Leo D.M.J. Aurini - August 03, 2018


Joe Rogan VS Jordan Peterson： Incels, Game, and Restarting Civilization [Requested Video]


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What are we supposed to do about the problem of incels? Is there a solution to this problem, or should we teach men to be more attractive to women? This is a question that has been on my mind a lot lately.

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00:00:00.000 This is a requested video from Scott, and I almost feel bad taking money for him because this question perfectly crystallizes something that I've been thinking a lot about lately.
00:00:15.420 See, so often, I'm seeing this time and time again in our civilization, you've got somebody over here, and they're saying something, and they are completely right about all the points they're making about how civilization needs to do this.
00:00:28.980 And then you've got somebody over here that's disagreeing with them and saying the opposite, but they're completely right as well.
00:00:35.600 Both sides are completely right, and yet both sides are completely wrong, and there's no workable solution, and all we're doing is building castles in the sky.
00:00:46.080 That was the case with this recent conversation between Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.
00:00:58.980 Now, on Peterson's side, he was talking about the fact that civilization, if it is a hypergamous, if it's a polygamous civilization, is not sustainable. 0.76
00:01:13.180 When 10% of the guys are getting 80% of the women, the other 90% of guys have no investment in society. 0.68
00:01:21.280 They're not going to work, they're going to tear it down.
00:01:24.960 Whether they do it deliberately, or whether they just refuse to participate and live minimalist lifestyles, you have a civilization that's collapsing because the men, the majority of men, are not invested in it.
00:01:37.060 And simultaneously, the women, if it's nine women for every guy, then those women aren't going to get the attention, do a wife, do a mother. 1.00
00:01:48.800 It's a system of instability.
00:01:52.280 And that monogamy, or something close to monogamy, is the ideal situation if you want to have a civilized society where people can actually develop.
00:02:01.440 Rogan, for his part, he was pointing out the fact that, okay, you enforce monogamy, and now all these guys that are incels, well, they're getting laid with wives that are disgusted by them.
00:02:20.020 Because isn't the sexual market, it's a free market, you're going to have some winners, some losers. 0.99
00:02:26.100 Sadly, you're going to have a lot of losers.
00:02:28.660 It's a basic Pareto principle.
00:02:31.360 20% of the causes result in 80% of the results.
00:02:35.620 The Pareto principle, it's universal.
00:02:38.840 And so what, we're going to force all these women to marry men they're not attracted to? 0.86
00:02:42.920 Is that what we're going to do?
00:02:44.000 Or can we teach these men to be more attractive?
00:02:48.720 So you can see here that both are right, and both are absolutely wrong.
00:02:54.540 You know, we could talk about this.
00:02:59.260 We could point out, you know, Catholic social teaching, that, you know, the economy exists for the sake of man, for the dignity of mankind.
00:03:11.780 Man doesn't exist for the economy. 0.58
00:03:13.220 And we need a balance between these extremes.
00:03:18.260 We don't want a perfectly free market, all right, where 1% get 99% of the wealth.
00:03:24.040 We want a balanced market, a regulated market, not a socialist market where everything's controlled.
00:03:30.600 But we want some control, some things.
00:03:32.560 We could talk about that.
00:03:33.540 We could even talk about the fact that it used to be that you needed to appeal to the father to get the woman, right?
00:03:42.540 And so now that you can appeal directly to the woman, you don't have to have a stable income.
00:03:47.340 You don't have to have a good moral history.
00:03:49.920 You know, a motorcycle and some tattoos will often be all that you need.
00:03:56.380 But talking about all these things, all we're doing is building castles in the sky.
00:04:00.600 All we're doing is saying, you know, they had a better system way back when.
00:04:04.820 I see absolutely no proposal as to what we are going to do, how we are going to cut the Gordian knot of this.
00:04:15.440 Because both these men are right, but they're also wrong, and the whole conversation is irrelevant.
00:04:21.900 What are we supposed to do about the fact that we have 20% of the guys getting 80% of the women, 10%, 90% these days it seems like, because that is not a stable civilization? 0.98
00:04:38.500 Well, I'll tell you what we're going to do.
00:04:42.520 See, the issue with Rogan, when he's talking about teaching these guys to be more attractive to women,
00:04:54.360 well, you wind up back at the place where everyone's running faster on the treadmill and they stand in the same place.
00:05:00.580 It's brutal, but some of these incels talk about how game is only for guys that are 7 out of 10 or above.
