Leo D.M.J. Aurini - I'm available for life coaching： Livestream with Stephen Rose, Founder of Praxey, Inc

00:00:00.000 Hey, folks. I am here right now with Stephen Rose, the founder of Praxy. And, well, what

00:00:11.660 is Praxy? You know, maybe you caught Aaron Clary's post about this. Well, that's what

00:00:16.820 I'm going to break this down, this live stream down into three portions. The first, the brief

00:00:22.940 introduction I'm going to give. Then I'm going to talk about what I'm doing with Praxy. And

00:00:26.880 then we're going to talk a bit more about the potential of the service, what you guys

00:00:32.200 might see, the use that you guys might get out of Praxy, depending on what sort of business

00:00:37.980 you're into.

00:00:39.720 So to start off with, the main reason we're doing this is you guys are, you all know about

00:00:46.780 the nonsense we're dealing with from YouTube.

00:00:49.080 You know, a year ago, I had my PayPal severely limited for no particular reason.

00:00:58.380 Praxy is a new one of these technologies, okay?

00:01:02.400 It's a new PayPal, Skype, you name it.

00:01:07.340 And, you know, Stephen, he's one of us, okay?

00:01:11.900 He is a Make America Great Again, for crying out loud.

00:01:14.660 But we need our guys doing these, founding these things.

00:01:21.720 So that's a big part of why I'm doing this right now.

00:01:28.860 And so, Stephen, can you give us a bit of a background on, like, a brief introduction on what Praxy is?

00:01:36.300 Yeah, really quick.

00:01:37.500 The concept, it's a one-on-one video chatting app.

00:01:42.820 You can also do audio only.

00:01:44.660 that you install on your phone and it works just like Skype

00:01:49.380 when somebody calls you your phone will ring but

00:01:53.200 the difference is it's all toll calls so if somebody calls you

00:01:57.140 if you are available and you answer it there's payment already attached you

00:02:02.180 have already said

00:02:03.340 I'm charging X amount per call minimum I'm charging X amount

00:02:07.600 per minute and the person has already entered their card

00:02:10.940 and into our system and will be charged at the end of the call so you don't have

00:02:15.840 to do anything except talk

00:02:17.500 so it gives it get basically gives people a way to

00:02:21.300 say to the world I have a skill I have an education

00:02:25.440 I have experience in some field I have are or

00:02:29.340 I'm a content creator and I'm making myself available

00:02:33.000 at a certain price you know risk that my time is worth money

00:02:37.840 It's valuable.

00:02:39.120 I will talk to anyone who wants to call me, but I ask for a certain amount of money for the time that I spend.

00:02:48.120 And there's a lot of different uses for this.

00:02:50.220 We can go into, Davis, but that's sort of the basic introduction or overview of the concept.

00:02:57.500 So it's just Skype for toll calling, really.

00:03:00.840 Yeah, and it's much quicker and easier to set up.

00:03:03.960 then like it's it's it's a 1 900 number for the for the internet age where there's video enabled

00:03:10.460 if that's if that's useful to you um it's much easier to set up i see a lot of potential with

00:03:16.720 it and so when uh when i heard about it i was trying to think of what i can bring to the market

00:03:23.040 there because i think there's a huge market for contractors um computer repair like that stuff

00:03:29.660 and in my case so it you know it says it right down there in the title is i've been contacted

00:03:35.700 by a couple of people over the years about doing life coaching for them and this is something now

00:03:42.260 i'm very you know you guys know i'm very cynical about a lot of therapy out there a lot of self

00:03:48.060 help um a lot of people they don't apply that okay like the best self-help book is the one that

00:03:53.480 people buy every single edition rather than actually improving their life and moving on

00:03:57.920 So it is something I'm hesitant about, but I've had some good results.

00:04:03.000 And so that's the primary thrust I'm doing with Praxy.

00:04:09.160 I don't know if it's going to take off, but basically what you're doing.

00:04:14.040 See, if you want to send me a message on Twitter or email or Facebook or whatever, I'll get back to you.

00:04:22.180 I don't want to be – I'm not going to refuse to talk to you unless you pay me.

00:04:25.960 but with the praxi thing and with the life coaching thing basically what you're doing

00:04:31.460 is you're you're paying for my undivided attention you know you're paying for me to 0.66

00:04:36.520 you know sit my ass down and you know and give you my full attention um you know when you're 0.92

00:04:44.460 going to get a response back from me etc etc just because quite frankly time is limited and i wish 0.95

00:04:50.440 i had all the time in the world but i don't and so i guess that's yeah that's the main thing i'm

00:04:55.600 doing with it. If you're looking for someone, if you have something in your life that, you know,

00:04:59.380 you're trying to dig yourself out of a pit, if you're trying to, you know, whatever, you know,

00:05:05.620 that's what I'm hoping to use it for. And if that sounds useful to you guys, then, you know,

00:05:12.980 there's a link down below. I have a page set up on my website. But there's, see, here's the thing,

00:05:20.880 If you are, like I said, I don't want to charge time for just hanging out, but that's not the only way you can use it.

00:05:28.440 If there's some other way you want to contact me and you want to pay for it, you know, I'm charging a buck a minute.

00:05:35.180 You know, usually the life coaching lasts about half an hour, so it's 30 minutes.

00:05:38.640 There's an initial fee, like you pay for the first five minutes, and then it's a buck for every additional minute.

00:05:47.080 So, yeah, that's what I'm doing with it.

00:05:48.940 and you know maybe it'll take off maybe there's some of you that that want that service um or

00:05:54.920 maybe not but the big thing with me is i like the idea of praxi and i think there's a lot of you

00:06:03.100 guys out there that you might have your own businesses that you could use with it um so

00:06:10.020 steven why don't you talk about like some of the potential applications like what i'm doing is a

00:06:15.360 very niche thing with it. I don't think it's mostly going to be life coaches on Praxy. I think

00:06:21.580 there's a lot of other potential for it. Yeah. The potential use cases are really vast.

00:06:30.000 I've had the list of several dozen that I've come up with that may or may not work. It's like you

00:06:36.000 said with yours, it's an experiment. You're going to put yourself out there and make yourself

00:06:42.040 available and see what people use it for. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Maybe you modify it,

00:06:47.580 maybe you change the message. And it's just an iterative process, I think, of trying to find a

00:06:53.520 way, finding a way to do that. What do people want to talk to you? For example, you write books,

00:07:00.400 you have a blog, podcast, videos. What is it that people would want to talk to you about?

00:07:08.180 Maybe they want to give you feedback. But there's so many other possible uses for this. And really, the message I want to deliver to your viewers is to think about the business that you're in right now and however it is you make money and ask yourself, would there be a demand for your customers or related clients?

00:07:38.180 that affect your business to pay for someone's time for a video chat or audio call on demand.

00:07:48.700 That, I think, at this point is probably the best way to look at it,

00:07:54.180 where you already have an existing customer base,

00:07:57.380 and you think, how can I have an add-on service?

