Leo D.M.J. Aurini - Aurini's Outpost： the Star Wars and Theology Hour

00:00:00.000 Lord, thy protection, and in protection, strength, and in strength, reason, and in reason, knowledge,

00:00:14.440 and in knowledge, truth, and in truth, justice, and in justice, the love of God, and the love

00:00:24.480 of every living animation.

00:00:27.740 Amen.

00:00:28.660 Amen.

00:00:31.500 Folks, thank you very much for joining us

00:00:34.840 on this live stream.

00:00:36.200 I am, of course, joined by my co-host,

00:00:38.860 the Lady Haythroon,

00:00:40.540 and I have a very eminent guest.

00:00:42.420 Man, I'm a huge fan of his work.

00:00:45.560 The science fiction author, John C. Wright.

00:00:50.020 How are you doing today?

00:00:51.700 It's a pleasure to be here with you.

00:00:55.120 Very excited to have you on.

00:00:57.320 And we're going to have Max Dinesme.

00:00:59.240 He'll be back shortly.

00:01:00.620 He'll be here in about five minutes or so.

00:01:03.660 But what we're going to be talking about tonight, I'm sure we're going to be delving into some theology.

00:01:08.220 We're going to be talking about fiction.

00:01:10.440 Specifically, I wanted to start with Star Wars.

00:01:16.400 Because, Wright, you are penning a series of posters

00:01:21.840 absolutely eviscerating the new movie, The Last Jedi.

00:01:29.840 So you weren't a fan of it, I take it.

00:01:32.640 No, no.

00:01:33.460 In fact, I think it was...

00:01:35.220 How bad it was grew and grew on me as I pondered and pondered until my ponderer was sore

00:01:41.920 as to the atrocity known as The Last Jedi.

00:01:44.760 I slowly came to the conclusion that it was a deliberate, not just reversal of fan expectations,

00:01:52.760 which I sort of don't mind, but a deliberate slap in the face to the fans,

00:01:56.980 a deliberate obliteration, deconstruction of every ideal hope and virtue that the original

00:02:05.460 movies were playing toward, and in fact, an attempt to destroy the canon.

00:02:11.620 It was an anti-Star Wars film.

00:02:15.320 I would go through it.

00:02:16.460 Because everything was so badly done that I stopped believing it was done badly by mere

00:02:23.160 mischance, mistake, or incompetence.

00:02:25.380 Rian Johnson, the director, did a film called Brick that I thought was just brilliant,

00:02:30.480 so I know he's skilled.

00:02:32.560 But in my analysis, it looked to me as if every single thing for which characters like Luke Skywalker lives

00:02:42.120 are shown to come to nothing in this film,

00:02:46.200 and almost every character's actions come to nothing,

00:02:49.300 and every expectation that's set up comes to nothing.

00:02:52.400 thing. It's not a surprise. A surprise is when you go into an Italian restaurant and

00:02:57.900 you order the minesterni soup and it's twice as delicious as you thought it was because

00:03:01.500 he added oregano or Tabasco sauce. That's a surprise. This was a disaster. You go into

00:03:08.320 the Italian restaurant and the waiter throws the soup in your face or there's a dead frog

00:03:12.860 in it or something. That's not a surprise. That's just an insult, a trauma. I was traumatized

00:03:19.940 about this film. I've been emotionally scarred for life.

00:03:22.440 It wasn't just an attack on

00:03:23.900 Star Wars. It was an attack on

00:03:25.680 storytelling.

00:03:27.520 There's no bloody story there.

00:03:30.440 Correct.

00:03:32.280 It's very similar to certain

00:03:33.780 existentialist

00:03:34.800 koans. They don't call them koans.

00:03:37.520 Certain existentialist stories and tales where

00:03:39.620 the point of the story is that life has no point.

00:03:41.800 It was waiting for Godot as

00:03:43.480 Star Wars.

00:03:45.820 I was spared this trauma, thankfully,

00:03:48.120 by my friends who warned me

00:03:49.840 of how terrible it was so i i still have some fond memories of the star wars that was you are wiser

00:03:57.040 than i i i saw it free of charge on uh well on netflix and it was an evening when i had nothing

00:04:02.640 else to do and there was no one else in the room so i thought i could just watch it and i thought

00:04:06.560 maybe i could just see what was wrong with it to help me in my own writing of of space office

00:04:11.040 because it's in my genre and it was so so much worse than anything i had steeled myself for the

00:04:18.160 the blow. But no, I fought the dumb and the dumb won. I was hammered like a tent peg into 0.99

00:04:23.600 the ground by the sheer stupidity hammer that came leaping out of the screen at me. And 1.00

00:04:27.660 it was just over and over again, scene after scene. I would analyze it for several hours,

00:04:33.400 but I've already done that in my life, and it's on my blog in a 16-part rant that is

00:04:39.400 called The Last Straw. This is about The Last Jedi. This is The Last Straw.

00:04:43.600 Hey, can I suggest, by the way, everybody should go check out SciFiWrite.com, where John

00:04:49.940 Wright has regular blogs, and there's a bunch of links to his books and stuff, his award

00:04:54.120 nominated and winning science fiction and fantasy, great guy, so be sure to check him

00:04:59.540 out. And by the way, since I have him here, also come check me out on RedPillReligion.com,

00:05:04.060 me and the crew, because we've got quite a group going. Sorry. Hey, I'm back, guys.

00:05:08.480 Welcome.

00:05:08.800 We haven't gotten into the theology yet, but we are talking about Star Wars, which

00:05:13.480 is the theology of modern America now that we've been trying to work.

00:05:17.580 Let me tell you one of the ways the original Star Wars worked is that even though George

00:05:23.100 Lucas was, I think, over enamored of Joseph Campbell, a lot of people are.

00:05:27.840 Joseph Campbell is at least interesting, and he got the base mythic elements right.

00:05:31.720 And so when he did Star Wars, all the base mythic elements were there.

00:05:36.180 see there was also a spiritual component implied that was really always there in the first three

00:05:42.660 so they stripped it in the original three they stripped it and and material made it a materialist

00:05:48.420 concept with the midichlorians which is stupid because otherwise that was a very spiritual film

00:05:53.460 and the first three films uh very very very spiritual um um and they like tried to bring 0.95

00:05:59.620 the supernatural out of it and then they've just gone further than that there is no spiritual

00:06:04.900 element and by spiritual I mean things that don't correspond to the laws of

00:06:08.980 time and space kids things that are outside that things that matter like

00:06:12.820 honor integrity virtue wisdom chivalry please chivalry chivalry is

00:06:19.420 controversial because some people get chivalry wrong in my opinion I'd love to

00:06:22.780 talk about that sometime but because there's heretical chivalries but yes

00:06:28.060 chivalry um uh redemption um um all of these are our spiritual supernatural concepts and moderns

00:06:36.880 reject them all and so all they have left is um the will to power the will to succeed the will to

00:06:43.660 self-actualize the will to ultimate happiness whatever it is or the ultimate that's all they

00:06:49.520 have and they're not even conscious of it but it's all they're able to produce because of their

00:06:54.000 atheist worldview.

00:06:55.240 It's worse than that.

00:06:56.140 It's worse than you said, because not only is that all they have, they have it only in

00:06:59.680 terms of a context of where all groups are divided either into the oppressed group, of

00:07:05.060 whom nothing bad can be said, and the oppressor group, of whom nothing good can be said.

00:07:09.500 So there's no such thing as an honorable enemy.

00:07:11.400 There's no such thing as chivalry or honesty between those two groups.

00:07:14.740 Oh, yeah.

00:07:15.620 The oppressed group is allowed to do anything they can under the emergency situation of

00:07:20.700 overthrowing the oppressor, and the oppressor group is not allowed a hearing, not allowed to

00:07:25.740 respond, not allowed to defend themselves. And that's their worldview. And intersectionalism

00:07:30.060 is really the idea that anyone can claim to be a member of the oppressed group,

00:07:34.640 except for white, straight male Christians. At the moment, yeah. Although this has been 0.95

00:07:40.440 played out in other societies in the last century that it wasn't all, yeah. But no, exactly. That

00:07:46.620 scapegoating like that and don't forget the scapegoating of religious people 0.99

00:07:50.220 because that's the way it goes and that's why they were the heroes in last

00:07:54.600 Jedi because the idea of a hero cuts against the idea that there is an

00:07:57.960 oppressor and oppressed and no good oppressors and no no no bad oppressed

00:08:03.000 and if you do see anything resembling a religion or anything else I don't know

00:08:07.720 if that ever came up in these films because I haven't seen them all but

00:08:10.320 usually this type of fiction this dreck if religion is portrayed at all it's

00:08:15.180 just portrayed as a madness and evil and something that has to be destroyed, all of which is

00:08:19.360 part of Marxist dialectic, of course.

00:08:20.980 I was going to say, can't it be argued that the neo-Marxist ideology is their religion?

00:08:25.620 It is, and it's an explicitly atheist religion.

00:08:28.920 And once you see that, you can't unsee it, because that's actually what's at the core

00:08:32.740 of the Marxism, is the atheism.

00:08:34.580 Yes.

00:08:34.880 I phrase it this way.

00:08:35.800 I say their first dogma is the dogma that they have no dogmas.

00:08:39.380 They pretend they are merely reaching the conclusions that every honest, open-minded

00:08:43.220 man reaches.

00:08:44.580 And so by that dogma, they think that any opposition to them

00:08:48.020 must be unreasonable or closed-minded,

00:08:50.060 based on ignorance or moral perpetuity.

00:08:53.220 But it is...

00:08:53.940 Or insanity.

00:08:55.500 Yeah, it's a false-to-facts frame that they use to interpret the world,

00:09:00.740 and when the world doesn't agree, they never adjust the frame.

00:09:03.680 They just ad hoc away the world.

00:09:06.160 They just explain away the world.

00:09:07.900 You know, the movie strikes me as terrible as it is.

00:09:11.220 it does have a very very distinct theme to it and this is nihilism yes nihilism the theme is nothing

00:09:18.920 matters the theme is there is no story the theme is there is nothing you do will succeed i'm sorry

00:09:24.280 i i my insanity is burbling up i apologize for interrupting all that came before was false and

00:09:30.740 must be destroyed so that we may progress destroy the past that was the the thing was

00:09:36.640 destroy the past destroy the past and obey women there's those two majors no i i i respectfully 0.92

00:09:45.280 i respectfully disagree while it might seem at first that this is a pro-female feminist propaganda 0.99

00:09:50.480 piece since all the women's decisions in the movie are stupid and lead to nothing i think if that was 1.00

00:09:55.920 his intent that it failed to do that we have to obey the world because this is something hey 0.97

00:10:03.600 Thrun and I talk about a lot of it here.

00:10:06.680 Give her the first comment, though.

00:10:10.060 I'm sorry.

00:10:11.080 She's been trying to get in.

00:10:13.140 Yeah, the lady's trying to get in. 1.00

00:10:15.180 But that's okay.

00:10:15.900 I will respect the host.

00:10:18.780 Go ahead.

00:10:19.540 Just let me get this point out.

00:10:21.200 We talk a lot about how the alpha girl tries to capture the alpha boy and put him in a

00:10:26.840 cage so she can show off that she owns an alpha boy.

00:10:29.300 and the concept of the matriarchy 0.88

00:10:32.060 is

00:10:33.380 it's the tyrannical matriarchy 1.00

00:10:35.120 it's the dead womb 1.00

00:10:36.800 the controlling mother

00:10:38.620 so Poe

00:10:40.760 is Poe his name?

00:10:42.580 whatever, the X-Wing pilot

00:10:43.900 his name is Hotshot I think

00:10:46.900 he is supposed to do

00:10:48.800 whatever mummy tells him

00:10:50.720 and that he dares question mummy

00:10:53.120 shows that he completely misses the point

00:10:54.700 the point is not to

00:10:56.060 oh you men and your logic 0.84

00:10:58.040 and you're trying to build. 0.94

00:10:59.100 No, civilization and patriarchy are toxic.

00:11:02.420 What you need to do is do what mummy says.

00:11:05.280 And the same thing when Asian girl 1.00

00:11:08.380 prevents black dude from sacrificing himself. 0.92

00:11:12.940 Dan, we'd have to fight to save that. 0.99

00:11:15.980 Stop using your man logic. 0.95

00:11:18.360 Man logic is rape. 1.00

00:11:19.940 Books are rape. 1.00

00:11:21.060 Words are rape. 0.98

00:11:21.780 That's why we have to burn the Jedi texts. 0.90

00:11:23.960 You do whatever mummy says.

00:11:25.600 The Empire is only a threat because you men believe it's a threat.

00:11:30.380 And I noticed that in the very moment when she steals a kiss from the bewildered stormtrooper,

00:11:36.620 the bewildered black guy who I call Tweedledim in my rant, 1.00

00:11:41.820 the iron door guarding their escape-proof hideout is being blown to pieces by the cannon

00:11:49.440 that she prevented him from smashing into to stop.

00:11:52.940 So while she's talking about how to save all her people, all her people are being killed behind her. 0.97

00:11:58.940 That makes you great brain. 0.78

00:12:01.940 See, now I'm hearing the laughter, and I'm going to ask you.

00:12:04.940 See, I am actually a fan of things like Mystery Science Theater and Riff Tracks, and I am a fan sometimes.

00:12:12.940 I mean, one of my favorite movies of all time.

00:12:15.940 Truly, I can watch it on its own.

00:12:18.940 I can pick it up at any point, start to finish, and love every minute of it, and it's Battlefield

00:12:24.380 Earth, that horrific, one of the worst science fiction movies ever made, because it's so

00:12:29.640 horrifyingly bad on every conceivable level.

00:12:32.880 You discover new levels of badness every time you watch it, and it's hilarious.

00:12:36.320 Is there a possibility I could appreciate this film on that level?

00:12:40.220 It depends on whether or not you have any affection for the other Star Wars films,

00:12:45.220 books, games, and novels.

00:12:47.180 if you have any if you have any feeling for those the insult against those might diminish your

00:12:53.660 your appreciation whereas in battlefield earth battlefield earth is not the sequel to

00:12:58.700 uh my favorite film of all time yeah i get you i see you there

00:13:06.140 i do recommend battle earth i do i also i also recommend a film called plan nine from outer

00:13:10.860 space the black and white film it's uh oh yeah that was the last one that bella lugosi appeared

00:13:16.780 Bela Lugosi's

00:13:22.360 film

00:13:25.940 were clipped into the film, and because he

00:13:28.440 passed away, I mean, he rests in peace during the

00:13:30.080 filming, they got his

00:13:32.520 chiropractor to put a cloak over his face 0.96

00:13:34.220 for the scenes he had to appear with other actors.

00:13:37.860 The only

00:13:38.500 thing I'll say about it is, I haven't seen both,

00:13:40.720 I assert that Battlefield

00:13:42.500 Earth is the superior awful film

00:13:44.480 just because having analyzed it completely, there

00:13:46.460 is not ten seconds that goes by without something truly awful happening on the

00:13:50.160 screen, in the dialogue, or in the action. I mean, just one of the delights of the

00:13:54.780 film is every single thing is shot at Dutch Angle. Angles just randomly change

00:13:59.360 throughout the film for no apparent reason.

00:14:01.460 You throw down a heavy gauntlet, my friend, and yet I challenge you to tell me which ten-second part of

00:14:08.660 Play Night from Outer Space is not outrageously bad.

00:14:11.660 Well, but it's the part where the black and white police car comes to a halt and then when it halts, it's actually been cut.

00:14:18.260 There's a different police car with different markings or where the headstones move when the vampire walks past it.

00:14:25.680 It's the part where Vampirella's cleavage is shown on stage for no point than to show it. 1.00

00:14:31.120 It's the part where the UFOs are shown as spinning a flying saucer disc that looks like someone took a frisbee and spray-panded it silver and hung it from a string.

00:14:40.760 They say it's they say it's missile shape. It's it. Oh, never mind. I

00:14:47.000 Think we have a bad. Let's have a bad film showdown

00:14:51.520 On another sometime I'm another show something but you have to actually go watch battlefield earth with that critical light

00:14:57.720 Because man, I've seen it

00:15:00.280 And you're I have seen it and I actually don't want to get into the combat of which is worse because that's that's really if it's not

00:15:07.560 Number one is number two or number three. Okay, it's really bad

00:15:10.760 But it's a bit, but you can tell those films are bad in a way that I find amusing.

00:15:16.680 They're so bad, they're good.

00:15:17.680 You can actually get some entertainment from watching this.

00:15:19.600 This, but The Last Jedi, I felt was just an insult directed at me, personally,

00:15:25.040 because the guy was making fun of the things I like in space opera.

00:15:28.680 Not just the things I like in Star Wars, the things I like in science fiction.

00:15:33.860 You know what?

00:15:35.360 When are we going to talk about the Catholic thing?

00:15:38.060 What's that?

00:15:38.660 When are we going to talk about the Catholic thing and why Catholics write better long-term

00:15:44.560 songs than these people?

00:15:49.360 Since my Catholic ancestors destroyed your pagan ancestors and then just adopted all 1.00

00:15:54.280 their gear, I'll defer to you and let you speak rather than – I don't have an off-spitch

00:16:01.460 when it comes to stopping talking about how bad this film was.

00:16:04.460 I could go on forever.

00:16:05.620 I think my moment of opportunity passed, but I'll try to go back and recover it. I think it was a remark about submitting to women or a message in the film about submitting to women. I think that's misplaced. It's not about submitting to women that I see in the neo-Marxist culture.

