Leo D.M.J. Aurini - ＂The Devil was the First Whig＂ Liberalism & Modernism with Jay Dyer & Matt Forney

00:00:00.000 Hey folks, welcome to this live stream. I was going to say a very special live stream,

00:00:06.900 except everybody here is a heterosexual. I'm joined with my good friend Matt Forney,

00:00:11.880 who just finished streaming Max Payne on his own channel. How are you doing, brother?

00:00:15.560 Doing great.

00:00:17.140 And I am here, folks. Welcome to this live stream.

00:00:21.380 Damn it. 1.00

00:00:22.740 And Jay Dyer. Jay Dyer, how are you doing this evening, brother? 1.00

00:00:28.520 Bowling.

00:00:29.780 Bowling, my niggas. Bowling.

00:00:32.900 We were just chatting before the show about different creepy stalkers that we have had.

00:00:39.300 Yeah, I had Jim Prophet Bolshevik, who threatened me with the communist wizard staff. 0.95

00:00:43.400 And you had some rapper that hated you and thought you were the son of Ted Turner?

00:00:48.600 Yeah, Jaja. She sings this unbearable rap song, Hear Pussy Pussy, which you can link. 1.00

00:00:56.880 Is there a chat on this thing? 0.99

00:00:58.520 Anyway, if you look up Jaja, J-A-H, J-A-H, her song, 0.99

00:01:05.620 Here Pussy Pussy, will put a smile on your face. 1.00

00:01:09.700 I'll put it that way. 1.00

00:01:13.420 Oh, God.

00:01:14.100 You know what?

00:01:14.560 On the one hand.

00:01:15.740 Oh, she claims to be the – I forgot.

00:01:17.180 She's a relative of Aaron Russo.

00:01:18.920 That's another one of her. 0.94

00:01:20.160 She claims she's Aaron Russo's cousin and that I am a Nazi grandson of Ted Turner. 0.98

00:01:27.100 And that's why I, because I made fun of her one time on a podcast or some shit. 0.90

00:01:33.060 So anyway, she flipped out and there's a video that she made on YouTube trying to show that I'm your grandson of Ted Turner. 0.99

00:01:41.220 And she is a skanky white rapper chick. 1.00

00:01:46.540 Yeah, sometimes on the one hand, I can understand why the elites hate us so much and want our extinction when this is the sort of garbage we get up to. 1.00

00:01:56.160 i was gonna say yeah and at the same time the sort of garbage that idiots get up to 0.99

00:02:02.660 you know the sort of like yeah you do some of the conspiracy stuff and there's a that's the thing 0.99

00:02:08.380 there there's the good stuff that you do and then there's the conspiratards the reason they get up

00:02:14.380 there's a lot of tards and this this chick is one of them she she does videos about fema camps and 1.00

00:02:20.180 that kind of shit that's the thing it's part of the reason people are getting up to all this 0.97

00:02:25.540 nonsense is because there is no actual leadership from the elites no aristocracy and that's kind of 0.99

00:02:31.640 the topic of this live stream how uh how liberalism is the default assumption that we were all it's

00:02:40.500 it's like the mother's milk we all start with some form of liberalism whether it's classical

00:02:45.400 liberalism whether it's modern conservatism it all goes back to the french revolution all goes

00:02:51.280 back to the philosophy of man you know starting back enlightenment and post-enlightenment

00:02:56.400 now in my case i can tell you that for a long time i was a libertarian conservative but i was

00:03:03.180 always looking for that black box at the core of everything like if you take the whole the rights

00:03:09.360 of man free speech oh that you take that whole package it seems really nice but at the end of

00:03:15.880 the day, how do you compel this behavior? Either there's a magic black box that runs the whole

00:03:24.420 thing, that justifies it. It justifies forcing people to follow the system. Or there is no black 1.00

00:03:35.660 box. And it's just like your opinion, man. And so at this point, you have to admit that your

00:03:42.600 perfect system where everything's beautiful is foundationally no different from communism is no

00:03:47.400 different from anarcho-capitalism and what you need to do to maintain any system like this

00:03:53.420 is force and indoctrinate everybody in the society you must believe in classical liberalism

00:04:00.700 or you're an un-person you know we we've seen this coming from the classical liberals well 0.99

00:04:06.940 you're a Nazi. The right is exactly the same as the left. Horseshoe theory. Yeah, you have to 100% 0.93

00:04:15.240 buy into their scheme, whether it's classical liberalism, communism, whatever it might be,

00:04:19.740 because it needs a magic black box. And that's been a focus of your work, with your philosophy

00:04:28.520 work. Yes. For many years, we've been critiquing me, myself, my friends, my circles. We've been

00:04:36.500 critiquing classical liberalism and I can speak from experience because as I said before we started

00:04:42.740 I was probably a classical liberal when I was 18 19 20 at that time I still really believe that

00:04:49.980 America kind of had a Christian heritage and that that could be preserved and if we could just get

00:04:54.560 the right you know libertarian constitution party candidates and I think we even we even

00:05:00.680 canvassed at one point when I was 21 or two for constitution party candidates. So, uh, I was in a

00:05:08.320 way I was red pilled back then, but I was still very naive, very stupid. Um, and the internet 0.99

00:05:13.020 wasn't popular like it, like it is now. So it was a different situation back then. And, um,

00:05:20.700 you know, you, you don't really think or know to question things like classical liberalism

00:05:26.620 because it's just kind of the ether in which we all live and swim and breathe and move and have

00:05:33.260 our being. So for me, it was a little bit different because I went to school to study

00:05:37.580 philosophy and that kind of prompted me to ask those kinds of questions, which like you guys

00:05:44.740 were talking about last night, the normie kind of approach to the world, you're not even really

00:05:49.500 asking those kinds of questions. So in one way, the internet is good because it will allow people

00:05:55.020 to be presented with information to question their presuppositions and that's why i do like 0.96

00:06:00.200 that there's there's a lot of debate discussion going on that is sometimes a shit show but 0.50

00:06:06.620 sometimes it's also fruitful i mean i've learned a lot from different debates that people have had

00:06:10.300 online but anyway um yeah the the the the idea just simply stated is that everything is inverted

00:06:19.500 so what we would consider natural is in any sphere or aspect of life it gets inverted so

00:06:28.300 it's not just a question of government but yes in government you don't have the idea of of

00:06:33.140 hierarchy or vested authority or aristocracy natural aristocracy or i'm not talking about

00:06:38.260 like a petty bourgeoisie aristocracy all that stuff is tossed out out the the window for

00:06:43.740 all the false presuppositions of egalitarian thought. And I know this audience is very

00:06:49.480 educated. You guys all know that. So I'm not going to rehearse a bunch of basic bitch critiques 1.00

00:06:54.620 of classical liberalism, but it does spill over into a lot of areas that we don't really think 0.86

00:07:00.160 about. I mean, you know, when I, when I made that video, for example, critiquing Jordan Peterson,

00:07:05.400 it's not that he doesn't have a good effect in certain ways, but what happens in my view,

00:07:10.600 Let's take the American experience, the American Constitution as a perfect example.

00:07:15.880 Many of the founding fathers, I would say, were sincere.

00:07:19.440 They really did believe that maybe you could erect a purely rational, purely propositional republic or something like this.

00:07:27.420 But the problem is that the document itself, the founding documents, the founding ideology has a an inconsistency in it, which on the one hand is the idea that that you can have a kind of universalized notion of what rights are, of what freedom is.

00:07:45.600 And you can have a generic idea of God.

00:07:48.180 Half the founding fathers will be Freemasons.

00:07:50.200 Half of them will be Episcopals. 0.99

00:07:51.720 Half of them will be the third of them, fourth of them, whatever.

00:07:54.640 and that we can all just kind of get together under the banner of generic theism little g god

00:08:02.180 or something like that and erect a republic that is at the same time pluralistic and syncretistic

00:08:09.240 in its religious sphere but objective and rational when it comes to things like trade or economics

00:08:16.060 and borders and really i think the essence of the best critique of classical liberalism and

00:08:21.900 the enlightenment stuff is not there's not any specific thing like should we have rights or this

00:08:27.620 or that but this issue of authority and how do we know things and and what's certain what's not

00:08:36.560 certain whether there's metaphysics or not so the the birth of the enlightenment the birth of america

00:08:41.580 this comes to fruition out of masonically inspired revolutions and that's not

00:08:48.120 debated that's like a known you know the jacobins were freemasons they had a very revolutionary

00:08:55.100 ideology against throne and altar uh so all of the revolutions of the of the 1800s spawned from

00:09:02.440 1789 and 1776 have this same uh um classical liberal modus operandi and so what what most

00:09:11.000 people don't make the connection with what you would never hear jordan peterson talk about because

00:09:15.740 yeah, it might be considered too conspiratorial. But the reason that all these revolutions were

00:09:21.460 successful, not just in Europe, but also in places like Mexico or anywhere in the globe,

00:09:27.080 basically, Russia included, is because of an international organization committed to

00:09:32.400 revolutionary inversion, namely Freemasonry. You know what, I'm just looking for a quote

00:09:42.300 right now. Are you familiar

00:09:44.300 with Casey versus Planned Parenthood?

00:09:48.260 I'm not.

00:09:50.000 Okay, Matt, could you cover me?

00:09:51.540 Give me like 30 seconds.

00:09:53.540 This probably sums up what's happened

00:09:55.640 to the Republicans.

00:09:56.380 Well, yeah, well, you know, Jay talking

00:09:58.480 about the international organizations

00:10:00.060 and the Freemasons, that's

00:10:01.920 the crucial component to

00:10:03.940 revolution that a lot of people don't

00:10:05.920 really pay attention to.

00:10:08.720 I mean,

00:10:10.020 a lot of people have this vision of

00:10:11.820 a revolution, whether it's, you know, the literal kind of violent kind or metaphorical

00:10:17.680 kind coming from the coloners, the proles, you know, Winston Smith, 1984, it comes from

00:10:23.720 the proles.

00:10:24.480 But there were plenty of proled revolutions during, for example, the Middle Ages.

00:10:29.240 And the reason we don't hear about them is because they all failed.

00:10:31.640 You get a bunch of rattled together with their pitchforks.

00:10:34.520 Not too hard for the people who own the weapons to put it down.

00:10:38.420 Now, the successful revolutions are always hatched. You obviously need the foot soldiers to ultimately carry it through to completion. But the ideas of successful revolutions are hatched by the bourgeoisie and these organizations that get the ideas out there and start the planning, the smart people, as it were.