00:08:00.320 So maybe it's premium customer service.

00:08:02.400 If you have a local trade business, maybe you're giving, you're offering your customers something that differentiates you and sets you apart from all the other competition.

00:08:12.700 I mean, if you have a local, whatever, HVAC service or plumbing business or really anything where generally people will pay you and you have an initial fee to come out and you might say, well, I don't want to let them call me because I want them to pay to come out.

00:08:30.640 But the thing is, if you offer that and no one else does, yes, some people will call you remotely and maybe then won't have you come out.

00:08:38.520 But other people might call you remotely because they just want to have a talk to someone remote.

00:08:43.780 And then now you're in, in a certain sense.

00:08:46.160 And if you can build up their confidence in you and you get that initial contact with them, then they might be a follow-on ad service.

00:08:54.980 It's like then if they do have work to do, they have already – you've given them that new way of reaching out to you that other people in your field haven't because they don't know about this technology.

00:09:06.560 So, I mean, I just want to –

00:09:08.240 Like right now, it's a bit of a – it's a solution looking for a problem right now.

00:09:13.860 To a certain extent, that's correct.

00:09:15.980 You know, I mean, I had –

00:09:16.880 But, you know, I was going to say I see a lot of potential with this.

00:09:20.740 Again, like my brother-in-law is a plumber.

00:09:22.300 and you know he doesn't spend most of his time fixing toilets he spends a lot of his time just

00:09:27.120 doing weird stuff like this one time a guy hired him to put um heated pipes in his driveway so he

00:09:33.760 didn't have to shovel it and that winter he found out all the deer were congregated on his front lawn

00:09:39.200 so he gets a lot of weird stuff like that and i'm going to recommend this to him

00:09:45.360 because like the thing is that money talks you know as beckloff has pointed out on his live stream

00:09:51.280 that when he has advertisers, it's you guys listening, you're the product, you know, like,

00:09:57.320 but if you guys are backing the podcast, you're the customer, right? And so like, if I phone up

00:10:04.220 a plumber, and say, and you know, I'm talking on the phone, he's not making any money, right? Okay,

00:10:09.380 like, he does want my business, but he's not fully engaged, where areas something like this,

00:10:15.380 you know if you phone up the plumber with praxi now he's getting money okay so now he's fully

00:10:22.980 engaged and that's kind of what i'm saying with the life coaching thing is that um i'm like if

00:10:27.280 you're paying me i'm fully engaged you know uh where areas if you ask me a really weird question

00:10:32.680 and it would take like a half hour to write out a response and you're not paying me i'm just going

00:10:37.620 to say go check out the roosh v form the answer's on there so that that's that's the solution that

00:10:43.840 Praxy is offering. It basically works exactly like a Skype call connected with a 1-900 number.

00:10:52.660 And so the customer puts in their credit card information, phones you up, and you give them

00:11:01.220 your dedicated attention to whatever it is. And this is with audio and with video.

00:11:07.020 yeah you nailed it i mean it's it's really like you know a lot of times this this when you're

00:11:16.440 trying to call somebody and you need a piece of information or you need to tap into their

00:11:21.220 expertise or knowledge or or experience but you have nothing to offer them you know i make these

00:11:27.120 calls sometime and it's like i want to pay you you know i honestly do not mind paying you for

00:11:31.640 your time. I hate getting spam calls. I hate getting calls where I'm not benefiting, but

00:11:37.160 there's no real mechanism for you, for me to do that. So you end up like basically pleading

00:11:42.940 with the person, hoping that they're in a good mood, hoping that they have spare time.

00:11:46.640 But the whole time you just feel like they're just trying to get you off the phone. And

00:11:49.720 it's like, but when you pay, the chemistry of the call changes. Now they want to help

00:11:56.280 you. They want to make it worth their while. They know that you're paying them. And there

00:12:00.360 is a service called Clarity FM, which is somewhat similar, although it's not on-demand calling,

00:12:05.800 and it's only for entrepreneurs, and I've used that, and I can tell you, when you talk to

00:12:11.460 somebody on the phone who you're paying for their time, it's almost like an interesting study in

00:12:17.380 human psychology, because when you pay for something, the person appreciates it, and you

00:12:22.660 appreciate it, and you feel like it's just a very pleasant conversation. It's like, wow,

00:12:28.540 You know, you feel like you've made a friend in a certain sense.

00:12:32.280 Not saying the person is your friend, but they treat you like a friend because, you know, as people who believe in the free market, you know, there's nothing more civilizing than commerce.

00:12:42.760 You know, we love commerce.

00:12:44.680 And so this is really a way to, you know, the bigger picture here is really a way for people to talk to each other.

00:12:53.960 You know, I mean, there's every problem, whatever problems you're facing in your life, whether it be professional, your relationships, you know, even just problems when you're worried about the state of the world and, you know, there are other people out there who are thinking about this, worrying about these issues and to reach out and connect can really, it can become, it can be therapeutic if nothing else.

00:13:19.440 But it could also yield really good insights that you might otherwise struggle to try to get to and then on your own and make mistakes.

00:13:28.840 And so, yeah, having the ability to pay people, you know, this is something I always think about with the complaints people make about the mainstream media, which is, you know, they're obviously, yeah, they mislead us and stuff.

00:13:44.940 But the response is always…

00:13:46.540 And you know what, that's it.

00:13:47.400 it's you're the product for the mainstream right exactly on the news and this is just a delivery

00:13:52.920 vehicle for advertisements exactly so the goal of it you know um shoot who is it who is it that 0.98

00:14:00.720 stupid south park south park kind of pointed this out on their gamer gate season that really it's 0.97

00:14:06.620 all about advertisements and corporate dominance and um if you're not paying for it you're the 0.99

00:14:12.520 product and so the goal of the mainstream media is primarily to attract as many viewers as possible

00:14:18.960 so they don't want to be offensive they don't want to uh tell you they just want to get as many

00:14:24.100 eyeballs as they possibly can and then once they've captured those eyeballs primarily for the ads then

00:14:29.980 you're going to get the ideological subversion because just a little bit of coloring there

00:14:34.280 and uh it's going to completely distort the view of the world and and it boils down to the fact

00:14:40.100 that you're the product when you watch the late night news.

00:14:45.760 Yeah, people...

00:14:46.640 Oh, sorry, go ahead.

00:14:47.420 Oh, it's going to go on.

00:14:48.760 You know, like, people are talking about marmoset mindset.

00:14:52.220 Listen, I was a little bit down on Cernovich

00:14:53.980 when there was all of that infighting going on back in December.

00:14:58.200 I really was not impressed with any of that.

00:15:00.620 But here's the thing.

