Loomer Unleashed - EP181: NIH's SICK SECRET: How Your Tax Dollars Are Still Funding Fauci's Torture Labs

00:20:27.000 There is a young female journalist, conservative journalist, by the name of Laura Loomer.

00:20:36.000 If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes. 0.99

00:20:42.000 Chained herself to twitter. 0.98

00:20:43.000 And welcome

00:21:34.000 to tonight's episode of Loomer Unleashed.

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00:22:08.000 At Loomer Unleashed, where my team and I post breaking news updates, stories, video clips, encounters up on Capitol Hill.

00:22:16.000 Members of Congress are finally going to be back tomorrow after a two week hiatus, which means Loomer Unleashed is back on the Hill.

00:22:24.000 We're going to be loomering people, confronting members of Congress, and boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, is there a lot to talk about.

00:22:31.000 Of course, if you've been following the news, you saw today two members of Congress resigned, including Democrats.

00:22:38.000 Congressman Eric Swalwell, who was running for governor of California on the Democrat side.

00:22:44.000 And you also had the resignation or the early retirement, as he wants to call it forced retirement, because of his own both of these reps, right? 0.75

00:22:52.000 Have their sex escapades. 0.99

00:22:54.000 Sex escapades, it's a mouthload. 0.99

00:22:56.000 It doesn't discriminate. 1.00

00:22:58.000 Look, there are perverts on the left and there are perverts on the right.

00:23:01.000 There are morally bankrupt people on the left.

00:23:03.000 There are morally bankrupt people on the right.

00:23:05.000 But today we saw the resignation of two members of Congress.

00:23:09.000 Of course, Eric Swalwell, Democrat, Tony Gonzalez, Texas Republican.

00:23:14.000 Now, what does this mean?

00:23:15.000 Aside from the fact that something must be in the water because our members of Congress are incredibly horny. 0.93

00:23:21.000 I don't know why our members of Congress are so horny, but it seems like a lot of members of Congress have sex scandals and they are banging people that are not their spouses, not their husbands, not their wives. 0.92

00:23:35.000 And, you know, I'm really glad I just never went to Congress. 0.92

00:23:41.000 I just have to say that.

00:23:42.000 I'm really happy because.

00:23:43.000 My life has really turned out for the better.

00:23:46.000 I'm getting married, and yeah, I don't have to deal with that kind of drama.

00:23:52.000 I don't have to go to bed at night wondering if I'm a member of Congress if my spouse is cheating on me.

00:23:58.000 So I'm really happy about that because so many people I know who went to Congress, especially people who started out in 2020, which is when I first ran for Congress, they're not married anymore.

00:24:10.000 They're divorced, including Marjorie Trader Green, who also had an affair and cheated on her husband.

00:24:16.000 So Seems like there's just so much infidelity in Congress.

00:24:21.000 You can see here we bring the receipts, of course.

00:24:23.000 September 28th, 2022, Marjorie Taylor Greene's husband files for divorce.

00:24:28.000 And of course, he filed for divorce because she had an affair.

00:24:31.000 You can pull that story up too. 0.99

00:24:32.000 I think it's a Daily Mail story about having sex with a tantric sex guru. 0.97

00:24:36.000 Type in Guru New York or Daily Mail. 0.95

00:24:40.000 I think it was a Daily Mail article. 0.74

00:24:43.000 Type in MTG divorce tantric sex guru. 0.98

00:24:49.000 Yeah, there we go. 1.00

00:24:52.000 Exclusive, embattled QAnon Congresswoman Marjorie Trader Green openly cheated on her husband of 25 years with a polyamorous tantric sex guru and then moved on to another affair with the manager at her gym. 0.96

00:25:03.000 So many members of Congress are having affairs. 0.56

00:25:06.000 And whether it's Marjorie Trader Green or Eric Swalwell, who was just accused of raping a woman today, there was a press conference.

00:25:14.000 We're going to play some of these clips for you.

00:25:17.000 In case you missed the highlights, there's a woman who claims that she was not having a Romantic relationship with Eric Swalwell.

00:25:27.000 Rather, she enjoyed politics and was networking because she owned a software company.

00:25:34.000 And according to her account or recount of events, rather, she hung out with Eric Swalwell several times and, you know, ended up getting drunk.

00:25:45.000 And she believes that he ended up putting something in her drink.

00:25:51.000 So you can go ahead and take a listen to this clip.

00:25:53.000 This is from the press conference earlier today.

00:25:56.000 But it is apparent that.

00:25:58.000 Eric Swalwell isn't the only member of Congress who is engaged in this type of activity.

00:26:03.000 And it kind of reminds me of what Madison Cawthorn said on his way out of Congress about how he was invited to all these orgies and how there were all these people doing cocaine.

00:26:13.000 And yeah, look at all the stories.

00:26:15.000 I mean, look, you had Matt Gaetz get pushed out of Congress as well.

00:26:18.000 And lots of accusations were swirling about Matt Gaetz and his activity.

00:26:24.000 All I'm saying is that there seems to be a lot of this type of activity that goes on in Congress on both sides of the aisle.

00:26:31.000 But.

00:26:32.000 Hey, eventually people get caught.

00:26:34.000 You can only lie for so long, but it's pretty remarkable.

00:26:38.000 I don't know.

00:26:39.000 Today must be the first time ever in history where you had a Republican and Democrat both resign from Congress on the same day for affairs and sex scandals.

00:26:47.000 So let's go ahead and play this clip.

00:26:51.000 On the third occasion, I believe he drugged my drink.

00:26:59.000 I only had one glass of wine.

00:27:08.000 He, we were supposed to go to a political event, and he said he needed to get paperwork from his hotel room.

00:27:18.000 When I arrived at his hotel room, I was already incapacitated and I couldn't move my arms or my body. 0.92

00:27:31.000 He raped me and he choked me, and while he was choking me, I lost consciousness. 0.97

00:27:45.000 And I thought I died. 0.99

00:27:48.000 I did not consent to any sexual activity.

00:27:54.000 Although I did not undergo a rape kit at the time, I disclosed the assault to the people closest to me.

00:28:04.000 I also recorded these events in my handwritten calendar.

00:28:10.000 The assault and its impact were later documented during my therapy sessions.

00:28:16.000 At a sexual assault center in Connecticut.

00:28:23.000 It had a profound impact on my mental health.

00:28:29.000 I self-medicated in an unhealthy way.

00:28:35.000 I did not want to live anymore.

00:28:40.000 I cried all the time for years.

00:28:42.000 At the time, I was in a dating relationship.

00:28:46.000 With a boyfriend, I was fully committed to.

00:28:50.000 I've never cheated in my life, and I would never have engaged in a consensual sexual encounter with Eric Spawwell.

00:28:58.000 I decided to ask him to meet me for a drink, and I did this because I was so far removed from what had happened in 2019.

00:29:08.000 I felt safe because I was established, I had a partner, I felt more secure.

00:29:18.000 That I could have a strictly professional relationship with this person.

00:29:22.000 After that bar closed, we went to another.

00:29:25.000 I went to the bathroom, and I don't remember anything after that.

00:29:29.000 You don't remember anything?

00:29:31.000 I remember the next day.

00:29:32.000 I can see flashes of that evening of him on top of me, me pushing him off, him grabbing me.

00:29:43.000 It was a lot more aggressive.

00:29:48.000 It was aggressive.

00:29:49.000 Did you say no?

00:29:51.000 Yes, I said no.

00:29:52.000 I said, I, in my flash that I can recall, I was pushing him off of me saying no.

00:30:00.000 And what did he do?

00:30:02.000 He didn't stop.

00:30:03.000 He didn't stop.

00:30:05.000 And you woke up the next morning?

00:30:07.000 I woke up the next morning naked, alone, in his hotel room.

00:30:12.000 I, for a moment, didn't even know I was in his hotel room.

00:30:18.000 That's how intoxicated I was.

00:30:21.000 And I called my mom.

