Leo D.M.J. Aurini - SATW Livestream 2026-01-18 - Discussing Ken Wilber's ＂The Religion of Tomorrow＂

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00:01:24.620 So, welcome to the stream. I'm going to be discussing Ken Wilber's book, The Religion of the Future.

00:01:35.600 Spoiler warning, The Religion of the Future is all the ones we already have.

00:01:40.780 so it's nothing uh too crazy or frightening say well it's pretty crazy but it's not that

00:01:50.100 frightening what he's talking about it's actually quite optimistic and exciting

00:01:54.640 so let's get back to the tab here i've decided to do this as a live stream

00:02:00.780 i was trying to figure out how to make this video and i think live stream is the optimal way to do

00:02:07.800 it, because that way, if I'm not clear about anything, or if there's stuff that you guys

00:02:13.440 need more clarification of, you can ask me in the comments.

00:02:17.480 But I do have a bit of a layout for how I'm going to be doing this.

00:02:23.280 First of all, introducing the entire topic.

00:02:26.340 Second, we're going to hit the structures of consciousness.

00:02:32.120 You guys have all probably heard of Psycho Man.

00:02:36.080 He's the guy that uses, to quote him, uses Ken Wilber's theory to complain about modern dating with great precision.

00:02:45.920 Which is just a fantastic self-description.

00:02:49.200 This is what he mainly focuses on, is the structures of consciousness.

00:02:54.100 Next I'll be talking about the quadrants.

00:02:58.020 Finally, the states.

00:02:59.720 And this is where it gets really weird.

00:03:02.180 This is going to be the challenging part for myself, but I think I've got it.

00:03:08.400 And I'm going to finish off by talking about why any of this matters.

00:03:12.300 Okay?

00:03:12.700 Like, is this more than just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

00:03:18.360 It absolutely is.

00:03:20.120 The consequences of everything that's happening right now are profound.

00:03:28.040 Everything is about to change.

00:03:31.700 And, yeah, but we'll save that until we get there.

00:03:38.300 First, I should start off by introducing myself a little bit.

00:03:43.680 So, I've been interested in developmental psychology from the youngest age.

00:03:49.760 Interested in understanding what the mind is, how the mind works, what rationality is,

00:03:55.180 how we integrate with the universe, how we ought to be living our lives.

00:03:59.320 These are things, these are questions that have possessed me for the longest time.

00:04:07.300 Why are you not...

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00:04:14.700 You know, I'm going to switch over.

00:04:21.560 Mitch Crane says he's nervous and excited for the future at the same time.

00:04:24.700 Yeah.

00:04:25.280 That is a good way to put it.

00:04:26.780 All right, I'm going to click over to the, rather than the stream window, I'm on the YouTube window now, so I'm going to scroll down a bit so my out of sync by three second face doesn't distract me.

00:04:41.560 so yes i've been interested in all of this for a very long time um but i didn't know about ken

00:04:51.960 wilbur until psychomath started posting uh so huge thanks to him for making me aware of it

00:04:58.560 i think part of the issue is that ken wilbur his theory he calls it integral theory which

00:05:07.640 to me sounds like calculus so i might have brushed over it not realizing what it was and he also

00:05:14.840 talks about a fourth turning in buddhism which is not at all the same thing as the fourth turning

00:05:20.380 in the strauss how generational cycle theory he does comment in the book that we really lack the

00:05:27.600 language for a lot of these higher states like we're kind of forced to use metaphors to describe

00:05:32.500 all of them. Because these are new layers of consciousness that we're

00:05:36.500 achieving as a species. To use a metaphor

00:05:40.600 for this, I read a science fiction

00:05:44.420 novel once where I read something

00:05:47.600 that was about cavemen. And in the cavemen

00:05:52.680 society, nobody had names because you didn't need a name.

00:05:56.980 Your name was your job. Your name was mother, brother,

00:05:59.960 grandpa you know spear chucker whatever it might be you didn't need a name as a caveman because

00:06:07.480 there weren't so many people that you needed names and we're kind of hitting the same sort

00:06:12.560 of thing with these layers of consciousness uh so yeah this is something i've been very

00:06:18.940 interested in for a long time just recently discovered like past couple years discovered

00:06:23.720 Ken Wilber's work. I've been digging deep into him. I'm also a bit of a mystic. I'm

00:06:31.500 highly, highly skeptical of most claims. I take a very cutting, rational approach to

00:06:42.800 anything on the fringes. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in things on the fringes.

00:06:48.300 I'm pretty convinced that astrology is true, that there is strong evidence for psychic ability,

00:06:56.620 and I've had enough experiences myself that, yes, psychic ability is a real thing.

00:07:04.040 UFOs, I've got no idea about.

00:07:06.340 Flat Earth, I'm 99.9%.

00:07:08.720 I haven't gone out of my way to disprove it personally, but I got a degree in geographic information systems.

00:07:16.560 If they faked all of that, like, why?

00:07:21.420 And even paranormal experiences I've had, most of them could be sleep deprivation, could be optical illusion.

00:07:35.380 I take note of them, but I'm not sure about most of them.

00:07:40.880 So I tend to have a very cutting intellect with all of this.

00:07:44.200 I don't just believe anything that comes across my table, but I'm also not closed-minded.

00:07:50.820 I don't effing love science. I love ideas. I love exploring consciousness.

00:07:59.780 So, I explain all of that because there may be a lot of new watchers for this video because of the topic.

00:08:09.400 um and so if you don't know me and if you look up my name you're going to hear a lot of people

00:08:15.340 very angry about me because part of being rational for the past 20 years is noticing that society has

00:08:24.640 been leading up to this mass formation that it's been going nuts and it's mostly been going nuts

00:08:31.680 on the left so yeah lots of radical lefties that think i'm the second coming of mustache man

00:08:38.280 which, you know, normally I have a goatee

00:08:40.920 but it just got back from a long work

00:08:43.060 tasking, so you only get the upper half

00:08:45.020 of it right now

00:08:45.720 no I'm not, I'm not even particularly

00:08:48.900 conservative, it's

00:08:51.120 just that the left has been

00:08:53.260 Looney Tunes

00:08:54.180 whereas the right is only like 30% Looney Tunes

00:08:57.420 so

00:08:58.180 that makes me a radical right winger

00:09:00.900 now, that said

00:09:06.820 Let's talk about Ken Wilber for a second.

00:09:11.640 The best metaphor I could give for this book, which I absolutely love because of how analytical it is.

00:09:20.020 The best metaphor I can give for it is imagine one of those medieval travel logs.

00:09:27.280 Okay, like the journeys of Marco Polo.

00:09:29.620 during the medieval era there was a lot of these explorers that would write in their journals

00:09:39.300 about finding the country of the dog-headed people and there were frequent debates there

00:09:46.420 there were theological debates in medieval europe as to whether or not the dog-headed people could

00:09:52.560 receive baptism right that people believe these dog-headed people actually exists

00:09:58.080 existed and were

00:10:00.040 worthy of debate.

00:10:02.800 So a lot of these

00:10:04.120 journals, they're

00:10:05.140 true exploration accounts, and yet they're

00:10:08.020 filled with the weirdest stuff at the same time.

00:10:10.780 Dog-headed people, people with

00:10:12.120 their faces on their stomachs,

00:10:14.160 all sorts of wild

00:10:16.100 stuff.

00:10:20.780 Ken Wilber's book

00:10:21.720 is like reading one

00:10:24.160 of these

00:10:24.620 and ken wilbur will briefly casually mention oh yes and this is the land of the dog-headed people

00:10:34.680 anyway back to geographical coordinate systems

00:10:38.780 it's fantastic like there's a few places in the book where he makes where he says uh and by the

00:10:48.400 way if you master this skill you get to choose which body you get to reincarnate to anyway back

00:10:53.200 on to all the psychology

00:10:54.560 so yes

00:10:59.160 we are actually talking about psychic abilities

00:11:01.180 which

00:11:02.180 which are proven by the nature of

00:11:09.120 existence itself

00:11:11.200 it's not quite as crazy

00:11:15.280 as it all sounds

00:11:16.460 and yet he stays away from most

00:11:19.320 of that like this is all

00:11:20.680 this is psychology

00:11:22.280 this is the way the universe works

00:11:25.980 you know like the double slit experiment

00:11:31.400 in quantum mechanics you know they call it the observer effect

00:11:34.220 it actually has nothing to do with observation

00:11:36.860 I know a lot of people say oh look

00:11:40.720 if you observe the particle, okay that's not what it is

00:11:44.120 it's if you collapse the waveform the particle behaves one way

00:11:47.540 if you don't it behaves another way

00:11:49.360 It has nothing to do with observation.

00:11:51.740 I wish it did.

00:11:53.120 I wish it did.

00:11:54.180 It's a good metaphor.

00:11:56.940 But there's actually no observation there.

00:12:00.740 And yet it's pointing out something really spooky about the universe.

00:12:06.760 It's not observation.

00:12:09.220 Okay?

00:12:09.520 It doesn't...

00:12:10.640 The observer effect doesn't prove psychic ability.

00:12:12.900 It doesn't prove that we have souls.

00:12:14.500 That's not what it is.

00:12:16.700 It's misinterpreted all the time.

00:12:17.880 but it does prove that the universe is really, really spooky.

00:12:23.860 And it's the same thing with all of this.

00:12:25.780 If you're still existing in the Newtonian billiard ball version of reality,

00:12:32.720 well, like, that hasn't been, that's been thoroughly discredited, like, a century ago.

00:12:41.480 But, you know, don't take my word for it.

00:12:44.420 so let me let me see some of these comments here

00:12:49.520 master mahan podcast oh hey man good to have you good to have you yeah we're gonna do a podcast

00:13:01.700 soon

00:13:02.560 pandora's box oh man i could i'm not i'm not gonna get into that not touching pandora's box tonight

00:13:11.320 There's too much to cover.

00:13:14.940 Tonight's whiskey is, I went to the store, and it was the 10% off day,

00:13:20.640 so I got two frickin' liters of Wisers.

00:13:25.440 That should last me three or four days.

00:13:29.160 Serena, glad to have you.

00:13:33.360 Anton LaVey, no, I'm his evil twin.

00:13:36.500 The one that's actually a Catholic.

00:13:41.320 Oh, man, we're not going to get into GATE, aside from GATE is real, the CIA has proved that the afterlife exists, the documentation's been released on that, they proved, they scientifically proved that there's an afterlife.

00:13:59.640 And then buried it for 20 years because they were trying to spy on the Russians.

00:14:04.060 Welcome to modernity.

00:14:11.320 Necrodancer comments, psychic shit is annoying, seeing too much you didn't ask for.

00:14:17.440 I had an ex like that.

00:14:22.980 Well, you know what, maybe some of this will be useful for that.

00:14:27.780 Anyway, let's...

00:14:30.280 That's the introduction.

00:14:32.160 Ken Wilber, highly advanced mystic and scientist, who absolutely definitely has psychic abilities and visions,

00:14:42.660 but he keeps it out of his books because his books are purely analytical, right?

00:14:48.980 It's like he's, imagine Christopher Columbus had a vision from God telling him to go west to the new world.

00:14:59.160 There's a guy that wrote Ender's Game, wrote a novel about that concept, by the way.

00:15:06.540 The Redemption of Columbus, great book.

00:15:09.120 So imagine Christopher Columbus had a vision from God telling him to go west.

00:15:15.440 And he briefly mentions this in his journal, and the rest of it is nothing but science of navigation.

00:15:21.080 That's kind of what Ken Wilber's doing.

00:15:22.960 so with that said let's jump on to point number two the structures of consciousness

00:15:33.380 this is the thing that psychomath talks about all the time

00:15:43.620 this is your thinking about your relations to other people

00:15:51.160 How you engage with society.

00:15:56.340 Now, I'm going to toss up on screen here.

00:16:00.680 That's the one.

00:16:05.260 So this is a very simplified version.

00:16:10.320 Psycho-Math typically does nine levels of structures.

00:16:16.160 You can get to 11.

00:16:18.000 You can do 15.

00:16:19.100 there you can have as many levels as you want it's how nuanced do you want to be it's like

00:16:30.540 asking how many colors are there in the color palette or or how many notes are in a scale

00:16:36.440 we use 12 but there's you can use more than that okay like the math keeps getting more detailed

00:16:43.840 It's all mathematical relationships when it comes to notes in a musical scale.

00:16:50.160 Same thing with levels of thinking about thinking.

00:16:53.240 You can get more and more nuanced.

00:16:56.900 And, by the way, the source for all of this, where did Ken Wilbur get this?

00:17:02.120 Did he just make it up? Did he have a vision about it?

00:17:05.620 No, there's been an extensive field of study in psychology.

00:17:13.200 I'm going to quote from, I'm going to paraphrase from Peterson talking about Piaget.

00:17:19.060 Piaget was asking the question, okay, so does the human, like, does the baby, the new human, do they boot up sort of like a computer?

00:17:30.220 Right? Like, at this stage, this process boots up, and then this process boots up, and on and on.

00:17:36.640 I should be using this hand, because I've got half the screen covered.

00:17:39.380 And it turns out that, yes, yes, then the brain activates by booting up various structures, booting up various levels of morality.

00:17:52.580 And the more complex human civilization gets, the more complex our moral reasoning needs to be.

00:18:01.900 Right? Like in caveman days, caveman would be, if we look at this chart here, down at the bottom, the magic.

00:18:11.680 This is where we're thinking at caveman days, where we don't need names for everything.

00:18:17.560 Our role in the tribe is our name.

00:18:21.320 if we see an eagle it is the eagle god it's not a representation of the great spirit the great

00:18:37.500 eagle it is the great spirit uh in the magic mindset every bend in the creek

00:18:47.620 has its name

00:18:49.920 but the creek itself, the river itself

00:18:52.800 doesn't have a name

00:18:53.600 doesn't need one

00:18:55.340 and as we advance

00:19:02.880 through these structures

00:19:03.800 it's

00:19:07.600 it's all about

00:19:09.320 transcend and include

00:19:12.940 the

00:19:16.500 The subject becomes the object of the new subject, which sounds really obtuse.

00:19:26.840 But give it a sec, because it perfectly illustrates it.

00:19:37.500 So we've got magic.

00:19:43.200 Early mythic.

00:19:45.320 Mythic, rational, pluralistic, and integral.

00:19:49.140 Those are the stages we're going to use for this video.

00:19:55.160 You'll also notice on the x-axis you have the states of consciousness.

00:19:59.440 That's going to be the part where it gets really weird.

00:20:01.800 But let's start with the stages.

00:20:03.820 Let's try and explain this so everybody understands.

00:20:08.020 Again, this is what PsychoMath does with his channel.

00:20:11.240 I'm going to be explaining them slightly differently than him.

00:20:13.560 and maybe his explanation and my explanation combined

00:20:17.780 will, you know, fertilize some fruit trees in your mind.

00:20:21.260 That's the idea here.

00:20:33.060 So at the primitive level,

00:20:37.400 all right, we're going to start with a baby.

00:20:40.520 A baby is its needs.

00:20:43.560 A baby is its emotions.

00:20:46.300 It is hungry.

00:20:48.380 It's cranky.

00:20:49.640 It's tired.

00:20:50.620 It is what it is.

00:20:52.720 What it's feeling is the subject.

00:20:59.240 We could roughly put this at the magic stage, or this breakdown.

00:21:05.280 Your subject is what you're feeling.

00:21:07.760 as the baby becomes a toddler

00:21:14.820 their feelings become the object

00:21:19.800 of the new subject

00:21:21.880 right so the baby wants something the baby cries

00:21:26.500 the toddler wants something they go and find mom or dad

00:21:33.260 you know if they if they want attention

00:21:36.480 A metaphor I love to use.

00:21:38.480 You'll sometimes see a kid having a temper tantrum, and nobody's paying attention.

00:21:43.760 The kid will stop having a temper tantrum, go and find an adult to pay attention, and then have another temper tantrum.

00:21:50.340 Right?

00:21:51.460 Like, you know what you're doing.

00:21:53.340 You know exactly what you're doing.

00:21:54.580 Like, the baby just cries.

00:21:57.060 The toddler cries strategically.

00:22:03.200 So this is the early mythic level.

