Leo D.M.J. Aurini - June 09, 2015


Yes, Margaret, There is a Devil： An Explanation of Extant Evil

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narcissistic culture evil
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Leo D.M.J. Aurini
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Oprah Christina Hoff Summers Camille Paglia Margaret Aaron
Fictional Settings, Baggage, & Telling New Stories The Fatal Flaw of Objectivism

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There is an explanation of evil, and it's not what you think it is! - Margaret Atwood, author of The Devil Next Door: An Explanation of Fathomless Evil, discusses evil, narcissism, and the narcissist culture.

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:00:30.000 Yes, Margaret, there is a devil.
00:00:33.520 An explanation of extant evil.
00:00:37.120 Now, this is a question I get a lot, although it takes different forms.
00:00:44.120 Sometimes people ask me, are you just dehumanizing people by calling them leftists?
00:00:52.540 Now, other times it's...
00:00:55.900 Your explanation of what happened doesn't make any sense. 0.97
00:00:58.760 Nobody could be that crazy or insane. 0.94
00:01:05.260 Surely there must be another explanation. 0.94
00:01:07.740 You know, what you said is just too out there.
00:01:10.380 I can't believe that that's what actually happened.
00:01:14.620 And you see, with each of these...
00:01:16.740 Each time I get this question, it's because I'm talking about evil.
00:01:21.480 And that's what I'm going to try and explain to you folks in this video.
00:01:27.240 The nature of evil.
00:01:29.480 Because it doesn't make any sense.
00:01:32.260 We're not talking about greed.
00:01:35.100 Greed is, I'm going to rob a bank because I want a bunch of money.
00:01:38.640 You know, that makes sense.
00:01:39.980 But we're not talking about competition over scarce resources.
00:01:47.540 You know, if there's scarce resources, then people are going to fight over them.
00:01:51.980 Again, that's human nature.
00:01:53.420 That's normal.
00:01:54.720 You know, we're not talking about anger.
00:01:57.520 You know, it's like I'm furious with this person, so I'm going to... 0.62
00:02:00.520 I want to hurt them.
00:02:01.380 We're not talking about that. 0.97
00:02:02.760 That's prosaic.
00:02:03.740 That's easy.
00:02:04.460 That's normal.
00:02:08.200 No, we're going to be talking about evil.
00:02:12.060 And there's a quote that starts off the...
00:02:14.800 One of my favorite video games.
00:02:16.520 Pathologic.
00:02:16.920 They're working on a remake with an actual English translation.
00:02:21.280 So I'll hold off for that.
00:02:23.480 But the quote starts...
00:02:24.920 Evidence of the supernatural appears far more often than reasonable men would like.
00:02:39.580 And this is one of those cases.
00:02:42.540 This is not reasonable.
00:02:44.440 This is not materialist.
00:02:47.000 This is inexplicable.
00:02:50.400 You know, I really think that good Christians and good Jews...
00:02:54.920 You need to have faith in God.
00:02:57.340 You need to make the decision to have faith in God.
00:03:01.380 Because you're not going to find God anywhere out there.
00:03:04.560 But if you look...
00:03:07.380 Satan is something that you know exists.
00:03:15.060 So let's start off.
00:03:16.140 We're going to talk about narcissism.
00:03:17.580 And our narcissistic culture.
00:03:20.960 The last psychiatrist writes brilliantly about this.
00:03:24.480 About how narcissistic and ego-driven our culture is.
00:03:32.720 And it's in so many ways.
00:03:35.380 It's so hard to actually get out of this conversation.
00:03:38.800 It's almost...
00:03:40.760 You know, like I'm sure we've all noticed a lot of newspeak.
00:03:43.980 A lot of 1984 newspeak.
00:03:46.020 Where you can't actually speak rationally.
00:03:48.820 Because the words don't mean what they used to mean anymore.
00:03:51.480 And it's...
00:03:53.480 You know, I wish we had a ministry of truth disseminating all of this.
00:03:56.580 It's worse than that.
00:03:57.640 It's a system-wide narcissistic culture.
00:04:02.620 So you've got...
00:04:03.640 Like, for instance, NPR.
00:04:05.300 Whenever they talk about politics...
00:04:07.300 And I really recommend you listen to some of this.
00:04:10.600 Tune into NPR.
00:04:11.800 Listen to them talk about politics.
00:04:13.140 It's all about the perception.
00:04:16.720 Everything that happens politically...
00:04:19.100 Is only done to influence the political base.
00:04:23.740 You know, this politician is voting for this.
00:04:26.200 So that he looks like he's really strong on these moral standards.
