Loomer Unleashed - EP103: Dems Promote Violent Anti-Trump Protests Nationwide

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00:26:12.000 Good evening and welcome to episode 103 of Loomer Unleashed.

00:26:18.000 I'm your host, Laura Loomer.

00:26:20.000 We have a lot to talk about tonight.

00:26:22.000 You may have noticed that there are anti-Trump and anti-Elon Musk and anti-Doge protests all across the country popping up all over the place.

00:26:31.000 We just had President's Day on Monday.

00:26:34.000 And as a result, we saw all of these coordinated left-wing protests all around the country.

00:26:39.000 And the big question that everybody is asking is, It's like a resistance 2.0.

00:26:50.000 We saw during the first term of President Trump's first administration, there was a very well-organized and well-funded resistance movement.

00:27:00.000 And so we've been doing a lot of digging here at Loomer Unleashed into the funding sources and the people who are behind these new protests and these new movements that are popping up all across the country.

00:27:13.000 So we're going to get into that tonight.

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00:28:12.000 In about 10 minutes, we're going to be joined by Taiwan's cyber ambassador, Audrey Tang, who's going to talk about a new paper that she just published regarding the understanding of engagement, designing platforms that bring us together.

00:28:30.000 So Audrey, as I said before, is Taiwan's cyber ambassador, and we're going to have a conversation tonight about the need for social media platforms that create a sense of collaborative community engagement as opposed to authoritarianism and how true free speech and decentralization and we're going to have a conversation tonight about the need for social media platforms that create a sense of collaborative community engagement as opposed to authoritarianism and how true free speech and

00:28:57.000 So we're looking forward to having...

00:29:01.000 Autry, join us.

00:29:02.000 Here's an article, Lessons from Taiwan, How Digital Tools Can Help Governments Regain the People's Trust.

00:29:09.000 You can scroll down.

00:29:11.000 This is a story about how digital tools helped government officials regain the trust of the electorate, but it's not a science fiction tale about a future reunited States of America.

00:29:21.000 Instead, it's a story about Taiwan, as told by Autry Tang, the country's first minister of digital affairs and first transgender cabinet minister.

00:29:31.000 It is not inevitable for social media to polarize people.

00:29:34.000 Tang, who now serves as Taiwan's cyber ambassador at large, said this week at Town Hall Seattle.

00:29:40.000 We just saw that Autry was also in Munich, where, of course, J.D. Vance spoke, and we saw a gathering of world leaders, so we're going to be asking Autry about that.

00:29:54.000 But, you know, Taiwan's in a unique situation.

00:29:58.000 Because they're constantly under threat of occupation by China, which of course is a pro-censorship regime. 0.96

00:30:05.000 And so I'm looking forward to having Autry on to talk about the greatest threat, in her opinion, to free speech and how people all around the world can use tools of social media.

00:30:18.000 To fight for their freedom and, like I said before, fight back against authoritarianism.

00:30:22.000 Because if there's one thing that we've seen all around the world, and it should be evident from the speech that J.D. Vance gave, and I'm sure we can find some clips from J.D. Vance and his speech in Munich over these last few days at the security conference where he attacked European leaders and officials all around the world for...

00:30:43.000 Not supporting the values of freedom of expression and not supporting free speech.

00:30:48.000 I posted a clip from his speech the other day on my Twitter account and it went pretty viral.

00:30:54.000 We have that clip.

00:30:55.000 I know we're going to play it for you momentarily.

00:30:59.000 There really is an assault on free speech and freedom of expression around the world.

00:31:03.000 We're seeing that social media platforms are blocking out certain access to certain pages and certain individuals, depending on whether that country finds the speech to be hateful or a violation.

00:31:15.000 As J.D. Vance said, while speaking in Munich, you have people that are literally going to jail for posting memes.

00:31:22.000 So how does the United States, how are we going to have a cordial relationship with countries that are pro-censorship or are trying to use people's social media presence as a way to silence them and censor them?

00:31:33.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

00:31:36.000 Well, thank you.

00:31:37.000 And thanks to all the gathered delegates and luminaries and media professionals.

00:31:43.000 And thanks especially to the hosts of the Munich Security Conference for being able to put on such an incredible event.

00:31:50.000 We're, of course, thrilled to be here.

00:31:52.000 We're happy to be here.

00:31:54.000 And, you know, one of the things that I wanted to talk about today is, of course, our shared values.

00:32:01.000 And, you know, it's great to be back in Germany, as you heard earlier.

00:32:04.000 I was here last year as United States Senator.

00:32:07.000 I saw Foreign Minister, excuse me, Foreign Secretary David Lammy and joked that both of us last year had different jobs than we have now.

00:32:13.000 But now it's time for all of our countries, for all of us who have been...

00:32:18.000 We're fortunate enough to be given political power by our respective peoples to use it wisely to improve their lives.

00:32:25.000 And I want to say that, you know, I was fortunate in my time here to spend some time outside the walls of this conference over the last 24 hours.

00:32:34.000 And I've been so impressed by the hospitality of the people, even, of course, as they're reeling from yesterday's horrendous attack.

00:32:43.000 And the first time I was ever in Munich was with my wife, actually, who's here with me today, on a personal trip.

00:32:50.000 And I've always loved the city of Munich, and I've always loved its people.

00:32:54.000 And I just want to say that we're very moved, and our thoughts and prayers are with Munich and everybody affected by the evil inflicted on this beautiful community.

00:33:02.000 We're thinking about you.

00:33:03.000 We're praying for you.

00:33:05.000 And we will certainly be rooting for you in the days and weeks to come.

00:33:08.000 Now, I hope that's not the last bit of applause that I get, but...

00:33:19.000 We gather at this conference, of course, to discuss security, and normally we mean threats to our external security.

00:33:29.000 I see many great military leaders gathered here today.

00:33:32.000 But while the Trump administration is very concerned with European security...

00:33:38.000 And believes that we can come to a reasonable settlement between Russia and Ukraine.

00:33:43.000 And we also believe that it's important in the coming years for Europe to step up in a big way to provide for its own defense.

00:33:50.000 The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other external actor.

00:33:59.000 And what I worry about is the threat from within.

00:34:02.000 The retreat of Europe.

00:34:05.000 From some of its most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of America.

00:34:11.000 Now, I was struck that a former European commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the Romanian government had just annulled an entire election.

00:34:22.000 He warned that if things don't go to plan, the very same thing could happen in Germany, too.

00:34:30.000 Now these cavalier statements are shocking to American ears.

00:34:34.000 For years, we've been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values.

00:34:42.000 Everything from our Ukraine policy to digital censorship is billed as a defense of democracy.

00:34:51.000 But when we see European courts cancelling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we're holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard.

00:35:02.000 And I say ourselves because I fundamentally believe that we are on the same team.

00:35:07.000 We must do more than talk about democratic values.

00:35:10.000 We must live them.

00:35:13.000 Now within living memory of many of you in this room, the Cold War positioned defenders of democracy against much more tyrannical forces on this continent.

00:35:24.000 And consider the side in that fight that censored dissidents, that closed churches, that canceled elections.

00:35:33.000 Were they the good guys?

00:35:35.000 Certainly not.

00:35:36.000 And thank God they lost the Cold War.

00:35:39.000 They lost because they neither valued nor respected all of the extraordinary blessings of liberty.

00:35:45.000 The freedom to surprise, to make mistakes, to invent, to build.

00:35:51.000 As it turns out, you can't mandate innovation or creativity just as you can't force people what to think, what to feel, or what to believe.

00:36:00.000 And we believe those things are certainly connected.

00:36:04.000 And unfortunately, when I look at Europe today, it's sometimes not so clear what happened to some of the Cold War's winners.

00:36:12.000 I look to Brussels, where EU commissars warn citizens that they intend to shut down social media during times of civil unrest the moment they spot what they've judged to be, quote, hateful content.

00:36:27.000 Or to this very country.

00:36:29.000 Where police have carried out raids against citizens suspected of posting anti-feminist comments online as part of, quote, combating misogyny on the internet, a day of action.

00:36:41.000 I look to Sweden, where two weeks ago the government convicted a Christian activist for participating in Koran burnings that resulted in his friend's murder.

00:36:52.000 And as the judge in his case chillingly noted, Sweden's laws to supposedly protect free expression do not, in fact, grant, and I'm quoting, a free pass to do or say anything without risking offending the group that holds that belief.

00:37:11.000 And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom, where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular, in the crosshairs.

00:37:24.000 A little over two years ago, the British government charged Adam Smith Connor, a 51-year-old physiotherapist and an Army veteran, with the heinous crime of standing 50 meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying for three minutes.

00:37:41.000 Not obstructing anyone, not interacting with anyone, just silently praying on his own.

00:37:51.000 Autry Tane is going to be joining us momentarily, and I want to get her reaction because not only was she in attendance at the Munich Security Conference, but also spoke there as well on behalf of Taiwan.

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00:39:57.000 I want to welcome our first guest of the evening to Loomer Unleashed, Audrey Tang.

00:40:03.000 Who I believe is joining us from Taiwan or perhaps still Europe, but I know it's somewhere overseas.

00:40:08.000 So, Audrey, thank you so much for joining me on my program tonight.

00:40:12.000 How are you doing?

00:40:15.000 Hello, I'm in Taiwan.

00:40:18.000 Half past 10 and really happy to share with you some thoughts around the freedom of speech.

00:40:25.000 We, of course, support robust uncensored discourse from Taiwan because we suffer from martial law and also, of course, resisting authoritarian censorship.

00:40:35.000 Absolutely.

00:40:36.000 So you are Taiwan's cyber ambassador and you are also Taiwan's first ever digital affairs minister from 2022 to 2024. And I think it's an interesting concept because only now here in the United States do we have somebody who is fulfilling a similar role.

00:40:55.000 I guess people would describe you as the tech support, right?

00:40:59.000 The tech support for Taiwan.

00:41:02.000 And now we see the same kind of...

00:41:08.000 It's a self-proclaimed position of White House tech support or national tech support.

00:41:16.000 Can you explain to the viewers what you do in your position as Taiwan cyber ambassador and what your position as the digital affairs minister involves?

00:41:26.000 Because I think that that's a unique position to Taiwan that we don't really see in other places around the world.

00:41:33.000 Certainly.

00:41:34.000 So I joined the cabinet as a special advisor in 2014, actually.

00:41:41.000 That was more than a decade ago.

00:41:43.000 And it followed an event in Taiwan's history we call the Sunflower Movement in March 2014. At the time, many people who were unhappy with this trade deal with Beijing that would have invited them into our media, into our communication network, and so on, took the matter to our own hands.

00:42:03.000 So we peacefully occupied Parliament for three weeks, calling for reform.

00:42:08.000 And also we call ourselves demonstrators, not just protesters, because we want to show that it is possible in a way that is transparent, that's not censored, to have an all-of-society conversation around these matters.

00:42:20.000 And so at the end of that year, I was invited to basically play that role, but online.

00:42:27.000 And so building systems where people can have unfiltered access and conversations without getting censored by social media at the time, big tech at the time, so that we can determine policies together.

00:42:39.000 So we not only resolved issues, for example, around Uber and workers' rights and so on, but also we tackled the disinformation attack, the polarization attacks coming from our authoritarian neighbor.

00:42:52.000 And we also shortened the tax filing process from three hours into like three minutes.

00:42:59.000 That was in 2016-17.

00:43:01.000 Again, tapping into the wisdom of the crowd by anyone who contributes ideas.

00:43:07.000 And we publish also transparently the government spendings, procurements, so that people can comment freely on it.

00:43:14.000 Very interesting, and of course, that's a position that I wish we would have had here in the United States of America years ago, because we've seen now, finally, there seems to be a focus on free speech, and especially now that we're seeing the political vindication of President Trump with his re-election after we witnessed the shocking censorship during a presidential election in 2020 and the shocking act of deplatforming of a sitting United States president.

00:43:44.000 The big tech social media companies, of course in 2021. I'd like to see that there's now a renewed focus on free speech and the creation of platforms, but I still think that there are challenges here, not just in Taiwan, not just in other parts of the world.

00:44:03.000 We saw this discussed at length, and it became a point of controversy during the Munich Security Council, given the fact that J.D. Vance put most of the European attendees on full blast on the international stage there, condemning them by name.

00:44:19.000 For individual acts of censorship and authoritarianism.

00:44:23.000 And I know that one of the things that you're most focused on, and you recently released a paper on this, and you have a film coming out about this as well, is a way that these social media platforms can help support communities through transparency and through open source technology as a way to combat not only censorship, but also authoritarianism.

00:44:45.000 And so, given that you not only attended the Munich Security Conference, but You also spoke on behalf of Taiwan.

00:44:51.000 What were your thoughts of JD Vance's speech?

00:44:54.000 What was the reaction as an attendee?

00:44:57.000 How did you feel in your position as the cyber ambassador?

00:45:02.000 And what impact do you think it had on the global stage as it relates to free speech and anti-censorship policies?

00:45:10.000 Yeah, great question.

00:45:11.000 So I spoke at the Munich cybersecurity conference, which was one day before the security conference.

00:45:17.000 But I did, of course, like everybody else, listen to your vice president's speech.

00:45:23.000 I think in Taiwan, because we're the most free in all of Asia in terms of Internet freedom, including freedom of expression and so on, we do not believe that there is a tradeoff to be made between security on one side and freedom on the other.

00:45:39.000 There are many jurisdictions that believe in order to have safety, have security and so on, you have to give in a little bit on freedom, like you have to censor some speech in the name of safety and security.

00:45:53.000 But in Taiwan, we have found that if you make sure that it is the communities themselves Making the moderation work instead of delegating it into experts or some third party people controlled by big tech, it is actually resulting in much more robust resilience.

00:46:14.000 That is to say, instead of not seeing the attack or polarization and so on, people learn to identify these as robots, trolls and things like that.

00:46:23.000 But you do not need to censor them.

00:46:25.000 People can have a shared understanding of what is And so to your other question about the role social media plays today.

00:46:50.000 So I'm advising the Project Liberty Institute and we're redesigning the ideas around communities online.

00:46:58.000 So that we can build upon what's called open source or free software, decentralized systems, so that if you are not happy with any particular policy that social media runs, you can keep your content, keep your relationship, keep your social graph, and then just migrate to some other communities where you can then have your own conversation and moderation rules.

00:47:20.000 And so we're advising also the team about the people's bid, trying to buy TikTok with...

00:47:27.000 Eric McCord and O'Leary are leading the bid to turn TikTok into something like this, where the moderation rules are not determined by a far-off entity, but rather by individual communities.

00:47:39.000 So how would your system differ from a system like Facebook's fact checkers or what now is described as the X community note system?

00:47:48.000 Because some people have argued, and we have seen this firsthand, how these systems, while they have come with good intentions, originally kind of like this idea that it's going to be a collaborative effort with people identifying things that are obvious lies or misinformation or, you know, putting in their input.

00:48:06.000 They've also been weaponized.

00:48:07.000 We've seen the way that Facebook...

00:48:09.000 Or Meta has created partisan advisory boards full of mostly leftist activists, for example, that weaponized the fact-checking system and used it to impose fake science or revisionist history.

00:48:22.000 And some people have also made the same argument for the community note system on X, arguing that there's only a select few people who can actually participate in the community note system, which means that it's not as open source or as decentralized or open to the public which means that it's not as open source or as decentralized or open to the public as it may

00:48:44.000 So how would you say that your system of doing things is different from Meta's fact checkers or Facebook's community note or X's community notes?

00:48:55.000 Excuse me.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, in two very important ways.

00:49:00.000 One is that we're replacing top-down decisions with a community-based button-up approach.

00:49:08.000 And so instead of the secret panels where you really do not know who they are, deciding who to silence, the idea is that each community can decide what content they value.

00:49:19.000 And so this is the first thing.

00:49:21.000 It's basically decentralizing the decision making, not just the technical apparatus.

00:49:25.000 And the second thing is that it is based on more speech instead of less speech.

00:49:31.000 The idea of our system is that you simply see more labels, like what ideas are gaining common ground in your communities and what ideas remain divisive, but how it is debated.

00:49:43.000 But these labels are not taking anything down.

00:49:46.000 You're simply given more context about who supports it and why.

00:49:50.000 And so that is the opposite of censorship.

00:49:52.000 We're not taking anything down.

00:49:54.000 We're adding in valuable context.

00:49:59.000 Given what you just said, how was your own reaction to J.D. Vance's speech?

00:50:05.000 Did you find yourself agreeing with most of what he said or did you find yourself disagreeing with elements of it or do you agree that we've seen a degradation and kind of an assault on free speech and freedom of expression in Europe?

00:50:20.000 Well, I think the Romania case that he basically shares with the audience, that is also a case that I often make, which is we need to strengthen democracy so it is not easily overtaken or overwhelmed by bots, by polarization attacks from authoritarian regimes.

00:50:39.000 So in that message, I think we're very much in sync.

00:50:42.000 I think many of the European audience...

00:50:46.000 Basically, are trying to come up with what we have already discovered in Taiwan, which is a more robust and more open and transparent way of basically making sure that people understand what's going on.

00:51:00.000 Additional context is actually better in terms of defending against such polarization and infiltration attacks, troll attacks, and so on.

00:51:10.000 Misclassifying some humans as trolls and then therefore silencing their speech.

00:51:15.000 And because in doing so, then you weaken the social fabric, you weaken the strengths of different people with different opinions.

00:51:22.000 And so I think the Vance speech outlines...

00:51:26.000 A direction.

00:51:27.000 And then I think the technological idea here is that we need to make sure that the communities have the moderation in their own hands instead of just making sure that one single state actor or one single big tech actor does that.

00:51:40.000 Because as long as it's centralized in one decision maker, I think that this false trade-off will inevitably happen.

00:51:49.000 You mentioned the sunflower movement in Taiwan.

