Loomer Unleashed - EP121: White House Vetting Crisis Worsens

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00:21:33.000 Good evening and welcome to episode 121 of Loomer Unleashed.

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00:22:48.000 We're going to be talking about the worsening White House betting crisis.

00:22:52.000 Now, this is something that I decided to make a beat.

00:22:56.000 I didn't realize I was going to be taking over entire episodes of my show.

00:23:00.000 I really created this segment on my show about a month and a half or so ago.

00:23:06.000 When I saw just all of the terrible picks, right?

00:23:09.000 There's so many bad picks for positions within the Trump administration.

00:23:13.000 And there's also a lot of Biden holdovers still left over.

00:23:17.000 And look, I love President Trump.

00:23:19.000 I am one of President Trump's, if not President Trump's, biggest advocate.

00:23:23.000 And I say that because...

00:23:25.000 I'm not working for President Trump.

00:23:27.000 I'm not getting paid by President Trump.

00:23:29.000 I'm not in the Trump White House.

00:23:30.000 I wasn't even on the Trump campaign.

00:23:32.000 And yet, I feel like every single day, it's a full-time job just to make sure the president is protected and that he's receiving the information that he needs to receive and that people are doing their due diligence and betting on a lot of the people who have been welcomed into the Trump administration and welcomed into the White House.

00:23:51.000 You know, the president kind of made a deal with the devil when he decided to welcome Democrats into his cabinet in this agreement to get the Maha movement over to MAGA, even though they like to differentiate themselves as an entirely different movement. 0.55

00:24:08.000 Right.

00:24:08.000 These people call themselves Maha.

00:24:09.000 They don't really call themselves MAGA.

00:24:11.000 And really, it's the MAGA base that got Donald Trump elected and put Donald Trump in the White House.

00:24:18.000 And you see that there's a lot of these, you know, Maha operatives who, in my opinion, they operate like. 0.95

00:24:27.000 And it's almost like they're holding members of the Trump administration hostage, where they put a metaphorical gun to Trump's head and they say, well, Bobby Kennedy is not going to drop out of the presidential election unless you give us everything that we want.

00:24:43.000 And if you don't give us everything that we want, then we're going to have Bobby have a contingent election and you're not going to be president and it's going to be a contingent election.

00:24:51.000 No, that's not me making that up.

00:24:53.000 No, that's not a conspiracy theory.

00:24:54.000 That was literally the entire game plan of the Kennedy campaign, was the idea that Kennedy and the funders of his American Values PAC were literally out there talking to the media about how they wanted to create a contingent election.

00:25:10.000 What does that mean?

00:25:11.000 That's when neither candidate on the ballot gets 270 electoral votes, and thus you have...

00:25:17.000 A contingent election, and then the President of the United States is then decided by members of Congress.

00:25:25.000 So they wanted to actually deprive every single citizen of this country, the Kennedy campaign, just so people understand what these people represent and what Kennedy supporters are all about.

00:25:38.000 These people wanted to completely deprive every single American citizen of their right They knew that he couldn't win an election.

00:25:48.000 They knew it.

00:25:48.000 And what did they do?

00:25:50.000 They used people like Nicole Shanahan to fund Bobby Kennedy's campaign.

00:25:54.000 And they were very strategic in the states that they wanted him to be in the ballot on.

00:25:59.000 And American Values PAC was admitting this to the media, that their goal is to create a contingent election so that neither candidate would receive 270 electoral votes.

00:26:11.000 So this was a sabotage effort from the very beginning.

00:26:14.000 You could almost...

00:26:16.000 You know, accused these people of trying to extort Donald Trump and his political allies.

00:26:21.000 And so then when push came to shove and Bobby Kennedy realized that, you know, Biden wasn't going to allow him to have Secret Service and when he wasn't allowed to debate on the Democrat stage and he decided to be an independent, right?

00:26:33.000 And then he realized that wasn't going to go anywhere and they were running out of money.

00:26:36.000 Then he finally came to the table after, you know, he...

00:26:40.000 Recorded President Trump's phone call with him behind President Trump's back, if you recall that really messy scandal, and then released that tape publicly to the media as like a power move on Donald Trump.

00:26:52.000 And then shortly after that, right, it's like people saying kumbaya, held hands, and then we saw them on stage together at a Turning Point event in, I believe it was Arizona.

00:27:00.000 And then, you know, there's all this talk about Bobby Kennedy being nominated after the election to oversee HHS.

00:27:08.000 So why do I bring this up?

00:27:10.000 Because I just think that it's really important for people to understand that Kennedy and his supporters in Maha were never true Trump supporters, right?

00:27:20.000 Everything they did was done out of extortion.

00:27:23.000 They literally tried to extort Donald Trump and they tried to extort the MAGA movement.

00:27:28.000 And so, these aren't people who operate in good faith.

00:27:31.000 It's not like these Kennedy supporters or people in the Maha movement who came from the Kennedy camp.

00:27:36.000 Because look, the Maha movement itself existed prior to...

00:27:40.000 Kennedy running for president, right?

00:27:42.000 This was a coalition of mothers and concerned parents who were trying to raise awareness about vaccine-injured children, children who got autism as a result of getting vaccines.

00:27:52.000 We know that vaccines cause autism.

00:27:54.000 And then you had all these grifters that decided to attach themselves to the Kennedy presidential campaign who then wanted to make money hawking their books and hawking their supplements and, you know, posting on Instagram and trying to pretend like They're suburban housewives, celebrities, right?

00:28:13.000 Creating these kind of cult-like followings where they really misrepresented themselves as advocates for the people when really they were just trying to extort President Trump and the MAGA movement the entire time so that they could gain political influence and financial influence and enrich themselves and their family members.

00:28:33.000 We're going to talk about this tonight with my upcoming guest, Dr. Mary Talley-Boden.

00:28:40.000 Who, unfortunately, had to have negative interactions and experiences with many of these individuals in the Maha movement.

00:28:47.000 And she has a lot of firsthand experience and firsthand knowledge that she's going to share with us tonight as somebody who really is a true medical professional, a real licensed doctor who is trying to treat people and help people who have been injured by vaccines and provide adequate medical care.

00:29:09.000 We're going to have a conversation tonight about this worsening White House vetting crisis.

00:29:12.000 I want to tee this up for you.

00:29:14.000 How did we all come to talking about this and why is there now this civil war erupting in Maha and MAGA?

00:29:22.000 Look, President Trump is surrounded by people who want to exercise nepotism as it relates to their appointments.

00:29:30.000 You have a lot of people that have their own personal financial ties, their own personal preferences as it relates to enriching themselves, enriching their companies, wanting to put their kids in positions in the White House, trying to help their nieces, their nephews, their in-laws.

00:29:47.000 We've seen this incestuous... 0.65

00:29:50.000 You know, meritless system of political appointments on both sides of the aisle. 0.66

00:29:56.000 It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or, you know, you're talking about the Trump administration.

00:30:01.000 And unfortunately, right, when Donald Trump made the, in my opinion, misguided decision of And who knows if it was even Trump, right?

00:30:10.000 Because I personally believe that a lot of these appointments were made by other people and then they just were like, yeah, President Trump, this person's great.

00:30:17.000 Trust us.

00:30:17.000 Don't worry.

00:30:18.000 Don't worry.

00:30:18.000 Don't ask any questions.

00:30:19.000 Just appoint this person, right?

00:30:20.000 So somebody, right, appointed Michael Waltz or convinced Donald Trump to appoint Michael Waltz as national security advisor.

00:30:30.000 Well, you know, he's since been demoted and exiled to Siberia and now he's...

00:30:35.000 The UN ambassador.

00:30:36.000 It's kind of a nothing position.

00:30:38.000 But I suppose the White House just didn't want to deal with another rogue former staffer writing a tell-all book and trashing Trump in the press, which is what we saw as a daily occurrence in the first Trump administration.

00:30:50.000 So they bring on Michael Waltz, right?

00:30:54.000 They pull him out of his Florida congressional seat, which causes chaos here in the state of Florida.

00:30:58.000 And then, you know, as we saw following my meeting with President Trump, obviously the president felt compelled to demote Michael Waltz and fire a lot of the officials that he appointed at NSC.

00:31:08.000 Well, when they brought on Michael Waltz, all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, we're going to have Jeanette Nishwat be the Surgeon General.

00:31:14.000 And everybody was like, well, this woman... 0.82

00:31:16.000 It's a Fox News pundit.

00:31:18.000 You know, like, where'd this woman come from? 0.61

00:31:20.000 She's just kind of like this, you know, like, low-grade doctor on TV who's, you know, hawking the COVID vaccines, telling everybody that they're a danger to society and that they're causing harm to our country if they don't get vaccinated.

00:31:37.000 Even after we had data that showed that...

00:31:40.000 These vaccines were more like death shots, right?

00:31:43.000 And they were killing kids.

00:31:44.000 And, you know, like all these stories of young children dropping dead on soccer fields.

00:31:49.000 Young, healthy, pregnant mothers dropping dead, having aneurysms, right? 1.00

00:31:53.000 Young athletes having to give up their dreams because they got myocarditis.

00:31:58.000 Young people getting turbo cancer.

00:32:00.000 I mean, look, even the first lady of Florida got diagnosed with breast cancer shortly after her and her husband decided to get jabbed, right?

00:32:07.000 And pushed the jab on everybody else here in the state of Florida.

00:32:09.000 So now we're dealing with the consequences of this mass jab campaign.

00:32:15.000 Turbo cancer, myocarditis, all types of health issues, right?

00:32:20.000 I thank God every day that I never took the COVID jab, but I had enough common sense to actually read the insert and to not inject myself with an experimental DNA modifier.

00:32:31.000 A lot of people just didn't have that common sense.

00:32:36.000 You know, Jeanette faced a lot of criticism and a lot of people wanted her gone. 0.94

00:32:41.000 And she was supposed to be confirmed in front of the Senate yesterday. 0.55

00:32:44.000 Well, over the weekend, I decided to release an expose on her.

00:32:48.000 And I know for a fact that it made its way to the desk of the president.

00:32:51.000 And I believe that sometime over the weekend they decided, I was told actually, that they decided to rescind her nomination.

00:32:59.000 And so Jeanette had her nomination pulled. 1.00

00:33:05.000 You know, I was hoping that they were going to pick somebody as her replacement who is actually more qualified, but then I guess Bobby Kennedy decided that he was going to go to President Trump and provide his own personal recommendation.

00:33:17.000 So from what I was told, Bobby Kennedy then, and we have this article here up on the screen, so let's just show everybody, right?

00:33:24.000 Trump pulled Surgeon General pick following Laura Leamer complaints.

00:33:27.000 Dr. Jeanette Nishwat was slated to appear for a confirmation hearing on Thursday.

00:33:31.000 You can scroll down.

00:33:33.000 President Trump pulled his nomination of Dr. Jeanette Nishwa as U.S. Surgeon General Wednesday, just a day before she was expected to appear before the Senate for her confirmation hearing.

00:33:42.000 Dr. Casey Means is the new pick, Trump said in a true social post.

00:33:46.000 Her academic achievements, right?

00:33:48.000 That's the first thing that Trump leads with.

00:33:50.000 Why?

00:33:51.000 Because Bobby Kennedy, after he got wind that they were going to pull the nomination of Jeanette Nishwa. 0.99

00:33:58.000 went to trump and said you have to nominate this woman casey means she's phenomenal uh she was top of her class at stanford right and look I know President Trump.

00:34:09.000 Everybody knows that President Trump really values educational pedigree.

00:34:12.000 And so for some reason, President Trump thought that it was a good accomplishment for her to be top of her class at Stanford when really the president and his advisor should have been asking, well, what are her medical credentials, right?

00:34:23.000 Like you're going to be the U.S. Surgeon General.

00:34:25.000 What are your credentials?

00:34:27.000 Well, it turns out that Casey Means doesn't even have a valid medical license. 0.91

00:34:33.000 Now it's caused this whole controversy, and a lot of people, including my next guest, who's going to be joining me momentarily, has a lot to say about this.

00:34:41.000 Because, you know, you would think that if you want somebody who's going to be the spokesperson for the medical field and somebody who's going to be the spokesperson as it relates to medical advice in our country, it's somebody that should at least be an active practicing physician, a licensed physician.

00:34:56.000 But unfortunately, you know, that's not what we're seeing.

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00:37:24.000 What we've all been waiting for now.

00:37:26.000 Joining me now to discuss the implosion with the recent nomination of Casey Means as the new U.S. Surgeon General and what it means for public health and medicine in America and what it means as it relates to the trust of the American people as it pertains to the field of medicine and science is Dr. Mary Talley Bowden.

00:37:52.000 Doctor, thank you so much.

00:37:54.000 It's great to actually have a real licensed medical professional joining me tonight.

00:37:58.000 I'm kind of shocked and perplexed that, you know, you have to have a license to cut hair in the United States of America, but you don't have to have a license to be the U.S. Surgeon General.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, that's an excellent point.

00:38:12.000 I mean, it's funny because I don't think five years ago I would have cared whatsoever who the Surgeon General was, but I think this pick is significant.

00:38:21.000 Because we're coming off the heels of the largest public health crisis in our lifetime.

00:38:28.000 And the biggest issue we have, besides these mRNA shots that the government is recommending all babies get three of by the time they're nine months old, but besides that is trust.

00:38:41.000 And I see that every day in my office.

00:38:43.000 I mean, people are scared to go to other doctors.

00:38:46.000 They're scared to go to the hospital.

00:38:47.000 They're scared to take basic medications like antibiotics.

00:38:51.000 Because the government destroyed trust and doctors destroyed trust.

00:38:56.000 And this is an opportunity for the government to help restore trust by sending out a messenger who is credible.

00:39:05.000 And to be credible, you have to be credentialed.

00:39:09.000 And I have nothing personally against Casey Means, but she did not complete her training, period. 0.57

00:39:16.000 So let me explain to you what medical training is.

00:39:20.000 Because there seems to be a lot of confusion out there.

00:39:24.000 First of all, four years of college.

00:39:26.000 Then you do four years of medical school.

00:39:28.000 That's everybody.

00:39:30.000 You get a medical license after four years of medical school.

00:39:34.000 That does not mean that you are allowed to go out and start treating patients.

00:39:38.000 After the four years of medical school, then you do a residency.

00:39:42.000 And the length of that residency varies depending on what you decide to focus on.

00:39:49.000 So a primary care doctor typically does three years.

00:39:52.000 A surgeon typically does at least five years.

00:39:55.000 As an ENT, and that's what I am, I'm also an ENT, we do five years of residency.

00:40:01.000 So the entire process is at least nine years.

00:40:06.000 Casey dropped out at year eight, four years into her residency.

00:40:12.000 She did not complete her training, and she has not maintained her license.

00:40:18.000 She can't write prescriptions. 0.99

00:40:20.000 And I can tell you, I am a much different doctor now than I was in my fourth year of residency.

00:40:27.000 There is something completely, you know, just very invaluable to go into a room with a patient multiple times a day, sit down, hear their problems.

00:40:40.000 You live medicine.

00:40:41.000 You experience medicine.

00:40:44.000 It trains you along the way.

00:40:48.000 Without that experience, it's hard for anybody to have their finger on the pulse of what is going on in healthcare.

00:40:59.000 I'm very tempted to retire after everything that's happened, but I don't want to because I feel like it really keeps me knowing what's going on with people.

00:41:10.000 Yeah, and not just the level of trust with the American people after, you know, the China virus killed 1.2 million American citizens and millions of other people around the world, but I think also we need to have a level of trust within this relationship between medical professionals in their own community.

00:41:30.000 And what I worry about is you have somebody like Casey Means who, you know, not only finished, I've been around in this industry for a very long time,

00:42:00.000 and I know what an astroturfed campaign looks like when I see one, and I know what it looks like when a movement has financing behind it and when a movement is truly organic.

00:42:09.000 It's strange to me that she created this whole storyline around how she didn't finish her residency because she thought that it was so corrupt and her patients weren't getting better, and yet...

00:42:22.000 We found out today in an explosive article that came out in the LA Times that she actually didn't finish her residency because she has a severe anxiety disorder, according to her colleagues, who said that she came to them saying she couldn't complete her residency and do her work because of the anxiety that she was dealing with, the stress.

00:42:41.000 I mean, that's not somebody who, you know, practice.

00:42:43.000 It'd be one thing if you had a private practice for years and, you know, you were a renowned surgeon and you were just like so disillusioned with the medical field.

00:42:51.000 And we saw a lot of those people, right?

00:42:53.000 They had their licenses taken from them because they wanted to prescribe hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

00:42:59.000 And they were attacked by big pharma during the lockdowns and the COVID crisis in our country.

00:43:05.000 But that's not the case with her.

00:43:07.000 She clearly has something to hide.

00:43:10.000 Just like you wouldn't, there's standards in the military, right?

00:43:13.000 Like if you had a certain surgery or you've ever taken antidepressants, you literally cannot go and serve in the military.

00:43:18.000 You will be disqualified and you will not pass the recruitment paperwork.

00:43:22.000 I think there should be some standards, right, for whoever's going to be the Surgeon General.

00:43:26.000 Now, you don't have to be an actual surgeon to be the Surgeon General, which is strange given the fact that it's called U.S. Surgeon General.

00:43:36.000 But you would expect that...

00:43:38.000 This person should at least have an active medical license.

00:43:41.000 And my concern is that this woman has more to hide than she's really bringing to the table. 0.99

00:43:47.000 And it's pretty obvious that the Trump administration did not do any vetting into her.

00:43:52.000 It appears that she was fast tracked into this role, given her her ties to RFK Jr.

00:43:58.000 And the fact that her own brother, Callie Means, has been brought into the Trump administration as a health advisor, even though he himself admitted on Joe Rogan show that he was a never Trumper.

00:44:09.000 And then because he saw opportunity in, you know, in RFK being able to advance his own medical agenda, they all decided then at the last minute that they were going to support Trump.

00:44:20.000 Right.

00:44:20.000 After spending the entire campaign season bashing him.

00:44:24.000 Thoughts on that?

00:44:24.000 Because.

00:44:36.000 If you're just having these self-obsessed people bashing doctors, talking about how evil doctors are and how evil pharmaceuticals are and how evil everything is.

00:44:46.000 I mean, let's be honest.

00:44:47.000 You can't treat everything with a holistic nature.

00:44:49.000 Some people really do need medication.

00:44:52.000 Exactly.

00:44:53.000 I think the pendulum is swinging too far in the other direction.

00:44:57.000 Like I said, I have people that are scared to even take antibiotics.

00:45:00.000 They're gravitating towards remedies that are not proven, and they're just rejecting all forms of healthcare.

00:45:10.000 And that's sort of, that's Casey embodies that in a lot of ways.

00:45:14.000 I mean, my antenna were up when I found out she dropped out in her fourth year because that is unusual.

00:45:21.000 My guess, and having been a fourth-year, fifth-year resident, it is very hard.

00:45:27.000 I mean, it is super stressful.

00:45:29.000 I joke that it's like a prison sentence.

00:45:32.000 It's mentally and physically grueling.

00:45:35.000 And my guess is that the system sort of broke her, which is, I get it.

00:45:41.000 But most people make it through.

00:45:42.000 Most people tough it out.

00:45:44.000 And so it is...

00:45:48.000 It's highly unusual to drop out at that stage of the game.

00:45:51.000 Not so much earlier on.

00:45:53.000 Maybe, you know, you get into your residency, say, I'm not going to do this.