00:30:24.000 The only person I could think that could help me.

00:30:28.000 And we were able to corroborate that by speaking with friends and family she confided in, reviewing photos and screenshots of contemporaneous text messages.

00:30:37.000 And we also reviewed a message from her medical provider the week after she received the pregnancy and STD tests, calling her a quote, survivor.

00:30:48.000 So these are not just regular Me Too accusations like, oh, yeah, believe all women.

00:30:55.000 I was raped.

00:30:56.000 I'm not showing any evidence.

00:30:58.000 One of the women apparently documented this in her medical records and has receipts that prove that she was again treated for STDs and took a pregnancy test and also got a rape kit.

00:31:12.000 And then the woman today who had the press conference said that she was so depressed and cried for years on end every single day after this incident happened, where she says Eric Swabal raped her and she wasn't interested in having a relationship with him.

00:31:28.000 Now, mind you, I'm not victim blaming here, but I am just going to say as a woman, you know, you probably, if you're in a committed relationship with a man, shouldn't be having drinks alone with another man who isn't your.

00:31:46.000 Husband, unless of course they're homosexual, right? 0.62

00:31:49.000 Like when I say homosexual, I'm talking about like a gay friend. 0.94

00:31:53.000 I just personally don't really think that it's appropriate to have drinks with a man who isn't your husband late at night.

00:32:01.000 Like it's one thing if you're at a cocktail hour for work and it's a social event and there's other people there, but I don't know.

00:32:08.000 I just think it's a little weird for anybody to be having drinks with a man who isn't their spouse late at night.

00:32:15.000 Now, again, there's never an excuse, it doesn't matter if somebody does that.

00:32:19.000 I personally don't think it's the most professional thing to do, but there's no excuse for somebody to physically assert themselves over you and to forcefully rape you.

00:32:29.000 That being said, this woman also is claiming that she has medical records and therapy records and conversations that are documented for years on end with a therapist allegedly outlining how traumatized she was after being allegedly raped by Eric Swalwell.

00:32:48.000 So, It's going to be really interesting if these women end up releasing those records because, of course, these are private medical records that would be subjected to HIPAA.

00:32:57.000 However, if they're willing to release these records to prove that Eric Swalwell did in fact rape them and criminal charges are brought, that's a whole game changer.

00:33:07.000 Because usually when people make these accusations years later, somebody says, Oh, they sexually assaulted me or they felt me up at a party or Oh, they raped me, there really usually isn't any kind of documentation.

00:33:21.000 But you can see here, Multiple women now coming out saying that they were raped by Eric Swalwell. 0.63

00:33:26.000 Ex-staffer says Eric Swalwell, candidate for governor, sexually assaulted her. 0.82

00:33:31.000 And it sounds like a lot of these women have the same stories where they went out drinking with Eric Swalwell and then, oh, well, they ended up naked in his bed, drunk, and hungover the next morning.

00:33:43.000 And we're not really able to recount the night before. 0.58

00:33:46.000 But again, I'm not victim blaming anybody, but I will say that you should be really careful if you're a woman about who you go drinking with and who you accept drinks from. 0.98

00:33:57.000 And there's, you know, it's one thing to be drugged, but it's another thing to just get totally shit faced and plastered. 0.72

00:34:03.000 And so I'm not blaming anybody personally. 1.00

00:34:06.000 I think that Eric Spalwell is a total scumbag. 0.98

00:34:09.000 But what I will say is that this should be a lesson for all women that one, don't just think that you can go out and have drinks with your boss casually. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

00:34:19.000 That's not professional at all. 1.00

00:34:21.000 And it's very inappropriate for young female staffers to be going out and having drinks with their boss if their boss is married.

00:34:28.000 And from my understanding, a lot of this activity where Eric Swalwell was engaged in these like sexual relationships with women who weren't his wife happened when his wife was pregnant, including the woman today who spoke at the press conference.

00:34:42.000 Is that the only?

00:34:42.000 I think that's the only clip.

00:34:43.000 There may be another clip from that press conference today.

00:34:47.000 We posted clips on the Loomer Unleashed account.

00:34:49.000 So there were a couple clips from today's press conference.

00:34:55.000 But what's interesting, let's see, we'll go ahead and get this other clip pulled up on the screen here.

00:35:02.000 What I found interesting is how the woman today who spoke at the press conference with Lisa Bloom, her attorney, who she's hired, well known lawyer who represents a lot of women who accuse men of sexual assault, sexual harassment, rape, that seems to be her specialty.

00:35:20.000 She said that she had evidence that these encounters with Eric Swalwell, particularly the encounter where she felt sexually violated and is now accusing him of rape, apparently took place when his wife was pregnant with their child.

00:35:36.000 So, just making matters even worse.

00:35:38.000 I mean, obviously, rape is bad in itself.

00:35:42.000 This case, allegedly, right?

00:35:44.000 People are innocent until proven guilty. 0.96

00:35:47.000 But these women are talking about these medical records that they have. 1.00

00:35:51.000 But. 1.00

00:35:52.000 Look, cheating is bad enough on its own, but cheating on your pregnant wife, that's just beyond the pale. 1.00

00:36:00.000 So, we all knew that Eric Swalwell was a scumbag and that his sexual escapades were going to catch up to him. 0.99

00:36:05.000 I don't think anybody is actually surprised. 0.99

00:36:07.000 The Democrats, of course, are now pretending, oh, wow, we had no idea he was such a great guy, such a great guy. 0.99

00:36:12.000 This is a guy who had sex with a Chinese spy, right? 0.98

00:36:16.000 This is a guy we could pull this up to Eric Swalwell, Chinese spy. 0.98

00:36:20.000 Stipend Swalwell, Chinese spy.

00:36:22.000 Her name was Fang Fang.

00:36:26.000 How a suspected Chinese spy, let's pull this Axios article up. 0.97

00:36:31.000 Suspected Chinese spy targeted California politicians.

00:36:35.000 You can scroll down and you can see that a suspected Chinese intelligence operative developed extensive ties with local and national politicians, including a U.S. congressman, and what officials believe was a political intelligence operation run by China's main civilian spy agency between 2011 and 2015.

00:36:53.000 So everybody knows about this scandal.

00:36:56.000 And if you don't know about the scandal, well, essentially, Eric Swalwell had sexual relations with a Chinese woman by the name of Fang Fang.

00:37:04.000 And it turns out that Fang Fang was a spy for China, the Chinese Communist Party.

00:37:09.000 And nothing was ever done about this.

00:37:11.000 Eric Swalwell was never investigated.

00:37:13.000 We were told that, you know, he should resign from Congress, but he never resigned from Congress.

00:37:18.000 And eventually it was always going to catch up with him. 0.64

00:37:21.000 Here we have Eric Swalwell with this woman known as Fang Fang, who, of course, is a Chinese spy.

00:37:27.000 Now, everybody knows Eric Swalwell had an affair with a Chinese spy.

00:37:31.000 Everybody knows.

00:37:32.000 Makes constant jokes.

00:37:33.000 There's so many memes, right?

00:37:34.000 Fang Fang likes to bang bang.

00:37:36.000 That was my favorite meme.

00:37:37.000 There was like a meme of Fang Fang.

00:37:39.000 Fang Fang likes to bang bang.

00:37:40.000 That was a funny one.

00:37:41.000 That was one that went pretty viral.

00:37:43.000 But you can go back and you can do a Google search and you could just type in Eric Swalwell Fang Fang.

00:37:50.000 Just type in Eric Swalwell Fang Fang.

00:37:54.000 Now you can see here, let's see, New York Post, Eric Swalwell's shameful meltdown.

00:37:59.000 Kind of a recount of all of his scandals.

00:38:02.000 He, of course, has been accused of rape.

00:38:05.000 He had a spy scandal with a Chinese spy who he had the affair with. 0.86

00:38:08.000 And then, of course, he farted on MSNBC.