00:10:59.140 the way spengler puts it is brilliant he says there's never been a socialist revolution that

00:11:06.760 was not backed by monopoly capitalists it's something to that effect it's a famous spengler

00:11:11.520 quote but that's essentially what it is and you know i did a lot of lectures on last year on carol

00:11:16.420 quigley's tragedy and hope and i'm not going to rehearse all that but there's a great chapter on

00:11:20.220 the french revolution where quigley talks about jewish banking and protestant banking interests

00:11:26.540 that were behind the French Revolution so you had a combination of people in Britain

00:11:32.880 the Masonic lodges in Britain together with Swiss bankers who were Protestants and Jewish interests 0.99

00:11:39.560 all colluded to change the social makeup of France and so who did they use all these idiot 0.91

00:11:48.700 revolutionary Masonic groups and so that's really what what is another fascinating insight that even 0.94

00:11:55.480 plato who is ironically the father of communism even plato recognized that democracy has always

00:12:03.120 been a tool of moneyed oligarchy so and plato noticed as well in the republic that the the

00:12:11.740 democrat the oligarch money democrat he's not really a democrat but he he controls the democracy

00:12:20.240 the the demos the the the the mob as you said uh by their base passions and so that's why

00:12:30.020 culture constantly degrades is because the money power likes and needs it to degrade for better

00:12:38.200 and a better concentration of power wealth and control the more you can degrade the more you have

00:12:44.140 a completely docile populace and that by the way to go to what davis was saying that's why

00:12:50.460 relativism as a concept is so useful uh once the people do not believe there's such a thing as

00:12:57.260 objective truth then all they care about is their own personal subjective egoistic truth so they

00:13:03.980 just become basically hedonistic slaves to to their desires and it's very easy to control them 0.99

00:13:10.760 Just give them a bunch of porn. 0.96

00:13:12.440 And I think what was Matt saying? 0.99

00:13:14.240 Like, give me a desk, a cubicle and opiates and my my porn. 0.97

00:13:18.540 And that's it. 0.88

00:13:19.520 You've that's the perfect democracy right there.

00:13:22.020 I give them their corn syrup, you know, their their porn, their weed, and they'll be satisfied.

00:13:29.000 You know, and going back to the to the idea of, you know, you don't even have to go by as far back as the French Revolution.

00:13:35.780 The Russian Revolution was in part bankrolled by international capitalists from the West.

00:13:41.220 In fact, the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution has been well documented.

00:13:47.320 There were many Jewish financiers.

00:13:49.760 There's one I forget the name of in particular who financed the communists in large part because the Russian Empire was anti-Semitic and all that.

00:14:00.600 You see these –

00:14:01.320 Yeah, it's Warburg.

00:14:01.860 Warburg, I've read Warburg's letters where he writes about how happy he was that the money that he sent was successful.

00:14:10.160 Yes, but going back to how democracy works and how it gets subverted, the most powerful position in a democracy, in a system of government where the people supposedly rule, is whoever controls the people's opinions.

00:14:26.400 Whoever gives them what they – like where do the people get their beliefs?

00:14:31.540 Where do they get their desires, their wants, their needs?

00:14:37.040 Whoever shapes that, they're the ones who control.

00:14:39.660 That's why you see all these subversive elements.

00:14:42.740 They move quickly to take control and establish such things as Hollywood, the movie industry, and also journalism.

00:14:48.640 Whoever controls the information flow and can shape people's wants, they control everything.

00:14:54.560 Okay, I found the quote I was looking for. This directly relates to how the conception of American liberty, which began with the founding of the republic, ultimately collapses in on itself.

00:15:08.120 This is from Planned Parenthood versus Casey. Now, a lot of people think that Roe v. Wade is the abortion legislation. And it's not really. If you read Roe v. Wade, it boils down to, we don't want to have an opinion on this right now, so we're just going to ignore it.

00:15:26.820 It was in, I believe, 1991 that Planned Parenthood versus Casey came along.

00:15:32.660 And there is one crucial bit in the justification for the decision that this perfectly illustrates what we're all talking about.

00:15:41.900 Quote, at the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe and of the mystery of human life.

00:15:51.500 beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under

00:15:56.740 compulsion by the state in other words we can all be our own popes now and you can believe whatever 0.98

00:16:04.860 damn fool thing you want to believe and the government can't compel you to believe anything 0.96

00:16:09.120 else and so we eventually go from that to winding up with people demanding that you respect their 1.00

00:16:16.260 pronouns because they're transgendered other kin this this is a direct devolution when you say that

00:16:23.160 we just believe that god gave us these rights but you can believe whatever god and believe in

00:16:28.200 whatever god you want to believe in all of a sudden document means nothing yeah that's why

00:16:34.700 i don't understand let's say if you're an alt-right uh uh proponent of race theory and all this kind

00:16:41.440 of stuff, but you also believe in natural rights, and you're an atheist. This is a very popular

00:16:48.300 position in the YouTube sphere, but it makes absolutely no sense. On what basis do you have

00:16:53.580 rights if you are an atheist? They're completely arbitrary, they're ad hoc, they're subjective,

00:16:59.060 and this is a point I've been making for a long time, that one of the problems with classical

00:17:03.800 liberalism, you just hinted at at Davis right there, is personhood. So when this comes up in

00:17:09.840 the debates about pro-choice and pro-life and whatnot. Let's say you're a libertarian or a

00:17:15.560 classical liberal of some sort, and you believe in liberty, you believe in personhood, you believe

00:17:22.740 persons have rights. If you don't have a worldview that gives a context for how there's such a thing

00:17:31.340 as personhood, and I would say that it really only makes sense if you're made in the image of God.

00:17:36.180 If you're not made in the image of God, then you're just kind of an evolutionary bubbling forth with no meaning at all.

00:17:43.180 It doesn't really matter.

00:17:44.000 It's just nature just eats nature, right?

00:17:47.160 It's like a New World Boros eating its own tail.

00:17:50.680 It just eats itself.

00:17:52.240 There's no place in this for rights outside of just will to power.

00:17:57.880 And all of these positions that remove the transcendent, and that's what you get in classical liberalism because it starts with the individual.

00:18:05.480 that's its autonomous self-evident maxim is the individual that's where it starts it doesn't start

00:18:11.240 with anything to do with the transcendent once you do that you have no basis for any objective

00:18:17.360 immaterial moral standards or even other things like law mathematics all these things that are

00:18:23.620 immaterial you've already negated the possibility of that because you start with a purely material

00:18:29.820 sphere see the classical liberals what they do is they replace theology and philosophy they

00:18:37.000 replace it with legalism see if you yes if you take monarchy and you ask the king to have an

00:18:44.500 opinion on whether or not the morning after pill the king is probably going to say you know what

00:18:49.640 uh i don't want to touch that kettle of fish you know what and it doesn't affect me you know i'm

00:18:55.360 still getting my taxes. We've defended the border. I'm more concerned about standardizing

00:19:00.760 the system of measurements used in grain shipments than something like abortion. I don't care about

00:19:06.620 anything until it starts affecting society. There is no need for the king to have an opinion

00:19:15.300 on something like that. But with classical liberalism, with modern republicanism,

00:19:22.440 there is this demand this totalitarian demand that it have an opinion on everything instead of

00:19:30.200 god being the final arbiter it winds up being the supreme court and so in this case the supreme

00:19:36.700 court has said we don't want to have an opinion on that they they recognize that having an opinion

00:19:42.140 on this would be totalitarianism but instead of instead of enacting an attempt at just

00:19:49.140 totalitarianism, which probably would have turned out terribly anyway. They said, anybody can

00:19:53.540 believe whatever the hell they want. So now we're each our own little king. And so, and this is

00:19:59.980 exactly it. It becomes the will to power. Your ability to manipulate the system. I was saying

00:20:07.200 this last night, that you get the, on the one hand, you have the smart, charismatic people

00:20:11.840 that manipulate their way into golden parachutes. And then you have the big mass of people that are

00:20:16.960 dumb and ugly, so all they can do is vote for socialism. But it's the same, this will to power, 1.00

00:20:23.780 because there's no overarching authority. There's just what you can get away with in court.

00:20:29.440 Yeah, I'm about to do a talk on tonight, actually, or tomorrow on Jorgen Habermas of the Frankfurt

00:20:35.940 School fame. He has a book called Theory and Praxis. And the reason I'm doing that book is

00:20:40.540 because we talk a lot about Frankfurt School, and this gets bantered about, but not many people

00:20:45.660 actually go through the actual books and look at what they say. And what's amazing about Habermas

00:20:50.680 is that he's a huge fan of America. He's a huge fan of Americanism, precisely because he correctly

00:20:56.480 understands America as having a central position in revolutionary thought and global revolution.

00:21:04.860 So he wants to see, he accurately sees that out of classical liberalism, you basically get

00:21:12.480 two strands of revolutionary thought. You get the communistic Marxist strand, which would be

00:21:19.160 people like Weishaupt. You get Mazzini. You get Antonio Gramsci. You get the Frankfurt School.

00:21:27.320 The other side of this dialectic is the capitalists. This is the right-wing Masonic

00:21:33.440 lodge of Edmund Burke, and you get the what are called Girondins. This is the founding fathers

00:21:40.980 of america right the jeffersons the uh the franklins these are the right-wing revolutionaries

00:21:45.860 who want private property and they want their bank accounts they don't want to share their wives 0.99

00:21:51.160 unless you're ben franklin and you want to fuck old women which is what he was a big fan of but 1.00

00:21:55.620 gray at night 1.00

00:21:58.540 so so what i'm saying is that habermas here's this this preeminent uh frankfurt school

00:22:06.960 critical theory Marxist, who's a big fan of America because he believes America is

00:22:13.560 just another flavor of the revolutionary classical liberal tradition, which whether

00:22:20.180 it's global homo-capitalism or global Fabian socialist Marxism, it really doesn't matter

00:22:26.360 because it's like H.G. Wells said to his fellow Marxists, he says, you Marxist idiots, 1.00

00:22:32.420 how else do you think that the utopian global society will come without the engine of globo 0.99

00:22:40.080 capitalism he says globo capitalism is the engine that will bring our socialist world order because

00:22:46.560 it will flatten all the cultures into a monoculture so so the essence of all this is again 0.93

00:22:53.100 that i i think we have if we really want to object reject modernity i think we have to question

00:22:57.600 classical liberalism you know what look at like i've been playing fallout recently which has this

00:23:04.460 topic on my mind uh think about mccarthyism on the one hand i think most of us come from a

00:23:10.520 conservative background uh we're opposed to the pinkos so and we look at what mccarthy was doing

00:23:15.660 yeah there was communist infiltration there was all of this stuff but then look on the other hand

00:23:21.680 And you have a bunch of men in black, a bunch of government suits snooping around and prying into your emails. And it's this this dual nature of the whole thing where you can kind of see both sides. And then the funny thing is that when people start getting into conspiracy theories, it's what do you call that device to get randomized numbers where you drop a ball and it either goes left or right when it hits every single pin on the way down?

00:23:47.800 It's like some of the people go right and become hardcore capitalists.

00:23:51.420 Some of the people with the exact same evidence go hardcore socialist because they're both kind of right about that system. 0.96

00:24:01.860 Let me ask you a question, and I'm not trying to be a dickhead. 0.72

00:24:04.880 I'm just curious.

