Aurini's Outpost: the Star Wars and Theology Hour
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Summary
Join me and my co-hosts, The Lady Haythorne and John C. Wright, as we discuss Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker. In this episode, we discuss why The Last Jedi is the worst film in the history of Star Wars, and why it was written and directed by John R. Rian Johnson.
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Lord, thy protection, and in protection, strength, and in strength, reason, and in reason, knowledge,
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and in knowledge, truth, and in truth, justice, and in justice, the love of God, and the love
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But what we're going to be talking about tonight, I'm sure we're going to be delving into some theology.
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Specifically, I wanted to start with Star Wars.
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Because, Wright, you are penning a series of posters
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absolutely eviscerating the new movie, The Last Jedi.
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How bad it was grew and grew on me as I pondered and pondered until my ponderer was sore
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I slowly came to the conclusion that it was a deliberate, not just reversal of fan expectations,
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which I sort of don't mind, but a deliberate slap in the face to the fans,
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a deliberate obliteration, deconstruction of every ideal hope and virtue that the original
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movies were playing toward, and in fact, an attempt to destroy the canon.
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Because everything was so badly done that I stopped believing it was done badly by mere
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Rian Johnson, the director, did a film called Brick that I thought was just brilliant,
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But in my analysis, it looked to me as if every single thing for which characters like Luke Skywalker lives
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and almost every character's actions come to nothing,
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and every expectation that's set up comes to nothing.
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thing. It's not a surprise. A surprise is when you go into an Italian restaurant and
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you order the minesterni soup and it's twice as delicious as you thought it was because
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he added oregano or Tabasco sauce. That's a surprise. This was a disaster. You go into
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the Italian restaurant and the waiter throws the soup in your face or there's a dead frog
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in it or something. That's not a surprise. That's just an insult, a trauma. I was traumatized
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about this film. I've been emotionally scarred for life.
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the point of the story is that life has no point.
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of how terrible it was so i i still have some fond memories of the star wars that was you are wiser
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than i i i saw it free of charge on uh well on netflix and it was an evening when i had nothing
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else to do and there was no one else in the room so i thought i could just watch it and i thought
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maybe i could just see what was wrong with it to help me in my own writing of of space office
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because it's in my genre and it was so so much worse than anything i had steeled myself for the
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the blow. But no, I fought the dumb and the dumb won. I was hammered like a tent peg into
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the ground by the sheer stupidity hammer that came leaping out of the screen at me. And
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it was just over and over again, scene after scene. I would analyze it for several hours,
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but I've already done that in my life, and it's on my blog in a 16-part rant that is
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called The Last Straw. This is about The Last Jedi. This is The Last Straw.
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Hey, can I suggest, by the way, everybody should go check out SciFiWrite.com, where John
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Wright has regular blogs, and there's a bunch of links to his books and stuff, his award
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nominated and winning science fiction and fantasy, great guy, so be sure to check him
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out. And by the way, since I have him here, also come check me out on RedPillReligion.com,
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me and the crew, because we've got quite a group going. Sorry. Hey, I'm back, guys.
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We haven't gotten into the theology yet, but we are talking about Star Wars, which
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is the theology of modern America now that we've been trying to work.
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Let me tell you one of the ways the original Star Wars worked is that even though George
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Lucas was, I think, over enamored of Joseph Campbell, a lot of people are.
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Joseph Campbell is at least interesting, and he got the base mythic elements right.
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And so when he did Star Wars, all the base mythic elements were there.
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see there was also a spiritual component implied that was really always there in the first three
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so they stripped it in the original three they stripped it and and material made it a materialist
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concept with the midichlorians which is stupid because otherwise that was a very spiritual film
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and the first three films uh very very very spiritual um um and they like tried to bring
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the supernatural out of it and then they've just gone further than that there is no spiritual
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element and by spiritual I mean things that don't correspond to the laws of
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time and space kids things that are outside that things that matter like
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honor integrity virtue wisdom chivalry please chivalry chivalry is
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controversial because some people get chivalry wrong in my opinion I'd love to
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talk about that sometime but because there's heretical chivalries but yes
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chivalry um uh redemption um um all of these are our spiritual supernatural concepts and moderns
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reject them all and so all they have left is um the will to power the will to succeed the will to
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self-actualize the will to ultimate happiness whatever it is or the ultimate that's all they
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have and they're not even conscious of it but it's all they're able to produce because of their
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It's worse than you said, because not only is that all they have, they have it only in
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terms of a context of where all groups are divided either into the oppressed group, of
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whom nothing bad can be said, and the oppressor group, of whom nothing good can be said.
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So there's no such thing as an honorable enemy.
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There's no such thing as chivalry or honesty between those two groups.
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The oppressed group is allowed to do anything they can under the emergency situation of
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overthrowing the oppressor, and the oppressor group is not allowed a hearing, not allowed to
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respond, not allowed to defend themselves. And that's their worldview. And intersectionalism
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is really the idea that anyone can claim to be a member of the oppressed group,
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except for white, straight male Christians. At the moment, yeah. Although this has been
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played out in other societies in the last century that it wasn't all, yeah. But no, exactly. That
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scapegoating like that and don't forget the scapegoating of religious people
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because that's the way it goes and that's why they were the heroes in last
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Jedi because the idea of a hero cuts against the idea that there is an
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oppressor and oppressed and no good oppressors and no no no bad oppressed
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and if you do see anything resembling a religion or anything else I don't know
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if that ever came up in these films because I haven't seen them all but
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usually this type of fiction this dreck if religion is portrayed at all it's
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just portrayed as a madness and evil and something that has to be destroyed, all of which is
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I was going to say, can't it be argued that the neo-Marxist ideology is their religion?
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It is, and it's an explicitly atheist religion.
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And once you see that, you can't unsee it, because that's actually what's at the core
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I say their first dogma is the dogma that they have no dogmas.
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They pretend they are merely reaching the conclusions that every honest, open-minded
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And so by that dogma, they think that any opposition to them
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Yeah, it's a false-to-facts frame that they use to interpret the world,
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and when the world doesn't agree, they never adjust the frame.
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You know, the movie strikes me as terrible as it is.
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it does have a very very distinct theme to it and this is nihilism yes nihilism the theme is nothing
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matters the theme is there is no story the theme is there is nothing you do will succeed i'm sorry
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i i my insanity is burbling up i apologize for interrupting all that came before was false and
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must be destroyed so that we may progress destroy the past that was the the thing was
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destroy the past destroy the past and obey women there's those two majors no i i i respectfully
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i respectfully disagree while it might seem at first that this is a pro-female feminist propaganda
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piece since all the women's decisions in the movie are stupid and lead to nothing i think if that was
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his intent that it failed to do that we have to obey the world because this is something hey
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We talk a lot about how the alpha girl tries to capture the alpha boy and put him in a
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cage so she can show off that she owns an alpha boy.
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prevents black dude from sacrificing himself.
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That's why we have to burn the Jedi texts.
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The Empire is only a threat because you men believe it's a threat.
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And I noticed that in the very moment when she steals a kiss from the bewildered stormtrooper,
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the bewildered black guy who I call Tweedledim in my rant,
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the iron door guarding their escape-proof hideout is being blown to pieces by the cannon
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that she prevented him from smashing into to stop.
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So while she's talking about how to save all her people, all her people are being killed behind her.
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See, now I'm hearing the laughter, and I'm going to ask you.
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See, I am actually a fan of things like Mystery Science Theater and Riff Tracks, and I am a fan sometimes.
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I can pick it up at any point, start to finish, and love every minute of it, and it's Battlefield
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Earth, that horrific, one of the worst science fiction movies ever made, because it's so
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You discover new levels of badness every time you watch it, and it's hilarious.
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Is there a possibility I could appreciate this film on that level?
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It depends on whether or not you have any affection for the other Star Wars films,
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if you have any if you have any feeling for those the insult against those might diminish your
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your appreciation whereas in battlefield earth battlefield earth is not the sequel to
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uh my favorite film of all time yeah i get you i see you there
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i do recommend battle earth i do i also i also recommend a film called plan nine from outer
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space the black and white film it's uh oh yeah that was the last one that bella lugosi appeared
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passed away, I mean, he rests in peace during the
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for the scenes he had to appear with other actors.
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thing I'll say about it is, I haven't seen both,
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just because having analyzed it completely, there
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is not ten seconds that goes by without something truly awful happening on the
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screen, in the dialogue, or in the action. I mean, just one of the delights of the
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film is every single thing is shot at Dutch Angle. Angles just randomly change
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You throw down a heavy gauntlet, my friend, and yet I challenge you to tell me which ten-second part of
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Play Night from Outer Space is not outrageously bad.
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Well, but it's the part where the black and white police car comes to a halt and then when it halts, it's actually been cut.
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There's a different police car with different markings or where the headstones move when the vampire walks past it.
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It's the part where Vampirella's cleavage is shown on stage for no point than to show it.
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It's the part where the UFOs are shown as spinning a flying saucer disc that looks like someone took a frisbee and spray-panded it silver and hung it from a string.
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They say it's they say it's missile shape. It's it. Oh, never mind. I
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Think we have a bad. Let's have a bad film showdown
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On another sometime I'm another show something but you have to actually go watch battlefield earth with that critical light
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And you're I have seen it and I actually don't want to get into the combat of which is worse because that's that's really if it's not
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Number one is number two or number three. Okay, it's really bad
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But it's a bit, but you can tell those films are bad in a way that I find amusing.
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You can actually get some entertainment from watching this.
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This, but The Last Jedi, I felt was just an insult directed at me, personally,
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because the guy was making fun of the things I like in space opera.
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Not just the things I like in Star Wars, the things I like in science fiction.
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When are we going to talk about the Catholic thing?
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When are we going to talk about the Catholic thing and why Catholics write better long-term
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Since my Catholic ancestors destroyed your pagan ancestors and then just adopted all
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their gear, I'll defer to you and let you speak rather than – I don't have an off-spitch
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when it comes to stopping talking about how bad this film was.
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I think my moment of opportunity passed, but I'll try to go back and recover it. I think it was a remark about submitting to women or a message in the film about submitting to women. I think that's misplaced. It's not about submitting to women that I see in the neo-Marxist culture.
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it is a submitting to what I call feminine mindedness, which is actually an infantile default
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state. Women who actually are mature cultivate what I call masculine mindedness, which encompasses
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virtue and logic and reason and all of that. But the feminine mindedness is infantile and psychotic
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and it causes one to succumb to the appetitive part of the self that Plato put forth in his
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tripartite theory of the soul. I think that's what we're talking about here. It's not so much
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woman, it's the feminine-mindedness. Well, let me ask you a question
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as a man to a woman. I've always thought feminism and
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femininity were antithetical to each other. They are.