00:22:05.160 is where we started having emotions strategically.

00:22:09.420 We were aware of the emotions.

00:22:12.060 To a large extent, we labeled these emotions as gods, right?

00:22:17.120 Like, the god descended upon the guy with the ankle from Battle of Troy.

00:22:29.900 What's his name?

00:22:32.720 This would be so smooth if I could remember.

00:22:35.160 I just got off night shifts, all right?

00:22:36.840 Give me some slack here, folks.

00:22:40.660 Achilles. Achilles.

00:22:42.520 A shield, as the Greeks say.

00:22:47.100 Ares descended upon Achilles.

00:22:52.760 The baby is not aware of his emotions.

00:22:55.660 He just is his emotions.

00:22:59.060 The early mythic is aware of the emotions,

00:23:03.500 but they're still external.

00:23:04.980 They're something else.

00:23:07.180 They take you over.

00:23:10.380 Thus, the previous subject became the object of the new subject.

00:23:19.160 This is also the era when slavery was invented.

00:23:25.020 And slavery was the transition to the next stage,

00:23:31.820 which is mythic.

00:23:34.980 so mythic

00:23:39.200 is the stage where

00:23:42.420 well, what's the subject

00:23:45.040 of the previous stage

00:23:47.040 the subject of the previous stage

00:23:48.580 is awareness of

00:23:51.240 emotions, it's power

00:23:52.460 okay, it's that

00:23:54.780 I have an emotion

00:23:56.240 I want

00:23:59.200 to satisfy that emotion

00:24:00.820 I want power

00:24:02.640 in fact the whole conflict

00:24:10.700 of

00:24:12.140 of uh

00:24:14.820 what is that play

00:24:16.160 what is that play by Homer about Achilles

00:24:18.700 and the battle of Troy

00:24:20.080 and

00:24:20.640 chat

00:24:23.040 Necrodancer thank you

00:24:25.120 oh American Spirit Blue not bad

00:24:27.540 I am definitely not

00:24:29.880 smoking smuggled tobacco from an Indian

00:24:31.920 reservation so the the whole it's not the odyssey it's like the sequel the whole plot of that story

00:24:51.440 is that you have all these people seeking power you have this big battle happening because these

00:25:00.080 people seeking power and Achilles gets

00:25:02.120 completely out of control

00:25:03.580 and forgiveness is required like the

00:25:09.920 the story of the Trojan

00:25:12.060 War ends

00:25:14.080 with putting an

00:25:16.120 end to the blood debt

00:25:17.380 through forgiveness

00:25:19.020 this is getting to stage

00:25:24.580 the mythic

00:25:26.480 stage

00:25:28.680 Psychomath would call this stage four, the stage of traditional religion,

00:25:33.660 the stage of social roles, of very strict social roles.

00:25:40.180 So levels one and two using psychomaths.

00:25:44.340 These are the baby levels, right?

00:25:46.760 These are just like feeling things, wanting things.

00:25:49.840 Stage three is the power level.

00:25:52.540 I want the things I want, and I don't want people telling me I can't do it.

00:26:01.580 Well, if everybody does that, if everybody just blindly seeks out their own power, we have chaos everywhere.

00:26:09.600 This is also the, this is what starts the conversation in Plato's The Republic.

00:26:17.240 Look, the conversation in that dialogue, it starts off with the question of, is justice

00:26:29.700 a virtue in and of itself, or is justice a necessary evil?

00:26:37.740 Like, what I want to do is be good to my friends and do evil to my enemies.

00:26:45.160 That's what I want to do.

00:26:47.500 But if everybody does that, then soon we've burned down one another's houses and we've burned all the crops.

00:26:55.760 Now we're all going to starve to death.

00:26:56.860 So instead of doing whatever I want all the time, we have to have a justice system, unfortunately, so that we don't murder one another and shit in the streets and et cetera, et cetera.

00:27:11.000 or and this is the question that that starts socrates uh asking the whole thing

00:27:21.340 or is justice actually good should justice not just like it's not just a necessary like we all

00:27:29.180 gotta pay taxes who's gonna build the roads you know go ask that at a libertarian conference

00:27:33.720 um but is justice actually a good in itself should we want justice for justice's sake

00:27:40.540 And the mythic, the orange on this chart here, is where you start celebrating justice for justice's sake, where you get the Ten Commandments, right?

00:27:55.280 Where, where the, the Iliad, the Iliad illustrates that when everybody is just seeking their own power, when, when Achilles is acting like an N word, then everything's going to fall apart.

00:28:11.600 And actually we need a higher ordering to society.

00:28:15.860 We need traditional religious values.

00:28:19.660 Like the traditional religious values were at one point the novel religious values.

00:28:25.280 so the subject becomes how can we have how can we have nice things how can we have a civilized

00:28:35.960 society well what we need to do is take these power urges which were the previous subject at

00:28:43.560 the the subject of i want to be i want to be the guy i want to have all the things

00:28:50.360 becomes the object.

00:28:53.260 Okay, I want to have all the things,

00:28:55.780 but if everybody does that,

00:28:57.860 then we're going to have zero things.

00:28:59.940 So how can I have some things

00:29:03.080 by becoming the guy that plays by the rules?

00:29:06.640 What rules?

00:29:08.040 What are the rules?

00:29:12.080 That is the mythic stage

00:29:15.640 of consciousness,

00:29:17.680 of conscious development.

00:29:20.360 to rewind a bit if you were a caveman with a tribe of 50 people you didn't need any rules

00:29:29.480 like you already know what the rules are right like you go visit your friend right you're thirsty

00:29:37.400 you usually you're gonna say hey do you mind if i grab a glass of water

00:29:41.540 which is just the weirdest question in the world like the water's free

00:29:45.060 of course you can grab a glass of water why are you asking well because you're at your friend's

00:29:50.060 house. And you're not just going to start poking at his stuff. It's his water. It's

00:29:55.240 his glass. So you ask permission. This stuff is built into us. You don't need to think

00:30:00.660 about the rules. You don't need to think about the justice system at the tribal level. This

00:30:06.980 stuff is programmed into us. Even dogs know these rules. But when you start getting to

00:30:13.080 these complex societies, well, how do we all get along so we're not stepping on each other's

00:30:17.940 toes you're starting to get some really complex internal structures dictating how you treat others

00:30:27.300 okay so so we have the traditional religion now we've got the ten commandments we've got

00:30:36.060 the temple of apollo we've uh we've got the structure of society

00:30:41.720 we're all we're all good little boys and girls we're all following the rules

00:30:49.020 i mentioned slavery before slavery gets invented at the early mythic

00:30:57.160 and it maintains itself as an institution during the mythic but it's primarily an institution

00:31:06.200 for people that don't embody the mythic, okay?

00:31:12.600 Because mythic, we're getting everybody to follow the rules,

00:31:15.680 and one of the rules is, if I'm going to hire you,

00:31:18.740 you need to show up five days a week at 8 a.m.

00:31:22.320 Because if you don't do that, if you don't keep your promise,

00:31:26.340 my business falls apart.

00:31:29.760 When you go to the early mythic, when you go to Achilles,

00:31:35.100 trying to be the

00:31:37.320 the gorilla dick n-word

00:31:39.360 right

00:31:40.260 he's trying to be the guy

00:31:43.060 well your business

00:31:45.460 falls apart when you have that

00:31:46.840 this is why

00:31:49.220 in all of these societies that are transitioning

00:31:51.200 from early mythic to mythic

00:31:52.860 you find the invention of slavery

00:31:54.780 even though slavery

00:31:56.480 it's a bad institution

00:31:59.560 having free people

00:32:01.740 free citizens that show up

00:32:03.840 and make profit.

00:32:04.860 Like, that's a far better institution than slavery.

00:32:08.640 The problem is,

00:32:10.020 people working at the early mythic level,

00:32:12.980 they don't hold to their word.

00:32:16.360 They don't understand the concept of promise.

00:32:20.200 Promise doesn't exist until the mythic level.

00:32:23.260 That's where you keep the covenant with God.

00:32:28.120 And with your fellow man.

00:32:29.420 so mythic level this is the the early city-states are at this mythic level again

00:32:41.940 the iliad the iliad is a play explaining the mythic level to the audience like this is why

00:32:49.900 you got to follow the rules otherwise we're going to have endless wars that destroy everything

00:32:54.240 They still had slavery, right?

00:33:00.540 But the slavery was for the underclasses.

00:33:03.180 The upper classes were expected to follow the rules without somebody holding a whip against them.

00:33:11.760 Well, now we get to the next stage.

00:33:18.780 This next stage is the early rational.

00:33:22.920 This is the stage of the empires, of the Romans.

00:33:27.700 Okay, so if the mythic stage, the subject is the rules.

00:33:33.300 It's the Ten Commandments.

00:33:34.740 It's the covenant with God.

00:33:36.820 The rational stage is, well, what's the best form of the rules?

00:33:44.900 Like, okay, we get that we all have to follow the rules.

00:33:48.360 We need some commandments from God.

00:33:50.940 But which ones should they be? Should it be ten? Should it be eight?

00:33:58.260 So the Romans go around, conquering everybody, and then integrating them.

00:34:05.800 So previously you conquered people to enslave them and steal their stuff.

00:34:11.480 The Romans conquered people to say, well, we kicked your butts, so you're part of Rome now,

00:34:18.460 you're paying taxes to us and we like that you have a religion how about if we turn it into an

00:34:24.060 organized religion you call him zeus cool we call him jupiter same thing you're gonna organize

00:34:33.300 along our standards and we're gonna optimize everything and all the roads are gonna go back

00:34:38.160 to Rome Nyangos star America brother we need to we need to hang out again it's

00:34:56.040 been too long sounds like you've been watching form skates I have not what is

00:35:03.300 that? Uh, post a link if you can. What number is the Justice Trump in the tarot? Does anybody

00:35:14.280 remember up until... Master Mahan, we are going to be talking about the tarot in this

00:35:18.540 stream, okay? All right, but let's finish off with these stages. So the Rational, the

00:35:30.800 Rational is trying to take the rules of religion, but optimize the rules of religion.

00:35:37.880 This starts leading into the Enlightenment, into the scientific project.

00:35:46.580 The, if you think, right now in the West, we are primarily at the rational and plural, the bulk of the population.

00:36:00.800 is mostly at the rational stage the despite what you're seeing on the streets the

00:36:07.680 go and get your degree get a degree in something that's high in demand and you'll make a lot of

00:36:12.820 money then you can buy a bunch of cars that's the rational that's the achievement right like

00:36:19.460 should i become a plumber or should i study uh because should i get a phd in puppetry

00:36:26.960 in transgender turtle studies.

00:36:30.300 Well, no, you should get the engineering degree

00:36:31.880 because then you'll get a lot of money

00:36:32.960 and you can buy some cars.

00:36:37.160 Rational achievement.

00:36:39.600 The mythic would say you gotta follow the rules.

00:36:43.380 Your daddy, he was a plumber,

00:36:46.940 so you'd better be a plumber too

00:36:48.220 because that's what your daddy did.

00:36:56.960 The pluralistic is when, okay, so we've done the rational.

00:37:04.720 The rational is how do I win the game?

00:37:07.640 How do I get the most toys?

00:37:11.440 How do I be the guy?

00:37:13.880 I got the most money.

00:37:18.040 The pluralistic steps back and says, wait a minute.

00:37:20.500 that

00:37:23.380 I used to be the subject

00:37:25.920 of I want

00:37:28.300 to be number one

00:37:29.420 but number one

00:37:34.160 in what?

00:37:38.980 Rouge

00:37:39.820 he was the guy

00:37:41.960 he was the man

00:37:44.360 he had all the shekels

00:37:46.800 but nobody

00:37:48.580 liked him

00:37:49.220 maybe, maybe he was playing the wrong game.

00:37:54.540 Maybe there's a lot of games that we can play.

00:37:57.800 And, you know, maybe everybody's just playing their own game.

00:38:02.500 And so, who am I to judge?

00:38:08.440 That's the pluralistic stage.

00:38:10.060 Our new subject is, what game do I want to play?

00:38:14.120 Do I want to have a big pile of shekels?

00:38:17.280 Or do I want to pursue polyamory?

00:38:24.060 Like, I want to...

00:38:25.300 There's still that implicit.

00:38:26.440 I want to be the best at what I do.

00:38:28.560 Whatever I value in life,

00:38:29.940 I want to have the most of what I value.

00:38:32.980 But the rules...

00:38:35.480 I don't have to value what everybody else values.

00:38:39.440 Maybe I just want a huge collection of Funko Pops

00:38:42.160 instead of ever feeling the touch of a woman.

00:38:46.660 Valid perspective.

00:38:51.980 And then finally, on this chart right here, you get the integral stage.

00:38:56.180 And this is where things start getting really crazy.

00:39:05.380 This is where you start noticing that all of these things come in stages.

00:39:11.740 That they build upon one another.

00:39:13.900 The problem with the pluralistic stage is the pluralistic stage, it's very good at understanding others.

00:39:23.000 Most anthropologists are likely at the pluralistic stage, which allows them to genuinely understand other cultures.

00:39:33.220 Now, if you go to the rational businessman, or the mythic religious person, and you try and explain to them that the Ubuntu tribe over in Africa, they do things this way.

00:39:49.740 The rational guy will say, well, that's stupid. They're not saving for their 401k.

00:39:55.500 And the mythic will say, well, clearly they worship demons.

00:39:59.360 while the pluralistic will understand that they've developed this adaptive strategy for existing

00:40:07.140 but the pluralist won't notice that the ubuntu tribe is at the early mythic and they regularly

00:40:18.360 genocide their neighbors they'll just ignore that part circumcised women they'll not notice any of

00:40:27.500 that because because they've gone past the idea of having the biggest 401k they now think

00:40:34.660 everything's equal it's not until you get to integral that you realize that the ubuntu tribe

00:40:42.140 has very good reasons for doing what they're doing and it's an interesting study in early

00:40:47.880 civilization but they're also a bunch of barbarians and that we want them to advance

00:40:57.340 Well, either we want to cordon them off as a nature preservation, I don't know, or if we're going to integrate, we don't want to bring them over here and have them doing the same stuff they're doing over there.

00:41:11.900 Insert joke about eating house pets.

00:41:18.520 These are progressive stages that advance, and we, as individuals, all advance through them.

00:41:27.340 So, Kohlberg's levels of moral development are all about this concept.

00:41:36.620 Here, I think that's enough of the levels and states for now.

00:41:44.580 You start off good boy, good girl.

00:41:47.580 You follow the rules either because you're going to get punished or because if you follow the rules, maybe you'll get a cookie.

00:41:52.580 then you start realizing we need rules and regulations

00:41:56.760 otherwise everything falls apart

00:41:58.300 and finally you start seeing

00:42:01.800 ascendant moral principles that bring beauty and excellence

00:42:06.720 into existence

00:42:08.880 that if we could get everybody to this level

00:42:12.180 or if we could get people to progress

00:42:14.040 and this is part of the reason this stuff matters

00:42:21.780 i'm sure you've all had the experience where you're talking to somebody

00:42:29.400 and you're trying to explain to you it's a very basic moral principle

00:42:36.240 no you shouldn't tell your boss to go to hell

00:42:41.120 even if you hate your boss you should get over yourself and play nice with people because then

00:42:51.120 you'll get paychecks, and you can buy nice stuff. That's the basic reason all the stuff

00:43:02.180 matters. The Negro Dancer said, my dad was a plumber, as am I. Hey, nothing wrong with

00:43:12.140 being a plumber, okay? A very well-paid profession. But you shouldn't be forced into it, is

00:43:21.040 more the point so those are the stages there's more stages above this they start getting really

00:43:31.780 wacky okay and you can get more detailed about all the stages there's intermediate stages

00:43:38.580 all of these are built off of a meta-analysis of all the different lines of of cognitive

00:43:48.820 development right you've got like you've got an emotional line you've got a moral line you've got

00:43:55.480 um but they all if you put them next to each other they all fit together they're not independent

00:44:04.440 they're just different aspects of the same growth pattern

00:44:07.500 and about 1% of the population

00:44:17.320 rewind a bit

00:44:19.860 the pluralistic stage

00:44:21.900 the hippie stage

00:44:23.560 the everybody has a valid view

00:44:25.640 stage

00:44:27.540 hit about 10% in the 60s

00:44:31.160 and it's taken over society

00:44:34.600 it's the default view

00:44:36.040 is that everybody's perspective is valid, right?