00:51:51.000 And so I wanted to get your take on this because what we saw here in the United States was a crackdown on free speech and a movement to increase censorship here in the United States when we had our own January 6th protests at the United States Capitol.

00:52:08.000 Now, the left would argue that they were violent.

00:52:11.000 The right would say that they were peaceful protests, given the fact that...

00:52:15.000 You know, nobody used any weapons and they were just Trump supporters simply occupying what we call here the People's House, right?

00:52:23.000 The United States Capitol, which is paid for by the U.S. taxpayers.

00:52:28.000 That was the catalyst.

00:52:31.000 That was the defining moment that really resulted in the deplatforming of Donald Trump and the creation of new pro-censorship policies by the big tech social media companies here in America to not only silence world leaders, but also silence half of the country and really crack down on political speech.

00:52:49.000 Did you see similar things happen when you had the occupation of your own government buildings in Taiwan during the The Sunflower Movement because it's interesting to see how All around the world, right, there have been protest movements where citizens have occupied political buildings, and yet the reactions have been so drastic.

00:53:11.000 I mean, here in the United States, you had politicians like Kamala Harris actually saying that January 6th was worse than Pearl Harbor or worse than 9-11, right, when thousands of people lost their lives in acts of terrorism.

00:53:25.000 And so how would you compare and contrast something like Taiwan's sunflower movement to the January 6th protest?

00:53:34.000 Well, back in 2014, I believe that we were even more Divided and angry.

00:53:41.000 The approval rate at the time was 9% for the president at the time.

00:53:47.000 That is to say, in a country with 24 million people, anything that the president says, like 20 million people against him.

00:53:54.000 And so I think that was even more drastic.

00:53:57.000 I think one contrast I will draw is that we said In the beginning, that we're not just demanding something or protesting something.

00:54:07.000 Rather, we're from the demand side moving to the supply side, the tech support side, by demonstrating that it is possible for people to come up with better trade deal policy ideas instead of just the one that's being ran through, or that people can come up with better thoughts around how to protect our information ecosystem.

00:54:30.000 From the invasions, right, of communist authoritarian ideas and so on.

00:54:35.000 And so by very quickly positioning ourselves into demonstrators, not just protesters, I think that is how the energy has been different and resulted in Sunflower being one of the very rare Occupy that resulted in the Speaker of the Parliament basically said, okay, the people's idea do have a point, let's accept their ideas.

00:54:55.000 And so that was the Occupy that converged instead of diverged over time.

00:55:01.000 You have a paper that you've published, Understanding Over Engagement, Designing Platforms to Bring Us Together, where you talk about how we need to be focused on creating these platforms and supporting the creation of social media platforms to support communities and build up communities and freedom of speech, but also to combat authoritarianism.

00:55:24.000 Do you feel that now more than ever, or...

00:55:28.000 Perhaps we're seeing a decrease in authoritarianism, but is it your opinion that with the rise of technology, we're seeing an increased threat of global authoritarianism or a decreased threat of global authoritarianism?

00:55:42.000 Yeah, I think for authoritarians, their main idea really is to spread this freedom only leads to chaos, freedom only leads to infighting, freedom never leads to something that delivers.

00:55:55.000 That meta-narrative really is their justification for locking down and shutting down and taking down stuff, right?

00:56:05.000 To combat that, what we need is to build a resilient society that, for example, if you subscribe to content that supports traditional values and you see a post that's labeled like it's a shared ground among Christian conservatives and so on, and then you see some very trollish attacks from maybe a libertarian angle and so on.

00:56:28.000 And so that's when the slowing of discord happens in those polarization attacks.

00:56:33.000 So nowadays, the tactics from authoritarians is no longer taking down things, but rather populating it with even more message that creates this false sense of consensus like, oh, there's so much infighting and chaos.

00:56:46.000 But with our system, you can see a very clear label that this is a sure ground.

00:56:51.000 And there's also different perspectives among libertarians and so on. - Yeah, and I would agree with that because what we're seeing now is echo chambers And even though I would say that X has I mean, I've been censored on Twitter 1.0 and I've also been censored on Twitter 2.0.

00:57:08.000 So I've been censored by Jack Dorsey and I've been censored by Elon Musk.

00:57:12.000 But one thing that you said in your paper that I found to be really interesting is you said, with a deeply polarizing U.S. election fresh in mind, the need to redesign platforms that bridge divides has never been more urgent.

00:57:23.000 In a paper we've just released, we offer a solution based on one that has already played a pivotal role in addressing similar problems in Taiwan and on X. And you're right.

00:57:32.000 What's happened now is that even though I would say there's more free speech on Twitter 2.0 than we saw on Twitter 1.0, you have echo chambers where you have people on the left because of the polarizing election and because Elon Musk gave $270 million to support the presidential election in support of Donald Trump, they're now all flocking.

00:57:52.000 Where if you're a conservative like I am and you're going on Blue Sky, you're barely going to have an audience because it seems like social media now has divided itself into these echo chambers.

00:58:05.000 X, of course, I think picked up a lot of support, especially in the aftermath of Meta censoring so many people during the election.

00:58:13.000 But now you're seeing this rebrand effort, whether it's genuine or not, by Mark Zuckerberg to try to rebrand Meta.

00:58:22.000 You talk about how, what if instead, this is another quote from your paper, instead of amplifying posts that spread misinformation or fuel outrage and division, social media platforms empowered their users to promote content that they value and that brings their communities together.

00:58:36.000 What if instead of leaving content moderation to sensorial governments or the political whims of tech billionaires, platforms allowed users to provide context that fosters understanding and strengthens their communities?

00:58:47.000 It's an interesting concept because We have seen this accusation from the left.

00:58:53.000 They'll say things like, oh, Elon Musk simply amplifies content that's like fuel outrage or rage bait for the conservative movement.

00:59:00.000 But then you'll see people say the opposite, right?

00:59:04.000 They said the same thing about Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook when Facebook was largely controlled by leftists.

00:59:12.000 Do you find that if we were to have this content moderation system where it was not up to tech billionaires or governments to decide what terms of service should be like we're seeing with the European Union now in their attacks on free speech and the way that they're trying to create this, I guess you would say like a European Union standard for how content should be moderated.

00:59:37.000 I feel like we would have more peaceful discourse online and there would probably be less social animus and less hostility and less political divisions if people felt like neither political ideology was being overamplified.

00:59:52.000 What's your opinion of this?

00:59:54.000 Because I think that we've all found ourselves on both sides of the aisle.

00:59:59.000 Certainly, pre-Twitter 2.0, I found myself accusing big tech social media companies of being more left-leaning.

01:00:06.000 And even now, right, I find myself criticizing and often questioning the amount of power and influence that tech billionaires have because I still find myself censored even though Trump is president.

01:00:18.000 Yeah, and I have just registered on TrueSocial.

01:00:21.000 My first post was reposting you.

01:00:24.000 And I do feel that it has a much more of a community spirit where users do feel they have more control and less likely actually to abandon the platform when they don't feel that the decision-making and sensorial decisions and so on are managed by one person or a few persons, right?

01:00:42.000 So I think that fosters genuine community conversations.

01:00:47.000 The main technical question we're facing is whether this individual platform, such as TrueSocial, which is, by the way, free software, open source, and BlueSky, also free software, open source, whether it is possible to build relevant bridges so that it is not just the community nodes, which already happens after something that is very...

01:01:09.000 Polarizing, very angry when viral, right?

01:01:12.000 So how about community posts, not just community notes, and that you can post on your own communities on either TrueSocial, BlueSky or other open source communities.

01:01:21.000 But then you then also have this additional label that does show that it is a common ground across all those different smaller platforms.

01:01:29.000 And that, I think, will give the people much more control and much more understanding of each other beyond the models that is prototyped.

01:01:40.000 So what is the best way to do that?

01:01:43.000 Because I know you've talked about this idea, right?

01:01:46.000 It's a concept that sounds ideal, right?

01:01:50.000 This idea that people would have a community partnership in deciding what is true information, what is disinformation.

01:01:57.000 But it still seems, as you just said, that these systems that have been created by X or have been created by Meta Are still not ideal because they still find themselves, you know, being influenced, in my opinion at least, by the political ideology.

01:02:14.000 I often find myself wondering, like, who the hell is in control of community notes or who's in control of fact-checking?

01:02:20.000 Because sometimes I see these community notes or fact-checks and they are just as absurd as the claims being made.

01:02:27.000 Yeah, and over and over again, we have seen that it is currently in the advertisement field models.

01:02:35.000 Only the advertisers, and especially very big advertisers, get to see the social fabric.

01:02:44.000 You know, voted for, well, liked the same content, people who share similar content and so on.

01:02:50.000 But that information is not made available to individual people.

01:02:54.000 It is just made to the people who basically make the individualized advertisements so that it even derails us from the shared common experience even more because everybody was seeing different precision targeting of advertisements.

01:03:08.000 So part of the paper is to imagine a different funding model where the communities can fund shared common experiences so that people think of the shared posts that bring the different communities together.

01:03:21.000 Like in the example I just gave, if there's a post or there's a piece of video that could explain the more conservative angle to the libertarians and so on.

01:03:31.000 And then for people who belong in those communities to have a way to bring those together.

01:03:36.000 So that is what we call pre-bunking.

01:03:38.000 Instead of debunking after the fact, we can have shared narratives before something that is fueled by hate or outrage.

01:03:45.000 And again, it doesn't require censorship at all.

01:03:48.000 It just requires building more bridge-making content.

01:03:51.000 And so if people are interested in learning more about The People's Bid, thepeaceofpostbid.com has these ideas laid out on how it could be applied to TikTok if, of course, The People's Bid won the bid.

01:04:04.000 But for the underlying ideas, there's also a book, plurality.net, that I co-wrote with 60 other people.

01:04:13.000 And it's free software.

01:04:14.000 Oh, here you go.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, it's in the public domain.

01:04:17.000 So there's no copyright.

01:04:18.000 Feel free to remix as you want.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, I have your book.

01:04:21.000 And then you also have a film coming out as well in two weeks.

01:04:26.000 So what can you tell us about your film?

01:04:28.000 Sure.

01:04:29.000 It's called Good Enough Ancestor, and it tells the story of Taiwan's democratization because I was born into a family of journalists.

01:04:38.000 My parents are both journalists, and they had to work within the martial law era's rules, which is very sensorial.

01:04:46.000 And by the time we really democratized, 1996, when we had our first presidential election, that is already the time of the browsers, of the World Wide Web, and so on.

01:04:56.000 So from the very beginning, Internet freedom and our democratic freedom both are the same thing in Taiwan.

01:05:03.000 And so we innovated a lot on how to defend our democracies without sacrificing our freedom.

01:05:09.000 Because even though our own martial law era is over, there's still authoritarian neighbors to Taiwan from Beijing that still want to push this authoritarian agenda.

01:05:22.000 Enough ancestors.

01:05:24.000 So we're just getting that loaded up momentarily and we'll play it.

01:05:29.000 Here's another quote from your paper.

01:05:31.000 You said, instead of removing or shadow banning controversial content, Platforms should empower participants to help offer meaningful context.

01:05:38.000 This could include clearly showing which communities embrace certain views or watch certain videos and labeling content as shared ground when it reflects widely accepted perspectives or different perspectives when it's more controversial.

01:05:51.000 And so how would you, how would you, or I guess I should say, where would you draw the line?

01:05:59.000 Because here in America, you have people that argue that certain content is hate speech, even though there's no such thing as hate speech because there's no hate speech exemption as it relates to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

01:06:13.000 And so it's very subjective and it's become very political and partisan in nature because you have people who now have a distorted understanding of what the First Amendment means and the grounds of the First Amendment.

01:06:26.000 The First Amendment does not protect incitement of violence or terroristic threats, but where would you draw the line as it relates to this system of creating shared ground policies for content moderation?

01:06:50.000 Would you allow for things like For example, things that would automatically get you banned on social media like child porn or things like terroristic threats or support for groups like ISIS. Would this system allow for things like that to exist but with extreme social pressure so that the moderation would signal to society that this content is wrong or...

01:07:17.000 It's shameful or something that should not be tolerated?

01:07:20.000 Or would this system, given the fact that you're aiming for total decentralization, would it completely ban or silence content like that?

01:07:31.000 Yeah, so I was also in Paris for the AI Action Summit, where we launched the Roost, the robust open online safety tools.

01:07:41.000 And part of the Roost idea is that the defense against these attacks That are clearly unlawful, should be open source and decentralized as well.

01:07:53.000 So for example, the child sexual abuse material that you mentioned is illegal to host, right?

01:08:00.000 So this is not a matter of lawful or awful speech.

01:08:04.000 This is basically illegal content.

01:08:07.000 And for that, currently, we also rely on the largest of the big tech to tell whether that is the same material or not.

01:08:15.000 Not only do small operators have to pay And so the idea of Roost is to, again, decentralize.

01:08:31.000 Even small time hosters of content can very easily, automatically detect such unlawful content.

01:08:38.000 And so it doesn't require the community vote even.

01:08:41.000 But if you want to tune, you want to update and so on, you can do so without violating either some NDA or speak tech or violating any law.

01:08:50.000 So I think the free expression is required.

01:08:54.000 But underneath that, we need the robust online safety tools that detects Unlawful, not just awful content.

01:09:02.000 So not awful content at all, but just unlawful content and can do so in a way that makes sure that the smaller operators can remain economic to run.

01:09:12.000 But above that level, anything that is lawful, I do feel that we need to have both the fear support for free expression and a practical method.

01:09:22.000 For communities to own the moderation tools so that the algorithmic manipulation cannot make the false virality of the faked polarization that wasn't there, but it was just one idea that was amplified because of the polarization attacks.

01:09:38.000 But to do that, we don't need to censor anything.

01:09:41.000 All we need is to share with communities a way to shape their own social media reality.

01:09:47.000 Again, by making sure there's a freedom first way to label something as And you talk about a lot of this in your book, Plurality, the Future of Collaborative.

01:10:10.000 Technology and democracy.

01:10:12.000 So I would encourage that people check it out.

01:10:14.000 But we also have a trailer for your film.

01:10:18.000 And so just before we play the trailer for Good Enough Ancestor, I wanted to just give you a moment to tell the viewers what inspired you to make this film, when it comes out, and why people should watch the film.

01:10:31.000 Sure.

01:10:31.000 So I think the message here is that technology must advance freedom.

01:10:37.000 Something that we really believe in in Taiwan, and we believe that America can also make this vision, amplify this vision a reality so that people do not need to trade off between freedom on one side and safety or security on the other, but rather using technology to enhance freedom in a way that puts the steering wheel, puts the reins into the hands of individuals and communities.

01:11:04.000 Let me go ahead and play the trailer for the film.

01:11:09.000 Across the world, democracy is on a decline.

01:11:12.000 Authoritarianism is on the rise.

01:11:14.000 Global freedom has eroded for the 18th consecutive year.

01:11:17.000 Audrey Tom, what is your greatest hope for democracy across the globe?

01:11:28.000 That people see democracy.

01:11:31.000 As a social technology, something that people can construct together, that they can improve in the here and now.

01:11:38.000 We can code up political systems.

01:11:41.000 The sunflower movement was a real turning point for Taiwan's democracy.

01:11:53.000 Go to the world!

01:11:54.000 When the sunflower movement happened, I said to my colleague, I have to leave now.

01:11:59.000 Democracy needs me.

01:12:00.000 I brought a very long cable for internet connection.

01:12:04.000 I live-streamed through Twitter.

01:12:06.000 Everybody saw it is possible for democracy to evolve, to come up with novel policies simply by asking the people what should we do together.

01:12:17.000 I was born with a heart defect and one day I just fainted.

01:12:27.000 I woke up in a hospital and they told me the hole in my heart has grown.

01:12:34.000 I could die.

01:12:36.000 This awareness that everything can be reset tomorrow reminds me of Taiwanese democracy.

01:12:43.000 We can't lose our democracy just with a couple missiles.

01:12:50.000 I think there's a lot that the world can learn from Taiwan.

01:12:55.000 The U.S. is running on a 250-year-old operating system.

01:13:00.000 There is a strong desire to move beyond this and properly rethink from first principles.

01:13:05.000 What would democracy in the 21st century actually look like?

01:13:08.000 We can make the government more open to the public.

01:13:11.000 It would be easier for people to access the data, to analyze it, transparency.

01:13:17.000 Audrey has created the opportunity to make Taiwan the most exciting constitutional democracy in the world.

01:13:23.000 I think it's a very critical moment.

01:13:25.000 China really wants to invade Taiwan.

01:13:30.000 You're sitting on a place that is the flashpoint if there's going to be World War III. And yet there's calm in the eye of the hurricane.

01:13:39.000 And that calm, I think, emanates from all that Audrey's done.

01:13:45.000 We can become co-creators of our democratic system.

01:13:49.000 reconfiguring society in a way that is more transparent, more inclusive, more fair. - Very nice trailer there.

01:14:06.000 When is the official release date for people who want to watch it and when can people watch it?

01:14:11.000 Well, I think it's March 9th, and I'll be posting on TrueSocial and X.com and BlueSky and the usual places.

01:14:21.000 Wonderful.

01:14:21.000 And one thing I want to ask you, and it's a personal question, so you don't have to answer, but hopefully you will answer the question.

01:14:29.000 But we've seen that a lot of the social moderation and a lot of the efforts to censor content online has been driven by the woke left, at least here in America.

01:14:41.000 And some of the people and some of the groups that have been behind a lot of the censorship on these social media platforms, Have done so at the request of LGBTQ organizations.

01:14:55.000 And what I find to be rather interesting about you is that not only are you Taiwan's first digital minister, but you're the world's first also transgender minister.

01:15:05.000 And so...

01:15:07.000 Given the fact that so many people in the LGBT community have pushed for censorship in terms of advocating for censorship of language or content that they think is disrespectful to the trans movement or the LGBTQ movement.

