Loomer Unleashed - EP114: Trump Cracks Down On Animal Testing

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00:39:37.000 Young female journalist, conservative journalist by the name of Laura Loomer.

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00:40:43.000 And thank you so much for tuning in to episode 114 of Loomer Unleashed.

00:40:48.000 I'm your host, Laura Loomer.

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00:41:20.000 We have a very, very interesting episode planned tonight here at Loomer Unleashed.

00:41:25.000 We're going to be speaking with Justin Goodman, who's the senior VP of an organization called White Coat Waste.

00:41:32.000 And if you've been following the news this week, then you may have seen a story about how President Trump's FDA is significantly cutting back on animal testing, which is incredible.

00:41:43.000 You know that I'm an animal lover myself.

00:41:44.000 I love dogs.

00:41:45.000 I'm very much into animal rescue.

00:41:48.000 President Trump has really led the charge on this.

00:41:50.000 This is something that he did during his first administration as well, passing executive orders addressing animal cruelty.

00:41:58.000 And now in the second Trump administration, President Trump and his administration officials through the FDA and also the EPA have announced that they are significantly cutting back on animal testing to help protect innocent animals who are subjected to...

00:42:15.000 Taxpayer-funded animal experiments.

00:42:17.000 You see that even PETA, the leftist organization PETA, which has often sided with the Democrat Party, is praising President Trump.

00:42:27.000 It's like hell is frozen over.

00:42:29.000 PETA, animal rights groups, praised Trump administration for phasing out cruel tests on dogs and other animals.

00:42:35.000 Trump's FDA and EPA are phasing out animal testing.

00:42:39.000 You can scroll down.

00:42:39.000 We can read this article.

00:42:43.000 It's interesting, isn't it, how, scroll back up, you may just have to refresh that page.

00:42:48.000 Isn't it interesting how the Democrat Party likes to bill itself as the party that focuses on the environment and animal rights, and yeah, it's Republicans.

00:42:58.000 It's literally the Trump administration that is phasing out these cruel tests on animals.

00:43:04.000 You could probably find other articles about it, too.

00:43:07.000 Here we go.

00:43:07.000 PETA animal rights groups praised the Trump administration.

00:43:09.000 That Fox article is not loading for some reason.

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00:43:16.000 That's strange.

00:43:17.000 Well, either way, we can go to the actual FDA announcement there.

00:43:21.000 It's the same thing.

00:43:22.000 FDA announces plan to phase out animal testing requirement for monoclonal antibodies and other drugs.

00:43:29.000 This was a couple of days ago, but you know.

00:43:31.000 Got kind of lost amid all the news with the tariffs and cracking down on China and Passover, and, you know, we're coming up on Easter, so a lot of stories have obviously distracted from this, but I don't think that it received enough attention, which is why I wanted to focus the entire episode on this subject tonight,

00:43:49.000 because I don't think a lot of people are aware of the fact that there is still a lot of...

00:43:55.000 Animal testing happening in our country and it's being funded by groups like the NIH, which we know was overseen by Anthony Fauci.

00:44:04.000 You know, just because President Trump is back in the White House and he's cracking down on animal testing doesn't mean that there still aren't Biden holdovers and individuals who funded a lot of animal testing during the Biden regime who are still there trying to fund animal testing.

00:44:19.000 And so here it says the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is taking a groundbreaking step to advance public health by replacing animal testing and the development of monoclonal antibody therapies and other drugs with more effective human-relevant methods.

00:44:33.000 The new approach is designed to improve drug safety and accelerate the evaluation process while reducing animal experimentation, lowering research and development costs and ultimately drug prices.

00:44:44.000 is.

00:44:46.000 The FDA's animal testing requirement will be reduced, refined, and potentially replaced using a range of approaches, including AI-based computational models of toxicity in cell lines and organoid toxicity testing in a laboratory setting.

00:45:02.000 If you saw my website today, Lumard.com, and be sure that you bookmark my website, Lumard.com, so that you're reading all of our breaking exclusive updates and reports.

00:45:13.000 We broke this story today.

00:45:15.000 Exclusive NIH-paying billionaire Moderna co-founder to torture beagles for weight loss drug.

00:45:21.000 And, of course, this is an investigation.

00:45:26.000 I want to go through this article with you so that you can see what is still ongoing even under the Trump administration.

00:45:42.000 And hopefully President Trump identifies a lot of these Biden holdovers and individuals at NIH and he clears them out.

00:45:49.000 So you can scroll down.

00:45:53.000 Working with the new Trump administration and the Department of Government Deficiency, White Coat Waste is already scoring major wins by exposing millions of dollars of taxpayer money used in cruel and wasteful animal testing in the United States and abroad.

00:46:06.000 One of White Coat Waste's top priorities for Trump and Doge is slashing funding for laboratories worldwide that carry out cruel and unethical testing on cats and dogs.

00:46:15.000 Recently, White Coat Waste has exposed federal contracts funded by the National Institute of Health, NIH, and the Department of Defense paying to torture 300 beagles per week in Chinese labs.

00:46:27.000 It's terrible.

00:46:28.000 Absolutely horrific. 0.58

00:46:29.000 I mean, we know that China abuses animals. 0.96

00:46:32.000 They eat dogs in China.

00:46:33.000 You know, my dog Mecca, my little Yorkie poo that you have seen on the show before.

00:46:38.000 She's one of my four dogs that I have.

00:46:40.000 She was actually rescued from a Chinese meat market, and so they do not treat animals very well in China.

00:46:46.000 And, you know, my next guest, who has now connected, Justin Goodman, the senior vice president of White Coast Waste, joins me tonight to talk about this latest investigation and expose uncovered by White Coast Waste.

00:47:03.000 White Coat Waste.

00:47:04.000 And how our taxpayer dollars are still, to this day, under the Trump administration, going towards funding cruel and abusive animal testing experiments in labs here in the United States and labs abroad that are funded by our taxpayer dollars.

00:47:20.000 So joining me now is Justin Goodman, the Senior Vice President of White Coat Waste.

00:47:24.000 Justin, thank you so much.

00:47:26.000 For joining me on Loomer Unleashed tonight.

00:47:28.000 You know that we love animals here.

00:47:30.000 And you and I had a very long conversation earlier today about the important work you're doing.

00:47:36.000 But, you know, it's tax day.

00:47:38.000 It's tax day.

00:47:38.000 So I figure that while Americans are...

00:47:42.000 You know, sitting around having dinner or digesting their dinner, watching my show tonight, maybe crying themselves to sleep over the money that they had to send the federal government today to pay their taxes.

00:47:54.000 They would like to know where some of their taxpayer money is going.

00:47:59.000 All those big checks that people sent today to the IRS.

00:48:02.000 We're going to have a very, very emotional conversation about how some of that money is being used to fund these cruel experiments.

00:48:10.000 So thanks for joining me tonight.

00:48:12.000 Oh, it's a pleasure to be here, and thanks for all your advocacy for animals.

00:48:15.000 We really appreciate it.

00:48:16.000 Of course.

00:48:17.000 So, I just want to get into it.

00:48:19.000 We put the story out on my website, Lumard.com, today.

00:48:23.000 We just showed the article, let's get it back on the screen, about how White Coat Waste, uncovered through their investigation, you sent a FOIA request, and you got documents that show that the co-founder of Moderna actually received A ton of taxpayer money.

00:48:42.000 You can scroll down and see the details of this article just so that people can see the receipts right here.

00:48:47.000 Through the Freedom of Information Act, FOIA, White Coat Waste has uncovered how in 2024 the NIH, and it's 2024 but they're still conducting these experiments today, forked over $322,000 of our taxpayer money to a biotech company co-founded and run by Robert Langer,

00:49:05.000 who was the billionaire co-founder of Moderna.

00:49:08.000 And now he, you know, He has his own bio lab called Langer's Sintus Bio, and they're receiving our taxpayer dollars to conduct these horrific experiments on dogs and pigs.

00:49:21.000 What can you tell us about this, Justin?

00:49:24.000 So, yeah, we, you know, as you said, today's tax day, and I think most taxpayers would be shocked to learn that the federal government is the single largest funder of animal testing in the world, and over $20 billion of the money that Hard-working Americans just sent to Uncle Sam is going to be wasted to torture dogs,

00:49:44.000 cats, primates, and other animals in laboratories, both in the United States and abroad in places like China.

00:49:50.000 And our recent investigation that you broke today, and thank you so much for doing that, shows that these tax dollars are being sent to billionaires.

00:49:58.000 The billionaire co-founder of Moderna, who is an mRNA pioneer, who is a startup He has tons of startup companies.

00:50:10.000 I think he started over 20 companies.

00:50:12.000 He doesn't need our tax money.

00:50:13.000 But Uncle Sam, the NIH in particular, sent him over $300,000 last year to fund R&D for a new Ozempic-like competitor drug that mimics the effects of a gastric bypass surgery.

00:50:26.000 And the way they're doing this testing is that they're force-feeding this experimental drug to dogs for eight months at a time to see what happens.

00:50:34.000 Now, not only is this...

00:50:35.000 Testing completely unnecessary.

00:50:37.000 Obviously, Robert Langer, billionaire co-founder of Moderna, does not need taxpayer dollars.

00:50:43.000 And that's the same for a lot of these colleges and universities, places like Harvard, places like Yale, places like the University of California that have multi-billion dollar, tens of billion dollar endowments in some cases.

00:50:56.000 We're footing the bill.

00:51:00.000 And just so people know, speaking of endowments, he currently is teaching at MIT.

00:51:06.000 So if you want to express your outrage, it's really interesting.

00:51:09.000 Again, we talked about in the beginning opening of the show tonight how the Democrats traditionally have been described as the party that cares about the environment and animal welfare.

00:51:19.000 And, you know, for years we were brainwashed into thinking that it's the Democrats that care about these causes.

00:51:25.000 But during the first Trump administration, I'm sure that we can pull the receipts on that and show everybody on the screen here because we're all about the receipts here at Loomer Unleashed.

00:51:54.000 But not only that, you know, you have all these liberal institutions like MIT and Harvard and all of these elite research institutions where they pride themselves on being very liberal.

00:52:04.000 And yet they're the ones that are funding and participating and hiring individuals like Bob Langer of Moderna to conduct these horrific experiments.

00:52:15.000 Yeah, that's absolutely right.

00:52:17.000 Speaking of Harvard, two of the animal testing grants that Trump has cut already in these first few weeks or first few months of the administration We're transgender animal experiments that we exposed that were being conducted at Harvard University with millions of our tax dollars.

00:52:34.000 Obviously, Trump is now cracking down on all funding to Harvard, which is great because there's tens of thousands of animals locked in Harvard's taxpayer-funded animal laboratories, and taxpayers shouldn't be forced to foot the bill for that, especially at an institution like Harvard that has billions of dollars in its stockpile waiting to be spent.

00:52:51.000 And we're seeing this across the country.

00:52:53.000 Colleges and universities are Public enemy number one when it comes to taxpayer-funded animal testing.

00:52:59.000 And they're the ones on Capitol Hill lobbying against these reforms that the Trump administration is calling for to cut funding for animal testing.

00:53:06.000 Because animal testing to colleges, universities, professors around the country is a big business.

00:53:12.000 $20 billion is a lot of money.

00:53:14.000 People are making their careers.

00:53:15.000 Torturing animals in laboratories at taxpayers' expense, and the only people benefiting from it are the people being paid to do it.

00:53:21.000 These experiments are not improving public health.

00:53:24.000 The NIH budget doubled 25 years ago.

00:53:26.000 Our life expectancy isn't better.

00:53:28.000 Public health isn't better.

00:53:30.000 We're not living better lives, but people are getting rich.

00:53:34.000 Absolutely. And a lot of people may not know your organization, White Coat Waste, but they certainly know of the work that you've done.

00:53:41.000 And so, as you were saying, if you saw President Trump recently talk about during his address to Congress how Doge uncovered all of this wasteful spending to do experiments on transgender mice, that is work that you guys are responsible for uncovering. 0.61

00:53:56.000 Also, the stories that really captivated everybody's attention during COVID when you exposed your organization.

00:54:07.000 We have a video, actually, from when you were uncovering all of the horrific...

