In this episode of The Echo Hour, host Davis Arrini is joined by the lovely Hayth Roon to discuss the manosphere, feminism, and the lack of empathy for women in the modern world, and how to empower women.
00:00:56.700It just follows the natural dominance hierarchy.
00:00:59.060So what I've observed is that if an interest, shall we say, wants to completely dominate and ultimately destroy a people, it first takes out its best men, its superior men, and that in turn leaves only the inferior men.
00:01:18.060Now, inferior men, they can't get laid to save their lives, unlike the superior males.
00:01:25.820So they will cater to the whims and wants of women.
00:01:31.060So what the inferior men do is then indulge women, essentially, in what they want.
00:01:38.560And we've seen that in the West, voting rights and so forth.
00:01:42.400so then you destroy the women which is easy enough to do once you've destroyed all the men
00:01:48.900and then the women in turn destroy the children either literally through abortion or just not
00:01:54.240having them or they ruin them emotionally and spiritually and then ultimately the children
00:01:59.540destroy themselves and you'll either a completely eliminate a a bloodline in that way or you will
00:02:07.980make it um so pliable and malleable uh that it just becomes a drone species at that point that
00:02:15.080you can imprint with whatever programming you want yeah and what struck me about this
00:02:21.300is that most of that is just manosphere 101 like you go back to rod fetters he talks about
00:02:27.740how you start off well he missed the first step you start off by empowering the women against the
00:02:35.040men, you empower the lower against the higher, because the higher has a natural protective
00:02:40.680instinct of the lower. And when you empower the lower against the higher, you know, the higher
00:02:47.640doesn't know what the hell to do, because men don't hit women. And so when you raise women up
00:02:52.100to men's level, they are prone to hit men. And so it started off with feminism, divorce law, etc.
00:02:59.120And after they did that, what we've been seeing for the past 20 years, and it's been growing,
00:07:46.600But I think you were talking about how the men that bred, the betas, the cowards, the weak men, they create a generation of weak men that bent over for feminism.
00:08:02.760right but but what i said was that um the the men who actually built civilization in the first place
00:08:10.040who would have been the alphas the best of the best they were the gatekeepers of that civilization
00:08:15.640they held that power so at some point they must have made the decision to give over that power
00:08:22.600to their lessers that was their mistake they gave that over to those who did not earn it
00:08:27.560and then those who did not earn it do what people who do not earn do which is they squandered it
00:08:34.160they misused it they abused it they they began to tear civilization apart well this this connects
00:08:40.520to the title of the live stream uh warrior society versus mercantile empire you know guys let's uh
00:08:46.640let's nerd out for just a second here because i know every single one of you plays civilization
00:08:50.900five and the social policies there's two social policies in the game the honor stream and the
00:08:58.720mercantile stream now again civilization is a game there's an end game to it you know you want to win
00:09:07.140so typically if you're trying to do a domination victory you'll go the honor route but forget about
00:09:13.080the winning the game and think about what is implied by the system because it's even right
00:09:17.220here in the game uh what there's two significant factors that you get from honor there's the
00:09:24.060there is the warrior code sorry yes yes space dog i love you heavy breathing on the arini stream
00:09:35.060it's the interruption hour we're gonna raise the kundarini oh exactly i think i uh
00:09:43.240I think my shekel rods are going to be out of sync for this one.
00:09:49.980Okay, what the hell was I trying to say?
00:09:51.900Military tradition gives your units 50% more experience,
00:09:56.420and military caste adds happiness and culture to each city that has a garrisoned unit in it.
00:10:03.220So your military units aren't just for waging war.
00:10:07.280First of all, there's just a benefit to having them.
00:10:09.880And second of all, what happens in Civilization V when you get experience for your units is they become significant factors.
00:10:20.960They become vital resources that you don't want to lose.
00:10:27.260So if you're doing the honor tradition or you're doing the honor policy, you know, and you get this really badass army, it's like, yeah, you use it to put down barbarians here and there.