00:24:05.680 Are you familiar with – there's a famous editorial that David Rockefeller wrote called From a China Traveler.

00:24:11.880 Have you heard of this?

00:24:12.760 Oh, no.

00:24:13.400 No, I haven't heard of it either.

00:24:15.300 Pretend I haven't.

00:24:16.140 yeah you can it's i don't think the new york times will let you pull it up anymore but if you

00:24:22.100 google it you can find actually the an image like a jpeg of the entire article

00:24:26.680 and it's 1973 and what he argues is that that he loves the effectiveness of mal's revolution

00:24:38.960 i remember the first time i read that i was kind of i was kind of shocked because like you said yes

00:24:43.680 I came from a conservative background.

00:24:46.480 My uncle was a big Cold War Air Force guy.

00:24:49.340 So I'm certainly not at all interested in Sovietism or communism.

00:24:53.260 But I was challenged when I first saw that article because I would have thought, well, if you read David Rockefeller's memoirs, he talks about liking von Mises.

00:25:02.220 And he actually wrote a thesis on von Mises's Austrian economics one time.

00:25:07.120 And I remember thinking, that's kind of weird.

00:25:08.500 Why would he?

00:25:09.000 I wouldn't think he would prefer that.

00:25:11.060 And then you start to realize that at that level, you're dealing with internationalism. And so the internationalism of the capitalists is just as international as the international Marxist.

00:25:24.800 So they have a meeting of the minds and there've actually been many conferences and meetings between these two types of groups. I'll give you one example. This was on the CFR's own website for a long time in their archives.

00:25:36.940 They had a lengthy essay about the history of the CFR itself and how during the 40s there was a lot of heated debate, particularly during the period that you're talking about into the 50s with McCarthyism, where the CFR was split between do we go with convergence and melding Eastern Marxism with Western capitalism or do we just eradicate Marxism?

00:26:02.740 And guess what side of the spectrum the CFR ended up falling down on? Let's merge communism and capitalism, and that's the best means to a world order.

00:26:13.200 So my perspective, especially in the clearest, easiest example of one article that you could read is that David Rockefeller essay from a China traveler where he says that for the Chinese people, the international capitalist can be a huge supporter of Mao precisely because what communism does is that it concentrates and transfers wealth very well, very easily.

00:26:39.040 and that we could actually enact these same kinds of patterns

00:26:42.880 in other countries, you know, if that's what we want to do.

00:26:46.520 So he's literally saying all this in that famous editorial.

00:26:49.960 And then when I read David Rockefeller's memoirs,

00:26:52.200 I was not surprised because I had read that to later see

00:26:56.040 that he says that Chase Bank was the first bank in communist China.

00:27:01.860 Isn't that interesting?

00:27:03.420 So all I'm saying is that on the ground level, 0.99

00:27:06.700 like at the local university when we go and and we have to deal with these completely shithead 0.83

00:27:13.300 that you guys don't we don't because we're out of the school system but i was actually doing grad

00:27:17.240 work not too long ago so i was still having to deal with literal eastern block people brought

00:27:22.480 over uh you know over me in the university um teaching this frankfurt school stuff that's how

00:27:28.600 i got it firsthand and then you find out guess who brought the frankfurt frankfurt school people

00:27:33.820 over it's the oss and the cia they were brought over to create abstract art to create degenerate

00:27:41.420 music it's all those frankfurt school guys and they were literally brought over at by with macy

00:27:47.000 foundation money uh at the behest of bertrand russell and the rockefellers and i can give you

00:27:52.160 foreign policy articles anything to document that if you if you the ugliness known as modern art

00:27:59.300 was funded by the CIA to oppose communism.

00:28:04.720 Let that stand for a second.

00:28:07.620 I mean, say what you will about communist square brick architecture.

00:28:11.620 I know Forney's surrounded by it right now.

00:28:13.380 At least they have some pretty impressive public monuments.

00:28:17.280 And so in classic Hegelian dialectic,

00:28:20.240 the CIA goes and funds the absolute ugliness of modern art

00:28:24.500 to look at us, we're more creative.

00:28:26.600 And it is, it is about as meaningful as an internet bum fight. Okay. It is, it's like, no, the communists are doing this. We're going to do that. And so now we, the art world's been completely destroyed. We haven't had good art. We haven't had popular good art in about 50 years.

00:28:46.880 yeah i couldn't i was surprised to see this david boaz cato institute article uh a couple weeks ago

00:28:55.040 or no actually it's from last year excuse me uh but it got picked up by reason magazine not too

00:28:59.940 long ago capitalism not socialism led to international gay rights and actually i was

00:29:05.740 tweeting this to stefan and lauren southern today i'm curious who who who do you think

00:29:14.540 is promoting international tranny stuff international homo usury gay rights it's the 1.00

00:29:21.620 fortune 100 and yeah i'm not i'm not saying that there's not a jewish element to that but

00:29:25.680 but globo capitalism is the means by which there's international revolution it's not communism

00:29:32.220 they may have communist tactics at time but the communist party itself that doesn't even exist

00:29:39.060 There's like, that's like 20 nerds at, you know, University of Berkeley or something. 0.96

00:29:45.000 And I was like, you know, capitalism is the, when it comes to gay rights and stuff like that, I would say capitalism is pushing apart because gays and trannies are the ultimate consumers. 1.00

00:29:56.720 I know Jack Donovan had a good essay about this some time ago. 0.99

00:30:00.420 But the thing is, you know, gays and trannies, sodomites, they don't have children. 1.00

00:30:05.980 You know, their entire lives are all around self-gratification, indulgence. 0.99

00:30:10.680 They don't save money.

00:30:11.920 They have no future.

00:30:13.320 They have nothing to look forward to.

00:30:14.780 They just mindlessly spend on whatever. 0.99

00:30:16.940 So they're the perfect consumers because, well, you know, consumers is all about getting people to spend money on shit they don't need. 0.96

00:30:24.580 And trannyism is the ultimate conclusion of classical liberalism, you know, in which you – the ultimate conclusion of a world in which reality is subjective. 0.99

00:30:35.980 saying that you can even deny your biological sex,

00:30:39.280 not that you're born or not.

00:30:40.480 You just get your parts vivisected

00:30:42.260 and then take some hormones

00:30:45.440 and then put on some girl clothes. 0.62

00:30:47.020 And then all of a sudden you're a girl

00:30:47.960 and anyone who doesn't say you're a girl,

00:30:50.180 they're a hate criminal and they've got to go to prison.

00:30:53.820 I just tossed up a link to E. Michael Jones, 0.96

00:30:57.560 who is a Catholic philosopher

00:30:59.120 that you should all know who he is.

00:31:01.300 He does great work.

00:31:02.720 And in that, it's a short video 0.56

00:31:03.900 where he's explaining that the homosexual is the perfect consumer. 0.93

00:31:09.720 In fact, the whole point of homosexual marriage 1.00

00:31:11.980 is now that we are all in homosexual marriages. 0.53

00:31:16.120 We, both the man and the woman work.

00:31:18.800 It's a marriage of convenience.

00:31:20.400 It's just marriage to, it's dating plus one. 1.00

00:31:23.220 You might have one child and you work and you consume items. 0.94

00:31:26.860 The homosexual is the perfect end state for the capitalist system. 1.00

00:31:33.900 yeah it's a great point and see all of this comes down to the fact that these are the philosophies 0.87

00:31:41.360 of man this is what happens when man makes himself the sovereign of reality you know whether

00:31:49.060 he starts off with the french revolution saying i don't want to do what the king says i'm going

00:31:53.420 to install robes pierre or if it's america no taxation without representation well how's that

00:32:01.780 tax rate right now down in America. And in every one of these revolutionary movements, you literally

00:32:08.720 have people in the background, you literally have a money power. And that's why I think

00:32:13.600 Spangler was so precise. And so on point when he said that, you know, a hundred years ago,

00:32:19.700 and how much more evident is that now when we see, oh, Soros promotes, you know, literally all

00:32:25.880 the training stuff in the Ukraine and all this stuff in Hungary, all the, all he's promoting

00:32:30.480 this stuff all over the globe at with the aid of the cia by the way it's not just him um and should

00:32:37.320 we be surprised well not when we realize that this is the modus operandi of the revolutionary

00:32:42.040 quote democracy movements all along it's all they've been doing this the entire time

00:32:47.500 and so i actually when i when we were talking french revolution i had some grad classes on

00:32:53.120 the french revolution and then i went and took grad classes under the literal frankfurt school

00:32:58.480 dude at the university so they're they will and and it's not even like a conspiracy secret it's

00:33:05.420 just that it's not really anybody that knows this except the academic types they're like oh yeah of

00:33:10.320 course of course uh marx and ingalls were funded by uh big time stock owners ingalls had a whole

00:33:16.460 bunch of money that's who do you think funded marx but but a lot of people also don't know

00:33:25.280 that Marx if you if you read his early writings he wasn't anti-capitalist in fact you can go to

00:33:32.720 marxist.org and you can find where he was for free trade and open borders because he thought

00:33:38.440 that that would wreck the existing cultures even quicker than if there were borders well and I'd 0.99

00:33:45.520 say he was right about that yeah but most most of the if you were to tell you know a libertarian

00:33:51.900 open border proponent that Karl Marx

00:33:54.020 and Engels were for free 0.90

00:33:55.900 trading open borders, they would freak out and be like,

00:33:57.960 no way. I'm like, yeah, it's

00:33:59.920 on Marxist.org. Just look it up.

00:34:02.240 Well, this is why, if you look at the

00:34:03.600 extreme anarcho-capitalist

00:34:05.440 groups, they wind up

00:34:08.000 becoming exactly the same as

00:34:10.100 the anarcho-communist

00:34:12.020 syndicalists.

00:34:13.660 That's what's so amazing.

00:34:15.360 Marx says that the only way

00:34:17.980 that we can get to the utopia

00:34:20.000 is if if the engine of capitalism he says which is this powerful force that can mechanize he says

00:34:29.180 yes he was in 100 right about that he said that you would see international mechanization

00:34:34.980 automation and monoculture would arise from capitalism and he says that will

00:34:42.100 put in place the architecture of the utopia that will come after capitalism falls away into

00:34:51.560 international Fabian style socialism, then you'd get the utopia. So, and I'm, I think Marx was

00:34:59.080 completely 100% funded by bankers and a scam. I'm not all a Marxist, but I'm saying that

00:35:03.660 when you read Marx, you can actually see that. Well, the only reason he's right is because this

00:35:08.740 as an actual plan it literally is a plan of world revolution of moving people through phases and

00:35:14.340 stages of a kind of like a business plan to a final state and capitalism is a part of that

00:35:21.340 Marx wasn't anti-capitalist any more than he was anti-feudalist he just thought they were phases

00:35:26.000 that led to the next yeah and again it is man defining his own system we are going to build

00:35:33.420 are utopia we are going to rewrite the world the way that we want to see it and if you don't want

00:35:39.220 to see it in the same way as me well we'll find a way to deal with you we're going to they all

00:35:44.580 they all start from the presupposition of materialism and naturalism and no transcendent

00:35:49.420 that's their starting point now i'll tell you the interesting thing is that i actually came

00:35:54.360 to my faith in god through a very different uh well i'll tell you the route i came through is

00:35:59.920 actually through mathematics. And listening to your videos, just it kind of reaffirmed that I'm

00:36:05.580 really much more of a math guy than a philosophy guy. And the thing with mathematics, what it boils

00:36:11.860 down to is that there's all of these weird little blind spots in math. All these bits,

00:36:19.040 where normally, like if you think of a picture, you have the positive space and the negative space

00:36:23.800 in the picture. So if you draw a picture of a tree, you know, you have the outline of the tree,

00:36:28.200 that's the positive space, and everything that's not the tree is the negative space.

