Leo D.M.J. Aurini - August 27, 2014


Justice Versus Social Justice

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equality and justice concepts
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Leo D.M.J. Aurini
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John Rawls Andrew Todd Argoстиi Jordan Broken
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In this episode, we discuss the difference between justice and social justice, and why they are two completely different ideas. We also discuss the Christian concept of Divine Justice, and how it is different from Social Justice and Feminism.

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00:00:00.000 So, as I'm sure most of you know, Jordan and I launched our Patreon campaign for our
00:00:11.560 upcoming documentary, The Sarkeesian Effect, not four days ago.
00:00:16.520 We haven't even hit 20% of our funding goal yet, and already the social justice warriors
00:00:22.840 are going nuts, and they've already mustered a counterattack.
00:00:26.900 There's an article earlier today by Andrew Todd that compared us to ISIS terrorists and
00:00:34.040 said that we're all misogynists, you know, as to be expected.
00:00:37.580 It's a rather lengthy piece, it's linked down below, but I'm impressed with his ability
00:00:41.660 to put it out so quickly.
00:00:43.860 We must have these people running scared, almost as if the light of truth is just terrifying
00:00:49.740 and destructive to their movement, as if there are a lot of lies for us to uncover.
00:00:55.900 But anyway, the topic of this video is the difference between justice and social justice.
00:01:05.280 And this is inspired by one of the phrases that Todd uses in that article.
00:01:11.920 And it is, warrior?
00:01:14.040 I'd rather be a social justice warrior.
00:01:17.760 And see, I find that absolutely hilarious.
00:01:24.760 Because that is the exact same thing as saying, nationalist, I'd rather be a national socialist.
00:01:32.140 Thank you.
00:01:33.140 I'll tell you, what this all boils down to, really, is that nobody really knows what social justice is.
00:01:44.520 You know, a lot of people hear the term social justice, and it sounds like a nice thing.
00:01:49.520 You know, social is a nice thing.
00:01:51.520 Justice is a nice thing.
00:01:53.520 You get the sense that it has something to do with systemic problems, trying to address
00:01:58.420 those problems.
00:02:00.780 So it sounds like a nice thing to those people.
00:02:04.900 Those who have looked at it a bit more closely, they notice that social justice always seems
00:02:10.640 to harm the people that it's claiming to help.
00:02:14.900 You know, feminism certainly hasn't made women any happier. 1.00
00:02:20.040 You know, they used to have a choice about whether they wanted to work or wanted to stay
00:02:23.620 at home.
00:02:24.620 You know, nowadays, they have to work.
00:02:28.220 You know, somebody's making a profit off of that, but it ain't the ladies. 1.00
00:02:33.860 No thing, no difference, rather, with the black race baiters. 1.00
00:02:39.940 You know, you go back 50 years ago, and blacks were better off overall, despite the racism, 0.98
00:02:48.220 than they are now.
00:02:49.660 You know, you had solid families.
00:02:51.660 You had community pride in black communities, despite being treated like second-class citizens.
00:02:56.660 And, you know, the social justice movement takes control of this.
00:03:01.660 What do you have now?
00:03:03.660 Broken down ghettos and shame. 0.88
00:03:06.340 But that's just a description of what they do.
00:03:15.620 It's not an explanation of what they are.
00:03:18.740 Of what social justice is, and how it differs from just plain old justice.
00:03:26.580 Because, believe me, these are two completely separate and opposed ideas.
00:03:32.220 But to explain why, we're going to have to talk about Christian theology.
00:03:39.500 Because the social justice movement, it really is a product of post-Christian metaphysics.
00:03:48.500 Now, Christianity was always very clear that there were two levels upon which justice happened.
00:04:01.440 There was man's level of justice.
00:04:05.280 You know, this is justice, you know, done by the king.
00:04:08.040 You know, laws written by the king.
00:04:10.720 And this justice doesn't always make sense.
00:04:14.680 You know, it's not always the optimal outcome, but it's always logical.
00:04:21.220 You know, once a law is made, you can't throw it away.
00:04:23.720 You can't just change your opinion on laws.
00:04:28.160 Laws are laws, obey them, or you get hit with a stick.
00:04:33.600 Not perfect.
00:04:35.040 Nothing in this world is perfect.
00:04:38.000 But it was least predictable.
00:04:40.000 Then, you had divine justice.
00:04:46.000 You know, this comes from the concept that no man can weigh another man's soul.
00:04:54.440 Only God can do that.
00:04:55.880 And one of the best examples I've heard of this was from C.S. Lewis.
00:05:01.240 And he discussed two men.
00:05:03.840 You know, one of them, one of them is very strong. 0.94
00:05:07.880 The other is a puny weakling.
00:05:10.480 And if these men are driven to anger, you know, not just anger, but rage, violent, toxic 0.97
00:05:17.120 rage, the strong man might end up killing an entire city in his madness.
00:05:24.600 Whereas the puny man will just be laughed at.
00:05:30.420 Now for man's law, the puny man, we don't do anything about that.
00:05:35.040 There's nothing to be done.
00:05:36.040 He didn't hurt anybody.