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Feminism and femininity are not the same thing. Femininity can be expressed
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or a great lady, and she is not necessarily a logician
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or a military commander but she is has great charisma and leadership uh uh would you would
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you equate your view of the feminine only with the appetitive or would you say no no no no
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feminine for the feminine to be mature and and and grow into greatness yeah i want to be clear
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here about what i'm stating feminine mindedness is different from masculine mindedness but
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femininity and masculinity are both mature states okay feminine mindedness is actually something
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that i have observed in uh more primitive organisms okay like in insects we see this in the ant colony
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we see it in the beehive where there's a collective communist sort of um uh structure there and we
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have one feminine hive mind that governs the entire collective this is the same thing we're
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seeing manifest today in the in the alt-left yeah well this is why this is why i'm bringing this up
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because we're seeing the same phenomenon manifest in the mindedness of the current leftist culture
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masculine mindedness seems to be a relatively early arrival we see it in apex predator species
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in specific so it's exclusive to mammals and it's exclusive to the apex predator species among
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mammals so we see this was with wolves we see it with lions go ahead what do you say it's exclusive
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because there are there are territorial hierarchical uh duels between lobsters for example i was just
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reading on jordan peterson on that on that for example uh i'm not familiar with lobsters they
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they might be an apex predator species i'd have to take a look at their behavior and see if it
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conforms to k selected species that's true that's true so they may be an apex predator species that
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are non-mammals but what we see with masculine mindedness are things like um are you are you a
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case selected r selected right right right right case selected versus selected so the the uh the
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high investment in offspring um all those case selected traits i don't need to mention them all
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here but that but that constitutes masculine mindedness and a mature woman who is feminine
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is going to be part of that mindedness she's not going to be part of the the feminine mindedness
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of the the r selected uh you know like an art selected woman will sleep around a case like
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a woman would be like our lady exactly exactly who are basically the same archetype exactly and
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and that's the distinction that i wanted to make because i know sometimes you know we we mix up
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the words femininity or feminism and we attribute they're not the same i don't i i'm not sure how
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much of that I'm entirely on board with, although it's quite provocative.
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One thing I would observe generally is that it certainly is, there is a feminine mindset
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of way of doing things, because when women are in control, I mean, they do so pat through
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Actually, it's interesting to watch women in groups, because then you realize they're
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actually more hierarchical than men are in groups.
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Well, no, see, they'll be a queen bee, and they have subtle ways of gigging each other.
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But she doesn't get to be a queen bee by directly invoking a one-on-one conflict, like a duel where you have a winner and a loser.
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They do it indirectly, and they'll have long memories for waiting for attenuation.
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Well, in a hive, the queen will actually suppress the reproductive capability of her daughter workers and soldiers.
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We see the same thing with the modern narcissistic female.
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If I could interrupt, who also supports abortion and supports contraception?
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The Catholic Church is against, which suppress sexuality.
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Yeah, I know. I just want to illustrate it for the sake of the audience who may not be with us on this.
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But what I've identified is that the narcissistic mother pairs with the absent father.
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So where we see an absence of masculinity in the family or whatever is substituting for the family, we see the narcissistic mother.
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The narcissistic mother is that queen bee personality.
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She will suppress the reproductive capacity of her daughter.
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Her daughter will not be allowed to develop an identity.
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Her daughter will not be able to develop her femininity.
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She becomes an instrument of the mother for the mother's narcissistic supply.
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It's about a boy that's just been crushed under the weight of his single mom.
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and he's you know constantly trying to flee her while also begging for her to tell him what the
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hell to do with himself hey through and i beg you come to a stream with me sometime i want you as a
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guest you're exactly the kind of pagan or whatever i don't even know if you like the word pagan
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i go by heathen yeah okay yeah see i think if he that is somebody who's uneducated and ignorant
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doesn't have any i i understand that um the etymology of the word is different for us
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Anyway, really, I like talking to Sparky all the time.
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Anyway, I'd love to have you on as a guest sometime.
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Viral Journey sent 10 US dollars, and he posted an image on my Discord that I think you'll find interesting, Mr. Wright.
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they actually had really cool models that they landed in
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Not necessarily the future, but if it's science fiction,
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there's got to be some otherworldly or extraterrestrial element in the story
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And the way you create the illusion of verisimilitude
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usually I just have science fiction-flavored props and settings.
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Something like Star Wars is science fiction-flavored.
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uh and uh uh sorry i'm distracted what was the uh warning of first contact oh that wasn't that
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was that was a message for davis yeah yeah sorry sorry um irrelevant so when star so something
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like star trek does usually play fast and loose with the science but it tries to keep it basically
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some explanation of what the limits of magic are
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or heard of it, you're familiar with his system,
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with some difficulty in the brains of the magician,
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a fantasy fan didn't have to stretch his imagination
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so the spells are just a little bit of garbled Latin
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and she establishes whatever she needs for her plot
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which is what you'd actually do if the thing was actually happening.
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Have you ever heard of the fanfic Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality by Eliezer Yudkowsky?
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Okay, Eliezer Yudkowsky is an artificial intelligence research...
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Oh, I'm familiar with him. He and I actually exchanged some words over the internet a few years back.
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Anyway, he writes this fan fiction of Harry Potter where Harry Potter isn't an ignoramus,
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One of the things he does is, because it's all gold coins in Magic Universe,
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so he starts an exchange operation for British pounds to make himself a millionaire.
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He uses a time turner to solve every single problem in the world,
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and he even messes with the time turner to try and figure out what the limits of this thing's abilities are.
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He does a genetic study to figure out whether or not the mudblood hypothesis is accurate or not.
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anytime you do that you're going to get the same kind of
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as a result you're going to leave the fantasy world
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You don't have to tell me. I know how to make up a magic system
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But I'm just saying that I think you've got to give
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I hate to be a wet blanket and turn into a Catholic,
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who's definitely worth knowing if you're interested
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lie. He may have been misinformed, but otherwise
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you know what the ship titled it the ship titled harry potter harry potter and the narcissist's
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special snowflake son he said he says that he says that those that there's kids running around
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playing uh uh uttering those incantations and that they do things and that they're not necessarily
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good things at all and i have and i have noticed that for many young people harry potter's almost
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become their substitute for a bible is the only that's because well i don't problem with magic
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in general is and this is not what hate room does the problem with magic problem with harry potter
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is it's actually a story about narcissism it's a single mom living off of government welfare
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making up stories about how her retard son is actually a special snowflake genius and everything
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works exactly for harry potter because he's special and he deserves it because he has a
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How is it different from half the myths and half the adventure stories out there?
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They're all about a person who is special, either because he is born great, he achieves
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greatness, or he has greatness thrust upon him.
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Some people stumble upon him, some people don't.
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Now, if a guy's accomplishments are not well-earned and there's no drama there, I'd agree with that.
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But I'm not sure that's the case for Harry Potter.
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Well, let me ask this question. You guys are probably a lot better versed on Harry Potter than I am.
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Is any kind of divine parentage attributed to his father?
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More like an emulous idea of fate seems to be...
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Like the heroic myths that we see in the ancient Greece of ancient Norse and so forth.
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I'm really surprised, of course, Harry Potter is a Christian analogy.
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I'm going to stand by the honor of Father Ripperger, who, by the way, I have a friend
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who's a professional witch who hasn't commented on this specific matter, but will tell you
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that the same thing that Father Ripperger tells you is that when you are saying incantations
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in some language that you don't even know and you think it doesn't mean anything, it
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still has potential enormous spiritual power and is dangerous to play with and
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it's irresponsible for them to put that stuff in those books I agree with that
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as a witch you have one right here with you too the ones but the ones in the
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books are just make we've left they're not really incantations taken from any
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real force father Ripperger either lies which I don't think or read something
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crazy but he says he heard he saw he read an interview where she says that's
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Maybe so, but he's not here to be for me to cross the end of it.
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But you have someone here who does practice this.
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The intention is part of this and the vibration.
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And that can be done through scribing, through spelling, through singing, through chanting.
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It's impressing the matter with vibration and intention.
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so yes even a child playing in ignorance if he has intention and he is vibrating something he
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can bring something into being one thing you and i talked about hey through was the the ouija board
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on the one hand it's nothing but a stupid piece of cardboard made up by milton bradley
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but if you have a demonic possession case the first thing you do is burn the ouija board because
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that's a dangerous even though it's nothing but a useless piece of cardboard it's still a portal
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Right, it's a means by which something can come in
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So there's a reason why we good Christians are not allowed to
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Because there, there actually is a connection to the divine
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well let's if i may there's there's etymology that supports this right um the word word for
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example shares a relationship with word w-y-r-d or w-y-o-r-d in in um old english right which
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refers to fate right bending fate twisting fate again impressing the material with one's intention
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We Christians believe that God spoke the universe into being
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But prayer and magic are functionally the same thing.
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Prayer and magic are functionally the same thing.
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And this is why, even though all of the words in Harry Potter are absolute nonsense faux Latin,
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they are very powerful because they're borrowing from that, the racial memory we have.
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If the kid gets interested in real magic and real occultism because of the glamorization of Harry Potter,
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And there's certainly, I believe, that the air is peopled by spirits,
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half of whom are benevolent, or I should say a third and a third,
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I agree it can lead to a dangerous area, but other than that.
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When people get involved with magic, in most cases, it's people trying to get something for nothing, right?
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Which is really funny because all magic involves sacrifice.
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Will end my my entire commentary on this because it's not what we're here. We're not here argue about it
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video called conference on exorcism by father ripper chair, who is very very very well respected in mainstream as a
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Full-time exorcist a lot of people's in the church
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source him he's got an hour and a half on this and
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and uh i'm gonna at least be backing up what she's saying for the most part is playing with any of
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this like that is inherently dangerous and there's a lot of kids doing it and it it's not it is not
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inherently harmless it's not that it's automatically it's just you're playing you're letting the kids
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play with matches that's what tell you but in any case you don't have to agree just that's that's
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The only point I disagree with is I don't think Harry Potter is real occultism.
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If you have your kids playing with tarot cards and playing with Ouija boards, that stuff
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I think steps under the line and you're opening yourself up to things you don't know about.
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You don't know what the powers are that you're trifling with.
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It's not about the particular words, though, is what I'm saying.
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You could make up nonsense words, but as long as you are impressing the material basis with
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With intention and vibration, you are working magic.
