The FDA and EPA are phasing out cruel animal testing in order to help protect innocent animals who are subjected to taxpayer funded animal testing. PETA and other animal rights groups have praised the Trump administration for this change. But is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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00:41:20.000We have a very, very interesting episode planned tonight here at Loomer Unleashed.
00:41:25.000We're going to be speaking with Justin Goodman, who's the senior VP of an organization called White Coat Waste.
00:41:32.000And if you've been following the news this week, then you may have seen a story about how President Trump's FDA is significantly cutting back on animal testing, which is incredible.
00:41:43.000You know that I'm an animal lover myself.
00:41:48.000President Trump has really led the charge on this.
00:41:50.000This is something that he did during his first administration as well, passing executive orders addressing animal cruelty.
00:41:58.000And now in the second Trump administration, President Trump and his administration officials through the FDA and also the EPA have announced that they are significantly cutting back on animal testing to help protect innocent animals who are subjected to...
00:42:43.000It's interesting, isn't it, how, scroll back up, you may just have to refresh that page.
00:42:48.000Isn't it interesting how the Democrat Party likes to bill itself as the party that focuses on the environment and animal rights, and yeah, it's Republicans.
00:42:58.000It's literally the Trump administration that is phasing out these cruel tests on animals.
00:43:04.000You could probably find other articles about it, too.
00:43:22.000FDA announces plan to phase out animal testing requirement for monoclonal antibodies and other drugs.
00:43:29.000This was a couple of days ago, but you know.
00:43:31.000Got kind of lost amid all the news with the tariffs and cracking down on China and Passover, and, you know, we're coming up on Easter, so a lot of stories have obviously distracted from this, but I don't think that it received enough attention, which is why I wanted to focus the entire episode on this subject tonight,
00:43:49.000because I don't think a lot of people are aware of the fact that there is still a lot of...
00:43:55.000Animal testing happening in our country and it's being funded by groups like the NIH, which we know was overseen by Anthony Fauci.
00:44:04.000You know, just because President Trump is back in the White House and he's cracking down on animal testing doesn't mean that there still aren't Biden holdovers and individuals who funded a lot of animal testing during the Biden regime who are still there trying to fund animal testing.
00:44:19.000And so here it says the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is taking a groundbreaking step to advance public health by replacing animal testing and the development of monoclonal antibody therapies and other drugs with more effective human-relevant methods.
00:44:33.000The new approach is designed to improve drug safety and accelerate the evaluation process while reducing animal experimentation, lowering research and development costs and ultimately drug prices.
00:44:46.000The FDA's animal testing requirement will be reduced, refined, and potentially replaced using a range of approaches, including AI-based computational models of toxicity in cell lines and organoid toxicity testing in a laboratory setting.
00:45:02.000If you saw my website today, Lumard.com, and be sure that you bookmark my website, Lumard.com, so that you're reading all of our breaking exclusive updates and reports.
00:45:53.000Working with the new Trump administration and the Department of Government Deficiency, White Coat Waste is already scoring major wins by exposing millions of dollars of taxpayer money used in cruel and wasteful animal testing in the United States and abroad.
00:46:06.000One of White Coat Waste's top priorities for Trump and Doge is slashing funding for laboratories worldwide that carry out cruel and unethical testing on cats and dogs.
00:46:15.000Recently, White Coat Waste has exposed federal contracts funded by the National Institute of Health, NIH, and the Department of Defense paying to torture 300 beagles per week in Chinese labs.
00:46:33.000You know, my dog Mecca, my little Yorkie poo that you have seen on the show before.
00:46:38.000She's one of my four dogs that I have.
00:46:40.000She was actually rescued from a Chinese meat market, and so they do not treat animals very well in China.
00:46:46.000And, you know, my next guest, who has now connected, Justin Goodman, the senior vice president of White Coast Waste, joins me tonight to talk about this latest investigation and expose uncovered by White Coast Waste.
00:47:04.000And how our taxpayer dollars are still, to this day, under the Trump administration, going towards funding cruel and abusive animal testing experiments in labs here in the United States and labs abroad that are funded by our taxpayer dollars.
00:47:20.000So joining me now is Justin Goodman, the Senior Vice President of White Coat Waste.
00:47:38.000So I figure that while Americans are...
00:47:42.000You know, sitting around having dinner or digesting their dinner, watching my show tonight, maybe crying themselves to sleep over the money that they had to send the federal government today to pay their taxes.
00:47:54.000They would like to know where some of their taxpayer money is going.
00:47:59.000All those big checks that people sent today to the IRS.
00:48:02.000We're going to have a very, very emotional conversation about how some of that money is being used to fund these cruel experiments.
00:48:19.000We put the story out on my website, Lumard.com, today.
00:48:23.000We just showed the article, let's get it back on the screen, about how White Coat Waste, uncovered through their investigation, you sent a FOIA request, and you got documents that show that the co-founder of Moderna actually received A ton of taxpayer money.
00:48:42.000You can scroll down and see the details of this article just so that people can see the receipts right here.
00:48:47.000Through the Freedom of Information Act, FOIA, White Coat Waste has uncovered how in 2024 the NIH, and it's 2024 but they're still conducting these experiments today, forked over $322,000 of our taxpayer money to a biotech company co-founded and run by Robert Langer,
00:49:05.000who was the billionaire co-founder of Moderna.
00:49:08.000And now he, you know, He has his own bio lab called Langer's Sintus Bio, and they're receiving our taxpayer dollars to conduct these horrific experiments on dogs and pigs.
00:49:21.000What can you tell us about this, Justin?
00:49:24.000So, yeah, we, you know, as you said, today's tax day, and I think most taxpayers would be shocked to learn that the federal government is the single largest funder of animal testing in the world, and over $20 billion of the money that Hard-working Americans just sent to Uncle Sam is going to be wasted to torture dogs,
00:49:44.000cats, primates, and other animals in laboratories, both in the United States and abroad in places like China.
00:49:50.000And our recent investigation that you broke today, and thank you so much for doing that, shows that these tax dollars are being sent to billionaires.
00:49:58.000The billionaire co-founder of Moderna, who is an mRNA pioneer, who is a startup He has tons of startup companies.
00:50:13.000But Uncle Sam, the NIH in particular, sent him over $300,000 last year to fund R&D for a new Ozempic-like competitor drug that mimics the effects of a gastric bypass surgery.
00:50:26.000And the way they're doing this testing is that they're force-feeding this experimental drug to dogs for eight months at a time to see what happens.
00:50:37.000Obviously, Robert Langer, billionaire co-founder of Moderna, does not need taxpayer dollars.
00:50:43.000And that's the same for a lot of these colleges and universities, places like Harvard, places like Yale, places like the University of California that have multi-billion dollar, tens of billion dollar endowments in some cases.
00:51:00.000And just so people know, speaking of endowments, he currently is teaching at MIT.
00:51:06.000So if you want to express your outrage, it's really interesting.
00:51:09.000Again, we talked about in the beginning opening of the show tonight how the Democrats traditionally have been described as the party that cares about the environment and animal welfare.
00:51:19.000And, you know, for years we were brainwashed into thinking that it's the Democrats that care about these causes.
00:51:25.000But during the first Trump administration, I'm sure that we can pull the receipts on that and show everybody on the screen here because we're all about the receipts here at Loomer Unleashed.
00:51:54.000But not only that, you know, you have all these liberal institutions like MIT and Harvard and all of these elite research institutions where they pride themselves on being very liberal.
00:52:04.000And yet they're the ones that are funding and participating and hiring individuals like Bob Langer of Moderna to conduct these horrific experiments.
00:52:17.000Speaking of Harvard, two of the animal testing grants that Trump has cut already in these first few weeks or first few months of the administration We're transgender animal experiments that we exposed that were being conducted at Harvard University with millions of our tax dollars.
00:52:34.000Obviously, Trump is now cracking down on all funding to Harvard, which is great because there's tens of thousands of animals locked in Harvard's taxpayer-funded animal laboratories, and taxpayers shouldn't be forced to foot the bill for that, especially at an institution like Harvard that has billions of dollars in its stockpile waiting to be spent.
00:52:51.000And we're seeing this across the country.
00:52:53.000Colleges and universities are Public enemy number one when it comes to taxpayer-funded animal testing.
