kinsellacast - March 29, 2026


KINSELLACAST 407: Winners and losers - Lewis et al. with Belanger, Sa'd, Lilley, plus Joyce Manor, Ain't, Mould, Barns Courtney


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53 minutes

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6,786

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225

Misogynist Sentences

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Hate Speech Sentences

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It's a holy week in Canada, and there's a lot to talk about, including the election of a new Prime Minister, the ban on Jews attending mass in the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, and the dumbest thing the Catholic Church has ever done.

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00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast
00:00:06.720 Starring Warren Kinsella
00:00:30.000 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to KinsellaCast.
00:00:33.740 It's a KinsellaCast in a holy week, a holy time of the year.
00:00:38.360 Ramadan has just ended.
00:00:40.280 Today is Palm Sunday, and I just got back from Mass where I prayed for all of you.
00:00:46.540 Passover starts on Wednesday. Easter is next weekend.
00:00:51.060 So it is a holy time of year, and holy smokes, there is a lot going on.
00:00:54.560 about which I talk with Carl Boulanger and Brian Lindley and Kareem Assad.
00:01:02.560 Carl leads things off because of the win, decisive win.
00:01:06.700 First ballot, nearly 60% of the vote that Avi Lewis secured at his party's convention in Winnipeg.
00:01:15.180 And it was a huge win.
00:01:16.280 And congratulations to Avi, who I've known for years.
00:01:20.780 but Carl has some strong words about the result and what they need to do so you're going to be
00:01:28.460 interested to hear about that Brian's got some thoughts as well and Kareem and I kind of laugh
00:01:32.840 about some of the goofy moments from the NDP convention in Winnipeg and then I've got some
00:01:37.740 great music from Britain I've got Mold I've got Ain't I've got Courtney Barnes Courtney Barnes
00:01:42.540 I've played before his great pop song 99 I've also got a country tune to kind of lead us out
00:01:49.200 by a woman named Brennan Wadell.
00:01:51.480 I think that's how you pronounce her name.
00:01:53.680 But I've also got Joyce Manor.
00:01:55.320 Joyce Manor, I was supposed to see Joyce Manor this week, finally.
00:01:59.640 They haven't played in Toronto in 20 years.
00:02:03.080 And they were going to have a military gun with them,
00:02:06.460 Teen Mortgage, another band I loved.
00:02:08.760 And they had to cancel because the lead singer of Joyce Manor
00:02:14.000 ripped his vocal cords.
00:02:16.560 Poor guy.
00:02:17.260 Like, I can't even say it.
00:02:18.300 It's just like, oh, it's awful.
00:02:20.560 So that's been pushed back a month, so I'll be back for that.
00:02:23.280 So I'm looking forward to it, and I'm going to play you some of their tunes.
00:02:26.740 Before I went to Mass, I was really pissed off.
00:02:30.640 And not because I had people calling me a vicious anti-Semite,
00:02:35.540 but they were, in fact, doing that.
00:02:37.300 I was getting called all kinds of names that I was anti-Semitic, so I blocked them.
00:02:43.180 it's because of what happened today in jerusalem at the church of the holy sepulcher it's a place
00:02:51.700 where i've actually placed my parents ashes it is the holiest place in christianity
00:02:58.780 really it's a little church nothing fancy at the center of jerusalem and
00:03:07.420 And this morning, the Latin patriarch in Jerusalem, so the leader of the Catholic Church in Jerusalem, and one other guy were prevented from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulchre by Israeli police, apparently for their own safety.
00:03:29.160 So goes the claim. This is the first time this has happened in centuries on a day that celebrates and remembers Christ's return to Jerusalem. So it's a rich irony there. There was just two of them. The Israelis have properly set a limit. Gatherings can't be more than 50 people. This was two.
00:03:53.540 and like you know some of my jewish friends don't understand a day like today for catholics
00:04:00.440 is not uh voluntary it's not like for the priest in particular it's mandatory
00:04:07.640 that you have the mass and you know this you see this at wartime
00:04:13.660 priests getting into trenches in vietnam or world war ii or you know bombs going off and
00:04:21.340 stained glass shattering windows and the priest keeps going i remember that from when i was a kid
00:04:27.020 in dallas and at church with my mom my brothers and a hurricane hit suddenly and these huge
00:04:35.320 hailstones were smashing these beautiful stained glass windows and all the glass was falling down
00:04:41.940 into the church and and of course my mom gathered us up to get us out of there but i'll never forget
00:04:48.120 the priest standing there and continuing to do the sacraments so today is not optional
00:04:58.920 today is mandatory those two priests had to be there for centuries they have gone to that place
00:05:05.720 to perform mass on this day during wartime this is this is not new this has happened before
00:05:13.560 and they were stopped and and when i was critical of this the stupidity of this
00:05:19.620 i was attacked for being an anti-semite me that was that was something else and
00:05:27.740 and of course all these idiots who called me that i encouraged them to check out what the
00:05:34.300 government of israel is saying which is an apology saying it was wrong and it shouldn't happen so if
00:05:39.860 you're defending what took place, I don't care if you're Jewish or not, you're an idiot. Because it
00:05:45.420 was a big mistake. It was a grave error, as the Catholic Church has now said. Huckabee, the
00:05:52.160 ambassador, the American ambassador to Israel, the biggest fan of Israel, I think there's ever been,
00:05:58.460 called it a grave overreach. So if you're defending it, you're at a step with your government,
00:06:04.200 You're at a step with common sense. Anyway, this week, there have been other religious-type victories, one I'm so happy about. I've been proud to be an advisor on government relations and public relations to the Jewish National Fund.