00:54:22.000 Animal testing experiments that were being conducted by Dr. Fauci.

00:54:27.000 And Dr. Fauci, of course, was abusing these poor beagles who were putting, they were put in these cages. 1.00

00:54:32.000 You can describe some of the...

00:54:34.000 The acts of animal abuse in greater detail than I can.

00:54:38.000 But I recall one of them where they put their head in some kind of a cone and they were just letting fruit flies literally eat their eyes.

00:54:46.000 And they were sitting there unable to move and they were just being eaten alive by fruit flies.

00:54:51.000 And this is something that our taxpayer dollars are paying for.

00:54:54.000 And I remember seeing it on TV and I had to just turn it off because it's just so disgusting.

00:54:57.000 The idea of watching a poor innocent dog being chained inside a laboratory having its...

00:55:03.000 Face literally eaten alive by bugs as some kind of experiment paid for by my money.

00:55:08.000 So let's go ahead and play the video.

00:55:39.000 go ahead and play the video.

00:55:39.000 So let's go ahead and

00:55:55.000 play the video.

00:56:09.000 So let's go ahead and play the video.

00:56:15.000 So how much of our taxpayer money went towards funding those horrific experiments by the CCP in China that we just saw on the screen right there?

00:56:24.000 Yeah, Laura, you know, it's a coincidence we're talking about it this week because five years ago this week is when White Coat Waste first uncovered Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab that obviously everyone now understands probably caused COVID with its gain-of-function experiments that Fauci was shipping tax dollars to.

00:56:40.000 Also, USAID was paying for those animal experiments.

00:56:43.000 We got the receipts for that.

00:56:44.000 We exposed it in early 2020.

00:56:46.000 And a couple days later, of course, President Trump went on TV and cut the grants.

00:56:50.000 But despite what happened in Wuhan, we've continued, the NIH has continued to ship tax dollars to dozens of animal testing laboratories in China.

00:56:57.000 Those were just a few videos of footage from inside taxpayer-funded labs in China, including laboratories that are run by the CCP and are working with the People's Liberation Army.

00:57:11.000 The Trump administration has cut funding for a few of those laboratories over the last few months, and we're very grateful for that.

00:57:17.000 He's cut funding for some Fauci-funded experiments on rabbits that were happening, malaria infection experiments that were happening in one of these laboratories.

00:57:24.000 But today, as of this morning, 20 animal laboratories in China are still eligible for funding from the National Institutes of Health.

00:57:33.000 And one of those laboratories has an active grant from the NIH and the DOD to test experimental drugs On 300 beagles every single week at U.S. taxpayers' expense.

00:57:47.000 And the reason they picked beagles, and it says this right in the FOIA documents under the justification for the species, this Chinese lab told the NIH that the reason it was choosing beagles is because they're cute and docile. 0.81

00:57:59.000 And that's why you're choosing beagles.

00:58:23.000 And then the United States government through the NIH is sending money over so that you can

00:58:28.000 Torture an innocent dog that is not going to fight back.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, the NIH apparently thought it was a great reason to torture beagles and sent them hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it on an active contract that's still being funded, unfortunately, under the Trump administration.

00:58:41.000 But we are...

00:58:43.000 I'm cautiously optimistic.

00:58:44.000 Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the new recently confirmed NIH director, is a supporter of white coat waste and has been an advocate against some of Dr. Fauci's bad science experiments on dogs, on other animals, both in the U.S. and abroad.

00:58:57.000 So we're hoping they crack down quickly.

00:58:59.000 Can you talk to him about this?

00:59:01.000 I mean, you said that he's an ally of yours.

00:59:04.000 What is he saying when you tell him that the NIH is still funding these grants?

00:59:08.000 I mean, can't they just pull the funding?

00:59:09.000 Why not pull the funding immediately?

00:59:13.000 I think that's a great question.

00:59:14.000 I spoke to him before he was confirmed.

00:59:16.000 I appeared on his ex-spaces that he was hosting, talking about Fauci's funding, NIH funding for dog labs, labs in China.

00:59:23.000 And he's receptive.

00:59:24.000 I expect him to do good things.

00:59:25.000 He's a reformer.

00:59:26.000 He wants to clean up the mess that Fauci and others left at the NIH.

00:59:30.000 This needs to be done right now.

00:59:32.000 This is something that Trump needs to see right now, especially amid all the terrorists with China and China attacking our country and making threats. 0.51

00:59:43.000 This is something that could literally be stopped tomorrow with the stroke of President Trump's pen.

00:59:48.000 So if you're watching this right now and you don't want your money going towards funding 300 beagles every single week being tortured by the CCP and they're animals over there.

00:59:58.000 I mean, they behave like animals towards animals in China. 0.94

01:00:01.000 And I don't really care if that offends people because I know what it's like.

01:00:05.000 My dog was rescued from a Chinese meat market.

01:00:08.000 My little dog who's...

01:00:09.000 Who was emaciated when I got her was only in the United States for two weeks when I first adopted her during COVID and she was going to be eaten alive. 1.00

01:00:18.000 So, you know, how are you going to eat a dog that's seven pounds?

01:00:21.000 And that's what they do to these dogs. 0.83

01:00:22.000 They do experiments on them and then they kill them and they sell them in their wet markets and they eat them as, you know, as snacks. 0.53

01:00:29.000 And so this is a barbaric culture. 0.98

01:00:33.000 You know, look, we need to crack down on this because just like the CCP has a courageous human rights violations and they promote censorship and communism, they're also encouraging the abuse of animals.

01:00:44.000 And so if you're watching this right now, you need to have outrage and demand that the Trump administration immediately rescind the funding for these grants.

01:00:52.000 There's no time to waste, in my opinion, talking to the new NIH director saying, oh, you know, you're a fan.

01:00:59.000 That's great.

01:01:00.000 We hope to do good things.

01:01:01.000 If you want to do good things, That's all you can do.

01:01:05.000 You can immediately rescind the funding, in my opinion.

01:01:07.000 I think that there's too much dancing and too much talking in Washington.

01:01:11.000 And, you know, perhaps somebody needs to go back to Washington, D.C. and go back to the Oval Office and tell President Trump about this, right?

01:01:19.000 So we can get some quick action like that.

01:01:23.000 From your mouth to Trump's ears, and we can bring some beagles along for that adventure to the Oval. 0.98

01:01:29.000 You know, listen, making these changes, these common sense reforms to stop the torture of pets in China is something everyone can support.

01:01:36.000 It actually picks up where Trump left off in 2020 and'21.

01:01:40.000 He cut the Wuhan lab grant.

01:01:42.000 He actually also cut, under Trump, this is actually what led us to the Wuhan lab investigation that we did.

01:01:48.000 Is under the first Trump administration and for years before it, the USDA was, this is a crazy story and it's 100% true, we got the receipts.

01:01:57.000 The USDA was having staff fly to China, to the wet markets, to other countries, to their wet markets, buy dog and cat meat, fly it back to the United States.

01:02:09.000 And then force feed it to kittens in cannibalism experiments at the USDA laboratory in the Beltway, right outside of Washington, D.C. This went on for decades.

01:02:18.000 It cost $22 million to taxpayers.

01:02:20.000 They killed over 5,000 cats in this laboratory, thousands of dogs.

01:02:24.000 And this had gone on for years until we exposed it and the Trump USDA in 2018.

01:02:30.000 Said no mas.

01:02:31.000 They cut off the funding for the project and they actually adopted out the cats who were left in the laboratory.

01:02:36.000 And one of them now lives with our president and founder, Anthony Bellotti.

01:02:40.000 So again, this is all part of Trump's legacy that he left.

01:02:44.000 That he began in 2020, 2021, and we're happy he's picking up where he left off in terms of cutting some of these Chinese grants, cracking down on animal testing, other federal agencies like we've seen this week, cutting off transgender grants.

01:02:57.000 But there's a lot more work to do.

01:02:59.000 There's more money being wasted on animal experimentation than ever, more taxpayer money.

01:03:04.000 There's more animals in labs than ever.

01:03:05.000 And we know more than ever that it's just a complete waste of tax dollars.

01:03:09.000 We're not getting public health benefits.

01:03:10.000 There's not a good return on investment.

01:03:12.000 The people benefiting are the ones who are cashing checks to torture puppies.

01:03:16.000 And it's got to stop.

01:03:18.000 And this is something that's widely supported across the political spectrum.

01:03:22.000 Over 70% of Americans want to stop funding labs in China.

01:03:25.000 They want to stop funding testing on dogs and cats.

01:03:27.000 They don't want the tax payment that they made, maybe today, maybe last night, to be sent to China to torture puppies. 0.83

01:03:34.000 I mean, this is just common sense.

01:03:37.000 He is being sent to China through these grants from from, you know, U.S. taxpayers via the NIH to fund these experiments on beagles, because I think people would like to know how much money is going towards these grants specifically, especially given the fact that the United States is engaged in a terror for with China as as we speak. 0.52

01:03:58.000 Right. Currently live on this program tonight.

01:04:00.000 So how much money are we talking about?

01:04:02.000 You said that 20 billion dollars this year alone of U.S. taxpayer dollars is going to go.

01:04:08.000 How much is going to China for these NIH experiments that the Trump administration is aware of but for some reason the new NIH director doesn't want to immediately rescind even though he says he's a fan of yours?

01:04:23.000 I mean, we're talking about millions of dollars and actually it's hard to get an exact dollar amount because transparency about federal spending is so horrendous.

01:04:31.000 But Joni Ernst did a report a few years ago and tracked about a billion dollars that had been sent to entities in China, including these laboratories.

01:04:38.000 She actually just introduced a bill today with GOP conference chair in the House, Lisa McClain.

01:04:44.000 Called the AFAR Act that we're supporting that would completely cut funding for all laboratories, animal laboratories in China, Russia, and other adversarial nations.

01:04:52.000 I think we can all agree that our tax dollars shouldn't be spent.

01:04:55.000 It's just being shipped to animal laboratories that are torturing puppies and foreign enemies.

01:05:00.000 This is incredible.

01:05:00.000 I can't believe that this is still happening under the Trump administration.

01:05:05.000 Yeah, well, listen, there's a big mess to clean up at the NIH.

01:05:10.000 You know, Francis Collins, Anthony Fauci, Monica Bertignoli, the leadership of the NIH allowed rampant waste, fraud and abuse to blossom at this agency for decades.

01:05:21.000 You know, look at the photos you were describing in the beginning of the program with the money Fauci sent to Tunisia to put...

01:05:28.000 Beagle puppies, sedate them, lock them in mesh cages, and then fill cages with sand flies and let them bite their faces, eat their faces alive. 0.86

01:05:36.000 Take photographs of it.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, we have those photos somewhere.

01:05:39.000 We can look them up.

01:05:41.000 Perhaps my producer can find these photos, but I'm not making it up, you guys.

01:05:46.000 These are literally the types of experiments that our taxpayer dollars are funding.

01:05:50.000 They're putting flies in a container with beagles and letting them eat their faces alive. 0.92

01:05:54.000 It's disgusting.

01:05:56.000 I think we have...

01:05:57.000 They're letting them blind them.

01:05:59.000 They just want their eyes to just be completely...

01:06:02.000 Yeah, that photo with the green gloves right there is taken in Fauci's laboratory.

01:06:08.000 That's one of them that was taken in Fauci's laboratory in the Beltway where they were doing biting fly experiments on beagles.

01:06:14.000 Those are photos we got through the Freedom of Information Act.

01:06:16.000 And then they were funding that laboratory in Tunisia where they were locking their heads in mesh cages.

01:06:21.000 And then not only were these papers coming out with photos from the Fauci-funded experimenters citing Fauci as the funder, then Fauci and the NIH went out and lied about it and worked with the Washington Post to...

01:06:32.000 designed a disinformation campaign where they run a front page story saying it was fake news.

01:06:36.000 And it turns out we had the receipts.

01:06:38.000 Not only did they fund that laboratory, they lied about it and coordinated this whole campaign to cover it up.

01:06:43.000 Five years later, the Washington Post finally admitted it, but Fauci's still lying about it, lied about it in his book.

01:06:48.000 But that was just the tip of the iceberg for him and the NIH.

01:06:51.000 Fauci also funded laboratories that were debarking the beagles, because beagles are small, they aren't easy to abuse, they are cute, but they're also loud and they make a lot of noise.

