the big leagues and um you know the thing i feel kind of sorry for
00:48:19.780him yeah you guys are nice i'm mean um i think he's been actually doing any everything right
00:48:25.520in the past few weeks he does seem to have learned some lessons from the election but he's just not
00:48:32.220getting any credit for it like there there's an ecos out i know it's ecos but you know 22 point gap
00:48:39.380i know what are they like warren i'm trying to figure out what world are these people being
00:48:44.700asked the question in because the world there that mr carney represents of you know judge me at the
00:48:51.140the grocery store like things aren't going well here so i don't know why he's getting such high
00:48:56.720grades like frankly i don't care what pauliev does right now go do what you got to do it's
00:49:01.100Carney, who's supposed to be delivering, and he doesn't get any scrutiny.
00:49:55.980He does still have a big gap, even within his own party, and having those members cross the floor continues to be a problem on his leadership and his desire to keep people like Andrew Scheer and Chris Workington as House leader and whip, and what does that mean for their caucus going forward.
00:50:15.780So he needs to do things that make him look somewhat authentic and not mean in the background.
00:50:25.060And I think that's the challenge. No one knows who this guy really will be if he is ever prime minister.
00:50:31.400Well, I would say, you know, hopefully if the NDP don't continue down the nutty path, maybe it would help him.
00:50:37.720But I got to be honest, the direction that party is going, that's not going to help Pierre Polyev either, because they do need a strong NDP.
00:50:47.080Pierre Polyev has got his own problems.
00:50:49.640And look, I've been pretty forthright that I'm going to be supporting Rob Ashton, who is legitimately a Labour guy and legitimately can wear work boots that don't still have the price tags on them.
00:51:01.200You know, I think that, you know, Pierre's lack of authenticity or maybe because people within the conservative world know him still dogs him to this day.
00:51:11.280So I think that he has his own his own work cut out for him.
00:51:14.380All right. Let's take a quick break there.
00:51:16.240I'm a little bit early, but I can't start a new topic.
00:51:18.480And when we come back, Al-Quds Committee, they want an apology from the premier and a retraction.
00:53:04.360So I don't think he's losing any sleep about it.
00:53:07.240And him describing, you know, the Al-Quds protests,
00:53:12.080which have been taking place around the world since 1979, is hateful.
00:53:16.680That is as accurate as you can possibly get.
00:53:19.580Like, they are hateful. They were a conception of Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979, designed to demonize and isolate and delegitimize Jews in the Jewish state.
00:53:31.840So what he said was truthful, and I don't think he's got anything to worry about.
00:53:36.460I would say go for it, Kim, because I also agree with Warren, but I'd love to see the discovery. Let's go. Let's see who you are, who's paying your bills.
00:53:45.980Let's find out all we need to know about Al-Quds, which has been, as you as you hear, Kim, morphed into an anti or a pro-Palestinian thing.
00:53:53.720Like it's it is what it is, but they get away with a lot of it.
00:53:57.240It's a very manipulative thing they're doing.
00:53:59.920Yeah, I don't think the premier is going to apologize.
00:54:03.780Frankly, he doesn't apologize for the things he should apologize for.
00:54:07.220He's certainly not going to apologize for this.
00:54:09.140So I think there I think I have a better chance of being six feet tall, which if you were if listeners ever meet me in real life, I am very far away from being six feet tall.
00:54:19.900And then they have us getting an apology from the premier.
00:54:24.600You know, on this one, like the Elk Hood's committee, I think, is trying to distance itself from the avowedly anti-Semitic signage that was shown in Toronto on the weekend.
00:54:39.140And because I think there are going to be some promotion of hatred charges, criminal charges laid against those people.
00:54:46.020But I mean, there was a, you know, I've got a picture of her on my column and on my website.
00:54:54.140A woman in the Kordanoff area where all the leaders were, the Al-Quds rally, broad daylight.
00:55:00.240She was in front of the Israeli embassy.
00:55:02.280Her sign says, we will knock on the gates of heaven with the skulls of Zionists, meaning Jews.
00:55:08.360like that's that's a hateful sign that's a threatening sign and the al-Quds people need
00:55:14.540to answer for that well it would be nice if someone had to at some point but the bottom line
00:55:19.540is i mean they're they're i wouldn't say it's a turning point kim but i mean this weekend was
00:55:24.560i don't know if it's like a a worse thing but these these tropes came out that that there are
00:55:30.940the tropes that you would see in the rising of hitler right in those 1930s the caricatures of
00:55:36.860the hook-nosed Jews sitting on the money.
