kinsellacast - May 10, 2026


KINSELLACAST 413： Rich Robertson on terror threats, plus Lilley, Sa'd but no Karl on the week's big events - plus Rosco Gordon, Ratboys and bands that sound alike


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00:00:00.000 It's the KinsellaCast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:18.760 Hey, it's Warren. Welcome to the KinsellaCast.
00:00:22.100 So, bits and pieces.
00:00:23.380 Nate Erskine-Smith, who has represented my long-time Toronto neighborhood in the beach,
00:00:32.240 lost a nomination battle in Scarborough Southwest.
00:00:37.840 That's really, really ironic because, firstly, Nate, a self-styled progressive,
00:00:45.540 went all MAGA white guy after losing,
00:00:48.980 alleges stolen votes by the winning candidate who happens to be a very successful immigrant to
00:00:56.100 Canada. And he did that without offering a shred of proof. Number two, and this is actually
00:01:03.580 maybe even more significant. The prime minister did an endorsement video for Nate, with Nate,
00:01:12.940 that came out just before the vote, which was fucking insane, 0.94
00:01:18.440 speaking as somebody who worked for a prime minister. 0.98
00:01:21.380 It was insane if Nate lost, which he did.
00:01:24.340 So now his carny has placed himself in the middle of this mess.
00:01:30.100 He's pissed off Ontario Liberals by putting his finger on the scale
00:01:33.940 in this provincial nomination fight, which his anointed candidate Nate has now lost, 0.92
00:01:41.060 which suggests now to everybody that Carney has really shitty political judgment 0.96
00:01:45.580 and he backed a big-time loser white guy over two impressive minority liberals 0.98
00:01:50.860 who actually come from the writing in question. 0.97
00:01:54.620 Anyway, I found that all quite amusing and ironic.
00:01:59.580 What else is going on?
00:02:00.880 Well, I can reveal our documentary.
00:02:02.680 The campaign is being debuted at the Tel Aviv Documentary Festival
00:02:07.720 at the end of this month.
00:02:09.560 So I am heading back to Israel for that, and that's going to be cool and a bit of an honor.
00:02:15.220 So I'll have more to tell you about that.
00:02:17.240 On the book front, the hidden hand is number one again on a couple Amazon bestseller lists.
00:02:25.600 And the Free Press, which has got 2 million subscribers, excerpted it,
00:02:32.040 and that's caused a big boost in book sales.
00:02:35.240 and the australian which is the biggest paper down under apparently plans to excerpt it as well
00:02:41.720 so thanks to all of you uh who've picked up the book i'm very grateful i'm talking about it at
00:02:49.720 beth tikva in toronto this week and we'll be doing likewise in peterborough and calgary and auto on
00:02:55.160 coming weeks vancouver after that so lots of uh hidden hand talk what else oh the habs won big
00:03:04.680 time yes yes as he likes to point out i am a playoffs bandwagon jumper i confess it is true
00:03:16.060 too bad if you don't like it go abs i've got the regulars brian and carl and kareem and talking
00:03:23.460 about politics and protests and potpourri i love alliterations and um some great music let me
00:03:31.340 describe the music to so i've got roscoe gordon he was a memphis guy pianist um and he had this
00:03:39.180 offbeat shambolic piano shuffle that they called roscoe's rhythm and he loved new orleans which was
00:03:46.340 a few hundred miles to the south um new orleans women in the 50s and then the song i'm gonna play
00:03:53.600 for you new orleans la which i'll explain in a second i've got the rat boys who i played before 0.90
00:04:00.220 And like when I was in a punk band, well, I've been in punk bands since I was 15, but we joke about calling ourselves cattle decapitation or aborted Hitler dick or something like that.
00:04:12.580 And then we would play acoustic love ballads or we would call ourselves California rain or love parade and then play Norwegian death metal.
00:04:22.620 Anyway, the Rat Boys, the point I make is the Rat Boys do not sound like their name.
00:04:30.220 But they're from Chicago, so what do you expect?
00:04:32.940 And then I've got a bundle of four songs.
00:04:35.080 I've got the Mopar Stars, new one, from this year.
00:04:40.460 And then I've got Immersion, also from 2026.
00:04:43.600 And then I play older songs by my band, the Hot Nasties, 0.92
00:04:48.080 one of our songs called The Ballad of the Social Blemishments.
