In this episode of Loomer Unleashed, host Laura LoMoore talks about the White House Betting Crisis and why it's time to take a closer look at what's going on with the Trump administration and what it means for the country.
00:22:11.000You know, the news cycle, because every single day the media is talking about everything that is being reported here on Loomer Unleashed, because we really are the tip of the spear as it relates to reporting news and holding politicians on both sides of the aisle accountable.
00:22:26.000We really are driving the narrative, and we're not simply reporting on news.
00:23:32.000And yet, I feel like every single day, it's a full-time job just to make sure the president is protected and that he's receiving the information that he needs to receive and that people are doing their due diligence and betting on a lot of the people who have been welcomed into the Trump administration and welcomed into the White House.
00:23:51.000You know, the president kind of made a deal with the devil when he decided to welcome Democrats into his cabinet in this agreement to get the Maha movement over to MAGA, even though they like to differentiate themselves as an entirely different movement.
00:24:11.000And really, it's the MAGA base that got Donald Trump elected and put Donald Trump in the White House.
00:24:18.000And you see that there's a lot of these, you know, Maha operatives who, in my opinion, they operate like.
00:24:27.000And it's almost like they're holding members of the Trump administration hostage, where they put a metaphorical gun to Trump's head and they say, well, Bobby Kennedy is not going to drop out of the presidential election unless you give us everything that we want.
00:24:43.000And if you don't give us everything that we want, then we're going to have Bobby have a contingent election and you're not going to be president and it's going to be a contingent election.
00:24:54.000That was literally the entire game plan of the Kennedy campaign, was the idea that Kennedy and the funders of his American Values PAC were literally out there talking to the media about how they wanted to create a contingent election.
00:25:11.000That's when neither candidate on the ballot gets 270 electoral votes, and thus you have...
00:25:17.000A contingent election, and then the President of the United States is then decided by members of Congress.
00:25:25.000So they wanted to actually deprive every single citizen of this country, the Kennedy campaign, just so people understand what these people represent and what Kennedy supporters are all about.
00:25:38.000These people wanted to completely deprive every single American citizen of their right They knew that he couldn't win an election.
00:25:50.000They used people like Nicole Shanahan to fund Bobby Kennedy's campaign.
00:25:54.000And they were very strategic in the states that they wanted him to be in the ballot on.
00:25:59.000And American Values PAC was admitting this to the media, that their goal is to create a contingent election so that neither candidate would receive 270 electoral votes.
00:26:11.000So this was a sabotage effort from the very beginning.
00:26:16.000You know, accused these people of trying to extort Donald Trump and his political allies.
00:26:21.000And so then when push came to shove and Bobby Kennedy realized that, you know, Biden wasn't going to allow him to have Secret Service and when he wasn't allowed to debate on the Democrat stage and he decided to be an independent, right?
00:26:33.000And then he realized that wasn't going to go anywhere and they were running out of money.
00:26:36.000Then he finally came to the table after, you know, he...
00:26:40.000Recorded President Trump's phone call with him behind President Trump's back, if you recall that really messy scandal, and then released that tape publicly to the media as like a power move on Donald Trump.
00:26:52.000And then shortly after that, right, it's like people saying kumbaya, held hands, and then we saw them on stage together at a Turning Point event in, I believe it was Arizona.
00:27:00.000And then, you know, there's all this talk about Bobby Kennedy being nominated after the election to oversee HHS.
00:27:10.000Because I just think that it's really important for people to understand that Kennedy and his supporters in Maha were never true Trump supporters, right?
00:27:20.000Everything they did was done out of extortion.
00:27:23.000They literally tried to extort Donald Trump and they tried to extort the MAGA movement.
00:27:28.000And so, these aren't people who operate in good faith.
00:27:31.000It's not like these Kennedy supporters or people in the Maha movement who came from the Kennedy camp.
00:27:36.000Because look, the Maha movement itself existed prior to...
00:27:42.000This was a coalition of mothers and concerned parents who were trying to raise awareness about vaccine-injured children, children who got autism as a result of getting vaccines.
00:27:54.000And then you had all these grifters that decided to attach themselves to the Kennedy presidential campaign who then wanted to make money hawking their books and hawking their supplements and, you know, posting on Instagram and trying to pretend like They're suburban housewives, celebrities, right?
00:28:13.000Creating these kind of cult-like followings where they really misrepresented themselves as advocates for the people when really they were just trying to extort President Trump and the MAGA movement the entire time so that they could gain political influence and financial influence and enrich themselves and their family members.
00:28:33.000We're going to talk about this tonight with my upcoming guest, Dr. Mary Talley-Boden.
00:28:40.000Who, unfortunately, had to have negative interactions and experiences with many of these individuals in the Maha movement.
00:28:47.000And she has a lot of firsthand experience and firsthand knowledge that she's going to share with us tonight as somebody who really is a true medical professional, a real licensed doctor who is trying to treat people and help people who have been injured by vaccines and provide adequate medical care.
00:29:09.000We're going to have a conversation tonight about this worsening White House vetting crisis.
00:29:14.000How did we all come to talking about this and why is there now this civil war erupting in Maha and MAGA?
00:29:22.000Look, President Trump is surrounded by people who want to exercise nepotism as it relates to their appointments.
00:29:30.000You have a lot of people that have their own personal financial ties, their own personal preferences as it relates to enriching themselves, enriching their companies, wanting to put their kids in positions in the White House, trying to help their nieces, their nephews, their in-laws.
00:29:50.000You know, meritless system of political appointments on both sides of the aisle.
00:29:56.000It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or, you know, you're talking about the Trump administration.
00:30:01.000And unfortunately, right, when Donald Trump made the, in my opinion, misguided decision of And who knows if it was even Trump, right?
00:30:10.000Because I personally believe that a lot of these appointments were made by other people and then they just were like, yeah, President Trump, this person's great.
00:30:38.000But I suppose the White House just didn't want to deal with another rogue former staffer writing a tell-all book and trashing Trump in the press, which is what we saw as a daily occurrence in the first Trump administration.
00:30:50.000So they bring on Michael Waltz, right?
00:30:54.000They pull him out of his Florida congressional seat, which causes chaos here in the state of Florida.
00:30:58.000And then, you know, as we saw following my meeting with President Trump, obviously the president felt compelled to demote Michael Waltz and fire a lot of the officials that he appointed at NSC.
00:31:08.000Well, when they brought on Michael Waltz, all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, we're going to have Jeanette Nishwat be the Surgeon General.
00:31:14.000And everybody was like, well, this woman...
00:31:18.000You know, like, where'd this woman come from?
00:31:20.000She's just kind of like this, you know, like, low-grade doctor on TV who's, you know, hawking the COVID vaccines, telling everybody that they're a danger to society and that they're causing harm to our country if they don't get vaccinated.
00:31:37.000Even after we had data that showed that...
00:31:40.000These vaccines were more like death shots, right?
00:32:00.000I mean, look, even the first lady of Florida got diagnosed with breast cancer shortly after her and her husband decided to get jabbed, right?
00:32:07.000And pushed the jab on everybody else here in the state of Florida.
00:32:09.000So now we're dealing with the consequences of this mass jab campaign.
00:32:15.000Turbo cancer, myocarditis, all types of health issues, right?
00:32:20.000I thank God every day that I never took the COVID jab, but I had enough common sense to actually read the insert and to not inject myself with an experimental DNA modifier.
00:32:31.000A lot of people just didn't have that common sense.
00:32:36.000You know, Jeanette faced a lot of criticism and a lot of people wanted her gone.
00:32:41.000And she was supposed to be confirmed in front of the Senate yesterday.
00:32:44.000Well, over the weekend, I decided to release an expose on her.
00:32:48.000And I know for a fact that it made its way to the desk of the president.
00:32:51.000And I believe that sometime over the weekend they decided, I was told actually, that they decided to rescind her nomination.
00:32:59.000And so Jeanette had her nomination pulled.
00:33:05.000You know, I was hoping that they were going to pick somebody as her replacement who is actually more qualified, but then I guess Bobby Kennedy decided that he was going to go to President Trump and provide his own personal recommendation.
00:33:17.000So from what I was told, Bobby Kennedy then, and we have this article here up on the screen, so let's just show everybody, right?
00:33:24.000Trump pulled Surgeon General pick following Laura Leamer complaints.
00:33:27.000Dr. Jeanette Nishwat was slated to appear for a confirmation hearing on Thursday.
00:33:33.000President Trump pulled his nomination of Dr. Jeanette Nishwa as U.S. Surgeon General Wednesday, just a day before she was expected to appear before the Senate for her confirmation hearing.
00:33:42.000Dr. Casey Means is the new pick, Trump said in a true social post.
00:33:51.000Because Bobby Kennedy, after he got wind that they were going to pull the nomination of Jeanette Nishwa.
00:33:58.000went to trump and said you have to nominate this woman casey means she's phenomenal uh she was top of her class at stanford right and look I know President Trump.
00:34:09.000Everybody knows that President Trump really values educational pedigree.
00:34:12.000And so for some reason, President Trump thought that it was a good accomplishment for her to be top of her class at Stanford when really the president and his advisor should have been asking, well, what are her medical credentials, right?
00:34:23.000Like you're going to be the U.S. Surgeon General.
00:34:27.000Well, it turns out that Casey Means doesn't even have a valid medical license.
00:34:33.000Now it's caused this whole controversy, and a lot of people, including my next guest, who's going to be joining me momentarily, has a lot to say about this.
00:34:41.000Because, you know, you would think that if you want somebody who's going to be the spokesperson for the medical field and somebody who's going to be the spokesperson as it relates to medical advice in our country, it's somebody that should at least be an active practicing physician, a licensed physician.
00:34:56.000But unfortunately, you know, that's not what we're seeing.
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00:37:26.000Joining me now to discuss the implosion with the recent nomination of Casey Means as the new U.S. Surgeon General and what it means for public health and medicine in America and what it means as it relates to the trust of the American people as it pertains to the field of medicine and science is Dr. Mary Talley Bowden.
00:37:54.000It's great to actually have a real licensed medical professional joining me tonight.
00:37:58.000I'm kind of shocked and perplexed that, you know, you have to have a license to cut hair in the United States of America, but you don't have to have a license to be the U.S. Surgeon General.
00:38:12.000I mean, it's funny because I don't think five years ago I would have cared whatsoever who the Surgeon General was, but I think this pick is significant.
00:38:21.000Because we're coming off the heels of the largest public health crisis in our lifetime.
00:38:28.000And the biggest issue we have, besides these mRNA shots that the government is recommending all babies get three of by the time they're nine months old, but besides that is trust.
00:38:41.000And I see that every day in my office.
00:38:43.000I mean, people are scared to go to other doctors.
00:40:20.000And I can tell you, I am a much different doctor now than I was in my fourth year of residency.
00:40:27.000There is something completely, you know, just very invaluable to go into a room with a patient multiple times a day, sit down, hear their problems.
00:40:48.000Without that experience, it's hard for anybody to have their finger on the pulse of what is going on in healthcare.
00:40:59.000I'm very tempted to retire after everything that's happened, but I don't want to because I feel like it really keeps me knowing what's going on with people.
00:41:10.000Yeah, and not just the level of trust with the American people after, you know, the China virus killed 1.2 million American citizens and millions of other people around the world, but I think also we need to have a level of trust within this relationship between medical professionals in their own community.
00:41:30.000And what I worry about is you have somebody like Casey Means who, you know, not only finished, I've been around in this industry for a very long time,
00:42:00.000and I know what an astroturfed campaign looks like when I see one, and I know what it looks like when a movement has financing behind it and when a movement is truly organic.
00:42:09.000It's strange to me that she created this whole storyline around how she didn't finish her residency because she thought that it was so corrupt and her patients weren't getting better, and yet...
00:42:22.000We found out today in an explosive article that came out in the LA Times that she actually didn't finish her residency because she has a severe anxiety disorder, according to her colleagues, who said that she came to them saying she couldn't complete her residency and do her work because of the anxiety that she was dealing with, the stress.