01:15:23.000 What kind of attacks have you received personally from individuals in that community who maybe have accused you of fostering a community of hate simply because you are, it seems to be, pushing for true free speech absolutism, which also means allowing for people to say things that may be offensive to you?

01:15:42.000 Well, I mean, I was born with the condition of very low testosterone.

01:15:47.000 So it is true that I am somewhat between, naturally.

01:15:51.000 But I've never let that bother me.

01:15:54.000 So my pronouns are whatever.

01:15:56.000 If people use any pronouns.

01:15:59.000 I mean, in Taiwan, we say ta-ta-ta doesn't really matter.

01:16:04.000 And so in my mind, there really is no such forced language changes that is needed for addressing me.

01:16:12.000 My pronouns are officially whatever.

01:16:14.000 Now, to your more serious question, I do think the absolute freedom of speech and mutual respect can coexist.

01:16:24.000 The main problem was that in the broadcast-based social media, only the most viral ideas or the viral takes gets viral.

01:16:34.000 And then people do not actually think that there's the other common sense, middle ground ideas that could have bridged the different communities together in a kind of mutual respect.

01:16:46.000 And so each side caricature the other side as the worst version of that side and therefore makes it much harder than to have common sense conversations.

01:16:56.000 And so do you ever find yourself receiving attacks for being a free speech absolutist or attacks from within, you know, certain communities for advocating for, you know, true free speech?

01:17:08.000 Because we have seen there are efforts, especially within the algorithms, as you're mentioning, this algorithmic manipulation to silence and censor certain people based off their use of certain words or what some people would call slurs, right?

01:17:22.000 Like anti-gay or anti-transgender or racist slurs.

01:17:26.000 And so what I guess what kind of challenges have you faced personally from people in the free speech or technology community for your perseverance and also your dedication to having true free speech?

01:17:43.000 Because we see a lot of people out there like to claim that they are for free speech.

01:17:48.000 But there's always a caveat, right?

01:17:50.000 Like, people sometimes censor whether you offend them.

01:17:53.000 Like, we're told that X is truly a free speech platform, but many people found themselves being censored by Elon Musk because they simply got in a heated argument with him about H-1B visas or had a disagreement with him.

01:18:06.000 And so while there's claims and accusations and statements made by a lot of people that they truly are 100% pro-free speech, we always see that there's a little...

01:18:16.000 Disclaimer there.

01:18:17.000 So I just wondered if you've been attached personally for promoting free speech absolutism and total decentralization in this approach to shared ground moderation, given your own personal background.

01:18:34.000 Yeah, and as we speak, I think there's a very robust conversation going on in the Rumble chatroom, which I'm reading.

01:18:43.000 And I think it's really good that we then have ways to directly address people's questions, right?

01:18:49.000 Oh yeah, we can go to the chat too.

01:18:51.000 Let's go to the chat and we can...

01:18:52.000 Audrey Wattloff's questions.

01:18:55.000 Yes, people are commenting, for example, that my pronouns are whatever, so they find it interesting.

01:19:02.000 There's people who ask my support for safe spaces for women.

01:19:07.000 Of course, I've always supported that.

01:19:09.000 And so I think it is quite important that we have this direct.

01:19:14.000 Because only direct conversations can build true bridges.

01:19:18.000 If people only read one snapshot, one clip from the other, then those awful but lawful speeches may look like representing entire communities, but there's no real dialogue.

01:19:29.000 So my answer to your direct question is that I do believe free speech is not just a speech to broadcast.

01:19:38.000 It is also about broad listening.

01:19:40.000 It is also about the freedom to listen across differences and then respond in real time.

01:19:46.000 And if we have that freedom, then it's much harder to caricature the other side.

01:19:50.000 And then it's basically easier than to resolve some of the tensions and some of the people's ideologies who then ask them to draw intolerant conclusions and so on.

01:20:04.000 So I think the fact that we have the chat here is a proof that Absolute free speech and real-time response actually works better when we want to communicate around such things.

01:20:14.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.

01:20:15.000 I was just saying that I do find it to be admirable because you see a lot of big talk from people in this space who, you know, they say that they truly support free speech, but as soon as you say something that, you know, goes against their personal views or their, you know, personal preferences or their political ideology, you learn very quickly that they're not for free speech.

01:20:35.000 I want to go to the chat and take a few questions because Audrey did say that she wants to answer a lot of questions.

01:20:41.000 So let's...

01:20:43.000 Let's scroll up.

01:20:47.000 EarlyGX said, thank you, Audrey, for finding solutions to end censorship.

01:20:51.000 Let's see.

01:20:54.000 If you have questions, be sure to post your questions because Audrey wants to answer them.

01:21:01.000 Let's see.

01:21:05.000 There's a lot of...

01:21:07.000 Comments, not necessarily questions, but there's a debate that's happening in the chat about whether AI needs to be regulated.

01:21:14.000 Do you support the regulation of AI and given the growing influence of AI and you even see the Trump administration creating an AI czar, right?

01:21:24.000 Having an entire AI department now and focus within the Trump administration to become the world's leader in AI and also cryptocurrency.

01:21:33.000 What are your views on On the growing advancements in AI technology and how do you feel about AI regulation?

01:21:44.000 Yeah, again, it's just like asking, oh, what do I feel about community moderation?

01:21:50.000 And my answer is exactly the same.

01:21:52.000 If it's in the hands of people and individual communities and families.

01:21:56.000 Then it's a good thing because people can steer it however they want.

01:21:59.000 If it is just in the hands of one or two persons, then that may not be the best idea because then it ends up being one or two people determining their worldview.

01:22:09.000 of the entire society would be aligning the society to the logic, just like in social media algorithms, the logic of the creator of such algorithms instead of aligning this tool to people's uses.

01:22:22.000 So as I mentioned, the Roost, the Robust Open Online Safety Tools, is a set of AI models.

01:22:28.000 It is basically to safeguard against illegal material and so on.

01:22:32.000 But the great thing about open source and free software...

01:22:35.000 Is that people can tune it to their community's liking.

01:22:39.000 So if your community has different standards for moderation and so on, that AI should be tuned and tamed, domesticated by your community, not by some place that's very far, either in Silicon Valley or somewhere else in Beijing, and you have no control over it.

01:22:56.000 So my answer is that AI becomes assistive.

01:23:00.000 Augmenting only if we control the tuning of AI and domestication of AI so that it suits our own purposes, not some abstract big techs purposes.

01:23:13.000 Let's go to the chat again.

01:23:15.000 A couple more questions.

01:23:18.000 You scroll down.

01:23:20.000 Let's see.

01:23:23.000 Flydog777 said...

01:23:30.000 Well, there's two questions here.

01:23:31.000 How would we legislate a mandate or a law to embolden this?

01:23:35.000 And then Marnie has a question.

01:23:37.000 She says, what are steps we can take to support this?

01:23:40.000 Yeah, that's both great questions.

01:23:43.000 So in Taiwan, for example, we sent 200,000 SMS text messages from the official number 111 to ask random Taiwanese citizens what to do about the trolls, the defakes, the attack on information integrity online, and people share their ideas.

01:24:02.000 And then we basically asked people to volunteer like a jury.

01:24:06.000 So 450 people randomly selected, representing statistically Taiwan, came up on these online conversations in rooms of 10 people each.

01:24:15.000 45 rooms had this conversation.

01:24:17.000 And people definitely said, for example, that you should not be able to use money to buy this trollish influence that impersonates celebrities and, you know, get the celebrities to put words in their mouths that they have never said and so on.

01:24:33.000 Those deepfake ads need to go.

01:24:35.000 But we need to do that without censoring anyone.

01:24:37.000 So how do we do that?

01:24:38.000 So the people's idea is that if it is, for example, Audrey Tang's advertisement selling you something, Then it needs to secure a digital signature from Audrey Tang saying that I endorse this message.

01:24:51.000 That's it.

01:24:52.000 So if Facebook, for example, does not secure my signature and somebody gets scammed out of $2 million, then starting this year, Facebook in Taiwan is liable for that $2 million.

01:25:03.000 So this fraud, scams, financial damage can be combated in a way that does not have censorship as its side effect.

01:25:12.000 But rather it can simply require people who pay the money to digitally sign.

01:25:16.000 So that, I think, the Anti-Fraud Act is a very sensible piece of legislation that I hope other jurisdictions would consider.

01:25:24.000 But also the idea of coming up with such...

01:25:27.000 Pro-freedom, not censorship solutions.

01:25:30.000 That is also something that governments around the world can engage people more.

01:25:34.000 So as for concrete ways to support this, I think the ideas of a decentralized social media is still pretty new.

01:25:42.000 So spread that idea.

01:25:43.000 You can find many of those policies, ideas, and thoughts in the Plurality.net book.

01:25:51.000 And so the concept then of a digital signature, that would only then apply to advertisements to prevent scams.

01:25:59.000 But how would you then go about, I mean, that doesn't necessarily address what some people would call trolls, because a lot of memes could be considered trollish.

01:26:08.000 And so how do you go about that without censoring?

01:26:12.000 Because some people would say that a meme is a troll, and then some people would say that a troll is a meme.

01:26:18.000 Do you understand what I'm saying?

01:26:19.000 Like it's all about your interpretation or I guess like if you're on the receiving end of the meme or you're just an observer because some people would say that actual commentary or satire or real memes, artistic memes, artistic expression could be trolls but then others would see it differently.

01:26:37.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 And so to go back to the Romania example that your vice president brought up in Munich, I think what happened there is not a simple meme, but rather some way for one person to control thousands of accounts.

01:26:53.000 And as if there's like thousands of different people having different political views and so on, and then just trolling together.

01:27:01.000 And so I think the idea here is not to censor.

01:27:09.000 So if there's a foreign actor basically pretending to be 5,000 American people.

01:27:16.000 That should be detected as soon as possible.

01:27:18.000 And you can do it in a way that does not compromise privacy at all.

01:27:23.000 In Taiwan, we have this idea of decentralized wallet, and it's an infrastructure that allows people to digitally sign, but without revealing any personal details.

01:27:34.000 So I can sign saying that I'm a Taiwanese resident, or even that I'm a resident of Taipei City.

01:27:40.000 It's a discussion about the city budget, but it does not reveal my name, where I live, my social security number, or really anything else.

01:27:49.000 So this idea of selective disclosure, to let people prove that it is just one person behind it, to make it impossible for a foreign actor to control 5 million accounts, I think that is also the sort of infrastructure that we need to support together.

01:28:05.000 So how would, to, I guess if you could provide an answer then to the question that was asked is how would people go about legislating this?

01:28:13.000 Because our system here is a bit different and of course you have, you know, Congress and you have lawmakers and they have to draft up a bill and they have to get support and they have to take a vote for this bill on the floor of the House and they get approval in the Senate and then of course the bill goes to the desk of the President.

01:28:28.000 So how, given our system here in the United States of America, do you foresee citizens going about getting Something like this legislated?

01:28:38.000 Well, first of all, I think if something is shown to be technically possible and even preferred, then people will then put the pressure.

01:28:48.000 I think one of the good things that the European Union did is to basically say that you must use the same standard for connectors without saying that which company makes the...

01:29:13.000 And so they have this type C idea that we're all benefiting from.

01:29:16.000 So we're not, you know, compelled to buy like five sorts of micro USB lining or whatever chargers.

01:29:23.000 So imagine the same buffer social media so that instead of meta or X. Basically hoarding all the content.

01:29:32.000 If you want to view such content on TrueSocial or on Blue Sky or some other smaller experiences, then you can freely do so.

01:29:41.000 They cannot close the firehose, they cannot close the speech from being displayed in smaller communities.

01:29:48.000 I think that is also something that interoperability, as we say, is something that's also worth fighting for, because again, it emboldens free speech.

01:29:56.000 It makes it much harder for a larger platform to censor stuff.

01:30:00.000 So if you're interested in this idea, there's some policy blueprints about that.

01:30:05.000 You can find it in Project Liberty, the Project Liberty Institute.

01:30:09.000 I also advise I'm a senior fellow there have such policy packages.

01:30:14.000 And the hope is that we try it out in the TikTok people's bid if we get the bid from the McCourt O'Leary bid, or we can also try it in smaller places like True Social or Blue Sky.

01:30:26.000 And once people see that it's really working well, then it transfers into legislative action.

01:30:33.000 And then going along, well, just to kind of like pick your brain, I guess, on as it relates to authoritarianism, aside from the obvious, which is the CCP.

01:30:44.000 and we've talked about that extensively here on Loomer Unleashed.

01:30:47.000 What do you think right now is the biggest global authoritarian threat, especially as it relates to censorship and technology?

01:30:55.000 We've seen the threat of China, and given your position as the cyber ambassador in Taiwan, I'm sure you're constantly worried about the threat of Chinese occupation.

01:31:08.000 The threat of the CCP. But aside from the CCP and threats from Xi Jinping, what is the greatest global threat of authoritarianism right now?

01:31:19.000 As I mentioned, the authoritarian narrative is not just about censorship.

01:31:24.000 It is about pushing the meta-narrative that says freedom only leads to chaos.

01:31:29.000 Freedom only leads to infighting.

01:31:31.000 And this is also some, as you said, it's hard to tell a troll from a meme, right?

01:31:37.000 So even though it may not be specifically CCP actors saying this, there's also people repeating this meme in freedom-loving countries and basically giving up hope that absolute freedom of speech, of expression, of assembly, and so on can coexist with mutual understanding.

01:31:56.000 And so if we...

01:31:58.000 Make this meme viral.

01:32:00.000 If we say technology must advance freedom and freedom can lead to shared understanding, then that's a very powerful countermeasure, a counter-narrative to this narrative that says, oh, freedom only leads to infighting.

01:32:13.000 Look at America, right?

01:32:14.000 So I think we can all participate in this counter-narrative.

01:32:18.000 Wonderful.

01:32:19.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on my show tonight, and thank you so much for answering so many questions.

01:32:25.000 We have a lot more questions, but you'll have to come on again, and hopefully people will read your book, Plurality, the Future of Collaborative Technology and Democracy, and then also your very exciting film, Good Enough Ancestor.

01:32:37.000 I believe you said it comes out on March 9th.

01:32:39.000 Where are people going to be able to watch that film?

01:32:42.000 Well, I'll share it on True Social.

01:32:45.000 My handle is AudreyTong there.

01:32:47.000 I'm going to share it on X.com.

01:32:49.000 My handle is AudreyT there and also on Blue Sky.

01:32:53.000 Wonderful.

01:32:54.000 And aside from those social media handles, where else can people follow you and your work?

01:33:00.000 Well, I think most of all, I would like to invite people to follow the Plurality work.

01:33:06.000 So on Plurality.net, you will find our Discord channel.

01:33:10.000 Feel free to drop into the chat, so on and so forth.

01:33:13.000 Wonderful.

01:33:14.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on tonight.

01:33:17.000 I really appreciate it.

01:33:18.000 And thank you so much for speaking out about these issues and the work that you're doing to fight for free speech.

01:33:24.000 And breach these subjects about censorship and authoritarianism and collaborative communication for the preservation of democracy on an international stage.

01:33:35.000 I find it to be really interesting and of course I've been reading the book and reading your papers and I'm really looking forward to watching your movie when it comes out.

01:33:46.000 Well, thank you.

01:33:47.000 And thank you, people in the chat room, for being civil.

01:33:51.000 And I see just now FlyDog777 says that it was informative and interesting.

01:33:57.000 So that makes me really happy.

01:33:58.000 Thank you.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, well, thank you.

01:34:00.000 Yeah, we have a lot of people on Rumble, but then we also have, let's see how many people on X, because I streamed the show on X and Rumble.

01:34:07.000 So I don't know how many viewers we have right now on Rumble, but we have 60,000.

01:34:14.000 So 60,000 live viewers right now on X. So hopefully everybody watching finds it to be rather informative.

01:34:20.000 So be sure that if you're watching right now that you repost the live link on X and Rumble and also be sure that you follow Audrey on X and True Social.

01:34:29.000 Thank you so much.

01:34:31.000 Thank you.

01:34:31.000 Live long and prosper.

01:34:32.000 Thank you.

01:34:34.000 Wonderful.

01:34:35.000 I hope you guys found that to be interesting.

01:34:38.000 I personally find these subjects to be interesting given the fact that You know, I talk a lot about technocracy and the threat of the technocratic monarchy that is being pushed right now by the big tech oligarchs and whether you are a leftist or you're a conservative, I think that it would be completely naive and, I guess, short-sighted.

01:35:01.000 To disregard the obvious fact that an oligarchy is taking place in our country.

01:35:07.000 And even though I support President Trump and even though I voted for President Trump and even though I am in support of his policies, I do not support giving the wealthiest billionaires in the world access to make policy decisions within the White House.

01:35:26.000 I just don't.

01:35:27.000 I think it's dangerous.

01:35:28.000 We oppose this.

01:35:30.000 When the Democrats were doing this, when they were working hand-in-hand with the tech billionaires, and I think that for the sake of preserving free speech and the sake of having checks and balances and separation of powers and making sure that we can never again have Big tech censorship on the levels that we saw during the 2020 election.

01:35:49.000 It's important that we have guardrails.

01:35:51.000 So I've said before that we can be grateful for people like Elon Musk and appreciate what he's done in terms of purchasing X and his support of President Trump and his support financially of the conservative movement.

01:36:05.000 But I also think that we need to be critical of the amount of influence that some of these big tech social media giants Are having, especially as we see them writing multi-million dollar checks and then getting positions within the White House, right?

01:36:19.000 As we've seen with people like David Sachs and others and Mark Zuckerberg and, you know, you look at the individuals who are participating in these AI summits that they're having at the White House.

01:36:30.000 I just think that we need to be cautious and we need to Be aware that the pendulum swings.

01:36:38.000 And just because things are good right now for conservatives doesn't mean that things are always going to be good.

01:36:43.000 I mean, how many of you thought that we were ever going to escape the censorship hell brought upon us by Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg and others when we were witnessing all of the egregious deplatforming and censorship in the aftermath of the stolen election and really just throughout the entire election process?

