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00:05:15.040He's the only guy who can turn fuck into a ship of Theseus paradox, which is, you know, if all the parts of something are replaced, is the thing still a thing?0.97
00:08:24.220And Stephen Harper, when he was crossed, apparently said it a lot in 2004,0.99
00:08:28.540When his staff weren't doing what he wanted them to do, he said, quote, I want to know why nothing ever happens unless I use the word fuck, end quote.0.98
00:08:37.420It's unclear what, if anything, his staff responded with.1.00
00:08:47.160But as his one-time special assistant, however, I can solemnly report that Prime Minister Jean Crencian never, ever said it or swore at all.
00:10:17.860okay in the video the drummer gets up from behind his kit and then goes to the
00:10:44.500bathroom, and then they start the song again.
00:11:14.500and we're back and i don't know why i just thought of this because i'm james warren douglas
00:11:21.440what is your full name again i was trying to think of it the other night at three o'clock
00:11:25.840in the morning uh brian james patrick lily or or if you want to say it in a really mick way it'd
00:11:32.120be brian seamus potterig lily wow that's awesome like so that it's that's a pretty celtic name i
00:11:39.680would say you're yeah you've got the celtic genes covered you might say and you know the the dna
00:11:47.980tests would back that up i i just i 23andme which i think is now owned by russia sent me an update
00:11:56.900on my genetic structure such as it is so i had thought i think i told you that it was 99.7
00:12:03.900percent irish i am overwhelmingly irish but i got some iceland in there too so maybe that's why i did
00:12:09.980my sojourn to iceland do you have anything weird in your background uh like the the initial uh
00:12:16.860tests are always so mine was ancestry and they're always uh strange and it'd be like you've got
00:12:23.420nordic and you've got like two percent jewish and all of this and and then eventually the update0.80
00:12:29.900came back and now from my mother's side it's 100 dirty mech and my dad's side 87 and with a little0.98
00:12:36.640bit of scots which they're the same people just you know one one side could swim uh and you choose
00:12:43.360which side could swim scotland was actually settled by people um uh the actual scots came out
00:12:49.380of ulster um before the plantation movement went the other way i did not know that i did not know
00:12:55.300going back to uh uh you know roman times it was uh you know ireland ran out of room for
00:13:02.320this group of kelts so they went over to scotland and settled so maybe that's why i love scotland
00:13:07.600so much ireland i have a pox on because it's so anti-semitic now yeah that is a problem but
00:13:13.660which maybe that's where mark carney gets it well let's talk thank you for that segue i appreciate
00:13:19.300that very much so mark carney prime minister of all of canada apparently this week has been
00:13:26.560designated as one of the people of the year or a significant person or i don't know what appellation
00:13:31.600times times uh he's on times list of the 100 most influential people for 2026 which
00:13:38.320if you're prime minister of canada you should always be on that list we just haven't been for
00:13:43.620a long time so why did they pick him and what do we think about them picking him well um i do love
00:13:53.020that the the piece opens up with uh saying he is nicknamed the george clooney of finance this
00:13:59.340rock star central bank governor is now turning heads as a prime minister yes um frank caputo
00:14:07.260conservative mp for uh colonna um he you know he's a bald guy so he said if mark carney's the
00:14:14.780george clooney of finance does that make me the vin diesel of justice files because he's bald like
00:14:22.300vin diesel nobody is calling mark carney the george clooney of finance except christine lagarde who is
00:14:31.260the um former banker who wrote it she you know she's been friends with carney forever
00:14:38.940and she wrote this piece i was like i've heard him called a lot of good things and he clearly
00:14:44.060you know he does have a lot of fans um despite being badly educated in economics according to
00:14:49.900pier poliev uh but you know george clooney of finance i've never heard that but you know look
00:14:55.500So he should be on the list. He is an influential guy. He is making some waves internationally, although I don't think as much as he believes he is. So, you know, he's got this idea that he's leading a charge of middle power countries, you know, and he's still living off the fumes of his Davos speech.