00:42:41.000I mean, that's not somebody who, you know, practice.
00:42:43.000It'd be one thing if you had a private practice for years and, you know, you were a renowned surgeon and you were just like so disillusioned with the medical field.
00:42:51.000And we saw a lot of those people, right?
00:42:53.000They had their licenses taken from them because they wanted to prescribe hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
00:42:59.000And they were attacked by big pharma during the lockdowns and the COVID crisis in our country.
00:43:10.000Just like you wouldn't, there's standards in the military, right?
00:43:13.000Like if you had a certain surgery or you've ever taken antidepressants, you literally cannot go and serve in the military.
00:43:18.000You will be disqualified and you will not pass the recruitment paperwork.
00:43:22.000I think there should be some standards, right, for whoever's going to be the Surgeon General.
00:43:26.000Now, you don't have to be an actual surgeon to be the Surgeon General, which is strange given the fact that it's called U.S. Surgeon General.
00:43:38.000This person should at least have an active medical license.
00:43:41.000And my concern is that this woman has more to hide than she's really bringing to the table.
00:43:47.000And it's pretty obvious that the Trump administration did not do any vetting into her.
00:43:52.000It appears that she was fast tracked into this role, given her her ties to RFK Jr.
00:43:58.000And the fact that her own brother, Callie Means, has been brought into the Trump administration as a health advisor, even though he himself admitted on Joe Rogan show that he was a never Trumper.
00:44:09.000And then because he saw opportunity in, you know, in RFK being able to advance his own medical agenda, they all decided then at the last minute that they were going to support Trump.
00:44:36.000If you're just having these self-obsessed people bashing doctors, talking about how evil doctors are and how evil pharmaceuticals are and how evil everything is.
00:45:53.000Maybe, you know, you get into your residency, say, I'm not going to do this.
00:45:56.000But that late in the game, very unusual.
00:46:02.000Why do you think there's been such a cover-up regarding, you know, the storyline surrounding why she didn't complete her residency?
00:46:10.000I mean, what would be the motivation of somebody like that to make up a story instead of just being honest and saying, I had an anxiety disorder and I had stress and I had to drop out.
00:46:55.000Another point that I wanted to bring up, and this really goes back to the lack of vetting in the Trump administration as it relates to these positions, is You know, her family history, it seems to be a family enterprise between her father and her brother and their own involvement in all of these various companies,
00:47:12.000multi-million dollar companies, and just kind of a disconnect between the true original Maha movement and then, you know, these self-appointed spokespeople, and I'm talking about, you know, Callie and Casey, the mean siblings, especially given the fact that their own personal decisions are completely conflicting with original Maha.
00:47:33.000For example, I was able to, and I believe we have this screenshot, I was able to dig up old social media posts with Casey's old ex-handle from 2021 that showed that she actually decided to get vaccinated with a COVID jab live on Clubhouse, right?
00:47:54.000Does it feel like the Maha movement has been co-opted by people who are pretending to be somebody who they're not?
00:48:00.000Because you also have her brother Callie who refused to condemn these vaccines.
00:48:06.000I know that we have a video clip that I'll play after you answer the question of you kind of interrogating him on a podcast and putting him on the spot about his positions as it relates to these vaccines.
00:48:17.000And it just seems like if these people...
00:48:19.000You know, truly are committed to making people's lives better.
00:48:23.000Why are they so focused on promoting their own products?
00:48:26.000Why are they so focused on things that seem to be a diversion away from the true message of Maha, which was supposed to be taking these dangerous vaccines off the market and making a schedule for parents so that children don't get autism?
00:48:43.000Yeah, I don't think Maha was ever about taking the COVID shots off the market, unfortunately.
00:48:48.000And I look at Casey and Callie as healthcare entrepreneurs.
00:48:51.000I don't look at them as really sincerely interested in, you know, the things that most doctors are interested in.
00:48:59.000Most doctors aren't out there selling products.
00:49:03.000And there's just a whole industry of pseudo doctors like this.
00:49:09.000And that to me is they've sort of taken over Maha.
00:50:40.000Dr. Casey Kitchen, CMO and co-founder at Levels, is on Joint Clubhouse and is literally getting her COVID-19 vaccine this moment while being tonight's guest with A16Z.
00:50:52.000You know, that's obviously Marc Andreessen's company.
00:50:58.000It just seems a little crazy to me that out of all the doctors who we were told were going to revolutionize medicine in America, we now have a full-blown grifter.
00:51:14.000Subverted the entire movement, pretending to be somebody like you, or somebody like, you know, an original Maha mom, now presenting herself in this manner that she's going to challenge the establishment, but everything with her behavior suggests that she is part of the establishment.
00:51:32.000I mean, I'm not really looking at somebody who I think is a revolutionary figure, a transformative figure in healthcare.
00:51:38.000I'm looking at somebody who made a lot of money working with data collection companies, okay, keeping people's biometric data, their DNA data.
00:51:47.000That's, of course, what she was doing before she apparently had this revelation to, you know, go talk to the trees and eat some shrooms.
00:51:55.000And, I mean, this is all documented on her newsletter, which, you know, I've been reporting on this week.
00:52:03.000Like, long history or career path challenging the medical establishment.
00:52:07.000In fact, I would say that her and her brother are quite entrenched in the medical establishment, despite their public cries that they are not affiliated with these individuals in Big Pharma.
00:52:17.000And then they love tossing around accusations accusing people of being funded by Big Pharma.
00:52:22.000I mean, literally, when I ran for Congress, right, I received heat from all these leftist publications because I got COVID really bad.
00:52:30.000And I was on the campaign trail in 2020.
00:52:34.000I think I wore a mask for like, you know, the first week, you know, when they said, oh, 15 days to slow the spread.
00:52:40.000And then afterwards I was like, okay, I'm not doing this anymore.
00:52:44.000And then you have to like literally wear a mask to go inside Publix to get groceries.
00:52:56.000And they said that we hope that Laura Loomer dies.
00:52:59.000And there was a post in the Daily Mail saying that I was on my deathbed because I got COVID and I was telling people to not take the vaccine.
00:53:09.000And so for Callie to go online today and falsely accuse me of all people of being paid off by Big Pharma, it's just so crazy.
00:53:17.000And it's totally dishonest that people can't handle legitimate criticisms about their background.
00:53:22.000So they start falsely accusing people of...
00:53:25.000Working against Donald Trump, when I'm arguably Donald Trump's biggest advocate, and accusing people like me of being paid off by Big Pharma, accusing you of being jealous, right?
00:53:36.000I saw a lot of people like that today saying that you're jealous.
00:53:40.000What are your thoughts on this, and do you think that it's concerning that somebody who took the vaccine was nominated to be U.S. Surgeon General?
00:53:51.000Yeah, I mean, I can forgive her for getting...
00:54:21.000On many levels, as you as you noted, there's so many great candidates out there.
00:54:26.000And yeah, I'm not jealous because I have absolutely no desire to be surgeon general or even get near Washington, D.C. But there are you know, I was with Kelly Victory last weekend at a conference and I know her pretty well.
00:54:41.000I see her at this conference every year and she's close friends with Kennedy.
00:54:49.000And she told us, sort of, you know, under the table, yeah, you know, Kennedy called me last week and said, you know, send us your resume for the third time, because they vetted her before, they'd interviewed her before for the Surgeon General, had been back and forth.
00:55:04.000They said, okay, Jeanette Neshwat is out, and you're going to be it.
00:55:09.000And so we were all sort of celebrating, saying, great, great, you know, because, you know, Kelly is...
00:55:16.000Very well credentialed, and she's very comfortable in the media.
00:55:20.000And, you know, she's also, unfortunately, she's been outspoken about the COVID shots.
00:55:25.000And I honestly think that's what killed it.
00:55:28.000But we were all under the impression that weekend that Kelly Victory was going to be announced as Surgeon General this week.
00:55:35.000So it was quite the surprise when that didn't happen.
00:55:42.000I think it's kind of shocking, and I think it's really disturbing that nobody decided to do any background information.
00:55:49.000Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can actually be suspended from a residency program if you get caught using recreational drugs, and you can have your license revoked as a physician if you're caught using recreational drugs or have drugs in your system.
00:56:05.000I'm not just talking about, like, medication prescriptions.
00:56:08.000I'm talking about hardcore controlled substances if you were to be randomly drug tested, correct?
00:56:18.000I don't know specifics on what the punishments are, but yeah, it's against the law, and certainly our next Surgeon General shouldn't be promoting the use of recreational drugs, especially now with the opioid crisis.
00:56:33.000Yeah, it's just like really contrary and conflicting messaging.
00:56:38.000I mean, we just saw an announcement from Attorney General Pam Bondi about a massive seizure of fentanyl and psilocybin, the largest seizure of psilocybin and fentanyl in U.S. history.
00:56:52.000And then the same day that they announced a seizure of fentanyl and psilocybin, they appoint a woman, Casey Means, to be Surgeon General.
00:57:00.000When I believe we have the screenshots here, I posted this on my X account, if we can get these pulled up.
00:57:04.000She's talking about using shrooms, which is psilocybin.
00:57:07.000She calls it plant medicine instead of actually, you know, calling it what it is, a controlled substance, which is illegal.
00:57:13.000And I think it's really concerning because, again, how are medical professionals supposed to respect the Office of the Surgeon General when we have a...
00:57:30.000When you have a Surgeon General who is openly talking about recreational drug use and her brother admitted to the Wall Street Journal in an article that his entire entrepreneurial career involving medicine started with a psychedelic trip.
00:57:48.000Can we get these screenshots up on the screen, please?
00:57:52.000So I want to show everybody these screenshots.
00:57:56.000Because I also know that you have to be able to pass a drug test to work in the White House.
00:58:01.000And now we have Callie Means, who's openly talking about his psychedelic trips on shrooms and psilocybin, working as an official advisor in the Trump White House.
00:58:14.000Yeah, it's concerning, to say the least.
00:58:17.000It's just not sort of the role model you want to present to the American public, I would say.
00:58:23.000It's pretty cut and dry, in my opinion.
00:58:28.000While we're looking for these graphics and getting them pulled up on the screen, I want to go ahead and play this video clip of you confronting...
00:59:15.000Obviously, you know, I'm in the news a lot lately because President Trump has...
00:59:19.000You know, acted on my recommendations.
00:59:21.000Trying to be a clout chaser, trying to say, oh, sue me, let's go to Discovery.
00:59:25.000When, you know, look, it's a very provocative thing, in my opinion, for him to falsely accuse me without any evidence of taking money from Big Pharma.
00:59:33.000And you can go to my tweet and what I said, and, you know, we'll just read it live on air.
00:59:56.000And, you know, he doesn't disclose his own background.
01:00:00.000And so he accuses me of taking money, but then he's lying about the real reason why his sister didn't finish residency, as we just discussed.
01:00:09.000Yes, we went over this, but I want to show the screenshots to everybody so people don't think that this is just a gossip hour with you.
01:00:15.000Let's go through each of these screenshots really quick.
01:00:19.000Trump's pick for Surgeon General quit medical residency due to stress, former department chair says.
01:00:24.000Callie's all over social media saying that she quit because she's so brave and she stood up to the medical establishment and, you know, she's such a hero.
01:00:40.000You see here Dr. Paul Flint, a former chair at Oregon Health and Science University, said Means resigned from the residency because of anxiety.
01:00:49.000So as you said earlier, her own colleagues are calling her out because of her lies, her lies about her own background.
01:00:58.000That's one of the reasons why Jeanette Nishwat had her nomination pulled, is because she was fibbing on her qualifications and her records and her credentials, saying that she went to an American medical school when she actually went to a medical school in the Caribbean, right?
01:01:35.000Now, you know, President Trump worked extremely hard to get the evangelical Christian vote.
01:01:41.000And I just want to know, what kind of message is this sending to evangelical Christians when you have a woman who's been nominated to be Surgeon General talking about stirring up demons and spirits by speaking to a spiritual medium?
01:01:53.000A lot of Christians would call that witchcraft and voodoo.