00:10:37.980and yeah there's benefits to waging the occasional minor land war to get concessions from your
00:10:45.200neighbors but you do not want to sacrifice your men your men are too damn important
00:10:50.340right like you this is a good general his men are too damn important to sacrifice them on a
00:10:56.180suicide mission now contrast that to the commerce the commerce policy stream
00:11:04.740One of the bits you get with commerce is mercenary army, which allows you to purchase really cheap lands necks.
00:11:15.260Basically, cheap cheeser soldiers, and you don't care whether they live or die.
00:11:23.340And this is just a long way of going about how warrior societies, societies that have an honor code, tend not to actually be that violent.
00:11:34.740It's the mercantile societies that wind up being violent, that wind up treating people like cheap, replaceable units, both in the workplace and on the battlefield.
00:11:47.000It was Steele that pointed this out initially, by the way.
00:11:49.880And you guys should also go subscribe to his channel because he just interviewed Aethroon recently and he's got great interviews over there.
00:11:57.060Yeah, I had fun. It was a great interview. Definitely some good stuff we talked about. So check that out.
00:15:02.420allowed something like feminism to take over.
00:15:04.440right i don't think it was a plan but it's you know you do one you get the other
00:15:09.960and we allowed this poison into our civilization
00:15:14.840and as a result yeah i was listening to some MGTOW videos earlier today
00:15:24.120and hey you know i feel for these guys like some of the stories are just absolutely brutal
00:15:31.980You know, the one I was listening to was the guy was a lawyer. All right. He was a good lawyer. He'd actually managed to get some case law in his state changed. And yet his wife decides to divorce him anyway and just just destroy the guy, destroy him psychologically, alienate his daughters from him, etc.
00:15:51.620now if this this guy 50 years ago that wouldn't have happened right because you still had alpha
00:16:01.580men in charge of things he's not an alpha man but he is a good beta right he's one of the people
00:16:09.720that build civilization and we want those people to have wives because if they don't they stop
00:16:14.720building civilization for us right in the present era with no alpha men in charge it's the problem
00:16:22.700is guys like him in charge and he does not have the cojones to keep his woman satisfied and keep
00:16:31.440his family in line no these guys let their women run roughshod over them and listen when when you've
00:16:39.440got a the top when you got the top 20 in charge that's okay right the top 20 will straighten
00:16:46.620everybody else out but when that top 20 is gone then everybody gets run over by this so you know
00:16:55.860MGTOW is certainly not the solution okay refusing to have children or reproduce is sure as hell not
00:17:03.900the solution for how we restart our civilization oh no it's just a knee-jerk reaction to feminism
00:17:11.300at the same time i can't really blame them no no i mean now you know why i have very
00:17:18.740little to do with the other members of my sex well most women i mean most men need guidance
00:17:28.500but i'd say even more uh women women need a strong man around there's the woman that can
00:17:36.340be her own rock be her own anchor is incredibly exceptional
00:17:42.820i would say it's about as exceptional as the sort of man that can turn down sex
00:17:52.260so yeah especially need that rock and when they're not tethered they just they fly free
00:17:58.500Yeah, well, I mean, the average man or woman is a creature of his or her appetites.
00:18:29.160It's a rejection, a rebuttal of the movie Super Size Me, where this dirty, smelly hippie decides he's going to eat at McDonald's and film a documentary.
00:18:39.360And oh, my God, it almost gave him a heart attack and he got fat.
00:18:44.480Well, this other guy who's big on the paleo diet decides he's going to do a movie called Fathead, where he eats nothing but fast food and loses weight over a month.