00:44:40.840 We went from corporations in the 50s

00:44:43.160 dictating what everybody should believe

00:44:46.380 because this is the optimal way to make money

00:44:48.860 to now corporations are dictating

00:44:51.780 that you have to have respect for how everybody behaves.

00:44:56.080 All right, like it's...

00:44:58.380 We all see the obnoxious side of that.

00:45:01.260 Absolutely it's obnoxious.

00:45:02.720 But it's a lot better than this lady acquired khaki bird legs at a nightclub in the 50s.

00:45:11.980 Shame her and learn from her example.

00:45:15.540 You know, we make fun of that.

00:45:16.920 The whole Bethesda Fallout series is all about making fun of that patriarchal stage five achievement indoctrination that was common in the 50s.

00:45:32.720 Even though if you go back and watch some of those indoctrination videos, they're actually quite good.

00:45:38.000 They're actually kind of lifting people up.

00:45:40.440 But they're very confident that we've got the best society ever because we've got 401ks.

00:45:48.060 Well, a hippie movement comes along and gets to stage six.

00:45:50.440 You get to 10% of the population believing something, it takes over the entire population.

00:45:55.720 Stage six says everybody should live their best life.

00:46:02.720 So stage seven is where we figure out that there are stages.

00:46:18.460 Prophet Zombie, that's, uh, Prophet Zombie just posted a link here.

00:46:21.900 Hopefully these comments, I can't remember whether or not the comments will appear in the permanent stream.

00:46:27.120 I hope they do.

00:46:27.820 um prophet zombie god copy just the last little bit of the the url and toss that in the comments

00:46:37.380 i think it might have blocked the link oh geez it's on top chat is it is it live chat i'm sorry

00:46:49.780 guys i i wasn't seeing all of your comments it defaults the top comment i want to see all the

00:46:55.400 comments level seven is where we realize that people are growing through these stages and that

00:47:03.920 somebody at level three does should not be entrusted with the full range of social power

00:47:13.960 that somebody at level five should be

00:47:25.400 top comments is a lie it is a lie yeah i just copy the uh like the the uh alphanumeric signature

00:47:33.600 at the end of the video like watch equals just copy the last bit toss that in there people can

00:47:39.120 find it all right so that's uh that's a review of the structures there are higher structures

00:47:48.920 but that's not the focus of this video

00:47:52.280 and they don't matter as much

00:47:55.040 we're at 1% at 7

00:47:56.880 if we can get 10% of the population

00:48:00.700 at level 7

00:48:01.760 and to know they're at level 7 as well

00:48:04.760 and the best part of this too

00:48:08.920 is that

00:48:09.760 hypothetically

00:48:12.580 what if

00:48:14.340 to

00:48:16.280 So, PsychoMath has developed an AI that you converse with it to find out what stage you're at, what level.

00:48:27.480 I haven't taken the test yet. I've been meaning to. I haven't done it yet.

00:48:34.920 What if we were to implement, if you want to vote, for example, you have to achieve this score on the test.

00:48:43.200 now you might worry that well what if people just studied and faked the test here's the best part

00:48:53.280 here's the really good news when you study this stuff you actually advance in levels you can't

00:48:59.820 cheat on it like when you try and cheat you actually just become a more competent human

00:49:04.460 being that the higher you are up in the levels it does get lonely when you're one of the few

00:49:12.240 When everybody else is at level three, and they're all trying to show their ass to one another and fight with one another,

00:49:19.220 if you're high level, it's very, very lonely.

00:49:22.520 But at high level, you're going to be a lot more effective in life.

00:49:27.100 You're going to be better at achieving your ends.

00:49:29.700 The more people we get to higher levels, the better society becomes.

00:49:34.960 And if people had to fake being at high level, you can't fake it.

00:49:37.980 You literally become high level when you try and pretend to be high level.

00:49:44.820 High level of thinking about your role in society and how you engage with social structures.

00:49:55.080 So I'm going to put it back on screen for a sec.

00:50:01.940 This one.

00:50:02.780 so the magic level is where is where you don't think about why anything is like you don't think

00:50:14.000 like your parents are just your parents they're not good parents they're not bad parents they're

00:50:21.640 just your parents you never question it the early mythic is where you become aware of of things

00:50:30.620 being good or bad or things being or things being separate from yourself mythic is traditional

00:50:44.680 religion where you become aware that there's rules that we should all follow the baker should

00:50:48.880 bake bread the plumber should do plumbing the king should do this the priest should do that

00:50:54.180 there's all these rules you better follow the rules because we need the rules for a civilization

00:50:59.000 the rational is where you realize that the rules

00:51:03.480 the rules are somewhat arbitrary we could have lots of different rules

00:51:07.980 what are the best rules that we should have

00:51:09.720 the pluralistic you realize I'm a unique individual

00:51:14.580 what are the best rules for me

00:51:16.300 and the integral is where you realize that these are progressive rules

00:51:21.800 that we are growing over time with all of this stuff

00:51:25.620 and there's a part of us that exists at every level

00:51:30.960 at every moment in the day there's a part of you that is basic power drives

00:51:40.260 sex and violence put it simply there's a part of you that has rules that you follow you're you're

00:51:49.080 you're a law-abiding citizen there's the rational part trying to achieve as much as you can

00:51:55.880 There's the pluralistic part where you're a unique snowflake and you're trying to find,

00:52:02.000 I want to find my one true love that gets me.

00:52:05.540 And then there's the integral level where you're trying to fix all the problems.

00:52:10.700 You're trying to help other people level up.

00:52:14.340 Those are the levels.

00:52:19.580 This is what PsychoMath talks a lot about.

00:52:22.960 um his shorter videos are about dating if you don't like those you should still give his longer

00:52:30.220 videos a chance because these ones are very interesting all right now let's talk about

00:52:36.200 the quadrants

00:52:37.760 i'm gonna try and be quick with this one the quadrants are the four perspectives that exist

00:52:52.180 on everything, everything

00:52:55.840 in existence fits into the quadrants.

00:53:01.620 I did not prepare a slide

00:53:04.360 for this, unfortunately, so you're going to have to imagine it.

00:53:11.780 I, internal,

00:53:16.940 external. We,

00:53:19.660 internal.

00:53:22.180 We, external.

00:53:26.200 So, singular, plural, internal, external.

00:53:34.380 there's a really good video again by psychomath where he breaks down

00:53:49.520 a date that went right he spends like 40 minutes breaking down a date that a girl

00:53:56.520 complained about on tiktok because she was fat but her photos hit that fact and the guy met her

00:54:08.340 on the date and then immediately walked away and like he canceled the date and said honestly it's

00:54:13.180 because you're fat and he spent like 20 or 40 minutes explaining what the hell happened here

00:54:18.960 using the four quadrants and assigning blame to people.

00:54:24.680 So the four quadrants are, there's, I'm trying to do it for you guys.

00:54:32.460 There's the individual internal.

00:54:34.740 There's my internal self, my feelings, my knowledge, my skills, et cetera.

00:54:42.820 This is all the interior of my head stuff.

00:54:46.120 over here you have my body my actions in the world what did i say what did i do what where do i spend

00:54:58.100 my money do i invest it do i buy star wars toys with it right that's that's individual physical

00:55:04.180 or sorry that yeah individual physical then we have the plural mental is culture

00:55:15.760 what does our culture say about certain things what does it believe about things

00:55:24.920 so i've got i've got my internal beliefs but then there's the cultural beliefs so maybe there's

00:55:31.800 something i like but it's culturally taboo and so if i well and then there's cultural institutions

00:55:45.160 so there's something i like but it's culturally taboo

00:55:52.600 so if i talk about it you gotta go to jail mate i love big brother

00:56:01.800 psychomath

00:56:05.840 uses these categories

00:56:07.560 he presents them very prosaically

00:56:10.000 he's using he's trying to explain

00:56:11.960 to you how you can use

00:56:13.940 these

00:56:14.500 for your benefit

00:56:17.640 he also points out and

00:56:21.620 Ken Wilber points out one of the biggest problems we have

00:56:23.720 in society is

00:56:25.780 single quadrant

00:56:27.660 analysis

00:56:28.420 when everything exists on all four quadrants.

00:56:37.940 So when somebody says skill issue, brah, it's a skill issue, brah.

00:56:44.620 Well, where do your skills exist?

00:56:47.720 Your skills are the individual.

00:56:50.300 Here's your knowledge.

00:56:52.020 You're poor because you got a useless degree.

00:56:58.420 Okay, but what if I got a useless degree, but nobody is hiring me?

00:57:10.000 Well, is that it could be institutional oppression.

00:57:16.060 This is what the institutional oppression.

00:57:18.960 The institutions are biased.

00:57:21.540 The system is biased against my group.

00:57:26.680 Or cultural.

00:57:28.420 maybe I've got really good skills

00:57:33.200 and I've got a really good resume

00:57:35.540 and there's no institutional bias against me

00:57:39.240 but I don't have any connections

00:57:41.620 and I don't know where to apply for the job.

00:57:48.020 People are prone to picking one of the four quadrants

00:57:51.420 and putting that as the cause of all problems.

00:57:55.040 when every problem is going to exist on all four quadrants.

00:58:00.840 That's the aspect that PsychoMath likes to talk about.

00:58:06.120 He likes to talk about the practical application of things

00:58:08.980 because we're in an atheistic society.

00:58:11.280 And he's trying to communicate to the atheists.

00:58:15.540 I'm not. I'm trying to communicate to the schizoids.

00:58:18.400 Okay, so let's get to the weird part.

00:58:22.360 I'm going to be quick with this.

00:58:23.800 I'm planning to write a really long essay on this, which means I'm not fully prepared to talk about it.

00:58:33.200 Because we're going to get weird.

00:58:34.200 We're going to be talking about semiotics and ontological proof of God, and we're going to do it really quick and dirty.

00:58:43.280 So, and I'm totally stealing this from Ken Wilber.

00:58:47.100 This is in the book.

00:58:53.800 So, let me, this is, yeah, okay, that's, that's the, that's the upper left for you guys. I'm going to flip everything in my brain. Semiotics is the study of signs and symbols and language, okay?

00:59:11.220 And everything has...

00:59:21.220 So when you say the word dog, there's the signified and the signifier.

00:59:33.060 The signified is the conception of dog, which is internal.

00:59:46.920 The I, the internal singular, is the signified.

00:59:54.160 Dog, cat, railway, steamboat.

01:00:00.840 Square root of negative one.

01:00:03.060 The signified is the internal, what it means.

01:00:12.260 And when I say dog, it activates the signified inside of you.

01:00:20.440 I say dog, you've got the image of dog, which is very, very close to mine.

01:00:25.000 Almost identical.

01:00:27.100 In fact, we'll get to that.

01:00:28.800 Then you've got the signifier.

01:00:29.960 The signifier in semiotics is the individual outside world, which is dogs in the world, or railways, or the sky, or whatever you're, the signified is the mental concept, signifier is the external concept.

01:00:51.300 then you've got

01:00:55.200 the semantics

01:00:58.140 the semantics are

01:01:03.220 the culture surrounding dog

01:01:07.240 propaganda

01:01:09.780 well we don't call it propaganda anymore

01:01:13.200 we call it

01:01:14.280 we call it

01:01:15.640 what do they call it

01:01:17.280 customer relations, because the semantics, the culture surrounding the signified.

01:01:29.540 And then, instead of institutions, lower left, we've got syntax, the rules of grammar.

01:01:36.360 Now, do you notice

01:01:43.900 what didn't actually appear

01:01:46.280 in any of these four boxes

01:01:48.400 was dogs

01:01:51.240 Let me catch some

01:01:59.240 I gotta catch up with these comments

01:02:00.780 Guys, check out Pinkerton's Ghost

01:02:04.780 He does a radio novella about a private eye that fights vampires.

01:02:10.420 It's really cool.

01:02:23.540 Oh yeah, that's my electric heater.

01:02:26.380 It's frickin' cold right now.

01:02:28.040 all right so to reiterate when it comes to language when it comes to semiotics

01:02:37.940 we've got the word dog it's got an internal state for us it's got an external oh look there's a dog

01:02:47.840 I call that thing a dog.

01:02:51.760 It's got an emotional connotation.

01:02:57.140 Man's best friend.

01:02:59.160 You dirty dog.

01:03:01.640 And it's got a syntax as to how it has to be used in language.

01:03:05.840 You did a bad grammar, my man.

01:03:13.100 But in these four states, there is no dog.

01:03:17.840 So, where is dog?

01:03:22.980 Well, dog has its own four states.

01:03:28.260 So the dog, it's got its eye internal.

01:03:34.420 The dog has its lived experience.

01:03:39.460 The dog has its external actions, usually trying to dig a hole under the fence.

01:03:47.840 The dog exists in a cultural context with other dogs, or as part of a human family.

01:03:59.380 And it exists in an institutional other reality, which is the laws of evolution, the laws of the environment.

01:04:10.520 And so you've got these four quadrants on the one side of semiotics, talking about dogs, us humans talking about dogs.

01:04:25.500 And they've got dogs over here with their own four quadrants of existence.

01:04:34.360 Where do these two sets of four quadrants connect?

01:04:40.520 in language we have epistemology

01:04:43.940 the naming of things

01:04:48.100 how do we label things

01:04:49.880 how do we sort all the things

01:04:52.100 identify all the things

01:04:54.600 and then you've got ontology

01:04:57.780 the existence of the things in and of themselves

01:05:02.300 the things that exist

01:05:04.360 cogito ergo sum

01:05:07.780 I think therefore I am

01:05:09.220 what are we to do with this duality

01:05:17.300 of on the one hand we have language talking about things

01:05:20.880 and then we have things existing

01:05:26.100 where the hell do they connect

01:05:30.420 because they actually don't connect together

01:05:32.820 And this is where I'm going to pull out

01:05:40.600 the Cabalian, which is

01:05:45.620 allegedly from Hermes Trismegistus.

01:05:50.040 I don't know that it is, but

01:05:52.220 Hermes Trismegistus, the thrice great.

01:06:01.020 The father of alchemy.

01:06:02.820 One of the demigods that lived about 3,000 years ago.

01:06:09.520 Most of our modern understanding of reality derived from this.

01:06:12.680 During the Enlightenment, when they really started embracing the teachings of Hermes.

01:06:19.900 The god Hermes is named after the demigod.

01:06:23.280 It's named after the man, because he was that smart.

01:06:25.840 so this is from the

01:06:31.260 Kabalian which is written in

01:06:33.200 1908

01:06:33.920 it might be

01:06:37.320 a little bit apocryphal

01:06:38.680 okay

01:06:39.960 I'll have to get back to you on this but

01:06:42.820 the seven hermetic principles

01:06:45.040 the principle

01:06:47.400 of mentalism

01:06:48.320 all is mind the universe is mental

01:06:51.280 to quote Ken Wilbur

01:06:53.080 reality is

01:06:55.520 psycho-material.

01:06:58.440 Everything is both matter and mind.

01:07:01.840 Two, the principle of correspondence is above, so below.

01:07:05.000 Principle of vibration.

01:07:06.540 Nothing rests, everything moves, everything vibrates.

01:07:09.940 Principle of polarity.

01:07:13.680 Everything is polarity.

01:07:18.260 The epistemology of naming things

01:07:20.740 and the ontology of things existing

01:07:24.220 are the north and south poles of a magnet.

01:07:29.600 So we've got the, we've got the,

01:07:32.880 what's the word, signs and symbols.

01:07:35.160 We've got the language.

01:07:37.680 We've got the four quadrants of language of the word dog.

01:07:41.040 And then we have the four quadrants of dog existing.

01:07:44.760 These are the two poles,

01:07:48.480 epistemology and ontology,

01:07:51.540 connected by hyperspace.

01:07:54.220 And by the way, if this hyperspace didn't exist, if there was not a divine conduit, like a magnet, with its magnetic fields, connecting epistemology and ontology, if this universe was purely material, you might still have things like evolution, right?