00:15:01.920 And, you know, and I'm generally down on the self-help industry 0.96

00:15:05.560 because a lot of it is just helping losers stay losers. 0.99

00:15:08.900 but all right uh guerrilla mindset you know when you shell out the money and you buy the damn book 0.99

00:15:16.920 and if you actually want to improve yourself then you know it's that commitment that you you bought 0.85

00:15:23.540 the book you've paid money for it and you give you get a psychological commitment at that point

00:15:28.920 i mean a lot like a lot of what's in the book you could just go and find that on the internet

00:15:32.920 if you want it but you know it's he's put it together in the book and and you've just paid

00:15:37.920 money for it so now you're going to get your dollar's worth out of it and you're more likely

00:15:41.980 to actually apply it at that point so there there is that yeah it's not to be completely mercenary

00:15:49.100 and you know i refuse to talk to anybody unless they give me shekels but there there is there is

00:15:55.940 that uh that psychological commitment that you as the buyer get and when somebody's getting money

00:16:00.480 for something if they aren't a complete scam artist they're going to be trying to give you

00:16:05.000 your dollars worth. It's very humbling to receive money for a science fiction novel or for the

00:16:12.040 Arini's Insight videos or for the life coaching that I do or for anything else. I'm thinking

00:16:18.260 life coaching is the main vehicle, but if you guys just want to contact me and you want to

00:16:23.020 contact me through this and really have my attention, yeah, I'm open to that as well.

00:16:28.620 and so yeah and i'm i'm hoping this takes off and i'm hoping that people can uh think of other

00:16:37.580 possibilities of what they can do with it

00:16:40.700 yeah yeah i think there's a lot of uh a lot of potential applications and i'm i'm going on um

00:16:49.540 on different shows like yours and and and putting it out there and basically saying it's a tool you

00:16:54.560 You know, the initial impetus for the idea, I had a real, I had an aha moment, you know,

00:17:01.340 when I came up with the idea for this business because basically I was, you know, I bought

00:17:08.680 a dining room set and I scratched the table and I wanted to try to fix it myself and I

00:17:12.960 watched these YouTube videos and I thought I could do it, but I thought, you know, I

00:17:17.420 would really like to talk to a professional who's done this many times just to get a final

00:17:21.520 sign off on my plan to do the burn in, you know, which is a very like specialized kind of craft

00:17:27.860 thing. And I wasn't confident enough to do it. And so I ended up paying someone 200 bucks to come

00:17:32.660 out. But I really think if I'd had this, somebody who I could call and just show my table, show the

00:17:38.200 tools I was going to use, explain what I was going to do, I could have solved it for 20 bucks, 30

00:17:42.680 bucks, I don't know. And he could have sat at home. Exactly. He could have sat at home and

00:17:47.420 coached me through it, you know, or even just signed off on my plan.

00:17:52.260 Or maybe he'd said, no, that varnish doesn't match.

00:17:55.040 Or, you know, you should try this or something like that.

00:17:57.580 But then, so I was thinking about, like, how could I do this for, like, just real hardcore trades, like plumbing and stuff.

00:18:05.040 And then I thought, just make a tool.

00:18:08.480 Just make a general tool.

00:18:10.620 And my customer is not the person using it.

00:18:16.140 My customer is not the person who's calling.

00:18:18.100 My customer is people like you, entrepreneurs, where I can go to you and say, look, this is a new technology.

00:18:24.980 If you can use it, great.

00:18:26.460 Like you said, it's sort of a solution in search of a problem, although I do have some problems that it can't.

00:18:31.180 Oh, and there's plenty of applicable problems.

00:18:34.840 Exactly.

00:18:35.240 And there are many already existing specialized apps that do this for a specific industry like telemedicine or other specific industries.

00:18:46.140 but they're really offering the same service which is a pay for time

00:18:50.140 and so I was just like oh just I mean the way I'd like to think of is like

00:18:53.360 Craigslist in reverse you know Craig Craigslist existed and then there's all

00:18:57.120 these derivative businesses that were built

00:18:59.160 on some other stuff they did but were more specialized and better executed on

00:19:04.360 those

00:19:04.780 but with with paid calling it seems like it's going opposite direction first

00:19:09.320 they have the specialized apps

00:19:10.820 but ultimately they're all offering the same so it just seems like it'll

00:19:14.300 eventually settle into a single platform where if you want to pay for your time you go on there

00:19:20.680 and so when that's uh yeah and you you pay for the video call and you save the ride out there

00:19:27.180 you save a lot of time is saved it just makes things a lot easier and more efficient and so

00:19:34.520 where you as i understand it where you're at right now is so you've got the technology it's it's up

00:19:41.380 there. It's running right now. Um, and you need the, you need the customers. You need the activity.

00:19:49.900 Yeah. I mean, I, I, I'm, um, I've definitely encouraged people if you have an idea about

00:19:54.440 how this could be applied, feel free to contact me. Um, uh, the, we could even potentially do

00:19:59.960 a marketing project together if, uh, if it's, if it seems like it would work and it makes sense

00:20:04.840 to me. Uh, but I'm reaching out to a lot of different people and saying, you know, just try

00:20:09.100 You know, there's no risk here and there's so many ways you can try this on a very limited

00:20:13.320 basis without going all out and expecting it's going to, you know, and making a huge

00:20:18.540 investment.

00:20:19.540 Try it on a limited basis.

00:20:20.600 You know, if you're a home inspector, for example, I talked to somebody I know who's

00:20:24.780 a home inspector and he's like, I get calls after I do the home inspections all the time

00:20:29.260 and you don't want to say no because they're your customers.

00:20:31.800 But then again, they are, they have already, I've already done their inspection and it's

00:20:36.580 like I six months or a year later and and so this would give him a way for example to say to them

00:20:43.340 look I are just even put on his marketing I'm available on praxi if you want to call me

00:20:49.200 and and you know I think people would understand it's like he's a busy person uh his time but this

00:20:55.280 would be a way exactly he charges uh what like I don't know what they charge but he charges 500

00:20:59.020 bucks for their home right exactly and but if there's some sort of follow-up issue you know 0.96

00:21:04.280 He doesn't need to inspect the whole damn house.

00:21:06.480 He just needs to turn on the Praxy, do the video of it, and he charges, I don't know, 50 bucks or something. 0.97

00:21:12.240 Yeah, and you could say, well, why wouldn't they?

00:21:14.060 You just use Skype and invoice them.

00:21:15.840 And the answer is it's just one step too much.

00:21:18.640 I mean, you could theoretically do that.

00:21:20.300 You could say, look, I'm available.

00:21:21.580 So let's say someone calls you.

00:21:22.880 You say, oh, by the way, I'm available on Skype.

00:21:25.120 If you want to talk, I charge two bucks a minute.

00:21:28.340 It's just one step too much.

00:21:30.080 But now you can tell someone, look, I'm available on Praxy.

00:21:33.560 I can do follow-up. And once you're outside of maybe the 30-day warranty period, I would love

00:21:39.100 to help you out, but just give me a call on Praxi. They go on there. They have already agreed to it.