00:18:54.100okay was he just eating like meat and cheese and no bread
00:18:58.900the one thing he wasn't doing is he didn't supersize things and he drank diet soda
00:19:06.900okay so he cut the sugar out most of the sugars essentially exactly and his point was that like
00:19:13.760listen uh you know a mcdonald's hamburger isn't the healthiest thing in the world
00:19:17.740but it's really not that bad i mean it's mostly fat and protein exactly it's when you get the
00:19:23.92032 ounce soda that you get fat right and he did some basic workouts just just walking
00:27:06.760Chad is actually, Chad is the sad product where, so women start off being, they're disappointed because there's no alpha men in charge, or at least there's not enough alpha men in charge.
00:27:22.720you need a certain percentage you know like like one conan cannot deal with a hundred thousand
00:27:30.320person mob of of beta males trying to impose communism all right not not even conan can survive
00:27:38.080that you need many conans you need a ring of kings and their trusted companions to work together to
00:27:46.960solve those problems precisely you need a certain percentage of alpha men i mean like you know
00:27:53.200ronald gregan might be a great example of this he is a complete failure as a president even though
00:27:58.960you know i never knew the guy obviously but he strikes me as an alpha sort of a guy
00:28:04.160that was surrounded with beta male sneaks so best of intentions accomplished nothing
00:28:10.000yeah a lot of those guys that you describe as chad i think are just effeminate
00:28:16.880all they they they literally are it's yeah it's an addiction to pleasure that's what effeminacy
00:28:22.720means in the theological sense that you're addicted to pleasure yeah exactly all it is is just some
00:28:28.080some good genetics you know they look good they've got the v taper to their uh to their
00:28:33.200frame you know to their body and so forth but that's it that's all they've gotten i mean
00:28:38.560they haven't earned anything you know an alpha male has great genetics but he's also achieved
00:28:46.640great things so it's the funny this is the funny thing is that when you get these alpha males in
00:28:54.560charge they tend to pacify not pacify it's the wrong way they stabilize society meaning which
00:29:02.160which means there are less women available for them and so right now because there aren't enough
00:29:07.840alphas to control society, the people that do have alpha qualities have women thrown at them
00:29:14.020constantly. And a lot of these guys that should be leaders of men are instead completely distracted
00:29:20.460by the endless revolving door of pussy coming into their apartments. Yeah.
00:29:29.040And I imagine, I mean, I'm not a man, but I imagine that it's got to be hard to say no to
00:29:34.600that no matter how disciplined you are so how can you be focused on building anything when you're
00:29:41.320constantly distracted by that yeah and believe me i know a lot of guys like this that you know i
00:29:51.800can't i can't it's if i tell them to stop it sounds like a really negative thing right it's it's like
00:29:58.460i'd like to see them focusing on better things like but it's you want a mistress fine all right
00:30:05.040but get a wife first put some babies in her all right we need more alpha babies yeah go you have
00:30:11.560your mystery and of course his wife will put up with it of course well if she even do it all
00:30:16.760together yeah i mean i i know i'm gonna catch flack for it but i'll just come out and say it
00:30:21.400i mean a good woman will be accepting of that she will understand she will also understand that
00:30:28.380doesn't threaten her interests the main thing is don't make a fool of her right it's when you make
00:30:35.740a fool of a woman that you hurt her women don't like to have the same sort of sexual jealousy that
00:30:41.260men have well and for good reason right because a man's interests are threatened by the uh by
00:30:51.100another man having sex with his woman but a woman's interests are not threatened by another woman
00:30:57.820having sex with her man. It's when a man falls in love with and is economically investing in
00:31:04.800another woman that her interests then become threatened. So women are always cautious of
00:31:13.420the other woman who's trying to take her man away and get him to economically and emotionally invest
00:31:19.840in her, whereas the man feels threatened when there's other men looking to bed his woman.
00:31:28.540Leo the Great sends a $5 US super chat and asks what my favorite saint is and my favorite channels on YouTube.
00:31:42.480Maid of Orleans, however you pronounce that.
00:31:47.400Like I said, I know I was going to catch some flack for that, and I see somebody saying, yeah, she'll understand.
00:31:51.960Look, most women have come up in this society where they've been taught that they are entitled to exclusivity, and they've also been allowed to indulge their greed.