01:06:59.000 So Fauci was paying Laboratories for an extra line item to de-bark the beagles so they wouldn't make a peep in the laboratory.

01:07:08.000 In other words, taking out their vocal cords.

01:07:11.000 So they couldn't make any noise in the laboratory.

01:07:13.000 They couldn't bark.

01:07:13.000 They couldn't cry out in pain.

01:07:15.000 They just want these silent victims at taxpayer expense.

01:07:19.000 And this has been going on for decades.

01:07:20.000 And Fauci's not just some paper pusher.

01:07:22.000 I think people think of him, you know, maybe think he's an evil man scientist.

01:07:26.000 And he is for a lot of reasons, including what happened in Wuhan and funding and lying about that.

01:07:30.000 But this guy, for 50 years, was personally conducting animal experimentation.

01:07:35.000 In the 80s, he was infecting chimps with HIV, hoping they would get AIDS, promising we'd have an AIDS vaccine.

01:07:42.000 Guess what?

01:07:42.000 We still don't have one.

01:07:43.000 Until the day he left the NIH in 2022, Fauci was personally experimenting on primates, infecting them with SIV, which is the monkey version of HIV and other viruses.

01:07:53.000 So even though he's gone, his legacy of waste, fraud, and abuse absolutely permeated.

01:07:58.000 The NIH and there are people who work for him and with him and across the agency who need to be cleaned out.

01:08:04.000 There's puppies right now being injected with cocaine and fentanyl in experiments, active contracts that the NIH has.

01:08:11.000 Where are these puppies being abused? 0.98

01:08:15.000 Laboratories across the country.

01:08:17.000 Four higher private testing labs that the NIH is giving contracts to.

01:08:21.000 To do cocaine abuse experiments on puppies where they inject them with cocaine, overdose them on cocaine, inject them with fentanyl, and then some of the puppies get injected with both of the drugs to see how they interact.

01:08:32.000 And this is all happening at this cocaine experiment.

01:08:35.000 What happens?

01:08:36.000 Do the dogs die?

01:08:37.000 What happens to these dogs?

01:08:38.000 Some of them die from the overdose and some are killed at the end of the experiment.

01:08:41.000 And this project was actually recently renewed.

01:08:44.000 We worked with Rand Paul a few years ago to expose this project.

01:08:47.000 We weren't able to end it, and the NIH actually renewed it and has now given over $5 million of tax funding to abuse these puppies and these cocaine addiction experiments.

01:08:55.000 So when do they receive the $5 million?

01:08:57.000 Since it's tax day, when do they get the $5 million?

01:09:02.000 They've gotten that money over the last few years, but they're currently being funded right now.

01:09:06.000 There's over 48,000 dogs in U.S. laboratories right now, and most of those dogs are being used in either taxpayer-funded experiments or Or government mandated testing by the FDA and the EPA where they force feed puppies,

01:09:23.000 chemical, experimental drugs and pesticides and other chemicals to see at what massive dose they start to seize and foam at the mouth and in some cases die.

01:09:33.000 And the FDA and EPA are forcing companies to do this and that's why it's exciting that this past week both the EPA and the FDA Picked up where Trump 45 left off and announced that they were renewing the efforts that the Biden administration sidelined to cut some of these animal testing mandates because they're incredibly wasteful,

01:09:50.000 incredibly expensive, and incredibly cruel.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, just when you thought that you couldn't hate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris enough, you find out that they are funding and encouraging the funding of all of these horrific experiments on innocent animals.

01:10:05.000 It's so sad. 0.99

01:10:06.000 I mean, you really just have to be such a screwed up person, too. 0.97

01:10:11.000 I mean, I think that President Trump would be outraged if he knew that this was still happening under his administration. 0.98

01:10:21.000 I know President Trump, and I think that he would immediately want to end this.

01:10:26.000 I can't speak for the president, but I can only imagine that if he found out that grant money under his administration was going towards funding these horrific experiments on animals, that he would want to end it immediately.

01:10:37.000 How can people contact the new director of the NIH, and where do you think that the activist wing of the MAGA movement or people watching this show tonight can focus their efforts in terms of demanding accountability?

01:10:52.000 Like, who are some of these holdovers at the NIH who should be fired by President Trump?

01:10:56.000 I think you should start naming some names.

01:10:59.000 Nora Volko is one person I would name.

01:11:02.000 She's been at the NIH for over 40 years.

01:11:04.000 She's the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

01:11:07.000 She's the one who has greenlit and approved the cocaine and fentanyl addiction experiments on puppies.

01:11:15.000 Under her, NIDA was funding transgender animal experiments where they were creating transgender lab animals by surgically sterilizing them and then giving them... 1.00

01:11:27.000 Uh, sex hormones and then overdosing them on a, uh, GHB, which is a drug used at sex parties to see if animals on, female animals on testosterone were more likely to overdose on this sex party drug than animals not on testosterone.

01:11:43.000 That project got over a million dollars under Volco at NIDA, uh, and was recently cut, thank goodness, by the Trump administration.

01:11:51.000 Cocaine experiments on puppies.

01:11:53.000 NIDA is also funding experiments in laboratories across the country where they're giving monkeys methamphetamines.

01:11:59.000 They're forcing pregnant monkeys to eat THC edibles. 1.00

01:12:03.000 Tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars being wasted on these types of stupid experiments. 1.00

01:12:08.000 All a taxpayer expense. 1.00

01:12:09.000 All wildly opposed.

01:12:11.000 And again, the Trump administration, they don't get nearly enough credit for it.

01:12:14.000 But I would say that President Trump...

01:12:16.000 His first administration made more progress to end the abuse of animals in laboratories than any other administration in history.

01:12:23.000 From ending those kitten cannibalism experiments at the USDA, which was the government's single largest cat lab.

01:12:29.000 Done. Shut down.

01:12:30.000 They shut down nicotine experiments on monkeys at the FDA.

01:12:34.000 Obviously defunded the Wuhan lab.

01:12:37.000 Ended dog testing at the VA, put in place the first retirement policies for lab animals at federal agencies.

01:12:44.000 So Trump has a great track record when it comes especially to saving dogs and cats from wasteful government experiments.

01:12:49.000 Unfortunately, NIH is public enemy number one, and during his first Trump and during the first administration, they were really insulated from a lot of scrutiny.

01:12:59.000 They were protected by members of Congress.

01:13:01.000 Of course, there was lots of deep state folks at the NIH.

01:13:05.000 We have a new NIH director, and so I don't understand why Dr. How do you pronounce his last name?

01:13:12.000 Jay Bhattacharya.

01:13:13.000 Bhattacharya. Why is he just telling you what you want to hear?

01:13:17.000 I mean, he says, oh, he's a big fan of yours.

01:13:19.000 So my question to Dr. Bhattacharya is, if you're such a fan of white coat waste, why are you allowing this?

01:13:25.000 You're the director.

01:13:26.000 Use your power.

01:13:27.000 Shut down these grants and the money and the financing of the animal abuse.

01:13:31.000 I mean, it's one thing to say, oh, yeah, you know, you're doing such good work, Justin.

01:13:35.000 But at the end of the day, if you're not, you know, using your power to revoke the funding, what is a nice thing?

01:13:40.000 What does a nice compliment mean? 0.99

01:13:41.000 It doesn't mean shit. 0.99

01:13:41.000 It really doesn't mean shit at the end of the day. 0.99

01:13:44.000 Well, we're trying to give him a little space and let him get settled at NIH. 0.98

01:13:47.000 Obviously, they fired a lot of people. 0.86

01:13:49.000 He just got confirmed.

01:13:50.000 It's literally like a single statement.

01:13:54.000 If you're the director, you could literally just walk into work one day and say, end all funding of animal experiments.

01:14:00.000 I'm the director.

01:14:01.000 I'm your boss.

01:14:02.000 You have to listen to me.

01:14:03.000 It's that simple.

01:14:04.000 Hey, I hope I wake up to that tomorrow.

01:14:06.000 I hope Jay's watching right now.

01:14:08.000 People can tweet@NIHdirect I mean, am I crazy or does it not seem like it's that simple?

01:14:21.000 Should it just be that simple for the NIH director to send out a mass email directive, kind of like how they sent out a mass email with Doge telling everybody to remove pronouns from their bios or else, you know, they were going to get fired because we're not supporting DEI anymore.

01:14:36.000 Can't they issue a, you know, a memorandum from the director of the...

01:14:40.000 The NIH demanding that all grant money is rescinded from animal experiments?

01:14:45.000 People just need to start using their power.

01:14:48.000 I don't know.

01:14:49.000 It just seems like in Washington, D.C., and you tell me that your organization is remote, but you work out of Washington, D.C., that there's a lot of excuse making, right?

01:14:59.000 If you want to do something, then go do it.

01:15:01.000 Right? If you want to actually end animal testing and you want to protect animals, then go do it.

01:15:06.000 It just seems like there's a lot of talk, and so that's your job if you're the NIH director and Anthony Fauci was in charge of NIH and he was able to facilitate all of this.

01:15:16.000 Why is Anthony Fauci allowed to do whatever he wants, but Dr. Bhattacharya can't do what he wants?

01:15:20.000 If he truly wants to save the animals, then I think that actions speak louder than words.

01:15:27.000 I agree.

01:15:28.000 I think this is something that could be done with the stroke of a pen.

01:15:30.000 There's precedent for other things that the current Trump administration did and certainly the first Trump administration did regarding animal testing at these other agencies where they completely cut the funding, closed the labs, and let the animals be retired.

01:15:43.000 I mean, they could certainly model that and put out a statement pretty quickly saying we're going to close.

01:15:48.000 NIH still has one dog laboratory in D.C. In the NIH headquarters, where Dr. Bhattacharya's office is, where they are taking puppies.

01:15:57.000 They've been doing this for decades.

01:15:58.000 They take beagle puppies.

01:15:59.000 They buy them again because they're cute and docile and easy to abuse.

01:16:02.000 They buy these beagle puppies.

01:16:03.000 They pump bacteria into their lungs to give them pneumonia.

01:16:07.000 And then they slice.

01:16:09.000 There are arteries to bleed them out to put them into septic shock.

01:16:13.000 And then they see which of the dogs can survive and which ones will die within 72 hours.

01:16:19.000 And the ones who survive still get killed again.

01:16:20.000 What is the purpose of doing that?

01:16:23.000 They're trying to study septic shock.

01:16:25.000 They give them experimental transfusions.

01:16:27.000 They do all kinds of horrible manipulations to these dogs who are suffering horribly, intentionally being infected and sickened with these deadly viruses and bacteria.

01:16:35.000 That's unacceptable that he's allowing this to happen.

01:16:39.000 It's been four months, several months now, okay?

01:16:42.000 Enough settling in.

01:16:43.000 It's time to do your job.

01:16:44.000 How much settling in?

01:16:46.000 And look, I'm not trying to be antagonistic towards Dr. Bhattacharya, but how much time do you really need to settle in?

01:16:51.000 If this is happening in your own office in Washington, D.C., I would be walking into that room and I would be...

01:16:58.000 I mean, I don't want to go to prison, so I'm not going to say what I would be doing.

01:17:02.000 But let's just say that I would probably be reversing the rules of those animals and those humans in the positions that they were being subjected to if I knew that that was happening in the same office that I was working out of.

01:17:17.000 I mean, that, in my opinion, is unacceptable for him to be allowing that to take place.

01:17:22.000 It's April 15th.

01:17:25.000 We're almost towards April 20th, right?

01:17:27.000 January, February, March, April.

01:17:29.000 How much time does this guy need to get settled in since the inauguration of President Trump to shut down these barbaric experiments?

01:17:36.000 Again, I'm not trying to be extremely confrontational towards Dr. Bhattacharya, but at what point do you just say, okay, if you want to do something, go do it?

01:17:45.000 It's one thing if this is happening in Tunisia or it's happening in some village in China.

01:17:50.000 Right, but if this is happening in Washington, D.C., in the very office that you check into every single day, I mean, that's unacceptable, the fact that that's happening in our nation's capital.

01:18:01.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:18:02.000 And the guy doing that also been in NIH, like Nora Volko at the NIDA, NIDA.

