Loomer Unleashed - EP11: Thanksgiving Turkey Trumpathon: J6 Political Prisoners Call-in and Tell Their Stories, Special Guest Jacob Chansley

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00:10:37.000 Good evening and welcome to Episode 11 of Lumer Unleashed.

00:10:40.000 I'm your host, Laura Lumer.

00:10:42.000 Tonight is a very special episode of Lumer Unleashed because it is our

00:10:47.000 Thanksgiving Turkey Trump-a-thon.

00:10:49.000 What is that, you may ask?

00:10:51.000 Well, it is a four-hour telethon for the January 6th political prisoners and January 6th defendants so that we can raise money for their legal defense funds because, as you probably have noticed, the only people who have been pardoned under Joe Biden's illegitimate regime here in America are two Turkeys, as of yesterday, and three Iranian terrorists. 0.66

00:11:13.000 As millions of Americans gather for Thanksgiving across the country this week with their friends and their family members, there will no doubt be many interesting conversations about the state of our country and our world.

00:11:23.000 While we live in troubling times, we still have much to be thankful for.

00:11:27.000 Even in the darkest of times, which may yet lurk around the corner, we must never forget that we are truly a blessed people.

00:11:34.000 But by that same token, there is much to be concerned about.

00:11:38.000 We are heading in the wrong direction as a country, and nobody can deny this.

00:11:42.000 Our economy is fundamentally broken, our infrastructure is crumbling and decaying, we are being invaded by illegal aliens and jihadists, and our social fabric is being torn apart more and more each and every day. 1.00

00:11:56.000 So as you sit down at the table surrounded by your family, do not despair, but also do not ignore the reality of our situation.

00:12:03.000 I am personally not a fan of the phrase, don't bring politics to the dinner table.

00:12:09.000 This Thanksgiving, I believe all patriotic Americans have a duty to force-feed their loved ones several servings of truth so that we can try to wake up as many people as possible about what our future is going to look like if we don't succeed in getting President Trump re-elected for a third time in 2024.

00:12:27.000 Living in the modern world, it is often easy to forget just how good we have it.

00:12:31.000 In general, we've been blessed with incredible abundance and security.

00:12:35.000 Think of all of the wonderful things that have elevated our quality of life infinitely higher above the lives of our ancestors.

00:12:42.000 We have reliable heating, electricity, running water, health care, and grocery stores filled to the brim with food.

00:12:50.000 We often take all of this for granted.

00:12:52.000 And while technology has brought about its own set of challenges, our ancestors would likely envy the technological conveniences we enjoy today.

00:13:02.000 We are also blessed to live in America, which, despite her many current issues, remains one of the greatest countries in the world.

00:13:09.000 At the risk of sounding cliche, there is something unique about this nation.

00:13:14.000 It has everything to do with the people who founded this place hundreds of years ago.

00:13:18.000 Through their tireless efforts, as well as the values and faith they brought along with them, they crafted a place that would eventually become the envy of the world.

00:13:27.000 They are to thank for the society which would ultimately produce the United States Constitution, win the world wars, and put men on the moon.

00:13:35.000 It was that founding stock that celebrated the original Thanksgiving, and we are all eternally in their debt.

00:13:41.000 Because a cursory glance around the rest of the world reveals a pretty grim picture.

00:13:46.000 Yes, other places might have democracy, a good living quality, and beautiful landscapes, but they each lack the American character which drives us forward.

00:13:55.000 We also should be thankful for being part of a movement that has proven extremely resilient in the face of truly oppressive opposition.

00:14:02.000 The MAGA and the America First wing of conservatism has seemingly weathered an incessant barrage of arrows.

00:14:09.000 Yet, in spite of this, it has now emerged more powerful than ever.

00:14:13.000 We are earnest people, true patriots,

00:14:17.000 Think of what this country's prospects would look like without us and our leader, Donald J. Trump.

00:14:24.000 What a blessing it is to have a person like Donald Trump who is willing to completely break the political mold and weather the storm to blaze a path forward for all of us.

00:14:33.000 Imagine what the GOP would look like without President Trump.

00:14:36.000 Aside from Vivek Ramaswamy, there is virtually nobody else in the GOP who consistently fights the establishment while also espousing the ideals of America First.

00:14:46.000 The fact that Trump broke into the political world and has remained a fixture in it despite every obstacle imaginable is a true miracle.

00:14:52.000 And this Thanksgiving, I'm very thankful for Donald Trump, and I'm extremely thankful for the MAGA movement, which I'm a part of.

00:15:01.000 But while you count your blessings, be mindful of the current plight that we are all in.

00:15:06.000 First and foremost, we are facing a possible electoral winter wherein the GOP will never be able to win a major national election ever again.

00:15:15.000 Along with voter fatigue caused by a lack of trust in our elections, this is being fueled by the combination of record low birth rates among the native population and an exponentially increasing flood of migrants across our disastrous and open southern border. 1.00

00:15:29.000 Thank you, Joe Biden.

00:15:32.000 We, as Trump supporters, are also facing serious political persecution in this country.

00:15:37.000 While we celebrate the holidays, hundreds of January 6th protesters and patriots, as I like to call them because they're patriots, are spending their Thanksgiving in jail.

00:15:46.000 And many of them are in solitary confinement simply because they support President Trump and they believe that our elections are rigged and stolen.

00:15:54.000 Thousands more are facing active censorship, debanking, and government harassment.

00:15:59.000 That is the reality of the DOJ and the other deep state agencies that are being used to club the life out of the MAGA movement.

00:16:07.000 It is a very grim and dark situation and it may get worse before it gets better.

00:16:13.000 Even worse though, the social fabric of our nation is being damaged more and more with each day that passes.

00:16:19.000 The tidal wave of illegal criminal alien invaders who are refusing to assimilate to our culture is permanently altering our society and not for the better. 1.00

00:16:30.000 We now have massive pockets of anti-American migrants spread throughout the country.

00:16:34.000 We have groups who are literally empowering and supporting Islamic terrorism in the streets of major American cities, on the campuses of American colleges and universities, and online through their candid support of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the oppressive and barbaric Iranian regime which is funding many of these terrorist activities around the world that we have seen over the last month and a half since the terrible and tragic attacks in Israel on October 7th.

00:17:00.000 We have entire neighborhoods and cities here in America that have been reduced by drugs, homelessness and migration, which has made these once great cities look something like out of a horror movie.

00:17:12.000 Communities across our nation are feeling this decline, and I would bet that you personally are, too.

00:17:18.000 I know I am.

00:17:19.000 You know, I often find myself saying there really isn't much to be thankful for these days in America.

00:17:25.000 I woke up this morning feeling a little

00:17:27.000 Dopey and mopey, you know, feeling sorry for myself and thinking, you know, the country's going to hell and I don't really feel so grateful this Thanksgiving.

00:17:38.000 I know I've said that many times, and while it might make me sound like an ingrate when we look around and we see even more severe suffering in other parts of the world, I know that my feelings are justified and that many of you have felt or are currently feeling the same way about our nation that is in decline.

00:17:54.000 Yet with all of that being said, as you sit down to enjoy a wonderful turkey dinner, look around the table.

00:17:59.000 There you will see a blessing that nobody can take away from you.

00:18:03.000 At least not yet.

00:18:04.000 And that's your family.

00:18:06.000 It is your family that will support you through the hardest times in your life.

00:18:09.000 It is the love of your family that drives you to achieve new heights.

00:18:13.000 It is family, along with God, that provides purpose in this often directionless world.

00:18:18.000 However, not everybody is blessed to have family, and not everybody has family that they're going to be with for the holidays.

00:18:24.000 And so, if you are feeling alone this Thanksgiving, and you don't have any family, you can know that you are never truly alone, because you are a part of an entire movement of people.

00:18:34.000 A movement that includes President Trump, and this movement consists of people who are fighting right alongside you for a better, brighter, and more free and prosperous America.

00:18:44.000 And that is something to truly be thankful for.

00:18:49.000 There is a young female journalist, conservative journalist, by the name of Laura Loomer.

00:18:58.000 If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes. 0.95

00:19:04.000 Chained herself to Twitter?

00:19:30.000 We're good.

00:19:56.000 So good evening, and thank you so much to everybody who is tuning in to this very special edition of Lumer Unleashed.

00:20:03.000 As I said before the monologue there, we are having a Thanksgiving Turkey Trump-a-thon, okay?

00:20:09.000 And so it's going to be a very long episode tonight.

00:20:12.000 If you can't stay for all of it, that's fine.

00:20:14.000 But I will be here until about 1230, probably one o'clock in the morning, if I'm being honest.

00:20:19.000 By the time it takes me to leave the studio and get everything packed up.

00:20:23.000 But I'm actually going to be having 18 January 6th defendants on tonight.

00:20:30.000 You know, some of them you have seen.

00:20:32.000 Some of them have risen to levels of notoriety, including my first guest of the evening, Jacob Chansley, who is also known as the QAnon Shaman.

00:20:42.000 He prefers the term America Shaman.

00:20:45.000 He's going to be calling in soon.

00:20:47.000 Uh, but we're going to hear from about 18 J six defendants this evening.

00:20:52.000 We're going to hear from John Pierce, an attorney who's representing, uh, you know, dozens of J sixers. 1.00

00:20:57.000 He's also the founder of the N. C. L. U. And there's a lot to talk about, right?

00:21:03.000 And

00:21:04.000 Yesterday, I was very disturbed when I saw Joe Biden participating in the annual turkey pardon.

00:21:10.000 And yes, you know, people will say, oh, come on, Laura, every single president does this, right?

00:21:14.000 President Trump did a turkey pardon as well.

00:21:16.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:21:17.000 But the difference between Joe Biden and President Trump and some of the other presidents we've had is that other presidents have actually pardoned people deserving of pardons.

00:21:27.000 And what is Joe Biden doing?

00:21:28.000 Well, if you look at the official presidential pardon website, and we'll be showing you that tonight.

00:21:34.000 We also, like I said, we have 18 people coming on tonight, J6ers, and so we're going to be mostly doing calls tonight and bouncing in between the chat. 1.00

00:21:44.000 But if you look at the presidential pardon list, you'll see that Joe Biden has only given three official pardons this year, and they were all done around September 14th, and they were for Iranian terrorists that were part of a prisoner exchange for Iran when Joe Biden

00:21:58.000 Unfroze six billion dollars that of course was sent to the Iranians and we now know that the Iranians use those funds to carry out the attacks on Israel by training and arming the Hamas and Hezbollah operatives who went into Israel on October 7th and slaughtered and killed 1,400 Jews, 33 of them being American citizens that we know of now.

00:22:20.000 They've taken many more hostages and of course that is the largest slaughtering of Jews since the time of the Holocaust and so 0.72

00:22:28.000 You know, you're not seeing any of these political prisoners get pardoned or released, and a lot of people have forgotten about them, because what did the Republicans do this week?

00:22:37.000 Oh, well, you know, Speaker Johnson said he's releasing the J6 tapes, and now all the Republicans are, you know, up in arms and they're saying things like, oh, the narrative has crumbled.

00:22:47.000 Well, the reality is, is that not all of the footage has been released yet, okay?

00:22:51.000 Speaker Johnson said that he was going to release the tapes and that they're going to put it on a public website, on the House website,

00:22:57.000 But so far, only about 23 gigs of footage have been released to the public.

00:23:02.000 And there's no audio.

00:23:03.000 It doesn't include body camera footage.

00:23:05.000 And so, you know, a lot of that body camera footage is going to show these discussions between these police officers in which they were letting people in.

00:23:12.000 And it's going to prove that these officers didn't really feel like their life was in danger like so many of them said, right?

00:23:17.000 What did Kamala Harris say?

00:23:18.000 Oh my God, January 6th is worse than 9-11 and Pearl Harbor combined.

00:23:23.000 That's what she said, right?

00:23:24.000 And yet you see so many of these people walking in and the police opening the doors for them. 0.99

00:23:30.000 And the thing that really pisses me off, I'll be honest, about Speaker Johnson and the Republicans is just their dishonesty and the way that they think that we're so stupid, okay? 0.97

00:23:37.000 And we're gonna talk to Jacob Chansley about this tonight, too, because Jacob Chansley actually served time in prison and he, you know, had his whole reputation destroyed and 0.96

00:23:47.000 You know, it was like demonized and plastered on every single media outlet around the world, and I would say really became the face of the J six movement because of the attire he was wearing that day. 1.00

00:23:58.000 Um, and just kind of like the sensational aspect of it, even though

00:24:04.000 Jacob himself is nonviolent, okay?

00:24:07.000 So, we're gonna have a lot to talk about tonight, but you'll see that a lot of the footage that they're talking about, like, oh, we need to have an investigation, this is stuff that was already released on people's personal body camera footage, their cell phone footage, their own cameras, there were journalists who went inside J6, okay?

00:24:23.000 Some of them were arrested.

00:24:24.000 You know, the left-wing reporters didn't go to jail, but if you were a conservative independent journalist and you went inside the Capitol, many of those people did go to jail.

00:24:33.000 So now you see Republicans who ignored this footage for three years say, oh, well, wow, this really shows that this isn't what happened and these people are innocent.

00:24:43.000 What I say to them is, how come you ignored all these J6ers and their lawyers that were trying to get you to come to the trials for so long, and you ignored all this footage that was already publicly available by J6 defendants on many sites that have been put together by independent journalists and J6 defendants and their family members? 1.00

00:25:01.000 With that, I know that a lot of people have a lot of really severe, passionate feelings about this.

00:25:07.000 I'm one of them.

00:25:09.000 I think J6 is what motivated me to run for Congress again in 2022 when I ran against Daniel Webster, who of course was the only Republican to skip the vote on the J6 committee.

00:25:20.000 And my next guest, who, you know, many of you know,

00:25:25.000 Maybe you've never heard him speak directly.

00:25:27.000 He's brilliant.

00:25:28.000 He has been dealing with this political persecution from the DOJ and now he's also running for Congress as well in Arizona's 8th Congressional District.

00:25:37.000 I want to welcome J6 Patriot Jacob Chansley.

00:25:42.000 So Jacob, thank you so much for joining me tonight for our Thanksgiving Turkey Trumpathon.

00:25:49.000 How are you?

00:25:51.000 Thank you for having me.

00:25:51.000 I'm great.

00:25:52.000 I'm so glad to be here.

00:25:54.000 How are you?

00:25:55.000 You know, I'm doing well.

00:25:57.000 There's, uh, you know, lots of talk about never ending news cycle, it seems, and, uh, I don't know.

00:25:57.000 Doing well.

00:26:03.000 I don't know how I should really feel about the release of these J six tapes this last week because I just find the announcement as you heard me, you know, ranting about to be quite disingenuous and dishonest.

00:26:15.000 We know that the J six committee from the very beginning was, uh, you know,

00:26:19.000 We're good to go.

00:26:38.000 And I mentioned Paul Gosar because he lives in Arizona where you live, and you're now running for Congress there.

00:26:42.000 And they literally tried to get certain members of Congress removed and said, we can't allow them to be on this committee because it's a threat to our national security.

00:26:52.000 But everybody knew that Jamie Raskin was corrupt. 0.53

00:26:55.000 Everybody knew that Liz Cheney was corrupt. 1.00

00:26:57.000 And so my question to you is, as a J6-er, probably the most famous J6-er in the entire world, aside from Ashley Babbitt, 1.00

00:27:07.000 What do you think about this?

00:27:09.000 What do you think about Speaker Johnson's claim that they're going to be releasing all 44,000 hours and the Republicans now acting like this is some brand new revelation?

00:27:20.000 Well, it's all political theater, and in all honesty, I'm not surprised.

00:27:26.000 The fact of the matter is these people want to create the appearance that they care about January Sixers.

00:27:31.000 They want to create the appearance that they care about the American people.

00:27:34.000 And that's part of why I've chosen to run for Congress.

00:27:37.000 But when it comes down to the amount of footage that has been released, it's very clear that it was done to garner some sort of support

00:27:46.000 For people like Speaker Johnson, without actually giving anything to the public that's worthy of substance.

00:27:54.000 Much of the video, yeah, it shows people what happened inside the building, but how many hours?

00:28:01.000 Is it like 90 hours or something like that of footage?

00:28:03.000 We're talking about 44,000 hours worth of footage here.

00:28:07.000 Why not just dump it all at once?

00:28:10.000 Yeah, and from my understanding, this $44,000 isn't going to include body cam footage, and I personally think that that is really an abomination, because if anything, it's going to exonerate J6ers like yourself and others who... And I of course want you to talk about how much time you spent in jail, and I want you to talk about the personal toll this has taken on you and your finances and your life, but... 1.00

00:28:36.000 If anything is going to exonerate a J6 defendant, it's going to be body cam footage that shows the police officers saying, yeah, man, hey, what's up? 1.00

00:28:43.000 Oh, I love your outfit, right?

00:28:45.000 Like you were telling me these police officers were talking about your outfit and fist bumping and literally opening doors for you.

00:28:52.000 I mean, everybody saw your footage on Tucker Carlson from the first video clip that he was able to show, right, when Republicans first lied.

00:29:00.000 They used you as part of this lie, which must feel pretty awful for you knowing that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Kevin McCarthy literally used your story to perpetuate their original lie that they released the tapes, because we know that they never released the tapes.

00:29:16.000 Tucker Carlson never had the tapes.

00:29:17.000 Fox News never had the tapes.

00:29:19.000 They just agreed, right, to kind of, like, subdue the American public to show footage of you walking there since you were probably the most sensational of all J6ers because of your gray outfit, right? 1.00

00:29:31.000 For those who don't remember, Jacob's the one that was in the horns and the face paint.

00:29:39.000 You know, was carrying, uh, Nancy Pelosi's, uh, speaker gavel around.

00:29:43.000 And it was very, it was very... No, no, no, I didn't hear that.

00:29:45.000 No, I didn't hear that.

00:29:46.000 The little, the little, uh, the box.

00:29:47.000 I was in the vice president's chair.

00:29:48.000 I was in the vice president's chair.

00:29:50.000 Yes.

00:29:51.000 But, um, and he was the one that was photographed there.

00:29:51.000 Vice president's chair.

00:29:54.000 It was very funny.

00:29:55.000 And I, I found it to be humorous and, uh, it made a mockery of what Congress is.

00:30:01.000 And I think it's good on you for doing what you did.

00:30:03.000 I personally think that the J6ers are patriots. 1.00

00:30:06.000 And look, they act like clowns every single day, so you might as well just go in there and highlight what a circus this is, because they behave like animals. 0.98

00:30:15.000 I'm talking about our members of Congress, and they behave like circus clowns. 0.98

00:30:18.000 They don't get anything done. 0.87

00:30:20.000 And so, for me, I'm personally happy.

00:30:24.000 I'm personally glad that

00:30:26.000 These politicians were so scared and so frightened that they were hiding under their desks and that they were, you know, they were shaking and shivering in the pews of Congress where they do the votes because it seems like that was a reminder to them for the first time that they've ever been in Congress that they work for us, okay, and we don't work for them.

00:30:48.000 And then they basically just

00:30:51.000 You know, manipulated everything and tried to make it seem like these were violent people when these were peaceful protesters.

00:30:58.000 I mean, you can't tell me that the people that just tried breaking into the DMC headquarters are peaceful protesters who got a pass from Capitol Police and that the J6ers are somehow violent insurrectionists and terrorists. 1.00

00:31:09.000 And so I don't really care.

00:31:11.000 I'm sure Media Matters on the left are going to clip what I just said, and they're going to go crazy and say that, you know, Laura Loomer says that

00:31:19.000 You know, she's happy to see politicians hiding and crying under their desks in fear of J6ers, but you know what? 1.00

00:31:25.000 They should be ashamed of themselves for certifying a stolen election, and they should be ashamed of themselves for terrorizing people like you and so many others whose lives have been destroyed.

00:31:36.000 So, if you don't mind, just tell people what your life has been like since you were originally arrested after J6.

00:31:45.000 Well, my life has been turned upside down.

00:31:50.000 After I exited the building I was already viral on social media and the very next day the FBI was looking for me.

00:31:58.000 My phone number had gone public.

00:31:59.000 I was getting all sorts of weird phone calls and text messages and voicemails.

00:32:04.000 The Mockingbird Media was blowing my phone up wanting statements.

00:32:09.000 I talked to the FBI.

00:32:11.000 When I found out they were looking for me I just called them.

00:32:14.000 And I set up a meeting with them in Phoenix at the Phoenix field office January 9th.

00:32:21.000 They told me they weren't going to arrest me and guess what they did?

00:32:24.000 They arrested me.

00:32:25.000 I told them I'd show up regardless because that's just the kind of guy I am.

00:32:28.000 But they decided for whatever reason to give me the impression that they just wanted to talk.

00:32:35.000 And I naively believed the special agent in charge of my investigation because I thought it was just misdemeanors and I didn't think the FBI wasted its time on misdemeanors.

00:32:45.000 Little did I know that they were going to be taking people off of terrorism cases, child sex trafficking cases, drug cartel cases, terrorism, you know, cases that are very real felonies and cause and could very well

00:33:00.000 We're good to go!

00:33:17.000 What it is that happened to me actually turned the whole J6 narrative upside down once Tucker Carlson released that footage for which I'm very grateful that he did because it though it did not get me released from prison early it did exonerate me in the court of public opinion.

00:33:32.000 Yeah and I saw Elon Musk also Elon Musk had tweeted something like free Jacob Chansley

00:33:38.000 And that's also what brought a lot of attention to it as well, because when Elon Musk, right, one of the richest and most powerful people in the world, highlighted your story and reposted the episode from Tucker Carlson, everybody saw it, right?

00:33:52.000 And it was just too big to ignore.

00:33:54.000 And so the problem, though, is that the Republicans used that and they manipulated people.

00:34:00.000 And you pointed this out perfectly when you called it the mockingbird media.

00:34:03.000 This is what they do, right?

00:34:05.000 They used your story as a way to subdue the public and the GOP MAGA base into thinking, oh, wow, so Jacob was released.

00:34:13.000 All these people are going to be released.

00:34:15.000 And then for months, right, for six months, we just saw no J6 footage released.

00:34:19.000 And all these defendants were on trial.

00:34:21.000 They had no access to tapes.

00:34:23.000 I know.

00:34:24.000 Because you're going to hear from 18 of them tonight who are coming on my show, who are clients of John Pearson, are being represented by NCLU, and they're going to tell you firsthand how they haven't been able to use any of this footage in their trial, precisely because the Republicans lied.

00:34:39.000 So what do you think about Mike Johnson's claim that, one, he's releasing all this tape, this footage and surveillance tape? 0.94

00:34:48.000 Do you really think that they're going to release all of it or do you think that they're going to just kind of like trickle it out or do you think that this is just a way for him to cover up the fact that he caved on a CR and more money for Ukraine and he just kind of wants to use the J6ers as a way to cover his ass? 0.98

00:35:09.000 Well, I can honestly say it's either 0.99

00:35:12.000 Put up or shut up. 0.99

00:35:13.000 Put your money where your mouth is, Speaker Johnson. 0.99

00:35:16.000 Don't just release a little bit, release it all, like you said you were going to.

00:35:20.000 Otherwise, you are going to prove to everybody in the country that you're just a puppet, just like McCarthy, just like a lot of most people in Congress.

00:35:30.000 And of course, while I'm pleased that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene

00:35:34.000 I think?

00:35:49.000 People like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz ought to know better that Tucker Carlson's footage did not get me released from prison.

00:35:56.000 And they're going out there and they're saying that that is exactly what happened.

00:36:00.000 They should know if they're, you know, in Congress that if that were the case then there would have been a court hearing and the judge would have banged his gavel and demanded that I be released.

00:36:10.000 But that's not what happened.

00:36:11.000 Now, what I found is what a lot of these politicians do is they say what it is that they think people want to hear, they do what it is that they think people want them to do, but really what they're doing is they're, like you said, they're trying to give the American people something so that they will be distracted from the very real mistakes or the very real disingenuous things that they're doing that keep the D.C.

00:36:38.000 deep state rolling and thriving.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:44.000 And we saw this last week, too, that Marjorie Trader Green, as I like to call her, she's actually promoting a new book.

00:36:51.000 And it's kind of disgusting, because she's like, oh, read about how I helped release the J6 tapes.

00:36:56.000 And it's like, you didn't release the J6 tapes, though, right?

00:36:58.000 And so...

00:36:59.000 It just really angers me to see these politicians that are getting away with insider trading like she's doing and selling books and talking about how she's helping people when she hasn't helped anybody.

00:37:09.000 And then people like you have been reduced to poverty.

00:37:13.000 Like so many J6ers have just been completely obliterated financially. 1.00

00:37:18.000 People don't understand how much it costs to hire attorneys and how hard it is when you're trying to find an attorney and most attorneys in this country won't even take people

00:37:29.000 Take these J6ers on because they're scared of retribution from the courts, and then you're up against a government that has unlimited resources, and what is that like? 1.00

00:37:39.000 Because I just want people to know ahead of the holidays, right, when all these politicians are off for their three-week vacation since, you know, they had to take one three-week vacation to decide who their speaker is going to be, and then now they're on to another three-week vacation paid for, we the taxpayers.

00:37:56.000 That's nice.

00:37:57.000 Um, what's it been like for you?

00:37:59.000 And just kind of explain to people, like, what a day in your life is like, and how hard it's been financially, and how people can, you know, support you.

00:38:07.000 Because I know you're running for Congress now, and you're trying to make a difference, and you're trying to raise awareness about these issues, but

00:38:12.000 I don't think that the average person really understands how financially devastating this type of persecution has been for ordinary Americans.

00:38:21.000 Because we see it leveled at Donald Trump, but obviously Trump's a billionaire, right?

00:38:26.000 It affects him on a personal level and a political level, but he's not starving.

00:38:32.000 There are J6ers that are literally starving to death right now. 1.00

00:38:37.000 Well, I'll just give you an example.

00:38:39.000 I had a merchandise store that we used Printful to do it and for a while, maybe like a month or so, everything was fine and then all of a sudden, lo and behold, as soon as my merch started getting traction,

00:38:54.000 Printful said that they would not and could not sell my merchandise that had my face on it, because it was associated with QAnon, which was associated with violence, hatred, and white supremacy.

00:39:08.000 That's what it was.

00:39:09.000 That was their official stance on the issue, and I tried to challenge it.

00:39:12.000 I said, but nothing in here says anything about Q.

00:39:15.000 Or QAnon.

00:39:16.000 Like it's just my face.

00:39:17.000 And they basically doubled down and said no.

00:39:19.000 So we ended up going with Bigly.

00:39:22.000 And we're very glad to be working with Bigly.

00:39:24.000 They're awesome.

00:39:26.000 That stuff is on my website.

00:39:27.000 The merch is on my website.

00:39:29.000 ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

00:39:31.000 And I wasn't able to really get a bank account either.

00:39:35.000 I don't know if that's because

00:39:37.000 Of course!

00:39:54.000 But how would they know?

00:39:55.000 How would they know, right?

00:39:56.000 Obviously your name, you're famous, but this just shows you the level of persecution and targeting, right?

00:40:01.000 Like there's a million banks in America.

00:40:03.000 There's private banks, right?

00:40:05.000 There's bigger banks like Chase Bank, Bank of America, right?

00:40:10.000 There's all types of banks.

00:40:10.000 Citibank.

00:40:11.000 But there's like credit unions.

00:40:13.000 There's all types of banks.

00:40:14.000 There's a deliberate effort to flag J6ers and to make it so that their lives are unlivable. 1.00

00:40:14.000 And so 1.00

00:40:20.000 You can't just go start your own bank, right?

00:40:22.000 You can't just stockpile cash, because then they'll accuse you if they come raid your home, they'll accuse you of evading taxes, and then they'll send the IRS after you.

00:40:30.000 So, how did you find yourself not being able to get a bank, and do you still not have a bank?

00:40:36.000 And how can they label you QAnon when you're not even QAnon, right?

00:40:41.000 Yeah, well, the way I see it is,

00:40:44.000 Where there's a will, there's a way.

00:40:47.000 And I figured out a way to have like a debit card of sorts.

00:40:51.000 I'm not going to give away the account or anything like that.

00:40:57.000 You don't have to tell us what the account is, but what I want to know is that three years after J6, you're telling me and my viewers right now that you still can't get like a traditional bank account?

00:41:06.000 That you're still being blacklisted from getting a bank account three years after J6?

00:41:11.000 Well, I don't know if it's because of J6 or not, but I'm just saying that where I applied for an account, I was denied.

00:41:19.000 And I've heard that I'm not the only one that this has happened to.

00:41:22.000 So I really don't know.

00:41:24.000 But the fact of the matter is, Deep State is what JFK called a tightly knit, highly efficient machine.

00:41:31.000 And it combines military, diplomatic, scientific, economic, and political operations.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 Well, you're obviously very smart, and the media went out of their way to make you seem like you were some kind of, like, you know, frat boy, crazy wild person, and

00:41:50.000 When you look at photos of Jacob online, right?

00:41:53.000 And we were talking about this months ago when you and I were talking about some other stuff and just how they character assassinate people.

00:41:59.000 They really went out of their way to, like, make you seem like you're some low IQ, low intelligence individual and you're brilliant.

00:42:06.000 Like, I've had conversations with Jacob and he is so...

00:42:10.000 He knows so much about American politics.

00:42:10.000 Smart.

00:42:12.000 He knows so much about propaganda.

00:42:13.000 I mean, it's like talking to somebody who's memorized an encyclopedia.

00:42:16.000 And now recently you filed to... I'm serious.

00:42:19.000 I'm not just saying that.

00:42:20.000 And so, you know, they do the same thing to a lot of people who they just want to demonize, right?

00:42:26.000 And it's funny because when you have, when you talk to Jacob or when you go on shows, you say that people are always like, wow, I didn't realize you were so smart.

00:42:33.000 Right?

00:42:34.000 Because of this character assassination.

00:42:36.000 So, what has that been like, dealing with the character assassination?

00:42:40.000 Do you get recognized when you go out?

00:42:42.000 Like, do you have hostile interactions with people when you go out?

00:42:45.000 What's your day-to-day life like?

00:42:48.000 Well, day-to-day is relatively peaceful.

00:42:50.000 I've only gotten a handful of recognitions in my time out.

00:42:55.000 I think I'm kind of wearing Clark Kent glasses as I go everywhere, because I'm not in the horns and the face paint.

00:43:02.000 Some people recognize the tattoos, like, at the gym and stuff, but, um, you know, my life is, uh, you know, I know the feds are listening to every phone call that I make, but that's fine because I have nothing to hide.

00:43:14.000 And, you know, I think at this point they probably learned to like me.

00:43:18.000 I think that, uh, you know, if they're, if it's a female fed that she's probably in love with me at this point, you know, because I'm really just a nice guy, you know, and I'm trying to do the right thing in all ways, all the time.

00:43:32.000 And I mean, on January 6th, the whole reason the police were escorting me around the building was because I offered to help them.

00:43:38.000 Right.

00:43:38.000 You know, I stopped somebody from stealing the moment that I went into the building.

00:43:43.000 I was the one that stopped people from breaking in when I got out of the building and told everybody to go home.

00:43:48.000 So, the narrative is totally bogus.

00:43:51.000 But that's what's kind of interesting, Laura, is that

00:43:54.000 The government and the Mockingbird media were in lockstep with their narrative.

00:43:59.000 And when that footage got released, my being the poster boy that they chose, or the face of J6, they and their narrative were flipped completely on their heads and they were left scrambling. 0.54

00:44:11.000 And then the narrative that I was a lunatic or some sort of simpleton also got flipped on its head.

00:44:19.000 And now they are being shown to be what they really are, a bunch of Mockingbirds parroting 0.83

00:44:24.000 Government propaganda.

00:44:26.000 And I think that, you know, in the end of the day, if I have to go through all this crap to make the country a better place and wake people up, then okay, you know, God won't give me anything I can't handle.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:44:39.000 And you're a shaman as well.

00:44:41.000 Explain to viewers what that is and how, you know, how that influences your lifestyle and your perspective on life.

00:44:49.000 Because a lot of people aren't really familiar with shamans.

00:44:53.000 Well, shamanism is a Siberian or Mongolian term.

00:44:57.000 It simply means the one who knows.

00:45:00.000 And it's basically like medicine man.

00:45:03.000 And the thing is, is that shamanism is at the root of all religious practices.

00:45:09.000 All shamanic cultures believe, number one, in God or a unified field of energy and life.

00:45:15.000 Number two, the idea of a spirit world and positive and negative entities that live in that spirit world.

00:45:21.000 Number three, they all believe in healing whether it be through song or through energy or through frequency or through plants.

00:45:28.000 Number four, they all believe in the idea of song and dance and singing and drumming.

00:45:36.000 Number five, they all believe in like the idea of sacraments and sacramental plants or sacraments like, you know, burning of sage or incense or

00:45:46.000 the consumption of sacraments and sacramental plants.

00:45:50.000 They also all believe in prayer and meditation, and all these things unite with one another.

00:45:57.000 They all coincide to a larger worldview.

00:46:00.000 They all concretize into a grander understanding of reality that goes beyond the use of words.

00:46:06.000 So if you

00:46:08.000 Everything based on what I just described is the basis for all religions.

00:46:12.000 They're all different tongues, and they all have different ways of answering these questions or looking at the world through these lenses.

00:46:19.000 And so I wanted to get to the roots.

00:46:21.000 I wanted to have a personal relationship with God.

00:46:24.000 And I truly do believe that Yeshua, or Jesus, Jesus Christ, was the most ultimate shaman.

00:46:32.000 Because Christ was the ultimate shaman, I follow in Christ's footsteps.

00:46:36.000 Think about it.

00:46:37.000 He healed people.

00:46:38.000 He cast out demons.

00:46:39.000 He went through ordeals, which is another thing that shamans do.

00:46:42.000 They go through ordeals to ward off evil spirits.

00:46:47.000 He beat death, for God's sake!

00:46:50.000 He taught people how to pray.

00:46:51.000 He did all sorts of things that were shamanic in nature.

00:46:57.000 I practice shamanism because it is the root of all religions.

00:47:01.000 It gives me a chance to have a personal relationship with God.

00:47:04.000 It gives me a chance to have a divine connection to God and to nature and a deeper understanding of the spirit world.

00:47:11.000 Yeah, that's nice.

00:47:13.000 Well, another thing I wanted to ask you about is, and this is a story that I broke a few months ago, obviously, you and I are friends and we talk, but when, you know, we see all these like Nazi-fed movements pop up across America, right, where you have, and it just happened two days ago, again, the same Nazis that I exposed in Florida from this group called Blood Tribe, 0.58

00:47:35.000 And a lot of them are feds that were in Florida several months ago on a bridge in Orlando and I was over there and I confronted them and you know that went viral and whatnot.

00:47:45.000 They were also spotted this week throughout other cities in America and they cover their faces, they walk around it with swastikas and some of them are even chanting Slava Ukraine.

00:47:55.000 And when I posted this video several months ago you reached out to me again and

00:48:01.000 You were like, oh, I want to tell you an interesting story because I had broken the story about how this guy was a fed.

00:48:07.000 And you told me about how when you were interrogated by the FBI and you were in a meeting with the FBI and your attorney, they showed you a photo.

00:48:17.000 I don't

00:48:32.000 And I do believe, truly, that the reason why they didn't want to release the J6 tapes and why they're going to slow roll these out and they're going to blur faces as they're saying they're going to do is because they don't want people knowing that the United States Capitol was penetrated by Ukrainian spy operatives.

00:48:48.000 And it's interesting how you and others and, you know, people are put on the wanted list, the FBI wanted list, for simply going inside the Capitol, but then an actual Ukrainian spy operative who's been identified by the FBI, obviously, because they interrogated you about him, isn't on the FBI watch list.