01:36:59.000 Just like people now think that things are 100% certain and we have freedom of speech.

01:37:04.000 I mean, there's still issues with censorship in this country.

01:37:06.000 It doesn't mean that the pendulum cannot shift again.

01:37:10.000 And so it's important that we start talking about developing these technologies and decentralizing our communication platforms and having conversations about how we can update our legislation as it relates to dealing with technology.

01:37:27.000 Because technology is now having an ever-present role, not just in our day-to-day lives, but also in the way that we get our information, consume our news, and participate in political processes.

01:37:41.000 So I hope that you found this interview to be informative and interesting and that you'll visit the Plurality.net site and also check out Good Enough Ancestor when it comes out.

01:37:56.000 In about two weeks, because even though I'm a Trump supporter and things are good right now, I think it's great that President Trump's in control.

01:38:05.000 We have control of the House and the Senate.

01:38:07.000 Things could always change, and so you never want to get too comfortable.

01:38:11.000 You always want to be paying attention to how technology is transforming society, how technology is transforming the world, and the...

01:38:20.000 Ways that we can utilize technology to combat real authoritarianism.

01:38:24.000 I'm not talking about the authoritarianism that people are accusing President Trump of.

01:38:29.000 I'm talking about actual authoritarian movements that could take root in the flip of a dime.

01:38:35.000 All around the world, right?

01:38:37.000 As we've seen.

01:38:38.000 But if we empower ourselves with technology, we can combat that.

01:38:42.000 So I want to thank Audrey for coming on my program tonight.

01:38:46.000 Before we continue and we get into all of the dark money funding of these left wing movements and these protests that are popping up all around the country to protest Trump and Musk and Doge and all of these violent protests that we've seen in the last few weeks.

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01:43:06.000 Alrighty, now we're going to get into the craziness.

01:43:11.000 So, there's an organization.

01:43:13.000 Well, let's go ahead and just play these videos.

01:43:15.000 We have to tell the story from the beginning.

01:43:17.000 If you have been following my ex account and you've been following my reporting, then you know that...

01:43:24.000 We've been covering a lot of the protests here at Loomer Unleashed over the last few weeks that have been popping up across the country.

01:43:32.000 What am I talking about?

01:43:33.000 I'm talking about these protests against Doge, these protests against Musk, these protests against President Trump, in which the Democrats claim to be against the stripping of funding from groups like USAID and the federal funding freezes that are now being attacked in lawsuits by people like Tish James and a consortium of several So

01:44:07.000 it's quite ridiculous because these protests are essentially protesting the actions of the federal government to save you money.

01:44:16.000 So I don't really understand what these people are protesting because Well, they have proven through these records and the documents that have been released that billions of our dollars, our taxpayer dollars, have been wasted on egregious leftist programs.

01:44:31.000 They have gone into paying the salaries of...

01:44:35.000 Leftist political operatives to are the executives of these organizations describing themselves as charities, but taking half a million to $1.5, $1.8 million salaries per year, as we exposed last week here on Loomer Unleashed with the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation.

01:44:53.000 But that's just one of many organizations that are receiving grants and funding from the federal government.

01:45:00.000 And of course, that funding is coming from your taxpayer dollars.

01:45:05.000 People are very angry about this.

01:45:06.000 There are a lot of people in the Democrat Party who are very angry about the defunding of useless organizations that are wasting your money.

01:45:16.000 And so what are they doing?

01:45:18.000 While they're occupying space on Capitol Hill, they are organizing protests with the Senate Democrats.

01:45:23.000 They are organizing protests with Democrat members of the United States Congress.

01:45:28.000 And look, I've said before, There are legitimate reasons to be critical of Elon Musk.

01:45:35.000 I have been critical of Elon Musk.

01:45:37.000 I got in a very viral fight with Elon Musk in which he called me a troll and he censored my account and he demonetized me for over a month.

01:45:45.000 Now he's retweeting my content and sharing my content.

01:45:48.000 I do not agree with everything that Elon Musk does.

01:45:52.000 I do not agree with everything that Elon Musk says.

01:45:54.000 But you gotta throw a dog a bone every so often, and you have to call a spade a spade, and you have to also give credit where credit's due.

01:46:02.000 And I will say that Elon is doing a good thing in that he is helping save people's money.

01:46:09.000 He is exposing the fraud and abuse and a waste of people's taxpayer dollars.

01:46:15.000 Are there concerns about some of these staffers at Doge having access to people's personal information?

01:46:21.000 Yes, I agree that people should have open transparency.

01:46:25.000 Perhaps there should be cameras.

01:46:26.000 Perhaps there should be some kind of a public explanation for every single step that is being taken or every piece of data.

01:46:37.000 They're saying that they don't have access to people's information in the sense that they can't go in and make changes to You know, there are bank accounts.

01:46:46.000 They can't make changes to their personal information.

01:46:49.000 But there needs to be more transparency.

01:46:51.000 I will agree with that.

01:46:52.000 I agree with the left's claims and their request for more transparency.

01:46:57.000 I think that everybody wants to have full transparency.

01:47:00.000 But what is wrong about exposing fraud, waste, and abuse?

01:47:05.000 What is wrong about exposing political corruption and a misuse of taxpayer dollars?

01:47:11.000 I think a lot of these protests are Just kind of full of uneducated individuals. 0.98

01:47:18.000 They're not really picking and choosing their battles and they certainly are not using effective messaging because, well, if you want to have effective communication about Doge and you want to say something like, you know, maybe staffers shouldn't be going around calling themselves big balls and hairy balls. 0.92

01:47:35.000 Maybe the staffers should have a little bit more decorum. 0.99

01:47:38.000 Maybe there should be more professionalism in the way that Doge conducts itself.

01:47:43.000 People would listen if you actually had that conversation in a rational manner.

01:47:48.000 But once you start advocating for violence or you start waving Hamas flags, it's end of discussion, period.

01:47:55.000 It's a non-starter.

01:47:56.000 And so we've seen over the last few weeks that a lot of these protests have also been sharing space with the Palestinian protesters who are waving Hamas flags and calling for an intifada and calling for an end to Donald Trump and Netanyahu.

01:48:10.000 And then, unfortunately, Loomer unleashed.

01:48:13.000 Captured footage of Luigi Mangione simps.

01:48:18.000 I wish I was making this up, but there is a full-blown movement, apparently, that we discovered of Luigi Mangione supporters who are going to these anti-Donald Trump and anti-Elon Musk protests to protest Doge, protest Musk, protest Trump while...

01:48:38.000 Advocating for actions to be taken against them, like Luigi Mangione allegedly took against UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

01:48:46.000 So let's go ahead and play the clip.

01:48:48.000 If you're not familiar with who Luigi Mangione is, well, you know, he is the sensational Ivy League student who shot and killed, allegedly, they say.

01:48:59.000 I mean, he hasn't had his trial yet.

01:49:02.000 At point blank from behind the UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson a couple months ago in New York City as he was leaving his hotel room to speak at a healthcare conference in New York City.

01:49:13.000 And it was a very theatrical murder that took place because you had like a, he got away.

01:49:23.000 He got away.

01:49:24.000 So there was this manhunt and a police chase and the bullet casings had the words.

01:49:31.000 Defy, defend, depose, which was a reference to some publication about the way that healthcare executives are ripping people off.

01:49:42.000 And then there was a backpack that was found with a bunch of Monopoly money.

01:49:45.000 And so it was quite a sensational story.

01:49:48.000 And then...

01:49:49.000 You know, this guy, Luigi Mangione, happens to be relatively good-looking, and so you had people online that immediately created social media accounts supporting this individual and fanboying over him because he has a six-pack, and, you know, he's not my type.

01:50:06.000 I wouldn't say that I find him to be, like, jaw-dropping sexy, but he certainly does have some physical attributes that are...

01:50:15.000 Attractive.

01:50:16.000 But again, you know, what's the trade-off?

01:50:18.000 Are you going to be with somebody because they physically appear to be attractive while they could also be a cold-blooded murder?

01:50:26.000 Or...

01:50:26.000 You know, are we going to have standards?

01:50:28.000 But unfortunately now in this age of social media and the viral nature of social media, there was a lot of sympathy for Luigi Mangione.

01:50:37.000 There's even defense funds.

01:50:39.000 It became the subject of a White House press briefing this last week because Caitlin Collins, who of course is the White House correspondent for CNN and also has her own show on CNN, found herself in a lot of heat.

01:50:52.000 We can actually get this article pulled up before we show the video because I want to...

01:50:56.000 Explain it all to you and kind of set the storyline for you so you can understand just how deranged this is.

01:51:01.000 But not just how deranged it is, but also the type of mainstream media attention and support that this movement, even though it's insanely violent, is receiving.

01:51:13.000 So here we have the article.

01:51:15.000 Caitlin Collins fires back after conservatives criticized her ex-post on Luigi Mangione.

01:51:21.000 So about a day or so before this protest was captured on video by Lumer Unleashed in Washington, D.C., Luigi Mangione, who of course is the alleged murderer of Brian Thompson, the UnitedHealthcare CEO, his legal defense team, and he comes from a very wealthy family.

01:51:39.000 His family's very rich, and he has an all-star legal defense team.

01:51:43.000 I believe the woman who is his defense lawyer, from my understanding, Is married to P. Diddy's lawyer, if I'm not mistaken.

01:51:53.000 And so she's a she's a very high profile, high powered, expensive criminal defense attorney. 0.66

01:52:01.000 And of course, you know, that has already generated its own media attention, given the fact that the P. Diddy case is as viral as it is and as controversial as it is.

01:52:13.000 So why am I bringing this up?

01:52:14.000 Because his defense team actually launched a Luigi Mangione defense website where his supporters and his fans, yes, and I mean his supporters and his fans.

01:52:26.000 Do we actually have it?

01:52:27.000 We could get it pulled up.

01:52:28.000 Perhaps we could show people.

01:52:30.000 Because it's quite unbelievable that a guy who allegedly, and I say allegedly because everybody is presumed innocent until they're found guilty in the court of law in A jury of their peers.

01:52:44.000 So they believe that he is the guy who shot and killed Brian Thompson.

01:52:49.000 But because there was so much outrage and there was, sadly, I guess this kind of the sense of resentment that so many people in our society feel because they feel as though our health care industry is broken, which it is, right?

01:53:06.000 But that's not a reason to go murder somebody.

01:53:09.000 He found a lot of sympathizers to his cause and people saying, wow, finally somebody shot and killed these healthcare executives.

01:53:16.000 It's about time they had it coming.

01:53:18.000 And it created this sort of vigilante excitement or this love or this newfound support for vigilantism against rich corporate CEOs.

01:53:31.000 And so after this, you saw...

01:53:34.000 A need for increased security from a lot of these healthcare executives and just executives in any industry really around the country because people were talking about how it was open season for executives or people who are making enormous amounts of money in industries where people often feel jilted or they feel afflicted.

01:53:56.000 Luigi Mangione had all these people trying to send him commissary money, sending him money, asking if they could donate.

01:54:04.000 You had all these rich women that found him to be sexy and attractive contacting his legal team, asking if they could pay for his legal fees. 0.99

01:54:13.000 And so they have a public fund where people could actually send him fan mail, send him money, and fund his public defense.

01:54:21.000 And now you have people who are actually dressing up in Luigi costumes across the country.

01:54:28.000 And that's another thing.

01:54:29.000 Because his name was Luigi, it sparked this whole internet meme culture viral sensation.

01:54:34.000 Because obviously, you know, you have like Super Mario Kart.

01:54:37.000 And so people were like, it's me, Mario!

01:54:40.000 You know, and like they're making all the Luigi Super Mario Kart memes about this guy.

01:54:46.000 Who also kind of ironically looks like Luigi because he has like the really big black bushy eyebrows.

01:54:51.000 I mean, it's kind of entertaining in the sense that he does look like Luigi from Super Mario Kart.

01:55:00.000 So here's the legal defense page that his attorney set up for him.

01:55:07.000 That Caitlin Collins actually shared.

01:55:09.000 And people were accusing Caitlin Collins of promoting his fund because she has over a million followers on social media.

01:55:16.000 They were like, oh, wow, does Caitlin Collins support this?

01:55:19.000 Does she support, you know, the assassination of executives?

01:55:22.000 Because, well, everybody knows that Caitlin Collins, who used to, ironically, be a conservative, now is a rabid leftist and a rabid Trump hater. 1.00

01:55:31.000 So it says, Luigi Mangione legal defense information due to the extraordinary volume of inquiries and outpouring of support.

01:55:40.000 Outpouring of support for a guy who allegedly shot and killed a healthcare executive at point blank.

01:55:46.000 Okay, so this is the kind of like twisted world we're living in now.

01:55:52.000 This site was created and is maintained by Luigi Mangione's New York legal defense team to provide answers to frequently asked questions, accurate information about his cases, and to dispel misinformation.

01:56:05.000 The intent is to share factual information regarding the unprecedented multiple prosecutions against him, and he has been charged with terroristic actions.

01:56:17.000 I know that, you know, he had this very...

01:56:20.000 A dramatic perp walk by Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City.

01:56:25.000 And, you know, it almost looked like...

01:56:27.000 I think we could even find the photo.

01:56:29.000 If you type in Luigi Mangione perp walk, I mean, it almost looked like it was out of a movie scene in the way that they were trying to sensationalize this guy.

01:56:39.000 And, of course, here we go to the photo.

01:56:40.000 Let's go to the photo and you can see it.

01:56:42.000 See, they have, like, all these people around them.

01:56:45.000 You have Eric Adams in the background, SWAT officers.

01:56:48.000 Just for one guy, right?

01:56:50.000 So it's quite dramatic.

01:56:51.000 Very dramatic.

01:56:54.000 Very dramatic perp walk for Luigi Mangione.

01:56:58.000 Let's go back to his defense page.

01:57:00.000 Because there's a reason I'm showing you this.

01:57:04.000 They actually posted a message from him.

01:57:06.000 It said, I'm overwhelmed by and grateful for everybody who has written me to share their stories and express their support.

01:57:13.000 Powerfully, this support has transcended political, racial, and even class divisions as mail has flooded MDC, I guess his prison facility, from across the country and around the globe.

01:57:26.000 While it is impossible for me to reply to most letters, please know that I read every one that I received.

01:57:32.000 Thank you again to everyone who took the time to write.

01:57:34.000 I look forward to hearing more in the future.

01:57:38.000 He's literally getting fan mail and people are, you know, sending him.

01:57:42.000 Fan mail, because they are idolizing this guy who allegedly murdered the UnitedHealthcare CEO. Scroll down.

01:57:49.000 Let's see.

01:57:51.000 What does the attorney say?

01:57:52.000 Yeah, so Karen Friedman, Agnifilo, I believe her name is.

01:57:57.000 And then Mark, that's her husband.

01:57:59.000 So that's a powerhouse husband-wife team. 1.00

01:58:03.000 And again, as I said before, they received a lot of attention because they have high-profile clientele, including P. Diddy, from my understanding.

01:58:13.000 Luigi is represented by Thomas Dickey of Tom Dickey Law Offices in Pennsylvania.

01:58:18.000 So he has the money to have a high-powered defense team.

01:58:22.000 His family has enormous wealth, and it's my understanding that Luigi Mangione himself was the heir to an enormous fortune.

01:58:32.000 When this happened, when Luigi Mangione was accused of and arrested and charged with What they say is the murder of Brian Thompson.

01:58:43.000 There was this push for class consciousness and there was this push for class divisions and a glorification of...

01:58:52.000 Of people going out and murdering the rich, right?

01:58:55.000 This whole eat the rich mentality or eat the rich, kill the rich mentality that we often see is promoted by Marxists.

01:59:03.000 And so what did we find?

01:59:05.000 What did Loomer Unleashed uncover when we were on the ground looking at all these different protests this week?

01:59:11.000 Well, we found the Luigi Mangione fan club!

01:59:14.000 And they were there.

01:59:15.000 They were actually present at the anti-Trump and anti-Musk protests against Doge.

01:59:20.000 And they were advocating for the murder of Elon Musk and the murder of Donald Trump and Doge officials.

01:59:28.000 And so we're going to play this video for you.

01:59:30.000 And we have several videos actually back-to-back.

01:59:33.000 This first one is our interaction with the guy that's holding up a sign advocating for the assassination of...

01:59:40.000 Elon Musk and Donald Trump because these are the words on the sign that were on the bullet casings found next to Brian Thompson's body.

01:59:48.000 And they also put the Super Mario bullet on the sign.

01:59:52.000 So we're going to play these two videos back to back for you.

01:59:58.000 Clearly, there's an effort to not just go out and kill healthcare executives and to celebrate and glorify people who murder healthcare executives because people feel like they're getting ripped off by healthcare companies.

02:00:09.000 But now this has also transcended to a movement where people feel emboldened enough.

02:00:16.000 Because of the glorification of these defense funds with high-profile attorneys and the way that the media is sensationalizing this and Caitlin Collins of CNN sharing the defense fund to actually go out on Capitol Hill in front of media without wearing a mask and advocate for the cold-blood murder of Trump administration officials.

02:00:36.000 Let's go ahead and play these clips I'm trying to figure out the meaning of this sign Okay, thank you very much.

02:00:47.000 Bye!

02:00:52.000 We stand with you.

02:00:54.000 We stand with you.

02:00:59.000 So, are you- do you support Uliji Mandelon?

02:01:02.000 Is he like your hero?

02:01:03.000 Is that why you're making a sign like this?

02:01:07.000 I'm just leaving alone.

02:01:09.000 I mean, he's putting a sign up that's threatening CEOs, so, like, it's...

02:01:15.000 Nah, I'm gonna talk to him.

02:01:17.000 I'm not going to leave him alone.

02:01:24.000 I mean I'm just asking like who's your hero politician?

02:01:31.000 Wait, so you guys are cool with, like, people threatening people's lives?