00:16:23.880 it is a submitting to what I call feminine mindedness, which is actually an infantile default 0.99

00:16:28.960 state. Women who actually are mature cultivate what I call masculine mindedness, which encompasses 1.00

00:16:35.820 virtue and logic and reason and all of that. But the feminine mindedness is infantile and psychotic 1.00

00:16:41.580 and it causes one to succumb to the appetitive part of the self that Plato put forth in his

00:16:50.340 tripartite theory of the soul. I think that's what we're talking about here. It's not so much

00:16:54.200 woman, it's the feminine-mindedness. Well, let me ask you a question 0.84

00:16:58.100 as a man to a woman. I've always thought feminism and 0.70

00:17:02.080 femininity were antithetical to each other. They are. 1.00

00:17:06.140 Feminism and femininity are not the same thing. Femininity can be expressed 1.00

00:17:10.280 in terms of, if I serve a queen or a duchess

00:17:14.300 or a great lady, and she is not necessarily a logician

00:17:18.560 or a military commander but she is has great charisma and leadership uh uh would you would 1.00

00:17:27.840 you equate your view of the feminine only with the appetitive or would you say no no no no

00:17:33.220 feminine for the feminine to be mature and and and grow into greatness yeah i want to be clear

00:17:39.800 here about what i'm stating feminine mindedness is different from masculine mindedness but

00:17:46.520 femininity and masculinity are both mature states okay feminine mindedness is actually something 1.00

00:17:52.360 that i have observed in uh more primitive organisms okay like in insects we see this in the ant colony

00:17:59.640 we see it in the beehive where there's a collective communist sort of um uh structure there and we

00:18:08.040 have one feminine hive mind that governs the entire collective this is the same thing we're 1.00

00:18:13.640 seeing manifest today in the in the alt-left yeah well this is why this is why i'm bringing this up

00:18:23.240 because we're seeing the same phenomenon manifest in the mindedness of the current leftist culture

00:18:31.160 masculine mindedness seems to be a relatively early arrival we see it in apex predator species

00:18:36.920 in specific so it's exclusive to mammals and it's exclusive to the apex predator species among

00:18:41.880 mammals so we see this was with wolves we see it with lions go ahead what do you say it's exclusive

00:18:47.640 because there are there are territorial hierarchical uh duels between lobsters for example i was just

00:18:53.640 reading on jordan peterson on that on that for example uh i'm not familiar with lobsters they

00:18:59.160 they might be an apex predator species i'd have to take a look at their behavior and see if it

00:19:03.160 conforms to k selected species that's true that's true so they may be an apex predator species that

00:19:09.000 are non-mammals but what we see with masculine mindedness are things like um are you are you a

00:19:14.920 case selected r selected right right right right case selected versus selected so the the uh the

00:19:20.040 high investment in offspring um all those case selected traits i don't need to mention them all

00:19:25.240 here but that but that constitutes masculine mindedness and a mature woman who is feminine 1.00

00:19:31.320 is going to be part of that mindedness she's not going to be part of the the feminine mindedness 1.00

00:19:36.280 of the the r selected uh you know like an art selected woman will sleep around a case like 1.00

00:19:41.960 a woman would be like our lady exactly exactly who are basically the same archetype exactly and 1.00

00:19:49.320 and that's the distinction that i wanted to make because i know sometimes you know we we mix up

00:19:53.560 the words femininity or feminism and we attribute they're not the same i don't i i'm not sure how

00:20:02.040 much of that I'm entirely on board with, although it's quite provocative.

00:20:05.900 One thing I would observe generally is that it certainly is, there is a feminine mindset 1.00

00:20:12.680 of way of doing things, because when women are in control, I mean, they do so pat through 1.00

00:20:19.020 basically even amongst themselves.

00:20:21.360 Actually, it's interesting to watch women in groups, because then you realize they're 1.00

00:20:24.740 actually more hierarchical than men are in groups.

00:20:29.600 Well, no, see, they'll be a queen bee, and they have subtle ways of gigging each other. 1.00

00:20:39.440 But she doesn't get to be a queen bee by directly invoking a one-on-one conflict, like a duel where you have a winner and a loser. 0.99

00:20:46.960 No, she's somewhat different.

00:20:48.000 They do it indirectly, and they'll have long memories for waiting for attenuation.

00:20:53.740 Well, in a hive, the queen will actually suppress the reproductive capability of her daughter workers and soldiers. 1.00

00:21:03.660 We see the same thing with the modern narcissistic female. 1.00

00:21:09.960 I've identified the—

00:21:11.260 If I could interrupt, who also supports abortion and supports contraception?

00:21:16.040 Right, right, right.

00:21:16.780 The Catholic Church is against, which suppress sexuality.

00:21:19.420 Let me make my argument.

00:21:21.060 Go ahead, go ahead.

00:21:21.840 I'm interested to agree with you.

00:21:23.520 Yeah, I know. I just want to illustrate it for the sake of the audience who may not be with us on this.

00:21:29.900 But what I've identified is that the narcissistic mother pairs with the absent father. 0.79

00:21:37.520 So where we see an absence of masculinity in the family or whatever is substituting for the family, we see the narcissistic mother. 1.00

00:21:45.840 The narcissistic mother is that queen bee personality. 1.00

00:21:48.820 She will suppress the reproductive capacity of her daughter. 1.00

00:21:53.960 Her daughter will not be allowed to develop an identity.

00:21:56.960 Her daughter will not be able to develop her femininity. 0.83

00:22:00.860 She becomes an instrument of the mother for the mother's narcissistic supply. 1.00

00:22:05.260 This is what the movie The Wall is all about.

00:22:08.800 It's about a boy that's just been crushed under the weight of his single mom.

00:22:12.700 and he's you know constantly trying to flee her while also begging for her to tell him what the

00:22:18.000 hell to do with himself hey through and i beg you come to a stream with me sometime i want you as a

00:22:22.700 guest you're exactly the kind of pagan or whatever i don't even know if you like the word pagan 0.98

00:22:26.840 i go by heathen yeah okay yeah see i think if he that is somebody who's uneducated and ignorant 0.88

00:22:32.360 doesn't have any i i understand that um the etymology of the word is different for us

00:22:38.880 Okay, so maybe that's our slur.

00:22:40.800 I don't know.

00:22:41.460 Anyway, really, I like talking to Sparky all the time.

00:22:46.500 I'm sorry, I couldn't hear either one of you.

00:22:49.180 Anyway, I'd love to have you on as a guest sometime.

00:22:51.080 I hope you'll come.

00:22:52.180 I would be delighted to.

00:22:53.420 Thank you.

00:22:53.840 All right, just let me get to the super chat.

00:22:56.100 Viral Journey sent 10 US dollars, and he posted an image on my Discord that I think you'll find interesting, Mr. Wright.

00:23:03.780 the science of

00:23:06.120 Harry Potter

00:23:07.120 oh god

00:23:10.540 I'm the boss of Harry Potter

00:23:13.120 as a guy that actually I like

00:23:15.680 studying I'm by no means an expert

00:23:17.820 but I like studying things like quantum

00:23:19.980 mechanics you know I like actually doing

00:23:21.660 math with it

00:23:23.120 and the books you know the science

00:23:25.980 of Star Trek it's like it's not science

00:23:28.120 the reason they have teleporters is

00:23:29.960 they want to save some effects on having

00:23:32.180 a shuttle land

00:23:33.180 that's the only reason they had teleporters

00:23:35.880 which Space 1999 did not do

00:23:38.020 they actually had really cool models that they landed in

00:23:40.300 I don't know if you guys have seen that yet

00:23:41.320 all science fiction stories have some

00:23:46.040 nods to science and how good or bad

00:23:47.880 science is

00:23:48.360 science fiction is a spell

00:23:51.540 our pagan friends will like this

00:23:53.660 explanation

00:23:54.460 you're trying to get an audience to

00:23:57.920 willingly engage

00:23:59.320 in auto-hypnosis where you give them a vision

00:24:01.600 of some future that entertains them.

00:24:04.860 Not necessarily the future, but if it's science fiction,

00:24:06.980 there's got to be some otherworldly or extraterrestrial element in the story

00:24:10.880 to be science fiction.

00:24:13.120 And the way you create the illusion of verisimilitude

00:24:16.340 is by adding some degree of real science.

00:24:19.300 Now, my own field, space opera,

00:24:21.520 usually I just have science fiction-flavored props and settings.

00:24:25.900 Something like Star Wars is science fiction-flavored.

00:24:31.600 uh and uh uh sorry i'm distracted what was the uh warning of first contact oh that wasn't that

00:24:46.600 was that was a message for davis yeah yeah sorry sorry um irrelevant so when star so something

00:24:54.440 like star trek does usually play fast and loose with the science but it tries to keep it basically

00:24:58.820 within the scientific world view.

00:25:00.220 Even something like the Star Trek teleporter

00:25:02.420 is supposed to work like a television

00:25:03.880 where the particles are broken up

00:25:05.060 and then combined at the destination.

00:25:08.460 But something like Harry Potter,

00:25:10.340 Harry Potter doesn't even make a magic system

00:25:13.500 that fantasy stories usually will make up

00:25:15.920 some explanation of what the limits of magic are

00:25:18.780 in order not to make magic able to solve

00:25:21.140 the plot problems too easily.

00:25:23.860 Such as Jack Vance,

00:25:25.080 who probably may not have read his stories,

00:25:27.020 but if you ever played Dungeons and Dragons

00:25:28.340 or heard of it, you're familiar with his system,

00:25:30.420 the spells there can have to be memorized

00:25:32.020 with some difficulty in the brains of the magician,

00:25:35.900 and once spoken, he immediately forgets them.

00:25:37.720 So he can only cast them once a day.

00:25:40.040 And other stories have other limits

00:25:42.040 on what magicians can and cannot do.

00:25:43.980 Right.

00:25:44.700 I am familiar.

00:25:46.060 I play RPGs, so I'm familiar.

00:25:48.680 Can I point something out?

00:25:49.800 Can I point something out?

00:25:51.920 But the limits in Harry Potter,

00:25:53.340 Harry Potter wasn't even a real fantasy story,

00:25:55.420 as much as I love it.

00:25:56.120 Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Hot Potter fan.

00:25:57.600 but in Harry Potter it was just

00:26:00.240 taking place in Halloween land

00:26:01.460 by which I mean the fantasy elements were

00:26:04.040 so close to reality that anyone not

00:26:06.120 a fantasy fan didn't have to stretch his imagination

00:26:08.240 to enter into the Harry Potter world

00:26:09.780 the same way girls dress up as witches on 1.00

00:26:12.040 Halloween night

00:26:13.020 it takes place in that world

00:26:14.960 so the spells are just a little bit of garbled Latin

00:26:17.440 and she establishes whatever she needs for her plot

00:26:20.000 at the moment and never returns to it

00:26:22.200 never has all the

00:26:24.280 police equipped with tooth serum for example

00:26:26.160 which is what you'd actually do if the thing was actually happening.

00:26:29.760 Have you ever heard of the fanfic Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality by Eliezer Yudkowsky?

00:26:37.380 I haven't. I'm not familiar with...

00:26:39.700 Okay, Eliezer Yudkowsky is an artificial intelligence research...

00:26:42.880 Oh, I'm familiar with him. He and I actually exchanged some words over the internet a few years back.

00:26:47.280 Very cool guy.

00:26:48.560 Anyway, he writes this fan fiction of Harry Potter where Harry Potter isn't an ignoramus,

00:26:53.000 and he actually uses rationality.

00:26:56.160 One of the things he does is, because it's all gold coins in Magic Universe,

00:27:00.020 so he starts an exchange operation for British pounds to make himself a millionaire.

00:27:05.940 He uses a time turner to solve every single problem in the world,

00:27:08.980 and he even messes with the time turner to try and figure out what the limits of this thing's abilities are.

00:27:15.000 He does a genetic study to figure out whether or not the mudblood hypothesis is accurate or not.

00:27:20.080 well very amusing but

00:27:22.400 all he's doing is he's taking science fiction

00:27:24.500 and applying the trophies of science fiction

00:27:26.760 to fantasy

00:27:27.260 anytime you do that you're going to get the same kind of

00:27:30.780 results you're going to get

00:27:31.760 you're going to get

00:27:32.960 Robert Heinlein's Magic Incorporated

00:27:37.020 you're going to get urban fantasy

00:27:38.500 as a result you're going to leave the fantasy world

00:27:40.660 if you do that to a certain extent yes

00:27:42.520 but if you're going to write fantasy

00:27:44.240 if you have a spell in book

00:27:46.720 number two that allows you to travel back

00:27:48.580 You don't have to tell me. I know how to make up a magic system

00:27:51.500 that's tight and coherent, usually based on

00:27:53.320 real magic.

00:27:55.760 So I'm with you, buddy.

00:27:57.540 But I'm just saying that I think you've got to give

00:27:59.560 Harry Potter a bit of a break because

00:28:01.660 of its wide appeal.

00:28:03.660 Can I have a wet blanket moment in here?

00:28:07.440 I hate to be a wet blanket and turn into a Catholic, 0.99

00:28:09.780 but

00:28:09.980 somebody in the Catholic world

00:28:13.260 who's definitely worth knowing if you're interested

00:28:15.220 in the demonic is a guy named Father Ripperger

00:28:17.360 who is a professional full-time exorcist

00:28:19.820 and gives magnificently

00:28:21.560 interesting speeches on the matter.

00:28:24.680 And the man doesn't

00:28:25.600 lie. He may have been misinformed, but otherwise

00:28:27.480 what he says is, according to his sources,

00:28:30.180 J.K.

00:28:31.860 Rowling has admitted that all

00:28:33.540 of the spells in

00:28:34.980 Harry Potter, she got from

00:28:37.220 actual witches, and those spells 0.96

00:28:39.520 are supposed to be saved.

00:28:41.620 No.

00:28:44.140 Necromantic tomes,

00:28:45.520 and it's nothing like in Harry Potter.

00:28:47.040 you know what the ship titled it the ship titled harry potter harry potter and the narcissist's

00:28:52.880 special snowflake son he said he says that he says that those that there's kids running around

00:28:59.920 playing uh uh uttering those incantations and that they do things and that they're not necessarily

00:29:05.760 good things at all and i have and i have noticed that for many young people harry potter's almost

00:29:10.720 become their substitute for a bible is the only that's because well i don't problem with magic

00:29:16.000 in general is and this is not what hate room does the problem with magic problem with harry potter

00:29:22.480 is it's actually a story about narcissism it's a single mom living off of government welfare 1.00

00:29:27.360 making up stories about how her retard son is actually a special snowflake genius and everything 0.99

00:29:32.880 works exactly for harry potter because he's special and he deserves it because he has a 0.87

00:29:37.760 a lightning bolt on his forehead.

00:29:39.900 The book is...

00:29:40.500 That's a problem.

00:29:42.360 I'm going to make one last comment on this.

00:29:44.700 Now, hold on.

00:29:45.780 How is it different from half the myths and half the adventure stories out there?

00:29:50.640 They're all about a person who is special, either because he is born great, he achieves

00:29:55.500 greatness, or he has greatness thrust upon him.

00:29:58.060 I'd say in the other myths, they earn it.

00:30:00.020 There's a great line...

00:30:00.880 Only in the third case.

00:30:03.320 Some people stumble upon him, some people don't.

00:30:05.440 Now, if a guy's accomplishments are not well-earned and there's no drama there, I'd agree with that.

00:30:09.720 But I'm not sure that's the case for Harry Potter.

00:30:11.720 Well, let me ask this question. You guys are probably a lot better versed on Harry Potter than I am.

00:30:17.140 Is any kind of divine parentage attributed to his father?

00:30:22.840 No.

00:30:23.280 Like we would see...

00:30:24.560 More like an emulous idea of fate seems to be...

00:30:28.040 Like the heroic myths that we see in the ancient Greece of ancient Norse and so forth.

00:30:32.880 I'm really surprised, of course, Harry Potter is a Christian analogy.

00:30:38.140 I'm sorry, I'm just going to stand by this.

00:30:42.000 I'm going to stand by the honor of Father Ripperger, who, by the way, I have a friend

00:30:46.260 who's a professional witch who hasn't commented on this specific matter, but will tell you

00:30:51.840 that the same thing that Father Ripperger tells you is that when you are saying incantations

00:30:56.300 in some language that you don't even know and you think it doesn't mean anything, it

00:30:59.820 still has potential enormous spiritual power and is dangerous to play with and

00:31:03.320 it's irresponsible for them to put that stuff in those books I agree with that

00:31:07.620 as a witch you have one right here with you too the ones but the ones in the 0.98

00:31:11.760 books are just make we've left they're not really incantations taken from any

00:31:15.180 real force father Ripperger either lies which I don't think or read something

00:31:20.100 crazy but he says he heard he saw he read an interview where she says that's

00:31:23.940 That's exactly what she did.

00:31:25.560 Maybe so, but he's not here to be for me to cross the end of it.

00:31:29.280 But you have someone here who does practice this.

00:31:32.780 The intention is part of this and the vibration.

00:31:37.400 It's not so much the words.

00:31:39.660 It's about vibrating energy with intent.

00:31:42.980 And that can be done through scribing, through spelling, through singing, through chanting.

00:31:47.500 It's impressing the matter with vibration and intention.

00:31:51.580 so yes even a child playing in ignorance if he has intention and he is vibrating something he

00:31:58.420 can bring something into being one thing you and i talked about hey through was the the ouija board 0.99

00:32:03.440 on the one hand it's nothing but a stupid piece of cardboard made up by milton bradley 0.96

00:32:07.740 but if you have a demonic possession case the first thing you do is burn the ouija board because 0.99

00:32:12.500 that's a dangerous even though it's nothing but a useless piece of cardboard it's still a portal

00:32:17.420 Right, it's a means by which something can come in

00:32:20.960 Now, when it comes to Ouija boards

00:32:22.820 I agree with you entirely

00:32:24.160 I don't consider those to be frivolous

00:32:25.740 So there's a reason why we good Christians are not allowed to

00:32:28.720 Meddle with such things

00:32:30.500 Because there, there actually is a connection to the divine

00:32:32.800 But when you're talking about

00:32:35.080 When you're talking about something that's

00:32:36.540 Really Halloween land

00:32:39.180 I don't know

00:32:41.320 I haven't read the book

00:32:43.000 So I recommend we drop the topic

00:32:44.380 I don't know what the accusation is

00:32:46.800 well let's if i may there's there's etymology that supports this right um the word word for

00:32:54.080 example shares a relationship with word w-y-r-d or w-y-o-r-d in in um old english right which

00:33:02.320 refers to fate right bending fate twisting fate again impressing the material with one's intention

00:33:09.600 Spelling, right?

00:33:10.740 We spell words.

00:33:12.900 We Christians believe that God spoke the universe into being

00:33:16.960 and that Christ is the word of God.

00:33:18.260 You don't even press upon the power of prayer.

00:33:21.960 But prayer and magic are functionally the same thing.

00:33:25.920 Prayer and magic are functionally the same thing.

00:33:27.940 It's why a Latin mass, 1.00

00:33:29.420 Latin is just a language that the Romans used,

00:33:32.100 and yet a Latin mass is 100 times as powerful

00:33:35.400 as a mass in the Vulgar tongues.

00:33:38.960 And this is why, even though all of the words in Harry Potter are absolute nonsense faux Latin, 0.79

00:33:44.100 they are very powerful because they're borrowing from that, the racial memory we have.

00:33:49.060 Yeah, I will say this, I will say this.

00:33:51.460 If the kid gets interested in real magic and real occultism because of the glamorization of Harry Potter,

00:33:57.180 that is dangerous and that is diabolical.

