Leo D.M.J. Aurini - April 02, 2013


Politics & Theology： Logos, Agape, & Forgiveness

Topics
love vs. reason in relationships demonic morality
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Leo D.M.J. Aurini
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Logos Spock
Generational Cycles & the Upcoming Crisis Real Environmental Concern

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15 minutes

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In this episode, we discuss the role of theology in politics, and how it influences our understanding of the world, and what it means to be a good human being. We also discuss forgiveness, and the role it plays in the modern world.

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00:00:00.000 Now in this video, we're going to be discussing theology, but what we're actually talking
00:00:11.940 about is politics. You're going to need to bear with me because theology is the DNA that
00:00:17.560 goes into all of our thought, political, cultural, artistic, romantic, but it's very hard to
00:00:24.800 notice. So we're going to start with theology, then we're going to get to the politics and
00:00:30.680 show how the theology influences the politics. And we're going to start with logos and agape.
00:00:42.820 First, there was the word, and then the word was love.
00:00:49.560 That God created the universe through reason, through intellect, through coherency, through
00:00:59.160 mathematics, and that love comes afterwards. That you need to start with reason, you need
00:01:07.420 to start with rationality, with thinking, with thought, before you can get to love.
00:01:13.740 This is why a human woman with all of her imperfections and blemishes is more beautiful than the perfect 1.00
00:01:27.440 plastic sex doll. This is why the small business that's sustainable, that makes a moderate income
00:01:38.620 and does good work, is beautiful, while the scam artistry is ugly.
00:01:43.620 This is why a rational, challenging, and even frightening argument is beautiful, while post-hoc rationalizations
00:01:57.620 post-hoc rationalizations are ugly. Logos, then agape. Reason, then love.
00:02:09.620 Now what happens when you turn this on its head? What happens if you start with love, then follow
00:02:16.620 up with the reason? So you meet a woman, and you love her. Why do you love her? What is it about her?
00:02:26.620 What is it about her character that you love? What is the substance to it? If you start with love, then
00:02:33.620 you come up with a rationalization for why you love this woman, you're going to end up with a dysfunctional
00:02:42.620 relationship. The thing is that if you love somebody, be it a friend, be it a song, be it a loved one, you start with
00:02:54.620 rationality. The reason you should love a person in the first place is because of who they are, because of what their
00:03:01.620 nature is, is because of understanding what they represent, and love is the natural outgrowth of that.
00:03:08.620 Now if you start with love, you wind up in the non-judgmental society. You wind up in a society of relativism, a
00:03:20.620 society where all things are equal. There is no fundamental basis of love, and you have no right to judge
00:03:28.620 anybody else based upon whom and how they love.
00:03:34.620 No standards. Standards are post-hoc. You start out with the love, then you come up with the standards, then you
00:03:40.620 figure out the rules. You start with animal passion, and then try and use reason to regulate that animal passion.
00:03:50.620 With no possible judgment ever being applied to this passion in the first place.
00:04:00.620 Obviously, this is the philosophy of our time, putting agape before logos.
00:04:06.620 But what does this mean, the political sphere? Like, how do we start, like, obviously we're talking about the
00:04:14.620 non-judgmentalism, the relativism of the modern day, but how do we go from just saying that that's relativism,
00:04:23.620 that's bad, that's icky, to actually showing that relativism is actually ugly, and terrible, and harmful to people?
00:04:34.620 Let's look at the matter of forgiveness, of mercy, justice, and mercy. 0.95
00:04:46.620 One of the most disgusting things I see in the modern day is quote-unquote Christians 1.00
00:04:54.620 forgiving people that murdered their children when the people are unrepentant.
00:05:02.620 This celebration of forgiveness, the saying that you shouldn't stay angry at people, that being angry at somebody just poisons your own soul.
00:05:14.620 You need to learn to forgive everybody, that everybody gets the agape whether or not they have the logos to deserve it.
00:05:24.620 This is one of the most evil and destructive and wrong and unmanly things I see out there.