00:06:25.140 um they've been around for more than a century they help people with health care they plant
00:06:31.680 trees in Israel they build parks they're good people and a couple years ago CRA without notice
00:06:39.380 revoked their charity status in the middle of court proceedings and then has refused to talk
00:06:45.760 to their representatives since then and as we've discovered hidden crucial documents from the JNF
00:06:54.560 Anyway, this week, the Federal Court of Appeal said, sorry, CRA, you're in trouble.
00:07:00.440 They said to, and this is a surprise to me, to Minister Jean-Philippe Champagne, has not complied with earlier court orders.
00:07:09.340 And Justice David Stratus said that Champagne and his officials needed to turn over these documents.
00:07:15.360 And if they don't, quote, and are later found to have participated in a cover-up, life-changing consequences, civil and criminal will follow, end quote.
00:07:23.800 that's strong language from a judge another victory again for the jewish community
00:07:31.060 i was so happy to see in november 2025 toronto city hall raised the palestinian flag
00:07:39.920 which was a problem for a lot of us because of course palestine is a territory governed by a
00:07:46.780 designated terror group. And in May of 2024, the year before, Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow
00:07:53.020 refused to attend the raising of Israel's flag, calling it divisive. And taken together,
00:08:00.400 those two events strongly suggested to Toronto's 200,000 Jews that they're not welcome in their
00:08:05.640 own city. Anyway, this week, positive change. Majority of Toronto's city councillors voted
00:08:10.340 to change their flag-raising policy. Now just the flags of Canada, Ontario, and Toronto will fly.
00:08:16.780 at City Hall, along with a few that don't belong to countries. So no more Hamas-adjacent flag
00:08:24.420 waving. The third and final thing that I thought was wonderful, McGill. My dad went to McGill. He
00:08:29.160 was so proud of it. He taught there. My son, one of my sons, went to McGill and was proud to go
00:08:35.800 there. They're considered, you know, Canada's oldest and most venerable university, but they've
00:08:42.700 unfortunately been the epicenter of post-secondary Jew hatred for a few years now, probably more than
00:08:49.660 any other university. And for months, McGill permitted an anti-Semitic encampment to grow on
00:08:56.580 its property and seemed completely indifferent to the growth of anti-Semitism encampments.
00:09:02.380 Anyway, this week there was some hope. The idiots in McGill's Law Student Association voted to
00:09:08.480 boycott Israeli academics. Not arms, not arms sales, but human beings. So the university's
00:09:16.420 president swiftly responded. President, deep signing, called the effects of the law students
00:09:21.540 referendum discriminatory and, quote, anti-Semitic, end quote, and said that if the students didn't
00:09:27.900 reverse course, McGill would sever all ties to the Law Students Association. It would stop them
00:09:35.040 for distributing their literature on campus and it would kick them off campus so that's leadership
00:09:40.800 anyway lots of religion this week to talk about some politics too but it is a holy time of year
00:09:49.760 i hope it is a thoughtful and peaceful and rewarding time for all of you
00:09:54.320 and your families and welcome to the kinsella cast
00:10:05.040 Transcription by CastingWords
00:10:35.040 Take that we'll end up
00:10:37.740 I'm on a tape with nothing to see
00:10:41.460 We could have what we wanted
00:10:46.500 Just like we wanted
00:10:48.860 In our randomness
00:10:50.820 My next stop is the chemist
00:10:55.860 The garden of truest
00:10:58.180 To make you commit
00:10:59.760 Now ask me about the hostage
00:11:04.440 But I bet there's something I won't admit
00:11:08.900 Meet me at the unobtainable end
00:11:13.500 I'm on a date with nothing to stay
00:11:18.040 We could have what we wanted
00:11:23.180 Just let me want it
00:11:25.520 And I'll write the lead
00:11:34.440 Transcription by CastingWords
00:12:04.440 we're back and we're back with my friend carl belanger and carl knows i just got back from
00:12:13.420 mass where i prayed for the soul of the ndp okay i didn't do that but um maybe i could have carl
00:12:21.700 tweeted right after the results of the leadership vote which avi lewis has predicted as carl
00:12:27.800 predicted, won handily, here's what Carl said, the road ahead is rocky for the NDP, end quote.