00:49:05.000 So, this story, when it happened, Newsweek wrote about it, and of course, the mockingbird media, in their way, they tried to distort it and make it seem like we were, you know, it was being made up, but the FBI didn't deny it.

00:49:16.000 And so, tell the viewers what happened, because this is such a shocking story.

00:49:23.000 You confirmed it to me months ago, I reported it exclusively, and you haven't really heard anything about it.

00:49:29.000 But it is, in my opinion, one of the biggest scandals and stories of the year, and you're the one that happened to.

00:49:35.000 So I want everybody to hear this story from you because it is so shocking, but our actual government was utilizing Ukrainian spy operatives to carry out color revolution disruptive tactics at the Capitol on J6, and you were a target of this.

00:49:53.000 Well, what happened is, is they held up a picture and they said, do you know this person?

00:49:59.000 Do you know this man?

00:50:00.000 I said, no, who's that?

00:50:01.000 And they said, he's a Ukrainian spy.

00:50:03.000 And I said, Oh my God, no, I had no idea who that was.

00:50:06.000 He was just asking for a selfie.

00:50:06.000 I have no idea.

00:50:08.000 And I said, you see how I'm sticking my tongue out in that photo?

00:50:11.000 And I said, yeah, that I'm just, I'm just posing for a photo, bro.

00:50:14.000 I don't, I don't know who that is.

00:50:15.000 That's what I do every time.

00:50:16.000 I don't know who the person is.

00:50:17.000 I'm just posing for a photo.

00:50:18.000 They said,

00:50:19.000 So you never had any contact with them before or during or after January 6th?

00:50:23.000 I said no!

00:50:24.000 And they had my phone so they knew that was true.

00:50:28.000 But I think what's really important here is that we understand how it is that something like January 6th even was able to take place in the first place.

00:50:37.000 You see, Yogananda Pitman, the Pentagon, the FBI, Christopher Wray, these people suppressed intelligence that would have gotten to Chief Sund and allowed him to invoke the National Guard on January 6th.

00:50:52.000 Pelosi and McConnell changed laws right before January 6th so that Chief Sund could not have his emergency powers to invoke the National Guard.

00:51:00.000 He needed their permission.

00:51:03.000 So, the fact is that they said no when he asked for the National Guard to be deployed on January 6th.

00:51:11.000 They said no because it would be bad optics and because there was no evidence.

00:51:14.000 But they were intentionally hiding the evidence.

00:51:17.000 Now here's something else.

00:51:19.000 Let's also think about the fact that Yogananda Pittman and the current Capitol Police Chief Manger signed non-disclosure agreements, according to Tarek Johnson, the Capitol Police Lieutenant.

00:51:28.000 According to Tarek Johnson, they both signed, Yogananda Pittman and Capitol Chief Police Chief Manger,

00:51:35.000 Signed non-disclosure agreements about the information they had regarding January 6th.

00:51:40.000 Now, I wonder what kind of leverage does Mike Johnson have?

00:51:43.000 Can he say that those non-disclosure agreements are void?

00:51:46.000 Can he release the information that they had?

00:51:48.000 Why are they trying to suppress it?

00:51:50.000 That's just kind of weird.

00:51:51.000 And let us not also forget, yes, there was somebody that the FBI told me was a Ukrainian spy on the ground at January 6th.

00:51:58.000 They were right there at the breach of the Capitol.

00:52:01.000 They were screaming, run, run, run in Russian.

00:52:04.000 Were they trying to create the illusion that it was Russians that were there and not Ukrainians?

00:52:08.000 Absolutely.

00:52:11.000 How does this relate to Igor Kolomoisky, the guy that was the one that funded One Plus One Media, which is who Sergei Davonin was working for?

00:52:19.000 How does all of this relate?

00:52:19.000 Exactly.

00:52:21.000 And how does all of this relate to the feds being in the crowd?

00:52:25.000 That's Chief Sund that said that, that the place was crawling with feds.

00:52:31.000 It's also true that there was BLM and Antifa in the crowd.

00:52:34.000 They admitted themselves that they dressed as Trump supporters.

00:52:37.000 And the question is, if the FBI knew that there were Ukrainian spies, how come no one's been notified?

00:52:42.000 And this is what we exposed months ago, and Newsweek picked it up.

00:52:47.000 And you can see, we just showed the Newsweek article on the screen there.

00:52:51.000 For the viewers who want to go find that article, we'll show it again.

00:52:54.000 Uh, they, they even said at the bottom of the article, the FBI didn't deny it.

00:52:58.000 They didn't deny it.

00:52:59.000 They didn't issue a statement, but they also didn't deny it.

00:53:02.000 And so, you know, this means that Ukraine committed an act of war against the United States of America because, uh, Kolomensky, who you're saying is the owner of OnePlus One, and of course OnePlus One is this Ukrainian 0.53

00:53:14.000 It's like a fake media company in Ukraine that also doubles as an operative machine for these spy operatives.

00:53:23.000 And Sergey Dubinin is also a member of the Azov Battalion, which we know is a Nazi battalion in Ukraine.

00:53:30.000 And he has participated in these activities with them.

00:53:33.000 So why is it that this guy, how was he able to get into the country?

00:53:37.000 Who approved his visa?

00:53:39.000 Was it Victoria Nuland over at the State Department, right?

00:53:41.000 I mean, look.

00:53:43.000 These people have have experience carrying out color revolutions with the Ukrainians, and it's just a little interesting, right? 1.00

00:53:51.000 Like, nobody put this Ukrainian spy on the watch list, but they're interrogating J6ers about it. 1.00

00:53:55.000 And like I said, this is a story for those watching.

00:53:58.000 You're probably freaking out at home right now because you've never heard about it.

00:54:01.000 I broke this story months ago.

00:54:03.000 It went super viral!

00:54:05.000 It had like 15 million views on on Twitter and even RT had me on to talk about it but nobody else wanted to talk about it and then Newsweek tried to discredit it and they were forced to uh you know to

00:54:18.000 We're good.

00:54:19.000 We're good.

00:54:20.000 We're good.

00:54:21.000 We're good.

00:54:22.000 We're good.

00:54:23.000 We're good.

00:54:24.000 We're good.

00:54:25.000 We're good.

00:54:26.000 We're good.

00:54:27.000 We're good.

00:54:28.000 We're good.

00:54:29.000 We're good.

00:54:30.000 We're good.

00:54:32.000 We're good.

00:54:33.000 We're good.

00:54:34.000 We're good.

00:54:35.000 We're good.

00:54:36.000 We're good.

00:54:37.000 We're good.

00:54:38.000 We're good.

00:54:39.000 We're good.

00:54:40.000 We're good.

00:54:41.000 We're good.

00:54:42.000 We're good.

00:54:49.000 Well, I'm running for Congress because Congress is not doing their job.

00:54:53.000 It's all political theater.

00:54:54.000 None of them are really speaking for the American people.

00:54:57.000 What I'm running on is single bill voting law, an amendment for term limits for congressmen and staff,

00:55:04.000 Criminalization of lobbying and seven-figure fines expulsion and prosecution for insider trading Interestingly enough.

00:55:13.000 I did an interview with Newsmax a week ago on Monday I did an interview with Newsmax a little over a week ago and where I delineated my campaign promises and my platform and it just so happens that within the last week Matt Gaetz has come out and talked about all of these things and proposed all of these things and

00:55:34.000 In sequence!

00:55:35.000 Like, all of these things bunched together.

00:55:37.000 So obviously, what it is that I'm saying is striking a chord with the corrupt apparatus in DC.

00:55:42.000 Obviously, it's popular with the American people.

00:55:45.000 Now, the reason why I'm running my campaign the way that I am, number one, I am not garnering any campaign funds.

00:55:52.000 Because I think that big money is a big problem in politics.

00:55:56.000 So if people want to support me and put food in my belly as I speak for the American people freely, then I would say go to my website ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

00:56:07.000 You can buy my book.

00:56:08.000 You can also buy merchandise.

00:56:10.000 Or you can go to my GiveSendGo and just donate money so I can buy food and put gas in my car at GiveSendGo.com slash FreeJake.

00:56:20.000 Now, also, I'm running as a libertarian, and the reason I'm running as a libertarian is because the two-party system has divided this country, and it is a uniparty at this stage, and the uniparty is dividing us based on propaganda and talking points.

00:56:36.000 This is political theater, and all the two-party system has done is divide our country and take everything from the American people.

00:56:43.000 In exchange for taking everything and dividing us, what they've given us is more taxes, more headaches, more problems, more wars, more poverty, crisis after crisis after crisis, and less freedoms.

00:56:58.000 And finally, I'm not going to be running any smear campaigns.

00:57:01.000 The reason I'm not running smear campaigns is because my platform is the best.

00:57:05.000 And if you are the best, then you don't need to smear your opponent.

00:57:08.000 You don't need to spend all this money to smear people.

00:57:11.000 And so my campaign is going to be and is the antithesis of everything that's wrong with American politics.

00:57:19.000 And my website, which is going to be coming up soon, we're still working on it, is going to raise the bar for all Congress members.

00:57:27.000 Nobody is able to measure up to what it is that I'm going to have to offer.

00:57:31.000 And I guarantee you, we're not going to play the game in D.C., we're going to change the game in D.C.

00:57:36.000 because I'm not going there to make a career, I'm going there to make a change.

00:57:40.000 And I'm looking right now on Twitter and

00:57:44.000 You do have your GiveSendGo on your Twitter, too.

00:57:47.000 I see at the top it's American Shaman, at American Shaman, for people who want to follow you.

00:57:52.000 No, no, no, America Shaman.

00:57:54.000 America Shaman.

00:57:55.000 If you go to American Shaman, then you're going to go to a hemp website. 0.96

00:57:58.000 America, yes, America Shaman. 0.67

00:58:00.000 Excuse me.

00:58:02.000 We'll put that up on the screen here, but it's America Shaman, and then you can see his website, ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

00:58:08.000 And then, of course, we also have the link for your GiveSendGo as well.

00:58:13.000 What is the website for your GiveSendGo again?

00:58:17.000 It's GiveSendGo.com slash FreeJake.

00:58:21.000 That's my merchandise there.

00:58:22.000 Some of it's really funny.

00:58:23.000 We've got the Dinosaur Circus.

00:58:24.000 We've got Freedom.

00:58:25.000 We've got a Mockingbird Media shirt.

00:58:27.000 We've got a Never Obey shirt with Klash Schwab's face on it.

00:58:30.000 We've got a Shaman Life.

00:58:32.000 We've got a Chewbacca.

00:58:34.000 The Beginning is Near.

00:58:35.000 We've got all sorts of good stuff, man.

00:58:37.000 I'm telling you, it's awesome.

00:58:38.000 And then my book is near the bottom.

00:58:40.000 There's the GiveSendGo right there.

00:58:43.000 Yeah, and I just want to encourage everybody, you know, this is, Jacob Chansley's fighting the good fight, and he's been through hell, and you know, a lot of you are gonna be sitting around the dinner table, and look, I know that things are really tough right now for everybody in America, and there's inflation, and a lot of people are struggling, but look, we all go to, we all go to Starbucks, we all go to Dunkin', we all, you know, we all say, oh, things are tight, but we find ourselves

00:59:07.000 Going out to eat or we find ourselves going to the movies or you know doing things that we could probably go without and so I would ask that if you're watching and you you know want to help Jacob restore his life and you know spread his message of truth and

00:59:23.000 You know, just wake people up, right?

00:59:26.000 And think about it.

00:59:28.000 And help me get into Congress.

00:59:30.000 I want you to think about something, Laura, real quick.

00:59:32.000 Think about what a statement it would be to the establishment in D.C.

00:59:37.000 to send me back as a congressman.

00:59:39.000 How much that would say we're done with the status quo, we're done with the corruption, this guy is who we are sending to represent the people of the 8th District of Arizona, and, I promise you this, all of the American people, Republican and Democrat, because Republican, Democrat, Independent, Libertarian, they can all agree with my platform!

00:59:59.000 Because it's not anti-government, it's anti-corruption!

01:00:03.000 And I think everybody can agree that corruption is bad.

01:00:06.000 Yeah, well, I don't want to get you in trouble with the FEC, because you can't technically accept campaign contributions on a GiveSendGo, but people should support your GiveSendGo to help you in your personal fight right now until you get, you know, the official website for your campaign set up, because, you know, they are, like you said, they're watching, and I don't want anybody to come and target you and attack you and try to shut you down, but I 100% agree with your message and agree with what you're saying, which is why I've been directing people to go to your GiveSendGo, because people should, right?

01:00:36.000 I'm gonna donate.

01:00:37.000 I encourage everybody.

01:00:40.000 I'm sorry, that's why I'm not accepting campaign funds.

01:00:42.000 I'm making that very clear.

01:00:43.000 If you are going to my GiveSendGo, you are buying me food as I speak for you.

01:00:48.000 I'm not spending it on anything for my campaign.

01:00:51.000 Oh, I know.

01:00:52.000 I just wanted to make that clear so that the left can't twist your words right now because they will take that and they'll say, oh, he's trying to violate, you know, FEC laws by using a GiveSendGo.

01:01:02.000 So I'm just, you know, I'm watching your back because I ran for Congress twice, right?

01:01:06.000 I ran in Florida and I know

01:01:08.000 All the angles that these people in the media use to try to attack you, right?

01:01:12.000 They look for one little slip-up, and they twist it, and they will try to attack you, and you've already had the federal government come after you, so you don't need them coming after you again.

01:01:21.000 But again, we'll show the... It's givecentgo.com slash free Jake, right?

01:01:29.000 Yep, and ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

01:01:32.000 My thing is, the reason why I ask people to go there is because then they get something for their money.

01:01:36.000 They get a book, they get a shirt, or whatever, and I would much rather people do that than just give me money.

01:01:41.000 But if you want to just donate to my cause as far as helping me get back on my feet after getting out of prison,

01:01:48.000 And putting food in my belly, then you're more than welcome to do that.

01:01:51.000 But I prefer people just go to the website, watch the free courses, watch the podcasts, watch everything that's free, take a look at the merchandise if you like it, if you want to buy the book.

01:02:01.000 The book's only $9.99.

01:02:01.000 I'm telling you guys, everything that I have to offer you is going to transform the world forever if you would just trust me and watch the good stuff that I have up there.

01:02:13.000 And if you're willing to support in one way or another, you know, buy a shirt, buy the book.

01:02:17.000 Well, and also, I'll say this lastly, too.

01:02:20.000 You have expressed to me that you want to work, right?

01:02:23.000 And so because of the persecution, right, it's hard for a lot of J6ers to find work.

01:02:29.000 It's not like people want handouts.

01:02:30.000 It's not like people are just asking for things.

01:02:33.000 I want to make that very clear to people because

01:02:35.000 Just lastly, like, explain how hard it has been to find work because of the way that they've demonized you, because we have a lot of people watching.

01:02:42.000 There's people in Arizona who are probably watching.

01:02:44.000 I'm from Tucson, Arizona originally, and so for those of you who are watching who know that this is a nice man, he's a patriotic American who's been demonized and persecuted, you could help him rebuild his life.

01:02:55.000 People are always looking for people who want to work, okay?

01:02:58.000 And so if you could just explain, you know,

01:03:01.000 Uh, to people watching as well, like how hard that has been for you because we've talked about that and I just find that to be probably like one of the worst parts and I can relate to that as someone who's been canceled, right?

01:03:11.000 Like how hard it is to get hired even if you are qualified for something because of the way people character assassinate you.

01:03:19.000 Right.

01:03:20.000 Well, actually, I have a story about that.

01:03:22.000 I was going to work for this company, helping them with their advertising and helping them with like, you know, the creating of, you know, ads and stuff like that, kind of like behind the scenes type artwork type stuff.

01:03:33.000 And when it got back to their board of who I was, they said that they could not and would not employ me because they didn't want it to affect their stock.

01:03:41.000 They didn't want it to get back to the media.

01:03:44.000 They didn't want it to basically tarnish their public image.

01:03:47.000 So they said that they couldn't hire me after they already agreed to do so.

01:03:51.000 So that's kind of why I went into business for myself.

01:03:53.000 That's why I have the website up there at ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

01:03:56.000 That's why I have the merchandise.

01:03:58.000 That's why I have the book for sale.

01:04:00.000 That's why it is that I do consultations, you know, spiritual, political, philosophical, you know, personalizing all the information that's on my website that is designed to help people spiritually ascend and to grow.

01:04:15.000 I kind of personalize it in these consultations.

01:04:17.000 So I'm working for myself.

01:04:19.000 I also Currently, I'm working at you know part-time at GG 33 doing courses at GG 33 with Gary the numbers guy and You know, it's it's been interesting so far because well the system is

01:04:37.000 Life is beautiful.

01:04:38.000 The system is what's ugly.

01:04:40.000 And God is beautiful because God is life.

01:04:43.000 And God has provided me enough to get me from month to month to month to have... What just happened?

01:05:01.000 I think we lost him for a second.

01:05:03.000 Well, just can you reconnect with him?

01:05:04.000 He's going to reconnect in a second.

01:05:06.000 It looks like his connection cut out, but we'll get him back on in a minute.

01:05:10.000 But yeah, if you are watching right now, I would encourage all of you to definitely check out his Gibson.

01:05:17.000 Go check out his website again.

01:05:18.000 It's America's shaman on Twitter.

01:05:20.000 While we wait for him, it looks like his connection cut out.

01:05:29.000 No, it's just terrible what they've done to these J sixers, and you're going to hear from 18 of them tonight. 1.00

01:05:35.000 We're here till about 12 30 in the morning.

01:05:37.000 We're going to be doing this four hour telethon tonight and.

01:05:42.000 Really heartbreaking.

01:05:43.000 Some of the stories that you're going to hear from people who have been absolutely devastated, right?

01:05:48.000 Devastated and tormented by the federal government.

01:05:52.000 And I think Jacob Chansley, he's, as I said during this interview, one of the more well known J sixers. 1.00

01:06:01.000 And so hopefully he can reconnect momentarily.

01:06:05.000 Looks like we lost him on his end.

01:06:09.000 And then, of course, we are going to have Attorney John Pierce, who's the founder of NCLU, come on, and we're going to hear from these 18 J sixers as well. 1.00

01:06:20.000 So.

01:06:23.000 No, he's connecting right now.

01:06:25.000 In the meantime, there's this crazy story.

01:06:28.000 That came out.

01:06:31.000 Infant son of J six

01:06:36.000 And this is just crazy.

01:06:38.000 This goes to show you just how corrupt our government is and just how far this has gotten.

01:06:46.000 Infant son of J6 defendant placed on quiet sky suspected terror watch list.

01:06:50.000 So now if you are the child, okay, if you are the child of a J6er, you're also going to be persecuted as well. 1.00

01:06:58.000 So

01:06:59.000 An eight-week-old infant was placed on a Secret of Terror watch list known as the Quiet Skies last week, according to AJ Fisher.

01:07:07.000 The only suspected, but not only so reasonable, explanation for the designation is that Fisher is a J6 defendant and the infant's father.

01:07:14.000 Oh, we have Jacob back.

01:07:15.000 So, Jacob?

01:07:17.000 Can you hear me?

01:07:18.000 Sorry about that.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, I don't know what happened.

01:07:20.000 I don't know where I got cut off.

01:07:20.000 Yeah, I can hear you.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:07:23.000 Maybe you accidentally hit something or it was cut out on your end, so.

01:07:27.000 Oh.

01:07:28.000 We have John calling in as well.

01:07:31.000 So Jacob.

01:07:35.000 I wanted to give you the opportunity to, uh, I wanted to give you the opportunity to kind of close out and give your last words before we, uh, before we go on to John and some of these other, uh.

01:07:49.000 These other J sixers. 1.00

01:07:54.000 Well, connection issues, but all right, so we'll get this up on the screen here.

01:08:00.000 This infant son of J6 defendant plays on Quiet Sky's suspected terror watch list while we're waiting for him to connect. 0.69

01:08:06.000 We have a lot of people calling in tonight, so look at this story.

01:08:11.000 Unbelievable.

01:08:12.000 I mean, now, if you are the child, they're targeting little babies, infants, okay?

01:08:17.000 We knew that our government was evil, okay?

01:08:19.000 We knew that our government was evil, but this is just taking it to a whole new level, okay?

01:08:25.000 It says, anytime Fisher's fiancé or their infant son travels, their boarding passes are stamped SSSS to indicate that they are suspected domestic terrorists and listed in the Quiet Skies database because of their association with Fisher.

01:08:42.000 You know, and I'm really familiar with this designation because I remember actually when I worked for Project Veritas, and I traveled overseas one time to Greece with James O'Keefe, we were flying back and we had to fly in through Canada, and he actually received this stamp, this SSSS stamp on his boarding pass.

01:09:03.000 And so I remember him going through security and being questioned about what he was doing and the type of work that he does.

01:09:13.000 They are definitely targeting people.

01:09:14.000 It says, as explained in an October 12 column for Undercover DC, the Quiet Skies program is being weaponized against J6ers, like 20-plus year military veteran Brian Smith, who peacefully attended the J6 protests to contest the 2020 general election.

01:09:33.000 And then, of course, it goes on to explain what Quiet Skies is.

01:09:36.000 If you scroll down, you can actually see the boarding pass at the bottom.

01:09:42.000 It says that Quiet Skies is an undisclosed TSA program that targets travelers who are not under investigation by any agency and are not in the terrorist screening database.

01:09:50.000 Do we have Jacob back?

01:09:56.000 All right, Jacob.

01:09:57.000 Yeah, connection issues there.

01:09:58.000 But I wanted to just give you a minute to kind of close out.

01:10:01.000 Any last words that you have?

01:10:03.000 Any last statements about your campaign?

01:10:05.000 Or anything you want to say about, you know, the state of our country and the release of these tapes?

01:10:12.000 Sure.

01:10:13.000 So, I think that, and I think I explained it very well in the Gateway Pundit op-ed article I did that's called, J6 was a psy-op.

01:10:25.000 And I can prove it, is J6 was a setup on behalf of the deep state intelligence agencies, the bureaucracy, the mockingbird media, etc.

01:10:36.000 And it was a setup that was intended to go after Donald Trump and his supporters, to give them an excuse to label Donald Trump supporters domestic terrorists, a way to back Donald Trump into a corner with the legal issue that he's going through now in Georgia.

01:10:52.000 And you know based on what Enrique Tarrio told us about the fact is that they came to him with the plea deal and said if all you have to do is say that you had a middleman between you and Trump and he helped orchestrate all this and we'll let you go and he said no and they gave him 22 years based on the way that the Mockingbird Media and the government handled Ray Epps and Nick Fuentes by the way who both of whom are the only people on camera telling people to go into the Capitol

01:11:15.000 The way that the government and the media were in lockstep with one another, the way they covered up for Yogananda Pitman, the way they allowed Tariq Johnson and Chief Sun to be their fall guys, the way that the Pentagon and the FBI suppressed information, the way Yogananda Pitman suppressed information,

01:11:32.000 All of this stuff screams a setup and then what ensued afterward was a Mockingbird Media PSYOP designed to divide the country using my image as to create a shock and awe campaign because there was nothing crazy that really went on inside the building but there was somebody that in a way for them could be made to look crazy myself so they paired what happened outside and

01:11:55.000 My image inside to craft their narrative, but the whole thing got turned on its head and the truth will set people free That's why we need to demand.

01:12:04.000 Hey speaker Johnson Release the footage

01:12:09.000 Yeah, well, and that's what they're saying, right?

01:12:12.000 They're saying that they're going to release these tapes.

01:12:14.000 We will see.

01:12:15.000 They haven't released all of them yet.

01:12:17.000 There's a website that, you know, Mike Johnson posted, and I know I know President Trump posted the same link as well, and there's about 23 gigs of footage.

01:12:26.000 That's not a lot.

01:12:27.000 Okay, that's like 100 tapes, right?

01:12:29.000 So we'll see.

01:12:30.000 I'm not too hopeful.

01:12:30.000 We'll see.

01:12:30.000 I don't know.

01:12:32.000 I've seen this game again and again and again.

01:12:36.000 Like you said, and like I said, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz and

01:12:39.000 We'll just have to wait and see because.

01:12:39.000 Yeah, I know.

01:13:02.000 Well, it's sad that these trials are even being allowed to happen right now because they should pause them.

01:13:07.000 I mean, this is evidence that could be used to exonerate people and they shouldn't be having J6 trials right now if not all this footage is going to be released.

01:13:14.000 It's really unfair to these people.

01:13:16.000 Well yeah, they use people, Laura.

01:13:19.000 You of all people know that they use people for political ends and means.

01:13:24.000 I mean, currently, this is part of the problem with the two-party system, is that if the Republicans are in power and the country's doing well, the Democrats are trying to make sure that the country does bad, because then they can make the Republicans look bad, and then they can take over.

01:13:38.000 Or if the country's doing really bad right now, like it is under Biden,

01:13:42.000 Then what the Republicans want to do is they want to keep things going bad so that they can use that in their campaigns.

01:13:48.000 And who suffers?

01:13:48.000 The American people.

01:13:50.000 The two-party system, these uniparty people in DC, all of them are in cahoots with one another, with the NGOs, the international corporations, the international banking cartels, the special interest groups that fund their campaigns.

01:14:02.000 That's why they don't represent the American people, because they are representing the interests of these non-government organizations, these corporations, these banks, and these special interest groups.

01:14:12.000 So, I want to run for Congress.

01:14:13.000 I am running for Congress to represent not just the 8th District here in Arizona, but the American people as a whole.

01:14:19.000 And that's what my platform is doing, is it's representing their interests, and it will dissolve the systemic corruption in D.C.

01:14:28.000 But the first thing we have to do is a single-bill voting law.

01:14:31.000 That's very, very important, because everything else changes after that.

01:14:35.000 Do you feel used?

01:14:37.000 I guess that's the last thing I'll ask you before I let you go, because you said that I, of all people, know what it's like to be used by these people.

01:14:43.000 That is certainly true.

01:14:44.000 The Republican Party is full of users, and they will use you to try to, you know, put a face to an issue so they can fundraise, but then they will, you know, just abandon you after they get what they want from you.

01:14:55.000 Do you feel used?

01:14:56.000 Because I know a lot of J Sixers who told me they feel used by Kevin McCarthy and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz and others. 0.97

01:15:03.000 Do you feel used?

01:15:06.000 I feel like a victor not a victim to be honest with you because I've taken all these people that have attempted to use me, the Mockingbird Media, politicians and stuff like that.

01:15:16.000 I've taken what it is that they've attempted to do to me and I've used that momentum to my advantage.

01:15:25.000 And so for me, you're not a victim unless you choose to be a victim.

01:15:29.000 And I choose not to be a victim, I choose to be a victor.

01:15:32.000 Now that being said, I will say that

01:15:35.000 The politicians and the Mockingbird Media have used J6ers as a talking point. 1.00

01:15:40.000 Yeah, because you can be a victor and also be used.

01:15:44.000 I mean, it's not like, you know, it's mutually exclusive.

01:15:48.000 You can be a victim

01:15:51.000 I think so.

01:16:14.000 You know, recognize that you've been used because I feel like I feel like they've used Donald Trump.

01:16:18.000 And look, I don't think I think Donald Trump is a victim of a system, but he obviously acts like a victor, right?

01:16:23.000 He's been able to persevere, but there's no doubt about it that when I look around, you see these same people that oftentimes condemn him or his supporters and have thrown them all under the bus.

01:16:32.000 They had no problem using him for endorsements and for fundraising, just like they are now using the J sixers for 1.00

01:16:39.000 Endorsements and fundraising after treating all of them like pariahs for three years.

01:16:43.000 Now it's cool, right?

01:16:44.000 Now it's cool to associate with J6ers. 1.00

01:16:46.000 Yeah, okay.

01:16:48.000 So they only do what's good for them in their careers, hence why they're loyal to these NGOs and special interest groups, etc., because it's good for their careers.

01:16:48.000 Exactly.

01:16:56.000 But if something is politically unpopular, they stay away like it's the plague.

01:17:01.000 But I understand exactly what you're saying, and you're right.

01:17:03.000 And the thing is, is that I'm not the only person that has had this treatment.

01:17:08.000 There's people in the Congress that use whistleblowers in their testimony for political gain as well.

01:17:13.000 Look what happened to Kyle Serafin.

01:17:15.000 Look what happened to Officer Friend, the FBI whistleblowers.

01:17:19.000 Look what happened to some of these J6ers. 1.00

01:17:21.000 There's a guy named AlphaWarrior on Twitter that was not even in DC on January 6th, and the police raided his home.

01:17:29.000 They swatted his home.

01:17:30.000 While his infant child was inside for four hours without adult supervision while the FBI raided his home, all because of a social media post.

01:17:38.000 He wasn't even in D.C.

01:17:40.000 And then there's people like, you know, Brandon Strzoka, who they threw him in the slammer right away for doing the exact same thing Ray Epps did.

01:17:50.000 Ray Epps never got charged, nothing, but they were talking about throwing a freaking felony at Brandon Strzoka.

01:17:55.000 Why aren't they talking about throwing a conspiracy charge at Ray Epps?

01:17:59.000 So there's clearly a double standard.

01:17:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:01.000 Or all of these Hamas protesters and Palestinian terrorist supporters that tried breaking into the DNC.

01:18:08.000 I mean, you guys didn't even attack Capitol Police.

01:18:11.000 They attacked them.

01:18:12.000 It's on video.

01:18:14.000 But they went into the Capitol.

01:18:15.000 They went into the Capitol.

01:18:15.000 Look at that.

01:18:16.000 Rashida Tlaib was the one that 0.99

01:18:21.000 It's a Hamas erection. 1.00

01:18:23.000 I call it a Hamas erection. 1.00

01:18:24.000 It's a Hamas erection. 0.99

01:18:26.000 But seriously, their activities at the DNC, they went in the Capitol, like you said, and that was incited by a member of Congress. 0.96

01:18:33.000 How come Rashida Tlaib isn't in jail, right?

01:18:35.000 They tried to censure Paul Gosar.

01:18:36.000 And then you also have the Capitol going into lockdown because of these Hamas supporters that tried breaking into the DNC. 0.71

01:18:43.000 So there's a double standard.

01:18:45.000 I think we all see it.

01:18:47.000 One last time for your website before I let you go, Jacob.

01:18:50.000 I really appreciate you coming on and telling your story and sharing your journey with us.

01:18:56.000 It's really inspiring and I really admire your perseverance in the face of such awful adversity and persecution from our corrupt government.

01:19:04.000 Well, thank you.

01:19:05.000 I appreciate that.

01:19:06.000 It's ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

01:19:08.000 That is ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

01:19:11.000 There's also my ex or Twitter account.

01:19:13.000 That's at America Shaman. 0.52

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01:19:19.000 There's my Forbidden Truth Academy website.

01:19:21.000 All sorts of free courses you can take.

01:19:23.000 Free podcasts you can watch.

01:19:25.000 There are free interviews you can watch.

01:19:27.000 The merchandise is relatively inexpensive.

01:19:29.000 The book is very inexpensive.

01:19:30.000 And then there's the Give, Send, Go slash Free Jake.

01:19:34.000 Well, thank you so much, Jacob.

01:19:36.000 I really appreciate you coming on.

01:19:37.000 I wish you all the best in your political endeavors and also in rebuilding your life.

01:19:43.000 Hopefully there's a contact form on your site in case anybody from Arizona is listening and they want to help you out and, you know, retain your services.

01:19:51.000 There is.

01:19:52.000 There is for sure.

01:19:53.000 You can definitely check it out.

01:19:54.000 Let me know.

01:19:55.000 And just in case anybody wants to know, if they want to contact me by email for this whole thing with Congress, if you're in Arizona, shaman4congress, that's shaman4congress at proton.me.

01:20:09.000 We need to get some signatures so I can get my name on the ballot and beat these rhinos and these people out here in Arizona and get over there in the D.C. 0.93

01:20:16.000 and represent the American people.

01:20:18.000 Great.

01:20:19.000 Well, thank you so much, and I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving.

01:20:24.000 Same to you.

01:20:24.000 God bless.

01:20:25.000 Yeah, God bless you.

01:20:26.000 Thank you.

01:20:29.000 So, really, you know, inspirational story there.

01:20:31.000 Check out his Give, Send, Go.

01:20:32.000 It's givesendgo.com slash Free Jake Aya.

01:20:35.000 You know, you're going to hear from 18 people tonight who have, you know, just as equal, you know, sad stories.

01:20:42.000 It's really heartbreaking, and there's thousands of people in our country that are going through the same thing right now, and I know that you

01:20:47.000 He's been through a lot, and I know all can't donate to everybody, but I just think that you know what he's been through is awful, and I would encourage all of you to support him or find it in your heart to support at least.

01:20:58.000 You know one of these J sixers that you hear from tonight. 1.00

01:21:01.000 One of the things that you heard him talk about.

01:21:03.000 Was deplatforming.

01:21:04.000 Okay, and the way that the the deep state and the government tries to Bankrupt you they've done it to me.

01:21:10.000 Okay with lawfare You see the way they're doing it to President Trump and they're very malicious in the way that they try to Stop people from being able to make a living and so I want to talk to you about how you can protect your wealth Also, thanking one of the sponsors of tonight's show Gold Co.

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01:21:36.000 It started with a sweeping executive order from the Biden administration, and now central banks are even hiring for their development, right?

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01:21:44.000 So here's the thing, okay?

01:21:46.000 A digital dollar can be used to track your purchases, control what you buy, and even seize or freeze your assets.

01:21:53.000 And we've seen this happen.

01:21:54.000 You know, this is not a conspiracy theory.

01:21:56.000 You've seen the way that they've frozen the bank accounts of J6ers. 1.00

01:21:59.000 They locked me out of my bank account several years ago.

01:22:02.000 I was debanked.

01:22:03.000 You know, they take your money.

01:22:04.000 I got banned from PayPal, Venmo.

01:22:06.000 They take your money and they don't give it back to you, okay?

01:22:08.000 And they're doing this.

01:22:10.000 They even did it to Donald Trump after J6.

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01:23:49.000 So with that, I did tell you that we are going to be hearing from the attorney who's representing a lot of these J6ers. 1.00

01:23:57.000 There's a lot of lawyers in America right now who are too afraid to represent J6ers who are having their rights violated and it's really a sad state of affairs because we're watching as they're trying to

01:24:09.000 He's representing several J6ers. 1.00

01:24:30.000 And when I say several, I'm talking about about about I don't think it's like 36 or so.

01:24:35.000 I think he'll tell us when he comes on.

01:24:37.000 But but John six, uh, John Pierce, excuse me, is a Is a very, you know.

01:24:46.000 We're good to go.

01:25:09.000 He's the founder of an incredible organization called the NCLU, and that is the organization that is really funding the defense for these J6ers who you're going to hear from tonight. 1.00

01:25:22.000 And so with that, I want to introduce attorney and founder of NCLU, John Pierce.

01:25:27.000 John, how are you tonight?

01:25:29.000 I'm doing well.

01:25:30.000 Thank you so much for having me on again, Loren.

01:25:32.000 Thank you for doing this show tonight.

01:25:33.000 I know how much all the defendants that I represent really appreciate this opportunity to get the word out and raise awareness.

01:25:40.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:25:41.000 And so, you know, I want to just really jump right into the callers because we had you on about two weeks or so ago when we were trying to break down all of these ridiculous 14th Amendment cases against President Trump.

01:25:53.000 Luckily, the case in Colorado, right, they ruled in favor of Trump.

01:25:57.000 The cases in Michigan and Minnesota were also defeated and they found that

01:26:02.000 Uh, that they're not going to be able to, uh, keep Trump off the ballot in Colorado and Michigan and Minnesota, uh, with these, uh, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment lawsuits that were filed by radical leftist Soros, uh, cases.

