SATW Livestream 2026-01-18 - Discussing Ken Wilber's ＂The Religion of Tomorrow＂
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In this episode, I discuss Ken Wilber's new book, The Religion of the Future. Spoiler warning: it's nothing crazy, but it's not that scary either. It's actually quite optimistic and exciting. I talk about the structure of consciousness, the quadrants, the states, and why any of this matters.
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i wish i could figure out how to get this to do it beforehand but i haven't figured that part out
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yet. And so what I'd like to do... oh hey I can use that.
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Nope, pause that. I'm gonna be tweeting this out. Sorry for the rough intro
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everybody. Okay there, I can see myself on the screen.
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I've got a live stream, so sorry for all the boomer tech.
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And I think we're just about ready to go. Thank you for the patience.
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So, welcome to the stream. I'm going to be discussing Ken Wilber's book, The Religion of the Future.
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Spoiler warning, The Religion of the Future is all the ones we already have.
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so it's nothing uh too crazy or frightening say well it's pretty crazy but it's not that
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frightening what he's talking about it's actually quite optimistic and exciting
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so let's get back to the tab here i've decided to do this as a live stream
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i was trying to figure out how to make this video and i think live stream is the optimal way to do
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it, because that way, if I'm not clear about anything, or if there's stuff that you guys
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need more clarification of, you can ask me in the comments.
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But I do have a bit of a layout for how I'm going to be doing this.
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Second, we're going to hit the structures of consciousness.
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You guys have all probably heard of Psycho Man.
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He's the guy that uses, to quote him, uses Ken Wilber's theory to complain about modern dating with great precision.
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This is what he mainly focuses on, is the structures of consciousness.
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This is going to be the challenging part for myself, but I think I've got it.
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And I'm going to finish off by talking about why any of this matters.
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Like, is this more than just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
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The consequences of everything that's happening right now are profound.
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And, yeah, but we'll save that until we get there.
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First, I should start off by introducing myself a little bit.
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So, I've been interested in developmental psychology from the youngest age.
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Interested in understanding what the mind is, how the mind works, what rationality is,
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how we integrate with the universe, how we ought to be living our lives.
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These are things, these are questions that have possessed me for the longest time.
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Mitch Crane says he's nervous and excited for the future at the same time.
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All right, I'm going to click over to the, rather than the stream window, I'm on the YouTube window now, so I'm going to scroll down a bit so my out of sync by three second face doesn't distract me.
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so yes i've been interested in all of this for a very long time um but i didn't know about ken
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wilbur until psychomath started posting uh so huge thanks to him for making me aware of it
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i think part of the issue is that ken wilbur his theory he calls it integral theory which
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to me sounds like calculus so i might have brushed over it not realizing what it was and he also
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talks about a fourth turning in buddhism which is not at all the same thing as the fourth turning
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in the strauss how generational cycle theory he does comment in the book that we really lack the
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language for a lot of these higher states like we're kind of forced to use metaphors to describe
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all of them. Because these are new layers of consciousness that we're
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society, nobody had names because you didn't need a name.
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Your name was your job. Your name was mother, brother,
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grandpa you know spear chucker whatever it might be you didn't need a name as a caveman because
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there weren't so many people that you needed names and we're kind of hitting the same sort
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of thing with these layers of consciousness uh so yeah this is something i've been very
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interested in for a long time just recently discovered like past couple years discovered
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Ken Wilber's work. I've been digging deep into him. I'm also a bit of a mystic. I'm
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highly, highly skeptical of most claims. I take a very cutting, rational approach to
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anything on the fringes. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in things on the fringes.
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I'm pretty convinced that astrology is true, that there is strong evidence for psychic ability,
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and I've had enough experiences myself that, yes, psychic ability is a real thing.
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I haven't gone out of my way to disprove it personally, but I got a degree in geographic information systems.
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And even paranormal experiences I've had, most of them could be sleep deprivation, could be optical illusion.
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I take note of them, but I'm not sure about most of them.
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So I tend to have a very cutting intellect with all of this.
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I don't just believe anything that comes across my table, but I'm also not closed-minded.
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I don't effing love science. I love ideas. I love exploring consciousness.
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So, I explain all of that because there may be a lot of new watchers for this video because of the topic.
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um and so if you don't know me and if you look up my name you're going to hear a lot of people
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very angry about me because part of being rational for the past 20 years is noticing that society has
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been leading up to this mass formation that it's been going nuts and it's mostly been going nuts
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on the left so yeah lots of radical lefties that think i'm the second coming of mustache man
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whereas the right is only like 30% Looney Tunes
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The best metaphor I could give for this book, which I absolutely love because of how analytical it is.
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The best metaphor I can give for it is imagine one of those medieval travel logs.
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during the medieval era there was a lot of these explorers that would write in their journals
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about finding the country of the dog-headed people and there were frequent debates there
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there were theological debates in medieval europe as to whether or not the dog-headed people could
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receive baptism right that people believe these dog-headed people actually exists
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filled with the weirdest stuff at the same time.
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and ken wilbur will briefly casually mention oh yes and this is the land of the dog-headed people
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it's fantastic like there's a few places in the book where he makes where he says uh and by the
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way if you master this skill you get to choose which body you get to reincarnate to anyway back
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we are actually talking about psychic abilities
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in quantum mechanics you know they call it the observer effect
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if you observe the particle, okay that's not what it is
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it's if you collapse the waveform the particle behaves one way
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And yet it's pointing out something really spooky about the universe.
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The observer effect doesn't prove psychic ability.
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but it does prove that the universe is really, really spooky.
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If you're still existing in the Newtonian billiard ball version of reality,
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well, like, that hasn't been, that's been thoroughly discredited, like, a century ago.
