kinsellacast - May 17, 2026


KINSELLACAST 414： Dee Dee, my vicious Zionist attack dog - plus E., Belanger, Lilley and Iggy Pop, Sleaford Mods, Artificial Go, The Clique


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In this episode of the Kinsella Cast, Warren talks about conspiracy theories and why they re not so bad. He also plays a song by the post-punk band Sleater-Webb, and talks about a new song by The Clique.

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00:00:00.000 It's the Kinsella Cast, starring Warren Kinsella.
00:00:08.600 hey
00:00:29.100 I'm doing this early
00:00:31.660 well you don't know
00:00:33.340 that it's early
00:00:34.500 because you're just hearing it
00:00:36.140 when you're hearing it
00:00:37.000 so but it's early i i it's early because i have to go to peterborough
00:00:43.940 and i'm just wondering if i'm saying that right peterborough my son who's an aspiring golf pro
00:00:53.680 and i think he will be a golf pro one day and he'll take care of me and my dotage um this week
00:00:59.680 He was saying, Dad, say potatoes.
00:01:03.820 And apparently this is a source of great amusement for my children,
00:01:07.160 the way I say potatoes.
00:01:08.860 That's the way I say it.
00:01:09.760 I say potatoes.
00:01:10.740 When I lived in Dallas, all the kids were mean to me,
00:01:13.760 and they'd make me say about and roof and stuff like that.
00:01:18.520 It's mean.
00:01:19.820 Kids are mean.
00:01:21.400 You are not, however.
00:01:22.700 You are here, and you're wonderful.
00:01:25.300 And hopefully I'm going to have all the regulars this week.
00:01:28.780 and I got, listen to this lyric, see me driving down the street, I'm bored with looking good,
00:01:35.740 I got both hands off the wheel, cops are coming, I listen to the music with no fear, you can hear
00:01:41.300 it too if you're sincere, and that of course is the one, the only James Jewell, Osterberg,
00:01:48.520 well I know it's not Jewell, I think it's Newell, but I like calling him Jewell, because he has one,
00:01:52.700 That is a super obscure collaboration that Iggy did 26 years ago with this group called the Teddy Bears, all one word, and it disappeared and came back in 2025 at the tail end of the Superman movie, which I haven't seen and I will not see, but I will play this song one million times, not necessarily on this podcast.
00:02:20.980 Then I've got Sleefer Mods.
00:02:23.080 And Sleefer Mods have been one of my favorite bands of all time,
00:02:27.480 periodically.
00:02:29.680 I've got their tune, No One's Bothered.
00:02:31.980 I saw them finally at a sold-out show at the Mod Club this week,
00:02:36.420 the night before I did a talk about The Hidden Hand at Beth Zedek,
00:02:40.480 which is one of my favorite places in Toronto.
00:02:42.580 But anyway, I digress.
00:02:44.860 The Sleefer Mods were madmen, and it was glorious.
00:02:48.700 Just, it was amazing.
00:02:50.140 first time i'd seen them too artificial go are a post-punk outfit from cincinnati which is a great
00:02:57.000 rock and roll town and this tune that i'm going to play for you the triple ones or triple ones is a
00:03:02.060 bit poppy beetle-esque guided by voices birds pavement lots of other good things in there and
00:03:08.820 it's new and then speaking of superman which i was doing just about a minute ago um i conclude the
00:03:15.500 show with superman by the guys who wrote that song back in 1969 called the clique rem covered
00:03:23.600 it in 1997 made it a big hit made the clique lots of money i hope but the cliques version
00:03:29.440 is just way better sorry rem you guys stopped being good when we started understanding what
00:03:35.440 michael stipe was singing anyway um conspiracy theories i'm writing a book about them it's the
00:03:41.280 next book number 12 conspiracy theories can be harmless so they can be the opposite and mostly
00:03:48.900 conspiracy theories are stories which try to create some meaning in an often meaningless universe
00:03:55.600 they try to impose order on chaos most of all and sometimes they assign blame like now the earth is
00:04:03.080 flat moon landing is fake uh paul mccartney's dead birds aren't real governments are seeding
00:04:09.500 chemicals in the atmosphere using chemtrails area 51 in nevada is where the remains of space aliens
00:04:15.740 are kept those are among the many mostly harmless conspiracy theories but then there are concern
00:04:21.820 conspiracy theories that aren't harmless at all and they seek to instill panic and fear and they
00:04:27.740 do so by accusing a particular group of something particularly terrible so 9-11 was an inside job
00:04:35.340 COVID-19 wasn't real. Vaccines don't work. There's a deep state that secretly controls the world.
00:04:42.460 Sandy Hook Elementary School slaughter was a false flag operation carried out by crisis actors,
00:04:48.280 and so on and so on. There are many conspiracies like that, ones that hurt people and sometimes
00:04:54.460 lead to spilled blood. But the most persistent conspiracy theories have to do with Jews. 0.55
00:04:59.760 anti-semitism is a conspiracy theory and it's been around just about as long as the jewish faith has 0.98
00:05:07.360 been jews kill jesus jews consume the organs and blood of christians jews poison the water and food 0.99
00:05:14.260 that's the kind of fucking madness that you get from anti-semitic conspiracy theories there's 1.00
00:05:20.300 some extremists and terrorist groups like the arian nations i've written about extensively 0.99
00:05:24.140 the nation of islam who have written about christian identity movement written about them too
00:05:28.940 they believe the jews the literal descendants of satan there is an age-old russian forgery
00:05:34.980 titled the protocols of the elders of zion that asserts the jews are behind a secret conspiracy
00:05:40.640 to control the world henry ford the automaker he distributed that at every one of his car
00:05:46.880 dealerships anyway animals animals bizarrely have played a role in some of these anti-semitic
00:05:55.420 conspiracy theories. So, when tourists were attacked by sharks at a Red Sea resort in Egypt
00:05:59.880 in 2010, Israel was blamed for it. The Israeli spy agency had planted GPS units in the backs of the
00:06:07.320 sharks, some Egyptian governor said. Hezbollah, a terrorist group, claimed in 2016 that Israel used
00:06:15.060 spy eagles against them. Similarly, Saudi Arabia asserted in 2019 that the Jewish state
00:06:23.180 had used satellite tracking vultures. And the terror group Hamas, not to be outdone by everybody 0.69
00:06:30.440 else, insisted that Israel was using spy dolphins against it in the waters of Gaza in 2015. Anyway,
00:06:37.500 at this point, you may be laughing, like spy eagles and attack sharks controlled by GPS,
00:06:44.420 like it seems like the stuff of bad science fiction, but conspiracy theories don't need
00:06:49.000 to be plausible. And they usually aren't. They just need to make some fantastic claim and then
00:06:56.360 blame somebody for something bad. Which brings us to Nicholas Kristof, a columnist for what was
00:07:02.560 formerly considered the greatest newspaper in the world, the New York Times. On May 11th,
00:07:07.960 Kristof wrote a 3,500-word column titled The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians.