00:52:59.000And they're the ones on Capitol Hill lobbying against these reforms that the Trump administration is calling for to cut funding for animal testing.
00:53:06.000Because animal testing to colleges, universities, professors around the country is a big business.
00:53:30.000We're not living better lives, but people are getting rich.
00:53:34.000Absolutely. And a lot of people may not know your organization, White Coat Waste, but they certainly know of the work that you've done.
00:53:41.000And so, as you were saying, if you saw President Trump recently talk about during his address to Congress how Doge uncovered all of this wasteful spending to do experiments on transgender mice, that is work that you guys are responsible for uncovering.
00:53:56.000Also, the stories that really captivated everybody's attention during COVID when you exposed your organization.
00:54:07.000We have a video, actually, from when you were uncovering all of the horrific...
00:54:22.000Animal testing experiments that were being conducted by Dr. Fauci.
00:54:27.000And Dr. Fauci, of course, was abusing these poor beagles who were putting, they were put in these cages.
00:56:15.000So how much of our taxpayer money went towards funding those horrific experiments by the CCP in China that we just saw on the screen right there?
00:56:24.000Yeah, Laura, you know, it's a coincidence we're talking about it this week because five years ago this week is when White Coat Waste first uncovered Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab that obviously everyone now understands probably caused COVID with its gain-of-function experiments that Fauci was shipping tax dollars to.
00:56:40.000Also, USAID was paying for those animal experiments.
00:56:46.000And a couple days later, of course, President Trump went on TV and cut the grants.
00:56:50.000But despite what happened in Wuhan, we've continued, the NIH has continued to ship tax dollars to dozens of animal testing laboratories in China.
00:56:57.000Those were just a few videos of footage from inside taxpayer-funded labs in China, including laboratories that are run by the CCP and are working with the People's Liberation Army.
00:57:11.000The Trump administration has cut funding for a few of those laboratories over the last few months, and we're very grateful for that.
00:57:17.000He's cut funding for some Fauci-funded experiments on rabbits that were happening, malaria infection experiments that were happening in one of these laboratories.
00:57:24.000But today, as of this morning, 20 animal laboratories in China are still eligible for funding from the National Institutes of Health.
00:57:33.000And one of those laboratories has an active grant from the NIH and the DOD to test experimental drugs On 300 beagles every single week at U.S. taxpayers' expense.
00:57:47.000And the reason they picked beagles, and it says this right in the FOIA documents under the justification for the species, this Chinese lab told the NIH that the reason it was choosing beagles is because they're cute and docile.
00:58:23.000And then the United States government through the NIH is sending money over so that you can
00:58:28.000Torture an innocent dog that is not going to fight back.
00:58:31.000Yeah, the NIH apparently thought it was a great reason to torture beagles and sent them hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it on an active contract that's still being funded, unfortunately, under the Trump administration.
00:58:44.000Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the new recently confirmed NIH director, is a supporter of white coat waste and has been an advocate against some of Dr. Fauci's bad science experiments on dogs, on other animals, both in the U.S. and abroad.
00:58:57.000So we're hoping they crack down quickly.
00:59:32.000This is something that Trump needs to see right now, especially amid all the terrorists with China and China attacking our country and making threats.
00:59:43.000This is something that could literally be stopped tomorrow with the stroke of President Trump's pen.
00:59:48.000So if you're watching this right now and you don't want your money going towards funding 300 beagles every single week being tortured by the CCP and they're animals over there.
00:59:58.000I mean, they behave like animals towards animals in China.
01:00:01.000And I don't really care if that offends people because I know what it's like.
01:00:05.000My dog was rescued from a Chinese meat market.
01:00:09.000Who was emaciated when I got her was only in the United States for two weeks when I first adopted her during COVID and she was going to be eaten alive.
01:00:18.000So, you know, how are you going to eat a dog that's seven pounds?
01:00:21.000And that's what they do to these dogs.
01:00:22.000They do experiments on them and then they kill them and they sell them in their wet markets and they eat them as, you know, as snacks.
01:00:33.000You know, look, we need to crack down on this because just like the CCP has a courageous human rights violations and they promote censorship and communism, they're also encouraging the abuse of animals.
01:00:44.000And so if you're watching this right now, you need to have outrage and demand that the Trump administration immediately rescind the funding for these grants.
01:00:52.000There's no time to waste, in my opinion, talking to the new NIH director saying, oh, you know, you're a fan.
01:01:01.000If you want to do good things, That's all you can do.
01:01:05.000You can immediately rescind the funding, in my opinion.
01:01:07.000I think that there's too much dancing and too much talking in Washington.
01:01:11.000And, you know, perhaps somebody needs to go back to Washington, D.C. and go back to the Oval Office and tell President Trump about this, right?
01:01:19.000So we can get some quick action like that.
01:01:23.000From your mouth to Trump's ears, and we can bring some beagles along for that adventure to the Oval.
01:01:29.000You know, listen, making these changes, these common sense reforms to stop the torture of pets in China is something everyone can support.
01:01:36.000It actually picks up where Trump left off in 2020 and'21.
01:01:42.000He actually also cut, under Trump, this is actually what led us to the Wuhan lab investigation that we did.
01:01:48.000Is under the first Trump administration and for years before it, the USDA was, this is a crazy story and it's 100% true, we got the receipts.
01:01:57.000The USDA was having staff fly to China, to the wet markets, to other countries, to their wet markets, buy dog and cat meat, fly it back to the United States.
01:02:09.000And then force feed it to kittens in cannibalism experiments at the USDA laboratory in the Beltway, right outside of Washington, D.C. This went on for decades.
01:02:31.000They cut off the funding for the project and they actually adopted out the cats who were left in the laboratory.
01:02:36.000And one of them now lives with our president and founder, Anthony Bellotti.
01:02:40.000So again, this is all part of Trump's legacy that he left.
01:02:44.000That he began in 2020, 2021, and we're happy he's picking up where he left off in terms of cutting some of these Chinese grants, cracking down on animal testing, other federal agencies like we've seen this week, cutting off transgender grants.
01:03:37.000He is being sent to China through these grants from from, you know, U.S. taxpayers via the NIH to fund these experiments on beagles, because I think people would like to know how much money is going towards these grants specifically, especially given the fact that the United States is engaged in a terror for with China as as we speak.
01:03:58.000Right. Currently live on this program tonight.
01:04:00.000So how much money are we talking about?
01:04:02.000You said that 20 billion dollars this year alone of U.S. taxpayer dollars is going to go.
01:04:08.000How much is going to China for these NIH experiments that the Trump administration is aware of but for some reason the new NIH director doesn't want to immediately rescind even though he says he's a fan of yours?
01:04:23.000I mean, we're talking about millions of dollars and actually it's hard to get an exact dollar amount because transparency about federal spending is so horrendous.
01:04:31.000But Joni Ernst did a report a few years ago and tracked about a billion dollars that had been sent to entities in China, including these laboratories.
01:04:38.000She actually just introduced a bill today with GOP conference chair in the House, Lisa McClain.
01:04:44.000Called the AFAR Act that we're supporting that would completely cut funding for all laboratories, animal laboratories in China, Russia, and other adversarial nations.
01:04:52.000I think we can all agree that our tax dollars shouldn't be spent.
01:04:55.000It's just being shipped to animal laboratories that are torturing puppies and foreign enemies.
01:05:00.000I can't believe that this is still happening under the Trump administration.
01:05:05.000Yeah, well, listen, there's a big mess to clean up at the NIH.
01:05:10.000You know, Francis Collins, Anthony Fauci, Monica Bertignoli, the leadership of the NIH allowed rampant waste, fraud and abuse to blossom at this agency for decades.
01:05:21.000You know, look at the photos you were describing in the beginning of the program with the money Fauci sent to Tunisia to put...
01:05:28.000Beagle puppies, sedate them, lock them in mesh cages, and then fill cages with sand flies and let them bite their faces, eat their faces alive.
01:05:59.000They just want their eyes to just be completely...
01:06:02.000Yeah, that photo with the green gloves right there is taken in Fauci's laboratory.
01:06:08.000That's one of them that was taken in Fauci's laboratory in the Beltway where they were doing biting fly experiments on beagles.