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so let me let me see some of these comments here
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master mahan podcast oh hey man good to have you good to have you yeah we're gonna do a podcast
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pandora's box oh man i could i'm not i'm not gonna get into that not touching pandora's box tonight
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Tonight's whiskey is, I went to the store, and it was the 10% off day,
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Oh, man, we're not going to get into GATE, aside from GATE is real, the CIA has proved that the afterlife exists, the documentation's been released on that, they proved, they scientifically proved that there's an afterlife.
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And then buried it for 20 years because they were trying to spy on the Russians.
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Necrodancer comments, psychic shit is annoying, seeing too much you didn't ask for.
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Well, you know what, maybe some of this will be useful for that.
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Ken Wilber, highly advanced mystic and scientist, who absolutely definitely has psychic abilities and visions,
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but he keeps it out of his books because his books are purely analytical, right?
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It's like he's, imagine Christopher Columbus had a vision from God telling him to go west to the new world.
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There's a guy that wrote Ender's Game, wrote a novel about that concept, by the way.
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So imagine Christopher Columbus had a vision from God telling him to go west.
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And he briefly mentions this in his journal, and the rest of it is nothing but science of navigation.
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so with that said let's jump on to point number two the structures of consciousness
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this is the thing that psychomath talks about all the time
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this is your thinking about your relations to other people
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Psycho-Math typically does nine levels of structures.
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there you can have as many levels as you want it's how nuanced do you want to be it's like
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asking how many colors are there in the color palette or or how many notes are in a scale
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we use 12 but there's you can use more than that okay like the math keeps getting more detailed
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It's all mathematical relationships when it comes to notes in a musical scale.
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Same thing with levels of thinking about thinking.
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And, by the way, the source for all of this, where did Ken Wilbur get this?
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Did he just make it up? Did he have a vision about it?
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No, there's been an extensive field of study in psychology.
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I'm going to quote from, I'm going to paraphrase from Peterson talking about Piaget.
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Piaget was asking the question, okay, so does the human, like, does the baby, the new human, do they boot up sort of like a computer?
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Right? Like, at this stage, this process boots up, and then this process boots up, and on and on.
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I should be using this hand, because I've got half the screen covered.
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And it turns out that, yes, yes, then the brain activates by booting up various structures, booting up various levels of morality.
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And the more complex human civilization gets, the more complex our moral reasoning needs to be.
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Right? Like in caveman days, caveman would be, if we look at this chart here, down at the bottom, the magic.
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This is where we're thinking at caveman days, where we don't need names for everything.
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if we see an eagle it is the eagle god it's not a representation of the great spirit the great
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eagle it is the great spirit uh in the magic mindset every bend in the creek
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The subject becomes the object of the new subject, which sounds really obtuse.
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But give it a sec, because it perfectly illustrates it.
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Those are the stages we're going to use for this video.
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You'll also notice on the x-axis you have the states of consciousness.
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That's going to be the part where it gets really weird.
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Let's try and explain this so everybody understands.
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Again, this is what PsychoMath does with his channel.
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I'm going to be explaining them slightly differently than him.
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and maybe his explanation and my explanation combined
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will, you know, fertilize some fruit trees in your mind.
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We could roughly put this at the magic stage, or this breakdown.
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right so the baby wants something the baby cries
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the toddler wants something they go and find mom or dad
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You'll sometimes see a kid having a temper tantrum, and nobody's paying attention.
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The kid will stop having a temper tantrum, go and find an adult to pay attention, and then have another temper tantrum.
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is where we started having emotions strategically.
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To a large extent, we labeled these emotions as gods, right?
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Like, the god descended upon the guy with the ankle from Battle of Troy.
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Thus, the previous subject became the object of the new subject.
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This is also the era when slavery was invented.
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And slavery was the transition to the next stage,
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reservation so the the whole it's not the odyssey it's like the sequel the whole plot of that story
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is that you have all these people seeking power you have this big battle happening because these
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Psychomath would call this stage four, the stage of traditional religion,
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the stage of social roles, of very strict social roles.
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These are just like feeling things, wanting things.
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I want the things I want, and I don't want people telling me I can't do it.
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Well, if everybody does that, if everybody just blindly seeks out their own power, we have chaos everywhere.
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This is also the, this is what starts the conversation in Plato's The Republic.
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Look, the conversation in that dialogue, it starts off with the question of, is justice
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a virtue in and of itself, or is justice a necessary evil?
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Like, what I want to do is be good to my friends and do evil to my enemies.
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But if everybody does that, then soon we've burned down one another's houses and we've burned all the crops.
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So instead of doing whatever I want all the time, we have to have a justice system, unfortunately, so that we don't murder one another and shit in the streets and et cetera, et cetera.
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or and this is the question that that starts socrates uh asking the whole thing
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or is justice actually good should justice not just like it's not just a necessary like we all
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gotta pay taxes who's gonna build the roads you know go ask that at a libertarian conference
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um but is justice actually a good in itself should we want justice for justice's sake
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And the mythic, the orange on this chart here, is where you start celebrating justice for justice's sake, where you get the Ten Commandments, right?
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Where, where the, the Iliad, the Iliad illustrates that when everybody is just seeking their own power, when, when Achilles is acting like an N word, then everything's going to fall apart.
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And actually we need a higher ordering to society.
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Like the traditional religious values were at one point the novel religious values.