01:01:57.000A lot of people have a serious issue with communicating with spirits and talking to the dead through spiritual mediums.
01:02:21.000It sounds like, you know, an ayahuasca trip where you go and you sit in the middle of a jungle and they have these spiritual guides that give you these illicit drugs and then you basically sweat and you trip and then you sit in this kumbaya circle and talk about all your hippie dreams.
01:02:35.000And then she puts a mushroom at the end so she's obviously talking about shrooms because she doesn't want to say psilocybin because that would implicate herself in a crime since psilocybin is an illegal controlled substance.
01:03:16.000And if President Trump were to be watching this episode right now or were to receive a copy of this clip, what would your message be to President Trump as it relates to the guidance that Bobby Kennedy gave him as it relates to his nomination of Casey Means?
01:03:33.000There are just a slew of better people ready and waiting who have proved themselves during the pandemic.
01:03:41.000They spoke up when it was hard to do so at great personal risk.
01:03:57.000I can name five of them off the top of my head.
01:04:00.000So it wouldn't be that hard to find a better person.
01:04:06.000Her brother has been described as a medical entrepreneur.
01:04:11.000Do you think that there's a conflict of interest that exists with having these siblings working together in such close proximity in official administration jobs when he himself has various companies, including TruMed?
01:04:24.000This is a company that he co-founded, and then his wife apparently lived in China for several months where she was trying to raise money and get investments from Chinese individuals.
01:04:38.000Do you think that this is, you know, a big red flag and another vetting, you know...
01:04:46.000Given the fact that we are still reeling from the implications of the China virus and the way that China devastated our country so much during this scam-demic, as I like to call it, I just find it to be a massive conflict of interest that kind of degrades the office of the U.S. Surgeon General.
01:05:04.000You have a woman whose brother is a medical tech entrepreneur making millions of dollars off of his investments and his companies in the medical field.
01:05:14.000Don't you feel that this opens up the potential for exploitation and the way that he could, you know, present himself or leverage his relationship with his sister, who is set to be the U.S. Surgeon General?
01:05:27.000Yeah, so he has a company called TruMed, and what that does is they have products on their website that you can buy using HSA money.
01:06:41.000And then, of course, with his sister becoming Surgeon General, same thing.
01:06:46.000And it's vitally important after everything that happened during the pandemic that we don't make the same mistakes that we have continued to make if we have any hope of restoring trust.
01:07:00.000Yeah, and I think that it opens the door for potential tax fraud, and it's going to create scandals for the Trump administration, because, you know, could you imagine the Surgeon General advocating for her brother's company and saying, oh, you know, I encourage all of you to go get this mattress or start hawking products that her brother has affiliations with on his website?
01:07:42.000That the president was not made aware of any of these facts and Bobby Kennedy did not tell Donald Trump any of this information as it relates to the conflict of interest.
01:07:51.000And it's almost like Bobby Kennedy is trying to set Trump up for a scandal, right?
01:07:56.000And when we just saw this announcement the other day of a massive $20 million, and we can pull this up too, a $20 million advertisement campaign that the HHS department is going to be...
01:08:10.000Carrying out for the sake of commercials.
01:08:12.000Just type in, I think it's HHS $20 million Kennedy.
01:08:17.000Just type that in in Google and see what pops up.
01:08:36.000And what this really is, is it's like a shadow presidential campaign on taxpayer money for $20 million so that he can be on TV and presenting himself as some kind of a hero.
01:08:48.000On the expense of the taxpayers here, while his entire staff at HHS are all of his former campaign employees, including Stephanie Spear, an avowed Marxist and climate change radical, who founded a group called EcoWatch that is still using their X account to this day to trash President Trump.
01:09:06.000So I don't even think President Trump is aware of the fact that Kennedy is trying to exploit and abuse taxpayer money in his position as HHS secretary to literally launch a shadow.
01:09:19.000Well, even if it's not that agenda, the government needs to just go away and stop telling everybody how to be healthy.
01:09:32.000I think everybody's a little traumatized after COVID with all the messaging from the federal government.
01:09:39.000I mean, I miss the good old days when I didn't really know anything about the FDA or CDC.
01:09:45.000You know, they just kind of kept it themselves.
01:09:46.000So it's really discouraging to see that $20 million of more propaganda is going out with this new initiative.
01:09:59.000I know we said we were going to play this clip.
01:10:01.000So I want to go ahead and play this clip so that people can see, you know, where you're coming from as a medical professional, as a real doctor, a real licensed doctor, and your direct confrontation with Callie means the brother of Casey Means in a discussion about taking these vaccines off the market.
01:10:21.000And I want to remind everybody as you're watching this clip that Callie Means has been brought into the White House, the Trump administration, as a special government employee to be a health advisor to Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy.
01:10:35.000Personally, do you feel like the COVID shot should be pulled off the market?
01:10:56.000And we have an opportunity to have Jay Bhattacharya, who's a close friend, who I, you know, strongly push to be at the NIH, to call everyone together, review the science.
01:11:09.000Have truth and reconciliation, bring that out to people, and have a process for that.
01:12:59.000Why do you think he just wouldn't answer the question?
01:13:03.000I mean, it is important to point out the fact that he is trained in PR.
01:13:08.000I believe he worked for a company called Mercury.
01:13:12.000And he is trained in crisis PR management.
01:13:16.000And there are people who have worked for Mercury who are now working in the White House itself.
01:13:22.000So I don't know if that's how he was able to get into the White House or whether his affiliations with Mercury and people in the White House who also have affiliations with Mercury is how he was able to get into the White House.
01:13:36.000But he is a trained PR crisis management expert.
01:13:41.000I think it's really important that people understand this when they listen to the way that he dodges questions and the way that he's, you know, you don't see Casey responding to any of these attacks on her publicly.
01:13:52.000She's having her brother speak for her.
01:13:54.000And so my question is, has Casey hired her brother, right?
01:13:59.000I've been told by people that he has been hired to do her PR and her...
01:14:04.000I've been told that some of these social media influencers who seem to have all these clips ready to go in support of her as soon as it was announced that she was going to be the Surgeon General are getting paid to promote her and to gaslight people into believing that she is worthy of being confirmed in front of the U.S. Senate.
01:15:22.000The timing and the intensity just didn't make sense.
01:15:25.000So I have said that to them, that, you know, I support their message.
01:15:30.000I think we need clean food and we need to, you know, promote, you know, get help with obesity.
01:15:37.000But they don't agree with our message.
01:15:41.000And that's been the problem all along.
01:15:43.000Yeah, and, you know, I've gotten some flack, like some people have said, oh, you know, why are you having Dr. Bowden come on your show?
01:15:49.000You know, she's been critical of Trump.
01:15:51.000Just look, at the end of the day, the position of Surgeon General is supposed to be somebody who can serve as an authority in medicine, as a spokesperson for the medical professionals in our country, and also just people in America looking for public health guidance.
01:16:08.000I've had conversations with people who have been critical of President Trump, people who didn't vote for President Trump, and people who are doctors who, you know, are diehard MAGA loyalists, people who are friends with the presidents, some people who are members of his own golf clubs.
01:16:21.000And what's interesting is, regardless of the ideological differences with all of these people, right, some of them are on different levels of the spectrum and where they support Donald Trump, they all came to the same conclusion.
01:16:33.000Which is hard to find amongst people who vary in their support for President Trump.
01:16:38.000And that's that she is not qualified, right?
01:16:41.000Forget about whether or not she's a never-Trumper or a Trump loyalist.
01:16:44.000Let's just look at her own background and her own qualifications.
01:16:47.000And, you know, I'm not one of these people that is going to say that You know, oh, anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists, or, oh, you know, we need to police online information about vaccines, like Jeanette Neuschwat said, where she was congratulating the social media companies for banning people.
01:17:06.000But I do think that there does need to be a level of decorum and actual respect for real science.
01:17:14.000I'm not talking about big pharma and forcing people to take vaccines or, you know, telling people not to look at holistic medicine.
01:17:21.000I'm talking about having respect for medical professionals as a whole and encouraging people to get into medicine because we already have to import doctors.
01:17:31.000I don't think a lot of people understand this.
01:17:32.000We are importing surgeons from other countries around the world because we have a shortage of specialists in our country.
01:17:41.000A lot of people watching probably are not aware of that.
01:17:43.000There are people in this country who have to travel abroad to get medical care in some instances because they don't have enough specialists in certain areas of medicine in our country because, look, Obama destroyed the medical profession with Obamacare, and now you have these new wave of rogue, self-appointed medical experts who are pushing people away from wanting to be doctors because they're demonizing people for practicing real medicine.
01:18:08.000And what's going to happen in our country as it relates to public health if you have all these people saying, don't take antibiotics, go take some shrooms, right?
01:18:38.000Are not to use any medicine or any type of pharmaceuticals whatsoever to treat people and that the entire medical industry is completely corrupt and that every doctor is evil.
01:18:47.000I mean, I'm really worried about what it's going to mean for the future of medicine in our country if we have some quack like Casey means as a U.S. Surgeon General.
01:19:15.000And so, you know, when I speak out about the COVID shots, you know, Trump gets in that conversation.
01:19:24.000Yeah, look, I'm a Trump loyalist, too, and the reality is that the biggest criticism that Trump received even during his own re-election campaign is when he was talking about the jabs, and I don't know why, you know, eventually his advisors had enough common sense to tell him to stop talking about it, but that would be my only criticism.
01:19:42.000But I will say Donald Trump never mandated the vaccines, and so while he may feel a sense of accomplishment with Operation Warp Speed, I personally don't agree with that.
01:20:19.000I don't think that Trump is to blame for all of this.
01:20:22.000I think that after the fact where President Trump was doing interviews talking about how amazing the job was and how amazing the job was, I think...
01:20:31.000There has to be some personal accountability for the words that came out of his mouth.
01:20:35.000And he corrected the course and he stopped talking about the COVID jobs.
01:20:39.000You don't hear him mention that anymore.
01:20:41.000But I think that Donald Trump tried to do the best that he could do given the circumstances.
01:20:46.000And I do believe that he was sabotaged.
01:20:49.000I mean, we know that he was sabotaged because there are a lot of doctors who have since come out and spoken about How President Trump was intentionally given false information to derail his presidency?
01:21:06.000Well, you know, I spoke to somebody today who I probably shouldn't name his name, but he was a special government employee during Operation Warp Speed.
01:21:14.000And he basically said, you know, Pfizer was limiting the data that they were giving them.
01:21:19.000So, you know, Pfizer should be on the hook for most of this, if not all, and Moderna.
01:21:25.000And there is a lawsuit going on right now.
01:21:27.000Brooke Jackson, whistleblower for Pfizer, who has been just on this five-year mission to sue Pfizer, and the DOJ is preventing them.
01:21:38.000The DOJ is intervening, and they're not letting this case go forward.
01:21:42.000So if anybody in the Trump administration is listening to this, if you could just let this play out in the courts, then let the chips fall where they may.
01:22:12.000I want to get those up on the screen and encourage everybody to read your sub stack because, you know, obviously we have limited time tonight and we could be on this podcast for hours talking about all of your incredible findings and all of your great research and all of your reports.
01:22:26.000But I do want to direct people to your sub stack and you have an article that you published in December titled Is Maha a Misdirection Strategy?
01:22:39.000I think that everybody should read this article on your Substack.
01:23:35.000Some of what we spoke about tonight regarding, you know, TruMed, the company that was co-founded by Callie Means, who is the brother of the new Trump-appointed Surgeon General nominee.
01:23:50.000I encourage all of you to read it and check it out because This isn't about jealousy.
01:23:55.000This isn't about, you know, whatever it is all these Maha people online are trying to say.
01:24:00.000This is about protecting Donald Trump from scandals, preserving the integrity of the medical field, and also being honest with the American people about real conflicts of interest and whether or not people are truly qualified or whether or not they're trying to self-enrich themselves.
01:25:11.000You know, provide a list of, I don't know, maybe three to five people who you think could be different alternatives for the position of Surgeon General.