00:45:56.000 But that late in the game, very unusual.

00:46:02.000 Why do you think there's been such a cover-up regarding, you know, the storyline surrounding why she didn't complete her residency?

00:46:10.000 I mean, what would be the motivation of somebody like that to make up a story instead of just being honest and saying, I had an anxiety disorder and I had stress and I had to drop out.

00:46:23.000 I'm sure there's some shame about it.

00:46:25.000 And I'm actually shocked that the people at our former residency program said anything.

00:46:31.000 I bet she figured no one would find out.

00:46:35.000 So that's my guess.

00:46:37.000 And, you know, she was able to create a narrative that really fits into what she's selling and her brand.

00:46:44.000 So, you know, it fit.

00:46:47.000 But I'm sure there's some shame and there's probably some regret.

00:46:50.000 And then she probably figured no one would say anything.

00:46:53.000 thing.

00:46:55.000 Another point that I wanted to bring up, and this really goes back to the lack of vetting in the Trump administration as it relates to these positions, is You know, her family history, it seems to be a family enterprise between her father and her brother and their own involvement in all of these various companies,

00:47:12.000 multi-million dollar companies, and just kind of a disconnect between the true original Maha movement and then, you know, these self-appointed spokespeople, and I'm talking about, you know, Callie and Casey, the mean siblings, especially given the fact that their own personal decisions are completely conflicting with original Maha.

00:47:33.000 For example, I was able to, and I believe we have this screenshot, I was able to dig up old social media posts with Casey's old ex-handle from 2021 that showed that she actually decided to get vaccinated with a COVID jab live on Clubhouse, right?

00:47:52.000 And so...

00:47:54.000 Does it feel like the Maha movement has been co-opted by people who are pretending to be somebody who they're not?

00:48:00.000 Because you also have her brother Callie who refused to condemn these vaccines.

00:48:06.000 I know that we have a video clip that I'll play after you answer the question of you kind of interrogating him on a podcast and putting him on the spot about his positions as it relates to these vaccines.

00:48:17.000 And it just seems like if these people...

00:48:19.000 You know, truly are committed to making people's lives better.

00:48:23.000 Why are they so focused on promoting their own products?

00:48:26.000 Why are they so focused on things that seem to be a diversion away from the true message of Maha, which was supposed to be taking these dangerous vaccines off the market and making a schedule for parents so that children don't get autism?

00:48:43.000 Yeah, I don't think Maha was ever about taking the COVID shots off the market, unfortunately.

00:48:48.000 And I look at Casey and Callie as healthcare entrepreneurs.

00:48:51.000 I don't look at them as really sincerely interested in, you know, the things that most doctors are interested in.

00:48:59.000 Most doctors aren't out there selling products.

00:49:03.000 And there's just a whole industry of pseudo doctors like this.

00:49:09.000 And that to me is they've sort of taken over Maha.

00:49:14.000 I mean, while everybody else was.

00:49:17.000 In lockdowns and distraught over how the hospitals were treating us and treating patients and the mandates.

00:49:26.000 They were making millions of dollars buying, selling, investing in healthcare companies.

00:49:33.000 And the fact that they cannot simply state, go on record, that the COVID shots should be taken off the market, I think is unethical.

00:49:44.000 We know that they are not getting any more shots.

00:49:47.000 Callie admitted that to me on camera.

00:49:49.000 And I feel like anybody with a big microphone who has power, who is in this space, is ethically obligated to speak out about these shots.

00:49:59.000 If they are not safe for you, if they're not safe enough for your children, why are they safe enough for anyone else?

00:50:05.000 Because the CDC currently recommends that everybody get an annual shot.

00:50:09.000 All babies get three shots by the time they're nine months old.

00:50:13.000 Everybody that's staying silent, including Kennedy, has blood on their hands.

00:50:19.000 Yeah, I want to go ahead and show you this screenshot because we like to document everything here with receipts.

00:50:24.000 And I want to play this video clip that shows that she got the COVID vaccine live on Clubhouse.

00:50:30.000 So here you play the clip.

00:50:32.000 Let's put it full screen here so everybody can see it.

00:50:35.000 It's a guy named...

00:50:37.000 Malik, MD, who said, love this.

00:50:39.000 That was her old handle.

00:50:40.000 Dr. Casey Kitchen, CMO and co-founder at Levels, is on Joint Clubhouse and is literally getting her COVID-19 vaccine this moment while being tonight's guest with A16Z.

00:50:52.000 You know, that's obviously Marc Andreessen's company.

00:50:55.000 Amazing moment.

00:50:57.000 So, you know.

00:50:58.000 It just seems a little crazy to me that out of all the doctors who we were told were going to revolutionize medicine in America, we now have a full-blown grifter.

00:51:10.000 Somebody who has completely...

00:51:14.000 Subverted the entire movement, pretending to be somebody like you, or somebody like, you know, an original Maha mom, now presenting herself in this manner that she's going to challenge the establishment, but everything with her behavior suggests that she is part of the establishment. 0.85

00:51:32.000 I mean, I'm not really looking at somebody who I think is a revolutionary figure, a transformative figure in healthcare.

00:51:38.000 I'm looking at somebody who made a lot of money working with data collection companies, okay, keeping people's biometric data, their DNA data.

00:51:47.000 That's, of course, what she was doing before she apparently had this revelation to, you know, go talk to the trees and eat some shrooms.

00:51:55.000 And, I mean, this is all documented on her newsletter, which, you know, I've been reporting on this week.

00:52:01.000 Somebody who has a...

00:52:03.000 Like, long history or career path challenging the medical establishment.

00:52:07.000 In fact, I would say that her and her brother are quite entrenched in the medical establishment, despite their public cries that they are not affiliated with these individuals in Big Pharma.

00:52:17.000 And then they love tossing around accusations accusing people of being funded by Big Pharma.

00:52:22.000 I mean, literally, when I ran for Congress, right, I received heat from all these leftist publications because I got COVID really bad.

00:52:30.000 And I was on the campaign trail in 2020.

00:52:34.000 I think I wore a mask for like, you know, the first week, you know, when they said, oh, 15 days to slow the spread.

00:52:40.000 And then afterwards I was like, okay, I'm not doing this anymore.

00:52:44.000 And then you have to like literally wear a mask to go inside Publix to get groceries.

00:52:47.000 So I think I did that too.

00:52:49.000 And then I immediately took it off and I got really bad asthma as a result of getting COVID.

00:52:55.000 But I was trashed. 0.89

00:52:56.000 And they said that we hope that Laura Loomer dies.

00:52:59.000 And there was a post in the Daily Mail saying that I was on my deathbed because I got COVID and I was telling people to not take the vaccine.

00:53:09.000 And so for Callie to go online today and falsely accuse me of all people of being paid off by Big Pharma, it's just so crazy.

00:53:17.000 And it's totally dishonest that people can't handle legitimate criticisms about their background.

00:53:22.000 So they start falsely accusing people of...

00:53:25.000 Working against Donald Trump, when I'm arguably Donald Trump's biggest advocate, and accusing people like me of being paid off by Big Pharma, accusing you of being jealous, right?

00:53:36.000 I saw a lot of people like that today saying that you're jealous.

00:53:40.000 What are your thoughts on this, and do you think that it's concerning that somebody who took the vaccine was nominated to be U.S. Surgeon General?

00:53:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I can forgive her for getting...

00:53:54.000 The COVID shot, I guess.

00:53:56.000 I mean, the government spent $11.5 billion brainwashing the public.

00:54:01.000 And yeah, she's a doctor.

00:54:03.000 She should have done better.

00:54:04.000 But, you know, she could go back.

00:54:06.000 I mean, most doctors regret, most people regret getting the COVID shots.

00:54:11.000 And it's just very suspicious that she will not say anything.

00:54:17.000 So, yeah, it's problematic.

00:54:21.000 On many levels, as you as you noted, there's so many great candidates out there.

00:54:26.000 And yeah, I'm not jealous because I have absolutely no desire to be surgeon general or even get near Washington, D.C. But there are you know, I was with Kelly Victory last weekend at a conference and I know her pretty well.

00:54:41.000 I see her at this conference every year and she's close friends with Kennedy.

00:54:46.000 They've known each other 30 years.

00:54:49.000 And she told us, sort of, you know, under the table, yeah, you know, Kennedy called me last week and said, you know, send us your resume for the third time, because they vetted her before, they'd interviewed her before for the Surgeon General, had been back and forth.

00:55:04.000 They said, okay, Jeanette Neshwat is out, and you're going to be it.

00:55:09.000 And so we were all sort of celebrating, saying, great, great, you know, because, you know, Kelly is...

00:55:16.000 Very well credentialed, and she's very comfortable in the media.

00:55:20.000 And, you know, she's also, unfortunately, she's been outspoken about the COVID shots.

00:55:25.000 And I honestly think that's what killed it.

00:55:28.000 But we were all under the impression that weekend that Kelly Victory was going to be announced as Surgeon General this week.

00:55:35.000 So it was quite the surprise when that didn't happen.

00:55:41.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:55:42.000 I think it's kind of shocking, and I think it's really disturbing that nobody decided to do any background information.

00:55:49.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can actually be suspended from a residency program if you get caught using recreational drugs, and you can have your license revoked as a physician if you're caught using recreational drugs or have drugs in your system.

00:56:05.000 I'm not just talking about, like, medication prescriptions.

00:56:08.000 I'm talking about hardcore controlled substances if you were to be randomly drug tested, correct?

00:56:15.000 Well, it's against the law, so yes.

00:56:18.000 I don't know specifics on what the punishments are, but yeah, it's against the law, and certainly our next Surgeon General shouldn't be promoting the use of recreational drugs, especially now with the opioid crisis.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, it's just like really contrary and conflicting messaging.

00:56:38.000 I mean, we just saw an announcement from Attorney General Pam Bondi about a massive seizure of fentanyl and psilocybin, the largest seizure of psilocybin and fentanyl in U.S. history.

00:56:50.000 The other day.

00:56:52.000 And then the same day that they announced a seizure of fentanyl and psilocybin, they appoint a woman, Casey Means, to be Surgeon General.

00:57:00.000 When I believe we have the screenshots here, I posted this on my X account, if we can get these pulled up.

00:57:04.000 She's talking about using shrooms, which is psilocybin.

00:57:07.000 She calls it plant medicine instead of actually, you know, calling it what it is, a controlled substance, which is illegal.

00:57:13.000 And I think it's really concerning because, again, how are medical professionals supposed to respect the Office of the Surgeon General when we have a...

00:57:25.000 That's a different one.

00:57:26.000 Let's get the other one up on the screen.

00:57:29.000 Different tweet.

00:57:30.000 When you have a Surgeon General who is openly talking about recreational drug use and her brother admitted to the Wall Street Journal in an article that his entire entrepreneurial career involving medicine started with a psychedelic trip.

00:57:48.000 Can we get these screenshots up on the screen, please?

00:57:52.000 So I want to show everybody these screenshots.

00:57:55.000 But thoughts on that?

00:57:56.000 Because I also know that you have to be able to pass a drug test to work in the White House.

00:58:01.000 And now we have Callie Means, who's openly talking about his psychedelic trips on shrooms and psilocybin, working as an official advisor in the Trump White House.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, it's concerning, to say the least.

00:58:17.000 It's just not sort of the role model you want to present to the American public, I would say.

00:58:23.000 It's pretty cut and dry, in my opinion.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:58:28.000 While we're looking for these graphics and getting them pulled up on the screen, I want to go ahead and play this video clip of you confronting...

00:58:38.000 Oh, here we go.

00:58:40.000 Let's scroll down.

00:58:43.000 Let's just go ahead and play the clip.

00:58:45.000 Let's just go ahead and play the clip of you confronting Callie because they don't have the right tweet up.

00:58:50.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

00:58:52.000 Oh, here we go.

00:58:53.000 Let's get it up.

00:58:55.000 Scroll down.

00:58:57.000 He attacked me today.

00:58:59.000 You can scroll down and see what he said.

00:59:01.000 Just received information that Laura Loomer is taking money from the industry to scuttle President Trump's agenda. 0.86

00:59:07.000 Laura Loomer, if that's incorrect, sue me and let's do discovery.

00:59:10.000 So, you know, he wants to be a clout chaser and use my name.

00:59:13.000 I'm in the media every day.

00:59:15.000 Obviously, you know, I'm in the news a lot lately because President Trump has...

00:59:19.000 You know, acted on my recommendations.

00:59:21.000 Trying to be a clout chaser, trying to say, oh, sue me, let's go to Discovery.

00:59:25.000 When, you know, look, it's a very provocative thing, in my opinion, for him to falsely accuse me without any evidence of taking money from Big Pharma.

00:59:33.000 And you can go to my tweet and what I said, and, you know, we'll just read it live on air.

00:59:39.000 Roll up. 1.00

00:59:40.000 I said, Callie, you're so full of shit. 1.00

00:59:42.000 You are a PR spin master. 1.00

00:59:44.000 Funny how you never want to talk about your career in PR and crisis management.

00:59:48.000 So he had a PR company, and he worked with a PR company, and he does crisis management.

00:59:51.000 So he's very capable of spinning up these narratives.

00:59:55.000 Let's get it back on the screen.

00:59:56.000 And, you know, he doesn't disclose his own background.

01:00:00.000 And so he accuses me of taking money, but then he's lying about the real reason why his sister didn't finish residency, as we just discussed.

01:00:09.000 Yes, we went over this, but I want to show the screenshots to everybody so people don't think that this is just a gossip hour with you.

01:00:15.000 Let's go through each of these screenshots really quick.

01:00:19.000 Trump's pick for Surgeon General quit medical residency due to stress, former department chair says.

01:00:24.000 Callie's all over social media saying that she quit because she's so brave and she stood up to the medical establishment and, you know, she's such a hero.

01:00:32.000 Well, that's not true, right?

01:00:34.000 So there's lie number one.

01:00:36.000 Let's go through the next screenshot.

01:00:40.000 You see here Dr. Paul Flint, a former chair at Oregon Health and Science University, said Means resigned from the residency because of anxiety.

01:00:49.000 So as you said earlier, her own colleagues are calling her out because of her lies, her lies about her own background.

01:00:57.000 Her qualifications.

01:00:58.000 That's one of the reasons why Jeanette Nishwat had her nomination pulled, is because she was fibbing on her qualifications and her records and her credentials, saying that she went to an American medical school when she actually went to a medical school in the Caribbean, right? 1.00

01:01:13.000 So that's lie number two.

01:01:15.000 Next.

01:01:18.000 Now here's a screenshot from her newsletter, right?

01:01:21.000 She's talking about things she did when she wanted to find love.

01:01:25.000 She prayed to photos of her ancestors, talking about manifestations and mantras, okay, whatever.

01:01:32.000 She talked to a spiritual medium.

01:01:35.000 Now, you know, President Trump worked extremely hard to get the evangelical Christian vote.

01:01:41.000 And I just want to know, what kind of message is this sending to evangelical Christians when you have a woman who's been nominated to be Surgeon General talking about stirring up demons and spirits by speaking to a spiritual medium?

01:01:53.000 A lot of Christians would call that witchcraft and voodoo.

01:01:57.000 A lot of people have a serious issue with communicating with spirits and talking to the dead through spiritual mediums.

01:02:05.000 Full moon ceremonies.

01:02:06.000 That's very strange.

01:02:08.000 Talking to trees.

01:02:09.000 She says she literally would talk to the trees.

01:02:12.000 Kind of like schizophrenic behavior, you know?

01:02:15.000 Talking about plant medicine experiments, a.k.a.

01:02:18.000 doing shrooms with trusted guides.

01:02:21.000 It sounds like, you know, an ayahuasca trip where you go and you sit in the middle of a jungle and they have these spiritual guides that give you these illicit drugs and then you basically sweat and you trip and then you sit in this kumbaya circle and talk about all your hippie dreams.

01:02:35.000 And then she puts a mushroom at the end so she's obviously talking about shrooms because she doesn't want to say psilocybin because that would implicate herself in a crime since psilocybin is an illegal controlled substance.

01:02:48.000 Thoughts on this?

01:02:51.000 Yeah, I mean, it would not be hard to find a much more qualified candidate that doesn't have things like that all over the internet.

01:02:59.000 So yes, she wasn't vetted.

01:03:03.000 It was a failure in really doing their homework.

01:03:08.000 So would you agree with my assessment that there is a vetting crisis at the White House?

01:03:15.000 100%.

01:03:16.000 And if President Trump were to be watching this episode right now or were to receive a copy of this clip, what would your message be to President Trump as it relates to the guidance that Bobby Kennedy gave him as it relates to his nomination of Casey Means?

01:03:33.000 There are just a slew of better people ready and waiting who have proved themselves during the pandemic.

01:03:41.000 They spoke up when it was hard to do so at great personal risk.

01:03:46.000 They have high integrity.

01:03:49.000 They are not talking about doing recreational drugs on the internet.

01:03:54.000 They are financially agnostic.

01:03:57.000 I can name five of them off the top of my head.

01:04:00.000 So it wouldn't be that hard to find a better person.

01:04:06.000 Her brother has been described as a medical entrepreneur.

01:04:11.000 Do you think that there's a conflict of interest that exists with having these siblings working together in such close proximity in official administration jobs when he himself has various companies, including TruMed?

01:04:24.000 This is a company that he co-founded, and then his wife apparently lived in China for several months where she was trying to raise money and get investments from Chinese individuals.

01:04:38.000 Do you think that this is, you know, a big red flag and another vetting, you know...

01:04:44.000 Just a vetting oversight.

01:04:46.000 Given the fact that we are still reeling from the implications of the China virus and the way that China devastated our country so much during this scam-demic, as I like to call it, I just find it to be a massive conflict of interest that kind of degrades the office of the U.S. Surgeon General. 0.93

01:05:04.000 You have a woman whose brother is a medical tech entrepreneur making millions of dollars off of his investments and his companies in the medical field.

01:05:14.000 Don't you feel that this opens up the potential for exploitation and the way that he could, you know, present himself or leverage his relationship with his sister, who is set to be the U.S. Surgeon General?

01:05:27.000 Yeah, so he has a company called TruMed, and what that does is they have products on their website that you can buy using HSA money.

01:05:36.000 That's pre-tax money.

01:05:38.000 You get a tax break.

01:05:39.000 And normally that kind of money goes towards, you know, medications, surgery, very cut and dry medical care.

01:05:48.000 But these products are, it's a little sketchy.

01:05:52.000 Like they have a bed on there called Eight Sleep, which if you really dig into this bed, it's a very expensive bed, $4,000.

01:06:00.000 There's no scientific data showing that it improves any kind of sleep outcomes or sleep health.

01:06:07.000 Yet, you know, you can use, The U.S. taxpayer money to buy that off of his website.

01:06:16.000 So expanding those HSA accounts is a huge windfall for Cali.

01:06:22.000 And yeah, it's not big pharma.

01:06:24.000 But can you imagine if somebody connected with Pfizer was in Cali's position right now?

01:06:29.000 Can you imagine the uproar that people would have?

01:06:32.000 So it is a definite conflict of interest for him.

01:06:35.000 And he's a special government employee.

01:06:38.000 So he is in a position now.

01:06:41.000 And then, of course, with his sister becoming Surgeon General, same thing.

01:06:46.000 And it's vitally important after everything that happened during the pandemic that we don't make the same mistakes that we have continued to make if we have any hope of restoring trust.