00:05:06.780 It's brutal, but that's the reality.
00:05:11.620 Rogan's looking at an individual solution.
00:05:15.120 Peterson's looking at a societal solution.
00:05:19.700 I don't care about either of those.
00:05:22.600 What I'm interested in is organizing.
00:05:28.520 Organizing.
00:05:36.780 Rogan, his solution is too individualistic.
00:05:41.700 In fact, all of our solutions are individualistic. 0.94
00:05:45.480 This whole damn society, we are all atomized individuals, and yet we also have all these organizational social controls. 0.98
00:05:53.760 You're an atomized individual, but if somebody acts against you, you can't go out and punch them in the jaw. 0.99
00:06:00.180 The police will take care of it, or the court system will take care of it. 0.97
00:06:04.440 We've got this in narco-tyranny. 0.92
00:06:05.800 How do we overcome a narco-tyranny? 1.00
00:06:09.560 And what we start doing is we start organizing as men.
00:06:15.580 We are a generation without fathers.
00:06:19.280 We were never initiated into masculinity.
00:06:23.300 We were never inducted into male organizations.
00:06:27.100 Nobody ever came to us and said,
00:06:29.420 Hey kid, you got a talent there.
00:06:31.520 I want you to come join my team so you can learn,
00:06:34.020 so you can apprentice,
00:06:35.520 and you can move up the organization.
00:06:37.760 Now, here's the one thing Rogan doesn't talk about.
00:06:41.160 Certainly, teaching men to be masculine, 1.00
00:06:43.760 teaching them to have game, etc.
00:06:45.000 Yes, that's great.
00:06:46.560 Encouraging them.
00:06:47.780 He mentions that part.
00:06:48.780 What he doesn't mention is the status you get for being part of the organization.
00:07:03.500 Because he has no organization.
00:07:05.080 Peterson has the university,
00:07:09.500 but the university doesn't really do anything to make him more masculine.
00:07:13.420 His recent fame is largely self-achieved.
00:07:17.020 It has nothing to do with U of T.
00:07:20.640 Rogan has no society.
00:07:23.380 His fame, his status, is entirely based upon his own merit.
00:07:27.900 What we're going to do is we are going to start civilization back up again.
00:07:36.500 We are going to start it.
00:07:38.800 And we are going to do that with bands of brothers.
00:07:46.640 Rule number one is that you have to learn to be a man.
00:07:51.500 We have boys running around all over the place.
00:07:54.540 Never taught to be men.
00:07:55.720 Never inducted into masculinity.
00:07:57.920 Many of us have gone out there seeking after it.
00:08:01.200 Joining the military.
00:08:02.420 Picking up chicks. 0.80
00:08:03.580 All these proxies for masculinity.
00:08:06.220 Some of us have used those proxies to get there.
00:08:08.900 To bootstrap ourselves,
00:08:10.420 even though there were no male mentors,
00:08:12.460 no male role models,
00:08:13.780 to actually induct us into it.
00:08:16.880 What we're going to start doing
00:08:18.000 is not teaching the men to be more attractive.
00:08:22.320 If not teaching them game or merely game,
00:08:25.680 we are going to start demanding that they be men.
00:08:30.300 We are going to start organizing and forming hierarchies.
00:08:36.080 Hierarchies that look out for one another.
00:08:38.100 Not these corporate hierarchies.
00:08:46.320 Not these hierarchies where you have to utter the shibboleths of your bosses,
00:08:50.960 desperately clawing your way out of that bucket full of crabs to get anywhere.
00:08:54.720 We are going to form hierarchies that actually value the men in them.
00:09:02.600 We are going to form small hierarchies, small tribes.
00:09:06.380 We are going to use these organizations to start inducting the young men,
00:09:14.260 the young boys.
00:09:16.020 Inducting them into manhood. 0.52
00:09:17.680 Holding them to standards.
00:09:19.020 Setting an example for them.
00:09:20.580 And giving them status.
00:09:24.100 Because they're associated with this organization.
00:09:26.840 Who's going to enforce monogamy? 1.00
00:09:38.500 We're going to enforce monogamy. 0.97
00:09:42.180 We're not looking for a handout from anybody else.
00:09:44.500 We're not looking for some big solution.
00:09:47.700 No, nothing like that.
00:09:49.660 We are going to take what we want.
00:09:52.260 Scott had the right instinct.