00:21:44.240 They put the credit card in. So it's seamless on your end. You don't have to do this awkward,

00:21:48.460 okay, negotiate the rate, send them an invoice. Once they call, the payment's there. And so it

00:21:56.120 removes just a couple steps that I think now can... The whole nice thing about the 900 number

00:22:01.560 industry and it's analogous. It's not the same because technology has changed things a lot

00:22:07.620 compared to the 900 number industry. But the whole thing that was nice about it is you already were

00:22:12.460 getting a phone bill. So when you dialed 1-900, it showed up on your phone bill. So the service

00:22:17.920 provider didn't have to collect your credit card. And it's similar in this way. It's an easy way to

00:22:23.760 kind of divert work that doesn't really yield you anything, but you don't want to necessarily say

00:22:28.340 no to, where you can say, okay, just call me on Praxi. And then they realize, oh, he's charging.

00:22:34.880 Okay. And maybe they call you anyway, but it's just a way to sort of divert some of those

00:22:41.140 calls. And that's just one example. Yeah. And I'm going to ask a bit of a favor

00:22:47.720 from the audience. I mean, if you guys want to phone me, that's great. I love money.

00:22:52.940 But if you have an idea for yourself or you know anybody that's a contractor,

00:22:58.340 again it's are are we going to let the left take over this here's the thing the left do all of this

00:23:04.380 this takeover of the tech industry through really sneaky methodologies because they're down for it

00:23:08.720 you know whereas we're just going to be up front and say hey this guy's got a good thing going if

00:23:15.040 you've got a buddy that's a contractor point them towards it oh and and you know there's a detail

00:23:20.380 that this should be mentioned as well um the first 30 seconds are free because um sometimes you have

00:23:26.780 a really bad connection so and you implemented that in specifically for that yeah the first 30

00:23:33.060 seconds is a grace period and that's just if it the connection is bad or there's no audio or

00:23:38.560 something you can cut it off and and if there's a minimum charge for the call you wouldn't get

00:23:42.460 charged and that might that might change we'll keep up we'll keep updated on the on terms of

00:23:48.320 use might might even extend that to a minute just depending on what kind of feedback people have as

00:23:53.680 far as you know it's video conferencing it's it's the speeds are getting faster

00:23:58.480 and faster so you can usually in the US you can make a video call from your you

00:24:04.840 know for GLT and it's pretty good quality but that's not always the case

00:24:09.100 so in those cases Wi-Fi you know just go to go use use a Wi-Fi and try to call

00:24:14.200 back but yeah that's that's one thing people should know about the 32nd also

00:24:20.680 So, you know, sometimes if you call once, it will not connect.

00:24:25.880 And so you just try to call again, and the second time it will go through.

00:24:29.360 You know, some of these technical issues we're working through

00:24:31.520 and hopefully will be resolved in the next couple months.

00:24:34.640 I mean, it works pretty well.

00:24:36.040 It's throwing pains of everything.

00:24:37.680 Right, exactly.

00:24:38.060 Because you don't know exactly, like, the way people are going to be using it is

00:24:43.180 you can't completely predict that.

00:24:46.120 And so, yeah, you need some feedback from people saying,

00:24:49.960 well, I had this issue or I would like this added on, et cetera.

00:24:54.440 Right.

00:24:55.720 And one thing I would want to caution people about, too,

00:24:58.740 is that I've had a lot of people come sign on to offer services,

00:25:03.760 but I would caution people not to expect to sign on

00:25:07.300 and all of a sudden you're going to get these calls

00:25:09.280 because it's still very nascent.

00:25:11.840 The best situation, like I said earlier,

00:25:14.900 is if you already have customers

00:25:16.260 or if you have a very clear way of marketing it yourself

00:25:19.840 where maybe, you know, you have an IT business like, oh, this is perfect.

00:25:24.080 I can tell my client, customers who come in, I fix their computer.

00:25:27.300 And when I give them it back, I give them, you know, a card,

00:25:30.460 which I have them install the app and say, look, if you, I mean,

00:25:34.180 how many IT problems do you face where it's like you just struggle with it

00:25:38.260 and it would be great to talk to somebody on the phone?

00:25:41.920 I mean, my parents call me like three or four times a year

00:25:44.500 with some huge issue they're having and I try to walk through the fix.

00:25:48.420 I'm not even an IT person.

00:25:49.840 But if they didn't have me, would they pay $30 for that?

00:25:53.300 Of course they would.

00:25:54.260 I mean, they spend hours on it.

00:25:55.560 They don't, you know, like older people a lot of times are not tech savvy.

00:25:58.500 So like situations like that, it's just a brand new service you can offer if you're an IT repair tech person.

00:26:05.480 I mean, any kind of repair business, this is great, you know.

00:26:09.200 And that's actually a perfect example as well, where if you just phone up the 1-800 number for tech service, like with computer problems,

00:26:16.440 there's gonna you get some trained monkey over in india that just says you know well reboot your

00:26:22.320 computer did it reboot now do that and they they run you through 45 minutes of stuff you already

00:26:28.480 did before you make the call right and whereas if you get a an independent guy that knows knows

00:26:35.380 computers and you can just say that to him it's like all right listen i've rebooted it i've done

00:26:40.280 and you're paying him so you actually have his attention and so what that 45 minutes that you

00:26:46.020 wasted with the 1-800 number, what's that worth to you as the customer? Would you rather waste

00:26:54.840 45 minutes or would you rather pay somebody that knows what they're doing to get you to the problem

00:26:58.500 faster? Yeah. I mean, a lot of customer service, it's sort of a loss, a cost center. So they're

00:27:05.280 not really trying to equality. I mean, they've already made the sale. They know they have to

00:27:08.880 have it. So they put it in there. But like I talked to an HVAC guy yesterday and he was saying,

00:27:14.580 And there actually used to be a similar service like this called Fountain, which was specifically for home improvement.

00:27:20.700 It was bought out and just as a weird, interesting story, but it was phased out by the company that bought it soon afterwards.

00:27:27.940 But so he used to take a lot of calls.

00:27:30.280 And he said, you know, other HVAC people would call him because the problem is if they were relatively new and they would call the manufacturers of these units,

00:27:40.100 the manufacturer's hotline

00:27:42.580 is just reading back the manual

00:27:44.100 so they would call him

00:27:46.160 and he has a lot more experience and he could

00:27:48.400 explain whatever it is, how to install

00:27:50.600 it.

00:27:52.000 This is another example of this.

00:27:54.680 The manual. Who writes the manual

00:27:56.820 for these tech devices that you have?

00:27:59.400 Well, the team 0.99

00:28:00.740 that's building it, they take the dumbest 1.00

00:28:02.820 guy on that team who's 1.00

00:28:04.840 all thumbs and does nothing but cause problems

00:28:06.860 and they're like, alright, you. You go write the manual.

00:28:08.760 Get out of our hair and go write the manual.

00:28:11.760 Exactly.