00:05:33.620 This forgiveness of criminals who have never shown contrition.
00:05:38.620 So let's say you forgive a criminal. Let's say you're a judge.
00:05:49.620 Your responsibility is to administer justice tempered with mercy.
00:05:55.620 That if you have a criminal who's showing contrition, a criminal who recognizes that his action was wrong,
00:06:04.620 that this man does not need as much of a punishment as the one who is unrepentant, who shows no contrition,
00:06:11.620 who never apologizes, who never admits any wrong to the act that he performed.
00:06:19.620 So what happens if you give forgiveness to everybody?
00:06:24.620 All of a sudden you have no law.
00:06:28.620 You see this with the modern socialism where we forgive everybody their life choices.
00:06:39.620 What, you screwed up and you had a kid way too early when you weren't married?
00:06:45.620 Oh, oh what, you, you screwed up and you didn't get a useful education?
00:06:50.620 You never figured out how to work hard? 0.97
00:06:53.620 You, you screwed up and you got involved in the drug trade when you were a kid?
00:06:57.620 You know what, you know what, everybody is equal and everybody deserves that equal love of Jesus,
00:07:03.620 even though that's not what the Bible says.
00:07:05.620 So we're gonna give everybody this equal love.
00:07:08.620 We're gonna give everybody welfare.
00:07:10.620 We are going to encourage degeneracy.
00:07:14.620 Think about children for a moment.
00:07:18.620 Now, Dr. Spock, if you're listening, you can get out of here 0.98
00:07:21.620 because I don't want your ugly agape before logos in this freaking video. 1.00
00:07:25.620 But for any sane person, raising a kid, you need to set boundaries. 0.98
00:07:30.620 You need to have consistent rules.
00:07:32.620 You need to start with the logos.
00:07:35.620 And if you, then you get the agape.
00:07:39.620 You set the standards.
00:07:41.620 You set the rules for your children.
00:07:43.620 Reasonable rules with a little bit of play in them.
00:07:46.620 Not a, you're not a lawyer.
00:07:48.620 You're not a Nazi.
00:07:49.620 But reasonable, consistent, steady rules.
00:07:53.620 The kid screws up.
00:07:55.620 Kid gets punished.
00:07:57.620 That's how you love your children.
00:07:59.620 That's how you create somebody that's a reasonable, responsible adult.
00:08:04.620 But the modern tactic of child rearing, again, starts with the agape.
00:08:10.620 It starts with the love.
00:08:12.620 It starts with the giving your children whatever they want.
00:08:16.620 Just be nice to them all the time.
00:08:18.620 Don't spank them. 1.00
00:08:19.620 Don't ever punish them.
00:08:21.620 Just, you know, be nice to them all the time. 0.96
00:08:24.620 And what you wind up creating is a generation of little self-centered, irresponsible monsters. 0.73
00:08:33.620 As likely to end up in jail or get stabbed in a bad drug deal.
00:08:40.620 Because they've never learned standards of behavior.
00:08:42.620 They've never learned.
00:08:44.620 Reason and logos and decency.
00:08:49.620 And we see the exact same thing.
00:08:51.620 That the ironic thing is that the groups most dedicated to voting for the Democrat Party
00:08:58.620 are the ones most harmed by their socialist policies.
00:09:03.620 By the infinite, unjudgmental love coming out of the Democrat Party.
00:09:09.620 Whereas the Republicans, to some degree, at least have a few standards left.
00:09:15.620 Though there aren't very many.
00:09:17.620 There's an interesting visual hallucination you can cause.
00:09:30.620 Where if you, and maybe some of you guys have noticed this.
00:09:34.620 If you've ever been playing a video game and the camera goes inside the skull of your character.
00:09:41.620 You see a very, very uncanny valley, very funny and screwy looking face staring at you.
00:09:48.620 Well that's because it's not a perfectly painted mask.
00:09:52.620 But if you take a, an inverse of a three dimensional object.
00:09:58.620 And put it on a two dimensional YouTube screen.
00:10:02.620 Or if it's just far enough away that your binocular vision doesn't kick in.
00:10:07.620 The inverse of something will look exactly like the real thing.
00:10:12.620 If you want to screw with people.
00:10:17.620 Put a, take a painting and put parabolas behind the eyes.
00:10:23.620 And it'll actually cause the eyes to follow them all around the room.
00:10:26.620 Until they get close enough to actually see that they're inverted.
00:10:30.620 And see this is what, for lack of a better term.
00:10:39.620 This is what demonic morality looks like.
00:10:43.620 You see like, true morality.
00:10:46.620 True standards and honesty and the pursuit of truth.