01:08:21.020 You might have really complex maximizers seeking to reproduce, but communication would be completely impossible.

01:08:35.300 If material evolution were all that was true, your subjective internal experience would have zero correlation to reality.

01:08:51.020 Your internal subjective experience would be optimized to maximize the number of genes you express.

01:09:02.900 Language would be completely impossible.

01:09:10.240 And yet language is omnipresent.

01:09:13.100 We have the same emotions as the other animals.

01:09:16.760 Sometimes we don't understand the other animals.

01:09:18.740 but more often than not we do

01:09:21.320 and this is

01:09:27.200 the principle of polarity

01:09:29.540 the Kabalian

01:09:32.920 might be quoting this in a

01:09:35.220 modern framework

01:09:37.560 might not be quite as ancient as they're

01:09:41.220 pretending it is but it does

01:09:43.360 touch upon things that are truly

01:09:45.260 ancient

01:09:45.780 Okay, so that's all I'm going to be saying about the quadrants.

01:10:05.360 I want to talk about the quadrants so that you understand.

01:10:08.640 The quadrants are a very useful metric for examining problems in your life.

01:10:13.760 Like, if you can't meet a girl, to steal from PsychoMath, is it because, skill issue brah, you're just not very charismatic?

01:10:33.580 Could it be that you have really bad pickup lines?

01:10:37.980 could it be that you're in a culture that is hostile to dating like uh for example if you if

01:10:51.620 you went over if you went to india and let's pretend everybody in india has an arranged

01:10:58.060 marriage and you try and date girls well you're not going to find any dates because everybody's

01:11:03.360 doing an arranged marriage as a cultural issue or is it a structural issue that there are certain

01:11:09.500 legal requirements to date or or you live in a place where there aren't any bars and so you

01:11:18.300 can't meet any girls at the bar because there aren't any bars as a structural there's that

01:11:23.540 aspect of the four quadrants, but the four quadrants are so much more than merely a way

01:11:33.420 to analyze problems in your life. They're actually foundational to reality itself.

01:11:41.100 And that said, I think we're finally ready to get to the crazy part, but first I need

01:11:46.920 to go to the washroom. Give me 30 seconds of maybe 45.

01:12:16.920 Thank you.

01:12:46.920 Alrighty, I apologize for the delay, due to the nature of fluid dynamics, all mammals

01:12:59.260 on the planet can empty their bladder in seven seconds, except for Italians, we take nine.

01:13:16.920 oh geez this is master mayhem project we are gonna have to talk about that

01:13:31.600 i don't want to get there's so many rabbit trails i could get lost on we are gonna have to talk

01:13:38.120 about that.

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01:13:43.980 Thank you.

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01:14:06.540 Thank you, brother. Thank you for

01:14:08.020 the donation.

01:14:16.140 So.

01:14:20.780 The

01:14:21.300 stages

01:14:22.780 of development

01:14:24.100 are how

01:14:25.880 complexly

01:14:27.240 you think

01:14:28.780 about your

01:14:29.580 relationships.

01:14:38.020 I'm watching myself walk up the stairs.

01:14:42.840 Did I look sexy?

01:14:47.640 How complexly do you think about morality?

01:15:01.980 You will inevitably

01:15:03.680 grow through the stages

01:15:07.560 depending upon your society, right?

01:15:11.540 If you're a caveman, you're not really going to grow that much

01:15:13.960 because there's no need to grow.

01:15:17.860 But if you're in any sort of a civilization,

01:15:19.880 you will gradually ascend

01:15:23.320 to the highest stage of complex moral reasoning

01:15:28.500 that you're capable of.

01:15:34.400 If, quite frankly, your low IQ

01:15:37.180 you might only get to level four, which is follow the rules.

01:15:45.960 There's a lot of working class jobs that are built around the idea of guys

01:15:51.100 that can't really think more complexly than just follow the rules.

01:15:55.280 So you give them a schedule, you give them a route, and they do it reliably every day.

01:16:00.940 And that's as high as they can ascend due to IQ limitations, essentially.

01:16:07.180 but once you but you will be pushed society pushes you to get to the highest stage you can

01:16:17.240 wilbur calls this growing up right like when you're a teenager we all want to be the guy in charge

01:16:28.780 but you got to grow up you got to learn to play with other people got to play nice

01:16:33.940 that's the stages stages are learning to play nice the stages are even if the cop giving you

01:16:43.460 a speeding ticket is being a real douchebag about it somebody at a high stage is going to still be

01:16:52.760 polite because there's no profit in being rude to a cop it doesn't help you being rude to a cop

01:17:01.180 Somebody at a low stage.

01:17:02.460 Achilles is going to mouth off the cop.

01:17:05.880 Achilles was a great warrior, but he was not very high level.

01:17:12.360 Again, the Iliad is all about Achilles going from level three to level four.

01:17:23.800 But then you get waking up.

01:17:26.740 And this is where shit's going to get weird.

01:17:29.960 Okay?

01:17:30.320 Just an hour and 20 minutes into the live stream.

01:17:33.540 Finally, we get to the weird part.

01:17:36.280 And, listen, when it comes to the stages, this isn't a bragging thing.

01:17:45.120 I'm easily, I was at level seven a long time ago.

01:17:51.980 A very long time ago.

01:17:52.860 So, the waking up is spirituality, is becoming aware of what consciousness is, of what God is.

01:18:13.560 and

01:18:18.260 listen

01:18:20.940 the reason I want to talk about the stages

01:18:24.060 is because they're a little bit easier

01:18:26.120 for us to

01:18:27.100 I think you guys all see the stages

01:18:29.480 you all see how they make sense

01:18:34.220 like now that I've explained

01:18:36.080 the stages to you

01:18:37.340 you might have some

01:18:39.700 questions but you're not

01:18:41.840 tempted to debate whether or not they actually exist right especially if you have kids if you

01:18:49.260 have kids then you've seen it firsthand what these stages are all about

01:18:52.840 david jones you just got here for the good part

01:18:58.240 these states of consciousness that we're going to get into which is the waking up

01:19:08.280 this is the spiritual ascension

01:19:11.340 this is enlightenment

01:19:12.660 this stuff is

01:19:15.340 just as thoroughly mapped

01:19:17.180 as the

01:19:20.980 stages

01:19:23.000 of growing up

01:19:24.480 this is not like

01:19:29.380 your opinion man

01:19:30.880 and it does map

01:19:35.020 to St. Teresa's little way

01:19:37.520 which I do not know enough about right now

01:19:41.980 to bring into the conversation, I'm afraid.

01:19:46.560 But this is universal.

01:19:47.960 This is all cultures.

01:19:50.160 This is all humans.

01:19:52.480 The difference between stages and states

01:19:56.960 is that you're forced to grow up through stages.

01:20:03.200 If you don't grow up, we put you in prison.

01:20:07.520 but states to become aware of what awareness is of what perception is is not required

01:20:18.720 so this is the part where we get weird and we start talking about actual psychic powers

01:20:25.920 so wilbur

01:20:26.880 boils it down to five states

01:20:32.020 I'm going to briefly mention a sixth

01:20:37.540 just because I know I got some esoteric motherfuckers

01:20:41.860 in this stream

01:20:43.240 the five states are

01:20:47.300 the gross physical

01:20:50.820 the subtle

01:20:53.960 the causal, the witnessing

01:20:57.960 and the non-dual

01:21:00.900 the non-dual right there

01:21:05.640 that's why I was talking about the four quadrants

01:21:08.220 and epistemology and ontology

01:21:12.680 I need to set that up

01:21:15.120 so we can talk about the non-dual states

01:21:17.940 so the gross physical

01:21:23.620 is the default reality we all wind up in, right?

01:21:28.460 It's where your brain is chattering,

01:21:30.860 you've got a lot of emotions,

01:21:32.680 got a lot of feelings about stuff.

01:21:41.180 That's the gross physical.

01:21:42.580 The gross physical is default reality.

01:21:45.580 the subtle realm

01:21:50.840 is

01:21:52.980 when you think of spiritual experiences

01:21:56.660 when you think of

01:21:59.820 like if you think of a drug trip

01:22:02.420 in a TV show or a cartoon show

01:22:06.580 where they're saying all these crazy stuff

01:22:09.340 if you think about somebody talking with the gods

01:22:11.700 Padre Pio

01:22:18.820 55

01:22:19.580 Dude

01:22:20.200 Necrodancer

01:22:21.640 You're too good to me

01:22:23.020 Thank you

01:22:23.860 Yeah I'm not going to be touching

01:22:28.180 Too much on the magical powers

01:22:30.120 With this one

01:22:30.700 But Padre Pio

01:22:32.140 Could bi-locate

01:22:33.040 We're going to be touching on religion

01:22:38.460 Later in this video

01:22:39.740 i completely believe that christ came back from the dead

01:22:48.020 like i am more certain that he died and came back than i am about the earth being a globe

01:23:01.580 i also think that any of us could do the exact same thing

01:23:05.380 if we got our act together.

01:23:09.780 I don't think most of us would,

01:23:11.840 but I think we easily could.

01:23:14.760 Yeah, like, what we're talking about now is

01:23:17.020 this is the crazy magic part.

01:23:20.920 So, level one is gross reality.

01:23:27.920 Level two is the subtle.

01:23:31.100 The astral realm.

01:23:33.320 This is where the gods exist.

01:23:43.180 At the very upper limit is where the watchers exist.

01:23:51.360 The titans, the frost giants, the foundational building blocks of reality, time, space, entropy.

01:24:01.220 there's this witnessing aspect

01:24:05.040 at the very top of the astral

01:24:07.420 I've been there

01:24:08.680 I think I've gotten to level 3

01:24:12.700 there's these things that watch

01:24:16.220 at the very top of it

01:24:17.460 they're just watching

01:24:18.900 and they exist

01:24:19.920 they exist at the point where parallel lines meet

01:24:23.540 they're the infinity point

01:24:25.980 level 2

01:24:29.260 is

01:24:31.420 the mental realm

01:24:35.220 to the infinity point.

01:24:38.760 You'll meet gods here.

01:24:42.000 You'll

01:24:42.740 be able to see yourself.

01:24:47.820 This is where angelic beings

01:24:49.880 exist. Beings of light.

01:24:51.980 But, level two is where you realize, I am not my body.

01:25:09.460 I am observing my body.

01:25:12.600 I am not my emotions.

01:25:17.320 I am observing myself.

01:25:21.380 I'm observing emotions going through me.

01:25:25.200 I'm observing Achilles having Ares descend upon him.

01:25:32.820 I am not my thoughts.

01:25:36.240 I observe the thoughts moving through my head.

01:25:39.960 And I can look at where the thoughts came from.

01:25:44.200 i am remembering

01:25:49.400 perhaps a a time it's usually negative isn't it a time i made a fool of myself

01:25:58.400 but why am i why am i thinking that i'm thinking that because i made a fool of myself one time

01:26:09.960 when I was out with my friends at a

01:26:11.980 Dairy Queen, and why was I thinking

01:26:13.940 about that? Well, we just drove past

01:26:16.080 a Dairy Queen, and

01:26:17.900 driving past that Dairy Queen made me recall

01:26:20.100 that memory, making me recall the time

01:26:21.920 I made a fool of myself, which was causing

01:26:24.100 an emotion of feeling embarrassed,

01:26:26.820 but I'm the thing watching

01:26:28.140 myself have this experience.

01:26:36.140 I'm so lucid right now, I'm almost

01:26:38.280 finished. Yeah, exactly, right?

01:26:39.960 Bro, exactly.

01:26:44.380 The gross physical level one is the ego.

01:26:50.120 The subtle is the soul.

01:27:00.060 And what I was just describing is the...

01:27:03.960 oh goodness this is where it starts really getting weird

01:27:11.100 okay starts really getting weird

01:27:13.600 all the crazy spiritual stuff

01:27:21.220 that you see the drug trips and the

01:27:24.640 the mystical insight that's all

01:27:28.420 layer two okay and we got three more layers to go

01:27:32.120 so we're just talking about

01:27:43.320 this is high astral level

01:27:45.520 where you're observing yourself

01:27:47.340 having an emotion because you had a

01:27:49.560 thought and that thought was triggered

01:27:51.500 by something you saw in the physical realm

01:27:53.840 that's still level 2 but it's getting pretty close

01:27:59.780 to level 3

01:28:00.440 by the way i was going to mention level 1.5 physical etheric astral etheric is the realm

01:28:10.300 of vibration it's music it's vibe it's right in between like the astral is idea space

01:28:20.020 right like uh the mass formation of a mob is something happening on the astral

01:28:28.460 whereas burning down the parliament building happens on the physical

01:28:34.680 and the etheric is the vibe realms music is there music is partly physical partly astral

01:28:43.900 if you if you walk into the room and you feel the vibe of the place that's the etheric which is the

01:28:50.580 border between physical and astral.

01:28:56.100 There's parts of etheric we can measure.

01:28:58.420 There's parts that we can't measure

01:29:00.060 because they're purely mental constructs.

01:29:02.940 when you realize

01:29:20.980 remember we said earlier

01:29:23.380 that the

01:29:23.980 subject becomes the

01:29:26.380 object of the new subject

01:29:28.140 so the ego

01:29:30.360 is the

01:29:32.620 object of the soul the soul is watching the ego is looking at the ego that feels

01:29:44.980 things that has thought that has opinions so when does the soul become

01:29:55.460 the object.

01:30:02.180 The soul

01:30:03.580 becomes the object at the level

01:30:05.760 of spirit

01:30:06.920 or higher self.

01:30:11.020 And the whole

01:30:12.960 all of reality

01:30:16.120 becomes an object

01:30:19.480 at that point.

01:30:21.840 All of the gods,

01:30:23.280 all of the titans,

01:30:25.460 are all

01:30:28.580 object.

01:30:31.640 Level three

01:30:33.460 is

01:30:37.380 a realm of

01:30:40.960 darkness full of

01:30:45.060 potentiality. It's a realm of

01:30:48.880 bliss. It's the darkness that existed

01:30:52.580 before time

01:30:54.120 before the universe

01:30:56.580 pure potentiality

01:30:58.260 that doesn't happen

01:30:59.040 gods and angels are the same thing

01:31:09.800 goy destroyer

01:31:10.960 gods, angels, emotions

01:31:22.200 Egregores, all of those

01:31:25.880 exist on level 2. All of those mental constructs,

01:31:29.920 all of those beings exist on level 2.

01:31:40.000 Is Zeus a being of light?

01:31:41.820 Yes, Zeus is a being of light. He's certainly

01:31:45.700 not in the gross material world.

01:31:47.740 despite what the Marvel movies would have you believe.

01:31:53.920 He is part of the subtle realm.

01:31:56.220 The realm of ideas, of enlightened energy,

01:32:00.080 of inspiration, of purpose, of meaning.

01:32:10.200 But as you observe all these meanings,

01:32:12.720 you eventually notice the infinite abyss

01:32:17.460 that exists, like the fractal abyss that exists in eyes

01:32:21.600 themselves. And you

01:32:25.500 enter that dark night of the soul. You enter that abyss. Layer

01:32:29.320 three is the infinite, warm

01:32:33.520 comforting darkness. This darkness that's just full of lights.

01:32:39.920 I think Anuin is the

01:32:41.600 Celtic term for it. This realm of potentiality

01:32:45.520 and bliss

01:32:46.660 where anything

01:32:49.340 is possible and everything is just

01:32:51.500 coming in waves.

01:33:02.600 The eternal

01:33:04.280 the eternal present.

01:33:09.020 and then layer 3

01:33:15.900 turns to layer 4

01:33:21.280 when you reach the end of infinity

01:33:23.780 when

01:33:28.740 you stop being an observer

01:33:31.900 observing the infinite potentiality

01:33:35.860 when you finally reach the base of the

01:33:40.360 you hit the infinity point of the black hole

01:33:42.560 the terminal point

01:33:46.660 and you become observation itself

01:33:50.620 and then finally

01:34:02.280 state five

01:34:06.920 is when

01:34:11.020 observer and observed

01:34:13.660 completely dissolve.