00:10:00.200 When he said that it used to be that you had to prove yourself to the father
00:10:05.380 before you could get the woman.
00:10:10.500 Except we don't have fathers anymore.
00:10:12.540 We have absentee landlord fathers.
00:10:15.300 No, you have to prove yourself to the leader of the tribe
00:10:23.720 before you get to be part of that tribe.
00:10:26.400 You have to be a man 1.00
00:10:28.100 before you get to be part of this organization.
00:10:31.380 You have to have your act together
00:10:33.600 and then, then you join the organization.
00:10:37.240 Then we give you some of our social value.
00:10:42.040 We start networking you.
00:10:43.620 We start making sure that you're doing something productive.
00:10:46.320 And we start finding stuff productive for you to do.
00:10:54.380 This is how we cut the Gordia knot.
00:10:56.620 We start from the basics once more.
00:11:01.980 The whole civilization...
00:11:04.780 Guys, it's not falling apart.
00:11:06.300 It's already fallen apart.
00:11:08.100 People have forgotten what civilization is.
00:11:10.520 And they are constantly locked up into these constant battles.
00:11:14.380 You know, the Protestants say that the Pope is corrupt.
00:11:18.000 The Catholics say the Protestants have no tradition or history. 0.52
00:11:21.120 Both are right and both are wrong.
00:11:23.260 Neither have the bloody solution.
00:11:25.000 Show me the last time the Catholic Church 0.77
00:11:26.480 actually helped a young boy become a man.
00:11:29.620 Show me the last time the Catholic Church 0.77
00:11:31.600 actually engaged in some sort of pro-civilizational behavior.
00:11:35.520 Show me the last time anybody did that.
00:11:41.100 Nobody is doing that,
00:11:42.440 which is why we are going to do that.
00:11:48.960 And once we do that,
00:11:50.960 once we have those organizations,
00:11:52.400 we're not going to be marching through Charlottesville
00:11:54.960 with a bunch of tiki shirts.
00:11:55.840 That's the thing.
00:11:56.540 We're not selling t-shirts.
00:12:00.420 We are not a slogan or a brand.
00:12:05.740 We are not your source of narcissistic supply.
00:12:11.360 What we are doing is creating men. 0.89
00:12:15.540 Our civilization hasn't seen real men 1.00
00:12:17.660 in any significant number.
00:12:20.060 We haven't seen them in at least 50 years.
00:12:22.500 We're going to start creating men again. 0.99
00:12:31.900 And once we create those men,
00:12:33.660 we will get those men wives. 1.00
00:12:36.660 And believe me,
00:12:37.220 the ladies will be absolutely 0.84
00:12:39.440 ecstatic
00:12:42.600 over the whole thing.
00:12:47.880 That's what we're going to be doing.
00:12:49.120 and it starts with you
00:12:51.560 holding yourself
00:12:52.580 to masculine standards.
00:12:56.620 Get your act together. 1.00
00:12:58.820 Wash your balls, 1.00
00:12:59.760 as Peterson Wood would say. 1.00
00:13:01.820 Learn to fight
00:13:02.660 like Joe Rogan.
00:13:06.920 And then
00:13:07.860 start networking.
00:13:10.520 Start forming hierarchies.
00:13:14.120 This
00:13:14.720 is how we change the world.
00:13:16.600 not by begging for scraps
00:13:19.220 or begging somebody else
00:13:20.820 to fix things,
00:13:21.760 but by fixing them ourselves
00:13:23.460 and seizing
00:13:24.740 what we want. 0.97
00:13:31.040 It's the losers 0.96
00:13:31.940 that make history, folks. 0.96
00:13:34.360 Romulus and Remus.
00:13:37.300 Charlemagne
00:13:37.860 and his paladins.
00:13:40.000 And us.
00:13:40.980 The most
00:13:41.940 over-educated,
00:13:44.320 wealthy,
00:13:44.660 and unemployed 1.00
00:13:46.620 bunch of losers 0.99
00:13:48.260 who have ever existed. 0.99
00:13:50.460 We
00:13:50.760 are the ones
00:13:51.760 who will be making
00:13:52.740 the new society.
00:13:56.300 Deus volt, folks.
00:13:58.520 Irini
00:13:58.880 out.
00:13:59.640 And
00:14:02.980 and
00:14:05.740 and
00:14:07.480 and
00:14:08.260 and
00:14:09.240 and
00:14:16.800 and