00:28:12.800 Yeah, the manual is not the best source.

00:28:18.060 It's the expert that knows the least is the manual.

00:28:23.000 Yeah.

00:28:24.400 Yeah, and I mean abstracting that into just more even just more conceptual, what you're dealing with is cultivation of like information.

00:28:34.320 And it seems to me there's types of information which if you were having revenue, a stream of revenue coming off of them, there'd be an incentive to really produce good information which otherwise you wouldn't be done.

00:28:52.760 Like, the example I always think of is my city paper has, like, things to do around town, and it's just sort of a throwaway.

00:29:01.200 You know, anyone can get on there.

00:29:03.020 They don't spend a lot of time on it because it's just off the side of someone's desk.

00:29:07.600 But if you went to them and said, hey, why don't you, like, set up this hotline on Praxy where people can call, get restaurant reviews, talk to people who have been to different restaurants or what's coming up.

00:29:16.380 Now, all of a sudden, again, it's like you're getting paid.

00:29:19.340 you see that money coming in so you have a real interest in making sure that people are getting

00:29:23.280 value and there's a lot of different situations where it seems to me that though that would exist

00:29:29.040 where the internet has made so much information available for free that but sometimes if you don't

00:29:36.240 like find a way to to hedge it in and charge for access you're not actually going to produce good

00:29:41.920 information and so i'm just trying to find ways i mean i'll be interested if praxi takes off

00:29:46.940 to see different kinds of ways people can use this to create value and have a sustainable business

00:29:58.520 because they're incentivized, people are calling them, so I don't know.

00:30:03.240 I honestly don't know how people will use it. I'm interested to see.

00:30:06.800 Well, you know what? It strikes me as very much related to the two directions that society is moving in.

00:30:14.140 On the one hand, we have the globalist centralization phenomenon, the corporate phenomenon, where there actually is no responsibility.

00:30:24.100 Nobody at the corporation is responsible for what's going on. 0.99

00:30:28.460 And when you phone them to ask, why doesn't my stupid phone work? 0.99

00:30:32.080 You know, you get the lowest guy on the totem pole that doesn't know anything whatsoever. 0.99

00:30:37.840 And so that's the one force which I think we're all fighting against.

00:30:41.940 is very depersonalizing, dehumanizing, atomizing.

00:30:46.400 And then you have the traditionalist responsibility,

00:30:52.600 individuals, but also hierarchy and authority.

00:30:57.100 And so I don't think this is reaching at all.

00:31:00.240 Practically, what you're doing is you're reaching out

00:31:02.140 to an authority that's going to be responsible.

00:31:06.820 Absolutely.

00:31:08.260 Yeah.

00:31:08.600 So rather than throwing your money into the corporation, which it just slides into an abyss, you don't know where it goes.

00:31:15.920 You're putting your money and your attention and your resources into an authoritative expert on something, and you know what you're getting.

00:31:27.260 You know, somebody that's invested in making you, the customer, happy.

00:31:32.500 Yeah, I mean, you nailed it.

00:31:34.340 But I mean, that's really like, you know, if there's any sense of mission that I feel

00:31:39.080 and I don't want to try to sell that I'm like on a mission, right?

00:31:42.100 I'm trying to make money.

00:31:43.340 I'm trying to build a business.

00:31:44.180 But it's kind of like definitely what you said and I touched on it earlier, which is

00:31:49.300 to talk to people, you know, is we are living and you talk about this in your show a lot

00:31:55.820 in a world where, you know, the traditional, the foundations of society are crumbling and

00:32:02.380 changing.

00:32:02.860 And I feel like a lot of people are very atomized and they're looking and what do you see, you know, what's on the national news, federal, you know, the world stage and people are obsessed with it and they lose touch of the individuals around them and the individuals.

00:32:21.160 And so this is kind of like a way to say, you know, to have those connections with people where, yes, they're helping you and you're feeling like you're connecting, you know.

00:32:33.860 And that's why I think, like, for people who have online presences like you, it could even go beyond, and I mentioned this to you off the air, it could even go beyond, like, I want help from you, but I actually just want to meet you, you know.

00:32:48.060 like i've been watching your videos for years you know and i have never talked to you uh except for

00:32:54.400 the last week when i reached first reached out to you and it's like there have been times i

00:32:59.480 watched your videos i was like that's really interesting and it's like if you if you had said

00:33:04.680 i'm available you know you can call me and and i want to support your show you know it's like i

00:33:11.720 call you i say that was all right maybe i relate to you oh you know something similar happened to

00:33:16.180 me. And like, and it's, we have a short conversation and, and, and guess what? Now I'm like super loyal

00:33:21.640 to you because now it's like, I've vested time. I've vested money. I've talked to you. I feel

00:33:28.060 like I'm, I feel like I'm part of your team. I'm like, you know, I feel like maybe I've influenced

00:33:32.520 your content. I've influenced your thinking. Like, so this is a way, and I, whenever I talk

00:33:38.400 to people who have really big audiences, a lot of times they say something similar to what you

00:33:43.100 were talking about, which is they, they want to scale, you know, it's not worth my time. But I'd

00:33:48.960 say like, look, these, this is your base, you know, let them call you because once somebody

00:33:53.820 talks to you, they pay for your time, they are going to be so dedicated and loyal. They're going

00:33:58.180 to be buying your books more, they're gonna be consuming your content more. So yeah, I mean,

00:34:03.320 I just think like, like I said, there's, there's really like a feel that comes when you're paying

00:34:08.200 for someone's time they know it and and it's it's just a real respect and uh that that you don't get

00:34:15.320 a lot of times these days where there's not i mean you know everyone everyone gives you the

00:34:22.660 culture everyone you don't know who's not your friend is just like these days you know well

00:34:27.840 there's no love you know we're in a um it's uh like it's a it's i don't know if it's a

00:34:33.920 contradiction or not but see part of the reason we have these depersonalizing forces uh that that

00:34:39.540 are ruling over us is because this is where we give our our time and our attention and our money

00:34:45.220 and at the same time we expect everything for free you know we're used to getting like the

00:34:52.500 you know the internet's free and you you pay your basic cable bill but then you get free television

00:34:57.760 unlimited um and all of this and the thing is yet all that attention and money is going to

00:35:03.900 these depersonalizing forces and it's like you vote with your dollar right and um yeah so i'm

00:35:11.480 primarily doing this as life coaching because i want people again if you want to contact me i'm

00:35:16.540 not going to snub you and say call me on praxi but if you if you really want my if you want me

00:35:21.700 to get up and pay attention to you you know then you know praxi is a bloody good way of doing that

00:35:26.660 so i'm tossing it out there as the life coaching yeah it's the the main thing like heck even my

00:35:31.260 my girlfriend has suggested that i you know consider becoming a padre in the military

00:35:35.820 um you know well the problem is i couldn't keep doing this if i were to but um you know like