00:07:15.760 The fact that Kristoff was given enough space to write 3,500 words is, as any reporter or editor
00:07:22.960 will tell you, very significant. It doesn't just mean the columnist wrote a lot of stuff.
00:07:28.080 It means a conscious decision was made by senior editors and management to actively promote what
00:07:34.960 Kristoff had to say. And this is what he had to say, relying on the say-so of a Palestinian he 0.99
00:07:40.240 doesn't name. Quote, on one occasion, he said he was held down and stripped naked, and as he was
00:07:45.760 blindfolded and handcuffed, a dog was summoned. With encouragement from a handler in Hebrew, he
00:07:51.240 said the dog mounted him, end quote. So the dog raped him. This is what Kristoff says. He went on, 0.87
00:07:58.560 quote, other Palestinian prisoners and human rights monitors have also cited reports of police dogs
00:08:04.380 being coached to rape prisoners, end quote. Like he actually wrote those things. The New York Times
00:08:12.300 actually published those things. It is almost redundant, but it must be said, none of that
00:08:21.120 stands up to scrutiny. One of his sources, one of Kristoff's sources, was removed from an academic
00:08:26.640 post after being found culpable for sexual harassment, which he copped to. Another one
00:08:33.360 is led by a man who is active with a Hamas aligned organization. Like those are his sources. 0.92
00:08:41.360 And it's, so it's not enough to simply call the promotion of dog rape conspiracy theories
00:08:46.040 anti-Semitic. Like it's more than that. It's not enough to point out what everybody knows
00:08:51.140 if you have a dog or you have known a dog, which is that the dog cannot be trained to 0.88
00:08:55.380 rape a human being, it's not enough to merely mock Christophe's lunacy either. Like, doing so 0.85
00:09:02.760 underestimates the power of conspiracy theories rooted in Jew hatred. Like, there's a reason 1.00
00:09:09.540 that stuff has survived the centuries, never completely going away. But the New York Times?
00:09:16.360 Like, Nicholas Christophe? Like, how did they, of all people, decide to publish such harmful
00:09:23.780 bullshit we may never know but we do know is this which I just learned this week and it comes from 0.97
00:09:32.960 Nicholas Kristof himself his dad fought for the Nazis and that as it turns out isn't a conspiracy 0.99
00:09:41.960 theory at all it's the truth
00:09:53.780 See me driving down the street
00:10:02.380 I'm bored with looking good
00:10:09.080 I got both hands off the wheel
00:10:19.820 The cops are coming
00:10:22.040 I'm listening to the music with no fear
00:10:29.420 You can hear it too if you're sincere
00:10:36.140 Cause I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:10:46.820 Well, I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:10:49.480 Cause I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:10:56.260 Well, I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:11:03.040 I see a stagger in the street
00:11:10.100 And you can't stay on your feet
00:11:19.480 And you're faking in your sleep
00:11:23.540 You wish that you were deep
00:11:30.320 You can't hear me laughing to myself
00:11:40.640 If you could, you would be someone else
00:11:44.000 Cause I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:11:50.380 Well I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:11:57.180 Cause I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:12:08.520 Well I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:12:10.660 Cause I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:12:17.440 Well, I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
00:12:24.200 We're back, we're back with Carl Belanger
00:12:31.060 and some people call it the May 2-4 weekend
00:12:34.480 some people call it Victoria Day
00:12:37.860 In Quebec, Carl, I think they call it something else.
00:12:41.880 Yes, c'est la journée des patriotes.
00:12:43.820 It's Patriots Day here in reference to the rebellion of 1837.
00:12:50.520 And it's been like that for quite some time now.
00:12:54.380 It used to be called la fête de dollars.
00:12:56.680 It was not about the money.
00:12:58.080 It was about dollars des ormeaux, who was a French explorer.
00:13:01.420 but the Parti Québécois changed that to honour the French-Canadians at the time
00:13:08.240 who were rebelling against the British Empire.
00:13:12.040 Well, whatever its name it bears, we hope that all of Canada,
00:13:17.040 all of us are enjoying this long weekend, so hopefully you are too.
00:13:20.780 So maybe start things off.
00:13:22.520 You mentioned the Parti Québécois and the POQ, the Quebec Liberal Party,
00:13:28.220 which is the federalist option if there's another referendum they are always officially
00:13:33.740 the no side and the polls show that they have moved up and the poq is not doing as well as
00:13:41.100 they were but the plq could still win an election where it held today couldn't they
00:13:47.340 they could but they would need a few pieces to fall the right way because the problem the
00:13:53.340 PLQ has, their vote is concentrated with the Anglophone voters, and they're running
00:14:02.060 actually third place with Francophone voters behind the Coalition Avenir Québec.
00:14:06.340 There's been actually a bit of a freshet effect since Premier Frechette took over from
00:14:12.580 François Legault.