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so the subject becomes how can we have how can we have nice things how can we have a civilized
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society well what we need to do is take these power urges which were the previous subject at
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the the subject of i want to be i want to be the guy i want to have all the things
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to rewind a bit if you were a caveman with a tribe of 50 people you didn't need any rules
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like you already know what the rules are right like you go visit your friend right you're thirsty
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you usually you're gonna say hey do you mind if i grab a glass of water
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which is just the weirdest question in the world like the water's free
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of course you can grab a glass of water why are you asking well because you're at your friend's
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house. And you're not just going to start poking at his stuff. It's his water. It's
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his glass. So you ask permission. This stuff is built into us. You don't need to think
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about the rules. You don't need to think about the justice system at the tribal level. This
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stuff is programmed into us. Even dogs know these rules. But when you start getting to
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these complex societies, well, how do we all get along so we're not stepping on each other's
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toes you're starting to get some really complex internal structures dictating how you treat others
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okay so so we have the traditional religion now we've got the ten commandments we've got
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the temple of apollo we've uh we've got the structure of society
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we're all we're all good little boys and girls we're all following the rules
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i mentioned slavery before slavery gets invented at the early mythic
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and it maintains itself as an institution during the mythic but it's primarily an institution
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Because mythic, we're getting everybody to follow the rules,
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and one of the rules is, if I'm going to hire you,
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Because if you don't do that, if you don't keep your promise,
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When you go to the early mythic, when you go to Achilles,
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in all of these societies that are transitioning
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Like, that's a far better institution than slavery.
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so mythic level this is the the early city-states are at this mythic level again
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the iliad the iliad is a play explaining the mythic level to the audience like this is why
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you got to follow the rules otherwise we're going to have endless wars that destroy everything
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The upper classes were expected to follow the rules without somebody holding a whip against them.
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This is the stage of the empires, of the Romans.
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Okay, so if the mythic stage, the subject is the rules.
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The rational stage is, well, what's the best form of the rules?
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Like, okay, we get that we all have to follow the rules.
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But which ones should they be? Should it be ten? Should it be eight?
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So the Romans go around, conquering everybody, and then integrating them.
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So previously you conquered people to enslave them and steal their stuff.
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The Romans conquered people to say, well, we kicked your butts, so you're part of Rome now,
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you're paying taxes to us and we like that you have a religion how about if we turn it into an
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organized religion you call him zeus cool we call him jupiter same thing you're gonna organize
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along our standards and we're gonna optimize everything and all the roads are gonna go back
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to Rome Nyangos star America brother we need to we need to hang out again it's
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been too long sounds like you've been watching form skates I have not what is
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that? Uh, post a link if you can. What number is the Justice Trump in the tarot? Does anybody
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remember up until... Master Mahan, we are going to be talking about the tarot in this
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stream, okay? All right, but let's finish off with these stages. So the Rational, the
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Rational is trying to take the rules of religion, but optimize the rules of religion.
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This starts leading into the Enlightenment, into the scientific project.
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The, if you think, right now in the West, we are primarily at the rational and plural, the bulk of the population.
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is mostly at the rational stage the despite what you're seeing on the streets the
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go and get your degree get a degree in something that's high in demand and you'll make a lot of
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money then you can buy a bunch of cars that's the rational that's the achievement right like
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should i become a plumber or should i study uh because should i get a phd in puppetry
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Well, no, you should get the engineering degree
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The mythic would say you gotta follow the rules.
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The pluralistic is when, okay, so we've done the rational.
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The pluralistic steps back and says, wait a minute.
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And, you know, maybe everybody's just playing their own game.
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Our new subject is, what game do I want to play?
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I don't have to value what everybody else values.
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Maybe I just want a huge collection of Funko Pops
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And then finally, on this chart right here, you get the integral stage.
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And this is where things start getting really crazy.
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This is where you start noticing that all of these things come in stages.
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The problem with the pluralistic stage is the pluralistic stage, it's very good at understanding others.
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Most anthropologists are likely at the pluralistic stage, which allows them to genuinely understand other cultures.
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Now, if you go to the rational businessman, or the mythic religious person, and you try and explain to them that the Ubuntu tribe over in Africa, they do things this way.
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The rational guy will say, well, that's stupid. They're not saving for their 401k.
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And the mythic will say, well, clearly they worship demons.
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while the pluralistic will understand that they've developed this adaptive strategy for existing
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but the pluralist won't notice that the ubuntu tribe is at the early mythic and they regularly
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genocide their neighbors they'll just ignore that part circumcised women they'll not notice any of
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that because because they've gone past the idea of having the biggest 401k they now think
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everything's equal it's not until you get to integral that you realize that the ubuntu tribe
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has very good reasons for doing what they're doing and it's an interesting study in early
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civilization but they're also a bunch of barbarians and that we want them to advance
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Well, either we want to cordon them off as a nature preservation, I don't know, or if we're going to integrate, we don't want to bring them over here and have them doing the same stuff they're doing over there.
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These are progressive stages that advance, and we, as individuals, all advance through them.
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So, Kohlberg's levels of moral development are all about this concept.
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Here, I think that's enough of the levels and states for now.
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You follow the rules either because you're going to get punished or because if you follow the rules, maybe you'll get a cookie.
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then you start realizing we need rules and regulations
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ascendant moral principles that bring beauty and excellence
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and this is part of the reason this stuff matters
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i'm sure you've all had the experience where you're talking to somebody
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and you're trying to explain to you it's a very basic moral principle
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even if you hate your boss you should get over yourself and play nice with people because then
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you'll get paychecks, and you can buy nice stuff. That's the basic reason all the stuff
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matters. The Negro Dancer said, my dad was a plumber, as am I. Hey, nothing wrong with
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being a plumber, okay? A very well-paid profession. But you shouldn't be forced into it, is
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more the point so those are the stages there's more stages above this they start getting really
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wacky okay and you can get more detailed about all the stages there's intermediate stages
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all of these are built off of a meta-analysis of all the different lines of of cognitive
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development right you've got like you've got an emotional line you've got a moral line you've got
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um but they all if you put them next to each other they all fit together they're not independent
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they're just different aspects of the same growth pattern
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is that everybody's perspective is valid, right?