01:25:35.000I think that there needs to be a panel of doctors to have a discussion and advise the president on selecting a new candidate for surgeon general.
01:25:44.000I don't think that Bobby Kennedy should be the one to be telling President Trump who the surgeon general pick should be.
01:25:49.000I think that it should be a group of people who...
01:25:54.000Independent health advisors who come from all different types of backgrounds so that they can come up with a very qualified Surgeon General.
01:26:03.000Do you have any suggestions for people who the Trump administration should reach out to or potentially look at as a replacement?
01:26:11.000Well, I think they should heavily consider Kelly Victory, and she would be wonderful.
01:26:17.000There's Joseph Latipo would be wonderful, the Surgeon General of Florida.
01:26:22.000Dr. Kirk Milhone, who you may not know, but he's just a wonderful man.
01:26:32.000Dr. Scott Jensen, he ran for governor of Minnesota.
01:26:36.000He's just a salt-of-the-earth guy, very well-spoken, very trustworthy.
01:26:42.000And then Peter McCullough, who has been outspoken from the start, high integrity, also very media savvy.
01:26:52.000Yeah, you know, I almost think that we need somebody who doesn't want to be a celebrity because it seems like the Trump administration...
01:26:58.000Right now is being filled with so many people that it's like jockey for press and a lot of people wonder if the people in the Trump administration, a lot of these appointees are more focused on their positions helping Trump or becoming the next Fox News guest host, right, for a primetime slot.
01:27:15.000So I would almost prefer that we have a Surgeon General who isn't focused on, you know, being a celebrity or a media star because it just seems like, you know, this lady, Casey, promotes herself as a social media influencer.
01:27:28.000With an MD at her name, even though she doesn't have an active medical license.
01:27:33.000So I just kind of wonder if a lot of these people want the position so that they can actually provide a service to the president and fulfill his agenda, or if they can become social media stars and, like I said, enrich their families, sell their books, sell their products, whatever.
01:28:01.000I want there to be style and substance.
01:28:03.000But I think that one of the biggest criticisms of some of the people who are currently in the Trump administration is that there's more focus on style as opposed to substance.
01:28:15.000That's one of the biggest criticisms of Pan Bondi right now, right?
01:28:19.000Any last thoughts, any last comments, anything that you want the viewers listening to think about or any upcoming subset articles?
01:28:28.000Well, I just think everybody needs to challenge these people that work for us, that we elected, and don't let them get away with being silent.
01:28:37.000Silence is compliance and it's unethical if you are in a position of power and you are aware of the dangers of these shots.
01:29:05.000Well, we'll have to have you back on to talk about that when it comes out.
01:29:09.000Dr. Bowden, I want to thank you so much for spending your Friday evening talking with us and everything that you're doing to speak truth to power.
01:29:16.000I would encourage everybody to follow your X account where you're dropping receipts and bombshells and holding people accountable every single day.
01:29:25.000I find your posts to be very insightful and I just really appreciate you taking so much time on a Friday evening to...
01:29:32.000To inform people, concerned citizens of this country, about what appears to be a serious vetting crisis in the Trump administration.
01:29:41.000So where do people follow you if they want to read your Substack or view your tweets?
01:29:46.000It's mdbreed, is my handle, for both Twitter and Substack.
01:30:38.000And I've talked to all of them, people in the medical profession who I know.
01:30:41.000I'm like, what do you think about this?
01:30:42.000And it's funny because they all came to the same conclusion.
01:30:45.000And they said this woman is not qualified.
01:30:47.000Casey, that is Casey Means, to be the U.S. Surgeon General.
01:30:50.000So it's not too often that you have people on such polarizing sides of the political spectrum coming together to the same conclusion.
01:31:00.000Hopefully this information can make it to Donald Trump.
01:31:03.000I find it to be very alarming that there are people who work for the president to block this information, and then they try to make it seem like I'm a problem.
01:31:13.000I mean, every day, and after I bring on my next guest, I'm going to have an entire segment dedicated to loomer derangement syndrome just so that you can see the way that they viciously attack me for simply trying to do the right thing.
01:32:14.000I just find it to be really interesting how they're dedicating so much time with the mainstream media to smearing me for simply providing recommendations.
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01:36:33.000You've seen the developments over the last few weeks, really over the last month, since I first invited Justin Goodman, the Senior Vice President of the White Coat Waste Project, to come on my program, Loomer Unleashed.
01:36:45.000To break stories with me regarding the extension of funding of animal testing under the current Trump administration with our taxpayer money, we had Justin on the program on Tax Day to discuss how $20 billion of your tax money every single year is going towards funding cruel and abusive animal testing experiments and laboratories not just here, but also abroad in places like China.
01:37:09.000We had some developments this week with President Trump signing an executive order in the Oval Office with the NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. banning gain-of-function, right?
01:37:24.000Banning the funding of gain-of-function abroad.
01:37:26.000And what's interesting is that this announcement to stop funding of gain-of-function, which is what led to the COVID pandemic and the lockdowns and, you know, killed 1.2 million American citizens, right?
01:37:42.000you And it's not just mice that they're carrying out these experiments on, or bats, as we were told in the beginning of COVID.
01:38:04.000They're using dogs, and they're using cats, and they're using monkeys, and all types of animals, really.
01:38:11.000But primarily one of the most popular forms of animal species that is used in a lot of these animal experiments are beagles.
01:38:19.000And you learned on this program when I had Justin Goodman on the show that beagles are chosen as, you know, like this perfect specimen to be tested on in laboratories by these mad scientists because they're docile in nature and scientists have found that beagles are...
01:38:37.000you know like the least resistant and they're not going to be aggressive compared to other breeds and so essentially these mad scientists have ruled out the fact that if you want to abuse an animal the best animal to abuse is a beagle because they're not going to bite back and they're going to um I guess just allow you to do whatever you want to them and We've seen a lot of these really horrific experiments that have been uncovered and exposed by White Coat Waste,
01:39:05.000including the fact that the NIH, which is now led by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, whose headquarters office is out of Bethesda, Maryland, actually had an on-campus beagle lab that was still receiving funding and was set to be importing 24 beagles to their on-campus lab for these abusive experiments.
01:39:24.000Well, thanks to our reporting, well, thanks to the reporting by White Coat Waste and the reporting here on Loomer.
01:39:29.000It actually led to an announcement on Fox News this last Sunday by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and we talked about this on Tuesday's episode of Loomer Unleashed, that they were shutting down and closing the Beagle Lab on the NIH campus site.
01:39:46.000Well, there are still a lot of these abusive animal experiments happening in labs all across the country, right?
01:39:52.000And so a lot of people were gaslit into thinking that, wow, you know, the Trump administration is ending all beagle testing.
01:39:58.000We are still actually funding a lot of these abusive animal experiments in laboratories all across the country with our taxpayer money and also in...
01:40:06.000We also reported here on Loomer Unleashed, with the exclusive documentation provided by White Coat Waste, these horrific animal experiments that are being done through the DOD, the Department of Defense, under the current Trump administration, where over $10 million has been spent taxpayer money to literally shove marbles and condoms up the rectums of innocent cats to test for erectile dysfunction and electromagnetic shock experiments.
01:40:33.000I mean, we don't need to be shoving marbles up.
01:40:35.000The anus of any animal, let alone a cat.
01:40:38.000And I was alerted to the fact that there was going to be an animal rescue this week from some of these beagles across laboratories in our country that have been abused.
01:40:52.000And now they're going to be able to live a better life after being rescued.
01:40:55.000And a lot of people wondered, where do these beagles go after they get rescued from the laboratories?
01:41:01.000Well, in many cases, some of them have been euthanized.
01:41:04.000Luckily, there's an amazing organization out there called Kindness Ranch, and Kindness Ranch dedicates itself to traveling the country, rescuing these abused lab animals, specifically beagles, and they take them to a ranch that's located in Wyoming, and they find them homes, and they give them a better life so that they don't have to die in a laboratory or be tortured for the rest of their life in a laboratory.
01:41:26.000And what's amazing about this organization, Kindness Ranch, is that...
01:41:30.000They help find homes for these animals, and it doesn't matter how old the beagle is, they will try to find it a home so that it can live a better life.
01:41:43.000We can exclusively report that as of this week and over the next few weeks, Kindness Ranch is going to be saving 100 lab beagles, and they are going to be working with White Coat Waste to urge the Trump administration to retire all animals from NIH.
01:42:01.000We're going to be publishing this report tonight on Lumard.com.
01:42:05.000I wanted to break the news first here live on air, but I'll read a little bit of this report.
01:42:10.000On May 4th, 2025, the Trump administration's National Institutes of Health shut down the last Beagle experimentation lab inside its Maryland headquarters following a nine-year campaign led by the watchdog group White Coat Waste.
01:42:22.000And thank you to Elon Musk for investigating this because right after he replied to my tweet and said that he was going to investigate they announced that they were shutting it down.
01:42:31.000Now we can exclusively report tonight that more beagles have been rescued from cruel government testing.
01:42:36.000White Coat Waste and the Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary have offered to partner with the Trump administration to relocate animals from taxpayer-funded labs, and they have rescued 100 beagles from abusive testing labs.
01:42:48.000So joining me now to discuss this and to also release live on air these never-before-seen videos and photos from this beagle rescue, this heroic beagle rescue this week by John.
01:43:01.000John Raymer of Kindness Ranch is John Raymer himself, the executive director of Kindness Ranch.
01:43:07.000So, John, thank you so much for taking time to join me and thank you for your heroic actions this week.
01:43:13.000I know we've been communicating all week long.
01:43:16.000You were going to come on earlier in the week, but I thought that it would be better to end the week with, you know, the total amount of the dogs that you have rescued this week since...
01:43:25.000Every day this week you've been involved in traveling the country rescuing these animals.
01:43:44.000We have not published these videos yet, and we have not published the photos, so this is going to be the first time anybody has seen this.
01:43:50.000But what can you tell us about this mission that you have engaged in this week through your organization, Kindness Ranch, to save from this report that we're now releasing?
01:44:02.000It was going to be 70 beagles, but it's my understanding that you rescued even more beagles today, so now the number is 100 beagles that you have saved.
01:44:14.000Yes, by the first week of June we will have placed at least 101 beagles into different organizations that we partner with to find homes.
01:44:27.000Ranging from actually Canada to California to North Carolina, all over the place, because although we have a facility in Wyoming, it's really difficult to house that many beagles in a single facility and successfully place them into homes.
01:44:45.000Kindness Ranch was founded in 2007 by Dr. Grubman after he heard about animal testing and vivisection.
01:44:54.000And worked very quietly for years and years to just retire animals from laboratory testing facilities, predominantly surrounding Wyoming.
01:45:05.000There's a lot of animal testing that goes on in Colorado.
01:45:09.000Which is really ironic given the fact that Colorado is like hippy-dippy-ville, right?
01:45:17.000And I know you're an animal organization, so we don't need to have a big political conversation here.
01:45:23.000But it is kind of funny given the fact that all of the anti-Trump campaigns out of Colorado to try to strip Donald Trump from being on the ballot this last election season came out of Colorado.
01:45:34.000And so it's ironic given the fact that Trump's really the only president that's taking a stand against animal testing and animal cruelty.
01:45:41.000And Colorado is where all these liberal organizations.
01:45:44.000And these, like, tree hugger organizations are based out of.
01:45:47.000And yet it's one of the states where they're carrying out some of the most abusive and horrific experiments on animals.
01:45:54.000So I just wanted to get that little jab in because just more hypocrisy, in my opinion, from these organizations.
01:46:22.000But given the last couple of years with the Invego breeding facility being shut down and 4,000 beagles needing placed, And now with the recent spotlight on the NIH facility closing, Kindness Ranch kind of felt that it was time that we not just quietly stand in the background anymore.
01:46:45.000And we're proud of the work that we've done with Justin and White Coat Waste over the last couple of years.
01:46:51.000We're proud of the advocacy that we've done in D.C. We threw our support behind Nancy Mace recently for introducing Violet's Law to make mandatory retirement a thing.