01:06:14.000Those are photos we got through the Freedom of Information Act.
01:06:16.000And then they were funding that laboratory in Tunisia where they were locking their heads in mesh cages.
01:06:21.000And then not only were these papers coming out with photos from the Fauci-funded experimenters citing Fauci as the funder, then Fauci and the NIH went out and lied about it and worked with the Washington Post to...
01:06:32.000designed a disinformation campaign where they run a front page story saying it was fake news.
01:06:38.000Not only did they fund that laboratory, they lied about it and coordinated this whole campaign to cover it up.
01:06:43.000Five years later, the Washington Post finally admitted it, but Fauci's still lying about it, lied about it in his book.
01:06:48.000But that was just the tip of the iceberg for him and the NIH.
01:06:51.000Fauci also funded laboratories that were debarking the beagles, because beagles are small, they aren't easy to abuse, they are cute, but they're also loud and they make a lot of noise.
01:06:59.000So Fauci was paying Laboratories for an extra line item to de-bark the beagles so they wouldn't make a peep in the laboratory.
01:07:08.000In other words, taking out their vocal cords.
01:07:11.000So they couldn't make any noise in the laboratory.
01:07:43.000Until the day he left the NIH in 2022, Fauci was personally experimenting on primates, infecting them with SIV, which is the monkey version of HIV and other viruses.
01:07:53.000So even though he's gone, his legacy of waste, fraud, and abuse absolutely permeated.
01:07:58.000The NIH and there are people who work for him and with him and across the agency who need to be cleaned out.
01:08:04.000There's puppies right now being injected with cocaine and fentanyl in experiments, active contracts that the NIH has.
01:08:17.000Four higher private testing labs that the NIH is giving contracts to.
01:08:21.000To do cocaine abuse experiments on puppies where they inject them with cocaine, overdose them on cocaine, inject them with fentanyl, and then some of the puppies get injected with both of the drugs to see how they interact.
01:08:32.000And this is all happening at this cocaine experiment.
01:08:38.000Some of them die from the overdose and some are killed at the end of the experiment.
01:08:41.000And this project was actually recently renewed.
01:08:44.000We worked with Rand Paul a few years ago to expose this project.
01:08:47.000We weren't able to end it, and the NIH actually renewed it and has now given over $5 million of tax funding to abuse these puppies and these cocaine addiction experiments.
01:08:55.000So when do they receive the $5 million?
01:08:57.000Since it's tax day, when do they get the $5 million?
01:09:02.000They've gotten that money over the last few years, but they're currently being funded right now.
01:09:06.000There's over 48,000 dogs in U.S. laboratories right now, and most of those dogs are being used in either taxpayer-funded experiments or Or government mandated testing by the FDA and the EPA where they force feed puppies,
01:09:23.000chemical, experimental drugs and pesticides and other chemicals to see at what massive dose they start to seize and foam at the mouth and in some cases die.
01:09:33.000And the FDA and EPA are forcing companies to do this and that's why it's exciting that this past week both the EPA and the FDA Picked up where Trump 45 left off and announced that they were renewing the efforts that the Biden administration sidelined to cut some of these animal testing mandates because they're incredibly wasteful,
01:09:50.000incredibly expensive, and incredibly cruel.
01:09:53.000Yeah, just when you thought that you couldn't hate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris enough, you find out that they are funding and encouraging the funding of all of these horrific experiments on innocent animals.
01:10:06.000I mean, you really just have to be such a screwed up person, too.
01:10:11.000I mean, I think that President Trump would be outraged if he knew that this was still happening under his administration.
01:10:21.000I know President Trump, and I think that he would immediately want to end this.
01:10:26.000I can't speak for the president, but I can only imagine that if he found out that grant money under his administration was going towards funding these horrific experiments on animals, that he would want to end it immediately.
01:10:37.000How can people contact the new director of the NIH, and where do you think that the activist wing of the MAGA movement or people watching this show tonight can focus their efforts in terms of demanding accountability?
01:10:52.000Like, who are some of these holdovers at the NIH who should be fired by President Trump?
01:10:56.000I think you should start naming some names.
01:10:59.000Nora Volko is one person I would name.
01:11:02.000She's been at the NIH for over 40 years.
01:11:04.000She's the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
01:11:07.000She's the one who has greenlit and approved the cocaine and fentanyl addiction experiments on puppies.
01:11:15.000Under her, NIDA was funding transgender animal experiments where they were creating transgender lab animals by surgically sterilizing them and then giving them...
01:11:27.000Uh, sex hormones and then overdosing them on a, uh, GHB, which is a drug used at sex parties to see if animals on, female animals on testosterone were more likely to overdose on this sex party drug than animals not on testosterone.
01:11:43.000That project got over a million dollars under Volco at NIDA, uh, and was recently cut, thank goodness, by the Trump administration.
01:12:37.000Ended dog testing at the VA, put in place the first retirement policies for lab animals at federal agencies.
01:12:44.000So Trump has a great track record when it comes especially to saving dogs and cats from wasteful government experiments.
01:12:49.000Unfortunately, NIH is public enemy number one, and during his first Trump and during the first administration, they were really insulated from a lot of scrutiny.
01:12:59.000They were protected by members of Congress.
01:13:01.000Of course, there was lots of deep state folks at the NIH.
01:13:05.000We have a new NIH director, and so I don't understand why Dr. How do you pronounce his last name?
01:14:08.000People can tweet@NIHdirect I mean, am I crazy or does it not seem like it's that simple?
01:14:21.000Should it just be that simple for the NIH director to send out a mass email directive, kind of like how they sent out a mass email with Doge telling everybody to remove pronouns from their bios or else, you know, they were going to get fired because we're not supporting DEI anymore.
01:14:36.000Can't they issue a, you know, a memorandum from the director of the...
01:14:40.000The NIH demanding that all grant money is rescinded from animal experiments?
01:14:45.000People just need to start using their power.
01:14:49.000It just seems like in Washington, D.C., and you tell me that your organization is remote, but you work out of Washington, D.C., that there's a lot of excuse making, right?
01:14:59.000If you want to do something, then go do it.
01:15:01.000Right? If you want to actually end animal testing and you want to protect animals, then go do it.
01:15:06.000It just seems like there's a lot of talk, and so that's your job if you're the NIH director and Anthony Fauci was in charge of NIH and he was able to facilitate all of this.
01:15:16.000Why is Anthony Fauci allowed to do whatever he wants, but Dr. Bhattacharya can't do what he wants?
01:15:20.000If he truly wants to save the animals, then I think that actions speak louder than words.
01:15:28.000I think this is something that could be done with the stroke of a pen.
01:15:30.000There's precedent for other things that the current Trump administration did and certainly the first Trump administration did regarding animal testing at these other agencies where they completely cut the funding, closed the labs, and let the animals be retired.
01:15:43.000I mean, they could certainly model that and put out a statement pretty quickly saying we're going to close.
01:15:48.000NIH still has one dog laboratory in D.C. In the NIH headquarters, where Dr. Bhattacharya's office is, where they are taking puppies.
01:16:25.000They give them experimental transfusions.
01:16:27.000They do all kinds of horrible manipulations to these dogs who are suffering horribly, intentionally being infected and sickened with these deadly viruses and bacteria.
01:16:35.000That's unacceptable that he's allowing this to happen.
01:16:39.000It's been four months, several months now, okay?
01:16:46.000And look, I'm not trying to be antagonistic towards Dr. Bhattacharya, but how much time do you really need to settle in?
01:16:51.000If this is happening in your own office in Washington, D.C., I would be walking into that room and I would be...
01:16:58.000I mean, I don't want to go to prison, so I'm not going to say what I would be doing.
01:17:02.000But let's just say that I would probably be reversing the rules of those animals and those humans in the positions that they were being subjected to if I knew that that was happening in the same office that I was working out of.
01:17:17.000I mean, that, in my opinion, is unacceptable for him to be allowing that to take place.
01:17:29.000How much time does this guy need to get settled in since the inauguration of President Trump to shut down these barbaric experiments?
01:17:36.000Again, I'm not trying to be extremely confrontational towards Dr. Bhattacharya, but at what point do you just say, okay, if you want to do something, go do it?