00:04:50.860 And then I play Wired's, one of their greatest singles, Map Reference. 0.84
00:04:55.780 like listen to those and don't tell me that wire and the hot nasties didn't influence
00:05:02.780 future generations because we did anyway finally um what can i say to you it's um
00:05:12.640 mother's day today and mother's day like father's day always a bit unhappy for me
00:05:20.880 haven't joined the ranks of orphans so i'm gonna play this song about new orleans
00:05:30.080 because it was the place my dad loved the most and i can picture the two of them together having
00:05:36.240 a martini and smiling and laughing and dancing to Roscoe Gordon. So take it away, Roscoe.
00:06:06.240 And where everything's fine
00:06:07.920 You can get together and drink some wine
00:06:11.180 Some rock and roll, some to the pop
00:06:14.460 Some to the chicken and the turkey hop
00:06:17.720 Down in New Orleans, New Orleans, LA
00:06:21.720 Some eat gum, roast, and rice
00:06:27.480 And miss all their life
00:06:30.720 Some take his girls, some take his wife
00:06:34.040 Now there is paradise
00:06:37.060 Down in New Orleans
00:06:39.080 New Orleans
00:06:40.220 Thank you.
00:07:10.220 Please, they'll take you, and you'll think you're in paradise
00:07:14.820 Now, the new world is left in the mind
00:07:19.060 They've got a sling, they've got a master out
00:07:22.140 They don't understand what they're talking about
00:07:25.460 And they live, you know, down in the world
00:07:30.460 New on me, darling
00:07:32.500 So Palestine Action is a group that is well known in Britain.
00:07:48.220 They've been designated as a terror group following the violent infiltration of an RAF base a few months ago.
00:07:56.080 Some of their members have just been found criminally liable for assaults and criminal mischief in Britain.
00:08:03.680 So what's the connection to Canada?
00:08:05.920 Well, there is a chapter of Palestine Action, Palestine Action Canada,
00:08:11.180 and they're engaging in much of the same anarchist tactics that the group in the United Kingdom were engaging in.
00:08:19.040 They're sharing a manual of how to commit anarchistic terror, sabotage, destruction of property, etc.
00:08:26.220 And they're identifying targets around the world where they are encouraging individuals to commit these acts of terror,
00:08:33.680 including against institutions here in Canada.
00:08:37.360 This clearly meets the definition for terrorist activity.
00:08:41.840 And we are calling, B'nai B'rith is calling on the Canadian government to list Palestine Action Canada as a terrorist entity.
00:08:49.860 How did B'nai B'rith find out that Palestine Action was active here?
00:08:54.420 Through our proactive monitoring of groups of concern, we identified Palestine Action Canada.
00:09:00.580 Despite their assertions that they operate underground,
00:09:05.600 Palestine Action Canada is quite obtuse in their promotion of their anarchistic activity there,
00:09:13.560 openly endangering Canadians and Canada's national security there,
00:09:18.060 spreading their manual and their map of targets on social media.
00:09:22.680 And it's absolutely essential that our government treat this as the very real threat that it is
00:09:28.460 and that they act immediately to protect Canadians across the country.
00:09:32.440 I think it's important people know that they're not just a group that spray paints buildings and does things like that.
00:09:41.140 They have been involved in acts of violence.
00:09:43.320 A police officer had her spine shattered by a Palestine action person who used a sledgehammer on her.
00:09:52.600 They really are considered quite dangerous, but people in Britain are saying, well, no, they're just a protest group. 0.51
00:09:57.680 Why do you think people in Canada need to be aware of what they're really like?
00:10:01.700 Their manual reads like a terror manifesto.
00:10:05.280 It is encouraging individuals to form cells.
00:10:10.520 It is encouraging those cells to conduct reconnaissance, to identify targets,
00:10:15.940 and to engage in criminal activity against those targets, including, as you mentioned, Warren,
00:10:22.340 using sledgehammers and the like. 0.86
00:10:23.900 We've seen Palestine action in the U.K. engage in violence, breaking the spine of a police officer.
00:10:30.600 This is not graffiti. 0.72
00:10:31.880 This is not vandalism.
00:10:33.200 This is not protest.
00:10:34.340 This is organized domestic terror.
