Loomer Unleashed - July 08, 2025


EP131: Zohran Mamdani's Radical Roots EXPOSED


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Democrat socialist New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mandami identified himself as both Asian and African American on his application to Columbia University, even though he was not born in the United States, and the color of his skin is not black.

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00:21:38.000 Good evening, and welcome to episode 131 of Loomer Unleashed.
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00:22:26.000 Lots to talk about tonight.
00:22:28.000 We're going to be joined tonight by the friend of the show, Justin Goodman from White Coat Waste, who's going to provide us with some updates in the work that we're doing to end animal testing on the federal level.
00:22:38.000 And so we'll be joined by Justin momentarily.
00:22:41.000 But in the meantime, people are finally waking up to what a disaster it's going to be if Zoran Mandami, the Muslim communist candidate who I've been talking about now for months here on Loomer Unleashed, somebody who I guess is only now just peaking the interests of the Republican Party, although, you know, the elephant in the room is why did the Republican Party drop the ball so hard on this? 0.94
00:23:06.000 How come they weren't interested in warning people about who Zoran Mamdami is and what his affiliations are and his ties to communism and his open embrace of communist and jihadist policies?
00:23:18.000 Why are they only now reacting when they could have stopped him from becoming the Democrat mayoral nominee to begin with, right?
00:23:26.000 That's what I would like to know.
00:23:28.000 But again, I find the Republican Party to be very reactive as opposed to proactive.
00:23:33.000 But a lot has happened.
00:23:36.000 And because so many people are outraged over Zoron Mandami recently winning the Democrat nomination to be the next mayor of New York City, a lot of people are now looking into Zoron Mandami.
00:23:48.000 And there have been some pretty interesting discoveries and some new information that is coming out about him.
00:23:55.000 We always knew this would be the case. 0.99
00:23:57.000 And of course, he wouldn't be a Democrat nominee if he were not a hypocrite. 0.99
00:24:06.000 Because let's be honest, right? 0.99
00:24:08.000 These people live and breathe hypocrisy on a daily basis.
00:24:11.000 We're constantly talked to about the importance of DEI, identity politics. 0.98
00:24:18.000 We need to push black and brown people to the front of the line. 1.00
00:24:22.000 There's so much Islamophobia, right? 0.82
00:24:25.000 We're fed these talking points on a daily basis.
00:24:28.000 But Zoran Mandami is now getting called out by the black community because he identified.
00:24:34.000 There's a new report out that exposed the fact that he identified himself as Asian and African American on his application for Colombia.
00:24:44.000 Even though Zoran Mandami was not born in America, so he was not an American.
00:24:50.000 And he is not African American.
00:24:52.000 He was born in Uganda, right?
00:24:55.000 He's from Africa, but the color of his skin is not black.
00:24:59.000 And this has a lot of liberals crying misappropriation.
00:25:05.000 And people are offended and people are calling Zoron Mondami out.
00:25:08.000 And we've yet to really hear any explanation for Zoran himself explaining why he lied on his application to Columbia.
00:25:16.000 But let's go through this report and you can see for yourself.
00:25:19.000 Democratic socialist New York City mayoral frontrunner, Zoron Mondami.
00:25:22.000 I mean, isn't that incredible, right?
00:25:24.000 We're now saying Democrat socialist, New York City mayoral frontrunner.
00:25:28.000 You used to be so taboo and so fringe if you called yourself a socialist.
00:25:33.000 I remember when Bernie Sanders got exposed for being a socialist and he tried to deny it and say, no, I'm not a socialist.
00:25:39.000 I'm a Democrat.
00:25:40.000 And then people were pulling photos from his old articles, his old writings, his honeymoon in Russia.
00:25:47.000 It used to be so fringe to be a socialist.
00:25:50.000 And now people are just loud and proud about the fact that they're socialists.
00:25:56.000 Zoram Madami, a Muslim immigrant, identified as both Asian and African American on his Columbia University application, the report claims.
00:26:04.000 The 33-year-old checked both Asian and black or African American on his application to the Ivy League, which was ultimately rejected when he was a high school senior in 2009.
00:26:15.000 On Dami, born in Uganda, told the outlet that he doesn't identify as either race, but rather an American who was born in Africa.
00:26:23.000 Okay, but he's barely been a U.S. citizen for, what, seven, eight years?
00:26:28.000 And so he really wouldn't have even been an American by the legal definition of what it means to be an American when he applied for college. 0.99
00:26:39.000 So again, that's a bullshit answer. 0.93
00:26:41.000 An American who was born in Africa, he's not really being honest about the fact that he hasn't been a citizen longer than eight years. 0.99
00:26:47.000 So let's continue.
00:26:51.000 Most college applications don't have a box for Indian Ugandans.
00:26:54.000 So I checked multiple boxes trying to capture the fullness of my background, the Queen's lawmaker said, adding that he specified Ugandan in a section of the application that allowed for more detailed personal information.
00:27:06.000 Even though those boxes are constraining, I wanted my college application to reflect who I was.
00:27:11.000 Well, people aren't too happy about that because we all know what it means to be African American, right?
00:27:17.000 You have to be a black American. 1.00
00:27:19.000 And he is neither black nor was he an American at the time of his application.
00:27:26.000 And it doesn't end there for Mr. Mondami.
00:27:30.000 My favorite part about opposition research are all the deep dives into social media accounts.
00:27:35.000 And Zoron now is experiencing what it means to be in the limelight.
00:27:41.000 And a lot of people are doing deep dives.
00:27:43.000 Internet sleuths are looking into his background and digging up his old social media history.
00:27:48.000 And wow, gee, what a shocker. 0.83
00:27:51.000 What a shocker it is that a Muslim immigrant, a communist, an Islamic communist is derogatory towards Jews and Christians. 0.57
00:28:00.000 I'm so shocked, said nobody ever.
00:28:03.000 But we have several videos of Zoran Mandami mocking Hanukkah, mocking Christmas.
00:28:10.000 Again, he is a Muslim. 0.99
00:28:11.000 So as a devout Muslim and not just any Muslim, but a Shia Twelver Muslim, these people are very intolerant of Jews and Christians, and they believe in the eradication of non-Muslims, right? 0.98
00:28:26.000 They believe in the subjugation of non-Muslims. 0.96
00:28:29.000 If you are a non-Muslim, you are considered a Kafir. 0.97
00:28:32.000 You are basically considered like livestock to these Muslims. 1.00
00:28:36.000 They are very open about it in the Quran.
00:28:38.000 They're very open about it in their Islamic teachings, their Islamic ideology.
00:28:42.000 So I don't really understand why people are so shocked over these videos, but I'm going to play these videos for you anyway.
00:28:48.000 It's what I've been saying here on Lumer Unleash for several months now.
00:28:52.000 When you have somebody that is a devout Islamist, they are not going to be compatible with not just Western civilization, but also the Judeo-Christian values in which our country was founded upon. 1.00
00:29:02.000 We live in a majority Christian country, and you have a Muslim immigrant, a communist who is on video mocking Christmas. 1.00
00:29:12.000 How is that going to work?
00:29:12.000 How is Zorin Mondani supposed to represent the majority of this Christian country?
00:29:18.000 He wants to be mayor of New York City, arguably one of the most Jewish cities, if not the most Jewish city in the entire country, out of all the United States.
00:29:26.000 And he's on video mocking Hanukkah, mocking Jews, spinning dreidels, right?
00:29:33.000 He's been accused of being an anti-Semite. 0.93
00:29:36.000 I didn't even need to see this video of him spinning dreidels and mocking Hanukkah and mocking Jews and mocking Christians to tell you that he's an anti-Semite. 0.82
00:29:43.000 Because if you look at his own rhetoric and the fact that he is on video at Refuse Fascism Protests and he's on video supporting the Palestinian movement and marching with supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah, that was all the evidence I needed to tell you that this guy is a total anti-Semite.
00:30:01.000 So we're going to go ahead and play these videos.
00:30:02.000 Let's go ahead and play the video of Mandami mocking Hanukkah, clip number 15. 0.77
00:30:09.000 Mandami mocking Hanukkah, clip number 15.
00:30:37.000 Mandami mocking Hanukkah, clip number 15.
00:30:43.000 I'm not alone.
00:30:44.000 you Thank you.
00:30:45.000 Thank you.
00:30:47.000 Disrespectful, mocking Hanukkah. 0.99
00:30:51.000 And hey, it doesn't just end with the Jews. 0.96
00:30:53.000 Here's a video of Zoran Mandami also mocking Christmas in another bizarre rap video.
00:30:58.000 He is a rapper before he became an assembly member and now the Democrat frontrunner or no, the Democrat Socialist frontrunner for mayor in New York City.
00:31:07.000 let's go ahead and play clip number 17.
00:31:10.000 *Music*
00:31:40.000 *Music* you Thank you.
00:31:57.000 Just completely unhinged behavior and just very unbecoming of somebody who wants to be the mayor of one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the United States.
00:32:09.000 But it doesn't end there.
00:32:11.000 It's just every day there's a new piece of information that comes out about Zoran Mandami that proves how unfit he is.
00:32:18.000 And yet he is still in the lead.
00:32:20.000 It's unbelievable.
00:32:21.000 I don't understand how he's still in the lead.
00:32:23.000 He's beating Cuomo.
00:32:24.000 He's beating Adams.
00:32:25.000 He's beating Curtis.
00:32:27.000 It's just unbelievable To me, that Zoran Mandami has so much unflattering opposition, and yet the polls are showing that he's in the lead.
00:32:39.000 I don't really understand this phenomenon.
00:32:42.000 Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that so many immigrants have poured into New York City, and now these immigrants are voting for their own interests.
00:32:50.000 And there's over 1.5 million Muslims who are living in New York City, and perhaps all the Muslims are voting for their own interests.
00:32:57.000 On last episode of Loomer Unleashed, I played the clips of you for you of Siraj Wahaj, the Imam in New York City, who is friends with Linda Sarsour, who gave a max contribution donation to Zoran Mandami.
00:33:10.000 And Siraj Wahaj, who is an Imam and he was also an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, he was on video explaining how there's 1.5 million Muslims in New York City and how they should have this Islamic takeover of New York City. 0.88
00:33:26.000 And so perhaps that's really what it is.
00:33:28.000 Perhaps this poll is more representative of the immigrants and the Muslims who are showing their favorability towards Mondami over some of these other candidates.
00:33:37.000 Not saying that they're all pro-America, but I would say that if you had to choose the lesser of the evils, I would say anybody but Momdami. 0.99
00:33:48.000 But it gets even worse. 0.97
00:33:51.000 Not only did he lie on his college application about being Asian and being black, but also he's proud about the fact that he is an anti-white racist. 0.64
00:34:04.000 I talked about this extensively on the previous episode of Lumrie Unleashed and how Zoran Mandami discussed how he wants to tax white people and tax people who live in white neighborhoods higher than people of color who live in predominantly black or predominantly brown neighborhoods. 0.98
00:34:21.000 So he clearly hates white people. 0.94
00:34:23.000 And this is how he was raised. 0.99
00:34:25.000 His parents were radicals as well.
00:34:27.000 He comes from a very wealthy family. 0.90
00:34:29.000 So again, another one of these hypocrites, very much so, like AOC, who pretends like she's from the Bronx, but grew up in Westchester, which is arguably one of the most expensive counties in the United States. 0.99
00:34:40.000 And Zora Mandami grew up with parents who were multi-millionaires. 0.96
00:34:44.000 His mother is a very famous film director.
00:34:48.000 And here he is discussing how his mom used to make white actresses play waitresses in order to make them understand the plight of black and brown people. 0.94
00:35:00.000 So not only is Zoran Mondami a racist, but it appears that his parents are also racist. 0.88
00:35:05.000 Let's play clip number 13.
00:35:07.000 Because my mother made a film called Missibi Masala and met my father in the process of it.
00:35:12.000 And at the time, she was looking for funding for that film and she told the story.
00:35:16.000 It was about a love story between an African-American man and an Indian Ugandan woman.
00:35:20.000 And she went up to a financier and he said, Where are the white actors in this story?
00:35:25.000 And she said, Don't worry, they'll be the waiters.
00:35:28.000 And she taught me that if we don't tell our own stories, no one else will.
00:35:32.000 And too often when it comes to stories about people of color, by people of color, we don't have that funding.
00:35:40.000 And then everybody in the audience laughs.
00:35:43.000 Oh, don't worry, they're going to be the waitresses. 0.96
00:35:46.000 So you can see that his mother has a very demeaning attitude towards white people. 0.94
00:35:50.000 And Zoran, her son, has adopted that same mindset and that same racist mentality and that same racist attitude.
00:35:58.000 And you have to ask yourself, how is that going to translate into policies if he does in fact become the next mayor of New York City?
00:36:06.000 Is he going to start demonizing white people?
00:36:08.000 Is he going to start making it acceptable to be derogatory towards white people? 0.97
00:36:12.000 Is he going to favor blacks and Hispanics and Muslims over Christians and Jews and white people?
00:36:20.000 Well, yes, we already know that that's what he's going to do because he said it in his own words. 0.95
00:36:24.000 We don't need to imagine what a Zoran Mandami mayoral position is going to look like because, well, not just his mother, but even his father has crazy views about America and white people.
00:36:39.000 Let's play this clip, clip number 14 of Zoran Mandami's father talking about his anti-American views and his anti-white views on a panel.
00:36:48.000 The Nazi political project was shared by the Allies.
00:36:54.000 And that political project was to turn Germany into a pure nation, a pure nation rid of its minorities. 1.00
00:37:06.000 When the Allies defeated the Nazis and went into Eastern Europe, they began to create pure nations to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe of Germans, move them back into Germany. 0.93
00:37:28.000 One crime doesn't wipe out another.
00:37:32.000 A Christian nation state decides to cleanse it of all religious minorities, Jews and Muslims in particular, and at the same time launches a colonization experiment, the discovery of the Americas. 0.97
00:37:55.000 I argue that nationalism and colonialism are not two different things.
00:38:05.000 America is the genesis of what we call settler colonialism. 0.59
00:38:12.000 And the American model was exported all around the world.
00:38:18.000 In America, you have two kinds of minorities that have run the course of the history of the modern American state. 0.93
00:38:32.000 The American Indian and the African American.
00:38:37.000 Each has a different significance for our contemporary era.
00:38:44.000 The American Indians were the people on that land when the settlers conquered it.
00:38:56.000 First, this tried to eliminate as many Indians as possible. 0.99
00:39:02.000 This was the first recorded genocide in modern history.
00:39:08.000 Then with the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln generalized the solution of reservations.
00:39:16.000 They herded American Indians into separate territories. 0.96
00:39:23.000 For the Nazis, for the Nazis, this was the inspiration. 0.98
00:39:30.000 Hitler realized two things. 0.69
00:39:32.000 One, that genocide was doable.
00:39:36.000 It is possible to do genocide.
00:39:40.000 That's what Hitler realized. 0.95
00:39:43.000 Second thing Hitler realized is that you don't have to have a common citizenship. 0.66
00:39:50.000 You can differentiate between people.
00:39:52.000 The Nuremberg laws were patterned after American laws.
00:39:58.000 Anyway, the U.S. put Indians in reservations.
00:40:02.000 The U.S. invented the model, what we call today, the two-state solution.
00:40:10.000 The American state and alongside it several protectorates with degrees of autonomy, but no independence.
00:40:22.000 It has had its own effect, and we will realize the effect if we contrast it with what happened to the African Americans.
00:40:31.000 Because the African Americans were not put in a separate state.
00:40:35.000 The African Americans were part of the one state solution.
00:40:40.000 They were oppressed terribly within a single state.
00:40:45.000 But the thing is that the American Indians, by being put in separate states, were perpetually fragmented, isolated.
00:40:58.000 Up to today, the African Americans horribly oppressed, but had the possibility of building alliances with other oppressed peoples.
00:41:12.000 So we have a history of the same hundreds of years which have brought us to the point where we are with Black Lives Matter, which are at the forefront of progressive struggles in the U.S. So it's pretty obvious where Zoran Mandami gets his ideology and his values from.
00:41:34.000 He gets it from his parents.
00:41:35.000 He gets it from his mother, who is a film director, and he gets it from his father, who is still a professor at Columbia University, believe it or not.
00:41:43.000 I mean, it's pretty shocking that people like this are teaching Ivy League students, people who believe that America is inherently racist, and people who want to disenfranchise white people so that other people who are of a different skin color can get ahead.
00:41:58.000 And, you know, these are not the types of people who you want in leadership positions, people who are going to push society backward by trying to incite a race war, people who are going to demonize our background, people who are going to demonize our heritage and our culture, and people who have no respect for our country.
00:42:20.000 And this is why I've argued many times, and this is what I campaigned on too, when I ran for Congress, that foreigners should not be allowed to hold office in the United States of America. 1.00
00:42:29.000 We don't allow for foreign-born individuals to be able to become president of the United States or vice president of the United States. 1.00
00:42:36.000 And so my question is, why are so many foreigners now running for office in America?
00:42:40.000 Why are they allowed to be mayors or members of Congress?
00:42:43.000 And I just look around and I look at all of these different candidates who are running for office or some of them are even in office today.
00:42:51.000 And the biggest problems all happen to be immigrants or Islamists themselves. 1.00
00:42:57.000 Look at Zoran Mandami, Ilhan Omar. 0.71
00:43:00.000 You have Sri Thanadar.
00:43:02.000 You have Congresswoman Jay Paul.
00:43:04.000 There's so many representatives who share these communist values and these communist views, and they do not have any respect or regard for our nation.
00:43:14.000 And Zoran Mandami isn't the only one.
00:43:16.000 In fact, there are several other candidates who are running races very similar to Zoran Mandami.
00:43:24.000 I've identified these candidates and we're going to have a discussion about them.
00:43:28.000 And the question is, as I said in the beginning of the show tonight, why did the Republican Party drop the ball on Zoran Mandami and what are they doing to prevent other replicas of Zoran Mandami from also running for office and also winning their elections and further disrupting America's major cities and further disrupting Congress and further acquiring political power?