00:38:11.000 Now, if you don't remember that, there's a clip of Eric Swalwell doing an interview, and he very clearly farted during an interview.

00:38:17.000 Why don't we go ahead and get that video pulled up?

00:38:20.000 And you can watch it.

00:38:22.000 Little trip down memory lane.

00:38:24.000 Swalwell fart. 0.99

00:38:24.000 Let's see. 0.99

00:38:26.000 Maybe that will show up.

00:38:28.000 Swalwell fart.

00:38:29.000 Oh, here's the video right there.

00:38:31.000 Video went super viral.

00:38:34.000 But it seems like Eric Spalwell just can't escape controversy. 0.97

00:38:38.000 Everywhere this guy goes, controversy follows him, whether it's sharding on air on MSNBC, having sex with a Chinese spy, allegedly raping a woman, or cheating on your wife while she's pregnant with your child. 0.91

00:38:51.000 He probably should have resigned from Congress many years ago. 0.98

00:38:55.000 But hey, you know what they say?

00:38:57.000 What comes around goes around.

00:38:59.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.

00:39:04.000 Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.

00:39:12.000 And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who hurt.

00:39:17.000 Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.

00:39:25.000 And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who hurt.

00:39:30.000 Chris, so far, the evidence.

00:39:34.000 My God.

00:39:36.000 He made a little uncomfortable face, like, you know.

00:39:42.000 Anyone who has ever had a fart come out unplanned knows that look on their face.

00:39:50.000 I don't want to talk about farts on the show tonight, but he definitely farted.

00:39:54.000 I remember when this happened, he pretended like he didn't actually fart live on air, but he did indeed fart live on air.

00:40:04.000 Now, of course, the Democrats are in full meltdown mode.

00:40:08.000 And everybody's denying.

00:40:10.000 Wow, I had no idea.

00:40:11.000 I had no idea.

00:40:12.000 And one U.S. Senator in particular is under fire, his best friend, Ruben Gallego, who is no stranger to his own sex scandals in Congress.

00:40:21.000 Ruben Gallego, of course, is the now senator from the state of Arizona, then a former Democrat congressman, representative from Arizona, who notoriously cheated on his wife while she was nine months pregnant and left her to go marry his lobbyist girlfriend.

00:40:40.000 Now, at that time, Prior to that, Eric Swalwell and Ruben Gallego were reportedly roommates in DC when they were sharing an apartment together, I guess living the bachelor lifestyle and whatnot.

00:40:53.000 But they go way back.

00:40:55.000 And there's a video swirling around online, and you can play the video.

00:41:00.000 One of the videos is of Eric Swalwell having a makeout session on a bed with a sex worker who is not his wife.

00:41:10.000 And in the video, you can clearly see another man.

00:41:14.000 And his ears in the video.

00:41:15.000 Can we go ahead and get this video played, please?

00:41:17.000 Pulled up on the screen this video of Eric Swalwell.

00:41:21.000 And you can see another man's ear in the video.

00:41:24.000 And there's been some people that have done some video analysis side by side showing Ruben Gallego's ears.

00:41:31.000 And many people believe that Ruben Gallego is the man in this video with Eric Swalwell and a sex worker.

00:41:38.000 And one could only assume that it was like, you know, two on one.

00:41:44.000 Maybe more, I don't know. 0.99

00:41:46.000 Seems like he's into some pretty freaky two on one, perhaps even more people in the room having sex with this sex worker. 0.98

00:41:54.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip. 0.75

00:41:56.000 But it's pretty clear that while Eric Swalwell was getting frisky with this woman on the bed and presumably had sex with her, there was another man watching all of this go down, and maybe they engaged in the activity together.

00:42:09.000 I don't know.

00:42:09.000 But let's go ahead and play the clip and you can see for yourself.

00:42:12.000 I think there are a lot of people saying a lot of these people have a lot of time with their families.

00:42:25.000 I mean, again, the man led a double life, and for many, I mean, more than 20 congressmen, people that served with him for a long time, we had no clue.

00:42:35.000 We had no clue.

00:42:35.000 And look, unlike whatever was happening with Jeffrey Epstein, because, like, we, as soon as we knew, we all asked for accountability.

00:42:43.000 And we'll continue to ask for accountability.

00:42:44.000 And, you know, the victims deserve justice.

00:42:56.000 You have a sense of what So, you can definitely see that there's another person there, and somebody else was filming.

00:43:09.000 Looks like more than two men.

00:43:11.000 Because, how was the person who was caught in the video frame watching while Eric Swalwell is making out with this woman?

00:43:19.000 Who's filming all of them, right?

00:43:21.000 Like, how many people were in the room?

00:43:23.000 And are there sex tapes?

00:43:24.000 Like, how many more recordings are there of Eric Swalwell engaged in this type of debaucherous activity with people who are not his wife?

00:43:33.000 So, Regardless, today Eric Swalwell finally resigned from Congress.

00:43:38.000 We have the video of the resignation announcement on the floor.

00:43:42.000 Let's go ahead and play that clip today.

00:43:45.000 His resignation letter was read on the floor of the House, and it's not the end for Eric Swalwell because, well, he is now under investigation.

00:43:59.000 The women who have since come forward and accused him of rape have said that they are looking to file criminal charges against Eric Swalwell, which means he might be facing prison time.

00:44:08.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.

00:44:10.000 The Honorable, the Speaker, House of Representatives, Sir.

00:44:14.000 I am deeply sorry to my family, staff, and constituents for mistakes in judgment I've made in my past.

00:44:20.000 I will fight the serious false allegations made against me.

00:44:24.000 However, I must take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes I did make.

00:44:29.000 I am aware of efforts to bring an immediate expulsion vote against me and other members.

00:44:34.000 Expelling anyone in Congress without due process within days of an allegation being made is wrong.

00:44:40.000 But it's also wrong for my constituents to have me distracted from my duties.

00:44:44.000 Therefore, I plan to resign my seat in Congress effective at 2 p.m. Eastern Time on April 14, 2026.

00:44:51.000 I will work with my staff in the coming days to ensure they are able, in my absence, to serve the needs of the good people of the 14th Congressional District.

00:44:59.000 Signed sincerely, Eric Swalwell. 0.99

00:45:05.000 I mean, this guy's a real pussy. 1.00

00:45:07.000 Imagine the balls it takes to cheat on your pregnant wife, have multiple affairs with women who are not your wife, have sex with a Chinese spy, get compromised by a Chinese spy, lie about having sex with a Chinese spy while you're married to your wife, and then not have the courage to announce your own resignation on the floor. 1.00

00:45:33.000 Eric Swalwell could have easily come to the floor of the house today and announced his resignation. 1.00

00:45:38.000 But he doesn't have the balls, right? 0.99

00:45:40.000 He has the balls to cheat on his wife, humiliate his wife, humiliate his children who are forever going to have to live with the humiliation of what their father has done. 1.00

00:45:48.000 Maybe their father is going to go to prison. 1.00

00:45:51.000 Maybe his children are now going to grow up without a father because if he actually has raped these women, he's going to go to jail for a very long time because there are multiple women who have now accused him of rape. 0.86

00:46:00.000 And look, we've seen rape accusations fall flat on their face before.

00:46:04.000 I'm not saying the women are lying, but if they do have these medical records like they're claiming that they do, To back up their claims, it's not going to go so well for Eric Swalwell.

00:46:18.000 But you know what I'm reminded of when I see people like this?

00:46:22.000 I'm reminded of how much of our taxpayer money goes towards funding their lifestyles, right?

00:46:28.000 Like these people get free health care, they get so many benefits, they get to live the large life, they get to live the high life while they are living on our taxpayer money that is funding.

00:46:39.000 The salaries, not just for themselves, but also the salaries for their staff members.

00:46:44.000 And when you see the activities that these people engage in when they're up on the hill, whether it's allegedly raping their staff, getting drunk at two in the morning with their staff, totally inappropriate, by the way.