00:10:36.820 Final question.
00:10:37.880 So what are next steps for B'nai B'rith?
00:10:39.540 So you brought this to the attention of the authorities in Canada.
00:10:42.800 They haven't been very good in dealing with these types of problems in the past.
00:10:46.680 Why do you think it might be different now?
00:10:48.940 Well, there is precedent for the listing of Palestine Action.
00:10:52.560 Its UK chapter was prescribed in the United Kingdom.
00:10:55.860 We are encouraging law enforcement and public safety officials here in Canada
00:10:59.840 to work with our international allies, including in the U.K.,
00:11:03.300 to work with security counterparts around the world
00:11:06.060 to get a better understanding of who this group is.
00:11:09.200 The threat that they present is clear.
00:11:11.440 They are not hiding in the shadows.
00:11:13.100 They are openly disseminating their manifesto.
00:11:15.420 They are openly identifying targets.
00:11:17.640 There can be no excuse.
00:11:18.940 We will continue to push the government to list them to protect all Canadians.
00:11:22.620 Thank you very much.
00:11:29.840 Ooh, I know it's bad
00:11:37.940 But I can't help my panic attack
00:11:40.980 Make a sense of what is out there
00:11:44.120 I don't have what it takes to bounce back, yeah
00:11:47.480 When you left me on the porch
00:11:55.440 I felt like I was gonna die
00:11:58.480 So I guess I'll pace the floor, I'm shaking the wind and wonder why
00:12:04.140 I can't be lost now, I can't, you're gone
00:12:09.660 But when you're back, I'm going anywhere that you're gone
00:12:15.180 I'm going anywhere that you're gone
00:12:18.080 I'm going anywhere that you're gone
00:12:21.000 I'm good too, take me with you
00:12:28.480 I would love to be your shadow
00:12:33.400 Living in my perfect life
00:12:36.120 Some nights it's total darkness
00:12:39.180 Depress of fun, it's fun, it's fun
00:12:41.940 I can't be lost
00:12:44.460 No, I'm here, you're gone
00:12:47.420 But now you're back
00:12:50.120 So I'm going anywhere that you're gone
00:12:53.000 I'm going anywhere that you're gone
00:12:55.920 I'm going anywhere you've gone
00:12:58.800 I'll go too
00:13:00.300 Take me with you
00:13:02.820 Anywhere you've gone
00:13:04.540 I'm going anywhere you've gone
00:13:07.480 I'm going anywhere you've gone
00:13:10.380 I'll go too
00:13:12.140 Take me with you
00:13:25.920 I'm going anywhere that you're going
00:13:55.920 and we're back we're back
00:14:25.860 with my friend Brian Lely and what you just heard was my interview with Rich Robertson,
00:14:29.780 B'nai Brith, talking about the pro-terror group Palestine Action coming here and Brian Lely
00:14:36.440 experienced some terror of sorts trying to get across the city of Toronto yesterday and it
00:14:41.580 reminded me, I'm going to tee it up for you to talk about what you experienced in Toronto when
00:14:47.260 I lived in Vancouver and was helping the provincial liberals there. I was like, man, it's hard to get
00:14:52.500 around here and a former counselor said to me, yeah, we did that on purpose to discourage people
00:14:56.960 from driving cars. Brian, do you think that's what's going on in Toronto? It's the only rational
00:15:02.900 explanation for the chaos that beset the city this weekend. That has actually been city policy
00:15:09.120 for years. And in fact, they try and take away parking all the time so that you have fewer places
00:15:15.080 to park when you do drive. And that is official city policy. I've been reporting on that for
00:15:22.040 decades but this weekend they closed down uh the dvp the don valley parkway main highway artery in
00:15:28.960 and out of the city on a north-south basis line two of the subway shut down you've got street
00:15:35.060 closures and construction all over the place so you know i i didn't have a bad drive i had to go
00:15:41.900 up north of the city yesterday to one of the suburbs vaughn didn't have a bad drive getting
00:15:47.040 up there it was an hour and a half coming back an hour and a half normally 45 minutes to an hour
00:15:52.720 now i've got people disputing that you can ever do that drive in that time i do it all the time
00:15:58.480 so yes 45 minutes to an hour from where i was to my place in the middle of downtown
00:16:04.160 uh and yesterday was an hour and a half then i was uh going out to um great canadian casino
00:16:11.600 at woodbine it was a big event for honoring elton john and all these great canadian performers
00:16:17.040 singing his songs as he got the glenn gould award um fun event but it took more than an hour to get
00:16:24.400 out there it took 35 minutes to come home um and then this morning i i've got my windows closed
00:16:31.440 this morning because uh well young street shut down for a uh a 10k or half marathon that's going
00:16:37.600 by my window and everyone's screaming and playing music since 7 a.m uh so you want to move to prince