01:26:12.000 And so, with that, I know that, uh, NCLU, your organization, we have the website pulled up, nclu.org, uh, we are about to do a, uh, a nonstop three-hour, uh, telethon, probably going to be here until about one o'clock in the morning, and all of these, uh, J6ers are 1.00

01:26:30.000 That we're speaking to tonight, for the most part, are your clients.

01:26:33.000 And you're representing about, I don't know, I mean the number changes every day because everybody's coming to you.

01:26:38.000 Probably what, like 30, 35 J6ers? 1.00

01:26:40.000 How many do you have now?

01:26:43.000 I think it's 38 in terms of different phases of proceedings, including new cases, cases that are heading right to trial, cases that are heading into appeal, sentencing.

01:26:54.000 So I think that's the number right now.

01:26:56.000 Well, and I think it's fair to say that you probably have the most J6 clients out of any attorney in the country, and so these people that we're hearing from tonight are your clients. 1.00

01:27:05.000 I have offered, because I was just so disgusted yesterday watching Joe Biden pardon these turkeys, and it's kind of a joke, like, we have political prisoners in our country, and generally I wouldn't get so upset about watching a turkey get pardoned, but the turkey's name was Liberty.

01:27:20.000 The turkey's name was Liberty that he was pardoning. 1.00

01:27:23.000 And I just couldn't help but think to myself, you know, you absolute asshole. 1.00

01:27:28.000 Okay? 1.00

01:27:28.000 You asshole. 1.00

01:27:30.000 Like, Joe Biden is an absolute asshole for pardoning a turkey named Liberty. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Like, he's already killed Liberty, if we're going to be honest here, okay? 1.00

01:27:41.000 We have political prisoners, your clients, rotting away, some of them, you know, sent to jail.

01:27:45.000 Luckily, you have been able to significantly reduce a lot of these jail sentences, but the audacity of Joe Biden to pardon a turkey named Liberty and another one named Bell, right, like Liberty Bell, it's a way for him to just rub it in our face, right?

01:28:00.000 You're going to pardon a bird named Liberty, but you're not going to give basic care to these J6ers who are going to have to spend 1.00

01:28:06.000 They're Thanksgiving in solitary confinement, right?

01:28:10.000 I just get so heated about this.

01:28:11.000 And so I decided that I wanted to have a telethon for as many J Sixers as possible tonight to raise money for them so they could tell their stories because I started thinking to myself, Oh, my God, there's people that are going to be in solitary confinement.

01:28:24.000 They're not going to be able to eat turkey.

01:28:26.000 They're not going to be with their families.

01:28:27.000 They're going to be alone in solitary confinement.

01:28:30.000 And then there's people that have been so bankrupted.

01:28:33.000 Because of Joe Biden and the DOJ and the witch hunt that they don't have money for food.

01:28:38.000 And there's incredible inflation this year.

01:28:38.000 Okay?

01:28:41.000 Turkey's expensive.

01:28:42.000 Everything's expensive.

01:28:43.000 It's hard for your average American to afford anything, let alone a J6er who's had to spend all their money on legal fees. 1.00

01:28:49.000 And your organization is representing these people regardless of whether they can pay you.

01:28:55.000 I mean, obviously, like, they need to pay, but you have been, you know, very generous, I would say.

01:29:01.000 Pretty much like giving up your home, giving up your car so that you can afford to represent a lot of these people, even if they don't necessarily have the money.

01:29:01.000 Right?

01:29:07.000 And so we are raising money tonight for the J6ers through NCLU. 1.00

01:29:11.000 If people want to donate, they're going to go to nclu.org, but you all need to listen to the stories of these J6ers who are being represented by John Pierce. 1.00

01:29:19.000 And we're going to get started and I want John to be on the call because he can help talk about some of the biases that these individuals have faced in the courtroom.

01:29:27.000 I've been there personally to witness some of it and I thought that it is just something that that would be it would be fitting for

01:29:35.000 All of these defendants to have their legal counsel on the call as well so that they feel comfortable not only, you know, telling their stories, but speaking out tonight.

01:29:43.000 So with that, we're going to get started with our with our first caller.

01:29:46.000 I believe the first caller is one of your clients, Jay Sixer, Jesse James Rumson.

01:29:52.000 So Jesse, can you hear me?

01:29:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:56.000 Great.

01:29:57.000 Where are you calling from?

01:29:58.000 And if you can, you know, we have 18 J sixers, and I know everybody has about 10 to 15 minutes tonight to tell their story and to talk about, you know, how this has impacted them and their families and, uh, you know what? 1.00

01:30:11.000 What they're aspiring to do and what they're aspiring to accomplish now.

01:30:15.000 Um, in terms of rebuilding their lives.

01:30:18.000 And I wanted to give you the opportunity to talk about how the weaponized government has affected you.

01:30:22.000 Uh, and of course, people listening, if they're touched by their story, your story, they can go to nclu.org, uh, and click donate in the top right corner.

01:30:31.000 So go ahead, Jesse.

01:30:32.000 Where are you calling from?

01:30:33.000 And tell us what happened to you.

01:30:36.000 I'm calling from Florida.

01:30:38.000 And, uh, the weaponization of government in this country has just been absolutely off the charts.

01:30:44.000 I mean, the political prisoners that we have is something I never thought we'd see in this country.

01:30:48.000 This is supposed to be the land of the free, home of the brave.

01:30:51.000 But after I returned home from January 6th, someone had turned me in and they started the surveillance police state on me.

01:31:01.000 So they would begin by driving by my house, taking pictures.

01:31:06.000 They contacted my local sheriff.

01:31:08.000 They came.

01:31:09.000 They put a tracer on my car.

01:31:10.000 In Florida, by the way.

01:31:12.000 This is in Florida.

01:31:13.000 And I know that you talk about going to J6.

01:31:15.000 Tell people why you were there, because you were actually there as a symbol of peace.

01:31:19.000 I mean, speaking with you in the past, I know that you and I have had conversations.

01:31:22.000 You were dressed up.

01:31:23.000 Tell people what you were dressed up as and you know why why it's so ridiculous that you ended up being targeted and I want you to go into details if you don't mind getting graphic about how they tried to break your legs and what happened when they actually stormed your home and

01:31:40.000 Tell them the date as well so that people can understand that this is still happening here in the state of Florida, the state that has the largest number of J6 defendants, if you don't mind, because I think these are really important details. 0.99

01:31:52.000 Because you weren't just there, you know, like walking inside.

01:31:56.000 Tell people what you went there for and what you were dressed as.

01:32:00.000 Sure, yes.

01:32:02.000 I know a lot of people don't know about what had happened in Hong Kong when it got invaded by the CCP.

01:32:08.000 The Chinese had taken over the tiny independent nation that had become after being released by Britain. 0.87

01:32:15.000 They systematically dismantled their government, they took down their newspapers, and then they began castrating people in the street that had the audacity to protest Mr. Xi.

01:32:26.000 And so I put on a Heaven Will Destroy the CCP shirt on, which is a Hong Kong protest shirt, and a big mascot panda bear head.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, we have that.

01:32:37.000 We're going to put that on the screen here as well so people can see.

01:32:40.000 You were literally dressed there as a panda, okay?

01:32:43.000 And you and I met, right, at a local Republican meeting, and that's how you were able to get connected with John as your attorney, right?

01:32:51.000 Because you were looking, and this had happened, of course, to you.

01:32:55.000 You were literally dressed as a peace panda.

01:32:57.000 I mean, you showed up to J6 dressed as a peace panda, and I see John's, like, cracking up on the other side because it's

01:33:04.000 It's funny in the sense that this is what our government is wasting money on.

01:33:07.000 Like, you have actual terrorists that are protesting in the streets of America, and they're going after a, like a hippie from Florida, and I hope you're not offended by me saying this, but like, you know, you're like the nicest guy, you're like this hippie from Florida dressed in a panda costume there to, uh, to, as a symbol of peace, to protest communism, and they're raiding your home.

01:33:29.000 And they tried to break your legs.

01:33:32.000 Yeah, on the day we went and we saw Trump at the Ellipse, he, you know, told us to go have our voices peacefully and patriotically heard.

01:33:41.000 So I walked to the Capitol with everybody else.

01:33:45.000 There was no signs, no police, no barricades between us and the second floor Miranda.

01:33:51.000 So everyone just kind of walked up the steps.

01:33:54.000 We were waving our flags.

01:33:55.000 There was singing God Bless America.

01:33:58.000 We're all up there having, you know, a good time.

01:34:01.000 There's a positive energy about the crowd.

01:34:03.000 Everyone felt like things were going to be okay.

01:34:07.000 Like our love would prevail and that the right things would happen.

01:34:10.000 And then all of a sudden the door to my front opens and a door behind me opens and I hear, come on in.

01:34:19.000 So I'm thinking, Oh my God, this is a, this is a hardened building.

01:34:22.000 This is, you know, they've got to have magnetic locks and bulletproof glass and

01:34:27.000 This is going to be one of the, you know, top three buildings in the country for security.

01:34:32.000 And the only way that we're going to get in is if they let us in.

01:34:34.000 So I'm thinking, if they're going to let us in, we're going to get to watch the vote happen on the inside in the rotunda.

01:34:41.000 So I walk into the building.

01:34:43.000 You can see me in one of the newly released videos.

01:34:47.000 A guy breaks one of the glass things on the door, but I didn't see that.

01:34:51.000 And then a cop runs over and opens the door for him.

01:34:54.000 I didn't see that either.

01:34:55.000 All I heard was come on in.

01:34:57.000 The door was already open.

01:34:58.000 I stroll in and at the end of the hall there's about a dozen riot cops.

01:35:03.000 So I take a minute and I stop and I think, you know, clearly there was a wire across somewhere.

01:35:09.000 These guys don't look like they want me in here.

01:35:12.000 So to prevent any confusion, I put up my hands.

01:35:14.000 I walked up to the cops directly to them and said, I surrender.

01:35:18.000 I said, I'm not violent.

01:35:20.000 I'm not here to,

01:35:22.000 It's just terrible.

01:35:40.000 It's so sad, but it's also comical in a sense that, you know, that the FBI is wasting money going after people dressed up as pandas.

01:35:48.000 I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

01:35:50.000 It's just really such a joke what our country has become.

01:35:54.000 Tell people the day that you got raided.

01:35:56.000 What was the date that you were raided?

01:35:58.000 You live in Florida, that's how we met of course, but

01:36:00.000 Walk people through the day and the morning that you woke up that you found yourself being beaten by federal agents in the state of Florida in a Republican county with a sheriff that was supported by Ron DeSantis, in case people want to know, so that you can really paint the picture and set the timeline.

01:36:17.000 What was the day of the raid on your home?

01:36:21.000 Well, the beating took place that day on January 6th.

01:36:24.000 After I surrendered to them, they smashed me over the head with a baton.

01:36:29.000 And pin me to the floor and kept beating me on the floor, the whole dozen of them. 0.97

01:36:33.000 And then they handcuffed me in the hallway and George floated me on the neck.

01:36:37.000 And then the crowd pushed the cops off, lifted me up and walked me back outside.

01:36:41.000 I left that day and then the FBI was immediately turned on to me and for years they surveilled me.

01:36:48.000 I was just picked up on February 27th of this year.

01:36:53.000 But that was after the

01:36:55.000 The driving by, the taking pictures, they installed a license plate reader on the end of my street, and then they came and they dressed up like power line workers and installed cameras outside of my house so that they can monitor me 24 hours a day.

01:37:09.000 And then on February 27th, I woke up to concussion grenades going off outside my windows.

01:37:15.000 They just started launching really loud.

01:37:18.000 February 22nd of what year, just so the viewers can... The 27th of this year, 2023.

01:37:23.000 Yep.

01:37:23.000 So this is still happening, everybody listening to that.

01:37:25.000 So again, February of 2023, people are still having their homes and their doors, like, kicked in by the FBI.

01:37:32.000 So go on.

01:37:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:34.000 They showed up with multiple armored vehicles, helicopters, you know, black FBI vans, police, you know, cars.

01:37:43.000 And I heard them, you know, go on their little megaphone as the explosions are going off outside my door.

01:37:49.000 Ran to my front door, had my hands up just in time to see a SWAT team in full gear, M4s, green dots all over my chest.

01:37:58.000 I demanded to see the arrest affidavit and the warrant.

01:38:01.000 They told me I wasn't allowed.

01:38:02.000 I asked them again.

01:38:04.000 I told them I know my rights.

01:38:05.000 They said I didn't have any rights.

01:38:07.000 And then they slapped me in the cuffs, threw me in the back of a van.

01:38:10.000 And then I watched them do the same to my fiancé and my brother and everyone else in my house and throw them.

01:38:18.000 In the back of vans to interrogate them.

01:38:20.000 And then, uh, they went next door to my grandfather's house, who's dying of cancer.

01:38:26.000 And, uh, he's over there crying because he couldn't tell the difference between a concussion grenade and a gunshot.

01:38:32.000 And he was under the impression that they had come through my door and murdered me.

01:38:36.000 So they demanded access to his house.

01:38:38.000 They took his computers, his cell phone, everything he had, just with no warrant whatsoever.

01:38:45.000 And they took me to a rendition site and interrogated me, and I'm still pretty sure they're following me around.

01:38:53.000 They do lots in helicopters.

01:38:55.000 They got drones outside.

01:38:56.000 I was lucky enough to meet you and John Pierce and finally get some good representation, and I'm gonna try to postpone my case now that they have new videos coming out that'll hopefully

01:39:09.000 Show my beating at the hands of the officers.

01:39:25.000 You know, from going to D.C.

01:39:26.000 with you, John, I've seen these trials.

01:39:28.000 There's not a single member of Congress there that wants to participate in these trials.

01:39:31.000 They don't want to come watch.

01:39:32.000 And they have known about these tapes for three years now, especially the fact that there's video footage that was released.

01:39:38.000 And some of your clients, right, have released footage like this from their own personal GoPros or cell phones or, you know, whatever they may have that shows police opening the doors and letting them in.

01:39:47.000 And so, how do you foresee this now impacting a case for somebody like Jesse here?

01:39:54.000 Um, who obviously showed up in a peaceful panda costume, being peaceful, and now these tapes... You have Republicans, and I add this here, new January 6th videos praised by Republicans, right?

01:40:05.000 They have to pretend like they never saw these tapes before, even though they had possession of them for three years, and they were well aware of what Liz Cheney and Jamie Raskin were doing.

01:40:13.000 The narrative has crumbled, they say. 0.97

01:40:15.000 Well, I think the narrative crumbled three years ago, but they were just too ignorant and too, um... 0.98

01:40:20.000 You know, unwilling to listen because they didn't want to. 0.88

01:40:23.000 But now they're being forced and strong-armed into it because they see that the Republican voters are not going to send them any more money or vote for them otherwise.

01:40:30.000 So what do you think about this, John?

01:40:31.000 Do you think that these cases should all be postponed?

01:40:34.000 What is the likelihood now that Republicans are finally getting involved in the J6 footage debacle?

01:40:41.000 Well, I do think all these cases should be continued.

01:40:45.000 You know, one thing I want to focus on, as Jake Chansley mentioned in your earlier segment, is that there is not a single Republican in Congress who has lifted a finger to actually do anything that has made a difference so far.

01:40:59.000 You know, there are really about half a million hours of videotape when you talk about all of the cameras that could be relevant with respect to

01:41:08.000 Uh, what happened on January 6th?

01:41:10.000 Um, you know, everything that's happening in Congress right now and that has happened in the last, you know, couple years has all been, uh, performance, uh, theater.

01:41:17.000 Um, all this tape can be released immediately.

01:41:20.000 Um, I think they might've released, you know, 90 hours, much of which, um, you know, we've already seen.

01:41:24.000 Absolutely.

01:41:25.000 Absolutely.

01:41:55.000 Well, Jesse, you know, we have 17 other J sixers as you can imagine, or we have similar stories. 1.00

01:41:59.000 But, um, you know, is.

01:42:02.000 I know it's been very difficult for you.

01:42:03.000 And so you rely on the support of people donating to NCL.

01:42:07.000 You just tell people briefly what it means.

01:42:09.000 And, uh, you know how hard it's been for you, either financially or personally to deal with this persecution and how

01:42:24.000 Oh, I thought you were talking to John.

01:42:25.000 I actually have a Give, Send, Go.

01:42:27.000 And that goes towards John over there so he can represent me.

01:42:34.000 Give, Send, Go, Jesse Rumson.

01:42:39.000 Thoughts and prayers.

01:42:40.000 I mean, they're not just coming for J6ers. 1.00

01:42:42.000 They want to come for everybody.

01:42:44.000 I mean, I understand the irony of going out there to protest a fascist regime and a communist regime and then being the victim of one myself.

01:42:54.000 We all need to stand up and we all need to fight.

01:42:56.000 This is a beautiful country with beautiful ideas, with a founding that needs to never be forgotten.

01:43:02.000 And that if everyone stands up and we all lock arms, we can take this country back.

01:43:07.000 And we owe it to everyone who's come before us and everyone who's going to come after to protect the liberties that we were given.

01:43:14.000 We can't let this country fall.

01:43:16.000 And this is going to be a pivotal time moving forward.

01:43:19.000 We need Trump.

01:43:20.000 We need the MAGA movement.

01:43:21.000 We need

01:43:22.000 The people, we need the patriots.

01:43:23.000 So if you can get involved, get involved.

01:43:26.000 If you can run for office, you can watch the precincts.

01:43:30.000 If you can vet candidates, anything you can do to help, get involved and do it.

01:43:34.000 Are you also running for office as well?

01:43:38.000 I am.

01:43:38.000 It's a very niche.

01:43:39.000 It's not a house seat like Mr. Chansley.

01:43:42.000 I'm going very local.

01:43:44.000 I'm going for my county commission.

01:43:47.000 My community has been so great to me.

01:43:49.000 Once I was arrested,

01:43:52.000 They came and they asked me to talk about my experiences.

01:43:56.000 They asked me different things.

01:43:57.000 So when I started going to these different meetings, the Republican clubs, they started doing Q and A's and they wound up really liking me and vibing with what I had to say about the community and the country.

01:44:09.000 And they asked me to step up and be the change I wish to see in the world and run for the county commission and help

01:44:17.000 Keep Citrus County great.

01:44:40.000 It's hard.

01:44:40.000 You know, a lot of people, um, have been completely devastated financially by this.

01:44:45.000 And, um, have you been able to rebuild it all, Jesse?

01:44:48.000 Have you been able to find work?

01:44:49.000 I know a lot of J sixers haven't been able to find any work. 1.00

01:44:52.000 And what's that?

01:44:53.000 What's that been like for you?

01:44:54.000 Have you been able to at least find a way to make some money?

01:44:58.000 Um, I do have a way.

01:45:00.000 My fiance is.

01:45:02.000 An entrepreneur, and she has been able to be a

01:45:08.000 We're good.

01:45:25.000 I think I deserve the.

01:45:26.000 Acquittal that I deserve because really, I did nothing wrong.

01:45:30.000 What is your background?

01:45:31.000 We have a lot of people listening from all over and you know, it's time for people to stand up and to fight back against this.

01:45:38.000 You can't fall for pressure campaigns.

01:45:39.000 What is your skill set?

01:45:41.000 Because if there's people listening who may want to hire you right in Citrus County, because not everybody is a coward.

01:45:47.000 What do you do?

01:45:47.000 What What are you capable of doing or what?

01:45:50.000 Where can people contact you if they're

01:45:56.000 Well, I've got a Gmail.

01:45:57.000 VoteJesse24, number 24, at gmail.com.

01:46:03.000 So I can put that out there for all the trolls to send me whatever.

01:46:06.000 Right.

01:46:08.000 I lost my job.

01:46:10.000 I was working at a comic book store.

01:46:13.000 You know, a big, deadly insurrectionist who, you know, dealt in comic books at a local nerd shop.

01:46:22.000 I've been a blue collar guy my whole life.

01:46:26.000 Little bit of college, but I think I want to concentrate mostly on the County Commissioner, and I don't want to muddle that up too much.

01:46:36.000 I've got a lot of stuff on my plate, and I think that's an important job that requires your full attention.

01:46:43.000 I just want people to know, you know, imagine if you're watching this, what it would be like to be fired from your job and to not have an income because you, what, support Trump?

01:46:43.000 No, it does.

01:46:53.000 Or you believe the election was stolen?

01:46:56.000 I mean, I think every single J6-er we're going to talk tonight is going to have the same story about losing their job and, you know, being doxxed and it's unfortunate. 1.00

01:47:04.000 You know, once again, I want to thank you, of course, Jesse, for coming on and sharing your story and to remind people, right?

01:47:10.000 He has a Give, Send, Go.

01:47:11.000 You can also contribute at nclu.org.

01:47:14.000 And we need to be supporting these people.

01:47:16.000 So some people are going to be able to

01:47:19.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:47:19.000 I think it's important to, you know, donate more than others.

01:47:23.000 But even if it's just 5 10.

01:47:25.000 Uh as 5 10 15, you know, $20 100.

01:47:26.000 Some people can do more.

01:47:28.000 You know, see what you can do this holiday season and be grateful that you're not in the position of these J six years, right?

01:47:35.000 Think about that this year at the Thanksgiving dinner table, right when you're thinking about what you're grateful for.

01:47:42.000 Because a lot of other people are

01:47:47.000 And support as well.

01:47:48.000 So one last time, the address for your Give Sun Go.

01:47:53.000 Jesse Romston with Give Sun Go.

01:47:55.000 Great.

01:47:55.000 Let me show that on the screen right there as well.

01:47:59.000 And then I'd like to send an extra thank you to you for raising awareness for everyone who's in the prisons now and in the gulags and actually staying with this fight, fighting for the people.

01:48:11.000 You know, you're out there every day.

01:48:13.000 I see you tweeting 10 times a day about

01:48:16.000 Important things that matter to everybody, and that are really waking people up to what's happening in this country.

01:48:22.000 Of course, and, you know, the first time I ever met you was at one of these Republican meetings, and they told me about what happened to you, and I said, I have to meet this guy, and we gotta get him a lawyer.

01:48:33.000 And so I was able to connect you to John when I was, I believe I was running for Congress.

01:48:38.000 And that's how we met, because Citrus County was originally going to be in my district when I ran, and when I heard about

01:48:45.000 What happened to you?

01:48:46.000 I wanted to make sure that you were taken care of because I think that it's an abomination and this shouldn't be happening in our country at all, let alone Florida, okay?

01:48:54.000 I'm really sick and tired of everybody saying that Florida is such a free state when Citrus County is one of the most Republican-red counties in the entire state of Florida, okay?

01:49:02.000 And probably the entire country.

01:49:04.000 And you're having FBI raids and sheriffs come and arrest people like this in a pro-Trump

01:49:11.000 Bright red county like Citrus County in a state that is controlled by Governor DeSantis.

01:49:15.000 We're putting all that into perspective for people because there's a lot of misconceptions right about Florida being a free state, but it's not so free here.

01:49:23.000 DeSantis told me he couldn't do anything for me.

01:49:27.000 I reached out to his office and they kind of gave me the cold shoulder and the brush off and you know kind of said you're on your own just like they did to Trump when they allowed the feds to come in and raid his house here in Florida.

01:49:42.000 Which DeSantis knew about before it even happened, so exactly.

01:49:46.000 It's not a good situation, but your words, not mine, right?

01:49:51.000 Out of the mouth of a J6 defendant. 0.76

01:49:54.000 I just think people need to hear this.

01:49:56.000 It's a harsh reality, and people need to wake up, right?

01:49:59.000 Because there's presidential elections going on right now too, and people need to ask themselves,

01:50:04.000 Do they want somebody in the White House that knows what it's like to be persecuted and have their door kicked in by the FBI like Trump had his?

01:50:10.000 Or do they want somebody that's gonna basically, you know, give the finger to Jay Sixer and say, you're on your own, buddy?

01:50:15.000 Mm-hmm.

01:50:17.000 Because that's the difference, right?

01:50:20.000 That's what's on the table right now.

01:50:22.000 Because it's you today, right?

01:50:24.000 It could be whoever's watching tomorrow.

01:50:26.000 If they can get away with kicking in the door of Mar-a-Lago, they can get away with doing it to anybody.

01:50:30.000 It's a night and day.

01:50:33.000 Transition between someone who would do that and someone who's had it done to them and has vowed to even stand up and give pardons to these people and it's like if anyone if anyone deserves them they're J6ers. 1.00

01:50:45.000 I mean I would say that they were probably even set up and that it's probably a entrapment on a lot of people's parts and hopefully the truth will come out and that everyone will get to see what actually happened on J6.

01:51:01.000 Absolutely.

01:51:02.000 Well, Jesse, thank you so much.

01:51:03.000 Citrus County still loves you, Laura.

01:51:05.000 Yes, I know.

01:51:07.000 I've been so busy doing all my shows, but I'll be back up in Citrus County soon and, you know, send my love to everybody in Citrus County.

01:51:14.000 And I see you all the time, though, at events.

01:51:17.000 You know, we see each other a lot these days, Jesse.

01:51:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:20.000 With that, though, please, if you find Jesse's story compelling, please contribute to his Give, Send, Go.

01:51:27.000 We're going to be connecting now to another J6er as well, another client.

01:51:33.000 They're connecting now momentarily.

01:51:34.000 Everybody's calling in.

01:51:35.000 We have, like I said, 18 people while we're waiting for them to connect.

01:51:40.000 Thank you, Jesse, for coming on.

01:51:41.000 I appreciate it.

01:51:42.000 We'll talk soon.

01:51:43.000 John, if you can, you represent a lot of J6ers, and 1.00

01:51:49.000 What is your opinion about this?

01:51:50.000 Because Florida, it is a unique place in the sense that we have the highest number of J6 defendants, and yet the governor here, who's running to be President of the United States of America, hasn't really done anything. 1.00

01:52:01.000 And yet, so many of these clients of yours come from Florida, but also too, as has been widely documented, these people who live in Florida are not exactly having the Republican representatives in their so-called free state come to their rescue.

01:52:19.000 Yeah, I think it's really a disgrace on behalf of Governor DeSantis, the way he has failed to do anything whatsoever for the January 6th defendants.

01:52:29.000 And also, it's not just that he's failed to do anything.

01:52:32.000 You know, it really seems as if, you know, himself and the folks that are running his campaign, the folks that support him, actually have a sense of glee about the persecution of January 6th defendants.

01:52:45.000 Oh, they do.

01:52:46.000 They do.

01:52:47.000 We have an article, actually, that we're going to pull up.

01:52:49.000 And while we're waiting for this next caller, there was an article out today in National Pulse, okay?

01:52:55.000 Really disturbing article.

01:52:57.000 And we're going to pull this up right now.

01:53:00.000 And you have audio of DeSantis influencers, the rapid response director, photographed with the guy who was caught on camera or caught on video saying this.

01:53:08.000 And they were saying that they were happy.

01:53:11.000 We can pull this up on the screen here.

01:53:13.000 They were happy that J6ers were going to due time. 1.00

01:53:16.000 And then under Ron, it was going to be fun to watch.

01:53:20.000 Pull that up on the screen right there.

01:53:20.000 That's what they said.

01:53:21.000 Zoom in for everybody to see it.

01:53:25.000 I mean, it's just sickening. 0.56

01:53:27.000 It's just absolutely sickening.

01:53:28.000 So, what do you think about this?

01:53:30.000 I mean, you said yourself they're getting glee out of it, and we see it here.

01:53:33.000 DeSantis influencers celebrate jail for J6 prisoners who will do time under Ron.

01:53:38.000 It will be fun to watch.

01:53:41.000 Yeah, I don't think that there is an issue that draws a clear distinction between President Trump and Ron DeSantis.

01:53:47.000 You know, President Trump understands what's happening in this country.

01:53:50.000 There are two tiers of justice in this country.

01:53:53.000 There's an absolute weaponization of the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of this country against regular Americans.

01:53:59.000 There could not be a more important issue in this election in a free republic.

01:54:04.000 Under those circumstances, this country is toast.

01:54:06.000 Donald Trump obviously understands that at a very deep, instinctive, and primal level.

01:54:12.000 And I have absolute confidence that he is going to take decisive action with respect to January 6th when he gets back in the White House in January 25th. 0.97

01:54:20.000 Yeah, and we've also seen that Ron DeSantis's press secretary, Jeremy Redfern, in previous reports that I've shown, said that Ashley Babbitt deserved to die because she, and excuse the language for people who are watching, these are his words, not mine, he said that she, you know, fucked around and found out, right? 0.99

01:54:39.000 F-A-F-O, and then 1.00

01:54:41.000 That's what he said in his own tweet, and then he was promoted, right?

01:54:43.000 This guy is Ron DeSantis' press secretary for his actual gubernatorial office in Tallahassee, which means that we're paying for his salary with taxpayer money. 0.96

01:54:52.000 So we're paying this guy with our taxpayer money who said that Ashley Babbitt deserved to get shot and assassinated because she's a Trump supporter.

01:54:58.000 That's who Ron DeSantis has as his press secretary.

01:55:01.000 Well, I think that, you know, one thing that that kind of rhetoric really displays is that, you know, one of the rationales that Governor DeSantis and his supporters have put forward in terms of why he should be elected is his purported ability to select people around him and those sorts of things.

01:55:16.000 And I think that you have actually exposed, not only in this particular instance, but in many other instances, that that is a fallacy.

01:55:22.000 I mean, not that I would ever vote for Ron DeSantis ever again or ever consider him to be president, but

01:55:43.000 I don't care, like, even if Donald Trump wasn't on the ballot and Ron DeSantis somehow, someway was the nominee, that's not gonna happen, but let's just say, hypothetically speaking, I literally would just skip out on the election.

01:55:54.000 I just wouldn't vote.

01:55:55.000 Just based on the issue of J6.

01:55:57.000 It's like, you know, you have women that their one issue is abortion, and we see Democrat voters coming out right now where their single voter issue is, and their issue is abortion.

01:56:05.000 My single voter issue would literally be J6.

01:56:08.000 I don't want some former federal prosecutor like Ron DeSantis, because that's what his background is.

01:56:13.000 He's a federal prosecutor who worked and oversaw torture at Gitmo, Guantanamo Bay, during the Iraq War under the presidency of George W. Bush.

01:56:21.000 Okay?

01:56:22.000 I don't want to vote for somebody like that.

01:56:24.000 I didn't even support him the second time around for governor.

01:56:26.000 I don't want to support him.

01:56:28.000 I don't like him.

01:56:29.000 I've seen his failed leadership and I've seen the way that he has allowed for my friends and people I know to be locked up.

01:56:35.000 He literally allowed for Donald Trump to be raided by the feds at Mar-a-Lago and had previous knowledge of it, okay?

01:56:42.000 When do we get to talk about that?

01:56:43.000 I don't want him in the White House, ever.

01:56:48.000 This is just one of those issues that it sparked me to literally move my residence from Palm Beach to the villages, right, two years ago, so that I could run against Daniel Webster, who was the only Republican who skipped the vote on the J6 committee.

01:57:00.000 That's how passionate I am about this issue, is I literally gave up my entire life in Palm Beach, where I lived for years,

01:57:06.000 Yes, yes I can.

01:57:07.000 I'm doing okay.

01:57:07.000 I am.

01:57:30.000 Well, I want to thank you so much for calling in.

01:57:32.000 I want to talk to you about your story as a J6-er, and just tell people from the beginning, you know, what your experience has been like, where you're from, where you live, and what happened start to finish. 1.00

01:57:45.000 Well, actually, I am not a defendant.

01:57:49.000 I have four in my family that are being prosecuted.

01:57:54.000 My husband, Robert Westbury,

01:57:58.000 My son Aaron James, my son Jonah Westbury, and my son Isaac Westbury.

01:58:04.000 Wow!

01:58:06.000 We were all there on January 6th and this has been by far one of the most torturous experiences in our lives.

01:58:19.000 Now, getting back to the January 6th time frame, we went there

01:58:26.000 You know, I suppose part of it was, yes, it was to support President Trump.

01:58:33.000 2020 was a debacle for sure, but it was more than that.

01:58:40.000 We were called to go there, and I believe that we were called by God to go there, to stand up for our country, to stand up for what's right, what's good, what's holy, and what's true.

01:58:54.000 And our nation is in the throes of death, even as we speak.

01:59:00.000 And if it doesn't turn around, there's, we don't, we don't have much hope.

01:59:07.000 And, you know, first of all, I want to thank you so, so much for not only having us on, but for bringing light to this situation.

01:59:17.000 And I have two of my family members that are being charged with felonies.

01:59:24.000 They witnessed the murder of Roseanne Boylan, and you'll be able to see that.

01:59:30.000 Lara Logan has done a wonderful job of just presenting what has actually happened during this January 6th debacle, really.

01:59:42.000 And so, she did interview my sons.

01:59:46.000 And, you know, my youngest son was 18 at the time.

01:59:53.000 And he's 21.

01:59:57.000 And really and truly, our lives have been put on hold for three, almost four years.

02:00:04.000 I mean, our lives have just been nothing but put on hold.

02:00:07.000 We can't go forward.

02:00:09.000 One of my sons really, he has a wonderful, wonderful girlfriend that he's had for many years.

02:00:17.000 He's wanted to propose to her and he feels like, you know,

02:00:22.000 I can't until I find out what's going to happen with this situation.

02:00:28.000 So it's like we're in this dark zone.

02:00:37.000 I don't even know how to put it.

02:00:40.000 But you can't really go forward.

02:00:42.000 You're stuck.

02:00:45.000 So tell people as well, it's obviously very heartbreaking and very sad, so you have four people in your family, so just explain to people who are watching, because a lot of the chat, there's chat questions coming in right now, and people want to know, are they in jail right now?

02:00:59.000 Are they at home?

02:01:00.000 No.

02:01:01.000 What is the situation with all four of your family members?

02:01:05.000 Well, and thank God they're all at home.

02:01:08.000 We are under pre-trial supervision, and you know,

02:01:12.000 They wanted to put my son Aaron in prison.

02:01:16.000 Now, Aaron is a veteran, and you will talk to him in a bit, I think.

02:01:21.000 But he's a veteran.

02:01:23.000 He fought in Iraq.

02:01:25.000 He fought in Afghanistan.

02:01:28.000 He was a corpsman in the Navy, so he was attached to a Marine unit.

02:01:35.000 And he saw young men being blown up in front of him.

02:01:42.000 I don't know.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, and it's like your son literally went overseas and combated, okay, as a war veteran, actual Muslim terrorists, okay? 0.96

02:02:04.000 So it's just so disrespectful because a lot of people right now who are in jail, who are in solitary confinement, and a lot of people who are being attacked by the federal government are veterans.

02:02:14.000 My friend Joe Bibbs, who they said was a proud boy, he was a combat veteran.

02:02:18.000 He's a Purple Heart.

02:02:21.000 He won the Purple Heart numerous times.

02:02:24.000 He has an infant daughter who he's barely been able to see because he had custody of his daughter.

02:02:28.000 And now this little girl basically grew up without a dad because from the time that she was a baby, her dad has been jailed.

02:02:36.000 And the fact

02:02:38.000 The fact that they're calling these people that actually actually either were in combat or killed Islamic terrorists overseas fighting for our freedoms.

02:02:48.000 It's just such an insult because these people know what real terrorists are.

02:02:52.000 They were trained by our United States government and our military to combat real terrorists and they put their lives on the line and could have been killed and now they're being jailed and they're being attacked and they're being maligned and I mean how are you surviving?

02:03:06.000 The legal fees amounting for four people.

02:03:10.000 I mean it's enough to bankrupt a household with just one J6 defendant let alone four. 1.00

02:03:15.000 How are you getting through this as a family?