00:14:13.860 In March, Leger had the Coalition Avenir Québec down to 9%, and they've now, in April,
00:14:20.020 been consistently polling in the IT.
00:14:22.500 So a bit of a bump.
00:14:24.680 And what's interesting is that it came at the expense of both the Parti Québécois and the Parti Libertal,
00:14:30.080 who are at around 30 percent, overing around that mark, but somewhat down from what they were.
00:14:36.740 They're still tied, but where it matters is with Francophone voters,
00:14:40.980 and the Côte d'Azur of Québec is now in second place.
00:14:43.520 So it means that they are close to the zone where they can win seats.
00:14:47.580 And if they win seats, it means that most likely we'll be preventing the Liberals from picking up seats in French Quebec.
00:14:55.000 What has Frechette done that Legault didn't do?
00:14:57.740 Or was it just a case that people got sick of Legault's face?
00:15:02.140 Well, there definitely was fatigue there.
00:15:04.680 And she's trying to establish some kind of contrast.
00:15:07.500 She's changing the tone more than anything, the tone.
00:15:11.520 The last few years of the Legault government, it felt like they wanted to be at war with everyone.
00:15:16.440 They were at war with minorities. They were at war with religions. They were at war with unions. They were at war with public servants. So, you know, it adds up. And this conflictual approach has changed.
00:15:31.020 on their freshet. There's a more
00:15:32.880 conciliatory tone
00:15:35.240 with unions, with the
00:15:37.180 federal government as well.
00:15:39.240 Like when Carney announced this
00:15:41.040 big energy proposal,
00:15:43.660 you know, they are more
00:15:45.100 than open to it here in Quebec,
00:15:46.980 which is, you know, not the
00:15:49.020 usual reflex when the new federal
00:15:50.680 plan comes along. So
00:15:52.760 that change of tone, I think, is helping
00:15:54.960 her. And she's making announcements
00:15:57.120 left and right, you know, to
00:15:58.940 try to create a sense of momentum
00:16:00.960 I mean, still far away from being back in contention for power, but he's climbing in the right direction, and it could set up the stage for a three-way race.
00:16:11.520 Let's talk about Kearney. So the federal scene, things are a little bit quiet.
00:16:15.660 They're on a two-week break, I believe, and they'll probably come back and then shut down the house for the summer pretty quickly.
00:16:23.900 Kearney's just done his deal with Danielle Smith out in Alberta.
00:16:27.640 We'll see if that quells separatist sentiment out there.
00:16:31.920 He's continuing international travel.
00:16:34.900 American media are starting to depict him again as the Trump whisperer,
00:16:38.880 that Trump and he speak more than any other G7 leaders do.
00:16:44.640 What's your sense of how things are at the moment?
00:16:47.900 A couple of weeks ago, you and I talked about how Polyev may be in big trouble.
00:16:52.140 It looks like some of that's quieted down, or am I missing something?
00:16:55.560 Is there something going on that you caught notice of?
00:17:01.100 No, I don't think it's quite down internally, but it's not on the front page.
00:17:07.060 So that's helpful for Poirier, that's for sure.
00:17:09.740 But it's not like the polls have shifted in any kind of things that didn't matter.
00:17:14.020 Mark Carney is very much in the driver's seat and he's driving.
00:17:16.720 He's driving the agenda.
00:17:19.660 And, you know, the government should always drive the agenda, and Mark Carney is doing that.
00:17:24.780 But he's still not finding solutions to the problems he was elected to solve.
00:17:30.120 And that is actually his heel, if you will.
00:17:33.760 But right now, the fact that we don't hear Trump talk about Canada so much.
00:17:41.600 In fact, the most recent weeks, every time Trump came up was from Mark Carney himself.
00:17:51.280 Trump did not really go after Canada lately.
00:17:53.960 and we should stay that way 1.00
00:17:56.320 hopefully. He's been busy elsewhere
00:17:58.480 but it's interesting
00:18:00.160 on the
00:18:01.440 energy front because you have this
00:18:03.900 big policy on hydro
00:18:06.200 electricity or electricity
00:18:08.000 in general and the pitch for kind of
00:18:09.940 green energy which came on
00:18:12.000 the eve of the
00:18:13.660 fossil fuel expansion
00:18:15.860 that he's brought forward
00:18:17.860 with Premier Smith
00:18:19.380 and so
00:18:21.160 I'm not sure it's going to
00:18:23.960 separatist movement in Alberta, it may
00:18:27.080 certainly convince some neutral voters
00:18:31.800 or swing voters that, yeah, maybe it's not that wise of an idea
00:18:36.040 to sit separate and go a separate way, but
00:18:39.100 I'm not sure the movement is anywhere, to be honest, and why I'm saying that
00:18:44.040 was because Premier Smith has been most helpful to make sure they
00:18:47.860 tried, and she did it again after this court ruling this week where
00:18:51.680 the judge said that the petition was
00:18:54.520 unconstitutional, that they
00:18:56.600 had not consulted aboriginal
00:18:58.300 and first people
00:18:59.680 correctly. And she said, well, I'm
00:19:02.580 going to appeal that. Like, have you
00:19:04.560 ever seen a federalist premier
00:19:06.540 facilitate
00:19:08.060 a separatist movement?
00:19:09.940 No. I mean, if the
00:19:12.300 Patsy-Quebecois premier
00:19:14.560 had done it, it would make sense. It's
00:19:16.520 part of the job description.
00:19:18.660 But, you know, I think Smith is going to get 1.00
00:19:20.500 herself in trouble. She's trying to suck and blow at the same time. She's in two lanes at 1.00
00:19:24.500 once, whatever cliche you want to use. You can't be a federalist and a sovereignist at the same
00:19:30.520 time. I think it's going to catch up to her, don't you? I totally agree. I mean, it's really
00:19:36.540 hard to control that horse. It leaves the stable. And in this case, she's helping. So yeah, I think
00:19:45.280 she will be in trouble. But, you know, she's banking on this deal with the federal government
00:19:50.240 optimistic about it being built, British Columbia has a thing to say about that, and this is
00:19:58.440 where it's going to get interesting, and how will the federal government try to manage
00:20:04.600 BGC under the NDP government of David Eby, because they're not interested, and they're
00:20:10.160 not happy with the fact that Alberta also got a deal on carbon pricing in exchange for
00:20:15.360 that potential pipeline construction.