00:43:54.000 And so there are several candidates who are Islamic or have affiliations with Islamic movements and they are also communists who are running for Congress.
00:44:13.000 We'll go through these.
00:44:14.000 There's several of them.
00:44:16.000 Let's see.
00:44:16.000 We're going to be here all night.
00:44:19.000 We're going to be here all night if we go through all of these candidates.
00:44:24.000 Why don't we start with Kashama Sawat?
00:44:29.000 Gonna pull this up on the screen.
00:44:33.000 You guys are gonna be mind-blown when you see these candidates.
00:44:36.000 And you probably haven't even heard of these candidates, just like nobody even heard of Zoran Mandami until he won his election.
00:44:43.000 Of course, I had been discussing Zoran Mandami.
00:44:45.000 A few people had been discussing Zoran Mandami.
00:44:48.000 But for the most part, there's really not a lot of people talking about these other communist jihadist candidates running for office who are just kind of like waiting, you know, waiting on the sidelines, hoping nobody notices them.
00:45:02.000 And then they too are going to have the support and the campaign grassroots activity of DSA, right?
00:45:08.000 The Democrat Socialists of America.
00:45:10.000 And they're going to be knocking on doors and they're going to be hustling and they're going to be raising money and they're going to be doing the work to reach out to voters in a Democrat primary.
00:45:18.000 And then people are going to wonder how, oh, open communist wins a congressional seat.
00:45:22.000 Open communist becomes the mayor of New York City.
00:45:25.000 Open communist wins this seat, right?
00:45:27.000 It's very dangerous.
00:45:28.000 And it's happening because The Republican Party is not doing enough to combat these candidates on a local level when they have the opportunity to start when these candidates run on a local level.
00:45:39.000 They could have done that with Zoran Mandami, but they chose not to.
00:45:42.000 So let's go through Kashama Sawant.
00:45:47.000 Who is Kashama Sawant?
00:45:49.000 Well, she's an Indian American politician and she's a socialist. 1.00
00:45:54.000 She is an open socialist.
00:45:56.000 She's a member of the Seattle City Council.
00:45:59.000 You can see here.
00:46:00.000 She's a former member of the Seattle City Council.
00:46:04.000 And she's now running for Congress. 0.99
00:46:07.000 She is running for Congress in Washington state.
00:46:12.000 Sawant filed to run for Washington State's 9th congressional district as an independent on Monday, challenging Smith, a Democrat who has represented the district since 1997.
00:46:22.000 So it's the AOC model where you have a grassroots candidate who's an open socialist or an open communist, and they find a Democrat incumbent who has been in office for a very long time, somebody who is a career politician who has likely taken their seat for granted, somebody like Representative Adam Smith.
00:46:47.000 And she's probably going to outwork him. 1.00
00:46:50.000 I don't see Adam Smith probably knocking on doors and making phone calls and mobilizing the youth to get out the vote.
00:46:57.000 He's probably thinking, well, you know, I've been in office since 1997.
00:47:02.000 Who is this person that thinks that she's going to come up against me and take my seat? 0.86
00:47:07.000 Well, that's exactly what AOC did.
00:47:09.000 And she was able to unseat one of the most powerful Democrats in the United States Congress. 0.69
00:47:15.000 And he was completely taken aback by this.
00:47:19.000 He didn't see it coming.
00:47:21.000 And then overnight, she became a sensation.
00:47:24.000 She became an icon for the left.
00:47:27.000 And now AOC is traveling the country with Bernie Sanders.
00:47:30.000 And they are campaigning, encouraging other candidates, grassroots progressive, socialist and communist candidates to also run for office.
00:47:38.000 And it's no surprise that AOC has endorsed Zoran Mondami.
00:47:42.000 She has campaigned with Zoran Mondami.
00:47:44.000 She is fully in support of his campaign.
00:47:47.000 And look, who knows if Sawant is going to win her election challenging Democrat Representative Adam Smith in Washington state?
00:47:57.000 But if I was a betting woman, I would say that she is likely going to win the election because I don't really see the Democrat Party doing anything to combat the rise of progressive rot in their own party, just like the Republicans aren't doing enough to raise awareness about the rise of these very dangerous communists, openly communist candidates.
00:48:16.000 And they're trying to disguise it with softer language, right?
00:48:20.000 They say that these are progressive candidates, progressive candidates who deserve to be in office, that they're younger, they're harder working than the Democrat establishment.
00:48:31.000 But the reality is, is these people are open communists.
00:48:35.000 Here's just some of her background in case you aren't familiar of with her background or her platform.
00:48:41.000 Sawant was a member of Socialist Alternative, becoming the first from the party to win public office until she left in 2024 to form Revolutionary Workers, right?
00:48:52.000 So she is forming and creating her own communist movements in the state of Washington.
00:48:59.000 She gained prominence advocating for progressive policies, including leading the push for Seattle's $15 minimum wage in 2014.
00:49:09.000 She's also a champion of rent control. 0.56
00:49:11.000 Oh, wow, where have we heard of rent control?
00:49:13.000 Zoran Mandami talking about how he wants to freeze the rent.
00:49:18.000 Of course, she wants to defund the police. 0.99
00:49:20.000 She wants higher taxes on corporations like Amazon. 1.00
00:49:24.000 And she said that she wants a ban on caste discrimination in 2023.
00:49:30.000 So this is ironic.
00:49:32.000 These people say that they want to have a ban on caste discrimination.
00:49:35.000 Mind you, she's an Indian. 1.00
00:49:37.000 She's from India.
00:49:39.000 But they themselves want to have their own caste system where they demonize rich people.
00:49:43.000 So it's kind of ironic, right?
00:49:45.000 How these people talk about how they're fighting oppression, but then they want to demonize and delegitimize wealthy people who are in fact paying their fair share of taxes in this country, putting the bill for others who are not paying as much in taxes.
00:49:59.000 And yet she calls herself a progressive.
00:50:02.000 It's always the people that call themselves progressives who are the most intolerant in society.
00:50:08.000 So Want rejects both major U.S. political parties.
00:50:11.000 She advocates for a society that is ruled by democratic socialism.
00:50:16.000 So of course, another Mondami in the making. 0.92
00:50:20.000 And then she criticizes corporate influence.
00:50:27.000 She has even had a visa denied by the Indian government in 2024 and 2025.
00:50:33.000 So that's pretty interesting.
00:50:35.000 Even though she's an Indian herself, India doesn't want anything to do with her because she's so radical and she has associations with jihadists and Islamists who the Indian government view as a threat to India, their national security.
00:50:50.000 So if India's own government won't even allow an Indian woman into their country because they think that she's a national security threat, right?
00:50:58.000 Indian consulate denies visa to U.S. politician Hashama Sawant.
00:51:03.000 She says it's because, well, the consulate did not provide any further information on the matter, but Hashama Sawant alleged she was denied the visa because her name was on a reject list.
00:51:12.000 Well, why would your name be on a reject list?
00:51:14.000 Why would your name be on a reject list?
00:51:17.000 Well, clearly they view you as a national security threat.
00:51:21.000 Maybe it has something to do with the fact that she associates with the Palestinian movement.
00:51:25.000 And these people are openly pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah and pro-Islamist.
00:51:31.000 And there has been a lot of aggression towards India from these Islamists. 0.99
00:51:35.000 And there's this whole new movement, right?
00:51:37.000 Just because you're an Indian or you're of India descent doesn't mean that you're pro-India.
00:51:42.000 There's this whole new movement that people like Zoran Mandami are trying to make popular, where you have people who have these, you know, Indian, Southeast Asian backgrounds, but they're Muslim or they themselves are converts to Islam or they have parents who are Muslim or they openly support and embrace Islam And they are hostile towards India, hostile towards India's leader, Modi.
00:52:05.000 Zoran Mandami, just the other day, said that he thinks that Modi and Netanyahu should be tried for war crimes.
00:52:11.000 Well, war crimes for what?
00:52:13.000 Fighting back against jihadists, fighting back against militant Islamists that are murdering innocent Hindus or murdering innocent Jews.
00:52:20.000 Again, that's probably the reason why she was rejected and denied a visa from entering India.
00:52:26.000 And you have to ask yourself, if somebody is going to be denied a visa into India because of their associations with Islamists or their associations with radical left movements that India views as a national security threat, why on earth would we want this person serving in the United States Congress?
00:52:43.000 So again, there's barely any coverage on Kashama Sawant, but I predict that she's going to be the next Democrat socialist communist star that ends up unseating a career politician Democrat.
00:52:57.000 And of course, Washington state is very liberal and this district is a stronghold for Democrats.
00:53:03.000 And so if she wins the primary, which she has a very strong chance of winning, she could in fact become a member of the United States Congress.
00:53:12.000 In fact, she probably will be a member of the United States Congress if she is successful in defeating Representative Smith from his seat.
00:53:20.000 Let's see.
00:53:20.000 Who is Kashama Sawan?
00:53:22.000 Seattle consulate denies visa to Indian American politician over Modi government's reject list.
00:53:26.000 So again, you're not really seeing any mainstream coverage of this.
00:53:31.000 Here's some, you know, one little local news article on a site called livemint.com.
00:53:36.000 Not exactly a mainstream news source.
00:53:39.000 But of course, when she is successful in winning her primary and unseating this career politician in Washington, people are going to say, oh my God, did you know we have an open Democrat socialist and open communist who's going to become a member of Congress?
00:53:56.000 And I'm just going to be sitting over here nodding my head saying, uh-huh.
00:54:00.000 Yep.
00:54:02.000 Because nobody's paying attention.
00:54:04.000 Nobody wants to pay attention until it's too late.
00:54:08.000 So she's got a lot of really crazy social media posts.
00:54:13.000 Here's a clip of her saying, well, it's still shot.
00:54:19.000 Here we go.
00:54:19.000 Consular office said, I'm being denied a visa because I'm on Modi's government reject list.
00:54:23.000 It's clear why.
00:54:24.000 My socialist city council office passed a resolution condemning Modi's anti-Muslim, anti-poor, CAA-NRC citizenship law.
00:54:34.000 You can open it and expand that a little bit more.
00:54:39.000 We also want a historic ban on caste discrimination.
00:54:43.000 So again, she's saying that it's because of Modi.
00:54:51.000 And of course, she invokes Muslims, right? 0.90
00:54:54.000 My socialist city council office passed a resolution condemning Modi's anti-Muslim, anti-poor citizenship law.
00:55:02.000 So of course, Modi isn't anti-Muslim.
00:55:07.000 It's not like Modi is discriminating against Muslims.
00:55:10.000 There's a lot of Muslims that live in India. 0.77
00:55:12.000 What Modi is trying to combat are Islamic terrorists who are committing violence against non-Muslims, Islamic terrorists who are committing terrorist attacks and blowing up Hindus and committing what they call religious violence, okay, in the name of Islam, because they want to establish an Islamic caliphate and they don't want to coexist in India with Hindus. 0.92
00:55:35.000 So when she says anti-Muslim, right, she is defending the Islamists. 1.00
00:55:42.000 She is defending the Islamists that Modi himself is trying to crack down on. 0.60
00:55:47.000 So again, you have to ask yourself, how is this going to impact our country?
00:55:52.000 Well, it's going to have a disastrous effect on our national security.
00:55:56.000 If you have people like, and again, her name is so difficult to pronounce, but I'll do my best.
00:56:03.000 Kashama Sawant.
00:56:04.000 Kashama Sawant.
00:56:06.000 I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it right.
00:56:09.000 Kashama Sawant.
00:56:11.000 Moral of the story is when we start to have people with names like Sri Thanadar and Jayapal and Mandami and Kashama Sawant and Omar and Talib in our Congress, we have a problem.
00:56:29.000 We have a major problem.
00:56:31.000 We have a major problem when people like this start to amass massive amounts of political power.
00:56:39.000 Their values are not our values.
00:56:41.000 And it's not racist to say that.
00:56:43.000 Just listen to the things that come out of their mouth.
00:56:46.000 And again, we're going to be talking about animal testing tonight on the show.
00:56:49.000 We're going to be talking about advances in ending animal testing here in the United States.
00:56:55.000 Not only do some of these people have values that are just completely anti-Western, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, but a lot of these people come from cultures where it's completely acceptable to abuse animals.
00:57:06.000 We just discussed on the previous episode of Loomer Unleashed, the Egyptian immigrant who got deported after he kicked a beagle, a DHS Border Patrol, customs Border Patrol beagle that was inspecting luggage at the airport. 0.96
00:57:21.000 Okay, so these Islamists, they hate dogs. 0.82
00:57:25.000 They think that animals are dirty. 0.86
00:57:26.000 They don't believe in pet ownership and they're very abusive towards dogs.
00:57:30.000 And in the case of these Indian communists that are now trying to amass massive amounts of political power in our Congress, whether it's Kashana Sawant or Jayapal or Sri Thanadar, they also have disturbing views towards animals. 0.85
00:57:46.000 Look at Sri Thanadar, who introduced articles of impeachment against President Trump.
00:57:51.000 Sri Thanadar was accused of abusing monkeys and dogs in a lab.
00:57:56.000 We have this article.
00:57:57.000 We can get this pulled up.
00:57:58.000 We talked about this extensively on Loomer Unleashed several months ago when he introduced his articles of impeachment.
00:58:05.000 And you have to ask yourself, how does an Indian immigrant who barely speaks any English, who abandoned animals at a testing lab, become a member of Congress? 1.00
00:58:13.000 So these are things to keep in mind as you see people like Zoran Mandami rising to positions of power, when you see people like Kashama Sawant in her primary campaign against Representative Adam Smith.
00:58:28.000 So people will brush this off and they'll say, oh, these people are too radical.
00:58:33.000 They're never going to make it into Congress.
00:58:35.000 Well, think again.
00:58:38.000 Before we bring our guest on, I have another candidate, another example of one of these jihadi candidates who are sympathetic towards Islamism and openly support communist policies and communist political movements.
00:58:57.000 Saikat.
00:58:59.000 And again.
00:59:02.000 You're probably like, why is she pausing?
00:59:04.000 I can't even pronounce these people's names.
00:59:06.000 Okay.
00:59:07.000 I don't even know how to pronounce their names.
00:59:09.000 Kashana Sawant.
00:59:11.000 Here's another guy.
00:59:12.000 Saikot Chakrabarti.
00:59:15.000 He's trying to primary Nancy Pelosi.
00:59:18.000 He's another one.
00:59:19.000 I don't even know how to pronounce it.
00:59:20.000 Who knows if I'm pronouncing this right?
00:59:22.000 Saikot, Saikot Chakrabarty.
00:59:26.000 I have no idea.
00:59:27.000 Anyway, he's another fanboy of Zoran Mandami, another one of these candidates who has the support of the Democrat Socialists of America and the Communist Party of America.
00:59:39.000 Nancy Pelosi faces primary challenge from former AOC aide. 1.00
00:59:43.000 Again, another affiliate of AOC.
00:59:46.000 She was really the first one to make it, right?
00:59:48.000 To break the mold.
00:59:49.000 As I was discussing with Kashama Sawat, it's the same exact playbook.
00:59:54.000 Find a vulnerable Democrat incumbent, a career politician who's lazy, who takes their seat for advantage, and make them think that they are not going to have, you know, a serious challenger.
01:00:08.000 And then you get a ton of grassroots donations and you get a ton of grassroots support and you knock on doors.
01:00:13.000 And before you know it, the Democrat incumbent is experiencing a massive and very embarrassing election defeat on election night when these Democrats and look, it's Republicans as well.
01:00:26.000 I ran against a Republican incumbent career politician.
01:00:29.000 They don't even throw election parties because they think, well, I can just watch from the comfort of my own couch at home because I'm not going to lose my election.
01:00:38.000 And that's exactly what AOC's opponent did, her Democrat incumbent opponent.
01:00:45.000 I don't even think he had an election victory party because he was sitting at home and he was so confident that he was going to win.
01:00:51.000 I don't even think that he saw it coming.
01:00:55.000 And that's what's going to happen here too.
01:00:57.000 I would not be surprised if Nancy Pelosi gets unseated by this former AOC aide. 0.98
01:01:02.000 Do you see anybody talking about this?
01:01:04.000 Barely.
01:01:04.000 I mean, there's an article that talks about how she's facing a primary challenge from a former AOC aide.
01:01:09.000 But aside from that, you're not really seeing any news coverage.
01:01:13.000 This came out on February 5th, 2025, but nobody's really talking about it.
01:01:18.000 You can scroll down.
01:01:21.000 Sykot Chakrabarty, a former chief of staff for AOC, announced that he would challenge Pelosi in the primary, citing the former speaker's efforts to prevent the progressive New York Congress member from becoming the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee.
01:01:35.000 Quote, I respect what Nancy has accomplished in her career, but we are living in a totally different America than the one she knew when she entered politics 45 years ago, Chakrabarty, a 39-year-old former tech worker, said in a social media post.
01:01:49.000 America is stuck and Americans want real solutions that are as big as the problems we face.
01:01:55.000 Okay, using the same talking points as Zoran Mandami.
01:01:58.000 And again, it's a whole entire network.
01:02:01.000 It's an entire network.
01:02:03.000 It's a network of AOC, Kashama Sawant, Zoran Mandami, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, the Communist Party of America, Democrat Socialists of America, Palestinian Youth Movement, okay, Party of Socialism and Liberation, all of these radical groups working together to disrupt the Democrat establishment.
01:02:25.000 And the Democrat establishment is thinking, well, you know, we have the money.
01:02:29.000 We control the purse.
01:02:30.000 These people are never going to be able to beat us.
01:02:32.000 But it is that attitude of arrogance.
01:02:35.000 And I will say it's an attitude of arrogance that is displayed and exerted by establishment politicians on both sides of the political aisle, right?
01:02:44.000 This unit party, the Republicans and the Democrats.
01:02:47.000 And then they get blindsided.
01:02:48.000 They get blindsided.
01:02:50.000 I mean, look, Daniel Webster thought that I was never going to come anywhere near taking his seat.
01:02:56.000 And that was a very close election.
01:02:58.000 And mind you, I had no access to social media.