00:10:51.620 Starts with logos and agape.
00:10:53.620 But if you take it and contrast it to demonic morality.
00:10:57.620 You know like certainly this, this blind acceptance of all people and all lifestyles.
00:11:01.620 Of, of not having any standards but being a cultural relativist.
00:11:05.620 At a distance, it looks nice.
00:11:08.620 It looks like morality.
00:11:10.620 Demonic morality.
00:11:12.620 This inverted morality. 0.91
00:11:15.620 Doesn't look like black masses. 1.00
00:11:19.620 Doesn't look like witches dancing around. 0.87
00:11:22.620 It looks like you're happy, friendly, loving, liberal.
00:11:26.620 Not judging anybody.
00:11:28.620 And donating to charity.
00:11:30.620 But the thing is that you start to twist this.
00:11:38.620 If you have an inverted mask.
00:11:40.620 If you take a mask of a face.
00:11:43.620 And you paint the face on the inside of the mask.
00:11:46.620 And if I were showing it to you right now.
00:11:48.620 It would look like a face.
00:11:49.620 You wouldn't be able to see.
00:11:50.620 I could even twist it side to side.
00:11:52.620 It'd still look like a face to you.
00:11:53.620 But the instant you start to get to that 180.
00:11:56.620 Things snap.
00:11:59.620 All of a sudden you can see the ugliness to the whole thing.
00:12:03.620 And so this modern world built upon loving first and reasoning second.
00:12:08.620 You can increasingly see the ugliness appearing in all of this.
00:12:15.620 The funny thing is that.
00:12:17.620 Because if you take again.
00:12:19.620 Let's go back to justice and mercy.
00:12:22.620 Mercy is clearly the side of love.
00:12:26.620 Justice the side of reason.
00:12:28.620 And so.
00:12:31.620 These modern liberals.
00:12:33.620 Post modernists.
00:12:35.620 Leftists.
00:12:36.620 Their typical response to all of this.
00:12:39.620 That you should have standards.
00:12:41.620 That sometimes need to spank your children. 1.00
00:12:43.620 Is that. 0.67
00:12:45.620 You don't have enough love.
00:12:47.620 You don't have enough mercy.
00:12:48.620 That you're all dictatorial judge.
00:12:51.620 You are all these harsh and unforgiving standards without an ounce of mercy to them.
00:13:00.620 Except that's the thing.
00:13:01.620 Is when you're doing logos and agape.
00:13:03.620 Mercy is built into the equation.
00:13:06.620 Mercy is naturally there.
00:13:08.620 It doesn't happen until after justice.
00:13:10.620 First you figure out the justice.
00:13:11.620 Then you figure out if mercy is deserved.
00:13:14.620 But it's there.
00:13:15.620 And it's acknowledged that reason without love is ugliness.
00:13:21.620 You need both.
00:13:23.620 But reason needs to come first.
00:13:26.620 The ironic thing is they accuse the traditionalists.
00:13:31.620 The truth seekers.
00:13:32.620 The sane people.
00:13:34.620 They say that we have insane standards of behavior.
00:13:38.620 And yet just go look at the very first rebellion against the Catholic Church.
00:13:46.620 Look at Luther.
00:13:47.620 A man that said it was okay to kill a thousand people as long as you had faith. 0.97
00:13:53.620 That you'd go to heaven. 0.96
00:13:55.620 Faith was all that mattered.
00:13:56.620 Love was all that mattered.
00:13:58.620 Not the behaviors that resulted.
00:14:02.620 Whenever you see these extreme, Kafkaesque, insanely bureaucratic organizations,
00:14:13.620 it's always the leftward organization.
00:14:15.620 It's always the organization dedicated to agape first and logos second 0.91
00:14:22.620 that is the most insane and abusive and violent. 0.95
00:14:27.620 Look at the Puritans. 1.00
00:14:29.620 Look at all of the people they murdered. 0.99
00:14:31.620 Look at Cromwell, a man that used to murder peasants and rape women for fun in his childhood. 0.92
00:14:38.620 And quite frankly, look at the current leadership of the Democratic Party. 0.91
00:14:44.620 A party that is dedicated to acceptance of all and love of all,
00:14:48.620 and yet isn't afraid to use steel-toed boots to force their policies through.
00:14:56.620 They start with love and then use whatever reasonable behavior will achieve this end.
00:15:06.620 That is never thought about.
00:15:08.620 This end is never considered.
00:15:10.620 The end is love.
00:15:11.620 The end is innate.
00:15:13.620 And any sort of means are justified.
00:15:23.620 Sane people reason first, and their love and their beliefs flow out of that reason. 1.00
00:15:28.620 To put love, to put belief, to put instinct up on a pedestal, and then let reason flow,
00:15:42.620 then let the means flow, that's how you get tyranny.
00:15:47.620 That's how you get a demonic world.
00:15:51.620 And that's how you get the world we live in.
00:15:54.620 Marini out, folks.