01:47:04.000And we hope that our local representative, Lummis, will also support it as well.
01:47:08.000Yeah, let's go ahead and get that article pulled up on the screen, because Nancy Mace, of course, has been very outspoken and representative from South Carolina.
01:47:17.000She's been speaking out against the Monkey Island, where they're torturing a lot of animals, a lot of monkeys, in these abusive experiments.
01:47:27.000We've had Nancy Mace on the program before.
01:47:29.000I love her heart that she has for animals, and she's been a big advocate of white coat waste.
01:47:36.000Was very vocal against Fauci for these cruel experiments when white coat waste exposed to the world.
01:47:43.000The fact that Fauci was releasing fruit flies and other types of insects into these cages and laboratories where they were eating beagles alive and they were just watching these beagles suffer and struggle.
01:47:56.000Without any pain management whatsoever.
01:47:59.000And so let's get the article back on the screen because I want to go through it so people are familiar with this law.
01:48:14.000Reintroduced Violet's Law, a bill named after a dog saved from a taxpayer-funded experimentation lab by White Coat Waste Project.
01:48:20.000Wow, they're just like racking up so many W's this week.
01:48:23.000You know, maybe they need to change their abbreviation to WWW because all they do is win.
01:48:29.000And it requires all federal labs to allow animals to be retired and adopted out when testing ends.
01:48:35.000The legislation's reintroduction comes after it was supported by a bipartisan group of dozens of co-sponsors but did not move forward in 2023.
01:48:42.000There are more than 40,000 regulated animals locked in federal labs each year, according to the Medical Watchdog and Animal Rights Group.
01:48:50.000White Coat Lace is the group that blew the lid off the National Institute's health funding of gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China, and exposed longtime NIH physician Anthony Fauci for, let's scroll up, abusing his authority, science, and taxpayers when he was the head of the NIH.
01:49:09.000I know we saw this week President Trump.
01:49:11.000In addition to Nancy Mace proposing this legislation, we also saw President Trump hold a press conference in the Oval Office to ban gain-of-function funding.
01:49:23.000Any thoughts on that as somebody who travels the country rescuing animals in these laboratories where they're doing a lot of gain-of-function research?
01:49:32.000I have a lot of personal feelings about that.
01:49:35.000I'm proud of President Trump and the steps that he's taking for it.
01:49:38.000On a professional level, kindness ranch, we focus only on what happens when the dogs get out of research and when the animals get out.
01:49:48.000We don't publicly advocate against it, but we can all agree that beagles and cats are bipartisan and that as As humans, we should be treating them better.
01:50:04.000We should be better stewards and we should absolutely not be torturing animals.
01:50:10.000And like I said before, with the recent spotlight on this, now is the time to act as the public is becoming more aware of the millions upon millions of dollars being spent that is by design being spent in very secretive ways behind closed doors with these people.
01:50:44.000Before we go ahead and play these video clips for you and the viewers tonight of these very heroic rescue operations that you carried out this week, if you can tell us in detail kind of what your week was like because you...
01:50:59.000We're very busy this week rescuing all these beagles.
01:51:03.000If you can just kind of paint the picture and paint the scene for the viewers about how this process goes down and how you were able to get inside these laboratories to rescue all these dogs and just kind of start to finish from the moment you wake up to the end of the day, what it's like in the day of rescuing these tortured animals from these laboratories.
01:51:25.000Well, I spend the majority of my day sending out about 200 emails to testing facilities all over the country, trying to introduce myself, what we offer to these testing facilities with a confidential retirement of the animals when they're no longer used, and then wait for responses.
01:51:44.000And I would say 99% of the time my emails are ignored, and then we get the sudden influx like we have in the last week and a half, two weeks.
01:51:54.000Especially again with the public awareness of the NIH facility and what's going on there, a lot of these research facilities now have chosen to get out ahead of the negative press on what they're doing.
01:52:09.000And my email box was just blowing up with people wanting to release animals that are no longer being used.
01:52:18.000One of these facilities we've worked with for quite some time and they're in the process of phasing out almost all of their animal testing and will be closing in the next couple of years.
01:52:32.000That facility was in Colorado and then we got the phone call from a facility in Houston, Texas, which is where I'm at right now.
01:52:42.000And then we'll be going back to Colorado to pick up even more dogs.
01:52:47.000All of the dogs that we've released this last week were used in flea and tick and topical medication research which can sound non-invasive but as we develop longer term treatments for flea and ticks they have to be injected with these new chemicals and then exposed to massive amounts of fleas and ticks and a lot of discomfort can be involved in
01:53:17.000that but some of these dogs have been in long-term studies where they've been what's called recycled which means that they stay in contract facilities for their entire lives and are exposed to multiple different forms of research and two of the dogs that we got this week were both 11 years old and they were born in a That's
01:53:51.000I mean, how do you even rehabilitate a dog like that?
01:53:55.000I mean, the amount of anxiety and stress that a dog who is 11 years old who's never been able to go outside, I mean, how do you even begin to rehabilitate an animal like that?
01:54:06.000That's my amazing crew at Kindness Ranch.
01:54:10.000Dedicated caretakers that actually live and care with these dogs 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
01:54:17.000And they expose them to everything from a TV for the first time, the smell of coffee being made in the morning, to the joy of being able to use a dog door and go in and out as they please.
01:54:31.000A bittersweet story with one of the 11-year-old dogs that we just got out.
01:54:36.000This boy went outside for the very first time in his life and found the steps going down into the yard and had never used steps before and actually fell down one step and just laid there traumatized from what had just happened.
01:54:52.000You could tell that he'd never experienced anything like that before.
01:54:56.000And when he stood up and realized that he was okay and was touching grass and dirt for the very first time, got the zoomies and ran around for the next five minutes acting like an eight-week-old puppy for a little bit.
01:55:08.000It's so heartwarming when we see how quickly some of these dogs can bounce back from a life of trauma.
01:55:16.000And we have that never-before-seen clip here that you provided to us, so we're going to go ahead and play that clip now.
01:55:38.000You're outside for the first time That's so sweet.
01:55:52.000So you said you're in Texas right now, but the ranch is located in Wyoming, and we're going to show some more clips of some of these dogs that you rescued this week.
01:56:03.000So how do you transport them, and do they stay with you when you're at the hotel, or do they go straight back to Wyoming?
01:56:09.000It must be a really big, heavy-duty operation because I imagine that you're driving these dogs, or maybe you're flying them.
01:56:17.000Explain how your operation works in case there's people watching who want to donate to support what you do, or perhaps they have vehicles or modes of transportation to assist you in transporting these animals.
01:56:47.000She's in the van right now driving back to our little town in Wyoming with her daughter, Jess, with the 26 dogs.
01:56:55.000They're going to drive straight through and arrive tomorrow morning.
01:57:01.000I'm hoping to be able to fly in and meet them there early.
01:57:07.000It's an insane endeavor that the The transport, the care, it's absolutely overwhelming at times.
01:57:21.000And when we look at the calendar moving forward and all of the miles, we're going to log in our van going from Texas to our little town of just 64 people in Hartville, Wyoming, to Los Angeles.
01:57:33.000And then we'll be headed down to the Gulf Coast in a couple of weeks to get even more dogs.
01:57:40.000Well, if we had the funding, we would happily buy another van and hire another transport person so my wife could actually spend some time at home.
01:57:53.000I mean, what are we talking about financially?
01:57:55.000Like, how much money would it be to buy one of these vans?
01:57:58.000You know, I'm just trying to understand, like, how this all works, because you're saying she's transporting 26 of these dogs back, and you're saying it's going to be straight through.
01:58:06.000How many times does your wife and its two people in the van have to stop to let these dogs out to go to the bathroom?
01:58:13.000Because I have four dogs, and I know that whenever I drive my dogs, it's like, you know, every two hours I'm stopping because I have little dogs, you know, and they have, like, little tiny bladders.
01:58:21.000So, unless I want pee all over my car.
01:58:38.000We have found that, strangely enough, Love's Truck Stops have amazing little dog parks for us to stop at, and we'll let each dog out.
01:58:47.000We stop roughly about every four hours.
01:58:49.000We're also a USDA-regulated facility, so we have to have an exercise plan in place for these dogs that we abide by.
01:58:56.000And so we stop about every four hours at Love's Truck Stops and fill up the van, go to the dog park, let the dogs stretch their legs a little bit.
02:00:59.000Well, I want to help you out, and I want to create a GiveSendGo account, and I'm going to create a GiveSendGo for you, and I'm going to use my platform and my Twitter account to help you guys buy a new van.
02:01:12.000And I want to create a GiveSendGo with a goal of $80,000 so that we can try to help you and your wife get your dream of getting another...
02:01:22.000Another van so that you can help rescue more of these dogs.
02:01:25.000So that's what I want to do for you because, you know, I have a lot of followers and a lot of generous followers and supporters who believe in animal rescue and they've been very touched by the work of White Coat Waste and I'm very touched by, you know, the work that you're doing to rescue these animals and as somebody who has four dogs myself, three of them are rescues.
02:01:45.000Animal rescue is very near and dear to my heart and...
02:01:50.000I'd like to believe that the Trump administration is going to do good by these animals and that President Trump just hasn't been made aware of the extent of all of these laboratories and animal testing, but that deep down he has a very kind heart and believes in ending animal cruelty.
02:02:07.000I'm very focused on trying to deliver this message to the Trump administration so that we can try to get these cruel laboratories and the funding for these experiments shut down because Yeah, I just think it needs to end.
02:02:36.000It's when people with a platform like yours become aware of something like this and jump in to help it, it really makes the world a better place.
02:02:44.000And I greatly appreciate that and you for doing this.
02:02:51.000I want to thank you for what you're doing.
02:02:52.000I want to play some more of these clips and show some more of these videos because we have even more photos of these dogs that you rescued this week just so people can see.
02:03:01.000The process so I'm just gonna go ahead and start showing some of these back-to-back Here's some of the photos.
02:03:10.000We'll show the photos first some of the dogs The
02:03:42.000most amazing part of that transformation is they went from being so scared and shut down in the crates when we first loaded them up to less than 24 hours later, smiling and experiencing sunlight outside.
02:03:55.000It's so, so bittersweet to see them become the happy, functioning, balanced dogs that they were intended to be.
02:04:08.000How do you get these laboratories to agree to allow you to come and take these dogs when they would otherwise be euthanized?
02:04:17.000It is quite the process, and sometimes it goes from just the caretakers that they hire.
02:04:25.000You know, the scientists aren't the ones that are caring for the dogs while they're confined.
02:04:30.000The research facility that houses them has to hire caretakers to make sure that the dogs are fed and watered and they actually have veterinarians on staff.
02:04:39.000And just through social awareness campaigns and sharing our social media posts, some of these caretakers learn of what we do and then they approach the lab owners or the people funding the research and ask that the animals be released.
02:04:57.000This one facility here in Houston, they had no idea that a facility such as ours even existed until I literally showed up and knocked on their door.
02:05:07.000And when they answered the door and let me in and I told them who I was, they were so caught off guard that they just let this big animal rights advocate into their facility.
02:05:23.000They heard the services that we offer at no cost to them.
02:05:28.000And I was just informed today that they are now a full no-kill animal testing facility and that every animal that can be safely sent to us will be moving forward.
02:05:42.000And three years ago, they didn't know that we even existed.
02:05:45.000And now they're trying to make the turn to be more ethical in the work that's being done.
02:05:50.000Which animal retirement is a great stepping stone, but federally funded animal torture does need to stop.
02:06:00.000And I think that a lot of Americans were horrified when I had Justin Goodman on my show to learn that their taxpayer money was going towards funding these horrific experiments, which is why I decided to have him on my show.
02:06:15.000on tax day, April 15th, because I think it kind of like hits differently when you realize that after you just sent this big check or payment to the IRS, that they're literally using your money for taxpayer funded animal torture.
02:06:27.000So when you go and you try to find these labs, how do you find these labs?