01:03:00.000 And I ran a grassroots campaign, right?
01:03:02.000 Because I said that we needed to have a hostile takeover of the Republican Party and we needed to have an America first takeover of the establishment Republican seats in Congress to fulfill the will of the MAGA agenda and to support President Trump.
01:03:16.000 And if I had actually had access to social media, I would be in Congress.
01:03:20.000 So I know how this works because I too was a grassroots anti-establishment candidate that was able to raise a lot of money and get a lot of grassroots support and nearly knocked out a, you know, 40-year Republican incumbent.
01:03:35.000 So trust me when I say it can happen where there is a will, there's a way.
01:03:39.000 And these candidates, no matter how crazy they are, will say credit where credit's due.
01:03:44.000 They might be immigrants who have anti-American views. 0.98
01:03:47.000 They may be communists who support Islamists and communist movements.
01:03:52.000 But these are driven individuals who are tapped into the grassroots.
01:03:57.000 And I do not think that they should be underestimated.
01:03:59.000 I would not be surprised, and you can bookmark this episode, if Kashama Sawant ends up unseating Representative Adam Smith.
01:04:10.000 And I will not be surprised if Sycott Chakrabarty ends up unseating Nancy Pelosi.
01:04:17.000 Let's go ahead and play a couple clips.
01:04:19.000 We have Sykot saying that Zoron proved that he could win.
01:04:22.000 Again, using Zoron Mandami's election victory in New York City as a testament to his own campaign against establishment, Democrat, former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
01:04:36.000 My name is Choikot Chakrabarty, and I'm running for Congress here in San Francisco against Nancy Pelosi.
01:04:42.000 And we can win this race.
01:04:43.000 People are sick and tired of this failed political establishment.
01:04:47.000 They know that the same people who got us into this mess are not going to be the ones to get us out of it.
01:04:52.000 They're sick of this politics where the establishment just backs their own because of loyalty and seniority rather than backing candidates with real ideas for solving the real problems that people are facing.
01:05:03.000 So if you want to keep the momentum going, go to the website MyBios, sign up to volunteer to help or donate a few bucks.
01:05:08.000 Every little bit helps because this is 100% people-powered campaign.
01:05:13.000 I'm taking no corporate or lobbyist money, but Zoran just showed that organized people can defeat organized money.
01:05:19.000 So, we can do this thing.
01:05:22.000 And again, he's another one of these pro-jihadists, communists of Indian descent. 0.98
01:05:28.000 It's becoming a trend, right?
01:05:29.000 Zoran Mandami, Shereeth Anadhar, Representative Jaypal, Kashim Samant.
01:05:37.000 So, you know, you don't necessarily need to be a Muslim like Zoran Mandami to have pro-jihadist sympathies.
01:05:44.000 And there's this very large movement taking place in India, also in places like Pakistan, where they are exerting tremendous amounts of aggression and hostility towards India, towards Hindus, towards non-Muslims in general.
01:05:58.000 And now this pro-Islamist, anti-Hindu, anti-Indian aggression is manifesting itself into its own caucus, right?
01:06:07.000 Its own caucus, essentially, if enough of these people end up getting elected to Congress here in the United States.
01:06:12.000 And this is, like I said before, going to have devastating consequences for our, not just our, our, our foreign relations, our relations with India, but also our national security and our counter-jihad policy.
01:06:29.000 And of course, all of these candidates are pro-open borders.
01:06:32.000 So again, it's not just their anti-American and pro-communist and pro-Islamist views that make them a threat to our national security, but just listen to Syka in his own words.
01:06:42.000 He's saying that he's against President Trump sending in the National Guard into Los Angeles.
01:06:47.000 Well, why would you be against President Trump sending in the National Guard into Los Angeles to oppose illegal alien rioters who are assaulting ICE agents?
01:06:58.000 Why would you be against that?
01:07:00.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.
01:07:01.000 So Trump just federalized the California National Guard to respond to the LA ICE protests.
01:07:07.000 That means he took control away from California's government and put the National Guard under his direct command.
01:07:14.000 This breaks a really important norm in American democracy.
01:07:18.000 You see, the National Guard is usually under state control, unless there's a war or a state going rogue that's disobeying federal orders or something like that.
01:07:25.000 And this norm goes all the way back to 1878 and the Posse Comitatus Act.
01:07:31.000 Congress passed that law because Congress didn't want the president to be able to use the military as his own personal force, because that's literally how democracies die.
01:07:40.000 Congress saw that coming and said, forget about it.
01:07:43.000 Well, Eisenhower was the last president to federalize the National Guard in 1957 when the Arkansas governor refused to enforce federal desegregation laws.
01:07:53.000 And he used it that time to enforce civil rights, not to crush them.
01:07:56.000 Now we've got a president using troops against civilians and with no accountability.
01:08:01.000 And it's not the first step either.
01:08:03.000 Remember 2020?
01:08:04.000 During the BLM protests, the president's people were sending federal agents in these unmarked vans with no badges.
01:08:11.000 And they were just grabbing protesters off the streets in Portland.
01:08:14.000 So that was a test.
01:08:16.000 And this is the next move.
01:08:18.000 Because even in 2020, Trump was pushing for martial law and his own generals had to talk him out of it.
01:08:24.000 This is not alarmism.
01:08:25.000 That's on the record.
01:08:27.000 And this time around, there's no one around to push back on him.
01:08:30.000 This is how democracy dies.
01:08:32.000 You erode the guardrails a little at a time and then the leader makes his move.
01:08:38.000 All the same talking points.
01:08:42.000 And again, we can look at some of his tweets as well.
01:08:45.000 We have a tweet of Psycott saying that Zoran Mandami proves that the people could be organized money.
01:08:51.000 And so they're using Zoran Mandami, just like a lot of these people used AOC as inspiration as well to say, hey, look, look at this guy.
01:09:00.000 Look at this immigrant, this Muslim immigrant from Africa. 0.99
01:09:05.000 He just defeated Andrew Cuomo.
01:09:08.000 He just defeated the Democrat establishment.
01:09:10.000 He's now the Democrat nominee to become mayor of New York City.
01:09:13.000 That means I can do it too.
01:09:15.000 If he can defeat Andrew Cuomo and if AOC can defeat an incumbent Democrat, then why can't I?
01:09:22.000 Why can't I?
01:09:23.000 Why can't I defeat Nancy Pelosi?
01:09:25.000 And so here you go.
01:09:27.000 You have this clip of him as well saying, I'm running against Nancy Pelosi for universal health care, universal child care, ending government corruption, ending money in politics, building millions of units of affordable housing, and making America the green industrial powerhouse of the world.
01:09:41.000 Zoron just proved that organized people can be organized money.
01:09:45.000 We can win this race.
01:09:47.000 We have a video there as well.
01:09:49.000 You can scroll down.
01:09:51.000 You can see that this was just posted days ago, June 29th, 2025.
01:09:56.000 So do not be surprised when there is a wave during the midterms of incumbent Democrats getting defeated by these progressive, communist, Democrat Socialist candidates because they are well organized.
01:10:10.000 I do not agree with their platform, but they are very well organized.
01:10:13.000 Zoran Mandami had over 50,000 door knockers.
01:10:16.000 He had over 50,000 door knockers.
01:10:19.000 The Democrat Socialists of America have 90,000 members and they committed 50,000 door knockers and volunteers to Zoran Mandami.
01:10:27.000 And if you think that they're not going to do the same for Saikat or Kashama or however you pronounce her name or this other girl, her name is Kat Abu Ghazalia.
01:10:38.000 Okay.
01:10:39.000 She's another one of these communist Islamist sympathizing candidates out of Illinois. 1.00
01:10:46.000 Then you're sorely mistaken.
01:10:50.000 Here's another tweet of Psycott whining about a drag queen that got picked up by ICE. 0.95
01:10:55.000 So again, it's not going to matter if we have Trump in the White House, if we end up losing the House and we have all of these communists and jihadist candidates. 0.98
01:11:05.000 He goes, horrendous. 0.82
01:11:06.000 Rivers was going to schedule immigration appointment after participating in a pageant on Pride weekend.
01:11:11.000 He was following the law when ICE picked him up and now we don't even know where he is.
01:11:16.000 Please call San Francisco ICE Field Office and Mesa Verde ICE Detention Center and ask to know where he is.
01:11:23.000 Drug reformer taken by ICE morning after Pride Week pageant.
01:11:27.000 Hillary Rivers was detained during a scheduled immigration appointment in downtown San Francisco.
01:11:32.000 It's like, okay, well, nice to know that's where your priorities are.
01:11:36.000 We have ICE agents getting assaulted in Los Angeles.
01:11:39.000 We have illegal aliens murdering people in Los Angeles. 1.00
01:11:42.000 And yet, AOC's former chief of staff, who is now primary Nancy Pelosi, is concerned about illegal alien drag queens. 0.99
01:11:50.000 Lovely.
01:11:54.000 Here's a tweet from Chank Uyger from the Young Turks saying that Sycott is the next Doran Mondami.
01:12:01.000 So it's not just me saying this.
01:12:03.000 You have progressives themselves saying it.
01:12:07.000 Here you go.
01:12:07.000 Chank runs the Young Turks.
01:12:09.000 The next Duran Mondami could be Sycott running against Nancy Pelosi.
01:12:14.000 He's the former executive director of Justice Dems, former campaign manager and chief of staff for AOC.
01:12:19.000 If he beats Pelosi, the old guard at the party will be decimated.
01:12:22.000 Time for a new Democrat Party.
01:12:24.000 So again, there's going to be a lot of money going into the midterms this season, just like there always is.
01:12:30.000 You have the Democrat socialists and the communists that are trying to unsee all these establishment Democrats.
01:12:37.000 You have Elon Musk, who today is ramping up his rhetoric about the America Party after launching it after 4th of July weekend, talking about how he wants to go against Trump-endors candidates and he wants to support his own candidates who he views are a threat to the Uniparty.
01:12:56.000 So again, if you have these third-party platforms, they're going to take away from the Republican Party.
01:13:04.000 If you have the America Party, that's going to pull votes and resources away from the Republican Party and from President Trump's own efforts.
01:13:12.000 And in turn, that's going to actually help the Democrat Party get more Democrats elected.
01:13:17.000 It's not going to make more people sign up for a third party.
01:13:22.000 It's actually going to pull people away from the Republicans and cause Democrats to gain more seats in Congress.
01:13:27.000 And President Trump himself was asked what he thinks about Elon Musk launching the America Party.
01:13:33.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.
01:13:38.000 I think it's ridiculous to start a third party.
01:13:40.000 We have a tremendous success with the Republican Party.
01:13:45.000 The Democrats have lost their way, but it's always been a two-party system.
01:13:50.000 And I think starting a third party just adds to confusion.
01:13:53.000 It really seems to have been developed for two parties.
01:13:55.000 Third parties have never worked. 0.95
01:13:57.000 So he can have fun with it, but I think it's ridiculous.
01:14:05.000 He's right. 0.78
01:14:06.000 He's right. 0.98
01:14:07.000 It is ridiculous. 0.96
01:14:08.000 And, you know, we heard all this talk from Elon Musk. 0.77
01:14:11.000 And look, I appreciate Elon Musk for purchasing X and the work he did and the money he gave to support President Trump and helping President Trump get elected.
01:14:19.000 But the reality is, is that if you launch a third party ahead of the midterms, you are going to cause the Republicans to lose the House.
01:14:29.000 And so hopefully Elon will reconsider launching his America Party and he will instead try to channel his frustration with the Unit Party into primarying establishment Republicans.
01:14:40.000 Like, why not get rid of the Uniparty Republicans?
01:14:42.000 Why do you have to create a third party?
01:14:45.000 There's a lot that can be done with Elon's resources that shouldn't involve completely decimating President Trump's victories in the midterms and undermining Donald Trump.
01:14:56.000 And so hopefully Elon Musk will reconsider because if we do establish a third party ahead of the 2026 midterms, my worry and my greatest fear is that candidates like Kashim, again, Kashim Sawant, I can't even remember these people's names because they're so foreign. 1.00
01:15:15.000 Saikat Chakrabarty and Kat Abu Ghazalia are going to get into Congress.
01:15:21.000 And we can't allow for open communists and Democrat socialists to obtain power.
01:15:26.000 Before we bring on the guests, here's the last example of one of these open communist pro-Islamist candidates that I'll show you tonight.
01:15:34.000 Kat Abu Ghazalia.
01:15:36.000 She's running for office in Illinois, primarying an incumbent Democrat.
01:15:41.000 She also is mimicking the words of Saikat Chakrabarty and Kashama Sawant and AOC, talking about how Zoran Mandami proved that she can win.
01:15:52.000 And they're right.
01:15:53.000 Zoran Mandami did prove that these radical, openly communist, pro-Islamist candidates can defeat Democrat incumbents that have a lot of backing and a lot of institutional and establishment support and money behind them.
01:16:10.000 They're not wrong. 0.51
01:16:11.000 Let's go ahead and play clip number three.
01:16:14.000 My name is Kat Al-Ghazale.
01:16:15.000 I'm running for Congress in the 9th District of Illinois, and I have some very exciting news to share about my campaign.
01:16:20.000 We ran a poll, and the results show that I am just single digits away from the lead, ahead of five career politicians, and I have the most room for growth.
01:16:29.000 So why does this matter?
01:16:30.000 Well, when I launched this campaign in March, I was considered a long shot.
01:16:34.000 I am a journalist and researcher, not a career politician.
01:16:36.000 I'm not funded by corporate money.
01:16:38.000 In fact, our average donation is just around 31 bucks.
01:16:42.000 And I wasn't born here.
01:16:43.000 The 9th District is my chosen home, just as it is for hundreds of thousands of transplants, students, and immigrants.
01:16:49.000 But in just three months, we have taken this campaign from relatively unknown to just behind the frontrunner.
01:16:55.000 And his popularity is inherently tied to name recognition.
01:16:58.000 But it's not just about my race.
01:17:00.000 This is proving that our grassroots model works. 0.97
01:17:04.000 When I launched my campaign, I asked the question, what if we didn't suck? 0.95
01:17:08.000 And that wasn't a joke. 0.64
01:17:09.000 I thought that maybe instead of pissing away billions on consultants and fancy fundraisers, maybe Democrats could try a new type of campaign model. 0.93
01:17:16.000 That's why we use our funds and resources to not only reach voters, but materially improve their lives right now.
01:17:23.000 Our campaign-sponsored events are affordable and accessible to everyone.
01:17:26.000 We hold food drives and beach cleanups, and our campaign office in Rogers Park doubles as a mutual aid hub.
01:17:32.000 When it comes to my values, I prefer to show instead of tell.
01:17:35.000 And this poll shows that our style of campaigning is working.
01:17:38.000 Politics doesn't have to be closed doors and corporate cash.
01:17:42.000 It can include and serve you.
01:17:44.000 Right now to win, our priority is getting our name recognition up.
01:17:47.000 More than half of voters are undecided, which means we have eight months to not only inform them about our campaign, but also earn their vote.
01:17:55.000 There are a lot of people in this district who don't know me, and I want to meet literally all of them.
01:17:59.000 Yes, I know the district is hundreds of thousands of people, and yes, I meant it.
01:18:03.000 We have a ton of cool events planned.
01:18:05.000 We intend to knock on every door in the district, and we're trying to materially improve as many lives as possible while we do it.
01:18:12.000 Thank you for your support and let's win this thing together.
01:18:14.000 Thank you.
01:18:20.000 Same playbook, right?
01:18:22.000 Find a district.
01:18:23.000 In this case, Illinois' ninth congressional district, heavily Democrat, a seat that is held by kind of an unknown, lazy Democrat incumbent.
01:18:34.000 In this case, that's exactly what Kat Aboghazalia did. 1.00
01:18:37.000 It's the same playbook as Zora Mandami.
01:18:39.000 It's the same playbook as Kashana Sawant.
01:18:43.000 It's the same playbook as Sykat Chakrabarty.
01:18:46.000 Same exact playbook.
01:18:47.000 It's almost like a blueprint.
01:18:50.000 And who created this blueprint?
01:18:52.000 Well, I would say that on the Democrat side, people like AOC really created this blueprint.
01:18:57.000 And now she's using her war chest. 0.95
01:19:00.000 And if there's one thing that AOC is good at doing, despite the fact that everything that comes out of her mouth is nonsensical dribble, she's very good at raising money and she's very good at mobilizing people.
01:19:12.000 And AOC is using her war chest and is using her largely young, politically involved, politically mobilized following across her social media platforms to inspire other openly communist, pro-Islamist candidates like Kat Abu Gazalia to run for Congress.
01:19:35.000 And so people can mock them all they want.
01:19:37.000 And again, I think that maybe like 10 years ago, mocking these people and ignoring them probably would have worked and not really paying attention to these grassroots candidates that came out of nowhere, people that, you know, semi-good looking, maybe they have some aura, maybe they have some background in social media.
01:19:57.000 In this case, Kat Abu Gazalia worked for Media Matters and she calls herself a journalist, right?
01:20:03.000 She has a large social media following.
01:20:05.000 From my understanding, she's dating the founder or the owner of The Onion.
01:20:10.000 So she's going to be able to utilize those skill set and the fact that she is so much younger than the Democrat incumbent in that district to her advantage, right?
01:20:21.000 To appeal to a disaffected population that feels politically homeless.
01:20:27.000 And this is really what Elon Musk is trying to do right now.
01:20:29.000 I don't agree with what Elon Musk is doing.
01:20:32.000 But if there was a time and a place in our society and in our culture to capitalize off of people who feel politically homeless, now is the time.
01:20:45.000 And I'm not encouraging that, right?
01:20:46.000 I am a proud supporter of President Trump.
01:20:48.000 I am a member of the Republican Party.
01:20:51.000 Do I have my criticisms of the Republican Party?
01:20:54.000 Absolutely.
01:20:55.000 Do I identify more with, you know, MAGA and America first than, you know, what it, what it usually, you know, the traditional sense of what it means to be a Republican?
01:21:05.000 Absolutely, right?