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And this is my issue with the magic in Harry Potter,
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is unlike Lord of the Rings, unlike C.S. Lewis's Narnia Chronicles,
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the magic in Harry Potter serves the ego of the protagonist.
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In those other works, magic often humbles the protagonists.
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That is one of the problems with magic in Harry Potter.
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It's best summarized by that game of Quidditch, I think it's called.
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Where one guy gets all the points by doing one thing.
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No real sports game would be designed that way.
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But the author designs it that way because Harry Potter is a special snowflake and he gets to be important.
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You can see why this becomes the ears at religion for the modern age.
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It's got all the earmarks of what the cry bullies or what Hederon said was the feminist mindset have in mind.
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And this is why you still see adult Democrats using Harry Potter metaphors all the time.
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Well, consider how without – when you turn your back on the Christian religion and on the rest of the Western civilization,
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They can only speak of intelligent and unintelligent.
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So all they can do is say that their opponents are stupid.
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And they do this over and over again, no matter who it is.
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They said it about Ronald Reagan in this day about Donald Trump.
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Even if the guy is an extremely wealthy and successful businessman, which takes quite a brain to accomplish.
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Or they merely speak of people as being unsympathetic, as if sympathy was the whole of the law when it came to morality.
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Well, sophistication has come to replace practical wisdom.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I do agree that they replace facts with theory,
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and if the facts don't match the theory, the facts have to change.
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A thousand years ago, a farmer was wiser and more knowledgeable in terms of the practical
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We've made our language so sophisticated to the point that an intellectual can say something very complicated without saying anything.
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But a farmer who worked the land, worked with his hands, you couldn't con him.
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He knew a true thing from a false thing because he lived in harmony with nature.
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He was in contact with it, even if he was illiterate.
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And in fact, I think in many cases, a man was better served by being illiterate.
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if he was a third function uh individual this is this is under the old european tripartite uh social
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structure um in many cases they were illiterate but they were what they were wiser and more
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knowledgeable in in practical matters in natural law they knew what was true from what was false
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what was uh what was good from what was evil they knew this by ex by empirically experiencing the
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natural world. They knew you can't eat your unseen corn, and they knew you can't consume
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a plant before you plant it, which modern economists don't know. Right.
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I also noticed there wasn't a huge divide between what the common man believed and what,
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at least in the Middle Ages, the most intellectual intellectuals believed. Thomas Aquinas, if you
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walked outside and talked to an illiterate farm boy, would agree on the basic view of the world
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that they both shared, but modern intellectuals have set their caps against the common man.
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In fact, one of the things I've noticed, and because I do, I mean, ultimately this
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is the cultural Marxist project that's been dominating, which I believe to be Luciferian
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and Origen, ultimately, but it becomes increasingly obvious that at least as it expresses here
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in the west um um marxism is literally bizarro orthodox christianity it's like it was it is like
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opposite of every it's like a bizarre every christian value and practice is either you know
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explicitly uh is like warped right like racism actually is a sin well you know uh sexism of the
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The type that holds that one is superior, inherently, in God's eyes to the other would
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What they do to it is this bizarro twisting, backwardizing, and it's like the further they
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go along this line, the more they just look like freakish anti-Christians.
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They have to change the vocabulary in order to express themselves to do that.
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All they do is take something bad, like fornication, and use a phrase that sounds good, like free
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that's that's good like learning from other cultures and use a phrase that
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makes it sound bad like cultural appropriation yeah it's it's all about
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inverting the natural order and natural law which which I would presume I don't
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want to presume but presume that a Christian would see as God's law God's
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law is natural law and natural law is God's law Thomas Aquinas gave us Thomas
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natural law people are still using it so you sound like a Catholic right with
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everything you've said so far well you you may find that uh folkish heathens are are more congruent
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with what you observe yeah i think so because because basically catholics are heathens who
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converted oh here we go we're not we're not an alien culture no no well john c right you've
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pointed out that heresies always come in pairs and the pair heresy to to communism to marxism
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I've come to true, especially corporate libertarianism,
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as just completely intellectually, morally bankrupt.
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I will grant you that the objectivism, if you mean libertarian, if you mean the doctrine of Ayn Rand that also proposes the metaphysics and the moral code, I'll grant you that.
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I don't want to pick nits here, but there's a certain element of our society that we can all see where love of money and ignorance of consequences and alienation of the individual, where the individual is nothing but economic unit.
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That's the thing. Marxism views you as nothing but an economic unit.
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We're only arguing about which heresy is paired with which at this point.
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Because in my essays, I call that the worldly man.
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And in science fiction's fields, Bob Heinlein is kind of the exemplar of that libertarian free love.
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I record that paired with the opposite of mysticism, which is kind of the new-agey stuff
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that really has nothing to do with real old-fashioned solid paganism, if I may be so bold as to
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But I think the authoritarianism of communism and the—I think communism and Nazism are
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They're basically the same thing, spring from the same root.
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And I would say that the worldliness and spiritualism are the two opposites that break away from
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I think all these things are heresies or devaluations or a heresy is not an error.
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A heresy is when you take one part of an organic whole, you take one finger of the hand and
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you say, this is the primary finger and all the other fingers are unimportant.
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You just exaggerate, you distort a face by making the nose as big as a cassava melon.
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just said you just disregard that right you use them to fight the other features
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yeah it's a distortion of truth that is inherent in nature and yeah I was gonna
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say something oh about the whole motive behind all of this I I believe that it
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is to reduce man to an animal man to to to to draw him down to to literally sink
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him into the appetitive aspect of the soul that that level of consciousness
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Becoming an atheist who accepts that you are merely a walking ape of a certain sophistication
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and a free thinker actually makes you easier to manipulate.
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To not only become an economic unit, but to see yourself and all others as economic units as well.
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You know, I see this all around me in, I won't call them relationships, I call them conspiracies.
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These conspiracies that people enter into, in which one projects a fantasy onto the other in order to exploit that individual for some kind of gain that only gratifies an appetitive desire that they have.
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many of these masquerade as friendships they masquerade as marriages which is absolutely
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horrific particularly when children are brought into the midst of that and um and have to come
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up in the presence of it they have neither a mother or father are you are you quite sure
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you're a pagan because you sound just like tom sequin i i am quite sure of what i am i i was
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I said I'm quite sure I was called by my lady Freya when I was 18 years old.
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I have been an acknowledged heathen for many years,
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and I am absolutely devoted to the ways and beliefs and troth of my ancestors.
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Excellent. But have you read Thomas Aquinas? Because you do sound a lot like him.
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Within the Western tradition, he is often considered for bringing natural law into the entire legal system and into how we do science.
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And he kind of wedded Aristotle into the Judaic metaphysical background.
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Okay. Well, I have read Aristotle, and I do consider myself an Aristotelian in terms of my ethical view.
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There you go right there. There you go right there. St. Thomas Aquinas.
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Basically, yeah. Basically, he's an Aquinian, too.
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Okay. Well, then that makes sense. That's where I got it from.
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I said the wrong word. Basically, Aquinas is an Aristotelian.
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Well, Jeremy sends another super chat, and he says,
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And I have actually seen now how the cultural Marxists currently in charge in places like Hollywood have totally expropriated Star Trek.
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And he's part of their how you do things, Joseph Campbell.
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So, but they do it poorly because in the end there's not that much to Joseph Campbell.
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And they're just explicitly, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought.
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Joseph Campbell basically had a, the reason it gave his monomyth theory such power is that it was simplistic.
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But the myths themselves get their power from the religious background, from the pagan religious background,
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that gives those stories their impact to the human psyche.
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And we know now that Joseph Campbell, whether they know it's there or not, is going to copy some of that power.
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I myself think that's what happened with George Lucas.
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When he did Star Wars, he was trying to do Buck Rogers.
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Well, Buck Rogers, for as simple as it is, has a rather basic moral core to it.
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which if you copy it you copy over the moral core without noticing it and had
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it had a great appeal so and the one horse is basically just the kind of
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idea that almost all religions have in common so it has a very bright appeal
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and they don't have to fill in any details they don't get into any
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theological disputes about how it actually works but it just has a flavor
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just has enough there's just enough of the force of stars to give it a flavor
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of the wider universe that the material universe is only a part of you know
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And in Star Trek, what happens is the socialist elements in early Star Trek are almost submerged,
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and the guy who did it, Roddenberry, used to do cop shows.
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So a lot of his instincts, the part of him that was not intellectual, his instinctive part,
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You could still have a James Kirk, which you can't have.
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But you can't have James Kirk anymore because there's no heroes, there's no leaders, and there's certainly no white men.
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Masculine men. There's no swaggering masculine men.
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I think one of the great things about science fiction is that even flawed men can write about the virtues of their ideology.
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John C. Wright, you have an excellent critique of Heinlein, which I agree with.
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But at the same time, Heinlein, he is so wonderfully heroic.
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He really embodies that practically-minded engineer of an American man that's just going to go out onto the frontier, and he's going to fight the bullies, he's going to tame nature, and he's going to take care of his women's vote.
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And which is funny, which is funny because his intellect and his heart also didn't quite agree.
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In my essays, I refer to it as a philosopher has a daemon that inspires him,
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And some people's muses are smarter than their daemons.
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By which I mean, Heinle knew how to portray heroism when his editors got him to cut out all of his theorizing about male and female.
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But when he got too big to edit, his juveniles, which are all wonderful, turned into his seniles, which are terrible.
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But even at their worst, there's still page-turners, and there's still a vision of heroic masculinity in them that is very appealing to the young man.
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But what he preaches doesn't actually match up with the results that he portrays.
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And I believe the same thing is true with Ayn Rand.
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I believe the same thing is true with Dean Roddenberry.
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What they preach is not actually what they're portraying on stage.
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Season 1 and 2 of Star Trek The Next Generation
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did those shows start to pick up a little energy
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And you know the influence of that was a man named Ronald E. Moore
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and why Battlestar Galactica, which he was blind with, was very spiritual.
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I think he's been crushed because of it at this point.
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But what I've seen the materialists are doing, the scientismic, naturalist, cultural Marxists,
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literally are very hard trying to make Star Trek and Star Wars a new Joseph Campbellian mythology
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They're trying to turn the heroism and the glory of those stories into something that will serve their political purposes and preach their political point of view.
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And that's all they want to control the narrative.
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These ideological or what I consider to be spiritually possessed people, they mix lies with the truth, and that's how they corrupt people.
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They get them to swallow the lie that's been wrapped up in the truth.
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But earlier when someone said that they thought that this had its roots in the satanic, in the demonic.