00:12:36.360 So Carl, just so everybody knows, is one of the people, one of the key people who helped lead the
00:12:43.440 new Democratic Party of Canada to its best showing in its history under Jack Layton. So he knows a
00:12:50.280 little bit about the NDP and he knows a little bit about winning. And so why is a rocky road ahead
00:12:56.320 for these guys? Well, this was a reference to Albert, our NDP, who put out a statement right
00:13:04.200 away after Avi Lewis' victory that basically said, we want nothing to do with the federal NDP. We
00:13:12.400 won't think about it. We won't care what they say. That's the reason why we made the membership
00:13:17.520 optional uh and and uh and i think i mean i'm trying to remember but i cannot remember for the
00:13:25.840 life of me any provincial party leader rejects or vehemently a decision made by the federal party
00:13:34.760 uh let alone decision made about leadership at the federal party so so you know it's it's it's
00:13:41.360 an old saying in politics of a leadership race that the first thing you have to do is unite the
00:13:45.480 party. But that task is going to be enormous and complicated for Avi Lewis with Alberta,
00:13:53.120 but also with Saskatchewan, where Karl Beck put out a statement about not wanting to meet with
00:13:58.860 him, rejecting a meeting request from Avi Lewis. And we also know that there are tensions with
00:14:04.180 Kimir Eby in British Columbia. So it's going to be difficult to unite that party when you have
00:14:10.540 these kinds of positions from the get-go after his win.
00:14:13.920 Now, why would they do that?
00:14:15.520 So I saw what they said, and like you say,
00:14:21.960 this is something that doesn't happen very often.
00:14:25.260 What is it about Avi Lewis and his past that gives them pause?
00:14:30.460 Well, the game is about oil and gas and natural resources.
00:14:37.940 It is seen by Alberta New Democrats and by Saskatchewan New Democrats and others across the country as necessary to use, to exploit, to build the economy.
00:14:51.500 And Avi Lewis has a very strong position against further exploitation and further development of that industry.
00:14:58.680 So they're completely at odds over that.
00:15:02.280 In fact, words like radical or extremist are being thrown around about Avi Lewis, and that's coming from inside the party.
00:15:12.080 So you can just imagine how liberals and conservatives will start framing Avi Lewis as that, as radical, as extremist.
00:15:20.680 Now, it doesn't mean that they're going to win that framing war, but certainly, you know, it's getting the help from some provincial leaders today.
00:15:30.120 And there's a big difference between being radical and extremist
00:15:33.860 and being ambitious for your country,
00:15:36.560 which is what the Lewis camp will try to portray him as.
00:15:40.000 Plain devil's advocate.
00:15:41.440 Because as you know, I've known Avi for many years.
00:15:44.920 I used to be a regular on his show on CBC,
00:15:48.280 and I always found him to be really smart, engaging, easygoing.
00:15:53.320 Didn't find him to be doctrinaire.
00:15:55.160 So I've been surprised by the guy I've seen in the leadership campaign.
00:15:58.700 some of the things he said wasn't what i remember was he just saying those things to break out from
00:16:04.700 the pack or are these positions that he's now adopted because he really seems to be outside
00:16:10.540 of the mainstream you know where wab canoe or eb or some of the roy romano maybe jack layton where
00:16:16.780 these previous winning new democrats have been well it was interesting because wab canoe was
00:16:23.140 there on stage after Avi Lewis' win. So Premier Canu is on side with Lewis. He's not distancing
00:16:29.560 himself the way other provincial leaders are. But what's interesting is, I mean, you see this
00:16:34.480 in the Conservative Party as well. The members in the NEP and the members in the Conservatives
00:16:40.360 more and more, you know, they want to be right. They want to be right about the issues. They
00:16:46.900 don't care about winning necessarily. And so the first task for any leadership candidate is to win
00:16:53.020 that party. And so he did that. So mission accomplished. But that's why sometimes there's
00:16:58.920 a disconnect between what was said during the leadership campaign and what happens next.
00:17:04.640 And we've seen it in conservatives with Aaron O'Toole, for instance. I think he's the perfect
00:17:09.780 example. And now, so you can set yourself up for disappointing people if you don't deliver on the
00:17:16.360 things you said during your leadership campaign. And it creates tension within the party. So it's
00:17:22.800 It's going to be difficult for him to do all the things he said he wanted to do
00:17:27.520 and to campaign on those and to make sure that Canadians get on board with those ideas
00:17:31.720 and to seize the moment that is there because there is a vacuum on the left right now.
00:17:38.900 The Carnet liberals are further to the right.
00:17:43.060 They are certainly not the Trudeau woke government, you know.
00:17:47.880 So there's an opening.
00:17:49.100 But at the same time, by going hard left or being seen as going hard left, well, you are allowing the Liberals to perhaps keep some of that left flank intact and not exploit that because you're seen as too much on the margin.
00:18:05.260 You have advised, as I said at the top, the most successful NDP leader in its history, and you're regarded as one of the smartest political strategists in the country.