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that you have to have respect for how everybody behaves.
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But it's a lot better than this lady acquired khaki bird legs at a nightclub in the 50s.
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The whole Bethesda Fallout series is all about making fun of that patriarchal stage five achievement indoctrination that was common in the 50s.
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Even though if you go back and watch some of those indoctrination videos, they're actually quite good.
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But they're very confident that we've got the best society ever because we've got 401ks.
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Well, a hippie movement comes along and gets to stage six.
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You get to 10% of the population believing something, it takes over the entire population.
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Stage six says everybody should live their best life.
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So stage seven is where we figure out that there are stages.
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Prophet Zombie, that's, uh, Prophet Zombie just posted a link here.
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Hopefully these comments, I can't remember whether or not the comments will appear in the permanent stream.
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um prophet zombie god copy just the last little bit of the the url and toss that in the comments
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i think it might have blocked the link oh geez it's on top chat is it is it live chat i'm sorry
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guys i i wasn't seeing all of your comments it defaults the top comment i want to see all the
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comments level seven is where we realize that people are growing through these stages and that
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somebody at level three does should not be entrusted with the full range of social power
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top comments is a lie it is a lie yeah i just copy the uh like the the uh alphanumeric signature
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at the end of the video like watch equals just copy the last bit toss that in there people can
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find it all right so that's uh that's a review of the structures there are higher structures
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So, PsychoMath has developed an AI that you converse with it to find out what stage you're at, what level.
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I haven't taken the test yet. I've been meaning to. I haven't done it yet.
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What if we were to implement, if you want to vote, for example, you have to achieve this score on the test.
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now you might worry that well what if people just studied and faked the test here's the best part
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here's the really good news when you study this stuff you actually advance in levels you can't
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cheat on it like when you try and cheat you actually just become a more competent human
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being that the higher you are up in the levels it does get lonely when you're one of the few
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When everybody else is at level three, and they're all trying to show their ass to one another and fight with one another,
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But at high level, you're going to be a lot more effective in life.
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You're going to be better at achieving your ends.
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The more people we get to higher levels, the better society becomes.
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And if people had to fake being at high level, you can't fake it.
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You literally become high level when you try and pretend to be high level.
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High level of thinking about your role in society and how you engage with social structures.
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So I'm going to put it back on screen for a sec.
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so the magic level is where is where you don't think about why anything is like you don't think
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like your parents are just your parents they're not good parents they're not bad parents they're
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just your parents you never question it the early mythic is where you become aware of of things
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being good or bad or things being or things being separate from yourself mythic is traditional
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religion where you become aware that there's rules that we should all follow the baker should
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bake bread the plumber should do plumbing the king should do this the priest should do that
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there's all these rules you better follow the rules because we need the rules for a civilization
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the rational is where you realize that the rules
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the rules are somewhat arbitrary we could have lots of different rules
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the pluralistic you realize I'm a unique individual
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and the integral is where you realize that these are progressive rules
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that we are growing over time with all of this stuff
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and there's a part of us that exists at every level
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at every moment in the day there's a part of you that is basic power drives
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sex and violence put it simply there's a part of you that has rules that you follow you're you're
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you're a law-abiding citizen there's the rational part trying to achieve as much as you can
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There's the pluralistic part where you're a unique snowflake and you're trying to find,
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And then there's the integral level where you're trying to fix all the problems.
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um his shorter videos are about dating if you don't like those you should still give his longer
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videos a chance because these ones are very interesting all right now let's talk about
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i'm gonna try and be quick with this one the quadrants are the four perspectives that exist
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for this, unfortunately, so you're going to have to imagine it.
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there's a really good video again by psychomath where he breaks down
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a date that went right he spends like 40 minutes breaking down a date that a girl
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complained about on tiktok because she was fat but her photos hit that fact and the guy met her
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on the date and then immediately walked away and like he canceled the date and said honestly it's
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because you're fat and he spent like 20 or 40 minutes explaining what the hell happened here
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using the four quadrants and assigning blame to people.
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So the four quadrants are, there's, I'm trying to do it for you guys.
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There's my internal self, my feelings, my knowledge, my skills, et cetera.
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over here you have my body my actions in the world what did i say what did i do what where do i spend
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my money do i invest it do i buy star wars toys with it right that's that's individual physical
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or sorry that yeah individual physical then we have the plural mental is culture
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what does our culture say about certain things what does it believe about things
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so i've got i've got my internal beliefs but then there's the cultural beliefs so maybe there's
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something i like but it's culturally taboo and so if i well and then there's cultural institutions
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so there's something i like but it's culturally taboo
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so if i talk about it you gotta go to jail mate i love big brother
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Ken Wilber points out one of the biggest problems we have
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So when somebody says skill issue, brah, it's a skill issue, brah.
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You're poor because you got a useless degree.
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Okay, but what if I got a useless degree, but nobody is hiring me?
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Well, is that it could be institutional oppression.
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People are prone to picking one of the four quadrants
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when every problem is going to exist on all four quadrants.
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That's the aspect that PsychoMath likes to talk about.
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He likes to talk about the practical application of things
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And he's trying to communicate to the atheists.
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I'm not. I'm trying to communicate to the schizoids.
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I'm planning to write a really long essay on this, which means I'm not fully prepared to talk about it.
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We're going to be talking about semiotics and ontological proof of God, and we're going to do it really quick and dirty.
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So, and I'm totally stealing this from Ken Wilber.
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So, let me, this is, yeah, okay, that's, that's the, that's the upper left for you guys. I'm going to flip everything in my brain. Semiotics is the study of signs and symbols and language, okay?
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So when you say the word dog, there's the signified and the signifier.
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The signified is the conception of dog, which is internal.
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The I, the internal singular, is the signified.