01:21:07.000 I have expressed my disdain for the Republican Party and have said countless times that I would leave the Republican Party in a heartbeat, but I don't because I live in Florida, which is a closed primary state.
01:21:17.000 I'm not encouraging people to follow third parties or to support these anti-American, openly communist candidates.
01:21:28.000 But what I'm saying is that the energy is there and the sentiment is not fringe.
01:21:34.000 There is a widespread portion of our population that is now becoming normalized to these extremist ideologies.
01:21:44.000 It used to be fringe to see these Palestinian protests on the sides of the street or used to be fringe to see people calling themselves Democrat Socialists or openly identifying as communists.
01:21:55.000 But now this is becoming more normalized and more mainstream.
01:21:59.000 And so you can mock it all you want.
01:22:02.000 You can say, we are never going to be a socialist country.
01:22:05.000 We are never going to be a communist country.
01:22:07.000 We are never going to have a Muslim mayor in New York City.
01:22:10.000 We are never going to have a Palestinian activist as a congresswoman, right? 1.00
01:22:15.000 We already have one, right?
01:22:16.000 We are never going to see a tech bro, open communist, Islamist sympathizer defeat Nancy Pelosi.
01:22:25.000 We are never going to see an Indian communist who is banned from traveling to India, unseat, a Democrat incumbent who has been in his position of power since 1997.
01:22:38.000 You can say that.
01:22:39.000 You can say that all you want.
01:22:41.000 But as people like AOC have shown and people like Zoran Mandami just proved, the energy is shifting.
01:22:47.000 The momentum is shifting.
01:22:48.000 And what used to be fringe is now becoming mainstream.
01:22:55.000 And I do not agree with that.
01:22:57.000 I don't agree with the normalization of Islamism and I don't agree with the normalization of communism. 0.98
01:23:04.000 But this is the unfortunate reality of our society today.
01:23:08.000 And people are going to be in for a very rude awakening unless they start to prepare for the upcoming midterms.
01:23:16.000 And the fact that these candidates who 10 years ago would have been considered fringe and people would have laughed and said they never have a chance of ever getting elected to the United States Congress, they do in fact have a very strong and likely chance of getting elected to Congress and the other positions that they are running for.
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01:25:41.000 If you've been watching Loomer Unleashed over the last several months, then you know that we've been doing extensive reporting and coverage of all of the victories carried out by White Coat Waste. 0.92
01:25:52.000 And White Coat Waste is an incredible organization that is working very hard in alignment with the Trump administration to end animal testing and identify and then pressure admin officials to end the contracts for these very lucrative animal testing contracts.
01:26:11.000 And we've discussed at great length here on Lumer Unleash over the last few months how $20 billion of your taxpayer money every single year goes towards animal testing in laboratories where innocent animals, whether they be cats or dogs, monkeys, rodents, all types of animals are being tortured and abused in these very inhumane practices.
01:26:34.000 And over the last several months, we've seen a lot of great advancements.
01:26:39.000 And it just brought such a big smile to my face this last week because over the holiday weekend, the EPA announced that they are actually going to be launching a program that lets people adopt its lab animals amid President Trump's cuts to animal testing.
01:26:56.000 And this would not have been possible had it not been for the work of the amazing people over at White Coat Waste, an incredible organization that I'm so proud to support.
01:27:06.000 And so I wanted to bring on Justin Goodman, the senior vice president of White Coat Waste, on my program tonight to discuss this latest victory and what it means for all of the lab animals that can now soon be adopted into forever homes.
01:27:22.000 So Justin, thank you so much for joining me tonight.
01:27:25.000 Great to see you again.
01:27:27.000 Yeah, thanks for having me, Laura.
01:27:28.000 It's great to be here.
01:27:29.000 Yeah, I know that, you know, we talk a lot about how, you know, these stories just kind of pop off randomly and then, you know, people always wonder, oh, well, how did this come about?
01:27:39.000 And that's kind of the part that's always missing, right, from these news reports.
01:27:44.000 They just make it seem like this just happened randomly and that the EPA woke up, you know, the head of the EPA, in this case, Lee Zeldon, great guy, friend of mine, woke up one day and decided that he was just going to, you know, randomly cut back on animal testing at the EPA and allow for these animals to be adopted out.
01:28:02.000 But the real story is that this is something that has been proposed and initiated over the last several years, ever since the first Trump administration, by people like yourself and others at White Coat Waste who proposed that the EPA and other taxpayer-funded agencies within the federal government partner with White Coat Waste and other animal rescue or animal welfare organizations to help adopt these animals out of laboratories.
01:28:33.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.
01:28:34.000 The EPA ending animal testing and adopting out their survivors was one of our top priorities for the incoming Trump administration.
01:28:41.000 Actually, this is keeping promises that the Trump made during its first administration.
01:28:47.000 I started working with them back in 2018.
01:28:49.000 The former head of the EPA, Andrew Wheeler, who's on our advisory board now, was the head of the EPA at the time.
01:28:57.000 And he launched a historic first ever plan under the first Trump administration to completely end all testing on mammals at the agency by 2035 with a 30% drawdown by 2025.
01:29:11.000 So this was huge.
01:29:12.000 So in 2019, he said we're going to get rid of a lot of animal testing in the next five, six years.
01:29:16.000 And then by 2035, we're going to get rid of all testing on mammals.
01:29:20.000 And some of the tests they do involve rabbits, mice, rats, and also a lot of the testing the EPA mandates is poisoning puppies with pesticides and industrial chemicals.
01:29:29.000 So this was huge.
01:29:30.000 First Trump administration 2019, first time a federal agency ever drew a line in the sand and said no more animal testing after that.
01:29:37.000 I was very proud to be at the dais that day with Andrew Wheeler when he announced that and also worked with him soon after to make sure that the animals in the EPA labs that would be shut down would be adopted out into loving homes.
01:29:50.000 That was 2019.
01:29:52.000 Fast forward to 2021, right after Joe Biden came into office, the EPA undid all of the deadlines in the Trump plan to phase out animal testing.
01:30:03.000 They completely eliminated the 2025 and 2035 deadlines.
01:30:07.000 And we got documents through the Freedom of Information Act proving that the term they used in these emails was that they stripped out the deadlines from the EPA plan.
01:30:16.000 And it was partly due to the fact that environmental groups were pressuring them for environment.
01:30:21.000 This is the words from their own letters, quote, environmental justice reasons.
01:30:25.000 They needed to do more animal testing, specifically killing the Trump plan and doing more animal testing.
01:30:32.000 We got the receipts for that and we called it out.
01:30:34.000 The legacy animal rights groups who were in bed with the EPA, totally captured by the EPA, said nothing while the EPA killed this plan to get animals out of laboratories.
01:30:44.000 And from the moment Trump got reelected in the end of last year, one of our top priorities was reinstating his EPA animal testing face-out plan.
01:30:53.000 And we've been working closely with the agency since the beginning of the year to get this put into place.
01:30:58.000 And now we have the announcement this week that not only are they shutting down their in-house laboratories where 20,000 animals are locked up, but they actually have rolled out something that we had been pushing for strongly: an animal adoption plan, where they are working with employees and hopefully animal rescues that we put in touch with them, like Kindness Ranch and others, to adopt out and rehome as many of those animals as possible and give them the happy ending they deserve.
01:31:25.000 So this is, you know, this is awesome.
01:31:27.000 This is part of our effort to make America greater for animals and ensure that taxpayers aren't forced to foot the bill for wasteful animal experiments.
01:31:35.000 And of course, Lee Zeldin, the current head of the EPA, as a member of Congress from New York, great advocate for animals.
01:31:42.000 The White Coat Waste actually awarded him for his work.
01:31:45.000 He's a veteran and he led an effort with us to end dog and cat testing at the VA, a successful effort.
01:31:51.000 And he's picking up where he left off as a congressman.
01:31:54.000 EPA is picking up where it left off during the First and Trump administration and getting animals out of the EPA labs.
01:31:59.000 And we're absolutely thrilled.
01:32:02.000 It's kind of ironic, isn't it?
01:32:03.000 It's kind of funny in a sense how the opponents to this are Democrats because we're constantly gaslit.
01:32:11.000 And I know that you guys are a nonprofit.
01:32:13.000 And so you're not, it's not that white coat waste is political. 0.78
01:32:16.000 They don't lean towards any political affiliation.
01:32:19.000 But I do have to note the hypocrisy here of these Democrats and the Biden administration in trying to use environmental justice as a justification for continued animal testing, the continued abuse of animals.
01:32:34.000 I don't understand how you can call yourself an environmental activist or say that you're concerned with environmental justice and then at the same time justify or try to justify through mental gymnastics, of course, the torture and the direct euthanasia of innocent animals,
01:32:53.000 whether they be dogs, cats, monkeys, fish, rabbits, rats, mice, all types of animals here for the sake of what they call long-term scientific benefits.
01:33:06.000 And so here's a direct quote.
01:33:09.000 It said, the move is ill-advised scientific self-lobotomy, said Kayla Bennett, a science policy director with Peer and a former EPA attorney.
01:33:19.000 So according to these Democrat, former EPA attorneys, it's a scientific self-lobotomy to save innocent animals from animal abuse.
01:33:29.000 Yeah, I mean, the thing is, is in addition to being incredibly cruel, I mean, some of the experiments we uncovered that the Biden administration picked up on after they killed the phase-out plan was fattening up rodents with unhealthy diets, putting them in cages, turning up the heat to mimic a heat wave from climate change,
01:33:49.000 and then burning eucalyptus and pumping the smoke into the cages of the fat, hot rats to mimic the effects of wildfire smoke and climate change on obese people.
01:34:01.000 In other experiments that the EPA was doing, they were shooting off rifles and handguns and forcing mice and rats to inhale the gun smoke for gun control experiments.
01:34:11.000 So this is what tax dollars were paying for, these politicized pet projects from, you know, that are being advocated for by big environmental groups who are saying we need, yeah, more animal testing, not less. 1.00
01:34:22.000 So incredibly cruel, obviously incredibly stupid. 0.99
01:34:25.000 And these animal tests don't tell us anything about what's actually happening. 1.00
01:34:28.000 Yeah, they don't really tell us anything.
01:34:29.000 I don't, I've never understood, and this is something that you and I talk about every single time you come on my show, and you've been on my show a lot, is how in the age of AI and all these advancements that we've made in technology and different scientific models that can be created through things like AI, how they, these people, and they're Democrats mostly.
01:34:50.000 And that's the thing that I'm trying to really drive home is, you know, we see groups like PETA have lied in the past and they like to steal credit for the work of White Coat Waste and they like to attack the Trump administration and say that Donald Trump has never done anything to end animal cruelty and they support Democrat politicians and Democrat causes.
01:35:08.000 And yet the Trump administration more so than any other administration in my lifetime or just in U.S. history, as far as I'm concerned, from what I've seen, and correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as I've been alive and I'm 32 years old, I have never seen any other administration focus as much as the Trump administration has on trying to identify and cut back on animal testing and cruel experiments, animal cruelty.
01:35:36.000 I just, I don't, I don't see this being done by the Democrat Party or any Democrat administration.
01:35:41.000 And it's ironic that environmental justice groups and groups that like to say that they are pushing for climate change awareness or environmental awareness or animal rights awareness are actually attacking the Trump administration for not just trying to save taxpayers money,
01:35:58.000 identifying waste, fraud, and abuse, which is something that you do at White Coat Waste, especially as it relates to waste, fraud, and abuse that results in animals getting abused, but the fact that they are actually trying to use their fake science to justify animal cruelty.
01:36:16.000 Well, yeah, you know, to your point at the beginning of the segment, I mean, animal testing is big business, $20 billion.
01:36:22.000 Colleges, college universities, and colleges and university professors are raking in billions of that money.
01:36:29.000 College administrators are taking a huge cut of that money.
01:36:31.000 Pharmaceutical companies are getting in on it, you know, raking in billions of dollars from this.
01:36:36.000 And there's companies, there's a whole cottage industry built around this, building the cages, transporting the animals, building the torture devices, incinerating the animals at the end of the experiments.
01:36:44.000 There's a lot of money to be made.
01:36:46.000 And part of the problem, why the problem has gotten worse, despite all these big groups with huge $100 million plus budgets claiming to work on it, is that for many years, for decades, they were only going to Capitol Hill and talking to Democrats because they just assumed Republicans were heartless monsters who didn't care about this.
01:37:08.000 And I've talked to so many Republican members of Congress and congressional staffers who work in Republican offices who said they had never heard peep.
01:37:15.000 Until White Coat Waste started doing this about a decade ago, they had never heard from an organization about an animal testing or an animal cruelty issue.
01:37:23.000 These groups just completely had written off all of these people, even though this obviously is a country of animal lovers.
01:37:29.000 You know, two-thirds Of Americans have pets in their house they consider member of the family.
01:37:33.000 And that's across the political spectrum.
01:37:35.000 It's not a right or a left issue, but these groups just had preconceived notions.
01:37:38.000 And also, Democrats in Congress were getting credit for doing things when they actually weren't.
01:37:44.000 That, you know, well, they're signing onto bills.
01:37:46.000 And they're, you know, we had Democrats in the House sent in the White House so many different times over my lifetime, and they did nothing to stop animal testing because they are obsessed with the science, believe science.
01:37:58.000 They trust people like Dr. Fauci to make good decisions.
01:38:01.000 And these people had other motives and agendas, and they were leading us astray.
01:38:05.000 And the animal testing problem got way worse because we had put so much faith and power and authority in people like Dr. Fauci, who, of course, probably funded more animal experimentation than anybody in human history and conducted it himself.
01:38:19.000 So that's why we totally flipped the script a decade ago and we're like, yes, this is an animal cruelty problem, but it's also a wasteful spending problem.
01:38:26.000 The federal government is the single largest funder of animal testing in the entire world.
01:38:31.000 And if taxpayers don't want animals to be abused with their money, then we have to go to the root of the problem, which is wasteful government spending and reform these federal agencies and clean out these deep state bureaucrats who have been making money and building careers on the backs of beagles being butchered. 0.98
01:38:49.000 And thanks to the Trump administration, that's sending the first Trump administration.
01:38:52.000 To your point, I've been doing this work for 20 years.
01:38:54.000 The first Trump administration made more historic progress to wipe out animal testing than any other in American history.
01:39:03.000 And there's lots of great examples.
01:39:04.000 The EPA was one of those.
01:39:06.000 And fortunately, they're picking up where they left off in 2021, coming back fiercely and making this a priority.
01:39:13.000 I mean, we have the president personally talking about wasteful animal tests during the State of the Union, during interviews on Fox.
01:39:21.000 He's also, not just mentioning it during the State of the Union address, but also during his first term, the first president ever to sign an executive order making animal cruelty a felony.
01:39:34.000 Yeah, this has been a priority.
01:39:36.000 You know, we work with the entire, you know, Don Jr., Eric Trump, Lara Trump, these are all supporters of ours.
01:39:42.000 His whole family is involved in efforts.
01:39:44.000 It's not just him.
01:39:45.000 It's his whole family, many members of his cabinet, lots of people who've been appointed into positions of power where they can actually do something.
01:39:52.000 This is like the dream team for ending animal testing that we have in Washington now.
01:39:56.000 And that's why we are so keen in taking advantage of this moment.
01:39:59.000 To your point, we don't know what's going to happen in the midterms.
01:40:02.000 So the time to strike while the iron is hot is now with the momentum.
01:40:06.000 The time to strike is now.
01:40:08.000 And again, I know White Coat Waste is not a partisan group.
01:40:11.000 So these are my words.
01:40:12.000 These are not the words of White Coat Waste.
01:40:14.000 But as I said in the previous segment, unfortunately, there is a new generation of very radical candidates who are getting elected to positions of power, whether it be in New York City or whether it be in Congress.
01:40:28.000 And as we've seen and we've discussed some of these Democrats and, you know, some of these foreigners who are running for office, they have very inhumane standards as it relates to their treatment of animals.
01:40:40.000 And we have discussed this extensively here on Lumer Unleashed.
01:40:44.000 You and I have talked about Sri Thanadar, who is a Democrat member of Congress who you spent time exposing several years ago when he got caught abandoning a lab full of primates and dogs and left these animals to die.
01:40:58.000 And so there's something to be said about the humanity in the United States of America and Western civilization and Western culture and the way that we treat animals compared to how animals are treated in other parts of the world.
01:41:13.000 And so this isn't just about, oh, you know, we have a dream cabinet in place right now.
01:41:18.000 So let's take advantage of it to end animal testing.
01:41:20.000 We also have control of the House and the Senate.
01:41:23.000 And we may not have control of the House and the Senate for the, over the next years or after the next year.
01:41:28.000 Excuse me.
01:41:29.000 And so if we don't have control of the House or the Senate in the next year, are we going to see as much focus from members of Congress on this issue as we have seen under the current administration?
01:41:44.000 Because it's not just members of the Trump administration or the Trump cabinet, like John Phelan, right?
01:41:50.000 The Navy Secretary who committed to ending all animal testing on dogs and cats at the Navy or Defense Secretary Pete Hagseth, who was asked by Congresswoman Nancy Mays during a recent Armed Services Committee in Congress about whether he would commit to ending all DOD animal testing contracts.
01:42:09.000 Who knows what this new breed of Democrat, openly communist, Islamist lawmakers who are getting elected to office are going to do as it relates to this issue of animal testing. 0.94
01:42:22.000 And I bring this up and I think it's a fair point to discuss because I haven't seen really, I mean, and I was with you in Washington, D.C. when we were touring different members of Congress's offices and meeting with them and we brought the dogs.
01:42:37.000 I don't really recall seeing too many Democrats who were openly working to end animal testing.
01:42:45.000 And yeah, it's a bipartisan issue, but it's mostly Nancy Mace and Doug Collins and people like Abe Hamaday and Anna Paulina Luna, Republicans who are taking the lead on this issue.
01:42:59.000 And yes, there may be Democrats who sign on and they want to co-sponsor legislation, but for the most part, and you can correct me if you think I'm wrong, it appears that this is an issue that is single-handedly being spearheaded, not just by White Coat waste, but with the support of Republican lawmakers.