00:18:18.780 What, if I can put your feet to the fire, three things,
00:18:21.600 what are three things that you would recommend that Avi Lewis
00:18:26.280 and the team around him need to do in the next few weeks
00:18:31.060 in order to be more successful and get the NDP back to party status
00:18:37.640 in the House of Commons and to get Canadians on side?
00:18:40.420 What are three things he needs to do?
00:18:42.700 The biggest enemy of the NDP is invisibility.
00:18:46.460 So Lewis needs to be seen and heard.
00:18:49.680 And, you know, keep in mind that elections are not won on policy,
00:18:53.400 but they're won on connection you make with people.
00:18:55.920 They're won on emotions.
00:18:57.140 They're won on that relationship you create with the electorate.
00:19:00.140 And so you need to be part of the political discourse.
00:19:03.680 You need to be part of the political narrative.
00:19:05.280 You need to insert yourself and punch above your weight.
00:19:09.060 You need to be in the media.
00:19:10.520 You need to be part of the story.
00:19:12.000 Because if you're not, you'll just see the polarization that we saw last time around continue.
00:19:17.740 You can't afford that if you're a Democrat.
00:19:19.440 So that's the first thing.
00:19:20.640 Second thing, you have Alexandre Boulogne, who has one foot out the door.
00:19:25.640 Can you convince him to stay?
00:19:27.100 Can you convince Boulogne to keep that NDP beachhead in Quebec?
00:19:31.660 And if you're not able to convince him to stay, can you find a star candidate to make sure you keep that seat?
00:19:37.160 Because let's face it, the orange wave, the dreams of the new orange wave are really far away.
00:19:42.680 But if you lose that seat, if you lose that beachhead, it's going to be nearly impossible to get back in Quebec.
00:19:49.020 So you need to preserve that seat at all costs.
00:19:52.080 Preferably, you keep Bullriss. He has a proven track record. He's been winning that seat.
00:19:56.080 But if he is intent to move to the provincial scene, materialize, you need to find a star candidate to keep that seat.
00:20:02.300 You cannot afford to lose it if you want to be taken seriously as a national party.
00:20:06.260 And the third thing, where are you going to run, Avi?
00:20:10.360 Where's your seat?
00:20:11.440 You need to figure that out.
00:20:12.900 There will be some by-elections coming up.
00:20:15.640 You can't run in there.
00:20:16.680 It's too late.
00:20:17.500 But there will be more by-elections, possibly in Beaches, East York,
00:20:21.460 where Erskine-Smith is apparently thinking about jumping to the provincial scene.
00:20:27.140 There will be other seats open.
00:20:28.860 So you need to figure that out because one of the things that I think irked
00:20:31.980 Jagmeet Singh's leadership at the beginning is his station to find a seat to run for and to win
00:20:39.120 and to be in-house. Because even though you don't have party status, even though you don't have the
00:20:43.000 balance of power or you will lose it in a couple of weeks, if you want to play the game, you need
00:20:47.900 to be on the ice. And the ice, in this case, is the House of Commons. Do you think he could win
00:20:52.540 in Beaches, East York? I think he would have a shot at it for sure, but it's not the done deal.
00:20:58.420 and that's a gamble, right?
00:20:59.520 Because, of course, you run, you lose, then what?
00:21:02.780 Because the speech, he was talking about winning
00:21:04.720 and the importance of winning, and we must win.
00:21:06.840 But so far, when he ran for Parliament, he's lost twice.
00:21:10.240 So if he does run, he needs to win.
00:21:13.360 It's a must win.
00:21:14.640 Absolutely.
00:21:15.580 Well, you're a guy who knows a lot about winning.
00:21:18.780 You know a lot about the NDP.
00:21:20.280 So grateful for your insight this morning, brother.
00:21:23.180 And I guess you and I will be talking about this in the weeks to come.
00:21:27.700 Absolutely.
00:21:28.140 Take care, Warren.
00:21:29.340 Thanks, my friend.
00:21:58.140 Tasted by the pain
00:22:02.100 When the wind around the weight of a smile
00:22:07.000 Heads and sun they fade over the grin
00:22:11.760 Weakness
00:22:13.580 Brought the point in hell
00:22:16.500 And there was some hell
00:22:18.580 And there was some hell
00:22:22.140 Brought the point in hell
00:22:25.060 But there was a man
00:22:29.160 Took my heart down
00:22:52.840 So I can't count the differences
00:22:55.960 It's different and there's aren't you shit
00:23:01.160 What's the point in hell?
00:23:04.040 That's the point in hell
00:23:06.040 That's the point in hell
00:23:10.040 What's the point in hell?
00:23:13.040 That's the point in hell
00:23:22.840 and we're back
00:23:52.060 And we're back with my friend Karima Saad.
00:23:54.260 And Karima and I have been watching at a distance with some demusement,
00:23:58.160 with some astonishment, the proceedings at the NDP leadership convention in Winnipeg.
00:24:06.420 And we were talking earlier about some of the things we've seen that made us laugh.
00:24:10.920 But you saw something that actually kind of pissed you off.