01:07:00.000 Yeah, and I think that it opens the door for potential tax fraud, and it's going to create scandals for the Trump administration, because, you know, could you imagine the Surgeon General advocating for her brother's company and saying, oh, you know, I encourage all of you to go get this mattress or start hawking products that her brother has affiliations with on his website?

01:07:22.000 I mean...

01:07:23.000 As you said before, there would be so much outrage if people from Pfizer were in this position or Big Pharma.

01:07:29.000 We'd be hearing all this public outcry about the Big Pharma conflicts of interest, but this is just as much of a conflict of interest.

01:07:36.000 And the fact that they didn't tell the president any of this, I was told that Donald Trump...

01:07:41.000 Didn't know any of this.

01:07:42.000 That the president was not made aware of any of these facts and Bobby Kennedy did not tell Donald Trump any of this information as it relates to the conflict of interest.

01:07:51.000 And it's almost like Bobby Kennedy is trying to set Trump up for a scandal, right?

01:07:56.000 And when we just saw this announcement the other day of a massive $20 million, and we can pull this up too, a $20 million advertisement campaign that the HHS department is going to be...

01:08:10.000 Carrying out for the sake of commercials.

01:08:12.000 Just type in, I think it's HHS $20 million Kennedy.

01:08:17.000 Just type that in in Google and see what pops up.

01:08:18.000 There's an article I saw.

01:08:21.000 And it's almost like it's a shadow presidential campaign ahead of 2028.

01:08:26.000 You see that all the people who, here we go.

01:08:30.000 Kennedy planning $20 million HHS take back your health campaign.

01:08:34.000 So it's a four-year initiative.

01:08:36.000 And what this really is, is it's like a shadow presidential campaign on taxpayer money for $20 million so that he can be on TV and presenting himself as some kind of a hero.

01:08:48.000 On the expense of the taxpayers here, while his entire staff at HHS are all of his former campaign employees, including Stephanie Spear, an avowed Marxist and climate change radical, who founded a group called EcoWatch that is still using their X account to this day to trash President Trump.

01:09:06.000 So I don't even think President Trump is aware of the fact that Kennedy is trying to exploit and abuse taxpayer money in his position as HHS secretary to literally launch a shadow.

01:09:19.000 Well, even if it's not that agenda, the government needs to just go away and stop telling everybody how to be healthy.

01:09:32.000 I think everybody's a little traumatized after COVID with all the messaging from the federal government.

01:09:39.000 I mean, I miss the good old days when I didn't really know anything about the FDA or CDC.

01:09:45.000 You know, they just kind of kept it themselves.

01:09:46.000 So it's really discouraging to see that $20 million of more propaganda is going out with this new initiative.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, and that's exactly what it is.

01:09:58.000 It's propaganda.

01:09:59.000 I know we said we were going to play this clip.

01:10:01.000 So I want to go ahead and play this clip so that people can see, you know, where you're coming from as a medical professional, as a real doctor, a real licensed doctor, and your direct confrontation with Callie means the brother of Casey Means in a discussion about taking these vaccines off the market.

01:10:21.000 And I want to remind everybody as you're watching this clip that Callie Means has been brought into the White House, the Trump administration, as a special government employee to be a health advisor to Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy.

01:10:35.000 Personally, do you feel like the COVID shot should be pulled off the market?

01:10:38.000 Yes or no?

01:10:40.000 I'll give you my personal opinion.

01:10:41.000 I think there should be absolutely no mandates.

01:10:44.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:10:48.000 I think that we have an opportunity in the next year to truly reset science.

01:10:55.000 This is what I feel.

01:10:56.000 And we have an opportunity to have Jay Bhattacharya, who's a close friend, who I, you know, strongly push to be at the NIH, to call everyone together, review the science.

01:11:09.000 Have truth and reconciliation, bring that out to people, and have a process for that.

01:11:13.000 I think it's a general...

01:11:14.000 So, Jack...

01:11:15.000 The answer is no.

01:11:16.000 The answer is no.

01:11:18.000 That is a policy position that I'm calling for the COVID shots to be immediately pulled from the market.

01:11:22.000 No, you're not answering the question.

01:11:24.000 You're doing exactly what your training has told you to do.

01:11:27.000 Hold on, Jack.

01:11:28.000 That's the reason we're sitting here.

01:11:29.000 Jack?

01:11:30.000 Jack?

01:11:32.000 I am saying that as a policy position...

01:11:35.000 I think that we should have absolute data transparency, no mandates.

01:11:39.000 We have so much data.

01:11:39.000 We have too much data.

01:11:40.000 Okay, Danny just had Kevin McKiernan on the Jam Podcast.

01:11:44.000 Let me talk.

01:11:45.000 You let me talk now.

01:11:47.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:11:48.000 You let me talk.

01:11:49.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:11:50.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:11:52.000 And this is not like a debate.

01:11:53.000 I don't see this as a debate.

01:11:54.000 I actually legitimately...

01:11:55.000 I don't think it's a debate either.

01:11:57.000 Hold on, Jack.

01:11:57.000 Why are you so angry?

01:11:59.000 Because I don't trust you.

01:12:00.000 Okay, well... 1.00

01:12:00.000 I think you're full of shit. 1.00

01:12:02.000 And Mary just uncovered why you're full of shit. 1.00

01:12:05.000 Because you can't say yes or no. 1.00

01:12:07.000 Let me just tell you something, Callie.

01:12:09.000 When you say to the American public that my children can't have the shot, so we can't say anything...

01:12:17.000 For anybody else?

01:12:18.000 To me, that's incongruous.

01:12:19.000 So you would argue that Trump and RFK should come out with an immediate ban of the COVID shot today?

01:12:25.000 Absolutely.

01:12:26.000 Is that your recommendation?

01:12:27.000 My point, it should have happened with Operation Warp Speed.

01:12:32.000 It should have happened in the first month.

01:12:33.000 Correct.

01:12:34.000 I think as a policy process, we need to have truth and reconciliation.

01:12:38.000 Let's talk about the policy process of the swine flu.

01:12:41.000 When we had 70...

01:12:43.000 Vaccine injured kids and we pulled it off the market.

01:12:46.000 Hold on.

01:12:46.000 What is the debate?

01:12:47.000 I'm saying there should be an immediate review of the data.

01:12:51.000 That's not the answer.

01:12:53.000 I'm giving my answer.

01:12:54.000 Yeah, but that's not the answer.

01:12:59.000 Why do you think he just wouldn't answer the question?

01:13:03.000 I mean, it is important to point out the fact that he is trained in PR.

01:13:08.000 I believe he worked for a company called Mercury.

01:13:12.000 And he is trained in crisis PR management.

01:13:16.000 And there are people who have worked for Mercury who are now working in the White House itself.

01:13:22.000 So I don't know if that's how he was able to get into the White House or whether his affiliations with Mercury and people in the White House who also have affiliations with Mercury is how he was able to get into the White House.

01:13:36.000 But he is a trained PR crisis management expert.

01:13:41.000 I think it's really important that people understand this when they listen to the way that he dodges questions and the way that he's, you know, you don't see Casey responding to any of these attacks on her publicly.

01:13:52.000 She's having her brother speak for her.

01:13:54.000 And so my question is, has Casey hired her brother, right?

01:13:59.000 I've been told by people that he has been hired to do her PR and her...

01:14:03.000 Crisis management.

01:14:04.000 I've been told that some of these social media influencers who seem to have all these clips ready to go in support of her as soon as it was announced that she was going to be the Surgeon General are getting paid to promote her and to gaslight people into believing that she is worthy of being confirmed in front of the U.S. Senate.

01:14:21.000 Thoughts on any of that?

01:14:23.000 Have you heard any of that?

01:14:24.000 Have you seen any of that?

01:14:26.000 Yeah, and he's very skilled at dodging questions.

01:14:29.000 I mean, that wasn't the first conversation or the last conversation I've had with Callie.

01:14:34.000 I've had several phone conversations.

01:14:36.000 There's been text messages.

01:14:37.000 He will not go on record to state the COVID shot should be pulled off the market, even though he's not willing to get them.

01:14:43.000 He's not going to give them to his kid.

01:14:45.000 He doesn't want his dad to get them.

01:14:48.000 And he's very skilled at just dodging that question.

01:14:51.000 And so, yeah, that was my first...

01:14:54.000 Suspicion about him because he parachuted in.

01:14:59.000 Their book became a bestseller in May of 2024.

01:15:04.000 So just a year ago, right?

01:15:06.000 They had this bestselling book from out of nowhere.

01:15:08.000 And then three months later, Kennedy drops out and joins forces with Trump.

01:15:15.000 And Callie is the one that orchestrated that move.

01:15:19.000 And it just, it all happened so fast.

01:15:22.000 The timing and the intensity just didn't make sense.

01:15:25.000 So I have said that to them, that, you know, I support their message.

01:15:30.000 I think we need clean food and we need to, you know, promote, you know, get help with obesity.

01:15:37.000 But they don't agree with our message.

01:15:41.000 And that's been the problem all along.

01:15:43.000 Yeah, and, you know, I've gotten some flack, like some people have said, oh, you know, why are you having Dr. Bowden come on your show?

01:15:49.000 You know, she's been critical of Trump.

01:15:51.000 Just look, at the end of the day, the position of Surgeon General is supposed to be somebody who can serve as an authority in medicine, as a spokesperson for the medical professionals in our country, and also just people in America looking for public health guidance.

01:16:07.000 And so...

01:16:08.000 I've had conversations with people who have been critical of President Trump, people who didn't vote for President Trump, and people who are doctors who, you know, are diehard MAGA loyalists, people who are friends with the presidents, some people who are members of his own golf clubs.

01:16:21.000 And what's interesting is, regardless of the ideological differences with all of these people, right, some of them are on different levels of the spectrum and where they support Donald Trump, they all came to the same conclusion.

01:16:33.000 Which is hard to find amongst people who vary in their support for President Trump.

01:16:38.000 And that's that she is not qualified, right?

01:16:41.000 Forget about whether or not she's a never-Trumper or a Trump loyalist.

01:16:44.000 Let's just look at her own background and her own qualifications. 0.99

01:16:47.000 And, you know, I'm not one of these people that is going to say that You know, oh, anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists, or, oh, you know, we need to police online information about vaccines, like Jeanette Neuschwat said, where she was congratulating the social media companies for banning people.

01:17:06.000 But I do think that there does need to be a level of decorum and actual respect for real science.

01:17:14.000 I'm not talking about big pharma and forcing people to take vaccines or, you know, telling people not to look at holistic medicine.

01:17:21.000 I'm talking about having respect for medical professionals as a whole and encouraging people to get into medicine because we already have to import doctors.

01:17:31.000 I don't think a lot of people understand this.

01:17:32.000 We are importing surgeons from other countries around the world because we have a shortage of specialists in our country.

01:17:40.000 I'm sure you're aware of that.

01:17:41.000 A lot of people watching probably are not aware of that.

01:17:43.000 There are people in this country who have to travel abroad to get medical care in some instances because they don't have enough specialists in certain areas of medicine in our country because, look, Obama destroyed the medical profession with Obamacare, and now you have these new wave of rogue, self-appointed medical experts who are pushing people away from wanting to be doctors because they're demonizing people for practicing real medicine.

01:18:08.000 And what's going to happen in our country as it relates to public health if you have all these people saying, don't take antibiotics, go take some shrooms, right?

01:18:18.000 I am a critic of vaccines, right?

01:18:22.000 I have called myself an anti-vaxxer.

01:18:24.000 I am not on Big Pharma's payroll.

01:18:26.000 I believe vaccines give children autism, right?

01:18:29.000 I am in favor of people looking at holistic measures to treat themselves.

01:18:35.000 But you cannot say that we...

01:18:38.000 Are not to use any medicine or any type of pharmaceuticals whatsoever to treat people and that the entire medical industry is completely corrupt and that every doctor is evil.

01:18:47.000 I mean, I'm really worried about what it's going to mean for the future of medicine in our country if we have some quack like Casey means as a U.S. Surgeon General. 0.82

01:18:57.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:18:58.000 I mean, you know, in terms of Trump, I voted for him every time.

01:19:03.000 I support Trump.

01:19:05.000 I just...

01:19:06.000 This has never been, I mean, from the start, I'm like, this is not about politics.

01:19:10.000 This is cut and dry about health care, right?

01:19:14.000 Right, exactly.

01:19:15.000 And so, you know, when I speak out about the COVID shots, you know, Trump gets in that conversation.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, look, I'm a Trump loyalist, too, and the reality is that the biggest criticism that Trump received even during his own re-election campaign is when he was talking about the jabs, and I don't know why, you know, eventually his advisors had enough common sense to tell him to stop talking about it, but that would be my only criticism.

01:19:42.000 But I will say Donald Trump never mandated the vaccines, and so while he may feel a sense of accomplishment with Operation Warp Speed, I personally don't agree with that.

01:19:51.000 I never took the vaccine. 0.56

01:19:53.000 I think that President Trump was put in a very screwed up position.

01:19:56.000 We had a bioweapon unleashed on our country by China, funded by our own government. 0.99

01:20:00.000 And, you know, you had Fauci and Birx giving President Trump false information, trying to derail his re-election efforts.

01:20:07.000 And you had people, Donald Trump's not a doctor.

01:20:10.000 He's not a scientist, right?

01:20:12.000 He's hoping that his advisors and his staff are going to provide him with adequate information.

01:20:18.000 And so, you know.

01:20:19.000 I don't think that Trump is to blame for all of this.

01:20:22.000 I think that after the fact where President Trump was doing interviews talking about how amazing the job was and how amazing the job was, I think...

01:20:31.000 There has to be some personal accountability for the words that came out of his mouth.

01:20:35.000 And he corrected the course and he stopped talking about the COVID jobs.

01:20:39.000 You don't hear him mention that anymore.

01:20:41.000 But I think that Donald Trump tried to do the best that he could do given the circumstances.

01:20:46.000 And I do believe that he was sabotaged.

01:20:49.000 I mean, we know that he was sabotaged because there are a lot of doctors who have since come out and spoken about How President Trump was intentionally given false information to derail his presidency?

01:21:06.000 Well, you know, I spoke to somebody today who I probably shouldn't name his name, but he was a special government employee during Operation Warp Speed.

01:21:14.000 And he basically said, you know, Pfizer was limiting the data that they were giving them.

01:21:19.000 So, you know, Pfizer should be on the hook for most of this, if not all, and Moderna.

01:21:25.000 And there is a lawsuit going on right now.

01:21:27.000 Brooke Jackson, whistleblower for Pfizer, who has been just on this five-year mission to sue Pfizer, and the DOJ is preventing them.

01:21:38.000 The DOJ is intervening, and they're not letting this case go forward.

01:21:42.000 So if anybody in the Trump administration is listening to this, if you could just let this play out in the courts, then let the chips fall where they may.

01:21:50.000 But this could resolve the issue.

01:21:54.000 Get this information out, let it go through the court system, and if Pfizer did something wrong, then we need to know about it.

01:22:05.000 Absolutely.

01:22:06.000 I know you have some, you know, some substack writings that you've...

01:22:10.000 You've published on this matter.

01:22:12.000 I want to get those up on the screen and encourage everybody to read your sub stack because, you know, obviously we have limited time tonight and we could be on this podcast for hours talking about all of your incredible findings and all of your great research and all of your reports.

01:22:26.000 But I do want to direct people to your sub stack and you have an article that you published in December titled Is Maha a Misdirection Strategy?

01:22:39.000 I think that everybody should read this article on your Substack.

01:22:42.000 It's drbowden.substack.

01:22:45.000 And I think it raises a really good point and a question that I've asked too.

01:22:49.000 Is Maha a subversive movement?

01:22:51.000 Is it a misdirection strategy?

01:22:54.000 And so if you want to learn more about this and you are starting to notice all of these patterns within Maha and the subversive...

01:23:02.000 Creatures who are trying to undermine Trump and popping out of nowhere and shape-shifting to gain political power.

01:23:09.000 I encourage you all to go to Dr. Bowden's sub stack.

01:23:13.000 Let's get that pulled up on the screen again so people can read it.

01:23:16.000 Full screen.

01:23:17.000 And you have another article too.

01:23:19.000 Let's go ahead and get the other piece pulled up that people should read.

01:23:24.000 And then I want to give you a few moments to, you know, any last comments or words about this.

01:23:30.000 Let's see.

01:23:30.000 The truth about TruMed.

01:23:31.000 So this is another article that you wrote.

01:23:34.000 Conflicts of interest within Maha.

01:23:35.000 Some of what we spoke about tonight regarding, you know, TruMed, the company that was co-founded by Callie Means, who is the brother of the new Trump-appointed Surgeon General nominee.

01:23:48.000 And you can read this sub-stock.

01:23:50.000 I encourage all of you to read it and check it out because This isn't about jealousy.

01:23:55.000 This isn't about, you know, whatever it is all these Maha people online are trying to say.

01:24:00.000 This is about protecting Donald Trump from scandals, preserving the integrity of the medical field, and also being honest with the American people about real conflicts of interest and whether or not people are truly qualified or whether or not they're trying to self-enrich themselves.

01:24:17.000 Comments?

01:24:17.000 Thoughts?

01:24:19.000 Yeah, I mean, the pandemic, I mean, it directly impacted every single American.

01:24:24.000 And, you know, the pandemic is over, but mRNA shots, they're still around.

01:24:30.000 Like I said, all babies are expected to get three mRNA shots by the time they're nine months old.

01:24:35.000 There are 500 mRNA products in the pipeline.

01:24:39.000 So, yeah, you may not be worried about COVID, nor should you be, but...

01:24:45.000 Yeah, there's still a lot of mess that needs to be cleaned up.

01:24:48.000 We need transparency.

01:24:50.000 We need accountability.

01:24:51.000 We need to get these shots pulled off the market.

01:24:54.000 And we need good people in position.

01:24:56.000 And so far, everybody up there, no one, everybody's staying silent on the elephant in the room.

01:25:03.000 And that is highly problematic and it's going to do nothing to restore trust.

01:25:08.000 Absolutely.

01:25:10.000 If you could...

01:25:11.000 You know, provide a list of, I don't know, maybe three to five people who you think could be different alternatives for the position of Surgeon General.

01:25:21.000 Who would they be?

01:25:22.000 Because I do think that there are a lot of people from the Trump administration who watch my show, President Trump included.

01:25:28.000 And, you know, I'm not here to promote any one person over another.

01:25:34.000 I'm not a doctor.

01:25:35.000 I think that there needs to be a panel of doctors to have a discussion and advise the president on selecting a new candidate for surgeon general.

01:25:44.000 I don't think that Bobby Kennedy should be the one to be telling President Trump who the surgeon general pick should be.

01:25:49.000 I think that it should be a group of people who...

01:25:53.000 Didn't work on either campaign.

01:25:54.000 Independent health advisors who come from all different types of backgrounds so that they can come up with a very qualified Surgeon General.

01:26:03.000 Do you have any suggestions for people who the Trump administration should reach out to or potentially look at as a replacement?

01:26:11.000 Well, I think they should heavily consider Kelly Victory, and she would be wonderful.

01:26:17.000 There's Joseph Latipo would be wonderful, the Surgeon General of Florida.

01:26:22.000 Dr. Kirk Milhone, who you may not know, but he's just a wonderful man.

01:26:27.000 He's a pediatric cardiologist.

01:26:29.000 He does missionary work.

01:26:30.000 He's military.

01:26:32.000 Dr. Scott Jensen, he ran for governor of Minnesota.