00:04:30.980 Moral standards themselves are just outfits that we put on to impress other people.
00:04:39.960 Whether it's an SJW promoting equality or a conservative opposing gay marriage.
00:04:46.560 These are outfits that we put on.
00:04:50.580 You've got, you know, Oprah.
00:04:52.440 Whenever Oprah is talking to parents about child rearing.
00:04:55.380 At the core, the underlying subtext of the conversation is that the way your children turn out is a reflection upon you.
00:05:03.920 It's how people think of you.
00:05:07.720 And ultimately, we've got the whole subculture thing.
00:05:12.760 You know, the way people dress.
00:05:14.720 People don't dress to express an inner truth.
00:05:20.120 A solid core of iron that is unchanging about them.
00:05:25.380 People dress to pretend that they have an inner core.
00:05:32.820 To act like there is some substance to the person.
00:05:37.940 But it's just the outfit that you buy at Hot Topic.
00:05:44.780 Signaling.
00:05:45.500 That's a term that's becoming quite popular nowadays in the alternative.
00:05:48.860 Right?
00:05:49.020 Because it's all signaling.
00:05:51.540 Everything we do nowadays is signaling.
00:05:54.560 There is no innate virtue.
00:05:56.320 There is no true narrative.
00:05:57.840 It's ironic in the era of 24-7 news coverage when we have no mythos.
00:06:04.400 We have no...
00:06:05.700 We have not...
00:06:06.380 Like the mythos, the absolute, the higher truth.
00:06:09.700 And the inner reality of truth.
00:06:14.040 Like we have neither of those.
00:06:15.440 We just have the surface, the veneer, the sheen.
00:06:23.840 And this is just average people.
00:06:26.040 You understand.
00:06:26.840 This is not the true narcissist.
00:06:29.060 Most people are acting like narcissists.
00:06:32.080 And then that's what the last psychiatrist writes about.
00:06:35.700 He writes about a narcissistic behaving person.
00:06:40.600 And inside most people are just confused.
00:06:43.320 They're lost.
00:06:44.000 They don't know what they are.
00:06:45.780 But some of them, some of them become full-blown narcissists.
00:06:52.560 And the full-blown narcissist, well, what is it?
00:06:54.920 What is a narcissist?
00:06:56.700 It doesn't mean somebody that likes attention.
00:06:59.100 Okay?
00:06:59.440 Like the psychology can, you know, ding, ding, ding.
00:07:02.340 They can write all the bullet points for it, but it's not going to tell you what it is.
00:07:05.940 What a narcissist is, it's a somebody who at their core is nothing but rage, hatred, and shame.
00:07:18.640 They need to create this shell around themselves.
00:07:23.200 Almost like an event horizon of personality.
00:07:26.920 They need to constantly redefine it, and they constantly need to be affirmed in that definition.
00:07:32.580 Because there's nothing on the inside.
00:07:34.220 There is a black hole on the inside.
00:07:38.020 They, a man that lives his life for value, with integrity, a man that knows who he is.
00:07:46.880 It doesn't matter what the slings and arrows of the world say.
00:07:50.100 He knows himself.
00:07:51.440 He knows what's going on on the inside.
00:07:53.820 And so nobody likes being thought poorly of, but it's not going to destroy him.
00:08:01.120 The narcissist has nothing there.
00:08:02.720 They are nothing but the shell.
00:08:05.120 There's a, there is an honest to God, you can't answer this question.
00:08:10.340 We'll never be able to answer this question.
00:08:11.920 But when you have a true narcissist, is there a soul in there?
00:08:15.520 Or is the soul dead?
00:08:16.760 Is the soul gone?
00:08:17.660 You, we can never know, because that shell personality is all you will ever see.
00:08:23.280 You rip off one layer, another one snaps into place immediately. 0.69
00:08:27.040 The closest you will ever come to knowing a narcissist is if they try and murder you. 0.97
00:08:32.720 The, the blind hatred, or if they commit suicide to hurt you. 0.97
00:08:38.200 Blind hatred and shame.
00:08:40.060 That's, that's all that's going on inside the narcissist.
00:08:41.980 And so let's, let's think of some examples of this.
00:08:55.520 You know, in bachelorette economics, one of the, the first things that Aaron writes about,
00:09:01.660 or not bachelorette economics, the black man's guide out part.
00:09:04.120 One of the first things he writes about is the fact that if, if you're a, you're a young black man in the ghetto, 0.84
00:09:12.460 trying to get out, you will be attacked. 0.94
00:09:17.500 You will be hated.