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They said that earlier Max Colby said that Marxism has its roots in the diabolical, that Satan is behind it.
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And I wondered how a pagan agrees that Satan is doing something because he's a fallen angel from our mythology.
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Well, I can see past what I call the lens that's on the truth.
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Various religions, to me, are just masks on the face of the truth.
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They're all referring to the same archetypes when you start to examine these figures referenced.
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we find singularity uh for example the name mary uh in the christian tradition has its origin in
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the egyptian name mir which means beloved and then if we take a look at frigg for example who
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is the wife of odin in the norse mythology that also interprets as beloved we're talking about
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core archetypes that are ancient that predate any kind of organized religion so when i'm
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looking at these things i'm looking at the core archetypes i'm looking at the core truths there
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and yes i see marxism as satanic because what is satanic is that which is opposed to nature that
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which is trying to invert the creation and the natural order excellent okay
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well i've always viewed the the core of satanism of the satanic principle being the rebellion
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refusing to accept one's position in the universe one's lot in life and to rebel against it to try
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and cheat to engage in usury to engage in manipulative magic what it looks like to me
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is specifically going on um and there's a number of sources i find credible that that really do
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think this um if you look at the at the the uh the spiritual practice of theosophy um
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look up madame blavatsky and the few of her fellows and their specific luciferian doctrine
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whether people are the whether there's you can call what's going on the specific theosophist
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or not the luciferian doctrine is what's most visible and it's this very subtle and very evil
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corruption of the uh of the christian uh story of eden which is that it's basically you know
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there's adam and eve there's the serpent um but the serpent is the good guy because in the christian
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telling um adam and eve are forbidden from eating from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil this
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is an important distinction because it means that when they they ate from the fruit of the tree
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they became able to know good from bad until they did that they did not know that um and and in the
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christian telling the serpent fooled them into that um making them vulnerable to sin now in the
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And the Luciferian telling, it's the same tale, except God has forbidden them from eating
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And the evil God, and the evil God, the evil God doesn't want them to have the knowledge
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And then the evil God punished them for finding out the truth, and the real mission is you've
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lucifer is the light bringer who brings knowledge and enlightenment and uh this doctrine you can
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see actually meshes very well with a lot of nietzschean thinking because it ultimately still
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winds up being an inversion of christianity in a number of ways because in embracing ultimate
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selfishness and embracing every hedonistic desire is considered good and it's only the sheep of the
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world who really deserve to be slaughtered anyway um if you can derive pleasure from harming them
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that's fine what's funny is they deserve it christians are sheep remember i mean it's it's
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very and this is all out there i'll give you references if you need it there's nothing new
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under the sun this is gnosticism this goes back to a a heresy that may be first century christian
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or it may be i believe the nonsense actually has older roots in it does jewish that goes way way
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back to this idea of an inversion where light is darkness and darkness is light and you alone are
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free from the uh structures that bind everyone else because you can disobey them and elevate
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yourself to a higher plane because of your special snowflake and notice how easily that ties into
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every modern every modern myth of the narrative that people tell about both politics and metaphysics
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and religion these days well here's a question that i would throw out and this is just based on
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an interpretation of the genesis story i'm not gonna make a claim as to whether or not
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this interpretation is correct but um do you believe consciousness is a good thing for humans
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to have or not actually let me you know that there was a very interesting interpretation
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of genesis by c.s lewis do you know where i'm going davis i do know where you're going
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okay sorry i've got a two-part answer for you okay so the first thing that c.s lewis points out
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is that the the tree of uh the tree of knowledge was not going to be forbidden for us to us forever
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it's that we weren't ready for it yet and we jumped the damn gun and it's it's a reflection
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on the fact that yes consciousness is good and yet we can barely deal with it in fact it terrifies
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people so much that many of them choose to become unconscious animals again please note also this
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the serpent did not take tempt uh eve the mother of life human life by saying this will make you
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uh conscious he said this will make you like unto god yep that was the motive also has a part to
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play yeah the motive also has a part to play in what the in what the crime was hang on hang on
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hang on a second what what language what what language are we referencing here because um now
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Now, granted, I'm not a Bible scholar, so I'm going to defer to those here who are.
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But was not the reference to Elohim, which is plural, which is gods, like unto the gods?
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That's what I said. Like unto the gods. That's what I said.
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Okay, but gods, plural, is not the same as God, the source, the singularity.
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No, Elohim in the Christian tradition is accepted as one of the names for God, period.
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But it's plural. That is not the same as Yahweh.
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In the Jewish language, one of the nuances of the speech was that you would speak yourself in the plural if you were an august being like a king.
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I mean, everything that ends in Im is plural in Hebrew.
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and in hebrew it was a it was a tradition that if an elevated being like a king was speaking he
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would refer to himself in the plural whoa wait like the royal we like the royal week like the
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royal way okay that's right well i'm i'm i'm not sure that that that it is um wise for us to make
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that interpretation because juda judaism was originally polytheistic all right can i can i
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this is my this is my area because i'll tell you what this is just now we're getting down to uh
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arguing over different religious traditions okay the orthodox christian tradition um it has always
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been referred to pretty much exactly like that more like a royal way it's also been viewed by
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many that it is one of many um uh uh one of many non-explicit references to the trinity that are in
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the testament um and so uh and there's quite a bit of quite a bit of i mean jews don't like
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that interpretation they're not required to they don't read those books right as far as we're
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concerned right and then they could you know you can go talk to a jew i have jewish rabbi friends
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will just say yes you're wrong okay me it's an argument between traditions all this discussion
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is to one side it still doesn't change the question of what was eve being tempted to do
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was she being tempted merely to become conscious or she attempted to become conscious so that she
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could be divine that's a good answer too yeah there is a human state beyond what her beyond
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what her nature was well let's let's clarify there um was she was she being tempted to become
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unconscious or was she being tempted to become omnipotent i i don't know that divine and omnipotent
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are the same thing because because for example she's still being asked to disobey the source of
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all good divinity divinity there then is different for we heathen because uh our gods there there are
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interpretations that our gods were once mortals who became gods they became gods by worthing
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themselves and becoming conscious so yeah we also have saints who have divine powers but they didn't
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but you but even your divinities didn't become gods by by acts of disobedience no no i just i
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just wanted to be explicit there because you were using the term to become divine and i don't know
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that that seeking to become divine is a disobedience to to natural law however i think there is an
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agreement that there's something in the nature of man that is not in accord with the universe
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and that this is why we need religion we need to become in accord with the universe and if
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we leave ourselves to our own devices we go completely astray what i would just say is that
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from an orthodox christian perspective that we've been reading it this way for 2 000 years so this
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is just how we read it john is ultimately correct as the scriptures are interpreted
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the serpent specifically stated eat that and you will become like god um and so yes you're right
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he was that was the real temptation uh but um and absolutely so but it was and then of course
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so it was a trick the serpent lied to her and by the way adam wasn't adam the smarter
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one wasn't there to protect her um um that's one of many many many uh uh nuances to that text um
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kind the mother was a cunt and the father was a pussy and that we are all tempted to be that
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every single woman out there is tempted to be a domineering harridan and every single
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man out there is tempted to be a go along get along submissive
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you've just described the modern west yes absolutely
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Which is why one of the modern ones is so dead set against humanity.
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And if you think about it, it's also dead set against notable pagans.
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The more honest pagans among us is also dead set against everything you stand for, too.
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I draw fire from both the alt-right and the alt-left.
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I often tell Arrini, the left is left and the right is left.
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Their two heads are the same, of the same hydra.
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The heart of the hydra is the same in both the alts.
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They're godless. They rail against anybody who speaks to matters of natural law and truth
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and what I consider to be true conservatism, which is, you know, observing natural law.
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So, yeah, I draw fire from both sides as a heathen. I'm used to it.
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We've been on the show for now. We haven't mentioned why any of us converted to what we converted to.
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Was that going to, we were going to address that or were we going to, or was we going to talk about that?
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I usually go for about an hour, an hour and a half or two hours.
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No, in fact, I told everybody, I told everybody, I thought this was why we're Catholic.
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Okay, first, on a very deep spiritual level, I truly prefer to be called Max.
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And it's kind of absurd to me, but you can call me, Dean, if you want.
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She's got to play Max, otherwise I won't know who she's talking to.
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I'm in a movie called The Red Pill, which is very good.
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But there's a lot of Luciferian jerks in there.
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I'm in a movie called The People vs. George Lucas.