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And when I say dog, it activates the signified inside of you.
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I say dog, you've got the image of dog, which is very, very close to mine.
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The signifier in semiotics is the individual outside world, which is dogs in the world, or railways, or the sky, or whatever you're, the signified is the mental concept, signifier is the external concept.
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customer relations, because the semantics, the culture surrounding the signified.
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And then, instead of institutions, lower left, we've got syntax, the rules of grammar.
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He does a radio novella about a private eye that fights vampires.
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all right so to reiterate when it comes to language when it comes to semiotics
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we've got the word dog it's got an internal state for us it's got an external oh look there's a dog
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And it's got a syntax as to how it has to be used in language.
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The dog has its external actions, usually trying to dig a hole under the fence.
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The dog exists in a cultural context with other dogs, or as part of a human family.
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And it exists in an institutional other reality, which is the laws of evolution, the laws of the environment.
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And so you've got these four quadrants on the one side of semiotics, talking about dogs, us humans talking about dogs.
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And they've got dogs over here with their own four quadrants of existence.
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Where do these two sets of four quadrants connect?
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the existence of the things in and of themselves
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of on the one hand we have language talking about things
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One of the demigods that lived about 3,000 years ago.
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Most of our modern understanding of reality derived from this.
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During the Enlightenment, when they really started embracing the teachings of Hermes.
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It's named after the man, because he was that smart.
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Two, the principle of correspondence is above, so below.
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Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates.
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We've got the four quadrants of language of the word dog.
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And then we have the four quadrants of dog existing.
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And by the way, if this hyperspace didn't exist, if there was not a divine conduit, like a magnet, with its magnetic fields, connecting epistemology and ontology, if this universe was purely material, you might still have things like evolution, right?
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You might have really complex maximizers seeking to reproduce, but communication would be completely impossible.
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If material evolution were all that was true, your subjective internal experience would have zero correlation to reality.
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Your internal subjective experience would be optimized to maximize the number of genes you express.
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We have the same emotions as the other animals.
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Sometimes we don't understand the other animals.
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Okay, so that's all I'm going to be saying about the quadrants.
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I want to talk about the quadrants so that you understand.
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The quadrants are a very useful metric for examining problems in your life.
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Like, if you can't meet a girl, to steal from PsychoMath, is it because, skill issue brah, you're just not very charismatic?
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Could it be that you have really bad pickup lines?
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could it be that you're in a culture that is hostile to dating like uh for example if you if
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you went over if you went to india and let's pretend everybody in india has an arranged
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marriage and you try and date girls well you're not going to find any dates because everybody's
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doing an arranged marriage as a cultural issue or is it a structural issue that there are certain
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legal requirements to date or or you live in a place where there aren't any bars and so you
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can't meet any girls at the bar because there aren't any bars as a structural there's that
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aspect of the four quadrants, but the four quadrants are so much more than merely a way
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to analyze problems in your life. They're actually foundational to reality itself.
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And that said, I think we're finally ready to get to the crazy part, but first I need
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to go to the washroom. Give me 30 seconds of maybe 45.
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Alrighty, I apologize for the delay, due to the nature of fluid dynamics, all mammals
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on the planet can empty their bladder in seven seconds, except for Italians, we take nine.
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oh geez this is master mayhem project we are gonna have to talk about that
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i don't want to get there's so many rabbit trails i could get lost on we are gonna have to talk
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If you're a caveman, you're not really going to grow that much
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to the highest stage of complex moral reasoning
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you might only get to level four, which is follow the rules.
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There's a lot of working class jobs that are built around the idea of guys
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that can't really think more complexly than just follow the rules.
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So you give them a schedule, you give them a route, and they do it reliably every day.
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And that's as high as they can ascend due to IQ limitations, essentially.
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but once you but you will be pushed society pushes you to get to the highest stage you can
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wilbur calls this growing up right like when you're a teenager we all want to be the guy in charge
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but you got to grow up you got to learn to play with other people got to play nice
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that's the stages stages are learning to play nice the stages are even if the cop giving you
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a speeding ticket is being a real douchebag about it somebody at a high stage is going to still be
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polite because there's no profit in being rude to a cop it doesn't help you being rude to a cop
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Achilles was a great warrior, but he was not very high level.
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Again, the Iliad is all about Achilles going from level three to level four.
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And this is where shit's going to get weird.
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Just an hour and 20 minutes into the live stream.
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And, listen, when it comes to the stages, this isn't a bragging thing.
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I'm easily, I was at level seven a long time ago.
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So, the waking up is spirituality, is becoming aware of what consciousness is, of what God is.
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tempted to debate whether or not they actually exist right especially if you have kids if you
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have kids then you've seen it firsthand what these stages are all about
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david jones you just got here for the good part
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these states of consciousness that we're going to get into which is the waking up
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is that you're forced to grow up through stages.
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but states to become aware of what awareness is of what perception is is not required
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so this is the part where we get weird and we start talking about actual psychic powers
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just because I know I got some esoteric motherfuckers
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that's why I was talking about the four quadrants
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is the default reality we all wind up in, right?
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if you think about somebody talking with the gods
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i completely believe that christ came back from the dead
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like i am more certain that he died and came back than i am about the earth being a globe
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i also think that any of us could do the exact same thing
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At the very upper limit is where the watchers exist.
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The titans, the frost giants, the foundational building blocks of reality, time, space, entropy.
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they exist at the point where parallel lines meet
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But, level two is where you realize, I am not my body.
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I'm observing Achilles having Ares descend upon him.
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And I can look at where the thoughts came from.