00:46:58.000 You really should never go drinking with your colleagues. 1.00

00:47:01.000 It's, in my opinion, very unprofessional if you are married and you are having drinks with members of the opposite sex. 1.00

00:47:07.000 It's one thing if it's a party, but I see this stuff and I'm constantly reminded of initiatives like Doge. 1.00

00:47:14.000 And I'm reminded of a few years ago, you'll recall there was a story that came out about a congressional slush fund, a sexual slush fund.

00:47:22.000 You can actually look this up and see for yourself.

00:47:24.000 But apparently, millions of dollars of our taxpayer money has been put into this slush fund to protect members of Congress and settle with their victims who have been credibly accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment.

00:47:43.000 Our taxpayer money is going to fund this slush fund that members of Congress are using to quietly make their accusers go away.

00:47:51.000 So you can go ahead and pull this up.

00:47:53.000 This was house.gov, June 13th, 2024.

00:47:59.000 An $18.2 million congressional slush fund for Me Too claims.

00:48:03.000 So it says since 1997, the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights has paid out $18.2 million to settle 291 cases of workplace disputes for Congress, Capitol Police, and the architect of the Capitol and the Library of Congress.

00:48:21.000 And this is a Me Too congressional slush fund. 0.60

00:48:25.000 So, how many more members of Congress have sexually assaulted, raped, or sexually harassed people? 0.98

00:48:31.000 And it's been covered up with this slush fund. 0.94

00:48:34.000 18.2 million dollars, and we never get any answers.

00:48:37.000 Like, who is using this money?

00:48:41.000 I think that we have a right as taxpayers to have full access to that slush fund to see whose claims are being paid out.

00:48:50.000 Like, who is touchy feely in the workplace, and why are we paying for that when our taxpayer money should be going to so many better things?

00:48:59.000 Right?

00:49:00.000 Tomorrow's tax day.

00:49:01.000 If you haven't done your taxes, then you're going to need an extension because you are a procrastinator, right?

00:49:07.000 Tomorrow's tax day, but don't worry, you can.

00:49:08.000 File an extension and you could file your taxes on October 15th.

00:49:13.000 But if there's one thing that is just as disturbing to me as members of Congress having sexual Me Too congressional slush funds to pay off their sexual harassment and sexual assault of their staffers who they are exerting power over as authority figures and abusing their positions, and mind you, you know, it takes two to tango.

00:49:35.000 Not everybody is innocent.

00:49:37.000 You could be raped and you could be sexually assaulted and you are a victim, but a lot of people also.

00:49:44.000 Have been known to willingly engage in these sexual escapades with their bosses, knowing that their bosses are married, knowing that they themselves are married and they shouldn't be engaged in this type of activity. 0.96

00:49:55.000 It's super unprofessional to sleep with your boss.

00:49:58.000 I know a lot of people do it.

00:49:59.000 Doesn't mean that it's okay.

00:50:00.000 It doesn't matter if you think it's okay at the end of the day.

00:50:05.000 It's not okay.

00:50:05.000 It's definitely not okay to be a homebreaker.

00:50:07.000 It's not okay to have an affair with your married boss or to have an affair, period, if you are married and you are.

00:50:15.000 Having sexual relations or even emotional relations with people that you work with, right?

00:50:22.000 But what I find equally as disturbing, and maybe even more disturbing than that, is the amount of money that we as American taxpayers are spending every single year on taxpayer funded animal torture or animal abuse.

00:50:36.000 Now, for the last year or so, I've been working with White Coat Waste, which is a nonprofit organization, a bipartisan nonprofit organization that focuses on exposing taxpayer funded animal abuse and how our taxpayer dollars are being used to torture dogs, cats.

00:50:55.000 Monkeys, all types of animals, but they primarily focus on the primates and the dogs and the cats that are within these government funded, taxpayer funded laboratories here in the United States, but also abroad.

00:51:07.000 And we're going to get into some of the stories that we've broken and that White Coat Ways through their investigations have uncovered over the last year, breaking down where your money is going to go. 0.82

00:51:19.000 So you could feel so excited when you put your head on the pillow tonight, knowing that however much money you had taken out of your paycheck or however much money if you're You know, an independent contractor, self employed, that you are going to have to send to the government tomorrow, 0.90

00:51:33.000 you are probably not going to be able to sleep very well tonight, knowing that $20 billion, at least that was the number last year, $20 billion per year of taxpayer money here in the United States is going towards funding abusive and cruel, inhumane tests on animals like dogs and cats and primates.

00:51:55.000 So, joining me now to discuss how.

00:51:59.000 American taxpayer dollars are funding animal torture.

00:52:03.000 Is the senior vice president of White Coat Waste himself, my good friend, Justin Goodman?

00:52:09.000 Justin, thank you so much for joining me tonight.

00:52:11.000 It's a pleasure to have you here on the program.

00:52:13.000 I don't know.

00:52:14.000 What do you think is more disturbing? 0.99

00:52:16.000 A congressional slush fund for members of Congress who don't know how to keep their dick in their pants or $20 billion per year going towards torturing animals? 0.99

00:52:30.000 What should people be more outraged over? 0.98

00:52:33.000 I mean, I think they're both great poster children for waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal government, and how there is so little transparency and accountability about how the money that we're going to pay the government tomorrow is going to be spent, and how there are people in the government, members of Congress, officials at the NIH and other agencies abusing their authority, taking advantage of taxpayers, and also in the case of animal testing, abusing animals in ways that would be criminal if they happened anywhere else,

00:53:01.000 except they're being rewarded with more and more tax money every year.

00:53:06.000 At our expense.

00:53:08.000 And I think that when you cut that check tomorrow, think about how some of that money is going to go to still, even after five years after we've exposed Fauci's Beagle Labs, some of that money is still going to fund Fauci's Beagle Labs because the NIH under RFK has yet to shut them down.

00:53:26.000 Some of that money is going to be wasted on funding transgender animal experiments that President Trump tried to shut down many of them last year, and the NIH has actually restarted some of those and given them more money.

00:53:39.000 Some of that money is going to go to laboratories in China.

00:53:42.000 Even after what happened in Wuhan, the NIH still has over, I think, 16 animal labs in China are still approved to receive NIH funding. 0.88

00:53:52.000 Taxpayer dollars are still approved to go to China after they unleashed a virus on the world that killed 20 million people and caused something like $25 trillion in economic damage and crippled the world economy, killed over a million Americans. 0.88

00:54:07.000 So there is a lot of. 0.90

00:54:10.000 A lot to be upset about, a lot to be disturbed about, aside from the pain that we're going to feel when we cut those checks to the government today, tomorrow, if you get an extension in a few months.

00:54:19.000 There's an immense amount of pain being inflicted on animals at our expense, and the government fights tooth and nail to keep that a secret.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, it's quite shameful.

00:54:29.000 And we really, honestly, have done so much.

00:54:31.000 I was just thinking today in preparation for this Tax Day special, which we did last year as well.

00:54:36.000 And I feel so strongly about this issue that going forward, I really want all of my Tax Day shows, or if, you know, Pre tax day show.

00:54:45.000 In this case, our show last year was on tax day.

00:54:49.000 And this year it's the day before tax day, of course.

00:54:51.000 But it's so egregious.

00:54:53.000 And I think that it's so important for people, especially animal lovers, when you see that over a third of Americans are pet owners.

00:54:59.000 A third of Americans are pet owners.

00:55:01.000 And I don't think that most Americans know that so much money is going towards the federal government for these abusive tests.

00:55:11.000 Last year, the number was $20 billion.

00:55:14.000 What is the most up to date number, Justin, based off your current calculations of how much taxpayer money tomorrow is going to go towards funding these cruel and inhumane animal tests based off of the projected budget for this next fiscal year of 2027?

00:55:34.000 Yeah, so speaking of lack of transparency about how our money is being spent by the government, there's actually no official figures on what the NIH or the FDA or the DOD or any of the agencies are spending on animal testing, but we can make some estimates based on past figures.