00:16:43.920 edward county where i am maybe somewhere more remote yeah okay so remote is what um
00:16:52.480 nate erskine smith was can i make one more comment no i'm doing a same crazy city stuff
00:16:57.600 all right well way to up my segue you you gotta find you gotta find the clip of spencer pratt
00:17:03.360 who's running for mayor of la because i think that someone needs to adopt oh no it was great
00:17:09.280 the phrase first commercial was great the second one sucks but he did an interview with cps and he
00:17:14.640 they asked him about zora mandami and he said well you know we relate on some things he promised free
00:17:20.240 transit uh in new york and and for the residents of la i'm promising that the metro buses and trains
00:17:26.480 will be free free of feces free of urine free of steppings because we need that in toronto yeah we
00:17:33.200 do um so um i now my i have no segue to get to nader skin smith way to go but we have to talk
00:17:42.400 about it because you know if it sounds like i was pleased by the outcome it's because i was it was
00:17:49.520 just so delicious um nader skin smith humiliated by this very successful immigrant to canada and 0.99
00:17:57.840 the local community saying no we're from here fuck you guy from the beach so what was your take 0.99
00:18:04.140 on it all did did you see it coming oh yeah yeah no i'd uh i've been talking to people who said 0.98
00:18:09.920 pizza guy uh was going to win and i'm not being uh dismissive in calling uh a chunel hafiz pizza
00:18:17.780 guy he owns something like 30 domino he called himself that he yeah yeah so i mean this is how
00:18:23.720 he made his money started at delivering pizza now he owns 30 dominoes locations um he uh
00:18:32.280 vice president of the federal liberal party um he very involved locally uh so this is not just
00:18:41.320 in erskine smith is from the riding next door also not well liked within the ontario liberal party
00:18:48.600 so this is being portrayed by some as oh look this is you know due to mass migration yeah
00:18:53.320 there's a big bangladeshi community there that's part of it but i also know a pile of old-time
00:19:00.120 ontario liberals who are like if this guy becomes leader we're organizing against against him or
00:19:05.960 they're organizing to make sure he doesn't become leader i don't know how he becomes leader if you
00:19:10.120 if you can't win a nomination race uh and even attracts uh 700 votes how do you turn around and
00:19:17.720 and say yeah but i can lead the party and win the election against doug ford mark carney doing a
00:19:23.480 video beside nate which they dropped the night before the vote i could not believe you know
00:19:31.540 having worked for a liberal leader and a prime minister that they got their prime minister 0.93
00:19:36.620 involved in a messy provincial nomination fight that seemed to me to be fucking nuts but what
00:19:42.240 was your take on it uh there's no need for him to do that there's no upside for him to do that 0.81
00:19:48.440 he clearly isn't a big fan of nate if you remember carney is sworn in as pm
00:19:54.140 on march 14th 2025 uh names his cabinet nathaniel erskine smith is in there from
00:20:02.540 that date until april 28th when the election happens and carney says okay now i need a real
00:20:10.280 cabinet and drops him no but tell everybody what nate said when that happened i i forget what he
00:20:18.600 said i was disrespected oh yeah so i mean right look i was talking with uh one of his former
00:20:26.120 caucus colleagues um last night who just was shaking his head and one was surprised that
00:20:33.880 carney had done that was surprised that uh um erskine smith had lost but also saying that this
00:20:42.440 guy is incredibly difficult to deal with this is why you know people don't understand uh why he's
00:20:49.560 not popular in his own party he's a maverick which makes journalists love him because he'll say all
00:20:54.440 kinds of crazy things like the the vote was rigged and it's i'm surprised he hasn't blamed dominion
00:21:01.240 voting systems yet and or israel pulled out rudy giuliani to hold the crazy news conference
00:21:07.960 uh on how they're going to overcome the uh the vote but the uh he he's it it's fine to be a
00:21:15.640 maverick but you you can't be a leader if you're a maverick they can't follow party lines no sir 0.96
00:21:21.320 so he's a loser carney's a loser for getting involved with the loser what about pierre poly 0.98
00:21:26.680 have we haven't we haven't focused a lot on Pierre in recent weeks in the Kinsella cast 0.98
00:21:31.520 what what is Brian Lilly hearing about Pierre's fate and current situation a ton of grumbling
00:21:39.720 and nobody wants to replace him yet but people just aren't happy um they're not happy with
00:21:49.420 his direction they're not happy with how things are going for the party abacus just has a new
00:21:55.460 poll out saying 10-point lead and Kearney's favourables are up, Pierre's are down.