00:35:44.020 maybe that's something i can offer a value uh that people get something out of or maybe it

00:35:47.940 again for me i don't exactly know how it's going to go um how people want to use it but it's it's

00:35:55.000 there for whatever. Yeah. And just to follow up on that point you made about you get what you pay

00:36:05.420 for. You don't like to tell people that because people don't like to pay for stuff. But back in

00:36:13.400 the day, you had a church, you had your local institutions and you're participating in that

00:36:18.320 and then you would give money to them. Exactly. The priest isn't going to refuse to speak to you

00:36:22.980 if you're broke exactly but if i have money tied to the church exactly and nowadays people who

00:36:30.960 people we we have these online communities which you know you're definitely part of and but um

00:36:37.360 you know it's still it's still the money needs to be there for them to to survive and thrive like

00:36:42.920 so this is just i mean there's other like patreon is a big one i don't know if you're on are you on

00:36:47.620 patreon davis yeah yeah i'm doing the patreon until i get kicked off so you know again this

00:36:53.560 is kind of how i introduced it um until i get kicked off you know i've had my paypal messed

00:36:58.400 with you know we this all of this nonsense that went on with youtube and ads and whatnot

00:37:04.580 is you know like my issue with the ads wasn't that oh oh no my shekels my issue was that this

00:37:11.240 is just the first step into kicking all of us off youtube in turn you know there is this

00:37:16.960 progressive censorship and um and it's the the people that control these networks you know skype

00:37:23.540 you know right now there's no threat of us being kicked off of skype but how long is that going to

00:37:27.600 last right so we're talking about a service here which like i mean it's just a business service

00:37:35.240 right but it's the business services that are just absolutely crucial to living life these days

00:37:41.620 you know i've talked about common carriers before and we've got some laws protecting you from with

00:37:46.860 the phones and the utility company, they can't cut off your electricity because they don't

00:37:50.340 like your political views.

00:37:52.260 You know, but the other services, Twitter, Skype, Patreon, PayPal.

00:37:59.180 Yeah.

00:38:00.020 And you know what?

00:38:00.940 If you have a Facebook and you're running a business, but that is a crucial part of

00:38:06.900 your business, isn't it?

00:38:08.540 You know, even if it's just selling, I don't know, pottery.

00:38:11.940 Good Lord.

00:38:12.340 You're selling pottery.

00:38:13.480 But then on your Facebook, you said something that the Facebooks didn't like, and so you get kicked off.

00:38:20.560 And now what about your pottery page?

00:38:22.540 You can't log in there and update on what's going on.

00:38:26.340 And that becomes a very crucial service.

00:38:29.340 So on the one hand, yeah, this is just a business, but it's not just a business.

00:38:35.100 It's never just a business.

00:38:37.100 Henry Ford was just trying to make cars, but he also was changing the world by creating the car.

00:38:43.480 Yeah, I mean, you know, I named it praxe after praxeology.

00:38:49.240 I'm a huge, huge advocate of Austrian economics, and when I was trying to come up with a name,

00:38:54.460 I thought praxe would be a good name because what is praxeology?

00:38:59.060 I mean, what distinguished Austrian economics from traditional classical economics is the belief in the individual's subjective value.

00:39:09.160 You know, we believe individuals act, I mean, human action, that's the name of Mises' magnus opus, human actions, the axiomatic truth of Austrian economics is humans act purposely in the world.

00:39:23.040 And so Praxy, the idea here is like when you act in the world, you try to act through your best knowledge.

00:39:31.900 And there are other people out there who can help you make a better decision.

00:39:37.140 So Praxy, it's like purposeful action.

00:39:39.720 Go out and get the knowledge, get the information, get the help.

00:39:43.560 And then it will be worth your while because the money will be well spent.

00:39:49.900 But hopefully people will see that.

00:39:52.640 You know, the concern I have is that people always, like you were saying, you know, they they get stuff for free.

00:40:00.860 And so when you get stuff for free, like there's a saying that the the the the voter is not the person making decisions in elections.

00:40:10.260 The voter is the football being tossed back and forth, you know, and that's if you're not acting with intention.

00:40:16.000 If you're not if you're just responding to everything and you expect everything for free, you become the football.

00:40:21.840 okay you become the the the ball bouncing around the uh pinball machine right whereas if you take

00:40:29.400 authorship you take responsibility and i mean again this is it's a it's a small thing that

00:40:35.000 we're talking about here but it's it's part of a larger pattern if you expect everything for free

00:40:40.700 you're going to get third-rate shoddy goods exactly and if you go out and say i'm going to

00:40:45.560 pay to talk to somebody that knows what the hell they're doing you know and i'm you aren't actually

00:40:50.480 taking responsibility as much as the expert is taking responsibility there but i mean be be a

00:40:57.400 sovereign you know be a sovereign of your life and and in the market the the consumer is sovereign

00:41:02.040 if you're not if you're not paying then you're you're not you're not driving it you're you're

00:41:07.260 someone else is like you said you're the football someone else is going to be manipulating you going

00:41:13.060 to be distorting you not giving you the truth you know and uh so it's you know uh step up and pay

00:41:20.180 And you'll see like how, you know, people, when you're the sovereign, people respond, you know, like, like your, you know, like your, whatever you want to call it, the, the subjects, I guess is the word, you know, and it's a good feeling to pay for stuff, I think, you know, obviously, you can't pay everything anyone asks.

00:41:41.200 And a lot of times, these are not like big transactions, especially like on Praxi, maybe $20 here.

00:41:49.760 How much did you say you're charging? $30 for 30 minutes?

00:41:54.020 Yeah, generally.

00:41:55.520 Right. So I mean, what's that in the larger scheme? That's not even a night out sometimes.

00:42:00.280 You know, and if somebody calls you and you give them even one really profound thing that they think about in regards to their current situation, $30 is a ridiculous bargain.

00:42:14.160 You know, if it's a matter of I didn't take this job or I made this correct move in my career or like I was able to address the situation, my relationship for 30 bucks, you know.

00:42:29.200 And so, I mean, of course, the onus becomes on you to give them that insight, but it's definitely worth it.

00:42:36.000 Well, it's a second set of eyes sometimes.

00:42:38.260 Right.

00:42:39.020 You know, it's, yeah, this is why people, this is supposedly why people go to therapists is because sometimes you need a second set of eyes pointing out the pattern that you've just been absolutely blind to.

00:42:54.800 And, of course, it's up to the individual to make a meaningful change.

00:42:58.400 You know, I can tell you what I see, but I can't force you to do anything about it.

00:43:04.120 But you know what?

00:43:05.300 Like the sort of people that subscribe to my YouTube channel are not the sort of people that just want to, you know, bounce through life.

00:43:12.160 So I'm not too worried about that.

00:43:13.780 You know, I've had with the life coaching I've done, you know, I've seen change in these people's lives.

00:43:21.380 You know, these guys have, you know, gone from being in a really bad situation to, you know, getting into a better situation.