01:34:16.360 The epistemology

01:34:18.620 and the ontology,

01:34:21.080 the north and south poles of the magnet,

01:34:23.620 the language

01:34:25.160 about dogs

01:34:27.180 and the physical existence

01:34:28.640 of dogs,

01:34:30.880 you realize

01:34:32.940 that they are

01:34:35.260 the same

01:34:36.480 thing

01:34:37.580 all is mind

01:34:42.700 and all is matter

01:34:43.700 in the Matrix

01:34:50.720 when

01:34:52.620 Neo

01:34:53.880 he's fighting Agent Smith

01:34:55.220 he's fighting Agent Smith

01:34:56.580 and then finally

01:34:57.680 he gets it

01:34:58.980 and in perfect calmness

01:35:02.840 without even thinking about it

01:35:05.200 he's blocking every blow

01:35:06.680 because he is Agent Smith

01:35:08.400 he's Neo, he's Agent Smith

01:35:10.100 he's the punch, he's blocking the punch

01:35:12.240 he is everything

01:35:13.940 Ken Wilber describes this

01:35:16.260 the sky turns into a blue pancake

01:35:18.200 that falls upon your head

01:35:19.640 I am what I observe

01:35:22.040 what I observe is me

01:35:24.760 I am taking actions

01:35:26.740 I am the results of those actions

01:35:28.780 It's complete non-duality.

01:35:31.880 In Futurama, when Fry bought 100 cups of coffee,

01:35:36.620 and he hits that moment of perfect Zen non-dual awareness

01:35:45.660 and saves everybody from the fire without thinking about it because he is all.

01:35:58.780 I saw a fantastic meme

01:36:05.780 which was

01:36:08.640 it was about enlightenment

01:36:10.180 right

01:36:11.740 and it's got this

01:36:13.040 it's got this guy doing chores

01:36:14.680 he's mowing the lawn

01:36:15.780 he's raking the leaves

01:36:16.720 and he's thinking about

01:36:17.600 he's thinking about being enlightened

01:36:19.180 and then when he's enlightened

01:36:20.940 he's

01:36:22.020 mowing the lawn

01:36:23.480 and raking the leaves

01:36:24.980 but then the second panel

01:36:26.320 he's

01:36:27.080 it's after enlightenment

01:36:28.420 and he's just mowing the lawn

01:36:30.540 and raking the leaves.

01:36:33.840 Non-duality has been achieved.

01:36:54.540 I promise you the tarot.

01:36:55.980 Alright, let's bring up the tarot.

01:36:58.420 So, these are the major arcana of the tarot deck.

01:37:21.740 There are 22 cards.

01:37:23.960 It starts with the pool, which is labeled zero.

01:37:28.420 and it ends with a fool.

01:37:34.400 Now, there's a really fancy word I want to use here.

01:37:41.160 Septenary!

01:37:42.940 Yes, the major arcana of the tarot break down into three septenaries.

01:37:52.300 So, let's look at the first one.

01:37:53.960 The first is the gross physical realm.

01:38:04.780 This is the purgative way.

01:38:08.840 Part of your job, the early, the first stage in being a mystic in religion is getting a grip on yourself.

01:38:18.060 is taking all of these drives, all of these urges, all these emotions that are like this multitude of beings within you

01:38:28.700 and strapping them all together into a coherent whole.

01:38:35.500 So the first septenary, the top row, is all about the gross physical realm.

01:38:42.700 So, the magician, who has mastered all four elements, the masculine principle of mastery, mastering the physical world.

01:38:57.120 Then you've got the high priestess, the intuitive half.

01:39:02.580 This is managing the emotions, the polarities, the holistic.

01:39:09.140 You've got the left brain, then you've got the right brain.

01:39:15.700 This is followed by the Empress.

01:39:19.220 The Empress is Mother Nature.

01:39:22.520 It's the social context within which we all exist.

01:39:29.260 Mother Nature can be a bitch.

01:39:33.020 She's followed by the Emperor.

01:39:36.720 This is the Patriarchy.

01:39:38.640 So if she is the we culture from the four quadrants, actually, literally, the first four cards of the tarot are the I, individual, and the I, no, no, sorry.

01:40:00.060 It's actually I-environment, mastering the environment, and then the I-individual, mastering the emotions.

01:40:09.980 And the next card is the we-culture, followed by the we-institutions.

01:40:23.280 literally the first four cards of the tarot

01:40:29.960 I did not plan this

01:40:31.360 the first four cards of the tarot

01:40:33.260 perfectly mimic

01:40:35.040 what Wilbur is talking about

01:40:37.700 now wait a minute

01:40:43.700 wait a minute

01:40:44.180 Wilbur also talks about the four types of love

01:40:49.180 there's the

01:40:51.540 The self-love of differentiation, the lower love of integration, the upper love of participation, and the horizontal love of combination.

01:41:09.580 Guess what? The last three, they fit this as well.

01:41:12.920 So, first two are the integrative love, being an individual.

01:41:21.540 The second two are becoming, are integrating the lower.

01:41:31.020 Then you get the Hierophant integrating the higher, right?

01:41:36.240 Like following the religious law.

01:41:39.880 And then the Lovers is the Horizontal, finishing with the Chariot.

01:41:48.360 now the chariot

01:41:49.860 is

01:41:52.140 power

01:41:54.040 you notice the two

01:41:56.400 the white sphinx and the black sphinx

01:41:58.440 they're pointed in different directions

01:42:00.460 but they're

01:42:02.360 harnessed

01:42:03.100 the seventh major

01:42:08.460 arcana is when he's got

01:42:10.240 a grip on himself

01:42:11.620 when you're finally grown up

01:42:13.660 you control your emotions

01:42:15.020 you've got a grip on yourself

01:42:17.640 stage two uh sorry what did i call those things septenary the second septenary

01:42:29.440 of the tarot card is when you leave the gross physical and you enter the astral the subtle realm

01:42:41.280 so we start off with strength strength is a really interesting card because what is it

01:42:46.660 It's a woman restraining a lion.

01:42:56.500 It's not Hercules restraining a lion.

01:43:00.380 It's a gentle woman.

01:43:03.000 It's gentleness restraining strength.

01:43:11.300 Followed by the lonely hermit.

01:43:13.300 the one that's lost

01:43:16.800 in the wilderness with no support

01:43:18.760 next you have the wheel

01:43:22.140 which is just time grinding forward

01:43:25.200 the process, everything is process

01:43:27.900 constant change

01:43:29.320 then you get justice

01:43:34.780 which you know we were talking about

01:43:39.220 Plato's Republic earlier

01:43:41.440 They're like, what is justice?

01:43:43.140 Is justice just that we've got to split the bill on the pizza?

01:43:48.840 Or is there some higher principle of justice?

01:43:52.040 Do the gods expect something from us?

01:43:54.660 Do they demand something from us?

01:43:56.440 Is there this higher self that we need to be pursuing?

01:44:02.880 Then you get the hanged man.

01:44:04.960 The joyous saint being crucified.

01:44:07.960 You get Christ on the cross.

01:44:09.220 You get Odin on the world tree.

01:44:15.460 You get initiation.

01:44:20.920 You get death.

01:44:23.520 The card of change, the card of preceded by sacrifice, is the cost.

01:44:30.740 There is a cost to being initiated.

01:44:33.400 and then temperance

01:44:38.240 the angel of temperance

01:44:40.700 the first line

01:44:44.520 was about mastering the physical world

01:44:47.360 the second line

01:44:50.540 is the astral

01:44:52.040 when you master the astral world

01:44:53.820 you have temperance

01:44:56.660 at the end of it

01:44:58.320 you just have that

01:45:01.920 Temperance is not a challenge to you.

01:45:06.320 It's what you are.

01:45:11.180 And the final

01:45:13.640 septenary

01:45:17.380 what a great word, septenary

01:45:20.500 is the final three stages

01:45:24.820 of waking up.

01:45:31.920 The Devil and the Tower.

01:45:39.280 The Devil is usury.

01:45:50.480 It's addiction to the senses.

01:45:53.060 It's pleasure.

01:45:57.640 Voluntary enslavement.

01:46:01.920 the the interesting thing about the devil card is that it's not an evil it's actually kind of a

01:46:12.460 beyond good and evil card like the two the the two that the imp and the impess with the chains

01:46:21.080 around their neck the chains are loose enough they could take them off they are voluntarily

01:46:26.080 chained. They're pretending

01:46:27.380 to be chained.

01:46:34.820 It's a bodybuilder

01:46:36.780 enjoying an ice cream

01:46:38.540 cone.

01:46:39.720 A bodybuilder enjoying

01:46:41.860 ice cream is not enslaved.

01:46:45.400 He's just

01:46:46.320 pretending to be.

01:46:48.700 Making passionate love

01:46:50.260 to your lawfully wedded wife is not

01:46:52.260 enslavement to desire.

01:46:54.220 Quite the opposite.

01:46:56.080 depending upon the context the devil is one of the least evil cards like every other card is

01:47:06.320 part of the process but if you get the devil in some context it's like you know exactly what

01:47:11.800 you're doing followed by the tower and no it's like these are the only two black cards

01:47:21.440 which also goes the black of the causal the infinite void of the causal the infinite

01:47:30.900 potentiality the tower the surface reading is all plans coming to ruination

01:47:37.740 but notice two things first of all who are the two figures falling out of the tower

01:47:46.400 the red and the blue

01:47:47.900 that's the magician

01:47:50.800 and the high priestess

01:47:52.440 that's the

01:47:55.340 physical world mastery

01:47:57.380 and emotional world mastery

01:47:58.960 getting kicked out of the garden of Eden

01:48:01.880 notice something else

01:48:04.980 do you see all those little yellow dots

01:48:07.560 around them

01:48:08.620 that

01:48:10.880 those yellow dots are the Yod

01:48:13.780 from Yahweh

01:48:15.840 that's not divine punishment

01:48:21.760 that's divine opportunity

01:48:24.220 do you think God wanted us to spend

01:48:31.460 all eternity

01:48:32.700 being innocent waifs

01:48:35.300 in the Garden of Eden walking around nude

01:48:37.900 no that's boring

01:48:40.660 getting kicked out of the Garden of Eden

01:48:43.280 is the greatest thing that ever happened

01:48:44.760 so the first two cards of that third row that's level three

01:48:59.200 infinite possibility it's the most fun you'll ever have man being in a tower being a slave to

01:49:08.460 Satan, best thing ever. Most fun.

01:49:10.460 Getting kicked out of it. Boom!

01:49:13.320 You get to level four

01:49:14.560 of the eternal witness.

01:49:22.700 And we've got three really weird cards here.

01:49:26.440 We've got the star,

01:49:29.480 which is dreams and inspiration.

01:49:35.900 You've got the moon, which is psychic ability.

01:49:38.460 You've got the wolf and the dog and even a creepy crawly from the depths, from the subconscious, all coming up to worship the moon, to understand this higher calling.

01:49:53.800 And then you've got the sun, you've got Christ riding upon a horseback.

01:49:57.780 and then you've got

01:50:04.720 the fifth

01:50:05.620 the fifth layer

01:50:09.000 the complete waking up

01:50:10.640 got judgment

01:50:14.160 so

01:50:15.840 two monks

01:50:20.360 were

01:50:21.960 were traveling together

01:50:24.000 and they encountered a river

01:50:26.300 where there was a small woman that was, she was too small to make it across the river.

01:50:33.280 The first monk, holding true to his vows to never touch a woman, ignored her and walked across the river.

01:50:40.560 The second monk put her on his shoulders, walked across the river and put her down.

01:50:48.720 Sometime later, the two monks were still walking.

01:50:50.720 And the first monk said, brother, why did you touch that woman?

01:50:57.680 The second monk said, my brother, I put her down miles ago.

01:51:03.880 Why are you still carrying her with you?

01:51:09.980 In the eternal present, do you still carry the sins of the past?

01:51:14.980 Do you accept divine grace?

01:51:17.980 Do you accept forgiveness, or do you carry the past?

01:51:27.720 Judgment.

01:51:31.220 What an interesting name for a card about liberation.

01:51:36.700 Judgment and liberation, two sides of the same coin.

01:51:47.980 A monk went to the great master and said, Master, why, why did the Buddha come east to China?

01:52:06.640 and the master said

01:52:11.980 do you see that laurel bush

01:52:17.660 over there

01:52:18.560 and the student said master don't

01:52:25.140 answer spiritual questions

01:52:28.040 with physical examples

01:52:30.540 and the master said I didn't

01:52:32.880 and then

01:52:48.440 the final card, the world

01:52:50.660 the integration, enlightenment

01:52:53.300 followed by

01:52:55.700 the enlightened fool

01:52:57.580 zero starts

01:53:00.380 and zero begins

01:53:01.680 this is

01:53:09.340 also

01:53:10.360 the pattern of the

01:53:13.320 original Star Wars trilogy

01:53:15.400 squint your eyes

01:53:17.980 and look

01:53:18.520 Luke Skywalker begins

01:53:27.880 as the fool

01:53:28.560 and he ends as the divine

01:53:31.660 fools surrounded by friends.

01:53:39.500 Those movies were initiatory.

01:53:53.580 Alright, now let's catch up with some of these comments.

01:54:01.660 oh boy it's going on for a little bit there wasn't I

01:54:31.660 There we go, all the gods, aren't you Catholic?

01:54:43.660 Right, which is something I need to tie this together with.

01:54:56.620 Okay, so they aren't human, says gods, meaning angels and demons, I'm guessing.

01:55:01.160 yes that's the interesting thing about the astral

01:55:04.900 is that it's all about where you're looking

01:55:09.080 you can look up or you can look down in the astral

01:55:13.380 and you'll find what you find

01:55:16.640 you know what's in there

01:55:20.940 whatever you bring with you is what's in there

01:55:22.920 it's a grand mirror

01:55:25.760 man

01:55:27.460 I read

01:55:39.300 it was an audio book

01:55:42.120 so I heard

01:55:42.820 Manly P. Hall

01:55:46.740 makes the argument

01:55:48.100 that Satan was man's invention

01:55:51.360 and I dare say he's correct

01:55:53.280 about that

01:55:54.120 this is part of shadow work

01:56:03.080 when you're graduating from three

01:56:07.720 which is power seeking to four

01:56:09.960 which is rule following

01:56:12.000 what you're supposed to do

01:56:17.100 is integrate

01:56:19.260 all the power

01:56:20.720 find the correct place for all the power

01:56:23.300 But very, very few of us do that.

01:56:25.320 It happens at a very young age, usually.

01:56:28.820 Three to four is right about when you're hitting puberty.

01:56:35.220 So, number one, you're getting all of these new instincts coming online.

01:56:41.140 At the same time, you have these new rules coming online.

01:56:44.000 It creates a lot of either you push something away and you bury it,

01:56:51.680 or you obsess over it.

01:56:55.940 I would say in particular the kids these days,

01:56:59.320 with all the drugs and sexual celebration,

01:57:02.800 have become obsessed over a lot of sexual instincts.

01:57:09.100 As opposed to integrating them and putting them in their proper place.

01:57:13.220 And so a lot of what we call demons

01:57:16.980 are actually just our alienated instincts.

01:57:21.680 sex and violence are part of who we are

01:57:27.000 you're not getting rid of them

01:57:28.820 they're the same thing

01:57:30.520 so the argument that Satan

01:57:37.060 was man's invention

01:57:39.060 not God's

01:57:40.100 that tracks with me

01:57:41.980 I'm really liking this manly P. Hall guy

01:57:45.440 he seems to know what he's talking about

01:57:47.180 the abyss is infinite potential

01:57:55.900 where all potential arises

01:57:57.320 yes the abyss

01:57:59.660 is beautiful

01:58:01.360 the abyss is pure bliss

01:58:04.280 like the big danger

01:58:07.440 of stage

01:58:09.340 three is that you might

01:58:11.620 just want to stay there

01:58:12.800 we're going to get to that shortly

01:58:16.560 you shouldn't stay you want to get to five because when you get to five you're still at three

01:58:26.320 okay and by the way i'm not saying i've glimpsed five i think i think i'm not quite sure

01:58:33.380 when you can find bliss in doing your job every day

01:58:39.540 while still being on the physical

01:58:44.380 oh i just turned out well i guess that's part of the reason i wanted to bring up the tarot cards

01:58:51.540 and and star wars right like star wars episode one you start off with luke skywalker is a kind

01:58:57.420 of a dink but by the end he blows up the death star which is completely the chariot

01:59:02.760 at the end of that star wars episode two he's he's he's forced into this or sorry episode uh

01:59:09.220 five he's forced in this deep interest introspective journey where he screws everything up

01:59:13.860 right he meets uh he's got strength that he needs to control he meets the hermit on dagobah

01:59:19.420 he's got the wheel of time he's got the justice he gets initiated he meets death and then finally

01:59:26.260 at the end he finds temperance like this this brokenhearted like i'm wise but it hurts he's

01:59:32.580 got temperance. And then the third

01:59:34.640 one literally starts off with him being

01:59:36.580 the devil. He

01:59:38.440 walks into Jabba's palace as the devil.