00:33:58.940 And there's certainly, I believe, that the air is peopled by spirits,

00:34:01.700 half of whom are benevolent, or I should say a third and a third,

00:34:05.140 because the other third is the elves.

00:34:08.960 I agree it can lead to a dangerous area, but other than that.

00:34:19.140 I think it's very similar to credit cards.

00:34:21.840 When people get involved with magic, in most cases, it's people trying to get something for nothing, right?

00:34:30.340 They're trying to get a free lunch.

00:34:32.440 Which is really funny because all magic involves sacrifice.

00:34:35.620 I

00:34:38.020 Will end my my entire commentary on this because it's not what we're here. We're not here argue about it

00:34:43.500 but if you see of a book on a

00:34:46.080 video called conference on exorcism by father ripper chair, who is very very very well respected in mainstream as a

00:34:53.120 Full-time exorcist a lot of people's in the church

00:34:56.700 source him he's got an hour and a half on this and

00:34:59.660 and uh i'm gonna at least be backing up what she's saying for the most part is playing with any of

00:35:05.740 this like that is inherently dangerous and there's a lot of kids doing it and it it's not it is not

00:35:11.580 inherently harmless it's not that it's automatically it's just you're playing you're letting the kids

00:35:16.860 play with matches that's what tell you but in any case you don't have to agree just that's that's

00:35:23.100 The only point I disagree with is I don't think Harry Potter is real occultism.

00:35:29.460 If you have your kids playing with tarot cards and playing with Ouija boards, that stuff

00:35:33.260 I think steps under the line and you're opening yourself up to things you don't know about.

00:35:36.380 You're sticking a fork in a light socket.

00:35:37.380 You don't know what the powers are that you're trifling with.

00:35:41.560 It's not about the particular words, though, is what I'm saying.

00:35:44.700 You could make up nonsense words, but as long as you are impressing the material basis with

00:35:51.600 With intention and vibration, you are working magic.

00:35:55.820 And this is my issue with the magic in Harry Potter,

00:35:58.360 is unlike Lord of the Rings, unlike C.S. Lewis's Narnia Chronicles,

00:36:03.040 the magic in Harry Potter serves the ego of the protagonist.

00:36:07.480 In those other works, magic often humbles the protagonists.

00:36:13.720 Harry Potter, it glorifies the individual.

00:36:17.400 There I agree with you.

00:36:18.640 There I agree with you.

00:36:19.420 That is one of the problems with magic in Harry Potter.

00:36:21.320 I agree.

00:36:22.360 It's best summarized by that game of Quidditch, I think it's called.

00:36:26.620 Where one guy gets all the points by doing one thing.

00:36:31.300 Exactly.

00:36:31.920 No real sports game would be designed that way.

00:36:34.440 But the author designs it that way because Harry Potter is a special snowflake and he gets to be important.

00:36:39.880 He's not a team player.

00:36:41.280 You can see why this becomes the ears at religion for the modern age.

00:36:45.320 It's got all the earmarks of what the cry bullies or what Hederon said was the feminist mindset have in mind. 1.00

00:36:55.060 Oh, absolutely.

00:36:56.420 And this is why you still see adult Democrats using Harry Potter metaphors all the time.

00:37:03.220 Well, consider how without – when you turn your back on the Christian religion and on the rest of the Western civilization,

00:37:12.420 how limited your moral vocabulary is.

00:37:15.320 They can't speak of good and evil anymore.

00:37:16.840 They can only speak of intelligent and unintelligent. 1.00

00:37:18.540 So all they can do is say that their opponents are stupid. 1.00

00:37:21.100 And they do this over and over again, no matter who it is. 1.00

00:37:23.120 They said it about Ronald Reagan in this day about Donald Trump.

00:37:25.080 Even if the guy is an extremely wealthy and successful businessman, which takes quite a brain to accomplish.

00:37:34.820 Or they merely speak of people as being unsympathetic, as if sympathy was the whole of the law when it came to morality.

00:37:42.500 They're just feeling sorry for someone.

00:37:43.660 Well, sophistication has come to replace practical wisdom.

00:37:49.240 I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I do agree that they replace facts with theory,

00:37:54.760 and if the facts don't match the theory, the facts have to change.

00:37:57.180 I'll give you an example.

00:37:59.440 A thousand years ago, a farmer was wiser and more knowledgeable in terms of the practical

00:38:06.000 than a university-educated person is today.

00:38:09.300 We've made our language so sophisticated to the point that an intellectual can say something very complicated without saying anything.

00:38:19.500 But a farmer who worked the land, worked with his hands, you couldn't con him.

00:38:24.860 He knew a true thing from a false thing because he lived in harmony with nature.

00:38:29.500 He saw natural law every day.

00:38:31.860 He was in contact with it, even if he was illiterate.

00:38:34.200 And in fact, I think in many cases, a man was better served by being illiterate.

00:38:38.980 if he was a third function uh individual this is this is under the old european tripartite uh social

00:38:45.460 structure um in many cases they were illiterate but they were what they were wiser and more

00:38:51.540 knowledgeable in in practical matters in natural law they knew what was true from what was false

00:38:58.340 what was uh what was good from what was evil they knew this by ex by empirically experiencing the

00:39:05.140 natural world. They knew you can't eat your unseen corn, and they knew you can't consume

00:39:09.460 a plant before you plant it, which modern economists don't know. Right.

00:39:18.120 I also noticed there wasn't a huge divide between what the common man believed and what,

00:39:22.160 at least in the Middle Ages, the most intellectual intellectuals believed. Thomas Aquinas, if you

00:39:26.680 walked outside and talked to an illiterate farm boy, would agree on the basic view of the world 0.52

00:39:31.480 that they both shared, but modern intellectuals have set their caps against the common man.

00:39:39.100 They regard them as an enemy.

00:39:40.300 In fact, one of the things I've noticed, and because I do, I mean, ultimately this

00:39:45.540 is the cultural Marxist project that's been dominating, which I believe to be Luciferian

00:39:49.920 and Origen, ultimately, but it becomes increasingly obvious that at least as it expresses here

00:39:57.820 in the west um um marxism is literally bizarro orthodox christianity it's like it was it is like

00:40:07.580 opposite of every it's like a bizarre every christian value and practice is either you know

00:40:13.260 explicitly uh is like warped right like racism actually is a sin well you know uh sexism of the

00:40:22.820 The type that holds that one is superior, inherently, in God's eyes to the other would

00:40:28.700 be a heresy.

00:40:29.700 Sexism, in that sense, would be a heresy. 0.98

00:40:33.320 What they do to it is this bizarro twisting, backwardizing, and it's like the further they 0.98

00:40:38.600 go along this line, the more they just look like freakish anti-Christians.

00:40:42.140 They have to change the vocabulary in order to express themselves to do that. 0.99

00:40:46.700 All they do is take something bad, like fornication, and use a phrase that sounds good, like free

00:40:51.700 love.

00:40:52.700 that's that's good like learning from other cultures and use a phrase that

00:40:56.460 makes it sound bad like cultural appropriation yeah it's it's all about

00:40:59.780 inverting the natural order and natural law which which I would presume I don't

00:41:04.740 want to presume but presume that a Christian would see as God's law God's 0.99

00:41:07.920 law is natural law and natural law is God's law Thomas Aquinas gave us Thomas

00:41:12.980 natural law people are still using it so you sound like a Catholic right with 0.67

00:41:18.740 everything you've said so far well you you may find that uh folkish heathens are are more congruent

00:41:25.300 with what you observe yeah i think so because because basically catholics are heathens who 1.00

00:41:30.320 converted oh here we go we're not we're not an alien culture no no well john c right you've

00:41:41.240 pointed out that heresies always come in pairs and the pair heresy to to communism to marxism

00:41:48.720 is unbridled capitalism.

00:41:53.720 Libertarianism.

00:41:55.500 Yeah, that's another word for it.

00:41:56.980 Corporatism.

00:41:57.960 I've come to true, especially corporate libertarianism,

00:42:00.700 but no, I've truly come to see libertarianism

00:42:02.940 as just completely intellectually, morally bankrupt.

00:42:06.740 They've just put the market where God belongs,

00:42:08.780 and it's where they go.

00:42:10.440 If they're not communist,

00:42:12.300 and putting it in the state or the collective,

00:42:14.600 they put God in the market instead.

00:42:17.160 That's what they do.

00:42:17.940 I will grant you that the objectivism, if you mean libertarian, if you mean the doctrine of Ayn Rand that also proposes the metaphysics and the moral code, I'll grant you that.

00:42:29.660 That's a fair heresy.

00:42:32.140 I don't want to pick nits here, but there's a certain element of our society that we can all see where love of money and ignorance of consequences and alienation of the individual, where the individual is nothing but economic unit.

00:42:46.040 That's the thing. Marxism views you as nothing but an economic unit.

00:42:51.040 We're only arguing about which heresy is paired with which at this point.

00:42:55.400 Because in my essays, I call that the worldly man.

00:42:58.260 And in science fiction's fields, Bob Heinlein is kind of the exemplar of that libertarian free love.

00:43:04.540 Or the animal man.

00:43:06.120 I record that paired with the opposite of mysticism, which is kind of the new-agey stuff

00:43:13.000 that really has nothing to do with real old-fashioned solid paganism, if I may be so bold as to

00:43:19.060 criticize them.

00:43:20.780 But I think the authoritarianism of communism and the—I think communism and Nazism are 0.87

00:43:30.960 particle and antiparticle.

00:43:31.960 They're basically the same thing, spring from the same root.

00:43:34.880 And I would say that the worldliness and spiritualism are the two opposites that break away from

00:43:42.460 that.

00:43:43.460 But we're basically in agreement.

00:43:44.700 I think all these things are heresies or devaluations or a heresy is not an error.

00:43:50.880 A heresy is when you take one part of an organic whole, you take one finger of the hand and

00:43:55.320 you say, this is the primary finger and all the other fingers are unimportant.

00:43:58.400 You just exaggerate, you distort a face by making the nose as big as a cassava melon.

00:44:03.560 You don't get rid of the other features.

00:44:04.560 just said you just disregard that right you use them to fight the other features

00:44:08.460 yeah it's a distortion of truth that is inherent in nature and yeah I was gonna

00:44:15.520 say something oh about the whole motive behind all of this I I believe that it

00:44:21.000 is to reduce man to an animal man to to to to draw him down to to literally sink

00:44:28.320 him into the appetitive aspect of the soul that that level of consciousness

00:44:34.200 and thereby reduce his divinity. 0.97

00:44:38.700 Becoming an atheist who accepts that you are merely a walking ape of a certain sophistication 0.89

00:44:44.880 and a free thinker actually makes you easier to manipulate.

00:44:50.920 And it makes you much more gullible.

00:44:53.060 To not only become an economic unit, but to see yourself and all others as economic units as well.

00:45:01.760 You know, I see this all around me in, I won't call them relationships, I call them conspiracies.

00:45:08.460 Irini and I talk about this often.

00:45:10.460 These conspiracies that people enter into, in which one projects a fantasy onto the other in order to exploit that individual for some kind of gain that only gratifies an appetitive desire that they have.

00:45:25.440 many of these masquerade as friendships they masquerade as marriages which is absolutely

00:45:30.580 horrific particularly when children are brought into the midst of that and um and have to come

00:45:35.520 up in the presence of it they have neither a mother or father are you are you quite sure

00:45:39.860 you're a pagan because you sound just like tom sequin i i am quite sure of what i am i i was

00:45:46.660 I said I'm quite sure I was called by my lady Freya when I was 18 years old.

00:45:58.720 I entered into her service at that time.

00:46:01.400 I have been an acknowledged heathen for many years,

00:46:05.520 and I am absolutely devoted to the ways and beliefs and troth of my ancestors.

00:46:13.040 Excellent. But have you read Thomas Aquinas? Because you do sound a lot like him.

00:46:15.880 I have not read Thomas Aquinas.

00:46:18.800 Oh, you like him.

00:46:19.300 You like him.

00:46:19.780 He's right up your alley.

00:46:21.080 If I can find time, I will read his works.

00:46:23.940 I've got a long to read list, as it is.

00:46:27.280 Within the Western tradition, he is often considered for bringing natural law into the entire legal system and into how we do science.

00:46:36.440 And he kind of wedded Aristotle into the Judaic metaphysical background.

00:46:44.560 Okay. Well, I have read Aristotle, and I do consider myself an Aristotelian in terms of my ethical view.

00:46:51.840 There you go right there. There you go right there. St. Thomas Aquinas.

00:46:54.660 That's why. That's why.

00:46:55.780 Okay. Okay.

00:46:57.040 Basically, yeah. Basically, he's an Aquinian, too.

00:46:59.240 Okay. Well, then that makes sense. That's where I got it from.

00:47:01.720 I said the wrong word. Basically, Aquinas is an Aristotelian.

00:47:04.520 Okay.

00:47:05.020 Excellent. We're cousins.

00:47:07.000 Awesome.

00:47:07.980 Well, Jeremy sends another super chat, and he says,

00:47:10.600 no matter the creator's intention, most

00:47:12.780 of this entertainment is based in Marxist

00:47:14.860 assumptions. Just look at Star Trek.

00:47:17.420 And Steve, thank you for the super chat.

00:47:19.900 I didn't see that in Star Trek, because

00:47:22.740 I grew up as a Star Trek kid.

00:47:24.900 I mean, and I didn't mean an original

00:47:26.700 Star Trek kid. Like, I was born in

00:47:28.440 1966, and I was three years old

00:47:31.000 and fell in love with Mr. Spock

00:47:32.880 on the TV.

00:47:35.380 But I do

00:47:36.880 see the fundamental Marxist element

00:47:39.000 And I have actually seen now how the cultural Marxists currently in charge in places like Hollywood have totally expropriated Star Trek.

00:47:49.000 They're trying to sell it.

00:47:50.900 They all believe in Joseph Campbell.

00:47:53.160 And he's part of their how you do things, Joseph Campbell.

00:47:56.540 So, but they do it poorly because in the end there's not that much to Joseph Campbell.

00:48:01.380 And they're just explicitly, I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought.

00:48:07.640 I apologize.

00:48:08.100 I'll help you.

00:48:09.000 Joseph Campbell basically had a, the reason it gave his monomyth theory such power is that it was simplistic.

00:48:16.480 But the myths themselves get their power from the religious background, from the pagan religious background,

00:48:21.740 that gives those stories their impact to the human psyche.

00:48:25.260 And we know now that Joseph Campbell, whether they know it's there or not, is going to copy some of that power.

00:48:30.480 I myself think that's what happened with George Lucas.

00:48:32.960 When he did Star Wars, he was trying to do Buck Rogers.

00:48:35.280 Well, Buck Rogers, for as simple as it is, has a rather basic moral core to it.

00:48:38.820 which if you copy it you copy over the moral core without noticing it and had

00:48:43.140 it had a great appeal so and the one horse is basically just the kind of

00:48:48.060 idea that almost all religions have in common so it has a very bright appeal

00:48:52.380 and they don't have to fill in any details they don't get into any

00:48:55.060 theological disputes about how it actually works but it just has a flavor

00:48:59.280 just has enough there's just enough of the force of stars to give it a flavor

00:49:02.320 of the wider universe that the material universe is only a part of you know

00:49:07.140 And people reacted favorably to that, see?

00:49:10.980 And in Star Trek, what happens is the socialist elements in early Star Trek are almost submerged,

00:49:20.040 and the guy who did it, Roddenberry, used to do cop shows.

00:49:25.440 So a lot of his instincts, the part of him that was not intellectual, his instinctive part,

00:49:30.580 still continued to tell good stories.

00:49:33.340 You could still have a James Kirk, which you can't have.

00:49:37.140 But you can't have James Kirk anymore because there's no heroes, there's no leaders, and there's certainly no white men. 0.65

00:49:43.040 Masculine men. There's no swaggering masculine men.

00:49:46.560 Right.

00:49:47.800 I think one of the great things about science fiction is that even flawed men can write about the virtues of their ideology.

00:49:55.100 John C. Wright, you have an excellent critique of Heinlein, which I agree with.

00:49:59.840 But at the same time, Heinlein, he is so wonderfully heroic.

00:50:04.740 He really embodies that practically-minded engineer of an American man that's just going to go out onto the frontier, and he's going to fight the bullies, he's going to tame nature, and he's going to take care of his women's vote.

00:50:20.660 And you're right.

00:50:21.460 And which is funny, which is funny because his intellect and his heart also didn't quite agree.

00:50:26.920 In my essays, I refer to it as a philosopher has a daemon that inspires him,

00:50:35.940 and an artist has a muse that inspires him.

00:50:38.500 And some people's muses are smarter than their daemons. 0.86

00:50:42.820 By which I mean, Heinle knew how to portray heroism when his editors got him to cut out all of his theorizing about male and female.

00:50:50.240 But when he got too big to edit, his juveniles, which are all wonderful, turned into his seniles, which are terrible.

00:50:58.060 But even at their worst, there's still page-turners, and there's still a vision of heroic masculinity in them that is very appealing to the young man.

00:51:06.140 Very appealing.

00:51:07.480 But what he preaches doesn't actually match up with the results that he portrays.

00:51:13.260 And I believe the same thing is true with Ayn Rand.

00:51:15.080 I believe the same thing is true with Dean Roddenberry.

00:51:17.100 What they preach is not actually what they're portraying on stage.

00:51:19.580 Season 1 and 2 of Star Trek The Next Generation

00:51:22.260 were exactly what he wanted

00:51:24.240 Star Trek to be.

00:51:25.780 They were terrible.

00:51:27.300 Only after he passed away,

00:51:29.220 and Rector grew a beard,

00:51:31.800 did those shows start to pick up a little energy

00:51:33.420 and a little steam.

00:51:34.420 And you know the influence of that was a man named Ronald E. Moore

00:51:37.640 and a few core like him,

00:51:39.720 and it turns out he's one of the last guys

00:51:41.540 in Hollywood who was at all spiritual,

00:51:43.520 which is why Star Trek Deep Space Nine

00:51:46.140 was actually very spiritual,

00:51:47.340 and why Battlestar Galactica, which he was blind with, was very spiritual.

00:51:52.360 Because he's spiritual.

00:51:53.860 I think he's been crushed because of it at this point.

00:51:56.100 But what I've seen the materialists are doing, the scientismic, naturalist, cultural Marxists,

00:52:03.380 literally are very hard trying to make Star Trek and Star Wars a new Joseph Campbellian mythology

00:52:11.000 in their atheist, materialist universe.

00:52:14.680 They're trying to coopt it this way.

00:52:16.280 They're trying to turn the heroism and the glory of those stories into something that will serve their political purposes and preach their political point of view.