00:15:19.720but he didn't really have a lot of takers among middle powers to say, yeah, let's join with Mark
00:15:24.940Carney. Even Alex, uh, stubbed the president of Finland who showed up. Um, he's also still a big
00:15:32.500Trump fan. He has not broken away from the U S he calls himself the most pro American president in
00:15:37.160Europe. Um, Keir Starmer has, you know, not moved over into Mark Carney's camp. Emmanuel Macron has
00:15:44.960not you know plenty of others haven't so look he's influential he's creating waves uh he's not
00:15:52.080as big as he thinks he is and he's not the george clooney of finance but what does brian lilly think
00:15:57.280about him that's what all these other people think what do you think um i'm still waiting it's like
00:16:04.380waiting for godot i'm still waiting for or the old play waiting for lefty i'm i'm waiting for
00:16:10.400Mark Carney to deliver above and beyond all the announcements.
00:16:15.680So the latest announcement is that he's convening a summit and he's invited 100 of the world's
00:16:22.940biggest investors to Canada for an investment summit in Toronto in September.
00:16:29.860And I thought, okay, well, that's great.
00:16:33.320But, you know, the MOU with Alberta, they've missed the deadlines.
00:16:37.540we don't know if or when they will meet the deadlines the major projects office is not
00:16:44.200um moving forward with anything that wasn't already like not with anything new um i don't
00:16:54.180want more announcements i i want a little less conversation a bit more action as elvis saying
00:16:59.220is he going to get a deal with the states no no you you heard lutnik on that the other day and you1.00
00:17:06.920hate Lutnick all you want he's a fucking idiot he's an idiot yeah I've heard him described as uh1.00
00:17:12.680as a hype man uh carnival barker um by people in the business community sure but we got to get a1.00
00:17:20.700deal with him at some point I mean Kuzma does have to be reviewed and Mexico's getting
00:17:26.120theirs done and we haven't had serious talks in five months um you know expand trade all you want
00:17:35.860But when 75% of your exports go to one place, you've still got to deal with them.
00:17:41.840And this strategy of waiting them out and hoping for big change at the midterms,
00:17:50.260sure, maybe that'll happen, but maybe it won't.
00:17:54.160As I pointed out to you several times, on generic ballot, the Democrats are well ahead, about five points.
00:17:59.880But then just to ask, what's your approval rating of the Democrat Party?
00:18:04.740what's your approval rating of the republican party they're both in the shitter but the
00:18:09.680democrats are worse basically americans hate their politicians right now yeah but if they
00:18:14.300have to choose have to choose they're choosing democrats by the looks of it um it may be but
00:18:19.380like let's talk about pure polyeth let's talk about pure polyeth yeah ufc so poor pierre has
00:18:26.060just been getting no respect he's the rodney danger field of canadian politics there's a
00:18:31.260dated reference yeah well i'm an old guy and he goes i love dangerfield by the way everybody
00:18:35.900should listen to him he's a genius and uh he goes to winnipeg goes to a ufc event they love him it
00:18:43.180was like a love in the visuals were he was probably going i'm gonna move the conservative
00:18:48.160headquarters to to the ufc this is where i'm gonna live like like it was pretty impressive
00:18:54.280did you see what happened to him there yeah yeah he was mobbed people loved him and that's great
00:19:00.700uh can i tell you about another event that happened this past week absolutely so he speaks
00:19:06.640to the canadian club here in toronto big crowd um you know what do they always call it a business
00:19:13.700luncheon crowd uh if you're going to get a thousand people out for an event like that
00:19:18.520when things aren't going well for your party then those are those are your core supporters
00:19:23.820um you've been to events like this before the canadian club the empire club
00:19:30.220uh there is always a you know a main ballroom where these speeches happen and there is a
00:19:38.980um a vip event beforehand in a side room where the head table all gathers and people that have
00:19:46.060paid extra to uh be around the folks that are there he showed up late to the vip event did
00:19:52.900not walk in with the head table, which normally they announce the head table, the head table
00:19:56.760walks in, there's applause, the head table sits, then everyone
00:20:00.920gets their meal, and then there's a speech. He didn't come into
00:20:04.820the ballroom with the head table. He did not eat lunch with everyone else.