01:43:20.000 Yeah, and to your point, yeah, we are a nonprofit.
01:43:22.000 We are nonpartisan.
01:43:24.000 We do work with everybody.
01:43:26.000 However, if you look at who the leaders have emerged as over the past, let's say five years on this issue, and certainly the last nine years I've been working, and White Coat's been campaigning, they're Republicans.
01:43:38.000 It's people like Nancy Mace in the House, people like Paul Gosar in the House, people like GOP conference chair Lisa McClain has been an outstanding leader on our issues for many years.
01:43:50.000 And the Senate, we have Rand Paul, Joan Ernst, other people who have really made this a top priority.
01:43:55.000 They're tweeting about it.
01:43:56.000 They're giving speeches about it.
01:43:58.000 They're advancing bills, prioritizing Bills as part of their agenda to end animal testing because, right, what's a better example of government run amok than puppies being poisoned in Chinese labs with U.S. tax dollars or kittens having their eyes sewn shut and blinded?
01:44:15.000 I mean, this is totally, you know, for members who say they want to cut wasteful spending, in addition to one, you know, being compassionate people who want to help animals, I mean, this is tailor-made for the Republican Party, and people are really seeing the opportunity there to save animals and save tax dollars, and we're very grateful for it.
01:44:33.000 You know, there are some, you know, if you look kind of at psychology and polling on attitudes, I mean, there are some cultural differences too between the right and the left and the reverence they have for science and scientists and trust they have in them.
01:44:47.000 And there is this reticence on the left, certainly among, you know, rank and file voters, but even among members of Congress, that cutting animal testing is anti-science rather than being.
01:45:00.000 Whereas Republicans are more pro-life.
01:45:02.000 I mean, and that's what I'm talking about as it relates to the culture, right?
01:45:06.000 I mean, when you look at the fact that the Democrat Party is now, and again, this was my previous segment, and so I don't expect you to engage in a full-blown ideological political conversation, especially since you run a nonprofit.
01:45:21.000 But I was discussing in the previous segment of the show tonight how there's this new class, this new breed of candidates who are openly communist, right?
01:45:30.000 They're not just Democrat.
01:45:31.000 They're not calling themselves Democrat.
01:45:33.000 They are openly communist.
01:45:34.000 And communism has a death count of 100 million plus.
01:45:39.000 Okay.
01:45:40.000 So clearly there is no reverence for life or respect for life.
01:45:45.000 And that's something that people should really keep in mind, especially as it relates to how people treat animals and how they feel animals should be used or utilized and taken care of in society.
01:45:58.000 We are dealing with one side of the aisle that is adamantly pro-life and they believe that we need to do everything in our power to fight for life, whether that's human life or animal life.
01:46:09.000 And then we have the other side of the aisle that is now openly promoting genocidal movements and they are also promoting the abuse and torture of innocent animals for scientific purposes, even though we know and Whitecoat Waits has the evidence and they have the receipts and they have the proof that this so-called science is doing nothing to advance science that benefits the health and the longevity of the human species.
01:46:40.000 Yeah, no, the only people benefiting it from it are people lining their pockets with billions of our tax dollars.
01:46:47.000 It's not improving public health.
01:46:48.000 There's no return on investment for the people like us who are being forced to pay for it.
01:46:53.000 You know, and another, you know, great example, I was just talking about this with someone else the other day, actually, is fetal tissue research.
01:47:00.000 We did an investigation a few years ago showing that 90% of this fetal tissue research, that's where they take tissues and organs and body parts from aborted fetuses and implant them.
01:47:12.000 They use them for research.
01:47:13.000 90% of that is animal testing where they're taking parts of aborted bodies and implanting them into mice, rats, monkeys, and other animals for horribly grotesque experiments, putting scalps onto mice's backs, putting fingers from aborted fetuses into mice, bone marrow, livers, all different types of organs from aborted fetuses into lab animals.
01:47:35.000 The Trump administration essentially defunded and banned this in 2019.
01:47:40.000 Biden came into power.
01:47:42.000 And again, one of the first things they did, turned the spigot back on for this horrible fetal tissue research, which won't surprise any of your viewers, the overwhelming majority was funded by Dr. Fauci.
01:47:56.000 So yeah, I think there's a lot of overlap, but when you look at the pro-life movement and that it does extend to animals, it's not just humans.
01:48:04.000 It's not just the unborn.
01:48:06.000 It has extended to animals.
01:48:07.000 People see that as all that, the universe of life is very inclusive.
01:48:12.000 And we've been grateful for some of the most pro-life members in Congress.
01:48:16.000 Chris Smith, who ran the pro-life caucus in Congress, still does, I think, has for decades.
01:48:23.000 He's been one of our greatest champions on ending animal testing.
01:48:26.000 And Blaine Lukemeyer, lots of other members too, who've been great pro-life champions.
01:48:30.000 Lisa McClain have also been great leaders on animal testing issues.
01:48:34.000 And if you look at the history of this issue, actually, even though it got hijacked by the left in the 80s, Bob Smith, Firebrand Republican in the 80s, Bob Dole, Rick Santorum, all these guys were huge animal advocates, in addition to being very conservative on other issues as well.
01:48:52.000 So there's definitely continuity there.
01:48:55.000 And we're grateful for that people extend their compassion to animals as well and use their authority they have and the power they have in Congress to actually do something about it.
01:49:04.000 And that's why to your point about the moment here that we have, whether or not it's the administration with the House and the Senate, you know, also being Republican, we don't want to miss that opportunity because we've had a harder time passing some of this stuff through Democratic House and Senate because of this kind of, you know, which is ironic because they like, like you said, they hijack the movement.
01:49:25.000 They say that they are the pro-environment.
01:49:28.000 They are the pro-science.
01:49:30.000 And they are the, well, if you're pro-science, then why don't you want to talk about the fact that new developments in science and technology show that there are more effective means of improving human health and identifying cures for diseases that don't involve torturing innocent animals.
01:49:47.000 So there has to be more pushback on this.
01:49:50.000 And I hope that there will be other animal-centric organizations other than just white coat waste that start to have this conversation because it's becoming increasingly undeniable and just very glaring that there is a massive discrepancy as it relates to the focus on the right on this issue and the desire to cut waste,
01:50:16.000 fraud, and abuse as it pertains to animal testing, the $20 billion industry of animal torture paid for by U.S. taxpayer dollars every single year, and just the left's refusal to not Only just address this topic, but to even compromise on trying to assist in cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.
01:50:37.000 Yeah.
01:50:37.000 And because the U.S. government is the single largest funder of animal testing, when you have tax and spend Democrats running things, the animal testing problem gets worse.
01:50:46.000 When you double the NIH budget, like we've seen over the last 25 years, animal testing exploded because of that, because 40% of the NIH budget is spent on grants for animal testing.
01:50:57.000 NIH has a $48 billion budget.
01:50:59.000 Almost half of it is being spent on animal testing.
01:51:02.000 And that's why when we talk about this special moment we have right now, RFK and President Trump have proposed a 40% budget cut for the NIH for 2026.
01:51:13.000 And coincidentally, 40% of the NIH budget is what is being wasted on animal testing.
01:51:18.000 What better way to slash and burn waste fraud and abuse at the NIH and remove Fauci's fingerprints from his agency than slashing the 40% of the budget that is paying for the torturing of puppies, kittens, and other animals in U.S. laboratories?
01:51:33.000 So again, I don't think we're going to have another moment like this where we have House, Senate, White House being occupied by people who are aligned on this issue and have the political will to actually do something about it and the mandate from voters to actually do something about it.
01:51:51.000 Yeah, and something can be said about NIH and the new leadership.
01:51:54.000 And while President Trump and other members of his cabinet are actually focused on ending waste, fraud, and abuse and cutting back on animal testing and eliminating animal testing altogether, there are still, unfortunately, some members of the Trump administration who are resisting the president's wishes and trying to undermine his agenda as it relates to ending waste, fraud, and abuse in the sector of animal testing and animal abuse.
01:52:22.000 And, you know, it has to be said, the new NIH director, the new Trump appointed NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, is becoming a massive hindrance to ending waste, fraud, and abuse at the NIH.
01:52:35.000 He has continued to gaslight people.
01:52:38.000 He issued a press release saying that they were going to be cutting back on animal testing, and yet it doesn't really look like they were going to think about cutting back on animal testing, but not actually do it, right?
01:52:48.000 So there's a game of semantics being played.
01:52:52.000 You can deceive a lot of people by releasing a press release saying that you're going to think about or explore ways that you can cut back on animal abuse experiments at NIH.
01:53:04.000 And that's a lot different than actually saying without pause, without hesitation, without any room for doubt or concern that you are 100% going to end the waste, fraud, and abuse and eliminate all animal testing at NIH.
01:53:18.000 And, you know, we tried to extend an olive branch to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.
01:53:23.000 I invited him on to my program to have a discussion about this.
01:53:26.000 I have not heard back.
01:53:28.000 We have talked extensively, sometimes with you on my program, Justin, about how pleased we were when Dr. Jay Bhattacharya announced that they were not going to continue their beagle testing on NIH headquarters in Bethesda, Maryland.
01:53:44.000 However, when Dr. Jay Bhattachara went on Fox News and said that they were going to end the animal testing at NIH, he lied because when you say you're going to shut down the beagle lab, that's not ending all animal testing like he suggested during this Fox News interview.
01:54:01.000 And I invited you on my program to talk about this if you wish to do so.
01:54:08.000 But it's been brought to my attention through your great work at White Coat Waste.
01:54:12.000 And it's now going to be brought to the attention of everybody else who's watching this program that the current NIH director is really no better than Dr. Anthony Fauci because he's still torturing animals at NIH headquarters, including innocent monkeys who are having very abusive and cruel experiments performed on them.
01:54:33.000 And Dr. Jay Bhattacharya has been aware of these cruel experiments and the monkey tests that are happening in his own office where he goes to work every single day at NIH headquarters.
01:54:44.000 He's been aware of this for months now, and he refuses to shut it down.
01:54:51.000 Yeah, you know, you look at NIH and Bhattacharya are becoming the black sheep of the Trump administration when it comes to ending animal tests.
01:54:58.000 He's really no better than Fauci.
01:54:59.000 We have to just, we just have to, we just have to call a spade a spade.
01:55:03.000 We try to be gracious.
01:55:05.000 We tried, right?
01:55:07.000 We found out that Dr. Jay Bhattacharya was supposedly a fan of white coat waste.
01:55:11.000 And we tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
01:55:14.000 But we are now well into the Trump administration.
01:55:16.000 Okay.
01:55:16.000 We're in July.
01:55:18.000 He has had more than enough time to get situated.
01:55:20.000 He has had more than enough time to read the reports.
01:55:24.000 He's been briefed extensively.
01:55:26.000 He has received communication from White Coat Waste.
01:55:28.000 He has seen my videos.
01:55:29.000 I know for a fact that Dr. Jay Bhattacharya has seen my videos calling him out for his continued extension of these animal abuse experiments at NIH headquarter because I've received phone calls from several of his staff members and associates who tell me that he's very unhappy with the coverage that I'm pumping out here on Loomer Unleashed.
01:55:49.000 Not because it's wrong, not because it's incorrect, but because it's embarrassing, because as you just perfectly said, he really is becoming the black sheep of the Trump administration.
01:55:58.000 Seems like all these other cabinet members can say without hesitation that they want to work with white coat waste.
01:56:06.000 They want to identify and have these contracts brought to their attention.
01:56:11.000 We're working with the Department of Defense.
01:56:13.000 Obviously, it's not a perfect situation.
01:56:15.000 But so far, when they have these contracts presented to them or they are identified, they move rather quickly, as we saw with Secretary Phelan, the Navy Secretary.
01:56:26.000 And so the only cabinet member thus far that I know of, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the only cabinet in the Trump administration that I know of thus far who is refusing to take action or is intentionally trying to prevent the termination of animal testing contracts within the agency he controls is Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the new NIH director.
01:56:52.000 Yeah, so exactly.
01:56:53.000 John Phelan, Secretary of the Navy, made a video signing an order saying effectively immediately we ban dog and cat testing.
01:57:01.000 Case closed overnight, done.
01:57:03.000 And they were funding some horrible tests on cats that we exposed here on this show.
01:57:07.000 And they not only defunded, they said no more cat and dog testing.
01:57:11.000 Signed a piece of paper.
01:57:12.000 That's an order done.
01:57:13.000 VA, Doug Collins, Secretary of the VA, says they're ahead of schedule on completely eliminating primate testing at the VA, something that was started under the first Trump administration.
01:57:25.000 They ended dog and cat testing as a result of our work.
01:57:28.000 Now they're about to completely eliminate primate testing.
01:57:32.000 So EPA just shut down its labs, adopting out the animals.
01:57:35.000 Navy, banned dog and cat testing, going to get more progress at DOD.
01:57:40.000 VA out of the dog, cat, and primate testing business.
01:57:43.000 And then we have the NIH.
01:57:45.000 The NIH, whose big boss is Donald Trump.
01:57:48.000 Second big boss under Trump is RFK, who opposes Fauci's Beagles testing, who's been a supporter of ours for years.
01:57:55.000 And then you have Jay Bhattachari, who works for RFK, who is completely non-committal when it comes to ending animal testing.
01:58:02.000 And it's worse than that.
01:58:03.000 So they've said maybe in the future, if we develop some alternatives, we'll reduce animal testing, we'll start directing funding elsewhere.
01:58:09.000 They just have a big spending plan that's completely open-ended with no benchmarks, no timelines, no commitments to cutting things when Trump and RFK won a 40% cut at the NIH.
01:58:21.000 And not only are they extending, literally extending Fauci's dog labs that Fauci signed off on and put into motion, like infesting beagle puppies with ticks, hundreds of beagle puppies being infested with ticks and maxim pain experiments, injecting puppies with cocaine just got extended, an NIH grant contract that's been renewed under Jay Bhattacharya.
01:58:43.000 Not only are they extending old programs, just since Jay was confirmed on March 31st, starting April 1st, we've seen over $10 million in brand new contracts and grants for dog experimentation, in addition to all the other stuff, animal testing they've been funding.
01:59:02.000 At least $10 million in brand new grants and contracts started up under Jay Bhattacharya's leadership under the Trump administration.
01:59:11.000 This is not what Donald Trump wants.
01:59:14.000 It's not what RFK wants.
01:59:15.000 It's not what the American people want.
01:59:16.000 I can guarantee you that.
01:59:18.000 And I personally met with Jay after he was confirmed.
01:59:22.000 My wife and I met with him, and he promised us that he was going to cut all dog, cat, and primate tests.
01:59:29.000 My wife started crying.
01:59:31.000 She was so overwhelmed with joy.
01:59:35.000 She gave him a hug.
01:59:36.000 I gave him a hug.
01:59:37.000 And we're seeing the opposite of what he promised that he was going to do with white coat waste happening, playing out at the NIH right now, where they're renewing these dog, cat, and primate labs and then starting brand new.
01:59:49.000 How long ago is this that he promised your wife when your wife cried in front of him?
01:59:54.000 How long ago? 0.92
01:59:54.000 Just for the perspective so that people can see what a liar Dr. Jay Bhattachari is. 0.92
01:59:59.000 Oh, I mean, a matter of weeks.
02:00:01.000 I mean, it was a couple months ago.
02:00:02.000 Yeah.
02:00:03.000 So he was confirmed, you know, basically April 1st was his first day.
02:00:07.000 And it was a few weeks after he was confirmed that we met with him and he promised us that.
02:00:10.000 Yeah, his first official day.
02:00:12.000 He was still active.
02:00:13.000 And actually, he was still able to, I mean, even though he was confirmed in April, he was still able to, you know, have oversight and plan.
02:00:22.000 Like, just because you're not confirmed doesn't mean that you can't identify things that you immediately want to terminate on your, like, as soon as you're confirmed.
02:00:29.000 So he didn't even take advantage of the time, even though he was telling people from White Coat Waste and telling other people who are affiliated with White Coat Waste that when he got in and when he got confirmed, he was going to take action.
02:00:40.000 So it's rather deceptive.
02:00:43.000 And just because you aren't officially confirmed yet doesn't mean that you can't initiate action in the agency that you're assuming.
02:00:51.000 Yeah, he has a lot of broad authority.
02:00:54.000 And his deputy, who's been appointed as the animal testing czar, unfortunately, is saying we're not going to end animal tests overnight.
02:01:00.000 It's not going to happen until we have better alternatives.
02:01:03.000 And animal tests are vital and valuable.
02:01:05.000 And we're going to keep funding them.
02:01:07.000 That's pretty sick.
02:01:08.000 We have an animal testing czar.
02:01:09.000 I don't even know that.
02:01:10.000 We have an actual animal testing czar at NIH.
02:01:13.000 He's so-called, yes.
02:01:15.000 One of the acting deputy directors under Jay, who's in the top kind of five leaders, five or six leaders at the NIH under Jay, has been appointed with being in charge of the animal testing portfolio.
02:01:27.000 That's pretty sick.
02:01:28.000 And her approach is instead to spend a lot of money on developing new technologies and not promise, make any promises about cutting anything. 1.00
02:01:38.000 And not only are there millions and millions of people, tens of millions, probably hundreds of millions of people across this country who oppose an open-ended plan like that with no commitments to actually save animals, but there's 100 million animals in laboratories in the United States right now, including about 50,000 dogs and 15,000 cats, who can't wait until some undetermined time in the future when there may or may not be technology.
02:02:03.000 And animal testing sucks and is bad science.
02:02:06.000 We don't need to develop and wait to have alternatives to these crappy models, animal models we have. 0.98
02:02:11.000 We could just cut them.
02:02:12.000 And we've seen that's what the EPA did.
02:02:14.000 That's what the Navy's doing. 0.71
02:02:15.000 And that's what the NIH can do.
02:02:16.000 And actually, during the first Trump administration, there are many examples of problematic research areas at the NIH that the Department of Health and Human Services basically issued memos on saying, effective today, we don't fund this anymore.
02:02:33.000 And Jay Bhattacharya and the NIH could easily do that.