00:56:05.380You always wondered, how did in the 30s, how did it happen? How did it happen? How did people fall for the propaganda? How did this become a thing? And what we've seen over the last two years is clearly how it has continued to be insidious.
00:56:23.240And, you know, the hatred of people simply for being Jewish is astounding.
00:58:17.340And they've done a really good job at at isolating Israel and delegitimizing Israel, but also making lives miserable for Jews throughout Western democracy.
00:58:28.560And it's incumbent on all of us. I'm speaking now to non-Jews listening to this.
00:58:33.440It's incumbent on all of us if we value our democracy to take this seriously and fight back because they're they may be after the Jews today.
00:58:42.900They're after our democracy and the rest of us tomorrow.
00:58:45.620Oh, yeah. It only starts with the Jews, as you well know. But, you know, here it is. I mean, there was polling done a couple of days ago, released, Kim, and it shows like in the younger generations, like they are pro-Iran regime, like 20 percent of like 18 to 34.
00:59:03.180they're all on the side of the Iranian regime and it's very evident when you look at the older
00:59:08.480cohorts that if you had history and you've got parents you know that have dealt with terror wars
00:59:13.560and that there's clearly more of a knowledge but in the younger cohorts they are all in on on this
00:59:20.060and they don't know their history which really begs the question are we going to bring history
00:59:24.920back because we've completely gotten rid of it in our schools and the amount of studying the three
00:59:30.060of us would have gotten which would have been up to 500 hours in school it's barely 100 hours
00:59:34.780now for kids like one course i think in grade 10 but in that time to bring it back well i think
00:59:41.280that's i think that's the case i mean we we saw a couple of years ago that there was this
00:59:46.320trend i guess you would call it over tiktok and other platforms that the osama bin laden
00:59:53.380letter to Americans was, you know, just a revelation to a generation who should have
01:00:00.660known better, but clearly do not. And those young people are in universities and such. So
01:00:08.560how we got here, you know, we stopped having real honest conversations about real honest things,
01:00:15.080including history. And we need to get back to that.
01:00:59.420And the reason why it's not so much a failure of the educational system is because they're receiving information about the world and history through the prism of TikTok or YouTube videos or what have you.
01:01:11.660And that's where the bad guys are. They are all, by a factor of 90 to 1, they overwhelm pro-Israel and pro-democracy messaging with the bad stuff.
01:01:22.920And that's where we need to fight, because I think that's where the real battle is.
01:01:26.440Yeah, I tend to agree, although I do think some of it is at home, where parents just don't have the education to correct it or don't see the value in it.
01:01:33.980and those 3 million will turn into 6 million,
01:01:37.280will turn into 12 million, and they get older,
01:01:39.560and God knows, well, I'll be long dead, but our kids won't.
01:02:29.540get into that here we got people dying here we got people dying for want of beds and we're giving
01:02:43.200money to the foreigners no way it'd be canada first and canada only that's what i am a nationalist
01:02:50.100i just say what i think and i it's the way i think you could say it's bigotry if you want
01:02:55.980I don't think it is. I'm pro-Canadian. More so than I'm anti-Soviet or anti-Sweep. I wish more Canadians were like me.
01:03:06.200Okay, there you go. Don Cherry, of course, the outspoken hockey commentator, big part of Canadian culture for so long on Hockey Night in Canada and on TV for decades.
01:03:18.880And now we're talking about the controversy that's lighting up Canada.
01:03:23.260Should Don Cherry receive the Order of Canada?
01:03:27.740Now, we all know that Cherry has found himself in hot water many times over the years
01:03:34.760for criticizing foreign-born hockey players, as you heard partly in that clip there.
01:03:40.620Saying that women reporters should not be allowed in hockey dressing rooms.
01:03:45.360Of course, the big one is when he was fired by Sportsnet after he criticized immigrants to Canada for not wearing a poppy on Remembrance Day.
01:03:58.020Now, though, we see the campaign to give Don Cherry the Order of Canada.
01:04:04.780Ontario Premier Doug Ford recently awarded Cherry, personally awarded Cherry with the Order of Ontario.
01:04:12.160Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, she believes Cherry should receive the Order of Canada.
01:04:20.060And Federal Conservative leader Pierre Polyev, also calling for Cherry to get the Order of Canada.
01:04:29.180Not everyone in the Federal Conservative Party agrees with that, including some Conservatives in Quebec,
01:04:35.160who are not happy with Cherry's past criticism of Francophone hockey players.
01:04:40.540All right. Should Cherry get the Order of Canada? Let's discuss it with my guest now, Warren Kinsella. Warren is the CEO of the Daisy Group and author of the forthcoming book, The Hidden Hand on Anti-Semitism and Propaganda. Warren, thanks a lot for coming on today.