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perhaps a a time it's usually negative isn't it a time i made a fool of myself
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but why am i why am i thinking that i'm thinking that because i made a fool of myself one time
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oh goodness this is where it starts really getting weird
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layer two okay and we got three more layers to go
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that's still level 2 but it's getting pretty close
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by the way i was going to mention level 1.5 physical etheric astral etheric is the realm
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of vibration it's music it's vibe it's right in between like the astral is idea space
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right like uh the mass formation of a mob is something happening on the astral
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whereas burning down the parliament building happens on the physical
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and the etheric is the vibe realms music is there music is partly physical partly astral
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if you if you walk into the room and you feel the vibe of the place that's the etheric which is the
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object of the soul the soul is watching the ego is looking at the ego that feels
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things that has thought that has opinions so when does the soul become
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exist on level 2. All of those mental constructs,
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despite what the Marvel movies would have you believe.
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that exists, like the fractal abyss that exists in eyes
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enter that dark night of the soul. You enter that abyss. Layer
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comforting darkness. This darkness that's just full of lights.
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In Futurama, when Fry bought 100 cups of coffee,
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and he hits that moment of perfect Zen non-dual awareness
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and saves everybody from the fire without thinking about it because he is all.
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So, these are the major arcana of the tarot deck.
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It starts with the pool, which is labeled zero.
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Now, there's a really fancy word I want to use here.
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Yes, the major arcana of the tarot break down into three septenaries.
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Part of your job, the early, the first stage in being a mystic in religion is getting a grip on yourself.
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is taking all of these drives, all of these urges, all these emotions that are like this multitude of beings within you
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and strapping them all together into a coherent whole.
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So the first septenary, the top row, is all about the gross physical realm.
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So, the magician, who has mastered all four elements, the masculine principle of mastery, mastering the physical world.
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Then you've got the high priestess, the intuitive half.
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This is managing the emotions, the polarities, the holistic.
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You've got the left brain, then you've got the right brain.
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It's the social context within which we all exist.
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So if she is the we culture from the four quadrants, actually, literally, the first four cards of the tarot are the I, individual, and the I, no, no, sorry.
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It's actually I-environment, mastering the environment, and then the I-individual, mastering the emotions.
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And the next card is the we-culture, followed by the we-institutions.
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The self-love of differentiation, the lower love of integration, the upper love of participation, and the horizontal love of combination.
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Guess what? The last three, they fit this as well.
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So, first two are the integrative love, being an individual.
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The second two are becoming, are integrating the lower.
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Then you get the Hierophant integrating the higher, right?
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And then the Lovers is the Horizontal, finishing with the Chariot.
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stage two uh sorry what did i call those things septenary the second septenary
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of the tarot card is when you leave the gross physical and you enter the astral the subtle realm
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so we start off with strength strength is a really interesting card because what is it
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Is justice just that we've got to split the bill on the pizza?
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Is there this higher self that we need to be pursuing?
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The card of change, the card of preceded by sacrifice, is the cost.
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the the interesting thing about the devil card is that it's not an evil it's actually kind of a
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beyond good and evil card like the two the the two that the imp and the impess with the chains
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around their neck the chains are loose enough they could take them off they are voluntarily
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depending upon the context the devil is one of the least evil cards like every other card is
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part of the process but if you get the devil in some context it's like you know exactly what
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you're doing followed by the tower and no it's like these are the only two black cards
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which also goes the black of the causal the infinite void of the causal the infinite
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potentiality the tower the surface reading is all plans coming to ruination
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but notice two things first of all who are the two figures falling out of the tower
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so the first two cards of that third row that's level three
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infinite possibility it's the most fun you'll ever have man being in a tower being a slave to
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You've got the wolf and the dog and even a creepy crawly from the depths, from the subconscious, all coming up to worship the moon, to understand this higher calling.
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And then you've got the sun, you've got Christ riding upon a horseback.
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where there was a small woman that was, she was too small to make it across the river.
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The first monk, holding true to his vows to never touch a woman, ignored her and walked across the river.
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The second monk put her on his shoulders, walked across the river and put her down.
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Sometime later, the two monks were still walking.
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And the first monk said, brother, why did you touch that woman?
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The second monk said, my brother, I put her down miles ago.
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In the eternal present, do you still carry the sins of the past?
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Do you accept forgiveness, or do you carry the past?
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What an interesting name for a card about liberation.
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Judgment and liberation, two sides of the same coin.
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A monk went to the great master and said, Master, why, why did the Buddha come east to China?
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Alright, now let's catch up with some of these comments.
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oh boy it's going on for a little bit there wasn't I
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There we go, all the gods, aren't you Catholic?
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Right, which is something I need to tie this together with.
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Okay, so they aren't human, says gods, meaning angels and demons, I'm guessing.
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yes that's the interesting thing about the astral
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you can look up or you can look down in the astral
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Three to four is right about when you're hitting puberty.
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So, number one, you're getting all of these new instincts coming online.
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At the same time, you have these new rules coming online.
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It creates a lot of either you push something away and you bury it,
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have become obsessed over a lot of sexual instincts.
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As opposed to integrating them and putting them in their proper place.
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you shouldn't stay you want to get to five because when you get to five you're still at three
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okay and by the way i'm not saying i've glimpsed five i think i think i'm not quite sure
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when you can find bliss in doing your job every day
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oh i just turned out well i guess that's part of the reason i wanted to bring up the tarot cards
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and and star wars right like star wars episode one you start off with luke skywalker is a kind
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of a dink but by the end he blows up the death star which is completely the chariot
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at the end of that star wars episode two he's he's he's forced into this or sorry episode uh
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five he's forced in this deep interest introspective journey where he screws everything up
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right he meets uh he's got strength that he needs to control he meets the hermit on dagobah
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he's got the wheel of time he's got the justice he gets initiated he meets death and then finally
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at the end he finds temperance like this this brokenhearted like i'm wise but it hurts he's
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really tapping into something with these movies
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likes the second movie more than the third, I think it's largely
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because the third is a little bit too esoteric.