02:03:19.000 Well, you know, we've had, John Pierce has been our attorney from the beginning.

02:03:27.000 I appreciate John, and I've talked to him many, many times.

02:03:32.000 I know that, you know, his name is Pierce, and I've told him many times, he will pierce the darkness.

02:03:39.000 God will use him to pierce the darkness.

02:03:45.000 You know, it's not so much that I put my trust in John Pierce.

02:03:49.000 I appreciate him.

02:03:50.000 I appreciate his team, Em and Roger Roots and, um, everyone that works with them.

02:03:56.000 I, I have the utmost respect for beyond anything I can tell you.

02:04:02.000 But I, I know that we must stand against tyranny.

02:04:07.000 And that's one of the things that I've seen with John.

02:04:10.000 He's stood.

02:04:11.000 And now has he run through some rough spots?

02:04:14.000 Well, yeah, we all have.

02:04:16.000 We've all come through some rough spots.

02:04:18.000 But the thing that I appreciate is the fact that he continues to fight.

02:04:26.000 And, and so, you know, for me, if we as a people can continue to fight together,

02:04:39.000 We're going to get our nation back, and we will.

02:04:41.000 We will win our nation back.

02:04:44.000 You know, you have a picture up now, and it's probably a little delayed, of my son.

02:04:49.000 Last year, October 5th of 2022, I lost my oldest son.

02:04:54.000 He passed away unexpectedly, and it's, you know, so we've had a lot of tragedy, but through it all, I have to say that God has been very gracious to us.

02:05:09.000 Gotten us not only through this but we have become stronger.

02:05:14.000 Now does that mean that our family is unscathed?

02:05:18.000 No.

02:05:19.000 My husband, now this is a guy that he's had eight strokes.

02:05:24.000 Bob Robert has had eight strokes and he in the morning he'll be in the shower.

02:05:34.000 Now mind you we've been rated twice.

02:05:38.000 April 9th of

02:05:40.000 2021 and then October 3rd of 2021.

02:05:46.000 So they came to my house twice.

02:05:48.000 The first time they came to 20 with 20 to 25, uh, agents, they banged in my door.

02:05:56.000 Um, you know, brought everybody out, uh, you know, and, and brought my son Jonah, uh, to jail and processed them.

02:06:06.000 Thank God he was released.

02:06:08.000 And he's under pre-trial supervision.

02:06:11.000 The second time they came, October 3rd, and my neighbors actually took videotapes and I've got some very unbelievable tapes of what they did and how they came to my house.

02:06:26.000 But they came with 50 to 60 agents.

02:06:31.000 50 to 60!

02:06:32.000 They had a SWAT team.

02:06:34.000 They had an MRAM with a battering ram in the front and a

02:06:38.000 And a machine gun, there was someone with a machine gun on top, into a quiet neighborhood in Minnesota.

02:06:47.000 And, you know, the purpose of this is to instill fear into the American people.

02:06:54.000 Now the first time that they came, I have to tell you, my neighbors were afraid.

02:06:58.000 They were, because, you know, okay, so I'm known as the Christmas cookie lady.

02:07:02.000 Every year I give my neighbors Christmas cookies.

02:07:04.000 All my neighbors.

02:07:06.000 And so they were watching, and oh my goodness, what's going on at Christmas Cookie Lady's house?

02:07:11.000 They didn't understand, no.

02:07:14.000 The second time that they came, my neighbors said, uh-uh, oh no.

02:07:18.000 This is, this is enough.

02:07:20.000 They tried to intimidate my neighbors.

02:07:23.000 You know, they would come out, my neighbors were coming out.

02:07:25.000 Now, mind you, this is six o'clock in the morning.

02:07:28.000 They have sirens, they have bullhorns, they're screaming, residents of 30840, you know, our address.

02:07:36.000 Um, come out with your hands up.

02:07:40.000 And this is in Minnesota, right?

02:07:41.000 I just want to make that very clear.

02:07:42.000 This is in Minnesota?

02:07:43.000 Yeah, so first of all, Minnesota, where in Minnesota do you live if you don't mind saying the city that you live in?

02:07:51.000 Lindstrom.

02:07:52.000 Okay, well, I've been to Minnesota, okay?

02:07:55.000 I did a lot of work exposing Ilhan Omar and a lot of the issues with the Islamification. 0.99

02:08:00.000 The FBI doesn't need to be going to the families of nice, you know, conservative Americans.

02:08:05.000 They have enough Somali Muslims that are terrorizing people in the streets of Minneapolis. 1.00

02:08:10.000 They have the number one ISIS recruitment location in the United States of America is Minneapolis. 0.84

02:08:15.000 They need to be focused on combating actual Islamic terrorism.

02:08:19.000 Okay, Minneapolis is where all the George Floyd riots happened.

02:08:21.000 You have all these Black Lives Matter people. 0.87

02:08:23.000 When are they going to get raided?

02:08:25.000 When are they going to get raided for all the damage that they did in Minnesota?

02:08:29.000 So, just to put it into perspective for everybody, because they want to terrorize this family and harass, you know, four of your family members.

02:08:36.000 But then, I've been to Minnesota and I've seen the fact that

02:08:41.000 You know, they have an Islamic center there called the Dar al-Farouk Islamic Center, and in the last few years there have been multiple cases of men attending this mosque trying to go to Syria and join ISIS, okay?

02:08:52.000 They have a serious Islamic terrorism problem in Minnesota.

02:08:56.000 The last thing they need to be focused on as feds is storming your home.

02:09:01.000 It just goes to show you the priorities of our government.

02:09:04.000 I mean, why are they not addressing actual terrorism threats?

02:09:08.000 They don't need to be going to people's homes like yours.

02:09:10.000 So, you know, we have a lot of people... Well, you know... Yeah, go ahead.

02:09:15.000 Sorry.

02:09:16.000 There's a great documentary you brought up, Minneapolis, and, you know, the mostly peaceful protests of 2020, which we all know is a sham.

02:09:26.000 Right.

02:09:27.000 But I have family members who witnessed

02:09:31.000 What happened in Minneapolis during that time?

02:09:35.000 And, you know, breaking into, you know, there's a wonderful documentary, it's by Alpha News, and it's called The Burning of Minneapolis, I think is what it's called.

02:09:51.000 And it's well worth the watch.

02:09:53.000 It's very true to what actually took place.

02:10:00.000 The people that participated in that were protected.

02:10:05.000 They're absolutely protected.

02:10:07.000 And our justice system is not a justice system.

02:10:12.000 It is, you know, they call it a two-tier system.

02:10:15.000 Well, it's worse than that.

02:10:18.000 You cannot have a 99.4, last I heard, now maybe it's different, a 99.4% conviction rate.

02:10:28.000 And have any equity in that, there just can't be.

02:10:33.000 And it doesn't matter, you know, maybe 60%, 50, 60%, but 99.4%.

02:10:41.000 And it doesn't matter who appointed these judges.

02:10:46.000 Right.

02:10:47.000 They're all, they're all doing the same thing.

02:10:51.000 They're convicting.

02:10:53.000 In fact, Monday,

02:10:57.000 Gabriel Garcia, who is an incredible, he was a captain in the military, was convicted in DC court in a very short period of time.

02:11:08.000 Now, he had a bench trial, and because he thought, well, I can't get a fair, you know, jury selection here, and a judge surely has to adhere to the law.

02:11:23.000 Well, it took a very short period of time.

02:11:25.000 For him to be convicted.

02:11:28.000 And, you know, he did nothing wrong.

02:11:31.000 Absolutely nothing wrong.

02:11:33.000 And, you know, and you're right, they're targeting military, they're targeting strong men, and many of them are men of God.

02:11:44.000 My children are truly, yep, the fall of Minneapolis is what it is.

02:11:53.000 Strong men of God are being targeted, and you wonder why.

02:11:57.000 They're trying to break down these young men, but the thing is, what Satan meant for evil, God meant for good, because it's strengthening them.

02:12:07.000 It's strengthening their resolve to stand for what's right, what's good, what's holy, and what's true.

02:12:17.000 And I have to say,

02:12:19.000 When we went to Washington, D.C., I'm going to say this, there is a great victory that occurred in the spiritual realm.

02:12:29.000 God was uplifted on that day.

02:12:31.000 The name of Jesus Christ was shouted.

02:12:38.000 There was prayer.

02:12:39.000 There was worship.

02:12:41.000 You couldn't walk down the sidewalk and people would stop and pray with you.

02:12:47.000 From all over the country, all over the world, really, the number of Chinese Americans that was there, and you don't hear this in the news, was astounding.

02:13:01.000 And they were like a well-oiled machine.

02:13:04.000 It was incredible.

02:13:06.000 They were standing up because they know what happened in China could happen here. 0.80

02:13:12.000 They fled China to come here. 1.00

02:13:17.000 And they were standing and saying, oh no, we're not going to stand idly by.

02:13:21.000 We can't.

02:13:22.000 Right.

02:13:22.000 Well, I have to say, American people, we cannot stand idly by.

02:13:30.000 We must stand.

02:13:32.000 We must stand.

02:13:34.000 And when we see this that's going on, we have to say something.

02:13:38.000 I have to tell you, people are uncomfortable when you talk about this.

02:13:41.000 Very uncomfortable.

02:13:44.000 I had somebody say to me the other day, this makes me uncomfortable.

02:13:48.000 Can I tell you something?

02:13:50.000 People need to be uncomfortable.

02:13:53.000 Well, you know what, Rosemary?

02:13:55.000 It makes me uncomfortable to know that the FBI is banging on people's doors and raiding Americans and veterans and calling veterans terrorists.

02:14:03.000 That's what makes me uncomfortable.

02:14:06.000 I don't know.

02:14:06.000 I think that people are in for a rude awakening and that's why I said in my monologue tonight, we're going to start force-feeding people this Thanksgiving.

02:14:14.000 We're going to start force-feeding them the truth because they need to hear it.

02:14:17.000 No more leaving politics away from the dinner table.

02:14:21.000 People need to start talking about this because we're going to lose our country and

02:14:25.000 We have a lot of other a lot of other J sixers and families like yours who are going to be joining us tonight. 1.00

02:14:31.000 And so I want to just, you know, give you a moment for last words.

02:14:35.000 Where can people go?

02:14:36.000 I know you have a give, send, go.

02:14:37.000 We showed that on the screen as well.

02:14:39.000 John is also representing you.

02:14:41.000 So people can also donate to your defense at nclu.org and click donate in the top right corner.

02:14:48.000 But also you have a give, send, go that we showed.

02:14:51.000 Is there anything else or how can people support you?

02:14:56.000 Well, I think the biggest thing that people can do is, yes, support NCLU.

02:15:01.000 John Pierce, you know, his team is fighting tooth and nail.

02:15:07.000 And, you know, we have to continue to fight together to be one in this.

02:15:13.000 And, you know, my sons, and you'll talk to a couple of them, I think, tonight.

02:15:19.000 And, you know, when this all first happened, yes, they lost their jobs.

02:15:27.000 And it's been tough.

02:15:28.000 It's been tough for us.

02:15:30.000 But I do have to say, God is gracious.

02:15:32.000 He's been good to us.

02:15:34.000 And, you know, we just continue in this fight.

02:15:37.000 And Laura, I so appreciate it.

02:15:40.000 I've listened to you a few times now.

02:15:44.000 And I appreciate your passion and your perseverance and your steadfastness.

02:15:50.000 And thank you so much.

02:15:52.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:15:53.000 You know, it's my pleasure and I have a responsibility in my opinion as somebody who has a very large platform.

02:16:01.000 I have never been, you know, I wasn't there on J six.

02:16:06.000 To be honest, I was out of the country because I kind of felt like they were setting people up and I didn't go.

02:16:11.000 Um, I just had this really strange feeling that they were going to try to set people up.

02:16:15.000 So I didn't go to Washington D. C. On J six.

02:16:19.000 Uh, but I know what it's like to be targeted by the government and I know what it's targeted to be.

02:16:22.000 I know what it's like to be targeted and silenced and so now that I have my account back and I have my Rumble Show launched, I do feel like I have a responsibility, uh, morally, right, to

02:16:34.000 Give a platform to those who are suffering and those who are being targeted because it is, it's a form of lawfare, but it's also a spiritual warfare, right?

02:16:42.000 So it's lawfare, but also it's spiritual warfare.

02:16:45.000 And I'm doing my part to try to raise awareness for people like you and your sons and your husband who are under attack, right?

02:16:52.000 It's really demonic energy.

02:16:52.000 It's demonic.

02:16:53.000 And I think that our country is like hypnotized right now under demonic, in my opinion, satanic energy.

02:17:00.000 I mean, I really honestly feel that way.

02:17:02.000 I don't know if you feel that way, but that's how I feel.

02:17:05.000 Oh yes, but here's the thing.

02:17:09.000 God is eternal, God is sovereign, and God has the last say.

02:17:14.000 If anybody wants to really sit in a wonderful portion of scripture for a little while, go to Isaiah 26.

02:17:22.000 It's just a wonderful portion of scripture just to sit for a little while.

02:17:30.000 And I do have to say that God is shaking this nation.

02:17:34.000 We must come to repentance.

02:17:37.000 All that's gone on, not only with our J6ers, but in the nation, you know, right is called wrong and wrong is called right. 1.00

02:17:47.000 When you have little babies being ripped out of the womb and little children having their private parts cut off and mutilated,

02:17:59.000 That is demonic, Laura.

02:18:00.000 That's so demonic.

02:18:02.000 So we must, as a nation, come to repentance.

02:18:07.000 I agree with you.

02:18:08.000 Well, thank you so much.

02:18:10.000 You know, God bless you.

02:18:11.000 I'm going to be praying for you and your family.

02:18:13.000 And I know you're in good hands with John as your attorney.

02:18:16.000 And I hope that people will contribute to your Give, Send, Go and that people will support you.

02:18:22.000 And I want to wish you and your family a happy Thanksgiving.

02:18:25.000 Oh, thank you so much.

02:18:27.000 You as well.

02:18:28.000 God bless you.

02:18:29.000 You too.

02:18:29.000 And hopefully, you know, you will be able to at least enjoy your holiday.

02:18:33.000 I know it's hard.

02:18:34.000 I mean, you know, it's hard to, you know, say Happy Thanksgiving.

02:18:39.000 And like I said on my monologue, it's hard to find things to be thankful for these days.

02:18:43.000 But I hope that while your family's being terrorized by the federal government, that you'll be able to at least, you know, maybe have a nice Thanksgiving and enjoy some time with your family.

02:18:53.000 Oh, we will.

02:18:54.000 Thank you so much.

02:18:55.000 God bless.

02:18:59.000 Well, that was Rosemary and just terrible, terrible, terrible things that are happening.

02:19:04.000 Rosemary Westbury out of Minnesota.

02:19:06.000 Four family members.

02:19:07.000 Can you imagine your sons, three of your sons and your husband being targeted by the federal government?

02:19:12.000 I mean, just the way that they're terrorizing these people.

02:19:16.000 The government, the FBI, it's out of control.

02:19:19.000 Oh, we have about 15 or so more J sixers. 1.00

02:19:22.000 So like I said, we're gonna be here all night long.

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02:23:53.000 Let's see what people are... Did I spill a little bit on my shirt?

02:23:56.000 I guess I did.

02:23:59.000 Let's see what some of the comments are.

02:23:59.000 Well, it's very good.

02:24:01.000 We agree, Laura is definitely spiritual warfare. 1.00

02:24:04.000 Someone said, you are funny, Laura.

02:24:08.000 Men were made for opening jars. 1.00

02:24:09.000 Yes, they were.

02:24:13.000 Yes, I'm a woman who can do it all, except open jars.

02:24:16.000 I need someone to help me with that.

02:24:21.000 Let's see.

02:24:27.000 MAGA and America First Movement will be a force to be reckoned with.

02:24:31.000 We the people will prevail.

02:24:33.000 Absolutely. 0.58

02:24:34.000 Flesh eating Satan worshippers is 100% Laura. 1.00

02:24:38.000 We didn't know and they got away with so much, but we know now and their time is up and they know it. 0.89

02:24:42.000 Yeah, it's satanic.

02:24:44.000 It's crazy.

02:24:51.000 Someone said, Laura and John are a dynamic duo.

02:24:54.000 Beautiful tonight.

02:24:55.000 Thank you so much for the nice compliments.

02:24:56.000 I really appreciate it.

02:24:58.000 Somebody said, hello, press secretary.

02:25:02.000 So before we get back, yeah, we'll get back right now.

02:25:04.000 John is coming back on and we're going to bring these J6ers back on as well. 1.00

02:25:08.000 But yeah, Mehdi Hassan, speaking of jihadists and actual people who should be probably deported and removed from our country.

02:25:15.000 He's one of these radical Muslim 1.00

02:25:18.000 Commentators on MSNBC and he had an entire meltdown on MSNBC yesterday.

02:25:23.000 They played it on Steve Bannon's war room today and just like you know him going crazy talking about how I was gonna be press secretary and who knows but we have John back so be sure if you're in the chat right now this is live okay so please retweet it post it on your social media because we want as many people as possible to listen and

02:25:42.000 And here are the stories.

02:25:43.000 We have about 15 more.

02:25:44.000 We're going to be here for a very long time.

02:25:46.000 It's 10.30 right now.

02:25:47.000 We're probably going to be here for several more hours now, going through, talking to these J6ers because it's important, okay? 1.00

02:25:54.000 And we have a lot to be thankful for, but we also are losing our country, and we can't just go eat cookies and eat turkey and eat pie and, you know,

02:26:03.000 Just think about the holiday, okay?

02:26:05.000 That's not what we're gonna do this Thanksgiving.

02:26:07.000 You need to think about all these poor, innocent people that are in solitary confinement who are having their lives destroyed, okay?

02:26:13.000 And these people are luckily represented by John, and we're gonna have some more of these callers call in soon.

02:26:20.000 I know people are connecting right now, but in the meantime, we really want everybody to

02:26:25.000 Watch this feed.

02:26:26.000 John, what do you think about that?

02:26:28.000 I know that, you know, you hear these stories all the time, but it's really just so heartbreaking.

02:26:33.000 It's absolutely heartbreaking when you hear these stories.

02:26:38.000 You know, absolutely heartbreaking.

02:26:41.000 Yeah, so first I want to say it's great to hear Rosemary's voice, and I definitely learned to listen to what she says, so it's great that you gave her an opportunity to speak to the American people right there.

02:26:54.000 But their situation, for example, is just heartbreaking.

02:26:57.000 I mean, it's almost like a Saving Private Ryan situation, where her husband, three of her children,

02:27:02.000 We're talking about veterans and her family has just been decimated by this.

02:27:07.000 You know, we've been very fortunate to keep Aaron James out of out of pretrial detention.

02:27:13.000 The government has tried to revoke his bond a couple times and we fought like heck and we succeeded in keeping him out of prison.

02:27:22.000 And so their trial is, I believe, February 12th of 2024.

02:27:26.000 It's going to be a big trial.

02:27:27.000 There are four defendants.

02:27:29.000 It involves multiple felony charges.

02:27:31.000 So, we need help.

02:27:33.000 These trials, as you know, Laura, are enormously expensive, and you're talking about four family members going through a major felony trial in federal court in D.C.

02:27:41.000 These folks need help.

02:27:42.000 So, whether it's going to their gifts and go, or going to the NCLU website.

02:27:47.000 And by the way, I just want to mention, in addition to hitting the donate button, which we'd love everybody to do, you can also join to become a monthly or annual recurring member.

02:27:57.000 Which will help sustain all these fights going forward.

02:27:59.000 And as you know, Laura, it's not just January 6th.

02:28:01.000 Obviously that's the main effort right now.

02:28:04.000 But there's your case.

02:28:06.000 There's Carter Page's FISA abuse case.

02:28:07.000 There's vaccine mandate litigation.

02:28:09.000 So there's all kinds of things going on in the country right now.

02:28:11.000 And we're at the forefront of all those.

02:28:13.000 Absolutely.

02:28:14.000 And again, that's nclu.org, nclu.org for people who want to donate.

02:28:21.000 I just think it's absolutely an abomination, you know, what's happening in this country and the fact that her son is a veteran and, you know, it's multiple sons and her husband that's being targeted.

02:28:30.000 It's just so awful.

02:28:31.000 But I know that we're going to have some more callers call in as well.

02:28:35.000 Now we have some of your other clients that are on the line.

02:28:39.000 And we're just going through we have the phone lines open.

02:28:41.000 So most of these people are your clients.

02:28:44.000 I think that I think there's going to be a few that may not be your clients.

02:28:48.000 So obviously, you know, for attorney ethics and whatnot, I'm not going to make you speak on on clients who

02:28:56.000 You know, are not your clients, but we did open the phone lines and we did make it a free for all tonight for J sixers who want to call in regardless of whether John is their attorney or not, so that people could tell their stories because there are a lot of people who are. 0.96

02:29:11.000 Unfortunately in solitary confinement, people locked up and people who are going through their trials right now, so I think we're going to.

02:29:18.000 We're going to get to our next

02:29:24.000 All right.

02:29:25.000 We have Jake.

02:29:26.000 Jake Lang is on the line.

02:29:28.000 Jake, can you hear me?

02:29:29.000 Hey, Laura.

02:29:32.000 God bless you.

02:29:33.000 How are you doing tonight?

02:29:34.000 How are you doing?

02:29:34.000 I'm doing well.

02:29:35.000 Ah, well, hey, as good as a political prisoner.

02:29:40.000 I've been in prison for a thousand days and a month now without a trial.

02:29:44.000 Could be doing.

02:29:44.000 God's grace is really all we need.

02:29:47.000 But, you know, justice is also definitely would be nice.

02:29:52.000 So a lot of people want to know, too.

02:29:53.000 I mean, you obviously have, you know, gotten a lot of notoriety online for, you know, talking to the media and also doing interviews from prison.

02:30:02.000 How are you able to do these interviews from prison as a J sixer? 1.00

02:30:06.000 Um, you know, while you're in prison because you're able to, it seems like do a lot of interviews and a lot of people want to know how that works.

02:30:16.000 Yeah, God opens up doors that no man can open, and He closes doors no man can close, too, but He's just enabled me to have a great support system.

02:30:25.000 We've got so many awesome brothers and sisters in Christ, and amazing patriots out there that kind of volunteer their time and help out.

02:30:33.000 My fiancée right now is connecting me through a three-way call.

02:30:37.000 I'm on the wall phone in my health care confinement prison cell here, and just making it happen.

02:30:45.000 Wow.

02:30:47.000 So that's really interesting.

02:30:48.000 So you're able to, from your prison phone, connect and then you're able to, because I know you had a podcast through Gateway Pundit, and so you were, you know, really able to get your message out and talk a lot about the treatment that you've, you know, sustained as a J6er. 1.00

02:31:05.000 And I think that it's really kind of like a

02:31:08.000 All right.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, we, you know, podcasts are audio only, so I just figured, I mean, I was locked up and locked up for three years, and I figured, you know, if I want to get my message out there, you know, we can do audio interviews, and I can also invite other people inside the patriot movement onto my podcast.

02:31:57.000 And so, you know, the Political Prisoner podcast has really taken off, actually.

02:32:02.000 Today my guest was Mike Lindell, and that episode will probably be out tomorrow or on Thanksgiving.

02:32:07.000 And you're praying a lot and stuff.

02:32:09.000 So, you know, we just keep on grinding.

02:32:11.000 And God's just continuing to bless everything we put our hand towards, including the new fundraiser that, you know, we started.

02:32:19.000 My organization that's been doing, I mean, phenomenal.

02:32:22.000 We've already got about 400 people, monthly subscribers basically, sponsors for the Jan Sixers.

02:32:29.000 We started a commissary fund.

02:32:31.000 And basically, you know, most of the Jan Sixers, they were the breadwinners in their homes.

02:32:36.000 And, you know, the FBI ripped them out of their homes and left a lot of young wives and kids at home. 1.00

02:32:41.000 And they can't afford to send hundreds of dollars in a month to pay for phone calls and, you know, email credits and hygiene products and food and stuff like that.

02:32:51.000 So we said, let's get behind the Jan Sixers. 0.97

02:32:53.000 Let's start a monthly commissary fund, which everybody, if you guys want to become a sponsor, we still need a lot more because they're arresting more Jan Sixers every day. 1.00

02:33:02.000 You guys can go to SponsorJ6.

02:33:05.000 And that animation there that Laura was talking about is on there, and it kind of explains what we do.

02:33:12.000 And it's just been a phenomenal resource for, you know, the 220 currently incarcerated January 6ers.

02:33:18.000 We send everybody $100 a month, and we're looking to grow that number.

02:33:24.000 You know, we need everybody's support out there.

02:33:26.000 So thank you for giving me the platform to talk about it tonight.

02:33:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:33:32.000 You know, I mean, like I said, it's Thanksgiving and, uh, what's it been like for you?

02:33:37.000 I mean, what are you, are you expecting to be spending Thanksgiving by yourself?

02:33:40.000 I mean, I know it sounds really awful to say, but I think that it's important for people to hear this because, uh, to put it into perspective, right?

02:33:46.000 Um, are you going to be by yourself in solitary confinement or what is your Thanksgiving looking like as a, as a political prisoner who's currently locked up?

02:33:56.000 Just making these phone calls from your prison phone.

02:33:59.000 What's Thanksgiving going to be like for political prisoner Jake Lang?

02:34:04.000 So this is my third Thanksgiving without a trial, incarcerated as a hostage of Joe Biden's tyrannical regime.

02:34:12.000 The FBI Gestapo ripped me out of my home and now I'm sitting 35 of the, well, I've been sitting for 35 months and 21 of those months have been in solitary confinement.

02:34:23.000 I'm back in solitary confinement.

02:34:25.000 They took me out of the main patriot pod, I'm in the basement of the D.C.

02:34:29.000 Gulag, and I will probably be here come Thanksgiving Day, and I'll try to have a little Bible study through the little food slot that they have in our prison cell door.

02:34:40.000 Basically, it's a slot that you would feed a dog through.

02:34:43.000 And I'll have my Thanksgiving dinner there, and I'll be praying, and I'll ask some of the other guys that are down here with me if they want to pray, and do a little Bible study on Thanksgiving.

02:34:52.000 You've got to be grateful for everything you've got.

02:34:55.000 I'm grateful to be on the phone with you guys and I'm going to be grateful to have a little food on Thanksgiving and call up my family and just take it easy from all the hard work and stuff we're doing.

02:35:07.000 Yeah, I mean it's really awful.

02:35:08.000 Count your blessings and be grateful.

02:35:11.000 You know, it makes me feel guilty because I was saying in my monologue that oftentimes I find myself complaining about minuscule things, right?

02:35:20.000 And I'm a perfectionist and sometimes I wake up and I beat myself up and I'm like, oh man.

02:35:25.000 You know, and I like mope around and I'm like...

02:35:28.000 You know, everybody does that.

02:35:29.000 I think sometimes right.

02:35:30.000 Everybody has their bad days.

02:35:31.000 But then I hear stories like yours or people, you know who are locked up or people who are going through these terrible times, and I think that, yeah, maybe I face adversity as well.

02:35:42.000 And it's hard to get over things that have been traumatic for you in your life, and we all struggle with it, right?

02:35:48.000 I'm trying to rebuild my life, but I'm not in a jail.

02:35:52.000 And it's just, I feel so heartbroken for people like you and all these other J6ers. 1.00

02:35:57.000 And so I just wanted to open up the lines tonight.

02:36:00.000 And, you know, you really, uh, you know, give me a lot of insight and make me want to do better and make me want to complain less, right?

02:36:07.000 And be grateful for the small things in my life and the big things as well.

02:36:11.000 It sounds like you're about to be disconnected.

02:36:13.000 Do you have anything else?

02:36:14.000 Where can people go to donate to you?

02:36:18.000 Well, I don't have a personal fundraiser, but that SponsorJ6.com site, if you want to play that animation for everybody that's watching, that would be awesome.

02:36:26.000 And, you know, the chance picture is we don't need a pity party.

02:36:29.000 We're patriots.

02:36:30.000 You know, we signed up.

02:36:31.000 When you stand up against tyranny, you sign up, basically, for this kind of thing.

02:36:35.000 And, you know, we didn't plan this out on January 6th, but any time you stand up against evil, this is the kind of thing.

02:36:41.000 So, freedom isn't free.

02:36:42.000 We know that.

02:36:43.000 We're not going to fold to the plea deals.

02:36:44.000 We're going to keep fighting.

02:36:46.000 Thank you, Laura, for standing beside us.

02:36:48.000 I appreciate it.

02:36:49.000 God bless everybody out there.

02:36:49.000 Happy Thanksgiving.

02:36:52.000 Thank you for using Global Telling!

02:36:56.000 Well, he just got disconnected that that was his prison phone.

02:37:00.000 So we had about 10 minutes and you saw right there that that just got disconnected.

02:37:04.000 So really sad.

02:37:06.000 He was wishing us a happy Thanksgiving.

02:37:07.000 I wanted to say happy Thanksgiving as well, but got disconnected and that's just the harsh reality of the situation you guys.

02:37:14.000 I mean, listen, this poor guy is in jail right now.

02:37:17.000 He's calling from a prison phone.

02:37:19.000 He's gonna be there for Thanksgiving and it's just sad, right?

02:37:22.000 I don't even know how we're going to connect with him again unless he's able to get on another call.

02:37:26.000 I don't know if he's even given another phone call, how many calls he's given per day.

02:37:30.000 But I know that we have a lot of J sixers told you we were going to hear from people who were in prison. 1.00

02:37:35.000 We were going to hear from people who are who have been jailed, who have been released, who are on trial, and you're going to hear their stories.

02:37:41.000 So it's just really sad.

02:37:43.000 He's not going to be with his family and his kids on Thanksgiving.

02:37:46.000 He's going to be doing a Bible study with other people in jail.

02:37:49.000 It's just really, really tragic.

02:37:50.000 What do you think about that, John?

02:37:54.000 I mean, it's hard to believe that this is the United States of America, is my reaction.

02:38:00.000 We have so many threats, real threats in the world.

02:38:04.000 What's happening, obviously, in the Middle East with the attack on Israel, what's happening on our southern border, the oligarch situation in Ukraine that we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on.

02:38:15.000 And this is what our FBI, this is what our Department of Justice, this is what our executive branch spends their time doing and spends their money doing.

02:38:22.000 It's sickening.

02:38:23.000 It's outrageous.

02:38:24.000 And I think the American people are finally starting to see through it and wake up.

02:38:27.000 And that's why Donald Trump, you know, has so much support.

02:38:31.000 He's not part of the unit party swamp.

02:38:32.000 He's not a career politician.

02:38:34.000 And he's going to fight for the people.

02:38:35.000 He's going to fight for J6ers. 1.00

02:38:38.000 Absolutely, and that's why we all have to support Trump.

02:38:40.000 We all have to support Trump because Trump is the only candidate, he's the only one, who's gonna pardon all of the J6ers, okay? 1.00

02:38:48.000 And Trump has said it, right?

02:38:50.000 He told me, okay, but, and I don't feel like I'm revealing anything personally here, okay?

02:38:55.000 But when I saw President Trump, right, he made a comment about, oh, it's so terrible what they're doing with these J6ers, and I don't feel like I'm releasing any private information about a conversation I have with President Trump because it's stuff that he said publicly, right? 1.00

02:39:07.000 If he hadn't said this publicly, maybe I would think differently, but I just know from, you know, being at events at Bedminster or being at events at Mar-a-Lago where he's met with J sixers, he has said right at these events and cameras were there, so I'm not revealing anything that's like. 1.00

02:39:22.000 I don't

02:39:39.000 Be pardoned when he gets into office while Ron DeSantis supporters and Ron DeSantis himself want them in jail, right?

02:39:47.000 You see Jeremy Redfern, the press secretary for Ron DeSantis, talking about how he's happy that Ashley Babbitt was assassinated.

02:39:53.000 Meanwhile, Donald Trump is talking about pardoning them and he's literally inviting J6ers to Mar-a-Lago, inviting organizations representing J6ers to Bedminster, 1.00

02:40:03.000 Having dinners for them.

02:40:05.000 He had his Justice for All.

02:40:06.000 Maybe the producer, we can get my producer to get that Justice for All song up too and we can play that song.

02:40:11.000 Donald Trump actually recorded a song called Justice for All.

02:40:14.000 It was the number one song on iTunes.

02:40:16.000 Okay, we'll play it now.

02:40:18.000 It's a beautiful song actually.

02:40:19.000 And as you know, all the J6 political prisoners at the Gulag 0.97

02:40:24.000 I want everybody to listen to this song.

02:40:25.000 It's a beautiful song.

02:40:42.000 And, um, you know, just it's sad.

02:40:45.000 I get, like, really emotional when I hear this song, and I know that Donald Trump often plays this song, too, as a national anthem whenever he has events, and I've been there.

02:40:53.000 I've seen it personally at Mar-a-Lago, where it's time for the national anthem, and they know that they do it every single night around a specific time, okay?

02:41:00.000 And Donald Trump, if he's there and people are there, he'll have his, uh, he'll, because he controls the music, actually.

02:41:05.000 It's really funny.

02:41:06.000 If you go to Mar-a-Lago, you see Trump on his iPad, and he's, like, Trump DJ, right?

02:41:10.000 And he will play the song!

02:41:11.000 And everybody stops, and they put their hand over their heart, and they listen to it, so we're gonna listen to it right now.

02:41:16.000 Justice for all.

02:41:17.000 Donald Trump.

02:41:23.000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

02:41:51.000 And to the Republic, for which it stands,

02:42:24.000 One nation, under God,

02:43:00.000 Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

02:43:17.000 You do the right thing!

02:43:21.000 You do the right thing!

02:43:23.000 You do the right thing!

02:43:32.000 So, really beautiful song, emotional, you know, it's really sad and it's just really awful.

02:43:38.000 I mean, I just, we're here having this Thanksgiving stream and a lot of these, a lot of these people are not going to have Thanksgiving.

02:43:44.000 They're not going to be able to afford it because of the situation they've been in.

02:43:47.000 The people you're hearing from tonight, they are in jail.

02:43:50.000 Just like, we literally just got disconnected from Jake Lang in real time and I wasn't even able to wish him a happy Thanksgiving because

02:43:57.000 The phone got disconnected because, well, he's in jail, right?

02:43:59.000 He's literally calling us as a political prisoner, and I just can't believe that this is America.

02:44:03.000 But we have another Jay Sixer who's on the line as well.

02:44:07.000 Like I said, we have about 20 people.

02:44:09.000 I think there's a few extras, actually, that got added because we originally said 18.

02:44:16.000 It looks like about 20 people or so tonight now.

02:44:19.000 We'll be here very late tonight.

02:44:20.000 It's going to be a mega stream.

02:44:22.000 Jeremy Rogers, Jay Sixer.

02:44:24.000 Can you hear me, Jeremy?

02:44:27.000 Yes, Laura, I can hear you.

02:44:28.000 Can you hear me?

02:44:29.000 Yes, I can hear you.

02:44:32.000 Thanks so much for calling in.

02:44:33.000 Happy Thanksgiving!

02:44:35.000 Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

02:44:37.000 Thank you.

02:44:39.000 So, you know, obviously there's a lot of people who are being targeted, and everybody has a different story.

02:44:45.000 And everybody who's calling in tonight, I just want them to kind of, you know, tell their story and, you know, your background, where you're from, how old you are, and how you found yourself, you know, as a political prisoner and a target by the DOJ, if you don't mind, from start to finish, explaining to people what happened to you.

02:45:02.000 And first, I just want to say thank you for hosting this and for having me on your program tonight.

02:45:02.000 Sure, Laura.

02:45:09.000 I really appreciate it.

02:45:10.000 Absolutely.

02:45:12.000 And I think, is John still on as well?