00:20:08.820He stayed off in another room, came in, gave a speech, left.
00:20:13.280Is that a good idea? No. You should be
00:20:16.780working the room. You should be shaking hands, talking
00:20:20.720to people that that was just a really weird event um and you know you know that in saying that mark
00:20:31.280carney's badly educated in economics what's he thinking you can say you disagree with them that0.78
00:20:35.840was pretty dumb the guy whose signatures on the on our currency he's like he must he must know0.93
00:20:41.680something he's got a phd in economics from oxford it doesn't mean that you know he's smart i know0.99
00:20:48.400plenty of PhDs. Uh, some of them are damn fools. Um, but Carney's not a fool. Uh, you can say1.00
00:20:55.500that he's wrong. You can, uh, Dimitri Soudis, who's trying to remake his name and, and build
00:21:02.380his image, uh, for, uh, media, Stephen Harper's former director of communications before he was
00:21:09.120a liberal, then wasn't a liberal, then, you know, lots of weird stuff. Uh, he, he said, like, you
00:21:15.500don't you don't attack somebody like that you use their credentials and say uh this is why he's wrong
00:21:23.660like it's he he knows what he's talking about he he's well educated in this but this is why he's
00:21:29.900screwing up and that's why it's so bad so yeah he had a great event at uh at ufc but he's he's not
00:21:38.700doing great elsewhere do you think he's final question um you know because people uh people
00:21:45.740listen this podcast they listen to you and the other people that i have on regularly but when
00:21:50.780you speak about conservative politicians um it matters is he going to make it is this guy going
00:22:01.100to survive some days i think he is some days i think he isn't what does brian lilly think i'll
00:22:07.100use the dated reference from the movie about last night at this point we don't know um so
00:22:15.180you know he's lost the four mps carney's got his majority um
00:22:21.660there's talk of seven to eight more we know that you know we've seen the text messages
00:22:26.140from the minister of indigenous affairs to billy moore and saying have you considered
00:22:30.220coming over to the dark dark side that is wild and uh they have openly said they're they're
00:22:37.260they're trying for seven eight more if they get three or four more how does this polyf stay on
00:22:44.380uh i i he's got the summer to figure this out he should um lay low for a while he should go
00:22:52.300on a listening tour he should stop with going to big events and having big rallies and he should
00:22:58.860look for small meetings and conversations go listen to people don't you know stop going out
00:23:07.180there and preaching start listening and and start rebuilding and build bridges yes with doug ford
00:23:14.940yes with timber uh tim houston i almost said tim murphy uh i don't think you'll go for for people
00:23:21.740that know who tim murphy is though you'll get a laugh out of that paul martin's former chief of
00:23:26.140staff. You know, go hang out in Quebec with Jean Charest and bring him on side. Go build those
00:23:36.260bridges, but listen to grassroots people as well. Don't go to the big rallies. Don't go for the
00:23:41.020adulation. Go on a listening tour. Make sure that your caucus is actually behind you and not
00:23:48.120deciding that they're going to go off and, you know, join the Liberals and then come back in
00:23:54.240September addition not subtraction that's what politics is all about it's one of the Brian
00:23:59.500Lily isms so yes thank you Brian Lily of Celtic heritage and the very long name um most grateful
00:24:07.080have a wonderful day wonderful week appreciate it thank you thank you
00:29:15.380We love you, we love you, Nicky Weston
00:29:29.920And we're back, we're back with Kareem Assad
00:29:32.200And Kareem, I just want to say off the top, I am very sorry for what happened to you yesterday in Toronto.
00:29:41.740I saw the video, I wasn't there, I saw the video coverage from many different angles, and I'm really sorry what happened.
00:29:49.180Can you tell us what happened to you at this protest or this event?