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esoteric. That you're kind of like, oh, it's not just about lightsabers,
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you know i'm a brief brief comment a lot of people
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the emperor's always going to be there like the emperor is the cops are a dick
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like red light cameras like the cops are always going to be a dick for as long as humans exist
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on this planet cops are going to be dicks the empress is women are all bitches man
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get good. Card number two, sort out your emotions. Card number three, figure out how to get along
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with others. Card number four, figure out how to not get caught. And after you figure those four
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things out, once you master the four quadrants, then you get to the hierophant. What is the higher
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purpose in life? You get to the higher purpose, you find a lover, and then finally you master
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Master Mahan and I are going to be doing a podcast
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imperial chinese jay magic crystal bullshit the chinese figure it out listen to ebay auctions
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not blue-haired women uh word i can't say is trash says i like to watch the cows outside the window
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at work they just like me they are they totally are man we're all just these funnels of perception
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I didn't expect your channel to get reinstated.
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Start falling after I found Roosh nine years ago.
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I know that we're getting serious into Eastern Orthodox Christianity
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I'd really like to shake his hand someday, you know?
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Why waste your time with this nonsense instead of achieving enlightenment?
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Because that's what you do after you achieve enlightenment.
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When Luke Skywalker transcends the Emperor, redeems his father, and sees the Force ghosts,
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They aren't humans as eternal bliss is its own type of hell.
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Yeah, they, the, that's one of the, there's a lot of pitfalls on this journey, and one
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I mean, if eternal bliss were the purpose, then the Garden of Eden.
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Enlightened physical deniers when I eat the entire pizza by myself.
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necrodancer says please pray for six hex and hammer he is dying he may be a pirate vampire
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wizard but jesus bless his heart uh i haven't kept up with him you know for a pirate vampire wizard
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i will pray for him i i will pray for his health and and his his well-being and
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any of you folks out there you know toss your prayers into it too
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he's never done any evil to me he's never done any evil to anybody as far as i can tell
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in fact i say he's done a fair bit of good despite being an itchy boy
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master mahan says we kind of stumbled ourselves into the same idea from both directions yes
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absolutely everything i'm talking about in this stream is from all directions it's it's literally
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from all directions this is not like my opinion man this is when you talk to mystics throughout
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the world this is what you find this is the map um that there are do angels are are angels made of
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multiples concentric circles of eyeballs or is it a dude with 10 000 arms okay the the hindus
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Okay, let's get to the last part of this live stream, which is, why does any of this matter?
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The first part I already touched on, which was, as you go up in stages, states are the waking up, stages are the growing up.
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The more grown up you act, the more responsible, the better your life is.
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If you pay your bills on time, you'll get a good credit rating, and then you can get a new car for cheap, okay?
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the unique dissociation between the West and the East, as well as some of the most
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enlightened in the West are the least religious.
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And yet they're at the highest levels of waking up.
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so right here uh we we talked about the growing up the growing up is the y-axis
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the the magic like the the baby the baby that thinks mommy could turn the brussels sprouts
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into chocolate if she wanted to because she's magic to the the integral which is the really
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i hope i have a few heathens listening to this i have a lot of respect for heathens
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i don't condemn them one thing i'd like to emphasize
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is that the christ of the old testament which it's not exactly it's not a videotape for crying
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out loud okay it's it's a document written 2 000 years ago written by people with a bias
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but despite that bias christ is a very smart character he's a very high iq character
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the pharisees constantly try and trap him in logical conundrums and he finds a sneaky
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smart way out every single time this woman is committed adultery oh yeah
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what he who is without sin cast the first stone
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should we pay taxes to Caesar or not whose faces on those coins Caesar well
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And despite being at a stage four mythic, racist, patriarchal civilization in a world that was racist and patriarchal,
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he's radically not that, even if his kind of default state is that.
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And yet, the Western church was institutionalized.
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Creating a very interesting opposite scenario in Europe.
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And so it got everybody up to the mythic stage.
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However, on the state stage, on the waking up stage, we actually got real, true mysticism.
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where, although Christ was a high-level mystic,
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that, well, actually, Buddha didn't spend 30 days
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and our Christian mystics have tended to be very upsetting to Christianity
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because they tend to come to the conclusion that all of us are Jesus Christ.
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it's because we've got a bronze age religion
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for a society that's just about to hit integral levels
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and it's it's so damn difficult to be believe in the christianity that we have
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because it's a very, very primitive Christianity,
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and so many of the archaeologists, the geologists,
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they were studying Christianity in an attempt to prove it true.
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They believed that we could apply scientific reason to make the Bible true.
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You know what, let me bring up one more reason why this matters.
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I'm listening to the audio book I'm thinking about
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to love big brother that guy i am trying to suss out what's going on with that guy and
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i had a flash of insight that i don't completely comprehend and i'm not certain it's correct but
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like fundamentally he's a really good person.
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except because he's so locked in at level four,
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that our spiritual understanding in the West
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All right, let me check some of these arguments, these comments.
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What I think is strange that my Protestant family refused to even try to understand my ways and my beliefs,
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whereas I, myself, am more Russian, Serbian, not Earth.
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which is even worse, because they can do some serious damage,
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No, do this, don't do that, or else we hit you with a stick.
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Which, if the child has not grown to fourth stage morality by the time they ought to have,
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So, part of the problem is that we built such good control structures that were meant for the people below that, and we started applying them to the people above that.
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But yeah, there's a big problem of level 4 having such a strong center of gravity
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that drags people back from level 5 into level 4.