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well max i will refer to you as max going forward no problem at all um so uh what was it
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what was it why did why did you convert this to a pagan religion like catholicism
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why who asked that oh i haven't been asked that i've been asked that i actually i actually
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consider sola scriptura to have devolved protestantism into a functional sort of pagan
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stoicism uh i i because i think i i why i became catholic first i had to overcome my atheism
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um and that was actually really hard because i was my brain was wrapped up in so much material
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as thinking i think i was genuinely ensorzled um because when you're all when the belt finally
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snapped loose and i realized how well anyway when i realized i had to be a god there had to be a god
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then became my search and uh you know i i had studied religion and existence before i studied
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them all i talked to a lot of religious people i talked to a lot of orthodox jews who are really
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smart and interesting and helped me understand it's perfectly rational to think there's a god
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um and and the bottom line is what i asked myself is where is okay i'm probably christianity is
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what's calling me and at the time for it was in it was like i said you know what choosing it for
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I believe all religions must have some truth but choosing a religion culture and family reasons are not invalid reasons
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And so I'm going to have to become probably become a Christian
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And so if I'm going to become a Christian, I'm going to take it seriously and what I want to see
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One of the reasons I became an atheist. We've got some noise in the background or something
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Is that is that you are any sometimes you have echo mr. Wright
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Okay, so I'm sorry, how I got here, what I essentially decided is, I mean, I actually
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entered the church not 100% sure what exactly I thought about Jesus, but what I said, all
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right, but I'm going to commit to Christianity. I'm going to try my best to commit to this
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path so then the question was what kind of christian and i had grown up in a mostly
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not religious home up until their age of roughly eight nine ish says sand maybe um
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and i was a child of of divorce and abuse and neglect um but whatever uh the suddenly at the
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age of roughly eight or nine my stepfather decided we're you know we're going to straighten
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out these family problems we're going to be presbyterians oh okay um um and uh so uh and
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and my biological father retaliated uh more or less and uh with uh king james and alcoholics
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anonymous and television evangelists on the tv um also spent one year only one year at saint
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rita high school um in uh the early 80s on the south side of chicago um where the monks did make
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an impression. Not always the best impression, although in retrospect, an amazingly strong
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impression. If nothing else, I knew the Catholics were smart. Plus, I spent a lot of time among
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Bible Christians who like to get together in their whatever. But anyway, I got ahead
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of myself. So that was my upbringing. And then by the age of about the age of third, after I got
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done, by my sophomore, junior year, I was like, oh, Christianity is garbage. You can just read the
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Bible yourself and see. Look at all these different interpretations of the same words. These people
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are full of it. It's all biggly, biggly nonsense. And these books, these don't hang together. They
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just made, they all just make up their own interpretations. And the Catholics just have
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the the longest that's and that's how i was and then i got into some new agey shit for a while
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i'm sorry i don't know if you swear on here um new agey stuff for a while um uh and then finally
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was just i i got swayed and pulled into the atheism cult uh started by the popularizer pen
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gillette and i um i got attracted to so-called skepticism and uh i read all the the books that
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were all the rage among the technorati in the late 90s and early 2000s. I was reading Steven
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Pinker and Kurtzweil and all those, Hofstadter and all those modern materialist thinkers,
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plus all my science fiction choices. I went for the so-called hard science fiction, so I liked
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Asimov, Heinlein, Clark. I wouldn't call Heinlein the materialist, but Asimov and Clark
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absolutely um and so my brain was stuck in that above and i came out of it and and said okay
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which version of christianity has the best claim on being the early church like the original like
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which one because all these people have their ways of interpreting it and well i know the catholics
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are obviously wrong about a lot of it but still who and i got to look at everybody and my actual
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journey it's the evangelicals and it's the king james guys you know um and and the people and
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some of them are very good people okay but like the mennonites and those guys are such awesome
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people they're just so horrible wrong on things but i know god loves them i know our lady loves
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them but um the uh my research actually led me to eastern orthodoxy um and something called
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the orthodox wiki which you can still go to it is an amazingly wonderful thing orthodox wiki
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um because that is about what today are called um the pan orthodox maybe i'll just uh pull up
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orthodox wiki it's it's worth spending time on if you're a catholic or if you're a heathen and want
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to know more about how christians see the early faith there's four major lines of christianity
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that can all credibly say they have valid apostolic succession
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and and you can make a case for the anglicans there's just a dispute over it and a few others
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but these four main lines um uh stretching from uh originating from assyria alexandria
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constantinople and rome all have have the strongest possible cases they schismed from each other
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um i'm i'm less interested in fact than in the eastern orthodox who only split in in uh 1054
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traditionally um or somewhere around there um i'm even more fascinated i was more fascinated always
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by the oriental orthodox and the assyrian orthodox um because they split off in the fifth
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in the four in the 400s the assyrian orthodox in particular um because uh uh in like 425 i think
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and it was a dispute um one of the interesting positive aspects i would say of vatican ii
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um and other things that happened among others of these four main branches is that um literally
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theological disputes between that were they were 1500 years old with the assyrians and when the
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orthodox were resolved within the last century and now all four of these who splintered off in the
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fifth century and then in the the 10th or 11th whatever you would call that um they all recognize
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that everybody there is valid as christians and which had not been the case before and a lot of
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the like the historian dispute heresy for example in case you've ever heard of it was resolved it's
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it's no nobody's being accused of being a historian anymore um all four of these major
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branches could credibly claim at least to the fourth century and it doesn't much take much
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work to say well and actually that's strong evidence for stuff in the third century and
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then you look at stuff in the third century and the second orthodox christians believe
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in the heavenly host the saints in heaven and believe in intercessory prayers for them they
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They believe in the host of angels and asking for intercessory prayers for them.
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And they all revere the Blessed Mother of God, the Theotokos, the Holy Virgin Mary, who I'm consecrated to myself, is the Queen of Heaven.
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Their priests are ordained by men called bishops who all can validly say that their orders derived from the book of Acts when the apostles laid hands upon, I forget his name, to make him one of them.
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What all of them believe is that we've been in apostolic succession through ordination that way from the book of Acts onward.
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None of us believe in sola fide, at least not in the way it's usually formulated or interpreted.
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All of us believe in the sacraments, in the Eucharist, in infant baptism, in the sacrament of confirmation, in the sacrament of confession and reconciliation, in the Eucharist, that it is the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, the real presence of the Lord God there.
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all of us believe all these things and then I looked at the Protestants and
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said yeah the problem is sola scriptura I'm done and then it was only a question
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of which branch of Orthodoxy was I going for and ultimately what one of the day
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for me is I really do think the keys were given to Peter though you can argue
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that you know maybe Peter has taken that a little too far but some might say
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that, and there was Thomas Aquinas, there was Chesterton, there was the entire intellectual
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tradition, there was the monks at St. Rita and Father David Brecht, I pray for his soul in heaven.
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That's why I'm Catholic. Listen, let me get to some super chats really quickly.
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Billy the Conqueror sends two U.S. dollars and comments,
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The sun unaccompanied itself cannot be looked at or be blinded,
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but the moon can be looked at in company of the stars.
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There seem to be a lot of people in the comments section
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that are obsessing over form rather than function,
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is what caused Europe to basically commit cuckoo for 500 years.
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stop sending me that much money god damn it wow that's a generous super chat it is with the
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damn people on the uh on the internet um if sorry if if i may uh ec21 kaku did ask me if i could
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comment on that super chat that he made um i'll be happy to to give my thoughts on it
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uh i i do see a relationship as well between the solar and the lunar and in fact the two weapons
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that i often speak of that i carry and wield as afala are the lamp and the mirror and and those
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are archetypes archetypal symbols of the solar and the lunar i i hope that satisfied your question
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So I'll take a stab at the question. The, you know, my sister-in-law commented years ago, she commented to my brother that, you know, everybody in your family behaves as if they're Catholic.
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So that's interesting. I've always had a strong sense of justice. But I'll tell you, following my own wisdom did not lead me to good places. I made quite the ass of myself, despite the fact that I'm not tempted by the typical venial sins that most people are.
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Nonetheless, left my own devices, I tend to do stupid things.
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I needed to put my sights on something higher.
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And right around that same time, I ran into an ontological proof of the existence of God.
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And running into an ontological proof where the only two answers to the question were God or suicide,
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is, it's quite, it kind of blows the mind a little bit.
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you once said, when you were investigating Catholicism,
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You kept asking questions and asking questions, and at one point, the priest you were speaking to said,
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like, all right, listen, buddy, up until now, we've had an answer for every single question you have.
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Okay, maybe that was a different apologetic I read.
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Well, here's the thing. If I agree with 99% of Catholic morality, and when I look into Catholicism, I always find a good answer. And if there's a little bit to it that goes against my instincts or doesn't quite make sense to me, shut up and get to work.
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and not just an atheist but a vituperative
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I don't think I'd like you if you were any other sort of
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But, without going into the details of the actual conversion experience, I'll just say that my fellow atheists began to embarrass me because they were wrong on every single moral and social issue and every philosophical issue that they addressed.
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And not just wrong, but like boot to the head stompingly wrong.
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Wrong to the point of them abandoning reason and abandoning logic and abandoning truth and abandoning virtue.
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So I was embarrassed to be in their company.
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And the only people who seemed to be making logical arguments, to my shock and surprise, were not just the Christians,
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but the most old-fashioned, conservative, high-bound, reactionary Christians of all.
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the horrible statue-worshipping pagan Christians known as the Catholics
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Now, I had independently, for reasons that have nothing to do with religion,
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come to the conclusion that contraception is a grave moral evil.
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And none of my atheist friends would even try to follow the arguments given
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because they had given up belief in logic for some reason.
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The atheists in the old days actually at least paid lip service to logic,
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So once I was Christian, I had to decide which denomination to go to.
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And I must say I was furious at the Christians for doing this
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because after finding out that you're the son of the king and the queen of the universe,
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you find out they're divorced and they live in different houses
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and they're going to force you to say which guy is going in which.
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I see that Max is now playing solitaire instead of paying attention.
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I did not expect anyone to listen to any of my stories.
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So, as you can tell, in fact, I interrupt everyone all the time,
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So I started looking at the various denominations.
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the exact same arguments against the Catholics
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that the atheists use against the Christians,
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were familiar with what the Catholics said and preached.
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And I seemed to have a very similar mindset to them.
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Because, of course, I was a very logical fellow.
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what the claims were and see if the claims were
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symmetrical, to see if they were claiming similar
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And the Protestant claim is based on the idea
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that the Catholics originally had the mandate of heaven
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and that the Catholics somehow produced the Bible, which was sacred,
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but then didn't have, that the rest of their theology was suspect and corrupt and had to be abandoned.
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But nowhere either in the Bible or in anything else in Christian tradition could I see the mandate that allows you to create your own church.
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and from a legal point of view, if you have a document
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the messenger and you say, well, he altered the document
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that's a different argument and that's more subtle
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Orthodox Church, if you will, or the church before
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because I was convinced that contraception was unlawful
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I couldn't believe that any denomination that accepted divorce was in line with natural law.
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So that eliminated a lot of people right then and there.
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And my whole intellectual process, in the group chat here, I put the link to my,
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I actually wrote it all down, because someone asked me, and it's a rather long process, and I don't want to bore everyone.
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After going through this whole legal process, I eventually reached a point where I said,
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okay, if they don't have apostolic succession, pardon me, my speech box is going,
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I don't see how they can claim to be the one true original church.
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And if they're not claiming to be the one true original church,
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then they have to claim that the authority rests with individual men to create their own churches,
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which is not something the Bible says or reflects.
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I read a thorough history of all the early heresies
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and Protestantism, I hate to say it, fits the pattern
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and the Protestant succession succeeded, you know, and one of the things that was also a tipping point for me
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was the issue of contraception, because before 1930, before Lambert's Concord, in 1930, 1932,
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all the Christian denominations agreed that it was unlawful, and then the Anglicans in the 1930s said,
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well, maybe if you're a married couple and you really love each other and there's extraordinary circumstances,
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You can talk to everybody with your priest or pastor, and then it'll be okay.
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So my choices then were limited to Catholic and Greek Orthodox,
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because they were the ones who seemed to be old enough and firm enough.
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But the Greek Orthodox, and I don't mean to insult my Greek Orthodox brothers,
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looked to me like they were too much like a national church.
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They didn't look to me like they actually had a claim to being the universal church anymore.
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And part of my decision was just emotional, and I hate to admit this,
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because I try to live up to the Vulcan standard of being a completely rational being, but I fail.
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The emotional part was, I'm a man of the West, and so if I wanted to be a member of the church,
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I wanted to be one that's in my culture and that I'm familiar with.