01:17:45.000It's one thing if this is happening in Tunisia or it's happening in some village in China.
01:17:50.000Right, but if this is happening in Washington, D.C., in the very office that you check into every single day, I mean, that's unacceptable, the fact that that's happening in our nation's capital.
01:18:02.000And the guy doing that also been in NIH, like Nora Volko at the NIDA, NIDA.
01:18:10.000She's been there for 40 years, something like that.
01:18:12.000This guy doing, Stephen Solomon, the guy doing the dog experiments inside the NIH, he's been there for over a quarter century.
01:18:18.000These are the type of people who need to be, Sent to the Indian Health Agency or somewhere else, get them out of Washington, get them out of the animal testing business, let them do something else with their time.
01:18:29.000But we certainly don't need them here anymore.
01:18:32.000And hopefully Dr. Bhattacharya and Doge are going to see that and send them, you know, give them their walking papers.
01:18:38.000But listen, we've seen Doge make a lot of great progress.
01:19:01.000He's going to be hearing about these individuals because this is unacceptable.
01:19:05.000The fact that people like this who have facilitated these experiments are still in their positions and they haven't been fired under a new Trump administration.
01:19:13.000There's a lot of agencies in Washington, D.C. under the new Trump administration, as people are learning, that have a lot of holdovers and people who participated in a lot of evil activities who need to lose their jobs.
01:19:27.000Fortunately, they've been firing a lot of them.
01:19:29.000It's almost hard to keep track of who's at some of these agencies anymore.
01:19:32.000But we've seen a lot of people, in particular at Fauci's old agency, NIAID, that have been let go over the last few weeks.
01:19:38.000His successor, the director of NIAID, after Fauci was let go the other day.
01:20:02.000Maybe Dr. Bhattacharya in the next five days can make some magic for us and save some dogs and cats.
01:20:09.000Number two is defunding labs in China.
01:20:11.000And I know the Trump administration has sent a directive to NIH saying they don't want to be funding research in countries of concern.
01:20:18.000But we still have these active grants.
01:20:20.000So in some cases, we've seen incomplete.
01:20:24.000You know, action with incomplete follow-through.
01:20:28.000So they've prevented new spending, but they're not stopping the existing spending that's already being shipped over to these laboratories in China and other foreign countries.
01:20:35.000So dog and cat defunding was number one.
01:20:55.000So the NIH funds breeding operations all around the country.
01:21:00.000So there's colleges and universities that with NIH funding tens of millions of dollars every year, in some cases from the NIH, they are breeding dogs and cats to have genetic disorders, to be sick, to have bleeding disorders, to be blind, to be crippled.
01:21:16.000They intentionally breed them to be sick and deformed.
01:21:21.000And then in some other cases, they are paying these essentially commercial puppy mills that specifically breed puppies and kittens to be sold into experimentation.
01:21:35.000That's why our mission is to cut taxpayer funding, because I talked about 20 billion dollars being wasted every year.
01:21:41.000Two thirds of all animal testing in this country is funded by the federal government.
01:21:44.000If you get the government out of the animal testing business.
01:21:48.000Which means it's funded by us, really, at the end of the day.
01:21:51.000It's funded by all the money that all of you just sent to the IRS today.
01:21:55.000Yeah, and that's what I lose sleep about overnight.
01:21:57.000When I paid my tax bill late last night, just by the skin of my teeth in time for the deadline, that's what I think about.
01:22:05.000Oh, this money is going to go into the NIH.
01:22:07.000This money is going to go to these other agencies that are torturing animals, wasting my money.
01:22:12.000Hurting public health, causing pandemics.
01:22:14.000You know, like that's the worst case scenario for animal testing.
01:22:17.000That's what happened in Wuhan is we were doing experiments with bats and humanized mice and created a super virus that got out and killed 20 million people and cost trillions of dollars.
01:22:25.000And that's something that we knew was going to happen and Fauci did anyway.
01:22:31.000There's a laboratory, another project that's happening right now that was funded under Fauci that is still active, Laura.
01:22:37.000So again, if you get to talk to Trump, this is another one to prioritize.
01:22:42.000EcoHealth Alliance, the Wuhan lab's partner, has a plan with Colorado State University to build a new bat lab and import hundreds of bats from Asia for virus experiments with NEPA, Ebola, COVID, and other viruses, including incurable viruses.
01:22:56.000And they're going to set up basically what we're calling Wuhan West.
01:23:00.000Out in Colorado, where they're doing these crazy gain-of-function virus experiments, again, at taxpayers' expense, but this time on U.S. soil.
01:23:09.000But that's a project that's gotten over $15 million in taxpayer money.
01:23:14.000Most of it, some from the state of Colorado, but most of it from Fauci's division of the NIH.
01:23:20.000It's unbelievable that this hasn't been shut down.
01:23:23.000Where are these breeding operations taking place, and can there be legislation drafted on a federal level?
01:23:30.000I know that my friend Meg Weinberger, who's a legislator here in the state of Florida, is creating legislation to target dog breeders here in the state of Florida to go after abusive breeding operations here, where you have all types of mills,
01:23:47.000and it's a very unfortunate situation with the unregulated dog breeding.
01:23:53.000Where are these taxpayer-funded dog breeding operations where they are breeding dogs to have disorders so that they can abuse them?
01:24:01.000Because it seems like that should be shut down.
01:24:05.000Isn't that what falls under animal cruelty, according to President Trump's executive order from 2019?
01:24:12.000Well, certainly a lot of the experiments that happen in laboratories would be criminal cruelty if they happened outside of a lab in someone's garage.
01:24:19.000And so there is a double standard that's impossible to reconcile.
01:24:22.000We're paying people to torture pets in ways that would be criminal felonies, land you in jail if you're not a citizen, get you deported.
01:24:31.000But instead, we're paying people big paychecks, rewarding number of promotions and grants, published papers.
01:24:38.000Promote, you know, awards at conferences.
01:24:42.000And we've really created this infrastructure and industry of animal testing in the U.S. that a lot of people are benefiting from.
01:24:48.000You know, one of the big breeding operations at the University of North Carolina, which gets enormous amounts of taxpayer dollars.
01:24:55.000And at UNC, they are breeding Scotty dogs and all different breeds of dogs to have hemophilia and other bleeding disorders.
01:25:06.000Soon after birth, because if they get a little tiny injury or bang themselves, they bleed out because they can't control their bleeding.
01:25:12.000And UNC then goes and sells those puppies, experiments on some of them there, or it sells them to other laboratories across the country.
01:25:19.000And there's lots of little kind of, it's become a taxpayer-funded cottage industry of puppy and kitten mills that are specifically breeding these sick and deformed animals who are just destined to be killed in experiments if they don't die before that.
01:26:05.000Did you hear what I said about the Make America's Dog Safe Again legislation?
01:26:11.000So it's aiming for accountability and transparency.
01:26:14.000This is a bill right now that's up for review in the Florida legislature.
01:26:18.000My friend Meg Weinberger, who does a lot of work to support animals, she has her own animal rescue here in the state of Florida.
01:26:27.000Why can't we get some kind of legislation like this on a federal level to make sure that these breeders, whether they're taxpayer-funded or not, have to have standards that provide accountability and transparency for how dogs are being bred so that animals are not abused?
01:26:46.000I just rescued a puppy a couple weeks ago.
01:26:49.000Poodle Shih Tzu mix from an abusive breeder situation.
01:26:53.000So you have all these breeders here in Florida that just do backyard breeding and they have all these dogs that have issues or they abuse them or they can't take care of them and then animal control comes in and they confiscate the dogs.
01:27:06.000But in this case, you have breeders that are intentionally trying to breed dogs with disabilities and ailments and then you're subjecting a dog to either be euthanized or have severe...
01:27:18.000You know, severe health problems or physical disorders for the rest of its life.
01:27:24.000Yeah, so we're working on a variety of pieces of legislation that would simply cut the funding for these programs and put them out of business, right?
01:27:31.000So Congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis from Staten Island, who is the co-chair of the House Animal Protection Caucus, introduced a bill called the Health Pets Act that would cut any taxpayer funding to any college and university that is conducting Painful experiments on dogs and cats.