00:36:32.380 Typically, we think the positive and the negative are going to be equivalent to one another.

00:36:37.340 But what we actually find with mathematics is that when we take the positive and the negative

00:36:42.100 spaces within math, there's still something left over. There's an unknowable unknowable.

00:36:48.560 There are statements which may or may not be true, but they are unprovable. That foundationally,

00:36:54.520 mathematics is not unreliable but there's a on a foundational level it's you need to take it on

00:37:04.260 as an article of faith you need to make a leap of faith and just say okay i'm going to believe in

00:37:10.040 mathematics because mathematics is never going to prove itself and you know that was uh girdle

00:37:16.760 is the one that really worked uh worked out the details of this with set theory although you get

00:37:21.160 The same thing with the halting problem.

00:37:23.720 And after Gerdel did that, he went on to write an ontological proof of God.

00:37:28.020 Because to put it simply, without God, math is just like your opinion, man.

00:37:34.080 Like what the postmodernists say, they will straight-faced say, they actually do believe this, that math is just cultural hegemony.

00:37:43.440 That when we go down to South America, where they have three numbers, they have one, they have two, and they have many.

00:37:49.140 That's the extent of their mathematics.

00:37:51.160 And we try and say two plus two equals four, that that's an act of rape and violence.

00:37:56.440 And the thing is, from the materialist perspective, or from a strictly logical perspective, it is completely justified for them to say that.

00:38:05.720 Because basically, you've got a binary choice.

00:38:08.640 You have to make a leap of faith that there is a God or that there isn't.

00:38:14.100 And then you can become God.

00:38:17.280 Yeah.

00:38:17.360 yeah back in uh 2013 i wrote an article um that i titled numbers prove god and i don't think i

00:38:26.820 mentioned girdell in there but in other articles i did touch on kurt girdell's point about set

00:38:31.180 theory and incompleteness but you know this really doesn't have to be a super obscure abstract thing

00:38:36.660 either because everybody's familiar with numbers um and a really easy way to show that there are

00:38:45.100 abstract, non-material, invariant things, entities, concepts, whatever you want to call them,

00:38:53.900 is to point to things like mathematics. They're obviously not social constructs, because if they

00:39:00.260 were, then the way that we build a bridge in China would be different than the way that we build

00:39:05.820 a bridge in the United States. And it's not, because these are functioning on objective

00:39:10.220 principles. Now there might be mysterious aspects as to how exactly numbers interact with the

00:39:16.740 physical world. Sure. But regardless, we all kind of intuitively know that yes, the law of

00:39:24.400 non-contradiction, the laws of logic, numbers, number theory, mathematics, concepts, these things

00:39:30.920 are not matter. They're not material. They're not physical, but in some way they interact with the

00:39:36.340 world and they aren't changeable. They aren't in flux. They don't become the opposite of themselves.

00:39:41.500 The number seven doesn't become the number 10. It doesn't evolve into something else.

00:39:46.320 And this is really the point that kind of Plato made a long time ago and that he did get right.

00:39:51.140 I will give Plato props for that. He did get that correct. Not everything Plato said is correct,

00:39:57.180 certainly, but, but yes, and this is a great bridge into understanding. Well, you know what,

00:40:01.620 If that kind of thing is possible and seems to be true, and most of us all act like it's true, it's pretty common sense, then why is it that difficult to think that there would be a God or that there would be an immaterial, you know, omniscient mind in a way, in an analogy similar to things like invariant, abstract concepts or numbers?

00:40:22.920 Now, certainly God is not a number. He's not impersonal, but he's even greater than numbers because he is personal and you can have a relationship with God.

00:40:32.780 So, you know, you don't have a relationship with the number seven.

00:40:34.700 So even though Pythagoreanism would attach a kind of mystical significance to numbers and would realize this basic point that I'm making about non-material, non-physical properties or entities, even Pythagoras and Plato didn't recognize that the ultimate principle or the metaphysical absolute that we're talking about here, a concrete absolute, is actually God.

00:40:59.800 It's actually personal. It's not it's not an impersonal force. But yes, once that can be made clear, the basic bitch Dawkins, atheists, Sam Harris type stuff really doesn't have as much force or as much power because you start to realize that they utilize all these principles and properties that don't make sense on their naturalistic, materialistic worldview. 0.52

00:41:24.680 to boil it down it's numbers can't prove themselves you know they tried to mathematically

00:41:31.740 believe me mathematicians tried to prove that math was real they can't it's literally they

00:41:37.520 prove that you can't prove it it's impossible however this is a principle i like to call

00:41:42.260 keeping your feet on the ground you know judge the tree by its fruit the thing is that when you

00:41:47.580 employ western mathematics you wind up with architecture so yeah we can't prove that math

00:41:54.080 is true, but we can observe that using math builds great structures. And this is the thing

00:42:03.320 with the modern world. On a certain level, everything that we're trying to talk about

00:42:08.780 can be objectively demonstrated. The homosexual lifestyle is a nihilistic and destructive 1.00

00:42:16.040 lifestyle. It's a lot of fun in your 20s when you're pretty and you don't have any 0.99

00:42:21.280 drug addictions and etc it is an absolute nightmare in your 40s and pure hell if you actually make it

00:42:29.620 to your 50s or 60s okay and that's just an objective observation but we are so good at

00:42:36.680 ignoring them and you know i just got to point this out this is funny we actually got a comment

00:42:40.580 from um a girl that's just been insulting me the whole time but this perfectly nails what we're

00:42:45.740 trying to say she says religious trad cons seem pretty bad at the whole not being a greedy 0.98

00:42:51.140 callous evil piece of shit thing yes yes this materialist system catches everybody you have 0.99

00:42:58.080 the you have the rich people or the smart and charismatic people that abuse the system and 1.00

00:43:04.300 then you have these stupid dumb people that mass together to greedily vote for socialism so it's 1.00

00:43:10.240 greed on both sides it's this ugly ugly hegelian dialectic which results from the philosophy of man 1.00

00:43:16.720 that's my point that's our point right here yeah our god is mammon and i remember when i read back

00:43:24.600 in my 20s when i was in college i had to read dante i remember dante saying that usury and

00:43:29.600 sodomy go together and i was like what i don't how does he i didn't understand how he came to

00:43:34.080 that conclusion and then as i got older and i read i read michael hoffman and hoffman's books

00:43:39.640 book on usury and a lot of points that he made i thought you know this is actually makes a lot of

00:43:44.460 sense that that it's it's it's not it's barrenness it's a kind of non-fruitful sterile parasitical

00:43:54.320 relationship that doesn't give birth to actual you know virtue or love or or real exchange it's

00:44:01.420 just totally parasitical and the best the most the highest form of that is like you know homosexuality 1.00

00:44:08.020 or pederasty or something like that that's it's completely parasitical completely rapacious uh and

00:44:14.740 and that's why a society that that is heavily focused on usury because what is the user doing

00:44:21.000 he doesn't produce anything he just leeches right those societies uh tend to promote 0.89

00:44:29.380 sterility and sodomy because that's how you have this populace that because if you have kids if

00:44:36.180 you have a relationship if you're trying to you know get along with people and do well in the

00:44:41.020 world and create things and make things have a farm or whatever you're not going to be you're

00:44:46.860 not going to have time for what do they call in the middle ages the um the kingly vice right 0.89

00:44:52.400 sodomy you know you don't have time you're not going to be laying around

00:44:54.940 it's called that it's it's uh the noble vice or whatever i mean you know if you're the peasants

00:45:05.600 can't exactly engage in sodomy it's not exactly a uh an activity those who don't have the best

00:45:10.180 hygiene can engage in among other things and it's a hobby for people who have time on their hands

00:45:16.600 think about remember like braveheart remember how the the you know william wallace is like blown away

00:45:22.980 by the the uh the british aristocracy because you know it's like the ones the the son of the

00:45:29.560 king longshanks his son and his gay lover remember that part oh yeah and the guy put 0.92

00:45:34.600 He pushes the one guy out the window because these are very a feat to very,

00:45:38.780 you know, they have all their needs met. They're not men. They're not,

00:45:41.740 they don't have to deal with, you know, living a rugged lifestyle.

00:45:46.180 They're, they're living in a fricking palace with a bunch of pillows everywhere.

00:45:50.960 Yeah. And, and, and going back to sort of what your response,

00:45:55.540 Davis to that, that, that lady in the chat who is, by the way,

00:45:59.380 now threatening to go stick her tongue down, not a woman's throat because. 1.00

00:46:02.500 Oh, no, no, no, that's going to show me.

00:46:04.900 Babe, knock yourself out, you know, just be sure to film it.

00:46:09.280 But anyway, we live in a materialist world,

00:46:12.860 and we can't imagine any sort of consequences to bad behavior that aren't material.

00:46:19.420 Like, say, for example, you get the recent, you know,

00:46:23.520 depictions of the slavery era of U.S. history.

00:46:27.240 You get stuff like Django Unchained or Twelve Years a Slave

00:46:29.940 that cartoonishly exaggerates the amount of violence and pain that black people had to go

00:46:35.760 through. This is because, this is in contravention to one of the original arguments for abolition,

00:46:44.500 which was abolitionists argued that it was immoral to enslave black people because they 0.89

00:46:49.540 had souls, because, you know, the souls of black folk. And enslaving someone with a soul was wrong 0.92

00:46:55.260 because, well, we are all God's children.

00:46:57.900 But because we live in a materialist world

00:46:59.800 where we deny the existence of the soul

00:47:01.720 or anything beyond the material,

00:47:03.520 we have to exaggerate the physical violence

00:47:06.780 in these depictions

00:47:08.000 and imagine that life for a slave

00:47:11.060 was just constant getting beaten with, 0.98

00:47:13.160 the women were constantly getting raped by their masters 0.56

00:47:15.860 because we can't imagine any sort of consequences 0.51

00:47:19.440 to slavery beyond physical wounds

00:47:23.340 and physical consequences.

00:47:24.520 This was an era when most employees, if they screwed up, would get whipped, okay?