01:26:36.000 He's just a salt-of-the-earth guy, very well-spoken, very trustworthy.

01:26:42.000 And then Peter McCullough, who has been outspoken from the start, high integrity, also very media savvy.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, you know, I almost think that we need somebody who doesn't want to be a celebrity because it seems like the Trump administration...

01:26:58.000 Right now is being filled with so many people that it's like jockey for press and a lot of people wonder if the people in the Trump administration, a lot of these appointees are more focused on their positions helping Trump or becoming the next Fox News guest host, right, for a primetime slot.

01:27:15.000 So I would almost prefer that we have a Surgeon General who isn't focused on, you know, being a celebrity or a media star because it just seems like, you know, this lady, Casey, promotes herself as a social media influencer. 0.99

01:27:28.000 With an MD at her name, even though she doesn't have an active medical license.

01:27:33.000 So I just kind of wonder if a lot of these people want the position so that they can actually provide a service to the president and fulfill his agenda, or if they can become social media stars and, like I said, enrich their families, sell their books, sell their products, whatever.

01:27:49.000 It doesn't really sit right.

01:27:50.000 Well, I think you can have style and substance.

01:27:53.000 Right now, we're just going with style.

01:27:55.000 But we can have a combination very easily.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:27:58.000 I agree.

01:28:00.000 And that's the thing.

01:28:01.000 I want there to be style and substance.

01:28:03.000 But I think that one of the biggest criticisms of some of the people who are currently in the Trump administration is that there's more focus on style as opposed to substance.

01:28:14.000 Exactly.

01:28:15.000 That's one of the biggest criticisms of Pan Bondi right now, right?

01:28:19.000 Any last thoughts, any last comments, anything that you want the viewers listening to think about or any upcoming subset articles?

01:28:28.000 Well, I just think everybody needs to challenge these people that work for us, that we elected, and don't let them get away with being silent.

01:28:37.000 Silence is compliance and it's unethical if you are in a position of power and you are aware of the dangers of these shots.

01:28:47.000 And you're letting it happen.

01:28:48.000 So I would encourage everybody to just keep speaking out.

01:28:52.000 Do you have any upcoming Substack pieces coming out or anything that you're specifically working on?

01:29:01.000 I'm working on a book, but other than that now.

01:29:04.000 Oh, great.

01:29:05.000 Well, we'll have to have you back on to talk about that when it comes out.

01:29:09.000 Dr. Bowden, I want to thank you so much for spending your Friday evening talking with us and everything that you're doing to speak truth to power.

01:29:16.000 I would encourage everybody to follow your X account where you're dropping receipts and bombshells and holding people accountable every single day.

01:29:25.000 I find your posts to be very insightful and I just really appreciate you taking so much time on a Friday evening to...

01:29:32.000 To inform people, concerned citizens of this country, about what appears to be a serious vetting crisis in the Trump administration.

01:29:41.000 So where do people follow you if they want to read your Substack or view your tweets?

01:29:46.000 It's mdbreed, is my handle, for both Twitter and Substack.

01:29:52.000 Wonderful.

01:29:53.000 Well, Dr. Bowden, thank you so much for coming on tonight.

01:29:55.000 I really appreciate it.

01:29:57.000 Thanks, Laura.

01:29:59.000 Thank you.

01:30:00.000 See you.

01:30:04.000 A lot of receipts there, you guys.

01:30:06.000 A lot of receipts.

01:30:07.000 I would encourage you to look at her Twitter account, look at her sub stack, and look at some of the podcasts that she's done.

01:30:15.000 You know, I think that there's a lot of very damning information, and this is a woman who herself said, why would she be jealous? 0.63

01:30:22.000 She doesn't want to be Surgeon General. 0.90

01:30:23.000 It's not like she's in competition with Casey Means.

01:30:26.000 And I had her on tonight, and there's a lot of people I've spoken to across varying degrees of the political spectrum.

01:30:33.000 Some people, Like Trump.

01:30:34.000 Some people don't like Trump.

01:30:36.000 Some people are super Trump fans.

01:30:37.000 Some people hate Trump.

01:30:38.000 And I've talked to all of them, people in the medical profession who I know.

01:30:41.000 I'm like, what do you think about this?

01:30:42.000 And it's funny because they all came to the same conclusion.

01:30:45.000 And they said this woman is not qualified. 1.00

01:30:47.000 Casey, that is Casey Means, to be the U.S. Surgeon General.

01:30:50.000 So it's not too often that you have people on such polarizing sides of the political spectrum coming together to the same conclusion.

01:31:00.000 Hopefully this information can make it to Donald Trump.

01:31:03.000 I find it to be very alarming that there are people who work for the president to block this information, and then they try to make it seem like I'm a problem.

01:31:13.000 I mean, every day, and after I bring on my next guest, I'm going to have an entire segment dedicated to loomer derangement syndrome just so that you can see the way that they viciously attack me for simply trying to do the right thing. 0.99

01:31:26.000 I'm just trying to...

01:31:28.000 Use my platform and my voice to inform the American people and make sure that the best people surround Donald Trump.

01:31:35.000 I'm not trying to be vindictive or malicious.

01:31:37.000 I want what's best for America.

01:31:39.000 I want what's best for the American people.

01:31:41.000 And I want to protect Donald Trump so that his administration is not sabotaged by people who don't have his best interest.

01:31:47.000 And I really just have a lot of questions about some of the people in the administration.

01:31:53.000 And I...

01:31:55.000 I think that I deserve answers for these questions.

01:31:58.000 And I believe that I speak for a large population of the MAGA movement and people who voted to have President Trump represent them.

01:32:09.000 So the attacks are just out of control.

01:32:12.000 But I can handle it.

01:32:13.000 I'm a big girl.

01:32:14.000 I just find it to be really interesting how they're dedicating so much time with the mainstream media to smearing me for simply providing recommendations.

01:32:23.000 With receipts, with documentation.

01:32:25.000 I'm not on Big Pharma's payroll.

01:32:27.000 It's just factual information that I'm presenting.

01:32:31.000 People can make up their own minds.

01:32:32.000 Clearly it's damning.

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01:34:47.000 And they're always giving their kids soda in their lunchboxes.

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01:36:27.000 Moving on now.

01:36:33.000 You've seen the developments over the last few weeks, really over the last month, since I first invited Justin Goodman, the Senior Vice President of the White Coat Waste Project, to come on my program, Loomer Unleashed.

01:36:45.000 To break stories with me regarding the extension of funding of animal testing under the current Trump administration with our taxpayer money, we had Justin on the program on Tax Day to discuss how $20 billion of your tax money every single year is going towards funding cruel and abusive animal testing experiments and laboratories not just here, but also abroad in places like China.

01:37:09.000 We had some developments this week with President Trump signing an executive order in the Oval Office with the NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. banning gain-of-function, right?

01:37:24.000 Banning the funding of gain-of-function abroad.

01:37:26.000 And what's interesting is that this announcement to stop funding of gain-of-function, which is what led to the COVID pandemic and the lockdowns and, you know, killed 1.2 million American citizens, right?

01:37:41.000 Thanks to China.

01:37:42.000 you And it's not just mice that they're carrying out these experiments on, or bats, as we were told in the beginning of COVID.

01:38:04.000 They're using dogs, and they're using cats, and they're using monkeys, and all types of animals, really.

01:38:11.000 But primarily one of the most popular forms of animal species that is used in a lot of these animal experiments are beagles.

01:38:19.000 And you learned on this program when I had Justin Goodman on the show that beagles are chosen as, you know, like this perfect specimen to be tested on in laboratories by these mad scientists because they're docile in nature and scientists have found that beagles are...

01:38:37.000 you know like the least resistant and they're not going to be aggressive compared to other breeds and so essentially these mad scientists have ruled out the fact that if you want to abuse an animal the best animal to abuse is a beagle because they're not going to bite back and they're going to um I guess just allow you to do whatever you want to them and We've seen a lot of these really horrific experiments that have been uncovered and exposed by White Coat Waste,

01:39:05.000 including the fact that the NIH, which is now led by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, whose headquarters office is out of Bethesda, Maryland, actually had an on-campus beagle lab that was still receiving funding and was set to be importing 24 beagles to their on-campus lab for these abusive experiments.

01:39:24.000 Well, thanks to our reporting, well, thanks to the reporting by White Coat Waste and the reporting here on Loomer.

01:39:29.000 It actually led to an announcement on Fox News this last Sunday by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and we talked about this on Tuesday's episode of Loomer Unleashed, that they were shutting down and closing the Beagle Lab on the NIH campus site.

01:39:46.000 Well, there are still a lot of these abusive animal experiments happening in labs all across the country, right?

01:39:52.000 And so a lot of people were gaslit into thinking that, wow, you know, the Trump administration is ending all beagle testing.

01:39:58.000 False, right?

01:39:58.000 We are still actually funding a lot of these abusive animal experiments in laboratories all across the country with our taxpayer money and also in...

01:40:06.000 We also reported here on Loomer Unleashed, with the exclusive documentation provided by White Coat Waste, these horrific animal experiments that are being done through the DOD, the Department of Defense, under the current Trump administration, where over $10 million has been spent taxpayer money to literally shove marbles and condoms up the rectums of innocent cats to test for erectile dysfunction and electromagnetic shock experiments.

01:40:32.000 Horrific things.

01:40:33.000 I mean, we don't need to be shoving marbles up. 0.99

01:40:35.000 The anus of any animal, let alone a cat. 0.88

01:40:38.000 And I was alerted to the fact that there was going to be an animal rescue this week from some of these beagles across laboratories in our country that have been abused.

01:40:52.000 And now they're going to be able to live a better life after being rescued.

01:40:55.000 And a lot of people wondered, where do these beagles go after they get rescued from the laboratories?

01:41:01.000 Well, in many cases, some of them have been euthanized.

01:41:04.000 Luckily, there's an amazing organization out there called Kindness Ranch, and Kindness Ranch dedicates itself to traveling the country, rescuing these abused lab animals, specifically beagles, and they take them to a ranch that's located in Wyoming, and they find them homes, and they give them a better life so that they don't have to die in a laboratory or be tortured for the rest of their life in a laboratory.

01:41:26.000 And what's amazing about this organization, Kindness Ranch, is that...

01:41:30.000 They help find homes for these animals, and it doesn't matter how old the beagle is, they will try to find it a home so that it can live a better life.

01:41:41.000 We have an exclusive report.

01:41:43.000 We can exclusively report that as of this week and over the next few weeks, Kindness Ranch is going to be saving 100 lab beagles, and they are going to be working with White Coat Waste to urge the Trump administration to retire all animals from NIH.

01:41:59.000 Funded laboratories.

01:42:01.000 We're going to be publishing this report tonight on Lumard.com.

01:42:05.000 I wanted to break the news first here live on air, but I'll read a little bit of this report.

01:42:10.000 On May 4th, 2025, the Trump administration's National Institutes of Health shut down the last Beagle experimentation lab inside its Maryland headquarters following a nine-year campaign led by the watchdog group White Coat Waste.

01:42:22.000 And thank you to Elon Musk for investigating this because right after he replied to my tweet and said that he was going to investigate they announced that they were shutting it down.

01:42:31.000 Now we can exclusively report tonight that more beagles have been rescued from cruel government testing.

01:42:36.000 White Coat Waste and the Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary have offered to partner with the Trump administration to relocate animals from taxpayer-funded labs, and they have rescued 100 beagles from abusive testing labs.

01:42:48.000 So joining me now to discuss this and to also release live on air these never-before-seen videos and photos from this beagle rescue, this heroic beagle rescue this week by John.

01:43:01.000 John Raymer of Kindness Ranch is John Raymer himself, the executive director of Kindness Ranch.

01:43:07.000 So, John, thank you so much for taking time to join me and thank you for your heroic actions this week.

01:43:13.000 I know we've been communicating all week long.

01:43:16.000 You were going to come on earlier in the week, but I thought that it would be better to end the week with, you know, the total amount of the dogs that you have rescued this week since...

01:43:25.000 Every day this week you've been involved in traveling the country rescuing these animals.

01:43:30.000 So thank you for joining me tonight.

01:43:32.000 Thank you so much for having me on and letting us share our victories this week and for the upcoming weeks.

01:43:39.000 We're really excited to go out and get even more dogs.

01:43:43.000 Absolutely.

01:43:44.000 We have not published these videos yet, and we have not published the photos, so this is going to be the first time anybody has seen this.

01:43:50.000 But what can you tell us about this mission that you have engaged in this week through your organization, Kindness Ranch, to save from this report that we're now releasing?

01:44:02.000 It was going to be 70 beagles, but it's my understanding that you rescued even more beagles today, so now the number is 100 beagles that you have saved.

01:44:14.000 Yes, by the first week of June we will have placed at least 101 beagles into different organizations that we partner with to find homes.

01:44:27.000 Ranging from actually Canada to California to North Carolina, all over the place, because although we have a facility in Wyoming, it's really difficult to house that many beagles in a single facility and successfully place them into homes.

01:44:45.000 Kindness Ranch was founded in 2007 by Dr. Grubman after he heard about animal testing and vivisection.

01:44:54.000 And worked very quietly for years and years to just retire animals from laboratory testing facilities, predominantly surrounding Wyoming.

01:45:05.000 There's a lot of animal testing that goes on in Colorado.

01:45:09.000 Which is really ironic given the fact that Colorado is like hippy-dippy-ville, right?

01:45:15.000 Colorado is really ground zero.

01:45:17.000 And I know you're an animal organization, so we don't need to have a big political conversation here.

01:45:23.000 But it is kind of funny given the fact that all of the anti-Trump campaigns out of Colorado to try to strip Donald Trump from being on the ballot this last election season came out of Colorado.

01:45:34.000 And so it's ironic given the fact that Trump's really the only president that's taking a stand against animal testing and animal cruelty.

01:45:41.000 And Colorado is where all these liberal organizations.

01:45:44.000 And these, like, tree hugger organizations are based out of.

01:45:47.000 And yet it's one of the states where they're carrying out some of the most abusive and horrific experiments on animals.

01:45:54.000 So I just wanted to get that little jab in because just more hypocrisy, in my opinion, from these organizations.

01:46:00.000 But continue.

01:46:02.000 Well, we have gotten literally thousands of animals out of animal testing in Colorado.

01:46:10.000 And the flip side of that, which is the happy ending part, is we've also placed thousands of dogs and cats into private homes in Colorado.

01:46:19.000 So it is kind of a full circle thing.

01:46:22.000 But given the last couple of years with the Invego breeding facility being shut down and 4,000 beagles needing placed, And now with the recent spotlight on the NIH facility closing, Kindness Ranch kind of felt that it was time that we not just quietly stand in the background anymore.

01:46:45.000 And we're proud of the work that we've done with Justin and White Coat Waste over the last couple of years.

01:46:51.000 We're proud of the advocacy that we've done in D.C. We threw our support behind Nancy Mace recently for introducing Violet's Law to make mandatory retirement a thing.

01:47:04.000 And we hope that our local representative, Lummis, will also support it as well.

01:47:08.000 Yeah, let's go ahead and get that article pulled up on the screen, because Nancy Mace, of course, has been very outspoken and representative from South Carolina. 1.00

01:47:17.000 She's been speaking out against the Monkey Island, where they're torturing a lot of animals, a lot of monkeys, in these abusive experiments. 0.51

01:47:25.000 But also, she's a big dog lover. 0.99

01:47:27.000 We've had Nancy Mace on the program before. 1.00

01:47:29.000 I love her heart that she has for animals, and she's been a big advocate of white coat waste. 0.98

01:47:36.000 Was very vocal against Fauci for these cruel experiments when white coat waste exposed to the world.

01:47:43.000 The fact that Fauci was releasing fruit flies and other types of insects into these cages and laboratories where they were eating beagles alive and they were just watching these beagles suffer and struggle.

01:47:56.000 Without any pain management whatsoever.

01:47:59.000 And so let's get the article back on the screen because I want to go through it so people are familiar with this law.

01:48:04.000 So Rep.

01:48:04.000 Nancy Mace introduces a bill to allow laboratory animals to be retired, adopted.

01:48:10.000 Nancy Mace has reintroduced, and I believe that's you.

01:48:12.000 That's you with Nancy Mace.

01:48:14.000 Reintroduced Violet's Law, a bill named after a dog saved from a taxpayer-funded experimentation lab by White Coat Waste Project.

01:48:20.000 Wow, they're just like racking up so many W's this week.

01:48:23.000 You know, maybe they need to change their abbreviation to WWW because all they do is win.

01:48:29.000 And it requires all federal labs to allow animals to be retired and adopted out when testing ends.

01:48:35.000 The legislation's reintroduction comes after it was supported by a bipartisan group of dozens of co-sponsors but did not move forward in 2023.

01:48:42.000 There are more than 40,000 regulated animals locked in federal labs each year, according to the Medical Watchdog and Animal Rights Group.

01:48:50.000 White Coat Lace is the group that blew the lid off the National Institute's health funding of gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China, and exposed longtime NIH physician Anthony Fauci for, let's scroll up, abusing his authority, science, and taxpayers when he was the head of the NIH.

01:49:05.000 Uh, Any thoughts?

01:49:09.000 I know we saw this week President Trump.

01:49:11.000 In addition to Nancy Mace proposing this legislation, we also saw President Trump hold a press conference in the Oval Office to ban gain-of-function funding.

01:49:23.000 Any thoughts on that as somebody who travels the country rescuing animals in these laboratories where they're doing a lot of gain-of-function research?

01:49:32.000 I have a lot of personal feelings about that.

01:49:35.000 I'm proud of President Trump and the steps that he's taking for it.

01:49:38.000 On a professional level, kindness ranch, we focus only on what happens when the dogs get out of research and when the animals get out.

01:49:48.000 We don't publicly advocate against it, but we can all agree that beagles and cats are bipartisan and that as As humans, we should be treating them better.

01:50:04.000 We should be better stewards and we should absolutely not be torturing animals.

01:50:10.000 And like I said before, with the recent spotlight on this, now is the time to act as the public is becoming more aware of the millions upon millions of dollars being spent that is by design being spent in very secretive ways behind closed doors with these people.

01:50:31.000 Harming these animals.

01:50:32.000 There's no need to be euthanizing all of these animals for medical experiments that very, very rarely, if ever, transfer to humans.

01:50:42.000 Absolutely.

01:50:44.000 Before we go ahead and play these video clips for you and the viewers tonight of these very heroic rescue operations that you carried out this week, if you can tell us in detail kind of what your week was like because you...

01:50:59.000 We're very busy this week rescuing all these beagles.

01:51:03.000 If you can just kind of paint the picture and paint the scene for the viewers about how this process goes down and how you were able to get inside these laboratories to rescue all these dogs and just kind of start to finish from the moment you wake up to the end of the day, what it's like in the day of rescuing these tortured animals from these laboratories.

01:51:25.000 Well, I spend the majority of my day sending out about 200 emails to testing facilities all over the country, trying to introduce myself, what we offer to these testing facilities with a confidential retirement of the animals when they're no longer used, and then wait for responses.

01:51:44.000 And I would say 99% of the time my emails are ignored, and then we get the sudden influx like we have in the last week and a half, two weeks.

01:51:54.000 Especially again with the public awareness of the NIH facility and what's going on there, a lot of these research facilities now have chosen to get out ahead of the negative press on what they're doing.

01:52:09.000 And my email box was just blowing up with people wanting to release animals that are no longer being used.