01:27:47.000So not only would it prevent funding for those experiments, but it says if you're a college or university and you have any dog or cat in your laboratory that you're subjecting to painful experiments, you're going to lose all your funding.
01:27:58.000So we're talking about billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer funding that these universities stand to lose if they continue engaging in these experiments or breeding these animals.
01:28:07.000And then also Congresswoman Nancy Mace has a bipartisan bill called the PAW Act.
01:28:11.000That would cut funding for the animal experiments, the dog and cat experiments that are the most painful categories of dog and cat experiments.
01:28:18.000And we've been able to be able to make a lot of great progress through spending bills every year, tightening the noose around these programs and slowly choking them out.
01:28:27.000And we've seen things that started under Trump's first administration.
01:28:30.000The VA, for example, has eliminated all of its dog and cat testing as a result of legislation that Trump signed into law back in 2018.
01:28:38.000The USDA is completely out of the dog and cat testing business, but we have the NIH, which is public enemy number one when it comes to animal testing, that is still holding on, has not made any reforms to reduce the use of dogs and cats in experiments, and is still funding the lion's share of that abuse.
01:28:58.000Action from Dr. Bhattacharya to fix that problem.
01:29:01.000You know, I love the members of Congress we work with, but the truth is that less than 1% of bills that get introduced are going to make it to the president's desk.
01:29:08.000And we can, in this administration that is so bold and looking to make reforms and looking to make America great for animals, that we can have them, with the stroke of a pen to your point, signing executive orders or directives from agency heads saying that no more.
01:29:26.000Who are some of the big lobbyists or lobby firms or groups that are funding members of Congress to block them from supporting initiatives that would cut back on animal testing?
01:29:39.000Obviously, you have the manufacturers of all the vaccines that donated to members of Congress to support the vaccines and the mask mandates and all of that nonsense that we were subjected to during COVID.
01:29:52.000Are there entities out there that are specifically lobbying Yeah, so there are a few organizations that are specifically set up to lobby for more animal testing and against any reforms that would reduce animal testing,
01:30:24.000A misleadingly named group called Americans for Medical Progress, which is one of these groups that lobbies for more animal testing and against any reforms.
01:30:33.000They want to keep dogs and cats in laboratories.
01:30:37.000Lots of letters they've sent to the Appropriations Committee saying,"We hope you don't cut funding for dog and cat testing." The Foundation for Biomedical Research is another one, also an organization.
01:30:48.000Explicitly dedicated to defending and protecting and continuing animal experimentation.
01:30:54.000And then you have all types of other organizations that have broader agendas but work on this issue.
01:30:59.000So in 2018 when Trump's EPA said we're going to phase out all animal testing by 2035 with a major drawdown of 30% by 2025 this year.
01:31:17.000And they killed that plan because environmental groups came to them and said, for environmental justice reasons, we want you to not only kill the Trump plan to phase out animal testing, but we need you to do more of it to protect vulnerable communities.
01:31:35.000Mice and rats with unhealthy diets, putting them in cages, turning the heat up and pumping wildfire smoke into the cages is actually going to help people and protect"vulnerable communities" in the name of environmental justice.
01:31:47.000And that's who was lobbying against reforms to reduce animal justice.
01:32:27.000We have these pro-animal testing lobby groups.
01:32:29.000We have environmental groups that are lobbying for more animal testing.
01:32:32.000And then you have colleges, universities, professors, unions, all these people who are raking in the billions of dollars every year for animal testing.
01:32:40.000You know, one of the things that the Trump administration did so far that pissed off the colleges and universities almost more than anything is they started to cap the amount of what is called indirect costs.
01:32:50.000There's basically a slush fund that comes with every grant.
01:32:52.000And some universities and colleges are getting 100% on top of the actual research money to just go into an administrative slush fund.
01:32:59.000So they're making billions off of this.
01:33:00.000And so if animal testing gets put on the chopping block where we see a dog, they see a dollar sign, they don't want anything to disrupt the flow of money into the college and university.
01:33:10.000They don't care if it's for animal testing or whatever.
01:33:12.000So they're the ones also on Capitol Hill lobbying against a lot of these reforms, against any of these reforms to reduce animal testing because they want the money to keep flowing.
01:33:22.000You know, there's a lot of arguments that, oh, you know, we need animal testing so that we could see how humans are going to interact with drugs or how humans are going to, you know, be able to find a cure for cancer or diabetes or, you know, all these diseases that they tell us we need animal testing for.
01:33:41.000Do we need animal testing to develop a cure for cancer?
01:33:45.000Do we need animal testing to develop a cure for things like diabetes or to find out the adverse effects or the side effects or any types of consequences of taking pharmaceuticals?
01:33:58.000Because a lot of people say that if we don't have animals to test on, then, well, we're not going to be able to identify the adverse effects or develop cures.
01:34:09.000There's also people who argue that the rate at which, you know, or I guess not the rate at which, but I guess the similarities between a human body and an animal body are so vastly different that there really isn't any kind of scientific justification for these experiments because the way that...
01:34:32.000A mouse would react to an experiment is completely different than the way a human being would react to it.
01:34:37.000So what is the real science behind it and why are they testing on dogs to find out how a human being would react to a drug overdose?
01:34:45.000What is the similarity between the DNA of a dog and the DNA of a human being?
01:34:51.000I think you made the argument just as well as I could.
01:34:54.000I mean, it's basically fear-mongering bullshit to suggest that we have to poison puppies or torture any other animal to get cures for humans.
01:35:00.000And actually, if you look at the data from the NIH, from the Defense Department, from these other agencies that fund animal testing, the FDA included, you see that 90%, 95%, 99% of drugs in some cases are failing.
01:35:13.000in humans after being safe and effective in animal tests because they either don't work or they're dangerous in people because animal tests don't actually tell you what's going to happen in a human being.
01:35:22.000So that's why there's this big shift to looking at other technology.
01:35:26.000And of course, this is putting aside all the stupid animal experiments that have no purpose at all, like putting fish...
01:35:32.000Shrimp and other animals on treadmills and other nonsense that the government's doing.
01:35:36.000But in the case of drug discovery and stuff, we work with pharmaceutical companies who are constantly lamenting the fact that the federal government, the FDA in particular, or the EPA, is forcing them to experiment on dogs and other animals when it's actually not providing them any useful data about what a drug is going to do in humans.
01:35:54.000From the other day of RFK at a cabinet meeting where he was talking about the new FDA initiative to reduce and eliminate animal testing.
01:36:01.000He talked about how they have found when they looked at the data that things like AI and other modern technologies are actually more accurate at predicting what's going to happen in humans, technologies based on human biology, because, you know, mice and rats aren't furry little humans.
01:36:15.000We evolved tens of millions of years ago, and you can't even translate what happens in a mouse to a rat and vice versa.
01:36:23.000So to suggest that that's going to tell us anything about humans is just completely ridiculous.
01:36:27.000The reason it continues is bureaucracy, institutional inertia, and because it's big business and a lot of people are getting rich doing it, just like so many other problems we have in this country.
01:36:38.000So what happens to these animals either once they're done being experimented on or once they're rescued from a lot of these labs?
01:36:46.000When these labs get shut down or when they don't find a use for the animals anymore, what's going to happen to these 300 beagles a week that are being tested on by the CCP after they're shipped from breeder locations here in the United States of America to labs in China?
01:37:02.000Are there animal organizations out there that are rescuing dogs and cats?
01:37:15.000Where do these poor animals go once they're done being abused if they survive?
01:37:20.000Right. So best case scenario, when we start to defund and shut down these laboratories, that the animals are healthy enough to come out alive.
01:37:26.000And then there's the challenge of finding somewhere for them to go.
01:37:28.000And fortunately, we've been able to enact policies under the first Trump administration at four different federal agencies.
01:37:34.000To allow the retirement of lab animals and they have some kind of the infrastructure to do that and to partner with organizations.
01:37:41.000One of the great groups we work with that has rescued thousands of beagles from Fauci's dog supplier, one of them that was shut down a few years ago, an organization called the Kindness Ranch in Wyoming takes in dozens of beagles.
01:38:25.000The employees in the houses all over this property to get rehabilitated, socialized, because these dogs only, they've known tiny, barren metal cages with wire floors and fear their whole lives.