02:01:36.000 Because that's what this sign is doing.

02:01:38.000 It's threatening people's lives.

02:01:41.000 I'm just going to ask one more time.

02:01:43.000 Raise your right hand, guys.

02:01:44.000 Let's get rid of this guy.

02:01:46.000 I mean, I guess you can get... 0.98

02:01:48.000 So your cause is killing CEOs?

02:01:53.000 Is that your cause?

02:01:55.000 Well, that's what I'm asking.

02:01:56.000 I'm saying...

02:01:57.000 You're calling me an extremist?

02:02:00.000 and you're the one holding up for all the Ouija signs?

02:02:03.000 You're literally holding a sign.

02:02:23.000 Alright.

02:02:26.000 Alright, you guys are angry.

02:02:29.000 Seems like they're angry they've been exposed.

02:02:40.000 Oh, so now you're blocking the Alleghi sign with an F-Trump sign.

02:02:45.000 Alright.

02:02:48.000 So they don't want to answer if they think killing Elon Musk is a good idea.

02:02:53.000 And now they're blocking with F-Trump sign.

02:02:56.000 And now look, they're taking pictures of me.

02:02:59.000 Oh, this guy's now talking to me.

02:03:02.000 Are you cool with that sign?

02:03:07.000 You're literally threatening the president's life with a sign.

02:03:11.000 And all I'm asking is, why did you make that sign?

02:03:14.000 And you guys are freaking out.

02:03:20.000 I like you videotaping me.

02:03:23.000 All he has to do is answer my question.

02:03:26.000 Like, do you think threatening the president's life is appropriate?

02:03:29.000 Alright.

02:03:30.000 All right, so I guess he's cool.

02:03:32.000 Whoa.

02:03:35.000 Whoa.

02:03:37.000 No fascist USA! No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA! No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA! No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA! No Trump! No KKK!

02:03:56.000 No fascist USA! No KKK!

02:03:58.000 Oh, may I ask?

02:04:04.000 Is Luigi like a good...

02:04:05.000 Is he like a good role model for you?

02:04:08.000 You know, he's calling attention to things that we need to be paying more attention to, which is the fact that people are dying because of a lack of health insurance.

02:04:17.000 Who's your favorite politician?

02:04:19.000 My favorite politician?

02:04:22.000 Who is my favorite politician?

02:04:28.000 I like Marx.

02:04:29.000 Marx is great.

02:04:31.000 What if I like any in Congress right now?

02:04:34.000 Converse is compromise, that's for sure.

02:04:36.000 So she says that her favorite politician is Karl Marx.

02:04:47.000 Okay, so the father of Marxism.

02:04:50.000 And first of all, he's not a politician.

02:04:54.000 Secondly...

02:04:55.000 She's asked point blank by Charles Downs, who of course is our Loomer Unleashed DC correspondent, whether or not Luigi Mangione is inspiring to her and whether or not he's a hero.

02:05:08.000 And she says that, well, you know, he's bringing awareness to issues that really matter and he's bringing awareness to things that are really important.

02:05:18.000 Like what?

02:05:20.000 Like murdering people in cold blood?

02:05:23.000 Because you don't agree with them and you don't agree with their policies or you don't like the fact that they're CEO of a company or multiple companies like Elon Musk is.

02:05:34.000 So it's pretty brazen.

02:05:35.000 I mean, just imagine.

02:05:36.000 Imagine going out there.

02:05:38.000 Like, we've seen stories before of women who get crushes on serial killers and they've done documentaries on this or there's...

02:05:47.000 True crime stories about this where you have these women who become fascinated with serial killers and they fall in love with them and they write love letters to them and they communicate with serial killers.

02:05:58.000 And serial killers, even though some of them are in prison for the rest of their life, have these romances with these weird women who fall in love with them.

02:06:07.000 You have these women who are now falling in love with Luigi Mangione, and they're idolizing him, and they're trying to satisfy him and please him and be like him.

02:06:16.000 And this is not a conspiracy theory.

02:06:19.000 We just showed you two individuals who, by...

02:06:23.000 You know, their own admission.

02:06:24.000 We're there in support of Luigi Mangione and using the signage.

02:06:29.000 And we can get the screenshot up again.

02:06:31.000 Here's Elon Musk replying.

02:06:33.000 He actually replied to the tweet, the video, when we first posted it.

02:06:36.000 So he said, let's go get the other one first.

02:06:43.000 He said, they're going way too far.

02:06:45.000 A man was actually murdered by Luigi and they tried to kill the president twice.

02:06:49.000 This is not okay at all.

02:06:50.000 So scroll down so people can see it.

02:06:53.000 Yeah, that was in reply.

02:06:54.000 Scroll up.

02:06:56.000 No, scroll up and open up the tweet.

02:06:59.000 This one, yeah.

02:07:01.000 They're going way too far.

02:07:02.000 A man was actually murdered by Luigi and they tried to kill the president twice.

02:07:06.000 This is not okay at all.

02:07:07.000 So that's Elon Musk replying to the video that we posted.

02:07:11.000 You can scroll up and you can see the original video.

02:07:14.000 We said the protest is happening right outside the U.S. Capitol.

02:07:18.000 The Women's March posted in solidarity of it.

02:07:20.000 As you can see, attendees include members of the Free Palestine Movement and radical leftists who are calling for someone to murder, aka Luigi Mangione, Donald Trump, and Elon Musk.

02:07:31.000 And then we have another tweet from Elon Musk in response to the video where he said, advocating for the murder of the president is a serious crime and they have the gall to do so on President's Day.

02:07:42.000 Letting Eagle Martin, Ed, know about this.

02:07:44.000 And you can click on Ed Martin's handle.

02:07:47.000 Ed Martin, U.S. Attorney, District of Columbia.

02:07:50.000 So it's been, I guess you could say, moved up the totem pole of Elon Musk, who is now officially tech support for the White House and has the president's ear and has the ear of all these Trump administration officials.

02:08:04.000 I'm sure that it's also been sent to Secret Service.

02:08:07.000 We actually got a photo of the guy's face.

02:08:10.000 Let's see if we can get that tweet pulled up, too.

02:08:12.000 We zoomed in.

02:08:14.000 I believe we have that image.

02:08:16.000 Get that pulled up.

02:08:18.000 But we have the guy's face zoomed in so you can actually see firsthand what he looks like because Elon Musk had said he wanted to report him.

02:08:27.000 So there's the guy's face.

02:08:30.000 Go back to the other photo.

02:08:34.000 And it says the sign.

02:08:36.000 Go back to the video so that we can get another screenshot of the video and see the full like the sign on the video.

02:08:44.000 It says Elon Don, Luigi says, deny, defend, depose.

02:08:50.000 And you see the little Luigi face, because it's Luigi Mangione, and then the Super Mario bullet.

02:09:01.000 Let's go to a browser and type in, deny, defend, depose, so you can see what I'm talking about.

02:09:09.000 Go to Google. Do this in real time.

02:09:17.000 Go to all and type in news.

02:09:23.000 Okay, here you go.

02:09:25.000 Click on that one.

02:09:28.000 So, as I said before, the words on the ammunition in the CEO's shooting echo common phrase on insurer tactics, delay, deny, defend.

02:09:37.000 So, this is how they kind of like piece together the fact that the guy who murdered Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, had something against the healthcare executive or was doing this in a vindictive, kind of vigilante manner because there was a book or there was a publication that had this phrase in there, delay, deny, defend.

02:10:01.000 So you scroll down so that people can...

02:10:03.000 I can see what this is.

02:10:05.000 So, a message left at the scene of a health insurance executive's fatal shooting, deny, defend, and depose, echoes a phrase commonly used to describe insurer tactics to avoid paying claims.

02:10:16.000 The three words, deny, defend, depose, were written on the ammunition a mass gunman used to kill UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, according to two law enforcement officials who spoke with the Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.

02:10:35.000 Excuse me.

02:10:35.000 They're similar to the phrase delay, deny, defend the way some attorneys describe how insurers deny services and payment and the title of a 2010 book that was highly critical of the healthcare industry.

02:10:50.000 Well, then, of course, Luigi Mangione was arrested and he was charged and now he's awaiting his trial.

02:10:56.000 So go back to the photo and you can see firsthand what does that sign say?

02:11:02.000 Elon Don, Luigi says, deny, defend, oppose, and it has the bullet.

02:11:06.000 You see the little Super Mario bullet.

02:11:08.000 That's clearly an incitement of violence.

02:11:11.000 I mean, they said that this guy, Luigi Mangione, allegedly shot and killed Brian Thompson, and the bullet casings had the words, deny, defend, oppose.

02:11:20.000 So, if you see a sign with a bullet, with a guy that looks like Luigi, and they're dressed like Luigi, too, because that's the jacket.

02:11:27.000 if you recall what Luigi Mangione was wearing.

02:11:30.000 Let's go to the photo of Luigi Mangione or Luigi, just maybe type in like Luigi Mangione green jacket.

02:11:38.000 You can see here when they release these images, click on the New York Post right there.

02:11:52.000 Jacket, click on that whole thing, yeah.

02:11:55.000 Jacket.

02:11:57.000 This is so crazy, okay?

02:11:58.000 This is just, you know, how crazy people are.

02:12:01.000 Jacket worn by alleged UnitedHealthcare shooter Luigi Mangione is flying off the shelves.

02:12:06.000 So, you can scroll down.

02:12:09.000 A green trucker jacket similar to that of alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione has reportedly surged in sales as the internet frenzy over his looks continues.

02:12:20.000 According to Complex, the Sherpa-lined hooded jacket from Levi's, which rings in at $225, is flying off the shelves after a Reddit user speculated that it was the same coat worn by the accused killer.

02:12:33.000 CCTV footage from the day of CEO Brian Thompson's murder in Midtown shows the shooter wearing a green hooded jacket, not unlike the viral Levi's coat.

02:12:45.000 He's wearing a green jacket. 0.99

02:12:46.000 These people are crazy. 0.95

02:12:48.000 They're dressing up like Luigi Mangione. 0.99

02:12:49.000 They're using the words that he had on the bullet casings allegedly that he allegedly used when he shot and killed.

02:12:57.000 Allegedly, of course.

02:12:59.000 And we're only saying this because even though people really believe that Luigi Mangione murdered Brian Thompson, everybody is entitled to their trial and a jury of their peers.

02:13:13.000 I think it's pretty crazy.

02:13:15.000 This is the outfit that was worn by Luigi Mangione, and this was the outfit and the exact words that were on the bullet casings.

02:13:22.000 So how are we supposed to react to somebody doing this?

02:13:25.000 It's clearly incitement of violence.

02:13:27.000 It's clearly a threat.

02:13:31.000 It's clearly a call for the assassination of the President of the United States, which is a crime.

02:13:37.000 Go back up to my other tweet because I believe I put the fines and the penalties there so people could see.

02:13:42.000 Scroll down what the actual fine is.

02:13:45.000 Scroll down.

02:13:48.000 Maybe it's in my other tweet.

02:13:49.000 I had a tweet where I posted the actual fine for what it was.

02:13:55.000 was.

02:13:55.000 I'll just have to look it up myself, I guess.

02:13:57.000 When you call for the assassination of the president, you Thank you.

02:14:08.000 We'll just look it up in real time.

02:14:09.000 Threatening the president of the United States is a Class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871.

02:14:21.000 It is punishable by up to five years in prison with a maximum fine of $250,000, a $100 special assessment, and up to three years of supervised release.

02:14:33.000 You know, it's crazy that nothing is being done about this.

02:14:37.000 I mean, we have President Trump in the White House now, so it's fine.

02:14:40.000 Just forget about it.

02:14:41.000 I already pulled it up.

02:14:42.000 So we have the penalties here for threatening the President of the United States, and it's a Class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871. Why are these people not going to prison?

02:14:56.000 Why is the Secret Service not arresting these people?

02:14:59.000 I mean, you clearly see it.

02:15:01.000 You can, if you want to pull it up, Cannon, just type in, if you want to pull it up on the big screen for people to see, just type in punishment for threatening to kill the President of the United States so that people can actually see this firsthand.

02:15:15.000 You can just type it in on Google if you want.

02:15:19.000 But where is the Secret Service?

02:15:23.000 Where is the FBI? Now you see firsthand why the Democrats are slow walking the confirmation of Kash Patel as FBI director.

02:15:32.000 We've talked about this extensively here on Loomer Unleashed, right?

02:15:35.000 Here we go.

02:15:36.000 Punishable, just so you all can see that what I'm saying is verifiable.

02:15:41.000 Thank you, Cannon.

02:15:43.000 It is punishable up to five years in prison, a maximum fine of $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

02:15:53.000 So if you can go to jail for five years for threatening to assassinate the president, why do people feel so emboldened under the current Trump administration to dress up like Luigi Mangione and walk around with signs advocating for the assassination of President Trump?

02:16:13.000 I don't know.

02:16:14.000 I think it's pretty crazy.

02:16:16.000 Let's get your comments in the chat.

02:16:18.000 I want to see what you all have to say about this and whether you think that, why you think, I guess, why you think that these people have not been arrested.

02:16:27.000 What do you think, Cannon?

02:16:28.000 Obviously, they can't hear you, but I want to know what everybody thinks because it's insane to me that people are walking around dressed up like Luigi, saying that he inspires them.

02:16:39.000 You saw that one girl dress up in a Luigi costume and you see this guy dressed up in the jacket.

02:16:45.000 How are these people not on FBI watch lists?

02:16:47.000 How are these people not being arrested or fined or jailed for attempting to assassinate the President of the United States?

02:16:54.000 And why are people just allowing this behavior to happen after two thwarted assassination attempts on President Trump's life? 0.57

02:17:02.000 Just absolutely crazy.

02:17:09.000 Absolutely out of control.

02:17:11.000 And now you see why the Democrats, as I said before, are slow walking this nomination.

02:17:15.000 Tomorrow, we're going to see the vote.

02:17:17.000 We're going to finally have a vote, perhaps, in the Senate Judiciary Committee to allow for a final floor vote in the Senate.

02:17:27.000 We need to move Kash Patel's vote out of the committee, the Senate Judiciary Committee.

02:17:32.000 And who runs the Senate Judiciary Committee?

02:17:36.000 Well, Dick Durbin!

02:17:38.000 His photo is the photo used by Judiciary Dems if you go to their X account.

02:17:44.000 So if you go to the Judiciary Dems X account, you have Dick Durbin's face as their profile photo.

02:17:54.000 There you go. 1.00

02:17:56.000 One big giant dick. 1.00

02:17:58.000 Dick Durbin, the chairman. 0.99

02:18:02.000 Senate Judiciary Democrats, here's our X account.

02:18:04.000 Why am I bringing this up?

02:18:06.000 Why does this have any relevancy?

02:18:08.000 Well, along with these leftist protesters, these Marxists who were, you know, advocating for the assassination of Trump and Elon and supporting Luigi Mangione and supporting his message and basically cosplaying an alleged assassin.

02:18:30.000 Dick Durbin's daughter, by the name of Jen Durbin, who we've spoken about on the show before, because as As you know, if you are a viewer of the show, Jen Durbin put out scripts that her father gave her, and the scripts had instructions for how people should call and complain against President Trump's nominees.

02:18:50.000 So why is this a conflict?

02:18:52.000 Because Senator Dick Durbin is supposed to be an objective observer and participant within this confirmation process.

02:19:00.000 And these scripts somehow made their way to his daughter's Facebook page in which they were advocating for people to use an actual script.

02:19:08.000 Like, not organic political organizing, not organic phone canvassing for politicians, but a script.

02:19:15.000 And I have a tweet that I just posted about two hours or so ago before coming on my show live.

02:19:23.000 And I quote tweeted it because, well, we broke the story about Jen Durbin and the scripts about a week or two ago.

02:19:31.000 But here we have, right here, if you scroll up a little bit, exclusive.

02:19:36.000 These are from yesterday.

02:19:38.000 Senator Dick Durbin's daughter attends and promotes protests calling for Doge to be wood-chipped.

02:19:43.000 Yes, actual violence.

02:19:44.000 Jen Durbin, the daughter of ranking Senate Judiciary Democrat Senator Durbin, attended the Democrat-led protests yesterday against the confirmation of Kash Patel, where attendees were advocating for violence against Doge, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump.

02:19:58.000 Her father, Dick Durbin, is on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

02:20:01.000 You can scroll down a little bit, please.

02:20:04.000 His face is their ex-profile picture, as Cannon just showed you, which is the committee that is supposed to hold a vote tomorrow to move Kash Patel's nomination to the Senate floor for a final vote.

02:20:15.000 In the pics below that I obtained from Jen's Instagram account, you can see that she posted pictures of violent signs that advocated for Doge to be wood-chipped.

02:20:23.000 As well as signs attacking Trump's nominees, Kennedy, Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, and Kash Patel.

02:20:29.000 Egregious bias on display.

02:20:31.000 So you can scroll down and you can see here the images.

02:20:36.000 And CCP's skip tracer was nice enough to put the red arrows on these photos.

02:20:41.000 If you could please click the first photo and enlarge it so that we could see that.

02:20:48.000 Durbin Jen. 0.99

02:20:49.000 Obviously, that is her Instagram account.

02:20:53.000 Dick Durbin's daughter.

02:20:55.000 Her post from yesterday, chance rang out, caught the tail end, February 28th, national boycott, buy nothing day, spread the word.

02:21:02.000 And the sign clearly says, are you able to click and zoom in a little bit just on that sign?

02:21:09.000 Is it possible?

02:21:14.000 Okay, zoom in just a little bit more.

02:21:21.000 Okay. 1.00

02:21:22.000 It says, fuck fascists, woodchip doge. 1.00

02:21:26.000 Well, what does that mean? 1.00

02:21:31.000 We all know what a woodchipper looks like.

02:21:34.000 They want doge to be put in a woodchipper.

02:21:38.000 Now, there are very gruesome incidents of human beings falling into woodchippers.