00:29:55.800Yeah. Thank you just at the outset so much for checking in and everyone who checked in. And I will say the first responders did an excellent job managing the situation.
00:30:08.800Just briefly, I was attending a demonstration yesterday in downtown Toronto.
00:30:16.940There was a Canada First protest and a very, very small Antifa counter-protest.
00:30:24.140And as I approached Young and Dundas and was in the vicinity of a few of these Antifa counter-protesters,
00:30:33.780At some point, one of them who was in a mask and sunglasses really tried to snatch my phone out of my hands and make a run for it.
00:30:48.240I was able to hold on for a little bit, but ultimately ended up on the ground.
00:30:56.280But I guess the incident was so loud that police and bystanders heard and saw what was happening, and so the culprit didn't get much farther running down the sidewalk before he was tackled by the cops and arrested and charged, and that's that.
00:31:20.540i i felt like some minor injuries um like i maybe sprained a finger um i was a little bit sore
00:31:28.360waking up this morning um but you know the kind of what i didn't expect to this degree because i've
00:31:37.600had encounters that are negative like this on a few occasions um this this one felt a little bit
00:31:46.520different in that it really rattled a sense of safety and security and feels like a threshold
00:31:56.720has been crossed. So I'm kind of dealing with that side of it still, but it seems kind of
00:32:07.940the purpose of this, and I guess maybe we'll get into it, but the individual who got arrested,
00:32:14.780Once he was unmasked, I realized has actually been a recurring character in some of my footage.
00:32:24.040This seems to me like it was a deliberate and targeted attack.
00:32:29.280At a previous Canada First rally, there was another Antifa counter-protester who tried stealing my videographer's phone and was also promptly arrested and charged.
00:32:43.120So kind of taken in totality and given what I know about my previous interactions with this individual and his comrades, I believe that this is a coordinated attempt to intimidate us from documenting these protests and particularly this group's activities.0.81
00:33:04.220so i don't want to jeopardize the prosecution of this asshole um so we're not naming them
00:33:11.240you know you've called them the culprit the individual so i'll do the same thing so0.97
00:33:15.460this individual and this individual's uh comrades as you put it like why are they targeting you
00:33:23.520guys why why are they going after you all you're doing is documenting their event presumably they0.93
00:33:28.960want people coming to their fucking events and paying attention to it that's what you're doing0.96
00:33:33.300why are they targeting you? I mean, that's a good faith interpretation of having a demonstration0.99
00:33:41.120or a protest and the assumption being, of course, the goal is to raise awareness for people to see
00:33:47.140this. That's not always the goal. And, you know, the fact that I show up, we show up and just
00:33:57.600record what we see and post pretty much raw footage with minimal commentary, it allows
00:34:04.540people to reach their own conclusions. And I think that's dangerous. If what I was doing
00:34:13.240was ineffective or invaluable, I don't think there would be as much effort dedicated to
00:34:21.240trying to stop me. So to answer your question, why, I believe it has to do with some of the
00:34:29.320patterns I've identified as far as people and tactics and, you know, the way that
00:34:40.020protesters decide to interact with perceived political adversaries, with police, with
00:34:49.980politicians, all of that is potentially, it potentially undermines the narrative that
00:34:57.800these groups are trying to craft. And so they would prefer to eliminate my camera. They've
00:35:04.080made that abundantly clear over the past four or five years that they just don't want me there.
00:35:11.260And now, it seems, are willing to escalate to the point of pretty serious, you know, pretty serious behavior.
00:35:23.880One thing that you and I noted and talked about last night is an individual watching this creep being arrested yelled out, give us your name and we'll get you a lawyer or something to that effect.
00:35:41.280And that's the sort of thing that I've seen about and I've written about in my book, which is coming out this week, and the documentary, and you're part of both of those, where people at these protests, they may look ragtag and not terribly organized, but they often have legal services provided to them for free, that they're covered.
00:36:06.700That signifies a greater level of organization and commitment, doesn't it?