00:52:25.340 And that's all they want to control the narrative.

00:52:28.840 Yeah, that's what these people do.

00:52:30.780 These ideological or what I consider to be spiritually possessed people, they mix lies with the truth, and that's how they corrupt people.

00:52:39.040 They get them to swallow the lie that's been wrapped up in the truth.

00:52:42.700 I'll ask you one other question.

00:52:44.180 But earlier when someone said that they thought that this had its roots in the satanic, in the demonic.

00:52:50.240 The what? Wait, wait.

00:52:51.180 They said that earlier Max Colby said that Marxism has its roots in the diabolical, that Satan is behind it.

00:53:04.120 I'm convinced.

00:53:05.320 I agree with that, yeah.

00:53:06.920 And I wondered how a pagan agrees that Satan is doing something because he's a fallen angel from our mythology.

00:53:15.900 Who do you think is actually doing it?

00:53:18.000 Well, I can see past what I call the lens that's on the truth.

00:53:23.940 Various religions, to me, are just masks on the face of the truth. 1.00

00:53:29.480 They're all referring to the same archetypes when you start to examine these figures referenced.

00:53:35.240 we find singularity uh for example the name mary uh in the christian tradition has its origin in

00:53:44.120 the egyptian name mir which means beloved and then if we take a look at frigg for example who

00:53:51.320 is the wife of odin in the norse mythology that also interprets as beloved we're talking about

00:53:57.000 core archetypes that are ancient that predate any kind of organized religion so when i'm

00:54:02.680 looking at these things i'm looking at the core archetypes i'm looking at the core truths there

00:54:07.960 and yes i see marxism as satanic because what is satanic is that which is opposed to nature that

00:54:14.760 which is trying to invert the creation and the natural order excellent okay

00:54:25.480 well i've always viewed the the core of satanism of the satanic principle being the rebellion

00:54:32.120 refusing to accept one's position in the universe one's lot in life and to rebel against it to try

00:54:38.120 and cheat to engage in usury to engage in manipulative magic what it looks like to me

00:54:45.080 is specifically going on um and there's a number of sources i find credible that that really do

00:54:51.240 think this um if you look at the at the the uh the spiritual practice of theosophy um

00:54:58.600 look up madame blavatsky and the few of her fellows and their specific luciferian doctrine

00:55:04.280 whether people are the whether there's you can call what's going on the specific theosophist

00:55:09.480 or not the luciferian doctrine is what's most visible and it's this very subtle and very evil

00:55:15.720 corruption of the uh of the christian uh story of eden which is that it's basically you know

00:55:22.600 there's adam and eve there's the serpent um but the serpent is the good guy because in the christian

00:55:28.200 telling um adam and eve are forbidden from eating from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil this

00:55:33.720 is an important distinction because it means that when they they ate from the fruit of the tree

00:55:38.520 they became able to know good from bad until they did that they did not know that um and and in the

00:55:45.480 christian telling the serpent fooled them into that um making them vulnerable to sin now in the

00:55:52.040 And the Luciferian telling, it's the same tale, except God has forbidden them from eating

00:55:57.500 from the tree of knowledge, period.

00:56:00.280 And the evil God, and the evil God, the evil God doesn't want them to have the knowledge

00:56:09.820 of the truth.

00:56:11.260 And then the evil God punished them for finding out the truth, and the real mission is you've

00:56:15.420 got to overcome this evil God.

00:56:19.540 lucifer is the light bringer who brings knowledge and enlightenment and uh this doctrine you can

00:56:26.260 see actually meshes very well with a lot of nietzschean thinking because it ultimately still

00:56:30.740 winds up being an inversion of christianity in a number of ways because in embracing ultimate

00:56:35.060 selfishness and embracing every hedonistic desire is considered good and it's only the sheep of the

00:56:42.340 world who really deserve to be slaughtered anyway um if you can derive pleasure from harming them 0.95

00:56:48.420 that's fine what's funny is they deserve it christians are sheep remember i mean it's it's 0.99

00:56:55.220 very and this is all out there i'll give you references if you need it there's nothing new

00:56:59.300 under the sun this is gnosticism this goes back to a a heresy that may be first century christian

00:57:06.020 or it may be i believe the nonsense actually has older roots in it does jewish that goes way way

00:57:12.180 back to this idea of an inversion where light is darkness and darkness is light and you alone are

00:57:17.700 free from the uh structures that bind everyone else because you can disobey them and elevate

00:57:22.740 yourself to a higher plane because of your special snowflake and notice how easily that ties into

00:57:28.420 every modern every modern myth of the narrative that people tell about both politics and metaphysics

00:57:34.260 and religion these days well here's a question that i would throw out and this is just based on

00:57:39.620 an interpretation of the genesis story i'm not gonna make a claim as to whether or not

00:57:44.980 this interpretation is correct but um do you believe consciousness is a good thing for humans

00:57:51.300 to have or not actually let me you know that there was a very interesting interpretation

00:57:57.540 of genesis by c.s lewis do you know where i'm going davis i do know where you're going

00:58:02.500 okay sorry i've got a two-part answer for you okay so the first thing that c.s lewis points out

00:58:08.740 is that the the tree of uh the tree of knowledge was not going to be forbidden for us to us forever

00:58:18.100 it's that we weren't ready for it yet and we jumped the damn gun and it's it's a reflection 0.54

00:58:24.580 on the fact that yes consciousness is good and yet we can barely deal with it in fact it terrifies 0.71

00:58:31.460 people so much that many of them choose to become unconscious animals again please note also this

00:58:37.380 the serpent did not take tempt uh eve the mother of life human life by saying this will make you

00:58:43.540 uh conscious he said this will make you like unto god yep that was the motive also has a part to

00:58:50.740 play yeah the motive also has a part to play in what the in what the crime was hang on hang on

00:59:00.020 hang on a second what what language what what language are we referencing here because um now

00:59:06.500 Now, granted, I'm not a Bible scholar, so I'm going to defer to those here who are. 0.70

00:59:11.020 But was not the reference to Elohim, which is plural, which is gods, like unto the gods?

00:59:16.880 That's what I said. Like unto the gods. That's what I said.

00:59:18.980 Okay, but gods, plural, is not the same as God, the source, the singularity.

00:59:28.360 Wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:59:31.000 No, Elohim in the Christian tradition is accepted as one of the names for God, period.

00:59:36.040 But it's plural. That is not the same as Yahweh.

00:59:40.160 We're Trinitarians. No, this is the Trinity.

00:59:44.260 In the Jewish language, one of the nuances of the speech was that you would speak yourself in the plural if you were an august being like a king.

00:59:54.820 I mean, everything that ends in Im is plural in Hebrew.

00:59:57.960 and in hebrew it was a it was a tradition that if an elevated being like a king was speaking he

01:00:05.880 would refer to himself in the plural whoa wait like the royal we like the royal week like the

01:00:12.420 royal way okay that's right well i'm i'm i'm not sure that that that it is um wise for us to make

01:00:20.120 that interpretation because juda judaism was originally polytheistic all right can i can i

01:00:28.280 this is my this is my area because i'll tell you what this is just now we're getting down to uh

01:00:33.480 arguing over different religious traditions okay the orthodox christian tradition um it has always

01:00:39.480 been referred to pretty much exactly like that more like a royal way it's also been viewed by

01:00:45.000 many that it is one of many um uh uh one of many non-explicit references to the trinity that are in

01:00:53.800 the testament um and so uh and there's quite a bit of quite a bit of i mean jews don't like 1.00

01:01:00.840 that interpretation they're not required to they don't read those books right as far as we're

01:01:05.720 concerned right and then they could you know you can go talk to a jew i have jewish rabbi friends

01:01:09.400 will just say yes you're wrong okay me it's an argument between traditions all this discussion

01:01:17.080 is to one side it still doesn't change the question of what was eve being tempted to do

01:01:21.560 was she being tempted merely to become conscious or she attempted to become conscious so that she

01:01:25.560 could be divine that's a good answer too yeah there is a human state beyond what her beyond

01:01:33.320 what her nature was well let's let's clarify there um was she was she being tempted to become

01:01:39.080 unconscious or was she being tempted to become omnipotent i i don't know that divine and omnipotent

01:01:44.280 are the same thing because because for example she's still being asked to disobey the source of

01:01:51.320 all good divinity divinity there then is different for we heathen because uh our gods there there are

01:02:01.640 interpretations that our gods were once mortals who became gods they became gods by worthing

01:02:06.200 themselves and becoming conscious so yeah we also have saints who have divine powers but they didn't

01:02:15.320 but you but even your divinities didn't become gods by by acts of disobedience no no i just i

01:02:23.080 just wanted to be explicit there because you were using the term to become divine and i don't know

01:02:28.040 that that seeking to become divine is a disobedience to to natural law however i think there is an

01:02:34.360 agreement that there's something in the nature of man that is not in accord with the universe

01:02:40.280 and that this is why we need religion we need to become in accord with the universe and if

01:02:46.280 we leave ourselves to our own devices we go completely astray what i would just say is that

01:02:52.120 from an orthodox christian perspective that we've been reading it this way for 2 000 years so this

01:02:57.000 is just how we read it john is ultimately correct as the scriptures are interpreted

01:03:01.880 the serpent specifically stated eat that and you will become like god um and so yes you're right

01:03:08.120 he was that was the real temptation uh but um and absolutely so but it was and then of course

01:03:15.400 so it was a trick the serpent lied to her and by the way adam wasn't adam the smarter

01:03:20.200 one wasn't there to protect her um um that's one of many many many uh uh nuances to that text um

01:03:28.040 that you can derive.

01:03:30.140 And Adam's also following her

01:03:31.980 onto it.

01:03:34.500 Beta male Adam.

01:03:36.320 Happy wife, happy life.

01:03:37.980 Right, buddy?

01:03:40.280 He couldn't

01:03:42.020 handle his alpha

01:03:43.960 female first wife, which was Lilith. 0.97

01:03:47.620 She became so disgusted with his

01:03:50.000 effeminacy that she left him.

01:03:52.240 The story of Revelations

01:03:53.760 is that the mother

01:03:56.000 and father of all mankind 1.00

01:03:57.240 kind the mother was a cunt and the father was a pussy and that we are all tempted to be that 1.00

01:04:06.680 every single woman out there is tempted to be a domineering harridan and every single 1.00

01:04:12.140 man out there is tempted to be a go along get along submissive

01:04:16.900 you've just described the modern west yes absolutely

01:04:22.340 Which is why one of the modern ones is so dead set against humanity.

01:04:26.720 And if you think about it, it's also dead set against notable pagans.

01:04:30.080 The more honest pagans among us is also dead set against everything you stand for, too.

01:04:34.420 Oh, yeah.

01:04:35.040 I draw fire from both the alt-right and the alt-left.

01:04:38.780 I mean, for obvious reasons.

01:04:39.760 I often tell Arrini, the left is left and the right is left.

01:04:44.080 You know, when you start to rip this down.

01:04:45.840 Their two heads are the same, of the same hydra.

01:04:48.500 Exactly.

01:04:49.420 The heart of the hydra is the same in both the alts.

01:04:52.340 They're godless. They rail against anybody who speaks to matters of natural law and truth

01:05:02.440 and what I consider to be true conservatism, which is, you know, observing natural law.

01:05:08.820 So, yeah, I draw fire from both sides as a heathen. I'm used to it.

01:05:13.700 We've been on the show for now. We haven't mentioned why any of us converted to what we converted to.

01:05:18.260 Was that going to, we were going to address that or were we going to, or was we going to talk about that?

01:05:23.000 How late are we going to go?

01:05:24.900 I usually go for about an hour, an hour and a half or two hours.

01:05:27.860 So we can go for another.

01:05:29.560 I'd say it's up.

01:05:30.520 I mean, if the audience wants us to keep.

01:05:31.820 About a half hour is what I've got.

01:05:33.060 Okay.

01:05:33.680 It's not like we're running short on material.

01:05:36.220 No, in fact, I told everybody, I told everybody, I thought this was why we're Catholic.

01:05:41.300 And we're, we're, we never got to that.

01:05:43.760 We don't have to, but.

01:05:45.340 Do you want to start, Dean?

01:05:46.900 Why don't you start?

01:05:47.600 Sure.

01:05:48.260 Okay, first, on a very deep spiritual level, I truly prefer to be called Max.

01:05:53.320 And it's kind of absurd to me, but you can call me, Dean, if you want.

01:05:55.840 I do like Max better.

01:05:57.040 She's got to play Max, otherwise I won't know who she's talking to.

01:06:00.260 I only know you as Max.

01:06:02.340 Yeah, I have a legal name of Dean Esme.

01:06:04.220 I'm in a movie called The Red Pill, which is very good.

01:06:06.340 You should go see it. 0.98

01:06:07.080 But there's a lot of Luciferian jerks in there. 0.99

01:06:09.460 Hey, I'm in a movie, too. 0.98

01:06:11.040 I'm in a movie called The People vs. George Lucas.

01:06:14.560 well max i will refer to you as max going forward no problem at all um so uh what was it

01:06:24.480 what was it why did why did you convert this to a pagan religion like catholicism

01:06:29.200 why who asked that oh i haven't been asked that i've been asked that i actually i actually

01:06:36.320 consider sola scriptura to have devolved protestantism into a functional sort of pagan

01:06:43.200 stoicism uh i i because i think i i why i became catholic first i had to overcome my atheism

01:06:51.440 um and that was actually really hard because i was my brain was wrapped up in so much material

01:06:56.720 as thinking i think i was genuinely ensorzled um because when you're all when the belt finally

01:07:01.760 snapped loose and i realized how well anyway when i realized i had to be a god there had to be a god

01:07:07.520 then became my search and uh you know i i had studied religion and existence before i studied

01:07:13.940 them all i talked to a lot of religious people i talked to a lot of orthodox jews who are really

01:07:17.900 smart and interesting and helped me understand it's perfectly rational to think there's a god

01:07:21.740 um and and the bottom line is what i asked myself is where is okay i'm probably christianity is

01:07:31.620 what's calling me and at the time for it was in it was like i said you know what choosing it for

01:07:36.440 I believe all religions must have some truth but choosing a religion culture and family reasons are not invalid reasons

01:07:43.000 And so I'm going to have to become probably become a Christian 0.94

01:07:47.200 And so if I'm going to become a Christian, I'm going to take it seriously and what I want to see

01:07:52.580 One of the reasons I became an atheist. We've got some noise in the background or something

01:07:58.200 Is that is that you are any sometimes you have echo mr. Wright

01:08:01.900 Okay, so I'm sorry, how I got here, what I essentially decided is, I mean, I actually

01:08:13.420 entered the church not 100% sure what exactly I thought about Jesus, but what I said, all

01:08:21.640 right, but I'm going to commit to Christianity. I'm going to try my best to commit to this

01:08:25.940 path so then the question was what kind of christian and i had grown up in a mostly

01:08:32.260 not religious home up until their age of roughly eight nine ish says sand maybe um

01:08:41.620 and i was a child of of divorce and abuse and neglect um but whatever uh the suddenly at the

01:08:48.980 age of roughly eight or nine my stepfather decided we're you know we're going to straighten

01:08:53.620 out these family problems we're going to be presbyterians oh okay um um and uh so uh and

01:09:00.520 and my biological father retaliated uh more or less and uh with uh king james and alcoholics

01:09:08.760 anonymous and television evangelists on the tv um also spent one year only one year at saint

01:09:15.480 rita high school um in uh the early 80s on the south side of chicago um where the monks did make

01:09:21.900 an impression. Not always the best impression, although in retrospect, an amazingly strong

01:09:28.000 impression. If nothing else, I knew the Catholics were smart. Plus, I spent a lot of time among

01:09:43.040 Bible Christians who like to get together in their whatever. But anyway, I got ahead 1.00

01:09:48.620 of myself. So that was my upbringing. And then by the age of about the age of third, after I got

01:09:53.200 done, by my sophomore, junior year, I was like, oh, Christianity is garbage. You can just read the 1.00

01:09:58.200 Bible yourself and see. Look at all these different interpretations of the same words. These people

01:10:02.740 are full of it. It's all biggly, biggly nonsense. And these books, these don't hang together. They 0.99

01:10:09.180 just made, they all just make up their own interpretations. And the Catholics just have 1.00

01:10:13.660 the the longest that's and that's how i was and then i got into some new agey shit for a while 0.94

01:10:18.780 i'm sorry i don't know if you swear on here um new agey stuff for a while um uh and then finally

01:10:24.620 was just i i got swayed and pulled into the atheism cult uh started by the popularizer pen

01:10:30.940 gillette and i um i got attracted to so-called skepticism and uh i read all the the books that

01:10:39.420 were all the rage among the technorati in the late 90s and early 2000s. I was reading Steven

01:10:45.100 Pinker and Kurtzweil and all those, Hofstadter and all those modern materialist thinkers,

01:10:55.740 plus all my science fiction choices. I went for the so-called hard science fiction, so I liked

01:10:59.900 Asimov, Heinlein, Clark. I wouldn't call Heinlein the materialist, but Asimov and Clark

01:11:08.940 absolutely um and so my brain was stuck in that above and i came out of it and and said okay

01:11:18.380 which version of christianity has the best claim on being the early church like the original like

01:11:25.180 which one because all these people have their ways of interpreting it and well i know the catholics

01:11:30.060 are obviously wrong about a lot of it but still who and i got to look at everybody and my actual

01:11:35.260 journey it's the evangelicals and it's the king james guys you know um and and the people and

01:11:43.920 some of them are very good people okay but like the mennonites and those guys are such awesome

01:11:48.580 people they're just so horrible wrong on things but i know god loves them i know our lady loves

01:11:53.540 them but um the uh my research actually led me to eastern orthodoxy um and something called

01:12:06.200 the orthodox wiki which you can still go to it is an amazingly wonderful thing orthodox wiki

01:12:10.840 um because that is about what today are called um the pan orthodox maybe i'll just uh pull up

01:12:21.120 orthodox wiki it's it's worth spending time on if you're a catholic or if you're a heathen and want

01:12:26.800 to know more about how christians see the early faith there's four major lines of christianity

01:12:33.840 that can all credibly say they have valid apostolic succession

01:12:39.520 and and you can make a case for the anglicans there's just a dispute over it and a few others

01:12:43.680 but these four main lines um uh stretching from uh originating from assyria alexandria

01:12:51.120 constantinople and rome all have have the strongest possible cases they schismed from each other

01:12:59.840 um i'm i'm less interested in fact than in the eastern orthodox who only split in in uh 1054

01:13:07.120 traditionally um or somewhere around there um i'm even more fascinated i was more fascinated always

01:13:14.720 by the oriental orthodox and the assyrian orthodox um because they split off in the fifth

01:13:20.720 in the four in the 400s the assyrian orthodox in particular um because uh uh in like 425 i think

01:13:30.240 and it was a dispute um one of the interesting positive aspects i would say of vatican ii

01:13:36.240 um and other things that happened among others of these four main branches is that um literally

01:13:42.640 theological disputes between that were they were 1500 years old with the assyrians and when the

01:13:48.880 orthodox were resolved within the last century and now all four of these who splintered off in the

01:13:54.880 fifth century and then in the the 10th or 11th whatever you would call that um they all recognize

01:14:01.760 that everybody there is valid as christians and which had not been the case before and a lot of

01:14:07.200 the like the historian dispute heresy for example in case you've ever heard of it was resolved it's

01:14:12.640 it's no nobody's being accused of being a historian anymore um all four of these major

01:14:18.480 branches could credibly claim at least to the fourth century and it doesn't much take much

01:14:24.000 work to say well and actually that's strong evidence for stuff in the third century and

01:14:28.400 then you look at stuff in the third century and the second orthodox christians believe

01:14:33.760 in the heavenly host the saints in heaven and believe in intercessory prayers for them they

01:14:40.000 They believe in the host of angels and asking for intercessory prayers for them.