02:21:43.000 You can go to Google and you can type in woodchipper death.

02:21:50.000 Maybe there's photos, I don't know.

02:21:56.000 I'm not going to look at photos of the actual woodchipper death, but you can look at news stories.

02:22:01.000 Type in news.

02:22:03.000 Okay.

02:22:05.000 So here's an example, right?

02:22:08.000 Horrible loss.

02:22:09.000 Man killed in woodchipper accident in Ocean Ridge.

02:22:12.000 Okay, that happened three weeks ago.

02:22:14.000 Florida tree trimmer dies after he unexpectedly gets pulled into woodchipper.

02:22:20.000 So...

02:22:20.000 It's a really terrible way to die.

02:22:23.000 You can scroll down.

02:22:25.000 Teen pulled into commercial woodchipper dies.

02:22:28.000 Scroll down.

02:22:30.000 This just happened three weeks ago.

02:22:32.000 Let's click on this New York Post story.

02:22:34.000 Florida tree trimmer killed after getting caught in woodchipper while working at town hall.

02:22:41.000 So it's obviously incitement to violence against Elon Musk and his doge officials because, well, you know, what does that mean?

02:22:50.000 So like wood chip something, put something in it and have it be grinded like a meat grinder.

02:22:55.000 You die if you fall into a wood chipper.

02:22:56.000 I don't need to explain it.

02:22:57.000 There are probably photos or examples of things like this or, you know, the aftermath.

02:23:01.000 We're not going to show the photos here, but I'm sure that if you really wanted to see what the aftermath of going through a wood chipper looked like, you could probably find that online if you did enough research.

02:23:11.000 But essentially it's very, very gruesome.

02:23:14.000 It's very brutal.

02:23:15.000 Imagine a human being being put in a meat grinder.

02:23:18.000 That's basically, What it would be like to woodchip something.

02:23:23.000 So it is an incitement of violence, and Senator Dick Durbin, who is on the Senate Judiciary Committee, who is going to be participating in this vote tomorrow, his daughter is out there posting this on her social media.

02:23:35.000 So let's go back to the photos so that people can see.

02:23:38.000 There you go, woodchip doge.

02:23:40.000 Let's go to the next photo.

02:23:45.000 There was one more photo in the tweet.

02:23:48.000 If you just scroll next, yeah.

02:23:49.000 So here you go, the other arrow there.

02:23:51.000 Y'all can't be serious.

02:23:53.000 Chants rang out, caught the tail end.

02:23:55.000 February 28th, national boycott, Jen Durbin.

02:23:59.000 They're talking about Trump's nominees.

02:24:02.000 Robert F. Kennedy, Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, and Kash Patel, who of course is the last one for his confirmation hearing.

02:24:11.000 They need to bring it to a floor vote in the Senate.

02:24:13.000 So RFK has been confirmed.

02:24:15.000 Hegseth's been confirmed.

02:24:17.000 Just last week, Tulsi Gabbard was confirmed.

02:24:20.000 So just ask yourself, is this really kosher?

02:24:23.000 Should this be happening?

02:24:24.000 Should the children of U.S. senators who are on these committees overseeing this process be allowed to post incitement of violence against President Trump's nominees?

02:24:36.000 And why are we not seeing condemnation from Senator Dick Durbin of these actions?

02:24:41.000 Let's go to the chat.

02:24:42.000 I want to get people's views.

02:24:43.000 Put your questions in the chat.

02:24:45.000 Before we...

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02:26:40.000 Let's go to the chat before we start exploring the funding sources for the groups that are behind these protests, these protests that we're now seeing, these violent protests all across the country, because some people are wondering.

02:26:53.000 Who's behind it?

02:26:54.000 The Democrats sometimes deny that they're affiliated with or associated with these protests that are inciting violence, where people who are fanboys and fangirls of Luigi Mangione are showing up, calling for the assassination of President Trump and Elon.

02:27:10.000 We're going to prove to you that they are tied to the Democrats tonight.

02:27:14.000 Any comments, any questions before we move on to these funding sources?

02:27:18.000 We're going to expose this tonight live on Loomer Unleashed.

02:27:28.000 Scroll up.

02:27:29.000 Let's see what people say.

02:27:30.000 Okay, a couple questions, then we'll get started.

02:27:33.000 Let's see.

02:27:42.000 Let's see.

02:27:48.000 How many chips would a woodchipper chip and a woodchipper would chip chips?

02:27:52.000 I don't know.

02:27:53.000 Somebody said, my great-grandfather was pulled into a combine.

02:27:58.000 Terrible.

02:28:02.000 That is terrible.

02:28:04.000 You can scroll up.

02:28:07.000 Somebody said the movie Fargo has a scene for the wood chipper.

02:28:13.000 Kimmy B said, Trump will make sure cash is confirmed no matter what the rhinos are trying to do, and believe me, it is the rhinos causing the delays.

02:28:22.000 Well, the Democrats are also causing the delays.

02:28:25.000 All of them are really causing the delays.

02:28:26.000 I mean, look, John Thune said that they weren't going to allow for anybody to have a vacation or anybody to have a weekend until all of President Trump's nominees were confirmed.

02:28:36.000 But they all just went to Germany, right?

02:28:38.000 We all just saw them go to Germany for the security conference, and then they came back today.

02:28:45.000 Congress is out for the rest of the week, the House is at least, and so the Senate's meeting tomorrow.

02:28:52.000 And I guess we're going to see if they're going to continue obstructing.

02:28:58.000 Who's funding these protests, though, right?

02:29:01.000 Who is behind this event?

02:29:03.000 Who is behind this protest where people were dressed up like Luigi Mangione calling for the assassination of Elon Musk and President Trump?

02:29:12.000 Well, let's go back to the screenshot of that Women's March Facebook post or that Instagram post that they made.

02:29:19.000 Because it has some interesting information on there.

02:29:22.000 And then you can see how we figured this out.

02:29:27.000 So the day of the protest, which is President's Day yesterday, the Women's March posted this on their official Instagram account.

02:29:35.000 It said, Not my president, no kings in America national actions on February 17th.

02:29:40.000 The Women's March is in solidarity with local feminist leaders and everyday people taking action on Monday, February 17th.

02:29:47.000 As part of the Not My President, No Kings in America national actions. 0.77

02:29:51.000 While our country faces an administrative coup led by Trump and his billionaire allies, this fight for our democracy calls for all of us to do everything that we can to protect our freedoms.

02:30:02.000 Across the country, people are rising up in decentralized actions to make their opposition heard.

02:30:07.000 We encourage everyone to find or organize an action in their community and add their voice to this fight.

02:30:13.000 We will not be silent.

02:30:15.000 We will not give in.

02:30:16.000 We resist.

02:30:17.000 Hashtag not my president.

02:30:18.000 Hashtag 50-51 movement.

02:30:20.000 No kings in America.

02:30:22.000 Hashtag remain visible.

02:30:25.000 We started looking and of course there were several news articles because There were a lot of these protests that really popped up all across the country.

02:30:33.000 It wasn't just in New York where Jen Durbin attended. 0.85

02:30:36.000 No, it was also Washington, D.C., but also other cities across the country.

02:30:40.000 If you want to canon, please get those articles pulled up so that people can see what we're talking about as it relates to these different articles that attribute these protests to this movement called 50-51.

02:30:55.000 And no, I'm not talking about like 50 and then 51. 5-0-5-0-1.

02:31:01.000 5-0-5-0-1.

02:31:02.000 What does that stand for?

02:31:04.000 Well, it stands for 50 protests, 50 states, one day, or one movement, because they're planning on doing this, not just on one day.

02:31:12.000 So you can scroll up.

02:31:15.000 There's our flyer for it.

02:31:16.000 What we know about nationwide...

02:31:17.000 I'm sorry, scroll up a little bit more.

02:31:19.000 What we know about nationwide anti-Trump protests on February 5th.

02:31:22.000 Well, these also happened the other day as well.

02:31:26.000 Post...

02:31:27.000 Scroll up a little bit.

02:31:28.000 Posts on various social media platforms called for demonstrators to show up at all 50 U.S. state capitals.

02:31:33.000 Here we go.

02:31:34.000 We have the flyer there.

02:31:36.000 50 protests, 50 states.

02:31:38.000 There's a subreddit.

02:31:39.000 So there's a subreddit, r slash 5051. You can see the subreddit right there.

02:31:45.000 They're promoting this on Reddit.

02:31:47.000 So it's a movement that really originated on Reddit, but it has actual infrastructure behind it.

02:31:53.000 It's not just some...

02:31:54.000 Some online movement where it's a bunch of people posting on a Reddit thread.

02:31:59.000 No, it actually has, from our research here at Loomer Unleash and what we found, ties to Democrat organizations, ties to political PACs, ties to the Democrat Party, believe it or not.

02:32:11.000 Surprise, surprise.

02:32:12.000 Scroll down.

02:32:15.000 In late January 2025, social media users on multiple platforms began calling for people to join nationwide protests against U.S. President Donald Trump's administration.

02:32:26.000 The Post claimed that the demonstrations were set to be held in all 50 states on February 5th, 2025. Well, obviously, President's Day was yesterday.

02:32:34.000 For example, one user shared an image that read, 50 protests, 50 states, one day.

02:32:40.000 Right?

02:32:41.000 50, 50, one.

02:32:43.000 It also included the date and listed the location as your state's capital.

02:32:48.000 You can see here it has Black Lives Matter imagery because this movement is also tied to the Black Lives Matter movement.

02:32:58.000 Another user called for people to join 50 peaceful protests in 50 oppressed states for one day at your state capitol.

02:33:05.000 A sentence at the bottom of the post said that the protests were taking place Due to quote, Trump being in the White House illegally according to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

02:33:16.000 Now, of course, we're familiar with Section 3. Of the 14th Amendment because it became the basis for which secretaries of state in multiple states filed lawsuits to try to kick Trump off the ballot during the election, citing this what they called a Civil War Clause to accuse him of inciting an insurrection.

02:33:38.000 This clause, right, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is often called the Civil War Clause or the Insurrection Clause.

02:33:47.000 Critics of Trump argued that because he had incited an insurrection, which he did not at the United States Capitol, he was unqualified or rather disqualified from holding office if he engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution. 0.89

02:34:03.000 Well, clearly, you know, the American people found this to be bullshit because, well, Donald Trump won the election in a resounding mandate.

02:34:13.000 But of course, this so-called insurrection is a reference to the January 6th protests. 0.90

02:34:18.000 So what happens when you pull up 50-51?

02:34:22.000 Let's go to the website.

02:34:24.000 We're going to do this in real time so that you can see how these investigations are done.

02:34:27.000 So if you're interested in trying to identify the funding sources or if you're watching this and you are interested in doing investigative reporting yourself, we're going to show you in real time how you do this so that you can also start tracking the people who are behind these violent protests.

02:34:45.000 They say that they're not violent.

02:34:47.000 It's really laughable.

02:34:48.000 Like, what do you call Luigi Mangione fanboys and fangirls showing up advocating for the assassination?

02:34:54.000 I wouldn't say that that is exactly peaceful.

02:34:59.000 5050.1, that is their website.

02:35:02.000 You can scroll up so that people can see the URL. 5050.1, it takes you to this page, 5051. About events, join us.

02:35:12.000 50 protests, 50 states, one movement.

02:35:15.000 Join us in the fight to uphold the Constitution and end executive overreach.

02:35:21.000 And they're on Reddit.

02:35:22.000 Clearly you can see here that this is the same group because they lead with the Reddit, the 5051 subreddit.

02:35:28.000 So it's a very organized movement.

02:35:30.000 It's not just like a bunch of anarchists or leftists or resistors on Reddit posting in some thread.

02:35:37.000 They have an Instagram page that has 75,000 followers.

02:35:44.000 50-51 movement.

02:35:47.000 They have a Reddit sub-thread.

02:35:48.000 They have, I believe that's Blue Sky.

02:35:52.000 They have a Blue Sky profile that has 59,000 followers.

02:36:00.000 And you can see too, like from their posts, if you go back to their Blue Sky account, they're pretty radical.

02:36:06.000 So we are continuing from this moment to the next step.

02:36:10.000 The establishment is not the answer.

02:36:11.000 You can scroll down.

02:36:16.000 Scroll down.

02:36:19.000 See, that's the massive anti-Trump-Musk protest in Manhattan for President's Day.

02:36:24.000 That's the one that Dick Durbin's daughter attended.

02:36:27.000 This is very, very coordinated.

02:36:30.000 You can see here they have Marxist imagery here.

02:36:34.000 They have volunteers available.

02:36:39.000 They clearly have a digital media team.

02:36:42.000 They have money behind them.

02:36:44.000 It's not just a bunch of angry resistors.

02:36:46.000 Let's go back to their website.

02:36:48.000 They have a Facebook page.

02:36:54.000 They're collecting data, so they're gathering email lists.

02:36:57.000 They're gathering phone numbers so that they can organize.

02:37:00.000 This is not just a regular movement where you have a bunch of disorganized activists online.

02:37:07.000 This is a very organized movement.

02:37:09.000 Exit out of that so we can see what their Facebook page says.

02:37:13.000 Scroll down.

02:37:15.000 How many followers does their Facebook have?

02:37:20.000 15,000 followers.

02:37:21.000 So not as many as their other platforms, but still, it's getting there.

02:37:25.000 Four hours ago, since today is a day of rest for organizers and those who marched, I want to remind everyone that self-care is an act of revolution.

02:37:34.000 So these are Marxists.

02:37:35.000 They are actively calling for a revolution, a Marxist revolution here in America.

02:37:42.000 Take care of yourself.

02:37:44.000 Take care of your family.

02:37:45.000 Rest so that you're ready for the next big thing.

02:37:48.000 Burnout is real.

02:37:49.000 You can't keep going if you're not taking care of yourself.

02:37:52.000 Open that up again.

02:37:53.000 Let's see what they're saying in the rest of their post.

02:37:56.000 Meanwhile, drop some more protest photos here and share your best self-care tips.

02:38:00.000 You can scroll down.

02:38:04.000 The protests yesterday were amazing and we're still processing things, but I want to remind you all of something very important.

02:38:10.000 These serve a second function besides just protests.

02:38:13.000 Get to know your neighbors, right?

02:38:14.000 So they're trying to encourage people to have a sense of community or family in these protests.

02:38:20.000 Let's go back to their website.

02:38:24.000 Scroll down a little bit.

02:38:25.000 You can see their actions.

02:38:28.000 5051 is a peaceful movement.

02:38:30.000 Violence of any kind will not be tolerated.

02:38:33.000 Obviously, they're lying because we see that they tolerate and they have open tolerance for Luigi Mangione fanboys and fangirls.

02:38:40.000 I mean, what does that mean?

02:38:43.000 Deny, defend, depose?

02:38:46.000 Pew, pew, pew!

02:38:47.000 That's what that means.

02:38:48.000 We know that.

02:38:49.000 So, again, lie number one detected.

02:38:53.000 You are not a peaceful movement, and violence of any kind is clearly tolerated.

02:39:01.000 You can see their description.

02:39:03.000 50-51 protests were a decentralized rapid response to the anti-democratic and illegal actions of the Trump administration and its plutocratic allies.

02:39:11.000 The idea 50 protests in 50 states on day one was born on the subreddit thread and spread rapidly on social media.

02:39:19.000 In just days, grassroots organizers without any budget, centralized structure, or official backing pulled off over 80 peaceful protests in 50 states.

02:39:29.000 Yeah, that's a lie too because they say that they don't have a budget and they say that they don't have any official backing.

02:39:35.000 Let's continue throughout the site.

02:39:41.000 The fight continues.

02:39:45.000 Okay, so they say they have no funding and they say that it's entirely grassroots.

02:39:50.000 Well, here are their partners.

02:39:52.000 Political revolution.

02:39:53.000 Let's click on political revolution.

02:39:59.000 What is political revolution?

02:40:02.000 Well, political revolution is a progressive hack.

02:40:06.000 Political revolution advances politics in America through progressive grassroots activism.

02:40:11.000 Our political action committee, if they have no funding, why are they partnered with a funding source?

02:40:15.000 A political action committee is a vehicle for funding.

02:40:18.000 Our political action committee is dedicated to electing progressive candidates and also supporting issues focused On efforts to transform our government so it represents all of our citizens, not just the wealthy few.

02:40:33.000 How do you donate to the Political Revolution PAC, you may ask?

02:40:37.000 Well, they have an ActBlue account.

02:40:41.000 Let's go ahead and pull this link up.

02:40:45.000 ActBlue, the official fundraising platform for...

02:40:50.000 The Democrat Party.

02:40:52.000 So again, lie number two detected.

02:40:55.000 They said that they're a peaceful movement.

02:40:57.000 Er, not true.

02:40:59.000 They say that they have no funding.

02:41:00.000 Er, not true.

02:41:01.000 I mean, how many lies are we going to find from the 50-51 movement? 0.81

02:41:06.000 Already, just from their homepage, we've detected two lies.

02:41:09.000 You're not peaceful and you clearly have funding.

02:41:13.000 Also, you're not grassroots.

02:41:15.000 So that's three lies.

02:41:16.000 Because if you're truly grassroots, you're not going to have funding from the Democrat Party.

02:41:21.000 I don't receive funding from the Republican Party, and I'm a grassroots independent journalist, and I'm a grassroots activist.

02:41:27.000 And so do I get funding from the official WinRed account?

02:41:30.000 No.

02:41:31.000 You don't see me getting funding from WinRed.

02:41:33.000 So again, three lies thus far.

02:41:36.000 Political revolution.

02:41:37.000 Got 27 for the political revolution.

02:41:39.000 They're actually using the Democrat Party platform through ActBlue to push for revolution.

02:41:45.000 So, again, these people want to accuse us of being insurrectionists.

02:41:48.000 They say that Donald Trump is an insurrectionist.

02:41:50.000 They are actually citing Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, the insurrection clause, as the justification for their movement while advocating for their own insurrection.