01:18:10.000 She's been there for 40 years, something like that.

01:18:12.000 This guy doing, Stephen Solomon, the guy doing the dog experiments inside the NIH, he's been there for over a quarter century.

01:18:18.000 These are the type of people who need to be, Sent to the Indian Health Agency or somewhere else, get them out of Washington, get them out of the animal testing business, let them do something else with their time.

01:18:29.000 But we certainly don't need them here anymore.

01:18:32.000 And hopefully Dr. Bhattacharya and Doge are going to see that and send them, you know, give them their walking papers.

01:18:38.000 But listen, we've seen Doge make a lot of great progress.

01:18:41.000 We've seen FDA.

01:18:45.000 Have you talked to Dr. Bhattacharya about this?

01:18:48.000 Have you told him about these individuals who need to be fired?

01:18:53.000 We're talking about some of these people.

01:18:56.000 We're going to be talking to him.

01:19:01.000 He's going to be hearing about these individuals because this is unacceptable.

01:19:05.000 The fact that people like this who have facilitated these experiments are still in their positions and they haven't been fired under a new Trump administration.

01:19:13.000 There's a lot of agencies in Washington, D.C. under the new Trump administration, as people are learning, that have a lot of holdovers and people who participated in a lot of evil activities who need to lose their jobs.

01:19:27.000 Fortunately, they've been firing a lot of them.

01:19:29.000 It's almost hard to keep track of who's at some of these agencies anymore.

01:19:32.000 But we've seen a lot of people, in particular at Fauci's old agency, NIAID, that have been let go over the last few weeks.

01:19:38.000 His successor, the director of NIAID, after Fauci was let go the other day.

01:19:42.000 Obviously, we have a new director.

01:19:44.000 So things are moving in the right direction.

01:19:46.000 But we had four priorities coming into the first 100 days of this administration.

01:19:50.000 One, defund dog and cat testing.

01:19:52.000 I think we're just pushing up maybe April 20th as the 100.

01:19:58.000 Yeah, it's in about five days.

01:20:02.000 Maybe Dr. Bhattacharya in the next five days can make some magic for us and save some dogs and cats.

01:20:09.000 Number two is defunding labs in China.

01:20:11.000 And I know the Trump administration has sent a directive to NIH saying they don't want to be funding research in countries of concern.

01:20:18.000 But we still have these active grants.

01:20:20.000 So in some cases, we've seen incomplete.

01:20:24.000 You know, action with incomplete follow-through.

01:20:28.000 So they've prevented new spending, but they're not stopping the existing spending that's already being shipped over to these laboratories in China and other foreign countries.

01:20:35.000 So dog and cat defunding was number one.

01:20:38.000 Defunding Chinese labs.

01:20:40.000 Three was putting in place the EPA animal testing phase out again.

01:20:44.000 Where do the beagles come from?

01:20:46.000 So when we are funding the 300 beagles per week, are we also supplying the beagles?

01:20:51.000 Where do they get the beagles from?

01:20:53.000 That's a great question.

01:20:54.000 We are supplying them.

01:20:55.000 So the NIH funds breeding operations all around the country.

01:21:00.000 So there's colleges and universities that with NIH funding tens of millions of dollars every year, in some cases from the NIH, they are breeding dogs and cats to have genetic disorders, to be sick, to have bleeding disorders, to be blind, to be crippled.

01:21:16.000 They intentionally breed them to be sick and deformed.

01:21:19.000 For some of these experiments.

01:21:21.000 And then in some other cases, they are paying these essentially commercial puppy mills that specifically breed puppies and kittens to be sold into experimentation.

01:21:32.000 And it's all at taxpayers expense.

01:21:35.000 That's why our mission is to cut taxpayer funding, because I talked about 20 billion dollars being wasted every year.

01:21:41.000 Two thirds of all animal testing in this country is funded by the federal government.

01:21:44.000 If you get the government out of the animal testing business.

01:21:48.000 Which means it's funded by us, really, at the end of the day.

01:21:51.000 It's funded by all the money that all of you just sent to the IRS today.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, and that's what I lose sleep about overnight.

01:21:57.000 When I paid my tax bill late last night, just by the skin of my teeth in time for the deadline, that's what I think about.

01:22:05.000 Oh, this money is going to go into the NIH.

01:22:07.000 This money is going to go to these other agencies that are torturing animals, wasting my money.

01:22:12.000 Hurting public health, causing pandemics.

01:22:14.000 You know, like that's the worst case scenario for animal testing.

01:22:17.000 That's what happened in Wuhan is we were doing experiments with bats and humanized mice and created a super virus that got out and killed 20 million people and cost trillions of dollars.

01:22:25.000 And that's something that we knew was going to happen and Fauci did anyway.

01:22:30.000 And we're doing that now.

01:22:31.000 There's a laboratory, another project that's happening right now that was funded under Fauci that is still active, Laura.

01:22:37.000 So again, if you get to talk to Trump, this is another one to prioritize.

01:22:42.000 EcoHealth Alliance, the Wuhan lab's partner, has a plan with Colorado State University to build a new bat lab and import hundreds of bats from Asia for virus experiments with NEPA, Ebola, COVID, and other viruses, including incurable viruses.

01:22:56.000 And they're going to set up basically what we're calling Wuhan West.

01:23:00.000 Out in Colorado, where they're doing these crazy gain-of-function virus experiments, again, at taxpayers' expense, but this time on U.S. soil.

01:23:08.000 So we haven't learned our lesson yet.

01:23:09.000 But that's a project that's gotten over $15 million in taxpayer money.

01:23:14.000 Most of it, some from the state of Colorado, but most of it from Fauci's division of the NIH.

01:23:20.000 It's unbelievable that this hasn't been shut down.

01:23:23.000 Where are these breeding operations taking place, and can there be legislation drafted on a federal level?

01:23:30.000 I know that my friend Meg Weinberger, who's a legislator here in the state of Florida, is creating legislation to target dog breeders here in the state of Florida to go after abusive breeding operations here, where you have all types of mills,

01:23:47.000 and it's a very unfortunate situation with the unregulated dog breeding.

01:23:53.000 Where are these taxpayer-funded dog breeding operations where they are breeding dogs to have disorders so that they can abuse them?

01:24:01.000 Because it seems like that should be shut down.

01:24:03.000 I mean, isn't that animal cruelty?

01:24:05.000 Isn't that what falls under animal cruelty, according to President Trump's executive order from 2019?

01:24:12.000 Well, certainly a lot of the experiments that happen in laboratories would be criminal cruelty if they happened outside of a lab in someone's garage.

01:24:19.000 And so there is a double standard that's impossible to reconcile.

01:24:22.000 We're paying people to torture pets in ways that would be criminal felonies, land you in jail if you're not a citizen, get you deported.

01:24:31.000 But instead, we're paying people big paychecks, rewarding number of promotions and grants, published papers.

01:24:38.000 Promote, you know, awards at conferences.

01:24:42.000 And we've really created this infrastructure and industry of animal testing in the U.S. that a lot of people are benefiting from.

01:24:48.000 You know, one of the big breeding operations at the University of North Carolina, which gets enormous amounts of taxpayer dollars.

01:24:55.000 And at UNC, they are breeding Scotty dogs and all different breeds of dogs to have hemophilia and other bleeding disorders.

01:25:03.000 And a lot of these puppies die.

01:25:06.000 Soon after birth, because if they get a little tiny injury or bang themselves, they bleed out because they can't control their bleeding.

01:25:12.000 And UNC then goes and sells those puppies, experiments on some of them there, or it sells them to other laboratories across the country.

01:25:19.000 And there's lots of little kind of, it's become a taxpayer-funded cottage industry of puppy and kitten mills that are specifically breeding these sick and deformed animals who are just destined to be killed in experiments if they don't die before that.

01:26:00.000 I can't hear.

01:26:02.000 Oh, you can't hear all of a sudden.

01:26:04.000 Oh, there we go.

01:26:04.000 There, you're back.

01:26:05.000 Did you hear what I said about the Make America's Dog Safe Again legislation?

01:26:11.000 So it's aiming for accountability and transparency.

01:26:14.000 This is a bill right now that's up for review in the Florida legislature.

01:26:18.000 My friend Meg Weinberger, who does a lot of work to support animals, she has her own animal rescue here in the state of Florida.

01:26:27.000 Why can't we get some kind of legislation like this on a federal level to make sure that these breeders, whether they're taxpayer-funded or not, have to have standards that provide accountability and transparency for how dogs are being bred so that animals are not abused?

01:26:44.000 I just rescued a dog.

01:26:46.000 I just rescued a puppy a couple weeks ago.

01:26:49.000 Poodle Shih Tzu mix from an abusive breeder situation.

01:26:53.000 So you have all these breeders here in Florida that just do backyard breeding and they have all these dogs that have issues or they abuse them or they can't take care of them and then animal control comes in and they confiscate the dogs.

01:27:06.000 But in this case, you have breeders that are intentionally trying to breed dogs with disabilities and ailments and then you're subjecting a dog to either be euthanized or have severe...

01:27:18.000 You know, severe health problems or physical disorders for the rest of its life.

01:27:24.000 Yeah, so we're working on a variety of pieces of legislation that would simply cut the funding for these programs and put them out of business, right?

01:27:31.000 So Congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis from Staten Island, who is the co-chair of the House Animal Protection Caucus, introduced a bill called the Health Pets Act that would cut any taxpayer funding to any college and university that is conducting Painful experiments on dogs and cats.

01:27:47.000 So not only would it prevent funding for those experiments, but it says if you're a college or university and you have any dog or cat in your laboratory that you're subjecting to painful experiments, you're going to lose all your funding.

01:27:58.000 So we're talking about billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer funding that these universities stand to lose if they continue engaging in these experiments or breeding these animals.

01:28:07.000 And then also Congresswoman Nancy Mace has a bipartisan bill called the PAW Act.

01:28:11.000 That would cut funding for the animal experiments, the dog and cat experiments that are the most painful categories of dog and cat experiments.

01:28:18.000 And we've been able to be able to make a lot of great progress through spending bills every year, tightening the noose around these programs and slowly choking them out.

01:28:27.000 And we've seen things that started under Trump's first administration.

01:28:30.000 The VA, for example, has eliminated all of its dog and cat testing as a result of legislation that Trump signed into law back in 2018.

01:28:38.000 The USDA is completely out of the dog and cat testing business, but we have the NIH, which is public enemy number one when it comes to animal testing, that is still holding on, has not made any reforms to reduce the use of dogs and cats in experiments, and is still funding the lion's share of that abuse.

01:28:56.000 So really, we do need...

01:28:58.000 Action from Dr. Bhattacharya to fix that problem.

01:29:01.000 You know, I love the members of Congress we work with, but the truth is that less than 1% of bills that get introduced are going to make it to the president's desk.

01:29:08.000 And we can, in this administration that is so bold and looking to make reforms and looking to make America great for animals, that we can have them, with the stroke of a pen to your point, signing executive orders or directives from agency heads saying that no more. 0.62

01:29:24.000 Today this stops.

01:29:26.000 Who are some of the big lobbyists or lobby firms or groups that are funding members of Congress to block them from supporting initiatives that would cut back on animal testing?

01:29:39.000 Obviously, you have the manufacturers of all the vaccines that donated to members of Congress to support the vaccines and the mask mandates and all of that nonsense that we were subjected to during COVID.

01:29:52.000 Are there entities out there that are specifically lobbying Yeah, so there are a few organizations that are specifically set up to lobby for more animal testing and against any reforms that would reduce animal testing,

01:30:21.000 allow the retirement of animals even.

01:30:23.000 There's a group called...

01:30:24.000 A misleadingly named group called Americans for Medical Progress, which is one of these groups that lobbies for more animal testing and against any reforms.

01:30:33.000 They want to keep dogs and cats in laboratories.

01:30:35.000 There's receipts to prove that.

01:30:37.000 Lots of letters they've sent to the Appropriations Committee saying,"We hope you don't cut funding for dog and cat testing." The Foundation for Biomedical Research is another one, also an organization.

01:30:48.000 Explicitly dedicated to defending and protecting and continuing animal experimentation.

01:30:54.000 And then you have all types of other organizations that have broader agendas but work on this issue.