00:05:39.560 Whereas the strong man, you know, we put out a bounty for his arrest because he killed
00:05:45.400 a bunch of people.
00:05:47.280 So that's man's law. 0.79
00:05:48.780 But God's law, actually looking at their souls.
00:05:52.820 Maybe he looks at those two souls and he sees the exact same crime.
00:05:58.100 Like their anger was the crime in God's mind.
00:06:03.700 You know, the physical consequences is what we mere mortals have to deal with.
00:06:11.200 But from God's perspective, it's the internal thing that matters.
00:06:14.720 It's the soul.
00:06:17.240 That we should all be striving to be better people.
00:06:21.120 And so a rich man that does something evil can do a lot more damage to the world than
00:06:27.120 a poor man.
00:06:29.280 But that both have the same journey to try and become a better person.
00:06:34.000 Now the post-Christian world that we're living in, what we have done is we've taken these 1.00
00:06:42.000 metaphysical, theological ideas and we've tried to drag them down to the physical world.
00:06:51.080 And social justice in particular.
00:06:53.280 Now you can point to John Rawls, an ethicist from the early...
00:06:59.280 published his book, Theory of Justice, in 1971 if I recall correctly.
00:07:05.760 And you read through this book.
00:07:07.280 And if it were a book of theology, if it were a book talking about why you shouldn't necessarily
00:07:13.280 judge another person.
00:07:14.280 You know, if they steal from you, you should call the police and send them to prison.
00:07:20.280 But you shouldn't hate them.
00:07:22.280 You know?
00:07:23.280 You should say, I don't know what they were going through when they decided to steal from
00:07:27.280 me.
00:07:28.280 So I'm not going to pretend that I'm perfect because I'm not perfect.
00:07:32.280 That person, I don't know what they're going through.
00:07:35.280 Maybe they were under more pressure than me.
00:07:38.280 Maybe they were more tempted to steal than I've ever been.
00:07:42.280 So in the physical world, they go to prison.
00:07:45.280 In the physical world, they're a criminal or you're not.
00:07:48.280 But in the metaphysical world, I don't know.
00:07:50.280 I'm not going to cast judgment on another person.
00:07:55.280 I'm going to judge them in court as a thief.
00:07:59.280 But I'm not going to judge their soul.
00:08:01.280 Well, Rawls tried to take these principles and bring them into the physical world.
00:08:10.280 The principles of his book, A Theory of Justice, are equality and equitability.
00:08:20.280 And see, the problem with these words is that equality, that's something that's in your soul.
00:08:29.280 All souls are equally important.
00:08:32.280 All men obviously are not. 0.69
00:08:35.280 Some men are strong, some are weak. 0.73
00:08:38.280 Some are good looking, some are ugly. 1.00
00:08:41.280 Some are smart, some are stupid. 1.00
00:08:43.280 People are not equal. 1.00
00:08:48.280 Equality before the law means the law is the same for everybody.
00:08:56.280 From king to commoner, the law is the same.
00:09:00.280 But king and commoner are not alike.
00:09:03.280 So by saying all people are equal when they obviously aren't, and failing to specify that he's talking about the soul, he's talking about a metaphysical concept, not measurable reality, by failing to specify that, we then come up with a quandary.
00:09:30.280 That all people obviously aren't equal, so we have to make them all equal.
00:09:37.280 And equity.
00:09:41.280 You know, what is equity?
00:09:45.280 Let me rephrase that.
00:09:48.280 Instead of equity, let's say self-actualization.
00:09:51.280 What is self-actualization?
00:09:54.280 For one person, maybe self-actualization involves pushing their body to the limit and becoming a famous athlete.
00:10:04.280 For another person, their self-actualization is realizing that they're never going to be a professional athlete and settling down into suburbia and having some kids.
00:10:15.280 You know, I can't say what their self-actualization is.
00:10:21.280 I can't say what their equity is.
00:10:24.280 You know, to dumb it down even more, maybe one person really likes cake, and the other person doesn't like cake very much.
00:10:32.280 You know, so if I split the cake into two halves and give one half to each, that's not equity.
00:10:39.280 But see, I can't figure out what that equity is.
00:10:43.280 I can't tell if this person likes cake more than this person.
00:10:48.280 And so maybe you're seeing how this turns into the dregs of the social justice movement on Tumblr.
00:10:56.280 You know, if we embrace as a physical principle that some people like cake more than others, and so we should apportion the cake to the person that likes it the most,
00:11:06.280 soon enough you have the person that whines the loudest gets the biggest piece of cake.
00:11:13.280 So by trying to take these abstract theological principles and put them into practice,
00:11:20.280 what you're guaranteeing is that the worst people are the ones that profit, not the best people.
00:11:31.280 It's the whiner that gets the cake, not the person that actually really likes cake. 1.00
00:11:38.280 And furthermore, you've just destroyed justice.
00:11:43.280 Because justice as a system, the whole principle is that it cannot self-contradict.
00:11:52.280 Every law needs to be built on previous laws.
00:11:55.280 It needs to be a logical progression forward.