01:52:18.000 One of these facilities we've worked with for quite some time and they're in the process of phasing out almost all of their animal testing and will be closing in the next couple of years.

01:52:32.000 That facility was in Colorado and then we got the phone call from a facility in Houston, Texas, which is where I'm at right now.

01:52:42.000 And then we'll be going back to Colorado to pick up even more dogs.

01:52:47.000 All of the dogs that we've released this last week were used in flea and tick and topical medication research which can sound non-invasive but as we develop longer term treatments for flea and ticks they have to be injected with these new chemicals and then exposed to massive amounts of fleas and ticks and a lot of discomfort can be involved in

01:53:17.000 that but some of these dogs have been in long-term studies where they've been what's called recycled which means that they stay in contract facilities for their entire lives and are exposed to multiple different forms of research and two of the dogs that we got this week were both 11 years old and they were born in a That's

01:53:50.000 so awful.

01:53:51.000 I mean, how do you even rehabilitate a dog like that?

01:53:55.000 I mean, the amount of anxiety and stress that a dog who is 11 years old who's never been able to go outside, I mean, how do you even begin to rehabilitate an animal like that?

01:54:06.000 That's my amazing crew at Kindness Ranch.

01:54:09.000 We have...

01:54:10.000 Dedicated caretakers that actually live and care with these dogs 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

01:54:17.000 And they expose them to everything from a TV for the first time, the smell of coffee being made in the morning, to the joy of being able to use a dog door and go in and out as they please.

01:54:31.000 A bittersweet story with one of the 11-year-old dogs that we just got out.

01:54:36.000 This boy went outside for the very first time in his life and found the steps going down into the yard and had never used steps before and actually fell down one step and just laid there traumatized from what had just happened.

01:54:52.000 You could tell that he'd never experienced anything like that before.

01:54:56.000 And when he stood up and realized that he was okay and was touching grass and dirt for the very first time, got the zoomies and ran around for the next five minutes acting like an eight-week-old puppy for a little bit.

01:55:08.000 It's so heartwarming when we see how quickly some of these dogs can bounce back from a life of trauma.

01:55:16.000 And we have that never-before-seen clip here that you provided to us, so we're going to go ahead and play that clip now.

01:55:23.000 You made it up the steps.

01:55:26.000 You made it up the steps right on.

01:55:30.000 You're outside.

01:55:31.000 What do you think about this?

01:55:33.000 What do you think about this?

01:55:38.000 You're outside for the first time That's so sweet.

01:55:52.000 So you said you're in Texas right now, but the ranch is located in Wyoming, and we're going to show some more clips of some of these dogs that you rescued this week.

01:56:03.000 So how do you transport them, and do they stay with you when you're at the hotel, or do they go straight back to Wyoming?

01:56:09.000 It must be a really big, heavy-duty operation because I imagine that you're driving these dogs, or maybe you're flying them.

01:56:16.000 Perhaps you can...

01:56:17.000 Explain how your operation works in case there's people watching who want to donate to support what you do, or perhaps they have vehicles or modes of transportation to assist you in transporting these animals.

01:56:31.000 Well, thank you.

01:56:32.000 I wish that we were a big operation.

01:56:37.000 My wife and I usually do most of the transports ourselves in a Dodge van, and we drive.

01:56:44.000 Constantly.

01:56:45.000 My wife is an absolute machine. 1.00

01:56:47.000 She's in the van right now driving back to our little town in Wyoming with her daughter, Jess, with the 26 dogs.

01:56:55.000 They're going to drive straight through and arrive tomorrow morning.

01:57:01.000 I'm hoping to be able to fly in and meet them there early.

01:57:07.000 It's an insane endeavor that the The transport, the care, it's absolutely overwhelming at times.

01:57:21.000 And when we look at the calendar moving forward and all of the miles, we're going to log in our van going from Texas to our little town of just 64 people in Hartville, Wyoming, to Los Angeles.

01:57:33.000 And then we'll be headed down to the Gulf Coast in a couple of weeks to get even more dogs.

01:57:40.000 Well, if we had the funding, we would happily buy another van and hire another transport person so my wife could actually spend some time at home. 1.00

01:57:50.000 What is that cost?

01:57:53.000 I mean, what are we talking about financially?

01:57:55.000 Like, how much money would it be to buy one of these vans?

01:57:58.000 You know, I'm just trying to understand, like, how this all works, because you're saying she's transporting 26 of these dogs back, and you're saying it's going to be straight through.

01:58:06.000 How many times does your wife and its two people in the van have to stop to let these dogs out to go to the bathroom? 1.00

01:58:13.000 Because I have four dogs, and I know that whenever I drive my dogs, it's like, you know, every two hours I'm stopping because I have little dogs, you know, and they have, like, little tiny bladders.

01:58:21.000 So, unless I want pee all over my car.

01:58:24.000 So, how...

01:58:26.000 That's a lot of dogs, like for two people to be letting out to use the bathroom and whatnot.

01:58:30.000 So what is that like if you're driving across the country in one straight shot having to let all these dogs out to go to the bathroom?

01:58:36.000 And where do you stop?

01:58:38.000 We have found that, strangely enough, Love's Truck Stops have amazing little dog parks for us to stop at, and we'll let each dog out.

01:58:47.000 We stop roughly about every four hours.

01:58:49.000 We're also a USDA-regulated facility, so we have to have an exercise plan in place for these dogs that we abide by.

01:58:56.000 And so we stop about every four hours at Love's Truck Stops and fill up the van, go to the dog park, let the dogs stretch their legs a little bit.

01:59:05.000 Some of the dogs...

01:59:06.000 Since they've never been outside before and they don't like humans, are a little too severe of a flight risk, so we can't let them out.

01:59:15.000 So we let them run around and pee in the back of the van and then go after them.

01:59:21.000 The cost of our vans, for our Dodge Promaster 3500 van, we paid about $70,000 for that and then another.

01:59:31.000 $10,000 for the air conditioning and customization of it.

01:59:35.000 And to transport 26 dogs, house them for a month, do spays, neuters, dentals, and get them ready for adoption.

01:59:46.000 On average, for about that number of dogs, we're looking at between $25,000 to $35,000 a month just for that.

01:59:55.000 That simple base level of care that you have to look at.

02:00:00.000 How many of these dogs are you rescuing every single year just so we can understand what the financial toll on this organization is?

02:00:07.000 We're averaging about 550 dogs a year right now.

02:00:11.000 Wow.

02:00:13.000 What is your overall budget in terms of what it takes to run this operation to save all these dogs, these 550 beagles?

02:00:25.000 Help find homes for them.

02:00:28.000 Last year, we do a lot with a very small budget.

02:00:31.000 One of the benefits of being in Wyoming is the cost of living is fairly low.

02:00:36.000 We rehomed around 700 dogs and cats last year with an operating budget of $2.3 million.

02:00:44.000 Wow, and it's mostly grassroots donations, or how do you raise your money?

02:00:49.000 It's 100% private donations with a small number of Foundations and bequests thrown in.

02:00:58.000 Wow.

02:00:59.000 Well, I want to help you out, and I want to create a GiveSendGo account, and I'm going to create a GiveSendGo for you, and I'm going to use my platform and my Twitter account to help you guys buy a new van.

02:01:12.000 And I want to create a GiveSendGo with a goal of $80,000 so that we can try to help you and your wife get your dream of getting another...

02:01:22.000 Another van so that you can help rescue more of these dogs.

02:01:25.000 So that's what I want to do for you because, you know, I have a lot of followers and a lot of generous followers and supporters who believe in animal rescue and they've been very touched by the work of White Coat Waste and I'm very touched by, you know, the work that you're doing to rescue these animals and as somebody who has four dogs myself, three of them are rescues.

02:01:45.000 Animal rescue is very near and dear to my heart and...

02:01:50.000 I'd like to believe that the Trump administration is going to do good by these animals and that President Trump just hasn't been made aware of the extent of all of these laboratories and animal testing, but that deep down he has a very kind heart and believes in ending animal cruelty.

02:02:07.000 I'm very focused on trying to deliver this message to the Trump administration so that we can try to get these cruel laboratories and the funding for these experiments shut down because Yeah, I just think it needs to end.

02:02:21.000 So that's my commitment to you.

02:02:23.000 And I'm going to, you know, do what I can over these next few weeks to try to help you hit your goals so that you guys can get a new van.

02:02:31.000 That is absolutely incredible and so unexpected.

02:02:34.000 Thank you so much.

02:02:36.000 It's when people with a platform like yours become aware of something like this and jump in to help it, it really makes the world a better place.

02:02:44.000 And I greatly appreciate that and you for doing this.

02:02:49.000 Absolutely.

02:02:50.000 It's my pleasure.

02:02:51.000 I want to thank you for what you're doing.

02:02:52.000 I want to play some more of these clips and show some more of these videos because we have even more photos of these dogs that you rescued this week just so people can see.

02:03:01.000 The process so I'm just gonna go ahead and start showing some of these back-to-back Here's some of the photos.

02:03:10.000 We'll show the photos first some of the dogs The

02:03:42.000 most amazing part of that transformation is they went from being so scared and shut down in the crates when we first loaded them up to less than 24 hours later, smiling and experiencing sunlight outside.

02:03:55.000 It's so, so bittersweet to see them become the happy, functioning, balanced dogs that they were intended to be.

02:04:04.000 How does the process work?

02:04:06.000 I find it to be so incredible.

02:04:08.000 How do you get these laboratories to agree to allow you to come and take these dogs when they would otherwise be euthanized?

02:04:17.000 It is quite the process, and sometimes it goes from just the caretakers that they hire.

02:04:25.000 You know, the scientists aren't the ones that are caring for the dogs while they're confined.

02:04:30.000 The research facility that houses them has to hire caretakers to make sure that the dogs are fed and watered and they actually have veterinarians on staff.

02:04:39.000 And just through social awareness campaigns and sharing our social media posts, some of these caretakers learn of what we do and then they approach the lab owners or the people funding the research and ask that the animals be released.

02:04:57.000 This one facility here in Houston, they had no idea that a facility such as ours even existed until I literally showed up and knocked on their door.

02:05:07.000 And when they answered the door and let me in and I told them who I was, they were so caught off guard that they just let this big animal rights advocate into their facility.

02:05:20.000 But they listened to me.

02:05:23.000 They heard the services that we offer at no cost to them.

02:05:28.000 And I was just informed today that they are now a full no-kill animal testing facility and that every animal that can be safely sent to us will be moving forward.

02:05:42.000 And three years ago, they didn't know that we even existed.

02:05:45.000 And now they're trying to make the turn to be more ethical in the work that's being done.

02:05:50.000 Which animal retirement is a great stepping stone, but federally funded animal torture does need to stop.

02:05:59.000 Absolutely, it needs to stop.

02:06:00.000 And I think that a lot of Americans were horrified when I had Justin Goodman on my show to learn that their taxpayer money was going towards funding these horrific experiments, which is why I decided to have him on my show.

02:06:15.000 on tax day, April 15th, because I think it kind of like hits differently when you realize that after you just sent this big check or payment to the IRS, that they're literally using your money for taxpayer funded animal torture.

02:06:27.000 So when you go and you try to find these labs, how do you find these labs?

02:06:32.000 Are you given tips by whistleblowers who reach out to you, animal rights activists?

02:06:38.000 Do you have to, like, call around?

02:06:40.000 Because I imagine that a lot of these labs are also private labs, and they probably have, you know, No signage.

02:06:47.000 It's probably really hidden, and you have to really, you know, investigate their location.

02:06:52.000 So what's the process of you finding these labs, you know, just to get people to agree?

02:06:59.000 Because I'm sure that you said a lot of these labs don't even know you exist.

02:07:02.000 So what's the process like of finding a lab, identifying a lab, and convincing them to let you inside to take these dogs?

02:07:12.000 Well, I'll preface that with saying that the groups that we choose to work with, like White Coat Waste, we're very, very selective because a lot of the animal rights groups are a little bit more extreme and want to shame the individual without the understanding that what these research facilities are doing I'll be,

02:07:40.000 I don't consider it truly moral.

02:07:43.000 It's not illegal.

02:07:45.000 And in most cases, it's actually very highly encouraged by federal agencies such as the NIH, the FDA, and sometimes even the EPA.

02:07:57.000 So I take a more subtle approach.

02:08:01.000 I'll look on employment websites like Indeed and look for animal caretaker jobs and actually find contact information that way.

02:08:14.000 The USDA has a searchable database of the animal research that they've approved and have records of, and you can actually find some NIH facilities through USDA searches on their website.

02:08:30.000 Working with organizations like White Coat Waste and the information that they get from their FOIA requests, they can sometimes share contact information that they've been made privy to.

02:08:43.000 And I'll just reach out with an email introduction and hopefully somebody will respond.

02:08:48.000 Most of the time they don't.

02:08:49.000 But once I get in working well with a lab and they see that we're confidential, they see that we protect the publicly sensitive information.

02:08:59.000 You know, a lot of the stuff that they're doing is intellectual property.

02:09:03.000 It's private by design.

02:09:05.000 And of course they want to protect that.

02:09:08.000 We offer that protection for them in exchange for the animals coming out alive instead of euthanized.

02:09:16.000 So it's a sensitive, behind-the-scenes endeavor that over the years we've...

02:09:23.000 Been successful in getting word of mouth through the research facilities that we work with, that we're a trusted organization.

02:09:32.000 That's really incredible work.

02:09:34.000 And so how many laboratories would you say that you now partner with every single year on a continued basis that are still engaged in animal testing, but have agreed to?

02:09:45.000 Not kill or euthanize these dogs and instead turn them over to you.

02:09:49.000 If you can release that information, how many labs would you say you partner with?

02:09:53.000 Right now we partner with just 11. I'm in communication with a little over 20. And you rescue, you say, 550.

02:10:06.000 Your goal is to rescue 550 per year.

02:10:09.000 How many?

02:10:10.000 Of those dogs would you say end up dying?

02:10:12.000 I mean, you rescue 550, but how many dogs within these research facilities of the 550, because there's more than 550, I imagine, have died before you can rescue them, so that people can kind of have an understanding of how many of these dogs are actually being killed in these shelters?

02:10:28.000 We get out less than 1% of all dogs being tested on nationwide.

02:10:34.000 Wow, that's so sad.

02:10:36.000 That is so sad.

02:10:38.000 How many beagles would you say per year are bred specifically by these government-funded breeders for the sake of being tested on?

02:10:47.000 And I know that we discussed before I had you on the show tonight, and I talked about this with Justin, they specifically want beagles and these research documents and the FOIA requests that Justin has obtained at White Coat Ways show.

02:11:00.000 That they actually mention they choose beagles because they're docile and they're not going to be aggressive and bite back or fight and resist the animal abuse like a lot of other breeds would.

02:11:10.000 And they're not as strong as some of these other breeds that are very muscular and would put up a fight or, you know, not be very good research specimens.

02:11:21.000 I just...

02:11:24.000 I think that we need to get the numbers to put this into perspective for the average person listening to this when they think of the $20 billion each year that's going towards these animal torture experiments.

02:11:35.000 How many beagles would you say, maybe you have the numbers, maybe you don't, are being bred every single year for the purpose of animal testing?

02:11:44.000 It's my understanding that last year at the end of 2024 there was a little over 42,000 beagles bred specifically for animal testing.

02:11:54.000 How many of them die each year?

02:11:57.000 How many of them are killed of the 42,000?

02:12:01.000 How many of those beagles die each year? 0.91

02:12:04.000 It's near impossible to tell because there's no disclosure policies nationwide.

02:12:13.000 When states enact a mandatory retirement plan without a disclosure policy attached to it, there's no tracking of how many dogs actually make it out of research facilities alive.

02:12:25.000 So the labs are left to be accountable to themselves without saying what happens to all of these dogs.

02:12:37.000 You know, if they euthanize a dog, that has to be logged in their records, of course, but then when the veterinary board looks at that as opposed to the USDA, none of that stuff is shared publicly, which again goes back to the very secretive, almost cloak and dagger nature of animal testing.

02:12:55.000 So, you know, in hopes as soon as animal retirement from Research is mandatory or policy nationwide.

02:13:05.000 We'll be able to track how many dogs actually make it out alive.

02:13:09.000 Because right now there's no way of knowing.

02:13:14.000 Totally out of control.

02:13:16.000 I understand that you are also going to be having a gala coming up soon too where people can buy tickets and they can attend your gala and they can support the work that you're doing.

02:13:28.000 What can you tell us about this gala and this event in case people watching want to attend or they want to donate?

02:13:33.000 Because I think that the work that you're doing is very important and more people need to be supporting this type of work.

02:13:43.000 Well, thank you.

02:13:45.000 October 18th, we're having a gala event in Denver.

02:13:48.000 We've rented a wonderful facility.

02:13:50.000 We have some phenomenal guest speakers arriving.

02:13:53.000 We have Justin Goodman and Anthony Bellotti from White Coat Waste coming that will be talking at the event.

02:14:00.000 We have the...

02:14:02.000 Director of Frost Fund in California coming out.

02:14:06.000 The Executive Director of the Beagle Alliance in Canada coming out.

02:14:10.000 Our canine behaviorists will be there also speaking.

02:14:14.000 Live music from Sid Drees, who is a finalist on The Voice.

02:14:18.000 It's going to be a great, great event.

02:14:21.000 Tickets are just $100 to be able to come and meet all of these wonderful people.

02:14:27.000 I'd highly recommend showing up.

02:14:29.000 It's our first ever real gala event and attempt at speaking publicly, which I'm not all that good at, but I'm going to give it a shot.

02:14:39.000 I want to come to that gala.

02:14:41.000 I think that'd be a good event to attend and would love to support that.

02:14:46.000 So I know we had that up on the screen right there.

02:14:48.000 That's on your website.

02:14:49.000 So if people want to buy tickets or they just want to make a donation, they go to kindnessranch.org.

02:14:58.000 Yes, kindnessranch.org.

02:15:00.000 We also have pictures of all of our adoptable animals and an adoption application.

02:15:05.000 We have wonderful facilities in Wyoming that you can come, everything from a primitive campground.

02:15:13.000 To guest yurts, which aren't the canvas-type yurts.

02:15:17.000 They're very beautiful, well-built, stick-built yurts. 0.93

02:15:20.000 We even have a large manor that can easily sleep 10 people if you want to come out with a group retreat and spend a week and volunteer and just hang out with some of the animals and see what we do.

02:15:34.000 Wow, so you can actually go and stay on the property and volunteer and basically go glamping.

02:15:42.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:15:43.000 And if you wanted to take a beagle back to your yurt or your tent at night, you can.

02:15:48.000 Really?

02:15:48.000 So you can sleep with the dog and then you can basically teach the dog what it's like to have cuddles and be snuggled at night by an owner.

02:15:57.000 Yeah, you can be part of the rehabilitation process.

02:16:01.000 Man, that sounds like my dream vacation, although I feel like that'd be really dangerous.

02:16:06.000 I'd probably leave with more dogs. 0.73

02:16:09.000 I want more dogs.

02:16:10.000 Well, you know, we were lucky enough that we now have 16 Starlink installations throughout the property, so we have good enough internet you could come out and stream from there if you wanted to.

02:16:22.000 Wow, that's amazing.

02:16:24.000 So you use Starlink.

02:16:27.000 That'd be really nice if Elon Musk were to somehow find out about your need for another van.

02:16:33.000 And who knows, you know?

02:16:34.000 Who knows?

02:16:35.000 Maybe Elon Musk would help buy another van.