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I wanted to be a member of the same church as Robin Hood and King Arthur.
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So I went to RCIA, and then I was exposed to completely rational arguments.
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The catechism of the Catholic Church was the only thing aside from English common law
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that struck me as having true wisdom and true solidity to it.
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In real life, I find there are some issues that have to be black and white, with no exceptions,
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and other issues where you have to take a very nuanced view and balance a number of competing factors.
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and the ability to distinguish between those two types of principles, the principles where
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you need to have a distributive justice of a balance of multiple factors, distributive
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justice is not the right word, but I'm drawing a blank, and one where it has to be a black
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and white issue where you hold the line and there's no exceptions, to be able to distinguish
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between the one and the other is actually a rather difficult process.
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And I do think that the Anglo-American common law has that in it, and I also saw that when
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read the catechism of the catholic church so i thought that there was wisdom there true wisdom
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divine wisdom uh even if nothing else was was the case and the sola scriptura uh i took to be
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self-refuting the doctrine of solter's cure is not only not found in the bible but more recent uh
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scholarly research into which books uh luther threw out of the bible shows that his method
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deciding to throw them out was based on consulting the jews of his day and age who did not have any
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jewish copies of let's say the wisdom of solomon in the second book of maccabees and so they
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advised him that those books were were put into the uh put into the canon wrongly do you know that
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the books he threw out were the same ones the pharisees threw out because they did not like
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christ well the i was getting that the the people he consulted were the heirs of the pharisees they
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They weren't the heirs of the Sadducees, and they weren't the people that were the heirs of the priesthood class.
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So his biblical scholarship was incorrect, and Martin Luther didn't, as far as I know, raise the dead and heal the sick and comfort the poor.
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He didn't show miracles to show that he was a prophet of God.
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I mean, Mary McCready has a better claim to being a prophet of God than Martin Luther, because at least she performed miracles.
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Okay, so I don't know in what authority he says he can make every man his own pope and every man his own authority
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Sufficient to interpret the Bible correctly. I'm a lawyer
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I would not trust every lawyer to interpret the Constitution correctly and lawyers have studied law
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See, I don't even sure if I trust the Supreme Court once it once it deviates from its its ancient and honorable practice of
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interpreting according to what what precedent says if you see what I'm saying
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we got a super chat from ec2189 kaku saying atheists believing in disbelief
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i think the context was when you were mentioning because i went through the same thing you know
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with atheism as an atheist you study it it's like well you know free market economy seems to be the
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best way to organize society well you know what uh conservatism yeah you need to have children to
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have a society and then you look at the rest of the atheists and they're screaming bloody murder
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Libertarian atheists believe that every man lives for himself
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who has no higher aspirations uh but neither one of them have any both of them are erecting
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a castle in the clouds they don't have any foundation to their beliefs they don't have
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a proper metaphysical foundation for their beliefs they believe they believe that science can tell
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you everything about the material universe but they can't tell you where the human mind comes
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from that is enabled that it enables us to understand uh the reason behind the rational
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universe I mean it if it if you say we just evolved that means our brains are
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just that organ that happens to be useful for promoting procreation it
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doesn't mean that that utility tells us true from false it might tell us useful
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from useless but certainly can't grasp things like abstractions like you know
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triangles or truth or beauty or even mathematical concepts are non-physical
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No one's ever seen a geometrical line. They're infinitely thin. You can't see them with your eye.
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How do you know such a thing exists? How do you know that two straight lines crossing each other have equal opposite angles?
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Seriously, go tell that to Thunderfoot. He will lecture you about how you can see a geographic line.
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He's such an idiot. I mean, he's such a...
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I could rant forever on what the X-Men Apes phenomenon is.
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It must have some length. It must have some breadth, otherwise photons wouldn't bounce off it.
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I've been extremely patient, and it's all been very interesting, but I need to say something to the folks in the chat.
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Look, I know that there are a lot of intense emotions and differing perspectives by everyone who's present,
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but please, people, will you exercise respect when you are speaking to each other in the chat?
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Christian and heathens, you have to recognize
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than they are to the Christians, but they have
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all the heathens and everyone else who's religious
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even those who do not subscribe to a religious faith
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but who are philosophical and orient themselves
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to the highest good um to come together and reason and build bridges so please exercise
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some respect and courtesy in the chat there's a reason i start with that prayer because that's
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a prayer that any man of faith and any man that values truth goodness and beauty can agree with
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that offends no spiritual man and by the way okay let's jump back and i should mention
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when i was an atheist i was not one of these uh i was an atheist who believed that truth was true
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and it was an absolute i'm a philosopher a philosopher is someone who loves truth
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that's just not just it's not just thinking truth is useful to you okay and that was the thing that
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slowly drove me one step at a time away from my atheism because my my sense of logic could not
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reconcile what what my brain told me the universe was supposed to be like a flat material uh a
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machine with no with no hope and no goodness in it with what my with what my eyes saw they so
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there's a lot more the the forces of the devil have have a lot uh they know what we all have
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in common despite our disagreements about about you know what the name of the queen in heaven is
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right right this is why it said that the the devil's the prince of the earth
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If you look at nothing but the material realm, it is hopeless.
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One reason why my philosophy drove me towards theology
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is just people trying to justify their sexual misbehaviors.
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They're looking for excuses so they can commit sins.
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Now, I, as an atheist, didn't have a word sin in my vocabulary,
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I was a flawed atheist but yes even at the time
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almost infinitely, against any modern point of view
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all truth are relative. And I would say, well, what about your truth?
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and say well my point of view is that all points of view are equally valid
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you have to give it equal weight with the point of view
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philosophy boils down to someone trying to make the assertion
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organize their thoughts and their consciousness.
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better than dishonesty, but that's a moral rule
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as to whether intellectual honesty is necessary
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To say that there's no truth requires that you believe in truth in order to say it.
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To argue that the human mind is innately warped by our race and sex and culture never to be logical
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is itself to make a logical argument appealing to our sense of logic.
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We got VRL Journey says U.S. $5 and says Sola Scriptura is borderline idolatry.
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You need to know history and tradition to understand your metaphysical place as a Christian in the present day
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It also about the numerology. Do you see the way they pitch Bible verses at each other almost like spells?
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It's it's it's really it spiritually it really I think it's I'm repelled by it. I grew up around it though
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I'm not repelled by it, but I do notice that Trinitarianism is something that all the mainstream product is not in the Bible.
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That was decided upon by the early councils, the Council of Nicaea and so on and so forth.
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If you accept the legal authority of those early councils, then you have to accept the authority of the Roman Catholic Church
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because it was under that authority that they were held.
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My Greek Orthodox friends might disagree with this to whose authority it was,
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but even they would say it was church authority to decide what the Bible meant.
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If they agree with the Council of Nicaea, why do they disagree with the Council of Trent?
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It's the same organization. They have the same authority.
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The terminology you're looking for is the Undivided Church,
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because this was all before the Assyrians left and before the Oriental Orthodox, too.
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This all happened before the Undivided Church with all those branches and all that Catholic stuff.
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And we had priests and bishops when we made that Bible for you.
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The Bible, in fact, is younger than adoration of Mary and other things that they objected.
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Now, as an atheist, I had no instinctive distrust and dislike of Mary.
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I had no preference to whether to have stained glass windows or clear windows, whether to have statues or no statues, because I was an atheist.
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So to me, as an atheist, I had no internal barriers to overcome to become a Catholic.
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I didn't even look at who was more useful to me or who was more appealing to me.
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I didn't take things like emotions into account when I made the decision.
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I just took into account what the claims were to be the original church
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and whether or not the people who broke away made a legitimate claim
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as to having the authority to lawfully break away.
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All right, we have a question from Strontium19 who asks,
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Hey, Throon, can you address the charge of religious communism that Carolyn Emmerich has levied against Christianity?
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And, you know, I'm just going to – I think I know what she's talking about.
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Well, I mean, to be completely fair, I cannot address a charge that I am not familiar with.
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I would actually have to listen to Carolyn Emmerich's stream to be informed about what specifically she is asserting there.
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If you want to summarize it for me in the chat,
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Yeah, I just want to be responsible about that.
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Well, I'll tell you what I think she's getting at.
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And this is actually one of my major challenges
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pacifist Jesus, church humanity, church of nice.
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I'd rather, frankly, hang out with a witch or an ass of truth
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because their theology makes more sense to me.
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Can I even answer to this question on the Jesus Christianity as a socialist, huh?
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It's like that song, Close But Kind of Meatless,
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just like actors that play Jesus on movies of the week.
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these weird bearded men walking around in sand.
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we were talking about the alpha versus the chad.
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Christ sees some people selling sacrificial animals
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He says, look, listen, somebody doesn't want to follow you?
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And he says, if you want to follow me, pick up a cross,
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which is what you do when you're going to the execution ground.
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He's not saying, come with me to the nice flowery meadow
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He's saying, you're going to be reviled and spat upon and tortured
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Because I'm familiar with this line of thinking.
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And it does come from explicit Marxist doctrine.
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And it does go back to something I said almost two hours ago,
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which is that whenever you look at the social justice left, the cultural Marxists,
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they're always some kind of weird, bizarre old version of Christianity.
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And people who have either a shallow read of the Bible or an axe to grind against Christians
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or just come from a primitive sola scriptura tradition can really look at the Bible and say,
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yes you're supposed to give up all your property there's there's a there's a there's passages where
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you know all those followers gave up everything and and if you interpret the whole thing shallowly
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you'll come to that that that conclusion that that you know christianity is inherently socialist
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but that's because that's a like an intentionally primitive and ultimately marxist derived i believe
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probably i'm not accusing this lady of anything because there's a lot of people don't know where
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these ideas came from um and because it's been you know these ideas have inserted into culture
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So there's no accusation, but I would bet this is where it's coming from
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Jesus as a socialist is something that Marxists have been peddling for more than a hundred years
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Liberation theology and all that and here's the thing. It's always a work for war perversion
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Christians are absolutely required to give things to the poor and to help the needy. Absolutely
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Supposed to form a collective where we decide how best to distribute resources
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That's dead. Christ doesn't say steal your neighbor's cloak and give that to the poor. He never says that
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The baril of poverty is a special spiritual adventure set aside for those who are called to that kind of thing
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The guy who was talking to these, the rich young man he was talking to asked him
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sell all your goods, give it everything to the poor
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but he's asking that guy if he's willing to take
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In the Middle Ages, only the people who were called to live like monks lived like monks.
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The gods who were called to be knights were knights and killed the pan in.