02:45:14.000 Yeah, John is here.

02:45:15.000 John, is this another one of your clients?

02:45:17.000 John?

02:45:18.000 Yep.

02:45:19.000 Yep, great.

02:45:20.000 I know some people were his clients and some weren't, so I'm just checking, you know, because I know John's constantly adding new J6ers, so this is one of your clients, John. 1.00

02:45:30.000 That's correct.

02:45:30.000 Jeremy.

02:45:32.000 Yes.

02:45:32.000 And thank you, John, for being on as well.

02:45:35.000 So my name, as you said, is Jeremy Rogers.

02:45:38.000 I just turned 29 a little over a month ago.

02:45:42.000 And my story really starts as far as the whole, um, started my interaction with the FBI and being charged, uh, related, you know, with, uh, with charges related to January 6th, back in December of last year.

02:45:57.000 I was an insurance agent at the time, and I had two FBI agents show up to my office and ask to talk to me, and I met with them in our conference room, and they told me that they wanted to ask me some questions about an ongoing investigation.

02:46:13.000 They did not tell me what it was about, but knowing what I knew about what had happened with General Flynn,

02:46:22.000 I knew enough to not talk to the FBI without an attorney present.

02:46:26.000 And so I told the FBI agents that I appreciated they had a job to do, but that I was not comfortable answering any questions without an attorney present.

02:46:35.000 And they thanked me, gave me a business card and asked me to have an attorney reach out to them.

02:46:40.000 So that very same day, I contacted one of my friends who was a lawyer.

02:46:46.000 I actually insured his law firm.

02:46:48.000 And he called the number that they'd given me that very same day.

02:46:53.000 And a few days later, we still hadn't heard back from them.

02:46:57.000 So he also sent them an email.

02:47:00.000 But two days after they came to my office, I was fired, I lost my job.

02:47:05.000 And that was right before Christmas of last year.

02:47:11.000 Uh, six months went by and we never heard back from the FBI.

02:47:15.000 They never contacted the attorney that I had reached out to them.

02:47:19.000 And, uh, because I'd lost my job, I ended up working, um, down South with my dad who, uh, happens to live in Florida.

02:47:27.000 We were working all over the South in Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, uh, cleaning restaurant hood.

02:47:34.000 And I believe it was the morning of June 28th.

02:47:36.000 I had just finished working all night long.

02:47:40.000 And my wife called me and told me that the FBI had executed a no-knock raid on our house at 6 a.m.

02:47:47.000 that morning.

02:47:49.000 And, um... The, uh... The FBI told my wife that, um, they'd been watching our house for some time, but also told her that they did not know that I was gone, which I found kind of interesting.

02:48:06.000 Either that was incompetence on their part, or it was intentional.

02:48:11.000 Anyway, long story short, my attorney that I had initially contacted called the U.S.

02:48:18.000 Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, just trying to find out what was going on.

02:48:23.000 Obviously, I wasn't there when they raided my house, and I was asked to turn myself in to the nearest FBI field office, which I did the next day, which was, I believe, Friday, June 29th.

02:48:35.000 I made an appearance, an initial appearance, before a judge in Orlando and was released the same day.

02:48:41.000 And then ended up having my arraignment on October 4th with John in Washington, D.C.

02:48:49.000 Wow.

02:48:50.000 So what's this been like, you know, for you as a professional and for you as a husband?

02:48:57.000 And do you have children?

02:49:01.000 I do.

02:49:02.000 And, you know, it's something that

02:49:03.000 Really upset me very much because I did what the two agents asked me to do when they showed up to my office, which was have an attorney contact them.

02:49:12.000 And at 6am on June 28, uh, I don't know, maybe a dozen agents showed up at my house and took my wife and my, at the time I had, my sons were three and, uh, just shy of two and, uh, took them out of our house at gunpoint and executed a search warrant on our house, trashed our house.

02:49:33.000 I broke my kid's toys.

02:49:35.000 And it was just a terrible experience.

02:49:40.000 And so what has it been like for you?

02:49:40.000 That's awful.

02:49:42.000 Did you lose your job or what?

02:49:43.000 How are you surviving right now?

02:49:45.000 I mean, does your wife work or is she a stay at home mom? 0.93

02:49:48.000 Like, how are you able to get through this?

02:49:49.000 Because obviously you look like, you know, a young professional.

02:49:52.000 You look very young.

02:49:53.000 You have young children.

02:49:54.000 And I mean, it's obviously like very hard financially.

02:49:57.000 How are you surviving?

02:50:00.000 Right, well, after the FBI raided my house and I was arrested and charged, I quit working down south to be closer to my family.

02:50:10.000 And my wife does work part time.

02:50:13.000 And fortunately, a friend of mine was able to get me a job working construction.

02:50:18.000 But it has been difficult.

02:50:19.000 You know, it's been through, we've gotten by, thankfully, because of some of our friends that have helped us out, just to be honest.

02:50:31.000 Um, and it's been a significant challenge.

02:50:35.000 Um, not something I ever thought I would say.

02:50:39.000 So it says that, okay, you live in Michigan, but you were arrested in Orlando.

02:50:45.000 Yes.

02:50:46.000 Yeah.

02:50:47.000 So how did they end up arresting you in Orlando if you live in Michigan?

02:50:52.000 Yeah, so I was working down south with my father and found out about the raid when my wife called me.

02:50:59.000 At the time, I was working just across the Florida state line in Georgia, and as soon as she called me, I immediately left my hotel and drove back down to my dad and my grandparents' house in the Orlando area and had contacted a friend of mine who was an attorney that I had already worked with a little bit on this after my initial visit from the FBI.

02:51:22.000 And the arrangements were made when I was asked to turn myself in, for me to turn myself in to the Orlando field office, the FBI field office in Orlando.

02:51:33.000 So that's how that came about.

02:51:35.000 Another Free State of Florida example right there, right?

02:51:39.000 Right.

02:51:40.000 Yeah, so, I mean, I'm looking at this graphic right now, okay, Jeremy?

02:51:47.000 It's just crazy.

02:51:48.000 I'm looking at you, this photo of you and your wife and your beautiful children, and there's this article.

02:51:54.000 We'll get it pulled up on the screen again, and it's hard to see with the graphic there, but it says, one of the FBI's most wanted capital attack suspects arrested in Orlando.

02:52:04.000 I mean, really, there's actual terrorists and pedophiles and really dangerous people in our country

02:52:11.000 There's illegal aliens who are murdering people, there's drug dealers, there's members of Congress that are involved in all types of, you know, bribery, scandals.

02:52:19.000 Like, look at Senator Menendez right now, and you're on the FBI Most Wanted list.

02:52:24.000 Like, how does it feel to wake up one morning and see yourself plastered on the FBI's Most Wanted list?

02:52:32.000 Laura, to be honest, it's unreal.

02:52:34.000 And it makes me upset because, you know, they call J6ers, and really what they mean is all Donald Trump supporters.

02:52:41.000 They want to call us all domestic terrorists.

02:52:44.000 They say we're a threat to democracy.

02:52:46.000 But, Laura, the real threat to democracy is the weaponization of our democratic institutions, like the FBI, the DOJ, our intelligence community, to persecute, intimidate, and silence political opposition.

02:53:02.000 That's the real threat to democracy.

02:53:04.000 Absolutely.

02:53:05.000 And so you're working now, you were able to find a job, but obviously it's very hard.

02:53:10.000 I mean, what are you going to be doing this Thanksgiving, if you don't mind me asking?

02:53:15.000 Well, you know, I have to say, Laura, I'm very thankful.

02:53:18.000 I was released the same day I turned myself in.

02:53:21.000 And I know that there are a lot of other defendants who literally have been rotting in jail since that very day.

02:53:28.000 And so I'm very grateful that I am out.

02:53:31.000 I have the ability to work.

02:53:33.000 And I have the ability to spend some time with my family this Thanksgiving, which I will be doing.

02:53:39.000 My wife and I and our children will be going to my grandparents' house and spending Thanksgiving there, here in Michigan.

02:53:46.000 What does your family think about this, aside from your wife?

02:53:50.000 How has it impacted your grandparents and your parents, and how has it impacted your ability to have relationships and friendships?

02:53:57.000 Because a lot of people I know lost their friends and they got excommunicated.

02:54:01.000 Are you finding that people in your community are supportive of you, or have you been isolated?

02:54:08.000 Well, thankfully, the vast majority of my family has been very supportive and been very helpful to

02:54:17.000 To me and my family, they've helped us with watching our kids, and my mom's been a huge support.

02:54:23.000 I think she's actually listening right now.

02:54:26.000 She watches our kids fairly often for us, and she lives just down the street.

02:54:32.000 You know, it's been a little disheartening, though.

02:54:35.000 Our community, it seems like people forget that in this country you are innocent unless proven guilty, and they just believe everything that they read in the papers and in the news.

02:54:47.000 I've found a lot of people that I know, unfortunately, I think just assume that I'm guilty of the charges, and I'm not.

02:54:56.000 You know, my background, Laura, was in politics.

02:55:01.000 I was campaign manager for my former state representative, Gary Glenn, who unfortunately passed away earlier this year from a years-long battle with prostate cancer.

02:55:12.000 That was in 2014.

02:55:15.000 I ended up working on our former Attorney General's gubernatorial campaign in 2018, Bill Schuette, and then spent two years working in the Michigan Senate for my state senator, who was chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Jim Thomas, and most of my friends, at least I thought they were my friends, a lot of my, you know, those people that I thought were my friends and even some of my former employers, essentially just threw me under the bus.

02:55:43.000 And it makes me upset, Laura, because what do Democrats do when one of their own is attacked, either legally or in the media?

02:55:52.000 They rally around them, even when they actually are terrorists, like Rashida Tlaib.

02:55:56.000 You know, like, they accuse you of being a terrorist.

02:55:56.000 Correct.

02:55:58.000 And then meanwhile, we have like an actual jihadist member of Congress. 0.66

02:56:02.000 We have two, actually.

02:56:03.000 And from Michigan.

02:56:04.000 You live in Michigan.

02:56:05.000 I mean, this lady comes from your state. 1.00

02:56:07.000 And it's like, this lady

02:56:09.000 I don't know.

02:56:30.000 They have enough actual terrorists that they could be investigating in places like Dearborn and Hamtramck and Detroit and a lot of crime, actually, a lot of crime.

02:56:39.000 And they're going after people like you and trying to destroy your home and you said they broke your children's toys?

02:56:46.000 Yeah, I mean, my children tend to dump all of their toys on the floor and, you know, the morning that the FBI raided our house while I was gone,

02:56:58.000 Um, my, my children had toys on the living room floor and the FBI didn't bother to like, you know, move them out of the way.

02:57:04.000 Would have been a pretty easy thing to do.

02:57:05.000 They just walked all over things.

02:57:07.000 And, and Laura, I even had an American flag, uh, that I, uh, don't have a flagpole for at the moment.

02:57:13.000 It was hanging on a hanger in my closet.

02:57:15.000 They threw it on the floor in one of our bedrooms.

02:57:19.000 Uh, which to me is shocking.

02:57:20.000 That's not something I would do.

02:57:21.000 I consider that disrespectful to the flag.

02:57:25.000 And, you know, it's just been a crazy experience.

02:57:30.000 Terrible.

02:57:30.000 Yeah, I see this, uh, this article from the Midland Daily News.

02:57:33.000 Former Kyle Brittenhouse lawyer to represent Jeremy Rogers on J6 charges from July of this year.

02:57:38.000 And so, yeah, John, you know, John, who is obviously, you know, your lawyer, and he's been the lawyer, he's my lawyer, but he's also a lawyer for many, all the J6ers, if not, you know, most of them that we're going to be hearing from tonight. 1.00

02:57:51.000 He was Kyle Brittenhouse's attorney, right?

02:57:53.000 And so he has a lot of experience dealing with high profile clients and

02:57:58.000 You know, political persecution because Kyle Rittenhouse is another individual who, of course, I mean, he's represented Rudy Giuliani, Carter Page, so many people.

02:58:06.000 And it just seems like there's this trend.

02:58:08.000 So whether you're an ordinary American like yourself or you're high profile or even the president of the United States, they feel so emboldened.

02:58:15.000 Right, the DOJ feels so emboldened to attack anybody and nobody's safe, right?

02:58:20.000 And that's what everybody needs to understand is that this is what's on the line ahead of 2024.

02:58:25.000 And so I just want to know, like, are you still a Trump supporter?

02:58:28.000 Are you still going to be supporting Trump going into the 2024 election despite your experiences?

02:58:35.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:58:37.000 I support Donald Trump.

02:58:38.000 I actually was a 2020 Republican National Delegate.

02:58:43.000 That was supposed to go to the, you know, the Republican National Convention.

02:58:47.000 Unfortunately, that was canceled.

02:58:49.000 But I absolutely still support Donald Trump.

02:58:52.000 And if I am still a free man, I plan on casting my vote for Donald Trump in 2024.

02:58:58.000 And, you know, you mentioned, Laura, about visiting Dearborn and seeing ISIS flags flying.

02:59:03.000 And, you know, I've watched the news recently, and I know you follow this as well, but

02:59:10.000 No.

02:59:27.000 And it was like a literal Hamas erection. 0.92

02:59:29.000 I mean, they went inside the United States Capitol and they actually assaulted police. 0.94

02:59:33.000 I mean, I doubt you assaulted anybody.

02:59:35.000 And you see these people, members of Congress, they had to go on lockdown the other day because they went into the DMC headquarters, these Hamas supporters.

02:59:43.000 And you're right.

02:59:44.000 You're right.

02:59:45.000 It's just such a double standard.

02:59:46.000 And the fact that you can be jailed or you can be arrested or have your home raided and somebody like Rashida Tlaib, what, is she going to get raided in Michigan too?

02:59:55.000 Listen, she's the one that incited an actual insurrection inside Congress with Hamas supporters. 0.98

03:00:00.000 So, it's just such a double standard, and I just wanted to give you an opportunity to share your story, because so many people are, you know, it's not that you're forgotten, but so many of these Republicans now, they think, oh, well, we're going to release the tapes.

03:00:13.000 They haven't really released all of them.

03:00:14.000 What do you think, also?

03:00:15.000 How do you feel as a J6-er about 1.00

03:00:17.000 You know, Speaker Johnson and the Republicans saying that they've released the tapes and now all of a sudden, three years later, right, Jeremy, they all of a sudden have this newfound outrage about the J6 committee.

03:00:27.000 I mean, you say your background's in politics, so what does it make you think and how does it make you feel?

03:00:34.000 I just think it's very disingenuous of the Republican Party to pretend like they didn't know that, oh, you didn't know for three years, even though there's a million tapes already released by people, that the police let people inside?

03:00:44.000 I mean, give me a break.

03:00:47.000 Right.

03:00:47.000 Well, and I think John already mentioned this earlier, but the Republicans control the United States House of Representatives.

03:00:56.000 They control the purse strings.

03:00:58.000 So if they actually want to do something about this, cut the funding to the FBI and to these

03:01:05.000 Uh, to the DOJ for, you know, these prosecutions tomorrow.

03:01:09.000 I'd love to see the FBI's line item budget be zero, zero, zero.

03:01:15.000 That's not easy.

03:01:15.000 I know, right?

03:01:16.000 They don't want to do it though. 0.99

03:01:17.000 They don't want to do it because they don't have the balls to do it. 0.95

03:01:20.000 And they just gave $300 million more. 0.95

03:01:22.000 So you're absolutely right. 1.00

03:01:24.000 But you know what the stupid ass Republicans are doing right now in Congress, Jeremy? 1.00

03:01:27.000 They just allocated $300 million more so that the FBI can have a headquarter office the size of the Pentagon. 1.00

03:01:33.000 Or actually bigger than the Pentagon.

03:01:34.000 That's what they're saying.

03:01:35.000 It's bigger!

03:01:36.000 It's bigger!

03:01:37.000 Because we really need to have an FBI be bigger than the Pentagon headquarters.

03:01:41.000 Look, we have a Republican-controlled House, okay, and these are, you had 70 Republicans that voted against an amendment, okay, two weeks ago, that would have killed off the $300 million of extra funding.

03:01:52.000 But the Republicans, they see what's happening, right?

03:01:55.000 They can't say that they want an investigation into the J6 committee, and then simultaneously say, oh yeah, yeah, we're gonna get $300 million to the FBI so that they can go expand their operations and go target more people.

03:02:06.000 Right.

03:02:09.000 Can't have it both ways.

03:02:09.000 I agree with you.

03:02:11.000 Right.

03:02:12.000 Well, and Laura, a common theme from some of the interviews that you've already done this evening that I've heard is that we've got to fight this fight together.

03:02:20.000 And Jesse, I think who you interviewed earlier tonight, said that.

03:02:24.000 And it reminds me of that quote from Benjamin Franklin, that we must all indeed hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.

03:02:35.000 And I think often about our founding fathers and the challenges that they faced.

03:02:40.000 Well, you know, in reality, what J6 defendants are facing is small potatoes compared to what our founding fathers were facing when they signed the Declaration of Independence, essentially committing treason against Great Britain. 0.87

03:02:54.000 And so I often think about the sacrifices that they made and the closing line of the Declaration of Independence, which

03:03:03.000 Which is we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

03:03:08.000 And we need Americans to come together today.

03:03:12.000 And to fight back against the tyranny that we're all witnessing.

03:03:16.000 Absolutely.

03:03:18.000 And I hope that people watching will pledge their fortune, okay?

03:03:23.000 And I'm asking everybody watching to donate to somebody.

03:03:27.000 You know, obviously we can't donate to everybody tonight.

03:03:30.000 Not everybody can afford to donate to every single person.

03:03:32.000 Or maybe you can, right?

03:03:33.000 Maybe you can give $5, $10, $20, $15 to every person on tonight.

03:03:38.000 Find it in yourself to donate to at least one, right?

03:03:42.000 All of these people have compelling stories, and all of these people are victims of a weaponized government, but they all need to raise money for their legal defense.

03:03:50.000 They all need to be supported, and we all need to support them, because if we don't start fighting back so these people can have victories in court, okay, then they're gonna come after us as well.

03:04:00.000 They can do this to Trump, which they're doing, and they can do it to all these innocent people who are on my show tonight.

03:04:05.000 Imagine what they're gonna do to you.

03:04:07.000 Maybe you don't go to the Capitol.

03:04:09.000 Maybe you just say you support Trump.

03:04:11.000 Are you going to get your door knocked in because you support Trump?

03:04:14.000 You never know, right?

03:04:15.000 This is what four more years of an illegitimate presidency under Joe Biden in a communist America is going to look like, you guys.

03:04:22.000 So you got to start putting your money where your mouth is and start supporting people financially.

03:04:27.000 So I hope that people, when they're sitting at their tables this weekend and they're eating their pie and they're talking about things that

03:04:33.000 You know, not to sound crass, but things that don't matter. 0.96

03:04:38.000 A lot of people talk about stupid things at the dinner table because they don't want to talk about politics. 0.98

03:04:41.000 Like, I hope people are actually going to talk about things that matter, right? 0.99

03:04:45.000 Like politics and the persecution of people in our country, because it's important. 1.00

03:04:49.000 And you people say, oh, you know, they make all these jokes, Jeremy, about, oh, no politics at the dinner table.

03:04:55.000 No, it's time.

03:04:57.000 I said in my monologue, it's time to start force-feeding your family members' politics, because if people don't wake up and they don't understand, by this time next year, right, by Thanksgiving 2024, the election's gonna be over.

03:05:08.000 So who knows if we're even gonna have a Thanksgiving?

03:05:10.000 This might be all of our last Thanksgiving if we don't have a country, because we're not going to have a country in 2024 if Donald Trump isn't re-elected again.

03:05:18.000 Right.

03:05:22.000 So that's personally how I feel about it.

03:05:27.000 Laura, if I may, I'm sure that there are others that you need to get to to interview, but there's one other quote I would love to share with you that I feel like is appropriate given the circumstances our country is facing right now.

03:05:42.000 And ironically, it comes from a left-wing journalist from back in the 50s, Edward R. Murrow.

03:05:49.000 That we must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.

03:05:53.000 We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

03:06:01.000 We will not walk in fear one of another.

03:06:04.000 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine.

03:06:10.000 And remember, we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak,

03:06:16.000 It's beautiful.

03:06:23.000 Well, you know, it's, uh, very powerful stuff, and I really want to thank you for coming on tonight, Jeremy, and I hope that you're able to find some.

03:06:32.000 You know, enjoyable time with your family and that people can continue to support you.

03:06:36.000 We showed your gifts and go on the screen there.

03:06:38.000 Is there any other place where people can donate to you?

03:06:40.000 Or is that the main

03:06:46.000 Thank you again, Laura, so much for having me on.

03:06:49.000 I really appreciate it.

03:06:50.000 Absolutely.

03:06:51.000 And where can people follow you?

03:06:52.000 Or where can people, aside from this GiveSendGo, where can people support you or read more about your case?

03:07:00.000 Honestly, I don't really have a lot of social media.

03:07:03.000 I'm on Facebook.

03:07:05.000 But primarily, the GiveSendGo is the best place to

03:07:10.000 Contribute if people feel led to do so.

03:07:13.000 Or NCLU as well.

03:07:14.000 NCLU or the Gibson Go.

03:07:16.000 Yep.

03:07:17.000 Because you are represented by John.

03:07:18.000 So great.

03:07:19.000 Okay.

03:07:20.000 Well, I hope you and your family have a happy Thanksgiving.

03:07:25.000 Thank you very much for your time.

03:07:26.000 And happy Thanksgiving to you.

03:07:28.000 Yeah, thank you.

03:07:30.000 Alright.

03:07:32.000 That was Jeremy Rogers out of Michigan.

03:07:34.000 J6er. 1.00

03:07:38.000 Really terrible sad stories, you guys.

03:07:40.000 I know we have John here.

03:07:41.000 So, John, that's, uh, yeah, it's just so terrible.

03:07:45.000 They broke his toddler's toys and they put the American flag on the ground.

03:07:49.000 I mean, where do these people draw the line?

03:07:51.000 Do they have any sense of decency whatsoever?

03:07:54.000 Is there any code of decorum at the FBI?

03:07:56.000 Yeah, you know, uh,

03:08:00.000 Laura, I can't talk about the specific cases themselves in terms of the merits of the cases, but I can talk about these raids.

03:08:08.000 It's just sickening.

03:08:10.000 It's outrageous.

03:08:11.000 These individuals who are conducting these raids, they should

03:08:15.000 They should be ashamed of themselves.

03:08:17.000 You know, and I got to tell you personally that if, you know, I found myself in the FBI at a young age, say, for example, after the military and this kind of thing started to happen, I would resign immediately.

03:08:27.000 And so I think, you know, we should see more people like Steve Friend and Cal Cerf and who were, you know, stepping out of that organization and speaking up for what's actually happening there.

03:08:37.000 Absolutely.

03:08:38.000 Well, we have another caller on right now.

03:08:41.000 We have Ruth Cusick, who is calling in right now.

03:08:46.000 So I guess we're going to get Ruth on the line.

03:08:48.000 Ruth, can you hear me?

03:08:51.000 Hi.

03:08:51.000 Yes, I can hear you.

03:08:53.000 Oh, wonderful.

03:08:53.000 Thank you so much for calling in.

03:08:55.000 And your husband is currently in jail, correct?

03:09:01.000 Yes.

03:09:02.000 Yes, that's correct.

03:09:05.000 He's been in there for

03:09:08.000 Tomorrow will be, well later today since they're going to be on here until morning time.

03:09:15.000 Friday will be, or night day will be tomorrow.

03:09:20.000 Well, if you can just maybe tell us, you know, start to finish.

03:09:24.000 I know I'm trying to give everybody about 10 to 15 minutes to tell their story because we have, you know, we have like a ton of J sixers on tonight. 1.00

03:09:31.000 If you could give us, you know, give us a rundown of what happened.

03:09:35.000 It's my understanding that you also live in your another Florida J six family. 1.00

03:09:40.000 Just tell us kind of what happened to you and your family.

03:09:43.000 Yeah.

03:09:46.000 So, um, my name is Ruth Cusick and Casey Cusick is my husband.

03:09:51.000 Um, we, at the time of the arrest, we lived in Florida.

03:09:56.000 Um, and the day our life, like somebody said earlier, was turned upside down was June of 2021.

03:10:04.000 Um, that's when the FBI came to our home and, um, they came with, you know, guns, everything.

03:10:13.000 Right at our home AR-15s and, um, early, early in the morning.

03:10:19.000 And, um, my.

03:10:21.000 Two little girls witnessed everything.

03:10:23.000 So, um, I mean, mentally, emotionally, and it's been rough.

03:10:33.000 I mean, for me as a mom to just, like, navigate this whole, you know, everything, this insanity, really.

03:10:42.000 And you guys are a church family, it's my understanding, right?

03:10:45.000 I mean, if you could get into this as well, if you don't mind, because the headlines here, if we pull this up on the screen, I want the producer to put that back on the screen right there so that everybody can see it.

03:10:55.000 It says, father and son, both pastors at Melbourne Church and church member guilty in J6 riot.

03:11:03.000 Yes.

03:11:04.000 So your father, and I believe then it would be your...

03:11:11.000 Your son are both pastors, and so, you know, how has this impacted your life, your life in the church?

03:11:18.000 And have people been accepting of you?

03:11:21.000 Have you been ostracized in your community?

03:11:23.000 And, you know, just goes to show you, our government is literally locking up pastors, okay?

03:11:28.000 You heard these terrible stories.

03:11:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:11:30.000 It's just so, you know, like I said in my monologue, it's

03:11:34.000 I don't want to sound like an angry, but I don't really feel thankful to be an American these days.

03:11:39.000 And I know that sounds really rough to say, I want to be thankful, I want to be proud to be an American again, but I don't really feel thankful or proud to be an American these days.

03:11:47.000 I really don't.

03:11:48.000 And J6 was the tipping point for me.

03:11:50.000 When I had to go to D.C.

03:11:52.000 and see friends of mine get, you know, taken away or sentenced to jail for 20 years, that's when I realized I don't feel proud to be an American right now.

03:12:00.000 I just don't.

03:12:01.000 And I can't.

03:12:02.000 It's a really tough pill to swallow when you're, you know, singing the national anthem and, you know, you're talking about the land of the free and the home of the brave.

03:12:09.000 Like, we are not living in a free country.

03:12:11.000 We're not. 0.99

03:12:12.000 This is not a free America, and I don't care what people say, like, this is not bravery being exemplified by these disgusting federal agents who are behaving like pigs. 0.88

03:12:22.000 And I don't mean to sound like one of these, like, BLM or Antifa people going around calling police officers pigs, because there's a lot of really nice police officers out there that are, you know, good people, and I'm sure there's some good people in the FBI as well. 0.96

03:12:36.000 But it's time for them to stand up, because this is really, like, piggish behavior. 1.00

03:12:41.000 Right.

03:12:42.000 It is.

03:12:43.000 I mean, we had the officers that came to our house, um, they were, I mean, they did break our, um, our furniture and even like we caught one of them on video, like laughing about it.

03:13:01.000 And, um, there were other ones that were trying to be mindful, you know, of my girls and

03:13:07.000 Um, just, you know, the whole scenario not being traumatizing for them, even though just everything was.

03:13:12.000 We even got my, I, I, I mean, as soon as I saw, like, with a ring doorbell, which my husband installed, like, the night before, just coincidentally, um, we got on, on video, like, my little girl saying, Mommy, why are they lost in Daddy's hands?

03:13:30.000 And that was a hard moment for me as, you know, a mom.

03:13:33.000 Like, what do you say?

03:13:35.000 When your husband really did nothing wrong, and all that is shown to kids on TV shows, or just, you know, cops get the bad guys.

03:13:44.000 So what did you tell your daughter when she asked you, Mommy, why is Daddy getting hooked up?

03:13:49.000 Well, I was like, in the moment, I didn't know what to say, first of all.

03:13:52.000 But I said, Honey, I think right now they're just going to take a look inside.

03:13:56.000 I just basically told her the facts of what was happening.

03:14:02.000 And then from there we've taken it and like now that she's, I mean now she's six years old and so she understands fully a lot of what normally a six-year-old would not even like be, you know, come to the knowledge of because when you're that age like you're not worried about your, you know, your government coming to your house and taking your father away from you like that.

03:14:30.000 So what has it been like in your community?

03:14:32.000 Because obviously you're a Florida family, and you know, we're hearing from a lot of Florida families, a lot of Florida J6ers. 1.00

03:14:38.000 I don't really feel like Florida's so free.

03:14:40.000 I don't know, did you ever reach out to Ron DeSantis' office for help when this whole thing went down?

03:14:46.000 We did not.

03:14:47.000 No, we did not think to do that.

03:14:50.000 But our community, Casey was actually working for, in real estate with somebody local there,

03:15:00.000 Um, he kind of just, you know, ghosted him.

03:15:03.000 And so that's where he lost his job.

03:15:08.000 So financially, it's been, it's been rough.

03:15:10.000 And we've been doing, I've been working part time here and there to just like, you know, stay afloat.

03:15:18.000 It's like you've been saying with, you know, earlier interviews, it's, it's

03:15:23.000 You're just an average American law-abiding family, and that's who they're going after.

03:15:41.000 They're literally going after Vietnam veterans, Purple Heart, people who were awarded the Purple Heart and the Gold Star.

03:15:49.000 This is shameful!

03:15:50.000 I mean, people should be ashamed.

03:15:52.000 I'm not saying... I don't want to sound like a leftist when I say this, but

03:15:58.000 People should be ashamed of what their country has become.

03:16:02.000 How can anybody be proud to be an American right now when you see that they are targeting Vietnam veterans and people who have been awarded Purple Hearts and Gold Stars?

03:16:11.000 It's disgusting.

03:16:12.000 And I just want everybody to think about this over Thanksgiving because we can't forget about these people.

03:16:17.000 And he's currently in jail, correct?

03:16:21.000 Yes, he's currently in jail.

03:16:22.000 I've been able to stay in contact with him.

03:16:25.000 Yeah, the calls are 15 minutes long.

03:16:28.000 Um, and I think they get, well, at least he gets two calls a day.

03:16:34.000 And even just in the 15 minutes, though, half the time I'm trying to decipher what he's saying because it's cutting in and out, like, super badly.

03:16:43.000 The first time you're, I guess, how, who are you going to be spending Thanksgiving with?

03:16:49.000 Well, thankfully, um, they're not keeping him over Thanksgiving, you know, over the weekend and the holidays.

03:16:56.000 Um, I'm actually going to be picking him up in a few hours.

03:16:59.000 I'm going to be leaving here at like one, one central, uh, standard time to go pick him up, um, from jail.

03:17:11.000 Wow.

03:17:12.000 Terrible.

03:17:12.000 Yeah.

03:17:14.000 Yes.

03:17:15.000 And so even,

03:17:16.000 In the two years, though, that we were waiting for a trial date, like, and so that's why, as I'm listening to all these other stories, I'm like, I understand every single thing that you are saying, and it is so true that, like, in that time, you're just, like, in this, like, void.

03:17:34.000 It's like, you're not, your feet are not on, like, you're just, like, up in the air.

03:17:41.000 You know, you can't move forward, and it's a really weird place to be in.

03:17:47.000 I don't know.

03:18:00.000 Your average American, like anybody that you see at the grocery store, they don't know any of that because they don't want to look at it.

03:18:09.000 They don't want to know about it.

03:18:11.000 They don't want to know.

03:18:13.000 And it's terrible here.

03:18:14.000 You look at this Gateway Pundit article.

03:18:15.000 Police helped elderly pastor and his son find the bathroom in the Capitol building on J6.

03:18:20.000 Your dad was there because well, he needed to use the bathroom.

03:18:24.000 It's not like he was trying to do anything wrong He just had to he had to pee really bad, you know And he looked for the bathroom and the police were helping him and now they are facing three years in prison perhaps It's just it's disgusting, you know, because they're on video and if the police really thought they were a threat they wouldn't be leading them to the bathroom right and this is a problem that I've seen and

03:18:44.000 Time and time again, and it's just really shameful behavior by our federal government and the DOJ.

03:18:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:18:53.000 I mean, in the time that they went in, it was when, you know, everything was open.

03:18:58.000 People were walking in and out.

03:19:00.000 Like, I mean, my father-in-law had his hands in his pocket, in his pocket when he walked in, and they were saying that he violently entered the Capitol.

03:19:10.000 And just like sitting through trial and listening to prosecution just like over and over paint this narrative and like ignore literal facts is it was it was really hard and Then to be convicted and then and then to be convicted 10 days was just like an inconvenience to everybody around even when we went to drop my husband off and

03:19:38.000 Last week, they were like, why?

03:19:41.000 Why use taxpayer, you know, money to do this?

03:19:46.000 And not just this, but like, for the whole investigation, just everything.

03:19:50.000 It really was crazy.

03:19:53.000 But what and then I have a lot of, like mom, with young kids, they're like, I don't even understand how you're

03:20:00.000 I don't know.

03:20:22.000 I've been able to do it, and even Casey's been able to do it.

03:20:25.000 He has started, or after the FBI came to our house, he started a podcast.

03:20:32.000 It's called the Watchmen Podcast, and it's a biblical outlook at what's going on politically in the world today.

03:20:38.000 And for anybody out there that might need some encouragement, and just like, you know, you want to be informed, and you want to know what's going on.

03:20:46.000 At the same time, you want to be able to handle it.

03:20:51.000 Being in prayer and just like keeping yourself lifted up in the word and encouraged is the way to do it, is the way to go.

03:21:01.000 And so that's what he does.

03:21:02.000 He helps people do that.

03:21:05.000 And he brings encouragement to a subject that a lot of people try to avoid, like you say.

03:21:12.000 But for like, since

03:21:15.000 2020, I've been saying, like, we need to start talking about politics.

03:21:19.000 Like, stop ignoring politics, you know, in the holidays.

03:21:23.000 Like, even with just your everyday living, your regular friends that some might feel awkward in the moment, but it's needed at this point.

03:21:33.000 You can't, there's no other way.

03:21:35.000 I mean, you can't trust

03:21:37.000 You can't rely on the government, you know?

03:21:41.000 Well, how can people support you and donate?

03:21:43.000 Because I know you guys have a Give, Send, Go.

03:21:45.000 We have that pulled up on the family.

03:21:47.000 And then, of course, that NCLU as well, the Cusick Family Give, Send, Go.

03:21:51.000 So is that the best way or where else can people donate?

03:21:55.000 I know NCLU.org as well.

03:21:57.000 Do you have anything else?

03:21:58.000 Yeah.

03:22:01.000 All of the places that you mentioned, that right there is our

03:22:05.000 Thank you so much.

03:22:20.000 Um, you can also go to Rumble and subscribe to his channel.

03:22:23.000 There's, like, uh, an option for, like, monthly giving.

03:22:26.000 Um... And John Pierce is, uh, your attorney, correct?

03:22:30.000 Yes.

03:22:31.000 Yes, yes, yes.

03:22:32.000 And he's, he's so wonderful.

03:22:34.000 He... We have John on now still.

03:22:38.000 Yeah.

03:22:39.000 Hey, John, are you there?

03:22:39.000 You wanna, you wanna say anything?

03:22:41.000 We can bring you back on screen as well.

03:22:44.000 Oh, sure.

03:22:44.000 No, look, the Cusick family, it's really just a perfect example of just how unbelievable this is.

03:22:53.000 I mean, Ruth has three, you know, amazing, beautiful young children.

03:22:57.000 You know, two of them, I believe, were put through that horrible experience of, you know, the FBI raid.

03:23:05.000 The idea that the U.S.

03:23:07.000 government, who is supposed to serve us as we the people, is doing this and terrorizing children with AR-15s and red laser dots.