00:24:14.980 Why don't you tell us about it?
00:24:15.980 So just to quickly summarize, Alex Zoltan has been posting these clips from the convention, and one that is going viral is a brown she-they who has a point to make about Iran, and they deliver it very impassionately,
00:24:40.640 But then inadvertently call the chair, Madam Chair, which was an act of misgendering. And so the response to sort of derailed everything that person was saying about Iran and just made it about their own identity.
00:25:00.440 and you know real oppressed people real minorities do not have the luxury
00:25:07.760 feeling offended at every slight and and this just to me it really illustrated the performative
00:25:15.020 nature of victimhood and how that appears to be sort of what these individuals are congregating
00:25:23.340 around and you can't function let alone govern uh if that is if you are that weak
00:25:30.940 do you think then well let's segue then into the the broader implications of that you know they
00:25:37.820 talk about forming government the ccf and then the ndp and the new democratic party as i like to joke
00:25:45.540 is neither new nor democratic but um you know they they have not formed a government nationally
00:25:50.840 they have provincially does not this point you're making about this uh victimhood this kind of uh
00:26:01.000 fetishing fetishization of victimhood is that one of the things that prevents them from forming
00:26:06.920 government well as much as they obviously have informed government um but they did hold the
00:26:14.040 balance of power um right so you know it it's we can point and laugh um but actually i yes that's
00:26:24.440 not the present case um but if they collapse and then you know we're really left with the two
00:26:32.080 parties um which you know two parties um but yeah it it's almost become part of of like what i see
00:26:43.760 Canadian culture, this victimhood sense, and, you know, it's not productive, it's not productive,
00:26:53.920 and it's just a really embarrassing point.
00:26:57.320 You are a person of colour, you're a person of colour, you belong to, or belong to, maybe
00:27:02.820 it's not true anymore, a minority in the broader Canadian context.
00:27:07.080 I pick a lot of these equity boxes right so I speak from that position in a personal sense
00:27:15.900 but also just as someone observing you know what does it take to actually progress it's not to
00:27:22.920 dwell and you know there seems to be a lot of dwelling and just irrelevant talk in a room of
00:27:33.460 of people who purport to care about material issues and, you know, really concrete things.
00:27:41.560 So I just, I, yes, have been watching this in astonishment, but it also, yeah, it reflects
00:27:48.980 my understanding of how even people, some groups I engage with in the protest circuit,
00:27:54.320 how they interact with the world.
00:27:57.640 Well, let's talk about that.
00:27:59.220 Another excellent segue.
00:28:00.680 you were covering this week the no kings protests the no kings protests have been going on for
00:28:06.940 months now in the united states they happened this weekend in multiple cities across the united
00:28:12.420 states saw a huge one in boise idaho i don't know if anybody's been to idaho but i have the pen
00:28:18.700 handle and uh that's a place you don't expect to see a anti-trump rally but when you saw that
00:28:25.420 My reaction was, well, guys, you're not in the United States.
00:28:29.040 You're in Canada.
00:28:31.200 Like, do people recognize that disconnect?
00:28:35.060 Or is there a disconnect?
00:28:36.180 Am I wrong?
00:28:37.720 In fairness, one of the organizers of this event was Democrats Abroad.
00:28:42.720 And so a number of the speakers are American transplants who are either citizens here or reside here but have connections to the U.S.
00:28:53.120 So that was kind of, not every participant, obviously, but some of the speakers.
00:28:59.160 And so that was addressed.
00:29:02.860 Yeah, I don't know what the call to action was.
00:29:08.880 You know, that kind of was missing from the demonstration overall.
00:29:16.480 But it was a peaceful affair.
00:29:18.260 They stayed to the sidewalk.
00:29:19.380 They did sort of a loop around the U.S. consulate area.
00:29:28.220 And, yeah, it was fundamentally an anti-Trump rally.
00:29:33.400 That's what they have coalesced around.
00:29:36.140 But there have been other rallies that you've covered, of course, this week.
00:29:39.640 And I always encourage everybody to check out your stuff because there's no journalist in Canada doing as much to cover this phenomenon.
00:29:48.860 in our democracy as much as you are but there was another one coming down main streets in
00:29:54.680 toronto this weekend behind the banner globalize the intifada we should talk about what you think
00:30:00.000 that means but there was also a chant that went up in arabic that you translated for people
00:30:05.680 uh and it it it didn't sound very inclusive or welcoming to me do you recall what was said
00:30:11.840 just roughly yeah um so this chant has been a feature of protests from the very beginning of
00:30:22.320 documenting uh this movement um and and uh it it's sort of it's from the river to the sea
00:30:30.720 um but in arabic it translates to from the water to the water um an arab palestine um and you know
00:30:39.280 So it is sort of a national, and it dates back to, I'm not sure when, but certainly not October 7.
00:30:48.940 It predates that by a long margin.
00:30:51.040 So it's sort of like an Arab nationalist phrase that the English version is Palestine will be free.
00:31:01.440 Is it inclusive? Well, no, because it's a nationalist sort of chant.
