Leo D.M.J. Aurini - September 08, 2012


Lewis Vs Palahniuk Pt 2： Food Porn and Making Love

Topics
food porn food porn and objectification
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Leo D.M.J. Aurini
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C.S. Lewis Pepe Le Pew Scarlett Johansson Chuck Palahniuk Chris Hansen Tim Hortons Frankenstein Shelley Dunkin Hagar
Fight Club & CS Lewis Left Wing Bullying

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In this episode, I discuss the similarities between C.S. Lewis and Chuck Palaniuk, and how they are similar in many ways, including their love of food and obsession with sex. I also discuss how the two writers bounce off each other, the Christian and the nihilist.

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00:00:00.000 So, I think you folks will find this interesting.
00:00:05.000 This video actually started out as a conversation between a co-worker and myself.
00:00:10.000 And it wasn't until the end of the conversation that I noticed the connection between C.S. Lewis and Palaniuk.
00:00:17.000 So, this video is actually going to be the reverse of that conversation,
00:00:21.000 starting where it concluded and going through the steps that led to that conclusion.
00:00:27.000 It's just interesting how well these two writers bounce off each other, the Christian and the nihilist. 0.91
00:00:39.000 Anyway, let's jump into it.
00:00:41.000 So, first, C.S. Lewis. The passage I'm thinking of is, I believe in the book, Mere Christianity by him,
00:00:48.000 which is a great book if you want to understand what Christianity is really all about.
00:00:53.000 And C.S. Lewis asks the reader to imagine a society where people line up and pay for tickets to go to a theater,
00:01:07.000 where the curtain is drawn open and a tray is wheeled out, and a hand reaches to lift up the cover on it,
00:01:15.000 and there's a steaming roast turkey on the tray there.
00:01:19.000 And people just applaud and cheer and just think it's absolutely amazing.
00:01:25.000 So, Lewis says, you'd assume that this society, in your mind, you'd think that people were starving there.
00:01:33.000 If they'd get so excited about seeing a roast turkey, they'd pay to go see it.
00:01:38.000 But then you do a bit more investigating, and you actually find quite the opposite.
00:01:43.000 People in the society aren't starving, they're actually overweight and overfed.
00:01:47.000 And what a bizarre circumstance that is.
00:01:53.000 And of course he was using this metaphor to talk about strip clubs, about sex in our culture,
00:01:59.000 where we have this obsession with sex.
00:02:03.000 We're constantly paying to, you know, you pay to see a stripper, a naked woman take her clothes off in the internet era. 0.63
00:02:13.000 You'll pay $8 a beer to go watch that while she dances to Britney Spears or something horrible. 1.00
00:02:18.000 You have movies, where there was recently a picture going around the internet of the Avengers movie,
00:02:26.000 where they had all the male characters pose in the Scarlett Johansson pose, 0.90
00:02:30.000 showing off their butts at the camera and how ridiculous that looked. 0.99
00:02:33.000 But that's the thing, all of these movies always have to have a chick showing off her butt on the movie poster. 1.00
00:02:41.000 It's just ridiculous, the level of sexualization we have. 0.99
00:02:45.000 And yet at the same time, our society is absolutely obsessed with sex. 0.98
00:02:50.000 We're having tons of it. There is sex everywhere, constantly.
00:02:54.000 And so it's a very unhealthy obsession.
00:02:58.000 But meanwhile, C.S. Lewis was bringing up this food porn as a reductio ad absurdum.
00:03:08.000 Not quite that, but he was using it as an example, an extreme, silly example. 0.90
00:03:13.000 Well, I can't speak to what's going on in the United States.
00:03:18.000 But here in Canada, if you go into a Tim Hortons, that's our Dunkin' Donuts, 0.81
00:03:24.000 they have food porn playing on the bloody televisions. 0.97
00:03:27.000 Seriously, they have just these disgusting images. 0.97
00:03:30.000 They'll have a honey cruller and just this thick pouring of sugar water onto it, coating the whole thing as it rotates erotically. 0.98
00:03:43.000 Or the spinning about of their fruit smoothies.
00:03:46.000 All this extremely erotic marketing material for their sweetest and most unhealthy things.
00:03:55.000 I'm sure you have something like that in the United States.
00:03:58.000 And just this looping video that's always playing.
00:04:01.000 And to go with C.S. Lewis again, we have a massive obesity epidemic here.
00:04:08.000 The people aren't starving, but they're just obsessed with food.
00:04:12.000 They're insatiable, they're lustful.
00:04:19.000 So that's C.S. Lewis.
00:04:21.000 Now let's look at Chuck Palaniuk.