01:14:43.880 And they all revere the Blessed Mother of God, the Theotokos, the Holy Virgin Mary, who I'm consecrated to myself, is the Queen of Heaven.

01:14:54.520 They all have priests.

01:14:55.960 They all have priests they call father.

01:14:57.420 Their priests are ordained by men called bishops who all can validly say that their orders derived from the book of Acts when the apostles laid hands upon, I forget his name, to make him one of them.

01:15:12.700 What all of them believe is that we've been in apostolic succession through ordination that way from the book of Acts onward.

01:15:20.940 We all think that.

01:15:22.920 And none of us believe in sola scriptura.

01:15:26.000 None of us believe in sola fide, at least not in the way it's usually formulated or interpreted.

01:15:34.400 All of us believe in the sacraments, in the Eucharist, in infant baptism, in the sacrament of confirmation, in the sacrament of confession and reconciliation, in the Eucharist, that it is the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, the real presence of the Lord God there.

01:15:51.780 all of us believe all these things and then I looked at the Protestants and 0.65

01:15:56.760 said yeah the problem is sola scriptura I'm done and then it was only a question

01:16:02.580 of which branch of Orthodoxy was I going for and ultimately what one of the day

01:16:06.660 for me is I really do think the keys were given to Peter though you can argue

01:16:12.780 that you know maybe Peter has taken that a little too far but some might say

01:16:19.160 that, and there was Thomas Aquinas, there was Chesterton, there was the entire intellectual

01:16:32.680 tradition, there was the monks at St. Rita and Father David Brecht, I pray for his soul in heaven.

01:16:39.080 That's why I'm Catholic. Listen, let me get to some super chats really quickly.

01:16:43.960 Billy the Conqueror sends two U.S. dollars and comments,

01:16:47.340 even the Bible was woke on women, Lau. 1.00

01:16:50.340 Yes, it was.

01:16:53.320 EC2189 Kaku sends U.S. $10 and says,

01:16:56.200 think duality between the solar and the lunar.

01:16:58.960 Light existing in both.

01:17:00.260 The sun unaccompanied itself cannot be looked at or be blinded,

01:17:04.380 but the moon can be looked at in company of the stars.

01:17:08.680 And B-Rail Journey sends U.S. $5.

01:17:10.760 I don't see a reason to attack any path

01:17:13.520 that leads people outside of dildo-verse.

01:17:16.220 I wish Protestants would understand this.

01:17:20.720 There seem to be a lot of people in the comments section

01:17:23.400 that are obsessing over form rather than function,

01:17:27.020 over style rather than substance.

01:17:29.440 Guys, obsessing over style, not substance,

01:17:32.480 is what caused Europe to basically commit cuckoo for 500 years.

01:17:38.160 Welcome to the modern world.

01:17:39.320 Oh, my God. 0.98

01:17:40.180 stop sending me that much money god damn it wow that's a generous super chat it is with the 0.99

01:17:47.760 damn people on the uh on the internet um if sorry if if i may uh ec21 kaku did ask me if i could 0.99

01:18:02.280 comment on that super chat that he made um i'll be happy to to give my thoughts on it 0.98

01:18:08.520 uh i i do see a relationship as well between the solar and the lunar and in fact the two weapons

01:18:15.240 that i often speak of that i carry and wield as afala are the lamp and the mirror and and those

01:18:21.800 are archetypes archetypal symbols of the solar and the lunar i i hope that satisfied your question

01:18:32.280 So I'll take a stab at the question. The, you know, my sister-in-law commented years ago, she commented to my brother that, you know, everybody in your family behaves as if they're Catholic.

01:18:46.500 So that's interesting. I've always had a strong sense of justice. But I'll tell you, following my own wisdom did not lead me to good places. I made quite the ass of myself, despite the fact that I'm not tempted by the typical venial sins that most people are.

01:19:08.020 Nonetheless, left my own devices, I tend to do stupid things. 0.99

01:19:12.060 I needed to put my sights on something higher. 0.93

01:19:15.260 And right around that same time, I ran into an ontological proof of the existence of God.

01:19:19.620 This really blew my mind.

01:19:21.760 I'd been an atheist for all of my 20s.

01:19:25.720 I'd been a very firmly convinced atheist.

01:19:28.520 And running into an ontological proof where the only two answers to the question were God or suicide,

01:19:34.600 is, it's quite, it kind of blows the mind a little bit.

01:19:39.820 It took me a few years to process that.

01:19:42.120 Gurgle's incompleteness theorem, by the way,

01:19:43.940 was the question at hand.

01:19:47.280 And after that, I kind of looked at my life

01:19:50.300 and what I stood for, what I valued,

01:19:52.240 and I realized that the principles I hold to

01:19:55.360 are Catholic principles, that, John C. Wright,

01:20:00.040 you once said, when you were investigating Catholicism,

01:20:03.400 You kept asking questions and asking questions, and at one point, the priest you were speaking to said,

01:20:08.660 like, all right, listen, buddy, up until now, we've had an answer for every single question you have.

01:20:14.960 Why don't you just shut up and trust us?

01:20:17.360 All right? 0.98

01:20:17.740 We've spent 2,000 years thinking about this.

01:20:20.240 We know what we're talking about.

01:20:22.180 I'm sorry.

01:20:22.980 I don't recall that I read.

01:20:24.920 Okay, maybe that was a different apologetic I read.

01:20:28.740 Anyway, somebody wrote that.

01:20:30.240 I thought it was you.

01:20:31.320 I don't know.

01:20:31.620 I don't know.

01:20:31.860 I don't know.

01:20:32.080 Well, here's the thing. If I agree with 99% of Catholic morality, and when I look into Catholicism, I always find a good answer. And if there's a little bit to it that goes against my instincts or doesn't quite make sense to me, shut up and get to work.

01:20:48.820 I don't need to know every single piece

01:20:52.340 I don't need to read every single book

01:20:56.800 ever written by a Catholic scholar

01:20:58.960 I need to be a good Catholic

01:21:02.120 and go out there and do what my duty is

01:21:04.360 and I'll tell you what

01:21:06.020 when I finally worked up the minerals

01:21:08.780 to actually phone one of my local churches

01:21:12.320 and find out how I joined

01:21:13.700 and I went down there and met with the priest

01:21:15.580 and walked into the church

01:21:17.100 the moment I walked into the church

01:21:19.900 I could tell it was my father's house

01:21:21.700 and I could hear angels

01:21:24.140 singing

01:21:24.800 that's awesome

01:21:27.980 when I first converted

01:21:32.040 I was like a

01:21:33.500 orphan who suddenly found out

01:21:35.880 not only that his parents were alive

01:21:37.160 but that his parents were the king and queen

01:21:40.140 because not only was I

01:21:42.140 I had been an atheist since age 7

01:21:43.980 and not just an atheist but a vituperative 1.00

01:21:46.240 evangelical proselytizing

01:21:49.340 atheist. I actively try to convince

01:21:51.140 people to disbelieve in God. In this respect

01:21:53.280 I was lower on the

01:21:55.160 cosmic scale of things than witches

01:21:56.560 who at least believe in the supernatural

01:21:58.460 and at least know that this world is not

01:22:00.620 everything that you see with your eyes is the

01:22:02.700 whole picture of reality.

01:22:06.880 But so I...

01:22:08.280 I don't think I'd like you if you were any other sort of

01:22:10.840 atheist.

01:22:11.160 But, without going into the details of the actual conversion experience, I'll just say that my fellow atheists began to embarrass me because they were wrong on every single moral and social issue and every philosophical issue that they addressed. 0.97

01:22:29.440 And not just wrong, but like boot to the head stompingly wrong. 0.99

01:22:34.980 Idiotically wrong. 0.98

01:22:37.040 Wrong to the point of them abandoning reason and abandoning logic and abandoning truth and abandoning virtue. 1.00

01:22:42.240 They were a disgrace to the forces of evil.

01:22:44.360 So I was embarrassed to be in their company. 0.96

01:22:46.760 And the only people who seemed to be making logical arguments, to my shock and surprise, were not just the Christians, 1.00

01:22:53.040 but the most old-fashioned, conservative, high-bound, reactionary Christians of all. 0.98

01:22:58.360 the horrible statue-worshipping pagan Christians known as the Catholics 1.00

01:23:05.380 who didn't believe in contraception. 0.85

01:23:07.280 Now, I had independently, for reasons that have nothing to do with religion,

01:23:10.660 come to the conclusion that contraception is a grave moral evil.

01:23:13.640 And none of my atheist friends would even try to follow the arguments given 0.98

01:23:18.640 because they had given up belief in logic for some reason.

01:23:23.420 The atheists in the old days actually at least paid lip service to logic,

01:23:26.240 and the atheists nowadays kind of didn't.

01:23:30.500 So once I was Christian, I had to decide which denomination to go to.

01:23:39.220 And I must say I was furious at the Christians for doing this 1.00

01:23:42.680 because after finding out that you're the son of the king and the queen of the universe,

01:23:45.900 you find out they're divorced and they live in different houses

01:23:48.940 and they're going to force you to say which guy is going in which.

01:23:54.660 It forced you to go to one house or the other.

01:23:57.420 I see that Max is now playing solitaire instead of paying attention.

01:24:03.020 I apologize.

01:24:05.200 That's my ADHD.

01:24:06.240 I'm actually listening.

01:24:07.240 That's how I listen.

01:24:08.060 I have to do that.

01:24:09.020 I didn't know I was screen sharing.

01:24:10.280 I am a professional writer.

01:24:12.220 I did not expect anyone to listen to any of my stories.

01:24:14.740 No, I really am listening.

01:24:16.320 I don't mind.

01:24:18.060 I don't care whether you're listening or not.

01:24:19.280 I like to hear my own voice.

01:24:20.560 So, as you can tell, in fact, I interrupt everyone all the time,

01:24:23.600 which for which I also apologize.

01:24:25.420 It's a bit setting sin.

01:24:27.120 So I started looking at the various denominations.

01:24:29.760 Now, as a proselytizing atheist,

01:24:31.580 I was very familiar with all the arguments

01:24:33.120 that atheists use against religion.

01:24:35.360 And so when I talked to my Catholic friends

01:24:36.880 and I talked to my Protestant friends,

01:24:38.860 I found out that the Protestants used 1.00

01:24:41.540 the exact same arguments against the Catholics 0.90

01:24:44.160 that the atheists use against the Christians, 0.91

01:24:46.340 almost word for word.

01:24:48.820 All of the Protestants, 0.73

01:24:50.560 all of the atheist arguments

01:24:52.400 are derived from Protestant arguments.

01:24:54.760 Yes, that's what I found out.

01:24:55.940 It was a surprise to me at first.

01:24:59.400 And I also found out

01:25:01.280 that America, being a Protestant, 0.80

01:25:04.780 mostly a denomination country,

01:25:07.740 the Catholics that I spoke with

01:25:09.120 were very familiar with what the Protestants

01:25:10.580 actually said and preached,

01:25:12.380 and almost none of the Protestants

01:25:13.480 were familiar with what the Catholics said and preached.

01:25:16.500 My wife, who is a very insightful lady,

01:25:18.700 noticed that the

01:25:20.500 noticed that the

01:25:22.020 people making comments on my blog

01:25:24.100 were almost all Catholic.

01:25:26.320 And I seemed to have a very similar mindset to them.

01:25:28.880 Because, of course, I was a very logical fellow.

01:25:30.720 I mean, I was logicked

01:25:32.540 out of atheism to a degree, and I was also

01:25:34.500 supernaturalized out of it.

01:25:36.840 I had a vision.

01:25:39.660 So

01:25:40.100 when I'm going through what the denominations

01:25:42.100 think and believe, I realize that my

01:25:43.820 legal training is insufficient to

01:25:46.340 rehash all the theological

01:25:48.920 arguments that led to the division

01:25:51.060 and the dispute. So all I

01:25:53.060 tried to do was look at

01:25:54.620 what the claims were and see if the claims were

01:25:57.040 symmetrical, to see if they were claiming similar

01:25:59.140 things about

01:26:00.480 the other. And

01:26:02.780 they weren't.

01:26:04.220 The Catholic claim was much more 0.75

01:26:06.820 extraordinary than the Protestant claim.

01:26:09.620 And the Protestant claim is based on the idea 0.92

01:26:11.000 that the Catholics originally had the mandate of heaven

01:26:12.720 and did something to lose it.

01:26:14.360 and that the Catholics somehow produced the Bible, which was sacred,

01:26:21.020 but then didn't have, that the rest of their theology was suspect and corrupt and had to be abandoned.

01:26:29.100 But nowhere either in the Bible or in anything else in Christian tradition could I see the mandate that allows you to create your own church.

01:26:39.660 I didn't see anything, how can I say this?

01:26:42.060 I approach the matter

01:26:43.800 legalistically because I'm a lawyer

01:26:45.420 or a failed lawyer

01:26:46.660 and from a legal point of view, if you have a document

01:26:50.100 that has been interpreted a certain

01:26:52.100 way by a certain group and it's their document

01:26:54.180 to take that document and say

01:26:55.940 this now is the whole of the law

01:26:58.160 and the rest of what they did

01:27:00.100 to build up to write

01:27:01.300 that document

01:27:04.000 is now invalid

01:27:05.040 can't follow logically

01:27:07.340 if you have a letter from the king

01:27:09.440 then the authority of the king

01:27:11.700 is in the letter only because he's the king.

01:27:13.740 You can't have the king's letter

01:27:15.340 unless the king wrote it.

01:27:18.020 Now, if you don't trust

01:27:19.720 the messenger and you say, well, he altered the document

01:27:21.760 or he added to it or he sprouted from it,

01:27:23.660 that's a different argument and that's more subtle

01:27:25.580 and you have to actually look into what the

01:27:27.140 facts are.

01:27:29.520 But if the only warrant for the

01:27:31.740 authority of the Bible

01:27:33.240 is the authority of the

01:27:35.740 Catholic Church, or the

01:27:37.720 Orthodox Church, if you will, or the church before

01:27:39.680 they split the pieces,

01:27:40.420 then anything before the canon was established

01:27:45.800 anything before AD 535 or so

01:27:48.440 has to also be valid

01:27:49.980 if that makes sense

01:27:51.400 the other thing that happened was

01:27:54.300 because I was convinced that contraception was unlawful

01:27:59.040 before I became religious at all

01:28:01.540 any denomination that accepted contraception

01:28:04.560 I couldn't in good faith believe was

01:28:07.260 in accordance with natural law

01:28:09.180 I couldn't believe that any denomination that accepted divorce was in line with natural law.

01:28:15.920 So that eliminated a lot of people right then and there.

01:28:19.620 Now, after reasoning through this, say again?

01:28:22.920 Almost everybody at this point.

01:28:25.260 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:25.860 Even the Orthodox are kind of weak on it.

01:28:28.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:29.740 And my whole intellectual process, in the group chat here, I put the link to my,

01:28:37.840 I actually wrote it all down, because someone asked me, and it's a rather long process, and I don't want to bore everyone.

01:28:43.500 After going through this whole legal process, I eventually reached a point where I said,

01:28:46.620 okay, if they don't have apostolic succession, pardon me, my speech box is going,

01:28:54.360 I don't see how they can claim to be the one true original church.

01:28:59.460 And if they're not claiming to be the one true original church,

01:29:01.200 then they have to claim that the authority rests with individual men to create their own churches,

01:29:05.100 which is not something the Bible says or reflects.

01:29:07.840 and the other thing that did me in

01:29:12.460 in terms of Protestantism was

01:29:14.040 I read a thorough history of all the early heresies

01:29:17.480 up through the 10th or 12th century

01:29:19.800 and one after another after another

01:29:22.200 I just began to see the pattern

01:29:23.960 and Protestantism, I hate to say it, fits the pattern

01:29:27.540 it's no different from Albigensianism

01:29:30.200 except that the Albigensian breakaway failed

01:29:33.160 it was violently suppressed

01:29:35.040 and the Protestant succession succeeded, you know, and one of the things that was also a tipping point for me

01:29:45.660 was the issue of contraception, because before 1930, before Lambert's Concord, in 1930, 1932,

01:29:52.760 all the Christian denominations agreed that it was unlawful, and then the Anglicans in the 1930s said,

01:29:58.080 well, maybe if you're a married couple and you really love each other and there's extraordinary circumstances,

01:30:03.920 You can talk to everybody with your priest or pastor, and then it'll be okay.

01:30:07.760 It's okay.

01:30:08.240 And that led to –

01:30:10.060 It's just the camel's nose.

01:30:12.440 It's just the camel's nose.

01:30:13.300 He just –

01:30:13.320 It's the inside of the –

01:30:14.420 It's fine.

01:30:15.620 Exactly, exactly.

01:30:17.320 So my choices then were limited to Catholic and Greek Orthodox,

01:30:23.220 because they were the ones who seemed to be old enough and firm enough.

01:30:27.480 But the Greek Orthodox, and I don't mean to insult my Greek Orthodox brothers,

01:30:30.700 looked to me like they were too much like a national church.

01:30:33.620 They didn't look to me like they actually had a claim to being the universal church anymore.

01:30:37.600 And part of my decision was just emotional, and I hate to admit this,

01:30:40.300 because I try to live up to the Vulcan standard of being a completely rational being, but I fail.