00:43:28.120 and generally moving forward with everything.

00:43:31.700 Yeah.

00:43:32.320 I mean, it's a rare thing to find someone who will listen to you,

00:43:37.240 who will give you their undivided attention.

00:43:40.000 I mean, even I was thinking of this commercial.

00:43:42.840 I pitched it to a friend of mine.

00:43:44.220 He thought it was a really bad idea, but it's basically a commercial for Praxy.

00:43:48.480 In one screen, you have a girl talking to her girlfriend on the phone,

00:43:53.000 and the girlfriend is like watching cable, like sort of going, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:43:56.780 She's watching TV, playing with her cat.

00:44:01.900 Then on the other one, you have a girl calling a girl on Praxi.

00:44:06.860 The girl who she's calling is sitting there taking notes, focusing, full concentration.

00:44:13.960 My friend didn't like it because he thought it doesn't sell well to play that your friends aren't paying attention to.

00:44:22.480 this is this is um have you ever seen that movie what women want with mel gibson

00:44:27.160 a long time ago yeah yeah where you can start he basically he gets a superpower where he can

00:44:32.800 hear what women think right and he proposes a an ad for um for advil where the woman's just like 1.00

00:44:40.900 no i have a headache honey because she doesn't want to have sex and she takes advil and like 1.00

00:44:44.580 the catch line is advil you don't have to take it for headaches because he just the woman was

00:44:49.240 just thinking this while she was sitting there and that that's the ad you just described it's

00:44:54.060 completely bang on except it's totally will not sell to that demographic yeah you know but you

00:45:00.260 know beauty bloggers okay this is a huge thing like these how to put on lipstick tutorial girls

00:45:07.100 yeah you know what they could make a lot of money off of praxi okay uh and i mean it's it sounds

00:45:14.860 ridiculous to to me you know wanting advice on how to put on lipstick like who the hell cares 0.78

00:45:21.140 but you know what girls want advice on something like that so that right there would be a great 1.00

00:45:28.040 opportunity totally and i'm trying to reach out to like people who have hairstyling channels

00:45:32.600 makeup channels you know it'd be great i think michelle fond could make all kinds of money 1.00

00:45:36.900 even guys who have fashion channels but you know there's a lot of times these people have a lot of

00:45:42.980 followers, and I don't know if you've gotten into this yet, but they have agents and you

00:45:49.420 try to set up like a customized marketing with them or, I mean, eventually some person

00:45:55.000 who does it will see the opportunity hopefully and jump on it, but my efforts thus far have

00:46:00.720 not yielded anything tangible as far as that.

00:46:04.120 Which is ironically the whole point of your service is to break through.

00:46:08.200 What do they call them in Gulliver's Travels?

00:46:10.060 The flappers?

00:46:10.980 oh oh yeah yeah they call the people like the basically you'd have the monarch just sitting

00:46:17.380 around bored you know tweeting on their iphone and the flapper was the servant that would um

00:46:23.220 what they would flap a fan at them if somebody who actually had something useful to say had come up

00:46:27.780 and so that's basically anybody in a position of power is going to be surrounded by flappers

00:46:33.280 because you know like guess what donald trump doesn't have time to take all of our phone calls

00:46:38.200 right and so that's kind of the point of praxi is this is how you break through the flappers

00:46:42.600 and um and get somebody's attention so so that's the irony if praxi already existed you could just

00:46:49.080 pay them to hear about this product and and boom yeah exactly i mean i think about that all the

00:46:55.540 time when i'm trying to make sales pitches it's like i just want you to listen okay you don't

00:46:59.620 have to agree with you don't have to accept it but just hear me out you try to make cold calling

00:47:04.620 And when you're, when you're starting a business, it's just like, you know, nobody is giving

00:47:09.340 you the time of day and it's like, maybe you could actually benefit, but you need to take

00:47:12.680 the time to listen, but how do you incentivize them to do that?

00:47:15.640 And, and, and yeah, like in a world where everyone has a proxy account, it's, you could

00:47:20.480 imagine someone starting in a business and they allocate 10% to, to market research calling

00:47:25.400 around and it's just a business expense.

00:47:27.220 Like we are going to call people, pay them for their time and they can, at the end of

00:47:31.500 the call say, I'm sorry, still can't help you. 0.92

00:47:33.720 But probably what they would do is instead of just brushing you off or saying, you know, it's a stupid idea or whatever, they would say, here's what you need to do. 0.88

00:47:42.320 You know, they would want to give some value in return. 0.98

00:47:45.180 They would they wouldn't want to just say no.

00:47:46.820 And so this is what I get back to about it being a really humanizing process to pay because a person wants to deliver value.

00:47:54.920 And, you know, so many people these days are just seems like shouting into the void.

00:47:59.000 But if you have people who are on both sides of the spectrum, very ideological, knowing that, you know, they potentially could get a call and someone could say, like, look, this is – then it's just – the rhetoric softens, I think.

00:48:13.780 And I think it can be only for the good, you know, as far as impacting the world.

00:48:19.980 Yeah, and hey, and we even got Becloff in the comments.

00:48:22.020 And like he said, if you're either the customer or you're the product, you know, and with these –

00:48:27.660 even with these makeup channels you know if you're just uh if you're a girl if you're a girl just

00:48:34.020 watching these videos you're the product and the real customer is the well first the youtube

00:48:39.780 benjamins but the um the makeup companies become the customer right whereas if you phone the girl

00:48:46.600 and say like what what should i wear and and by the way there is a there's actually a whole science

00:48:52.160 to this i did this one girl who completely swears by japanese cosmetics there's a whole 1.00

00:48:57.420 thing to all of this and so if you're calling if the girl calls that girl you know and pays her

00:49:03.300 she's gonna she's not gonna say yeah buy l'oreal she's gonna say actually the japanese ones are

00:49:07.960 really good and that's what you should pick up and you can order them here and yeah there's a

00:49:13.460 there's an agency problem that exists a lot of times anybody who takes free phone calls is it's

00:49:17.980 a lost leader they're taking it for a reason they want to upsell you they want to you know whatever

00:49:22.500 it is. And, and, and there are many occasions where you don't want, you, you want, you would

00:49:27.360 want to pay. I mean, a smart consumer would want to pay, you know, like my brother got his, his

00:49:32.800 garage door repaired earlier a few months ago. And he was like, you know, they came out and I

00:49:37.660 think they gave him some ridiculous estimate. He's like, I would have benefited just to have called

00:49:42.180 a garage repairman in another city who has no incentive who I'm paying. So he's going to give

00:49:48.240 it straight you know and and and there's and he would have and he he's he's built it in his

00:49:53.240 business model i'm giving it to you straight you know instead of uh oh we'll come out you know we'll

00:49:58.340 you know but he has no he has no way of making that sale so he just you know and you know that's

00:50:04.940 when you're like with what with what i do with the writing and the youtubing it's um it's a bit

00:50:10.880 of a balancing act uh where like i try and be as genuine as possible and like i'm concerned about

00:50:17.380 you guys the audience um that's why i've disabled advertising my youtube videos is um just be

00:50:24.500 everything that's going on it's partly a protest against youtube but get into it um but the thing

00:50:29.340 is that if i were solely dedicated if i were a lot smarter and solely dedicated to making money

00:50:35.380 you know i would i would modulate what i spoke about and there's a lot of youtubers that do that

00:50:42.960 I'm not going to name names right now, but, and, um, and so you get a dumbed down message.