00:04:24.000 The co-worker and I, we've been listening to the audio book of Haunted, I believe is the novel.
00:04:31.000 Now there's one particular instance in Haunted that I'm going to focus on, but I'd like to rewind a bit and just discuss Palaniuk for a moment.
00:04:42.000 Now I certainly don't know him personally and I'm not trying to malign his character.
00:04:48.000 Obviously I'm a fan of his. 0.89
00:04:50.000 But he almost seems, it seems like the narrators of his stories, because he himself is a homosexual, that he's a self-hating homosexual. 0.52
00:05:06.000 That his characters are all so broken as individuals.
00:05:13.000 They're all failed uber mentions, particularly in this book Haunted.
00:05:20.000 The premise is that all of these people get together to try and lock themselves away.
00:05:26.000 Trying to imitate Lord Byron and Shelley in that, if you haven't heard about it, it's kind of cool.
00:05:36.000 It's where Frankenstein got written.
00:05:38.000 They lock themselves up in a nice French home somewhere and wrote a bunch of stories. 0.99
00:05:46.000 These degenerate lunatics of their era. 0.75
00:05:49.000 So that's what all these people in the novel are trying to do. 0.92
00:05:53.000 They try and lock themselves up in this place with each other to write the great novel.
00:05:59.000 To change reality. 0.65
00:06:02.000 But they're all broken degenerates on the inside.
00:06:08.000 One phrase that keeps being repeated throughout is the desire to become the camera behind the camera behind the camera.
00:06:17.000 To try and...
00:06:19.000 You have the camera watching the newscaster.
00:06:22.000 And you have the person controlling the camera that decides which pictures it shows.
00:06:27.000 And you have the person behind that deciding what stories are going to be reported and how they're going to be reported.
00:06:32.000 And then so on up the chain.
00:06:34.000 To try and get to this meta-narrative level of reality.
00:06:38.000 To try and transcend it through that.
00:06:43.000 And yet, each one of these characters...
00:06:45.000 This is...
00:06:46.000 I mentioned this before about the breakdown of the self when you reject the material world.
00:06:53.000 When you pretend that you can create your own fantasy to live in.
00:06:57.000 Each one of these characters falls into this.
00:07:01.000 And just becomes absolutely vile, morality-free human beings.
00:07:09.000 But there's one story in particular that stood out.
00:07:15.000 I'm not going to go into too much detail about it.
00:07:18.000 It's basically a bunch of short stories, this book, from each of these degenerates' perspectives.
00:07:24.000 The story in question involves a police unit that investigates child sex crimes.
00:07:36.000 And the secretary accidentally orders a couple of real dolls rather than the stuffed, anatomically correct dolls that the child victims use to explain what happened to them.
00:07:55.000 And the police officers become vile degenerates.
00:08:01.000 But the phrase that keeps being repeated during that story is,
00:08:08.000 This is what people do.
00:08:10.000 They turn people into objects, and objects into people.
00:08:19.000 And see, that's what's underlying this whole degenerate sexuality.
00:08:26.000 And, in fact, our degenerate approach to food.
00:08:30.000 So let's think about food for a moment. 0.95
00:08:33.000 On the one hand, you have that food porn.
00:08:35.000 The greasy, sugary, fills an immediate urge, but leaves you feeling hollow and empty inside.
00:08:47.000 There's this big, obsessive production about,
00:08:51.000 Look at how delicious our McDonald's burger is, or our sugary treats.
00:08:55.000 Now compare that to a good family dinner, a Thanksgiving dinner.
00:09:02.000 Now a Thanksgiving dinner is a big production.
00:09:05.000 Your mum spends all day slaving away in the kitchen, and your sister's making something at home that she brings over.
00:09:12.000 And your whole family gets together, and you over consume a little bit.
00:09:15.000 It gets a little bit crazy.
00:09:17.000 You gain a little bit of weight from eating a little bit too much.
00:09:20.000 But the focus of the evening is on the people you're sharing it with.
00:09:25.000 The food is great, but it's not just the belly you're focusing on.
00:09:31.000 It's also the higher self.
00:09:34.000 It's about sharing this food with people you love.
00:09:39.000 While the quick, cheap, fast food porn is just an immediate satisfaction of your base urges. 0.99
00:09:49.000 And sex has become the same damn thing. 1.00
00:09:53.000 That girl with her ass taking up half the billboard is nothing but this objectified human being. 1.00
00:09:59.000 You yourself looking at this billboard are objectified yourself. 1.00
00:10:03.000 You're just meat.
00:10:05.000 You're just a pulse and a bunch of hormones going to an inevitable release. 1.00
00:10:13.000 As opposed to love making.