00:47:31.300 People got whipped all the time back then, but we can only see, oh, whipping somebody is bad.

00:47:35.980 It's not the subjugation into slavery that's bad.

00:47:39.680 Well, there used to be a great video, and we watched it in one of my college classes in undergrad American history,

00:47:48.320 and it was when we were doing the Civil War.

00:47:50.480 I can't believe we watched that video, by the way, in a secular school, 0.76

00:47:53.520 but if somebody could find this on youtube it's it's gold but they're there it's i think probably

00:47:58.660 60s or 70s era interview with one of the last living slaves uh you know this guy's like 90 95

00:48:07.060 something like that very very old guy and they're probably in the 60s um and he's they're interviewing

00:48:13.700 about what it was like and they're expecting it you know like like like you said like django and

00:48:18.920 chain like getting whipped every way this this old black guy's just really caught well i reckon 1.00

00:48:24.620 it was just uh every old day we just kind of hung out and that nobody was getting whipped and

00:48:30.840 everybody got along and we had a house and we was next to the field and everything was fine and

00:48:37.220 it wasn't like they say in the movies at all i was checking out the uh andrew jackson's hermitage

00:48:44.580 which is his house which was just

00:48:47.080 like basically you could show up at his house

00:48:48.980 and stay as long as you wanted

00:48:50.300 they had like a bedroom for him

00:48:52.580 a bedroom for his daughters

00:48:53.720 I forget if he had sons or not

00:48:55.980 and then they had like two guest bedrooms

00:48:57.940 and there was a king size bed

00:49:00.320 and everybody, there's the men's room

00:49:02.620 and the women's room and you'd all sleep in that bed 0.99

00:49:04.380 now the interesting thing is that

00:49:06.140 the original caretaker

00:49:08.060 of his estate

00:49:10.100 of the hermitage which he gave to the American public

00:49:12.860 was

00:49:14.000 the the head slave you know it was the the head slave who stayed on after slavery ended

00:49:21.740 so it's anyway we're listen people have no idea we're getting on a tangent nobody here supports

00:49:29.160 slavery but let's try and be realistic about it i think is our point um again this this i'm glad

00:49:34.460 this actually showed up because this is a perfect we're talking about the high level what happens

00:49:39.960 of society but it also happens on the the individual level why does ashley why is she so 1.00

00:49:48.220 angry that we're talking about this can she have an identity without othering us to provide 0.97

00:49:56.720 no yeah and consumerism she's just like the alt-right in this way where i i think if you

00:50:04.540 went up to a lot of the young men in the alt-right and said okay you've won now what are you going to

00:50:09.600 do with yourself.

00:50:11.420 They have no idea.

00:50:14.080 Well, a lot of this stems

00:50:15.440 back to...

00:50:17.440 It's astounding how much of

00:50:19.660 modern thought is informed,

00:50:21.460 and the materialism is involved by

00:50:22.980 a drop-in-one named Michel

00:50:25.360 Foucault, and his concept

00:50:27.660 of bio-power. The idea

00:50:29.440 that governments are constantly seeking

00:50:31.500 to...

00:50:31.940 In Foucault's estimation, everything

00:50:35.500 was about power and controlling the body.

00:50:38.060 And his estimation, for example, prisoners – 0.97

00:50:39.640 And he was a notorious sodomite too, by the way. 0.93

00:50:41.100 I was going to bring that up. 0.99

00:50:42.060 Yeah, he was a homosexual who was into BDSM. 0.82

00:50:44.740 So unsurprisingly, he formulated a vision of the world in which everything was about power and control and all about material consequences.

00:50:53.640 He also interestingly enough came up with the idea that the left would abandon economic socialism if capitalists could placate them with social leftist gestures, which is exactly what is happening right now.

00:51:10.220 The left in the U.S. and in the West has entirely stopped.

00:51:14.960 They are the biggest boosters of international capitalism and corporations because those corporations are all about gay rights and trans rights and women's rights and all that.

00:51:24.180 You can placate them with symbolism.

00:51:27.060 Look at the Super Bowl commercials, okay?

00:51:28.660 It's not the Hillary Clinton pushing gay rights.

00:51:32.600 It's the corporations pushing gay rights. 0.97

00:51:38.220 Yeah.

00:51:40.220 Well, I mean, Hillary is a BFF of the corporations. 1.00

00:51:44.840 I mean, she was recruited into the CIA during college.

00:51:49.940 And it was the Rockefellers who spotted Bill.

00:51:55.460 Again, Arkansas, hello.

00:51:57.300 That's where the Rockefellers are headquartered.

00:51:59.860 So it's not accidental that he went from governor of Arkansas to,

00:52:04.780 which is, by the way, he was governor when they were running the CIA cocaine

00:52:08.940 out of Mena, Arkansas.

00:52:10.220 and so he goes from there to Bilderberg uh to being uh president and that's because

00:52:17.940 Rockefeller money was behind him you can find lectures of Bill Clinton on YouTube with David

00:52:23.000 Rockefeller David Rockefeller comes on yes I want to think uh Bill Bill is a great man

00:52:29.920 we spotted him a long time ago and knew he'd be perfect for the presidency

00:52:34.440 And yes, Mr. Burns is modeled

00:52:39.600 on David Rockefeller

00:52:40.500 It certainly explains how 1.00

00:52:42.600 a white trash son of a single mother 1.00

00:52:45.560 from Arkansas suddenly ascends to the 1.00

00:52:47.940 and that's what he is 0.98

00:52:49.860 Bill Clinton was this fat 1.00

00:52:51.300 white trash nerd 1.00

00:52:53.060 who got beat up every day by jocks 1.00

00:52:55.680 and

00:52:56.820 basically his psychology

00:52:59.180 as an adult is getting revenge

00:53:01.460 on the jocks who beat him up

00:53:03.520 and stole his girlfriend in high school.

00:53:08.400 You know, I was speaking with an elder at one point

00:53:11.440 who I was pointing out that Cthulhu always swims left,

00:53:15.480 as we like to say.

00:53:17.300 And he was saying, as far as he can tell,

00:53:19.480 that it just flip-flops between the left and the right

00:53:22.000 if you look at the past 50 years of history.

00:53:25.500 And what we're seeing right now,

00:53:27.120 and a few comedians have made jokes about this,

00:53:29.380 is we're currently living in a world

00:53:31.260 where the left absolutely hates the Russians and the right wants to, whatever, take care of the

00:53:38.660 working man. And so for your average person that's not paying attention to the deeper

00:53:44.120 ontological issues underlying all of this, it does look like the left and the right are flipping 1.00

00:53:51.440 back and forth and both teams are full of assholes and corrupt losers and nothing matters. 0.99

00:53:57.540 But if you lean back a little bit and take in the situation as a whole, there is this consistent trend leftwards. 0.99

00:54:08.480 Yes, there's a great book called The Cultural Cold War by Francis Stoner Saunders.

00:54:15.240 and in that book which is kind of a whitewash by the way but i'll be citing that quite a bit in my

00:54:21.940 new book um about how the the the communist dialectic was kind of weak and it didn't really

00:54:30.660 achieve what they hoped uh so what the elite establishment especially in especially the the

00:54:38.320 wasp uh eastern establishment what they did was they started supporting and funding

00:54:43.020 leftist and socialist movements that weren't just the communist party so the rise of atlantic

00:54:50.500 magazine the rise of these different publications the rise of liberalism in american educational

00:54:57.800 institutions pioneered especially at places like yale and harvard it it was yes you would get these

00:55:04.520 marxist professors coming to the to prominence but it was because the the donors to the schools

00:55:11.060 were these waspy rockefeller type people who wanted that ideology in all these universities

00:55:17.720 so i think that if we want to combat the errors and we want to combat it for the normie okay so

00:55:27.300 the normie is not going to get into all the philosophy i understand that but if the normie

00:55:30.960 could ever grasp that the it's not it's not commies it's the corporate elite that run the

00:55:39.000 commies. And if you, okay. So if you want to call Hillary Clinton, a commie, okay. But she's a 1.00

00:55:44.200 Goldman Sachs commie. Okay. She's a, she's a Barack Obama is a Goldman Sachs commie. Okay.

00:55:50.300 He's, he's a Siemens corporation commie. If you, if we could ever get people to understand that,

00:55:55.020 then they would, they would, we would make some progress, but you can never get a boomer to

00:55:59.780 understand. I've never, ever convinced a boomer of that. And I've tried many times. I've, I can't

00:56:04.620 tell you how many times i've shown all of these articles to boomers and they're just like yeah

00:56:09.620 but it's some russian commies that are going to get us and i'm like dude north korea they don't

00:56:15.140 they're not going to nuke you man like they're not there's not this is not 1986 like the the

00:56:21.380 wall the wall came down man right like we're not in the cold war it's it's it's why do you think

00:56:29.160 the democrats are pushing the cold war mccarthy story of the russians running the election that's

00:56:36.700 crazy the boomers seem to think that it was just wonderful all of these freedoms and rights and 0.99

00:56:43.940 and whatnot that they grew up with and these kids these days have just taken them a little bit far

00:56:48.680 but they're gonna rein it back in you know they'll get back together they they don't see that this is

00:56:54.960 an ongoing issue that stretches back hundreds of years and you don't know like super chat um how do

00:57:02.100 we put humpty dumpty of how do we put the humpty dumpty of true authority back together again and

00:57:06.720 that's exactly it the the problem as i said before the chat started we were kind of talking about the

00:57:14.600 crazy people that each one of us has had associations with in the past that's because

00:57:20.120 anytime you step out of the Overton window you wind up with a lot of weird bedfellows

00:57:27.040 and the normies out there because the elites are playing these crazy power games the normie can't

00:57:33.820 really figure out they become distrustful of all authority and so you know to put it one way

00:57:39.980 you know you or I might say giving a giving a three-month-old baby 30 vaccinations is probably

00:57:47.180 a bad idea and then somebody that agrees with us says yeah and they're putting aluminium in

00:57:53.980 our toothpaste to control our minds well they're probably not doing that this is the problem there

00:58:00.700 is the normies need elites that they can trust and look up to and they don't have that right

00:58:07.960 right right and that's why cult of personality and the alt-right is that's what happens is that

00:58:13.900 people end up following a celebrity figure and then as soon as the celebrity figure has their

00:58:19.800 faux pas or collapses the whole thing is is done so people need an ideology they need more than

00:58:27.840 than the celebrity figure on youtube they need a worldview they need a community they need a

00:58:32.940 church those are the things that people need to actually have a change in their life and in their

00:58:38.140 community and that we have a template of that in the history in history so we know it works

00:58:42.880 it's not idea it's not purely uh ideological right it's not just some utopian thing that

00:58:49.600 maybe this we can do this no we've already done this it's built so it's already built

00:58:54.160 civilization we've already built things like byzantium right uh and it can and it can happen

00:58:58.940 again but it has to i think occur in a more uh we have to earn it we as individuals we as