03:23:19.000 It leaves one speechless and so this is an amazing family.

03:23:22.000 I can't tell you how strong Ruth is and you know Jim's daughter Stacy and Katie and fortunately they just got 10 days and I think they're both going to be out tomorrow and they'll be able to enjoy Thanksgiving with their families.

03:23:35.000 That's beautiful at least they'll be able to be out right before Thanksgiving so that's really great and thanks to you right because they were facing potentially three years and you got them what 10 days?

03:23:46.000 Yeah, so they were convicted of four misdemeanor counts.

03:23:49.000 We felt like we put an extremely strong case and we were disappointed with the conviction.

03:23:54.000 But I think we did put forward a lot of evidence that showed Judge Bates that what they did was very far down the range of culpable conduct with respect to their actions.

03:24:08.000 Just kind of walked in and out for ten minutes.

03:24:11.000 You know, fortunately, instead of getting the seven or nine months that the Department of Justice was asking for, we got them ten days.

03:24:17.000 And so, you know, one of the things I think your viewers need to understand is the Department of Justice is seeking, you know, extremely hefty sentences for people that are just convicted of essentially misdemeanor trespassing.

03:24:31.000 Absolutely.

03:24:31.000 Well, I want to thank you for coming on.

03:24:34.000 We have a lot more people tonight as well, so it's a marathon, it's a Trump-a-thon, and I feel like we're going to be here a lot later than we thought.

03:24:41.000 But, you know, we have to raise awareness for these people, and like I said, there's no show, there's no Loomer Unleashed on Thursday, and it's very important that people don't forget

03:24:50.000 Uh, about the J sixers and all these people three years later who are a lot of them don't get to have Thanksgiving. 1.00

03:24:56.000 You know, a lot of them are locked up.

03:24:58.000 You're lucky they'll be home for Thanksgiving.

03:25:01.000 A lot of people are still locked up.

03:25:02.000 They're not going to see their family.

03:25:03.000 They're not going to see their dads, their husbands, their wives, and it's just a really tragic situation.

03:25:08.000 So thank you for coming on.

03:25:09.000 Yeah, thank you so much for doing this.

03:25:12.000 Thank you.

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03:27:26.000 We are waiting for other J sixers to connect. 1.00

03:27:28.000 It's gonna be a very long night, but, uh, you know, it's just so sad, John.

03:27:32.000 I'm sitting here thinking to myself and

03:27:35.000 It just really puts life into perspective.

03:27:37.000 You know, I was saying earlier that we complain about so much in our lives, and I know I'm guilty of it, and I think I allow myself to get pretty riled up over... I mean, I wouldn't say insignificant things because I'm a very passionate person, and the things that I let rile me up I think are of significance, but I don't know.

03:27:55.000 Maybe I need to have a better outlook on my life.

03:27:57.000 Things could be worse.

03:27:59.000 Yeah, I think what all Americans need to really focus on and understand is that this does not stop with people who are at the Capitol on January 6th.

03:28:09.000 This type of tyrannical government in which everything's about power, everything's about the ruling class, everything's about a corrupt political system, it doesn't stop with one political party, it doesn't stop with one race, one creed.

03:28:23.000 They are coming for everyone.

03:28:25.000 And so, if folks don't stand up now,

03:28:28.000 And support these January 6th defendants with prayer, with resources, and, you know, trying to take their country back.

03:28:37.000 They're gonna get a knock on door next.

03:28:39.000 And all folks need to do is watch Dinesh D'Souza's film, Police State.

03:28:42.000 He did a terrific job.

03:28:43.000 Absolutely.

03:28:44.000 And at the end, they show that they're coming for the churches and the synagogues.

03:28:47.000 So, you know, folks really, really need to wake up because this is happening very fast.

03:28:53.000 Yeah, and I had the pleasure of going to Mar-a-Lago for the premiere, the red carpet premiere, and watching Police State, and you all need to watch it.

03:29:00.000 It's shocking.

03:29:01.000 Real life testimony.

03:29:02.000 They talk to people who have had their doors kicked in, just like we're doing tonight, and it's really scary stuff.

03:29:08.000 It's really scary stuff, and we're waiting for others to call in tonight as well now.

03:29:13.000 We have a lot of people that want to call in, and we're trying to fit everybody in tonight as well, because it was going to be a four-hour stream, and I know that a lot of people want to come on, and they want to talk about

03:29:24.000 Talk about their situation.

03:29:26.000 I'm going to try to get to everybody tonight, but there's a lot, you know, there's a lot and, um, and we've been on for almost four hours now tonight.

03:29:33.000 And so we're going to try to get to as many J sixers. 1.00

03:29:35.000 But obviously when you open up the phone lines, you get a lot of people that call in and they want to, they want to tell their story.

03:29:42.000 And it's just sad because there's thousands of people like this who haven't been able to get any, uh, publicity or any type of, uh, you know, any type of news coverage of their situation.

03:29:52.000 And a lot of people are suffering in silence this Thanksgiving.

03:29:57.000 Yeah, and what you have to remember, like you just said, is that there are so many of these folks.

03:30:03.000 Jake Chansley is a former client of mine.

03:30:05.000 He's a great guy, and after listening to him tonight, I'm ready to vote for him.

03:30:09.000 Jake Lang, I hadn't had the pleasure of ever speaking to, but what he's been able to do from being incarcerated is amazing.

03:30:17.000 But you know, these folks have had something of a platform just based upon kind of, you know, folks know who they are.

03:30:25.000 And they're just as important as everybody else.

03:30:27.000 But there are so many defendants, hundreds of them, who, you know, they are just regular people and nobody knows their name.

03:30:35.000 And these folks are facing the full might and fury of the federal government.

03:30:40.000 And, you know, they desperately need help.

03:30:44.000 Yeah, so again, you guys, if you're watching, please go to NCLU.org, NCLU.org, and make sure you click Donate in the top right-hand corner, because John is, you know, representing all these people, and a lot of them can't afford to pay, but John doesn't abandon them.

03:30:58.000 I mean, he tells them up front, you know, yeah, look, it'd be nice if you could pay a retainer, but he's not going to abandon his clients like so many lawyers do if they don't pay their invoices.

03:31:07.000 And that's what's so admirable about John and NCLU is that they really are there from

03:31:14.000 We're good to go.

03:31:33.000 He's, uh, he's given up his house, he's given up his car, okay?

03:31:38.000 Um, he, uh, literally lives out of Airbnbs and hotels, and not nice hotels.

03:31:44.000 Like, he'll stay in cheap hotels, and, uh, he'll sleep on the floor if he has to, and he wakes up and he goes to, you know, Starbucks in the morning, gets his coffee, and does his, uh, trials, and he's always there slaving away, and doesn't get to see his family very much, but he's given up everything.

03:31:58.000 Like, I don't even think he owns a house anymore.

03:32:00.000 I hope you don't mind me saying that and it's not too personal but literally like he has literally given up his life like liquidated all of his assets so that he could afford to represent so many people on a like I guess you would call it like a good faith

03:32:17.000 Partial pro bono basis because you do need to get paid and you do have staff you have to pay but a lot of these people Can't afford to pay.

03:32:24.000 I mean, that's just the reality of it.

03:32:25.000 A lot of them just don't have the money and How can you because it's expensive?

03:32:30.000 I mean, it's very expensive and your average person can't afford going up against the federal government and so

03:32:36.000 John isn't representing these people pro bono, but he's also not abandoning people if they can't pay and he's I've had people on the calls before and I've heard them on their calls with John and when I was helping out with NCLU and.

03:32:50.000 Some of them say, I don't know what to do.

03:32:51.000 Cause like I want to pay you and I just don't have money for food.

03:32:54.000 And John says, don't ever, you know, like don't ever submit an invoice to me if you feel like you can't do it.

03:33:00.000 He's like, first thing comes first is taking care of yourself and your family and your kids.

03:33:04.000 And I've seen it firsthand, you know, like John really goes above and beyond and.

03:33:08.000 That's really exceptional because a lot of lawyers just don't give a damn.

03:33:11.000 You know, like I've had lawyers abandon me before in my cases for other things that I know what it's like to be dropped by a lawyer because of their own greed.

03:33:20.000 And John is not like that at all.

03:33:22.000 And it's really rare to find a lawyer, one, to represent you if you're a J6 defendant, and two, somebody that's really going to be like a ride or die by your side regardless of what happens. 0.97

03:33:32.000 Well, thank you for saying that, Laura.

03:33:33.000 And, you know, the thing is, is that as you see in the news and you hear from these families directly, I mean, there are people committing suicide.

03:33:41.000 I mean, there are people in enormous psychological, emotional distress.

03:33:49.000 Look, this fight has to be fought.

03:33:51.000 And, you know, I think at times my mindset is, if not me, then who?

03:33:56.000 And it's got to be done.

03:33:58.000 And, you know, there'll be a time for me to make some money at the end of my life.

03:34:01.000 That time is not now.

03:34:04.000 You know, we essentially are just able to make the sort of the bare expenses meet with respect to being able to have some staff in D.C.

03:34:14.000 Absolutely.

03:34:37.000 I don't know if he got disconnected there, but he'll be reconnecting any minute now.

03:34:41.000 But we have other J6ers on the line as well. 1.00

03:34:43.000 I want to get connected with Derek Gunby.

03:34:46.000 Derek Gunby is on the line.

03:34:49.000 Derek, can you hear me?

03:34:52.000 Derek?

03:34:53.000 Yes.

03:34:54.000 Hello.

03:34:55.000 Hi, Derek.

03:34:55.000 Thanks for calling in.

03:34:58.000 Sorry to hear about your situation.

03:35:00.000 I understand you're a J6er. 1.00

03:35:01.000 Do you want to tell everybody where you're from, where you live, and what your story is?

03:35:07.000 Well, yeah, so first off, I want to say, you know, you have a lot of energy.

03:35:12.000 I am the Energizer Bunny, in case people didn't know.

03:35:18.000 I really am, people.

03:35:19.000 But yes, I've been up since about, I don't know, probably like, I think I got up at six o'clock today.

03:35:26.000 Six o'clock, but it's a long night, but you know, it's worth it.

03:35:29.000 We got to support the J6ers and we have to have energy if you're going to be fighting the communist regime. 1.00

03:35:35.000 Right, and thank you so much for what you're doing, you know, supporting John and the other J6ers and myself, so thank you.

03:35:45.000 So I am, I believe I am the only J6er who chose to go to trial, and that's very fresh.

03:35:56.000 John and I and Roger, Roger Roots and Emily.

03:36:01.000 We all just wrapped up last week in D.C.

03:36:07.000 in the trial in which I was found guilty on the five counts.

03:36:11.000 I was originally charged with the four standard misdemeanors.

03:36:14.000 And you're from South Carolina, right?

03:36:16.000 Just like to give some people a little bit of background information about yourself and what you were doing on J6 and, you know, your story.

03:36:23.000 Well, yes, sure.

03:36:26.000 So, yes, I went up there to protest the stealing of the election.

03:36:31.000 And, um, you know, I'm a, I'm a veteran and so, you know, the constitutional processes and all that, you know, have a lot of meaning to me.

03:36:41.000 And, um, so, you know, I, I went up there and, um, and then I was raided eight months later.

03:36:48.000 So I had, uh, you know, pretty big raid, uh, 25 to 30 people, um, rifles, the, the, uh, MRAP fighting vehicle with the battering ram.

03:37:00.000 You're being represented by John?

03:37:30.000 I am.

03:37:31.000 And I gotta tell you, John is amazing.

03:37:36.000 And Roger, they are just amazing.

03:37:38.000 They put their heart and soul into it, and they are looking out for these guys.

03:37:44.000 I can't say enough good things about them.

03:37:46.000 I really can't.

03:37:46.000 They are a blessing, and I'm so thankful that God put them in my life.

03:37:52.000 That's really great.

03:37:55.000 So you're not in jail right now, but what is Thanksgiving looking like for you?

03:38:01.000 Because we had a lot of people on.

03:38:03.000 I don't know if you've been listening to the show, but I kind of want people to know what

03:38:08.000 Life is like right now for people like yourself and other J sixers who are going through this time because a lot of people just have moved on and they forgot and unfortunately about the J sixers and we have to remind people that people are suffering. 1.00

03:38:20.000 You know, it's not a time to be cheerful.

03:38:21.000 The holidays are not a time to just sit there and forget about all these worries.

03:38:25.000 That's a time to remember people who are, you know, uh, in in unfortunate times and experiencing misfortune because well, right now it's we're not talking about necessarily like

03:38:37.000 Well, you know, Thanksgiving is, we still have a lot to be thankful for.

03:38:37.000 Right.

03:39:01.000 I mean, my family is blessed.

03:39:03.000 I'm blessed to have a great support network.

03:39:07.000 And so, you know, this Thanksgiving, we'll be spending time with the family, but there's no convincing my family of everything, you know, of how bad it is.

03:39:19.000 They understand.

03:39:20.000 They got it.

03:39:21.000 They should, right?

03:39:21.000 I mean, after what you've been through.

03:39:24.000 Yes, they do get it.

03:39:26.000 Um, so yeah, we're looking forward to, um, you know, getting together with, uh, the rest of the family and, and, um, you know, counting our blessings and, and being thankful because that's just, we just, we still have so much to be thankful for.

03:39:43.000 We still have so much to fight for.

03:39:46.000 And, um, and that's why I'm really glad.

03:39:48.000 It says the South Carolina man was convicted on Monday, November 13th.

03:39:52.000 So this is very recent.

03:39:54.000 Yes.

03:39:56.000 We thought that this one might be different, that we might come back with at least a hung jury.

03:40:03.000 John and Roger put on, I mean, just, I couldn't ask for better representation.

03:40:10.000 We have a decent judge.

03:40:12.000 It remains to be seen as far as sentencing when it comes to that, and that will be March 1st.

03:40:18.000 And how long are you going to be sentenced for?

03:40:21.000 Well, we don't know.

03:40:23.000 You know, there'll be a sentencing hearing on March 1st.

03:40:27.000 I do think that the judge understands that, you know, I was not violent, nor did I condone violence.

03:40:34.000 But we'll see how that goes with that.

03:40:37.000 But with the felony, you know, it added potential for a lot more time than the original maximum of three years of those four misdemeanors.

03:40:47.000 Wow.

03:40:48.000 So, yeah, we're...

03:40:51.000 We don't know yet.

03:40:52.000 It remains to be seen, you know, how fair he'll be in that instance, but as far as how he conducted the trial, that was pretty fair.

03:41:01.000 The jury pool, that's where the issues are.

03:41:05.000 John, can we talk about that jury issue that we found early on?

03:41:10.000 Sure, go ahead.

03:41:14.000 Okay, so during the jury pool, the jury selection process, we found

03:41:20.000 Uh,

03:41:50.000 January 6th jury about a year prior so if the jury pool was full of had people in it that had already sat on the jury so they are recycling jurors that and also there were journalists I think there was a CBS journalist a BBC journalist

03:42:16.000 I don't know.

03:42:36.000 Absolutely not.

03:42:38.000 I mean, it's just, that's why there should be venue changes for all of these J6ers, but they don't want it. 1.00

03:42:43.000 And look at even President Trump, right?

03:42:45.000 So it doesn't matter if you're a billionaire or whether you're, you know, an ordinary American, right?

03:42:50.000 It's not a matter of like socioeconomic differences.

03:42:53.000 It's just political affiliation.

03:42:55.000 Now, if you are a Trump supporter, you are not getting a fair trial in Washington, D.C.

03:43:00.000 And money, all the money in the world is going to get you out of this.

03:43:03.000 Right.

03:43:04.000 And I mean, there's so much pressure on the jurors as well.

03:43:06.000 I mean, who wants to be a juror that lets a J-Sixer go? 1.00

03:43:10.000 I just have to say, though, that John and Roger are just amazing at what they do, and they

03:43:28.000 No, it's not much of a break at all, actually.

03:43:38.000 Well, where can people support you?

03:43:41.000 Yeah, I mean, they're incredible, and you're lucky to have them.

03:43:44.000 Where is the best place for people to support you, Derek?

03:43:46.000 Because we want to make sure you have a give, send, go, and you also have an account with NCLU, of course, right?

03:43:56.000 Yes, so my GiveSendGo is GiveSendGo.com slash Gunby, that's G-U-N as in November, B-Y, and obviously the N-C-O-U is doing such wonderful work. 1.00

03:44:12.000 Great, and we'll get your GiveSendGo up on the screen here, too.

03:44:16.000 So, GiveSendGo.com slash Gunby, you said, and that's where people can contribute?

03:44:23.000 You can see a lot of you see a common thread here you guys with these give send goes as they barely raise any money and so they need your support they need your support so please donate because these people like these J6ers they really need your support so that they can pay their attorney's fees and they can get through this because you can't forget these people and there's a lot of people out there that have disposable income that 1.00

03:44:45.000 You know, we have about 5,000 people watching live right now, I believe.

03:44:50.000 If everybody just donates $5, right?

03:44:51.000 Oh, that's wonderful.

03:44:52.000 Late at night, this late at night.

03:44:54.000 Yeah, we have about 5,000 people watching, and so people just find it in themselves to give $5, $10, right?

03:45:00.000 Whatever you can give, it can make a difference to a lot of these people that are suffering right now.

03:45:04.000 I hope that people will donate.

03:45:09.000 Yes, well, thank you very much.

03:45:11.000 And God bless you, Laura, and you too, John.

03:45:15.000 Yeah, God bless you as well, and happy Thanksgiving, Derek, to you and your family.

03:45:18.000 You as well.

03:45:20.000 It's just terrible what they're doing in our country.

03:45:28.000 Yeah, and you know, one thing that, you know, folks also need to understand is that, you know, look, I mean, me and my team, you know, we're going to be

03:45:36.000 We're fighting until the very end.

03:45:37.000 We're going to take these cases to trial and take them to appeal, etc.

03:45:41.000 We're not going to make the choice to leave anybody's side, but there's a point at which there are just costs that have to be paid in order for us to be able to function to represent these people.

03:45:51.000 Yeah, they have to be paid.

03:45:52.000 People, people, you have to still pay the staff.

03:45:55.000 You know, it's like people still need to donate to these people, at least bare minimum.

03:45:59.000 I mean, it's not like these people are living large or anything or staying in fancy hotels.

03:46:03.000 I mean, there's been people that have said they have apartments and they've been generous enough to donate their apartments when they're out of town.

03:46:09.000 I mean, that's literally how you guys are getting by.

03:46:11.000 And so people need to understand that it's not like it's a multi-million dollar firm that is spending all this money on on expenses.

03:46:18.000 No, there's people that are literally like, oh, I have an extra condo and it has two bedrooms and an air mattress.

03:46:24.000 And by the way, if you guys want to stay there, I'm going to be out of town for six months at my other home.

03:46:29.000 Right.

03:46:30.000 It's like things like that, people stepping up and offering up their resources so that

03:46:34.000 People can get their representation because it's a lot of money.

03:46:37.000 I mean, if you're in D.C.

03:46:38.000 for a trial and you don't have a place to stay, you're going to be spending $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 on hotels depending on how long your trials are.

03:46:45.000 I mean, look how long the Proud Boys trial went, right?

03:46:47.000 I mean, imagine being one of their wives or one of their girlfriends or one of their parents and having to sit there in Washington, D.C.

03:46:52.000 every single day for four months.

03:46:55.000 I mean, people cannot afford this.

03:46:55.000 It's expensive.

03:46:59.000 Yeah, and speaking of which, I believe we might have Barb Turpin calling in tonight, who's Dominic Pizzola's mom, and, you know, she stayed with us for quite some time, a couple months, and we at times have had 10, 12, perhaps even more people in a three-bedroom apartment in D.C.

03:47:14.000 on air mattresses and futon couches, from, you know, clients to family members to expert witnesses and staff, so we're packing them in, and, you know, it's got to be done, but we need help.

03:47:28.000 We have another caller on the line now, as well.

03:47:30.000 Melissa Miller.

03:47:32.000 Melissa, thanks so much for calling in.

03:47:33.000 Hey, Laura.

03:47:36.000 How are you?

03:47:36.000 Hope I'm doing well, going strong.

03:47:40.000 Got a lot of people tonight, so it's going to be a long night, but I'm doing well.

03:47:44.000 How are you?

03:47:45.000 I'm good.

03:47:46.000 I'm hanging in there.

03:47:47.000 You know, first of all, in the giving of thanks this week, I really wanted to thank you for having me on and all you've done for us, supporting Chris throughout his trial.

03:48:07.000 Absolutely.

03:48:08.000 You know, I try to do whatever I can to help and, um, you know, it's just really terrible what's going on in our country right now.

03:48:08.000 Absolutely.

03:48:14.000 And how are you holding up?

03:48:17.000 One day at a time.

03:48:18.000 I'm keeping myself very busy.

03:48:19.000 I do.

03:48:20.000 I'm lucky enough.

03:48:21.000 I get to speak to him pretty often.

03:48:23.000 He has his good days, he has his bad days, but overall I'm just trying to count my blessings and persevere because I know that God has a greater purpose than all this.

03:48:31.000 And how long was he sentenced for?

03:48:35.000 So initially when we concluded the trial it was like four to five years and then on Memorial Day of all weekend they chose to give a veteran the news that they would be seeking enhancements

03:48:46.000 Which led to seven years for his sentencing.

03:48:49.000 I mean, just think of how evil our government is, okay?

03:48:52.000 This is a veteran, okay, who was told on Memorial Day of all days that he would be giving an enhancement.

03:48:58.000 I mean, it's just so awful.

03:48:59.000 It's just so much to stomach. 0.58

03:49:01.000 It's disgusting.

03:49:03.000 It's just a lot.

03:49:05.000 And I was with Chris at his trial.

03:49:06.000 By the way, I was in D. C. With with John and it's terrible what they do to people and he.

03:49:12.000 He was just trying to use a medic and he was just trying to give CPR and trying to help people out and be there to support people who may have needed medical attention.

03:49:21.000 And.

03:49:22.000 It's not like he was trying to storm the capital with an actual loaded gun.

03:49:25.000 You know, it's just people carry guns on them, right?

03:49:28.000 This is America.

03:49:28.000 People carry and, uh, what didn't want to leave it in the car, right?

03:49:34.000 Yeah, I mean, what good was it going to be if he was attacked?

03:49:36.000 He went by himself.

03:49:37.000 I mean, the whole purpose is to defend yourself.

03:49:39.000 It wouldn't have been helpful from the car had he faced any interactions with opposing sides.

03:49:45.000 And I think, you know, the events of that day, if anything, it shows the great discipline he had.

03:49:49.000 He faced police brutality and a lot of, you know, people dying around him and innocent, you know, children, women being attacked and never did he put his hand on his hip.

03:50:01.000 Yeah, no, it's absolutely out of control.

03:50:03.000 And so, I mean, what is life like for you right now?

03:50:06.000 I mean, you obviously, you know, are not able to see Chris and he's in jail now.

03:50:12.000 And what is this?

03:50:14.000 What's getting you through this right now?

03:50:15.000 And how are you going to be handling Thanksgiving?

03:50:17.000 Or do you have any Thanksgiving plans?

03:50:19.000 And what's it been like for you and your family?

03:50:23.000 I mean, it's pretty tough.

03:50:25.000 Typically, it's just my mom, Chris, and myself and my brother.

03:50:28.000 We lost my brother the week before Chris' sentencing.

03:50:31.000 And Chris is away, so it's going to be a smaller Thanksgiving this year, but we're going to get through.

03:50:36.000 God gets me through every day.

03:50:37.000 He wakes me up.

03:50:38.000 He lights the fire in my heart every day.

03:50:40.000 The biggest thing I think this week was, you know, I have my fiancé, the love of my life, who's sitting in prison for doing absolutely nothing wrong, and I got a chance to go see him Friday.

03:50:54.000 And I'm trying to just remember the reasons I had to be thankful to hundreds of people, if not thousands at this point, that have supported us, that have wrote him letters of encouragement, that have prayed for him, that have donated on his behalf.

03:51:06.000 Our legal team, we had literally just about given up when John said, you know, don't worry about it.

03:51:11.000 We got you.

03:51:12.000 And I know, you know, John, legal team, they don't have lives outside of their pursuit of justice for these guys.

03:51:20.000 They sacrifice everything.

03:51:21.000 They don't see their own families.

03:51:23.000 You know, they don't go on vacation.

03:51:25.000 They don't get days off.

03:51:26.000 They fight vehemently every single day.

03:51:28.000 So I'm grateful for that.

03:51:30.000 I'm grateful for a good church that keeps me going, people that check on me, people that always ask about Chris.

03:51:36.000 So it's just my pure faith and my motivation and that I feel like Chris and myself have been led on this journey.

03:51:43.000 I think he isn't so much a victim.

03:51:46.000 As most people may see it, I choose the latter, and I think that he was absolutely chosen for this battle.

03:51:52.000 And I think it's a spiritual warfare that we're in, and I think he was handpicked.

03:51:57.000 Yeah, and I hope that President Trump gets back into office as well, so that all these people can get pardons.

03:52:02.000 And hopefully you're not going to be, you know, separated from Chris for seven years, and hopefully you'll be reunited soon.

03:52:08.000 But we got to get Trump back into office, because he's really the only one.

03:52:12.000 You know, it's political, because if he's not back in office, nobody's going to pardon these guys.

03:52:17.000 Absolutely.

03:52:19.000 I mean, I keep magnets on my car that says, free the political prisoners, and someone stole one.

03:52:24.000 I've had them on there for almost two years, and someone stole one just two weeks ago, but they had a good run.

03:52:29.000 I'll get new ones.

03:52:31.000 Well, hopefully it was somebody that wanted it for themselves.

03:52:33.000 I mean, you shouldn't be stealing, but hopefully it was somebody that actually wanted it.

03:52:36.000 Hopefully I'll get proficient advertising out of it.

03:52:39.000 That'd be a good deal.

03:52:42.000 Well, what's the best way for people to support Chris?

03:52:45.000 Because we want to make sure that you and your family are supported and that Chris is supported during this time.

03:52:49.000 We have the Give Send Go pulled up on the screen here.

03:52:52.000 Another example we've heard from a lot of veterans tonight.

03:52:55.000 Chris is a great guy.

03:52:55.000 I met him, obviously, I was at his trial.

03:53:00.000 The best way for people to support you is on Give Send Go, correct?

03:53:04.000 Yeah, so Chris's Give Send Go is givesendgo.com backslash hope.

03:53:09.000 Yeah, I mean, there's still a lot of censorship out there as well.

03:53:20.000 And so, we're gonna do what we can to, uh, you know, promote, uh, promote his, uh, Give Stun Go, and it's just terrible.

03:53:26.000 I mean, look, guys.

03:53:29.000 We're told that we're the land of the free and the home of the brave, and we're locking up a bunch of veterans.

03:53:33.000 I think most of the people on tonight have been veterans.

03:53:35.000 It's just really unbelievable and shocking that this is what our country has come to.

03:53:40.000 Yeah, I think, you know, we got to understand that all citizens' constitutional rights are at danger, like, regardless of which side of the fence you sit on.

03:53:47.000 If you just research the legal term precedent, you're going to learn more about how this is going to be used against you in the future if we don't stop, you know, the police aid activity.

03:53:55.000 You can research the Reichstag fire in Germany.

03:53:58.000 This is how Hitler established power, and history always repeats itself. 0.97

03:54:02.000 I know, and I'm determined, that we, the people, are going to expose the corruption.

03:54:05.000 I know many people have been led to action.

03:54:07.000 I, myself, am going back to school for paralegal so that I can help join, you know, the right side of history, and I implore everybody, if you don't have the financial means, get involved from, like, an administrative side.

03:54:18.000 People like you that have helped the cause.

03:54:20.000 Artists, get active at your local level.

03:54:22.000 God gave us a voice, and I empower all of us to use it.

03:54:25.000 I'm, you know, the biggest thing for me is, um, the most common excuse I hear is, you know, we have jobs or we have children.

03:54:31.000 And I just want to stress the fact that none of us want to wake up one day and explain to your loved ones that you stood by in complacency while we let America die.

03:54:39.000 You know, there's generally, there's three kinds of people.

03:54:42.000 There's the ones who are consumed by the corruption and greed.

03:54:45.000 We know them very well.

03:54:46.000 There's those who wait for someone else to fix it and are comfortable in their safe place.

03:54:50.000 And then there's the brave ones who will sacrifice at all costs.

03:54:53.000 And I genuinely.

03:55:05.000 Absolutely.

03:55:06.000 And, uh, we're praying for you, and I, uh, you know, I'm thinking of you.

03:55:10.000 I'm thinking of Chris.

03:55:10.000 I'm thinking of your family, and I, you know, hope that people will contribute to the Give, Send, Go and, uh, you know, support you through this time.

03:55:18.000 And, uh, just know there's a lot of people out there as part of this movement that are standing alongside you, and, uh,

03:55:25.000 I do believe that this nightmare is going to end for all these J6 political prisoners once Trump gets back into office, which is why I'm doing everything I can every single day to, you know, help get him elected because it's for the J6ers. 1.00

03:55:36.000 I mean, if people want one reason to vote for Trump, I mean, there's a lot of reasons, but if you want to see these innocent Americans be freed from these gulags, you have to vote for Trump.

03:55:45.000 He's the only one who's going to free these people.

03:55:49.000 There's no other answer.

03:55:50.000 There's no other answer.

03:55:51.000 Because they're not going to get fair trials.

03:55:53.000 It doesn't matter what you show them.

03:55:55.000 They're not going to get fair trials.

03:55:56.000 We already know that.

03:55:57.000 The only hope for these J6ers, in my opinion, honestly, unless they're going to serve out their sentences, is Donald Trump. 1.00

03:56:04.000 That's how I feel.

03:56:05.000 And so we got to get him back in.

03:56:07.000 And that's why they're trying to lock Trump up.

03:56:09.000 That's why they're trying to put Trump in jail, too.

03:56:11.000 So he's not immune to it, too.

03:56:12.000 They're trying to lock him up for life, for the rest of his life.

03:56:14.000 They want him to die in jail.

03:56:18.000 They're just trying to wear him down.

03:56:19.000 But I mean, in that, you know, we're watching what they're doing to a former president.

03:56:24.000 So there's nothing that they won't do to the average citizen.

03:56:26.000 They don't care if you served your country.

03:56:27.000 They don't care if they wrote you down to fight their wars.

03:56:30.000 They'll come for you.

03:56:31.000 They'll leave you in financial ruin.

03:56:32.000 They'll destroy your family.

03:56:33.000 And it's not just one sided.

03:56:36.000 It's just it's showing you a preview of what's to come.

03:56:39.000 If we don't get involved, if we don't get involved at a local level, if we don't start, you know, just genuinely listening to each other and understanding each other.

03:56:46.000 Absolutely.

03:56:47.000 Perfectly said.

03:57:03.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on.

03:57:05.000 I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and we're going to be promoting this Give, Send, Go.

03:57:08.000 And if you're watching the stream right now, be sure that you contribute and you support Chris Alberts, who's locked up right now, and support his family.

03:57:17.000 So I just want to thank you for coming on, and happy Thanksgiving.

03:57:20.000 Thank you, Laura.

03:57:21.000 We love you.

03:57:21.000 We're grateful for you.

03:57:22.000 God bless.

03:57:22.000 Thank you so much.

03:57:23.000 God bless you guys.

03:57:26.000 It's tragic.

03:57:27.000 I mean, it's so sad, John.

03:57:29.000 The common denominator between the majority of the people on tonight is they're all veterans.

03:57:34.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really stunning how many veterans there are.

03:57:39.000 And you're a veteran as well.

03:57:41.000 You are a veteran yourself.

03:57:42.000 I am indeed.

03:57:44.000 I was in the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas.

03:57:47.000 I was in during peacetime, so I just shot at plywood targets.

03:57:50.000 But, you know, so many of these folks, I mean, they served in combat.

03:57:52.000 They served in Iraq.

03:57:54.000 They served in Afghanistan.

03:57:56.000 And these are combat veterans who deserve better from the government, quite frankly.

03:58:00.000 Absolutely.

03:58:02.000 It's just so sad.

03:58:03.000 I know the next J six are we're going to talk to you. 1.00

03:58:05.000 We're going to get him on the line momentarily.

03:58:07.000 Ryan Ryan's calling in and if you're watching and you're waiting, it's a It's a long night.

03:58:12.000 A lot of people want to call in and we got a few more people calling in.

03:58:15.000 I know.

03:58:16.000 So I believe we have Ryan zinc on the line.

03:58:21.000 Can you hear me?

03:58:21.000 Ryan.

03:58:22.000 Yes, I can hear you.

03:58:25.000 Ryan.

03:58:25.000 Thanks so much for calling in.

03:58:26.000 Where are you calling from?

03:58:29.000 I'm calling in from Texas tonight.

03:58:31.000 Okay.

03:58:32.000 And if you don't mind, tell people your story and let everybody know we have about, we have about 10 to 15 minutes for every J6er because we have about 20 J6ers who are calling in tonight. 1.00

03:58:44.000 And so if you could just briefly tell people, you know, what's been going on and what's the status of your case and how people can support you.

03:58:54.000 All right.

03:58:55.000 Well, uh, my name is Ryan Zink.

03:58:57.000 I'm 34.

03:58:57.000 I'm from the state of Texas.

03:58:59.000 My father is Jeff Zink.

03:59:01.000 He is the congressional, the Republican congressional candidate for CD3 in Arizona.

03:59:07.000 Yes, that would be Maricopa County.

03:59:09.000 Um, on January 6th, I was working as my father's media correspondent, uh, for his, uh, congressional campaign.

03:59:19.000 I was working on January 6th.

03:59:22.000 Um.

03:59:23.000 And I have been convicted of a felony and two misdemeanors.

03:59:29.000 I never went inside the building.

03:59:31.000 I never moved a barricade.

03:59:32.000 Uh, there's actually a video on my gifts and go.

03:59:36.000 I was protecting police officers on the, uh, the East side by the Columbus doors.

03:59:42.000 Um, that, uh, I was given a direct order from United States Capitol police officer, Benjamin fluke.

03:59:51.000 When I asked him how I could help the Capitol Police, he instructed me to stay and take pictures of people that attacked him.

03:59:57.000 He admitted that on the stand at trial, uh, in September, whenever I, uh, went to trial.

04:00:04.000 I'm not really sure what's going to happen with, uh, with sentencing.

04:00:09.000 I go to sentencing on the, uh, on December 18th.

04:00:13.000 Um, you know, it's, uh, I spent some time up at the Gulag, um,

04:00:20.000 You know, while I was incarcerated in D.C.

04:00:24.000 after the Feds drove through the front of my house on February 4th with a 12-foot battering ram attached to the front of a very large military truck.

04:00:37.000 You know, it's not been a fun two and a half years.

04:00:41.000 You know, I, I think that it's been a great start so far of getting some of the footage out, but Congress, we need you to release all of the footage and hold nothing back because we, uh, deserve the right to defend ourselves.

04:00:56.000 I was, I was never given my discovery.

04:00:58.000 Uh, when I went to trial, it was rejected.

04:01:01.000 I never received the, um, I never received the full contents of my cell phone, my laptop, my Facebook.

04:01:11.000 My camera or any of the SD cards and I was actually denied the right to have my discovery when I went to trial and all that's in my transcripts and I'll provide... And you lost your business?

04:01:24.000 It says you lost your business, you were forced to move and now you can no longer finish school.

04:01:30.000 It's just terrible what has happened.

04:01:31.000 Yes, that's correct.

04:01:33.000 Yes.

04:01:34.000 Yeah, I'm pretty much... I had another set of attorneys that walked out on me when I wouldn't take a plea deal.

04:01:41.000 And then now I've got, you know, student loans, attorney fees, everything.