01:59:41.920 He

01:59:42.280 smashes

01:59:44.720 the tower.

01:59:47.560 They have all this

01:59:48.620 playful, weird stuff

01:59:50.720 and then he...

01:59:52.360 Yeah. It's no accident.

01:59:57.280 George Lucas was

01:59:58.540 really tapping into something with these movies

02:00:00.640 and the reason everybody

02:00:02.500 likes the second movie more than the third, I think it's largely

02:00:06.600 because the third is a little bit too esoteric.

02:00:11.860 The second movie is just the right amount of

02:00:14.480 esoteric. That you're kind of like, oh, it's not just about lightsabers,

02:00:18.760 man. It's about him figuring

02:00:22.440 out his destiny, man. Whereas the third one is

02:00:26.420 the Bodhisattva mowing his lawn.

02:00:32.500 let's hear from my boy the emperor

02:00:47.380 you know i'm a brief brief comment a lot of people

02:00:55.220 have emperor issues

02:00:59.280 the emperor's always going to be there like the emperor is the cops are a dick

02:01:07.960 like red light cameras like the cops are always going to be a dick for as long as humans exist

02:01:16.740 on this planet cops are going to be dicks the empress is women are all bitches man

02:01:25.800 women are

02:01:27.140 you are always going to be subject

02:01:29.660 to mother nature

02:01:31.520 like it or not

02:01:36.720 all humans that ever exist

02:01:38.940 will be subject to mother nature

02:01:41.280 all humans that ever exist

02:01:44.180 are gonna have to deal

02:01:46.060 with traffic cameras

02:01:48.300 that's the empress

02:01:49.700 that's the emperor

02:01:50.400 this is just the basic structure of reality

02:01:52.920 card number one

02:01:55.540 get good. Card number two, sort out your emotions. Card number three, figure out how to get along

02:02:01.580 with others. Card number four, figure out how to not get caught. And after you figure those four

02:02:10.000 things out, once you master the four quadrants, then you get to the hierophant. What is the higher

02:02:14.880 purpose in life? You get to the higher purpose, you find a lover, and then finally you master

02:02:21.080 your chariot

02:02:22.040 let's see

02:02:32.840 Master Mahan

02:02:33.900 I'm so looking forward to it

02:02:35.840 Master Mahan and I are going to be doing a podcast

02:02:38.280 in the next few days or something

02:02:41.000 we haven't planned it out

02:02:43.440 specifically but I'm really really

02:02:45.020 looking forward to it

02:02:46.260 alright

02:02:47.900 Neekrdancer says

02:02:49.720 imperial chinese jay magic crystal bullshit the chinese figure it out listen to ebay auctions

02:02:55.160 not blue-haired women uh word i can't say is trash says i like to watch the cows outside the window

02:03:10.920 at work they just like me they are they totally are man we're all just these funnels of perception

02:03:19.000 and all

02:03:19.340 awareness

02:03:24.080 is a singular

02:03:27.040 without any plural. Something like that.

02:03:31.480 Joe Dagger.

02:03:33.460 Ten bucks, man. Thank you.

02:03:36.120 Good to see you on YouTube.

02:03:37.200 I didn't expect your channel to get reinstated.

02:03:38.780 Start falling after I found Roosh nine years ago.

02:03:41.920 Do you know what he's up to?

02:03:42.540 I think he is genuinely

02:03:44.160 he is probably in the absolute

02:03:46.620 blissful realm right now.

02:03:49.000 I know that we're getting serious into Eastern Orthodox Christianity

02:03:54.640 from a very genuine place.

02:03:57.920 And I haven't heard anything else from him.

02:04:02.260 I'd really like to shake his hand someday, you know?

02:04:05.260 He's a good man.

02:04:14.720 Let's see.

02:04:16.140 Goydestroyer says,

02:04:16.980 Making love and enjoying ice cream.

02:04:18.240 Why waste your time with this nonsense instead of achieving enlightenment?

02:04:22.320 Because that's what you do after you achieve enlightenment.

02:04:26.620 When Luke Skywalker transcends the Emperor, redeems his father, and sees the Force ghosts,

02:04:34.740 he goes and hangs out with his friends.

02:04:38.100 That's what you do with enlightenment.

02:04:48.240 They aren't humans as eternal bliss is its own type of hell.

02:04:50.980 Yeah, they, the, that's one of the, there's a lot of pitfalls on this journey, and one

02:04:58.660 of them is falling into eternal bliss.

02:05:03.920 I mean, if eternal bliss were the purpose, then the Garden of Eden.

02:05:12.900 Enlightened physical deniers when I eat the entire pizza by myself.

02:05:18.240 necrodancer says please pray for six hex and hammer he is dying he may be a pirate vampire

02:05:27.260 wizard but jesus bless his heart uh i haven't kept up with him you know for a pirate vampire wizard

02:05:36.880 he never did any evil to me

02:05:48.240 i will pray for him i i will pray for his health and and his his well-being and

02:05:57.440 any of you folks out there you know toss your prayers into it too

02:06:01.960 he's never done any evil to me he's never done any evil to anybody as far as i can tell

02:06:06.400 in fact i say he's done a fair bit of good despite being an itchy boy

02:06:13.240 master mahan says we kind of stumbled ourselves into the same idea from both directions yes

02:06:31.820 absolutely everything i'm talking about in this stream is from all directions it's it's literally

02:06:38.480 from all directions this is not like my opinion man this is when you talk to mystics throughout

02:06:46.100 the world this is what you find this is the map um that there are do angels are are angels made of

02:06:56.540 multiples concentric circles of eyeballs or is it a dude with 10 000 arms okay the the hindus

02:07:04.520 and the Christians disagree on that point.

02:07:07.880 But what they all agree with

02:07:10.360 is at what elevation of the mountain

02:07:13.380 you meet these angels at.

02:07:18.660 That's the, there are universal components

02:07:22.620 that are so much more significant

02:07:26.120 than the individual differences.

02:07:34.520 Okay, let's get to the last part of this live stream, which is, why does any of this matter?

02:07:46.540 The first part I already touched on, which was, as you go up in stages, states are the waking up, stages are the growing up.

02:08:00.720 The more grown up you act, the more responsible, the better your life is.

02:08:07.920 If you pay your bills on time, you'll get a good credit rating, and then you can get a new car for cheap, okay?

02:08:14.780 So, like, grow up, dickhead.

02:08:19.420 But then we get to the waking up.

02:08:24.700 which was so challenging to describe

02:08:29.060 because

02:08:29.480 hitting state

02:08:32.080 hitting state number two

02:08:34.460 is incredibly rare

02:08:38.100 and that's what most of us think about

02:08:41.760 mystical experience

02:08:43.000 but there's three more states above that

02:08:45.120 and this is what's behind

02:08:54.280 the unique dissociation between the West and the East, as well as some of the most

02:09:07.440 enlightened in the West are the least religious.

02:09:11.560 in the east

02:09:19.460 they pursued waking up

02:09:23.740 at the expense of growing up

02:09:27.640 most of the east

02:09:34.300 is still at stage 4

02:09:38.500 the mythic, the traditionally religious,

02:09:43.620 the racist, the patriarchal.

02:09:53.040 And yet they're at the highest levels of waking up.

02:09:58.000 So you get this really weird situation.

02:10:00.380 I need to toss this back on screen.

02:10:02.080 so right here uh we we talked about the growing up the growing up is the y-axis

02:10:12.800 the the magic like the the baby the baby that thinks mommy could turn the brussels sprouts

02:10:21.240 into chocolate if she wanted to because she's magic to the the integral which is the really

02:10:27.380 socially advanced state

02:10:29.280 versus the

02:10:32.140 socially advanced

02:10:34.720 stage.

02:10:38.020 On the x-axis

02:10:39.400 we have the states of consciousness.

02:10:41.720 The gross,

02:10:43.300 the subtle illumination, that's

02:10:45.020 the gods and the spirits

02:10:46.900 and the being true to yourself

02:10:49.220 and the inspiration.

02:10:51.480 You get the causal dark night

02:10:53.460 and then the non-dual

02:10:55.380 unification.

02:10:57.380 stages 4 and 5 are being

02:11:00.040 put into stage 4

02:11:02.080 right there

02:11:03.760 sorry states 4 and 5

02:11:06.220 are being compressed into

02:11:07.440 state 4

02:11:08.580 so if we took the east

02:11:17.540 in general

02:11:18.440 they are at

02:11:21.760 mythic

02:11:25.600 that their highest achievers

02:11:28.200 are at mythic non-dual.

02:11:33.020 Whereas our highest achievers

02:11:35.160 are at subtle

02:11:38.440 integral

02:11:40.740 at best.

02:11:48.940 And as for the church,

02:11:50.940 Christ was a mystic.

02:12:13.380 Christ existed

02:12:21.240 in a culture that was largely

02:12:24.920 mythic

02:12:26.360 mythic is

02:12:31.760 my tribe is bigger than your tribe

02:12:35.180 Achilles wants to be

02:12:37.960 the guy

02:12:39.180 and that's the environment

02:12:43.320 that Christ grew up in

02:12:44.620 and you can spot that every so

02:12:49.460 often in the Bible

02:12:51.540 that

02:12:51.840 he's a bit

02:12:55.440 of a racist isn't he

02:12:56.820 what is it

02:13:03.380 the Samaritan woman

02:13:05.460 touches his robe and says who did that

02:13:07.180 his default assumption is

02:13:11.740 he's just there for the Jews

02:13:13.320 he's an ethno-nationalist

02:13:15.740 like everybody else was

02:13:17.820 back then

02:13:18.440 and so his kind of

02:13:21.860 knee-jerk reaction

02:13:22.960 is

02:13:24.360 stage 4

02:13:27.540 ethno-nationalism

02:13:29.520 but after his stage 4

02:13:33.020 knee-jerk

02:13:33.880 he immediately ascends

02:13:35.280 i hope i have a few heathens listening to this i have a lot of respect for heathens

02:13:49.100 i don't condemn them one thing i'd like to emphasize

02:13:53.920 is that the christ of the old testament which it's not exactly it's not a videotape for crying

02:14:01.700 out loud okay it's it's a document written 2 000 years ago written by people with a bias

02:14:09.940 but despite that bias christ is a very smart character he's a very high iq character

02:14:19.420 the pharisees constantly try and trap him in logical conundrums and he finds a sneaky

02:14:29.840 smart way out every single time this woman is committed adultery oh yeah

02:14:37.400 what he who is without sin cast the first stone

02:14:46.360 should we pay taxes to Caesar or not whose faces on those coins Caesar well

02:14:55.560 render unto Caesar what belongs to

02:14:57.520 Caesar. I'm here on behalf of

02:14:59.560 the Lord.

02:15:02.360 That is

02:15:03.500 smart. That's a smart

02:15:05.560 character.

02:15:08.380 That's a high

02:15:09.560 IQ character.

02:15:13.700 I think we've all seen enough

02:15:15.420 smart characters written

02:15:17.520 by stupid writers

02:15:18.860 these days to recognize

02:15:21.300 a very, very high IQ

02:15:23.020 well-written character.

02:15:25.560 He smarts his way out of traps.

02:15:32.640 And despite being at a stage four mythic, racist, patriarchal civilization in a world that was racist and patriarchal,

02:15:43.620 he's radically not that, even if his kind of default state is that.

02:15:49.260 Like, Christ was a mystic.

02:15:51.120 Christ was a very advanced mystic.

02:15:55.560 And yet, the Western church was institutionalized.

02:16:04.380 It became a power broker.

02:16:09.860 Creating a very interesting opposite scenario in Europe.

02:16:15.040 So, in the East, government had no challenges.

02:16:21.900 Government wanted to rule.

02:16:25.560 And so it got everybody up to the mythic stage.

02:16:29.740 Follow the rules, worship the rules.

02:16:35.560 But they didn't advance past that.

02:16:37.380 However, on the state stage, on the waking up stage, we actually got real, true mysticism.

02:16:50.420 And so you've got a high-level mystic.

02:16:55.560 who's also a low-stage ethno-supremacist.

02:17:01.860 We had the opposite thing happen in Europe,

02:17:07.220 where, although Christ was a high-level mystic,

02:17:13.200 we locked our religion into the mythic stage.

02:17:18.520 Christianity

02:17:24.380 and Judaism

02:17:26.500 are at the mythic level

02:17:29.420 see if I went to a Buddhist

02:17:37.180 if I built a

02:17:39.460 time camera

02:17:40.660 a camera that could see back through time

02:17:43.640 and I proved to them

02:17:46.860 that, well, actually, Buddha didn't spend 30 days

02:17:51.320 meditating under the Bodhi tree.

02:17:54.660 It would not matter to them.

02:17:58.840 That's not, like, who cares?

02:18:00.840 Who even cares if Buddha literally existed?

02:18:04.120 That's not important to Buddhists.

02:18:08.240 While mythically walking on water

02:18:11.100 is crucial to Christianity.

02:18:16.860 and our Christian mystics have tended to be very upsetting to Christianity

02:18:24.460 because they tend to come to the conclusion that all of us are Jesus Christ.

02:18:36.420 The four quadrants?

02:18:40.220 Let me take that image off.

02:18:42.940 the four quadrants

02:18:45.460 the individual self

02:18:48.600 is Christ

02:18:50.260 the plural

02:18:53.140 the you

02:18:53.780 is God the Father

02:18:56.260 and the Holy Spirit

02:18:58.600 is the it's

02:19:00.580 the external

02:19:03.240 world of manifestation

02:19:04.860 and Christian mystics

02:19:12.540 all tend to achieve Christ consciousness

02:19:14.780 which is very disturbing

02:19:16.540 for the powers that be.

02:19:24.300 So while the East developed high

02:19:26.580 state level,

02:19:28.640 we locked our state level

02:19:30.600 in at the mythic level

02:19:32.580 and then built a bureaucracy

02:19:34.760 on top of it

02:19:35.820 which demanded

02:19:37.580 high consciousness levels.

02:19:42.540 which is why religion is dying in the west

02:19:51.420 it's because we've got a bronze age religion

02:19:58.360 for a society that's just about to hit integral levels

02:20:02.460 and it's it's so damn difficult to be believe in the christianity that we have

02:20:11.780 because it's a very, very primitive Christianity,

02:20:14.300 and we're three stages above it.

02:20:17.240 You know, go back to the rational level.

02:20:21.260 Okay, like two or three hundred years ago,

02:20:23.640 like rational really started to take over,

02:20:26.100 and so many of the archaeologists, the geologists,

02:20:30.200 they were studying Christianity in an attempt to prove it true.

02:20:35.880 They believed that we could apply scientific reason to make the Bible true.

02:20:41.780 and in some cases it worked

02:20:44.820 with the abstract stuff like the Big Bang

02:20:46.800 but not with the other

02:20:50.740 details

02:20:51.360 and thus the difficulty

02:21:03.900 that we have with establishment and religion

02:21:11.780 so let's see

02:21:16.200 you know what

02:21:16.860 I'm going to take

02:21:17.200 another bathroom break

02:21:18.020 I'll be quick

02:21:19.940 then let's get to

02:21:20.480 some of the comments

02:21:41.780 .

02:22:11.780 You know what, let me bring up one more reason why this matters.