01:30:46.220 The emotional part was, I'm a man of the West, and so if I wanted to be a member of the church,

01:30:50.740 I wanted to be one that's in my culture and that I'm familiar with.

01:30:53.320 I wanted to be a member of the same church as Robin Hood and King Arthur.

01:30:58.620 So I went to RCIA, and then I was exposed to completely rational arguments.

01:31:06.400 The catechism of the Catholic Church was the only thing aside from English common law

01:31:10.600 that struck me as having true wisdom and true solidity to it.

01:31:14.860 And let me tell you why.

01:31:16.300 In real life, I find there are some issues that have to be black and white, with no exceptions,

01:31:21.600 and other issues where you have to take a very nuanced view and balance a number of competing factors.

01:31:26.920 and the ability to distinguish between those two types of principles, the principles where

01:31:31.740 you need to have a distributive justice of a balance of multiple factors, distributive

01:31:36.960 justice is not the right word, but I'm drawing a blank, and one where it has to be a black 1.00

01:31:41.400 and white issue where you hold the line and there's no exceptions, to be able to distinguish

01:31:45.280 between the one and the other is actually a rather difficult process.

01:31:48.940 And I do think that the Anglo-American common law has that in it, and I also saw that when

01:31:53.640 read the catechism of the catholic church so i thought that there was wisdom there true wisdom

01:31:58.360 divine wisdom uh even if nothing else was was the case and the sola scriptura uh i took to be

01:32:06.920 self-refuting the doctrine of solter's cure is not only not found in the bible but more recent uh

01:32:14.440 scholarly research into which books uh luther threw out of the bible shows that his method

01:32:23.480 deciding to throw them out was based on consulting the jews of his day and age who did not have any 0.99

01:32:30.200 jewish copies of let's say the wisdom of solomon in the second book of maccabees and so they 0.94

01:32:35.320 advised him that those books were were put into the uh put into the canon wrongly do you know that

01:32:41.960 the books he threw out were the same ones the pharisees threw out because they did not like 1.00

01:32:45.800 christ well the i was getting that the the people he consulted were the heirs of the pharisees they

01:32:52.280 They weren't the heirs of the Sadducees, and they weren't the people that were the heirs of the priesthood class. 0.58

01:32:57.100 Those guys had been wiped out by the Romans.

01:33:00.540 So his biblical scholarship was incorrect, and Martin Luther didn't, as far as I know, raise the dead and heal the sick and comfort the poor.

01:33:12.580 He didn't show miracles to show that he was a prophet of God.

01:33:14.900 I mean, Mary McCready has a better claim to being a prophet of God than Martin Luther, because at least she performed miracles. 0.65

01:33:22.280 Okay, so I don't know in what authority he says he can make every man his own pope and every man his own authority

01:33:30.080 Sufficient to interpret the Bible correctly. I'm a lawyer

01:33:32.340 I would not trust every lawyer to interpret the Constitution correctly and lawyers have studied law

01:33:37.340 See, I don't even sure if I trust the Supreme Court once it once it deviates from its its ancient and honorable practice of

01:33:44.900 interpreting according to what what precedent says if you see what I'm saying

01:33:48.960 we got a super chat from ec2189 kaku saying atheists believing in disbelief

01:33:58.600 i think the context was when you were mentioning because i went through the same thing you know

01:34:03.600 with atheism as an atheist you study it it's like well you know free market economy seems to be the

01:34:08.380 best way to organize society well you know what uh conservatism yeah you need to have children to

01:34:12.820 have a society and then you look at the rest of the atheists and they're screaming bloody murder 1.00

01:34:17.520 over a Republican

01:34:19.360 getting elected, and they're 0.99

01:34:21.340 having all sorts of sex, all of which is 0.98

01:34:23.240 non-propriative. 0.57

01:34:26.160 Really good use of those

01:34:27.380 logical faculties, atheists. 0.96

01:34:29.720 Well, a lot of the

01:34:30.300 atheists fall into two groups, and the

01:34:33.280 two camps are the

01:34:34.620 two Harris, as you mentioned before.

01:34:37.700 Libertarian atheists believe that every man lives for himself

01:34:39.560 and is basically just a

01:34:40.920 trouserless ape, but who has

01:34:43.360 higher aspirations, and the communist atheists

01:34:45.540 believe that man is a meat robot

01:34:47.280 who has no higher aspirations uh but neither one of them have any both of them are erecting

01:34:53.600 a castle in the clouds they don't have any foundation to their beliefs they don't have

01:34:56.800 a proper metaphysical foundation for their beliefs they believe they believe that science can tell

01:35:00.560 you everything about the material universe but they can't tell you where the human mind comes

01:35:03.840 from that is enabled that it enables us to understand uh the reason behind the rational

01:35:11.120 universe I mean it if it if you say we just evolved that means our brains are

01:35:17.340 just that organ that happens to be useful for promoting procreation it

01:35:23.180 doesn't mean that that utility tells us true from false it might tell us useful

01:35:29.240 from useless but certainly can't grasp things like abstractions like you know

01:35:34.620 triangles or truth or beauty or even mathematical concepts are non-physical

01:35:40.940 No one's ever seen a geometrical line. They're infinitely thin. You can't see them with your eye.

01:35:45.360 How do you know such a thing exists? How do you know that two straight lines crossing each other have equal opposite angles?

01:35:49.820 Well, you know it's because of logic.

01:35:51.360 Seriously, go tell that to Thunderfoot. He will lecture you about how you can see a geographic line.

01:35:56.700 He drew one in AutoCAD. 1.00

01:35:59.260 He's such an idiot. I mean, he's such a... 1.00

01:36:02.660 I could rant forever on what the X-Men Apes phenomenon is.

01:36:06.640 It must have some length. It must have some breadth, otherwise photons wouldn't bounce off it.

01:36:10.120 I've been extremely patient, and it's all been very interesting, but I need to say something to the folks in the chat.

01:36:21.080 Look, I know that there are a lot of intense emotions and differing perspectives by everyone who's present,

01:36:30.120 but please, people, will you exercise respect when you are speaking to each other in the chat?

01:36:35.700 the Christians and the heathens 1.00

01:36:38.480 and anybody else, just please

01:36:40.180 respect each other when you're conducting

01:36:42.220 your debates. Thank you.

01:36:44.220 Christian and heathens, you have to recognize 1.00

01:36:46.340 you should respect each other because we have

01:36:48.160 a mutual enemy. The atheists want to 1.00

01:36:50.200 wipe both of us out. 0.99

01:36:52.240 They may be friendly to the heathens

01:36:54.480 than they are to the Christians, but they have 0.99

01:36:56.220 no respect for the

01:36:57.920 rule that if you

01:37:00.140 do evil, it will come back at you sevenfold.

01:37:02.240 They don't have any respect for the marriage

01:37:04.360 oath that's protected by

01:37:06.580 the father and the

01:37:08.740 mother gods. They don't have

01:37:10.660 any respect for your right to raise your

01:37:12.700 children with your own values and

01:37:14.640 beliefs. They don't have any respect

01:37:16.600 for your right to have a private opinion

01:37:18.480 inside your brain.

01:37:20.260 All the Christian denominations and 0.96

01:37:24.480 all the heathens and everyone else who's religious 1.00

01:37:26.580 even slightly, we have a mutual

01:37:28.520 enemy, so we can't afford to

01:37:30.360 snipe at each other

01:37:32.220 in a disrespectful way.

01:37:33.580 call each other by your last names

01:37:35.680 even those who do not subscribe to a religious faith

01:37:42.540 but who are philosophical and orient themselves

01:37:45.320 toward the highest good in accordance with

01:37:47.380 Aristotelian ethics and so forth

01:37:49.140 what Irini is providing here for us

01:37:52.480 is a wonderful forum for all of us

01:37:57.420 who are committed to our European ethics

01:38:00.380 and our culture and orienting ourselves

01:38:03.300 to the highest good um to come together and reason and build bridges so please exercise

01:38:09.940 some respect and courtesy in the chat there's a reason i start with that prayer because that's

01:38:15.140 a prayer that any man of faith and any man that values truth goodness and beauty can agree with

01:38:24.500 that offends no spiritual man and by the way okay let's jump back and i should mention

01:38:33.060 when i was an atheist i was not one of these uh i was an atheist who believed that truth was true

01:38:37.780 and it was an absolute i'm a philosopher a philosopher is someone who loves truth

01:38:42.180 that's just not just it's not just thinking truth is useful to you okay and that was the thing that

01:38:47.220 slowly drove me one step at a time away from my atheism because my my sense of logic could not

01:38:51.780 reconcile what what my brain told me the universe was supposed to be like a flat material uh a

01:38:58.420 machine with no with no hope and no goodness in it with what my with what my eyes saw they so

01:39:06.660 there's a lot more the the forces of the devil have have a lot uh they know what we all have

01:39:14.260 in common despite our disagreements about about you know what the name of the queen in heaven is

01:39:19.700 right right this is why it said that the the devil's the prince of the earth

01:39:24.020 If you look at nothing but the material realm, it is hopeless.

01:39:28.140 It is entropy.

01:39:29.820 It is.

01:39:30.780 And if you subscribe to this...

01:39:32.600 And you might as well sleep around.

01:39:33.760 That's what it's all ultimately for.

01:39:35.980 One reason why my philosophy drove me towards theology

01:39:38.900 was that modern philosophy, almost all,

01:39:41.080 is just people trying to justify their sexual misbehaviors.

01:39:46.640 There's really nothing to it.

01:39:47.900 They're looking for excuses so they can commit sins.

01:39:50.360 Now, I, as an atheist, didn't have a word sin in my vocabulary,

01:39:52.780 but I did have a word for things like crime

01:39:55.120 and self-destructive behavior

01:39:56.780 and illogical behavior and immoral behavior

01:39:59.100 I didn't know what those things were

01:40:00.580 I was certainly

01:40:02.700 I was certainly a flawed

01:40:04.600 I'm a flawed Catholic

01:40:05.940 I was a flawed atheist but yes even at the time

01:40:08.840 I believed in heroism

01:40:11.120 I believed in beauty

01:40:12.440 I believed in truth and I believed

01:40:14.580 in a goodness that was

01:40:16.880 more than just utilitarianism

01:40:18.720 I believed in some sort of

01:40:21.000 inherent goodness

01:40:22.540 that murdering a million people

01:40:24.920 to benefit the civilization, that's not good.

01:40:28.080 I don't care

01:40:28.820 if the math works out for you, Stalin. 0.63

01:40:31.180 That's not good.

01:40:32.900 And here's the other thing I noticed.

01:40:35.060 I noticed one very simple argument

01:40:36.720 I could use over and over again,

01:40:38.520 almost infinitely, against any modern point of view

01:40:40.980 which would...

01:40:42.800 All I did was judge it by its own standards.

01:40:45.080 I would say...

01:40:46.100 A relativist would come to me and he'd say,

01:40:48.020 all truth are relative. And I would say, well, what about your truth?

01:40:50.800 and someone else would come and say

01:40:53.040 all points of view are equally valid

01:40:54.460 and say well my point of view is that all points of view are equally valid

01:40:57.220 if my point of view is equally valid

01:40:58.660 then you have to believe it

01:41:00.160 you have to give it equal weight with the point of view

01:41:02.620 that all points of view are equally valid

01:41:03.820 or they would

01:41:05.420 basically almost all modern

01:41:08.160 philosophy boils down to someone trying to make the assertion

01:41:10.900 that truth is not true

01:41:12.300 but it's a manifest self-contradiction

01:41:14.900 all these, picture yourself 1.00

01:41:16.620 an idiot gardener sitting on a branch 1.00

01:41:18.500 that he's busily trying to saw off 1.00

01:41:20.080 almost everything.

01:41:22.500 Marxism starts from the idea

01:41:24.460 that people only say what they say

01:41:26.600 because of the material circumstances

01:41:28.100 of the economic

01:41:30.000 institutions surrounding them

01:41:31.860 organize their thoughts and their consciousness.

01:41:35.040 Well, if that's true, then Marx himself

01:41:36.500 being a son of a middle class,

01:41:38.080 his doctrines would be

01:41:40.660 merely the

01:41:42.020 exclusion of a

01:41:44.480 brain organism with no thought and no truth

01:41:46.380 to it. So it refutes itself.

01:41:48.260 the belief that morality

01:41:52.240 is only man made

01:41:53.860 and therefore can be overturned by man

01:41:56.080 is a belief you believe only if you don't

01:41:58.560 even to argue whether that's true

01:42:00.400 or false, you have to decide

01:42:02.240 whether to be honest or not, whether you

01:42:04.100 abide by the rule that honesty is

01:42:06.260 better than dishonesty, but that's a moral rule

01:42:08.560 even to make an intellectually

01:42:10.460 honest inquiry

01:42:12.500 as to whether intellectual honesty is necessary

01:42:14.660 requires intellectual honesty

01:42:17.360 Okay?

01:42:17.920 To say that there's no truth requires that you believe in truth in order to say it.

01:42:21.200 To argue that the human mind is innately warped by our race and sex and culture never to be logical

01:42:26.960 is itself to make a logical argument appealing to our sense of logic.

01:42:31.440 And on and on and on.

01:42:32.560 And all of these.

01:42:33.260 Nietzsche does it too.

01:42:34.360 Hegel does it too.

01:42:35.820 And on and on.

01:42:37.340 Let me get some super chats here.

01:42:38.820 We got VRL Journey says U.S. $5 and says Sola Scriptura is borderline idolatry.

01:42:44.140 You need to know history and tradition to understand your metaphysical place as a Christian in the present day

01:42:54.080 It also about the numerology. Do you see the way they pitch Bible verses at each other almost like spells?

01:43:02.120 It's it's it's really it spiritually it really I think it's I'm repelled by it. I grew up around it though

01:43:08.320 I'm not repelled by it, but I do notice that Trinitarianism is something that all the mainstream product is not in the Bible.

01:43:19.240 That was decided upon by the early councils, the Council of Nicaea and so on and so forth.

01:43:24.700 If you accept the legal authority of those early councils, then you have to accept the authority of the Roman Catholic Church

01:43:29.360 because it was under that authority that they were held.

01:43:31.960 My Greek Orthodox friends might disagree with this to whose authority it was,

01:43:34.540 but even they would say it was church authority to decide what the Bible meant.

01:43:38.320 If they agree with the Council of Nicaea, why do they disagree with the Council of Trent?

01:43:42.400 It's the same organization. They have the same authority.

01:43:45.600 The terminology you're looking for is the Undivided Church,

01:43:48.880 because this was all before the Assyrians left and before the Oriental Orthodox, too.

01:43:52.800 This all happened before the Undivided Church with all those branches and all that Catholic stuff. 0.88

01:43:57.680 So yeah, the Undivided Church did that.

01:44:00.160 And we had priests and bishops when we made that Bible for you.

01:44:03.520 The Bible, in fact, is younger than adoration of Mary and other things that they objected.

01:44:08.800 Now, as an atheist, I had no instinctive distrust and dislike of Mary.

01:44:14.920 I had no preference to whether to have stained glass windows or clear windows, whether to have statues or no statues, because I was an atheist.

01:44:20.500 I hated all of it.

01:44:22.820 So to me, as an atheist, I had no internal barriers to overcome to become a Catholic.

01:44:29.020 I merely looked at the legality of it.

01:44:30.680 I didn't even look at who was more useful to me or who was more appealing to me.

01:44:35.580 I didn't take things like emotions into account when I made the decision.

01:44:39.460 I just took into account what the claims were to be the original church

01:44:44.100 and whether or not the people who broke away made a legitimate claim

01:44:47.640 as to having the authority to lawfully break away.

01:44:51.300 And my conclusion was that they did not.

01:44:54.160 All right, we have a question from Strontium19 who asks,

01:44:57.720 Hey, Throon, can you address the charge of religious communism that Carolyn Emmerich has levied against Christianity?

01:45:04.680 I listened to her stream just before this.

01:45:07.460 And, you know, I'm just going to – I think I know what she's talking about.

01:45:12.220 But, hey, Throon, you have the floor.

01:45:15.100 Okay.

01:45:15.660 Well, I mean, to be completely fair, I cannot address a charge that I am not familiar with.

01:45:20.600 I would actually have to listen to Carolyn Emmerich's stream to be informed about what specifically she is asserting there.

01:45:28.300 If you want to summarize it for me in the chat,

01:45:31.000 I'll try to address it a little bit later.

01:45:34.560 Yeah, I just want to be responsible about that.

01:45:36.940 Sorry.

01:45:37.580 Well, I'll tell you what I think she's getting at.

01:45:39.940 And this is actually one of my major challenges

01:45:42.140 in coming to the church,

01:45:43.520 was getting past the nice guy Jesus,

01:45:48.440 pacifist Jesus, church humanity, church of nice.

01:45:52.560 Dang it, you're right.

01:45:54.960 Happy clapping Jesus.

01:45:56.000 he's painted as this 0.99

01:45:57.960 smelly hippie that likes to hug 0.99

01:46:00.180 sheep all the time 0.96

01:46:01.640 I thankfully

01:46:04.580 did not have that dirt

01:46:06.160 to overcome

01:46:06.660 the most religious exposure I had as a kid

01:46:10.180 was with Mormonism

01:46:11.900 oh god

01:46:13.020 JW is the same way 1.00

01:46:16.100 listen I know some really good Mormons

01:46:18.180 I'm sorry I'm not trying to attack anybody

01:46:19.740 all the individual Mormons I know

01:46:22.020 are really stand up guys

01:46:23.500 and they're really nice guys but there's

01:46:26.000 Theology is just whack.

01:46:28.240 Theology is just way up. 0.99

01:46:30.080 I'd rather, frankly, hang out with a witch or an ass of truth 0.99

01:46:34.100 because their theology makes more sense to me. 0.99

01:46:36.440 No offense to the Mormons.

01:46:39.640 You know what?

01:46:40.240 Can I even answer to this question on the Jesus Christianity as a socialist, huh?

01:46:46.440 Let me just finish.

01:46:47.700 It's like that song, Close But Kind of Meatless,

01:46:49.900 just like actors that play Jesus on movies of the week.

01:46:52.420 It turns me off.

01:46:53.920 these weird bearded men walking around in sand.

01:46:57.240 Like, I don't even know what that is.

01:46:59.360 You know, it was actually reading the thing.

01:47:02.320 And, you know, Haythroon and I,

01:47:03.800 we were talking about the alpha versus the chad.

01:47:06.620 Christ is an alpha, okay?

01:47:08.460 Christ sees some people selling sacrificial animals

01:47:12.500 at inflated prices inside the temple.