04:01:45.000 I'm, you know, that can't get paid.

04:01:47.000 I lost my job over the conviction.

04:01:49.000 I'm currently unemployed.

04:01:51.000 So, you know, it's just been real fun because, you know, words are scary.

04:01:57.000 Apparently it makes you a terrorist and a felon.

04:02:04.000 You know, it just seems terrible, but you notice a lot of people, they're running for office, right?

04:02:09.000 Your father's running for Congress.

04:02:10.000 We heard from two people earlier running for office.

04:02:13.000 One of them, Jacob Chansley, is running for Congress.

04:02:15.000 I had Jesse Rumston on, who's running for County Commissioner.

04:02:17.000 So you have a lot of people that are trying to use this experience to run for office and to raise awareness.

04:02:22.000 And so your father's, I know that he was inspired to run for office because of what has happened to you, correct?

04:02:30.000 No, dad was actually running for Congress on January 6th.

04:02:35.000 I was actually there in official capacity as a Republican congressional media staffer because I was helping my father with his campaign.

04:02:44.000 So we were actually on the campaign trail on January 6th, and I was working for him that day.

04:02:50.000 Wow, and so even though you were there as a media representative, you were still being targeted and locked up, or threatened with persecution and being locked up.

04:02:59.000 There's just a real double standard here because think about it.

04:03:03.000 There's leftist media that were there.

04:03:05.000 We saw the reporters that were in Nancy Pelosi's office taking photographs.

04:03:08.000 So why are those people not locked up, right?

04:03:10.000 There's a real double standard here.

04:03:12.000 Yeah, there definitely is a double standard.

04:03:18.000 As a matter of fact, there were several journalists that were around me in the area that I was at.

04:03:25.000 And, uh, you know, my father's never been charged.

04:03:28.000 You know, Bob, Bobby Powell, he came to testify, you know, at, uh, my trial, uh, for me and, you know, say that, say everything that he saw.

04:03:37.000 And, you know, it's, I'm, I think I'm looking at somewhere between, you know, four and a half to, you know, I, I do have the 20 year felony, uh, that is the obstruction.

04:03:48.000 It's a real double standard.

04:03:50.000 The guy that I thought from the porch, I videotaped a gentleman named Hunter Emke

04:04:11.000 Kicking out windows.

04:04:12.000 And, uh, when some of the, you know, there were some guys on the porch that took particular interest in the way that Hunter Emke was arrested.

04:04:19.000 And I just told them, you know, leave those guys alone.

04:04:22.000 They're just doing their jobs.

04:04:23.000 And I'm referring to the United States Capitol police officers.

04:04:27.000 And, you know, the crowd kind of quieted down up there in that area after that.

04:04:32.000 But, you know, then those same Capitol police officers that I stuck my neck out for, you know, got, got up and lied on the stand.

04:04:39.000 About the, uh, participation of, you know, of myself.

04:04:43.000 And so that's why we need the rest of the footage.

04:04:45.000 That's, that's why we can't have a double standard with the footage and with Congress and with everyone else.

04:04:51.000 And I, and I fully expect to run for office whenever I'm finished with all of this aspect too.

04:04:58.000 Um, because, you know, I've learned one thing in all of it that Jesus Christ is the only thing that we have.

04:05:05.000 That can save America because our politicians sure aren't going to do it. 0.87

04:05:09.000 So I'm hoping that to be my platform to run on and you know, just try to reach out and touch as many people's lives with my story as I can.

04:05:23.000 Well, I think it's really inspirational as well that you've continued to fight and it's just terrible that

04:05:32.000 You know, people are told you're going to run for Congress, right?

04:05:36.000 When I think of your dad, for example, your dad's running for Congress, and then just a nightmare, right?

04:05:41.000 You think that you're just going to Congress, you're going to Washington D.C.

04:05:44.000 to, you know, peacefully petition your government and express your grievances, and then your son ends up becoming a political prisoner.

04:05:51.000 I mean, it's just a nightmare situation.

04:05:53.000 So many families have just been completely catapulted into an absolute nightmare.

04:05:59.000 Yeah, it's been difficult for the campaign for sure.

04:06:03.000 I've had to take a step back from the campaign.

04:06:08.000 There's so much to do with all of these cases, particularly with sentencing coming up on December 18th and trying to make bills and doing odds and ends work because I'm unemployed.

04:06:23.000 Whenever it comes down to it, like, I feel so much for all of the families and for all the J6ers and for all the families out there that are listening to this broadcast. 1.00

04:06:31.000 Do not lose your hope.

04:06:33.000 The hope that we have comes in Christ our Lord, and that is the only thing that you can turn your eyes to, because people will fail you.

04:06:41.000 You know, our government has definitely failed us in all of this.

04:06:46.000 So just, you know, turn your eyes up to heaven and just pray and just know that

04:06:51.000 You know, you're not alone in this fight.

04:06:53.000 I'm here.

04:06:53.000 Reach out to me on Twitter if you need something.

04:06:56.000 Like, I'm here to talk, you know.

04:06:57.000 Don't fight this alone.

04:06:57.000 Is that what gets you through it?

04:06:58.000 I mean, a lot of people ask, like, what gets you through all the adversity?

04:07:02.000 What gets you through everything?

04:07:03.000 What gets you through?

04:07:05.000 Because, I mean, I know what it's like.

04:07:07.000 I'm not a G6-er, but I know what it's like to have your business destroyed.

04:07:10.000 I know what it's like to be, like, totally wrecked financially because of

04:07:14.000 The way I was completely deplatformed and targeted for years, I have been targeted by the FBI, you know?

04:07:19.000 I just, I know what it's like.

04:07:21.000 I've dealt with it for seven years, but, and I also ran for Congress as well, and my campaign was the only campaign in the nation not able to have social media.

04:07:29.000 So, you know, I haven't been, like, locked up in the sense that I'm not a J6-er, but I can, I can sympathize, and I know what it's like to have these 1.00

04:07:38.000 I don't

04:07:56.000 All of that happens, but also knowing that you could potentially be going to jail for several years.

04:08:00.000 And luckily, like, I haven't had to experience that part of it, but I completely sympathize with you in the sense that I know what it's like to have your total, your whole livelihood completely destroyed and to feel desperate and to feel like you have nothing.

04:08:13.000 And it's the worst feeling in the world.

04:08:15.000 And so I often wonder, like, how people get through it.

04:08:18.000 And you say that you, you are religious and you pray and that's how you get through it.

04:08:25.000 Yeah, absolutely.

04:08:26.000 I wouldn't have made it this far if it wasn't for, one, the support of my family, a girl that loves me, and my faith in Christ.

04:08:38.000 That's my encouragement message.

04:08:40.000 We can all see that this is unconstitutional and outlandish.

04:08:47.000 You know, that we can feel alone and isolated, but you know, for me, whenever you have the love of Christ with you, you're never alone.

04:08:55.000 It doesn't matter, you know, Paul sat in prison for years, and God was with him.

04:09:01.000 You know, you look at all of the different scenarios that God is there, and that's one thing that they can't take.

04:09:07.000 You know, they can't take their hope.

04:09:09.000 They can try to take everything else away, but when you have Christ by your side, that's it.

04:09:14.000 That's your hope.

04:09:15.000 And they can't take it.

04:09:17.000 The joy of the Lord is your strength, and we will carry on.

04:09:20.000 This, too, shall pass.

04:09:22.000 And that's all that we have to look forward to.

04:09:26.000 Well, I want to thank you so much for coming on tonight.

04:09:29.000 And again, we're going to be promoting your Give, Send, Go.

04:09:32.000 And where can people follow you if they want to follow you on Twitter, you said?

04:09:37.000 Yeah, I'm at I Toward Heaven.

04:09:39.000 E-Y-E.

04:09:40.000 You know, Toward Heaven.

04:09:42.000 I Toward Heaven.

04:09:43.000 You know, looking up.

04:09:43.000 I Toward Heaven.

04:09:44.000 I'll follow you.

04:09:45.000 Let me see if I'm following you.

04:09:49.000 I Toward Heaven, you said.

04:09:51.000 Yeah.

04:09:54.000 And then where else?

04:09:55.000 We do follow each other.

04:09:56.000 That's great.

04:09:57.000 We are following each other.

04:09:58.000 Good.

04:10:00.000 Oh, I followed you from day one.

04:10:01.000 Yeah, well, since I've been back, right?

04:10:03.000 I love your show.

04:10:03.000 I love your voice.

04:10:05.000 Thank you.

04:10:05.000 Yeah.

04:10:06.000 Thank you for giving people a, you know, a voice and, and seeking after the truth and just not going, uh, with the narrative, you know, I, I really appreciate it.

04:10:15.000 And, you know, I'd also like to, you know, thank John and Em and Roger and the rest of them for doing it because, you know, I, I have to say, where's the ACLU, where are, where are all the other so-called attorneys, you know, that believe and fight for civil rights and, you know, and, and think this is wrong.

04:10:33.000 Where are you?

04:10:34.000 Step up and help out.

04:10:35.000 You know, because these guys have done it from the start.

04:10:38.000 You know, they were one of the first attorneys in.

04:10:39.000 I know that there's a couple that, you know, I haven't mentioned in all this, but, you know, where are they?

04:10:45.000 John and them have been there, so, you know, it's interesting to see, you know, like, who's actually coming forward and, like, who's not.

04:10:53.000 Absolutely.

04:10:55.000 Well, I hope that you're able to enjoy Thanksgiving with your family.

04:11:01.000 Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

04:11:03.000 We're going to be

04:11:04.000 Headed to catch some hockey in Dallas and try to really get to spend what could be my last holiday with him for a long time.

04:11:16.000 And, uh, you know, just try to get that time in and... Well, I'll be honest with you.

04:11:20.000 It's going to be our... It's going to be all of our last holiday.

04:11:22.000 And so, uh, people better pay attention because next Thanksgiving, we're either going to have Trump in the White House and all the J6ers are going to get pardoned or else we're going to have Biden and America's over. 1.00

04:11:31.000 So this could be everybody's last Thanksgiving.

04:11:34.000 So enjoy it because we might not have a country.

04:11:37.000 I think we're... I'm not trying to sound overdramatic either.

04:11:40.000 It's not just going to be a last Thanksgiving if you think you're going to be locked up for J6. 0.97

04:11:45.000 We may not have a country in less than a year from now.

04:11:48.000 I mean, if you actually look at the date, the election is going to be November 8th, I believe.

04:11:56.000 Is it November 8th or November 5th?

04:11:57.000 November 8th or November 5th this year coming up?

04:12:00.000 I think it's November 8th.

04:12:02.000 Yeah.

04:12:04.000 And, you know, I think that's important to pay attention to as well because

04:12:09.000 You know, with everything else that's developing, we don't have much of a country right now.

04:12:14.000 I mean, we need leaders that are going to step up and are going to go after... November 5th.

04:12:20.000 November 5th.

04:12:21.000 I don't know why I was thinking November 8th.

04:12:23.000 That was the Trump rally day.

04:12:26.000 That's the day that I had because Trump was talking about how it's exactly one year, about one year until the election.

04:12:34.000 November 5th, okay?

04:12:35.000 So November 8th was the day of the rally.

04:12:37.000 Lots of dates to remember, but listen, by November 5th, today's what?

04:12:41.000 The 28th?

04:12:42.000 Well, now it's past midnight, so it's the 22nd where I am here in Florida.

04:12:47.000 So, in less than a year from now, we may not even have Thanksgiving, okay?

04:12:51.000 So people better wake up and realize that this could be all of our last Thanksgiving, and people better prioritize what they talk about at the dinner table this year.

04:12:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.

04:13:01.000 Get the message out, because

04:13:04.000 It can get it can get a lot worse from here trust me if they can come after me for words I mean we have a man sitting in prison over meme right now you know they they put a woman in in prison for what 10 days after she was beat in the face repetitively 38 times you know I mean there's

04:13:23.000 There's a lot of injustice that's around us, and I think maybe America just needs to break up and be single for a while and hand the power back to the state.

04:13:32.000 I think so, yeah.

04:13:33.000 I mean, our country's really, honestly... It's ugly right now.

04:13:38.000 But with that, thank you so much for coming on tonight, Ryan, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

04:13:42.000 Happy Thanksgiving to you guys as well.

04:13:45.000 Thank you, Laura, for having us on.

04:13:47.000 I really appreciate it.

04:13:49.000 So we're going to go to the chat for a little bit.

04:13:52.000 We have some questions in the chat if you want to go into the chat.

04:13:55.000 I know it's a long night.

04:13:57.000 John, are you still good?

04:13:58.000 Are you still with us?

04:13:59.000 Oh, you know me.

04:14:00.000 I just never quit.

04:14:01.000 So I'm getting a little woozy, but I'm in there for the finish.

04:14:06.000 Yeah, so we have several more J6ers who are waiting on the lines, and I just want to make sure you're all right to stay on. 1.00

04:14:13.000 Oh, of course.

04:14:15.000 Yeah, absolutely.

04:14:16.000 Okay.

04:14:16.000 Cause it's a marathon.

04:14:18.000 And, um, originally we were going to have about 10 people on and then, uh, the link got out.

04:14:24.000 Right.

04:14:24.000 And everybody was like, I want to come on.

04:14:26.000 So now we have double that.

04:14:27.000 So, um, that's for people asking and they're like, Oh, how long is the Trump-a-thon going to go on for?

04:14:34.000 Well, originally we had scheduled it to be till midnight, and we had timed it out perfectly.

04:14:39.000 And then the link was shared out, and so it's fine.

04:14:42.000 It's no problem at all, because it's my pleasure to give people a voice.

04:14:46.000 But it is going to be a long night, because we still have several more people, about six more J6ers who are waiting to come in and tell their stories. 1.00

04:14:56.000 And we want to make sure that all of them get an opportunity to

04:15:00.000 Tell their story tonight, so it is going to be a long night, but people are asking people in the chat saying thanks for a great show.

04:15:06.000 Let's see what else people are saying.

04:15:11.000 Scroll down some more.

04:15:12.000 Well said, you're right.

04:15:18.000 It's not overdramatic.

04:15:19.000 It's reality.

04:15:19.000 Yeah, absolutely.

04:15:22.000 Thanks, Laura.

04:15:22.000 Let's get real.

04:15:23.000 Great job.

04:15:24.000 This may be our last Thanksgiving.

04:15:26.000 It's true.

04:15:27.000 This might be our last Thanksgiving.

04:15:28.000 And so we're all spending Thanksgiving together.

04:15:30.000 And so I might as well stay up till three o'clock in the morning if it's going to be our last Thanksgiving.

04:15:35.000 Because I really feel like it's going to be our last Thanksgiving if Trump doesn't get back into office.

04:15:39.000 So enjoy it.

04:15:41.000 We're not doing a show on Thursday because it's Thanksgiving.

04:15:44.000 So right now,

04:15:46.000 It's technically Wednesday for me.

04:15:48.000 It's 12 30 in the morning here in Florida, and we've been live since eight o'clock, so I don't know.

04:15:54.000 John, do you feel the same way?

04:15:55.000 Because I do.

04:15:56.000 And also shout out to my production team right now, because I am keeping my production team late.

04:16:02.000 So I just want to say if you are in the chat, give a give a press one if you're thankful for the production team, because.

04:16:11.000 Yeah, you know, they're going to get several days off after this for Thanksgiving, but they're staying late time.

04:16:16.000 We have literally been live since, uh, since, uh, eight o'clock, and they've been preparing for my show all day.

04:16:23.000 Connecting with J sixers and getting everybody lined up. 1.00

04:16:25.000 And so, um, yeah, we're going to be here very late tonight, and it's our pleasure to do so.

04:16:30.000 But I want to thank them as well because you can't see them on the camera here, but they're sitting next to me in the

04:16:39.000 So are you, John.

04:16:40.000 You've been on the stream with me for about four hours now, too.

04:16:43.000 But what do you think about this?

04:16:44.000 I think it's going to be our last Thanksgiving if Trump doesn't get back in.

04:16:47.000 Honestly.

04:16:49.000 There's no question about it.

04:16:50.000 I mean, there's no ifs, ands, ors about it.

04:16:52.000 If Donald Trump doesn't win the White House and get back in office, this country's over, as we know it.

04:16:58.000 And so, you know, if folks haven't woken up by now, they need to wake up.

04:17:03.000 They need to do every single thing possible every day to do whatever they can to get Donald J. Trump back in office.

04:17:09.000 That is the way that we save our country.

04:17:11.000 There's no other option.

04:17:12.000 Absolutely.

04:17:13.000 You guys, you know, I know like people are going to be going to Black Friday shopping this week and sometimes when you go to the mall and you go shopping or the grocery store around Thanksgiving, you see the people from Salvation Army with their little bells and people give money.

04:17:25.000 Give money to NCLU instead because this is as much of a charitable cause, okay?

04:17:30.000 Give money.

04:17:31.000 Go to nclu.org and help these people.

04:17:34.000 Help these people get their freedom so that they don't have to go to a gulag and be imprisoned.

04:17:41.000 So, you know, a lot of people, they get in the charitable spirit around the holiday season and they want to donate.

04:17:46.000 If you can donate, please donate to NCLU.org, okay?

04:17:51.000 We're going to get another J6er on the line here. 1.00

04:17:53.000 We have, I believe, Nancy on the line.

04:17:58.000 Nancy?

04:18:01.000 Nancy, can you hear me?

04:18:04.000 I can.

04:18:05.000 Great.

04:18:05.000 Well, thanks so much for calling in.

04:18:07.000 How are you and where are you calling from tonight?

04:18:10.000 I'm good.

04:18:11.000 I'm calling from Indiana.

04:18:11.000 How you doing?

04:18:13.000 I'm good.

04:18:13.000 It's been a long day, but we're here.

04:18:16.000 I bet.

04:18:16.000 I heard you say you've been up for quite a while.

04:18:19.000 Oh, yeah.

04:18:20.000 It's late here in Florida.

04:18:21.000 It's about 1230.

04:18:22.000 But, yeah, tell us your story.

04:18:26.000 You know they're one of John's clients?

04:18:29.000 Yes.

04:18:29.000 Wonderful.

04:18:30.000 So, yeah, tell us what happened.

04:18:32.000 Oh, go ahead.

04:18:37.000 Gosh, I don't even know where to start.

04:18:38.000 I originally went down there just to go to the rally because I hadn't heard anything about the, um, I guess the whole thing, the Capitol stuff, because I know they had, like, people supposed to be coming in to speak or whatever.

04:18:52.000 Oh, can you hear me?

04:19:00.000 I'm coming in and out.

04:19:02.000 Can you hear me?

04:19:02.000 I can hear you, yeah, but I think you have, uh, you have, like, a speaker on in the background.

04:19:06.000 If you're watching, if you can mute it because we're getting a little, uh, double audio.

04:19:09.000 It sounds like you're watching the show and calling in at the same time.

04:19:16.000 I think there's, like, a lag, though.

04:19:18.000 I think there's a little lag, but anyway.

04:19:20.000 There might be a little bit of a lag.

04:19:21.000 That's all right, but continue.

04:19:22.000 So you found yourself there and you live in Indiana?

04:19:26.000 Yeah.

04:19:26.000 So I was going up there for the Trump rally, um, just to hear him speak.

04:19:30.000 Cause I figured it was going to be the last time I heard him speak, considering all the shenanigans that we had seen going on.

04:19:37.000 So, um, and then when I got there, it was, I woke up a little late cause I drove all night.

04:19:44.000 And then, um, there was some people that was walking outside and they had flags wrapped around them and stuff like that.

04:19:50.000 And they said they were heading down to the Capitol.

04:19:53.000 So I figured I missed it.

04:19:55.000 So I just went ahead and drove down that away and the rest is literally history.

04:20:01.000 Um, so there was a lot of, there's a lot of things that, that was brought out in the trial that I really just don't, um, I don't know.

04:20:16.000 I don't want to say too much.

04:20:17.000 My sentencing is on December 8th, but I really, there was a lot of things that were suspect.

04:20:22.000 So.

04:20:23.000 Um, now that the tapes are out, I have, uh, reached out so I could go and view some of them.

04:20:30.000 So, um, but yeah, John and, and Emily and Roger, they are just a lifesaver because I reached out to them, um, after I, I had originally had the court appointed attorney and he immediately right off the bat was telling me just to plead guilty and sign these papers and

04:20:52.000 I had read the papers and there was no way I was signing it, so I got a hold of them and they knew that I didn't, you know, I'd done lost my job pretty much over this stuff.

04:21:04.000 I'm not laughing at that, obviously, but I'm laughing at, it says in here, it says, you were seen on video walking up a set of stairs yelling, F Nancy Pelosi and F Chuck Schumer.

04:21:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

04:21:16.000 Wow, well thank you for being a voice for all of us.

04:21:21.000 I wasn't laughing at you losing your job.

04:21:22.000 I'm like reading this on the screen here.

04:21:24.000 You can see we have the giant.

04:21:25.000 It says in one video she can be heard yelling go in and then another video she's seen walking up a set of stairs yelling F Nancy Pelosi F Chuck Schumer.

04:21:37.000 Well, I have to say, my feelings haven't really changed.

04:21:41.000 You weren't violent, you know?

04:21:42.000 We used to have something called free speech in this country, so... Yeah, well, you know what's strange?

04:21:48.000 I was just gonna say, by the way, Laura, Nancy's a veteran as well.

04:21:54.000 Oh, you are a veteran as well?

04:21:56.000 Mm-hmm.

04:21:57.000 Wow, well, thank you for your service, and look, it's just so sad.

04:22:01.000 We have so many veterans who are being locked up and charged.

04:22:03.000 It's just out of control.

04:22:05.000 And where were you, if you don't mind me asking, like, where you served?

04:22:09.000 In the East Rotunda.

04:22:11.000 Okay.

04:22:11.000 No, I'm talking about your service, your military service, yeah.

04:22:14.000 Army.

04:22:15.000 The Army.

04:22:18.000 So what has life been like to you since this has happened?

04:22:21.000 Obviously,

04:22:23.000 Obviously it's probably been very, uh, you know, stressful for you to deal with, but, um, hopefully you're going to be able to spend some time with family, uh, tomorrow for Thanksgiving.

04:22:33.000 Oh, yeah.

04:22:33.000 Yeah.

04:22:33.000 Our Thanksgiving is going to be good.

04:22:35.000 Um, and hopefully everybody else's is too.

04:22:38.000 But, uh, yeah, well, it's really, it's been, you know, if I haven't put my trust in God, like I, I should have before, I, by golly, I do now.

04:22:49.000 Um, but I've just been leaning on,

04:22:52.000 Jesus, really, that's, that's it.

04:22:54.000 That's all you can do.

04:22:55.000 Cause I know, you know, everybody, everybody says, you know, if Trump gets back in and all that, which that'd be great, but you know, I don't put my trust in man.

04:23:04.000 I put it in God.

04:23:05.000 So, you know, his plans will go over top of everybody else's regardless.

04:23:14.000 To, uh, you know, find some comfort in that.

04:23:17.000 And, uh, what's the best way?

04:23:18.000 You already knew before you even got there, you were guilty.

04:23:22.000 And then they just put on a show so they can say, hey, don't be...

04:23:26.000 Nobody's getting a fair trial.

04:23:28.000 Not even Donald Trump!

04:23:29.000 I hate to say it, you have probably one of the best lawyers out of any of the J6ers, but even then, I mean, it's just... Imagine these people that don't have somebody like John, who has some crappy public defender, you know? 1.00

04:23:40.000 These people are having their whole lives destroyed.

04:23:42.000 So, I'm looking at the best way to support you as well.

04:23:45.000 You have a give, send, go?

04:23:46.000 Or what's the best way for people to support you?

04:23:48.000 You know, I don't.

04:23:50.000 I tried to make one of them, and it's not Nancy-friendly.

04:23:54.000 So, I think the best thing to do would just be to give to that NCOU, because I know they gave a little bit.

04:24:01.000 It wasn't much, but I mean, they gave some.

04:24:03.000 So, you know, so long as it makes it to John, that's all I'm really worried about.

04:24:11.000 I don't know if...

04:24:15.000 John, like I said, he uses the funds out of the NCLU to support all of these clients and so some of them are able to pay and some of them aren't.

04:24:23.000 And those of them who aren't able to pay at the moment, the NCLU, the National Constitutional Law Union, they're doing what the ACLU is supposed to be doing but isn't doing, protecting people's civil liberties.

04:24:36.000 And so that's what happens when you donate to the NCLU.

04:24:39.000 And, uh, and they use those funds to support people so that if, you know, somebody comes to them and they're not able to fully pay, you know, they are able to use these funds from NCLU.

04:24:49.000 And so it's a great organization, and I would encourage all of you to donate.

04:24:53.000 And, uh, Nancy, I want to... Should I make one, I guess, for...

04:24:59.000 I don't, you know, I don't really know how to do these kind of things.

04:25:01.000 I'm, I'm not good at asking for much.

04:25:03.000 So.

04:25:04.000 Yeah, you can easily make a gift and go, but in the meantime, people can go to NCLU.com and they can donate and they can support you.

04:25:11.000 And, um, anything else you want to say?

04:25:14.000 Any last thoughts?

04:25:15.000 Yeah.

04:25:16.000 Yeah, I did actually.

04:25:17.000 Um, so in, in the, in the beginning stages, cause I'd heard Ryan talking about the, or I think it was Ryan.

04:25:25.000 It might've been the other one.

04:25:26.000 But, um, talking about the, uh, the jurors, the jury selection.

04:25:31.000 Good golly.

04:25:34.000 We had one guy that came in, John got him out, but he was the deputy legal advisor.

04:25:40.000 Nancy, Nancy, we just have to be careful, um, about not identifying.

04:25:45.000 Okay.

04:25:46.000 Okay.

04:25:47.000 Yeah.

04:25:47.000 Yep.

04:25:47.000 I gotcha.

04:25:48.000 Copy that.

04:25:49.000 Copy that.

04:25:50.000 Yeah.

04:25:50.000 So it wasn't no good.

04:25:52.000 The whole place is pretty much government.

04:25:54.000 The moral of the story is that most of the people who live in D.C.

04:25:58.000 proper, 95% of them voted for Joe Biden, and you're either in politics or you know someone who's in politics.

04:26:06.000 We're talking about a D.C.

04:26:07.000 jury.

04:26:07.000 It's not like they're pulling these people from Virginia or Maryland.

04:26:10.000 These are people living in D.C.

04:26:12.000 You have a majority black population and I bring that up because it's not exactly diverse.

04:26:18.000 If you go to these trials you have like you know you you have majority of the people there on the jury pool are either black or hispanic and so when you look at the fact that they've called all of these people who are on trial like white supremacist Trump supporters you know you're going in there at a disadvantage if majority of the people on your jury are black and hispanic.

04:26:37.000 Not saying that they can't think for themselves but

04:26:41.000 You do notice when you go to these trials for J6ers that there is a definite ethnic imbalance, right, between the jury members.

04:26:49.000 Well, mine wasn't.

04:26:51.000 Mine wasn't.

04:26:52.000 But for a lot of them, though, like for the Proud Boys trial.

04:26:54.000 And so one of the things that I was thinking about is how, wow, they've literally branded the Proud Boys as white supremacists.

04:27:00.000 And I know that John can can speak to this, too.

04:27:03.000 I guess you're lucky in that sense, because a lot of these a lot of these trials, unfortunately, they are not balanced.

04:27:10.000 This is not a jury of your peers.

04:27:11.000 You're entitled to

04:27:33.000 Mm-hmm.

04:27:49.000 Um, you know, political, political in nature, and they are friends with Merrick Garland.

04:27:55.000 They are friends with a lot of these Democrat politicians, and they all live in this area.

04:28:01.000 It's a big bubble, and so you're not exactly going to get them to escape their political bias, which is one of the biggest outrages of, I think, in my opinion, and John, you can chime in on this too, but this whole refusal to allow for venue change is probably, like,

04:28:18.000 And along with, okay, the refusal for the venue changes and also the fact that trials are going on while J6ers never had access to their footage. 0.86

04:28:27.000 Those are probably the two biggest abominations of the way these trials are being handled, in my opinion.

04:28:32.000 There's obviously more.

04:28:34.000 But just the fact that they're not able to have access to the footage and the government's been able to use this evidence against them just completely undermines their due process rights.

04:28:43.000 And then, additionally, you can't get a fair trial as a conservative or a Trump supporter in Washington, D.C., where 95% of the people voted for Joe Biden.

04:28:51.000 It's just unbelievable.

04:28:53.000 Yeah.

04:28:54.000 Well, you know, I did a lot of praying.

04:28:58.000 And I think that, uh, I was really blessed with the judge that we had because he, I can't say I'm always the best judge of character, but he was, I believe that he was really trying to extract some semblance of justice out of the whole thing.

04:29:15.000 Cause he was, uh, he was really for both sides.

04:29:18.000 Um, he, he really tried to allow a lot of things in that some of them really fought to keep out and, and, uh, praise God for that.

04:29:26.000 So.

04:29:28.000 Well, I'm glad that you are, uh, that you are able to, you know, find some kind of comfort or some way to, you know, deal with this because it's very hard.

04:29:36.000 And John, you were about to say something.

04:29:39.000 Well, I was just going to point out and Nancy makes a good point. 0.87

04:29:41.000 You know, there, there, there, there are some, some judges who are trying very hard to, to be fairness cases and Magistrate Judge Faruqui is definitely one of them.

04:29:48.000 So, uh, Magistrate Judge Faruqui did a, did a very good job in terms of, uh, trying to conduct a fair trial.

04:29:53.000 Um, you know, from a generalized standpoint,

04:29:55.000 You know, we vote for a change of venue, I'm sure, in every single case, and lots of other lawyers have.

04:30:01.000 Every one of those motions has been denied.

04:30:03.000 Obviously, we disagree with that decision.

04:30:05.000 You know, we don't think that these cases should be in D.C., and that's going to be another issue that we take up on appeal.

04:30:12.000 But, you know, in our view, these cases should be in other places throughout the country.

04:30:17.000 Absolutely.

04:30:17.000 Well, Nancy, I want to thank you for calling in.

04:30:19.000 Again, you don't have a give, send, go, but people, if they want to support you, they can go to nclu.org.

04:30:27.000 That's where people can support you and help you.

04:30:30.000 Or you can go to Pierce Wall, and I'm sure he's got something up.

04:30:38.000 Yeah.

04:30:38.000 Well, NCLU for the J6ers.

04:30:40.000 So thank you, Nancy, and I want to thank you for coming on, and I hope you have a great Thanksgiving.

04:30:46.000 Thank you.

04:30:46.000 Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

04:30:47.000 John, thank you so much, man.

04:30:49.000 Thank you, Nancy.

04:30:50.000 God bless you.

04:30:52.000 You too.

04:30:57.000 All right.

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04:34:12.000 Flash USTLA said, it's truly heartbreaking to hear all these stories.

04:34:16.000 Just a testament of the brutality of our own government against its people, sickening that this is done.

04:34:21.000 Yeah, it's really sickening and it makes me feel like I don't have a lot to be grateful for in this country anymore.

04:34:26.000 I don't want to sound selfish because, you know, I'm not in jail and I have food and I have shelter, but I'm not really proud to be an American right now.

04:34:34.000 And I know that's going to piss some people off, but what did these people go sacrifice their lives for, put their lives in jeopardy for?

04:34:39.000 You're a veteran and you're going to potentially put it on the line for what?

04:34:43.000 You're basically saying that the service was in vain when you're going to lock these people up.

04:34:48.000 And I know that people may say, oh, you sound like a leftist, and oh, you sound like one of those commies. 0.79

04:34:54.000 Well, you know what?

04:34:55.000 I'm not really, you know, pro-government right now.

04:34:58.000 I don't think it's a bad thing to say that you are anti-government.

04:35:02.000 I feel very anti-government right now.

04:35:04.000 And I don't care if people think that that makes me a domestic terrorist. 0.99

04:35:08.000 I don't give a shit, honestly. 0.99

04:35:09.000 And you see that tonight we have the United States Capitol and the gator mouth. 0.99

04:35:14.000 I don't care if people want to say that I'm anti-government.

04:35:17.000 I'm proud to be anti-government right now because I'm not going to be... Well, nobody should really ever be pro-government.

04:35:24.000 But I'm not going to be proud of my country again, or proud to be an American, until Donald Trump is back in the White House where he belongs.

04:35:31.000 Because we need to rectify this stolen election, and we need to pardon all these J6ers. 1.00

04:35:36.000 And so, I think a lot of people actually agree with me, but they're just scared because they don't want to sound like a leftist.

04:35:41.000 Because I grew up as a patriot, I was told to love my country and to be proud to be an American.

04:35:46.000 And so saying things like, I'm not proud to be an American, that's something that usually leftists would say, right?

04:35:52.000 But now it seems like these leftists, they love America, like they love living in this country where, you know, we're pretty much living under communism and we have political prisoners and the FBI is raiding President Trump and they're raiding Trump supporters.

04:36:06.000 There's nothing to be proud about being an American these days.

04:36:09.000 And maybe that sounds really harsh.

04:36:11.000 Yeah, we live in a great country.

04:36:14.000 I don't really think that it's so great right now.

04:36:16.000 I want to be proud again to be an American.

04:36:18.000 I really do.

04:36:19.000 I want to be thankful again to be an American.

04:36:21.000 I want to be proud of what my country once represented.

04:36:27.000 And I want to be able to actually think and believe

04:36:30.000 Instead of lying to myself that I live in a great country every single time I say the Pledge of Allegiance or I sing the National Anthem, and I feel like I'm telling myself a lie when I say, the land of the free, the home of the brave.

04:36:41.000 We're not the land of the free anymore, you guys.

04:36:43.000 This might be our last Thanksgiving if Donald Trump doesn't get back into the White House.

04:36:47.000 So, I hope you're all gonna take that into perspective when you're eating your turkey and your... whatever you eat on Thanksgiving.

04:36:53.000 I don't know.

04:36:54.000 Mashed potatoes, you know, casserole.

04:36:56.000 A lot of people like different things.

04:36:57.000 I like turkey.

04:36:58.000 But...

04:36:59.000 This might really be your last Thanksgiving, so soak it up.

04:37:03.000 And I was watching Steve Bannon today, and he said, Oh, you got to get in their grill.

04:37:09.000 You got to get your family's grill when you're passing the cranberry sauce.

04:37:12.000 Yeah, he's right.

04:37:13.000 You have to be aggressive at Thanksgiving this year, and you have to tell your family members what's going on because there's not enough time for us to just say, Oh, no more dinner at the no more politics at the dinner table.

04:37:24.000 People better wake the hell up. 0.99

04:37:30.000 Someone said, I love my country, but I'm not proud of it.

04:37:32.000 Yeah, I don't hate my country.

04:37:34.000 I love my country, but I certainly don't love my government.

04:37:38.000 So, anyway.

04:37:41.000 It's not funny.

04:37:42.000 It's not hyperbole either.

04:37:44.000 Wake them up.

04:37:45.000 Yep.

04:37:49.000 Someone said, you're right, Laura, if I feel anti-government since the Nazis at the BMV said myself and husband can't get a fly license as illegals are invading us and we were born here, never broke laws, we pay our taxes.

04:38:07.000 Yeah, well, I'm just being honest.

04:38:08.000 Maybe I upset some people, but, you know, just being honest.

04:38:12.000 Alright, we have another J6-er on the line, Lloyd Cruz. 1.00

04:38:16.000 Lloyd, I haven't talked to Lloyd since he was last sentenced to jail for about 45 days.

04:38:20.000 So Lloyd, it's great to hear from you.

04:38:22.000 I haven't talked to you since you've been out of jail.

04:38:24.000 How are you doing?

04:38:24.000 Ah, every day is a good day.