00:55:49.000 So, the NIH, for example, it's about a $50 billion a year organization.

00:55:54.000 President Trump tried to cut the budget last year by 40%, which we were very excited about.

00:55:59.000 We're strongly supportive of.

00:56:01.000 Russ Vaught at the OMB proposed a 40% cut to the NIH's bloated budget.

00:56:07.000 $50 billion budget.

00:56:08.000 Congress rejected that.

00:56:10.000 Republicans and Democrats in Congress rejected the budget cuts to the NIH and actually gave them a raise.

00:56:15.000 So they're looking at about a $50 billion budget for fiscal year 2026.

00:56:21.000 And in the past, they've spent about 40% of their budget every year on animal testing, which comes out to a cool $20 billion of taxpayer money being wasted on that animal testing just by the NIH.

00:56:35.000 And then you have over a dozen other agencies that are funding.

00:56:40.000 Animal testing or supporting animal testing or mandating animal testing in some way.

00:56:44.000 So, the FDA, the Department of Defense, the EPA, although we've made enormous progress there, we hopefully will talk about that tonight, the USDA, the National Science Foundation.

00:56:55.000 There are so many different bureaucrats and federal agencies with their fingers in the animal testing pie who are siphoning off billions of our tax dollars every year to torture animals in these wasteful experiments and laboratories around the world.

00:57:10.000 You know, we're so grateful for your support over the last year.

00:57:12.000 You know, the first time I was on the show, as you said, was Tax Day last year.

00:57:15.000 And we have wiped out, made historic progress, wiping out animal testing programs at a lot of different agencies.

00:57:21.000 I'm incredibly proud of the work we've been doing together.

00:57:24.000 It's been profiled by so many different media outlets, celebrating how we've brought people on the left and right together and made this a priority for MAGA, for the Trump administration, and made remarkable historic progress.

00:57:34.000 But unfortunately, there's still a lot of work to do, which is why, you know, for Tax Day this year, we've launched this national ad campaign calling out.

00:57:44.000 The National Institutes of Health and Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for continuing to fund Fauci era laboratories, even though he promised he would cut them.

00:57:53.000 We were promised accountability.

00:57:55.000 We were promised cuts at the NIH.

00:57:57.000 And we haven't seen that materialize yet, despite RFK being in the Secretary of HHS since last February.

00:58:04.000 So it's that 14 months, 15 months he's been there.

00:58:07.000 And they haven't made cuts to animal testing.

00:58:10.000 We've heard a lot of people say that.

00:58:12.000 We'll get that pulled up on the screen.

00:58:14.000 There's an article on my website for those of you who want to read more about this.

00:58:18.000 Regarding this campaign, the WTF RFK campaign, it's their massive nationwide billboard campaign calling out HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:58:30.000 You can see here the photos, you can scroll down.

00:58:40.000 A year now, trying to get accountability.

00:58:42.000 And we're going to play a clip, Justin, from last year's episode when you were on the show and we exposed how, under the NIH and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the director of NIH, they have all these Biden holdovers and Obama holdovers who are still protecting the grants for and even renewing, not just protecting, but also renewing these Fauci era grants that were initiated under the Biden administration to torture eagles.

00:59:10.000 And Before we get into talking about the success of your billboard campaign, which you just launched this week for Tax Week, let's go ahead and play this clip, clip number 16, just to jog everybody's memory.

00:59:25.000 But the story ended up going viral.

00:59:27.000 And I just want to take a moment to really celebrate all of the success that we've had because just the two of us really and working with your organization and your amazing team at White Coat Waste, I think that we've been able to wipe out over $100 million of.

00:59:45.000 Of taxpayer funded animal testing in various agencies across the government.

00:59:49.000 About $100 million.

00:59:51.000 I mean, when you calculate all of the animal testing that we got shut down at the Department of War and at the EPA and at the Navy, it's probably somewhere between $90 and $100 million.

01:00:08.000 Yeah, I think that's probably right.

01:00:09.000 I mean, we've had historic wins, and I really can't overstate.

01:00:14.000 I mean, after we did our investigation with you, we broke the story about the Navy.

01:00:18.000 We had a $10 million grant for those cat constipation experiments where they were forcing marbles up cats' butts and then electroshocking them for constipation experiments.

01:00:28.000 Within a couple of days, essentially overnight, Secretary Hedsef and Navy Secretary John Phelan cut the funding.

01:00:34.000 And then John Phelan did something no one had ever done before Trump's Navy Secretary.

01:00:39.000 Completely banned any funding for testing on dogs and cats across the whole US Navy.

01:00:45.000 That is a government first.

01:00:47.000 No federal agency has ever outright done that.

01:00:50.000 And they did it as a result of an investigation we broke together.

01:00:53.000 And I know you heard from them very quickly.

01:00:55.000 And they said, you know, we're going to take care of this.

01:00:57.000 And within a couple of days, I remember waking up on a Sunday morning and there was a Department of War rapid response tweet up, quote, tweeting you and saying, we've cut this waste, this project's over.

01:01:08.000 So kudos to you for making this a priority for.

01:01:12.000 The Department of War for President Trump.

01:01:14.000 I know you've talked to him about this too.

01:01:16.000 And we've really seen a lot of results at these agencies.

01:01:20.000 And I want to note the agencies where we've seen the most progress are agencies where the Trump administration came in and cleaned house and got rid of holdovers who are addicted to spending, these deep state bureaucrats, like at the NIH, who literally were Fauci's colleagues, huge fans of his, who are still working there and running that organization.

01:01:39.000 And unless you clean house, you're going to have these problems are going to persist.

01:01:42.000 Personnel is policy.

01:01:44.000 So, as long as you have these bad actors in those agencies, put it on a t shirt, put it on a t shirt, put it on a t shirt.

01:01:51.000 No, but you're right.

01:01:52.000 And what's really interesting is that this really falls under the department of HHS, right?

01:01:56.000 When people think about animal testing and they think about laboratories and they think about medical research, which is what they like to call it, falls under the purview of HHS, NIH, and FDA.

01:02:09.000 And what's really interesting is that it's actually these other agencies that have allocated funds for animal testing.

01:02:17.000 Whether it be the US Army, the US Navy, Department of War, Pentagon as a whole, EPA, that have taken the lead on phasing out or completely terminating all of these animal testing contracts and grants.

01:02:32.000 But for some reason, we can't get HHS or NIH or FDA to keep their promises while they continue gaslighting.

01:02:38.000 I want to go ahead and play this clip from OAN highlighting the fact that the Navy ended all of the animal testing or announced the end of dog and cat tests.

01:02:51.000 Testing, excuse me, following this investigation, because, you know, look, White Coat Waste is the leading organization that's doing this.

01:03:00.000 But unfortunately, White Coat Waste isn't the most known organization within the realm of what people like to call, you know, either animal welfare, animal rights, or fighting for the end of animal cruelty.

01:03:18.000 Unfortunately, and we've talked about this extensively when you come on the show.

01:03:22.000 PETA, which is a leftist organization that has continuously attacked the Trump administration, tends to be the first organization that people think of or cite in the mainstream media when they talk about an issue regarding animal testing or whatnot.

01:03:37.000 But what's remarkable is that PETA has a budget of nearly $75 million per year.

01:03:44.000 And with only a fraction of PETA's budget, you've been able to accomplish more than PETA's been able to accomplish in terms of ending animal testing or getting animal testing shut down.

01:03:56.000 The entire existence of PETA. 0.75

01:04:00.000 Listen, I'm very proud of the work that we've been doing over the last decade since I helped launch the campaigns of White Coat Waste.

01:04:06.000 We're lean and mean.

01:04:07.000 We're a fighting machine.

01:04:08.000 We call balls and strikes.

01:04:09.000 We hold the government accountable no matter who's in office.

01:04:13.000 And we believe, you know, we walk the walk and talk the talk.

01:04:17.000 We are against waste.