00:32:03.820So, of course, they're going to throw up a fuss.
00:32:09.220It takes a woman who has done some self-work and has some self-knowledge and understands natural law and evolutionary psychology and accepts all these things and is willing to work within that system.
00:32:21.600for the best interests not only of herself and her family but also society as a whole that that's
00:32:27.920an extraordinary woman i'm you know i'm not going to try to suggest that there's a ton of them out
00:32:31.900there but if she is that then she will be accepting of it well i think uh guys what you need to
00:32:38.860i'm not promoting that you cheat on your wife i don't have a huge issue if you have two women
00:32:45.360and you support both of them and their children don't have a huge issue with that uh i'm not
00:32:50.140encouraging this but why do the women reject it and the reason is not because you're making a fool
00:32:57.640of them it's not because it's it's wounding them emotionally it's because most of the time
00:33:03.420it's because they're greedy and if she's greedy she's also going to be greedy about the fact that
00:33:10.460you're volunteering for i don't know the local shriner's league right she won't want you to do
00:33:15.680that these are the sort of women that after you give them two kids start pushing you to have a
00:33:20.720vasectomy right not not because not for her sake she wants to have a vasectomy so that you can't
00:33:27.360get other women pregnant so that she can divorce you and she now has your only children held
00:33:33.500hostage okay there's a greedy motive behind it it's not a good motive not to cheat on your wife
00:33:41.080but most of the time when a woman doesn't want a man to have a mistress there are greedy
00:33:46.120motivations behind it yeah that's a keen observation um i didn't even think of that you
00:33:51.480must came up came up with that one on your own but yeah and you also have to understand that um
00:33:57.240oftentimes women are not conscious of their motives so even though she may be uh sort of
00:34:04.680setting a man up for this type of situation and she may be doing it intentionally she may also be
00:34:11.240doing it unconsciously she's not aware that she's doing it and that may that greatly benefits from
00:34:18.920not knowing their own motives yeah give them plausible deniability and and just to wrap up
00:34:25.080what i was going to say this uh this lack of consciousness this unawareness can make a woman
00:34:31.480seem completely innocent to the guy because he will find no lie in her eyes because she's not
00:34:38.920aware of what she's doing exactly that that's why women i swear to god women have developed
00:34:46.120the ability to lie to themselves extremely well now when things hit the bricks they stop lying
00:34:53.880to themselves immediately they immediately become creatures of practicality oh yeah and guys this
00:35:01.160is why i would strongly encourage you to to have a wise keen-sighted woman close to you in your life
00:35:10.600like as a friend and let her check out all your girlfriends let her check out anybody who you are
00:35:17.160considering uh marrying because she will see things i guarantee it she will see motive where
00:35:23.960you may not because you'll be blind to it but she'll see it and she'll point it out and she may
00:35:29.720save you you know an absolute disaster if you listen to her and you know what you also listen
00:35:36.560as a man you can't when she points something out look for it don't trust her blindly you know
00:35:44.740because it's equally as possible that you could have met a psycho and she's just trying to make
00:35:48.980you miserable by destroying a good relationship but if she points something out look for it you
00:35:53.900need to prove it to yourself you need to be you're the one responsible for this all right if somebody
00:35:58.520gives you advice you have to test this advice for yourself you don't follow their advice then blame
00:36:04.520them when it doesn't work out and and say oh there's that echo of course go ahead
00:36:12.200um and the same thing uh in reverse too so uh for the for the ladies you know make sure you've got
00:36:20.600a guy in your life who you really trust who's a good friend who can point out uh which you might
00:36:26.840not see in the guys you're dating or a guy you're considering maybe um becoming sexual with he'll
00:36:33.640be able to point out behaviors that um that you may not be aware of so it's just good to have that
00:36:41.160you know i i started a new thing for patreon backers called uh the the workshop
00:36:49.720and the the one i did was talk about how you should test the men you know and you know i need
00:36:55.560need to amend part of that because i said like one of the five points that you should test these men
00:36:59.800you know can i trust these men can i trust them in a pinch can i trust their advice
00:37:04.080one of them was can they get laid because a guy that can't get laid will betray you at the drop
00:37:10.420of a hat for pussy all right so true asking a guy who can't get laid to stick with you rather than