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Traditionally, it's also understood that the very early, earliest Christians,
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those in the Book of Acts, were all forming the very earliest church.
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They were going to form the bishops, the priests, and the very rock of the community,
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Later on in the Bible, and as Christianity developed in the first couple of centuries,
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including saint paul himself so this is even in the bible itself it became plain that no christians
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are going to have to support themselves and and and and they're not required to again they you
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know the ideal might be to live communitarianly and people who join full-on religious communities
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become monastics and do that but it's been understood from the beginning christians are
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supposed to support themselves or find a way in society you are supposed to contribute you are
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supposed to first take care of yourself then you are to take care of those immediately nearest to
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to you, your family, and then your neighbors, and your community, and you're supposed to
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Second, you're supposed to take care of everybody around you.
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Third, if you can't do that, you might have to go to higher and higher levels.
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What's happened with the modern thinking is that it's completely inverted that model,
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can i can i can i can i pray protestant a protestant uh numbered spell it is he who
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does not work shall not eat is from second thessalonians 310. so there we go yeah it's
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when christ says to that guy oh you want to follow me sell all your worldly possessions
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he was saying it to that guy that guy who who he was asking i thought the guy was asking to be an
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apostle okay i was walking up this guy was walking up in fancy robes and he's like hey how do i get
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this i want to stamp i want to be a holy man it's like oh you do do you you sell everything you own
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that's your that's your price um hey i don't know if you you you've paid similar price like if you
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want to be holy you got to pay the price for some of us sell your worldly possessions for others
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He explicitly says what everyone's price is later on.
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You have to become baptized. You have to take
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his name. You have to do the will of the Father.
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it's it's uh max is entirely right it's just based on a shallow reading that's that's based
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on a dishonest argument that the enemies of of christianity concocted in order to try to to erode
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the western civilization anyway it's nine o'clock so i got it i have to sign off because i have
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other things i need to do this evening all right i'm i'm flagging out and tired too um i i would
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love to hear heathen's personal journey and her spiritual tradition sometime but i hope we have
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time tonight god bless you john talk to you soon god bless you and i'll you and i have a date on
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i think uh this coming wednesday well very much our first one new october so that'll be in uh
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I'm going to – Christ actually specifically tells off Judas for promoting socialism.
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When the lady is washing his feet with scented oil, Judas sneaks up and says,
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couldn't we sell that oil and give the money to the poor?
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And Christ looks at him and says, hey, listen, buddy, the poor will always be with you.
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You don't get to tell her what to do with her property.
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So I do feel where Carolyn's coming from, that there is, the Church of Soy is very rampant these days.
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i i know sorry sorry i had to step away for a moment because i had to use the bathroom but uh
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i was very patient uh yeah some people had some questions go ahead yes uh hey droon can you
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address the oh wait sorry i read that one um virile journey says hey droon what's your opinion
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of the carthaginian and babylonian paganism i i don't have one i'm a germanic heathen
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uh that's really my area of concentration so i i mean again i i'm kind of outside of my area there
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sorry well i'll give you my opinion is something happened something went very foul with the indo
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europeans when they went south when they went east into india things more or less remained okay
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indians are fine people it just they're they're quite distinct from europeans by this point
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When the Indo-Europeans went west, things were okay.
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But when they went south, something really twisted happened.
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And the Indo-European gods became demonic.
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So you look at, again, look, I'm not specifically talking about Marduk or whomever.
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But when you look at Baal, when you look at Moloch, these are all versions of the Indo-European gods that have gone completely foul and demand the sacrifice of infants.
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So you look at the Hittites, you look at Carthage, you even look to what the Jews kept going back to.
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The Jews kept going back to the golden calf and sacrificing babies to it.
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The golden calf wasn't something they made up while Moses was up the mountain.
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It was the bullheaded God that demands the blood of infants.
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So something very, very foul happened in the Middle East.
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And part of the reason that the Old Testament is so strict
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is it's really trying to break the Jews away
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from the evil pagan cults of the Middle East.
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When the Old Testament is talking about pagan cults,
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All right. Well, those Germanic deities have their origin in the Indus Valley and the Vedic tradition.
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Well, and so do the Babylonian gods. So does the Jewish god.
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But it's quite interesting how they're still worshiping the same gods as the Carthaginians and the Golden Calf.
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Like in today's world, out in Hollywood, they're worshiping those gods.
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I feel a little badly that I wasn't able to answer some of the earlier super chats,
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either because I didn't feel qualified based on my knowledge or, yeah, I think that was pretty
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much the reason. And I know that Max and John had a pretty intense exchange there about-
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They had a lot to say. So yeah, I mean, I've seen the chat, like people seem to be interested in
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what I have to share. So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them now if I can.
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let's see uh coward the dog says why are anglo-saxon accents so sexy hey through
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uh you know i've always been fond of anglo-saxon it's the language that i choose to use in our
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rituals here um now i'm of germanic and italian origin so i i wanted to incorporate something
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of one of those two uh ethnicities since that's part of my blood and uh anglo-saxon obviously is
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a Germanic language, but it's very beautiful. I know that Tolkien incorporated a lot of it in
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his work in The Lord of the Rings. It was one of many of the Northern European languages that
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inspired his work. Viral Journey asks if Freya is your patron goddess. Yes, she is.
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There's a topic. I wonder if you wanted to speak to this. We were discussing misinterpretations of
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Bible. There's that bit where the guy approaches Christ and says, what do I need to do if I'm
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going to follow you? And Christ looks him up and down and says, you need to sell all your
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possessions and give the money to the poor. And people mistake this for saying everybody needs
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a vow of poverty or that you need to give everything to the poor and bankrupt yourself.
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No, no, no, no. That was a contextual statement. He looked at this guy and looked at the way he
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was dressed and the way he was carrying himself. And so this guy obviously doesn't want to suffer.
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He's a rich man that just wants an extra little bell around his neck to say he's also a holy man.
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This is your price because the gods are going to demand a price from you.
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Well, that kind of dovetails onto something that Freya shared with me some years ago about value.
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And she said to me, whatever it is that you believe that you value, cast it into the fire and see if it burns.
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test it, prove it. If it burns up and turns to ashes, then it was never yours to begin with,
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and you shouldn't warn the loss of it. But if it endures, it is yours forever, and no one can take
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it from you. And then she said to me, what would you rather have for your wealth in this world,
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a pocket full of diamonds or a pocket full of coal? And that has stuck with me all these years
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about value and what we value and how we have to test that through sacrifice. Sometimes it can be
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very hard to take something that we're very attached to uh including a belief and and submit
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that to a test of fire and find out what it actually is does it stand up to the test
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thoughts about the normies can't meme in europe um i haven't heard that one i'm not sure i
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understand what is he saying thoughts about the normies and they can't meme in europe
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i i don't understand what he's trying to communicate there i'm sorry i don't know that
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that metamine um okay virile journey asks is the story of freya and balder interpreted
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i've always seen her as a suffocating mother a suffocating mother i i don't really see freya as
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a mother figure her primary function is she is the queen of the valkyries she is the goddess of
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love and war. Her primary function is one I see of creative and destructive fire. She's a fire
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goddess. She's also, of course, the goddess of witches, of wise women. She instructs Odin in
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the art of Sæðr. I don't see her as a mother figure at all. She is a free woman. She is unbound.
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She would be a suffocating mother, which is why she's not a mother.
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yeah i mean i mean she yeah i mean she is attributed it as to having two daughters
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um by by other which is uh the cosmic consciousness but her daughters seem to be
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more uh elements than personalities uh one i think is interpreted as um as shining and the
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other one is interpreted as brightness almost as if they're aspects of light or aspects of sun
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energy so while uh freya is a creative and destructive goddess she's not a goddess that
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is associated with domesticity and um what might be what might be attributed to sort of the base
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aspects of of the creative feminine she is a magical goddess she is associated with the more
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spy of a fiery spiritual acts aspects of creation in my interpretation and in my experience of her
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and she crushes weak men which is why you guys really shouldn't mess with hate room
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well she's a testing force i mean fire is a testing force of men um in fact one might liken
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her to the forge you know i mean the vagina is a forge when you think about it um a man finds
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out what he is when he is submitted to the heat and pressure of the forge oh wow love it when you
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put it like that uh easy 2189 kaku uh clarifies article 13 in the new eu uh charter i don't know
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what it is basically they're trying to pass this new damn fool law which says that you aren't
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allowed to you need to provide citations and sources for absolutely everything you use you
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aren't allowed to quote newspaper articles without paying them it completely goes against
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you know fair use it's honestly guys from what i've seen of it it is such a clusterfuck of a law
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that nothing's going to come from it oh is it just another attempt to try to to restrict or
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block free speech essentially yeah exactly and guys let's be frank at this point illegal is
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whatever the cops show up at your door for there's a reason that giudalini is spelled with a u and not
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an ew okay it's everything's illegal these days question is what can we get away with now in the
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good news uh the trump administration has just begun the crackdown on the alphabet companies
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out there so we are going to see some antitrust legislation applied hopefully yeah that's a very
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encouraging sign and and uh yeah hell harbin hell's harbinger which is that's actually bull
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worker he had to change his account thank you for being the voice of reason yeah um and he is
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correct uh balder's mother is frig not freya uh frig is a different aspect of the divine feminine
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much like mary frig doesn't really say very much that's one of the tests for a marian apparition
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one of the the the qualifiers for if it's a real apparition did she speak a lot because mary never
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says very much she says exactly what needs to be said and nothing else if the marian apparition
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gives a giant long lecture they that's like that wasn't married yeah i mean a way you can look at
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this uh and this is uh exclusively within the norse germanic pantheon is that frig and freya
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are two aspects of the divine feminine they both share an intimate relationship with odin
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frig could be seen as the passive uh aspect of the feminine she rules over domesticity
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wifery, motherhood. She's the one who sees all fate, but keeps silent, does not speak it.
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Her sacred animals that draw her chariot are dogs, which are associated, of course, with fidelity.
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And Freya, she's the opposite of that. She is the force that acts out in the world.