00:20:20.240 So that's all that politics stuff.
00:20:22.240 And, you know, politics is important.
00:20:23.780 And you and I spent a lot of time talking about it.
00:20:25.960 But the most important thing is the Habs.
00:20:29.600 And the Habs, I just got to tell you, last night I could see which way it was going. 0.90
00:20:35.480 And so I went to bed after the second period. 0.98
00:20:39.360 And I'm glad I did because I woke up to a very bad score indeed.
00:20:43.620 What is happening to our Habs?
00:20:46.160 Like, where is this going? 0.95
00:20:47.740 um who knows um you know but there's one thing um the sabres uh certainly brought down to earth
00:20:58.640 the canadien and their fans it's twice now they've done it in the series they've done it on game one
00:21:03.000 where the abs were coming off from a high of beating the lightning in seven games and now
00:21:08.460 you know everybody was already chanting in stanley cup in the streets of montreal
00:21:12.860 They thought they were going to eliminate the Seamers yesterday in Montreal.
00:21:17.360 It didn't happen.
00:21:18.020 And, you know, it's too bad you went to bed because you missed a historic moment.
00:21:22.660 You know, it's only the third time in the entire Montreal Canadiens' playoff history
00:21:28.340 that they gave up eight goals in a playoff game.
00:21:31.640 Happened in 73 against the Blackhawks and happened in 2002 against the Carolina Hurricanes.
00:21:38.560 So it's very rare.
00:21:40.340 Now, what will happen in Game 7? I don't know.
00:21:44.260 The fact that Jakob Dobesz is brought down to earth, back to reality,
00:21:51.260 is a big question mark because he's the one who's been stealing these games for the Habs.
00:21:57.220 And again, yesterday, the Sabres were out shooting the Habs,
00:22:01.200 and the Habs were winning at first in the game.
00:22:04.880 So, you know, we'll see.
00:22:07.200 But the mood is not as optimistic because, you know, there's no more chauvinistic fan than the Habs fans.
00:22:15.800 And when they are winning, they're singing the song that the Stanley Cup is coming home and all that.
00:22:23.160 But when they're losing, it's a catastrophe and we need to fire everyone.
00:22:28.240 So this is where things are at.
00:22:32.340 We'll see.
00:22:34.060 It's going to be fun.
00:22:35.220 Game 7s are always fun.
00:22:37.200 And so, you know, I'm from Quebec City, so I'm not much of an ad fan.
00:22:41.820 I grew up as a Nordique fan.
00:22:43.860 So, you know, my friends hate it when I show up to the watching party with my Savers ad
00:22:48.680 because I got one of those.
00:22:50.920 You did.
00:22:53.660 That takes a lot of courage.
00:22:56.280 It's dangerous sometimes, but hey, it's all in good fun.
00:22:59.680 Well, it is fun, but it wasn't so fun last night.
00:23:02.960 That's me going to bed early.
00:23:04.020 My friend, thank you for getting up early for me
00:23:07.180 and the Kinsella cast, the podcast.
00:23:09.540 Have a wonderful day and a wonderful week.
00:23:12.020 Thank you, Warren.
00:23:34.020 No one's bothered
00:23:35.000 No one's bothered
00:23:38.760 Two carriage on the runner
00:23:43.680 Everybody shake 0.86
00:23:45.580 I've got a bloody strop on 0.98
00:23:47.720 I'll tell you mate 0.98
00:23:49.240 I might get on donner
00:23:51.120 Everything I've seen
00:23:52.980 The grass in the dugout
00:23:55.040 Always bleeds
00:23:56.520 Mate, victory for no one 0.70
00:23:58.740 Hates as much as bleeds
00:24:00.420 The dark through the go on
00:24:02.400 Dead up from the knees 1.00
00:24:04.080 A nip shake, shake it 1.00
00:24:06.140 I've been around 1.00
00:24:07.780 The grass in the dark hand
00:24:11.740 Range of view, we do
00:24:13.580 Dead one fall, no one's bothered
00:24:15.620 You're trapped, me too
00:24:17.300 Alienation, no one's bothered
00:24:19.280 No one's bothered
00:24:23.080 It's hangy, I've got spawner
00:24:28.220 Who makes it all it seems
00:24:29.960 Hot sauce maker
00:24:31.660 Spicy screams, a lower grass skirt
00:24:35.580 5-0, Steve McGarrett
00:24:39.200 He blew all of the dough
00:24:40.940 The range of you, we do
00:24:43.100 Dead won't fall, no one's bothered
00:24:45.080 You're trapped, me too
00:24:46.840 A nation, no one's bothered
00:24:48.920 No one's bothered
00:24:52.540 No one's bothered
00:24:56.140 The range of you, we do
00:24:57.880 Dead won't fall, no one's bothered
00:24:59.820 You're trapped, me too
00:25:01.600 A&H and no one's bothered, no one's bothered, no one.
00:25:10.620 Oh no, we're charming, oh no, self-arming, oh no, we're charming, oh no, self-arming.
00:25:25.280 I'll take it back
00:25:27.460 I'll take it down
00:25:29.420 I'll take it back
00:25:31.180 I'll take it down
00:25:33.080 I'll take it down
00:25:34.900 I'll take it down
00:25:36.740 I'll take it down
00:25:38.980 I'll take it down
00:25:41.020 and we're back and it's quiet it's quiet in this household you some labs at our feet
00:26:10.040 you can hear the pitter-patter of their tiny
00:26:12.840 vulture-like claws
00:26:14.800 you can hear their tails
00:26:16.120 colliding with the walls
00:26:19.020 so E and I
00:26:20.900 are sitting here at the island
00:26:22.500 in the kitchen, it's not a real island
00:26:24.200 like it's made out of wood
00:26:25.420 but I guess it's supposed to be an island
00:26:27.700 and we've both taken our vitamins
00:26:31.100 we're both drinking our tea
00:26:32.580 and we're party animals, aren't we?