00:31:06.380 But there are protesters who have been, and who, if they are using that chant, they're likely saying it in Arabic, right? Well, they are saying it in Arabic. So they're aware of what they're saying. Does that include everyone else? No, by definition.
00:31:21.600 I mean, the reason why I ask this is in my book, in which you are featured, and the documentary we've done in which you are featured, we talk about the Hamas Charter.
00:31:33.700 Well, there's two Hamas Charters.
00:31:35.600 There's the first one, when Hamas took power, and then there's a second, kinder, gentler version.
00:31:41.440 and they try to obscure some truths but the you know the the main charter the one that's never
00:31:46.500 been renounced makes clear that it is um you know a muslim caliphate that would not be welcoming to
00:31:58.140 non-muslims that's what i was struck by in this chant that was happening in the middle of toronto
00:32:04.240 this weekend it's like jeez i wonder if these these gen z kids from u of t if they heard what
00:32:10.280 was being said, would they realize that perhaps they wouldn't be as welcoming gas as they
00:32:15.260 think?
00:32:19.580 So there is, yeah, no, there is the connection or the degree to which protesters in Canada
00:32:31.420 actually understand the political situation and in particular the parties and what they stand for
00:32:41.500 in their manifestos, there is a huge disconnect there. And it's because they are operating under
00:32:49.440 a framework that's pretty binary, oppressor oppressed, and elements of that match the
00:32:57.780 situation that they see and they interpret it through that lens and only that lens and anything
00:33:01.860 that doesn't fit um isn't really up for consideration or even discussion um so i think
00:33:09.200 you know would they would that change their stance not necessarily um but you know kind of overall
00:33:15.480 and in everyone approaching this this conflict um that binary thinking is you cannot have
00:33:24.720 a full or complex, like you can't have an understanding of the situation
00:33:28.740 if you're thinking binary, and so much of us are, and that's
00:33:32.940 across the spectrum, but particularly within that movement.
00:33:38.060 Truer words have never been spoken as we
00:33:40.620 end Ramadan, we've got Palm Sunday and the beginning of Passover,
00:33:44.720 holy time of year, and things are just a bit too fucking binary in the world
00:33:48.960 these days. Big problem, but I encourage everybody to check
00:33:53.100 Karima's stuff where she documents it, the consequences of it. My friend, thank you so
00:33:57.960 much. Have a great day and a great week. Thank you. Bye.
00:34:23.100 Talk all night, stay up by the TV light
00:34:26.540 But when your baby teeth ain't milky white
00:34:34.140 Wipe the star dust from your eyes
00:34:36.600 Said, oh come on, love will be just fine
00:34:43.920 We're gonna live just like it's 1999
00:34:46.380 In 1990
00:34:51.580 Back then we were trading cards behind the swings
00:35:11.780 Oh no, now it's money, gold and diamond rings
00:35:17.080 It's not those days are over
00:35:19.880 And we're all ghosts
00:35:22.540 We used to sleep all day, talk all night
00:35:29.140 Stay up by the TV light
00:35:31.540 But when your baby teeth ain't milky white
00:35:39.020 And white the star dust from your eyes
00:35:41.560 I said, oh, come on, love, we'll be just fine
00:35:48.880 We're gonna live just like it's 1999
00:35:51.420 In 1990
00:35:56.300 In 1999
00:36:01.400 In 1990
00:36:06.400 In 1999
00:36:11.400 Oh, oh no, where does it go?
00:36:20.400 Will we ever fill your body up with chemicals?
00:36:25.400 Oh, oh no, kaleidoscope
00:36:30.400 Well, we'll never live in bed and window
00:36:34.400 In 1990
00:36:36.400 In 1999
00:36:41.400 In 1990
00:36:46.400 In 1999
00:36:51.400 Nintendo, Atari
00:36:58.400 and we're back we're back with my friend brian nilly who i want to point out is observing all
00:37:23.200 of the provisions of the Ontario Highway Traffic Act
00:37:30.980 and using hands-free as he drives back to Toronto.
00:37:36.600 But it was essential that we get him on the line
00:37:39.040 because big news,
00:37:42.060 Abby Lewis has now been named the leader
00:37:44.800 of the new Democratic Party,
00:37:45.980 first ballot, absolutely clobbered all of his opponents.
00:37:50.400 And Brian, as I told you, I've spoken to Carl Belanger, senior advisor to Jack Layton, an icon in the New Democratic Party.
00:37:59.460 And he said, it's a bumpy road ahead.
00:38:02.400 What do you think?
00:38:04.700 Well, I was in Ottawa this morning when the news broke that Lewis had won.
00:38:09.260 And I was looking over at Parliament Hill and I thought, well, he's never going to sit in the House of Commons.
00:38:14.660 But now that I'm pondering on it, he could.
00:38:17.640 And he could do well for the New Democrats.