02:02:36.000 They could say, tomorrow, effective tomorrow, we don't fund deadly dog cat primate tests anymore.
02:02:42.000 With the stroke of a pen, that can be done.
02:02:44.000 It can happen overnight.
02:02:45.000 Well, it could be done by President.
02:02:48.000 It could be done by Trump via executive order.
02:02:51.000 I mean, really what needs to happen is there just needs to be an interagency review of all animal testing contracts.
02:02:57.000 And President Trump, with the swipe of his pen, can sign an executive order eliminating $20 billion of waste, fraud, and abuse altogether.
02:03:07.000 So you want to talk about waste, fraud, and abuse.
02:03:09.000 We don't even need Doge to identify this.
02:03:11.000 And in fact, Doge already did identify it because when we announced this here on my show with your investigative findings and we broke the story here on Loomer Unleashed, Elon Musk ended up seeing it.
02:03:23.000 And I think that it was just so fantastical and crazy for people to believe that they were actually spending taxpayer funds to shove Condoms and marbles up the anuses of cats and electroshocking them, that it was just so unbelievable that Doge themselves said, Oh, we're investigating this, and they did, and then they ended the experiments.
02:03:42.000 And so, the first thing I would do is that we can make a new colour.
02:04:07.000 Thank you.
02:07:50.000 I don't even need Doge to identify this.
02:07:52.000 And in fact, Doge already did identify it because when we announced this here on my show with your investigative findings and we broke the story here on Loomer Unleashed, Elon Musk ended up seeing it.
02:08:04.000 And I think that it was just so fantastical and crazy for people to believe that they were actually spending taxpayer funds to shove cottons and marbles of the anises of cats and electric shocking them.
02:08:15.000 It was just so unbelievable.
02:08:18.000 We're investigating this.
02:08:20.000 And then they ended the experiment.
02:08:26.000 You don't need to have a lengthy investigation.
02:08:28.000 The president himself could attack all of these people who are trying to obstruct his agenda, people like who is undermining President Trump's own executive order from his first administration, making animal cruelty a felony.
02:08:45.000 So maybe it's controversial to say this.
02:08:48.000 I don't really care if it's the truth.
02:08:50.000 If President Trump signed an executive order in 2019, I believe was the making animal cruelty a felony and perhaps his own instructor should be charged with animal cruelty.
02:09:05.000 If he is going to continue to oversee and perpetuate these cruel and abusive tests on animals, lying to the American people and telling us what they're having the video, we're going to play the video here.
02:09:18.000 But I hope that's going to be picked up as a controversial take, as I said, I don't care.
02:09:23.000 It just seems very inconsistent because if Donald Trump is saying that animal cruelty is a family, then Dr. Jacob gets charged with animal cruelty if he is now aware of these abusive experiments and he's continuing to allow for animals to be abused under his watch.
02:09:42.000 I think he definitely needs to be held accountable.
02:09:44.000 His deputy who's saying we need to keep funding animal testing needs to be held accountable.
02:09:48.000 We're running aggressive ads right now on social media, calling them out, pulling their quotes, you know, what's her name?
02:09:54.000 Cause we like naming people here.
02:09:56.000 We don't just want to say deputy.
02:09:57.000 We want to put her on blast. 1.00
02:09:59.000 Let's name her. 0.99
02:10:00.000 And is she a Trump?
02:10:01.000 Is she a, is she somebody new who came in under Jay Bhattacharya?
02:10:05.000 Is this a button hold over Just so the viewers know who they're dealing with here, so that they can contact the Trump administration and contact their representatives and call NIH and hold these people accountable.
02:10:16.000 What's her name?
02:10:17.000 Nicole Kleinstroyer, and she was hired by the Obama administration. 0.97
02:10:23.000 And she's worked at NIH since 2016.
02:10:27.000 Big fan of Dr. Fauci.
02:10:29.000 Interesting.
02:10:30.000 So we have an Obama holdover who is a Fauci alcohol now working as Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's deputy.
02:10:37.000 So what's the point of Donald Trump having a new NIH director if Dr. Fauci's staff are still running NIH and calling shots and doing all these cruel and abusive experiments on animals?
02:10:48.000 I mean, are we cleaning house?
02:10:50.000 Is Dr. Jay Bhattacharya truly aligned with the Trump administration or is he another Fauci puppet in disguise who just said what we wanted to hear so that he could get appointed?
02:11:00.000 Because if you truly were not aligned with Anthony Fauci and you truly supported the initiatives of the Trump administration, why are you allowing for Obama holdovers to even have jobs within your agency?
02:11:13.000 Why not just fire these people?
02:11:16.000 And I mean, I would think the number one of the top priorities of anybody at NIH right now who is brought in would be erasing Fauci's fingerprints from that agency, right?
02:11:26.000 I mean, RFK obviously wants to do that.
02:11:28.000 President Trump obviously wants to do that.
02:11:30.000 Fauci did so much damage.
02:11:32.000 And there are still so many people and programs alive and well at the NIH that Fauci put into motion, personally signed off on.
02:11:42.000 He told the House Oversight Committee last year during test when he was testifying, he told Congresswoman Nicole Maliatakis, he finally admitted he personally had signed off on all of these tests on dogs, cats, and monkeys and other animals.
02:11:55.000 These have Fauci's literal signature and fingerprints on them.
02:11:59.000 These are programs he put into motion, like the island off the coast of South Carolina, where there's 3,500 monkeys that are being bred at a cost of $4 million a year to taxpayers.
02:12:09.000 And then they go, they take a boat over to the island and take 500 to 600 monkeys every year off this island and bring them to DOD and NIH bioagent labs where they infect them with Ebola and other horrible diseases and experiments where they don't give them any pain relief and they just bleed out.
02:12:23.000 That was one of Fauci's pet projects.
02:12:25.000 That just got a new $4 million grant, as you've covered and others did.
02:12:29.000 So we are alarmed.
02:12:31.000 We don't think NIH is moving fast enough.
02:12:33.000 And we also don't think they agree.
02:12:36.000 I thought that President Trump said that there was a ban on gain of function testing.
02:12:40.000 And so why are we doing gain of function testing on Ebola on U.S. soil?
02:12:45.000 I mean, look, President Trump said that our taxpayer money was not supposed to be going towards gain of function testing.
02:12:51.000 And so it sounds like not only is Dr. Jay Bhattachara in violation of President Trump's directive from not just his first term, but also now a continuation of his second term, his policies against animal cruelty, his policies against animal testing, his policies addressing waste, fraud, and abuse, but also it doesn't seem like NIH is in compliance with the executive order that pertains to gain of function testing.
02:13:19.000 So on gain of function, I will give Jay Bhattacharya credit.
02:13:23.000 He has been implementing the executive order and has suspended all funding for gain of function.
02:13:28.000 Now, gain of function, obviously, is a very specific type of research where you take naturally occurring viruses and then soup them up in a laboratory to make them more deadly.
02:13:38.000 While there still may have been some of that going on, the policies Jay has issued in compliance with that order have suspended funding for that.
02:13:48.000 But they are still doing dangerous virus experiments, whether or not their gain of function is irrelevant.
02:13:53.000 They're still doing dangerous virus experiments with incurable diseases like Ebola.
02:13:58.000 Well, that's what I'm talking about.
02:13:59.000 Is that from my understanding, when they announced this executive order in the Oval Office, and I believe that Kennedy and Vaticharia were there with President Trump when this announcement was made, they were supposed to have an executive order ending these gain of function tests, but also there were supposed to be new regulations and stricter protocols as it relates to the virus testing and the mutation testing on deadly viruses that could kill people if it became a mass
02:14:29.000 pandemic, like we saw with COVID.
02:14:32.000 And Ebola is certainly deadly enough that if it were to somehow escape a laboratory, as we saw during the Obama administration, it can kill a lot of people.
02:14:43.000 And that's why everybody who contracted Ebola, those Americans who ended up contracting Ebola and those health workers during the Obama administration had to be quarantined on special planes that were converted into medical facilities and laboratories because it's so deadly, you can't allow for a virus like Ebola to get into the public.
02:15:05.000 It would create a mass pandemic.
02:15:09.000 Millions of people would die and it would kind of be like a modern day zombie apocalypse.
02:15:15.000 That's how I would imagine it. 0.87
02:15:16.000 I mean, if you get Ebola, you are literally pissing and shitting blood. 0.99
02:15:20.000 And blood is not just coming out of your mouth and your ass, but it will come out of your eyes and every single orifice and hole in your body because your body just hemorrhages. 0.98
02:15:28.000 And so perhaps that needs to be investigated as well, because that is very alarming, as you said, the fact that they are still conducting and renewing grants and taxpayer funds for Ebola experiments on animals. 0.98
02:15:42.000 What is the benefit of injecting a monkey or a dog or a cat with an Ebola virus and studying the effects?
02:15:50.000 How do humans benefit from these tests that are being done on animals that don't even have the same biological or genetic makeup of human beings?
02:15:59.000 They don't.
02:16:00.000 And actually, it's worse than that because the FDA, HHS, has a rule that there's some viruses like Ebola that it's too dangerous.
02:16:10.000 You can't even test these things on humans.
02:16:13.000 So actually they have something called the animal rule where they develop, they do these horrible experiments, animals, and develop quote unquote treatments.
02:16:22.000 And they're never going to be tested in a human until there's an outbreak.
02:16:27.000 That's when the first person is going to get it and it could kill them.
02:16:29.000 You don't know based on an animal test if something's going to be safe and effective.
02:16:33.000 You only, you know, someone is always going to be the first human, and that's why there's better technology now to predict if something's going to be safe and effective instead of poisoning puppies or infecting monkeys.
02:16:44.000 Or, you know, another program that's a Fauci program that's still going on at Cornell University is there and giving cats COVID and just watching the disease progress and watching them die or get sick over a few weeks and the ones who survive are killed.
02:16:57.000 All of these infectious disease experiments were under Fauci's division of NIH that he led for almost 40 years that had a $6.5 billion budget.
02:17:06.000 And that's why, you know, we had four priorities for the Trump administration at the beginning of this year.
02:17:11.000 One was defunding all dog and cat labs.
02:17:13.000 Obviously, we're making progress on that.
02:17:15.000 We still have ways to, we have a ways to go because NIH is the single largest funder.
02:17:19.000 So we've made progress at DOD and Navy, but we do need to get some work done at the NIH.
02:17:25.000 And that's why we're disappointed that Jay is not keeping his promise he made to me personally and to Whitecoat Waste that he would get that done.
02:17:32.000 So cutting dog and cat labs, defunding labs in China.
02:17:35.000 Obviously, we've cut off some of the funding to China, but there's still 19 labs in China, animal labs in China eligible for NIH funding as of today.
02:17:43.000 Reinstating the EPA phase out an adoption program, that's in the works, obviously.
02:17:48.000 Big news this week about that.
02:17:50.000 And also end the monkey lab and NIH.
02:17:54.000 And that's something that you've been working towards for a long time and something that, again, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is not fulfilling.
02:18:04.000 He is not being honest about the timeline for ending these animal tests.
02:18:09.000 He's not being direct and honest about his intentions in ending animal testing.
02:18:14.000 And we have the video.
02:18:15.000 Here's a video of a monkey in a lab at NIH headquarter.
02:18:20.000 And this laboratory is still open.
02:18:22.000 And they are inducing anxiety and stress in these monkeys and seeing how they react in experiments that involve snakes.
02:18:30.000 And so you can imagine this poor innocent monkey being scared to death in these experiments.
02:18:36.000 I don't really even understand what these experiments are for.
02:18:39.000 I don't understand.
02:18:41.000 And when I say I don't understand what they're for, it's not that I don't know what they are.
02:18:45.000 I just don't understand the scientific value.
02:18:48.000 Just you're going to have to help me out here, Justin.
02:18:51.000 I don't really understand what kind of medical advancement is being made for humans by terrifying a monkey.
02:19:00.000 I mean, causing a monkey to potentially go into cardiac arrest from being frightened so much, giving monkeys PTSD, giving animals anxiety disorders.
02:19:10.000 I just don't understand.
02:19:12.000 Like, are we going to find a cure for cancer?
02:19:14.000 Are we going to find a cure for diabetes?
02:19:16.000 Like, what are we doing here, right?
02:19:18.000 So let's go ahead and play the video and then I want to get your reaction.
02:19:21.000 So let's go.
02:19:50.000 So let's go.
02:20:07.000 Where the hell's the dancing monkey?
02:20:09.000 *sad music* you Thank you.
02:20:13.000 Thank you. 0.95
02:20:14.000 These sick sociopathic experimenters inside NIH headquarters, obviously they're joking and laughing about tormenting these monkeys. 0.98
02:20:23.000 They have dozens of monkeys. 0.99
02:20:25.000 They buy these monkeys.
02:20:27.000 They bring them in the lab.
02:20:28.000 And you could hear them at the end saying, not to cut you off, saying something like almost taunting the monkey, like, oh, where's the dancing monkey?
02:20:35.000 Where's the dancing monkey?
02:20:36.000 It's like, obviously, the monkey is scared and the monkey cannot move.
02:20:42.000 It's in a cage, a crate, whatever you want to call it.
02:20:47.000 And the monkeys are essentially developing a form of psychosis because they're going crazy from being so terrified that they are literally banging their heads in a violent manner against a metal cage while these mad scientists, I'm not even going to call them doctors because it's just, they're doing nothing to actually benefit humanity or help animals.
02:21:08.000 And when you take a code of professional ethics as a doctor or as a veterinarian or as a scientist, you are supposed to be operating with ethics that show concern and regard for the humanity of humans and animals.
02:21:23.000 And you are not supposed to abuse your knowledge or your skills to inflict harm or physical pain on living creatures.
02:21:31.000 And so I find it to be pretty disgusting.
02:21:35.000 And no, this isn't in Africa. 0.85
02:21:37.000 This isn't in China.
02:21:38.000 This isn't in some faraway land.
02:21:41.000 This is happening in Bethesda, Maryland, which is one of the most expensive, wealthiest towns in America, just outside of Washington, D.C., where NIH headquarters is located.
02:21:53.000 And this is where Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's office is and where he's supposed to report for work nearly every single day when he's not traveling.
02:22:01.000 And this monkey lab is literally inside the same building that the Trump-appointed NIH director shows up to work for every single day.
02:22:10.000 And he's not doing anything.
02:22:12.000 I mean, if I do it, and I actually did do this.
02:22:15.000 I mean, I was actually suspended.
02:22:16.000 I wrote about this in my book.
02:22:18.000 I got suspended from school.
02:22:19.000 I believe I was in third or fourth grade because I was so horrified by animal experiments that I actually stole the classroom snake and the classroom mouse from their cages because I was horrified that they were going to be doing tests on animals or they were going like science lab experiments and that they were going to potentially feed the mouse to the snake.
02:22:44.000 And I literally got suspended from elementary school for stealing the lab animals and shoving them in my backpack.
02:22:50.000 And I remember my father had to pick me up from school and he tried keeping a straight face because I actually stole the animals from my school Because I tried to save them from what I thought was inhumane treatment.
02:23:05.000 I didn't like the fact that they had these animals in cages.
02:23:08.000 And so, even as a small child, right, you understand empathy and you understand pain, not just pain or empathy for your fellow human, but pain and empathy for animals, innocent animals that are being caged and mistreated.
02:23:26.000 And it's an abomination that these are esteemed scientists, right?
02:23:31.000 They like to call themselves esteemed scientists who are being paid for by our taxpayer dollars so they can terrorize animals that have nowhere to hide and nowhere to run.
02:23:41.000 Yeah.
02:23:41.000 And those videos we exposed in early 2020, right as COVID hit, actually.
02:23:46.000 It was February of 2020.
02:23:49.000 We had filed a lawsuit against the NIH a few months earlier and got those videos and we've been fighting it since.
02:23:54.000 And Jay told me he was going to end primate labs.
02:23:57.000 He told me and my wife that they're shutting down primate labs.
02:24:00.000 They're going to end all dog cat and primate testing.
02:24:02.000 And this laboratory inside his headquarters is, as far as we know, still alive and well.
02:24:11.000 And those monkeys have holes drilled in their heads. 0.89
02:24:13.000 They destroy the part of their brain that controls fear, their fear response.
02:24:17.000 And then they chain them up by the neck in those tiny cages and they scare them with fake snakes and spiders and laugh about it.
02:24:23.000 And what you said about them being traumatized and rocking back and forth, that's exactly what's happening in that video is they pull their own hair out, they bite themselves, they rock back and forth because they spend their entire lives at taxpayer expense locked in a cage that size, constantly terrified that someone's going to come in and abuse them because that's the only time that they ever see people.
02:24:42.000 And they're done with them when they're in the middle of the day.
02:24:43.000 Oh, and then they kill them.
02:24:45.000 And we have told them we've said, shut these down.
02:24:48.000 We've put them in touch with sanctuaries that take primates from laboratories and can rehabilitate them so they can live in semi-natural environments in these sanctuaries that specialize in rehabilitating monkeys from laboratories.
02:25:00.000 We work with a bunch of them around the country that do amazing work.
02:25:04.000 And to my knowledge, they haven't gotten a call from anyone at the NIH yet.
02:25:09.000 And there's, you know, thousands of monkeys and tens of thousands of dogs and cats in laboratories right now waiting for Jay to do something.
02:25:18.000 And he needs to keep his promise to us and do what Trump and RFK want him to do and slash that spending at the NIH and prioritize getting dogs, cats, and primates out of those labs and in as many cases as possible into loving homes.
02:25:31.000 Obviously, you know, you and I have been working with the Kindness Ranch to help raise awareness about the great work they're doing going around the country, rescuing dogs and cats from laboratories.
02:25:39.000 We have put them in touch with the NIH.
02:25:41.000 They are ready, willing, and able to take in dogs and cats from labs around the world and find loving homes for them.
02:25:47.000 They have the infrastructure.
02:25:48.000 They are ready to go.
02:25:50.000 They are still waiting to get a call from a laboratory to say, come and get some animals from one of these NIH laboratories.
02:25:57.000 Obviously, they're doing other great work rescuing animals constantly.