00:26:36.700 that's the most
00:26:37.640 sad introduction
00:26:39.780 although it's very apropos for a sunday morning dogs at our feet tea and vitamins and we're
00:26:46.620 looking at the birds outside there's a stage in your life when you're just doing shooters
00:26:52.400 off a stripper's back with a bunch of bikers and then next thing you know you're like oh look it's
00:26:59.080 a red-crested woodpecker i think it's important to note that that was never a part of your life
00:27:05.180 that's true you were more straight edge than i was and i couldn't have been straighter
00:27:10.340 and you've probably been to more strip joints than i have i always thought strip joints were 0.98
00:27:14.980 the most sad places and the most non-sexual places but you you being a country girl you 0.79
00:27:21.780 would hang out in strip joints wouldn't you hang out in strip joints but i have been to strip 0.93
00:27:25.560 joints around the world and those women deserve a lot of credit there's a certain amount of 1.00
00:27:29.760 athleticism and grace and charisma they deserve to be champions it's a lot of work and uh there 0.99
00:27:39.160 have been some very famous strippers in the punk rock scene Kathleen Hanna from Bikini Kill
00:27:44.020 Courtney Love from Hole and both of them I read interviews with them about it in preparation for
00:27:50.400 my book The Furious Hour and they said it's actually they have control they have control
00:27:56.520 over the men. The men think that they have control, but they don't. How did we go from
00:28:00.940 talking about taking our vitamins and birdwatching on a Sunday morning to strippers? Well, that's
00:28:08.100 what happens when you live with someone, dear, who has extreme ADD. No, ADHD. No, I'm not
00:28:15.640 hyperactive. Oh my goodness, you are so hyperactive. Okay, well then tell everybody what it's like
00:28:20.820 with a normal Warren day? A normal Warren day? Well you're the most routine person I know
00:28:28.280 up at 7 30 although you're awake probably an hour before reading the news physically out of bed at
00:28:34.700 7 30 dogs out coffee or espresso being made fruit and cheese reading Harper's New Yorker whatever
00:28:46.520 happens to be on the counter and then straight to your computer. That's an average work day. A
00:28:51.260 weekend day is a little bit more frenetic. Usually I have Saturday and Sunday mornings off purposely
00:28:57.300 before I start doing my classes and whatnot. And we'll go into town, get coffee, have a little
00:29:04.100 breakfast, a little nosh somewhere, a little mooch around the antique stores. And then now this time
00:29:11.100 of year, it's back to the yard for yard work. I can attest, me being the butcher of the two in
00:29:17.400 this relationship, the more country of the two, Warren Kinsella did in fact do some yard work
00:29:22.900 yesterday and dug three very big holes to plant some new apple trees. I was impressed. And I
00:29:28.380 didn't have a cardiac arrest, so you're not going to get your payout yet, honey. Well, I can tell
00:29:34.180 you just in case for the many fans of Ian, I encourage everybody listen to the podcast that
00:29:40.200 she and her best friend jill do and what's the name of your podcast everything on the table with
00:29:45.840 enid and jill and what platforms is it on spotify and apple so they do that every week and you should
00:29:52.300 check it out the thing she doesn't reveal is that she walks around naked first thing in the morning 0.99
00:29:56.500 which i can tell you fellas is not a bad thing and uh but she does her vitamins and she has a
00:30:02.360 routine as well and i i mean our routine's a function of getting old i think i always had a
00:30:07.840 routine when I was young too. I think it's important to note here that I think in a lot
00:30:14.320 of relationships there is one person that feels that it is important to sleep naked for the health
00:30:20.480 of their overall general health and then the other partner who insists on wearing his jammies
00:30:27.860 regardless of the temperature inside or outside and we are dealing with an individual who
00:30:36.140 insists on flannel sheets i am in the throes l.l bean flannel sheets i am in the throes of
00:30:41.760 perimenopause full-on menopause at this point and i am stuck with a man who insists on wearing
00:30:46.680 jammies and continuing to wear flannel sheets throughout the summer months these two people
00:30:51.520 always end up together what you can hear in the background it's not some zionist attack dogs 0.69
00:30:58.300 it's um didi who is 12 weeks and how many pounds would you say she is she's probably pushing maybe
00:31:08.440 20 22 pounds now and she's attacking tommy who's 90 pounds okay guys go outside go outside just be
00:31:17.140 quiet all right okay so um things have been slightly less than a routine around here lately
00:31:23.120 your business is going gangbusters my table in prince edward county um i'd encourage everybody
00:31:29.800 to book a spot at her table but she's booked up until the new year pretty much november now
00:31:37.020 for private events we're booked until november so it's a pretty special thing i get invited
00:31:42.040 occasionally here i'm gonna put them aside come on guys follow me you're on the podcast let's go 0.99
00:31:47.040 come on be good everybody's listening to you millions of people come on joey out okay fuck 0.98
00:31:54.440 off goodbye so um it's hard to get a spot at her table i was invited to to fill in for somebody who 0.99
00:32:02.340 couldn't make it and it was pretty cool um so you're busy as stink but i've been busy as stink
00:32:08.000 as well with a couple things going on along with the 20th daisy anniversary i've also got this book
00:32:15.220 out um and this documentary so i'm going to israel in a few days time for the debut of our
00:32:21.880 documentary the campaign at the tel aviv international documentary festival in the book
00:32:26.440 and it's been we i i found it weird it's different than other books i've done
00:32:31.960 um the promotion of it and the marketing of it what what has been your impression
00:32:36.920 because i i'm assuming i'm the first author you've lived with on a book tour what's your
00:32:44.040 been impression your impression been of all the stuff that's been going on well i i really love
00:32:50.420 the solitude here with you not around the house is tidier uh it's quieter when you're not around
00:32:58.500 you're not supposed to say mean things um no you are the first uh author um uh i have lived with
00:33:07.740 and i mean the biggest difference is just you're not here so your routine or lack of your routine
00:33:14.260 around the house is notable um but i mean we check in every day you're just you're very busy i mean
00:33:21.340 you've described to me what previous book tours have been like i quote unquote more traditional
00:33:26.340 book tours you are these book tours are more speaking engagements podcasts radio interviews
00:33:33.180 as opposed to in-person bookstore meet-and-greet type things.