00:10:18.000 We don't make love in our culture. 1.00
00:10:21.000 We fuck. 1.00
00:10:29.000 And one last bit. 1.00
00:10:31.000 One last bit.
00:10:32.000 Because it's so strange.
00:10:35.000 It's interesting how the response to this. 1.00
00:10:41.000 The response to this society that only fucks and doesn't know how to make love is to try and hammer down on the fucking aspect. 1.00
00:10:51.000 But whenever they do that, it starts coming out in really weird ways. 1.00
00:10:57.000 There's three big ones I'm thinking of.
00:11:04.000 We start with the male dominance is evil.
00:11:10.000 Male dominance is wrong. 0.63
00:11:13.000 This perversion of natural sexuality.
00:11:16.000 That males are the aggressive pursuers of women.
00:11:20.000 And women initiate the sexual behavior with their flirting. 1.00
00:11:26.000 With their push, pull, push, pull, run away but not fast enough that you can't catch me.
00:11:32.000 Sort of thing.
00:11:34.000 Male as the aggressor. 0.92
00:11:36.000 As the pursuer.
00:11:38.000 Pepe Le Pew. 0.97
00:11:40.000 This is how sex is supposed to work. 0.88
00:11:42.000 But no, we've hammered down on that. 0.99
00:11:44.000 Hammered down on that because of the date rapes and all those evil men out there. 0.99
00:11:48.000 And so now we have a generation of men that are pussified, that don't arouse women. 0.96
00:11:56.000 And women who, A, don't know how to arouse men by the push-pull game because they've been taught it was wrong. 1.00
00:12:03.000 And B, go to the other extreme to try and get that dominance. 0.88
00:12:08.000 Because they can't get the regular dose of dominance in their day-to-day lives. 0.95
00:12:13.000 They go to the extreme and they go and have a gangbang orgy. 0.86
00:12:18.000 Or they go to a glory hole or they do whatever. 0.90
00:12:22.000 And believe me, this stuff is more common than you might think.
00:12:30.000 So dominance.
00:12:31.000 Dominance. 1.00
00:12:32.000 We're hammering down on normal sexual dominance and it's coming out into fucked up STD spreading orgies. 1.00
00:12:38.000 Then we've got this child porn witch hunt. 1.00
00:12:45.000 Suddenly, finding a 16-year-old attractive makes you a pervert. 0.99
00:12:53.000 Even though she's been menstruating for several years. 0.96
00:12:56.000 She would have been married at 14 during any other era.
00:12:59.000 And a happy mother by her mid-20s. 0.99
00:13:03.000 You're a pervert for finding a 16-year-old attractive. 1.00
00:13:08.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00
00:13:10.000 So we have this child porn witch hunt. 0.85
00:13:13.000 It's even creepy for a 30-year-old man to find a 20-year-old attractive.
00:13:19.000 What's wrong with him?
00:13:20.000 Almost like his genes want to find a fertile womb to put the seed in or something.
00:13:25.000 So it's an absolute obsession to catch a predator. 1.00
00:13:29.000 That creep Chris Hansen thinking he's some sort of hero for catching these kind of dumb guys 0.99
00:13:37.000 that are a little bit down on their luck or sexually frustrated. 0.97
00:13:41.000 And what do we have?
00:13:44.000 Child pageants.
00:13:47.000 Child pageants.
00:13:48.000 I don't know if you've ever seen one of these things.
00:13:52.000 But they get these little girls. 1.00
00:13:54.000 Four years old.
00:13:55.000 Six years old.
00:13:56.000 To paint. 1.00
00:13:57.000 They get them all painted up like whores. 1.00
00:14:00.000 They put on tight clothing. 1.00
00:14:02.000 Tight spandex.
00:14:04.000 And they go on stage and dance.
00:14:07.000 And I used to do security at a college where we had this.
00:14:10.000 And of course we were right across the street from a sanitarium. 1.00
00:14:13.000 Every single time we had these little girls dressed like fucking prostitutes. 1.00
00:14:17.000 We'd have some crazy guy, some retard from across the street wander in. 1.00
00:14:22.000 And it's just confusing. 0.95
00:14:24.000 As a normal man, seeing a little girl painted up to look like a mature woman? 0.99
00:14:31.000 It's very messed up to see that.
00:14:35.000 And all of their mothers, these mothers, these trophy wife sort of just haggard souls. 0.99
00:14:44.000 All of them skinny with leathery skin and just this constant sour look of disapproval
00:14:51.000 because their little girls are never dancing quite well enough.