00:38:19.420 for the most part i've been saying and i've said to you several times you know audrey mclaughlin
00:38:25.100 um type energy like the ndp won't go anywhere but now i'm thinking okay maybe listen to his speech
00:38:33.100 a bit and he's very much a left-wing populist i know since the advent of trump a lot of people
00:38:39.900 think populism is just trumpism or just on the right uh mark carney's using populism to
00:38:47.100 keep his popularity up with the anti-americanism poking trump yeah he's going on a very populous
00:38:53.260 bend there um lewis is doing that to a degree as well he he's going further on it but also his
00:39:01.100 let's have a uh government-run uh cell phone company and a government-run internet company
00:39:07.340 and a government-run grocery store and on and on like basically uh he hasn't quite said um
00:39:14.460 um that they're going to take over the means of production but he's getting close well is that
00:39:20.520 what people want though i mean the machinery of the machinery of capitalism is oiled with
00:39:24.840 the blood of the workers i'm waiting for him to say something like that but those two things
00:39:29.560 the anti-americanism and people being pissed off at the the three big cell companies and their
00:39:35.740 internet bill that that could potentially work and the other thing i said to to carl because i
00:39:41.700 i actually know avi lewis i used to be a regular on his cbc show of course he had a show on cbc
00:39:48.320 and um he's a likable guy he was engaging he was smart he was funny self-deprecating i have not
00:39:57.280 seen that guy during the leadership race um you know i've seen this kind of uh fidel castro wannabe
00:40:04.800 like it just really surprised me do you think that it was you know remember the old nixon line
00:40:11.000 you know to get the nomination you run as far as you can to the right and then once you get it you
00:40:15.340 start running back to the center do you think that there was some of that going on with avi
00:40:19.340 that he was just kind of making up you know no no it's for real no this is the guy that wrote
00:40:24.600 the leap manifesto tell people about that it's a a document that tried to uh like the ndp is a
00:40:32.200 socialist party it's right in the constitution that they are a socialist party of course but
00:40:36.760 did there's varying degrees of that um and viewpoints of it and he really wanted to take
00:40:44.600 the party to the far left he's been advocating for that for years there's a group within the
00:40:50.520 ndb called the waffle and if you talk to carl about them you know they're a bit of a rump within
00:40:55.240 the party well he's going to engage them and energize them and that's who he's talking to
00:41:00.120 um so if the populism clicks it could work he doesn't speak french he's um run for office twice
00:41:11.720 in the vancouver area and lost both times uh not even close i think he was third in both races
00:41:20.040 uh just in third so he's got an uphill battle but if this the populism is the only part that
00:41:28.760 that can click um you know his wife is also i think she co-authored the lead manifesto
00:41:36.760 very much um on on the far left although recently being celebrated by democrats in the states
00:41:43.160 who also want to embrace full socialism so it's he's we'll know in six months but right now we
00:41:52.660 have three populist leaders um and mark carney isn't naturally a populist but he's playing to
00:41:58.840 populist vibes to on the american stuff uh we have three populist leaders leaving the
00:42:05.660 federal parties and i because i totally agree with you i think that um you know i saw what
00:42:12.320 naheed nenshi said about uh the result and that was like stay away from me you know here's a barge
00:42:18.880 poll just stay away from me mr lewis because lewis was attacking the alberta ndp during the
00:42:25.660 leadership race but but you know um does not carney who you've made mention you know carney
00:42:35.120 has moved the government of canada back to the center where it belongs where guys like me have
00:42:41.760 always wanted the liberal party to be and that's made him very popular you know there's some polling
00:42:46.500 now this week showing he's possibly the most popular prime minister in the history of polling
00:42:52.500 so he's doing well but he's created a ton of space on the left hasn't he for a guy like lewis to take
00:42:58.660 advantage of yeah i think it's more perception that he's in the center he's more centrist than
00:43:04.100 trudeau but that's not hard he would trudeau was trying to do a a friendly takeover of the ndp
00:43:09.300 um but carney's not as centrist as as he appears but there is that perception and so yeah there's
00:43:16.940 there's room on the left if lewis can mine it but it's hard i mean look carney just stole
00:43:22.820 laurie eidlow who embraced lewis days before she became a liberal mp yeah that was a big guy
00:43:28.300 i was you know out with a bunch of politicos last night a bunch of them liberals and i was saying
00:43:34.480 How big is the tent that you can have Michael Ma, you know, forget about the Chinese part and now questions about why he's pushing Beijing talking points, but big business, wealthy guy sitting in the caucus with, you know, actual centrist liberals, but left wing liberals and a new Democrat like Laurie Eidlard who said, yeah, David Lewis is the guy we need to be prime minister.