01:04:18.000 So we run a lean, efficient organization that's laser focused on shutting down government funded animal laboratories.

01:04:24.000 We don't have big gals. 1.00

01:04:25.000 It's incredible.

01:04:26.000 It's incredible that with such a lean budget, what you have been able to accomplish.

01:04:30.000 And it truly is incredible.

01:04:32.000 And it's a testament of.

01:04:33.000 You know, putting your money where your mouth is.

01:04:35.000 You're not just calling out the government for wasting taxpayer money on abusing animals.

01:04:40.000 And you're not just saving lives, save thousands of animals this year from animal testing, not just in your work and exposing and uncovering through your investigations at White Coat Waste and the stories that we've broken, all of this animal torture, but also trying to give these animals who have been tortured their entire lives in taxpayer funded laboratories a better life by partnering with groups like Kindness Ranch and others.

01:05:04.000 That try to transition these animals that have been abused out of these labs where they would otherwise just be euthanized after serving their purpose for testing to try to help them find a happy life.

01:05:16.000 So, I want to go ahead before we get into that.

01:05:18.000 I want to go ahead and play this clip so everybody can see just what incredible work White Coat Waste is doing.

01:05:27.000 What went into this decision to end these horrible tests on cats and dogs?

01:05:32.000 Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show.

01:05:35.000 There are several key people.

01:05:37.000 Who led to this decision?

01:05:40.000 First of all, RFK, Doge, journalist Laura Loomer and her exclusive reporting on this issue, animal advocacy group White Coat Waste, Senator Rand Paul, among others, and of course, President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.

01:05:59.000 As soon as Navy Secretary John Phelan was made aware, he took action.

01:06:04.000 He canceled a $15 million contract that allowed for electroshock therapy.

01:06:11.000 Testing on cats, and he also banned any Navy funded medical research testing on cats and dogs.

01:06:19.000 He ordered the Navy Surgeon General to review all medical research programs to make sure they're aligned with ethical guidelines, scientific necessity, and the Navy's core values of integrity and readiness.

01:06:36.000 Incredible.

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 Absolutely incredible.

01:06:40.000 I mean, you must feel really proud looking back over this last year.

01:06:44.000 Did you think that you would have such a successful year looking back on everything that White Coat Waste has accomplished?

01:06:50.000 I mean, it's been amazing.

01:06:52.000 This is my life's work.

01:06:52.000 I've been doing this for 20 years.

01:06:54.000 And, you know, the dream scenario is getting people at the highest levels of government, you know, not only getting their attention, right?

01:07:01.000 So that's one thing.

01:07:02.000 You know, if you're an advocate for any issue, your dream is to get the people in power who have the authority to do something to pay attention.

01:07:08.000 So not only have we gotten these people to Notice our work, thanks in large part to you and the very loud megaphone you have and the relationships you have in the Trump administration.

01:07:18.000 But we've gotten their attention.

01:07:20.000 We've gotten them to talk about it publicly, like Secretary Phelan, like Secretary Hedge Seth in a Senate hearing.

01:07:27.000 He used that example of the cat constipation experiments that we exposed as egregious Department of War waste that needed to be eliminated.

01:07:35.000 And we've had President Trump obviously talk about our investigations in last year's State of the Union when he discussed eight, you know.

01:07:43.000 The infamous quote of $8 million for transgender mice. 0.70

01:07:47.000 This is real. 0.99

01:07:48.000 And the liars and losers in the mainstream media went nuts saying this is fake news. 0.99

01:07:54.000 And we had the receipts. 0.99

01:07:55.000 Our investigation showed that everything Trump said was true.

01:07:57.000 And not only was it true, the situation was worse than that. 0.69

01:08:00.000 So I went to sleep watching Trump state the union address, criticizing the transgender animal testing that we exposed, funded by the NIH.

01:08:09.000 I woke up the next morning to a Doge tweet with a list of all the projects that we had exposed, saying they'd been cut.

01:08:15.000 And a White House press release crediting White Coat Waste, linking to our investigation.

01:08:21.000 That's the dream, getting the president to notice your issue, say the right thing, and then do the right thing.

01:08:27.000 And this is the first time in history that a president, any president in the United States, has talked about animal testing.

01:08:34.000 And it was because of our work, and it was about our work.

01:08:37.000 And I'm incredibly proud of that.

01:08:39.000 Everyone at White Coat Waste is incredibly proud of that, and incredibly grateful for President Trump for taking swift and decisive action to cut the wasteful spending on animal testing.

01:08:48.000 And we're excited to get to make more progress over the next three years.

01:08:52.000 Well, it's interesting as well because President Trump's the first president ever in US history to also make animal cruelty a felony.

01:08:59.000 So in 2019, he did this during his first term.

01:09:02.000 But it's really interesting what you said.

01:09:03.000 He's the first president to really address and talk about and highlight from a personal level directly, right?

01:09:09.000 Not just staffers or cabinet members, but he himself actually addressing the issue of animal testing, which is why it's so outrageous when we see.

01:09:21.000 NIH and HHS and the FDA still carrying out these cruel and abusive animal tests because ultimately what they're doing is they're sabotaging and they're undermining the effectiveness of the Trump administration.

01:09:33.000 We'll show everybody up on the screen here.

01:09:35.000 You can see from 2019, Trump signs law making cruelty to animals a federal crime.

01:09:40.000 So if cruelty to animals is a federal crime and it's a felony, why do our cabinet members who are overseeing these agencies are issuing out these grants and overseeing these grants?

01:09:52.000 Millions of dollars of taxpayer funds.

01:09:54.000 We're talking actually billions of dollars of taxpayer funds at the end of the day when you add it all up across various agencies.

01:09:59.000 Why are they not being held accountable or charged with animal cruelty themselves?

01:10:06.000 Well, unfortunately, there's legal loopholes in federal law and laws across the state that exempt animal experimentation from the cruelty laws.

01:10:17.000 So, if you burn a dog, obviously in your basement, in your garage, if you're some sicko who burns their dog, you're going to go to jail.

01:10:25.000 If you get caught, you're going to go to jail.

01:10:27.000 And if you do the same thing in a laboratory, the NIH is going to give you millions of dollars and might give you an award for it.

01:10:33.000 I mean, almost every single day, the National Institutes of Health is tweeting.

01:10:39.000 Or posting on X, bragging about some animal experiments that they funded.

01:10:45.000 This has continued to happen throughout the Trump administration, despite Jay Bhattacharya, the NIH director, telling me he was going to end all testing on dogs, cats, and primates and eliminate other animal testing.

01:10:56.000 Despite RFK, who oversees NIH, obviously, as the health secretary, him saying that we're going to see dramatic reductions in NIH animal testing and FDA animal testing, saying we're all aligned on eliminating animal testing.

01:11:10.000 The problem is worse than it's ever been.

01:11:13.000 We've seen lots of empty promises from RFK himself, outright lies from Jay Bhattacharya, where he has said, you know, when you loomered him last year, he said, we're not funding Fauci's animal tests anymore.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, we absolutely are.

01:11:28.000 We have that clip and we'll show that clip as well from when Charles confronted Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

01:11:33.000 Of course, Loomer Unleashed confronted Dr. Jay Bhattacharya when he was about to speak at a conference last year.

01:11:38.000 And we did, we asked him, we asked him, Why he continued to lie and say that they were shutting down the beagle labs and they were ending the animal testing at NIH.

01:11:50.000 The only thing that he told the truth about was, I guess, not having, well, removing the beagles.

01:11:57.000 I guess they didn't add more beagles into this lab, but then we later found out that the beagle lab hadn't actually been fully terminated.

01:12:04.000 And then on top of that, they hadn't ended all animal testing inside NIH headquarters in Bethesda, Maryland, because there is also still a primate lab where they were torturing.

01:12:16.000 Monkeys and these very cool experiments putting tarantulas and all types of spiders in these cages with these monkeys, almost stressing them out to the point where they could have heart attacks so that they could examine their stress responses.