02:42:03.000 So, again... 0.99

02:42:05.000 That's four lies detected because clearly they don't give a shit. 1.00

02:42:09.000 They don't give a shit about insurrection. 0.99

02:42:11.000 They don't give a shit about Section 3 of the 14th Amendment because, well, they're calling for their own insurrection here of the United States Constitution. 0.99

02:42:19.000 Our expenses are mostly software and communications costs, currently under $200 per month. 0.94

02:42:25.000 Choose an amount you can scroll down.

02:42:27.000 Your contribution will benefit.

02:42:29.000 Alrighty, and what does it say right there?

02:42:31.000 Your ActBlue Express account.

02:42:34.000 You can scroll down to the disclaimer.

02:42:37.000 Keep on going.

02:42:39.000 Paid for by ActBlue.com.

02:42:43.000 That's the Democrat Party. 0.54

02:42:44.000 Go to ActBlue.com just so people can see.

02:42:47.000 I mean, I know a lot of you are intelligent watching this and you understand this, but for people who may be like, you know, just tuning in, you don't know.

02:42:57.000 Powering Democrat candidates and progressive causes across the country.

02:43:02.000 Go to Google and type in ActBlue.

02:43:04.000 Let's look at what they say about them on their Wikipedia page.

02:43:08.000 They love to say the Democrats aren't supporting these violent protests.

02:43:12.000 The Democrats aren't the ones behind people showing up in Luigi Mangione costumes calling for the assassination of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

02:43:20.000 Yes, they are actually, and they are funding it through their official fundraising.

02:43:27.000 ActBlue is an American Democrat Party political action committee and a fundraising platform founded in 2004. It is a major part of the Democrat Party's fundraising infrastructure.

02:43:39.000 You can scroll down.

02:43:46.000 It's focused on raising small-dollar donors, And as of June 2024, has helped raise $13.7 billion for Democrat candidates and causes since it was established.

02:43:57.000 So clearly this organization put on this protest.

02:44:03.000 They partnered with Political Revolution, the PAC, which is accepting contributions, through ActBlue.

02:44:11.000 So in other words, the Democrat Party's fundraising platform is helping finance Violent political protests where they are calling for the officials of Doge, which includes President Trump, Elon Musk, and Elon's minions, to be woodchipped.

02:44:31.000 And they are also calling for the assassination of Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

02:44:40.000 By advocating for them to be Luigi Mangione, which is another way, another euphemism of saying you want somebody to be assassinated.

02:44:48.000 I already explained to you how this is not a reach and what the meaning of that sign, deny, defend, oppose means.

02:44:56.000 It is an open call for an assassination at point blank of a CEO. Let's go back.

02:45:07.000 Political revolution, as we went through, is a group of volunteers that grew out of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

02:45:13.000 So we now have a direct point of contact to an elected official, a Democrat senator who has been involved in the confirmation hearings for President Trump's nominees.

02:45:27.000 You clearly see that it says on their website, political revolution is a group of volunteers that grew out of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

02:45:36.000 We are an organization focused on digital campaigning and connecting progressives across the nation.

02:45:43.000 Our goal is to support progressive candidates and ballot initiatives on a state-by-state basis and to amplify the message of other like-minded organizations and campaigns.

02:45:56.000 Here you go.

02:46:04.000 You can see here.

02:46:05.000 The political revolution is a group of volunteers that grew out of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

02:46:12.000 So what have we uncovered, you guys, just through some basic political research?

02:46:17.000 They're not a grassroots organization.

02:46:19.000 They are funded by the Democrat Party.

02:46:22.000 The Democrat Party is helping them.

02:46:23.000 They are receiving funding through a radical, progressive, pro-Marxist revolutionary PAC. And the organizers of this PAC... Grew out of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

02:46:36.000 What have we seen?

02:46:37.000 We have seen Bernie Sanders openly speak out at these protests against President Trump and Elon Musk.

02:46:43.000 And now we know that Bernie Sanders has a direct tie to Project 5051, where they're inciting violence.

02:46:54.000 You can scroll down.

02:46:56.000 They say that they support local progressive political candidates, congressional candidates.

02:47:01.000 Progressive incumbents.

02:47:02.000 Well, who's a progressive incumbent?

02:47:04.000 Bernie Sanders, right?

02:47:07.000 We engage the community around those candidates and issues and raise awareness for voters across the nation with a targeted social media platform and messaging and by working with other activist groups.

02:47:18.000 Alrighty, who is behind the political revolution pack?

02:47:21.000 Well, clearly Bernie Sanders officials.

02:47:24.000 Together with our partners, Political Revolution, Voices of Florida.

02:47:28.000 So these are other partners too, right?

02:47:32.000 Political Revolution, Voices of Florida, No Voices Unheard, Build the Resistance.

02:47:40.000 Those are all the partners of Project 5051. You can see here from the screen.

02:47:49.000 We are ready to hold the line.

02:47:52.000 Community is our resistance.

02:47:54.000 Woo! 0.99

02:47:57.000 Resistance 2.0.

02:47:59.000 So Resistance 1.0 was Antifa and Black Lives Matter. 0.54

02:48:02.000 Now it's like a new umbrella, right?

02:48:06.000 Obviously, the Women's March got exposed for being a bunch of Jew-haters who were tied to Louis Farrakhan and Muslim Brotherhood offshoots, right? 0.56

02:48:13.000 So they had to rebrand.

02:48:14.000 That's why they're like, oh, the Women's March is in solidarity with 5051, even though I'm sure that a lot of the participants at 5051 are Women's March organizers.

02:48:24.000 Like, I guarantee you that if we were to lift the hood, we would find that out.

02:48:32.000 The screenshot here says that they're ready to hold the line, and the press contact is listed as Sarah P., whose email address is publicly listed on the website as press at 5050.1.

02:48:46.000 And then another woman whose name is listed there is Glow S., Glow S., press at paul-rev.com.

02:48:56.000 So you can see from...

02:49:03.000 You can scroll up.

02:49:07.000 President's Day, Not My President's Day, No Kings in America press release, February 16th, the day before President's Day, by GLOW. You see how it says GLOW? GLOW at the top.

02:49:20.000 Scroll down.

02:49:20.000 Press contact Sarah P. Press at 5050.1.

02:49:30.000 Glow S.

02:49:31.000 So why are they trying to hide their names?

02:49:34.000 well maybe they don't want you guys to know their real identities right it's too bad because we have them So who is Glow S? You know, it's like very cryptic.

02:49:55.000 Glow.

02:49:56.000 Hi!

02:49:56.000 It's like the progressive woman.

02:49:58.000 Hi, I'm Flo.

02:49:59.000 In this case, hi, I'm Glow.

02:50:02.000 Welcome to my progressive rally.

02:50:05.000 Revolution.

02:50:06.000 Resist.

02:50:06.000 Who is Glow?

02:50:09.000 Well, it doesn't take much.

02:50:11.000 You mean like you put two and two together?

02:50:12.000 Glow, 50-51, Bernie Sanders, right?

02:50:17.000 You'd like put all these pieces together.

02:50:19.000 Well, there's a woman by the name of Glorianne Sahay.

02:50:25.000 Who is actually on the political revolution, their PAC, their political revolution PAC FEC report.

02:50:32.000 So we have the FEC report too.

02:50:34.000 We can get that pulled up.

02:50:36.000 But when you type in Gloria Ann Sahay from this FEC record and you type it into Google, the first thing that pops up is a LinkedIn page for a woman by the name of Gloria Ann Sahay who happens to live in Colorado and she works at A company called Trimble Inc.

02:50:55.000 We have a video as well.

02:51:05.000 Let's scroll down so we can show you her LinkedIn page and you can see how we figured out who Glow is. 0.97

02:51:16.000 We have a screen recording because we're not logged in on my computer here in my studio into the personal LinkedIn account because obviously, you know, that would reveal personal information and we have accounts that we use for research.

02:51:29.000 We did a screen recording that we could show you without logging into our own personal account.

02:51:33.000 That way you can't see who else we're investigating because that's proprietary information.

02:51:39.000 Wink, wink.

02:51:39.000 But here is the screen recording that we have of her LinkedIn page.

02:51:46.000 Okay, so let's go through this.

02:52:02.000 Like, just keep the video up on the screen.

02:52:04.000 Glorian Sahay, we'll pause it, too, at the top.

02:52:07.000 Let's pause it at the top of the video.

02:52:09.000 So, cloud operations manager at Trimble and president of WOM Engineers, a nonprofit.

02:52:16.000 WOM Engineers.

02:52:17.000 So, it's like woman. 0.99

02:52:18.000 You understand?

02:52:19.000 Like, woman. 1.00

02:52:20.000 Like, because they always have to put their identity first.

02:52:23.000 It's like, WOM-N. You get it? 1.00

02:52:27.000 Like...

02:52:27.000 Engineers, like E-N, women, engineers.

02:52:30.000 So, women, engineers, you have to put women in there. 1.00

02:52:34.000 You see how woke these people are?

02:52:36.000 So, she's the president of Women Engineers, a nonprofit focused on women in technology, because that's really worked out so well.

02:52:44.000 She lives in Colorado.

02:52:47.000 Scroll down, or actually just play the rest of the video.

02:52:52.000 Restart it from the top.

02:52:54.000 Okay, so pause right there.

02:52:56.000 Volunteer experience.

02:52:57.000 Bernie Sanders 2016. So from October 2015 to the end of 2016, she was a volunteer on Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign.

02:53:08.000 And they clearly said that this organization was founded by Political Revolution as a group of volunteers that grew out of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

02:53:21.000 So that's her.

02:53:23.000 That's GLOW. That's GLOW. That's how we figure this out.

02:53:26.000 So GLOW is a Bernie Sanders volunteer who is now the president of this very women-centered technology company. 0.62

02:53:36.000 And now she's the press contact on the 5051 movement.

02:53:41.000 So these are Bernie Sanders staffers.

02:53:43.000 Bernie Sanders staffers and Bernie Sanders volunteers.

02:53:47.000 Are behind the 5051 movement where people are glorifying and celebrating Luigi Mangione.

02:53:54.000 Now let's go to the FEC reports right here.

02:53:57.000 You can see lots of contributions from 2024. Glorion Sahay, Trimble, her employer.

02:54:08.000 So that's her.

02:54:09.000 Let's be careful.

02:54:11.000 Arvada, Colorado, clearly the same location where it says that she works and her company's founded.

02:54:16.000 Go back to the FEC record again.

02:54:19.000 Click open the name.

02:54:23.000 So she's donating money to this group.

02:54:31.000 Donating money.

02:54:33.000 But she also works for.

02:54:35.000 So she's donating money to this group, but she's also working for this group.

02:54:41.000 So I don't know.

02:54:43.000 I don't really get how this works.

02:54:46.000 You know, that is her. 0.79

02:54:47.000 So they say that they're not funded, but they're clearly funded.

02:54:54.000 I just showed you the FEC records.

02:54:57.000 If you don't have funding, why is there a paper trail through the FEC record and your own staff members who are putting out your press releases?

02:55:05.000 Again, let's go back to show people that Glow's name is on the official press here, the press form.

02:55:10.000 How are you a grassroots movement without a budget when I literally just showed you that Glow is using like an abbreviation of her real name, Laurieann Sahay.

02:55:26.000 So that she can hide the fact that they're lying to you and telling you that these people do not get funding when her name is on the FEC record for the partner organization, Political Revolution, which is getting donations from ActBlue.

02:55:45.000 They're liars.

02:55:46.000 They're clearly funded. 0.97

02:55:47.000 So here's another video as well we have.

02:55:52.000 Well, it's a photograph.

02:55:56.000 It's taking a minute to load.

02:55:58.000 We're gonna get this loaded up.

02:56:01.000 But it's just to show you that she goes by the name Glow.

02:56:04.000 So Glorianne goes by the name Glow.

02:56:06.000 This is from a screenshot of her WOM engineer site.

02:56:14.000 We'll pull this image up and you can see we got some photos of her loading it right now.

02:56:20.000 Here we go!

02:56:24.000 Tori and Glow.

02:56:25.000 There you go.

02:56:26.000 That's Glow.

02:56:29.000 Let's scroll up a bit.

02:56:30.000 My mic is blocking her face.

02:56:32.000 We want to see her beautiful mug.

02:56:34.000 There's Gloria Ann Sahay.

02:56:36.000 It clearly says WOM Engineer, and I showed you on the report and on her LinkedIn page how she is the president of WOM Engineer.

02:56:49.000 Let's go back to her LinkedIn page so that you can see again.

02:56:52.000 Pause it or scroll down.

02:56:59.000 It says WOM engineers right there. 0.82

02:57:02.000 WOM engineers. 0.99

02:57:04.000 Go back to the screenshot.

02:57:06.000 Lauriane Sahay.

02:57:07.000 And she goes by Glow.

02:57:08.000 Let's move this up a bit so people can see.

02:57:11.000 Okay.

02:57:12.000 Any questions?

02:57:14.000 Right?

02:57:14.000 Any questions?

02:57:15.000 It's kind of like not even up for discussion.

02:57:18.000 This is who she is.

02:57:20.000 So this organization is lying.

02:57:23.000 They're saying that they're not getting funding.

02:57:24.000 They're funded by the Democrat Party, and they are directly affiliated by organizers for Bernie Sanders' campaigns, which is why Bernie Sanders has been showing up.

02:57:35.000 Here's another photo of Glorian that we found.

02:57:39.000 Glorian Sahay on LinkedIn, her Pride, Pride Month, hashtag non-binary, hashtag hetero-representing, hashtag Sunday Funday.

02:57:52.000 Authentic.

02:57:53.000 Wearing her Trimble LGBTQ Network shirt.

02:57:56.000 So there's GLOW. Glorian Shehey.

02:57:59.000 The same woman that went by GLOW. The same photo over here that says Glorian Shehey.

02:58:04.000 So in case there was any doubt that they're lying about not having a budget.

02:58:09.000 Oh, we're just a bunch of broke activists.

02:58:12.000 You know, we're just paying for all this social media and digital marketing and, you know, we're getting press hits and we have signs and we have all these press releases going out.

02:58:23.000 But don't worry, we're not receiving any money from anybody.

02:58:27.000 We don't have any money.

02:58:29.000 We're just a bunch of poor women. 1.00

02:58:31.000 Give me a break.

02:58:34.000 All right, here's another partner.

02:58:39.000 Let's go back.

02:58:40.000 Let's go back to the website so that you can see their partner page again.

02:58:44.000 So Voices of Florida.

02:58:46.000 So we can show you like the Black Lives Matter radical elements here. 0.56

02:58:52.000 So Voices of Florida.

02:58:56.000 You can scroll.

02:58:57.000 Go back to their homepage.

02:58:59.000 A Florida-based 501c4 nonprofit formerly known as Women's Voices of Southwest Florida.

02:59:06.000 Dedicated to defending reproductive freedoms and human rights and empowering our communities through education, outreach, and direct action.

02:59:14.000 We have a unified message in response to harmful policy that threatens the well-beings of Florida.

02:59:20.000 But don't tread on us.

02:59:21.000 Okay, so go back up.

02:59:27.000 team.

02:59:27.000 Sarah Parker, whose name is the name of the team.

02:59:35.000 Sarah Parker, whose name is the Is on the press contact.

02:59:36.000 You can see they're not using their real names because they don't want you to find out their funding sources and the fact that they are tied to well-funded, well-organized movements and organizations.

02:59:47.000 So Sarah P is... 0.55

02:59:49.000 Let's find out who Sarah P is.

02:59:53.000 Sarah Parker!

02:59:54.000 Whose pronouns are she, her.

02:59:57.000 She's the president and executive director of Voices of Florida.

03:00:02.000 Then you have...

03:00:04.000 Si Smith, who goes by they them.

03:00:09.000 Which is a shame because she's actually kind of pretty, but I don't even know if it's a she because it goes by they them. 1.00

03:00:14.000 Could be a chick with a dick. 1.00

03:00:15.000 I have no idea. 1.00

03:00:17.000 That's what's crazy.

03:00:18.000 It's like I want to give compliments, but I also don't want it to be like, that's a man, baby.

03:00:22.000 You know, like, have you ever seen that movie, Austin Powers?

03:00:26.000 That's not a woman. 1.00

03:00:27.000 That's a man, baby.

03:00:30.000 It's like she's actually pretty. 0.95

03:00:31.000 But it could be a man with really good plastic surgery.

03:00:37.000 Corey Bleakley, they, them, organizing director.

03:00:44.000 Helen Black, she, her, executive assistant.

03:00:50.000 Seneca Bristol, she, her.

03:00:53.000 Lola Smith, they, them.

03:01:00.000 Aaron Clark, he, him.

03:01:02.000 Bryce Heckmeyer, they, them.

03:01:04.000 I mean, it's just like a clown show of just like, you know.

03:01:08.000 Look at this one with the rainbow hair. 1.00

03:01:10.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:01:11.000 Mandy Langford, they, she. 1.00

03:01:13.000 I don't know what a they, she is. 1.00

03:01:15.000 Like, how are you a they, she?

03:01:18.000 What is a they, she? 1.00

03:01:23.000 I don't know what a they, she is. 1.00

03:01:24.000 Looks like a clown. 0.99

03:01:28.000 Anyway.

03:01:29.000 This is Sarah P. So you can click on Sarah.

03:01:36.000 There's Sarah.

03:01:38.000 So let's look at who Sarah Parker is.

03:01:40.000 And you guys, we are live right now, so please be sure that you share all of this research with everybody else.

03:01:45.000 Click on the live link and just reshare it if you're watching live right now on Loomer Unleashed or on the X account.

03:01:52.000 You can repost the live link because we're exposing these people in real time because these are the people who are behind all these protests right now across the country.

03:02:00.000 I think that people have a right to know.

03:02:02.000 They have a right to see all the crazies behind these movements.