00:09:18.880 People will be jealous of you.
00:09:21.120 They will do everything in their power to drag you back down.
00:09:24.460 And it's not for their own benefit. 0.77
00:09:29.700 I mean, realistically speaking, wouldn't you, if you were a poor ghetto black, wouldn't you love to have a rich friend? 0.65
00:09:38.020 I mean, they certainly take advantage of the, the sports playing friends.
00:09:45.300 And again, becoming a rich basketball player, that's allowed in the ghetto culture. 0.96
00:09:50.040 Because it never happened.
00:09:51.300 It's like winning the lottery.
00:09:54.240 They'll take advantage of that guy.
00:09:56.060 But anybody that tries to study hard, that tries to improve themselves,
00:09:58.960 that doesn't mean you'll get involved in crime,
00:10:01.020 they, they want to drag that person down. 0.78
00:10:03.920 Because it's a threat to their identity.
00:10:05.380 If, if that guy can become a success,
00:10:11.760 that means it's my own fault for being a failure.
00:10:15.320 That means I should be ashamed of myself.
00:10:17.360 That means I should be honest with myself.
00:10:18.860 And they can't do that.
00:10:20.420 So they, they, they drag them down.
00:10:25.460 Feminism. 1.00
00:10:29.460 There, there's a few good, there's a few feminists that, like, I will argue with them. 1.00
00:10:33.460 I disagree with them, but I respect them.
00:10:36.380 Christina Hoff Summers is one.
00:10:37.960 Camille Paglia is another one.
00:10:40.000 I disagree with them a lot, on a lot of things.
00:10:42.520 But they genuinely mean what they say.
00:10:46.540 They actually want women to do better. 0.99
00:10:49.720 They, they think that with more women should have interesting jobs, 0.99
00:10:53.340 and that they'll be happy doing those jobs.
00:10:56.300 They're honest.
00:10:57.280 They're decent, ensouled human beings.
00:11:00.840 And we need more people like them,
00:11:02.480 even if I disagree with their politics.
00:11:06.720 That's not the average feminist, though. 1.00
00:11:09.160 And, uh, and one example of this.
00:11:12.600 The whole date rape thing. 0.88
00:11:14.640 Why do feminists want to prosecute date rape? 1.00
00:11:19.160 Now, in the, in the, the manosphere,
00:11:23.160 in the neomasculinity movement,
00:11:25.340 uh, red pill, whatever.
00:11:27.860 We tend to say it's, it's hatred of masculinity.
00:11:30.900 And that, that's only one half of the coin.
00:11:35.520 It's hatred of humanity.
00:11:37.260 It's hatred of men and women. 0.71
00:11:39.360 The serious thing, if you tell
00:11:40.700 these 20-year-old girls 0.99
00:11:42.420 that you can claim date rape
00:11:45.320 and we'll believe you 100%
00:11:46.700 and no one's gonna,
00:11:47.900 what this does,
00:11:49.260 you empower the woman
00:11:51.820 to go put herself in risky situations.
00:11:55.340 You're not, you're not saying,
00:11:57.200 hey, look out for yourself.
00:11:58.900 Nobody else is gonna take care of you.
00:12:00.860 Watch your six.
00:12:02.460 Make sure you go out with friends.
00:12:03.740 That, that would actually improve
00:12:05.060 a woman's lot in life. 0.65
00:12:07.580 And, of course, you say that
00:12:08.700 and women start freaking out 1.00
00:12:10.160 and screaming and,
00:12:12.560 no, they're telling women
00:12:14.180 all of this
00:12:15.480 so that they will put themselves
00:12:16.780 in dangerous situations,
00:12:17.940 so that they will degrade themselves.
00:12:19.740 So that all women, 0.97
00:12:22.300 it's crabs in the bucket, 0.99
00:12:23.440 we're gonna drag you down. 0.78
00:12:25.580 Because if you're happy and successful,
00:12:28.260 then what am I?
00:12:34.200 Marxists. 0.98
00:12:36.600 They're traitors to their own culture. 0.99
00:12:39.480 You know, they, 1.00
00:12:40.020 they backstab their own countries 0.77
00:12:41.980 and, and allied
00:12:43.600 with the enemy.
00:12:47.240 This is, this is not,
00:12:49.120 they might paint it
00:12:50.020 as some sort of,
00:12:51.520 you know,
00:12:51.960 well, we're, like,
00:12:52.740 this war on oil 0.57
00:12:53.660 is killing lots of Arab babies. 0.97
00:12:55.760 And then that's, 0.99
00:12:56.360 that's true.
00:12:57.080 That's a valid stance.