02:22:41.780 so when we were talking about the

02:22:45.700 stages

02:22:47.400 of development I stopped at 7

02:22:49.740 I mentioned that

02:22:51.620 Wilbur goes up to like 12

02:22:53.720 15 depending on how you want to measure it

02:22:55.900 and the whole time I'm reading this book

02:22:59.880 I'm listening to the audio book I'm thinking about

02:23:01.800 Yuval Harari

02:23:02.700 you know that crazy son of a bitch

02:23:07.560 in charge of the United Nations

02:23:09.140 he's going to reprogram all of us

02:23:11.580 to love big brother that guy i am trying to suss out what's going on with that guy and

02:23:21.640 i haven't

02:23:24.940 i had a flash of insight that i don't completely comprehend and i'm not certain it's correct but

02:23:34.500 I think he might be

02:23:36.780 at

02:23:37.160 level 3 of 9

02:23:40.720 I think I might

02:23:42.700 almost have it. I think I might almost

02:23:44.740 know what's going on with him. The guy is

02:23:46.560 extremely high level

02:23:48.220 with a particular

02:23:50.560 dysfunction

02:23:51.260 Imagine somebody level 4

02:23:58.480 of morality

02:24:00.740 Imagine a level 4

02:24:02.360 Christian that he's

02:24:03.980 a deeply honest person

02:24:06.340 he's very committed to his community

02:24:08.480 hard work, like a really

02:24:10.280 really decent human being

02:24:12.080 but also imagine

02:24:14.560 he's got latent homosexuality

02:24:16.440 which he's completely repressed

02:24:18.820 because he hasn't hit five or six

02:24:23.080 he's not pluralistic

02:24:25.000 he believes in the literal

02:24:30.640 Bronze Age mythology

02:24:32.800 of do this or we kill you.

02:24:39.640 And so he's actually a really,

02:24:41.080 like fundamentally he's a really good person.

02:24:45.800 Okay, so he's a homosexual.

02:24:47.240 Minor flaw, not a big deal,

02:24:48.880 except because he's so locked in at level four,

02:24:53.320 this sexual repression

02:24:55.420 comes out in all manner of destructive ways.

02:25:02.800 not even the one you're thinking about

02:25:05.960 maybe he's just a really sadistic boss

02:25:08.120 because he's so

02:25:11.940 sexually repressed

02:25:13.160 his frustration comes out

02:25:15.660 as authoritarian sadism

02:25:18.140 whereas if he

02:25:19.980 could just

02:25:20.540 grow up a little bit

02:25:23.280 and accept that okay

02:25:25.540 I guess I don't really fit in

02:25:27.420 to the mold perfectly

02:25:29.040 I'm not the

02:25:31.460 ideal Christian.

02:25:37.820 I'm going to take this part that doesn't

02:25:39.520 quite fit in. I'm going to keep it

02:25:41.520 to a dull roar.

02:25:44.300 Evenings and weekends

02:25:45.520 only.

02:25:48.580 Instead of

02:25:49.380 integrating that part of himself,

02:25:52.020 he suppresses it

02:25:53.680 and it causes a backlash.

02:25:57.620 And so you wind up with a really

02:25:59.720 cruel boss

02:26:01.920 for a totally

02:26:04.060 unrelated reason.

02:26:07.360 I think Yuval Harari is something

02:26:09.940 very similar. He's got such a

02:26:11.960 profound insight into

02:26:14.060 the way the mind works.

02:26:16.040 And it is in such utter

02:26:17.840 denial about the existence

02:26:19.760 of spirit.

02:26:21.820 I think I've almost got him nailed.

02:26:27.220 And a large part of that is

02:26:29.020 that our spiritual understanding in the West

02:26:33.600 is retarded.

02:26:38.120 In the East,

02:26:40.200 their social understanding is retarded.

02:26:43.520 Most of them are at level four.

02:26:46.760 About half our population is above that.

02:26:54.920 And that's why this stuff matters.

02:26:56.920 All right, let me check some of these arguments, these comments.

02:27:18.240 What I think is strange that my Protestant family refused to even try to understand my ways and my beliefs,

02:27:24.500 whereas I, myself, am more Russian, Serbian, not Earth.

02:27:27.120 That's, um...

02:27:29.620 Alright, so stage...

02:27:32.200 We're talking about stage four.

02:27:37.380 Is it four? Yeah.

02:27:38.520 Four of traditional morality.

02:27:43.560 When you've got a misbehaving kid,

02:27:46.980 or a misbehaving adult,

02:27:49.200 which is even worse, because they can do some serious damage,

02:27:52.880 You really hammer the rules down on them.

02:27:56.560 No, do this, don't do that, or else we hit you with a stick.

02:28:04.820 Which, if the child has not grown to fourth stage morality by the time they ought to have,

02:28:13.800 that's kind of our remedial method.

02:28:16.420 Do this or we put you in jail, mate.

02:28:22.180 So, part of the problem is that we built such good control structures that were meant for the people below that, and we started applying them to the people above that.

02:28:40.320 if you are above stage 4

02:28:52.020 if you're at 5

02:28:53.180 if you're at 5

02:28:56.880 you shouldn't just do whatever you feel like

02:29:01.820 don't throw out stage 4 morality

02:29:04.880 don't tear down Chesterton's fence

02:29:07.300 understand why the fence was there

02:29:09.780 this is the big problem with level 6

02:29:15.480 is they want to tear down all the fences

02:29:17.220 and anybody can do whatever they want

02:29:19.220 all the fucking time

02:29:20.360 and then society falls apart

02:29:21.980 somebody at level 6

02:29:24.920 doesn't want to burn down anybody else's house

02:29:27.320 everybody at level 3 does

02:29:32.100 which is why we need level 7 integral

02:29:36.940 But yeah, there's a big problem of level 4 having such a strong center of gravity

02:29:45.760 that drags people back from level 5 into level 4.

02:30:01.160 Gord Destroyer asks,

02:30:02.400 Why ought we grow up?

02:30:05.180 Perhaps stagnation is fine.

02:30:06.740 who say that the astral and mystical is

02:30:08.640 sorry, so that was a miscommunication

02:30:11.120 the astral

02:30:12.480 mystical, like all of that

02:30:14.940 that's waking up

02:30:16.040 it's waking up to the nature of consciousness itself

02:30:27.160 and the reason you should

02:30:31.080 do it

02:30:31.600 is because of the

02:30:34.800 incredible bliss that you feel the so i spent the past three weeks

02:30:43.620 just over three weeks actually working night shift

02:30:49.420 for boss that was kind of a dick but actually the reason he was kind of a dick

02:30:57.820 is because I had, well, still have,

02:31:03.580 unresolved trauma from my childhood.

02:31:05.440 Boo, hoo, hoo, hoo.

02:31:07.940 It was an immense opportunity for growth.

02:31:12.220 Like, he actually wasn't a dick.

02:31:14.480 He was like, do the job right.

02:31:18.900 And that reminded me of the time

02:31:20.600 that my dad was really mean to me

02:31:22.520 and it fucked me up in the head

02:31:23.880 until I said, you know what?

02:31:24.960 This is an opportunity for growth.

02:31:27.820 How about you don't be a faggot?

02:31:31.480 How about you don't make excuses, and how about you just do the fucking thing?

02:31:37.500 And then the guy that was a real dick, turned out he liked me.

02:31:43.140 And holy shit, I just went through some major personal growth.

02:31:47.060 And they're paying me money for this!

02:31:53.880 And then a few more weeks, and so I'm on these night shifts.

02:31:56.440 I mean, like, dealt away brain patterns the whole time, barely sleeping, listened to audiobooks, internalizing, rewriting my own code, learning to perceive time as an internal present.

02:32:16.600 so I've had a transformative

02:32:26.460 three weeks

02:32:27.520 while getting paid pretty fucking

02:32:30.340 damn well

02:32:31.260 and I'm in a really

02:32:36.280 good mood

02:32:36.940 like honestly like the

02:32:40.180 worst part of right now

02:32:42.000 is that I'm really really

02:32:44.020 tired because I just came

02:32:46.200 off night shift um i kind of want to be sleeping but i i wanted to do a podcast for you guys and

02:32:52.480 i've got work to do tomorrow like that's that's the worst part like i'm just feeling fantastic

02:32:58.560 right now not only was i getting paid quite well for three weeks i did immense personal

02:33:08.640 intellectual and spiritual growth during those three weeks that's why that's why it's worth it

02:33:16.180 is because I could have had a shitty, awful three weeks.

02:33:24.160 I'm out in the cold, my feet hurt, my boss is a dick,

02:33:29.720 this job is unstimulating.

02:33:40.240 But instead I feel like I went through like five years of transformation.

02:33:46.180 into closer to, like, the true self that I want to be.

02:33:57.140 That's why.

02:33:59.260 That's why this stuff matters.

02:34:01.460 It's because you will like yourself more on the other side.

02:34:07.800 If you show up for work every day,

02:34:10.460 and you don't get fired,

02:34:12.740 even if your job sucks,

02:34:14.520 you will get a paycheck.

02:34:16.180 and then you can get a better job.

02:34:25.000 Applied transformation of reality, my brothers.

02:34:30.020 I mean, you want to be an alchemist.

02:34:32.520 Learn to do chemistry.

02:34:36.860 Transform yourself, transform reality.

02:34:44.620 And by the way, go ahead, Destroy.

02:34:46.180 That wasn't meant to be insulting.

02:34:48.400 That was a great question.

02:34:51.060 Thank you for that question.

02:34:53.040 Not trying to condescend to you at all.

02:34:58.720 Just live with dogs and a wine.

02:35:00.600 I mean...

02:35:01.800 Gordy George says, I'd argue that render to Caesar

02:35:20.740 where Caesar's is high wisdom, not high key.

02:35:22.840 I was, um, I was having a,

02:35:27.460 I've been getting a lot

02:35:32.480 out of the AIs.

02:35:38.800 And so I was trying to

02:35:40.520 argue with the AI.

02:35:43.780 See, I ran

02:35:44.240 into a video arguing that Christ is high IQ

02:35:46.620 because those are high IQ arguments.

02:35:48.820 Those are very clever ways

02:35:50.480 of dodging the land

02:35:52.580 mine and winning

02:35:54.520 the argument.

02:35:55.120 And so then I started arguing with the AI that actually Christ was at the mythic level of spirituality.

02:36:01.660 And it made some pretty convincing arguments that no, he wasn't.

02:36:09.260 The Gospels.

02:36:16.540 Let's put it this way.

02:36:17.940 If you look at War of the Worlds.

02:36:20.700 War of the Worlds is a story where Martians invade Earth

02:36:26.480 but then, and we can't fight them

02:36:29.860 their lasers are so much better than our guns

02:36:32.120 but then, oh look

02:36:34.700 disease killed all of them

02:36:37.500 this was

02:36:42.700 completely inspired by the discovery of viruses

02:36:47.500 It was completely inspired by the understanding of how disease worked at the beginning of the 20th century.

02:36:57.960 And it was also completely inspired with guilty reflections upon European colonialism.

02:37:08.100 It's such a clear product.

02:37:12.320 To such a point that if you make the movie nowadays, it's kind of silly.

02:37:17.500 Sort of like how in the original Spider-Man narrative, it was gamma radiation

02:37:23.780 that turned the spider into a magic spider that bit him and turned him into Spider-Man.

02:37:32.180 Whereas in the movie I saw 20 years ago, instead of gamma radiation, it was genetic science.

02:37:47.500 anybody could write

02:37:54.780 the Gospels nowadays

02:37:57.080 it's not impressive

02:38:00.400 these days

02:38:01.660 writing the Gospels

02:38:05.940 2000 years ago

02:38:07.380 was genuinely impressive

02:38:09.840 this is why we call it the Axial Age

02:38:12.640 the

02:38:16.600 the Iliad

02:38:22.080 points out that forgiveness is necessary

02:38:27.600 if we want to have civilization.

02:38:31.940 That's what Christ points out.

02:38:37.240 Buddha is a little bit different,

02:38:38.700 but all of these religions that appear during the Axial Age,

02:38:42.720 yes the statements are banal in today's world

02:38:48.600 i i'm i'm speaking to the heathens here so you guys know i don't hate you

02:38:58.400 i've been criticizing the church this whole stream for crying out loud

02:39:02.780 these were profound statements and the heathens were making the same statements there there was

02:39:09.640 this mass collective

02:39:11.200 ascension happening.

02:39:16.320 And it got institutionalized

02:39:18.120 into ways that are very obnoxious.

02:39:20.080 Granted.

02:39:22.860 Don't throw out

02:39:23.780 the baby with the bathwater.

02:39:35.360 Christ was

02:39:36.600 very

02:39:39.000 spiritually

02:39:39.920 and psychologically aware.

02:39:43.860 Bare minimum, you gotta say that.

02:39:46.160 I also think the Shroud of Turin

02:39:47.320 is pretty solid evidence that he literally

02:39:49.020 came back from the dead.

02:39:54.500 Although I'd also say

02:39:55.500 Christ is a Buddha nature.

02:40:02.160 Something I wanted to touch on.

02:40:04.760 So

02:40:05.160 one of the things Wilbur points out

02:40:10.760 I may

02:40:12.740 mangle this a little bit

02:40:14.360 so if you know more about this

02:40:16.840 than I do and I get it wrong I apologize

02:40:18.580 but it's kind of a good primer

02:40:20.140 there have been

02:40:22.240 three stages of

02:40:24.760 Buddhism so far

02:40:25.660 the first is the

02:40:30.200 Hinayana

02:40:32.420 the original Buddhism

02:40:34.720 which is a mythic level Buddhism

02:40:37.860 that says the world is suffering

02:40:39.880 ascend

02:40:41.340 the second is

02:40:46.260 Mahayana

02:40:47.020 which is where we go

02:40:50.300 from mythic to rational

02:40:52.220 which says

02:40:54.020 the world is suffering

02:40:55.240 ascend

02:40:57.040 and then help others ascend

02:40:59.520 be a bodhisattva, be socially responsible

02:41:02.320 and they've got

02:41:06.360 Vajrayana

02:41:08.240 which is the pluralistic

02:41:11.080 everybody's got their own path

02:41:14.660 and Wilbur argues that Buddhism is on

02:41:20.540 the eve of its fourth turning

02:41:23.020 which is the fourth turning which is not the same

02:41:26.240 as Strauss Howe generational cycle at all

02:41:29.680 fourth turning is that

02:41:32.120 we must encourage the Buddha nature in all beings.

02:41:38.460 All beings must ascend

02:41:40.740 and should be allowed to ascend

02:41:42.680 and we should all help them all ascend.

02:41:56.780 You know, we're hitting a stage of potential.

02:42:00.100 potential social organization

02:42:02.740 where we turn the whole society

02:42:05.060 into

02:42:06.840 turning people into saints?

02:42:09.820 See, I say that.

02:42:10.700 I say turn people into saints.

02:42:12.700 Doesn't that sound brutal?

02:42:14.580 Doesn't it sound like you need to give up sex?

02:42:16.680 You need to give up whiskey

02:42:18.300 and

02:42:19.280 calling liberals F-words?

02:42:23.260 You gotta give up all those

02:42:24.560 basic pleasures of life.

02:42:30.100 No, actually, you don't.

02:42:40.420 On the one hand, you will find that so many of these things that strike you as pleasurable, they're like candy bars when you were a kid, right?

02:42:55.920 Like, honestly, I would genuinely prefer, like, a tasty steak dinner or, like, chicken veggies to a shitty candy bar as an adult.

02:43:09.740 Like, I genuinely prefer that most of the time.

02:43:16.240 It doesn't mean I don't enjoy eating.

02:43:19.740 It doesn't mean I've renounced the pleasure of tasty food.

02:43:27.340 It's that it's more refined.

02:43:29.240 Like, I still have the pleasure.

02:43:30.920 Like, it's still really, really good when I make chili.

02:43:34.700 It's fantastic.

02:43:36.300 It's so much better than the candy bar was when I was a kid.

02:43:38.940 Like, there might be some nostalgia for the simplicity of that flavor.

02:43:48.840 But I genuinely prefer the steak.

02:44:03.800 So these are genuine advancements that we're undergoing.