02:06:32.000Are you given tips by whistleblowers who reach out to you, animal rights activists?
02:06:40.000Because I imagine that a lot of these labs are also private labs, and they probably have, you know, No signage.
02:06:47.000It's probably really hidden, and you have to really, you know, investigate their location.
02:06:52.000So what's the process of you finding these labs, you know, just to get people to agree?
02:06:59.000Because I'm sure that you said a lot of these labs don't even know you exist.
02:07:02.000So what's the process like of finding a lab, identifying a lab, and convincing them to let you inside to take these dogs?
02:07:12.000Well, I'll preface that with saying that the groups that we choose to work with, like White Coat Waste, we're very, very selective because a lot of the animal rights groups are a little bit more extreme and want to shame the individual without the understanding that what these research facilities are doing I'll be,
02:08:01.000I'll look on employment websites like Indeed and look for animal caretaker jobs and actually find contact information that way.
02:08:14.000The USDA has a searchable database of the animal research that they've approved and have records of, and you can actually find some NIH facilities through USDA searches on their website.
02:08:30.000Working with organizations like White Coat Waste and the information that they get from their FOIA requests, they can sometimes share contact information that they've been made privy to.
02:08:43.000And I'll just reach out with an email introduction and hopefully somebody will respond.
02:08:49.000But once I get in working well with a lab and they see that we're confidential, they see that we protect the publicly sensitive information.
02:08:59.000You know, a lot of the stuff that they're doing is intellectual property.
02:09:34.000And so how many laboratories would you say that you now partner with every single year on a continued basis that are still engaged in animal testing, but have agreed to?
02:09:45.000Not kill or euthanize these dogs and instead turn them over to you.
02:09:49.000If you can release that information, how many labs would you say you partner with?
02:09:53.000Right now we partner with just 11. I'm in communication with a little over 20. And you rescue, you say, 550.
02:10:10.000Of those dogs would you say end up dying?
02:10:12.000I mean, you rescue 550, but how many dogs within these research facilities of the 550, because there's more than 550, I imagine, have died before you can rescue them, so that people can kind of have an understanding of how many of these dogs are actually being killed in these shelters?
02:10:28.000We get out less than 1% of all dogs being tested on nationwide.
02:10:38.000How many beagles would you say per year are bred specifically by these government-funded breeders for the sake of being tested on?
02:10:47.000And I know that we discussed before I had you on the show tonight, and I talked about this with Justin, they specifically want beagles and these research documents and the FOIA requests that Justin has obtained at White Coat Ways show.
02:11:00.000That they actually mention they choose beagles because they're docile and they're not going to be aggressive and bite back or fight and resist the animal abuse like a lot of other breeds would.
02:11:10.000And they're not as strong as some of these other breeds that are very muscular and would put up a fight or, you know, not be very good research specimens.
02:11:24.000I think that we need to get the numbers to put this into perspective for the average person listening to this when they think of the $20 billion each year that's going towards these animal torture experiments.
02:11:35.000How many beagles would you say, maybe you have the numbers, maybe you don't, are being bred every single year for the purpose of animal testing?
02:11:44.000It's my understanding that last year at the end of 2024 there was a little over 42,000 beagles bred specifically for animal testing.
02:11:57.000How many of them are killed of the 42,000?
02:12:01.000How many of those beagles die each year?
02:12:04.000It's near impossible to tell because there's no disclosure policies nationwide.
02:12:13.000When states enact a mandatory retirement plan without a disclosure policy attached to it, there's no tracking of how many dogs actually make it out of research facilities alive.
02:12:25.000So the labs are left to be accountable to themselves without saying what happens to all of these dogs.
02:12:37.000You know, if they euthanize a dog, that has to be logged in their records, of course, but then when the veterinary board looks at that as opposed to the USDA, none of that stuff is shared publicly, which again goes back to the very secretive, almost cloak and dagger nature of animal testing.
02:12:55.000So, you know, in hopes as soon as animal retirement from Research is mandatory or policy nationwide.
02:13:05.000We'll be able to track how many dogs actually make it out alive.
02:13:09.000Because right now there's no way of knowing.
02:13:16.000I understand that you are also going to be having a gala coming up soon too where people can buy tickets and they can attend your gala and they can support the work that you're doing.
02:13:28.000What can you tell us about this gala and this event in case people watching want to attend or they want to donate?
02:13:33.000Because I think that the work that you're doing is very important and more people need to be supporting this type of work.
02:15:00.000We also have pictures of all of our adoptable animals and an adoption application.
02:15:05.000We have wonderful facilities in Wyoming that you can come, everything from a primitive campground.
02:15:13.000To guest yurts, which aren't the canvas-type yurts.
02:15:17.000They're very beautiful, well-built, stick-built yurts.
02:15:20.000We even have a large manor that can easily sleep 10 people if you want to come out with a group retreat and spend a week and volunteer and just hang out with some of the animals and see what we do.
02:15:34.000Wow, so you can actually go and stay on the property and volunteer and basically go glamping.
02:15:48.000So you can sleep with the dog and then you can basically teach the dog what it's like to have cuddles and be snuggled at night by an owner.
02:15:57.000Yeah, you can be part of the rehabilitation process.
02:16:01.000Man, that sounds like my dream vacation, although I feel like that'd be really dangerous.
02:16:10.000Well, you know, we were lucky enough that we now have 16 Starlink installations throughout the property, so we have good enough internet you could come out and stream from there if you wanted to.
02:17:07.000And when Starlink became available, I was an early adopter for sure.
02:17:11.000And now it's all over our 1,200-acre property out there.
02:17:15.000And so you're the owner of this 1,200-acre property or your organization is the owner and you live on the ranch and then you just take care of these animals and live with them 24-7?
02:17:56.000That's pretty, like, nice that they allow for, you know, this massive sanctuary so that people can just, you know, hang out with animals and rescue them.
02:18:53.000I didn't know that you could actually camp out with the dogs there and volunteer for a week.
02:18:59.000I want to go to Wyoming and check it out.
02:19:00.000I'm going to have to come down to the ranch.
02:19:02.000So if people want to adopt one of these beagles, because I see people in the comments right now, let's go to the chat because I know that we have a few people that are asking questions.
02:19:58.000We highly encourage people to come out and spend a night or two.
02:20:04.000These dogs are so special, and their pasts will be carried with them.
02:20:10.000So it usually works out best when people come out, spend a night or two and take a dog back to their yurt with them when they're on the property and spend the night with a dog that they're interested in to make sure that it's a good fit.
02:20:24.000And like you, if you have a lot of dogs, you can bring your dogs with you and introduce a new dog to the pack while you're there and make sure that it's a good fit instead of going through the adoption process and transporting a dog, say, to Seattle and it not working out and then having to bring the dog back.
02:20:50.000We'll do a video site visit and make sure that you have a secure fenced-in yard for the dog and that you have, you know, preferably a dog door.
02:20:59.000You just meet some basic qualifications and we can assist in helping arrange transport, but transport is usually arranged by the adopters.
02:21:10.000Work on a very tight budget, so we don't have all of that at our disposal.
02:21:15.000A second van would definitely help with that.
02:21:19.000Well, we're going to be creating a give-and-go, and hopefully we can help you raise the $80,000.
02:22:24.000Obviously, if you're going to be transporting that many dogs, that's not going to be the cost of a regular band.
02:22:30.000So that sounds more reasonable, honestly, than $80,000, $140,000.
02:22:34.000So I just wanted to know because we have a lot of really generous supporters here.
02:22:38.000When the Furry Friends Animal Rescue in Florida was destroyed, we were able to raise $50,000 for them.
02:22:44.000That's where I adopted one of my dogs, rescued one of my dogs who's blind, when the tornado destroyed the animal shelter, and my supporters are just so incredible, and they sprung into action, and within a week, we were able to raise $50,000.
02:23:00.000So I think that we'll be able to, hopefully, you know, I'm hoping, hoping we'll be able to raise the full $140,000, because that would be pretty amazing to be able to...
02:23:10.000Help you guys get another van so that you can rescue more of these dogs that are being tortured.
02:23:15.000You know, that's the least we could do.
02:23:17.000I mean, given the fact that our taxpayer money against our own will is being used to finance all this animal torture.
02:23:24.000You know, it's unfortunate that you unknowingly pay for it with your taxes and then a nonprofit has to be formed and solicit more money from taxpayers to clean up the mess that they've unknowingly paid for to start with.
02:23:43.000I am hopeful that in the next few weeks, hopefully, we'll see statements from maybe the Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth.
02:23:51.000I don't know, maybe more statements from NIH about these continued animal abuse experiments on taxpayer dime.
02:23:59.000Look, it's great that they're shutting down the on-campus lab.
02:24:02.000Or the beagles at NIH, but I was told that they also have a primate lab on campus.
02:24:06.000So what about all these other animal testing labs at NIH headquarters or these other animal experimentation laboratories that are being funded by our taxpayer money?
02:24:17.000Hopefully we see some more action on this because, look, regardless of whether you're a Trump supporter, we talk about political affiliation so much here, but...
02:24:27.000There's so many people on both sides of the aisle that are just totally neutralized when it comes to animals.
02:24:33.000I find that animals are the great uniter.
02:24:36.000And I think we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, regardless of our religion, I mean, maybe.
02:24:42.000There's some religions that aren't so nice to dogs.
02:24:45.000We don't have to talk about that, though.
02:24:47.000But, you know, you'd like to think that regardless of people's background and their race and their creed and their religion and their political affiliation, that...
02:24:56.000We can all at least agree that torturing animals is wrong and it's unethical and it's immoral and it should definitely not be funded by our taxpayer dollars.
02:25:06.000So I'm certainly going to be using my platform to highlight these issues more because I think that animal testing in this day and age with AI and all this advancement in technology, I'm not justifying it at any stage, but I guess it was somewhat understandable.
02:25:25.000Decades and decades and decades ago, I'm not justifying it, but all these excuses that they make, like, oh, we needed it for medical advancements, right?
02:25:34.000Maybe you could give these people the benefit of the doubt, but now that the science has proven that there's really no scientific evidence that suggests that doing these tests on mice or dogs or cats translates into the same science for human beings.
02:25:55.000There's no excuse for it, especially when these AI models, with the advancement of technology, can produce better results or better predictions for how a human being is going to react to something as opposed to torturing an animal in a laboratory.
02:26:09.000So I think that now that our science and technology has definitely evolved and it's more advanced than the most advanced it's ever been, there really should be absolutely zero tolerance, in my opinion, for any animal testing at all.
02:26:24.000When you break it down to the, well, as Justin says at White Coat Waste, stop the money, stop the madness.
02:26:33.000The financial incentivization of breeding dogs and selling them to research is so institutionalized and it's such a comfort zone on so many levels for these facilities.
02:26:46.000The FDA very plainly says that They are more comfortable reading the results that they're provided from animal testing than they are from AI.
02:26:58.000So we have to move the money from these facilities paying an average of $3,000 per dog to test on them to put that money into AI.
02:27:12.000If you're working with an AI model and you make a mistake, no living creature has to die.
02:27:18.000If you're testing on a dog and you make a mistake, that dog is dead and you have to go buy another one and put that one at risk as well.
02:27:27.000So it's just this horrible, horrible, vicious cycle that with just shifting the money and making AI more financially...
02:27:41.000And more broadly accepted, we can put an end to this in the next few years.
02:27:47.000We have the technology that we could put an end to most of it now, but there's no financial gain for these companies.
02:27:55.000When you think of the 42,000 dogs last year that were bred for research at an average cost of $3,000 per dog, why would you shut down?
02:28:05.000It doesn't cost that much to breed dogs.
02:28:35.000I think we played all these videos, and we are going to be posting these videos on Loomer Unleashed.
02:28:41.000We have a couple more videos, actually.
02:28:43.000Let's go ahead and play the rest of these videos, and then, you know, look if you can see your final thoughts.
02:28:48.000But we have more of these exclusive videos that you took this week while you were rescuing these animals, so let's go ahead and play the rest of them.