00:12:58.700 You know,
00:12:58.960 these, these wars
00:12:59.860 aren't being fought
00:13:01.200 very effectively.
00:13:03.440 But that's not
00:13:04.100 why they do it.
00:13:05.320 They, they do it
00:13:06.120 to increase war.
00:13:08.680 So here's,
00:13:08.980 here's the thing.
00:13:09.500 If you're a narcissist,
00:13:10.660 if all you have 0.97
00:13:11.400 is this fake personality,
00:13:13.400 you don't have love.
00:13:15.740 You don't have anybody
00:13:17.240 intimate with you.
00:13:18.500 And anybody that does
00:13:19.620 become intimate
00:13:20.280 is going to see
00:13:21.620 through your fake personality.
00:13:22.840 They're gonna see 1.00
00:13:23.440 how pathetic and ugly 1.00
00:13:24.640 you are on the inside. 1.00
00:13:28.380 And you know
00:13:29.160 you don't deserve to be loved.
00:13:31.000 And since you know
00:13:31.900 you don't deserve to be loved,
00:13:33.220 the worst thing
00:13:33.980 that can happen to you
00:13:34.940 is somebody actually
00:13:36.280 caring about you
00:13:37.300 even though you
00:13:38.120 don't deserve it.
00:13:39.420 And so they lash out.
00:13:45.380 They try and drag 1.00
00:13:46.340 others down.
00:13:46.920 They try and destroy
00:13:47.800 others.
00:13:49.060 They, they couch
00:13:49.840 their,
00:13:51.160 again,
00:13:52.740 it's the,
00:13:53.060 the narcissistic culture thing.
00:13:54.820 You know,
00:13:55.460 it's like,
00:13:55.820 this politician's just
00:13:56.840 saying this
00:13:58.000 to impress his base.
00:13:59.080 they couch their arguments
00:14:02.740 in moral words,
00:14:04.360 in moral standards.
00:14:05.420 They,
00:14:05.540 they say they're trying
00:14:06.360 to help other people
00:14:07.180 when they,
00:14:07.580 what they want
00:14:08.120 is to drag people 1.00
00:14:09.100 down to where they are.
00:14:15.420 So the,
00:14:16.140 the social justice warrior, 0.99
00:14:19.540 the, the sexual degenerate 0.95
00:14:21.120 social justice warrior, 0.96
00:14:23.500 you know,
00:14:23.820 the,
00:14:23.960 the,
00:14:24.300 the,
00:14:24.920 the otherkin 0.81
00:14:25.740 weirdo,
00:14:27.000 he claims he wants 0.98
00:14:29.680 acceptance.
00:14:30.780 He claims,
00:14:31.420 like,
00:14:31.500 listen,
00:14:31.700 this is just what
00:14:32.180 I do in my bedroom.
00:14:33.100 So don't judge me, 0.98
00:14:34.620 don't gay bash me, 0.98
00:14:36.020 don't anything. 1.00
00:14:36.580 That's what he says.
00:14:38.360 He doesn't want that.
00:14:41.760 He wants to make
00:14:42.500 everybody else
00:14:43.060 just as contemptible 0.98
00:14:44.260 and perverse 1.00
00:14:44.740 as he is.
00:14:45.320 the,
00:14:48.740 the socialists.
00:14:50.860 They don't want
00:14:52.080 an equitable
00:14:53.140 distribution of income.
00:14:55.900 They want to destroy wealth.
00:15:01.720 And the identitarian
00:15:03.360 infiltrator,
00:15:05.720 the guy that joins
00:15:07.020 your movement,
00:15:09.880 he doesn't want
00:15:13.760 the movement to win.
00:15:16.280 He doesn't want
00:15:17.180 success.
00:15:17.700 He doesn't want
00:15:18.140 the principles
00:15:19.040 of competence,
00:15:21.360 of whatever it is,
00:15:22.680 to actually succeed.
00:15:24.420 He wants it
00:15:25.340 to fail.
00:15:31.900 It's an ugly 1.00
00:15:32.720 goddamn thing, 1.00
00:15:33.600 folks. 1.00
00:15:34.380 And it really
00:15:34.820 doesn't make any sense.
00:15:37.360 Because,
00:15:37.700 like,
00:15:37.920 for a,
00:15:38.320 a tenth of the effort
00:15:40.420 that they spend
00:15:41.740 trying to
00:15:42.600 sabotage
00:15:44.040 and destroy 0.82
00:15:44.580 other people,
00:15:46.000 they could
00:15:48.060 improve themselves.