00:33:38.760 None of these I'm able to attend because, as you mentioned, I'm busy,
00:33:41.780 so I'm not there to actually see him in action.
00:33:44.660 I just hear about it afterwards.
00:33:45.680 But it does seem like potentially more work.
00:33:48.940 You're just jetting around to more places.
00:33:52.060 Like Peterborough today.
00:33:53.460 Yeah, you're heading to Peterborough today.
00:33:54.780 But you love speaking or rating.
00:33:58.320 You love an audience, so I think you're enjoying it.
00:34:00.640 You seem to be enjoying it.
00:34:01.640 Well, people have been exceptionally nice. I spoke at Bethsaic Synagogue in Toronto this week, who have amazing people there. It's all women that I deal with there. Women of Sephardic backgrounds, women from Africa. It's one of the coolest synagogues.
00:34:23.020 So we had over 100 people there, too, as I spoke with Dave Gordon,
00:34:27.280 who's a great, great writer, writes about these issues,
00:34:30.640 and we sold lots of books.
00:34:33.280 And then in Peterborough, we're going to have all kinds of cool people there, too.
00:34:38.720 You and I were out for dinner last night at Flame & Smith,
00:34:41.200 one of our favourite hangouts, and we talked briefly about this.
00:34:45.820 There are some places, like in Ottawa, for example,
00:34:49.380 I'm supposed to speak at the end of June,
00:34:50.980 and we're having a hard time funding somebody to sell books.
00:34:55.440 Maybe that's happenstance, but it may be happening for a reason.
00:34:59.860 And you and I have encountered some of that reason,
00:35:02.320 even though we're both not Jewish.
00:35:05.720 We've actually experienced anti-Semitism, and we're not even Jews.
00:35:10.400 How has it been for you in a small community 0.98
00:35:13.900 encountering some of the crap you've encountered? 0.96
00:35:16.640 Because you have experienced some of these things. 0.97
00:35:20.980 how has it made you made you feel i think i've i've experienced it more than you have
00:35:28.640 in this community uh at first it was alarming it was uncomfortable it was um i had to sit with it
00:35:38.380 for a while to actually figure out what was going on um i i mean i've grown up in this community i
00:35:46.280 know that there's lots of different you know opinions perspectives value sets etc but this
00:35:52.540 one was really really pointed um i think there were several things going on but yes in the
00:35:58.620 beginning it was very uncomfortable i mean we're well over two years down the line of the first
00:36:04.860 uh occurrences of it i'm gonna this is too important i'm just gonna shut the door so he
00:36:09.660 stops this is what joey does he has separation anxiety there we go okay we're just going to
00:36:17.700 shut the door for a minute so we preserve the professionalism of the podcast so you
00:36:22.880 have grown up here and you've experienced more of it than i have and that is true
00:36:27.460 yeah so again it was a little alarming and uncomfortable in the beginning and i am very
00:36:34.400 much the person that wants to talk to people I still believe in old-fashioned sitting around the
00:36:40.560 table and hearing you know ideas and opinions and nobody has to agree but you at least sit down at
00:36:47.220 the table and talk and a lot of these experiences I had early on I did just that I invited all of
00:36:52.400 these people that never even gave me an opportunity to talk about any of this it was just very rash
00:36:59.180 hatred and aggression and not a lot of uh intellectual thought went into it and all 0.88
00:37:05.900 just sort of summed up in my brain as very lazy and ignorant and as the time has passed a 0.50
00:37:13.060 considerable amount of time has passed it necessarily it certainly hasn't gone away but 0.73
00:37:16.740 it's just um the way I see it now is um if people are unwilling to sit down and have a conversation
00:37:25.200 with someone that they disagree with, there's no point in engaging. And it's best to, from my
00:37:33.220 perspective as a white woman who is not Jewish, to ignore them. I refuse to give them any energy 0.60
00:37:44.580 unless they are willing to have a discussion. And I can tell everybody, just without getting
00:37:53.040 into too much detail she's had her business vandalized she has had threatening letters
00:38:00.080 she's been barred from charities that she had a long association with where these people sought
00:38:06.160 to keep her out of the charity just because she um is who she is and has the belief she has so
00:38:15.280 it's been pretty shitty um i've got to say you know coming here i've always lived in big cities
00:38:22.640 as you know Vancouver and Dallas and Calgary and Toronto I thought small towns would be different
00:38:29.220 be like Mayberry RFD but it hasn't really been that way and it's been disappointing but you I
00:38:37.380 think you're more sanguine about it because I think you knew it was always here well I think
00:38:42.080 there's a few things going on yes there are there are certainly versions of bigotry and racism that
00:38:48.240 exist everywhere. I mean, I am a bit of a public person here and have been for some time to an
00:38:55.360 extent. I believe that there is some other things going on where people just don't like you. And
00:39:02.400 it's fine to be disliked. But if you are being targeted because you, you know, you believe that
00:39:09.640 a specific group, in this case, the Jewish community, or, you know, residents of Israel
00:39:16.780 and any of the Jewish diaspora around the world deserve to be treated with respect,
00:39:21.620 then, you know, that sort of usurps any jealousy or dislike that people may have for you.