01:30:59.000 So in 2018 when Trump's EPA said we're going to phase out all animal testing by 2035 with a major drawdown of 30% by 2025 this year.

01:31:09.000 That was back in 2019.

01:31:12.000 A few months after Biden took office in 2021.

01:31:16.000 They killed that plan.

01:31:17.000 And they killed that plan because environmental groups came to them and said, for environmental justice reasons, we want you to not only kill the Trump plan to phase out animal testing, but we need you to do more of it to protect vulnerable communities.

01:31:32.000 They think that fattening up...

01:31:35.000 Mice and rats with unhealthy diets, putting them in cages, turning the heat up and pumping wildfire smoke into the cages is actually going to help people and protect"vulnerable communities" in the name of environmental justice.

01:31:47.000 And that's who was lobbying against reforms to reduce animal justice.

01:31:51.000 How does that protect anybody?

01:31:52.000 It doesn't.

01:31:53.000 It only creates jobs. 0.91

01:31:55.000 Taxpayer-funded animal testing is essentially turned into a jobs program.

01:31:59.000 The NIH has turned into a jobs program for mad scientists who are otherwise unemployable, who couldn't get a job anywhere else.

01:32:05.000 No one else is going to pay them to do this, except if you're forcing taxpayers to do it against their will and they don't have a choice.

01:32:11.000 But we have to pay our taxes, but we don't have to tolerate.

01:32:14.000 This type of bureaucracy and these bureaucrats in Washington who are wasting our money to torture pets and experiments. 1.00

01:32:20.000 We don't—and under Trump, we're seeing that start to come to an end.

01:32:24.000 Which is great.

01:32:25.000 But environmental groups.

01:32:27.000 We have these pro-animal testing lobby groups.

01:32:29.000 We have environmental groups that are lobbying for more animal testing.

01:32:32.000 And then you have colleges, universities, professors, unions, all these people who are raking in the billions of dollars every year for animal testing.

01:32:40.000 You know, one of the things that the Trump administration did so far that pissed off the colleges and universities almost more than anything is they started to cap the amount of what is called indirect costs.

01:32:50.000 There's basically a slush fund that comes with every grant.

01:32:52.000 And some universities and colleges are getting 100% on top of the actual research money to just go into an administrative slush fund.

01:32:59.000 So they're making billions off of this.

01:33:00.000 And so if animal testing gets put on the chopping block where we see a dog, they see a dollar sign, they don't want anything to disrupt the flow of money into the college and university.

01:33:10.000 They don't care if it's for animal testing or whatever.

01:33:12.000 So they're the ones also on Capitol Hill lobbying against a lot of these reforms, against any of these reforms to reduce animal testing because they want the money to keep flowing.

01:33:22.000 You know, there's a lot of arguments that, oh, you know, we need animal testing so that we could see how humans are going to interact with drugs or how humans are going to, you know, be able to find a cure for cancer or diabetes or, you know, all these diseases that they tell us we need animal testing for.

01:33:39.000 What's the real science behind that?

01:33:41.000 Do we need animal testing to develop a cure for cancer?

01:33:45.000 Do we need animal testing to develop a cure for things like diabetes or to find out the adverse effects or the side effects or any types of consequences of taking pharmaceuticals?

01:33:58.000 Because a lot of people say that if we don't have animals to test on, then, well, we're not going to be able to identify the adverse effects or develop cures.

01:34:09.000 There's also people who argue that the rate at which, you know, or I guess not the rate at which, but I guess the similarities between a human body and an animal body are so vastly different that there really isn't any kind of scientific justification for these experiments because the way that...

01:34:32.000 A mouse would react to an experiment is completely different than the way a human being would react to it.

01:34:37.000 So what is the real science behind it and why are they testing on dogs to find out how a human being would react to a drug overdose?

01:34:45.000 What is the similarity between the DNA of a dog and the DNA of a human being?

01:34:51.000 I think you made the argument just as well as I could. 0.94

01:34:54.000 I mean, it's basically fear-mongering bullshit to suggest that we have to poison puppies or torture any other animal to get cures for humans.

01:35:00.000 And actually, if you look at the data from the NIH, from the Defense Department, from these other agencies that fund animal testing, the FDA included, you see that 90%, 95%, 99% of drugs in some cases are failing. 0.89

01:35:13.000 in humans after being safe and effective in animal tests because they either don't work or they're dangerous in people because animal tests don't actually tell you what's going to happen in a human being.

01:35:22.000 So that's why there's this big shift to looking at other technology. 0.59

01:35:26.000 And of course, this is putting aside all the stupid animal experiments that have no purpose at all, like putting fish... 0.97

01:35:32.000 Shrimp and other animals on treadmills and other nonsense that the government's doing. 0.72

01:35:36.000 But in the case of drug discovery and stuff, we work with pharmaceutical companies who are constantly lamenting the fact that the federal government, the FDA in particular, or the EPA, is forcing them to experiment on dogs and other animals when it's actually not providing them any useful data about what a drug is going to do in humans.

01:35:53.000 And there was a clip.

01:35:54.000 From the other day of RFK at a cabinet meeting where he was talking about the new FDA initiative to reduce and eliminate animal testing.

01:36:01.000 He talked about how they have found when they looked at the data that things like AI and other modern technologies are actually more accurate at predicting what's going to happen in humans, technologies based on human biology, because, you know, mice and rats aren't furry little humans.

01:36:15.000 We evolved tens of millions of years ago, and you can't even translate what happens in a mouse to a rat and vice versa. 0.84

01:36:23.000 So to suggest that that's going to tell us anything about humans is just completely ridiculous.

01:36:27.000 The reason it continues is bureaucracy, institutional inertia, and because it's big business and a lot of people are getting rich doing it, just like so many other problems we have in this country.

01:36:38.000 So what happens to these animals either once they're done being experimented on or once they're rescued from a lot of these labs?

01:36:46.000 When these labs get shut down or when they don't find a use for the animals anymore, what's going to happen to these 300 beagles a week that are being tested on by the CCP after they're shipped from breeder locations here in the United States of America to labs in China?

01:37:02.000 Are there animal organizations out there that are rescuing dogs and cats?

01:37:07.000 And primates from these laboratories?

01:37:11.000 And if so, how do people watching help these animals?

01:37:14.000 Are they up for adoption?

01:37:15.000 Where do these poor animals go once they're done being abused if they survive? 0.79

01:37:20.000 Right. So best case scenario, when we start to defund and shut down these laboratories, that the animals are healthy enough to come out alive.

01:37:26.000 And then there's the challenge of finding somewhere for them to go.

01:37:28.000 And fortunately, we've been able to enact policies under the first Trump administration at four different federal agencies.

01:37:34.000 To allow the retirement of lab animals and they have some kind of the infrastructure to do that and to partner with organizations.

01:37:41.000 One of the great groups we work with that has rescued thousands of beagles from Fauci's dog supplier, one of them that was shut down a few years ago, an organization called the Kindness Ranch in Wyoming takes in dozens of beagles.

01:37:54.000 What is it called?

01:37:55.000 It's called the Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary.

01:37:58.000 It's based in Wyoming, nonprofit, and they are explicitly and strictly Dedicated to rescuing animals from laboratories.

01:38:07.000 And they work with labs all across the country and around the world.

01:38:11.000 They rescue animals from China.

01:38:13.000 They've gotten animals from labs and meat markets in China, just like you.

01:38:17.000 And they bring these dogs to their...

01:38:20.000 They have a massive ranch in Wyoming.

01:38:22.000 The dogs and cats live with...

01:38:25.000 The employees in the houses all over this property to get rehabilitated, socialized, because these dogs only, they've known tiny, barren metal cages with wire floors and fear their whole lives.

01:38:39.000 And anytime anyone comes in a room, it's going to be to hurt them.

01:38:42.000 And coming out of a laboratory, they've never seen the light of day.

01:38:45.000 They've never felt the wind.

01:38:46.000 They've never seen the sun.

01:38:47.000 They've never felt grass underneath their feet.

01:38:49.000 They've never used stairs.

01:38:50.000 They've never touched carpet.

01:38:51.000 And they have to get accustomed, not only to trust people to just be You know, comfortable with how the world actually is outside of a laboratory.

01:38:59.000 And The Kindness Ranch brings them in, socializes them, gets them comfortable with that, and then finds them loving homes.

01:39:05.000 So we partner with The Kindness Ranch to get animals out of laboratories regularly and get them into loving homes.

01:39:10.000 And we actually just shut down a Fauci-funded cat lab out at UC University of California, Davis last year.

01:39:17.000 And they shut down their entire breeding operation as a result of closing this experiment that we exposed.

01:39:22.000 30 cats came out of there.

01:39:24.000 Kindness Ranch rehomed them.

01:39:26.000 And one of them actually lives with our president now, Marigold, a 12-year-old cat who spent her entire life.

01:39:30.000 Oh, my God, that's so nice.

01:39:31.000 They have a website we could show people live on the show right now.

01:39:34.000 Maybe people can go rescue.

01:39:36.000 Rescue a dog or a cat.

01:39:37.000 Yeah, go to Kinders Ranch.

01:39:38.000 I just talked to them the other day, and they have dozens of dogs and cats from laboratories who have just gotten there in the last couple months and need adoptive homes.

01:39:46.000 And we're hoping to bring more and more animals to them as the Trump administration cracks down and shuts down some of these laboratories.

01:39:53.000 Yeah, that's the website for the Kinders Ranch.

01:39:54.000 Let's go to the website.

01:39:55.000 We can look at it right now while you're live on air.

01:39:57.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:39:57.000 Let's see what they have.

01:39:59.000 Oh, maybe I should drive to Wyoming.

01:40:01.000 Maybe I should go get a...

01:40:02.000 Maybe I could go, like, foster a beagle.

01:40:05.000 That'd be so cool.

01:40:06.000 That's exactly what I need as a fifth dog.

01:40:10.000 But, yeah, but these dogs from laboratories, they are so grateful for the kindness and compassion of patient human beings.

01:40:17.000 They make great horses, pigs, cows.

01:40:20.000 They take any, bunnies.

01:40:22.000 And these were all lab animals?

01:40:24.000 These were all animals that were being tested on in labs?

01:40:27.000 Like, every single animal that they have came from a lab?

01:40:29.000 Yeah, different types of experimentation.

01:40:31.000 Some of it's like agriculture production experimentation, some of it's chemical testing, some of it's drug testing, some of it's invasive biomedical experimentation.

01:40:41.000 Let's go to the dropdown.

01:40:41.000 Let's see what they have.

01:40:42.000 Let's see.

01:40:43.000 Adopt. Let's go to their adopt thing. 0.89

01:40:44.000 Let's see.

01:40:45.000 Thanks for considering adopting a companion animal.

01:40:49.000 Fill out this form.

01:40:50.000 Do they have a list where you can see the dogs that are available for adoption?

01:40:54.000 I don't know.

01:40:56.000 But I know they've got a long list of adopters.

01:40:59.000 Go back up.

01:40:59.000 Go back up to their thing.

01:41:01.000 Let's see what they have.

01:41:04.000 Oh. Adoptable friends.

01:41:07.000 Oh, there you go.

01:41:08.000 Those are all beagles from laboratories.

01:41:09.000 If you're watching and you want a dog, they're so cute and they're all beagles.

01:41:13.000 Oh my gosh.

01:41:14.000 Yeah. Kindness Ranch has vans that they drive around the country and work with laboratories.

01:41:19.000 They pick up these dogs.

01:41:21.000 The president of this organization has a big staff, but he personally goes and picks these dogs up.

01:41:26.000 And drives them back to the sanctuary.

01:41:28.000 And then they have a whole team of people who helps rehabilitate them, socialize them, and make sure they're a good fit for wherever the potential adopters are.

01:41:36.000 So again, we've been working to get as many lab animal retirement policies in place inside these federal agencies and then connecting Cognus Ranch with the relevant folks at these agencies to let them know, listen, when you shut these labs down, here's where the animals can go.

01:41:51.000 And not only do they take the animals.

01:41:54.000 They show up, no questions asked, no cost to taxpayers.

01:41:57.000 So Kindness Ranch completely bears the burden of taking in these animals, rehabilitating them.