00:22:01.620 Polyev came to Toronto a couple of weeks ago.
00:22:05.120 Big crowd out, almost 1,000 people, and couldn't excite anyone because it was a really negative
00:22:11.580 speech.
00:22:13.240 He was at the Canada Strong and Free Conference this weekend.
00:22:17.360 What did he do?
00:22:18.560 A really negative speech.
00:22:20.460 um the you know he's got 20 minutes to impress people and what does he do he he just talks
00:22:32.680 about how bad the liberal government is why this is a group of conservatives who want to hear about
00:22:37.500 the conservative movement going forward why isn't he talking about that shannon proudfoot at the 0.99
00:22:42.540 globe her headline was pier poliev encounters nothing but jerks all day long and she says that 0.99
00:22:49.900 you know this phrase that she she cleaned up that she heard years ago uh if you wake up in 1.00
00:22:55.580 the morning and you meet one jerk you've met one jerk if all you meet is jerks all day maybe you're 1.00
00:22:59.980 the problem and you know i think he needs to stop talking take a break go on a listening tour um 1.00
00:23:11.660 because what he's doing right now isn't cutting people the general public that he needs to win
00:23:17.260 over not the people that are already with him the people he needs to win over do not believe that
00:23:22.300 mark carney's doing a job bad job they do not uh it doesn't matter how many stats you throw at them
00:23:29.340 they they feel like he's doing a good job and your stats i know the the phrase people love to
00:23:35.660 use is facts don't care about your feelings well it works the other way facts aren't going to
00:23:41.420 overcome feelings that people have and so they're going to think carney's doing a good job until
00:23:47.900 they don't feel like he is what if he doesn't change his ways but what if he doesn't do what
00:23:52.620 you're advocating well he is going to come across as what his critic said before just an angry guy
00:24:01.660 um he right now he's leaning into the stereotype of himself and that's not going to help him
00:24:06.860 does it mean that he loses the leadership not yet but um as i wrote back in january just
00:24:16.460 ahead of the uh or maybe it was just after the the vote um at the convention okay he you know
00:24:25.020 win the vote at the convention but you lead the conservative party and you are auditioning for
00:24:30.700 that job every day now because the caucus can vote you out and they're not there yet
00:24:37.980 but they will lose patience at some point if they don't see a plan he seemed to have a plan
00:24:44.380 and he was being nicer to people and taking a different image and talking to the mainstream
00:24:48.620 media you know did interviews with cbc uh his poll numbers didn't go up right away uh comes back from
00:24:55.820 doing joe rogan is up you know says oh everyone loved it but the poll numbers aren't changing
00:25:02.940 he decides he's going to change uh parts ways with his communications director uh
00:25:08.620 says he doesn't need to talk to the mainstream media anymore and um goes back to the way he was
00:25:14.940 before like it's not gonna work not right now it's not it that met the moment of when justin
00:25:23.500 intruder was in it's not meeting the moment of now and that that's part of why i advocate go away
00:25:29.260 take a break listen and think because you're not gonna come up with a new way of doing things
00:25:36.540 while you're still going around just doing what you did before that didn't work well pierre i
00:25:42.680 don't know if you listen to the kinsella cast but i know members of your caucus do i know conservatives
00:25:47.640 do so you should heed the advice of our friend brian lily has a pretty good sense of where the
00:25:53.400 conservative movement is going my friend uh where are you going today what are you guys up to today
00:25:58.200 on this this cool but sunny sunday gotta head to uh the hammer for mother's day and so if if i leave
00:26:07.320 now i should get there by supper it's just after 8 30 a late supper with my mother once we get