00:44:01.820 how do they all sit together that's a you know a tent so big it has no walls
00:44:07.740 the liberal party is is flexible in its principles but i mean how flexible like them
00:44:14.960 hang on five minutes yeah they'll get some new ones but i mean is it not possible that
00:44:20.440 lewis starts to navigate his party a little bit back to the center left and uh picks up some
00:44:27.340 support that way i mean you look at bernie sanders in the united states the united states
00:44:31.120 pretty conservative country and sanders has been a dominating political force for for years now
00:44:37.840 aoc as well is is there a constituency for lewis's type of politics in canada too
00:44:44.960 yeah there's a lot of people who don't know anything and think these are good ideas
00:44:49.360 look there's a whole province that still has a government-run cell phone company
00:44:54.800 uh and it's been run by alleged conservatives for since what 2007 uh saskatchewan has saskel
00:45:03.020 and they're a major player will people say yeah this is a good idea let's go back to having crown
00:45:09.160 corporations for everything um i you know sure i don't think you'll get up to 20 i don't think
00:45:16.740 you'll pull a jack layton and that becomes a problem for the conservatives who have to figure
00:45:21.880 out how they can win without a strong ndp well then that's the final question i wanted to ask
00:45:27.960 you because this is the point you've made often why is it for those who don't get the math why
00:45:34.120 is it that conservatives need the ndp to do better explain that to us uh splits the boat on the center
00:45:42.440 and progressive side and allows the conservatives to win in seats that they would otherwise come in
00:45:48.200 second now there are ways for them to win without a strong ndp but they'll have to change things uh
00:45:57.640 the part of the demise of the ndp by the way in this last federal election was the conservatives
00:46:03.800 uh under poly of stealing seats in timmons in hamilton in windsor he he copied doug ford you
00:46:12.920 know as much as they've been feuding he obviously was looking over ford's shoulder and copying his
00:46:17.800 homework because those are the types of areas that doug ford won with blue collar workers so
00:46:23.160 pierre's got to expand on that or whoever the next leader is has to expand on that
00:46:27.160 and uh find ways to if if the liberals are going to continue to be a tent so big without walls
00:46:34.840 maybe they can poach some people from the center well interesting times ahead all three parties
00:46:42.440 now have confirmed leaders that's a situation we haven't had in quite some time and so polyev has
00:46:50.160 passed his leadership review with flying colors mark carney won an election and is on the cusp
00:46:57.000 of a majority and now the ndp is overwhelmingly endorsed this former filmmaker avi lewis so i
00:47:04.120 guess we'll see what happens my friend have a safe drive keep your hands on the wheel 10 o'clock
00:47:09.320 and two o'clock position, and I'll see you tomorrow night. Sounds great. Talk later.
00:47:39.320 Tray coming down the track and it almost gave me a heart attack.
00:47:44.360 One and all the dress, a pair of bony legs.
00:47:47.540 Is it real? Can it feel when you bash it dead?
00:47:50.500 When someone talks a lot, inside the cannabis shop.
00:47:53.660 Hey, give me all the money, baby, no one gets shot.
00:47:57.180 Tray coming down the track and it almost gave me a heart attack.
00:48:03.080 Tray, Tray coming down the track and it almost gave me a heart attack.
00:48:09.320 You've got back tears of frustration
00:48:13.000 Side search for something to say
00:48:19.780 You tend to suffocation
00:48:25.280 And I'll just stay out of the way
00:48:32.060 Coming down the track
00:48:36.740 And it almost gave me a heart attack
00:48:40.000 Freight train coming down the track
00:48:42.840 And it almost gave me a heart attack
00:48:46.360 Freight train coming down the track
00:48:48.980 And it almost gave me a heart attack
00:48:52.340 Freight train coming down the track
00:48:55.140 And it almost gave me a heart attack
00:48:58.580 Copper on the corner and you load it to your rounds
00:49:21.800 And I can't even get inside and talk you down
00:49:27.380 And Peter, sweet baby, where'd you get that going?
00:49:37.840 You spent half your life trying to turn the other half around
00:49:42.320 And I tried to come clean, but I guess it's no use
00:49:50.080 Your face is all over the six o'clock news
00:49:54.040 They clear the street and then they close the schools
00:49:57.920 I can't even get inside
00:50:03.280 Did you lose your head when the far
00:50:24.020 We'll be right back.
00:50:54.020 But I guess it's New Year's
00:50:56.480 Your face is all over
00:50:58.360 The six o'clock news
00:51:00.420 They clear the streets
00:51:01.980 And then they close the schools
00:51:04.280 I can't even
00:51:06.320 Get inside
00:51:24.020 Now, Peter, sweet baby, there's just something that I gotta say to you.
00:51:54.020 I'm gonna have your baby this coming June
00:51:59.360 We can get a little place down by Gilmore Park
00:52:07.620 You can do a little time and save my broken heart
00:52:15.100 And I'll try to come clean but I guess it's no use
00:52:22.240 Your face is all over the six o'clock news
00:52:26.220 They clear the streets and then they close the schools
00:52:30.140 I can't even get inside
00:52:35.560 And I'll try to come clean but I guess it's no use
00:52:41.820 Copper went ahead and he just shot you through
00:52:45.480 Now you're lying dead on the avenue
00:52:48.560 And I can't feel my broken heart
00:52:56.560 No, I can't feel my broken heart
00:53:18.560 We'll be right back.