01:05:00.740You bet, Warren. Thanks a lot for doing it. Okay, everyone's talking about this now. Should Cherry get the Order of Canada? A long history of controversy.
01:05:09.760Where do you weigh in on this one, Warren?
01:05:11.860Is it time to give him the Order of Canada?
01:05:14.600I think it doesn't matter what I think or anybody else thinks.
01:12:45.440Great to have you here on this very busy Monday back.
01:12:52.600So the annual Al-Quds hate fest has now wrapped up for another year.
01:12:56.820And a lot of people in hindsight talking about it as it was a success.
01:13:00.680You know, no violence, just two arrests.
01:13:03.660But if that's all that's being seen, I mean, it's the fact that it happened at all that's the failure.
01:13:10.060The Ford government tried to get an injunction, which he announced Friday.
01:13:13.400It was quashed by the judge Saturday, which he said it hadn't met the threshold.
01:13:18.960Well, Sam Adewin was one of the applicants on the court order on this injunction.
01:13:24.360And they are a terrorist group in this country, which is just absurd.
01:13:28.240Right. If the protest being, you know, sought an injunction for this to stop this thing, if that was the goal, because it glorifies terror.
01:13:38.420and one of the applicants is Samadouan, an actual terror group,
01:13:42.800how on earth could the judge have ignored this, right?
01:13:46.500I mean, somehow it's been spun into some pro-Palestinian thing
01:20:29.540And if you look at the signs, they were designed to demonize and express hatred towards the Jewish people.
01:20:38.120That should not be happening in Canada in 2026 or in 1926.
01:20:44.240It should not be happening now in our country.
01:20:47.900But it is. And our country, along with Norway, Spain and Ireland, is one of the four countries that's got the worst anti-Semitism problem in the world.
01:20:57.680Measured objectively with statistics, we're one of the worst in the world.
01:21:01.680Yeah. Well, hey, when an Iranian regime cleric gets off a plane on Friday and doesn't even try to hide who they are and then shows up at the parade to walk in it and is treated like a hero.
01:21:12.420Boy, oh boy, we got problems. Appreciate it.
01:21:15.100And you could have done something about that very quickly.
01:23:29.840guys. Sorry. I'm a Luddite. That's okay. Welcome. Welcome. We were just talking March Madness a
01:23:35.800little bit. Do you follow March Madness at all? I do. I used to actually have Raptor Seasons
01:23:41.180tickets too, and they got too expensive and they weren't winning. Well, the team that every
01:23:47.640Canadian should be following, although I just haven't even looked to see if they're still in
01:23:50.500it, is Long Island University because there's five Canadians on that team. And they made the
01:23:55.420tournament for the first time after, I don't think they won a game for two years. And now
01:23:59.620they, they, they clinched a 16 seed. So I think, unfortunately, Ben,
01:24:03.920they lost what was, what was be calling the ice tea bowl.
01:24:07.500I think it's the ice tea battle between long Island and Arizona.
01:24:11.100Yeah. They're up against the Wildcats. That was going to be a tough one.
01:24:13.680But anyway, listen, they can't, you can't take it away from them.
01:24:16.620They made the tournament. Let's talk about Pierre Poliev.
01:24:20.100I saw Warren that you had some positive things to say about his,
01:24:23.500his appearance. I think, I think a sober minded people who aren't clouded by
01:24:28.780their annoyance of him or hatred of him or or whatever it is can look at that and say yeah
01:24:35.100job well done yeah i mean a few things number one it could have gone wrong in all kinds of different
01:24:42.280ways um you know that's one of the reasons why rogan's got the most popular broadcast in the
01:24:47.660world you know just ahead of ben moroni is um you know it's unpredictable yeah what can happen
01:24:55.040there and so it could have gone sideways and it didn't he uh did really well secondly um you know
01:25:03.440he one of the things drives me crazy i don't know about you guys is when politicians go abroad
01:25:09.920whether they're liberals tories new democrats and crap on the country and crap on their opponents
01:25:16.240and it just to me it feels kind of un-canadian and not only did he not do that he talked about
01:25:22.880how he's in touch with the prime minister by text and i think that was that was news actually i
01:25:27.520surprised a lot of people and the third and the final thing um he's doing what guys like me said
01:25:33.120he should do yeah which is yes oppose be the leader of the opposition but be professional
01:25:38.640be reasonable you know don't be trumpy and that's what he's been doing and the only thing i feel
01:25:45.520sorry for the guy because he's not getting credit for it in the polls but this outing it was a good
01:25:49.760good one for him yeah and and chris you know a lot of people said you know he was road testing
01:25:54.000a new tone he was trying out some things it seemed to me that he was very comfortable in this uh
01:26:00.900wearing wearing this new coat right like that whatever he was road testing before it seems to
01:26:06.120have stuck because of over two and a half hours it didn't break it wasn't an act it did seem like
01:26:12.420there was something different there was a shift that has taken hold in him and and i and the other
01:26:17.600thing I'll say to you, Chris, and I'll hand it over to you, is it felt like when he said he's
01:26:23.840supporting the prime minister, it felt like in that moment, that's exactly what he was doing.