00:12:00.280 Every so often we run into situations that don't quite fit the law.
00:12:06.280 And this is where we build upon it. This is what case law is.
00:12:11.280 Perhaps you've heard the saying, the example that proves, or the exception that proves the rule.
00:12:18.280 Well, this is an archaic definition of the word prove, which means test.
00:12:23.280 As in, prove yourself. Test yourself. Prove the law. Test the law.
00:12:30.280 Does this exception actually point out a problem with the law, in which case we need to amend it?
00:12:36.280 Or, is it not an exception at all, and so we continue to follow the law?
00:12:43.280 Either way, what you get is a body of legal work, which you can predict.
00:12:49.280 If you know the basic foundational principles, and they are clear and logical, not based upon high-minded ideals.
00:12:59.280 You know, you can't make niceness a law. What does being nice mean?
00:13:04.280 You know, you can't make that a law.
00:13:06.280 But you can define what theft is.
00:13:10.280 You can define what murder is.
00:13:13.280 And if you know the basic rules underlying all of the laws, you can predict the rest of them.
00:13:21.280 And so ignorance is not an excuse, because just being aware of the law is enough to know, to reasonably guess, what the law is. 0.99
00:13:31.280 The result might be something stupid at times. 1.00
00:13:35.280 But it is predictable stupid. 1.00
00:13:38.280 You know, there might be a rule saying you can't do a U-turn. 1.00
00:13:44.280 And that rule shouldn't apply because it's in the middle of a...
00:13:47.280 But you know it's against the law.
00:13:49.280 Even if it's silly, you know it's against the law.
00:13:53.280 Whereas trying to take these high-minded ideals of perfect justice, of divine justice, and bring it down into the real world, what you get is incoherency.
00:14:08.280 You get the person that complains the loudest.
00:14:11.280 They are the biggest victim.
00:14:14.280 Even if they are the person victimizing others.
00:14:17.280 After all, what do bullies normally do?
00:14:20.280 The bullies, as soon as an authority shows up, always try and justify their actions.
00:14:26.280 You know, say that they were the victim there, or they weren't really, they were just kidding, what have you.
00:14:32.280 And so if the teacher makes their decision as to who's the bully based upon who feels the most,
00:14:38.280 they're going to side with the bully seven times out of ten.
00:14:44.280 As opposed to saying, it doesn't matter why you hit him in the shoulder.
00:14:49.280 It's wrong to hit. 0.97
00:14:52.280 So we're hitting you with a stick.
00:14:54.280 And so this brings us back to the first statement. 0.70
00:15:00.280 Warrior?
00:15:01.280 I'd rather be a social justice warrior.
00:15:04.280 The thing about a warrior is that a warrior is honest.
00:15:10.280 A warrior isn't necessarily a good warrior, but they are a warrior.
00:15:17.280 They are what they say they are.
00:15:19.280 So they've got the basic grounding of virtue at the very least.
00:15:23.280 Same thing with a nationalist.
00:15:26.280 If somebody says, I am a nationalist, and they mean that in the most simplistic sense,
00:15:31.280 that they will support their country for good or ill, then you know what they are.
00:15:41.280 If they say they're a national socialist, that is beyond, I support my country, even if my country sometimes does wrong.
00:15:52.280 A national socialist says, I support my country, and my country cannot be wrong by definition.
00:16:01.280 If we had to kill 12 million people because of our national socialism,
00:16:07.280 well, those 12 million people had it coming. 0.97
00:16:11.280 It's all good.
00:16:14.280 The same thing with the social justice warrior.
00:16:17.280 You know, you get Rawls starting off, and he's trying to talk in high-minded ideals about making everybody equal,
00:16:24.280 getting more equity in society, so on.
00:16:27.280 But eventually, you get corruption, you get lies, you get manipulation.
00:16:34.280 And it can't be manipulation since it's pursuing equity.
00:16:39.280 Even though the whole idea is to try and stop people from hurting each other,
00:16:49.280 once you say that anything called social justice is social justice,
00:16:54.280 and that is the logical conclusion of equity,
00:16:57.280 at that point, anybody claiming to be an agent of social justice
00:17:02.280 is allowed to do anything they want to achieve the ends.
00:17:08.280 They are not held back by rules.
00:17:10.280 They are not held back by laws.
00:17:12.280 They are not held back by internal consistency.
00:17:16.280 Instead, they're free agents to do whatever they think feels good,
00:17:23.280 with no accountability to themselves, to society, and certainly not the god they stopped believing in 200 years ago.
00:17:32.280 And remember, if you support the Sarkeesian effect, if we get this made,
00:17:42.280 we are going to make a major blow against this toxin that's infesting our civilization, that's making all of us sick.
00:17:52.280 That's what we are trying to do, is get some honest light and truth all over all of this.
00:17:58.280 Some basic logic and decency to return to our society.
00:18:04.280 These people are running scared, because even though they can't understand it,
00:18:11.280 even though they've never been taught to think in a rational manner,
00:18:15.280 instinctively, they can sense the storm is coming.
00:18:19.280 So, toss us a buck a month to get this film made, and we will not disappoint you.
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