04:38:27.000 Right, Ms.

04:38:28.000 Flora?

04:38:30.000 Well, I guess.

04:38:31.000 I mean, I don't know.

04:38:32.000 If you're able to have that mindset, maybe I should feel guilty about not having that mindset, right?

04:38:38.000 But I guess if you say so, right?

04:38:40.000 But how are you?

04:38:42.000 Last time we spoke, I was at your trial, of course.

04:38:44.000 I was with you in D.C.

04:38:45.000 And then, of course, you were sentenced for about, what was it, 45 days, right?

04:38:49.000 45 days and maximum security for two misdemeanors.

04:38:54.000 Yeah.

04:38:54.000 So how are you doing since you've been out of jail?

04:38:58.000 I'm trying to stay afloat, that everything is hard, that since I got released that my full security was stopped.

04:39:07.000 I'm still waiting to try to get that back.

04:39:10.000 And I also found out that the day I got sent, uh, put myself into the prison, that my health insurance was also canceled, which I still have to pay the premiums and everything else.

04:39:19.000 So going to the emergency room when I got out, man, from there it was pretty intense.

04:39:25.000 Trying to,

04:39:27.000 I don't have time for the time I left with the kids.

04:39:31.000 As you guys know my story, that I mentor my kids and other kids.

04:39:37.000 A total of about 13 kids.

04:39:39.000 And I've been trying to make up time.

04:39:40.000 I've been posting some pictures on Twitter and my Facebook.

04:39:46.000 On the progress that the girls are making.

04:39:51.000 Just trying to do what I can to go ahead and

04:39:55.000 Stay positive.

04:39:56.000 It's very, very hard to stay positive knowing that, you know, my country I love so much has turned against me.

04:40:07.000 Yeah, and so I know that you have you have Children, like you said.

04:40:10.000 I mean, how were they able to be taken care of when you were in prison?

04:40:13.000 Because I know that you were the primary.

04:40:15.000 Well, you you and your wife.

04:40:17.000 You watch the Children, but in your wife works as well.

04:40:19.000 So how is that working with your wife?

04:40:21.000 Because obviously it's a lot of Children for one person to take care of.

04:40:25.000 How are you surviving as a family right now?

04:40:30.000 Just just, um,

04:40:33.000 Well, Thanksgiving, I'm going to go ahead and throw everything together I can in the house to try to at least make something for Thanksgiving.

04:40:40.000 Christmas, we told the kids not to expect anything.

04:40:45.000 When I went to prison, my oldest son, Malachi, the one you met, he just graduated, so for a graduation gift, he got to stay home and take care of the kids while I had to go turn myself into prison.

04:41:01.000 Um he has been uh helping me out trying to get readjusted since uh now we are just living off my wife's income that it's it's very very difficult because we're so far behind on bills and everything else but trying to make sure that I uh comply with the court order of making sure my what they call restitution or whatever they want to call it is paid that um

04:41:30.000 It's hard.

04:41:34.000 This year has really took a toll on me.

04:41:40.000 My kids feel it.

04:41:42.000 They lost family.

04:41:44.000 They lost friends.

04:41:46.000 When I first got charged, we tried to do a birthday party.

04:41:50.000 No one showed up for my daughter.

04:41:53.000 I believe it was.

04:41:56.000 It might have been a son.

04:41:58.000 My daughter.

04:42:00.000 But then from there that, you know, they lost friends because of the charges.

04:42:06.000 People look at us differently.

04:42:09.000 My daughter that she gets free time in school to where she can look things up.

04:42:13.000 And yet, my kids are proud of what I've done that they asked me what, you know, why I had to go away.

04:42:18.000 And I explained to them I went there, I had to go because I was fighting for their freedom.

04:42:23.000 They don't understand the complete concept yet, the older ones do, but the younger ones

04:42:30.000 But they're just, you know, trying to do the best they can without trying to grasp what they can.

04:42:40.000 And my wife, she's been working herself to death trying to make sure that she can do what she can. 1.00

04:42:48.000 But it doesn't, it doesn't come easy.

04:42:55.000 It's terrible.

04:42:56.000 I mean, I know I've met some of your kids when we were in D.C.

04:42:59.000 for your trial.

04:43:00.000 I mean, I just think that people don't really understand, like, how devastating it's been financially for people's families.

04:43:07.000 And there's children that are suffering, too, because they

04:43:12.000 What happens if you're the main breadwinner in your family and you get sent to prison or you're the main caretaker for the children?

04:43:20.000 And so we're going to put your Give, Send, Go up on the screen as well.

04:43:24.000 And I know that John's your attorney as well.

04:43:27.000 How's your family holding up?

04:43:31.000 The family's doing okay.

04:43:33.000 Like I said, we're trying to do what we can to stay afloat and to stay positive.

04:43:42.000 It's not easy that we, you know, we, before all this happened that, you know, my wife and I were able to make everything, you know, good and dandy that we still had a decent life that we, but we try to make sure that the kids don't have to endure everything.

04:43:59.000 So my wife, uh, bends over backwards to make sure that the kids, you know, are, are always making sure that, uh, everything is, uh, fine and dandy.

04:44:12.000 My wife said she is a trooper that, you know, she puts up with a lot of stuff and from there that she tries to not show the stress that she's enduring.

04:44:22.000 That I know that, you know, it's not easy for her.

04:44:26.000 And from there that she does get stressed out.

04:44:29.000 We've both been stressed.

04:44:31.000 But in good time that everything will come back to, uh, you know, come back around.

04:44:37.000 That, um, you know, when it comes to John,

04:44:42.000 Uh, John Pierce Law, that yes, he has represented me since the beginning.

04:44:47.000 Since, uh, right before when I, when I first got charged that I got appointed a public offender and the public offender that they wanted me to plead guilty immediately.

04:45:00.000 I'm mentally disabled.

04:45:02.000 So I, it's hard to remember a lot of, uh, especially important discussions.

04:45:11.000 And the public defender did not want my wife in the room. 1.00

04:45:13.000 And I told him that she had to be there.

04:45:15.000 So she actually made sure she was actually being fed.

04:45:17.000 So I don't jump over certain subjects or whatever when it comes to discussing with her.

04:45:24.000 But one night that John, when we were looking before my court date, the night before my court date that we were stressed out, we were looking around and when we came across John's website, all the letters kept on that I would call

04:45:40.000 He didn't want to represent.

04:45:42.000 And John, it was late at night, Dancy got a deal hold of him.

04:45:46.000 But yet, John went ahead and picked up the call.

04:45:49.000 It was like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night.

04:45:53.000 And we had a really long conversation about, you know, three hours, four hours, something like that.

04:45:59.000 And I had a court in a few hours.

04:46:02.000 He went ahead and started representing me, showed up, and settled my case immediately.

04:46:10.000 You know, I never had to deal with a lawyer before that, you know, but the John Pierce that, uh, his legal team that they went above and beyond that.

04:46:21.000 My son, uh, my oldest son, he sacrificed his, uh, senior trip money that we were sending for years to go ahead and, you know, to a senior trip.

04:46:31.000 He sacrificed that to make sure that we get, I get DC for my child.

04:46:35.000 And that's when we met you.

04:46:37.000 Uh,

04:46:38.000 And when we only had enough to get there, but when John Pierce law that they are, when John heard that we were going to stay in, uh, sleep in a vehicle that next thing I know that, uh, him contact me and told me that, give me an address.

04:46:56.000 So I'm going to show up to this address and I was going to be taken care of with my son.

04:47:00.000 They went above and beyond.

04:47:02.000 I could tell you from firsthand experience when I was sitting there, um, and, uh,

04:47:06.000 We're good to go.

04:47:31.000 That includes what they give up.

04:47:33.000 I know Em, she sacrificed a lot of family time to make sure that she was doing what she can for the J6. 1.00

04:47:37.000 That when it comes to NCLU, I could vouch for what they've done.

04:47:43.000 And for the ones out there that, uh, for the people out there that are listening, when it comes to Laura that, you know, when I went through my trials, no one showed up.

04:47:54.000 That Laura was right there sitting next to me, making sure I felt comfortable and

04:48:01.000 Uh everything only people I was there was my son that went with me and uh Laura and my legal team that they were the only ones that were there that it wasn't for Laura and my legal team making sure that I understood what was going on that I would have lost a long time ago I can't thank John enough I can't thank uh the legal team enough I cannot thank you enough uh Laura that

04:48:28.000 When times got tough, that's when, you know, I've had John call me up when I was having a hard time and tweeted something bad on Twitter or something like that.

04:48:36.000 He would call me up in the middle of the night to make sure I was okay.

04:48:39.000 I've had you do the same thing, Roy, making sure I was okay.

04:48:43.000 There was times I felt like giving up.

04:48:45.000 But, because I had a great legal team, I had great people standing with me, it kept me pushing through.

04:48:55.000 And, like,

04:48:56.000 When I first started talking to John, I told him, I'm putting my life in your hands.

04:49:00.000 Matt, you are the expert in this.

04:49:04.000 I don't know what's going on.

04:49:05.000 I have no clue what to do.

04:49:06.000 I need your opinion on what to do.

04:49:12.000 Yeah, I remember being there with you and I'm just glad that you stayed strong.

04:49:16.000 And I remember those nights when you would call and...

04:49:19.000 You know, you felt like you were giving up because it puts people through psychological terror.

04:49:22.000 I mean, it makes people want to kill themselves, and people need to understand this.

04:49:26.000 Like, it's rough, you know, and that's a reality.

04:49:29.000 Like, you're not the only J6er I've walked off the ledge. 1.00

04:49:31.000 I hate to say it, but I know a lot of them, and I get a lot of phone calls for people watching, and a lot of them are J6ers telling me they want to kill themselves. 1.00

04:49:40.000 And I have to calmly talk these people off the ledge.

04:49:44.000 It's real.

04:49:45.000 People are really struggling.

04:49:46.000 John's had those phone calls too, but they don't understand what the federal government is doing to these people.

04:49:51.000 They're literally driving people to the point of wanting to kill themselves.

04:49:56.000 Well, like, my wife and I, we built up one heck of a life that, you know, we're not perfect.

04:50:01.000 Let's far from it.

04:50:02.000 That, you know, like right now that with, uh, my kids that, my kids and the kids I mentor, I do everything I can to make sure that they're taken care of.

04:50:12.000 My wife makes sure that they're taken care of.

04:50:19.000 How much is enough when it comes to the government to keep on stripping us of our rights?

04:50:24.000 Because I was sentenced and everything, I was given 45 days in prison and one year of probation for misdemeanors.

04:50:33.000 In prison, no one could believe I was there for misdemeanors.

04:50:37.000 They could not believe I was there.

04:50:38.000 I had to show my paperwork that I was there for misdemeanors.

04:50:41.000 In a maximum security facility.

04:50:43.000 And I went through hell in that prison.

04:50:46.000 And so now that, uh, now I'm on probation, and so now that I was going to be doing Twitter and everything else, but I was informed by, uh, I don't know, I won't say who, but I was informed by part of the court system that I cannot have any contact with anybody that's on paper, uh, misdemeanors, felonies, stuff like that.

04:51:11.000 And if I, uh, am on, uh, if I'm talking to him, even on Twitter or something like that, and I'm having discussions, that is considered, what is that, third party contact or whatever they want to call it.

04:51:23.000 So I'm having to skate on ice to make sure that I do not, uh, violate my probation.

04:51:28.000 And then they, it gives them a right to arrest me and throw me right back in.

04:51:32.000 Uh, you know, it's hard.

04:51:40.000 Knowing that I didn't do anything wrong.

04:51:42.000 All I did is walk through an open door and I was in there for less than seven minutes.

04:51:46.000 That I didn't remember even going in there because there was so much going on.

04:51:51.000 My mind shuts off and there's a lot of commotion and my panic attacks and everything else I was hitting.

04:51:56.000 That's when I started.

04:51:58.000 It's like flight mode and I didn't remember being there.

04:52:02.000 And I've been trying to get my tapes that the FBI took, but yet I can't even get the tapes.

04:52:09.000 To know what actually happened in there.

04:52:11.000 That... You know, John Pierce Law, that... They need our help.

04:52:17.000 John has given up so much.

04:52:19.000 His legal team has given up so much.

04:52:21.000 We need to continue helping those that are helping us.

04:52:24.000 My sponsors, that... You know, they helped get me the... For my... For my sentencing.

04:52:31.000 That I created a Cruising of Victory.

04:52:33.000 I rode a motorcycle from Kansas City all the way to D.C.

04:52:38.000 And I had a couple of patriots that joined the ride and I had one that followed me all the way to DC to make sure I was safe and sat there with me during my sentencing.

04:52:52.000 I didn't know what I was walking into.

04:52:53.000 I was a lamb going into the slaughter is what I felt like.

04:52:57.000 That the Crucifixion Victory that I wanted to make sure that it spreads awareness to, you know, on America that how Americans are being treated.

04:53:06.000 Because you love your country that we are literally being hunted down and tortured.

04:53:12.000 That we can't give up the fight, we have to continue moving forward.

04:53:16.000 And for my, uh, for the lessons I'm trying to teach the kids that we can't stop the fight.

04:53:25.000 We can't stop giving, you know, information on what's going on.

04:53:29.000 I got to make sure that my kids and the kids that I mentor that they have something to look forward to.

04:53:36.000 Because my gut is that, you know, government's already took in all the holidays from us, that I was in there for 4th of July, I was in there for my anniversary, I was in there, you know, for the summer, so we couldn't do anything.

04:53:50.000 And now that I'm out, Thanksgiving and Christmas are gonna suck.

04:53:55.000 But yet, we'll find a way to, you know, get through it. 0.78

04:53:59.000 Why did you say it's gonna suck? 0.52

04:54:03.000 Just that, knowing that,

04:54:07.000 I've lost a lot of family, a lot of friends.

04:54:11.000 My wife, that she actually had a friend call her up that she's known since elementary or middle school.

04:54:17.000 She's known her entire life, and yet they don't want nothing to do with us because of the fact that what my charges are.

04:54:23.000 We've lost so many people we thought were there for us.

04:54:27.000 So, the main thing is that we're going to have each other.

04:54:31.000 That's the main thing.

04:54:34.000 Just knowing that when it comes to the whole incident,

04:54:37.000 Not having people that we can actually rely on because they've shown their true colors.

04:54:41.000 Doesn't mean that we're going to give up on them.

04:54:43.000 They'll come around.

04:54:45.000 With the new evidence that is coming out, the new video footage and stuff like that, it's coming out.

04:54:51.000 But those people are never your friends.

04:54:54.000 Those people are never your friends if they're going to abandon you.

04:54:57.000 So aside from those people leaving you and abandoning you, what else, what else is going to make it suck?

04:55:05.000 Knowing that the rightful president is not sitting where he should.

04:55:10.000 Look at all the people that are literally sitting, are going to be sitting in a prison when they should be home with their families for doing nothing.

04:55:17.000 The ones that were just there to go ahead and, you know, voice their concerns.

04:55:23.000 And so many patriots were trying to protect the law enforcement was there, even though the law enforcement was against us.

04:55:30.000 And yet now they're giving up, you know, years upon years of their life.

04:55:37.000 It's hard knowing that a country that patriots love, that we should be proud of, it turned its back on us, and yet it's coming after us.

04:55:50.000 No, it's so true, and it's sad.

04:55:53.000 I mean, I just want to make sure, like, are you going to be able to have food for your family this year on Thanksgiving?

04:55:58.000 Because I know it's been, like, very difficult for you and your family and your five kids.

04:56:04.000 Well, like, I'm going to have

04:56:07.000 I'm pretty good at trying to figure something out.

04:56:23.000 Well, I want to make sure that you have a good Thanksgiving and I want to make sure that since you've been out of prison and because your son had to sacrifice his money for his senior trip, I want to make sure that you have a Thanksgiving dinner and so I'm going to personally pay for you to have a Thanksgiving meal for you and your children this year.

04:56:47.000 Thank you so much.

04:56:49.000 And I'll connect with you after the show tonight, too.

04:56:53.000 Well, you know, you have my cell phone number, so you let me know, like, where you want me to send you money and I'll pay for it.

04:56:59.000 Okay.

04:57:01.000 Well, thank you so much, Laura.

04:57:24.000 And anybody else on this call tonight, really?

04:57:27.000 I mean, I know some people don't like talking about it because people get embarrassed when they feel like they can't feed themselves or their kids.

04:57:32.000 But if anybody else who called in tonight doesn't have food for Thanksgiving, they just let me know and I'll make sure that I'll personally send them money from my own personal bank account to make sure that they have food for Thanksgiving.

04:57:46.000 Thank you so much, Saloma.

04:57:48.000 If I can make one quick announcement or statement, if I can, because I know that President Trump

04:57:53.000 Listen to your recordings a lot.

04:57:56.000 Um, if I could please say one thing real quick.

04:58:01.000 Yeah, go ahead.

04:58:02.000 You're live.

04:58:03.000 Go ahead.

04:58:03.000 All right.

04:58:06.000 Uh, President Trump, I have wrote you many, many, many letters, uh, since, uh, you first started running.

04:58:12.000 And I, I've been trying to reach you for the longest time.

04:58:16.000 I know you're busy.

04:58:18.000 But this country needs you.

04:58:20.000 Do not give up the fight.

04:58:23.000 It's a hard fight, and yet you've proven that we all have our battles, and we must stand up and continue with the fight.

04:58:34.000 If you can, please feel free to reach out.

04:58:39.000 The most important thing is, Mr. President, that you can never

04:58:47.000 But what you have done and given up for this great country, it can never be repaid until the country gets back on track.

04:58:57.000 And you will be living in history books as one of the greatest presidents that ever lived.

04:59:03.000 That what you have constantly given up and shown that America, what America stands for, is one thing that all Americans need to make sure that we understand.

04:59:18.000 That our constitutional rights are the most sacred thing next to the Ten Commandments.

04:59:25.000 My wife and I, we discussed a lot of times that in order for our country to get back on track, we need to go back to understanding the Ten Commandments, making sure that people understand it, as well as the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

04:59:40.000 That no matter what, Mr. President, that we love you and we can never

04:59:47.000 Ever thank you enough for what you and your family has given up for us.

04:59:55.000 Absolutely.

04:59:56.000 I, uh, I agree with all of that.

04:59:58.000 So brings a tear to my eye, actually getting a little sad here because, uh, it's true.

05:00:05.000 He's given up so much and, um, really the fate of so many of these, uh, J sixers yourself and others included really rests in President Trump getting reelected again for 0.99

05:00:16.000 Third time, right?

05:00:17.000 And that's what they're trying to do.

05:00:18.000 They're trying to destroy our country, they're trying to take Trump away from us, and they're trying to make it so that we don't have any advocates in our government, so that people like you and your families are torn apart, and pretty much everybody else who was listening in tonight, so... Yeah.

05:00:32.000 But I'll make sure that I clip that clip and I'll post it online, because you're right, he does read my stuff, and hopefully we can get your message to him.

05:00:41.000 Alright, thank you so much, Lauren.

05:00:44.000 Yeah, and if you want to support Lloyd and his legal fund, you can do so on his GiveSendGo.

05:00:49.000 We have it up on the screen here.

05:00:51.000 And like I said, Lloyd, I'll text you tonight.

05:00:54.000 It's one o'clock in the morning here now, but I'll message you and let me know how I can send you some money so that you can go out to the store at least tomorrow and make sure that you get groceries so you and your family are able to have Thanksgiving together.

05:01:10.000 Thank you so much.

05:01:12.000 And thank you and John and the entire Pierce legal team for everything you guys do every day that this country that one day that they will understand how much that the lost pure here.

05:01:31.000 John Pierce law firm has done for our country.

05:01:34.000 There's other great lawyers that have been working on the J6.

05:01:38.000 But John is the first one actually started standing up and took on so many cases and gave up so much to make sure that the J6ers actually had a proper legal defense. 1.00

05:01:49.000 Sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied.

05:01:53.000 But thank you, John.

05:01:54.000 Thank you, Laura, for everything you guys do.

05:01:57.000 Thank you, Lloyd.

05:01:57.000 Well, thank you.

05:01:58.000 Thank you, Lloyd.

05:01:58.000 It's been an honor.

05:01:59.000 Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, and we'll be in touch today, all right?

05:02:05.000 Alright, thank you so much.

05:02:07.000 You guys have a good night, okay?

05:02:08.000 You too.

05:02:09.000 Happy Thanksgiving.

05:02:10.000 Happy Thanksgiving.

05:02:12.000 Happy Thanksgiving.

05:02:14.000 So, just awful.

05:02:16.000 Just so sad, you know?

05:02:17.000 Yeah, that's how you know.

05:02:19.000 Actually, it really made me tear up right there listening to him because it's just so sad, you know?

05:02:25.000 It really is just so awful what our country has turned into.

05:02:28.000 It's really depressing.

05:02:29.000 I mean, I feel genuinely, like, depressed about it, you know?

05:02:32.000 Like, when I say that there's things that I, like, mope about in the morning, like, it's... Honestly, I get very depressed when I think about the country.

05:02:40.000 I really do.

05:02:40.000 Like, I don't know how you can't.

05:02:42.000 I'm so immersed in it every single day.

05:02:44.000 I mean, there's just times where it's a little much, and I'm like, oh my God.

05:02:47.000 Kind of just need to, like, lounge in bed, you know?

05:02:50.000 And feel down about things because it's just so depressing, like being exposed to this every single day and just looking at the absolute communist shithole our country has turned into.

05:03:05.000 Look, we're in the fight of our lives.

05:03:07.000 And one thing that I think you've seen a thread through tonight, Laura, and you've seen this because you talk to so many of these folks.

05:03:16.000 The rest of us can take inspiration from these people because they are facing the worst circumstances of their entire lives.

05:03:22.000 They're facing the full force of the most powerful government institutions in the history of the world.

05:03:28.000 And, you know, they are

05:03:30.000 They are bent and they are down, but they're not broken.

05:03:36.000 And it's really amazing how these regular Americans, you know, they're put through the wringer, but they're not broken and they're going to get through this.

05:03:46.000 Absolutely.

05:03:47.000 Well, we had a we had a lot of clients on tonight.

05:03:50.000 I know that we were going to say we got we wanted to do at least 10 and there are more people who called and it's late.

05:03:57.000 It's one o'clock in the morning and we've been live for five hours now.

05:04:00.000 And so I know that when we originally scheduled this, we were planning on doing about 10 calls.

05:04:06.000 And so what I've what I've agreed to do

05:04:08.000 Because people have responded to this so well, and because there's so many, and I want to make sure that everybody's able to get on.

05:04:16.000 I mean, I believe my producer's letting me know right now.

05:04:18.000 How many did we get in tonight?

05:04:23.000 I believe it was about 10.

05:04:27.000 So we're going to have more.

05:04:28.000 We're going to have the rest of the people on.

05:04:31.000 There's about 10 more, right?

05:04:33.000 Who also contacted you when they found out about this stream and they wanted to come on.

05:04:38.000 And so I've agreed to do another stream next week because...

05:04:43.000 Because it's been five hours now, and I can't keep everybody here in the studio here all night because some people have some things they need to do in the morning as well.

05:04:52.000 And so we're going to do another one of these because I want to make sure that every J six or who I said would be able to come on is able to come on. 1.00

05:04:59.000 And so next week I'll do another stream.

05:05:01.000 I have to stay up really late again.

05:05:03.000 I will because I want to keep my word to everybody and make sure that everybody has an opportunity.

05:05:09.000 To tell their story, and there is no loomer unleashed on Thursday because it is Thanksgiving.

05:05:14.000 And so that's why I wanted to do this.

05:05:16.000 This long.

05:05:18.000 We called it the Thanksgiving Turkey Trumpeth on right because Joe Biden, right?

05:05:23.000 They want to pardon turkeys and Iranian terrorists in our country. 0.54

05:05:26.000 But we have J sixers right now who have been forgotten by our governments, and they're being persecuted.

05:05:31.000 And so I want to thank you, John, because obviously you're very busy lawyer and you stayed on the stream for five hours tonight to

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05:06:03.000 To use your talents to fight against this regime that we're living under, this illegitimate communist regime, and to help these people because so many of them said that you helped them at their worst moments in life and that they were feeling like they were going to give up.

05:06:19.000 So I'm thankful that there's people like you out there who literally prevented people from killing themselves because you provided them representation and you took their calls in times of need, and that's a heavy thought to process.

05:06:30.000 But you heard several of them mention it tonight that they felt like killing themselves until they got you on the phone.

05:06:36.000 So they're very thankful for you.

05:06:38.000 And I think our country owes a lot of gratitude to people like you, John, who are willing to sacrifice your life and give up a life of fame and fortune working for a multimillion dollar

05:06:47.000 We're good to go.

05:07:02.000 And it's not just J sixers. 1.00

05:07:03.000 They have a lot of cases over and tell you they do vaccine mandate cases.

05:07:06.000 They do a lot of cases, right?

05:07:07.000 He's representing me and my case against big tech for, you know, they represent a lot of people.

05:07:13.000 They were there fighting a lot of fights right now, but most of their clients, I would say, are probably these J sixers. 1.00

05:07:17.000 You have, uh, you said 38 J six or clients.

05:07:20.000 So go to N C l. You again. 1.00

05:07:22.000 We'll flash it on the screen.

05:07:23.000 N c l u dot org. 1.00

05:07:24.000 Make a donation.

05:07:25.000 Become a member of N C l u and help these people, right? 0.74

05:07:30.000 Help these people.

05:07:32.000 Help these people if you're looking to give charity this year for the holidays.

05:07:35.000 Right, John?

05:07:35.000 Go ahead.

05:07:37.000 No, I'm just going to say thank you so much for saying that.

05:07:39.000 You know how much those words mean to me coming from you.

05:07:42.000 And you're not going to give up.

05:07:44.000 I'm not going to give up.

05:07:45.000 These January Sixers cannot give up. 0.93

05:07:47.000 We have to take our country back and we've got to do it together. 0.89

05:07:49.000 So thank you for this and thank you for everything you do.

05:07:53.000 It's my pleasure.

05:07:53.000 You know, you have a responsibility to use your platform for good when you have a large following, and for years it was taken from me.

05:08:00.000 And you've seen me at my worst and my rock bottom where I've been feeling desperate and in situations like that as well.

05:08:08.000 And so I know what it's like.

05:08:09.000 I know what it's like to be driven to the edge.

05:08:10.000 I really do.

05:08:11.000 I wrote about it in my book.

05:08:13.000 I talk about it, and you've seen it in representing me and the legal hell I've had to deal with and the persecution.

05:08:20.000 Right, I've been targeted by the FBI too and I know what it's like to be driven to a point where you literally want to just die because you feel so desperate and you feel like you're never going to be able to get any type of justice and I don't like that feeling.

05:08:33.000 It was a dark feeling for me and I've been able to fight through it and

05:08:36.000 I hope that these people are able to fight through it as well and it's sad that some weren't.

05:08:40.000 It's sad that people have unfortunately taken their own life because of our own government, because our own government has driven people to suicide, because they have such a vendetta against Donald Trump that they want to literally destroy people, innocent people who didn't even do anything wrong.

05:08:54.000 They walked inside the United States Capitol and just the double standard and the lack of due process in this country and the weaponization of government against Donald Trump and his supporters

05:09:04.000 People better wake up, right?

05:09:06.000 People better wake up, and I hope that people pay attention this Thanksgiving because, like I said, it could be your last Thanksgiving.

05:09:12.000 So I hope you do something worthwhile with your last Thanksgiving because it might be your last Thanksgiving.

05:09:18.000 And I wanted to use my platform to do something worthwhile on what might be all of our last Thanksgiving.

05:09:23.000 We might not have a country come next year at this time.

05:09:26.000 It's going to be after the election.

05:09:28.000 The election is November 5th.

05:09:29.000 I don't think people are really thinking that way, but everybody needs to start thinking.

05:09:35.000 Yeah, well, let's get Donald Trump back in office and then we can put the country back on track and we can have real accountability, you know, for the folks who deserve it in a legal, constitutional, you know, appropriate way.

05:09:46.000 And, you know, that's what everyone has to be focused on every day is what can they do to get Donald Trump reelected back into office.

05:09:53.000 Absolutely, because the only hope for some of these J6ers who have been sentenced to super long prison terms, and luckily you've been able to help get them reduced, is Donald Trump getting back into the White House. 1.00

05:10:08.000 Where can people follow you aside from NCLU.com?

05:10:12.000 Also, NCLU.org, it goes to the same website.

05:10:15.000 You can donate NCLU.com at the top right corner.

05:10:18.000 Click the donate button, become a member.

05:10:20.000 Where do people follow you?

05:10:21.000 I know you're on Twitter.

05:10:22.000 Where can people support you, follow you, and pay attention and follow up on all your cases?

05:10:28.000 Yeah, sure.

05:10:29.000 They can check out my law firm website, JohnPierceLaw.com.

05:10:33.000 And on Twitter, I'm CalikidJMP.

05:10:35.000 C-A-L-I-K-I-D J-M-P. 1.00

05:10:38.000 Great.

05:10:39.000 Wonderful.

05:10:40.000 Well, John, thanks for everything that you do, and hopefully you're able to take some time as well to enjoy your Thanksgiving.

05:10:45.000 I know you're always working nonstop.

05:10:47.000 You never get a break, but we are thankful for you.

05:10:50.000 I know that all these people that called in tonight, your clients, the J6ers, are thankful for you, and just want to thank you for everything that you do for fighting for the cause of freedom. 1.00

05:11:02.000 No, they're standing up against a tyrannical government.

05:11:04.000 That's the least I can do, and it's an honor to fight for them.

05:11:07.000 Great.

05:11:07.000 Well, thank you, John.

05:11:08.000 Happy Thanksgiving.

05:11:09.000 Happy Thanksgiving, Laura.

05:11:15.000 Really bad times in our country, you guys.

05:11:18.000 Really desperate times for a lot of people.

05:11:21.000 A lot of people are very desperate right now, and hopefully that opened your eyes.

05:11:24.000 You were able to see some of these people up front and close and hear their stories.

05:11:28.000 And, you know, I'm not trying to ruin your Thanksgiving.

05:11:31.000 I'm not.

05:11:31.000 But I'm also trying to put it into perspective for you that not everything is about, oh, it's a holiday weekend.

05:11:36.000 We're going to go eat turkey and we're going to eat and we're just going to hang out with our family and talk and have a good time.

05:11:42.000 Like, yeah, that's nice.

05:11:43.000 And I know people like enjoying their holidays.

05:11:46.000 Just remember, people are suffering right now.

05:11:48.000 People in our country are being persecuted.

05:11:51.000 Donald Trump is being persecuted.

05:11:53.000 We are losing our country and this might be our last Thanksgiving.

05:11:56.000 And so I just wanted everybody to understand this and watch this and have it in the back of your mind.

05:12:01.000 This is something that you can talk about when you're at Thanksgiving dinner.

05:12:04.000 Remind your family members and your friends that there's people that are sitting in a jail

05:12:11.000 I think it's really important that we put in two perspectives.

05:12:22.000 Yes, we have things to be grateful for, but we're also losing our country, and there's a lot to not be grateful for.

05:12:26.000 There's a lot to think about as it relates to whether or not we're going to have a country or freedom or things to be grateful for in a year from now.

05:12:35.000 Because it may not be here.

05:12:36.000 That's how severe things are in our country right now.

05:12:39.000 And so I just want to reiterate.

05:12:42.000 I'm grateful for all of you.

05:12:43.000 I'm very thankful for all of my viewers and all of my supporters.

05:12:46.000 I'm grateful for people like John Pierce, who are fighting the good fight and, you know, all these J sixers who are really just really such inspirational. 1.00

05:12:56.000 We're good to go.

05:13:20.000 Honestly, that's really how I feel, which is why I do everything I can every single day to help President Trump get elected.

05:13:26.000 And so I hope that all of you will develop that same sense of urgency.

05:13:29.000 And with that...

05:13:33.000 Just want to say, you know, thank you, President Trump, for giving people a reason to fight.

05:13:37.000 Thank you, President Trump, for never giving up, and thank you to all of these J6ers who you heard from tonight, and the many more who, you know, maybe we're never going to cross paths, and there's thousands of people that are being persecuted and affected right now by the federal government. 1.00

05:13:50.000 Thank you for never giving up, and thank you for taking a stand on J6.

05:13:54.000 The government wants to call you domestic terrorists, and the government wants to call you traitors, and the government wants to say that you're criminals, but

05:14:01.000 I think that you're patriots, and I think that January 6th, when President Trump pardons all of these J6ers, should go down in history as a national holiday. 1.00

05:14:09.000 And we should have January 6th classified as a federal national holiday, a banking holiday, where everybody gets to take time off and think about the dangers of a weaponized government and reflect on why it's so important that we never allow for

05:14:28.000 For agents within our federal government or the federal government to become so weaponized that it could drive somebody to suicide or destroy an American family.

05:14:36.000 I do.

05:14:37.000 I think that it's such a stain on our country that it should be a federal holiday and every single American should be forced to study the meaning of J6 in their schools. 0.96

05:14:46.000 And I personally think that when all these J6ers get pardoned, right, and I hope their records will be expunged, that we start referring to these people as patriots. 1.00

05:14:56.000 Because our founding fathers would have been considered insurrectionists.

05:14:59.000 They would have started a J6 committee for the founding fathers.

05:15:04.000 Think about it.

05:15:05.000 Our country was born in an act of insurrection and revolution.

05:15:11.000 These people are patriots, just like our founding fathers were patriots and heroes.

05:15:16.000 And just like we look back and we celebrate our founding fathers, or at least we did until the radical left woke cancer in our countries, tried telling us that we should be ashamed of our founding fathers, I do believe that history is going to frown upon

05:15:29.000 Those who persecuted the J6ers.

05:15:31.000 They're going to be looked down upon like people like Hitler and Stalin and Mao.

05:15:35.000 They are.

05:15:35.000 They're going to go down in history as the worst people in human history.

05:15:40.000 They're going to be looked at like the dictators and the communist regimes around the world that killed millions of people.

05:15:46.000 Okay?

05:15:47.000 That's what the people on the J6 committee are going to go down in history as.

05:15:50.000 They're going to go down as communist killers.

05:15:52.000 And all the J6 patriots that you heard from tonight and everybody else who supports President Trump and showed up on J6 to fight for election integrity and to fight against the stolen election, they're going to be remembered as American patriots.

05:16:05.000 Mark my word.

05:16:06.000 But in order to have that happen, we must get President Trump reelected.

05:16:11.000 With that, thank you so much for tuning in to episode 11 of Lumer Unleashed.

05:16:16.000 Again, we are not having Lumer Unleashed on Thanksgiving this week because it is Thanksgiving and my production team is going to be enjoying Thanksgiving.

05:16:24.000 And so with that, I hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

05:16:28.000 Remember what I said to you tonight?

05:16:30.000 If you are just tuning in now, you can go back and watch the live stream.

05:16:34.000 It's going to be available.

05:16:35.000 Be sure that you repost it, even after the fact, so others can watch this historic stream.

05:16:41.000 I don't think anybody else has really ever done a live stream this long, a telethon with all the J6ers, and so I am proud to use my platform to give these brave patriots a voice. 1.00

05:16:52.000 And with that, Happy Thanksgiving, and I will see you next week for another episode of Lumer Unleashed.

05:17:00.000 There is a young female journalist, conservative journalist, by the name of Laura Loomer.

05:17:10.000 If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes. 0.95

05:17:16.000 Chained herself to the ground?

05:17:17.000 Is she chained? 0.86

05:17:42.000 Let's go.

Loomer Unleashed - November 21, 2023

EP11: Thanksgiving Turkey Trumpathon: J6 Political Prisoners Call-in and Tell Their Stories, Special Guest Jacob Chansley

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