01:12:28.000 I don't see how this benefits humans at all or the scientific value of this, but what people need to understand is these labs aren't just in some faraway place like China.

01:12:38.000 Yes, they are in China, but and they're all around the country, but there's literally animal torture happening inside the office where Dr. J. Bhattacharya goes to work every single day for the most part.

01:12:49.000 So, these mad scientists are literally overseeing and going to work every single day where they could walk down the hall and open the door, and inside that door, and Justin can speak to this, right?

01:13:04.000 He's been involved in this industry a lot longer than I have.

01:13:08.000 But inside their actual headquarter office, these people are torturing animals and then they're lying about it.

01:13:15.000 There's hundreds of thousands of animals still being experimented on at the NIH's own labs in Bethesda, right outside of Washington, D.C., where Jay Bhattacharya's office is.

01:13:26.000 I mean, that's absolutely right.

01:13:28.000 And we've heard repeated claims from him nervously responding to you, saying we're not doing that anymore.

01:13:35.000 They absolutely are, saying we're stopping, no more beagle torture, new policy, we're not any beagle torture.

01:13:40.000 Literally last week, the NIH gave new funding to beagle laboratories for, Cruel and painful testing on dogs.

01:13:48.000 So it hasn't stopped despite his claims, despite them saying, oh, this problem predates us.

01:13:54.000 We're trying to end it.

01:13:54.000 This isn't our problem.

01:13:56.000 And we keep hearing excuses, well, we want to cut the funding, but these liberal judges are forcing us to keep the grants open.

01:14:04.000 They won't let us cut them.

01:14:06.000 Jay Manachaya is a liberal.

01:14:07.000 All these people are liberals.

01:14:08.000 And I hate to say it, but look, Bobby Kennedy is a Democrat.

01:14:11.000 All the people who work in his office were from his campaign.

01:14:14.000 All these people are liberals and Democrats.

01:14:16.000 So they want to blame Democrats.

01:14:17.000 Democrats, while they themselves are Democrats, they're the ones who refuse to fire all the holdovers.

01:14:23.000 We have so many holdovers at NIH, Fauci's people, Obama's people, because they haven't been fired by these Democrats who oversee NIH, FDA, and HHS.

01:14:33.000 I want to go ahead and play this clip just so people can see the reaction from Dr. Jay Bhattacharya when we confronted him in Washington, D.C., when he was walking into a conference where he's supposed to be speaking last year.

01:14:46.000 And we asked him point blank about his claims regarding animal testing and why he was lying.

01:14:54.000 About animal testing.

01:14:58.000 Why are you lying to the American public about ending animal testing, but really you're spending tens of millions of dollars to continue animal testing on dogs, cats, monkeys, and you're continuing Fauci's torture labs?

01:15:09.000 We're not, thank you.

01:15:11.000 Could you provide some information that shows you're not?

01:15:14.000 I'm sorry, I don't know if it's time to talk.

01:15:17.000 I think the American people would like to know, and I think President Trump would like to know too why you're not ending the animal testing, sir.

01:15:33.000 Wait, doctor, are you sure you don't want to answer?

01:15:37.000 No?

01:15:38.000 All right.

01:15:46.000 Now, Justin, I reached out to HHS Secretary Kennedy and I asked him, I asked him, I asked him why, under his watch,

01:15:58.000 NIH directors and people at HHS and people at NIH continue, specifically Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, continue to make excuses for these animal tests when they get exposed, whether it's these abortion experiments on horses or whether it's.

01:16:18.000 You know, these torture experiments on monkeys, stressing them out to the point of them having heart attacks and strokes and keeping them in confined spaces. 0.77

01:16:27.000 Whether it's the torture of kittens by shoving marbles up their ass and electrocuting them or doing this to dogs. 0.89

01:16:34.000 These are real experiments, by the way, for people watching and listening to what I'm talking about, not making this up. 0.98

01:16:39.000 They had actual experiments where they were putting marbles up cats' anuses and electrocuting them and basically paralyzing them to see how.

01:16:48.000 How they could walk and how they could function if they had a marble blocking their butt and just electro hitting them.

01:16:55.000 Again, you have to ask yourself what is the scientific value of this? 0.95

01:16:58.000 And so this has been ongoing, right?

01:17:01.000 A year ago, about a year ago, when we asked and confronted HHS Secretary Kennedy about the transgender experiments that were happening on animals funded by HHS and NIH, he said that it wasn't happening. 0.97

01:17:17.000 Well, we were able to prove that it was happening. 0.88

01:17:21.000 And I want to get your comment on this because I reached out to Bobby Kennedy for a comment.

01:17:29.000 And I had said, It looks like NIH is not denying anything White Coat Waste and I reported about the miscarriage experiments on X race horses. 0.62

01:17:40.000 They are just defending it.

01:17:41.000 I know you care deeply about ending animal testing, but White Coat Waste has been documenting how bad actors at NIH are undermining your efforts by voluntarily giving out millions in new funding for grants approved by Dr. Fauci and for new grants for testing on dogs.

01:17:55.000 Cats and other animals at pharmaceutical companies and universities.

01:18:00.000 Jay Bhattacharya and Nicole Kleinstrauer have repeatedly lied about this to the public too.

01:18:04.000 NIH even recently gave new funds to transgender animal tests after you told me that they had stopped last summer, yet they renewed approval to fund more cruel animal testing labs in China.

01:18:15.000 Why is the NIH still giving new funding for dog and cat tests and when is that going to stop? 0.97

01:18:21.000 You should really speak to White Coat Waste directly about this, in my opinion.

01:18:25.000 They were big supporters of yours and their concerns are legitimate.

01:18:29.000 So that was a correspondence that I had.

01:18:30.000 I reached out to HHS Secretary Kennedy asking him about this because he talks about animal testing in his book.

01:18:37.000 He actually refers to the white coat waste animal testing exposes in his book, in his criticisms of Dr. Fauci, I believe the Beagle Labs that you guys exposed during COVID that went viral.

01:18:51.000 And I got a response.

01:18:54.000 And apparently, Dr. Jay Fadacharya, in response, when Bobby Kennedy reached out, I haven't Share this with you yet.

01:19:03.000 So I'm going to be reading this live on air.

01:19:06.000 And so I want to get your reaction.

01:19:08.000 Apparently, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya said white coat waste is not serious about reducing animal use.

01:19:15.000 Otherwise, they would recognize the work that we've done to introduce alternatives to animal models that will ultimately and effectively reduce animal use without harming human health.

01:19:24.000 Their campaign has led to death threats against me and my staff, which is why I will not respond to white coat waste in public.

01:19:38.000 That is the response from Jay Bhattacharya that I received today. 1.00

01:19:44.000 So that's the response.

01:19:45.000 So when I reached out for a comment and I sent my correspondence, and apparently that's the statement from the NIH director.

01:19:53.000 They will not respond to you and White Coat Waste on the record because, well, they accused me of this too, right?

01:20:01.000 So I know that they're including me in this too because there was a whole article about it where they accused us of inciting violence against them and basically sending wackadoodles after them, which is completely false, actually.

01:20:12.000 Completely false.

01:20:13.000 False.

01:20:13.000 We never once incited violence.

01:20:14.000 But it's your first time hearing that response.

01:20:17.000 And I just wanted to get your reaction live on air.

01:20:20.000 I mean, I don't really know how the NIH director can say that white coat waste is, quote, not serious about reducing animal use.

01:20:29.000 Yeah, we are the most serious.

01:20:31.000 We are the only organization that is demanding that the NIH exercise the authority that they have, that Jay has, and that RFK have to eliminate animal testing overnight.

01:20:41.000 That's what we want.

01:20:43.000 Unfortunately, PETA, who keeps sending Jay flowers and he keeps bragging about it, even though he hasn't cut a single animal test, these big establishment animal groups have been captured by the NIH and they're doing PR for them.