00:26:13.640 through the toronto traffic of olivia chow vote brad bradford i just said but listen um well all
00:26:22.360 the best to your mom and to all moms everywhere and have a wonderful day and i hope the drive is
00:26:27.320 easier than that thank you sir talk soon
00:26:43.640 guitar solo
00:27:13.640 This time
00:27:14.920 No one likes a mouth
00:27:19.300 For a tea
00:27:20.940 So why is it bad
00:27:25.320 With that beast
00:27:27.700 Figured I would
00:27:29.540 Anyhow 1.00
00:27:30.440 She's a beast for the smile 0.83
00:27:43.640 I proceeded with caution
00:27:48.580 It's mysterious and gone
00:27:54.300 Figured I would need help
00:27:59.320 She's a feast for the song
00:28:13.640 The sun rose in the east 0.52
00:28:16.400 Just to make it back to the west 1.00
00:28:19.320 California girls are the best 1.00
00:28:25.580 That's not why 1.00
00:28:29.440 It's cause of how the stars lie
00:28:32.460 I proceeded with caution
00:28:36.360 It's busting wrists and gone
00:28:43.640 Figured I would anyhow
00:28:46.940 You said you'd stay a while
00:28:50.040 But you would figure out
00:28:53.220 Who's the saddest man
00:29:13.640 Thank you.
00:29:43.640 Thank you.
00:30:13.640 Tommy, where'd you go?
00:30:20.140 Tommy, what'd you know?
00:30:23.480 All the girls are here tonight
00:30:26.540 Everyone's safe, everyone's alright
00:30:29.820 Laying out of space tonight
00:30:33.160 Gonna be forever, gonna be tonight
00:30:36.440 Tommy, where'd you go?
00:30:40.000 Tommy, what'd you know?
00:30:42.300 Tell me where did you go
00:30:46.400 Tell me what did you know
00:30:49.740 Tell me there's a show tonight
00:30:53.000 Tell me the kids are alright
00:30:56.320 A million more songs to play tonight
00:30:59.640 A million more things to say tonight
00:31:02.920 Tell me where did you go
00:31:06.280 Tell me where'd you go
00:31:08.920 Tell me where'd you go
00:31:11.880 Tell me what you know
00:31:15.200 Tell me where'd you go
00:31:18.860 Tell me what you know
00:31:41.880 And we're back.
00:32:10.280 we're back with kareem asad and kareem welcome wanted to talk to you about um some of the wacky
00:32:17.060 sometimes you i mean obviously you you and your videographer experience stuff that is uh decidedly
00:32:24.320 unpleasant but sometimes you see stuff that is kind of wacky and even funny and i think you had
00:32:31.020 a couple examples of that this week where we had protests about the middle east uh involving animal
00:32:37.520 rights protesters like tell us about that how does how does something like that happen
00:32:42.460 well you had two different groups um in yorkville kind of at the same time barely a couple of
00:32:51.740 minutes away from each other on the one hand you had labor for palestine toronto who organized
00:32:59.440 a demonstration outside the LCBO at Bay and Bloor, and their purpose and intent was to
00:33:09.220 call for a boycott of Israeli wine, and specifically to encourage other workers to consider anything
00:33:17.940 coming from Israel to be hot cargo and to refuse to handle it.
00:33:22.980 Of course, as this demonstration was happening, the Israeli wine in question was already sold out and out of stock inside the LCBO.
00:33:32.860 So that was one demonstration.
00:33:35.360 And then, as I said, just barely a few hundred meters away, you had an animal rights anti-fur group outside Louis Vuitton, who staged their own demonstration, an anti-fur.
00:33:50.700 and it's not altogether surprising
00:33:54.820 like there's only so many call and response chants
00:33:58.340 and they're kind of used by different groups
00:34:02.620 at different times but the chants sound the same
00:34:06.140 unless you listen to some of the key words which are changed
00:34:10.280 so it's like a copy-paste and a slight edit
00:34:13.680 and it's just protest city all the time in Toronto
00:34:18.060 Well, let's talk about that because, you know, I can't see the Venn diagram of the Middle East and Louis Vuitton handbags. I don't quite see. Perhaps it's there. But it does suggest just macro, as you've just referenced, that, you know, we're seeing protests all the time, not just in Toronto.