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In Sesrumnir, which is her hall, she keeps half of the battle slain. So she's a very alpha
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dominant feminine figure she is self-ruled and sexually free she's not
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bound to a god she has a real intimate relationship with Odin but she is not
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bound in the way that frigga is bound in marriage so these are two aspects of the
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feminine and they have very different functions that which submits to the
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male and that which tests the male yes let's see we had um bob newman newman asks can you
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explain the eucharist why does a priest need to be there
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that that would see that would be a question for you as a catholic i should think yes yes it's
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you can have spiritual communion with christ uh you can listen you don't need a priest for
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most things, quite frankly. But it's the difference between putting a bastard in a woman
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and putting a child in your lawfully wedded wife. The priest is authorized through the church,
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through the apostolic secession, and through the catechism that the priest knows what the
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standards are it's the difference between a police arrest police officer arresting somebody
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and a citizen's arrest okay the police officer supposedly is trained in all the laws in the
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procedures and the correct use of force uh who to arrest and who not to arrest etc etc the the
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priest is trained in all that the priest has been given special commission the same way that when
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you're married you're given special commission to create a child with your woman and that is a
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child made in a lawfully wedded union it's not a bastard so the priests have been given that
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because we we do need the tradition we need the common law we need the catechism for all of that
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to happen you know you can't have just any jackass picking up a magic wand and claiming to be
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So that's why it's exclusively for priests.
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99.9% of the time, it's going to look like a wafer and some wine.
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Every once in a while, it does turn into the flesh of a human heart.
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and blood that's always a b negative every once in a while but god says that it's transubstantiated
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and he can do whatever that whatever he wants because he's god so if he says
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that this wafer that tastes like a wafer is actually the flesh of christ i take his word for
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it uh virile journey sends us five dollars and says well and by the way uh strontium 19
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sends five dollars a gifts thank you brother virile journey says last question do you see
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the pagan community shifting more right in the near future because a lot of the pagans appear
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to be leftist okay i will speak uh exclusively to the heathen community i do view the pagan
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community and the heathen community as being separate communities um and within the heathen
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community i consider the folkish heathens the only true heathens there are uh leftist ideologues
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who like to LARP and attach themselves to our heathen mythology and culture, but they really
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do not practice folkish heathenry in any true form that I've been able to observe. That being said,
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folkish heathens are right in their political leanings. We are true conservatives. We observe
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natural law, we observe folkism, we subscribe to the ways, traditions, law, and thew of our ancestors.
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So I don't think it's so much of shifting more right in the near future. I think what we are
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going to see is more folkish heathens acting out in the world, being more active, being more present,
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being more visible, organizing. Tribalism is going to become more pronounced, I think, in the future.
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And that's a good thing. You know, one of the things that I'm very passionate about is helping
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European people come back to their folk. I don't care so much whether a European chooses to see
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our gods and our truth through the lens of heathenry or Christianity or even agnostic
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philosophy. What I care about is, are they coming back to their roots? Are they coming back to the
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ways of their ancestors? Are they coming back to blood and soil and to folk soul? So whatever I can
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do to help bring people back to their roots, that's something that I'm passionate about doing.
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And I hope you guys noticed all the kind words Mr. Wright had for Haythroom. And by the way,
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It's Bolverker. Where's his comment? He said, leftist pagans are universalists and not true heathens as they do not honor their ancestors.
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Right. Absolutely. And judging heathens by the behavior of universalists is like judging Christians by the behavior of evangelicals or by homosexual infiltrators.
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that joined, not men tempted by homosexuality,
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that intentionally infiltrated the Catholic Church, okay?
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Yes, it's a cancer that we need to excise, okay?
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You don't look at an individual dying of cancer
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so um i mean i i am i just want to say i'm happy to continue this conversation for at least another
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15 minutes or so if people have questions i i know that um tonight's show was um was pretty
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pretty heavily monopolized by the guests as it should be they they were um irini's guests but
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i i was following the chat i'd rather have them monopolize it than say absolutely right
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and it was it was a wonderful conversation i was enjoying it
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um i just you know i didn't get a chance to address
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as many of the the comments and questions that were coming up in the
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arini wants to continue yeah i think five hours nobody listens
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ain't nobody got time and while we're waiting for some questions to come in
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um just a couple of shout outs i i want to thank uh tom bombadil for doing
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an awesome job moderating tonight uh it got pretty heated so thanks so much for trying to keep the
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peace there and um yeah hells harbinger who's actually uh my friend and warder uh bullforker
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thanks for being the voice of reason where you could john steel thank you for your generosity
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um thanks to everybody who supported and and came out with super chats uh that's wonderful
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and for all of you who were respectfully debating thank you for doing that well i want to get
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steal on uh possibly next sunday if he's free i wasn't really bringing any guests on tonight we
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quite frankly we had a couple of guests with a lot a lot to say
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yeah i mean it really is a wonderful service that arini's providing here um i've i've been
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following you know conservative media and um folkism and alt-right and and all these things
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are sort of connected to one another at one point or or another over the last few years and um
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arini's providing something really special here in that he's trying to create a space where we can
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find common commonality regardless of our particular religious persuasion there's
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catholics out there that i can't even begin to let them know who i am or they will go out of
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of their way to destroy me. The virus is in their heads. And the same is true for me in the heathen
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community. You know, I've attracted enemies, both from the left and the right. And I've always been,
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you know, pretty outspoken about my truth. Bullforker's known me for a few years now,
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and he has witnessed some of the fire that I've drawn on social media for speaking my truth.
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So, yeah, I mean, what Irini and I are both doing here, I think, is really important.
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There aren't a lot of folks in conservatism in general who are trying to build these bridges
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And when I say truth, I'm talking about natural law.
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I'm not talking about the particular lens through which we might see natural law,
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whether we want to call that heathen or pagan or christian or catholic or or agnostic or
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aristotelian it doesn't matter what we're seeing it through so long as we are seeing the truth
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for what it is in nature we you'll love this question dr d wants to know how you feel about
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male feminists um i i don't think there is such a thing as male feminists i think there are
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feminists and then there are the males who who orbit them and seek their approval uh because
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they quite frankly they're they're looking for sexual access to a female they can't get sexual
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access to a female of their preference uh so they're kind of dumpster diving that's that's how
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i see it okay provider of mercy says go along to get along no that's not what we're saying
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no i'm saying break bread with those that worship and love god even if they use a different name for
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him if they love god break bread for them with them if they wear your outfit and perform your
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rituals but hate god shun them that's what i'm saying you know let me what's that quote from
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corinthians i i instead of using the word god can we use the word the good because that binds
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christian heathen and and the the philosophical seeker or agnostic under one banner i mean he
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who orients himself towards the good who loves the good and by the way that actually is a tenant of
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but i'm not going to give her my energy or time there is a really good pod a really good podcast
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by frame game radio where he discussed it and it's uh basically the she's applying data analytics
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but which by the way guys this is one of the new if you can get into data analytics
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do it this is one of the few areas of technology that's revolutionary right now okay most other
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areas of technology are not revolutionary. They are going to go the way of the dodo. They're going
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to become Indian programmers, or they'll become algorithms doing it all for you. Data analysis
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is one of the growing fields. But yeah, she does this data analysis, draw a map of the alternative
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influencers. And guys, this is just the very tip of the radar. Okay, this woman's an amateur
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And if they have somebody remotely competent, they can find out who's important and who needs to be silenced.
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This is why they're going after Roosh, by the way.
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Roosh is a nexus for a lot of different people.
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People like me, people like Quintus Curtius, people that are more of the Chad lifestyle.
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Paul Revere, yeah, it's like two lights by sea, something like that.
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Paul Revere's importance is that during the Revolutionary War, he was the guy that knew
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everybody. He was the guy that introduced one another. If you could have killed Paul Revere,
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there would have been no American Revolution. There just would have been isolated pockets of
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dissidents. Very briefly, Rattle Grebdron, what do you think about the connections between
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In Germanic and Vedic mythology, in Tacitus' Germania, he mentions Manus, Manar, equaling man, son of Tusto, and Vedic, Manu, son of Tuastar.
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We see, I believe, Brahma would be the equivalent of Odin.
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If you take a look at the archetypes, strip away the names, it's the same thing.
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and by the way also look at the patterns in these things this is part of the reasons that you can
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tell that the european paganism is fair not foul uh first of all that it integrated perfectly with
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the catholic church and second that it's telling the same myths as the catholic church right just
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just strip strip away all the window dressing guys and look at the core archetypes you know
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like look at them through jungian eyes and and you will see what i'm talking about here
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don't go all thunderfoot on me and think that when i say myth i mean something that's not true
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Dr. D, question, would Freya support male feminists?
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Strontium 19, Haythroon, can you address the difference between the universality of Christianity and other universalism?
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I think that Christianity has been interpreted in different ways.
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Christian universalism, I think, is no different than the universalism we see in neo-Marxism.
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That being said, there is a Germanic interpretation of Christianity that I think is wholly masculine and folkish
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and is actually congruent with our own Germanic heathenism.
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But that's a conversation for another day. Look into Christ with the spelling of K and cross-reference that with Germanic paganism, and you'll find some interesting information there.
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And I would point out that Christianity is universalist in that there is one truth, there is one good, there is one beauty, okay? There is one justice. These are universal things. It is not my tribe above all else, okay?
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However, it does not mean that all tribes are identical and should be watered down and interbred and turned into the new Babylon.
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one god many peoples uh virile journey do either of you think that protestants
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will ever ally with the catholics and other heathens against
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dildovers you want to take that one arini some will however well there's a there's a joke the
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one thing that two youtubers can agree upon is that another youtuber is an asshole
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but they can all agree that they hate Catholics
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I'm sure some of you guys can figure out which ones they are
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And you know what? I could post about 12 debunking videos explaining why I was right.
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And what a massive waste of my time that would be.
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The fact that I came down with this head cold is really frustrating because I had a lot of stuff I was planning to do this weekend.
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Very productive stuff that I want you guys to see the effects of it, okay?
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I want this thing to grow into, I want to blossom into something that's going to help all of you guys.
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And I couldn't do any of that this weekend because I was so bloody sick.
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But imagine if I were spending all my time winning arguments on the Internet with people that really don't matter.
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But so many Protestants are interested in being right.
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everybody else right up to the point of the grave
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i support what you're doing and likewise thank you eldrick fan sends you his five dollars and
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calls upon john c wright to finish his latest novel i've actually never read any of his books
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i'm gonna have to hopefully he's listening i really enjoyed the the chat tonight it was just
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it was a little exhausting because it was so intense and and like nobody came up for air
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yeah yeah i know yeah um ec2180 dunkaku has space dog built the ship to mars
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before elon musk you know what she has a better odds of building a spaceship that goes to mars
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before he does drink a shot of ginger and lemon juice with honey oh man that sounds like a great
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idea actually yeah yeah since we're coming up on 9 30 i mean maybe we could take some of the
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and in protection strength and in strength reason and in reason knowledge and in knowledge truth
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and in truth justice and in justice love and in love the love of god and the love of every
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living animation god bless all of you deus volt this is erini out