02:44:10.000 now let me catch up with some more comments here oh wait

02:44:22.140 there we go there we go

02:44:31.300 all right that was goy destroyer asking why should we grow up

02:44:38.640 because

02:44:41.000 steak actually does taste

02:44:43.580 better than candy bars

02:44:44.540 but you should enjoy

02:44:51.780 candy bars

02:44:52.500 don't hate yourself

02:44:55.920 for enjoying chocolate

02:44:57.200 man, it's not

02:44:59.660 either or, it's both

02:45:01.920 it's transcend

02:45:03.900 and include

02:45:05.100 okay, when you get to the higher

02:45:07.640 It's not about saying no to the lower level.

02:45:10.860 It's about putting the lower level in a better place.

02:45:16.660 Another metaphor would be kids on Halloween gorging themselves on shitty chocolate until they have a stomachache.

02:45:26.760 Versus adults having a nightcap of chocolate.

02:45:32.360 Of really good chocolate and savoring it.

02:45:35.580 and then having sex

02:45:37.980 Recovering Libertarian says

02:45:53.400 I'm really liking this stuff, I don't really get it

02:45:55.840 but it's really interesting

02:45:56.780 Brother, that's exactly how I felt reading this book

02:45:59.580 Part of the reason I wanted to do the live stream

02:46:03.380 was to force myself to understand it well enough

02:46:06.460 to explain it to you guys.

02:46:08.280 And it's been an uphill struggle.

02:46:11.260 So if you're not understanding it, that's okay.

02:46:13.700 You are going to understand it.

02:46:16.620 Like we're making the pathways

02:46:20.560 that will become roads.

02:46:29.020 So Return Freedom says, question,

02:46:31.080 Why Catholicism over Orthodoxy for you?

02:46:39.960 Great question.

02:46:42.920 Or, fair question.

02:46:45.000 I should say fair question.

02:46:46.380 That is a fair question to ask.

02:46:49.280 And

02:46:49.800 the reason

02:46:57.140 the reason I got baptized

02:47:00.560 is because I had a major imbalance at the mythic level.

02:47:08.900 So, I was pretty darn good at the rational level.

02:47:16.760 At the rational level, you won't commit crimes

02:47:20.740 because it's just irrational to commit crimes.

02:47:24.820 Why? Like, that's only idiots commit crimes.

02:47:28.300 Right?

02:47:30.560 so I'm pretty good at not being a criminal

02:47:34.420 but there's aspects

02:47:38.360 of the mythic

02:47:40.700 like each one of these stages

02:47:46.460 connects to the ultimate

02:47:47.620 and when it comes to committing crime

02:47:55.700 somebody at the rational level is less likely to commit crime

02:47:59.340 Like, somebody at the Mythic might get into a bar fight and go to jail over that because of preserving their honor.

02:48:09.500 While somebody at the Rational would say, you know what, this ain't worth my time.

02:48:14.820 I'm not doing that. I don't care what you think about my honor.

02:48:23.560 And so the Rational's better.

02:48:25.100 but there's some places where the rational

02:48:29.640 doesn't connect to the divine

02:48:33.640 as well as the mythic

02:48:34.800 and so I did something very scandalous

02:48:45.120 when I was younger

02:48:46.620 I slept with a married woman

02:48:50.080 fell madly in love with her

02:48:52.020 made another fool out of myself

02:48:53.880 I was more catalyst

02:49:01.900 than causal agent

02:49:04.900 but I still made a fool of myself

02:49:08.160 and realized, you know what, I am not better than morality

02:49:12.380 transcend and include

02:49:17.320 you never become better than it

02:49:20.080 you're never better than chocolate

02:49:25.380 you're never better than sex

02:49:28.700 you're never better

02:49:32.320 than following the damn rules

02:49:35.420 you just get more complex

02:49:40.320 and I realized that there was a part of me

02:49:46.660 that needed the discipline of traditional morality

02:49:49.580 that needed a whole bunch of the mythic.

02:50:00.320 And at one point it did become a toss-up

02:50:02.820 between Orthodox and Catholic.

02:50:08.160 And part of the deciding factor

02:50:10.300 is that Catholic is my tradition.

02:50:13.860 Catholic is my bloodline.

02:50:15.220 Catholic gives me fewer excuses

02:50:19.620 You don't want to be a cafeteria Christian

02:50:28.540 Picks and chooses what you like

02:50:32.060 If you're gonna do it, do it right

02:50:45.220 So, it's pretty evident that I am somewhat of a heterodox Catholic at this point, but I'm forced to acknowledge that.

02:50:58.500 whereas

02:51:03.180 if I were orthodox

02:51:05.820 I could maybe pick and choose

02:51:08.060 between patriarchs

02:51:09.860 I could get opinionated

02:51:11.960 about translating

02:51:13.740 from Russian

02:51:14.700 whereas when it comes to Latin I speak the damn language

02:51:18.160 so I'd better follow the

02:51:19.620 vernacular

02:51:20.880 there is value in being part of a tradition

02:51:31.340 yet you need to know the rules

02:51:33.500 before you can break the rules

02:51:35.820 I hope that was a useful answer

02:51:43.840 because it was a great question

02:51:50.880 I missed it. Are we talking about Peter Thiel?

02:52:00.120 I have no idea what that's in response to, but...

02:52:04.120 return freedom

02:52:15.580 I've read

02:52:19.220 some of Father Serafin Rose's

02:52:21.640 works

02:52:22.040 I enjoy and respect the works

02:52:25.620 I don't want to spread

02:52:27.620 calumny

02:52:28.320 about him

02:52:30.240 I've also heard what you're saying

02:52:32.880 well I guess I might

02:52:35.200 Seraphim Rose

02:52:37.480 was a homosexual turned away

02:52:39.420 from it and went into seclusion as a hermit

02:52:41.580 yeah I've heard some

02:52:44.480 I don't know what to think

02:53:02.880 I'm not sure what to think.

02:53:12.780 And I've got zero interest in

02:53:15.200 getting on top of my high horse

02:53:19.320 and condemning people for

02:53:23.980 sins that I'm not tempted to.

02:53:30.340 And I believe that

02:53:32.100 every single one of us is a

02:53:38.280 a fragmented shard of God

02:53:40.680 like every one of us is

02:53:42.220 we are all the same thing

02:53:48.260 looking at ourselves in a mirror

02:53:50.820 thou art God

02:53:53.740 or if every minimum

02:54:00.280 Thou art a soul created by God.

02:54:05.760 Thou art my brother.

02:54:13.580 So if there are lessons to be learned from his sin, then let us learn those lessons.

02:54:21.820 If there was a great evil committed, then perhaps execution is the correct procedure.

02:54:30.280 if somebody wants to express their spiritual struggles to me

02:54:42.560 on a personal private level

02:54:45.140 then I'm all ears

02:54:46.220 but I don't want to condemn

02:54:50.640 I mean I'll happily kill a man

02:54:56.760 but don't ask me to condemn him

02:54:58.200 max

02:55:11.520 matwell says 35 year old 35 years of age and enlisting to the army i have an environmental

02:55:21.500 science degree no criminal record ship in four weeks am i making a mistake

02:55:28.600 Christ, man, I don't fucking know.

02:55:35.720 Brother, roll with it.

02:55:38.720 Roll with it.

02:55:40.740 You're having a fucking experience, my friend.

02:55:43.980 You are goddamn doing something.

02:55:53.640 You are fucking doing something.

02:55:57.600 shit 35 2 god damn that you're not making a mistake

02:56:07.040 you're disrupting the pattern

02:56:10.900 it would be so god damn easy to just do it brother go with that

02:56:18.420 you know when you're on a roller coaster and it's like it's it's oh click click click click

02:56:27.500 yeah you're on the roller coaster man

02:56:29.680 you're on the trip

02:56:31.260 roll with it

02:56:33.060 God bless

02:56:33.920 I'll pray for you

02:56:38.540 guys

02:56:41.080 pray

02:56:41.760 for Max Matwell

02:56:43.860 pray that he have

02:56:48.540 great adventures

02:56:49.580 or a truly heroic

02:56:53.220 death

02:56:53.820 one or the other

02:56:57.540 Pray for one or the other.

02:56:59.780 I think you'll enjoy both.

02:57:07.240 Now you're not making a mistake.

02:57:09.760 That, that, that is definitely not a mistake.

02:57:19.740 Worst case scenario, it's going to be interesting.

02:57:26.560 Okay, wait, wait, okay, so Gord Destroyer says, I'm asking why to get a coherent answer other

02:57:51.340 than

02:57:51.820 because good things are good.

02:58:09.020 That's kind of tautological.

02:58:10.520 Like, why should you advance

02:58:12.800 spiritually or morally?

02:58:17.440 Why not just be a guy in prison?

02:58:21.340 I would say the reason is

02:58:30.700 because the games they play in prison

02:58:32.880 are stupid games

02:58:35.200 with crappy rewards.

02:58:41.700 Like the top tier prizes in prison

02:58:44.980 are don't get raped

02:58:47.540 and get to rape

02:58:51.120 a femboy.

02:58:58.400 Given that

02:58:59.360 Don't Get Raped is the default

02:59:01.480 state out of prison,

02:59:04.200 and

02:59:04.680 max opportunity,

02:59:07.420 have an actual

02:59:09.440 woman squirt for you,

02:59:11.680 it seems

02:59:15.500 like a better game.

02:59:19.080 Whatever stage of reality

02:59:20.860 you're on. You are still playing a game.

02:59:23.580 The question is risks

02:59:25.000 and rewards. What's the

02:59:27.060 worst outcome? What's the best

02:59:28.880 outcome?

02:59:39.500 You could liken it to

02:59:41.000 the stages

02:59:42.180 or how much you're gambling

02:59:48.040 on the game. Like, where are the

02:59:50.640 stakes of the game.

02:59:53.360 Well, the stakes

02:59:54.320 are why

02:59:56.580 you're playing the game.

03:00:00.840 Oh, that metaphor doesn't

03:00:02.300 totally work.

03:00:20.640 I mean, ultimately, the reason that you should

03:00:25.180 is that on the next layer,

03:00:29.300 whether we're talking about stages or states,

03:00:33.900 the payoffs are higher

03:00:35.820 and the costs are less.

03:00:43.760 And by the way, please don't mistake

03:00:45.740 the present feminized society

03:00:50.420 as the same thing as high stage.

03:00:57.400 It's not.

03:01:01.280 And we absolutely need to bring back dueling.

03:01:09.420 Oh, and Go ahead and short it says,

03:01:11.620 not even trying to be a dick.

03:01:13.620 Oh, dude, not a dick.

03:01:15.540 Great questions.

03:01:19.180 To reiterate,

03:01:20.420 Going to the next level makes the game more interesting.

03:01:25.680 It makes the game more strategic.

03:01:28.720 It makes the payoffs richer.

03:01:31.900 It also reduces the number of losers.

03:01:38.540 Base Evolution has a lot of losers.

03:01:41.240 It's not a very nice game, even if winning is awesome.

03:01:44.480 what we're kind of doing

03:01:48.580 what reality is doing

03:01:49.940 is we're building a better payoff matrix

03:01:52.460 where even if you lose you still win

03:01:56.460 that's pretty cool

03:01:58.000 it's pretty cool to have a payoff matrix

03:02:00.840 where even losers are winners

03:02:02.220 we are gradually colonizing this reality

03:02:06.940 in the name of Hyperborea

03:02:08.640 and blessing everything

03:02:10.920 turning everything holy

03:02:13.060 Okay, this is something I have to read.

03:02:33.660 with other scholastics we would not have had the austria austrian school of economics

03:02:41.680 although i'm a pagan i have yet to observe libertarianism similarly develop

03:02:45.980 in non-western civilizations it's difficult to share that observation with non-christians

03:02:51.980 without coming across as thundered for jeez yeah which is what i'm trying to do

03:02:56.860 with with this stream all the comments just disappeared on me

03:03:01.600 you know if we're climbing a mountain

03:03:09.260 at the top of the mountain

03:03:11.400 is God and ourselves

03:03:13.480 and on one side

03:03:17.520 we got really good at grappling

03:03:19.100 and the other side we got really

03:03:21.040 at something else right

03:03:22.600 the idea that the two sides should be

03:03:27.100 enemies is utterly ridiculous

03:03:29.260 oh all right what happens to i reload the tab can i reload the comments

03:03:40.320 yeah i've seen a few arguments between friends of mine

03:03:51.960 that I just don't want to intervene

03:03:57.300 because these aren't productive arguments.

03:03:59.480 They're not real arguments.

03:04:02.160 Not useful.

03:04:14.160 Oh, goodness.

03:04:15.220 Where did all the comments go?

03:04:21.960 Reloading the tab.

03:04:34.720 Go to my channel.

03:04:51.960 There we go.

03:04:56.200 Okay, we're back.

03:04:58.140 Tab crashed out.

03:05:17.460 Let me catch up to the comments.

03:05:21.960 Yeah, without the Scholastics.

03:05:27.180 Okay, so the...

03:05:29.220 I mean, that's exactly it.

03:05:35.080 All of these esoteric concepts we have of pre-market capitalism

03:05:40.360 actually do derive from the Scholastics

03:05:44.780 who were obsessively analyzing a mythic level of Jesus Christ.

03:05:51.960 Well, Jesus Christ himself was, we have strong evidence to believe the guy was a serious mystic, if nothing else.

03:06:08.860 And this weird imbalance between waking up and growing up created the whole scholastic discipline.

03:06:17.700 you know

03:06:22.060 sometimes it's the guy that

03:06:23.740 seriously screwed up

03:06:26.360 and went to prison

03:06:27.120 that can tell you a thing or two

03:06:29.860 about loyalty

03:06:30.660 these are all things

03:06:35.800 we should be learning

03:06:37.020 from one another

03:06:38.960 not fighting

03:06:40.940 with one another

03:06:42.880 some of us in the west

03:06:52.840 are trying to deal with this

03:06:55.500 spiritual nihilism

03:06:56.760 by going back to the church

03:06:59.740 and discovering the best within it

03:07:01.640 others

03:07:03.700 are rejecting the church

03:07:07.480 and throwing themselves

03:07:10.340 into the field of chaos

03:07:11.780 and trying to find the best within it.

03:07:16.140 And we are not enemies.

03:07:18.320 We should not be enemies.

03:07:22.400 Our disagreements should be honorable and respectful.

03:07:36.240 Same goes for Buddhism.

03:07:39.540 These are not our enemies.

03:07:41.780 these are our fellow

03:07:44.740 seekers

03:07:45.760 I mean we're in this

03:07:49.340 god damn material reality

03:07:51.320 where

03:07:52.880 we have to eat every day

03:07:55.020 or else we fucking die

03:07:57.040 and also

03:07:59.300 we have weapons that can blow up

03:08:01.420 half the planet

03:08:02.440 kind of in a weird place

03:08:07.320 right now

03:08:11.780 Some genuine empathy and sympathy from our highest level members, that's a good idea.

03:08:41.780 All right, let's see if it...

03:08:47.780 X-Gore Destroyer.

03:08:49.780 I'm asking if you can provide epistemic justification, perhaps.

03:08:53.780 Still unsure in knocking ideas around the next layer.

03:08:56.780 The payoffs are higher.

03:09:01.780 Is it wishful thinking?

03:09:11.780 brother that's the sort of question

03:09:25.520 that you can only answer by doing it

03:09:27.740 for yourself

03:09:28.500 I got good news

03:09:33.500 the answer is yes

03:09:41.780 two hours and ten minutes

03:09:46.440 that's actually a perfect fucking place to end things

03:09:49.260 existence is fucking terrifying

03:09:59.420 but the good news is

03:10:02.980 the answer is yes

03:10:04.060 and furthermore

03:10:11.700 every historical curve

03:10:17.900 looks like this

03:10:20.640 every single one

03:10:22.620 neuron density in minds

03:10:25.660 number of species on the planet

03:10:27.580 you name it

03:10:31.060 they all look like that

03:10:33.940 this is

03:10:40.980 destiny, folks.

03:10:43.400 You are destined to become

03:10:45.660 enlightened.

03:10:54.860 Enjoy the ride.

03:10:59.080 This is Irini.

03:11:04.320 Out.

Leo D.M.J. Aurini - January 19, 2026

SATW Livestream 2026-01-18 - Discussing Ken Wilber's ＂The Religion of Tomorrow＂

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