00:14:55.000 They need to get their girls to win the competition. 0.94
00:14:58.000 They need to relive their youth vicariously through their daughters who they're turning into little harlots. 1.00
00:15:07.000 That's one example.
00:15:08.000 But look at any of the youth culture nowadays. 0.91
00:15:11.000 Any of the poisonous, sick, sex-infested children's entertainment that's being pushed onto children nowadays.
00:15:20.000 We hammer down on the fact that men find younger women attractive. 0.97
00:15:29.000 And it comes out that we have this very sick sexualization of children going on all over the place nowadays.
00:15:37.000 And the third big one that I notice, violence between the sexes. 0.75
00:15:50.000 Now this will probably be the most controversial one, but there is a subset of women that enjoy being beaten by their partners. 1.00
00:16:03.000 Quite frankly, it's a universal trait of womanhood that women, they like a little bit of pain with their pleasure. 1.00
00:16:09.000 The two biggest bonding experiences of a woman's life are losing her virginity and giving birth. 0.54
00:16:17.000 Both of which are painful and yet incredibly pleasurable.
00:16:22.000 Women appreciate men that tease them, that know how to neg them, that know how to be masculine. 0.82
00:16:29.000 They like the push-pull of just a hint of cruelty.
00:16:33.000 And with some women, it goes so far that they will actively provoke their partners to try and get their partners to hit them. 1.00
00:16:43.000 These women know what they're doing. 1.00
00:16:45.000 They enjoy the attention.
00:16:47.000 A lot of them are borderline, but it's a personal lifestyle choice. 1.00
00:16:54.000 Except then what happened is some little princess that was rebelling against Daddy made a stupid decision to date a bad boy biker. 1.00
00:17:04.000 If you've read The Stone Angel, terrible book. 1.00
00:17:08.000 Hagar, from that, I believe that's her name, marries a loser and I believe he beats her.
00:17:16.000 And she came from an upper class family. 1.00
00:17:18.000 So some little princess made a really stupid decision to go after the bad boy because it pissed off Daddy. 1.00
00:17:24.000 And she got beaten without realizing she was going to get beaten. 1.00
00:17:28.000 And so all of a sudden we have domestic violence as this huge, huge crime.
00:17:35.000 When it almost never happens the way that you're imagining it.
00:17:39.000 The guy and the wife beat her home from work drunk. 1.00
00:17:41.000 Oh, where's my fucking dinner? 1.00
00:17:43.000 No, that almost never happens. 1.00
00:17:46.000 The vast majority of it is women that want it to happen to them. 1.00
00:17:50.000 That enjoy the attention, enjoy the pain.
00:17:53.000 And it's a weird, messed up way to live.
00:17:58.000 But that's what we're hammering down on.
00:18:00.000 Now even saying no to your wife.
00:18:02.000 No, I'm not going to give you money to buy something you don't need.
00:18:04.000 That's a form of controlling, manipulative behavior.
00:18:08.000 And so what do we have instead of wife beating? 1.00
00:18:13.000 BDSM.
00:18:15.000 Needle play.
00:18:17.000 Flogging.
00:18:18.000 Bloodletting.
00:18:19.000 Again, this natural urge for a bit of pain.
00:18:24.000 Which in some women went as far as provoking their husband to slap them. 1.00
00:18:28.000 Mouthing off so that they'd get slapped.
00:18:30.000 Has been pushed down upon.
00:18:33.000 And instead we have the extremities of the BDSM community.
00:18:43.000 Our diet.
00:18:44.000 Our love lives.
00:18:46.000 Our...
00:18:47.000 All of them are just so messed up nowadays.
00:18:51.000 And on top of that we have the state coming down.
00:18:54.000 And cracking down.
00:18:56.000 Telling us how they're supposed to be.
00:18:58.000 And the state is just making things worse.
00:19:01.000 The state's controlling our diet.
00:19:06.000 Telling us what's healthy based upon pseudo-science.
00:19:09.000 And also telling us that pizza is a vegetable.
00:19:12.000 They're telling us that normal male-female interactions. 0.96
00:19:15.000 Normal healthy male-female sex with brains involved is unhealthy. 0.97
00:19:21.000 But their degenerate form of high fructose corn syrup sexuality is perfectly okay. 0.70
00:19:27.000 Interesting how, uh, Palaniuk and Lewis play so well off each other.
00:19:39.000 Uh, Mere Christianity and Haunted. 1.00
00:19:41.000 I do recommend both books.
00:19:44.000 Find someone you love, folks.
00:19:46.000 Rini out. 0.97
00:19:47.000 Rini out. 0.97
00:19:48.000 Rini out. 0.97
00:19:49.000 Rini out. 0.97