00:59:11.020 a people yeah yeah you gotta start with yourself obviously exactly like you gotta you can't just

00:59:16.400 you can't avoid things like changing your own life you're not going to fix everybody else

00:59:22.100 before you fix yourself that's that's a great point that roosh is always making

00:59:25.900 which is what everybody else is trying to do to fix everybody else instead of dealing with their

00:59:32.720 own problems another great example is climate change uh i know that we're not really focused

00:59:42.500 on that tonight but it's a it's a good point to show that look yes in a way a lot of the climate

00:59:50.920 change stuff is Marxist or socialist or whatever. But who is funding climate change throughout the

00:59:57.360 world? It's the big corporations. That's who's funding it. It's the big banks. I mean, it comes

01:00:02.940 out of the Club of Rome. It comes out of the Rockefeller Foundation money and support. The big

01:00:09.200 oil company, Shell BP, they have a huge stake in promoting the climate change agenda. So that's

01:00:16.700 something that that most normies or or fox news watchers they think oh that's the that's a liberal

01:00:22.580 socialist marxist thing is promoting promoting all that climate change no it's actually the 1.00

01:00:28.100 monopoly capitalists that are promoting climate change yeah there's a layer of duped idiot 1.00

01:00:32.880 socialists in there promoting it too but who do you think funds these idiot socialists they don't 1.00

01:00:39.720 make any money where do they get their money from people like david rockefeller and yes from jews 1.00

01:00:43.900 too there are jewish bankers that fund it too you know to go back to the cult of personality 0.90

01:00:49.460 it's always reminded me of the summer king so the summer king was maybe apocryphal but a phenomenon

01:00:57.120 around amongst savage tribes where they would promote one person to be the king and that person 0.89

01:01:03.300 was just lauded with the summer season all the crops harvested that's all because he's a great 1.00

01:01:08.560 king and the moment that you get a bad harvest or at the end of summer you kill the son of a bitch 1.00

01:01:15.380 okay that's what the celebrity worship is you see you see poor little girls like britney spears 1.00

01:01:21.180 who are just raised up to be this madonna-like figure that people worship and then 10 years

01:01:29.380 later the same people that worshiped her turn against her in the most vicious manner possible

01:01:35.000 and start speculating about what our handlers are doing and all that.

01:01:39.220 And the cult of personality that we're seeing in the alt-right are the exact same sort of things.

01:01:43.120 There's a great inability to separate the person and the position in the modern mind.

01:01:51.820 One thing that Catholics will point out is that, yeah, we've had bad popes.

01:01:58.980 The pope is just a man.

01:02:01.140 And when he is fulfilling his role as the vicar of Christ, that's a position in his private life.

01:02:07.940 He might have some major personal flaws, but that's the position and the person are two different things.

01:02:14.500 The king, the personage of the king and the king as an individual are two separate things.

01:02:23.360 And we want to make it's no different than deifying Caesar at the end of the day.

01:02:28.280 well i i would say that you're we're hitting on points that are really illustrative of the weak

01:02:37.580 weak points in the right paleo conservative alt-right alt-light whatever when it becomes a

01:02:44.340 personality cult that's partly just because of human nature humans don't just follow ideologies

01:02:51.380 they follow and commune with other human beings we're made that way but what's interesting about

01:02:56.920 and i think you guys and i would agree at least we have a tradition east and west where we have

01:03:02.880 saints i mean that's kind of the point of saints i'm not saying strictly speaking that they're an

01:03:08.000 idea that they're a personality cult but it does kind of touch on that that aspect of you know you

01:03:14.180 take a saint when you're confirmed or you you have some special association with this guy because you

01:03:19.840 read his book and it really influenced you and so you you're partial to the saint whoever i mean

01:03:24.820 that's kind of an aspect to which we already have that thing there for us too so so in any of these

01:03:31.880 realms we already have a template and so that's what's kind of amazing to me is that you know a

01:03:37.700 lot of the stuff that's happening in the alt-right a lot of these alt-like people like they're they're

01:03:41.580 kind of groping in the dark and even jared taylor was saying on one of these streams like that that

01:03:47.060 okay the the weak part of the alt-right is that it doesn't really have an ideology it's just kind

01:03:53.200 of like we don't like this um maybe we should have an ethno state of some kind and then that's

01:03:58.680 it but you really can't change things with something that loose you need a kind of program

01:04:05.120 a template for me obviously you know it comes with orthodox theology and philosophy uh you

01:04:11.520 you guys and i would agree at least on the first thousand years of the church we already kind of

01:04:15.200 have a template of of a basic pattern of what to look for and so you know as long as the alt-right

01:04:21.720 remains in the sphere of uh just arguing you know our selection case election and

01:04:28.780 uh you know how bad Haiti is okay then what it's it's just doomed to be part of this 1.00

01:04:38.520 this I don't want to call this cycle of history because it's such

01:04:43.640 it's more like the fashion cycle right where fashion is the only thing that's so ugly we

01:04:49.740 need to get rid of it every three years it's the same thing with modern politics where it

01:04:54.120 ultimately comes to nothing because it's at the core of it is just the will to power

01:05:02.120 there's a worship of the self as opposed to service to god absolutely yeah i mean that's

01:05:10.400 when you read about babel i mean that's really you know the modern world is babel

01:05:14.300 that's where they sought to build a tower to heaven and this is contrasted with abraham who 0.68

01:05:23.060 builds an altar and calls upon the name of the lord so there's there's a specific contrast in

01:05:28.380 genesis between these two attempts at cultures culture creation abraham's culture is centered

01:05:34.180 around the idea of god first divine law moral law uh the babel culture is built around we will make 0.96

01:05:43.260 a name for ourselves and build a tower to heaven well the thing about all these groups is that they

01:05:49.300 they form their identities around extremely loose and and difficult concepts that are not

01:05:56.000 capable of holding together but the alt-right builds their identity around race which going

01:06:02.120 by the concentric circles of identity is the weakest way to bind people the easiest way to

01:06:07.140 bind people would be through family then you know local area you know city town then then nation 0.77

01:06:13.160 etc state you know that race is the absolute weakest way to bind people because it's so 1.00

01:06:18.500 amorphous i mean i'm not arguing there's no white race there obviously there obviously is

01:06:23.040 but white race encompasses everything from americans to hungarians to british to russians

01:06:29.080 etc you can't throw that under one one roof and expect and expect anything uh concrete to come out

01:06:36.420 of it uh same thing goes for these other groups like the skeptics or excuse me the liberalists

01:06:41.100 They form their identity around skepticism or whatever it is.

01:06:46.280 Libertarians form their idea around freedom.

01:06:49.720 None of these people have any real concrete roots in anything real.

01:06:53.560 And it shows in the movements they end up creating.

01:06:57.140 All right.

01:06:58.020 Gregory Trump, what is this?

01:07:00.460 Super test me five bucks.

01:07:01.600 Use the Robin Hood trading app.

01:07:03.300 Give me a free stock.

01:07:05.100 And he lists his email.

01:07:06.380 Dude, what is that?

01:07:08.720 He's a regular commenter.

01:07:10.360 So we're actually getting quite a lot of angry.

01:07:13.960 I mean, isn't this just a, you know, they hate you, know that they hated me first.

01:07:20.100 It's just amazing how much the name of Christ causes in the world.

01:07:27.120 So people are mad that Jesus is being named.

01:07:32.020 I've literally seen people break out in cold sweats and start shaking at the mention of the name Jesus Christ.

01:07:37.740 we may have to pull that project

01:07:43.020 you wanted to put together Davis

01:07:44.280 get free billboards

01:07:45.400 the first one says Roosh V

01:07:48.420 the second one says Donald Trump

01:07:49.820 the third one says Jesus Christ

01:07:51.220 get all the liberals to drive off the road

01:07:53.480 I was thinking of putting it in Atlanta

01:07:56.780 I'll just leave it at that

01:07:59.040 Matt you had a great point

01:08:05.040 where you were talking about

01:08:05.920 I think it was you were talking about the skeptic community

01:08:07.920 or maybe it was Bechteloff or Bechteloff,

01:08:10.320 whatever his name is.

01:08:12.120 I forgot what you were saying.

01:08:13.780 Bechteloff.

01:08:14.880 Bechteloff, excuse me.

01:08:17.420 There was something that was being said

01:08:19.320 about the clashing together of alt-right

01:08:23.200 and skeptic communities kind of dissolving the two.

01:08:28.920 I don't know.

01:08:29.500 I think maybe a lot of the skeptic people are kind of,

01:08:32.900 i don't see that lasting very long i'm really hoping this big debate with uh one of the big

01:08:40.360 big name youtube skeptics happens um on the warski stream we'll see but

01:08:45.300 was that was it you making that point or see i can't remember yeah i think it was him because

01:08:50.240 i don't recall making it but yeah skepticism is on its last legs uh i mean the whole atheism

01:08:55.900 Internet atheism has been on a downward decline in the recent years.

01:09:02.500 I'd say the fishing point was when it's bifurcated into atheism plus because the feminists were not too happy that a movement dedicated primarily to denying the existence of God was not focused on how oppressed women were. 1.00

01:09:17.220 And now you have – that big debate between Sargon and Richard Spencer, that really broke Sargon mentally.

01:09:26.980 I mean I'm no fan of Richard Spencer, but Spencer pretty much – Spencer inflicted narcissistic injury on Sargon.

01:09:34.240 And ever since then, Sargon is just trying to prove to the world and to Spencer that he's right and I'm the smart one. 0.98

01:09:42.360 And I know all about liberty, and you alt-righters are just acting like a bunch of niggers. 1.00

01:09:49.060 You know, somebody else made this observation. 0.98

01:09:51.680 I forget whom.

01:09:52.260 I wish I could take credit for it. 0.99

01:09:54.060 But Sargon is – he's got a monkey on his back trying to prove to the world that he's not stupid, 1.00

01:10:00.340 which is why he calls other people stupid all the time. 1.00

01:10:03.100 The word stupid really, really triggers him. 1.00

01:10:06.100 And, yeah, and Spencer smashed that button, and now he's gone a little bit wacky. 1.00

01:10:12.360 trying to prove that he's not stupid 0.97

01:10:13.920 and that 1850s Germany wasn't part of Western civilization. 0.96

01:10:24.060 I seriously are arguing now that, like, you know,

01:10:27.120 the alt-right is trying to attack my heritage.

01:10:30.480 The British have fought for freedom for 800 years.

01:10:34.060 If you exclude Ireland, India, the United States, South Africa,

01:10:39.400 all these other places, yeah, the British were fighting for freedom.

01:10:41.900 if you just plot out about 80% of British history.

01:10:46.220 Well, what about Elizabeth actually being more of a tyrant 1.00

01:10:51.160 persecuting Catholics than Bloody Mary?