02:26:00.000 We've had John from the executive director of Kindness Ranch here on Loomer Unleashed, and I have actually launched a Gives and Go.
02:26:07.000 It's gives and go.com slash save the Beagles, gifts and go.com slash save the beagles for anybody watching who wants to help me raise over $100,000.
02:26:19.000 That's my goal.
02:26:19.000 I'm trying to raise them over $100,000 because the last time, here you go, that's the Gives and Go page.
02:26:24.000 I had John on the program about a month or so ago, and we were talking about his plans for the months of May and June.
02:26:33.000 And I was talking to John, as you know, because we're on a group text together about all the beagles that he rescued because I said, all right, great.
02:26:41.000 I'm having you on my show.
02:26:42.000 Report back to me after, you know, May and June because I want to know what the tally is.
02:26:46.000 I want to know how many beagles have been rescued.
02:26:49.000 And he literally drives a van that has custom crates, air condition, heat, you name it.
02:26:58.000 And he just drives nonstop with his wife.
02:27:00.000 And they go coast to coast, all over the country, and they identify these laboratories.
02:27:05.000 They try to find them.
02:27:06.000 They sign NDAs with them so that they don't have to worry about being publicly shamed for abusing animals as long as they turn the animals over.
02:27:14.000 And then they rehabilitate these poor beagles who have been abused, as you know, who have never been outside.
02:27:19.000 They've never experienced what it's like to have cuddles and love and, you know, playtime.
02:27:24.000 They've just been tortured in these cages their entire life.
02:27:27.000 And they literally take these dogs and then they transport them from whether it's Colorado, California, wherever these laboratories may be.
02:27:35.000 They even go to Canada and they transport these dogs back to their ranch in Wyoming, where they have this massive facility where people can come and camp and take care of the dogs.
02:27:46.000 And then they rehabilitate these animals and they find them homes.
02:27:49.000 And so I have created this gifts and go because they only have one van and they want a larger van so that they can have other staff and volunteers driving.
02:27:59.000 So it's not just John and his wife.
02:28:00.000 So they can do double missions all across the country and rescue these poor innocent beagles.
02:28:06.000 And so if you're watching and you want to help make that happen and you want to help participate in saving these dogs, well, help us get this custom van for Kindness Ranch.
02:28:16.000 You can go to givesango.com slash save the beagles.
02:28:20.000 And I think that with everybody who watches this show, if everybody chips in $5, $10, $20, we can easily raise the $150,000.
02:28:30.000 He says that the van will cost probably about $100,000, but I don't want it to be, you know, maybe it's $100,000, maybe it's $105,000.
02:28:40.000 I want to make sure that he has all the money that he needs to get this completely tripped out.
02:28:46.000 And when I say tripped out van, I'm talking about tripped out for dogs, of course, right?
02:28:51.000 So AC heating, the custom cages, the waterlined floors, the drainage system so that they can wash it and make sure that they're cleaning it and taking care of it.
02:29:03.000 All of the different harnesses and the restraints and the safety mechanisms for the dogs.
02:29:08.000 We're not talking about like flat screen TVs and, you know, leather seats and whatnot.
02:29:14.000 We're talking about the bells and whistles for these dogs for the sake of transporting them, whether it's snowy conditions, super hot conditions, whatever it may be, however far or how long it may take to drive these dogs across the country.
02:29:27.000 They need all the bells and whistles so that they have the most secure, Dog-friendly, I guess you could call it a sprinter.
02:29:34.000 It's not just a regular van.
02:29:35.000 It'd be like a sprinter bus, very nice bus.
02:29:39.000 But you have to have it completely customized because obviously they don't just sell buses made for transporting 30 dogs.
02:29:46.000 So this is a custom project.
02:29:48.000 But just imagine, you know, who knows?
02:29:51.000 Maybe we'll get two, three, four buses and then you'll have even more of these operations running at the same time across the country.
02:29:58.000 But I wasn't joking when I told you that story, Justin.
02:30:01.000 Sometimes I really wish that I could channel my inner third grade.
02:30:05.000 I think it was either third grade or fourth grade.
02:30:07.000 I don't remember.
02:30:08.000 All I remember is that they suspended me and my parents were trying to not laugh when they had to come speak to the school principal because they're like, well, what did your daughter do?
02:30:17.000 It's like, you know, Mr. Loomer, you need to come to the school right now.
02:30:21.000 Your daughter is being suspended.
02:30:23.000 We need to have a parent-teacher conference immediately.
02:30:25.000 And so my dad zips over.
02:30:27.000 Well, what did she do? 0.56
02:30:27.000 She's, you know, she's just in third or fourth grade. 0.56
02:30:30.000 What could she have possibly done that warrants her getting suspended?
02:30:33.000 Well, she stole the laboratory snake and the laboratory mice and she said that she didn't want them to be tested on and she shoved them in her backpack.
02:30:41.000 Real story.
02:30:42.000 My dad can vouch for that.
02:30:44.000 But I tell you that story because if children, right, if my innocent third grade, fourth grade self had enough compassion and understanding for animals to know that animal testing was wrong, to know that caging animals for the sake of torturing them and harming them in scientific experiments is wrong,
02:31:05.000 then these esteemed scientists and doctors who have tons of credentials and tons of education and tons of degrees and whatever, educational accolades, whatever you want to call it, professional degrees, professional awards, they should have enough common sense to know that what they're doing is wrong.
02:31:25.000 What they're doing is wrong and it's not humane.
02:31:28.000 We need to get you with your backpack over to Bethesda, Laura.
02:31:31.000 I know.
02:31:32.000 I just maybe I just wish that the rules didn't apply because now, you know, I'd probably get arrested for trespassing if I was a cute little third grader and I, you know, snuck in with my backpack and tried to jailbreak these monkeys.
02:31:46.000 You know, beg for forgiveness.
02:31:48.000 Don't ask for permission, right?
02:31:50.000 But I'm not a cute little third or fourth grader anymore.
02:31:53.000 So I probably would end up in cuffs.
02:31:55.000 But not encouraging anybody to break into NIH headquarters, of course.
02:31:59.000 But again, it is sad that we even have to joke about this because it's real.
02:32:04.000 They really are doing these tests at the office that Dr. Jay Bhattacharya reports to.
02:32:10.000 It's not some separate facility.
02:32:11.000 It's the headquarter office.
02:32:13.000 We have another video that you flagged for me that I want to play.
02:32:18.000 This is the video of primate testing at the VA.
02:32:22.000 So let's go ahead and play this clip as well.
02:32:24.000 Thank you.
02:32:54.000 Thank you.
02:33:10.000 So that's one of the happy-go-lucky monkeys that you rescued.
02:33:14.000 He looks so cute and happy, enjoying his best life.
02:33:17.000 If you could just tell the viewers about the testing that was being done at the VA and how much it was costing taxpayers and where those monkeys that you rescued from those labs are currently living their best life today.
02:33:31.000 Yeah, so that video is a great example of our approach.
02:33:34.000 We kind of have, you know, unlike a lot of organizations, kind of a soup to nuts approach on this issue.
02:33:39.000 We call it foyer freedom.
02:33:41.000 You know, we do the investigations to expose the laboratories.
02:33:43.000 We get the documents.
02:33:44.000 We sue the government for the records.
02:33:46.000 We expose them through media campaigns.
02:33:49.000 We work with members of Congress or the administration to enact legislation to free the animals, have grassroots pressure campaigns on agencies like the NIH.
02:33:58.000 And then whenever possible, we work with organizations like the Kindness Ranch to get those survivors from the animal testing into, in the case of primates, into sanctuaries for dogs and cats, bunnies, even mice and rats into loving homes.
02:34:14.000 The VA, when we first started this campaign during the first Trump administration, was buying primates and giving them spinal cord injuries.
02:34:25.000 They had purchased and were using a device that would crush the monkeys' spinal cords to damage them.
02:34:33.000 And then they forced them to run on treadmills, to play video games, and then killed them at the end of the experiments.
02:34:39.000 And those are the experiments right now that the VA is about to eliminate.
02:34:45.000 The monkey at the end of that video is actually from another Trump administration, a Trump 45 victory.
02:34:51.000 That monkey is named Moby.
02:34:52.000 The FDA spent $5.5 million to addict baby monkeys to nicotine at a laboratory in Arkansas.
02:35:01.000 And we exposed that laboratory.
02:35:03.000 And the head of the FDA actually went down to the lab after our investigation, was horrified by what he saw.
02:35:09.000 And again, this is the type of thing Jay Bhattacharya can be doing, said, I just went to this lab.
02:35:14.000 It was horrible.
02:35:15.000 We are shutting down those experiments.
02:35:16.000 And not only are we shutting down those experiments, we are going to send those monkeys to a sanctuary.
02:35:20.000 And that's what they did.
02:35:21.000 They sent them to a sanctuary in Florida.
02:35:23.000 And that monkey you saw at the end of the video is one of the monkeys we saved from the FDA's nicotine experiments.
02:35:28.000 So what the NIH is saying can't be done overnight.
02:35:32.000 It's impossible.
02:35:34.000 We need to invest tens of millions, if not billions more dollars.
02:35:39.000 Exactly.
02:35:40.000 The EPA is doing it.
02:35:41.000 The Navy is doing it.
02:35:42.000 The VA is doing it.
02:35:43.000 The FDA has done it.
02:35:45.000 How is it that every other agency in the federal government seems to be able to do, make these changes essentially overnight, but it's impossible for the NIH?
02:35:53.000 The issue at the NIH is there's not the leadership and political will to actually do it.
02:35:57.000 It's not that it can't be done.
02:35:59.000 And it's actually A mandate they have right now to cut waste 40% of their budget, cut waste and fraud and abuse there.
02:36:06.000 And the perfect place to start is with animal testing.
02:36:10.000 Absolutely.
02:36:12.000 And I want to play another video.
02:36:14.000 You briefly touched on the fact that you're working with Nancy Mace and Doug Collins, and they confirmed that the VA is on track to end primate testing as a whole before Congress's 2026 deadline.
02:36:25.000 So let's go ahead and play clip number 21.
02:36:28.000 As an animal lover, I applaud the VA for ending painful, unnecessary experiments on dogs and cats.
02:36:33.000 This was a bold step under President Trump, and Congress has since required the VA to phase out primate testing by 2026.
02:36:40.000 What's the current status on phasing out animal testing, particularly on primates?
02:36:43.000 We're on track to make sure that that directive is met.
02:36:46.000 In fact, in some instances, we may be even able to meet that goal sooner.
02:36:53.000 VA Secretary, ahead of schedule.
02:36:56.000 Not only are we ending it, we're doing it faster than Congress asked us to.
02:37:00.000 I mean, that's the type of leadership we need and we're getting at other agencies, but we're not seeing at the NIH.
02:37:06.000 And, you know, it's unfortunate because when I first came on this show, I first came on your show on Tax Day, April 15th, almost three months ago.
02:37:15.000 And I was optimistic.
02:37:18.000 I remember I was saying that, you know, I've talked to Jay.
02:37:20.000 He's a supporter of ours.
02:37:21.000 Things are moving in the right direction.
02:37:23.000 And I remember you said, why hasn't he done anything yet?
02:37:26.000 Why do we, why are you so optimistic and trustworthy of Jay?
02:37:30.000 He hasn't done anything yet.
02:37:32.000 Yeah, because unfortunately you got to be a go-getter.
02:37:35.000 Like if you, if you are made aware of something, obviously it's going to take like, you know, some time to get it shut down.
02:37:41.000 I don't know if it can be done overnight.
02:37:43.000 Like it's the federal government.
02:37:44.000 It moves slow.
02:37:46.000 But realistically, it shouldn't take more than one week, right?
02:37:50.000 Like really honestly, like it shouldn't take more than a full week, depending on, I mean, it's the federal government.
02:37:55.000 So we all know these people clock in.
02:37:57.000 They're nine to five people, right?
02:37:58.000 They're not, they're not working weekends like we are.
02:38:01.000 Like I spent my whole weekend saving animals and trying to, you know, help animals that were set to be euthanized find homes, right?
02:38:09.000 So, I mean, true story.
02:38:10.000 That's what I do.
02:38:11.000 I spend my time, my free time, my little free time that I have trying to help animals, even on the weekends.
02:38:17.000 But, and I know you do as well.
02:38:19.000 But it shouldn't really take more than a week, right?
02:38:22.000 A full business week for a head of an agency to be able to direct their staff to identify.
02:38:29.000 It sounds like you're already doing the work.
02:38:30.000 So you're not exactly asking these people to go and do the research themselves.
02:38:34.000 You're delivering all the hard work to them on a silver platter, paying for it with your own resources at White Coat Waste.
02:38:40.000 You're just asking them to sign a document to, you know, essentially end all this testing.
02:38:46.000 So in that sense, it shouldn't even take a whole week.
02:38:49.000 But with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, he has had months.
02:38:52.000 I mean, what?
02:38:53.000 We are in July now.
02:38:54.000 Okay.
02:38:55.000 So we are now seven months into the Trump administration.
02:38:59.000 Yeah.
02:38:59.000 And, you know, there are models for other things Trump has done at NIH, at other agencies, both this administration and the first one, where, okay, there's a lot of, you know, there's tens of thousands of dogs and cats in laboratories.
02:39:14.000 There's over 100,000 monkeys at laboratories in the U.S. Okay, maybe overnight you can make a decision about what you're going to do.
02:39:21.000 Maybe we're not going to be able to shut it all down overnight and send them somewhere to a safe home, but you can say effective today, we are not funding any new grants or contracts for abusive testing on dogs, cats, and primates.
02:39:34.000 And you can say we're not going to renew any of the existing ones.
02:39:38.000 They're not getting a penny more money.
02:39:40.000 And we're actually going to work on retiring all those animals to laboratories whenever possible.
02:39:45.000 That is something that is modeled and something I proposed to the NIH in March.
02:39:50.000 I sent them draft language for something that they can do that was modeled after other things the Trump administration had done during 45 to end other forms of abusive research.
02:40:03.000 So this is something that has been done before.
02:40:06.000 It can be done again.
02:40:07.000 The NIH has done things like this before.
02:40:09.000 HHS has done things like this before.
02:40:12.000 Again, it just needs to be a priority.
02:40:15.000 And instead of making it a priority, the NIH is complaining that we're being too mean to them instead of actually doing what we want them to do, which is what people want to do.
02:40:24.000 We're so mean to you.
02:40:25.000 We're asking you to stop torturing animals.
02:40:28.000 It really is, to your point, such a discrepancy between the leadership that we're seeing by people like Lise Elden at EPA or the Navy Secretary John Phelan or Defense Secretary Pete Hagseth, and then the black sheep over in the corner, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.
02:40:44.000 I mean, Lise Eldon is going as far as telling the EPA, hey, we're not going to be doing animal testing anymore.
02:40:51.000 We're going to help adopt these animals out.
02:40:53.000 But also, there was also a report, I believe, in the New York Times about how he's even encouraging the employees of the EPA to adopt the animals.
02:41:03.000 So not just, oh, hey, we're going to allow for these animals to go up for adoption.
02:41:09.000 But also, if you are an employee of EPA, maybe you want to adopt some of these rats or mice or fish.
02:41:16.000 So he's even encouraging his own staff within his agency to adopt these animals that were abused by the EPA as their own personal pets, which is pretty phenomenal.
02:41:30.000 Yeah, it's amazing.
02:41:31.000 Yeah, it's not just dogs and cats, right?
02:41:32.000 It's not just bunnies.
02:41:33.000 I mean, the EPA, we've been fighting for years to get the bunnies out of that lab finally.
02:41:37.000 What I'm saying is they're not just outsourcing it to groups like yours, White Coat Waiters or Kindness Ranch.
02:41:43.000 They are taking the initiative.
02:41:44.000 And so if EPA can take the initiative to encourage and solicit their own employees in the federal government to adopt some of these animals to find them homes, like, hey, I know you've had a long day at work.
02:41:55.000 Do you want this fish?
02:41:58.000 Do you want this mouse?
02:41:59.000 Do you want this rat?
02:42:01.000 Then why can't NIH lists?
02:42:05.000 We've given people working on this NIH, supposedly working on the animal testing issue for NIH.
02:42:12.000 We've given them lists of grants and contracts to cut the animals, the species and estimate and number of how many animals are there.
02:42:20.000 And then for each project, if it's monkeys, oh, contact this sanctuary.
02:42:24.000 If it's dogs and cats, contact John Raymer at the Kaimas Ranch.
02:42:28.000 You know, we've laid the groundwork for this.
02:42:30.000 This is something we've been preparing for since November after Trump won the election.
02:42:36.000 We knew that there was an opportunity here to cut these programs and save a lot of animals.
02:42:41.000 And again, we see a lot of progress.
02:42:44.000 Even the FDA, which is also under RFK, they released an animal testing phaseout plan where they have specific benchmarks for the next five years.
02:42:52.000 We're going to do this and these tests on primates and then these tests and these tests.
02:42:56.000 They actually have a plan with deadlines and benchmarks and specifics.
02:43:00.000 The NIH hasn't done that yet.
02:43:02.000 It's just released some vague statement about reducing animal testing and are not committing to cutting and actually saying the opposite.
02:43:10.000 They're saying we're not going to cut animal tests.
02:43:12.000 So yeah, it's frustrating.
02:43:14.000 Again, this is just a leadership issue.
02:43:17.000 And hopefully you are making enough noise about this.
02:43:20.000 And we're making enough noise about this that someone gives a call over to the NIH headquarters and says, what the hell is going on?
02:43:27.000 Because this is easy.
02:43:28.000 This is a win.
02:43:29.000 This is something everyone across this country is going to love, that dogs and cats are coming out of labs instead of being tortured and finding loving homes.
02:43:38.000 John Bramer at the Kinas Ranch has a long waiting list of people waiting to adopt dogs and cats.
02:43:43.000 There are other rescuers around this country who will jump in and help if we have a problem with plenty and we need to save more dogs and cats from laboratories.
02:43:51.000 But instead, the NIH is saying, we need to spend more money.
02:43:55.000 We need to develop alternatives.
02:43:56.000 We can't end this testing yet.