01:26:28.060So the prime minister is the tip of the sword and he's out there talking to the powers that be in
01:26:32.760Washington. And meanwhile, he's doing an admirable job promoting the country, selling the idea of
01:26:39.680free trade, selling the idea of getting rid of tariffs and doing so at a mass market level.
01:26:45.540yeah I think you're spot on Ben I think you know there was there was a reason in the last election
01:26:51.800I think there were so many that were kind of calling on Pierre to to do this show because I
01:26:56.080think it's just so natural for him like to anybody the idea of Pierre talking for two and a half
01:27:00.620hours and his ability to be a storyteller I don't think should surprise anybody I think there's no
01:27:05.120question to me it was it was clear that he I don't want to say road testing a new tone it just it
01:27:11.560felt like he had learned a lesson yeah yeah you know I'm not sure he would have taken that same
01:27:15.820tone right had he done this a year ago I agree had he you know had he gone on the Rogan podcast
01:27:20.780when there was a lot of people saying you know when Rogan I believe first put out the the request
01:27:24.680for him to come on I don't know if that would have been the same tone a year ago and so I think that
01:27:29.600does show that you know to many of his critics and there's a lot of people out there saying he
01:27:33.580hasn't learned his lesson I I think you watch that for two and a half three hours um you know
01:27:38.760he's deserving of all the positive uh you know praise he's getting for that interview uh because
01:27:44.900i it is so easy to have gone down there and sat with joe rogan and criticized every aspect of
01:27:51.560the canadian government and canadian politics and how he was treated or the media this and the media
01:27:56.320and he just didn't do that yeah and and and warren you know i contend that if this new newer
01:28:04.240brighter, shinier version of Pierre does charm people who said they would never vote for him.
01:28:11.100It's going to take at least a year. And the way I'm seeing is like, first of all, I'll never
01:28:15.120predict anything in politics again after the past couple of years we went through. It'll never
01:28:18.680happen. But I can see a scenario where our prime minister gets his finally gets us a trade deal.
01:28:27.240Perhaps the tariffs come down and then and then the big bad specter of Donald Trump is gone.
01:28:32.440Right. And then it's all about. Yes. Then it's all about the performance of the economy, which, as of right now, is not not any better than it was a year ago, which is fine.
01:28:41.520It's going to take some time. I'm willing to concede him that. But if he gets his deal and he will get the credit for it as he deserves.
01:28:46.860And I think Pierre would would agree with that. Then what then then then what's the reason for the economy if it's not if it hasn't improved?
01:28:55.620And if that takes a year, well, then I think the dynamics could change. I'm not saying they will.
01:29:02.440Well, yeah. I mean, Polyev's got age on his time. He's younger than Carney. And like you say,
01:29:08.720there's a lot of expectations for Carney. Carney is massively ahead in the polls at the moment.