02:16:37.000 You never know.

02:16:38.000 I mean...

02:16:38.000 I'm going to tweet this out.

02:16:40.000 Sometimes he sees my content.

02:16:42.000 I mean, look, he's the richest man in the world, so you never know.

02:16:44.000 It would be nice, right?

02:16:45.000 It would be nice.

02:16:45.000 There's a lot of really rich people.

02:16:46.000 I wouldn't turn it down, for sure.

02:16:48.000 Who knows?

02:16:48.000 But you are a facility that is utilizing Elon Starlink.

02:16:53.000 So Starlink is being used to help save these beagles.

02:16:55.000 That's very nice to know.

02:16:58.000 We're almost off the grid out where we're at.

02:17:00.000 We don't have landline phones.

02:17:03.000 We have no cell phone signals.

02:17:05.000 So we had to use something.

02:17:07.000 And when Starlink became available, I was an early adopter for sure.

02:17:11.000 And now it's all over our 1,200-acre property out there.

02:17:15.000 And so you're the owner of this 1,200-acre property or your organization is the owner and you live on the ranch and then you just take care of these animals and live with them 24-7?

02:17:25.000 I'm not the owner.

02:17:26.000 The organization is.

02:17:28.000 And yeah, we have a staff of about 20 people that live on the property full-time caring for all of our animals.

02:17:35.000 We have everything from the dogs and cats to cows, pigs, horses, goats, sheeps, llamas.

02:17:42.000 It's a real ranch, but the only difference is that all of our animals are from research facilities.

02:17:50.000 Wow, that's incredible.

02:17:51.000 That's amazing.

02:17:52.000 I mean, you don't have to say if you don't want to, but...

02:17:55.000 Like, who owns the land?

02:17:56.000 That's pretty, like, nice that they allow for, you know, this massive sanctuary so that people can just, you know, hang out with animals and rescue them.

02:18:05.000 I mean, that's a lot of property.

02:18:06.000 That's really nice.

02:18:07.000 You don't have to say if you don't want to.

02:18:08.000 I just think that it's pretty heroic.

02:18:11.000 It's pretty heroic, in my opinion.

02:18:14.000 When Dr. Grubman had the vision for the sanctuary, it was purpose-bought and built by his own money to found the sanctuary in 2007.

02:18:23.000 Wow.

02:18:24.000 And he's been nice enough to come.

02:18:29.000 He comes and visits, and he's still involved, but it's pretty much self-sustaining at this point and just getting bigger.

02:18:37.000 And hopefully in the next 10 to 12 years, there won't be animal testing anymore, and we can all just vacation out there.

02:18:48.000 Yeah, I mean, hopefully animal testing ends, but that's...

02:18:52.000 That's really amazing.

02:18:53.000 I didn't know that you could actually camp out with the dogs there and volunteer for a week.

02:18:59.000 I want to go to Wyoming and check it out.

02:19:00.000 I'm going to have to come down to the ranch.

02:19:02.000 So if people want to adopt one of these beagles, because I see people in the comments right now, let's go to the chat because I know that we have a few people that are asking questions.

02:19:12.000 People are interested in this.

02:19:16.000 Let's see.

02:19:17.000 Let's see.

02:19:19.000 Anybody want a dog?

02:19:21.000 Now's your time.

02:19:22.000 If you want to rescue a dog, put it in the chat.

02:19:25.000 I know that there's a few people who have told me in the chat before that they want to get a dog.

02:19:30.000 I'm always talking about my rescue, so everybody's laughing at me in the chat right now.

02:19:34.000 They're like, oh no, Laura's going to get a fifth dog. 0.99

02:19:38.000 I'm always talking about how I have so many dogs.

02:19:42.000 If people watching, listening, or when we clip this episode and we put it out, Want to adopt one of these dogs?

02:19:48.000 What's the process if they want to adopt from Kindness Ranch?

02:19:52.000 Do they need to physically go to Wyoming to get these dogs, or do you arrange for transport?

02:19:57.000 How does it work?

02:19:58.000 We highly encourage people to come out and spend a night or two.

02:20:04.000 These dogs are so special, and their pasts will be carried with them.

02:20:10.000 So it usually works out best when people come out, spend a night or two and take a dog back to their yurt with them when they're on the property and spend the night with a dog that they're interested in to make sure that it's a good fit.

02:20:24.000 And like you, if you have a lot of dogs, you can bring your dogs with you and introduce a new dog to the pack while you're there and make sure that it's a good fit instead of going through the adoption process and transporting a dog, say, to Seattle and it not working out and then having to bring the dog back.

02:20:44.000 For well-vetted adopters, we...

02:20:48.000 Have the adoption application.

02:20:50.000 We'll do a video site visit and make sure that you have a secure fenced-in yard for the dog and that you have, you know, preferably a dog door.

02:20:59.000 You just meet some basic qualifications and we can assist in helping arrange transport, but transport is usually arranged by the adopters.

02:21:10.000 Work on a very tight budget, so we don't have all of that at our disposal.

02:21:15.000 A second van would definitely help with that.

02:21:19.000 Well, we're going to be creating a give-and-go, and hopefully we can help you raise the $80,000.

02:21:24.000 Are you sure that's the number?

02:21:26.000 Because I don't want you to lowball me.

02:21:27.000 We want to try to get the real number here.

02:21:29.000 What does it really cost?

02:21:31.000 That seems kind of low, $80,000.

02:21:33.000 What's the real number?

02:21:34.000 The real number is closer to about $140,000.

02:21:37.000 After we have to have AC put in, we have to have floor drains put in, we have to have all of the tie-downs and a special floor.

02:21:46.000 It can add up pretty quick, but we're about 140,000 into the van that we have now.

02:21:51.000 Wow, 140,000.

02:21:54.000 That's amazing.

02:21:55.000 And where do you get these vans?

02:21:56.000 Where do you get these vans from?

02:21:59.000 We buy them from a Dodge dealership in Denver.

02:22:05.000 That's just what we've worked with.

02:22:06.000 We're open to other brands.

02:22:08.000 I knew you were being too modest and cheap about it.

02:22:10.000 I was like, there's no way.

02:22:12.000 There's no way that a van like that is only $80,000.

02:22:16.000 Now I got the real number out of you, $140,000.

02:22:19.000 Well, we buy base models and slowly add to them as we can.

02:22:23.000 So that's what I'm used to.

02:22:24.000 Obviously, if you're going to be transporting that many dogs, that's not going to be the cost of a regular band.

02:22:30.000 So that sounds more reasonable, honestly, than $80,000, $140,000.

02:22:34.000 So I just wanted to know because we have a lot of really generous supporters here.

02:22:38.000 When the Furry Friends Animal Rescue in Florida was destroyed, we were able to raise $50,000 for them.

02:22:44.000 That's where I adopted one of my dogs, rescued one of my dogs who's blind, when the tornado destroyed the animal shelter, and my supporters are just so incredible, and they sprung into action, and within a week, we were able to raise $50,000.

02:23:00.000 So I think that we'll be able to, hopefully, you know, I'm hoping, hoping we'll be able to raise the full $140,000, because that would be pretty amazing to be able to...

02:23:10.000 Help you guys get another van so that you can rescue more of these dogs that are being tortured.

02:23:15.000 You know, that's the least we could do.

02:23:17.000 I mean, given the fact that our taxpayer money against our own will is being used to finance all this animal torture.

02:23:24.000 You know, it's unfortunate that you unknowingly pay for it with your taxes and then a nonprofit has to be formed and solicit more money from taxpayers to clean up the mess that they've unknowingly paid for to start with.

02:23:38.000 It's a vicious circle.

02:23:39.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:23:41.000 Any last comments?

02:23:42.000 Any last thoughts?

02:23:43.000 I am hopeful that in the next few weeks, hopefully, we'll see statements from maybe the Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth.

02:23:51.000 I don't know, maybe more statements from NIH about these continued animal abuse experiments on taxpayer dime.

02:23:59.000 Look, it's great that they're shutting down the on-campus lab.

02:24:02.000 Or the beagles at NIH, but I was told that they also have a primate lab on campus.

02:24:06.000 So what about all these other animal testing labs at NIH headquarters or these other animal experimentation laboratories that are being funded by our taxpayer money?

02:24:17.000 Hopefully we see some more action on this because, look, regardless of whether you're a Trump supporter, we talk about political affiliation so much here, but...

02:24:27.000 There's so many people on both sides of the aisle that are just totally neutralized when it comes to animals.

02:24:33.000 I find that animals are the great uniter.

02:24:36.000 And I think we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, regardless of our religion, I mean, maybe.

02:24:42.000 There's some religions that aren't so nice to dogs.

02:24:45.000 We don't have to talk about that, though.

02:24:47.000 But, you know, you'd like to think that regardless of people's background and their race and their creed and their religion and their political affiliation, that...

02:24:56.000 We can all at least agree that torturing animals is wrong and it's unethical and it's immoral and it should definitely not be funded by our taxpayer dollars.

02:25:06.000 So I'm certainly going to be using my platform to highlight these issues more because I think that animal testing in this day and age with AI and all this advancement in technology, I'm not justifying it at any stage, but I guess it was somewhat understandable.

02:25:25.000 Decades and decades and decades ago, I'm not justifying it, but all these excuses that they make, like, oh, we needed it for medical advancements, right?

02:25:34.000 Maybe you could give these people the benefit of the doubt, but now that the science has proven that there's really no scientific evidence that suggests that doing these tests on mice or dogs or cats translates into the same science for human beings.

02:25:54.000 There's no excuse for it.

02:25:55.000 There's no excuse for it, especially when these AI models, with the advancement of technology, can produce better results or better predictions for how a human being is going to react to something as opposed to torturing an animal in a laboratory.

02:26:09.000 So I think that now that our science and technology has definitely evolved and it's more advanced than the most advanced it's ever been, there really should be absolutely zero tolerance, in my opinion, for any animal testing at all.

02:26:24.000 When you break it down to the, well, as Justin says at White Coat Waste, stop the money, stop the madness.

02:26:33.000 The financial incentivization of breeding dogs and selling them to research is so institutionalized and it's such a comfort zone on so many levels for these facilities.

02:26:46.000 The FDA very plainly says that They are more comfortable reading the results that they're provided from animal testing than they are from AI.

02:26:58.000 So we have to move the money from these facilities paying an average of $3,000 per dog to test on them to put that money into AI.

02:27:12.000 If you're working with an AI model and you make a mistake, no living creature has to die.

02:27:18.000 If you're testing on a dog and you make a mistake, that dog is dead and you have to go buy another one and put that one at risk as well.

02:27:27.000 So it's just this horrible, horrible, vicious cycle that with just shifting the money and making AI more financially...

02:27:41.000 And more broadly accepted, we can put an end to this in the next few years.

02:27:47.000 We have the technology that we could put an end to most of it now, but there's no financial gain for these companies.

02:27:55.000 When you think of the 42,000 dogs last year that were bred for research at an average cost of $3,000 per dog, why would you shut down?

02:28:05.000 It doesn't cost that much to breed dogs.

02:28:07.000 That's huge.

02:28:09.000 Potential for a profit margin right there.

02:28:12.000 And getting all of that money out of it and making the shift to AI is just a no-brainer.

02:28:19.000 We can do better as human beings and be better stewards of our environment just by ending this needless torture on animals.

02:28:29.000 Absolutely.

02:28:30.000 I mean, it's a no-brainer.

02:28:33.000 Any last comments?

02:28:34.000 Any last thoughts?

02:28:35.000 I think we played all these videos, and we are going to be posting these videos on Loomer Unleashed.

02:28:41.000 We have a couple more videos, actually.

02:28:43.000 Let's go ahead and play the rest of these videos, and then, you know, look if you can see your final thoughts.

02:28:48.000 But we have more of these exclusive videos that you took this week while you were rescuing these animals, so let's go ahead and play the rest of them.

02:28:56.000 This old-timer's 11 years old, spent his entire life in a research facility.

02:29:06.000 Today is this little girl's first day of freedom outside of research.

02:29:13.000 She was born in a lab, lived in a lab, and today it's raining and she gets to experience rain and grass for the very first time.

02:29:22.000 She was born in a lab.

02:29:32.000 You're home.

02:29:33.000 Go to babies.

02:29:40.000 Thank you.

02:29:40.000 I guess that's one way to say welcome home, huh?

02:29:44.000 I don't understand.

02:29:46.000 They're born in a lab and they live in a lab and they never touch grass.

02:29:49.000 How do they allow these dogs to use the bathroom? 1.00

02:29:52.000 Are they just letting these animals live in their own filth and piss and shit? 1.00

02:29:57.000 How does that work? 1.00

02:29:58.000 Because don't they take these dogs outside to use the bathroom? 1.00

02:30:02.000 It's crazy to me that they don't have a facility where these dogs can use the bathroom.

02:30:07.000 A lot of the facilities that we work with, the dogs live in basically the equivalent of a human prison cell just with a drain in the floor and pine shavings and the caretakers just go in and clean it up.

02:30:25.000 A lot of the dogs...

02:30:27.000 Dogs are inherently a clean creature and a lot of the dogs develop a habit of actually eating their own feces to keep their living area clean.

02:30:36.000 And that's one of the things that we have to overcome and work with regularly with a lot of the dogs that we get out.

02:30:42.000 It's a really unfortunate side effect of confinement for these guys.

02:30:48.000 Do they eat their feces? 0.97

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:54.000 Not the happy note that I'm sure you wanted to end on, but it's an unfortunate reality for a lot of these dogs.

02:31:02.000 They just want their living area to be clean.

02:31:06.000 So is it hard to pot?

02:31:08.000 I mean, I'm dealing with potty training right now.

02:31:10.000 Is it hard?

02:31:11.000 Like a lot of these dogs are seniors.

02:31:13.000 You said, how do you potty train a dog like that? 0.74

02:31:16.000 Or how do you condition a dog that has been trained to live in a confined space like that?

02:31:21.000 How do you train them?

02:31:23.000 To be normalized into, you know, using the bathroom outside or going for walks and not eating their own feces.

02:31:31.000 Every dog house environment that we have at the sanctuary, each dog has its own dog door.

02:31:38.000 And we've found that over time and with just mild encouragement, the dogs prefer going outside instead of peeing and pooping in their living area.

02:31:52.000 So once they learn that they have that availability to go in and out as they please and as they need to, they ultimately end up potty training themselves.

02:32:02.000 And then there is an adjustment period when they go to a new adopted home because it's so overwhelming for them.

02:32:11.000 You know, going from such a desensitized state to being flooded with all of the outside stimuli from...

02:32:19.000 Traffic and sirens and phones ringing and all of the noises that you and I would take for granted.

02:32:26.000 It's just absolutely overstimulating and overwhelming for them.

02:32:30.000 So there's always going to be this adjustment period when a research animal goes into a home for a first time.

02:32:36.000 So they're not going to be completely potty trained by the time they go into a home, but they have a good head start and they know that the possibility is there.

02:32:45.000 They will look for a place outside of the home to go eventually.

02:32:49.000 Wow, that's so incredible.

02:32:51.000 It's amazing work that you're doing, just completely transforming the lives of these innocent animals.

02:32:57.000 So it shows you how abused they are.

02:33:02.000 People just think of, oh, you know, they're tested on, but they don't think of the living conditions and how barbaric it is that they don't even get to go outside to use the bathroom.

02:33:12.000 So they're just trapped in a prison cell.

02:33:15.000 Literally held hostage.

02:33:17.000 I didn't even realize that until I learned that from you and Justin.

02:33:21.000 I thought that they at least took the research animals outside to use the bathroom, and so when I found out that they don't even let them go outside to use the bathroom, it's like a whole other level of torture and abuse when you think of sensory deprivation.

02:33:35.000 They justify it because going outside and touching grass and being in dirt introduces variables to research.

02:33:44.000 They have to come from a very controlled environment, and that sterleness is what they command for research animals and how they justify it.

02:33:57.000 All of these places are also...

02:34:00.000 Regulated through the AFIS Animal Welfare Act and the USDA.

02:34:05.000 And they're supposed to have exercise plans in place.

02:34:09.000 And some of those exercise plans I've seen were concrete basement floors with a little wire pen set up.

02:34:19.000 And the caretaker would just throw a ball into this wire pen, kind of like a crib for a baby.

02:34:27.000 Let the dog basically lay down on the floor for 15 minutes and put it back in a crate and grab the next dog.

02:34:34.000 And that's the extent of the enrichment that some of these dogs have gotten over the years.

02:34:39.000 It's really, really sad because we know that these dogs can be and should be so much more than just this manipulated test subject.

02:34:51.000 Do you see that a lot of these dogs have an extreme turnaround?

02:34:55.000 Like, when you rescue them, do you see that eventually they become very normalized, or do they live with that trauma forever?

02:35:02.000 Because, you know, I've rescued dogs, and I, you know, it takes a long time.

02:35:05.000 Like, it takes six months to a year, in my opinion, for a dog to really kind of develop.

02:35:11.000 And, you know, the dog that I rescued that was blind only is now starting to, you know, like, not flinch when you...

02:35:19.000 When you go to pick him up or when he hears a loud noise, right?

02:35:22.000 Yeah.

02:35:27.000 The dog didn't want to sleep next to anybody at first and was kind of uncomfortable being cuddled by a human.

02:35:34.000 And now it's taken about six months and now the dog, of course, wakes up and wants to cuddle and comes over.

02:35:40.000 But even with dogs that...

02:35:42.000 Have not been kept in crates and in laboratories for their entire life.

02:35:47.000 I find it hard when you rescue a dog for the dog to socialize until about a year passes after you adopt them and rescue them.

02:35:54.000 Do you have some happy stories you could share with us of some of these dogs that have been rescued that have turned their life around or have completely different lives now?

02:36:06.000 There's one dog that jumps to mind immediately when you say that.

02:36:10.000 A lot of the dogs will carry trauma with them throughout their lives and certain things will trigger them.

02:36:17.000 My dog, Uno, who I've taken to Capitol Hill several times now to meet with people and show the success stories, he still has severe barrier reactivity and he's scared to death to go through new doors for the first time.

02:36:33.000 But the dog that jumps to mind...

02:36:37.000 Off your question is a dog named Flash that was given to us from a research facility because he was mentally suffering being confined.

02:36:49.000 And all he would do is run circles in his kennel all day long.

02:36:57.000 Caretakers or researchers would pick up the dog to test.

02:37:01.000 He would get really, really squirmy is the word I was told.

02:37:07.000 And he would start to bite some of the people doing research on him.

02:37:12.000 And usually when a dog bites somebody in a research facility, they're just immediately euthanized because they're considered to pose a risk to the people there.

02:37:22.000 And this facility did the right thing and they reached out to us.

02:37:26.000 And we started to work with Flash for, oh geez, months on end.

02:37:32.000 And we found this amazing adopter that really wanted to work with Flash to overcome all of his trauma.

02:37:45.000 K-9 behaviorist that partners with us, Chelsea Marino at Command K-9.

02:37:52.000 And Flash is now just the happiest, loving...

02:37:56.000 Oh, he's just an amazing couch potato.

02:38:00.000 And I see pictures of him and he's just relaxed.

02:38:04.000 He's enjoying his new life with his family.

02:38:06.000 He goes out and actually lays in the grass instead of his past life of just running circles on a concrete floor.

02:38:13.000 He's an actual...

02:38:15.000 Family member now and when I see these successes, it just inspires me to raise our numbers from 500 dogs a year to a thousand.