01:42:02.000 How many animals do they have at the ranch?

01:42:03.000 Keep on showing the list if you don't mind.

01:42:05.000 I want my producer to keep on scrolling.

01:42:07.000 I want to go through.

01:42:07.000 Keep on scrolling.

01:42:08.000 I don't know how many they have regularly, but it's probably in the hundreds when you count all the little ones and big ones and farmed animals and horses who are living outside.

01:42:19.000 Yeah, two of the animals from the Fauci cat lab came to us.

01:42:22.000 Two white coat staff through the Kindness Ranch.

01:42:26.000 Two of our employees adopted two of those cats.

01:42:28.000 And you could foster them too?

01:42:30.000 Or do you have to adopt them?

01:42:31.000 I think so.

01:42:32.000 I think they have a foster program.

01:42:34.000 I'm not sure.

01:42:35.000 But this is the happy ending we want to get for as many animals as possible.

01:42:39.000 We've been working on legislation that would be government-wide legislation requiring lab animal adoption to be an option in all of these laboratories.

01:42:48.000 Actually, these pro-animal testing groups have opposed that legislation.

01:42:51.000 They don't even want animals coming out alive in many cases.

01:42:56.000 But again, Trump is not beholden to the same types of special interests that previous presidents and agency heads have been, which is what's so refreshing and exciting for us, for taxpayers and animals, is that we have someone who has the interest,

01:43:12.000 track record, and political will to actually shut these laboratories down.

01:43:16.000 And be proud of that.

01:43:18.000 And we saw him do it the first time around, from 2016 to early 2021, and we're excited he's picking up where he's left off.

01:43:26.000 Again, we're seeing good stuff at FDA, EPA, NIH, Doge has been cutting transgender grants, some of the grants to China.

01:43:34.000 Committing to big sweeping changes at EPA and FDA.

01:43:37.000 Have you been able to speak to anybody at the Trump administration about this and these NIH grants and all the funding of the labs?

01:43:45.000 Have you been able to talk to anybody in the second Trump administration about this?

01:43:49.000 Yeah, we're in touch directly with people at these agencies, letting them know how we can be helpful, working with them, giving them line item lists.

01:44:00.000 This is so bizarre, though.

01:44:01.000 If they are aware of this, why are they not shutting it down?

01:44:04.000 If the Trump administration is aware of it, why is this not ended yet?

01:44:10.000 I just think it's a little bizarre.

01:44:12.000 Don't you think it's a bit bizarre?

01:44:14.000 Listen, I don't even presume to begin to know what's going on in the White House and the administration right now.

01:44:21.000 I know there's a lot of moving parts.

01:44:22.000 There's a lot of ways to clean up.

01:44:24.000 But I do know that these are easy wins.

01:44:28.000 A lot of people are going to be happy about that are saving animals' lives, are cutting waste, are widely supported initiatives, and that the Trump administration, the first family has supported.

01:44:41.000 Don Jr. has been a big fan and supporter of ours, sharing our content about the China Dog Lab investigation we did.

01:44:47.000 Eric, Laura, the first family has been great.

01:44:50.000 You know, many people in the administration from EPA.

01:44:54.000 Administrator Lee Zeldin.

01:44:56.000 We worked closely with him when he was a member of Congress to end dog testing at the VA, which, you know, something Trump led on.

01:45:02.000 So there's a lot of people who are on the right side of this issue.

01:45:05.000 RFK and Marty Makkari at the FDA have been supporters of ours and said the right things.

01:45:10.000 I know Marty is a major critic of dog testing and wants to get it cut.

01:45:14.000 And what's great is one of the leading consumers of dogs in this country, dogs in laboratories, is FDA-mandated testing.

01:45:22.000 And Dr. Makkari...

01:45:23.000 Is now leading an initiative to cut those mandates.

01:45:27.000 So we really stand to save a lot of money, a lot of animals.

01:45:33.000 And do we want to be a country that's using taxpayers' money against their will to torture pets, who most people consider family members?

01:45:41.000 I mean, I think it's really just a stain on humanity, a stain on this country that in 2025, we are still torturing dogs and cats in experiments.

01:45:49.000 That are completely useless and hardly painful and cruel.

01:45:53.000 And I think everyone can agree this is something that should end up on the chopping block sooner rather than later.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, sooner rather than later indeed.

01:46:00.000 And so that's, you know, that's my main concern here is why has this not been done yet?

01:46:05.000 So hopefully with this episode, we'll get it all clipped and we'll get it posted and we can have our own little, you know, activist campaign to get Dr. Bhattacharya and the Trump administration to start ending a lot of these grants because it just seems like a no-brainer.

01:46:20.000 I mean, it's really that easy.

01:46:21.000 We see executive orders get signed.

01:46:23.000 From the Oval Office every single day.

01:46:25.000 So perhaps this is the next executive order that needs to be signed or Dr. Bhattacharya just needs to crack down and tell them no more money.

01:46:34.000 No more money is going to the CCS.

01:46:36.000 CCP to torture these innocent dogs.

01:46:39.000 Or maybe you need to get Sean Duffy involved, the transportation secretary.

01:46:42.000 How about we don't allow for any more flights to leave our country that are transporting innocent dogs from laboratories to laboratories abroad in China for the purpose of animal testing?

01:46:56.000 Have you talked to Sean Duffy about this?

01:46:58.000 And having the Department of Transportation crack down on the flights that transport these dogs?

01:47:04.000 No, we haven't, but that's a great idea in terms of crippling the, you know, making it impossible for some of these experiments to happen.

01:47:10.000 They shouldn't allow them to transport them.

01:47:11.000 They shouldn't allow them to transport these animals.

01:47:13.000 I mean, how are they allowed to transport?

01:47:15.000 I imagine that they have to have special charters or special planes because I know when I rescued my dog from China, the cost of the dog... 0.97

01:47:24.000 The $1,500 that I paid for my dog was the cost of the ticket to fly the dog from China to the United States, and they had to actually get a special air carrier to transport hundreds of dogs from China meat markets to the United States of America.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:47:41.000 No, I think there's a lot of creative solutions you could have.

01:47:43.000 I mean, we're focused on the money because I guarantee you that if you cut the funding for these programs...

01:47:51.000 Most, if not all of them, will never start up again because no private organization is going to ever fund some of this stuff like injecting puppies with cocaine or debarking beagles or whatever the case may be.

01:48:01.000 They're just not going to pay for it.

01:48:03.000 There's not a market for it.

01:48:04.000 The government is the market maker when it comes to testing on animals, especially dogs and cats.

01:48:08.000 It's not something anyone wants to see happen.

01:48:12.000 Pharmaceutical companies and chemical companies reluctantly do it because the government forces them to and would love not to.

01:48:18.000 And that's why we need to see some reforms, too, in terms of this outdated red tape that's forcing private companies to torture animals unnecessarily, which is incredibly expensive and useless to them.

01:48:27.000 But they do it because bureaucrats in the NIH and FDA and EPA want to see a box checked because that's what they've always done.

01:48:34.000 And they don't want to think about solving problems in a new way.

01:48:39.000 It is frustrating, but I'll tell you, I've been doing this for 20 years.

01:48:42.000 I never thought I would see the day where we would have someone in the White House and heading these agencies that were really actually doing the work, the very hard work.

01:48:57.000 Of isolating and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse of these, you know, especially when it comes to animal testing.

01:49:01.000 And we're already seeing it happen.

01:49:03.000 Again, first hundred days, a lot's gone on.

01:49:05.000 A lot of good stuff's gone on.

01:49:06.000 A lot more could happen.

01:49:07.000 Maybe in the next five days we'll see the dog and cat experiments get defunded.

01:49:11.000 We've got to get Trump a beagle.

01:49:12.000 He doesn't have a White House dog.

01:49:14.000 We've got to get Trump a beagle.

01:49:16.000 We've got lots of rescue beagles in the D.C. area who would love to come meet him.

01:49:20.000 We've met MTG and Nancy Mace and Paul Gosar and lots of members brought up these beagle survivors from the laboratories, including from Fauci's labs, so they could put a face to the issue and let them know what we're fighting for here.

01:49:32.000 It's fighting for taxpayers.

01:49:35.000 It's fighting for animals.

01:49:36.000 It's really fighting for the America we want to see.

01:49:39.000 That's not, you know, torturing pets and useless experiments.

01:49:41.000 I would love to come out.

01:49:42.000 I would love to come to Washington, D.C. and come meet some of these dogs and film some videos to raise awareness.

01:49:48.000 You just say when and where, I'll be there.

01:49:50.000 Yeah, we can arrange it.

01:49:52.000 How is your organization funded?

01:49:54.000 Because you're doing fantastic work, and I want to make sure that people know how they can support white coat waste because you're doing incredible work helping save these animals that are being tortured in taxpayer-funded experiments. 0.99

01:50:07.000 And I think that people watching, if they can't adopt a dog, then they should support your organization so that you can help rescue and continue exposing a lot of these cruel and unethical animal.

01:50:21.000 Experiments that are taking place on taxpayer dimes.

01:50:23.000 So where do people go to support your work financially?

01:50:27.000 Yes, so we're a small nonprofit.

01:50:29.000 We have a staff of about a dozen folks.

01:50:32.000 Like you said, some of us are in D.C., but we're all across the country.

01:50:36.000 We don't have galas.

01:50:37.000 We don't have fancy fundraisers.

01:50:39.000 We don't take any money from the government.

01:50:41.000 We didn't take COVID bailout loans like a lot of the big establishment groups did.

01:50:45.000 We walk the walk and talk the talk.

01:50:46.000 We think the government's the problem, and we want them to stay out of our business, too.

01:50:50.000 So that means that 80% of our revenue comes from grassroots activists, small-dollar donations from people across the country, really across the political spectrum, who just don't want to see their tax dollars wasted on torturing animals and pets in cruel experiments.

01:51:05.000 So if you visit WhiteCoatWaste.org, you can sign up for our mailing list, you can make a donation, and you can follow us@WhiteCoatWaste on all the social media platforms to follow our work.

01:51:16.000 See how you can donate or get involved.

01:51:20.000 Contact Congress.

01:51:21.000 I see you've got one of our donation pages up there.

01:51:23.000 Some people give a couple dollars a month.

01:51:25.000 Some people give a one-time donation.

01:51:27.000 But that's really how we survive.

01:51:29.000 We don't have a lot of big donors with deep pockets who are keeping the lights on for us.

01:51:34.000 We really do rely on grassroots activists who can just give a little bit at a time to support the important work we're doing.

01:51:41.000 And we're very grateful for their support.

01:51:44.000 We work with everyone across the political spectrum, from the Freedom Caucus to the Squad.

01:51:50.000 We really do try to unite people around this issue.

01:51:52.000 Now, things have changed in the last few years post-COVID.

01:51:57.000 To your point, at the beginning of the show, Republicans are running the show right now when it comes to ending animal testing.

01:52:03.000 Both the House, Senate, and White House, we've never seen the type of progress we've seen.

01:52:07.000 And it is all...

01:52:08.000 GOP-led.

01:52:09.000 Some of it's bipartisan, but it is all GOP-led.

01:52:12.000 They're the ones making this a priority, leaning into it.

01:52:14.000 I mean, Donald Trump is literally the first president in history, certainly in a State of the Union address, but maybe in general, whoever talked about ending wasteful animal experimentation.

01:52:24.000 And they mocked him for it.

01:52:26.000 Bill Barr, who I'm actually suing, he decided to mock this on his program.

01:52:30.000 He was making fun of President Trump and actually said that it wasn't true that they were doing experiments on mice to see if they were transgender.

01:52:39.000 Oh yeah, there was a massive...

01:52:41.000 This information campaign launched because they realized this was an Achilles heel for the NIH.

01:52:46.000 NIH's reputation is already in the shitter.

01:52:49.000 And now you find out that they spent a quarter billion dollars, as I testified to the House Oversight Committee in February, a quarter billion dollars creating transgender animals and abusing them in experiments. 1.00

01:52:59.000 So the left wing came out.

01:53:01.000 Big mainstream media came out saying this was fake news.

01:53:03.000 CNN had to issue a correction.

01:53:05.000 Forbes had to issue a correction.

01:53:06.000 And we've seen a lot of articles coming out with the receipts.