02:43:57.000 It can't happen overnight.
02:43:59.000 Well, guess what?
02:44:00.000 It can.
02:44:00.000 Other agency heads are doing it and you need to follow suit.
02:44:04.000 And the animal rights groups.
02:44:05.000 The established animal rights groups are actually praising NIH right now.
02:44:09.000 We're the only ones criticizing this nebulous plan to reduce animal testing.
02:44:13.000 They're all applauding them, clapping like seals, saying, great, you're saying you're going to reduce animal testing.
02:44:19.000 Excellent.
02:44:20.000 And they don't say when or how it's going to happen.
02:44:24.000 And they're telling us they're not going to end it now.
02:44:26.000 And the animals and labs now can't wait.
02:44:28.000 If they have to wait for this new technology, they're going to be dead long before this stuff exists.
02:44:33.000 We need to save animals now while there's the political will and mandate from the administration to slash and burn at the NIH and get rid of this wasteful testing. 0.99
02:44:42.000 Absolutely.
02:44:42.000 And I will say it's not just that we have a mandate.
02:44:47.000 We also have, as you said, so many partner organizations like White Coat Waste and Kindness Ranch and other partner organizations, right?
02:44:55.000 You guys are some of the most vocal, of course.
02:44:57.000 But as you said, there's a long waiting list and other groups across the country who are eager to help.
02:45:03.000 And so it's not like this is going to require the agencies to exert tons of resources to pay for these animals to be adopted out.
02:45:11.000 All they have to do is open up their doors and people will drive across the country.
02:45:15.000 Kindness Ranch is using their own resources.
02:45:18.000 They are their own nonprofit.
02:45:20.000 They spend their own money driving across the country.
02:45:22.000 The federal government is not paying for this.
02:45:25.000 They just release the animals to them and they take them and they rehabilitate them.
02:45:29.000 So there really is no excuse and there is no additional cost to the taxpayer for these agencies to implement anti-animal testing policies and pro-adoption policies.
02:45:42.000 That's right.
02:45:43.000 And that's why, again, this has been our top priority for this administration.
02:45:47.000 Number one, end all these dog and cat labs and get these animals into loving homes. 0.98
02:45:51.000 And what we've told all of the agencies that we've spoken to, it won't cost them a dime.
02:45:56.000 Just open the cages and people, White Coat Waste and its partners are going to come. 1.00
02:46:01.000 People are going to be happy to spend their own money, their resources to come and rescue these animals.
02:46:06.000 They just don't want the government forcing them to torture them.
02:46:08.000 But people will happily shell out the resources to drive to a laboratory in their city or their town or their state or go to Kindness Ranch and adopt animals there where they, you know, they're able to take in dozens and dozens at a time at this massive facility they have.
02:46:23.000 Especially if it's promoted, especially if these agencies admit to their wrongdoing and they say, you know what, we are in a new era, the golden age, as President Trump calls it.
02:46:33.000 And under the golden age, we are not going to engage in animal testing.
02:46:38.000 And so we welcome animal rights or animal welfare groups to approach us if they would like to help us find homes for these animals.
02:46:47.000 And people, they would get so much good press.
02:46:50.000 It's such a win, as you said before.
02:46:52.000 There's literally nothing negative about any of this.
02:46:55.000 And it's good PR.
02:46:57.000 I mean, they should be doing this not for the PR, obviously.
02:47:00.000 They should be doing this because they care about animals.
02:47:02.000 But let's be honest, a lot of these people in Washington, D.C. are very selfish and they only care about their own image and they care about how an issue can be used.
02:47:11.000 I mean, you know, you know, how it can be used to advance their own agenda.
02:47:16.000 And so if you're Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, what do you want to have?
02:47:19.000 Do you want to have stories about how you are basically the new Anthony Fauci torturing animals?
02:47:24.000 Or do you want people to praise you?
02:47:26.000 You seem to love getting flowers sent to him by PETA.
02:47:30.000 So more people, Dr. Jay, if you're watching and listening to this episode, will send you flowers.
02:47:35.000 I will send you flowers if you shut down these labs and allow for these animals to be released.
02:47:42.000 No, I mean, it is true.
02:47:44.000 And it's funny in a sense, but it's also not funny.
02:47:48.000 I do remember his interview with Fox News.
02:47:50.000 And I know you remember it too, where he was saying that, oh, it was great because PETA sent me flowers.
02:47:55.000 It's like, okay, so you're doing this because you want to be praised.
02:48:01.000 Fine.
02:48:01.000 Like, we will praise you.
02:48:02.000 We will praise you.
02:48:03.000 If you want to be praised, then do something that is worthy of being praised over.
02:48:08.000 So it's unfortunate.
02:48:09.000 We call Balls and Stripes.
02:48:10.000 Yeah.
02:48:11.000 It's unfortunate that so many of these lawmakers and agency heads are egotistical and they are narcissists.
02:48:19.000 But look, it's not that we are not willing to play into their narcissism.
02:48:25.000 I would be more than happy as somebody who advocates for animals to play into a lawmaker's narcissism if they just did the right thing and they actually supported ending animal testing.
02:48:35.000 But it just seems like these people only want to do something if they can take credit for it or if they can get a photo op or if they can go have a million articles written about themselves doing the right thing.
02:48:47.000 And the question is, is why are lawmakers on both sides of the aisle not doing the right thing?
02:48:52.000 We all know that it's sociopathic criminal behavior to abuse living beings, whether they're Human beings or animals who have done no harm.
02:49:04.000 Okay, I'm not talking about hardened criminals or child rapists or things like that, right?
02:49:09.000 I'm talking about innocent animals who can't speak, they can't really communicate other than you know in their own animal way.
02:49:19.000 It's not like they can speak like a human can speak to another human.
02:49:23.000 And you're sitting there and you're confining this animal to a cage, in some cases, restraining them, incapacitating them, drugging them.
02:49:32.000 I mean, this is criminal behavior.
02:49:34.000 This is the type of behavior that we attribute to people like date rapists, right?
02:49:38.000 Like, oh, we're going to give you this, this drug.
02:49:42.000 You are going to inhale it.
02:49:44.000 You are going to become incapacitated and paralyzed.
02:49:47.000 And while you are unconscious, we are going to perform all types of unsolicited experiments on your body and probe your body without your consent. 0.97
02:49:56.000 I mean, if you were doing that to another human being, you would be called a serial date rapist.
02:50:02.000 If you did it to an animal outside of a laboratory, you'd end up in jail too.
02:50:05.000 You would end up in jail.
02:50:06.000 And so there should not be protection for this type of behavior.
02:50:09.000 Because if you were a human doing this to another human, you would be in jail.
02:50:13.000 You would be charged with rape.
02:50:15.000 You would be charged with assault.
02:50:17.000 You would be charged with kidnapping.
02:50:19.000 And like you said, if you were a human doing this to an animal outside of the protection of a taxpayer-funded laboratory, you would be charged under President Trump's executive order with a felony for animal cruelty.
02:50:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.
02:50:33.000 It's wild to me that we have to even make the case or in some instances, incentivize lawmakers and agency heads to do the right thing.
02:50:44.000 Well, fortunately, you know, we never put all our eggs in one basket.
02:50:48.000 And you and I haven't really even, we've talked a little bit about Congress, but Congress has a lot of authority here.
02:50:55.000 Congress holds the purse strings for these federal agencies.
02:50:58.000 And we always try to work with the agency and hopefully make inroads with leadership and work collaboratively with them to a mutually beneficial outcome.
02:51:11.000 You know, we want if the agency does the right thing, we want them to look good and get the praise they deserve if they're going to help us save animals.
02:51:17.000 But if they're not, then you're going to get ads on social media criticizing you.
02:51:23.000 You're going to get angry emails from voters and taxpayers who don't want to be forced to pay for this stuff.
02:51:29.000 And we're going to go work with Congress and force you to do the right thing through legislation, through appropriations bills.
02:51:36.000 We're just going to cut off the funding for these programs.
02:51:40.000 And then you're going to lose any authority or say you have any issue.
02:51:43.000 You won't do it on your own terms.
02:51:45.000 Congress is going to force you to do it.
02:51:46.000 And we've had to do that too.
02:51:49.000 But we had high hopes.
02:51:50.000 And again, we're not going to have to do that at the EPA, obviously.
02:51:53.000 We're not going to have to do that at the Navy because they showed these, you know, Lee Zeldon, John Phelan, Marty McCary at FDA, Doug Collins at the VA showed great leadership without being forced to do it.
02:52:05.000 They did the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
02:52:08.000 But now we're going to set our sights on NIH and work on legislation that's going to start cutting funding for these programs if Jay isn't going to do it on his own.
02:52:17.000 So there's lots of paths to victory here.
02:52:20.000 And usually it's a combination of things, right?
02:52:22.000 There's no silver bullet solution to any of this stuff.
02:52:24.000 We'd love to work with the administration.
02:52:27.000 I think what's frustrating to us is what we want is consistent with the president's agenda for the NIH and cleaning up public health agencies.
02:52:35.000 It's what RFK has said he wants to happen also to see happen also.
02:52:40.000 So we were hoping that this, the NIH would follow suit and do the right thing.
02:52:44.000 But if they're not going to, then we're going to work with people like Nancy Mace in Congress and members of the Senate.
02:52:51.000 And there's Democrats and Republicans who are ready, willing, and able and already talking to us about signing on to letters and legislation that is going to, if it gets signed into law, force the NIH's hand here.
02:53:04.000 So, you know, all hope isn't lost for sure.
02:53:07.000 Again, we've just had high hopes for the NIH under President Trump.
02:53:11.000 And hopefully we'll get a good outcome here without having to enact legislation.
02:53:16.000 But we're already pursuing that just in case.
02:53:19.000 Wonderful.
02:53:20.000 Well, Justin, it's always such a pleasure having you on the show.
02:53:24.000 And people love when you come on and talk about the work that White Coat Waste is doing to save all of these innocent animals.
02:53:32.000 Is there anything else that you wanted to inform our viewers about tonight or anything else that you wanted to talk about?
02:53:40.000 No, I would just urge everyone, if you want to get involved in the NIH campaign, at White Coat Waste on all the social media platforms.
02:53:47.000 We've got tons of content up there, email alerts where you can just click a couple buttons and have a letter sent right from you to NIH leadership asking them to cut funding for these programs.
02:53:57.000 Visit our website, whitecoatwaste.org.
02:54:00.000 But definitely at Whitecoat Waste, there's our X account right there.
02:54:04.000 And you see right at the top, there's a quote from Jay Pratacharya's Animal Testing Czar from NPR article a few weeks ago that says, we have no intention of just phasing out animal studies overnight.
02:54:16.000 We know that animal studies are still very important and often scientifically justified.
02:54:21.000 So that's what we're dealing with at the NIH.
02:54:23.000 That's the mentality that we're dealing with at the NIH, and that's what we're trying to fix.
02:54:29.000 So we're grateful for your support, Laurie.
02:54:32.000 You've been such a fierce advocate over the last few months, gotten so much done over the past few months, historic wins at the Navy.
02:54:39.000 I know you've been in touch with the EPA and hoping they were going to do the right thing.
02:54:43.000 And Lee Zeldin absolutely delivered there, saving so many animals and so much money from being wasted on these cruel tests.
02:54:49.000 So thank you for that.
02:54:51.000 I'm working with these agency heads.
02:54:53.000 And every single time any of these experiments are brought to my attention, you know me.
02:54:58.000 All you have to do is shoot me a text and I go into action.
02:55:02.000 So that's how everybody needs to be.
02:55:03.000 We need to save these animals and now's the time to do it because we may not have control of the House and the Senate.
02:55:09.000 As I said earlier in the show, we may not keep the House or the Senate because unfortunately, there are people in our country who are not just funding third-party initiatives, but also they are pouring money into the destabilization of our country through radical movements that really do not have an emphasis on pro-life Policy, whether that's pro-life policy for animals or pro-life policy for humans.
02:55:34.000 And it's unfortunate that the issue of animal abuse is becoming such a partisan issue.
02:55:40.000 This is something that people across all the whole political spectrum should agree on that this is wrong and that we need to be saving innocent animals.
02:55:50.000 But it's hard, especially with the facts in front of our faces and the facts inside these reports and the way that there are these very obvious ideological divides and such a clear contrast with the effort that's being put into these initiatives by Republicans compared to the work of Democrats,
02:56:13.000 that this unfortunately is somewhat of a partisan issue, where largely the Democrat Party is trying to defend the use of animal testing, which is demonstrated by the fact that there are still Obama holdovers and Biden holdovers at the Trump NIH trying to justify animal torture.
02:56:32.000 So I wish that the issue of animal torture and animal abuse wasn't as partisan as it's becoming, but I can only hope that White Coat Waste and other groups like White Coat Waste can continue exposing these horrific experiments and the torture of innocent animals to the point where people join and they hold hands from across the aisle, regardless of their political affiliation, regardless of whether they love or hate Trump, and they come together to save animals.
02:56:59.000 That would be my biggest hope is that we can unite as Americans to say that this is wrong and we do not need this anymore and we need to stand up for these animals.
02:57:11.000 As my dad would say, from your lips to God's ears, Laura.
02:57:15.000 That's what I hope.
02:57:16.000 It's sad.
02:57:17.000 You know, I like to think that animals are the thing that can unite all of us despite our political differences.
02:57:26.000 But seeing people defend some of these experiments, I don't know.
02:57:30.000 Sometimes I wonder if it's going to happen.
02:57:32.000 But my hope is that despite all of our differences and our ideological divides, that the most polarizing figures in Congress can come together to at least stand with the animals.
02:57:47.000 If anything's going to do it, it's animals.
02:57:49.000 And I work with the Freedom Caucus and the squad and everybody in between on, you know, not every campaign is.
02:57:55.000 I hope we can get everybody on the same page.
02:57:57.000 That's my point.
02:58:00.000 I hope that we can get the far left and all the Republicans on the same page with each other.
02:58:07.000 It's becoming, in my opinion, and look, it's a conversation for another time, but I think with the with the cultural shifts, it's not just a political shift too, but there are cultural differences as we have discussed.
02:58:21.000 And it's something that we need to talk about and we need to fight back against in our fight to preserve Western civilization.
02:58:31.000 And I think that if there's one thing that differentiates a civilized society, Justin, from an uncivilized society, it's how they treat the most vulnerable members of society.
02:58:43.000 And that's animals.
02:58:44.000 That, in my opinion, is one of the most defining differences between whether or not a society is civilized or they are completely uncivilized.
02:58:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.
02:58:56.000 Absolutely.
02:58:56.000 And listen, animal abuse is un-American, except when it's in a laboratory and the government is subsidizing it, all of a sudden it's science, it's not torture, and we're giving people awards and putting them.
02:59:09.000 The guy who did kitten cannibalism experiments at the USDA is in the USDA Hall of Fame.
02:59:14.000 Yeah, there's a disturbing double standard when it comes to animal experimentation where people who would be felons outside of a lab are being getting raises and promotions and taxpayer-funded salaries.
02:59:25.000 So, you know, we're working as hard as we can every single day to make sure that that comes to an end.
02:59:30.000 And all the, you know, the cats and dogs in this country are getting their respect and compassion they deserve, just like the pets we have in our homes.
02:59:39.000 Absolutely.
02:59:40.000 Well, Justin, where do people follow you?
02:59:42.000 I know that they can visit the White Coat Waste website, but where do people follow you on social media if they want to stay up to date with your posts and all of your advocacy and work?
02:59:52.000 Yeah, so at White Coat Waste is our official account. 0.94
02:59:54.000 And if you want to follow me talking shit about the NIH and other agencies, at Justin R. Goodman on X. Yeah, and I will be joining you in doing the same and talking shit, as you say, about NIH. 0.99
03:00:08.000 And, but hey, is it really talking shit or is it just calling a spade a spade? 0.99
03:00:12.000 Eventually, you have to take the gloves off, especially when you extend an olive branch as we have and as White Coat Waste has. 0.98
03:00:20.000 And as somebody who has been there from the beginning to witness this, I can say that you guys have been more than generous.
03:00:27.000 And so people are not going to take advantage of grace and forgiveness.
03:00:32.000 And, you know, like I said, the extension of this olive branch and some kind of understanding to come to terms with why the NIH has decided to extend these contracts or, you know, who knows, maybe he has some excuse, like he wasn't aware of it.
03:00:53.000 But if you expire that term of good faith, then the gloves have to come off.
03:01:00.000 You cannot just live in oblivion.
03:01:06.000 You cannot be aloof.
03:01:07.000 You cannot continue to give excuses to people who lie to your face and promise you one thing and then do something else behind your back.
03:01:15.000 And I think that Dr. Jay Bhattacharya has had enough of grace.
03:01:21.000 And I think it's time to take that olive branch back.
03:01:24.000 So that's what we're going to do.
03:01:28.000 We're going to hold him accountable.
03:01:30.000 That's right.
03:01:31.000 Justin, thank you so much for coming on.
03:01:32.000 I really appreciate it.
03:01:34.000 Thanks, Laura.
03:01:36.000 Thank you.
03:01:40.000 I love Whitecoat Waste.
03:01:41.000 I am so passionate about animal rescue and helping raise awareness about cruel, inhumane animal tests.
03:01:50.000 And I just really hope, I really am sincere when I say I hope that people can see through the etiological lines and their hatred for One another and come together to do the right thing and end animal testing and save these animals from laboratories because it is really sad and just completely gut-wrenching to see some of these videos.
03:02:11.000 And when you read the details of these contracts and you see the inhumane treatment and the fact that this is happening in laboratories funded by taxpayer dollars, it's just so sad and it's very upsetting to me, not just as an animal lover, but also as an American taxpayer,
03:02:30.000 an American taxpayer to know that collectively, all of us, all of you watching, $20 billion of our money in a pool goes towards supporting abuse of animal tests every single year here in the United States.
03:02:45.000 So hopefully we can come together and put pressure on Dr. Jay Bhattacharya at the NIH and urge him to take the course of action that other members of the Trump cabinet and other members of the Trump administration have done in ending animal testing.
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