00:50:48.540 You get a corporate message.

00:50:49.620 You get a message that advertisers are okay with.

00:50:53.380 Right.

00:50:54.360 And again, that's the same thing.

00:50:55.560 Should you, should the girl buy the L'Oreal lipstick or should she order the really good

00:50:59.620 stuff from Japan?

00:51:00.660 Well, who's paying her for the advice is L'Oreal paying her or is the customer paying her?

00:51:07.500 Yep.

00:51:08.020 That's it.

00:51:08.700 You know, I mean, that's, it's, it's a tough, it's a tough message.

00:51:12.260 that you get what you pay for.

00:51:14.300 Obviously, you don't always get what you pay for.

00:51:16.200 Sometimes you overpay, but generally

00:51:18.260 speaking, the market responds

00:51:20.140 to incentives.

00:51:21.980 In this new world, we have

00:51:23.840 where so much

00:51:25.420 free information is out

00:51:28.360 there, but you say, what's the

00:51:30.160 quality, and who's paying

00:51:32.300 to produce it?

00:51:35.340 That's what I love.

00:51:36.260 There's reviews on the website as well.

00:51:40.540 Yeah, but even those,

00:51:41.980 Oh, on Praxy, yeah, there's reviews.

00:51:44.040 Yeah, on Praxy.

00:51:45.840 I was going to say, that's why I love Aaron Clary's consulting company

00:51:49.780 named Asshole Consulting because it's like, you know, 1.00

00:51:54.060 I'm going to tell you, you're going to think I'm an asshole, 0.99

00:51:59.800 but you're going to hear what no one else will say. 0.99

00:52:02.460 Well, and you know, Praxy is great for him

00:52:04.660 because he gets the Asshole Consulting emails

00:52:06.940 and we get great videos out of it.

00:52:09.660 But if you have a more detailed question,

00:52:11.540 and you want to run a bunch of questions by Aaron,

00:52:14.480 and Praxy is perfect for that.

00:52:16.520 Yeah, and like you said, it's also the dynamic,

00:52:18.460 the one-on-one focused attention

00:52:21.540 that you don't get if he's just reading it

00:52:24.240 on a YouTube response.

00:52:27.200 Well, you know, I think we've pretty much covered all of it.

00:52:30.600 Listen, I'll tell you what, Stephen,

00:52:31.500 I would love to have you on for just a live stream sometime

00:52:35.780 where we don't really talk about Praxy.

00:52:37.900 I don't know if you want to do it

00:52:39.520 Because, you know, you are running a business and you don't necessarily want to be too political if you're running a business.

00:52:46.220 But, you know, I'll let you make that assessment for yourself.

00:52:49.080 And I would love to have you on.

00:52:51.020 Yeah, no, I mean, I'm happy to come on.

00:52:52.440 I mean, I could tell you, like, my political philosophy.

00:52:55.420 I mean, I'm an anarchist.

00:52:56.460 I'm a free market anarchist, pretty hardcore.

00:52:59.880 And I know I've seen some of your videos about particularly the one about libertarianism.

00:53:04.340 And I totally get where you're coming from.

00:53:06.620 I'm more than willing to come on and talk about it.

00:53:09.520 I'm not going to, I probably won't be as outspoken as I once was because of the business, you know, but I will definitely, I will not like, I will not like mislead anyone as to my views.

00:53:21.240 Like, I'm very happy to do that if you want.

00:53:23.760 All righty.

00:53:24.240 And yeah, and you know, I don't like being extreme for the sake of being extreme.

00:53:27.580 I mean, that's the other way you can make money is just become an absolute parody of an extremist and rant about everything.

00:53:34.440 the amazing atheist for example you know it's all of the shenanigans with him they don't detract

00:53:42.520 from his business model they actually add to his business right but you know all of that said we

00:53:49.260 should close this off folks thank you for listening i hope it was um like you know we're mainly talking

00:53:54.880 about the product but i hope it was an interesting live stream all the same can i add one more thing

00:53:59.720 is if anyone has ideas or wants to contact me,

00:54:02.620 just send me an email at admin at Praxy.com

00:54:04.860 or you can call me on Praxy at admin.

00:54:07.540 There's a nominal charge, 10 cents a minute,

00:54:09.520 but you can call me real time

00:54:11.600 or just send me an email and let me know your thoughts.

00:54:15.240 Yes, so the website is Praxy, P-R-A-X-E-Y.com.

00:54:21.440 And shoot, I forgot to put that into the,

00:54:23.800 I'll edit the description after the video.

00:54:26.180 You can download the app.

00:54:27.500 it's on google play store and and on the apple store as well yeah it just it goes right onto

00:54:32.500 your phone and uh it works just like skype and so like i i'm using it on my android it's not

00:54:38.260 even hooked up it's just the damn thing won't hook up in canada and i can't find anybody on 0.52

00:54:43.160 praxi to explain me why it won't not yet maybe after this i have my blackberry that actually

00:54:48.960 works the phone and i have my mini computer android and so yeah you just download it onto

00:54:52.720 the phone um you set up your account your information on there and boom you phone people

00:54:58.840 just like skype so it's yeah and it rings even in the in your when your phone's resting or in

00:55:05.380 the kill state so yeah guys uh check it out uh link to uh link to the life coaching page i put

00:55:13.200 up on my website um but of course if there's if you think there's something you can get a value

00:55:18.300 from paying to talk to me,

00:55:20.240 I'm down to talk to you.

00:55:21.640 But at the same time,

00:55:22.620 you can send me an email.

00:55:24.020 I will respond to emails, okay?

00:55:25.720 I'm not saying I refuse to speak to you

00:55:27.600 or anything like that.

00:55:28.960 But yeah, I think that covers everything.

00:55:32.160 Guys, thanks for listening.

00:55:33.820 Steven, thank you very much for being on.

00:55:35.840 Thank you for putting the service together.

00:55:37.940 Thank you.

00:55:38.360 I've enjoyed talking to you

00:55:39.400 and hope to talk to you again soon.

00:55:42.060 Absolutely.

00:55:43.320 Well, folks, we're closing out of here.

00:55:44.800 So Deus Volt, Orini out.

00:55:48.300 Thank you.

Leo D.M.J. Aurini - April 11, 2017

I'm available for life coaching： Livestream with Stephen Rose, Founder of Praxey, Inc

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