01:53:10.000 Gateway pundit.

01:53:11.000 Lots of folks publishing their receipts and showing, oh, it's worse than you even thought.

01:53:16.000 You know, the numbers of animals, they were using tens of thousands of animals in some of these experiments where they're doing transgender surgeries on them, giving these hormone therapies. 0.95

01:53:24.000 So yeah, Trump was on the State Union, a couple days later brought it up again on Maria Bartiromo's show on Fox.

01:53:30.000 And of course, he famously, five years ago, we're very grateful and proud that he went on TV and cut the grant to the Wuhan Animal Lab.

01:53:37.000 You know, it was probably the greatest biomedical catastrophe in history that was caused by taxpayer-funded animal experiments, approved, greenlit, and covered up by Dr. Fauci.

01:53:46.000 So animal experiments were behind the pandemic.

01:53:48.000 It's an accident waiting to happen if we're going to import that problem here to the U.S. and do that type of research.

01:53:54.000 I don't think it was an accident.

01:53:57.000 Yeah, and we'll never, you know, and I don't think we're ever going to know because of the cover-up of the government.

01:54:01.000 I don't think that was an accident.

01:54:03.000 I don't think things like that happen on accident.

01:54:06.000 Well, we have these documents that came out that Joni Ernst helped pry from the DOD that came out, I think it was last week, showing that in October 2019, U.S. service members were sick with COVID-like symptoms after going to the military Olympic Games in Wuhan,

01:54:24.000 China, before the pandemic broke out.

01:54:26.000 So I've definitely seen commentators suggesting that that would be a great way to spread a virus around the world, is where all these militaries come.

01:54:34.000 To China in one place and then go back home and bring the virus with them. 1.00

01:54:39.000 So, unfortunately, this is why you don't fund...

01:54:42.000 Well, and they also originally said it came from the wet markets where, you know, they abuse animals.

01:54:46.000 I mean, the wet markets are called wet markets because they have all these animals and a lot of them are alive.

01:54:53.000 In these markets, and they call them, from my understanding, wet markets, because they literally will, like, kill these animals in boiling hot water at the wet markets, so there's water all over the floor.

01:55:04.000 I mean, they have different theories about why they're called wet markets, but from my understanding, they have all these animals, and they, like, drown them to death.

01:55:11.000 Like, that's how they drown a lot of the dogs that they sell, and they kill for the purposes of eating them. 0.56

01:55:17.000 They'll, like, drown them in boiling hot water, or they'll...

01:55:21.000 I don't know.

01:55:22.000 You've seen videos online.

01:55:23.000 You can look it up.

01:55:24.000 Just look at the way that they will eat frogs. 0.95

01:55:27.000 It's a delicacy, I guess.

01:55:28.000 And they'll have a frog that's alive, and then they pour boiling hot water over it, and then they're cooking it, and they're eating it at the same time while the frog is, you know, boiling to death.

01:55:38.000 And they're, I don't know, for some reason, it sounds crazy with the way I'm describing it, but you can go online and you can see the videos of them and the way that they kill these animals.

01:55:48.000 And they use boiling hot water to torture these animals.

01:55:51.000 And some of the people are eating them, these raw animals, out in the open.

01:55:55.000 And that's originally how they said that this virus spread.

01:55:58.000 They said that it came from, you know, snakes and bats and rats in these wet markets in Wuhan.

01:56:03.000 But that's where they torture animals. 0.97

01:56:06.000 They torture them there.

01:56:07.000 They drown these animals to death.

01:56:09.000 I mean, there's all types of ways that they're killing these animals, but one of the most common ways that I've heard from people who have been there and people who have witnessed it, or you can watch the videos online, is they drown the animals.

01:56:22.000 Yeah, I've seen those videos too.

01:56:23.000 And remember, the U.S. government was also paying for that.

01:56:27.000 This USDA laboratory was spending money to fly staff to the wet markets, buy dog and cat meat.

01:56:33.000 Fresh at the wet markets, fly it back in their carry-on luggage.

01:56:36.000 And it's fresh and it really is fresh.

01:56:39.000 They had the dogs there.

01:56:40.000 They're alive and they killed the dogs.

01:56:43.000 So we were paying the Wuhan lab.

01:56:45.000 We were customers at the wet markets unwittingly, U.S. taxpayers were.

01:56:49.000 So this is a recipe for disaster.

01:56:51.000 This is why you don't send tax dollars to an authoritarian country on the other side of the world that's an adversarial nation that wants to destroy the United States.

01:57:00.000 Not only abuses animals in experiments, but you mentioned earlier, there's a lot of reports that they eat the animals they infect and kill in these experiments also, and they end up in the wet markets.

01:57:09.000 So I don't know why we would want to have any part in that.

01:57:14.000 Clearly, with the case of the gain-of-function research...

01:57:17.000 That's how my dog was rescued.

01:57:19.000 My dog apparently was rescued by an activist.

01:57:21.000 I think they, like, kidnapped these dogs that are supposed to be sold, from my understanding.

01:57:27.000 They kidnap these dogs that are supposed to be sold in the meat markets, and they rescue them, and then they find people in America that want to buy them.

01:57:34.000 And they might have been kidnapped in the first place as someone's pet, and then ended up at the wet market.

01:57:41.000 So that's probably the best thing.

01:57:42.000 I don't consider kidnapping because my dog is rescued.

01:57:45.000 Otherwise, my dog would have been Kung Pao Mecca. 0.95

01:57:48.000 Her name is Mecca, so she would have been Kung Pao Mecca. 1.00

01:57:51.000 And now she gets to sleep with me every single night. 0.96

01:57:57.000 It's really gross. 0.98

01:57:57.000 It's really disgusting. 0.98

01:57:58.000 My dog was emaciated when I got my dog.

01:58:01.000 She's like 10 pounds. 1.00

01:58:02.000 I've had steaks that weigh more than my dog.

01:58:06.000 I don't even understand how they would eat a little tiny poodle like that.

01:58:11.000 It's really barbaric, the things that they do.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, an insult to injury to all of this is we're actually suing the NIH right now because for labs in China and other foreign countries, the NIH completely exempts them from any oversight that's required of labs in the U.S. So if you're a foreign laboratory, this is why a lot of the money gets shipped overseas to places like that being a lab in Tunisia that was putting the dogs in the cages with the biting flies or the gain-of-function experiments on...

01:58:38.000 That's why a lot of it gets offshored because it wouldn't be allowed here and there's absolutely no oversight of it.

01:58:44.000 Fauci and the NIH have said in 40 years of funding foreign labs they've never visited a single laboratory once to inspect it.

01:58:51.000 The GAO came out with a report a couple years ago.

01:58:53.000 So we're suing the NIH over this illegal loophole because not only shipping Billions, literally billions of dollars to animal laboratories in China and other foreign countries.

01:59:01.000 We have literally no idea how it's being spent, what's happening to the animals, or whether any biosafety precautions are taking place.

01:59:08.000 And that's how you end up with what happened in Wuhan.

01:59:13.000 Absolutely horrific.

01:59:14.000 Any last comments or any last thoughts that you want to share with the viewers?

01:59:18.000 I know you've been on for an hour.

01:59:20.000 Thanks so much for your time.

01:59:21.000 But I just felt that this was so compelling and it's so disturbing that people needed to see where their taxpayer money was going today on tax day.

01:59:30.000 But is there anything else that you want to close with or inform our viewers about?

01:59:34.000 We have about 40,000 people watching live right now on X. So hopefully a lot of these people will contact Dr. Bhattacharya and some of these Trump

01:59:45.000 officials to get some of this grant money.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, I would just say that, again, the U.S. government is public enemy number one when it comes to animal testing.

01:59:55.000 In your social media feed, you may see things about product testing, cosmetics testing.

01:59:59.000 That's essentially not a problem anymore.

02:00:01.000 It's almost all done.

02:00:03.000 The biggest problem now is government-funded testing and government-mandated testing on animals, both in the United States and abroad.

02:00:08.000 So if you want to fix that problem, if you want to save puppies and kittens and monkeys and bunnies and other animals from being tortured in government laboratories, follow White Coat at White Coat Waste on those social media platforms and visit our website, whitecoatwaste.org.

02:00:22.000 We obviously would appreciate any generous donation you can give, but even if you can't or don't choose to, we'd love for you to join the fight.

02:00:32.000 Write to Congress, write to the President.

02:00:34.000 It's a non-profit, so it's tax-deductible, right, when people donate to you?

02:00:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:00:39.000 We're a 501c3 nonprofit.

02:00:41.000 And again, almost entirely supported by grassroots activists, grassroots donations.

02:00:46.000 And we, again, we're not spending, we don't have big ticket gals and things like that.

02:00:50.000 The money is going right into the programs to pay my salary, pay other people's salary on the staff to do research and to run these campaigns to, we say, FED, find, expose, and defund wasteful government animal experiments.

02:01:05.000 Well, it's very honorable work that you're doing.

02:01:07.000 Saving our furry friends from all of these evil math scientists who are trying to harm and abuse animals.

02:01:14.000 So, Justin, thank you so much for coming on tonight.

02:01:16.000 I really appreciate it.

02:01:17.000 And hopefully we can create a firestorm that will reach the desk of President Donald Trump.

02:01:23.000 Let's do it.

02:01:25.000 Thanks, Justin.

02:01:26.000 I really appreciate it.

02:01:27.000 Thanks, Laura.

02:01:31.000 This is very disturbing.

02:01:34.000 I've been in talks with Justin for the last few weeks now, trying to get him on the show.

02:01:39.000 And, you know, I was out last week.

02:01:41.000 I had to travel to California for my deposition of Bill Maher.

02:01:44.000 And then the week before that, of course, I was at the Oval Office meeting with President Trump.

02:01:49.000 I mean, everybody saw that news story.

02:01:51.000 But this is really disturbing.

02:01:52.000 And I think that people need to know about this, especially today of all days, tax day, when their tax money is going towards paying and funding for these You know, horrific animal experiments.

02:02:06.000 It really honestly disturbs me to my core.

02:02:12.000 Let's see what people are saying in the chat.

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02:04:19.000 I want to hear what you have to say about these horrific animal experiments.

02:04:26.000 want to hear what you have to say about these animals.

02:04:30.000 Laura, thank you for being such a strong voice for the cats and dogs.

02:04:34.000 Animal cruelty and abuse must stop.

02:04:40.000 Tavana said disturbing but extremely informative.

02:04:43.000 Thank you, Laura.

02:04:45.000 Thank you, Laura.

02:04:45.000 Thank you.

02:04:52.000 Hmm. It's so awful, isn't it?

02:04:56.000 We definitely need to contact Dr. Bhattacharya.

02:04:59.000 We need to contact Dr. Bhattacharya and the Trump administration and let them know that these grants need to end. 0.96

02:05:06.000 And again, I'm not trying to attack anybody, but it's just kind of bullshit at the end of the day.

02:05:12.000 If you're the director of the NIH and you oppose animal testing, then use your power as the director of the NIH and crack down on animal testing. 0.87

02:05:21.000 It's that simple.

02:05:23.000 I don't really understand.

02:05:25.000 How this has to be complicated.

02:05:27.000 If you're the director of the NIH, sign a directive banning all future funds going towards animal testing.

02:05:34.000 Cancel all of the grants going to the CCP for their beagle tests.

02:05:38.000 It's that simple.

02:05:40.000 It's that simple.

02:05:47.000 We're definitely going to be following this in the coming days and also the coming weeks demanding accountability at the NIH.

02:05:56.000 Moving on, though.

02:06:00.000 President Trump recently met with Nayib Bukele, the fantastic president of El Salvador, at the White House.

02:06:07.000 We have some clips, actually.

02:06:09.000 President Bukele is somebody that I admire.

02:06:12.000 You know, I went to El Salvador in 2021.

02:06:14.000 That's where I was during January 6th.

02:06:17.000 A lot of people are like, oh, you know, were you at the Capitol on G6?

02:06:20.000 No, I was out of the country.

02:06:21.000 I was actually in El Salvador during January 6th.

02:06:24.000 And, you know, he's a transformative leader.

02:06:26.000 He really has done so much to transform El Salvador from a third world country, one of the most dangerous countries in the world, the country with the highest homicide rate, to now becoming a leader in...