00:37:19.320sniff after the tot is like asking a woman to side with you over her children all right that's
00:37:25.800that's his genetic legacy right this guy can't get laid okay one girl you know squirted pheromones
00:37:31.920at him he's gonna be all over that this is his only chance to ever breed right of course he's
00:37:37.660gonna betray you but you know there's a second part of this that i didn't even think of until now
00:53:50.500so on to this there's an article that um you know let me let me give the guy credit that
00:54:02.920they uh tossed it up on my discord it was uh a giant faggot barbecue
00:54:10.660i've never actually read his name before
00:54:16.860but he talked he tossed up this article and it is titled let me just find it here
00:54:24.320academic activists send a published paper down the memory hole
00:54:29.540now listen guys we were talking last week about how roosh v had his books pulled off of amazon
00:54:37.840and you know i'm not even going to indulge in any of this it's a private company like fuck off
00:54:43.600His books were taken down off of Amazon because they were popular and because Roosh's books are advocating for traditional masculinity, all right?
00:54:55.200They're helping guys be self-sustaining men.
00:55:01.680They're teaching men not to be thirsty, and the system doesn't want that.
00:58:45.320But it turns out, and I was reading this a few years back, somebody developed a mathematical model where a whole bunch of independent agents using very little processing power can organize to flock.
00:59:07.140In fact, if you ever watch footage of people driving in the third world, very few accidents, given that there's no traffic laws whatsoever.
00:59:17.580It's kind of beautiful, actually, watching these flocks of motorcycles and buses and no traffic control, and yet they all make it through the intersection.
00:59:28.240That said, you do get hundreds of deaths every year.
00:59:32.040But it's amazing that you don't get more.
00:59:34.080so we never had a model for this this guy uh theodore hill develops a model that proves it
00:59:43.600or it demonstrates how it would work in a mathematical sense so this is wonderful and
00:59:50.520people that saw this like oh this is amazing we've had this this question's been sitting on
00:59:56.320the shelf for a century and a half and you just answered it this is freaking amazing you need to
01:00:01.780publish this. And so he's all set up to publish. It's a very long story. I'm not going to go
01:00:07.060through all the details, all the names. Basically, one woman that runs a women's mathematical
01:00:14.400organization, she decides that this mathematical theorem is going to hurt women's feelings,
01:00:23.280and then women might not want to get into math. And so she enlists her father, because of course,
01:00:28.780like women never attack themselves they get some other guy to attack they get the father and the
01:00:35.140father writes the journal and they they completely destroy he finally gets it published three years
01:00:40.740later after removing other guys names off fix they don't want the harassment and it gets published
01:00:45.700and then a week later it's gone it's not retracted it's just gone that doesn't happen
01:00:55.300okay it's one thing to go back to the stalin metaphor it's one thing to fire one of your
01:01:04.300lieutenants because he misbehaved it's a whole other thing to pretend he never freaking existed
01:01:11.980in the first place and there's a reason that stalin memory hold people okay when when you
01:01:18.100fire somebody you need to give a reason if you are going to rebut this article you'd have to
01:01:23.820actually rebut it and the thing is everybody attacking this article knew it was true
01:01:28.700so instead of attacking it instead of rebutting it they memory hold it
01:01:36.300because this this is the level of insanity that we are dealing with from these people
01:01:41.180like this is beyond emotional this is a complete lack of rational thought
01:01:48.540oh yeah they're trying to eliminate all dissenters
01:24:17.820do they just hang out at walmart all day well some look like they do
01:24:30.560i i always tell people like if you're really depressed and you're having a bad day
01:24:36.460just go to walmart and you will see things there that will make you realize that your life is not
01:24:41.920so bad i don't know maybe you'll look at the people that share your society with you and vote
01:24:46.780and decide it's time to off yourself this is why i can't find a coffee maker that lasts more than
01:24:53.160three months you know what i didn't think of it that way that's a good point amused outsider
01:24:59.760comments the wall martians invasion you know i'm i'm a strong believer that everybody's born with
01:25:09.920the soul but some people erode it bit by bit until there's nothing left in there yeah they cease to
01:25:21.760be human at some point i i think i think they lose their humanity at some point yeah there's
01:25:28.560There's this, like the Bible says, if you want to live forever, live without sin.