03:02:06.000 Okay, so Sarah P., we showed you her name is on the press release for 5051. We just showed you that Sarah is the executive director of the Florida Voices Group.

03:02:24.000 Women's Voices of Southwest Florida.

03:02:26.000 Let's click on her LinkedIn page. Scroll down. Let's click on her.

03:02:38.000 Thank you.

03:02:42.000 So President, Women's Voices of South Florida. 0.56

03:02:47.000 Scroll down.

03:02:51.000 Alright, let's go back.

03:02:53.000 To her other affiliation.

03:02:57.000 Oh, what's this?

03:02:58.000 Well, Sarah Parker is tied to the Democrat Party.

03:03:01.000 We have another Democrat Party tie.

03:03:04.000 They say that they're not affiliated with the Democrats.

03:03:06.000 They say that they have no funding.

03:03:08.000 But what is this?

03:03:10.000 Sarah Parker has an official page on the Sarasota Democrat Party of Florida's page.

03:03:16.000 Ooh, look at this.

03:03:17.000 Let's take a screenshot of this live so that when they try to delete this or they try to say that they don't have ties to the Democrat Party, we can put these receipts back in their face.

03:03:28.000 Sarah Parker, elected to a four-year term as a state committee woman in December 2024. Let's look at Sarah's bio. 0.92

03:03:37.000 Sarah Parker is a passionate advocate for reproductive freedom and social justice in Florida, serving as the executive director and president of Voices for Florida.

03:03:48.000 She co-founded the organization in 2021 to oppose a proposed six-week abortion ban in Manatee County.

03:03:56.000 You can thank Ron DeSantis for that genius idea that was even opposed by President Trump.

03:04:03.000 Leading a successful fight alongside other activists, Voices of Florida, under her leadership, champions reproductive healthcare, equality, and human rights driven by Black and queer individuals.

03:04:15.000 Parker, a proud black mother and longtime Sarasota resident, has been involved in grassroots activism since the Occupy movement.

03:04:22.000 She co-founded Occupy Florida, later known as Occupy Tally, in response to Florida's 2023 abortion ban.

03:04:29.000 As part of the Floridians Protecting Freedom Coalition, she played a key role in the successful Yes on 4 campaign, ensuring that Floridians...

03:04:38.000 Ensuring that Floridians...

03:04:41.000 Let's go back over to...

03:04:44.000 Could vote to protect abortion rights.

03:04:46.000 Parker's unwavering commitment continues to inspire others in the fight for justice and reproductive freedom.

03:04:52.000 So, scroll over.

03:04:55.000 Click on Donate Today.

03:05:00.000 Scroll down.

03:05:03.000 Act Blue.

03:05:06.000 So again, this partner with this organization whose name is fully being hidden From the public, because they're shortening their names and they're not using their real last names on the organization of these protests, is a Democrat Party official in the state of Florida, in Sarasota.

03:05:26.000 She is tied to Act Blue because the Democrat Party group that she's affiliated with in Sarasota, the official Sarasota County Democrat Party, where she's a state committee woman and has been since...

03:05:41.000 She was elected to a four-year term in December of 2024. They're accepting donations on ActBlue.

03:05:50.000 So again, how are these people not funded?

03:05:53.000 If you go back to the 5051 website, they say that they're not funded.

03:05:58.000 That is a blatant lie.

03:06:02.000 In just days, grassroots organizers, without any budget, centralized structure, or official backing, they have official backing through several progressive organizations, through the Bernie Sanders campaign, and through ActBlue, the official Democrat Party fundraising platform.

03:06:18.000 So, I don't see how people can say, oh, we have no idea who's propping up these protests that are protesting the defunding of USAID. We know who's doing it.

03:06:31.000 It's the Democrat Party.

03:06:33.000 I just showed you it's the Democrat Party.

03:06:34.000 It's the Democrat Party through their proxy, Sarah Parker, and also through their proxy, what's her face?

03:06:42.000 Glorian Sahay, who goes by GLOW. These are Bernie Sanders operatives, and these are individuals who are on FEC reports for political revolution and are accepting funds through ActBlue, the Democrat Party's official fundraising platform site.

03:07:03.000 Let's see, there's about 59,000 members who, well, they say they have the Reddit page.

03:07:10.000 59,000 members have joined the group.

03:07:14.000 There's a Discord server as well that's linked to the movement, but people have to be invited to join the server.

03:07:24.000 One of the moderators of the subreddit is an individual who goes by you slash honeydulemon.

03:07:33.000 I'll pull this up too.

03:07:35.000 So this is one of the Reddit subusers.

03:07:48.000 You slash Honeydew Lemon said via an email that the original idea came from another moderator, the Reddit user you slash evolved underscore fungi.

03:08:00.000 Evolved Fungi's original post was deleted, but screenshots below provided by Honeydew Lemon show Evolved Fungi discussing the idea of 50 protests across 50 states.

03:08:10.000 The deleted post states that the goal was to give people a simple instruction set to increase participation exponentially.

03:08:17.000 And they're definitely being astroturfed.

03:08:28.000 Like, they say that they're an organic movement, but they're definitely being funded, and they're definitely being propped up by ActBlue and Bernie Sanders, and they're being propped up by all of these progressive groups that I just showed you.

03:08:41.000 Here's an interesting tweet, too.

03:08:43.000 Let's scroll up a little bit.

03:08:46.000 Totally not astroturf.

03:08:48.000 The 5051 subreddit made 125. Buildtheresistance.org registered 1-29-2025.

03:08:56.000 Google Trends starts picking up 50-51 on 2-1.

03:09:00.000 Build the Resistance webpage has 50-51 references as of 2-4 by the web archive and who knows how long before.

03:09:08.000 You can clearly see this from the graphics there, okay?

03:09:11.000 The search term.

03:09:13.000 Substantial peak.

03:09:14.000 That's not organic.

03:09:16.000 Okay, let's go back over to, let's exit out of it.

03:09:20.000 If you scroll up a little bit so people can see those other screenshots.

03:09:24.000 Here you go.

03:09:26.000 We the people.

03:09:28.000 Domain name, build the resistance.

03:09:32.000 You can see it was literally like just created the beginning of January.

03:09:37.000 On February...

03:09:47.000 On February 4th, it just happens to get picked up and allied with a PAC. Yeah, 100% organic.

03:09:53.000 Nothing to see here.

03:09:54.000 So, again, they like to say that they're organic and that they have no funding and they have no structure.

03:10:01.000 I mean, it literally says on their official website that they don't have any official structure support.

03:10:07.000 But then they have a partnership announcement.

03:10:10.000 Here you go.

03:10:11.000 And some of these posts have been...

03:10:16.000 Deleted, from my understanding.

03:10:18.000 But 50-51 partnership announcement, here we go, on the subreddit.

03:10:23.000 Amazing news!

03:10:24.000 We've heard your concerns about the legitimacy of the 50-51 movement.

03:10:29.000 Up to this point, we've been entirely grassroots organized, and we've done the best we can to provide some structure and address concerns.

03:10:36.000 We've partnered with Political Revolutions.

03:10:38.000 We've been speaking with their lead organizers, and they've graciously offered us their support and access to their event organization.

03:10:45.000 Well, obviously, like, this is not organic.

03:10:47.000 This is the reason why the women who are putting out the press releases on the press releases for 5051 are using abbreviated versions of their name. 0.97

03:11:02.000 Because if you did, if they had their real names on there, then you would clearly be able to see that they have had longstanding donations and financial ties to political revolution, the PAC that date back to last year, according to these FEC records we pulled.

03:11:16.000 And they're tied to the Bernie Sanders campaign, which shows that they have structure.

03:11:21.000 So it's just...

03:11:23.000 Like, it's all fake.

03:11:24.000 It's all like, oh, wow, this is so great.

03:11:25.000 It's amazing.

03:11:26.000 Wow, we're making such great progress.

03:11:28.000 Look at us.

03:11:29.000 Look at us.

03:11:30.000 When in reality, all of this is just completely staged and fake.

03:11:34.000 Political Revolution is a subreddit community that has a sidearm pack and all-led, all-volunteer-led organization.

03:11:41.000 They have an event platform.

03:11:43.000 Well, you're not really volunteer-led if you're accepting money from ActBlue because somebody's getting that money.

03:11:48.000 Like, somebody somewhere is getting paid.

03:11:52.000 They have an events platform where they can organize and mobilize to ensure that we can get a ground game going.

03:11:59.000 We were founded in 2016 by a group of Bernie Sanders volunteers.

03:12:03.000 We strive to garner results with down-ballot candidates and elect progressives to office.

03:12:09.000 So again, it's not an organic political movement.

03:12:12.000 This is planned.

03:12:14.000 Wanted to have a very violent, radical movement that they could say was not affiliated with the Democrat Party so that they could have psychos out there advocating for Luigi Mangione fanboys to assassinate Elon Musk and President Trump.

03:12:29.000 Oh, we're not tied to the Democrats?

03:12:31.000 Don't blame us!

03:12:31.000 This isn't the Democrat Party!

03:12:33.000 I literally just showed you how it's the Democrat Party.

03:12:36.000 So the Democrat Party is advocating for the assassination of Elon Musk and President Trump.

03:12:44.000 Let's see, what else do we have here?

03:12:45.000 There's more information on this thread, too.

03:12:55.000 You can go on X and you can check it out yourself.

03:12:58.000 We've been live now for almost three hours, so I definitely want to take your questions.

03:13:03.000 If you have questions and comments, put them in the chat.

03:13:07.000 But here we go.

03:13:08.000 This is from...

03:13:12.000 The same thread.

03:13:18.000 It's about the mod from the subreddit.

03:13:26.000 You can see they stopped posting for almost two years and then they created another account.

03:13:31.000 It says, how can I help Q&A? How can I help organize?

03:13:37.000 Get one, two, three friends, share the idea, make a plan, show up.

03:13:41.000 What is the idea?

03:13:42.000 50-51 protests, 50 states, 50 protests, one day at your state capitol.

03:13:47.000 Who's in charge?

03:13:47.000 You are.

03:13:48.000 It's a decentralized idea that is self-replicating.

03:13:51.000 Spread it and it spreads itself.

03:13:53.000 Got a friend who loves to organize?

03:13:55.000 Give them the title of founder.

03:13:56.000 Want to call your local TV stations?

03:13:58.000 Tell them it's your idea and it's spreading nationally.

03:14:00.000 Well, it's not their idea and it's not organic because I just showed you how it has structure behind it.

03:14:12.000 This idea has potential to bring thousands of people together for a common cause.

03:14:16.000 I mean, it's just kind of like really interesting when you see these receipts and it just makes you wonder, like, where's the mainstream media on this?

03:14:28.000 And how come the GOP isn't calling this out?

03:14:31.000 You have videos that clearly got the attention of Elon Musk.

03:14:34.000 I mean, we can pull up those tweets again.

03:14:37.000 You can see what he said.

03:14:38.000 He said that it's gone too far and that he was going to report these threats of violence to Ed Martin and that these were threats of assassination against President Trump.

03:14:48.000 Why is nobody investigating this?

03:14:50.000 It clearly ties back to Bernie Sanders.

03:14:52.000 It clearly has identifying factors for these women. 1.00

03:14:55.000 We've identified who they are.

03:14:56.000 Their names are Sarah Parker and Gloriana Sahay.

03:14:59.000 Why is there not mainstream media coverage of this and the fact that People who glorify and support Luigi Mangione are showing up to these protests that are lying and pretending that they're organic when they are literally being financially propped up by ActBlue.

03:15:18.000 Very, very disturbing, especially when you know that President Trump has faced multiple assassination threats by Democrats.

03:15:28.000 We know that...

03:15:29.000 We know that Ryan Routh, who was the second attempted assassin who tried to kill Trump at his golf club, was a Ukraine supporter and he had a Biden Harris bumper sticker on his car.

03:15:40.000 He was a supporter.

03:15:41.000 Advocating murder of a president is a serious crime and they have the gall to do so on President's Day.

03:15:52.000 you Letting Eagle Ed Martin know about this.

03:15:56.000 So some pretty shocking information here.

03:15:59.000 But again, let's take a couple more questions.

03:16:04.000 If you have any comments, we'll take two or three questions, comments, and then we'll wrap up.

03:16:11.000 There's not going to be a live show on Thursday, there is going to be a live stream, but it's not going to be a regular show because I'm waking up bright and early and I'm going to CPAC. So I will be at CPAC all week.

03:16:24.000 So if you're going to be there, I'll probably see you around.

03:16:27.000 I have some meetings I have to attend.

03:16:29.000 And of course, President Trump is expected to be speaking at CPAC. So I'll be there reporting live.

03:16:35.000 So be sure that you're following me on X and on Loomer Unleashed, at Laura Loomer and at Loomer Unleashed, so that you get all of my live updates.

03:16:44.000 And then there's also going to be some Democrat protests in D.C. at that time.

03:16:48.000 So Charles and I will be covering these Democrat events and reporting on the events happening throughout the week of CPAC, which is, you know, it's all week.

03:16:57.000 So it starts tomorrow and it ends on Saturday.

03:17:01.000 And I'll be there for the entire time.

03:17:05.000 There will be a live stream of CPAC activity and CPAC speeches on my Rumble page and on my X account on Thursday.

03:17:13.000 So that will be probably earlier throughout the day since the speeches are, it's going to be too late, obviously, to do live speeches in the evening because it's not going to be like regular scheduled programming for Loomer Unleashed.

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03:17:31.000 click the follow button and download the rumble app and you'll be sure that you always get notifications every single time i go live so that when i go live at cpac you can catch my stream someone said laura are you joining the fbi to work for cash I should.

03:17:52.000 I'm a pretty damn good investigator, right?

03:17:54.000 My team here at Loomer Unleashed is very good.

03:17:56.000 We're very good.

03:17:57.000 What do you think, Cannon?

03:17:59.000 Should we go work for the FBI? Should we apply?

03:18:01.000 Cannon says yes.

03:18:02.000 Let's go.

03:18:03.000 Why not?

03:18:03.000 We should apply.

03:18:08.000 Let's see.

03:18:12.000 Also, it's worth noting that USAID is basically ActBlue.

03:18:16.000 So, it's interesting how all these protests are popping up and ActBlue is directly tied to USAID. And the protests are supposed to be protesting the defunding of U.S. aid.

03:18:28.000 And people at these protests who have no affiliation with the Democrat Party, obviously a lie, just prove that, are advocating for the assassination of Doge officials.

03:18:38.000 It's the Democrat Party financing protests that are calling for the assassination.

03:18:42.000 So once again, they are inciting silence.

03:18:49.000 Let's scroll back up.

03:18:51.000 And political revolution goes back to 2016.

03:19:00.000 I'm not saying political revolution is new.

03:19:03.000 What I'm saying is that this movement, 50-51, they're saying it's new, but it's really just an offshoot of political revolution, which is a Bernie Sanders 2016 movement.

03:19:13.000 So this isn't really a new movement.

03:19:15.000 They're just rebranding it.

03:19:21.000 Let's see.

03:19:21.000 Let's see, scroll up.

03:19:22.000 They said it's Laura posting all of this on X.

03:19:31.000 Yeah, we're doing this new format now with the show where we're actually gonna start breaking a lot of these stories on the show as opposed to just posting everything on X because it also gives people more of a reason Not that you don't want to watch the show anyway.

03:19:45.000 I mean, the show's great, but I think it's really exciting to break these stories in real time and to teach you all how to do this investigative reporting so that you can do it yourself.

03:19:53.000 And we have 100,000 live viewers right now on...

03:19:57.000 On X and we also have live viewers on Rumble.

03:20:00.000 So it's very exciting content.

03:20:02.000 It's very engaging content.

03:20:03.000 And if you enjoy it, you should support it.

03:20:05.000 You should support my work by either subscribing to my X account or by clicking the follow button and the get lumered button here on Rumble so that you can subscribe for $7 a month on my locals page.

03:20:17.000 We'll take two more comments and questions and then I gotta go pack because...

03:20:22.000 I'm the worst packer ever, and I'm always up super late the night before I travel, and I'm going to be up all night because I have to find my winter outfit so that I can look professional, look comfy, look chic, but also not freeze my ass off since it's going to be snowing.

03:20:38.000 I live in Florida.

03:20:39.000 Now I have to go to the snow.

03:20:41.000 I don't know why.

03:20:43.000 I'm not looking forward to it.

03:20:44.000 I don't even like going to conferences, but, you know, like, you have to go every so often for work.

03:20:52.000 I'll suck it up.

03:20:56.000 Scroll down.

03:20:57.000 Let's see.

03:20:57.000 A couple more questions.

03:20:58.000 any more comments?

03:20:59.000 Yes, I will be posting all of this on X and we're going to be clipping throughout the week as well.

03:21:10.000 So be sure that you're following me on X at Laura Loomer and also Loomer Unleashed and we'll be posting a lot of these clips.

03:21:21.000 Alrighty, everybody.

03:21:22.000 Well, thanks so much for tuning in to another very exciting episode of Loomer Unleashed.

03:21:26.000 As I said, there is not going to be Loomer Unleashed on Thursday at 9pm Eastern because I'll be reporting live from CPAC, so be sure that you're putting on notifications on my X account and on my Rumble channel so that you get notifications when I go live.

03:21:42.000 And follow all my updates from Washington, D.C. and Maryland, where I'll be reporting on all of the activities taking place and all the protests.

03:21:51.000 I'm sure that there's probably going to be protests because there's always protests at CPAC every single year.

03:21:56.000 Never a dull moment, especially now that Trump is back in office.

03:21:59.000 I'm sure that it's going to be more exciting than it was the last four years for the last four CPAC conferences.

03:22:06.000 But with that, thank you so much for tuning in, and I will see you next Tuesday for another live episode of Loomer Unleashed.

03:22:13.000 Have a great weekend, and I'll see you next week.

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Loomer Unleashed - February 19, 2025

EP103: Dems Promote Violent Anti-Trump Protests Nationwide

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