02:06:38.000 Cracking down on illegal immigration, Bitcoin innovation, technological innovation, the first country in the world to accept Bitcoin as legal tender, really doing fantastic work, and also working with the Trump administration to allow for the deportation of violent criminal illegal aliens in MS-13 and Train de Aragua.

02:06:59.000 So let's go ahead and play some of these clips of President Trump welcoming President Bukele to the White House for his meeting this week.

02:07:07.000 Pretty close.

02:07:12.000 Ready shut.

02:07:14.000 Great face.

02:07:16.000 Forward march.

02:07:17.000 President Trump, your message to Christians during the Swarling League, sir.

02:07:21.000 You got a message for Christians, sir. 0.99

02:07:24.000 During the Swarling League.

02:07:29.000 you.

02:07:29.000 We have some other videos too.

02:07:32.000 Bukele telling President Trump that he has 350 million people to liberate.

02:07:37.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.

02:07:39.000 And we're very eager to help.

02:07:41.000 We know that you have a crime problem, a terrorism problem that you need help with.

02:07:49.000 And we're a small country, but if we can help, we can do it.

02:07:52.000 And we actually turned the murder capital of the world, that was the journalist called it, murder capital of the world, into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere.

02:08:04.000 Sometimes they say that we imprison thousands.

02:08:07.000 I like to say that we actually liberated millions.

02:08:11.000 So, you know, like...

02:08:13.000 That's very good.

02:08:15.000 Who gave him that line?

02:08:16.000 Do you think I can use that?

02:08:18.000 In fact, Mr. President, you have 350 million people to liberate.

02:08:25.000 But to liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some.

02:08:29.000 You know, that's the way it works, right?

02:08:30.000 You cannot just, you know, free the criminals and think crime is going to go down magically.

02:08:35.000 You have to imprison them so you can liberate 350 million Americans that are asking for the end of crime and the end of terrorism. 0.64

02:08:42.000 And it can be done.

02:08:43.000 I mean, you're doing it already.

02:08:45.000 And I'm sure that people have seen the change in the streets.

02:08:49.000 A long way to go because you're just initiating your second term.

02:08:55.000 It's clear that, you know, with the numbers at the border, you know, even in Democrat Run series, they get help from the world you're doing.

02:09:05.000 So I'm really happy to be here, honored, and eager to help.

02:09:11.000 Now, of course, the left-wing media is up in arms over the fact that El Salvador is allowing for the Trump administration to send violent criminal illegal aliens to El Salvador to be housed in their top-notch facility called Seacot.

02:09:25.000 So I guess Caitlin Collins of CNN, who was outraged over the deportation of criminal illegal aliens, had something to say about this during this press conference between President Trump and Nayib Bukele.

02:09:36.000 So let's go ahead and play this clip of President Trump and different members of his administration taking turns ripping Caitlin Collins for her ignorance during the meeting between President Trump and El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele. 0.94

02:09:50.000 He was illegally in our country. 0.99

02:10:04.000 He had been illegally in our country. 0.55

02:10:06.000 And in 2019.

02:10:08.000 Two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court, ruled that he was a member of MS-13 and he was illegally in our country.

02:10:18.000 Right now, it was a paperwork.

02:10:21.000 It was additional paperwork that needed to be done.

02:10:24.000 That's up to El Salvador if they want to return him.

02:10:27.000 That's not up to us.

02:10:29.000 The Supreme Court ruled, President, that if, as El Salvador wants to return him, this is international matters, foreign affairs.

02:10:36.000 If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.

02:10:42.000 And you are doing a great job.

02:10:46.000 Thank you.

02:10:48.000 Can you just also respond to that question?

02:10:51.000 Because, you know, it's asked by CNN, and they always ask it with a slant because they're totally slanted because they don't know what's happening. 0.67

02:10:58.000 That's why nobody's watching them.

02:10:59.000 But would you answer that question also, please?

02:11:01.000 Yes, gladly.

02:11:02.000 So, as Pam mentioned, There's an illegal alien from El Salvador.

02:11:07.000 So with respect to you, he's a citizen of El Salvador.

02:11:12.000 So it's very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as a starting point.

02:11:21.000 As two immigration courts found that he was a member of MS-13.

02:11:24.000 When President Trump declared MS-13 to be a foreign terrorist organization...

02:11:29.000 That meant that he was no longer eligible under federal law, which I'm sure you know, you're very familiar with the INA, that he was no longer eligible for any form of immigration relief in the United States.

02:11:39.000 So he had a deportation order that was valid, which meant that under our law, he's not even allowed to be present in the United States and had to be returned because of the foreign terrorist designation.

02:11:51.000 This issue was then, by a district court judge, Completely inverted.

02:11:57.000 And a district court judge tried to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and fly him back here.

02:12:03.000 That issue was raised to the Supreme Court.

02:12:05.000 And the Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador.

02:12:22.000 From El Salvador, who again is a member of MS-13, which as I'm sure you understand, rapes little girls, murders women, murders children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities in the world, and I can promise you, if he was your neighbor, you would move right away. 0.75

02:12:36.000 So you don't plan to ask for any help to get him back?

02:12:38.000 But the Supreme Court is asking to...

02:12:39.000 Was it 9-0?

02:12:43.000 Yes, it was a 9-0.

02:12:45.000 In our favor.

02:12:46.000 in our favor against the district court ruling, saying that no district court has the power to compel the foreign policy function of the United States.

02:12:53.000 As Pam said, the ruling solely stated that if this individual at El Salvador's sole discretion was sent back to our country, that we could deport him a second time.

02:13:03.000 No version of this legally ends up with him ever living here because he is a citizen of El Salvador.

02:13:09.000 That is the president of El Salvador.

02:13:11.000 Your questions about it, per the court, can only be directed to him.

02:13:15.000 Can President Bukele weigh in on this?

02:13:19.000 Do you plan to return him?

02:13:20.000 Well, most of you have suggested that I smuggle a terrorist into the United States, right?

02:13:26.000 How can I smuggle?

02:13:28.000 How can I return him to the United States?

02:13:30.000 Like, I smuggle him into the United States or whether I do it first, I'm not going to do it. 0.92

02:13:34.000 It's like, I mean, the question is preposterous.

02:13:38.000 How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States?

02:13:41.000 I don't have the power to return him to the United States.

02:13:45.000 Yeah, but I'm not releasing...

02:13:47.000 I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terrorism to our country.

02:13:50.000 I mean, we just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere, and you want us to go back into releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world.

02:13:59.000 No, that's not going to happen.

02:14:01.000 Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, released into...

02:14:03.000 I mean, there's a fascination.

02:14:05.000 They would love it.

02:14:06.000 Yeah. These are sick people. 1.00

02:14:10.000 Mark, do you have something to say about that?

02:14:11.000 Yeah, I mean, Stephen outlined it.

02:14:13.000 I don't understand what the confusion is.

02:14:15.000 This individual is a citizen of El Salvador.

02:14:17.000 He was illegally in the United States and was returned to his country.

02:14:21.000 That's where you deport people, back to their country of origin. 1.00

02:14:23.000 Except for Venezuela, that wasn't refusing to take people back or places like that.

02:14:27.000 I can tell you this, Mr. President.

02:14:29.000 No, the foreign policy of the United States is conducted by the President of the United States, not by a court.

02:14:34.000 And no court...

02:14:35.000 And the United States has a right to conduct the foreign policy of the United States.

02:14:39.000 It's that simple.

02:14:40.000 End of story. 0.95

02:14:43.000 It's incredible, isn't it, how far the leftist media will go to advocate for criminals and terrorists and criminal illegal aliens who, as they said, are raping young girls and committing crimes and attacking police officers, trafficking drugs into our country, 0.94

02:15:00.000 and yet...

02:15:01.000 You never see these people advocate for the American people.

02:15:04.000 Yet now we have Cory Booker.

02:15:06.000 I think we have a clip of Cory Booker talking about how he wants to organize a delegation of Democrat senators to go to El Salvador to advocate for the release of this individual.

02:15:16.000 But none of these Democrats want to go to Gaza to have conversations with Hamas to advocate for the release of American hostages, right?

02:15:23.000 I mean, the hypocrisy is astounding.

02:15:26.000 Do we have this clip of Cory Booker today? 0.73

02:15:28.000 It is just so unbelievable.

02:15:30.000 I know I tweeted about it earlier, but you have to ask yourself, why are they in such outrage over a criminal illegal alien in El Salvador?

02:15:41.000 Why do they want to bring this person back to the United States so badly? 0.51

02:15:46.000 Does anyone...

02:15:48.000 Ever study the psychology of a Democrat member of Congress and ask them why they find the need to come to the defense of criminal illegal aliens and people who are not supposed to be in our country? 0.98

02:16:00.000 Gangbangers, people who associate with the lowest, like, the people with the lowest level of morality in our society, just gutter trash individuals.

02:16:10.000 There should be a psychological study conducted on Democrats and why they find a need to constantly defend the worst of the worst in our society. 0.97

02:16:20.000 It is truly disturbing that this is where they want to focus their energies.

02:16:25.000 This is the hill that they want to die on.

02:16:27.000 While President Trump is focused on making America safe again and trying to bring hostages home, they want to bring criminals home and they want to promote open borders and block President Trump from deporting criminal illegal aliens and train to Aragua and MS-13.

02:16:41.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

02:16:44.000 Do you think the Trump administration is defying a court order?

02:16:51.000 It certainly appears that they are, and they're trying to play too cute with parsing words.

02:16:58.000 The court has ordered the return of this person and that the Trump administration should do it.

02:17:02.000 They're paying an authoritarian leader in El Salvador to hold people in the worst imaginable types of prisons that he has sent there without any due process.

02:17:13.000 And this isn't just about Mr. Garcia.

02:17:15.000 This is about every American understanding that this president is making an assault on the due process rights that are afforded to people in our country.

02:17:24.000 Everybody from Anton Scalia to other conservative think tanks have said very clearly...

02:17:29.000 You cannot disappear people off American streets.

02:17:32.000 We are a nation of rules and due process is clearly one of them.

02:17:37.000 And to erode the due process rights of anyone is a threat to the due process rights of everyone.

02:17:43.000 This is a democratic slippage and we all should be speaking out against it.

02:17:50.000 Unbelievable. What we need to be speaking out against as a country is the Democrat Party facilitating and harboring illegal immigration and protecting violent gangbangers.

02:18:03.000 That's what we need to be focused on.

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02:26:25.000 Horrible. Really terrible what they're doing to these dogs.

02:26:35.000 Anyway, with that...

02:26:37.000 Loomer Unleashed is going to resume this Thursday.

02:26:40.000 Again, we're going to have Dr. Kirk Elliott on, talking about the Trump tariffs and talking about why you should be investing in gold and silver.

02:26:48.000 And we're going to have a lot more stories to cover because, well, it's never a dull moment in the golden age of President Trump's second administration.

02:26:56.000 There's a lot of news coming out this week.

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02:27:04.000 Congress is on a recess, so we're not going to have any videos this week confronting and loomering members of Congress because, well, when do these people really ever work?

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02:27:34.000 Thank you so much for tuning in tonight.

02:27:36.000 I really appreciate it.

02:27:37.000 Don't forget to call Dr. Bhattacharya at NIH and tell him to end all of the animal testing contracts and all of the grants for these Beagle labs and these beagle experiments at CCP-funded and U.S. taxpayer-funded labs in China.

02:27:52.000 We have to shut this down.

02:27:54.000 Totally unacceptable today that on tax day our money, $20 billion, can you believe it?

02:27:59.000 $20 billion is going to go towards funding animal testing this year.

02:28:03.000 Unacceptable. We can't allow it to happen under the Trump administration.

02:28:06.000 Needs to be shut down.

02:28:08.000 I'm going to be posting links tonight and tomorrow about who you can contact at the NIH so that we can try to end these animal tests once and for all.

02:28:18.000 But with that, I will see you on Thursday for another episode of Loomer Unleashed.

02:28:22.000 Thanks so much for tuning in and have a great night.

02:28:38.000 Our problems will be fixed in about five minutes.

Loomer Unleashed - April 15, 2025

EP114: Trump Cracks Down On Animal Testing

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