01:47:14.960 And he pulls out his whip 1.00

01:47:16.300 and starts whipping the sons of bitches 1.00

01:47:18.280 and says, get out of my father's house. 1.00

01:47:20.880 He tells his followers,

01:47:22.460 Sell your cloak and buy a sword.

01:47:24.760 He says, look, listen, somebody doesn't want to follow you?

01:47:27.380 F them. 0.85

01:47:28.380 Kick the dust off your sandals. 0.87

01:47:29.860 Go to the next door.

01:47:30.840 It's their problem.

01:47:31.120 And he says, if you want to follow me, pick up a cross, 0.97

01:47:34.440 which is what you do when you're going to the execution ground.

01:47:37.280 He's not saying, come with me to the nice flowery meadow

01:47:40.820 and dance a dance of kindness.

01:47:42.660 He's saying, you're going to be reviled and spat upon and tortured 1.00

01:47:46.420 and bound and killed if you follow me. 0.99

01:47:49.600 He's not promising a lot of roses. 1.00

01:47:51.520 This is not a religion for pussies. 1.00

01:47:54.080 Can I address the socialist angle now? 0.99

01:47:56.620 Because I'm familiar with this line of thinking.

01:47:59.420 And it does come from explicit Marxist doctrine.

01:48:02.480 And it does go back to something I said almost two hours ago,

01:48:05.160 which is that whenever you look at the social justice left, the cultural Marxists,

01:48:09.160 they're always some kind of weird, bizarre old version of Christianity. 0.89

01:48:12.240 And people who have either a shallow read of the Bible or an axe to grind against Christians

01:48:16.140 or just come from a primitive sola scriptura tradition can really look at the Bible and say,

01:48:20.400 yes you're supposed to give up all your property there's there's a there's a there's passages where

01:48:24.480 you know all those followers gave up everything and and if you interpret the whole thing shallowly

01:48:29.280 you'll come to that that that conclusion that that you know christianity is inherently socialist

01:48:35.600 but that's because that's a like an intentionally primitive and ultimately marxist derived i believe

01:48:42.080 probably i'm not accusing this lady of anything because there's a lot of people don't know where 0.95

01:48:45.440 these ideas came from um and because it's been you know these ideas have inserted into culture

01:48:50.160 So there's no accusation, but I would bet this is where it's coming from

01:48:52.860 Jesus as a socialist is something that Marxists have been peddling for more than a hundred years

01:48:57.960 and

01:49:00.540 Liberation theology and all that and here's the thing. It's always a work for war perversion 0.84

01:49:04.960 Christians are absolutely required to give things to the poor and to help the needy. Absolutely 0.98

01:49:11.000 We are individually required to do that

01:49:14.680 we are not

01:49:16.680 Supposed to form a collective where we decide how best to distribute resources

01:49:20.720 That's dead. Christ doesn't say steal your neighbor's cloak and give that to the poor. He never says that

01:49:27.620 Yeah, yeah

01:49:29.460 The baril of poverty is a special spiritual adventure set aside for those who are called to that kind of thing

01:49:35.220 Guys like monks or the early apostles

01:49:38.240 The guy who was talking to these, the rich young man he was talking to asked him

01:49:41.980 What do I need to do to be perfect?

01:49:43.540 and Christ answers that question differently

01:49:46.220 than when the guy says what do I need

01:49:48.200 to do to see the kingdom of God

01:49:49.760 what do I need to do to get eternal life

01:49:51.500 because the answer to the first question is

01:49:54.380 obey the ten commandments

01:49:55.320 and do the will of the Father

01:49:57.640 the answer to the second one is

01:49:59.360 sell all your goods, give it everything to the poor

01:50:01.740 but he's asking that guy if he's willing to take

01:50:04.660 the special spiritual adventure

01:50:06.740 of becoming a priest or a bishop or a monk

01:50:08.480 say the difference is a Marxist

01:50:10.580 now thinks everyone should live like monks

01:50:12.480 In the Middle Ages, only the people who were called to live like monks lived like monks.

01:50:16.360 The gods who were called to be knights were knights and killed the pan in. 1.00

01:50:22.600 Traditionally, it's also understood that the very early, earliest Christians,

01:50:25.980 those in the Book of Acts, were all forming the very earliest church.

01:50:29.440 They were going to form the bishops, the priests, and the very rock of the community,

01:50:34.180 and they were expected that.

01:50:35.620 Later on in the Bible, and as Christianity developed in the first couple of centuries,

01:50:39.660 including saint paul himself so this is even in the bible itself it became plain that no christians

01:50:44.540 are going to have to support themselves and and and and they're not required to again they you

01:50:50.940 know the ideal might be to live communitarianly and people who join full-on religious communities

01:50:55.900 become monastics and do that but it's been understood from the beginning christians are

01:50:59.580 supposed to support themselves or find a way in society you are supposed to contribute you are

01:51:03.980 supposed to first take care of yourself then you are to take care of those immediately nearest to

01:51:08.140 to you, your family, and then your neighbors, and your community, and you're supposed to

01:51:15.140 go in that bottom-up order.

01:51:17.320 First it's on you to take care of yourself.

01:51:19.480 Second, you're supposed to take care of everybody around you.

01:51:21.800 Third, if you can't do that, you might have to go to higher and higher levels.

01:51:25.460 What's happened with the modern thinking is that it's completely inverted that model,

01:51:29.720 so it's got the same assumption of moral-

01:51:31.720 can i can i can i can i pray protestant a protestant uh numbered spell it is he who

01:51:38.520 does not work shall not eat is from second thessalonians 310. so there we go yeah it's

01:51:45.880 when christ says to that guy oh you want to follow me sell all your worldly possessions

01:51:50.920 he was saying it to that guy that guy who who he was asking i thought the guy was asking to be an

01:51:56.840 apostle okay i was walking up this guy was walking up in fancy robes and he's like hey how do i get

01:52:03.820 this i want to stamp i want to be a holy man it's like oh you do do you you sell everything you own

01:52:09.920 that's your that's your price um hey i don't know if you you you've paid similar price like if you

01:52:17.960 want to be holy you got to pay the price for some of us sell your worldly possessions for others

01:52:23.760 be willing to die for the sake of

01:52:25.940 your nation. 1.00

01:52:27.980 Or you could be a coward. 1.00

01:52:30.340 You know? Up to you. 1.00

01:52:31.720 That's the price. He's not saying that's

01:52:33.800 everybody's price. That was this guy's

01:52:36.140 price. It's the same thing

01:52:37.760 when he says...

01:52:38.900 He explicitly says what everyone's price is later on.

01:52:41.480 You have to become baptized. You have to take 1.00

01:52:43.880 his name. You have to do the will of the Father.

01:52:46.000 He says what you need to do

01:52:47.580 to get the rewards he promises.

01:52:50.560 And being a communist is not one of them.

01:52:52.020 it's it's uh max is entirely right it's just based on a shallow reading that's that's based

01:52:57.540 on a dishonest argument that the enemies of of christianity concocted in order to try to to erode

01:53:05.780 the western civilization anyway it's nine o'clock so i got it i have to sign off because i have

01:53:10.980 other things i need to do this evening all right i'm i'm flagging out and tired too um i i would

01:53:19.380 love to hear heathen's personal journey and her spiritual tradition sometime but i hope we have

01:53:24.820 time tonight god bless you john talk to you soon god bless you and i'll you and i have a date on

01:53:30.500 i think uh this coming wednesday well very much our first one new october so that'll be in uh

01:53:36.900 October 3rd.

01:53:38.100 October 3rd.

01:53:39.180 See you, sir.

01:53:39.680 Adios.

01:53:40.420 God bless you all.

01:53:41.940 Pleasure meeting you guys.

01:53:44.040 God bless you, man.

01:53:46.060 God bless.

01:53:47.840 And you know what?

01:53:48.500 I'm going to – Christ actually specifically tells off Judas for promoting socialism.

01:53:55.040 When the lady is washing his feet with scented oil, Judas sneaks up and says,

01:54:01.340 couldn't we sell that oil and give the money to the poor? 0.94

01:54:04.400 And Christ looks at him and says, hey, listen, buddy, the poor will always be with you.

01:54:08.180 I'm only here for a while.

01:54:11.280 So, no, not socialism.

01:54:13.180 This is her oil.

01:54:14.240 She's choosing to do this.

01:54:15.580 You don't get to tell her what to do with her property.

01:54:19.260 So I do feel where Carolyn's coming from, that there is, the Church of Soy is very rampant these days. 0.97

01:54:25.260 But it's heretical.

01:54:26.980 It's not the church itself.

01:54:29.420 Now, we got a lot of comments.

01:54:32.600 We got some cleaning up to do.

01:54:33.800 i i know sorry sorry i had to step away for a moment because i had to use the bathroom but uh

01:54:39.560 i was very patient uh yeah some people had some questions go ahead yes uh hey droon can you

01:54:47.240 address the oh wait sorry i read that one um virile journey says hey droon what's your opinion

01:54:54.600 of the carthaginian and babylonian paganism i i don't have one i'm a germanic heathen

01:55:01.960 uh that's really my area of concentration so i i mean again i i'm kind of outside of my area there

01:55:08.600 sorry well i'll give you my opinion is something happened something went very foul with the indo

01:55:15.560 europeans when they went south when they went east into india things more or less remained okay

01:55:24.440 indians are fine people it just they're they're quite distinct from europeans by this point 1.00

01:55:29.160 When the Indo-Europeans went west, things were okay. 1.00

01:55:33.400 But when they went south, something really twisted happened.

01:55:37.120 And the Indo-European gods became demonic. 0.97

01:55:41.260 So you look at, again, look, I'm not specifically talking about Marduk or whomever.

01:55:47.320 There was some good in all of that.

01:55:48.540 But when you look at Baal, when you look at Moloch, these are all versions of the Indo-European gods that have gone completely foul and demand the sacrifice of infants. 0.97

01:55:58.440 So you look at the Hittites, you look at Carthage, you even look to what the Jews kept going back to. 1.00

01:56:09.100 The Jews kept going back to the golden calf and sacrificing babies to it. 1.00

01:56:14.380 The golden calf wasn't something they made up while Moses was up the mountain.

01:56:17.800 It was the bullheaded God that demands the blood of infants.

01:56:21.320 They keep going back to this.

01:56:22.920 So something very, very foul happened in the Middle East. 1.00

01:56:26.280 And part of the reason that the Old Testament is so strict

01:56:31.220 is it's really trying to break the Jews away 0.85

01:56:34.300 from the evil pagan cults of the Middle East. 0.98

01:56:39.080 So that's another thing to keep in mind.

01:56:40.920 When the Old Testament is talking about pagan cults, 0.71

01:56:43.440 it's talking about Moloch.

01:56:45.800 It's Moloch and Baal. 0.97

01:56:47.820 It's not talking about Tyr, Odin.

01:56:50.960 It's not talking about Kernunos.

01:56:53.240 It's not talking about Jupiter.

01:56:55.620 All right. Well, those Germanic deities have their origin in the Indus Valley and the Vedic tradition.

01:57:02.900 Well, and so do the Babylonian gods. So does the Jewish god. 0.82

01:57:11.300 It's a weird thing. It's a complex thing.

01:57:15.640 But it's quite interesting how they're still worshiping the same gods as the Carthaginians and the Golden Calf.

01:57:27.800 Like in today's world, out in Hollywood, they're worshiping those gods.

01:57:30.860 Hillary Clinton's worshiping those gods. 0.62

01:57:33.560 Are there any other questions from the chat?

01:57:36.000 I feel a little badly that I wasn't able to answer some of the earlier super chats,

01:57:41.080 either because I didn't feel qualified based on my knowledge or, yeah, I think that was pretty

01:57:46.740 much the reason. And I know that Max and John had a pretty intense exchange there about-

01:57:55.000 They had quite a bit to say.

01:57:56.220 They had a lot to say. So yeah, I mean, I've seen the chat, like people seem to be interested in

01:58:01.900 what I have to share. So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them now if I can.

01:58:06.100 let's see uh coward the dog says why are anglo-saxon accents so sexy hey through

01:58:12.980 uh you know i've always been fond of anglo-saxon it's the language that i choose to use in our

01:58:20.560 rituals here um now i'm of germanic and italian origin so i i wanted to incorporate something

01:58:27.640 of one of those two uh ethnicities since that's part of my blood and uh anglo-saxon obviously is

01:58:34.000 a Germanic language, but it's very beautiful. I know that Tolkien incorporated a lot of it in

01:58:39.460 his work in The Lord of the Rings. It was one of many of the Northern European languages that

01:58:43.860 inspired his work. Viral Journey asks if Freya is your patron goddess. Yes, she is.

01:58:53.780 There's a topic. I wonder if you wanted to speak to this. We were discussing misinterpretations of

01:59:00.540 Bible. There's that bit where the guy approaches Christ and says, what do I need to do if I'm

01:59:06.040 going to follow you? And Christ looks him up and down and says, you need to sell all your

01:59:09.640 possessions and give the money to the poor. And people mistake this for saying everybody needs

01:59:16.100 a vow of poverty or that you need to give everything to the poor and bankrupt yourself.

01:59:20.080 No, no, no, no. That was a contextual statement. He looked at this guy and looked at the way he

01:59:25.660 was dressed and the way he was carrying himself. And so this guy obviously doesn't want to suffer.

01:59:30.540 He's a rich man that just wants an extra little bell around his neck to say he's also a holy man.

01:59:36.240 So he said, all right, you want to follow me?

01:59:37.960 This is your price.

01:59:39.720 Right.

01:59:40.240 This is not everybody's price.

01:59:41.740 This is your price because the gods are going to demand a price from you.

01:59:45.660 Right.

01:59:46.560 Well, that kind of dovetails onto something that Freya shared with me some years ago about value.

01:59:53.580 And she said to me, whatever it is that you believe that you value, cast it into the fire and see if it burns.

01:59:59.940 test it, prove it. If it burns up and turns to ashes, then it was never yours to begin with,

02:00:05.220 and you shouldn't warn the loss of it. But if it endures, it is yours forever, and no one can take

02:00:10.700 it from you. And then she said to me, what would you rather have for your wealth in this world,

02:00:15.140 a pocket full of diamonds or a pocket full of coal? And that has stuck with me all these years

02:00:21.220 about value and what we value and how we have to test that through sacrifice. Sometimes it can be

02:00:28.480 very hard to take something that we're very attached to uh including a belief and and submit

02:00:35.920 that to a test of fire and find out what it actually is does it stand up to the test

02:00:44.320 thoughts about the normies can't meme in europe um i haven't heard that one i'm not sure i

02:00:52.880 understand what is he saying thoughts about the normies and they can't meme in europe

02:00:58.480 i i don't understand what he's trying to communicate there i'm sorry i don't know that

02:01:04.480 that metamine um okay virile journey asks is the story of freya and balder interpreted

02:01:14.080 i've always seen her as a suffocating mother a suffocating mother i i don't really see freya as

02:01:22.180 a mother figure her primary function is she is the queen of the valkyries she is the goddess of 0.97

02:01:28.040 love and war. Her primary function is one I see of creative and destructive fire. She's a fire

02:01:35.100 goddess. She's also, of course, the goddess of witches, of wise women. She instructs Odin in

02:01:41.720 the art of Sæðr. I don't see her as a mother figure at all. She is a free woman. She is unbound.

02:01:51.080 She would be a suffocating mother, which is why she's not a mother. 0.94

02:01:54.680 yeah i mean i mean she yeah i mean she is attributed it as to having two daughters

02:02:01.200 um by by other which is uh the cosmic consciousness but her daughters seem to be

02:02:10.440 more uh elements than personalities uh one i think is interpreted as um as shining and the

02:02:19.020 other one is interpreted as brightness almost as if they're aspects of light or aspects of sun

02:02:22.920 energy so while uh freya is a creative and destructive goddess she's not a goddess that 0.99

02:02:31.320 is associated with domesticity and um what might be what might be attributed to sort of the base

02:02:38.200 aspects of of the creative feminine she is a magical goddess she is associated with the more 1.00

02:02:46.600 spy of a fiery spiritual acts aspects of creation in my interpretation and in my experience of her

02:02:53.800 and she crushes weak men which is why you guys really shouldn't mess with hate room

02:02:59.480 well she's a testing force i mean fire is a testing force of men um in fact one might liken 0.99

02:03:06.520 her to the forge you know i mean the vagina is a forge when you think about it um a man finds 1.00

02:03:13.640 out what he is when he is submitted to the heat and pressure of the forge oh wow love it when you

02:03:20.580 put it like that uh easy 2189 kaku uh clarifies article 13 in the new eu uh charter i don't know 0.93

02:03:31.280 what it is basically they're trying to pass this new damn fool law which says that you aren't

02:03:39.940 allowed to you need to provide citations and sources for absolutely everything you use you 0.97

02:03:46.960 aren't allowed to quote newspaper articles without paying them it completely goes against

02:03:52.600 you know fair use it's honestly guys from what i've seen of it it is such a clusterfuck of a law

02:03:59.680 that nothing's going to come from it oh is it just another attempt to try to to restrict or

02:04:05.900 block free speech essentially yeah exactly and guys let's be frank at this point illegal is

02:04:13.860 whatever the cops show up at your door for there's a reason that giudalini is spelled with a u and not

02:04:19.800 an ew okay it's everything's illegal these days question is what can we get away with now in the

02:04:29.060 good news uh the trump administration has just begun the crackdown on the alphabet companies

02:04:37.460 out there so we are going to see some antitrust legislation applied hopefully yeah that's a very

02:04:44.160 encouraging sign and and uh yeah hell harbin hell's harbinger which is that's actually bull

02:04:49.960 worker he had to change his account thank you for being the voice of reason yeah um and he is

02:04:55.560 correct uh balder's mother is frig not freya uh frig is a different aspect of the divine feminine

02:05:02.500 much like mary frig doesn't really say very much that's one of the tests for a marian apparition

02:05:10.060 one of the the the qualifiers for if it's a real apparition did she speak a lot because mary never

02:05:18.060 says very much she says exactly what needs to be said and nothing else if the marian apparition

02:05:24.900 gives a giant long lecture they that's like that wasn't married yeah i mean a way you can look at

02:05:31.860 this uh and this is uh exclusively within the norse germanic pantheon is that frig and freya

02:05:39.700 are two aspects of the divine feminine they both share an intimate relationship with odin 0.89

02:05:46.180 frig could be seen as the passive uh aspect of the feminine she rules over domesticity 1.00

02:05:53.620 wifery, motherhood. She's the one who sees all fate, but keeps silent, does not speak it. 1.00

02:06:01.180 Her sacred animals that draw her chariot are dogs, which are associated, of course, with fidelity.