01:29:14.320He is at the present one of the most popular prime ministers in recent history. But, you know,
01:29:22.240Pierre Polyev was that far ahead himself, ahead of Justin Trudeau. So, you know, things can change
01:29:28.680on a turn on a dime in canadian politics these days so i think you're absolutely right you know
01:29:33.760all of the commentators that i've seen including the ones been super critical of them said if if
01:29:38.900this been the pierre polyev we saw during the election he would have won i'm not sure that's
01:29:44.680the case i think donald trump is his biggest enemy not himself but you know this was uh he's doing
01:29:51.060what he was supposed to do he was supposed to learn the lessons of the election now i think he
01:29:55.500Yes. And Chris, you know, I was reminded when I saw that poll that said if an election were held
01:30:00.540today, the liberals would win 200 plus seats. And it took me right back to Paul Martin, who when
01:30:06.560he when he assumed control of the party after your boss, Warren, I looked at my dad, I said,
01:30:11.880dad, they're saying he's going to win more seats than you did. They're saying he's got a super
01:30:15.880majority. And I don't think I'd ever heard that expression before. Super majority. And my dad
01:30:19.640said, well, that's entirely possible. And then he said two things, one of which is applicable,
01:30:23.760could be applicable here he said one um just because you were a great number two doesn't
01:30:27.960mean you're a good number one and and two he said stranger things have happened and somebody not
01:30:32.720living up to expectation and and i that's that that's sage words from uh mbm whose birthday by
01:30:38.900the way is today and uh and yeah i'm i'm i'm curious i'm that i think i think pierre is playing
01:30:46.320the long game in the hopes that the simple passage of time and and this new it's new to some
01:30:53.420but this new version of him will soften people's opinion on him who've said they'll never vote for
01:30:59.680him because they don't like him. I think you're probably spot on, Ben. I think, you know, Warren
01:31:05.580certainly touched on something here that, you know, the challenge and the opportunity for
01:31:11.320Pierre Polyev is how long does Trump stay in office? Obviously, we've got the fixed election
01:31:16.260when he should leave. You know, it seems like he's toned down the rhetoric that he's going to
01:31:19.820seek a third term but I but I think there's something to be said about there's all the
01:31:24.240control that's still in in Prime Minister Carney's hands and I think that's the real challenge that
01:31:29.000Pierre is going to have is I agree if we're in a world where three years from now we're heading to
01:31:33.980the next fixed election because Mark Carney secured a majority and he seeks out the full term
01:31:38.780then I think there's a good chance that Canadians you know Trump will be out of office for a year
01:31:43.240and it will really finally be a comparison between Mark Carney and Pierre Polyev I think if I'm
01:31:48.240poliev and the conservative camp the thing that scares me the most is does mark carney opportunistically
01:31:54.340try to pull the plug again sometime between now and trump's leave from office yeah so that they
01:32:00.140can play the same boogeyman card that they were able to do so successfully in the last election
01:32:04.240yes that's the case i'm not sure to to warren's point it's it's not pierre that's his own enemy
01:32:09.840it's it's trump and that's you know that's where i thought this was a great first start i think the
01:32:13.820line about cutting the stuff out was a great message change, but that's the real challenge
01:32:18.520ahead of him. All right. Well, we are going to pick this up after the break. I've got a couple
01:32:22.440more things I want to talk about with Pierre, but then there's a story about how the Prime
01:32:28.100Minister's residence is not secured. A shocker that we punted the ball, and yet again, we're
01:32:33.620not taking these things seriously. I have a solution that I think we can bring to bear on
01:32:37.880this problem immediately, and it won't cost anything with the exception of a few U-Haul
01:32:42.920trucks. So that's coming up next on the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you so much to Warren and
01:32:46.660Chris for sticking around. Guys, I think one of the most silly and cheap aspects of the Canadian
01:32:57.660psyche is how we nickel and dime how we treat our prime minister. I don't care if you're liberal.
01:33:03.860I don't care if you're I don't care what political you be NDP. I want you having a 21 gun salute
01:33:08.460wherever you go. I want the world to know that I respect my prime minister. And yet we saw 24 Sussex
01:33:14.120fall into disrepair so much that Prime Minister Trudeau never even slept there. He moved into
01:33:19.720Rideau Cottage across the street, which is a lovely house, but it's in the name. It's a cottage.
01:33:25.360And he never, never moved back in because we have done nothing on the 24 Sussex file in 10 years.
01:33:32.900Meanwhile, the RCMP have come out with a report that says it is inadequate from a security
01:33:37.020perspective. 21st century security for a prime minister is no joke. And I have a solution. Would
01:33:43.620you like to hear my solution? Yes. All right. So let me ask you both a question. Between the
01:33:50.440prime minister and the governor general, who presents more of a security challenge for the
01:33:54.340ERCMP? Prime minister. Prime minister. Okay. So why does the governor general have 70 hectares of
01:34:03.400property or 32 acres or whatever it is, a gated garden around a massive house that is 102,000
01:34:11.880square feet. And you'd say, well, that's where the governor general lives. They have to stay there.
01:34:16.320Well, what would you be surprised if I told you that the governor general had a second residence?
01:34:21.980I'm not. I've been to it. Yes, you have. Are you saying kick the governor general?
01:34:26.820No, no, not kick the governor general out. I'd say have the governor general go into
01:34:32.820her her second residence which according to the rules plays the exact same role and function
01:34:38.900as rito hall everything that she can do there she can do there in one place
01:34:44.000they're not harrington you're saying no no not harrington lake la citadel in quebec city
01:34:49.300oh that's not a bad idea move and this by the way this would be temporary you move you move
01:34:55.680our guy you move the pm into the place where he could he could welcome the world right i know it's
01:35:00.620I know it's a fixer-upper, but it plays visually, it plays impressive, right?