00:36:11.280It does. And again, that is part of what I cover. And I think that maybe I'm getting a bit too close and touching a nerve.
00:36:25.100There's obviously, you know, as a defense lawyer, I'm all for people having access to representation.
00:36:33.400I think that, you know, it's a crucial component of the system.
00:36:37.980It doesn't always work out well and where people can be represented, that's preferable.
00:36:44.220What makes this different or I guess should be taken into consideration here is that you have protesters who, first of all, are misinformed about the law and their rights.
00:36:58.760And secondly, are perhaps incentivized to act in ways they might not otherwise do because they believe there's a safety net.
00:37:13.340And that can lead to a lack of accountability, particularly where it's, you know, there's almost a pipeline between some of these activists, including sort of the scene we saw yesterday, and a relatively small pool of lawyers who consider themselves to be movement lawyers.
00:37:37.120And, you know, yesterday's incident was not a situation of someone doing vandalism or maybe getting into kind of a scuffle.
00:37:48.740Like this was to have the offer of free legal assistance made almost feels like, you know, I don't want to overstate, but that's a safety net, right?
00:38:05.780So go ahead, do whatever. We're going to have your back. And then like that's now crossing into, again, I think the intimidation of journalists.
00:38:15.140So, yes, there are systems and, you know, organizing that sort of are underpinning the protest circuit and the protest industry.
00:38:31.340There are civil servants and, you know, politicians and teachers and nurses.
00:38:37.480And, you know, it permeates sort of all aspects of our society.
00:38:42.300Not to overstate, but there's a little bit here and there and everywhere.
00:38:47.040And that's, you know, that's what I cover and that's what I'm going to continue to cover.
00:38:51.840Well, that is the final question I have for you, you know, those of us who care about you and we worry about you, you know, and if I was your editor, I'd say to you, do we think that you're going to get hurt?
00:39:06.220you're going to get more seriously hurt next time and we need to think twice about you know
00:39:12.840whether you should be deployed in this way you should be getting in these events because
00:39:17.980they're targeting you have you thought about that and and if so what's your response
00:39:24.300we are definitely going to revisit the safety plan and make some adjustments to that i'm also
00:39:32.480mindful that there are others who have reported on similar beats who ultimately had to tap out
00:39:42.360in one case, even moved to a different country altogether. And so I don't want to get to that
00:39:48.540point. There has been a sustained trajectory of violence and encroachment on my ability to do my
00:39:56.320job safely or without interference. And some of that is the result of a lack of enforcement.
00:40:04.300I can't make that complaint about yesterday at all. But yesterday would not have happened,
00:40:10.420in my view, if there hadn't been that trajectory. So I hope that this is reason to look into the
00:40:20.820broader pattern that I've described. There are identifiable individuals who are inciting others
00:40:28.680and typically will hide behind people who are not without agency, but relatively vulnerable
00:40:36.160or marginalized or easily manipulated. And, you know, these organizers themselves tend not to
00:40:44.720get their hands as dirty in a direct way um so that infrastructure needs to be examined and
00:40:52.640dismantled um i plan to continue this work um for as long as it's safe to do so well uh we want you
00:41:02.340to be safe and we don't want any more events to befall you as did yesterday so um so we'll be
00:41:11.240we'll be supporting you and we'll be backing you and most grateful for your your documentary work
00:41:17.800and your journalism and the attention that you're paying to this in my view growing threat to0.53
00:41:25.000democracy so thank you elon get out of my phone stop watching my porn
00:41:33.080I know you get lonely, but that's what good friends are for0.98
00:41:38.380You need to calm down, you're running around
00:41:43.880With your kid on your shoulders so you don't get shot down
00:41:49.480Elon, you wanna repopulate the world after it ends0.99
00:42:00.160But you hate your one trans kid who's against your big plan1.00
00:42:05.060And we don't care for SpaceX or your hair implants0.99
00:42:10.720You're not even American, yet you hate immigrants0.98