01:10:54.880 A lot of people don't know that,

01:10:55.960 but Elizabeth killed more people than, quote, Bloody Mary. 1.00

01:11:00.700 So this is kind of a mythology of, oh, because of Magna Carta,

01:11:06.540 we've always been about freedom.

01:11:09.140 Not really.

01:11:09.940 Come on.

01:11:11.900 this is the thing it's you nailed it when you pointed out it's babble that when you you try

01:11:19.340 and talk to these people it's they don't hear what you're saying because at the root the root

01:11:25.880 of it they're just using their words like sledgehammers okay they're they're donning the

01:11:30.520 outfit of logic and reason just to pursue personal power and it's devolved to the point in this day

01:11:37.500 where to a large extent it's narcissistic supply we have so many people that are just after

01:11:43.980 they've completely rejected objective reality and they just want to be the hero and one of the

01:11:51.820 again the alt-right thinking that charlottesville was a great victory for them this is classic

01:11:59.560 narcissistic projection okay the the left wants to pretend that they're the heroes that they're the

01:12:04.660 the sjw paladins and the right wants to believe the exact same thing and so they won't acknowledge

01:12:10.900 objective reality and if you try and debate like i point out that homosexuality tends to leave

01:12:16.620 lead to a miserable old age and that that young girl says well i'm going to go make put my tongue 0.93

01:12:22.600 down another girl's throat well hey you're really showing me but that's the this is what happened

01:12:28.780 and we are like barking dogs.

01:12:35.000 Go ahead, Matt.

01:12:37.820 I'll let you go.

01:12:38.920 I was just going to make a joke.

01:12:41.520 No, go ahead.

01:12:42.800 That's what I was going to say.

01:12:44.020 It goes back to, I remember the dearly departed YouTuber,

01:12:47.900 Asymmetrical Warfare, a friend of mine, Davis.

01:12:49.960 He made this point in a now-deleted video.

01:12:53.300 Like, leftists will often threaten to harm themselves

01:12:55.580 in an attempt to get at you.

01:12:57.760 I mean, I'm reminded of, like, in 2016 when I think it was Kellogg pulled their advertising from Breitbart.

01:13:06.600 So the right announced the boycott of Breitbart.

01:13:09.400 And then there was that guy on Twitter who was all like, well, here's how you can really piss off the alt-right by buying Kellogg's eating Pop-Tarts and other Kellogg's products. 0.99

01:13:17.820 And he posts a picture of himself, and he's this, like, fat ass with his shirt off, and he eats Pop-Tarts. 0.98

01:13:23.240 And I'm like, you're not hurting us, buddy. 0.99

01:13:25.740 All you're hurting is yourself.

01:13:27.000 You're just ensuring you'll end up dead of a heart attack in about 10 years instead of 15.

01:13:32.420 But go right ahead. Enjoy. Enjoy yourself.

01:13:36.200 It's children having a tantrum. It's like a showing out, basically, is the way these people act.

01:13:42.440 And I remember even in college when I was a grad student in my 30s and I would interact with this is not too long ago.

01:13:49.820 So this is when there already are social justice warrior people on campus. 0.86

01:13:53.860 they're putting up the coney 2012 crap everywhere they're talking about how they're going to save 0.98

01:13:58.120 the children uh and they're promoting all this transgender stuff on campus and you interact with 0.99

01:14:05.660 them you debate with them in a class or whatever and they lose their mind and they they they're

01:14:11.320 i mean not just everybody's saying trigglypuff but i'm saying like like it's a tantrum it's like

01:14:16.720 let me just act like i'm a four-year-old kid who ate a bunch of candy going nuts um

01:14:24.600 it's it's the narcissistic injury the the narcissist just to briefly describe them

01:14:30.200 lord knows i've talked about them enough but if you're new to this channel what narcissism is not

01:14:35.360 egoism okay trump is an egoist he thinks very highly of himself maybe a little bit too highly

01:14:41.500 but the narcissist is actually somebody that loathes themselves and so they need to manufacture 0.99

01:14:47.520 reality where they aren't a contemptible piece of garbage so i mean the fat activists do this by 0.96

01:14:53.640 saying you know yes that's a good point and they demand to manufacture this reality because they 0.98

01:14:59.880 they reject god they reject the absolute level of reality they reject the objective level of reality

01:15:05.100 all they're left with is subjective and so to create this this ego for themselves so that they

01:15:11.360 can pretend that they're not self-loathing they demand that you also believe what they believe

01:15:16.620 about themselves and the moment you pierce that narcissistic shell all that self-loathing comes

01:15:22.800 out it's like boiling water shooting out of a radiator hose straight into your face it's just

01:15:27.580 yes they're actually they're mad at their conscience is what it boils down to because

01:15:31.500 we all have a conscience and their own conscience testifies to them that the reason that they're

01:15:38.160 500 pounds, the reason that they're having these issues is because of bad choices that they've

01:15:43.260 made. Now, yes, I mean, people can be abused and they can have mental problems. I'm not denying

01:15:48.080 that. But for most of these people, not everybody's been abused. Okay. Most of these people have made

01:15:54.760 bad choices and rather than admit that they need to change they project that onto society and they

01:16:03.620 demand in society you know the only reason that that you know you don't accept me as i am is

01:16:10.100 because of your social construct prejudice but no it's actually because the world is objective

01:16:16.100 there are objective facts there's objective right and wrong and and they're reacting against their

01:16:21.120 own conscience testifying against them, I would say. Incidentally, this is why objective and

01:16:26.660 logical argument doesn't work against them. Because one example of a narcissist is the guy

01:16:33.000 that he wants, his narcissistic bubble is that he's the pillar of the community, that he has a

01:16:38.900 great house and a brand new car and a successful business. Reality is that it's all credit cards,

01:16:44.360 that he's not making any money. He's actually a loser. He's not good at business, but he needs 1.00

01:16:48.480 to convince everybody else he is now that guy will go out and he will constantly criticize people

01:16:54.840 for spending money with their credit card even though that's what he's doing because it's not

01:16:59.920 about an objective reality or an objective moral law it's about maintaining the delusion so a fat 0.97

01:17:06.000 activist will attack you for being overweight or some disgusting freak that nobody wants to have 1.00

01:17:13.980 sex with will accuse Roosh V of being a virgin. 0.99

01:17:17.520 You know, it doesn't make any sense because this is not the world of logic and objective

01:17:21.600 law.

01:17:22.020 This is not God's world.

01:17:23.320 This is hell.

01:17:26.240 It is.

01:17:27.120 It is.

01:17:27.640 The Orthodox always, you know, hell begins now as does heaven and the Orthodox perspective. 0.97

01:17:33.060 And it makes me think of, there's a great documentary that everybody should watch.

01:17:38.440 Well, it's not a documentary.

01:17:39.160 it's like a 60 minutes australia and it's about the the pedo scandal in the australian parliament

01:17:46.240 and in the uk parliament uh how it was networks savill all that stuff and the reason i recommend

01:17:53.300 that it's on youtube is that they interview this guy who is this pedo dude and he's like uh we need

01:17:59.480 to have this social society-wide it needs to be accepted everywhere and the interviewer was like

01:18:05.700 why why do you feel this way and he's like because the only thing that's wrong about any of this

01:18:12.240 and me raping kids or whatever is that society has foisted upon me that it's wrong it's not

01:18:18.820 actually wrong i'm actually okay everything's i'm good i'm fine i'm good i'm okay but the but 0.96

01:18:24.880 this quote society has made this uh an issue that troubles my conscience it's not actually my

01:18:31.760 conscience is society so that guy actually is a perfect illustration of this point

01:18:36.440 now it was c.s lewis i believe who said that the gates of hell are locked from the inside

01:18:45.380 guys this is what you are seeing okay when somebody rejects objective truth they're they're

01:18:52.080 rejecting god they are rejecting any humbleness they are rejecting yeah self-knowledge uh there

01:18:58.380 was a saint who had a vision of the spirits of the spirits upon the earth that were basically

01:19:05.440 like they're not allowed in heaven and there was just constant insults and sexual invectives and

01:19:12.860 just just pure the nastiest sort of arguing and fighting that you can think of and this is where

01:19:19.880 it leads okay i think a lot of us have been on some sort of path that was fun at first but was

01:19:26.640 going towards a dark place and we pulled ourselves off of it this is the the whole modern world

01:19:33.840 is about sending souls straight into hell and if you open your eyes to it you can see it and that's

01:19:40.380 i mean like we start off talking about you know liberalism and how to build a correct society

01:19:47.300 well the the whole point of a correct society is that it gets souls to heaven you know it teaches

01:19:52.600 people humbleness and hard work and honesty and virtue okay that's that's what we need if you

01:19:59.080 embody these traits in yourself if you get off that path straight into hell then you're going

01:20:04.640 to be doing your part to build that great society you can't do one without the other well it's like

01:20:11.760 uh what mephistopheles said when faust asked him what hell was like and and mephisto and mephisto

01:20:17.120 says well i'm in hell right now it's horrible and faust was all like ah this is hell that's so bad 0.71

01:20:22.400 missing the point hell's not a place it's a state of mind it's a state of of total isolation from

01:20:29.620 the truth and this is some and the same point was made by uh by the most educational porn film ever

01:20:37.020 made uh the devil and miss jones how so uh the plot's about a woman who uh kills herself and

01:20:45.780 ends up in purgatory because she doesn't uh you know because she even though she was a good person 0.98

01:20:50.140 and she killed herself.

01:20:51.420 So she petitions to earn her way into hell 1.00

01:20:53.720 by being reincarnated and then going on a, 1.00

01:20:57.320 just having sex with every guy imaginable. 0.99

01:21:00.200 She ends up becoming a full-blown nymphomaniac, 0.99

01:21:02.340 and then, you know, they're coming back to get her soul,

01:21:04.960 and she's like, I'm ready for hell, I'm ready for the flames,

01:21:07.180 and instead of being put into, like, hell of the flames,

01:21:10.680 for her, hell is being trapped in a completely featureless room 0.99

01:21:14.220 with a man who does not want to have sex with her, 1.00

01:21:18.200 and she is desperate to have sex with him. 0.99

01:21:20.140 And that's her life for all of eternity. 0.96

01:21:23.520 You know, think about these people that scream and have tantrums when you misgender them.

01:21:29.940 How the hell could that person wind up in heaven?

01:21:34.380 Could you imagine being a roommate with that person?

01:21:38.480 This is a great point that touches on, I'm not trying to go off into like a big theological thing.

01:21:47.120 This is just a quick point.