00:34:39.300 I mean, this has turned into a global phenomenon.
00:34:43.120 Are we, as a student of this phenomenon,
00:34:46.800 do you see more of this stuff happening now
00:34:49.960 than we saw in the recent past or the distant past?
00:34:53.640 Or is it just a constant in democratic society?
00:34:59.920 I think that, I mean, again, I am going by my observations.
00:35:05.560 To me, it feels like we are seeing more protests than we have at other points in time.
00:35:15.660 It's just a constant stream.
00:35:17.800 And it's people trying to express themselves many times.
00:35:23.160 It's also people trying to inconvenience others.
00:35:26.620 It's people trying to shut down other people's protests.
00:35:30.540 So there's just so many. It's as though that's the default move. Pick up a megaphone, gather some comrades and go demonstrate.
00:35:44.820 And, you know, of course, there are other tactics that are being used simultaneously, but there is a heavy, heavy reliance on physical presence.
00:35:56.280 And that physical presence, depending on the group, can often bleed into the harassment of bystanders, police being in awkward, uncomfortable, at times dangerous situations, conflicts between protesters and counter-protesters, and this is just part of the status quo.
00:36:21.100 So why is there more of it? I don't know. Maybe we're just unhappier. Maybe this is sort of a comfortable, or I shouldn't say comfortable, but it is a familiar way of expressing discontent.
00:36:39.420 you know and it those are the best case scenario options but it's it's you look at the Toronto
00:36:48.960 police calls like they have a website where they show sort of who's being dispatched where for what
00:36:55.720 and it is very very common to see demonstrations and I don't think it's always been like that
00:37:03.520 you know I really don't. One of the big well I don't know if it was bigger I mean I certainly
00:37:10.640 saw you were there to cover it is the former president of the United States Barack Obama
00:37:15.160 was in town for an event and he met with the prime minister and did all that kind of
00:37:21.360 former president kind of stuff but it attracted like flies to a bright light in the summertime
00:37:29.220 time tons of protests across the board so what kind of what kind of stuff did you see when barack
00:37:35.300 came to town so yeah it was the canada 2020 20th anniversary gala at the fairmont royal york and
00:37:45.640 it wasn't um a particularly well attended demonstration um i would say you had
00:37:52.620 individuals who are kind of the freedom fighter, freedom adjacent.
00:37:59.580 You also had some anti-Iranian regime protesters.
00:38:05.420 You had a few, they overlapped with some pro-Israel protesters.
00:38:09.820 So that was sort of the makeup of the group who were there at the entrance.
00:38:17.740 And of course, the Fairmont has several entrances.
00:38:19.880 So it was kind of a roving protest where politicians like Anita Anand, Rob Oliphant, the prime minister himself, they all were, I guess, confronted by protesters.
00:38:37.020 I saw Prime Minister Mark Carney, and he was accused of being a tax cheat, of undermining the fabric of Canadian society in his relatively short walk from the sidewalk to the entrance, and he seemed fairly unbothered.
00:39:00.020 bothered. I missed the president arriving. I had a birthday dinner to get to. So I didn't see
00:39:08.140 President Obama. But I do know that police had to kind of maintain a line. And the protesters
00:39:16.560 were very resourceful at moving around and trying to figure out who was coming in from which
00:39:24.220 entrance uh it was i think fairly uneventful um in the sense that there were no um i'm not aware
00:39:32.240 of any arrests or anything um to that effect um you had and i don't know if i mentioned this as
00:39:38.660 part of the makeup of the protesters um but among the freedom fighters you also had a subset of
00:39:43.940 individuals who are either american canadian themselves um or just generally trump supporters
00:39:52.400 So no one was particularly pleased with either Obama or Carney or the liberals.
00:39:59.680 So, you know, they, they, that was the, the vibe.
00:40:04.080 And of course, at such a busy intersection,
00:40:07.160 you also had passerbys who were just curious about why is there a,
00:40:12.200 an inflatable Donald Trump walking around?
00:40:15.360 What's going on here?
00:40:16.680 So it's never boring.
00:40:18.460 That's never boring.
00:40:19.540 Well, final question, final thing.