02:06:07.860 And Freya, she's the opposite of that. She is the force that acts out in the world.

02:06:15.360 In Sesrumnir, which is her hall, she keeps half of the battle slain. So she's a very alpha

02:06:22.300 dominant feminine figure she is self-ruled and sexually free she's not 1.00

02:06:31.360 bound to a god she has a real intimate relationship with Odin but she is not

02:06:36.700 bound in the way that frigga is bound in marriage so these are two aspects of the

02:06:43.360 feminine and they have very different functions that which submits to the 1.00

02:06:47.920 male and that which tests the male yes let's see we had um bob newman newman asks can you

02:06:56.180 explain the eucharist why does a priest need to be there

02:07:00.240 that that would see that would be a question for you as a catholic i should think yes yes it's

02:07:06.860 you can have spiritual communion with christ uh you can listen you don't need a priest for

02:07:17.460 most things, quite frankly. But it's the difference between putting a bastard in a woman 1.00

02:07:23.660 and putting a child in your lawfully wedded wife. The priest is authorized through the church, 1.00

02:07:33.300 through the apostolic secession, and through the catechism that the priest knows what the

02:07:44.400 standards are it's the difference between a police arrest police officer arresting somebody

02:07:48.480 and a citizen's arrest okay the police officer supposedly is trained in all the laws in the

02:07:56.440 procedures and the correct use of force uh who to arrest and who not to arrest etc etc the the

02:08:04.460 priest is trained in all that the priest has been given special commission the same way that when

02:08:09.540 you're married you're given special commission to create a child with your woman and that is a 0.98

02:08:15.960 child made in a lawfully wedded union it's not a bastard so the priests have been given that

02:08:23.480 because we we do need the tradition we need the common law we need the catechism for all of that 0.95

02:08:30.440 to happen you know you can't have just any jackass picking up a magic wand and claiming to be 0.99

02:08:36.500 a gay black man that worships Frigg. 0.99

02:08:44.540 So that's why it's exclusively for priests. 0.84

02:08:49.580 I hope that answers your question.

02:08:51.580 And it is a supernatural thing.

02:08:54.320 99.9% of the time, it's going to look like a wafer and some wine.

02:08:59.280 Every once in a while, it does turn into the flesh of a human heart.

02:09:06.500 and blood that's always a b negative every once in a while but god says that it's transubstantiated

02:09:17.060 and he can do whatever that whatever he wants because he's god so if he says

02:09:20.980 that this wafer that tastes like a wafer is actually the flesh of christ i take his word for

02:09:26.340 it uh virile journey sends us five dollars and says well and by the way uh strontium 19

02:09:32.660 sends five dollars a gifts thank you brother virile journey says last question do you see

02:09:37.860 the pagan community shifting more right in the near future because a lot of the pagans appear

02:09:41.780 to be leftist okay i will speak uh exclusively to the heathen community i do view the pagan

02:09:48.180 community and the heathen community as being separate communities um and within the heathen

02:09:52.740 community i consider the folkish heathens the only true heathens there are uh leftist ideologues

02:10:00.580 who like to LARP and attach themselves to our heathen mythology and culture, but they really

02:10:08.340 do not practice folkish heathenry in any true form that I've been able to observe. That being said,

02:10:14.980 folkish heathens are right in their political leanings. We are true conservatives. We observe 0.80

02:10:22.260 natural law, we observe folkism, we subscribe to the ways, traditions, law, and thew of our ancestors.

02:10:31.220 So I don't think it's so much of shifting more right in the near future. I think what we are

02:10:37.140 going to see is more folkish heathens acting out in the world, being more active, being more present, 1.00

02:10:43.860 being more visible, organizing. Tribalism is going to become more pronounced, I think, in the future.

02:10:53.700 And that's a good thing. You know, one of the things that I'm very passionate about is helping

02:10:58.660 European people come back to their folk. I don't care so much whether a European chooses to see 1.00

02:11:05.620 our gods and our truth through the lens of heathenry or Christianity or even agnostic

02:11:12.340 philosophy. What I care about is, are they coming back to their roots? Are they coming back to the 0.92

02:11:18.100 ways of their ancestors? Are they coming back to blood and soil and to folk soul? So whatever I can

02:11:24.380 do to help bring people back to their roots, that's something that I'm passionate about doing.

02:11:32.320 And I hope you guys noticed all the kind words Mr. Wright had for Haythroom. And by the way,

02:11:39.620 It's Bolverker. Where's his comment? He said, leftist pagans are universalists and not true heathens as they do not honor their ancestors.

02:11:50.060 Right. Absolutely. And judging heathens by the behavior of universalists is like judging Christians by the behavior of evangelicals or by homosexual infiltrators. 0.80

02:12:09.620 that joined, not men tempted by homosexuality, 0.99

02:12:14.080 but homosexual Marxists 0.80

02:12:15.360 that intentionally infiltrated the Catholic Church, okay? 0.97

02:12:18.600 Those men are not the Catholic Church. 0.95

02:12:20.820 Yes, it's a cancer that we need to excise, okay? 0.95

02:12:23.980 It might be a fatal cancer,

02:12:26.160 but the cancer is not the individual.

02:12:29.320 You don't look at an individual dying of cancer

02:12:31.380 and look at them and say,

02:12:33.080 oh, you just don't want to live.

02:12:35.160 No, no, no, that's cancer killing them.

02:12:37.940 Yeah.

02:12:38.100 so um i mean i i am i just want to say i'm happy to continue this conversation for at least another

02:12:46.260 15 minutes or so if people have questions i i know that um tonight's show was um was pretty

02:12:53.460 pretty heavily monopolized by the guests as it should be they they were um irini's guests but

02:12:59.220 i i was following the chat i'd rather have them monopolize it than say absolutely right

02:13:04.420 and it was it was a wonderful conversation i was enjoying it

02:13:07.780 um i just you know i didn't get a chance to address

02:13:11.380 as many of the the comments and questions that were coming up in the

02:13:14.740 chat so um yeah if anybody has any additional

02:13:17.620 questions i'm happy to answer them as long as

02:13:20.020 arini wants to continue yeah i think five hours nobody listens

02:13:25.300 ain't nobody got time and while we're waiting for some questions to come in

02:13:29.860 um just a couple of shout outs i i want to thank uh tom bombadil for doing

02:13:34.420 an awesome job moderating tonight uh it got pretty heated so thanks so much for trying to keep the

02:13:39.860 peace there and um yeah hells harbinger who's actually uh my friend and warder uh bullforker

02:13:47.380 thanks for being the voice of reason where you could john steel thank you for your generosity

02:13:52.580 um thanks to everybody who supported and and came out with super chats uh that's wonderful

02:13:59.060 and for all of you who were respectfully debating thank you for doing that well i want to get

02:14:04.340 steal on uh possibly next sunday if he's free i wasn't really bringing any guests on tonight we

02:14:10.500 quite frankly we had a couple of guests with a lot a lot to say

02:14:14.400 yeah i mean it really is a wonderful service that arini's providing here um i've i've been

02:14:25.140 following you know conservative media and um folkism and alt-right and and all these things

02:14:31.160 are sort of connected to one another at one point or or another over the last few years and um

02:14:37.160 arini's providing something really special here in that he's trying to create a space where we can

02:14:43.560 find common commonality regardless of our particular religious persuasion there's

02:14:53.000 catholics out there that i can't even begin to let them know who i am or they will go out of 0.99

02:14:59.000 of their way to destroy me. The virus is in their heads. And the same is true for me in the heathen 0.99

02:15:04.520 community. You know, I've attracted enemies, both from the left and the right. And I've always been,

02:15:12.180 you know, pretty outspoken about my truth. Bullforker's known me for a few years now,

02:15:17.520 and he has witnessed some of the fire that I've drawn on social media for speaking my truth.

02:15:22.900 So, yeah, I mean, what Irini and I are both doing here, I think, is really important.

02:15:28.860 And it's rare.

02:15:30.080 There aren't a lot of folks in conservatism in general who are trying to build these bridges

02:15:36.620 and bring people to truth.

02:15:39.320 And when I say truth, I'm talking about natural law.

02:15:41.660 I'm not talking about the particular lens through which we might see natural law,

02:15:46.980 whether we want to call that heathen or pagan or christian or catholic or or agnostic or

02:15:53.540 aristotelian it doesn't matter what we're seeing it through so long as we are seeing the truth

02:15:59.380 for what it is in nature we you'll love this question dr d wants to know how you feel about

02:16:06.980 male feminists um i i don't think there is such a thing as male feminists i think there are 0.94

02:16:13.540 feminists and then there are the males who who orbit them and seek their approval uh because 1.00

02:16:19.380 they quite frankly they're they're looking for sexual access to a female they can't get sexual 0.98

02:16:24.980 access to a female of their preference uh so they're kind of dumpster diving that's that's how 1.00

02:16:31.140 i see it okay provider of mercy says go along to get along no that's not what we're saying

02:16:37.940 no i'm saying break bread with those that worship and love god even if they use a different name for

02:16:45.940 him if they love god break bread for them with them if they wear your outfit and perform your

02:16:52.340 rituals but hate god shun them that's what i'm saying you know let me what's that quote from

02:17:00.020 corinthians i i instead of using the word god can we use the word the good because that binds

02:17:08.820 christian heathen and and the the philosophical seeker or agnostic under one banner i mean he 0.98

02:17:16.580 who orients himself towards the good who loves the good and by the way that actually is a tenant of

02:17:24.340 Catholicism, that those 0.97

02:17:26.540 that love the good, though they hear

02:17:28.400 not the word, will be

02:17:30.480 saved.

02:17:34.580 But yeah,

02:17:35.460 I don't know how to

02:17:38.440 explain it anymore.

02:17:39.900 All right, ECD2180Nkaku

02:17:42.100 asks about the alt-influence report

02:17:44.220 by the Data Society.

02:17:46.040 I've not read it,

02:17:48.080 because you know what?

02:17:49.820 I'm not going to give that 0.99

02:17:52.160 toxic little woman 1.00

02:17:53.140 but i'm not going to give her my energy or time there is a really good pod a really good podcast

02:17:58.960 by frame game radio where he discussed it and it's uh basically the she's applying data analytics

02:18:05.840 but which by the way guys this is one of the new if you can get into data analytics

02:18:10.040 do it this is one of the few areas of technology that's revolutionary right now okay most other

02:18:17.980 areas of technology are not revolutionary. They are going to go the way of the dodo. They're going

02:18:23.220 to become Indian programmers, or they'll become algorithms doing it all for you. Data analysis 0.63

02:18:29.560 is one of the growing fields. But yeah, she does this data analysis, draw a map of the alternative 0.57

02:18:35.780 influencers. And guys, this is just the very tip of the radar. Okay, this woman's an amateur 0.57

02:18:42.180 doing all of this.

02:18:44.720 Trust me, Amazon and Google

02:18:46.240 have far, far better networks

02:18:48.740 on all of us.

02:18:50.560 You know, like, Google knows that

02:18:52.440 they, well, I'm not going to say it,

02:18:54.540 but they know, not that it's a huge secret,

02:18:56.660 they know who my banking provider is.

02:18:59.460 So when I see ads

02:19:00.860 about banking on YouTube,

02:19:02.400 they're always from my bank.

02:19:04.620 They know that.

02:19:05.840 They have got a whole network on me,

02:19:07.820 and they can process that data

02:19:09.180 in 12 different dimensions,

02:19:10.500 And if they have somebody remotely competent, they can find out who's important and who needs to be silenced.

02:19:17.060 This is why they're going after Roosh, by the way.

02:19:19.240 Roosh is a nexus for a lot of different people.

02:19:24.080 People like me, people like Quintus Curtius, people that are more of the Chad lifestyle.

02:19:30.360 Roosh is a nexus.

02:19:31.680 He is like Paul Revere.

02:19:34.540 Paul Revere, yeah, it's like two lights by sea, something like that.

02:19:39.940 Paul Revere's importance is that during the Revolutionary War, he was the guy that knew

02:19:45.460 everybody. He was the guy that introduced one another. If you could have killed Paul Revere,

02:19:50.240 there would have been no American Revolution. There just would have been isolated pockets of

02:19:54.940 dissidents. Very briefly, Rattle Grebdron, what do you think about the connections between

02:20:04.300 In Germanic and Vedic mythology, in Tacitus' Germania, he mentions Manus, Manar, equaling man, son of Tusto, and Vedic, Manu, son of Tuastar.

02:20:15.900 It's the same religion. 0.59

02:20:17.740 We see Indra as Thor.

02:20:20.920 We see, I believe, Brahma would be the equivalent of Odin. 0.98

02:20:24.380 It's the same religion. 0.59

02:20:25.660 If you take a look at the archetypes, strip away the names, it's the same thing.

02:20:31.200 There was another one here.

02:20:32.600 and by the way also look at the patterns in these things this is part of the reasons that you can

02:20:38.060 tell that the european paganism is fair not foul uh first of all that it integrated perfectly with

02:20:43.420 the catholic church and second that it's telling the same myths as the catholic church right just

02:20:47.440 just strip strip away all the window dressing guys and look at the core archetypes you know

02:20:52.060 like look at them through jungian eyes and and you will see what i'm talking about here

02:20:56.340 don't go all thunderfoot on me and think that when i say myth i mean something that's not true

02:21:02.420 No, I mean something that's truer than true.

02:21:05.500 Right.

02:21:06.640 Dr. D, question, would Freya support male feminists? 1.00

02:21:09.940 No, I don't think she would.

02:21:12.880 Kaku, read The Old Influence.

02:21:14.640 Oh, you had already read that one.

02:21:16.460 Freya's hall is not full of cabana boys. 1.00

02:21:19.280 No.

02:21:21.060 She takes the bravest and the best.

02:21:23.700 Strontium 19, Haythroon, can you address the difference between the universality of Christianity and other universalism?

02:21:32.420 I think that Christianity has been interpreted in different ways.

02:21:40.300 Christian universalism, I think, is no different than the universalism we see in neo-Marxism.

02:21:47.680 That being said, there is a Germanic interpretation of Christianity that I think is wholly masculine and folkish

02:21:56.980 and is actually congruent with our own Germanic heathenism.

02:22:00.780 But that's a conversation for another day. Look into Christ with the spelling of K and cross-reference that with Germanic paganism, and you'll find some interesting information there.

02:22:12.200 And I would point out that Christianity is universalist in that there is one truth, there is one good, there is one beauty, okay? There is one justice. These are universal things. It is not my tribe above all else, okay?

02:22:31.500 However, it does not mean that all tribes are identical and should be watered down and interbred and turned into the new Babylon.

02:22:39.500 one god many peoples uh virile journey do either of you think that protestants

02:22:48.540 will ever ally with the catholics and other heathens against 1.00

02:22:52.700 dildovers you want to take that one arini some will however well there's a there's a joke the 1.00

02:23:02.420 one thing that two youtubers can agree upon is that another youtuber is an asshole 1.00

02:23:07.020 there seems to be a 0.99

02:23:10.700 Protestants can't agree on anything 1.00

02:23:12.680 but they can all agree that they hate Catholics

02:23:14.360 a lot of Protestants are 0.90

02:23:18.480 very very wrapped up

02:23:20.060 this is something I keep trying to explain

02:23:22.680 this to people are you interested

02:23:24.500 in being right or are you

02:23:26.600 interested in winning

02:23:27.820 you know there have been a few

02:23:30.520 arguments I've been in recently

02:23:32.600 I won't name the arguments

02:23:33.920 I'm sure some of you guys can figure out which ones they are

02:23:36.760 And you know what? I could post about 12 debunking videos explaining why I was right.

02:23:43.880 And what a massive waste of my time that would be.

02:23:47.500 Guys, I have so much I'm working on right now.

02:23:50.080 The fact that I came down with this head cold is really frustrating because I had a lot of stuff I was planning to do this weekend.

02:23:56.880 Very productive stuff that I want you guys to see the effects of it, okay?

02:24:02.120 I want this thing to grow into, I want to blossom into something that's going to help all of you guys.

02:24:09.960 And I couldn't do any of that this weekend because I was so bloody sick.

02:24:14.340 So that was very frustrating.

02:24:16.000 But imagine if I were spending all my time winning arguments on the Internet with people that really don't matter.

02:24:23.160 But so many Protestants are interested in being right. 1.00

02:24:27.380 I'm not interested in being right.

02:24:30.220 I'm interested in winning.

02:24:31.520 I'm interested in going somewhere

02:24:33.560 and

02:24:34.740 those that want to win

02:24:38.160 those that want to build something

02:24:39.700 those that want to survive

02:24:41.280 those ones

02:24:44.060 will ally with us

02:24:46.240 those that

02:24:47.660 want to point out that they're smarter

02:24:50.160 than everybody else

02:24:51.140 well they will be smarter than

02:24:53.980 everybody else right up to the point of the grave

02:24:55.900 and that's why I'm on this podcast

02:24:58.220 every Sunday instead of somewhere else

02:25:00.160 i support what you're doing and likewise thank you eldrick fan sends you his five dollars and

02:25:10.500 calls upon john c wright to finish his latest novel i've actually never read any of his books

02:25:16.740 i'm gonna have to hopefully he's listening i really enjoyed the the chat tonight it was just

02:25:21.800 it was a little exhausting because it was so intense and and like nobody came up for air

02:25:26.860 yeah yeah i know yeah um ec2180 dunkaku has space dog built the ship to mars

02:25:35.980 before elon musk you know what she has a better odds of building a spaceship that goes to mars 1.00

02:25:42.300 before he does drink a shot of ginger and lemon juice with honey oh man that sounds like a great

02:25:50.460 idea actually yeah yeah since we're coming up on 9 30 i mean maybe we could take some of the

02:25:56.600 guys who gave us some generous super

02:25:58.580 chats and bring them into the post chat and

02:26:00.560 have a little post chat chat.

02:26:03.040 Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

02:26:05.860 Guys, if you

02:26:06.560 feel like doing a bit of post chat,

02:26:08.660 fire me a message.

02:26:11.000 I think I

02:26:11.640 run out of energy to be

02:26:14.420 consistently entertaining at this point.

02:26:16.800 So we are going to

02:26:18.680 shut her down with 0.99

02:26:20.720 St. Augustine's

02:26:22.600 Prayer.

02:26:24.700 Lord, thy protection.

02:26:27.000 and in protection strength and in strength reason and in reason knowledge and in knowledge truth

02:26:38.120 and in truth justice and in justice love and in love the love of god and the love of every

02:26:47.400 living animation god bless all of you deus volt this is erini out

Leo D.M.J. Aurini - September 24, 2018

Aurini's Outpost： the Star Wars and Theology Hour

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