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it's waking up to the nature of consciousness itself
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incredible bliss that you feel the so i spent the past three weeks
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just over three weeks actually working night shift
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for boss that was kind of a dick but actually the reason he was kind of a dick
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How about you don't make excuses, and how about you just do the fucking thing?
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And then the guy that was a real dick, turned out he liked me.
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And holy shit, I just went through some major personal growth.
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And then a few more weeks, and so I'm on these night shifts.
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I mean, like, dealt away brain patterns the whole time, barely sleeping, listened to audiobooks, internalizing, rewriting my own code, learning to perceive time as an internal present.
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off night shift um i kind of want to be sleeping but i i wanted to do a podcast for you guys and
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i've got work to do tomorrow like that's that's the worst part like i'm just feeling fantastic
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right now not only was i getting paid quite well for three weeks i did immense personal
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intellectual and spiritual growth during those three weeks that's why that's why it's worth it
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is because I could have had a shitty, awful three weeks.
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I'm out in the cold, my feet hurt, my boss is a dick,
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But instead I feel like I went through like five years of transformation.
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into closer to, like, the true self that I want to be.
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It's because you will like yourself more on the other side.
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Applied transformation of reality, my brothers.
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Gordy George says, I'd argue that render to Caesar
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And so then I started arguing with the AI that actually Christ was at the mythic level of spirituality.
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And it made some pretty convincing arguments that no, he wasn't.
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War of the Worlds is a story where Martians invade Earth
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completely inspired by the discovery of viruses
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It was completely inspired by the understanding of how disease worked at the beginning of the 20th century.
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And it was also completely inspired with guilty reflections upon European colonialism.
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To such a point that if you make the movie nowadays, it's kind of silly.
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Sort of like how in the original Spider-Man narrative, it was gamma radiation
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that turned the spider into a magic spider that bit him and turned him into Spider-Man.
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Whereas in the movie I saw 20 years ago, instead of gamma radiation, it was genetic science.
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but all of these religions that appear during the Axial Age,
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i i'm i'm speaking to the heathens here so you guys know i don't hate you
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i've been criticizing the church this whole stream for crying out loud
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these were profound statements and the heathens were making the same statements there there was
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which is the fourth turning which is not the same
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we must encourage the Buddha nature in all beings.
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On the one hand, you will find that so many of these things that strike you as pleasurable, they're like candy bars when you were a kid, right?
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Like, honestly, I would genuinely prefer, like, a tasty steak dinner or, like, chicken veggies to a shitty candy bar as an adult.
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Like, I genuinely prefer that most of the time.
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It doesn't mean I've renounced the pleasure of tasty food.
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Like, it's still really, really good when I make chili.
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It's so much better than the candy bar was when I was a kid.
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Like, there might be some nostalgia for the simplicity of that flavor.
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So these are genuine advancements that we're undergoing.
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now let me catch up with some more comments here oh wait
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all right that was goy destroyer asking why should we grow up
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It's about putting the lower level in a better place.
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Another metaphor would be kids on Halloween gorging themselves on shitty chocolate until they have a stomachache.
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Versus adults having a nightcap of chocolate.
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I'm really liking this stuff, I don't really get it
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Brother, that's exactly how I felt reading this book
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Part of the reason I wanted to do the live stream
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was to force myself to understand it well enough
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So if you're not understanding it, that's okay.
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is because I had a major imbalance at the mythic level.
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So, I was pretty darn good at the rational level.
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Why? Like, that's only idiots commit crimes.
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somebody at the rational level is less likely to commit crime
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Like, somebody at the Mythic might get into a bar fight and go to jail over that because of preserving their honor.
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While somebody at the Rational would say, you know what, this ain't worth my time.
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I'm not doing that. I don't care what you think about my honor.
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and realized, you know what, I am not better than morality
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that needed the discipline of traditional morality
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You don't want to be a cafeteria Christian
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So, it's pretty evident that I am somewhat of a heterodox Catholic at this point, but I'm forced to acknowledge that.
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whereas when it comes to Latin I speak the damn language
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I have no idea what that's in response to, but...
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from it and went into seclusion as a hermit
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So if there are lessons to be learned from his sin, then let us learn those lessons.
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If there was a great evil committed, then perhaps execution is the correct procedure.
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if somebody wants to express their spiritual struggles to me
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matwell says 35 year old 35 years of age and enlisting to the army i have an environmental
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science degree no criminal record ship in four weeks am i making a mistake
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You're having a fucking experience, my friend.
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shit 35 2 god damn that you're not making a mistake
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it would be so god damn easy to just do it brother go with that
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you know when you're on a roller coaster and it's like it's it's oh click click click click
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Worst case scenario, it's going to be interesting.
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Okay, wait, wait, okay, so Gord Destroyer says, I'm asking why to get a coherent answer other
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Going to the next level makes the game more interesting.
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It's not a very nice game, even if winning is awesome.
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with other scholastics we would not have had the austria austrian school of economics
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although i'm a pagan i have yet to observe libertarianism similarly develop
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in non-western civilizations it's difficult to share that observation with non-christians
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without coming across as thundered for jeez yeah which is what i'm trying to do
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with with this stream all the comments just disappeared on me
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oh all right what happens to i reload the tab can i reload the comments
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yeah i've seen a few arguments between friends of mine
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All of these esoteric concepts we have of pre-market capitalism
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who were obsessively analyzing a mythic level of Jesus Christ.
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Well, Jesus Christ himself was, we have strong evidence to believe the guy was a serious mystic, if nothing else.
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And this weird imbalance between waking up and growing up created the whole scholastic discipline.
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Our disagreements should be honorable and respectful.
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Some genuine empathy and sympathy from our highest level members, that's a good idea.
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I'm asking if you can provide epistemic justification, perhaps.
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Still unsure in knocking ideas around the next layer.
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that's actually a perfect fucking place to end things
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