01:25:33.060And one of the things I've found, like, I don't know if that's strictly true, but I've found that people that keep a clean soul live a lot.
01:40:31.900And StrongTeam19, okay, everyone's sending super chats now that it closed down.
01:40:37.120Tell you what, I need to take a quick break.
01:40:39.380Guys, if you've got any questions or whatnot, anything you want to contribute, please leave a comment.
01:40:44.840Great if it's a super chat, but it doesn't have to be.
01:40:47.500Hey, Drew, can you run the show for three minutes?
01:40:49.660Sure. I'll take some questions from the chat. And while I'm waiting on that, I'm going to plug the Free Folk website. For anyone who is interested in the work that we are doing, our website is www.freefolk.org.
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01:41:21.460we do have a paypal account set up and i believe arini listed that in the notes yes he did
01:41:27.580so um you can check out those links if you're interested does anybody have any questions for
01:41:33.940me i don't know how many i see a couple regulars here um so if anybody has any questions i'll try
01:42:59.780That is a case where I like to make a distinction between pagans and heathens, because heathens do have law.
01:43:06.640We do have custom. We are generally very conservative people.
01:43:11.440And I, for one, do not consider the leftist faction that calls itself heathen to actually be heathen, because they really don't practice our folkways.
01:43:21.220But true heathens who do practice folkish heathenry, we do have law and custom and are pretty well ordered.
01:43:41.440But before we wrap up, may I address a question from Viral Journey? He gave so many super chats, and I did invite questions before you jumped back in.
01:43:49.980He's asking, what is the pagan opinion on cucks? I am assuming that you're talking about the typical blue pill beta male guy who gets walked out on by his woman. Is that it? I just want to clarify.
01:44:06.520If he can answer real quick, I don't want to make an assumption.
01:44:11.440Well, it's, I mean, again, I think we mentioned earlier that if we had men running the civilization, a lot of these beta males would be a lot more secure where they are.
01:44:25.600Part of what makes it so dangerous for them is without the beta males is that they're, or without the alpha males running things, they don't have the game to maintain their relationships.
01:44:35.680And he confirms, yes, that's what he was asking.
01:44:37.460Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with Irini on that.
01:44:40.580I mean, we have lost our dominant males.
01:44:44.560There are very few of them, and they're all outliers now.
01:44:48.120You know, they really don't have a position within society because masculinity is under
01:44:59.820He's going to have to work outside of the system.
01:45:02.280So yeah, unfortunately, the guys who find themselves in the beta community are really
01:45:10.200sort of wandering around without leadership i would encourage those types of guys uh if they
01:45:16.040are looking for something that they can actually have a stake in and get some uh yield some dividends
01:45:21.320from to go seek out an alpha male uh outside of the system you know not just a chad but somebody
01:45:29.000that's actually leading and creating yes and i mean to that point um i mean i'm gonna recommend
01:45:35.800you arini because you've actually started to make an effort uh to reach these guys with um
01:45:41.960like the workshop video that you did this week and you know trying to get resources out there
01:45:46.920to guys who are struggling and need mentorship so yeah coming by the way i'm gonna try to do it
01:45:52.200about twice a month just a a short workshop video about some practical stuff you can start doing
01:45:58.520right now to to strengthen the foundation you have in your life so anyone that's backing me for
01:46:03.960a buck on patreon and and you know what like other like if you're backing me anyway i'll try
01:46:08.920and get you the video you can always just fire me a message on skype right yeah i'll send you the
01:46:13.800link to it yeah i mean that's a great resource that uh arini's providing uh so yeah i mean if
01:46:20.200if guys are looking for that go to this guy support him you know send him a couple of
01:46:24.840shackles and he'll create great content for you that you can use in your life yeah you know one
01:46:29.720One other thing, I want to divide the guys that get ā listen, that guy I mentioned earlier, successful lawyer, not just a lawyer, a successful lawyer that gets divorced, that he gets completely destroyed by the system, that guy I have sympathy for.