00:39:30.600 And again, it was upsetting in the beginning, and all of those things that you said are true.
00:39:37.080 Those things have happened.
00:39:39.980 But again, now it's like I just sort of lump them into the grand scheme of people
00:39:44.760 who are just talking as loudly as they can and being as voracious in their ignorance and it's
00:39:52.340 really hard to try and interact with those people in a respectful intelligent way so why waste my
00:40:02.020 energy I'd rather put that energy towards continuing to do the stuff that I think is
00:40:06.620 important in general within this community and and support all those that need to be supported
00:40:13.220 and just ignore those that don't have a general respect
00:40:17.380 and an openness to engage everybody.
00:40:20.160 Well said. 1.00
00:40:20.980 My view is fuck them. 1.00
00:40:23.080 Yeah, we differ slightly. 1.00
00:40:24.600 I'm slightly more democratic.
00:40:27.200 I'm the olive branch extender.
00:40:29.540 You're the cut them off at the knees. 0.98
00:40:32.120 Yeah, no, walking Irish bar fight, as my friends in Toronto call me. 1.00
00:40:35.780 So, yeah, fuck them. 1.00
00:40:37.880 And they're not people who listen. 1.00
00:40:39.480 They don't care about history.
00:40:40.520 They don't care about truth.
00:40:41.480 The worst thing, in my opinion, and you and I differ on this as well, I believe that people who thrive on the idea that they're getting under your skin, they just deserve to be ignored because nothing bothers them more than you ignoring them.
00:40:58.240 They want to get under your skin. They want to think that they're making you angry or sad or whatever, that they have some sort of part in your daily anguish.
00:41:07.540 and to ignore them just really drives them crazy it's their level of combination of a narcissism
00:41:14.300 but just their attention seeking and most of their attention seeking comes from how loud they can say
00:41:20.140 ridiculous things and when you ignore it and you don't even give any credence to it i cannot
00:41:26.020 not believe that it doesn't just drive them nuts i don't disagree i just think there's a certain 0.77
00:41:31.880 category of them who whose hate is so all-consuming it is so all-pervasive that ignoring them doesn't
00:41:41.280 work and so my approach through my books through my journalism through everything I do it's like 0.58
00:41:48.700 okay you want to be famous I'm going to make you fucking famous and the best way to deal with 0.97
00:41:54.580 cockroaches in my opinion sometimes is shine a light on them and shine a light on what they do 0.99
00:41:59.200 and so I'll be talking about some of that in Peterborough this afternoon and in Israel and
00:42:05.800 different places going to Calgary going to Ottawa lots of talks in the coming weeks so thank you to
00:42:12.180 E for you know keeping the house kind of tidy I appreciate that and feeding the dogs way cleaner
00:42:18.200 when you're not here the dogs and I have an incredible routine that you impact greatly when
00:42:23.300 you come home it's mayhem everything's off routine we yeah we've got a good little system here well 0.70
00:42:29.940 that we've got zionist attack dogs folks just you be aware and i've got a picture on this year this
00:42:36.780 week's podcast of dd looking just vicious and horrible just don't mess with dd well to her 0.98
00:42:45.260 credit she's got her two brothers are both 90 pounds and from day one she was attacking them 1.00
00:42:51.880 She was like, I am not going to kowtow to these big lads. 0.86
00:42:55.800 And they let her.
00:42:56.880 So it kind of reminds me of E. 0.88
00:42:58.800 All right.
00:42:59.280 Well, thank you for joining us from the Kinsella cast this week.
00:43:02.860 I encourage everybody to check out her own podcast, which is about food.
00:43:09.880 It's about women.
00:43:12.340 It's about menopause.
00:43:14.980 it's two best friends sitting around talking and not worrying so much if anybody's listening to us
00:43:22.820 yeah and it's it's pretty good whenever my name comes up i get ready to wince but
00:43:27.600 so far so good so thank you have a great day and a great week
00:43:44.980 I don't sound up and down, the size won't come true
00:43:53.020 Don't you second guess what I already knew
00:44:00.540 Chippewa, send me something, I am quite suspicious of your mouth
00:44:08.720 Tell me, where do you say that? Explain to me your divisional behavior
00:44:16.340 Tell me, where do you think that? Explain to me your thoughts, thoughts, thoughts
00:44:24.160 The world does neither, I'll talk with sunshine
00:44:30.420 I've made it right time, if you sit in my inventory
00:44:37.760 I'm the East of the States, I'm the Jack of the Chase
00:44:45.160 I understand the dreams of the game
00:44:53.020 Tell me, where'd you date us?
00:44:57.820 Explain to me, oh do you know the idea?
00:45:01.980 Tell me, where'd you think that?
00:45:05.160 Explain to me your thoughts and prospect
00:45:08.840 Tell me why would you say that
00:45:12.840 Explain to me all the views in your behavior
00:45:16.300 Tell me why do you think that
00:45:20.200 Explain to me your thoughts and prospect
00:45:23.820 I won't touch you, tell me
00:45:35.140 On your face
00:45:36.780 You haven't noticed my face
00:45:39.640 That's right, right, right
00:45:41.240 We and I remember
00:45:45.040 What we've noticed
00:45:46.240 We've never seen
00:45:48.340 Tell me
00:45:49.840 Where would you say that?
00:45:52.600 Explain to me
00:45:53.740 Your delusional behavior
00:45:55.640 Tell me
00:45:57.340 Where do you think that?
00:46:00.040 Explain to me
00:46:01.640 Your talk, your talk
00:46:03.440 Now we're back and hopefully the third time is the charm.
00:46:23.440 Brian Lilly, our correspondent, is in a remote location somewhere in Canada on this long weekend
00:46:30.540 and enjoying himself with beautiful sights and sounds.
00:46:33.760 But the sound he's getting, because of his remoteness, is not so great.
00:46:39.200 So we're going to give it one last try here.
00:46:41.400 Brian, can you hear me?
00:46:43.500 Yes, I can, Warren.