01:38:39.000And anytime anyone comes in a room, it's going to be to hurt them.
01:38:42.000And coming out of a laboratory, they've never seen the light of day.
01:38:51.000And they have to get accustomed, not only to trust people to just be You know, comfortable with how the world actually is outside of a laboratory.
01:38:59.000And The Kindness Ranch brings them in, socializes them, gets them comfortable with that, and then finds them loving homes.
01:39:05.000So we partner with The Kindness Ranch to get animals out of laboratories regularly and get them into loving homes.
01:39:10.000And we actually just shut down a Fauci-funded cat lab out at UC University of California, Davis last year.
01:39:17.000And they shut down their entire breeding operation as a result of closing this experiment that we exposed.
01:39:38.000I just talked to them the other day, and they have dozens of dogs and cats from laboratories who have just gotten there in the last couple months and need adoptive homes.
01:39:46.000And we're hoping to bring more and more animals to them as the Trump administration cracks down and shuts down some of these laboratories.
01:39:53.000Yeah, that's the website for the Kinders Ranch.
01:40:24.000These were all animals that were being tested on in labs?
01:40:27.000Like, every single animal that they have came from a lab?
01:40:29.000Yeah, different types of experimentation.
01:40:31.000Some of it's like agriculture production experimentation, some of it's chemical testing, some of it's drug testing, some of it's invasive biomedical experimentation.
01:41:21.000The president of this organization has a big staff, but he personally goes and picks these dogs up.
01:41:26.000And drives them back to the sanctuary.
01:41:28.000And then they have a whole team of people who helps rehabilitate them, socialize them, and make sure they're a good fit for wherever the potential adopters are.
01:41:36.000So again, we've been working to get as many lab animal retirement policies in place inside these federal agencies and then connecting Cognus Ranch with the relevant folks at these agencies to let them know, listen, when you shut these labs down, here's where the animals can go.
01:41:51.000And not only do they take the animals.
01:41:54.000They show up, no questions asked, no cost to taxpayers.
01:41:57.000So Kindness Ranch completely bears the burden of taking in these animals, rehabilitating them.
01:42:02.000How many animals do they have at the ranch?
01:42:03.000Keep on showing the list if you don't mind.
01:42:05.000I want my producer to keep on scrolling.
01:42:08.000I don't know how many they have regularly, but it's probably in the hundreds when you count all the little ones and big ones and farmed animals and horses who are living outside.
01:42:19.000Yeah, two of the animals from the Fauci cat lab came to us.
01:42:22.000Two white coat staff through the Kindness Ranch.
01:42:26.000Two of our employees adopted two of those cats.
01:42:35.000But this is the happy ending we want to get for as many animals as possible.
01:42:39.000We've been working on legislation that would be government-wide legislation requiring lab animal adoption to be an option in all of these laboratories.
01:42:48.000Actually, these pro-animal testing groups have opposed that legislation.
01:42:51.000They don't even want animals coming out alive in many cases.
01:42:56.000But again, Trump is not beholden to the same types of special interests that previous presidents and agency heads have been, which is what's so refreshing and exciting for us, for taxpayers and animals, is that we have someone who has the interest,
01:43:12.000track record, and political will to actually shut these laboratories down.
01:43:18.000And we saw him do it the first time around, from 2016 to early 2021, and we're excited he's picking up where he's left off.
01:43:26.000Again, we're seeing good stuff at FDA, EPA, NIH, Doge has been cutting transgender grants, some of the grants to China.
01:43:34.000Committing to big sweeping changes at EPA and FDA.
01:43:37.000Have you been able to speak to anybody at the Trump administration about this and these NIH grants and all the funding of the labs?
01:43:45.000Have you been able to talk to anybody in the second Trump administration about this?
01:43:49.000Yeah, we're in touch directly with people at these agencies, letting them know how we can be helpful, working with them, giving them line item lists.
01:44:24.000But I do know that these are easy wins.
01:44:28.000A lot of people are going to be happy about that are saving animals' lives, are cutting waste, are widely supported initiatives, and that the Trump administration, the first family has supported.
01:44:41.000Don Jr. has been a big fan and supporter of ours, sharing our content about the China Dog Lab investigation we did.
01:44:47.000Eric, Laura, the first family has been great.
01:44:50.000You know, many people in the administration from EPA.
01:45:23.000Is now leading an initiative to cut those mandates.
01:45:27.000So we really stand to save a lot of money, a lot of animals.
01:45:33.000And do we want to be a country that's using taxpayers' money against their will to torture pets, who most people consider family members?
01:45:41.000I mean, I think it's really just a stain on humanity, a stain on this country that in 2025, we are still torturing dogs and cats in experiments.
01:45:49.000That are completely useless and hardly painful and cruel.
01:45:53.000And I think everyone can agree this is something that should end up on the chopping block sooner rather than later.
01:45:58.000Yeah, sooner rather than later indeed.
01:46:00.000And so that's, you know, that's my main concern here is why has this not been done yet?
01:46:05.000So hopefully with this episode, we'll get it all clipped and we'll get it posted and we can have our own little, you know, activist campaign to get Dr. Bhattacharya and the Trump administration to start ending a lot of these grants because it just seems like a no-brainer.
01:46:23.000From the Oval Office every single day.
01:46:25.000So perhaps this is the next executive order that needs to be signed or Dr. Bhattacharya just needs to crack down and tell them no more money.
01:46:39.000Or maybe you need to get Sean Duffy involved, the transportation secretary.
01:46:42.000How about we don't allow for any more flights to leave our country that are transporting innocent dogs from laboratories to laboratories abroad in China for the purpose of animal testing?
01:46:56.000Have you talked to Sean Duffy about this?
01:46:58.000And having the Department of Transportation crack down on the flights that transport these dogs?
01:47:04.000No, we haven't, but that's a great idea in terms of crippling the, you know, making it impossible for some of these experiments to happen.
01:47:10.000They shouldn't allow them to transport them.
01:47:11.000They shouldn't allow them to transport these animals.
01:47:13.000I mean, how are they allowed to transport?
01:47:15.000I imagine that they have to have special charters or special planes because I know when I rescued my dog from China, the cost of the dog...
01:47:24.000The $1,500 that I paid for my dog was the cost of the ticket to fly the dog from China to the United States, and they had to actually get a special air carrier to transport hundreds of dogs from China meat markets to the United States of America.
01:47:41.000No, I think there's a lot of creative solutions you could have.
01:47:43.000I mean, we're focused on the money because I guarantee you that if you cut the funding for these programs...
01:47:51.000Most, if not all of them, will never start up again because no private organization is going to ever fund some of this stuff like injecting puppies with cocaine or debarking beagles or whatever the case may be.
01:48:04.000The government is the market maker when it comes to testing on animals, especially dogs and cats.
01:48:08.000It's not something anyone wants to see happen.
01:48:12.000Pharmaceutical companies and chemical companies reluctantly do it because the government forces them to and would love not to.
01:48:18.000And that's why we need to see some reforms, too, in terms of this outdated red tape that's forcing private companies to torture animals unnecessarily, which is incredibly expensive and useless to them.
01:48:27.000But they do it because bureaucrats in the NIH and FDA and EPA want to see a box checked because that's what they've always done.
01:48:34.000And they don't want to think about solving problems in a new way.
01:48:39.000It is frustrating, but I'll tell you, I've been doing this for 20 years.
01:48:42.000I never thought I would see the day where we would have someone in the White House and heading these agencies that were really actually doing the work, the very hard work.
01:48:57.000Of isolating and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse of these, you know, especially when it comes to animal testing.
01:49:16.000We've got lots of rescue beagles in the D.C. area who would love to come meet him.
01:49:20.000We've met MTG and Nancy Mace and Paul Gosar and lots of members brought up these beagle survivors from the laboratories, including from Fauci's labs, so they could put a face to the issue and let them know what we're fighting for here.
01:49:54.000Because you're doing fantastic work, and I want to make sure that people know how they can support white coat waste because you're doing incredible work helping save these animals that are being tortured in taxpayer-funded experiments.
01:50:07.000And I think that people watching, if they can't adopt a dog, then they should support your organization so that you can help rescue and continue exposing a lot of these cruel and unethical animal.