01:46:48.300The schlub who plays video games all the time and watches porn instead of paying attention to his wife, that guy I don't have any sympathy for.
01:46:55.700It's like, buddy, you deserve what you got.
01:46:57.340the other guy was doing his best okay um oh we have actually two questions for you hey through
01:47:07.500i see that i don't mind answering those questions those are good so who is your
01:47:13.720alpha male poster boy oh wow um well in fiction i was inspired greatly by the 1982 movie conan
01:47:25.200the barbarian um i know that uh the way conan was portrayed i mean granted it's not my physical type
01:47:31.740but um i think they did a great job of expressing masculinity through that character i mean he was
01:47:39.280a philosopher he was a warrior uh he was a leader of men um he had a lot of of alpha qualities
01:47:46.640germanic alpha qualities that i respect uh in real life i don't know i think you're pretty
01:47:52.260alpha arini and then i'm not saying that to like flatter you i i think that what you express and
01:47:58.020the work that you do and the investment that you make in your people uh really demonstrates your
01:48:02.980quality i'd be blushing if it weren't all true um i'm cancer 624 and this is kind of a mean question
01:48:14.020he has how many white babies do you have hey through i oh i have none of my body but i have
01:48:19.140many spiritual children i've been doing folk building work for quite a while now yeah and
01:48:25.140that's that's a true answer i i know this um and strontium 19 wants to know our lady of mirrors
01:48:32.260what brought you to arini's channel how did you find him and he sends a super chat as well five
01:48:36.980dollars thank you brother well i was doing some research online one day and uh one of arini's
01:48:43.060videos came up in my youtube search and to be perfectly honest i thought i thought that he
01:48:48.660looked absolutely over the top in this video he was wearing sort of an outrageous uh outfit and
01:48:54.980of course had the props you know the skull and the sword and the cigar and whiskey and all of that
01:49:00.260and uh i was just curious uh so i watched the video and i was impressed with the content and
01:49:07.780the you know well-spoken and everything so i watched a couple of more videos and long story
01:49:12.580short, one of the videos I watched was a live stream that had been recorded. And towards the
01:49:18.700end of it, well, Rini was talking about the nine noble virtues, which are heathen. They're from my
01:49:26.080tradition. And he mentioned that if there was, I don't want to like misquote you. How did you put
01:49:33.480it? If there was a heathen out there who actually practiced these noble virtues, that you would
01:49:40.540break bread with them? Is that how you put it? I believe I said I'd be happy to break bread with
01:49:44.920them. Would be happy to break bread with them. So I took this as an opportunity to talk with him
01:49:51.400about the virtues. I found it very interesting that a traditional Catholic was speaking about
01:49:58.220heathen virtues. That wasn't something I'd ever heard before. So I was very interested in having
01:50:02.460a conversation with him about that. And that's kind of how it all started. I remember I reached
01:50:07.300out to you and and um took you up on your invitation and this was all in chat and uh he
01:50:12.860had referred to me as brother and it was at that point i said uh you do realize you're speaking to
01:50:17.960a lady and now that made me blush but yeah that's how we got introduced and that's how i started
01:50:24.620appearing on his live stream yeah and it's um well here's the thing i i try not to mistake the letter