02:38:26.000 I just want to keep doing this over and over and over because these dogs deserve better and the families that bring them in, their lives are forever changed for the better as well by opening up their doors to one of these dogs.

02:38:41.000 It's incredible.

02:38:41.000 It makes you want to tear up.

02:38:42.000 It almost makes me tear up right now just talking about it.

02:38:46.000 So sad, but it's such important work and I hope that people watching and listening will support your organization and that they will also consider adopting.

02:38:55.000 Any last thoughts?

02:38:57.000 Any last comments before I let you go tonight?

02:39:02.000 With the spotlights that there are on all of the New legislation being introduced, the NIH facility being closed down, DOD, any federally funded research.

02:39:18.000 Kindness Ranch has the partners, the resources, and the ability to take all of these animals, or at least at a bare minimum, assist in the placement of them.

02:39:28.000 And we don't ask for much to get this done, but we want to be involved.

02:39:34.000 We want to help, and we can.

02:39:35.000 We've proven that we can.

02:39:37.000 And thank you, Laura, so much for your kindness and using your platform to raise awareness to this.

02:39:45.000 Getting these places shut down is only the tip of the iceberg, and getting all of these animals safe and outside of research facilities is the next logical step.

02:39:56.000 Absolutely.

02:39:56.000 And we'll do whatever we can here at Loomer Unleashed to keep raising awareness about this issue.

02:40:02.000 I encourage everybody to go to your website, kindnessranch.org, to make a donation or to fill out paperwork to adopt one of these rescued lab beagles.

02:40:12.000 John, where do people go to follow you on social media?

02:40:16.000 Or if they want to contact you and they want to get involved and support your work, how can they actually contact you and follow you?

02:40:25.000 Most of our social media is Facebook and Instagram.

02:40:28.000 That's where all of our adopters have groups that get together and talk about the stuff that they've overcome.

02:40:34.000 You can send an email to info at kindnessranch.org to reach out with more generalized questions, and you can find and follow me just at John V. Raymer on all socials.

02:40:46.000 Wonderful.

02:40:48.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on tonight.

02:40:50.000 I really appreciate it.

02:40:51.000 We're going to be publishing these videos that you sent us on social media along with the Give, Send, Go link that I'm going to create.

02:40:58.000 And so hopefully people will help you in your mission of getting another van.

02:41:05.000 Thank you so much, Laura.

02:41:06.000 It's been a privilege to speak with you.

02:41:08.000 Thanks for coming on.

02:41:09.000 Appreciate it.

02:41:11.000 Thank you.

02:41:13.000 Incredible organization doing amazing work to save.

02:41:16.000 The most vulnerable members of our society, innocent animals that are being locked away in laboratories and tortured.

02:41:23.000 I want to go ahead and go to the chat.

02:41:27.000 Put your comments and thoughts and questions in the chat.

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02:41:43.000 Breaking news.

02:41:44.000 Laura Loomer has been cancelled.

02:41:46.000 The President of the United States has refused to take her phone calls as he suspects she is soon to be arrested.

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02:41:55.000 We want to hear from you, the listener, and get your opinion on whether or not...

02:41:59.000 Man, I tell you, I heard, I heard she got cancelled. 1.00

02:42:01.000 We coming for you, bitch. 1.00

02:42:03.000 We coming to your house, Laura Loomer. 1.00

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02:42:06.000 We coming for you right now.

02:42:07.000 We coming for your friends.

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02:42:14.000 I hope she dies. 1.00

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02:42:17.000 She is described as armed and dangerous.

02:42:19.000 I just can't believe she's been getting away with it for this.

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02:44:04.000 Before we close out tonight, God, it's been so crazy.

02:44:08.000 There's so much Loomer Derangement Syndrome.

02:44:10.000 We're going to have a Loomer Derangement Syndrome segment on this show going forward because these people in the media, they're just so crazy.

02:44:18.000 Like, they're non-stop attacks.

02:44:19.000 So, I guess every single week I'm just going to pick the most deranged clips and I'm just going to show them.

02:44:24.000 To all of you so you can see how crazy some of these people are.

02:44:27.000 We had Jimmy Kimmel last night.

02:44:29.000 Jimmy Kimmel decided to attack me for pointing out the obvious fact that the new Pope, the American Pope, the first American Pope is anti-Trump, pro-open borders, pro-legal alien, right?

02:44:42.000 Dug up his old social media.

02:44:43.000 There's an article up on Loomer.com right now that you can read if you're interested documenting all of the anti-Trump comments and statements made by this new Pope.

02:44:52.000 If you want to check it out, visit loomrood.com.

02:44:54.000 It's on the front page of the website right now.

02:44:56.000 And you can see all those receipts and screenshots yourself.

02:45:00.000 Oh, there it is.

02:45:01.000 It's the first article on the site.

02:45:02.000 Click on that.

02:45:06.000 Scroll down.

02:45:07.000 Hope Robert Prevost's long history of attacking President Trump and embracing open borders policy.

02:45:13.000 So we have all the screenshots of the tweets.

02:45:15.000 Scroll down.

02:45:15.000 You can see all the screenshots calling J.D. Vance a liar, saying all types of things about President Trump.

02:45:22.000 You can see all the screenshots there. 0.80

02:45:24.000 So, I just pointed this out.

02:45:26.000 I just pointed out the fact that he appears to have some pro-open borders Marxist takes and that he's a Trump-hater, and Jimmy Kimmel decided to pounce on that.

02:45:34.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

02:45:37.000 Bloomer derangement syndrome, this is what we call this.

02:45:40.000 Looney Laura Loomer says Catholics don't have anything good to look forward to. 0.95

02:45:44.000 Just another Marxist puppet in the Vatican. 0.99

02:45:47.000 This guy says the newly selected Pope trash Trump, trash vans, trash border enforcement, endorsed dreamer-style illegal immigration, repeatedly praised and honored George Floyd, and endorsed a Democrat senator's call for more gun control. 0.99

02:45:59.000 To which Cat Turn 2 said, this is so bad. 0.98

02:46:03.000 And another guy, I was considering becoming a Catholic, not anymore.

02:46:09.000 What a loss for the faith.

02:46:11.000 Trump just hit the Vatican with an 80% tariff on pointy hats.

02:46:16.000 But this is the new pope.

02:46:18.000 This is Cardinal Robert Provost.

02:46:20.000 He is a native of Chicago.

02:46:21.000 He went to Villanova University where he majored in poping.

02:46:26.000 You know, they make him pick a name.

02:46:28.000 He chose the name Leo XIV, which is a shame because there have been 13 other Leos.

02:46:35.000 We've never had even one Pope Bob, which would have been pretty great.

02:46:39.000 How have there been so many popes named Leo?

02:46:42.000 Leo doesn't even sound like a pope name.

02:46:43.000 Sounds more like the altar boy who got high and ate all the communion wafers.

02:46:47.000 Leo.

02:46:48.000 So congratulations to him.

02:46:50.000 This is an historic era we are living.

02:46:52.000 We have an American pope and a Russian president.

02:46:55.000 Isn't it incredible?

02:46:57.000 President Trump finally announced that...

02:47:01.000 He finally announced...

02:47:05.000 There's Trump Derangement Syndrome and then there's Loomer Derangement Syndrome.

02:47:09.000 We also have a clip from CNN's Brian Stelter.

02:47:12.000 You know Brian Stelter, one of the biggest purveyors of fake news.

02:47:16.000 Biggest Trump haters.

02:47:18.000 And now he seems to have found another fixation.

02:47:21.000 Loomer Derangement Syndrome.

02:47:23.000 I believe we have several CNN clips.

02:47:26.000 Let's go ahead and get the Brian Stelter clip up.

02:47:30.000 Go ahead and play the clip.

02:47:33.000 We are following the breaking news.

02:47:34.000 Sources say National Security Advisor Mike Waltz will leave the Trump administration here in the coming days.

02:47:40.000 Remember, it was just over a month ago that editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg published this piece detailing what happened after Waltz accidentally added him to a Signal group chat discussing plans for airstrikes on Yemen.

02:47:54.000 CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter is here with more on the media's impact on this firestorm.

02:48:00.000 Brian, full disclosure, you know Jeffrey Goldberg.

02:48:04.000 Did he ever tell you exactly how he wound up in the group chat?

02:48:09.000 What his theory is about why Walt's had him in his phone contacts?

02:48:16.000 He was coy about that and didn't want to talk about his relationship with Waltz in the past.

02:48:21.000 I've checked in the Goldberg again today.

02:48:22.000 He's not commenting on this news about Waltz's expected departure.

02:48:25.000 But The Atlantic is out with a notably sympathetic column about Waltz today, basically saying, look, Trump has an allergy to expertise.

02:48:33.000 He doesn't want to know about national security.

02:48:35.000 And so it makes sense that the national security aid is now in the discard pile.

02:48:39.000 That's the take on The Atlantic website this afternoon.

02:48:42.000 It's also really telling who is celebrating this news today, including Laura Loomer.

02:48:47.000 Who is Loomer?

02:48:48.000 She is a far-right Internet activist, online personality with a sordid history of conspiracy theories, and she loves to pick fights online. 1.00

02:48:57.000 Loomer is considered so toxic by some Trump aides that they've tried to keep her out of meetings with President Trump in the past.

02:49:04.000 But you might remember about a month ago, Loomer was able to get into the Oval Office and have face And today she is celebrating this, you know, report.

02:49:16.000 She's basically saying she's winning scalps and she's telling her colleague Steve Contorno that there's a vetting crisis, a broader vetting crisis inside the White House.

02:49:24.000 She says that in that Oval Office meeting a month ago, she was going to raise concerns about Mike Waltz directly to Trump, but then Waltz entered the room.

02:49:31.000 And so she is essentially saying that Waltz is one of the many figures who needs to be out of this White House because they're insufficiently loyal to President Trump.

02:49:40.000 She refers to it as a vetting crisis.

02:49:42.000 She's on X today celebrating.

02:49:44.000 But the people that she would consider qualified for jobs in the White House, the people who she would consider appropriate to work with Trump, I think that's a very different list than what kind of a normal mainstream America would consider the appropriate people to be in the White House working with President Trump.

02:50:01.000 And it was the defense secretary who put information on that signal group chat that by various agency standards you would expect to be classified.

02:50:11.000 But it was really Waltz's position that was undercut at the White House.

02:50:16.000 Talk a little bit about that, Brian.

02:50:20.000 And Hegseth, of course, has been perhaps the most sycophantic in his praise of President Trump in recent weeks.

02:50:28.000 You know, if you go back and look at that cabinet meeting earlier this week, it was a very competitive situation with these cabinet secretaries and others going over the top in their support of Trump.

02:50:39.000 But Hegseth has been right at the top of that list, working harder than ever in order to earn Trump's, I don't know if respect is the right word, but keep his job as defense.

02:50:50.000 Ultimately, though, SignalGate, as we started to call it about a month ago, it's not going away, right?

02:50:55.000 Just this week, there was an attempt in Congress to hold folks accountable and to follow up on SignalGate.

02:51:00.000 This is not going to go away, even though Mike Waltz is reportedly going to be going away from his role as National Security Advisor.

02:51:06.000 This is something that continues to haunt this White House.

02:51:09.000 Trump, just a couple days ago at ABC, said the lesson of it is that people shouldn't use Signal.

02:51:14.000 And that, well, that might be one takeaway.

02:51:17.000 Signal use is widespread.

02:51:19.000 And there are many other lessons that could be taken away from it.

02:51:22.000 We don't know what Hegseth has learned because, you know, he's been in denial about the entire ordeal.

02:51:26.000 It was really interesting, Brian, because just yesterday, Waltz was in a cabinet meeting praising the president this morning.

02:51:33.000 He had an appearance on Fox News touting this new minerals deal with Ukraine.

02:51:38.000 His response to this controversy seemingly may not have helped his case, right?

02:51:43.000 Thank you.

02:51:49.000 Yeah, it's so crazy the way they react.

02:51:52.000 It really is another form of a derangement syndrome, in my opinion.

02:51:56.000 But at least they're highlighting the vetting crisis.

02:51:58.000 I mean, that's the subject of tonight's show.

02:52:00.000 White House vetting crisis worsens.

02:52:01.000 I'm not being malicious.

02:52:03.000 I'm just telling the truth.

02:52:05.000 And he says, Laura Loomer is so toxic that even some Trump aides have tried to keep her out. 0.90

02:52:11.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:52:11.000 We all know that it's not about being toxic. 0.87

02:52:14.000 It's about being jealous.

02:52:16.000 People are just jealous that they don't have the brain power.

02:52:18.000 Some of them.

02:52:19.000 Some of the people who work for the president are not very bright.

02:52:22.000 Some of them are.

02:52:23.000 Some of them aren't.

02:52:25.000 Just a fact.

02:52:27.000 So, yeah.

02:52:28.000 I guess some people are going to be professionally jealous. 0.80

02:52:30.000 I mean, that's what's happening here is people are very professionally jealous that they don't have the intellectual capacity to come up with the information that I come up with.

02:52:40.000 And they lash out.

02:52:41.000 And the way they lash out is by gatekeeping.

02:52:43.000 So, look.

02:52:45.000 Gatekeep at your own expense.

02:52:47.000 Let's play this other clip here from Dana Bash, another Trump hater, formerly married to Jeremy Bash, who is one of the 51 spies who lied.

02:53:01.000 So all these people are just total Trump haters.

02:53:04.000 And I say gatekeep at your own expense because Who are you really benefiting by gatekeeping when they say, oh, Laura Loomer is so toxic, you know, oh, you know, Laura Loomer is so toxic, even Trump needs to keep her out. 0.93

02:53:16.000 Gatekeep at your own expense.

02:53:18.000 You are going to harm our national security.

02:53:20.000 You are going to harm President Trump.

02:53:22.000 You are going to harm our country if you continue to gatekeep.

02:53:26.000 Information.

02:53:27.000 And you prevent Trump loyalists from trying to give the president of the United States information that is going to help him make better decisions, help him protect himself.

02:53:36.000 So, yeah, gatekeep at your own expense because if the Democrats take over again and they're able to impeach Donald Trump or, you know, a bad apple slips through the non-existent vetting process, well, yeah.

02:53:47.000 It's going to have a blowback on everybody in the Trump administration because as we've seen, they're not just going to come after Donald Trump.

02:53:53.000 They're going to attack everybody who works for him too.

02:53:56.000 They like weaponizing government. 1.00

02:53:57.000 So remember that.

02:53:58.000 Next time you want to gatekeep, gatekeep at your own expense.

02:54:01.000 This has nothing to do with anybody being toxic.

02:54:04.000 It's all about professional jealousy.

02:54:07.000 That's fine.

02:54:08.000 I don't care if people want to hate me.

02:54:09.000 That's all right.

02:54:10.000 It's not about me.

02:54:11.000 This is about the country.

02:54:12.000 This is about the mission, helping Donald Trump.

02:54:15.000 We can all put our egos aside and And we don't have to be friends.

02:54:19.000 I'm not asking you to hold my hand and sing kumbaya or come have a sleepover with me.

02:54:23.000 I'm not even asking you to go have lunch with me.

02:54:26.000 But we need to, people need to work together to support the president and make sure that he has the best information possible.

02:54:33.000 I don't care if people like me.

02:54:37.000 I really don't care.

02:54:40.000 Go ahead and play this clip from Dana Bash.

02:54:46.000 Welcome to Inside Politics.

02:54:48.000 I'm Dana Bash in Washington, and we are following breaking news.

02:54:51.000 National Security Advisor Mike Waltz is expected to leave his post in the Trump administration as National Security Advisor.

02:54:59.000 It is the first top staff shakeup of President Trump's second term.

02:55:04.000 Of course, Waltz has been in a precarious position with the president after...

02:55:10.000 He accidentally added a reporter to a group chat about upcoming military strikes.

02:55:15.000 We're going to get right to this.

02:55:16.000 Here with me now is CNN's Caitlin Collins, alongside CNN's Jeff Zeleny, Dasha Burns of Politico, and Mario Parker of Bloomberg.

02:55:25.000 Caitlin, what are you hearing from your sources?

02:55:27.000 I mean, this is...

02:55:29.000 ...since SignalGate happened...

02:55:37.000 Strong standing inside the White House.

02:55:39.000 I mean, I remember this morning, someone predicted to me back during the transition, before Trump even took office, that Mike Waltz would likely be the first one to go.

02:55:46.000 And now he is marking the first major staff departure of President Trump's second term.

02:55:52.000 And really, his job has kind of been in limbo all week.

02:55:54.000 We had heard earlier this week that something was going on with him.

02:55:58.000 Officials insisted to us yesterday that his job was safe.

02:56:01.000 But there was a moment that CNN saw on Tuesday when the president was going to Michigan on his 100 days in office.

02:56:07.000 And Mike Waltz, we noticed, traveled on Marine One with him.

02:56:10.000 But ten minutes later, you see at Joint Base Andrews, that's his figure.

02:56:13.000 He does not get on Air Force One.

02:56:16.000 It's only about a ten minute flight, so it's extremely odd to take the helicopter flight and then not actually go on the trip.

02:56:22.000 I was told he was not supposed to go on the trip.

02:56:24.000 And so people raised questions about what this moment meant.

02:56:27.000 So we've been asking White House officials about it.

02:56:29.000 And essentially it just got to a point where he didn't have a lot of confidence, not of the president, not of his senior staff.

02:56:35.000 And he was told, I was told earlier this week, that his time as the National Security Advisor had come to an end and it was time for him to leave.

02:56:42.000 And now we are told that he will be departing and so will his top deputy.

02:56:45.000 So the world got to know him through his very, very unfortunate error of adding Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic to Signal Gate.

02:56:53.000 But just by way of background, this is an important sort of detail, which is that, first of all, Mike Waltz is a very serious person.

02:57:02.000 He is a former Green Beret.

02:57:04.000 He's a four-time Bronze Star winner.

02:57:06.000 That all happened, that service, military services, obviously well before he ran for Congress.

02:57:13.000 As part of his sort of

02:57:26.000 And so my understanding, and I'm curious what you all are hearing, is that never mind SignalGate, it was that very fundamental mistrust of him and skepticism of him and his perspective about the world that was also problematic.

02:57:45.000 It absolutely was.

02:57:47.000 And I think Signal Gate was the reason for his departure, but not really what led up to it.

02:57:53.000 And one of those pictures we just showed so interesting of Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff, despite their Florida roots, many, many Floridians inside the West Wing, including those two, I'm told that she has...

02:58:07.000 Not been at odds with him necessarily, but not impressed by his work.

02:58:13.000 He is a hawk.

02:58:14.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:58:14.000 I mean, there's been a lot of flexibility among some advisers.

02:58:17.000 Marco Rubio also comes to mind.

02:58:18.000 I mean, long before he joined this administration, he too would have been in the hawkish side of the Republican Party.

02:58:24.000 But this is the Trump era.

02:58:25.000 So Walls definitely did not necessarily fit this, but he was qualified in, you know...

02:58:31.000 Many other ways.

02:58:32.000 And a lot of Republicans who I talked to at the transition were actually happy he was in the West Wing because they thought that he would sort of bring stability and things.

02:58:41.000 But back to that point that Caitlin showed.

02:58:42.000 That video is so fascinating.

02:58:44.000 What it doesn't show...

02:58:45.000 The defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, is on the plane.

02:58:48.000 And he flew to Michigan with the president.

02:58:51.000 And I'm told the president throughout the day embraced the defense secretary.