01:50:21.000Experiments that are taking place on taxpayer dimes.
01:50:23.000So where do people go to support your work financially?
01:50:46.000We think the government's the problem, and we want them to stay out of our business, too.
01:50:50.000So that means that 80% of our revenue comes from grassroots activists, small-dollar donations from people across the country, really across the political spectrum, who just don't want to see their tax dollars wasted on torturing animals and pets in cruel experiments.
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01:52:09.000Some of it's bipartisan, but it is all GOP-led.
01:52:12.000They're the ones making this a priority, leaning into it.
01:52:14.000I mean, Donald Trump is literally the first president in history, certainly in a State of the Union address, but maybe in general, whoever talked about ending wasteful animal experimentation.
01:52:26.000Bill Barr, who I'm actually suing, he decided to mock this on his program.
01:52:30.000He was making fun of President Trump and actually said that it wasn't true that they were doing experiments on mice to see if they were transgender.
01:52:41.000This information campaign launched because they realized this was an Achilles heel for the NIH.
01:52:46.000NIH's reputation is already in the shitter.
01:52:49.000And now you find out that they spent a quarter billion dollars, as I testified to the House Oversight Committee in February, a quarter billion dollars creating transgender animals and abusing them in experiments.
01:53:11.000Lots of folks publishing their receipts and showing, oh, it's worse than you even thought.
01:53:16.000You know, the numbers of animals, they were using tens of thousands of animals in some of these experiments where they're doing transgender surgeries on them, giving these hormone therapies.
01:53:24.000So yeah, Trump was on the State Union, a couple days later brought it up again on Maria Bartiromo's show on Fox.
01:53:30.000And of course, he famously, five years ago, we're very grateful and proud that he went on TV and cut the grant to the Wuhan Animal Lab.
01:53:37.000You know, it was probably the greatest biomedical catastrophe in history that was caused by taxpayer-funded animal experiments, approved, greenlit, and covered up by Dr. Fauci.
01:53:46.000So animal experiments were behind the pandemic.
01:53:48.000It's an accident waiting to happen if we're going to import that problem here to the U.S. and do that type of research.
01:54:03.000I don't think things like that happen on accident.
01:54:06.000Well, we have these documents that came out that Joni Ernst helped pry from the DOD that came out, I think it was last week, showing that in October 2019, U.S. service members were sick with COVID-like symptoms after going to the military Olympic Games in Wuhan,
01:54:26.000So I've definitely seen commentators suggesting that that would be a great way to spread a virus around the world, is where all these militaries come.
01:54:34.000To China in one place and then go back home and bring the virus with them.
01:54:39.000So, unfortunately, this is why you don't fund...
01:54:42.000Well, and they also originally said it came from the wet markets where, you know, they abuse animals.
01:54:46.000I mean, the wet markets are called wet markets because they have all these animals and a lot of them are alive.
01:54:53.000In these markets, and they call them, from my understanding, wet markets, because they literally will, like, kill these animals in boiling hot water at the wet markets, so there's water all over the floor.
01:55:04.000I mean, they have different theories about why they're called wet markets, but from my understanding, they have all these animals, and they, like, drown them to death.
01:55:11.000Like, that's how they drown a lot of the dogs that they sell, and they kill for the purposes of eating them.
01:55:17.000They'll, like, drown them in boiling hot water, or they'll...
01:55:28.000And they'll have a frog that's alive, and then they pour boiling hot water over it, and then they're cooking it, and they're eating it at the same time while the frog is, you know, boiling to death.
01:55:38.000And they're, I don't know, for some reason, it sounds crazy with the way I'm describing it, but you can go online and you can see the videos of them and the way that they kill these animals.
01:55:48.000And they use boiling hot water to torture these animals.
01:55:51.000And some of the people are eating them, these raw animals, out in the open.
01:55:55.000And that's originally how they said that this virus spread.
01:55:58.000They said that it came from, you know, snakes and bats and rats in these wet markets in Wuhan.
01:56:03.000But that's where they torture animals.
01:56:09.000I mean, there's all types of ways that they're killing these animals, but one of the most common ways that I've heard from people who have been there and people who have witnessed it, or you can watch the videos online, is they drown the animals.
01:56:51.000This is why you don't send tax dollars to an authoritarian country on the other side of the world that's an adversarial nation that wants to destroy the United States.
01:57:00.000Not only abuses animals in experiments, but you mentioned earlier, there's a lot of reports that they eat the animals they infect and kill in these experiments also, and they end up in the wet markets.
01:57:09.000So I don't know why we would want to have any part in that.
01:57:14.000Clearly, with the case of the gain-of-function research...
01:57:19.000My dog apparently was rescued by an activist.
01:57:21.000I think they, like, kidnapped these dogs that are supposed to be sold, from my understanding.
01:57:27.000They kidnap these dogs that are supposed to be sold in the meat markets, and they rescue them, and then they find people in America that want to buy them.
01:57:34.000And they might have been kidnapped in the first place as someone's pet, and then ended up at the wet market.
01:58:02.000I've had steaks that weigh more than my dog.
01:58:06.000I don't even understand how they would eat a little tiny poodle like that.
01:58:11.000It's really barbaric, the things that they do.
01:58:14.000Yeah, an insult to injury to all of this is we're actually suing the NIH right now because for labs in China and other foreign countries, the NIH completely exempts them from any oversight that's required of labs in the U.S. So if you're a foreign laboratory, this is why a lot of the money gets shipped overseas to places like that being a lab in Tunisia that was putting the dogs in the cages with the biting flies or the gain-of-function experiments on...
01:58:38.000That's why a lot of it gets offshored because it wouldn't be allowed here and there's absolutely no oversight of it.
01:58:44.000Fauci and the NIH have said in 40 years of funding foreign labs they've never visited a single laboratory once to inspect it.
01:58:51.000The GAO came out with a report a couple years ago.
01:58:53.000So we're suing the NIH over this illegal loophole because not only shipping Billions, literally billions of dollars to animal laboratories in China and other foreign countries.
01:59:01.000We have literally no idea how it's being spent, what's happening to the animals, or whether any biosafety precautions are taking place.
01:59:08.000And that's how you end up with what happened in Wuhan.
01:59:21.000But I just felt that this was so compelling and it's so disturbing that people needed to see where their taxpayer money was going today on tax day.
01:59:30.000But is there anything else that you want to close with or inform our viewers about?
01:59:34.000We have about 40,000 people watching live right now on X. So hopefully a lot of these people will contact Dr. Bhattacharya and some of these Trump
01:59:45.000officials to get some of this grant money.
01:59:48.000Yeah, I would just say that, again, the U.S. government is public enemy number one when it comes to animal testing.
01:59:55.000In your social media feed, you may see things about product testing, cosmetics testing.
01:59:59.000That's essentially not a problem anymore.
02:00:03.000The biggest problem now is government-funded testing and government-mandated testing on animals, both in the United States and abroad.
02:00:08.000So if you want to fix that problem, if you want to save puppies and kittens and monkeys and bunnies and other animals from being tortured in government laboratories, follow White Coat at White Coat Waste on those social media platforms and visit our website, whitecoatwaste.org.
02:00:22.000We obviously would appreciate any generous donation you can give, but even if you can't or don't choose to, we'd love for you to join the fight.
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02:00:34.000It's a non-profit, so it's tax-deductible, right, when people donate to you?
02:00:41.000And again, almost entirely supported by grassroots activists, grassroots donations.
02:00:46.000And we, again, we're not spending, we don't have big ticket gals and things like that.
02:00:50.000The money is going right into the programs to pay my salary, pay other people's salary on the staff to do research and to run these campaigns to, we say, FED, find, expose, and defund wasteful government animal experiments.
02:01:05.000Well, it's very honorable work that you're doing.
02:01:07.000Saving our furry friends from all of these evil math scientists who are trying to harm and abuse animals.
02:01:14.000So, Justin, thank you so much for coming on tonight.
02:01:52.000And I think that people need to know about this, especially today of all days, tax day, when their tax money is going towards paying and funding for these You know, horrific animal experiments.
02:02:06.000It really honestly disturbs me to my core.
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02:04:56.000We definitely need to contact Dr. Bhattacharya.