00:40:21.160 perhaps it was not well attended because people had a hard time getting around Toronto this weekend
00:40:26.720 with everything shut down and races and everything else and of course like all things it's manifested
00:40:33.580 itself in the municipal election race which has been underway for a couple weeks now so what's
00:40:40.140 your take on how things are going are my critics and your critics at Progress Toronto are plugging
00:40:46.760 away running an unregistered campaign how do you think it's going for all the contestants so far
00:40:52.400 i mean how many mayoral contestants are there is olivia even in the race she is not interesting
00:41:01.280 point yep she some people suggest and i'm one of them she's campaigning without being registered 0.77
00:41:07.180 as a candidate which means the taxpayer are paying for her events which i don't think is appropriate
00:41:12.960 um but uh yeah it's a weird race isn't it it's different than what i've seen previously
00:41:19.620 and you know i don't have really a point of reference um but even when mayor chow
00:41:26.120 um well before the sort of election period um or the nomination period opened um when she attends
00:41:35.360 events like the St. Patrick's Day parade or other sort of public demonstrations, it's her team with
00:41:45.800 purple banners. It's a very personally branded, and so that's how she, I think, has consistently
00:41:52.480 presented herself to the public, making it hard to discern. It blurs the lines between
00:41:59.420 an appearance as the mayor and sort of a self-promotional exercise.
00:42:06.480 So, yeah, there is some nastiness, I think,
00:42:12.200 that is already circulating this early in the game.
00:42:16.980 That tells me probably things will get worse
00:42:21.880 and maybe even more muddy than they have been.
00:42:26.700 it's early to tell
00:42:29.520 particularly since I don't think
00:42:31.920 everyone has yet thrown their name
00:42:33.980 in the hat
00:42:35.180 so in the coming weeks I would expect
00:42:37.700 we'll know sort of
00:42:39.220 which rivalries or
00:42:41.720 you know which seats are
00:42:43.740 going to be hotly contested
00:42:45.900 and worth watching
00:42:47.540 well lots for
00:42:49.480 worth watching by you and by me
00:42:52.020 and I look forward to you
00:42:53.840 documenting all of it
00:42:55.120 democracy rolls along
00:42:57.500 expressing itself
00:42:59.400 I'm very grateful for
00:43:01.120 your judgment and your wisdom
00:43:03.180 so thank you, have a great week
00:43:04.640 Thank you
00:43:22.240 Living in a bubble
00:43:24.040 We're all in trouble
00:43:26.040 Are you in our club
00:43:27.840 Did you pay yourself
00:43:29.800 Are you cool enough
00:43:31.860 Are you really buff
00:43:33.820 But I've got more followers than you
00:43:36.920 So
00:43:38.040 We don't need your validation
00:43:42.520 We don't feel part of your nation
00:43:54.040 We won't hit the box required We don't need to be applied
00:44:24.040 So afraid of missing out
00:44:28.520 Driven on by fear and doubt
00:44:30.520 Image is everything
00:44:32.420 Desired to be seen
00:44:34.480 Are you really it?
00:44:36.280 Or just us chicken kids?
00:44:38.440 Are you?
00:44:39.200 Come on, follow us with me
00:44:40.960 So
00:44:42.240 We don't need your validation
00:44:46.520 We don't feel bad
00:44:52.480 of your nation
00:44:54.780 We won't drink
00:45:00.120 the most required
00:45:02.600 We don't need
00:45:08.160 to be the pilot
00:45:22.480 We don't need your validation
00:45:52.480 We don't feel part of your nation
00:45:58.920 We want it, the box required
00:46:06.680 We don't need to be admired
00:46:14.640 Okay, I can't find Carl.
00:46:21.960 It's Mother's Day.
00:46:23.500 I think he's probably busy with Mother's Day stuff,
00:46:26.660 which is perfectly understandable.
00:46:28.900 So we'll just get back to him next week.
00:46:33.520 Anyway, that was We Don't Need Your Validation.
00:46:37.020 And here is WIRE's map reference,
00:46:40.120 and I urge you to note the similarities.
00:46:43.560 So is rock and roll.
00:46:44.640 So is politics.
00:46:46.180 Everything that happened, happened before.
00:46:48.640 Thanks for listening to this week's KinsellaCast.
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