02:58:55.000 Yesterday at the cabinet meeting, it was so clear.

02:58:58.000 So when you sort of step back to this, why Wall is not Hegseth?

02:59:01.000 Because, as Caitlin said, he invited...

02:59:04.000 Jeffrey Goldberg into the chat, and that was sort of seen as the original sin.

02:59:08.000 And can I just say that that was captured by our photographers who were excellent, Jay McMichael and Christine Lean, who were there and spotted this and noticed that he didn't get on.

02:59:15.000 Obviously, they are just as good as reporters as we are.

02:59:18.000 Mike Waltz has been fighting for his job this week, though, ever since then.

02:59:21.000 He was in the Cabinet meeting yesterday.

02:59:22.000 He did Fox& Friends this morning.

02:59:24.000 I mean, he has certainly been doing the things that you would do to try to stay inside the administration.

02:59:28.000 By the way, why Waltz and not Hegseth?

02:59:30.000 Also, to the point that you were making, Dana, he was not seen as one of us in terms of the MAGA movement.

02:59:35.000 So often on these issues, especially of foreign policy, it was Waltz and Ruby on one side and Vance, Wyckoff and the others on the other.

02:59:43.000 We've been reporting for over a month now, ever since Signalgate, that Waltz was on the chopping block, that it was a ticking time bomb.

02:59:51.000 The reason that he wasn't fired immediately after Signalgate was simply because Trump and the White House did not want to give the media a scalp.

02:59:59.000 But this has been a long time coming.

03:00:01.000 And again, Signalgate was More a byproduct rather than a reason for his ouster.

03:00:06.000 Do you remember the Laura Loomer list?

03:00:08.000 Yes.

03:00:08.000 Sure.

03:00:09.000 She came in.

03:00:09.000 You reported on this.

03:00:11.000 And she had a long list of people, not sure where she got it, but a long list of people on the national security front who were not considered loyalists, but it was obviously much more than that.

03:00:24.000 Mike Waltz was on that list.

03:00:26.000 Right, absolutely.

03:00:27.000 And to the point of the other panelists, the fact that he was known as a more traditional Republican, hawkish in nature, which is in direct contrast to the Make America Great Again foreign doctrine.

03:00:38.000 But I want to take another step back as well, back to that cabinet meeting yesterday.

03:00:42.000 One of the things that was striking was how many of the cabinet officials suddenly gave an endorsement to Hegseth, right?

03:00:49.000 Namely Lee Zeldin yesterday as well, who kind of gave an impassioned defense.

03:00:53.000 We're talking about the greatest defense and national security head of his recent memory.

03:01:01.000 What that signaled, I think, was that the rest of the West Wing were favoring Hegseth over Walts.

03:01:09.000 If the president had to make this decision sometime this week, they were casting their votes on which one would be to go.

03:01:16.000 Can we also talk, I mean, Dana, obviously longtime Capitol Hill reporter, how Speaker Mike Johnson is viewing this?

03:01:22.000 Trump took several House members to put them in his cabinet.

03:01:25.000 National Security Advisor is a cabinet-level position.

03:01:28.000 None of them are now in it.

03:01:29.000 Because Matt Gaetz obviously did not go on to be Attorney General.

03:01:31.000 Elise Stefanik had her nomination then pulled. 1.00

03:01:35.000 And then Mike Waltz, of course, now is the first major departure.

03:01:38.000 Scaramucci is kind of mocking, you know, just how short his tenure was, saying, I think, that he had nine Scaramuccis.

03:01:44.000 But it speaks to the level of this is something the White House wanted to do for a while, but they all wanted to wait until that 100-day period had hit.

03:01:52.000 They didn't want anything to happen too soon.

03:01:54.000 I'm so glad you brought up...

03:01:55.000 Sorry, speaking of Laura Loomer, just before we came on, I literally got a text from Laura Loomer saying, Loomered.

03:02:01.000 A verb.

03:02:02.000 A verb.

03:02:03.000 Now a verb.

03:02:04.000 But she's verbing herself? 0.99

03:02:05.000 She's verbing herself, yes.

03:02:07.000 Let's go back to the political implications of this.

03:02:11.000 Because, I mean, there's so many, but just on Capitol Hill.

03:02:14.000 Because, remember, it was Mike Waltz who had won his seat by, like, a million points.

03:02:20.000 I mean...

03:02:21.000 Give or take a few.

03:02:22.000 In deep red Florida.

03:02:23.000 He was very safe.

03:02:25.000 And then the special election was a lot closer than anybody had hoped.

03:02:31.000 Now, to be fair to Mike Waltz, it was, well, I think maybe he could argue it's a good thing because he shows how popular he is.

03:02:38.000 But also, Randy Fine, who then actually did win, a lot of Republicans were very, especially at the White House, were very frustrated about the way that he...

03:02:49.000 Yes, they're very triggered by the fact that...

03:02:51.000 That's a term.

03:02:57.000 You know, these clips are from a week ago, and I'm just now seeing these as of this week because there's so many clips because these people are so obsessed with attacking.

03:03:07.000 They have such lumen derangement syndrome that every day people are like, did you see this clip?

03:03:12.000 And I'm like, wow, you know, I haven't even seen all of the nasty clips.

03:03:15.000 I was busy this morning.

03:03:17.000 You know, doing an investigation into another White House vetting crisis matter.

03:03:21.000 And then I get a phone call.

03:03:22.000 They're like, did you see what Brian Kilmeade just said about you on Fox News?

03:03:25.000 And I had to go look and see what he said, too.

03:03:28.000 Attacking me, saying that President Trump shouldn't take my advice and that I shouldn't have any credibility as it relates to who is hired.

03:03:38.000 It's like, says the guy that worked with Fox News, Rupert Murdoch's entity, to help.

03:03:45.000 Ron DeSantis run a shadow presidential campaign.

03:03:47.000 We got this article.

03:03:48.000 Let's pull it up on the screen here.

03:03:51.000 Show the article headline.

03:03:53.000 Let's get it up on the screen.

03:03:57.000 It's unbelievable.

03:03:58.000 The attacks just are so over the top.

03:04:03.000 I mean, I can handle it, of course, but Fox News' Brian Kilmeade gripes that Laura Loomer shouldn't have credibility to pick who serves in the Trump admin. 1.00

03:04:09.000 I don't pick anything.

03:04:10.000 I simply provide recommendations because there's no vetting going on.

03:04:14.000 And I'm helping protect the president.

03:04:17.000 So it should say a lot that I'm doing this out of the kindness of my heart.

03:04:21.000 I'm doing this because I admire President Trump.

03:04:25.000 He's a hero to me.

03:04:26.000 He's a transformative political figure, the best president we've ever had.

03:04:30.000 He's the leader of our country and the Republican Party.

03:04:33.000 And I think the Republican Party is going to crumble and fail, in my opinion, when Donald Trump leaves office.

03:04:40.000 I just don't really see any viable successors to...

03:04:43.000 The Trump movement.

03:04:44.000 Personally, that's just my own opinion.

03:04:47.000 But, you know, it's hard to imagine somebody who's going to really be able to be the heir to President Trump's legacy here in the Republican Party.

03:04:56.000 I don't really have high hopes for it.

03:05:01.000 A lot of people want to instill false hope into people, but I just, I like being a realist.

03:05:07.000 You know, I like living my life realistically.

03:05:10.000 And the reality is is that we have a lot of weak people in the GOP and they don't have backbone and they're not genuine like Donald Trump and they're not honest like Donald Trump and they're not inspirational like Donald Trump.

03:05:24.000 So I'm going to do what I can over these next over these next four years to help somebody who I believe is a transformative political figure a a heroic Historical figure who's going to go down in history as one of the most consequential and important Americans ever.

03:05:41.000 That's Donald Trump.

03:05:43.000 So I don't really care what these people say about me because at the end of the day, I've actually done more than any of them combined to help Donald Trump.

03:05:52.000 And what have I really gotten out of it? 0.60

03:05:55.000 Aside from getting totally fucked out of jobs multiple times by people who are jealous of me. 0.97

03:06:02.000 That's really what it boils down to. 0.99

03:06:04.000 So I think it's really funny when you have people like Brian Kilmeade who come in and try to act like they have authority when we have all these different clips of Brian Kilmeade throughout the presidential election season simping for Ron DeSantis, playing baseball with him, trying to tee up his presidential campaign, saying that Trump is unhinged.

03:06:23.000 Like, he actually went on Fox News.

03:06:25.000 I think we have this clip.

03:06:26.000 If not, it's on my X account and everybody can see it.

03:06:28.000 And this is the last thing before I go, I'll say.

03:06:31.000 We actually have this clip of Brian Kilmeade saying that Trump was unhinged in the aftermath and leading up to January 6th.

03:06:38.000 And we've all seen the Dominion Fox News text messages where Rupert Murdoch was talking about how he wants to destroy Donald Trump.

03:06:46.000 He wants to destroy him.

03:06:47.000 And he wants Ron DeSantis to win and that he's going to use all of his powers ahead of News Corp and the owner of the Wall Street Journal.

03:06:54.000 And Fox News and New York Post and all these media entities to support Ron DeSantis and destroy Donald Trump.

03:07:01.000 You know, that's why Donald Trump is always attacking Rupert Murdoch, and rightfully so, right? 1.00

03:07:05.000 The guy's a liar. 1.00

03:07:06.000 He's an anti-Trump subverter. 1.00

03:07:08.000 So we have the clip here, and it's like, who do you trust?

03:07:11.000 Do you trust me, the person that's risked everything to support Donald Trump, who continues to support Donald Trump despite nonstop attacks and sabotage from people within his own administration? 0.96

03:07:22.000 Or somebody like Brian Kilmeade that literally gets paid to read bullshit to the American people every morning. 0.98

03:07:27.000 Like, literally, stories for retards, okay? 1.00

03:07:31.000 Steve Bannon always says that Fox News is TV for stupid people. 1.00

03:07:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:07:36.000 Like, the most boomer-esque shit you'll ever see in your life. 0.99

03:07:39.000 Like, oh, we woke up this morning and we're going to go to a diner and we're going to ask people, what do you like more, peanut butter or jelly? 0.99

03:07:47.000 I mean, the world's on fire right now.

03:07:50.000 The world's on fire.

03:07:51.000 China's about to conquer all of our oil assets in Venezuela and have a freaking, you know, CCP, CCP, you know, like... 0.90

03:08:06.000 Extreme presence in the Western Hemisphere, okay?

03:08:09.000 And all of these oil assets are going to be completely taken over by the Chinese Communist Party, and we're going to be surrounded in the Western Hemisphere by the CCP in China, okay?

03:08:19.000 They're getting hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions of dollars, of our oil assets if these oil licenses expire by May 27th, as I've reported on my website. 0.59

03:08:27.000 And these morons over at Fox News want to interview people in the morning about whether they like peanut butter or jelly and man on the streets. 0.61

03:08:34.000 Like, we're not the same. 1.00

03:08:35.000 We're just not the same intellectually.

03:08:38.000 And so I just think it's really funny that Brian Kilmeade wants to go around saying that Trump shouldn't listen to me.

03:08:45.000 I suppose you should listen to you, Brian, right?

03:08:48.000 Where you're attacking Donald Trump as unhinged and saying that Donald Trump was unhinged before January 6th and unhinged after January 6th. 0.98

03:08:55.000 I just hate these people. 1.00

03:08:57.000 I actually hate them. 0.91

03:08:58.000 And I know that hate's a strong word, but I actually have so much hate in my heart for these people. 0.99

03:09:03.000 I hate them. 0.71

03:09:04.000 On a personal level, I deeply hate them. 1.00

03:09:06.000 I hate all of these people who are just total con artists and total fraudsters. 1.00

03:09:11.000 They are just lying their way to people's... 1.00

03:09:15.000 You know, through people's living rooms on their TV screens every morning and trying to lie to the American people, kissing Trump's ass when they see him, knowing that they're trying to stab him in the back every chance they get. 1.00

03:09:25.000 I'm just so sick of these people. 0.99

03:09:26.000 You know, like, I swear to God, if these people were in front of me and they were on fire, I wouldn't piss on them to put the fire out. 0.99

03:09:32.000 That's how much I hate these people. 0.86

03:09:33.000 So I'm glad that they dislike me because, you know what, I just have nothing but resentment and hate for all of them.

03:09:40.000 I really do.

03:09:41.000 I just hate.

03:09:43.000 With all of my soul and all of my heart, I hate these people, you know, and I just hope they know it. 0.97

03:09:47.000 I just hope they know how much I hate them.

03:09:49.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

03:09:52.000 The stuff that goes on behind the scenes is where you could have a counterargument.

03:09:55.000 For example, we all work for people or work with people that sometimes fly off the handle.

03:10:00.000 You know you kind of wait it out, count to ten, you go back to them a little bit later.

03:10:03.000 Now that you're calm, what do you think?

03:10:05.000 You hear that's the way the president often works.

03:10:07.000 We're going to build that wall.

03:10:08.000 I don't care how much it costs.

03:10:09.000 I'll take it out of my pocket.

03:10:11.000 Of course that's not the story.

03:10:12.000 A little bit later, he comes out and goes, how do we get this done?

03:10:15.000 So a lot of this stuff to put in...

03:10:18.000 Trump terms, the way he ran his White House, to have someone come back and go, yeah, the president says a lot of stuff.

03:10:23.000 Sometimes he says, you know, this lunchroom's a mess.

03:10:25.000 If we don't clean this up, we're just going to turn it into a closet.

03:10:28.000 That doesn't mean it's fact.

03:10:30.000 It's a guy just speaking within the confines of the Oval Office.

03:10:34.000 So it would have helped to have pushback.

03:10:36.000 But once again, the president was unhinged during that period.

03:10:39.000 I interviewed him at West Point, and he was kind enough to give me a few minutes.

03:10:43.000 I've never seen him so angry.

03:10:45.000 That was in between the election and January 6th.

03:10:47.000 As soon as we were done, he just stormed off.

03:10:50.000 And you know how long I've known him for 15 years or 20 years prior to me going to the White House.

03:10:55.000 I've never seen him so angry.

03:10:57.000 So he's convinced he was robbed.

03:10:59.000 There's no doubt about it.

03:11:00.000 But I have not seen any evidence.

03:11:02.000 And these are all incremental examples.

03:11:04.000 All right.

03:11:04.000 After the.

03:11:05.000 Thank you.

03:11:07.000 I've seen no evidence of voter fraud.

03:11:10.000 Yes, the dementia patients won the election.

03:11:12.000 The most votes ever received.

03:11:14.000 It's like...

03:11:15.000 Okay, Brian.

03:11:16.000 You know, and then when he sees Trump on the phone, I've known Trump for 15 years, and we're going to get Donald Trump on the phone this morning on Fox& Friends. 0.99

03:11:22.000 It's like, you've never seen a bigger con artist in your life than the people on, you know, these people on Fox& Friends that just, like, talk shit about Trump. 0.99

03:11:29.000 They work for Rupert Murdoch. 0.99

03:11:30.000 They take their marching orders from Rupert Murdoch, and they just lie nonstop about Donald Trump. 0.99

03:11:36.000 And then, like, they kiss his ass when he comes on the show, and then they go on these programs, and they just smear him, and they attack him, and they lie about him. 1.00

03:11:43.000 Just so out of control. 1.00

03:11:45.000 But look, they can say whatever they want to say about me.

03:11:47.000 When we compare receipts and we look at who's actually sacrificed something for Donald Trump and who's actually put skin in the game, nobody can say that they've done more than me.

03:11:58.000 Sorry, but you can't.

03:11:59.000 So for any of these haters who want to attack and say that I shouldn't be anywhere near the president or that nobody should take my advice, let's compare resumes.

03:12:08.000 Let's look at what you've done for Donald Trump and let's take a look at what I've done for Donald Trump.

03:12:13.000 Because there's no comparison. 1.00

03:12:15.000 And the president is not a stupid person. 0.99

03:12:17.000 He understands that and he sees it. 1.00

03:12:21.000 Just can't have enough resentment and hate for these people.

03:12:25.000 Let's go to the chat.

03:12:26.000 just want to see last minute comments last minute thoughts Thank you. 0.99

03:12:34.000 Fox and Friends is just plain dumb. 0.99

03:12:36.000 It is. 1.00

03:12:36.000 It's just so stupid. 1.00

03:12:37.000 Like I said, it's TV for stupid people. 1.00

03:12:39.000 What do you like? 1.00

03:12:39.000 You know, what do you like? 1.00

03:12:40.000 Peanut butter jelly.

03:12:43.000 Oh, let's have some random person on the couch today to talk about nonsensical things that don't even matter.

03:12:51.000 Let's talk about, you know, this cooking recipe from my wife and, oh, you know, stuff that doesn't even matter as the world's on fire.

03:12:58.000 We have a judicial coup going on in our country, but let's not talk about the judicial coup. 0.99

03:13:01.000 Let's talk about all this bullshit that doesn't even matter. 1.00

03:13:05.000 Like, you just want to, like, blow your brains out when you're watching it in the morning, you know? 1.00

03:13:09.000 Like, the dumbest shit you're ever going to see in your life. 1.00

03:13:13.000 The most low-IQ television. 1.00

03:13:17.000 Just so unbearable.

03:13:19.000 Really.

03:13:21.000 Truly.

03:13:21.000 And I think that Trump knows it, too.

03:13:23.000 Like, he's called them out so many times, you know?

03:13:25.000 And then he goes back and whatever, he talks to them.

03:13:27.000 But how many times has Donald Trump taken to True Social to call these people out?

03:13:31.000 It's just, like, the most...

03:13:33.000 They're honestly the most low IQ people you're ever going to see in your life, these people that work for Fox News.

03:13:38.000 I hate to say it, but it's true. 0.99

03:13:40.000 You can scroll up, and it is just total controlled opposition.

03:13:43.000 It really is.

03:13:44.000 Thank you.

03:13:50.000 Let's see what people have to say.

03:13:55.000 Yeah, I mean, everybody, someone said hate's a strong word.

03:13:58.000 I'm not sure there's a word for what I feel for them.

03:14:01.000 It's a strong word, but you know.

03:14:03.000 I've sat there.

03:14:04.000 I've struggled with it.

03:14:05.000 I was like, you know, is it nice to say this, to say I hate these people?

03:14:07.000 But I've come to realize that it is hate.

03:14:09.000 It's just true hate.

03:14:11.000 It's like pure hatred.

03:14:13.000 I don't care, though, because I call myself an equal opportunity hater at the end of the day.

03:14:17.000 I don't care if you're on the right or the left.

03:14:20.000 I've been in this industry for so long, and I have just nothing but contempt and disdain for so many of these people.

03:14:27.000 Like I said, if they were on fire in front of me, I literally wouldn't piss on them to put the fire out.

03:14:31.000 I just don't care.

03:14:32.000 You know, and I don't know.

03:14:33.000 I'm just not one of these people that wants to go along to get along and pretend like I like them just for the sake of, you know, getting invited to their Christmas party so I can go to their galas and eat nasty rubber chicken.

03:14:45.000 I'd rather be home with my dogs, to be honest with you.

03:14:47.000 Keep my integrity.

03:14:52.000 Really.

03:14:53.000 The worst people you're ever going to meet in your life.

03:14:57.000 Any last comments?

03:14:58.000 Any last thoughts?

03:14:59.000 Any last thoughts?

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Loomer Unleashed - May 09, 2025

EP121: White House Vetting Crisis Worsens

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