02:28:56.000This old-timer's 11 years old, spent his entire life in a research facility.
02:29:06.000Today is this little girl's first day of freedom outside of research.
02:29:13.000She was born in a lab, lived in a lab, and today it's raining and she gets to experience rain and grass for the very first time.
02:29:58.000Because don't they take these dogs outside to use the bathroom?
02:30:02.000It's crazy to me that they don't have a facility where these dogs can use the bathroom.
02:30:07.000A lot of the facilities that we work with, the dogs live in basically the equivalent of a human prison cell just with a drain in the floor and pine shavings and the caretakers just go in and clean it up.
02:30:27.000Dogs are inherently a clean creature and a lot of the dogs develop a habit of actually eating their own feces to keep their living area clean.
02:30:36.000And that's one of the things that we have to overcome and work with regularly with a lot of the dogs that we get out.
02:30:42.000It's a really unfortunate side effect of confinement for these guys.
02:31:23.000To be normalized into, you know, using the bathroom outside or going for walks and not eating their own feces.
02:31:31.000Every dog house environment that we have at the sanctuary, each dog has its own dog door.
02:31:38.000And we've found that over time and with just mild encouragement, the dogs prefer going outside instead of peeing and pooping in their living area.
02:31:52.000So once they learn that they have that availability to go in and out as they please and as they need to, they ultimately end up potty training themselves.
02:32:02.000And then there is an adjustment period when they go to a new adopted home because it's so overwhelming for them.
02:32:11.000You know, going from such a desensitized state to being flooded with all of the outside stimuli from...
02:32:19.000Traffic and sirens and phones ringing and all of the noises that you and I would take for granted.
02:32:26.000It's just absolutely overstimulating and overwhelming for them.
02:32:30.000So there's always going to be this adjustment period when a research animal goes into a home for a first time.
02:32:36.000So they're not going to be completely potty trained by the time they go into a home, but they have a good head start and they know that the possibility is there.
02:32:45.000They will look for a place outside of the home to go eventually.
02:33:02.000People just think of, oh, you know, they're tested on, but they don't think of the living conditions and how barbaric it is that they don't even get to go outside to use the bathroom.
02:33:12.000So they're just trapped in a prison cell.
02:33:17.000I didn't even realize that until I learned that from you and Justin.
02:33:21.000I thought that they at least took the research animals outside to use the bathroom, and so when I found out that they don't even let them go outside to use the bathroom, it's like a whole other level of torture and abuse when you think of sensory deprivation.
02:33:35.000They justify it because going outside and touching grass and being in dirt introduces variables to research.
02:33:44.000They have to come from a very controlled environment, and that sterleness is what they command for research animals and how they justify it.
02:35:42.000Have not been kept in crates and in laboratories for their entire life.
02:35:47.000I find it hard when you rescue a dog for the dog to socialize until about a year passes after you adopt them and rescue them.
02:35:54.000Do you have some happy stories you could share with us of some of these dogs that have been rescued that have turned their life around or have completely different lives now?
02:36:06.000There's one dog that jumps to mind immediately when you say that.
02:36:10.000A lot of the dogs will carry trauma with them throughout their lives and certain things will trigger them.
02:36:17.000My dog, Uno, who I've taken to Capitol Hill several times now to meet with people and show the success stories, he still has severe barrier reactivity and he's scared to death to go through new doors for the first time.
02:36:37.000Off your question is a dog named Flash that was given to us from a research facility because he was mentally suffering being confined.
02:36:49.000And all he would do is run circles in his kennel all day long.
02:36:57.000Caretakers or researchers would pick up the dog to test.
02:37:01.000He would get really, really squirmy is the word I was told.
02:37:07.000And he would start to bite some of the people doing research on him.
02:37:12.000And usually when a dog bites somebody in a research facility, they're just immediately euthanized because they're considered to pose a risk to the people there.
02:37:22.000And this facility did the right thing and they reached out to us.
02:37:26.000And we started to work with Flash for, oh geez, months on end.
02:37:32.000And we found this amazing adopter that really wanted to work with Flash to overcome all of his trauma.
02:37:45.000K-9 behaviorist that partners with us, Chelsea Marino at Command K-9.
02:37:52.000And Flash is now just the happiest, loving...
02:37:56.000Oh, he's just an amazing couch potato.
02:38:00.000And I see pictures of him and he's just relaxed.
02:38:04.000He's enjoying his new life with his family.
02:38:06.000He goes out and actually lays in the grass instead of his past life of just running circles on a concrete floor.
02:38:15.000Family member now and when I see these successes, it just inspires me to raise our numbers from 500 dogs a year to a thousand.
02:38:26.000I just want to keep doing this over and over and over because these dogs deserve better and the families that bring them in, their lives are forever changed for the better as well by opening up their doors to one of these dogs.
02:38:42.000It almost makes me tear up right now just talking about it.
02:38:46.000So sad, but it's such important work and I hope that people watching and listening will support your organization and that they will also consider adopting.
02:38:57.000Any last comments before I let you go tonight?
02:39:02.000With the spotlights that there are on all of the New legislation being introduced, the NIH facility being closed down, DOD, any federally funded research.
02:39:18.000Kindness Ranch has the partners, the resources, and the ability to take all of these animals, or at least at a bare minimum, assist in the placement of them.
02:39:28.000And we don't ask for much to get this done, but we want to be involved.
02:39:37.000And thank you, Laura, so much for your kindness and using your platform to raise awareness to this.
02:39:45.000Getting these places shut down is only the tip of the iceberg, and getting all of these animals safe and outside of research facilities is the next logical step.
02:39:56.000And we'll do whatever we can here at Loomer Unleashed to keep raising awareness about this issue.
02:40:02.000I encourage everybody to go to your website, kindnessranch.org, to make a donation or to fill out paperwork to adopt one of these rescued lab beagles.
02:40:12.000John, where do people go to follow you on social media?
02:40:16.000Or if they want to contact you and they want to get involved and support your work, how can they actually contact you and follow you?
02:40:25.000Most of our social media is Facebook and Instagram.
02:40:28.000That's where all of our adopters have groups that get together and talk about the stuff that they've overcome.
02:40:34.000You can send an email to info at kindnessranch.org to reach out with more generalized questions, and you can find and follow me just at John V. Raymer on all socials.
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02:44:04.000Before we close out tonight, God, it's been so crazy.
02:44:08.000There's so much Loomer Derangement Syndrome.
02:44:10.000We're going to have a Loomer Derangement Syndrome segment on this show going forward because these people in the media, they're just so crazy.
02:44:29.000Jimmy Kimmel decided to attack me for pointing out the obvious fact that the new Pope, the American Pope, the first American Pope is anti-Trump, pro-open borders, pro-legal alien, right?
02:44:43.000There's an article up on Loomer.com right now that you can read if you're interested documenting all of the anti-Trump comments and statements made by this new Pope.
02:44:52.000If you want to check it out, visit loomrood.com.
02:44:54.000It's on the front page of the website right now.
02:44:56.000And you can see all those receipts and screenshots yourself.
02:45:26.000I just pointed out the fact that he appears to have some pro-open borders Marxist takes and that he's a Trump-hater, and Jimmy Kimmel decided to pounce on that.
02:45:37.000Bloomer derangement syndrome, this is what we call this.
02:45:40.000Looney Laura Loomer says Catholics don't have anything good to look forward to.
02:45:44.000Just another Marxist puppet in the Vatican.
02:45:47.000This guy says the newly selected Pope trash Trump, trash vans, trash border enforcement, endorsed dreamer-style illegal immigration, repeatedly praised and honored George Floyd, and endorsed a Democrat senator's call for more gun control.
02:45:59.000To which Cat Turn 2 said, this is so bad.
02:46:03.000And another guy, I was considering becoming a Catholic, not anymore.
02:47:34.000Sources say National Security Advisor Mike Waltz will leave the Trump administration here in the coming days.
02:47:40.000Remember, it was just over a month ago that editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg published this piece detailing what happened after Waltz accidentally added him to a Signal group chat discussing plans for airstrikes on Yemen.
02:47:54.000CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter is here with more on the media's impact on this firestorm.
02:48:00.000Brian, full disclosure, you know Jeffrey Goldberg.
02:48:04.000Did he ever tell you exactly how he wound up in the group chat?
02:48:09.000What his theory is about why Walt's had him in his phone contacts?
02:48:16.000He was coy about that and didn't want to talk about his relationship with Waltz in the past.
02:48:21.000I've checked in the Goldberg again today.
02:48:22.000He's not commenting on this news about Waltz's expected departure.
02:48:25.000But The Atlantic is out with a notably sympathetic column about Waltz today, basically saying, look, Trump has an allergy to expertise.
02:48:33.000He doesn't want to know about national security.
02:48:35.000And so it makes sense that the national security aid is now in the discard pile.
02:48:39.000That's the take on The Atlantic website this afternoon.
02:48:42.000It's also really telling who is celebrating this news today, including Laura Loomer.
02:48:48.000She is a far-right Internet activist, online personality with a sordid history of conspiracy theories, and she loves to pick fights online.
02:48:57.000Loomer is considered so toxic by some Trump aides that they've tried to keep her out of meetings with President Trump in the past.
02:49:04.000But you might remember about a month ago, Loomer was able to get into the Oval Office and have face And today she is celebrating this, you know, report.
02:49:16.000She's basically saying she's winning scalps and she's telling her colleague Steve Contorno that there's a vetting crisis, a broader vetting crisis inside the White House.
02:49:24.000She says that in that Oval Office meeting a month ago, she was going to raise concerns about Mike Waltz directly to Trump, but then Waltz entered the room.
02:49:31.000And so she is essentially saying that Waltz is one of the many figures who needs to be out of this White House because they're insufficiently loyal to President Trump.
02:49:44.000But the people that she would consider qualified for jobs in the White House, the people who she would consider appropriate to work with Trump, I think that's a very different list than what kind of a normal mainstream America would consider the appropriate people to be in the White House working with President Trump.
02:50:01.000And it was the defense secretary who put information on that signal group chat that by various agency standards you would expect to be classified.
02:50:11.000But it was really Waltz's position that was undercut at the White House.
02:50:20.000And Hegseth, of course, has been perhaps the most sycophantic in his praise of President Trump in recent weeks.
02:50:28.000You know, if you go back and look at that cabinet meeting earlier this week, it was a very competitive situation with these cabinet secretaries and others going over the top in their support of Trump.
02:50:39.000But Hegseth has been right at the top of that list, working harder than ever in order to earn Trump's, I don't know if respect is the right word, but keep his job as defense.
02:50:50.000Ultimately, though, SignalGate, as we started to call it about a month ago, it's not going away, right?
02:50:55.000Just this week, there was an attempt in Congress to hold folks accountable and to follow up on SignalGate.
02:51:00.000This is not going to go away, even though Mike Waltz is reportedly going to be going away from his role as National Security Advisor.
02:51:06.000This is something that continues to haunt this White House.
02:51:09.000Trump, just a couple days ago at ABC, said the lesson of it is that people shouldn't use Signal.
02:51:14.000And that, well, that might be one takeaway.
02:52:28.000I guess some people are going to be professionally jealous.
02:52:30.000I mean, that's what's happening here is people are very professionally jealous that they don't have the intellectual capacity to come up with the information that I come up with.
02:52:47.000Let's play this other clip here from Dana Bash, another Trump hater, formerly married to Jeremy Bash, who is one of the 51 spies who lied.
02:53:01.000So all these people are just total Trump haters.
02:53:04.000And I say gatekeep at your own expense because Who are you really benefiting by gatekeeping when they say, oh, Laura Loomer is so toxic, you know, oh, you know, Laura Loomer is so toxic, even Trump needs to keep her out.
02:53:27.000And you prevent Trump loyalists from trying to give the president of the United States information that is going to help him make better decisions, help him protect himself.
02:53:36.000So, yeah, gatekeep at your own expense because if the Democrats take over again and they're able to impeach Donald Trump or, you know, a bad apple slips through the non-existent vetting process, well, yeah.