02:04:59.000We need to contact Dr. Bhattacharya and the Trump administration and let them know that these grants need to end.
02:05:06.000And again, I'm not trying to attack anybody, but it's just kind of bullshit at the end of the day.
02:05:12.000If you're the director of the NIH and you oppose animal testing, then use your power as the director of the NIH and crack down on animal testing.
02:06:21.000I was actually in El Salvador during January 6th.
02:06:24.000And, you know, he's a transformative leader.
02:06:26.000He really has done so much to transform El Salvador from a third world country, one of the most dangerous countries in the world, the country with the highest homicide rate, to now becoming a leader in...
02:06:38.000Cracking down on illegal immigration, Bitcoin innovation, technological innovation, the first country in the world to accept Bitcoin as legal tender, really doing fantastic work, and also working with the Trump administration to allow for the deportation of violent criminal illegal aliens in MS-13 and Train de Aragua.
02:06:59.000So let's go ahead and play some of these clips of President Trump welcoming President Bukele to the White House for his meeting this week.
02:07:41.000We know that you have a crime problem, a terrorism problem that you need help with.
02:07:49.000And we're a small country, but if we can help, we can do it.
02:07:52.000And we actually turned the murder capital of the world, that was the journalist called it, murder capital of the world, into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere.
02:08:04.000Sometimes they say that we imprison thousands.
02:08:07.000I like to say that we actually liberated millions.
02:08:45.000And I'm sure that people have seen the change in the streets.
02:08:49.000A long way to go because you're just initiating your second term.
02:08:55.000It's clear that, you know, with the numbers at the border, you know, even in Democrat Run series, they get help from the world you're doing.
02:09:05.000So I'm really happy to be here, honored, and eager to help.
02:09:11.000Now, of course, the left-wing media is up in arms over the fact that El Salvador is allowing for the Trump administration to send violent criminal illegal aliens to El Salvador to be housed in their top-notch facility called Seacot.
02:09:25.000So I guess Caitlin Collins of CNN, who was outraged over the deportation of criminal illegal aliens, had something to say about this during this press conference between President Trump and Nayib Bukele.
02:09:36.000So let's go ahead and play this clip of President Trump and different members of his administration taking turns ripping Caitlin Collins for her ignorance during the meeting between President Trump and El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele.
02:10:08.000Two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court, ruled that he was a member of MS-13 and he was illegally in our country.
02:10:48.000Can you just also respond to that question?
02:10:51.000Because, you know, it's asked by CNN, and they always ask it with a slant because they're totally slanted because they don't know what's happening.
02:11:02.000So, as Pam mentioned, There's an illegal alien from El Salvador.
02:11:07.000So with respect to you, he's a citizen of El Salvador.
02:11:12.000So it's very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as a starting point.
02:11:21.000As two immigration courts found that he was a member of MS-13.
02:11:24.000When President Trump declared MS-13 to be a foreign terrorist organization...
02:11:29.000That meant that he was no longer eligible under federal law, which I'm sure you know, you're very familiar with the INA, that he was no longer eligible for any form of immigration relief in the United States.
02:11:39.000So he had a deportation order that was valid, which meant that under our law, he's not even allowed to be present in the United States and had to be returned because of the foreign terrorist designation.
02:11:51.000This issue was then, by a district court judge, Completely inverted.
02:11:57.000And a district court judge tried to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and fly him back here.
02:12:03.000That issue was raised to the Supreme Court.
02:12:05.000And the Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador.
02:12:22.000From El Salvador, who again is a member of MS-13, which as I'm sure you understand, rapes little girls, murders women, murders children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities in the world, and I can promise you, if he was your neighbor, you would move right away.
02:12:36.000So you don't plan to ask for any help to get him back?
02:12:46.000in our favor against the district court ruling, saying that no district court has the power to compel the foreign policy function of the United States.
02:12:53.000As Pam said, the ruling solely stated that if this individual at El Salvador's sole discretion was sent back to our country, that we could deport him a second time.
02:13:03.000No version of this legally ends up with him ever living here because he is a citizen of El Salvador.
02:13:47.000I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terrorism to our country.
02:13:50.000I mean, we just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere, and you want us to go back into releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world.
02:14:43.000It's incredible, isn't it, how far the leftist media will go to advocate for criminals and terrorists and criminal illegal aliens who, as they said, are raping young girls and committing crimes and attacking police officers, trafficking drugs into our country,
02:15:06.000I think we have a clip of Cory Booker talking about how he wants to organize a delegation of Democrat senators to go to El Salvador to advocate for the release of this individual.
02:15:16.000But none of these Democrats want to go to Gaza to have conversations with Hamas to advocate for the release of American hostages, right?
02:15:30.000I know I tweeted about it earlier, but you have to ask yourself, why are they in such outrage over a criminal illegal alien in El Salvador?
02:15:41.000Why do they want to bring this person back to the United States so badly?
02:15:48.000Ever study the psychology of a Democrat member of Congress and ask them why they find the need to come to the defense of criminal illegal aliens and people who are not supposed to be in our country?
02:16:00.000Gangbangers, people who associate with the lowest, like, the people with the lowest level of morality in our society, just gutter trash individuals.
02:16:10.000There should be a psychological study conducted on Democrats and why they find a need to constantly defend the worst of the worst in our society.
02:16:20.000It is truly disturbing that this is where they want to focus their energies.
02:16:25.000This is the hill that they want to die on.
02:16:27.000While President Trump is focused on making America safe again and trying to bring hostages home, they want to bring criminals home and they want to promote open borders and block President Trump from deporting criminal illegal aliens and train to Aragua and MS-13.
02:16:44.000Do you think the Trump administration is defying a court order?
02:16:51.000It certainly appears that they are, and they're trying to play too cute with parsing words.
02:16:58.000The court has ordered the return of this person and that the Trump administration should do it.
02:17:02.000They're paying an authoritarian leader in El Salvador to hold people in the worst imaginable types of prisons that he has sent there without any due process.
02:17:15.000This is about every American understanding that this president is making an assault on the due process rights that are afforded to people in our country.
02:17:24.000Everybody from Anton Scalia to other conservative think tanks have said very clearly...
02:17:29.000You cannot disappear people off American streets.
02:17:32.000We are a nation of rules and due process is clearly one of them.
02:17:37.000And to erode the due process rights of anyone is a threat to the due process rights of everyone.
02:17:43.000This is a democratic slippage and we all should be speaking out against it.
02:17:50.000Unbelievable. What we need to be speaking out against as a country is the Democrat Party facilitating and harboring illegal immigration and protecting violent gangbangers.
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02:21:15.000I'm excited to see what he has planned.
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02:23:53.000We have a story that we released tonight about the Florida Freedom Fund and how it's being used as a potential slush fund for Casey DeSantis' likely gubernatorial run here in the state of Florida.
02:24:06.000So as you know, President Trump has already endorsed Byron Donald to run for governor of Florida.
02:24:12.000Well, we've seen that DeSantis' Jill, that's her real name, Jill Casey DeSantis.
02:24:18.000So Jill Casey and Ron DeSantis, her husband, are so incapable of having any kind of grace or humility after running a failed presidential campaign against President Trump.
02:24:28.000So now, I guess they want to embarrass themselves again for round two.
02:24:33.000So stay tuned, because it's highly likely that after the Florida legislative session ends, In these next few weeks, it should be over at the end of May, that we're going to see Casey DeSantis file to run for governor of Florida.
02:24:45.000And, hey, I've been telling you all for years, I was really one of the first people to blow the whistle on this two years ago.
02:24:53.000And people said I was crazy, but you're going to find out, you're going to see real soon that Casey DeSantis is going to be running for governor.
02:26:37.000Loomer Unleashed is going to resume this Thursday.
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02:26:56.000There's a lot of news coming out this week.
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02:27:37.000Don't forget to call Dr. Bhattacharya at NIH and tell him to end all of the animal testing contracts and all of the grants for these Beagle labs and these beagle experiments at CCP-funded and U.S. taxpayer-funded labs in China.
02:28:08.000I'm going to be posting links tonight and tomorrow about who you can contact at the NIH so that we can try to end these animal tests once and for all.
02:28:18.000But with that, I will see you on Thursday for another episode of Loomer Unleashed.
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