00:46:44.860 Okay, great.
00:46:45.680 Well, thank you so much for letting me interfere with your long weekend.
00:46:50.980 Wanted to talk to you about Alberta, my home province.
00:46:54.300 Kind of weird this week.
00:46:56.800 Contradictory to me.
00:46:57.860 You had Premier Smith signing a deal with the Prime Minister.
00:47:00.540 over energy with all kinds of elements in it and they celebrated it like it was the moon landing
00:47:06.480 like it was a treaty in a war maybe it was and then you have premier smith saying she's going
00:47:12.260 to appeal a decision by an alberta court to toss out her referendum legislation referendum for
00:47:18.780 separation because there was no consultation with first nations like which which daniel smith is the
00:47:24.920 real daniel smith i know you think she's a separatist but she's not um this is definitely
00:47:33.660 in keeping with her if you know her uh and it's not because she's uh um standing on the separatist
00:47:40.440 side she says that the uh the judge's decision is incorrect in law and that is why she is is
00:47:47.900 fighting it uh i've spoken to constitutional scholars like dwight newman who agree that
00:47:53.800 Justice Leonard is completely off base of where the Supreme Court has been, and that this is more
00:48:01.340 of a political decision than a legal one. So, look, I haven't read the full decision, but when
00:48:07.320 you know Danielle Smith, what she's doing makes sense. On the deal with Carney's side, a part of
00:48:15.260 that that hasn't been talked about yet is that every single premier is going to come to Carney
00:48:21.300 saying oh they're going to get an effective uh industrial carbon tax of 130 dollars per ton by
00:48:28.260 2040 as opposed to 170 dollars a ton by 2030 we want one too david eby has already taught uh come
00:48:37.020 out saying hold on this creates an uneven landscape and you can be sure that quebec ontario
00:48:43.300 saskatchewan they're all going to say the same thing yeah no for sure and they're entitled to
00:48:47.720 do so it's just on the decision i've read it and i've talked to constitutional lawyers about it
00:48:53.380 like there's a constitutional requirement to consult with first nations on substantial
00:48:59.620 legislative change or governmental decisions regulations you're supposed to consult with
00:49:05.780 them that is the law that is the supreme court's decision multiple decisions over many years and
00:49:11.600 she didn't do that. So my expectation is that the decision will be upheld. I think she's foolish to
00:49:18.740 announce she's appealing it. I could understand the separatist group appealing it, and they've 0.96
00:49:22.600 announced they're doing that. But when she loses, then what? I mean, hasn't she kicked a hornet's
00:49:27.940 nest here by playing with this stuff? Well, look, there's a pile of different issues that are being
00:49:35.040 put forward on these different referenda. So it's not just the separatist one. There is a referendum.
00:49:40.920 There is a question on staying in Canada, the pro-Canada referendum question.
00:49:47.520 So it's not just the separatist question that is up for grabs here.
00:49:53.400 So there's a lot of reasons that she would appeal this.
00:49:57.660 And knowing her as I do, not surprised at all.
00:50:02.400 Okay, next thing, while we still got you on the line, hantavirus.
00:50:06.040 so as usual it looks like and i say this as somebody who's pro-vaccine and you know pro-public
00:50:12.800 health and i know you are as well but you know governments are again doing what they did in
00:50:17.660 coronavirus it's saying you know don't worry and then two hours later a story comes out about how
00:50:23.840 you know the the virus that started on that cruise ship is spreading um like they just really hurt
00:50:30.760 their credibility by not being straight with people what's your take on what's taking place
00:50:35.600 mainly in the west but it's now across canada uh what uh what i've been reading and hearing from the
00:50:44.720 the public health officials that uh are saying is that the it's a very different virus and that
00:50:51.440 unlike coronavirus which was a new and novel virus this is one that they've been dealing
00:50:56.240 with for years correct uh there have been outbreaks and so there's no need to to panic
00:51:02.240 the way that we did in uh with covet so uh you know i'm not worrying about it at this point and
00:51:12.080 you know whether it's isaac bogosh or dr j about a chariot down in uh the u.s um you know they're
00:51:20.160 all saying this is not 2020 early 2020 again um with this one we have experience and a clue
00:51:29.200 but it's just on the communications of it it would be you know my impression is it would be easy for
00:51:37.040 your joe and jane front porch for your average citizen to be a little confused about what the
00:51:43.040 reality is and it's it's governments and public health officers who are doing that and that's
00:51:48.240 what engendered so much cynicism and conspiracy theories you know six years ago and like they're
00:51:55.640 doing the same thing again. I just would thought, I would have thought they wouldn't have learned
00:51:59.060 the lesson of COVID. That's the phrase I never want to hear because I heard it in 2020. We
00:52:06.320 learned the lessons of SARS. Clearly they didn't. And if they tell me they learned the lessons of
00:52:11.640 COVID, I won't believe them. As I said, this is the difference between then and now. That was a
00:52:19.060 novel virus. No one had seen it. So this is a virus that we know where it comes from. We know
00:52:24.360 how to treat it um it's it's a very different scenario okay so it kind of came in and out there
00:52:31.180 maybe i'll end it here but brian's insight and wisdom comes through shining despite the bad
00:52:38.280 phone connection so um thank you so much my friend for trying um this week and for your
00:52:44.480 insight in alberta and hantavirus and now you guys go back to enjoying yourselves on the dock
00:52:49.000 Thank you.
00:52:50.320 Talk soon.
00:53:19.000 We'll be right back.
00:53:49.000 And I know what's up for me
00:53:52.400 I am, I am true for love
00:54:00.300 And I can do anything
00:54:03.340 If you're young, I am true for love
00:54:11.480 And I know what's up
00:54:14.440 I should have said the end of my life
00:54:21.320 I should have said the end of my life
00:54:23.540 If you've got a million miles
00:54:44.840 Some way I'll drag you down
00:54:48.220 See you next week.
00:55:18.220 Thank you.