02:53:47.000It's going to have a blowback on everybody in the Trump administration because as we've seen, they're not just going to come after Donald Trump.
02:53:53.000They're going to attack everybody who works for him too.
02:55:37.000Strong standing inside the White House.
02:55:39.000I mean, I remember this morning, someone predicted to me back during the transition, before Trump even took office, that Mike Waltz would likely be the first one to go.
02:55:46.000And now he is marking the first major staff departure of President Trump's second term.
02:55:52.000And really, his job has kind of been in limbo all week.
02:55:54.000We had heard earlier this week that something was going on with him.
02:55:58.000Officials insisted to us yesterday that his job was safe.
02:56:01.000But there was a moment that CNN saw on Tuesday when the president was going to Michigan on his 100 days in office.
02:56:07.000And Mike Waltz, we noticed, traveled on Marine One with him.
02:56:10.000But ten minutes later, you see at Joint Base Andrews, that's his figure.
02:56:16.000It's only about a ten minute flight, so it's extremely odd to take the helicopter flight and then not actually go on the trip.
02:56:22.000I was told he was not supposed to go on the trip.
02:56:24.000And so people raised questions about what this moment meant.
02:56:27.000So we've been asking White House officials about it.
02:56:29.000And essentially it just got to a point where he didn't have a lot of confidence, not of the president, not of his senior staff.
02:56:35.000And he was told, I was told earlier this week, that his time as the National Security Advisor had come to an end and it was time for him to leave.
02:56:42.000And now we are told that he will be departing and so will his top deputy.
02:56:45.000So the world got to know him through his very, very unfortunate error of adding Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic to Signal Gate.
02:56:53.000But just by way of background, this is an important sort of detail, which is that, first of all, Mike Waltz is a very serious person.
02:57:26.000And so my understanding, and I'm curious what you all are hearing, is that never mind SignalGate, it was that very fundamental mistrust of him and skepticism of him and his perspective about the world that was also problematic.
02:57:47.000And I think Signal Gate was the reason for his departure, but not really what led up to it.
02:57:53.000And one of those pictures we just showed so interesting of Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff, despite their Florida roots, many, many Floridians inside the West Wing, including those two, I'm told that she has...
02:58:07.000Not been at odds with him necessarily, but not impressed by his work.
02:58:32.000And a lot of Republicans who I talked to at the transition were actually happy he was in the West Wing because they thought that he would sort of bring stability and things.
02:58:41.000But back to that point that Caitlin showed.
02:58:45.000The defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, is on the plane.
02:58:48.000And he flew to Michigan with the president.
02:58:51.000And I'm told the president throughout the day embraced the defense secretary.
02:58:55.000Yesterday at the cabinet meeting, it was so clear.
02:58:58.000So when you sort of step back to this, why Wall is not Hegseth?
02:59:01.000Because, as Caitlin said, he invited...
02:59:04.000Jeffrey Goldberg into the chat, and that was sort of seen as the original sin.
02:59:08.000And can I just say that that was captured by our photographers who were excellent, Jay McMichael and Christine Lean, who were there and spotted this and noticed that he didn't get on.
02:59:15.000Obviously, they are just as good as reporters as we are.
02:59:18.000Mike Waltz has been fighting for his job this week, though, ever since then.
02:59:21.000He was in the Cabinet meeting yesterday.
02:59:24.000I mean, he has certainly been doing the things that you would do to try to stay inside the administration.
02:59:28.000By the way, why Waltz and not Hegseth?
02:59:30.000Also, to the point that you were making, Dana, he was not seen as one of us in terms of the MAGA movement.
02:59:35.000So often on these issues, especially of foreign policy, it was Waltz and Ruby on one side and Vance, Wyckoff and the others on the other.
02:59:43.000We've been reporting for over a month now, ever since Signalgate, that Waltz was on the chopping block, that it was a ticking time bomb.
02:59:51.000The reason that he wasn't fired immediately after Signalgate was simply because Trump and the White House did not want to give the media a scalp.
03:00:11.000And she had a long list of people, not sure where she got it, but a long list of people on the national security front who were not considered loyalists, but it was obviously much more than that.
03:00:27.000And to the point of the other panelists, the fact that he was known as a more traditional Republican, hawkish in nature, which is in direct contrast to the Make America Great Again foreign doctrine.
03:00:38.000But I want to take another step back as well, back to that cabinet meeting yesterday.
03:00:42.000One of the things that was striking was how many of the cabinet officials suddenly gave an endorsement to Hegseth, right?
03:00:49.000Namely Lee Zeldin yesterday as well, who kind of gave an impassioned defense.
03:00:53.000We're talking about the greatest defense and national security head of his recent memory.
03:01:01.000What that signaled, I think, was that the rest of the West Wing were favoring Hegseth over Walts.
03:01:09.000If the president had to make this decision sometime this week, they were casting their votes on which one would be to go.
03:01:16.000Can we also talk, I mean, Dana, obviously longtime Capitol Hill reporter, how Speaker Mike Johnson is viewing this?
03:01:22.000Trump took several House members to put them in his cabinet.
03:01:25.000National Security Advisor is a cabinet-level position.
03:01:29.000Because Matt Gaetz obviously did not go on to be Attorney General.
03:01:31.000Elise Stefanik had her nomination then pulled.
03:01:35.000And then Mike Waltz, of course, now is the first major departure.
03:01:38.000Scaramucci is kind of mocking, you know, just how short his tenure was, saying, I think, that he had nine Scaramuccis.
03:01:44.000But it speaks to the level of this is something the White House wanted to do for a while, but they all wanted to wait until that 100-day period had hit.
03:01:52.000They didn't want anything to happen too soon.
03:02:25.000And then the special election was a lot closer than anybody had hoped.
03:02:31.000Now, to be fair to Mike Waltz, it was, well, I think maybe he could argue it's a good thing because he shows how popular he is.
03:02:38.000But also, Randy Fine, who then actually did win, a lot of Republicans were very, especially at the White House, were very frustrated about the way that he...
03:02:49.000Yes, they're very triggered by the fact that...
03:02:57.000You know, these clips are from a week ago, and I'm just now seeing these as of this week because there's so many clips because these people are so obsessed with attacking.
03:03:07.000They have such lumen derangement syndrome that every day people are like, did you see this clip?
03:03:12.000And I'm like, wow, you know, I haven't even seen all of the nasty clips.
03:03:22.000They're like, did you see what Brian Kilmeade just said about you on Fox News?
03:03:25.000And I had to go look and see what he said, too.
03:03:28.000Attacking me, saying that President Trump shouldn't take my advice and that I shouldn't have any credibility as it relates to who is hired.
03:03:38.000It's like, says the guy that worked with Fox News, Rupert Murdoch's entity, to help.
03:03:45.000Ron DeSantis run a shadow presidential campaign.
03:04:03.000I mean, I can handle it, of course, but Fox News' Brian Kilmeade gripes that Laura Loomer shouldn't have credibility to pick who serves in the Trump admin.
03:04:44.000Personally, that's just my own opinion.
03:04:47.000But, you know, it's hard to imagine somebody who's going to really be able to be the heir to President Trump's legacy here in the Republican Party.
03:04:56.000I don't really have high hopes for it.
03:05:01.000A lot of people want to instill false hope into people, but I just, I like being a realist.
03:05:07.000You know, I like living my life realistically.
03:05:10.000And the reality is is that we have a lot of weak people in the GOP and they don't have backbone and they're not genuine like Donald Trump and they're not honest like Donald Trump and they're not inspirational like Donald Trump.
03:05:24.000So I'm going to do what I can over these next over these next four years to help somebody who I believe is a transformative political figure a a heroic Historical figure who's going to go down in history as one of the most consequential and important Americans ever.
03:05:43.000So I don't really care what these people say about me because at the end of the day, I've actually done more than any of them combined to help Donald Trump.
03:05:52.000And what have I really gotten out of it?
03:05:55.000Aside from getting totally fucked out of jobs multiple times by people who are jealous of me.
03:06:04.000So I think it's really funny when you have people like Brian Kilmeade who come in and try to act like they have authority when we have all these different clips of Brian Kilmeade throughout the presidential election season simping for Ron DeSantis, playing baseball with him, trying to tee up his presidential campaign, saying that Trump is unhinged.
03:07:08.000So we have the clip here, and it's like, who do you trust?
03:07:11.000Do you trust me, the person that's risked everything to support Donald Trump, who continues to support Donald Trump despite nonstop attacks and sabotage from people within his own administration?
03:07:22.000Or somebody like Brian Kilmeade that literally gets paid to read bullshit to the American people every morning.
03:07:27.000Like, literally, stories for retards, okay?
03:07:31.000Steve Bannon always says that Fox News is TV for stupid people.
03:07:36.000Like, the most boomer-esque shit you'll ever see in your life.
03:07:39.000Like, oh, we woke up this morning and we're going to go to a diner and we're going to ask people, what do you like more, peanut butter or jelly?
03:07:47.000I mean, the world's on fire right now.
03:07:51.000China's about to conquer all of our oil assets in Venezuela and have a freaking, you know, CCP, CCP, you know, like...
03:08:06.000Extreme presence in the Western Hemisphere, okay?
03:08:09.000And all of these oil assets are going to be completely taken over by the Chinese Communist Party, and we're going to be surrounded in the Western Hemisphere by the CCP in China, okay?
03:08:19.000They're getting hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions of dollars, of our oil assets if these oil licenses expire by May 27th, as I've reported on my website.
03:08:27.000And these morons over at Fox News want to interview people in the morning about whether they like peanut butter or jelly and man on the streets.
03:08:35.000We're just not the same intellectually.
03:08:38.000And so I just think it's really funny that Brian Kilmeade wants to go around saying that Trump shouldn't listen to me.
03:08:45.000I suppose you should listen to you, Brian, right?
03:08:48.000Where you're attacking Donald Trump as unhinged and saying that Donald Trump was unhinged before January 6th and unhinged after January 6th.
03:09:04.000On a personal level, I deeply hate them.
03:09:06.000I hate all of these people who are just total con artists and total fraudsters.
03:09:11.000They are just lying their way to people's...
03:09:15.000You know, through people's living rooms on their TV screens every morning and trying to lie to the American people, kissing Trump's ass when they see him, knowing that they're trying to stab him in the back every chance they get.
03:11:16.000You know, and then when he sees Trump on the phone, I've known Trump for 15 years, and we're going to get Donald Trump on the phone this morning on Fox& Friends.
03:11:22.000It's like, you've never seen a bigger con artist in your life than the people on, you know, these people on Fox& Friends that just, like, talk shit about Trump.
03:11:30.000They take their marching orders from Rupert Murdoch, and they just lie nonstop about Donald Trump.
03:11:36.000And then, like, they kiss his ass when he comes on the show, and then they go on these programs, and they just smear him, and they attack him, and they lie about him.
03:11:45.000But look, they can say whatever they want to say about me.
03:11:47.000When we compare receipts and we look at who's actually sacrificed something for Donald Trump and who's actually put skin in the game, nobody can say that they've done more than me.
03:11:59.000So for any of these haters who want to attack and say that I shouldn't be anywhere near the president or that nobody should take my advice, let's compare resumes.
03:12:08.000Let's look at what you've done for Donald Trump and let's take a look at what I've done for Donald Trump.
03:14:33.000I'm just not one of these people that wants to go along to get along and pretend like I like them just for the sake of, you know, getting invited to their Christmas party so I can go to their galas and eat nasty rubber chicken.
03:14:45.000I'd rather be home with my dogs, to be honest with you.
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03:16:02.000With that, I hope you all have a fantastic weekend.
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03:16:23.000With that, thanks so much for tuning in.
03:16:26.000There's not going to be any Loomer Unleashed this next week because I need to travel.
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03:16:35.000There's going to be a little bit of a hold on Loomer Unleashed in the next week because I'm working on some very extensive reports and I will be traveling as well.
03:16:44.000So with that, thanks so much for tuning in and stay tuned for an update from me on social media for when the next episode of Loomer Unleashed will air.