01:21:48.340 a lot of times people say is there a distinction between like a medieval you know Dante style

01:21:56.520 vision of hell as opposed to the orthodox view and and yes there is actually if you read the

01:22:03.160 great C.S. Lewis books not very long it's pretty short uh The Great Divorce that's kind of our view

01:22:08.480 of hell and and it's essentially what you're saying Davis it's like in the story they they

01:22:13.960 transport a bunch of people who wanted to go to hell and they're kind of transported by bus into

01:22:20.680 heaven. And the thing about it is, is that they, they can't stand it. They actually hate being

01:22:26.240 there. They don't want to be in an environment, as you said, based around what's true, what's

01:22:30.880 objective, what's actually loving and so forth. It's literally torturous to them to be around

01:22:37.040 truth and so they chose hell because they would rather be in this kind of egoistic narcissist

01:22:44.100 you know narcissist is looking at himself a reflection of himself in the mirror for all

01:22:48.740 eternity right i mean that's that's the that is the condemnation is is completely being alone

01:22:54.840 basically just with you forever uh the blackness of darkness as jesus describes it so in the same

01:23:01.020 way you know that we we totally say 100 what you were saying there is that that it doesn't even

01:23:09.260 use people think that hell oh hell's not fair it doesn't make any sense no it's it's actually it

01:23:13.720 begins now and it's and it's people who want to be in that kind of a situation because they would

01:23:20.080 not even if you took them to heaven they wouldn't want to be there let's see gregory uh trump just

01:23:26.160 sent me another super chat and by the way that thing he mentioned earlier was uh stock trading

01:23:31.340 or something you get a free stock i'm not sure uh there should be a comment below if you're

01:23:35.040 watching this after the stream but he says bernie bros should read the book rich dad poor dad

01:23:39.540 um i honestly i'm not so sure about that book uh i've heard very questionable things about the

01:23:44.860 author it's i don't know it's a sort of advice that sounds really deep but i worry it's like

01:23:53.300 the secret okay it can lead a lot of people okay but thanks for the mammons anyway uh oh yeah for 0.84

01:24:02.420 the mammons as a sir septic would put it yeah appreciate it brother just my two cents on the

01:24:09.260 book um my two my two cents and this is this may sound corny and it may sound protestant but uh one

01:24:17.120 thing i found that's helped me in the last maybe two years is that i quite frequently will listen

01:24:22.120 to on my iphone or whatever through the headphones i'll listen to the book of proverbs

01:24:27.280 so like people are looking for you know practical kind of self-help type stuff that's what the book

01:24:33.900 proverbs is actually just a a catechism for young men that's what it was written for um so

01:24:40.020 i i listen to it like at least once a month all the way through i would recommend doing that

01:24:45.400 That's a great idea.

01:24:49.480 You know, it's, yeah, I had a business partner that decided that destroying himself to hurt me was more important than us both succeeding.

01:25:03.440 And see, this is the nature of the narcissist, of the hellbound soul.

01:25:08.880 They are more interested in screaming obscenities than in discoursing or appreciating anything beautiful.

01:25:18.500 Yeah, this is part of the reason I'm not a big fan of these Internet bump fights, because I just I don't want that negative energy in my environment.

01:25:26.320 You know, I don't like I was on that stream with with Roosh about the trad tots and we had some ladies on there and we didn't argue with them.

01:25:33.580 Why the hell would we do that?

01:25:35.040 Why would we bring argument into our walled-off garden?

01:25:41.600 I'm not saying don't watch the bumfights if you're getting something out of them, 1.00

01:25:45.260 but I'm looking at that, and that's a little bit too close to hell for the world I want to live in.

01:25:59.620 You know, with that, I think we've done a pretty good job with this topic.

01:26:04.720 You know, it's kind of, it's a big idea. It's, it's hard to communicate what exactly we're talking about, because we're talking about the ineffable. We're talking about something that you can't really put into words, but like by definition, you can't put it into words. And yet it's absolutely necessary on a, on a mathematical, philosophical.

01:26:23.920 Yeah, I was going to say, you can use another math analogy, because we all understand the idea of positive integers. And at the same time, there is, there are negative numbers. We can't exactly explain how this is, or what exactly a negative number is. But in some way, there's some, there's some means by which there's a progression into, to the infinity of non-existence or non-being.

01:26:52.220 uh and and there is some analogy there to to hell in some way or to the dark side of the spiritual

01:26:59.680 forces or whatever i i think that the uh this is kind of a goofy pop culture analogy but if you

01:27:07.660 watched stranger things not the second season where it got all feminist sjw but the first season 0.99

01:27:13.300 was it was really good and you have the upside down world uh you know this is i remember having

01:27:18.880 a bad trip one time and it was like the upside down world i was like this is this has got to be

01:27:23.720 what what hell's like it's well i'll tell you it's the demons and souls in hell

01:27:33.900 like the god's word the logos is existence itself and hell is the strange place where they

01:27:43.100 continue to exist without existence yeah lies need a truth to glom onto to to propagate themselves

01:27:54.040 even though they're the opposite of truth and so what you see with these these hellbound souls is

01:27:59.980 this desperation to latch on to the good and twist it towards evil even though it's self-defeating

01:28:07.000 you're just destroying the good in the process but it's this left of their own devices they have

01:28:12.420 absolutely nothing which is why they're constant yeah others have pointed out that a socialist

01:28:18.140 socialists can never just leave well enough alone like okay you go have your little socialist

01:28:22.220 communist utopia over in california no they ruin it and then they spread everywhere else well this

01:28:27.240 is yeah they have it it's it's like leaven like jesus says like it has to it's like it has to

01:28:33.920 can grow the corruption has to grow i mean matt you were talking about this with like the grooming

01:28:39.080 of people on the right, you know, 0.97

01:28:40.680 into this parasitical kind of gay stuff. 0.98

01:28:46.060 Exactly. It's not 0.97

01:28:47.020 enough to keep to their own devices. It never

01:28:48.900 is. Like, either you're

01:28:50.920 getting better or you're getting worse. There's

01:28:52.960 no maintaining the status quo

01:28:54.980 ever. Right, right, right, right.

01:28:57.000 Totally agree.

01:28:59.140 And yeah, what we're seeing now, the

01:29:00.900 devolution of Western civilization

01:29:02.980 into modern

01:29:04.900 babble and identity politics

01:29:07.140 and narcissism, this was

01:29:09.080 this was set into motion as soon as

01:29:11.480 we rejected God and started

01:29:13.460 worshiping man.

01:29:17.580 And the only way to get around it, like going back

01:29:19.500 to classical liberalism, going back to 1950

01:29:21.640 or 1900 or 1850

01:29:23.780 or 1750 is

01:29:25.480 insufficient. What we need

01:29:27.560 to do is go back to God.

01:29:30.620 Yeah, and I'm

01:29:31.460 actually optimistic because

01:29:32.840 in the first

01:29:35.540 second century, it would

01:29:37.440 seem very dismal because you have this giant mammonistic pagan empire uh things don't look 1.00

01:29:46.420 very very hopeful uh and then you have the spread of the church almost miraculously from nothing

01:29:53.600 to essentially encompassing the entire roman imperium the orcumene and so i would say in the

01:30:00.060 same way maybe in our day it's like we and the the spread of the church wouldn't have happened

01:30:06.580 without Koine Greek, without Alexander the Great spreading this language

01:30:11.740 across his empire, which would be adopted into the Roman Empire.

01:30:17.740 And so in the same way, I'd see the Internet kind of like Koine Greek. 0.59

01:30:20.880 I think that there is the possibility of things actually changing in the future

01:30:26.140 and breaking out of a lot of this stuff through a return to God.

01:30:33.920 Absolutely.

01:30:35.020 And it is happening.

01:30:38.380 And guys, if you need some affirmation for yourself,

01:30:40.940 I strongly recommend the TV series, The Young Pope.

01:30:43.880 Have you had a chance to see that, J. Dyer?

01:30:46.080 I have not.

01:30:47.380 It is, the only unrealistic part of it

01:30:50.980 is that the Pope has never really sinned.

01:30:56.540 That he is...

01:30:57.740 Is this the Jude Law series?

01:30:59.760 Yes.

01:31:00.600 He is a living saint.

01:31:02.600 And in reality, all the saints were sinners originally.

01:31:05.520 They all, it took a while for them to become saints.

01:31:08.500 So that's the only unrealistic part.

01:31:10.680 But if you had a saint for Pope,

01:31:15.460 this is what it would be like,

01:31:17.120 where he is very hard with the justice

01:31:20.340 because we've shown too much mercy for too long.

01:31:22.780 And yet he's not without mercy.

01:31:24.960 He's got the balance between the two.

01:31:26.980 It's a wonderful, wonderful series to watch.

01:31:29.280 i will have to check that out i i've expected it would have been just awful and blasphemous and

01:31:36.360 you know degenerate but uh i'm surprised to hear that that it's not uh i would recommend a book

01:31:42.260 that i know you you guys would like even though it's it's from orthodox perspective is uh but

01:31:47.420 it's actually converted a lot of atheists a lot of nihilists is a father rose's book nihilism

01:31:52.920 that's a really good 100 page 150 page book on modernity how classical liberalism's logical

01:32:01.180 conclusion actually is nihilism i'll have to check it out and uh guys i'm going to take all

01:32:08.740 the links we've mentioned and put them into the description once we're done streaming and again

01:32:14.360 we've been going for an hour and a half we could talk for hours but i i want to end it now because

01:32:19.920 that way people can watch

01:32:22.160 it and hopefully pay attention and get

01:32:23.920 something out of it. I think it's been a great

01:32:26.000 chat. Forney, do you have any final

01:32:28.040 thoughts?

01:32:29.400 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:30.680 And Jay?

01:32:38.680 Hopefully I will have

01:32:40.020 a debate Thursday with

01:32:41.700 one of the big YouTube atheists in it 0.57

01:32:43.980 and it will actually be profitable, hopefully, and not

01:32:45.980 just a shitstorm blood sport,

01:32:48.160 but we'll see.

01:32:49.920 Yeah, it's always worth trying.

01:32:52.820 All right.

01:32:53.300 Well, this is Jay Dyer.

01:32:54.820 Your website is, it's linked down below, but what's your website again?

01:33:01.020 Jay'sAnalysis.com.

01:33:02.600 Jay'sAnalysis.

01:33:03.260 And it's just Jay Dyer, D-Y-E-R, on YouTube to find me.

01:33:07.880 He's got excellent philosophical videos.

01:33:10.580 And go check out that debate.

01:33:11.540 You said it's Thursday?

01:33:12.100 uh if this big youtube atheist person agrees to it which i'm not 100 certain they will but

01:33:21.060 it's it's been in the works for a couple weeks now and it should be thursday on the warski stream

01:33:25.980 maybe oh best of luck with i'm sure it'll be edifying regardless listen folks thank you very

01:33:32.120 much for listening i i hope this was useful again we're trying to point towards the ineffable it's

01:33:37.520 never been easy. But yeah, go read the book of Proverbs. Check out the links that I'm going to

01:33:43.160 add below. And deus volt, folks. You guys have a great day. Thank you for the super chats. Thank

01:33:49.820 you for listening. Arini out.

Leo D.M.J. Aurini - February 13, 2018

＂The Devil was the First Whig＂ Liberalism & Modernism with Jay Dyer & Matt Forney

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