00:15:52.100 You see,
00:15:52.660 these people
00:15:53.060 hate themselves.
00:15:54.700 They,
00:15:54.900 they don't like
00:15:55.780 what's on the inside.
00:15:57.540 They,
00:15:58.040 they're,
00:16:00.200 none of us do.
00:16:02.120 I mean,
00:16:02.420 we all know
00:16:02.980 that we're very wanting.
00:16:04.500 We're,
00:16:04.640 we're not the men
00:16:05.300 we want to be.
00:16:09.700 This,
00:16:10.180 this is why
00:16:10.680 that we try
00:16:11.360 and be humble.
00:16:12.360 We try
00:16:12.680 and forgive
00:16:13.000 other people.
00:16:14.160 We try
00:16:14.580 and,
00:16:14.960 and be better
00:16:15.920 people.
00:16:16.720 And when
00:16:17.240 something good
00:16:17.820 happens to us,
00:16:18.600 we really appreciate it
00:16:19.860 because we know
00:16:20.180 we don't deserve it.
00:16:22.120 These people
00:16:22.820 know they don't
00:16:23.360 deserve it.
00:16:24.660 And so,
00:16:24.960 if anything good
00:16:25.500 happens to them,
00:16:26.640 they use that
00:16:27.300 to destroy
00:16:27.800 somebody else 0.70
00:16:28.440 and make them 0.98
00:16:28.900 just as miserable. 0.91
00:16:32.300 Imagine, 0.94
00:16:32.900 imagine growing old 0.55
00:16:34.260 as a narcissist. 0.99
00:16:34.780 you hate yourself, 0.98
00:16:39.440 you hate life
00:16:40.160 and
00:16:41.540 your body's
00:16:43.540 falling apart.
00:16:45.820 But part of the beauty
00:16:46.640 of growing old,
00:16:48.140 of maturing,
00:16:50.160 is,
00:16:50.700 you know,
00:16:51.020 gaining wisdom,
00:16:52.280 is having a better
00:16:52.800 understanding of the world,
00:16:54.300 is having
00:16:55.120 friends
00:16:56.380 and loved ones
00:16:57.660 that you have
00:16:58.420 this rapport
00:16:59.120 with,
00:16:59.380 this history with,
00:17:00.560 and this intimacy.
00:17:02.060 They've seen you
00:17:02.820 at your worst
00:17:03.700 and they're still
00:17:05.160 your friend.
00:17:08.480 And it's
00:17:09.160 growing.
00:17:12.500 Networking,
00:17:13.560 touching other people,
00:17:14.800 caring,
00:17:15.500 in this imperfect world.
00:17:19.440 These people,
00:17:20.780 they react violently
00:17:22.700 if you actually
00:17:24.000 touch them,
00:17:25.440 if you try
00:17:26.580 and caress them.
00:17:27.300 They hate that
00:17:28.140 because they don't
00:17:28.500 think they deserve it.
00:17:31.340 And so they,
00:17:32.060 as they get older,
00:17:34.300 the more and more 0.99
00:17:34.920 miserable 0.99
00:17:35.360 they become.
00:17:36.740 Because not only
00:17:37.520 are they just as alone
00:17:38.580 as they were,
00:17:39.660 they're alone
00:17:40.340 and they're old 1.00
00:17:41.060 and they're ugly. 1.00
00:17:43.040 And so they go 0.99
00:17:43.860 out of their way
00:17:44.740 to ruin,
00:17:47.980 destroy,
00:17:49.400 and defile 0.95
00:17:50.800 everything they can.
00:17:52.440 It makes absolutely
00:17:53.400 no sense.
00:17:55.000 Not a lick of sense.
00:17:57.360 It's the most terrible
00:17:58.220 and evil thing
00:17:59.920 you will see.
00:18:01.520 And that right there,
00:18:02.440 it's a supernatural
00:18:04.040 level of evil.
00:18:09.020 So yeah, folks,
00:18:11.420 evil exists.
00:18:12.980 And it doesn't make sense.
00:18:14.280 It's hard to believe in.
00:18:17.400 But if you're willing
00:18:18.180 to admit the possibility
00:18:19.180 of it,
00:18:21.380 you will see it.
00:18:25.120 Stay frosty, boys.
00:18:26.300 Thanks.
00:18:36.260 Bye-bye.
00:18:39.240 Bye-bye.
00:18:39.340 Bye-bye.
00:18:39.800 Bye-bye.
00:18:40.860 Bye-bye.
00:18:47.500 Bye-bye.
00:18:47.520 Bye-bye.
00:18:47.560 Bye-bye.
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