01:20:57.000 You have the Trump administration literally posting press releases from Left wing animal rights groups applauding Jay and RFK for not doing anything, for saying they're going to spend more money on organoids and other technologies without actually committing to reducing animal testing.

01:21:13.000 Right.

01:21:13.000 And, you know, like I will say to his credit, you know, RFK, he could easily just, you know, ignore the correspondence or not reach out.

01:21:21.000 I mean, look, he's reaching out and it sounds like he's, you know, directly copying and pasting the messages and the correspondences over to NIH to get answers.

01:21:30.000 But ultimately, you know, this falls under HHS.

01:21:34.000 And so there has to be.

01:21:36.000 A reckoning at some point in time, if the NIH director continues lying to Secretary Kennedy or continues giving him false information that then gets released to the world by NIH and HHS, somebody eventually has to be fired, right?

01:21:52.000 Like if Jay Bhattacharya is going to continue to defy the orders of the Trump administration and it's going to continue deceiving HHS into believing that animal tests are being reduced and literally lying about these investigations when they get published, when All of the grants are cited and all of the information is released to the public.

01:22:15.000 Eventually, somebody has to leave, right?

01:22:17.000 And so, I think eventually there's going to come a point where Secretary Kennedy is going to have to have this conversation with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and President Trump because the NIH director, as it currently stands, is not implementing the stated goals and the stated wishes of the president, President Trump himself.

01:22:40.000 President Trump's administration.

01:22:41.000 We've seen that NIH has continued to express resistance towards the 40% budget reduction to their agency that was proposed by the Trump administration.

01:22:53.000 And of course, a lot of this money that we're talking about, 40% of their budget, would be used on animal testing.

01:23:00.000 And so you have President Trump, who is committed to ending animal cruelty and has expressed interest because I've had conversations directly with the president about this.

01:23:09.000 And I mean, I know that the president thinks that this is a waste of money.

01:23:13.000 I mean, he.

01:23:14.000 Has said it to me and he's also said it publicly.

01:23:17.000 So I don't really feel like I'm sharing any private information because the president himself openly mocked these experiments during the State of the Union address when he's like, What the hell are we doing with like transgender mice experiments?

01:23:29.000 Right.

01:23:30.000 And then people tried to say that this wasn't real and that it was fake news.

01:23:33.000 But no, in fact, it actually was.

01:23:35.000 And the media went into meltdown mode after the State of the Union address, you'll recall, saying that, Oh, the president made this up.

01:23:41.000 There's no such thing as these transgender mice experiments.

01:23:43.000 When in reality, there were transgender And there still are transgender mice experiments taking place, unfortunately, because NIH doesn't seem to want to cut these grants.

01:23:53.000 And they keep lying and saying that these grants are cut.

01:23:56.000 And that's a big problem if the president is under the impression that these tests have ended when they actually have not ended.

01:24:06.000 That's exactly right.

01:24:07.000 And Jay is basically has been going on Capitol Hill.

01:24:09.000 He's done this a number of times, goes in these budget hearings and promises Democrats and Republicans in Congress on the appropriations committees and other oversight committees.

01:24:20.000 He promises he's going to spend the full budget of the NIH against the wishes of President Trump last year.

01:24:26.000 And the president and OMB just proposed a 10% cut to NIH this year.

01:24:33.000 And I'm sure Jay is going to also promise that he will spend every last penny that Congress gives him and he is not going to hold back any funding.

01:24:40.000 So, not only is he openly defying President Trump and has been for over a year, he took office in April of last year, so just about a year he's been there. 0.94

01:24:50.000 He's renewed funding for transgender animal experiments. 0.81

01:24:53.000 The most recent one we found, they just got money a couple months ago, half a million bucks to the University of California, San Diego, to create 10,000 transgender mice where they're taking female mice, cutting their ovaries out, and injecting them with testosterone to mimic transgender people, humans. 0.75

01:25:13.000 Jay just gave that more money voluntarily.

01:25:16.000 This is what, you know, he doesn't like how the public's responding.

01:25:19.000 He doesn't like how white coat waste is responding. 0.57

01:25:21.000 This is what accountability looks like. 0.99

01:25:23.000 You want to be in the big chair?

01:25:24.000 There's accountability.

01:25:25.000 People are going to demand accountability.

01:25:27.000 They're going to demand answers.

01:25:28.000 They're going to demand action.

01:25:30.000 Jake personally promised me to my face one year ago that he would cut all testing, all funding for testing on dogs, cats, and primates.

01:25:37.000 I met with him after he was confirmed.

01:25:38.000 He was a big supporter of ours.

01:25:40.000 I met with him.

01:25:41.000 He said, we're going to cut all that testing.

01:25:43.000 Didn't happen.

01:25:44.000 Obviously, he's continued to dole out tens of millions of dollars, over $126 million.

01:25:49.000 That's the real reason.

01:25:50.000 In the last year.

01:25:51.000 That's the real reason why he doesn't want to meet.

01:25:53.000 So, again, I had not published that statement before.

01:25:57.000 I just received it a couple hours ago.

01:25:59.000 I wanted to save it for while we were live on air.

01:26:03.000 But it's quite ridiculous to say that white coat waste doesn't actually care about reducing animal use when if it weren't for white coat waste and if it weren't for me amplifying the investigations of white coat waste and helping share this information.

01:26:20.000 There would be thousands of more animals that would be dead this year, and they would have died over the last year, too, from these abusive animal tests.

01:26:28.000 Because we, as I said before, have been able through these investigations at White Coat Waste to be able to shut down nearly $100 million of animal testing, which is more than Jay Bhattacharya will ever be able to say that he's done as it pertains to reducing animal use.

01:26:45.000 So, isn't that the very definition of caring about?

01:26:50.000 Eliminating the use of animals for these experiments.

01:26:53.000 If you are ending or eliminating funding for $100 million of multi agency tests and getting agency heads to openly ban continued testing on these animals, isn't that the very definition of caring about?

01:27:10.000 And again, I'll look at his exact wording, but not serious about reducing animal use.

01:27:18.000 Isn't that the exact definition of reducing animal use?

01:27:21.000 Our demand.

01:27:22.000 Our demand is that he cut all funding for animal testing yesterday, not wait 10 years and gamble with animals' lives on some technologies that probably won't come to fruition and not save a single animal, which is what he's all he's saying he's going to do is spend more money.

01:27:38.000 He's not committing to cut any money.

01:27:40.000 He's saying, I'm going to spend more money on some new technologies that might not never save a single animal with literally no commitment to actually reducing animal use. 0.56

01:27:50.000 So, Waiko waste is the reason this is an issue for the Trump administration, for MAGA and MAHA.

01:27:56.000 Our Wuhan lab investigation, when we first exposed Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab in 2020, and then Beagle Gate in 2021, Fauci's Beagle Testing, which Jay has continued to fund voluntarily, continued to give those experiments more money.

01:28:09.000 This is the reason why this is on the agenda.

01:28:11.000 And you can look back at Jay's social media, at Bobby Kennedy's social media, any Trump administration official's social media.

01:28:19.000 When did they start talking about animal testing?

01:28:22.000 When is the first time that any of these people, Marty McCarrie at FDA, the first time any of them ever spoke about or commented about animal testing on their socials?

01:28:31.000 It was White Coat Waste investigations of Wuhan and Beaglegate. 0.81

01:28:34.000 It wasn't any stupid stunt PETA pulled or organs on a chip or some other nonsense that Jay's interested in.

01:28:41.000 It was our investigations, and we've been demanding since day one that they cut all the funding, and we're going to hold them accountable to doing that. 0.85

01:28:48.000 So, to say that we're not serious, he's the one who's not serious about reducing animal testing.

01:28:52.000 Because if he was, if you actually care and you're sitting in that role and you have the authority to literally tomorrow say we're not going to fund this stuff anymore, he has the authority to do that.

01:29:02.000 Bobby Kennedy promised that when RFK was running for president, he said he was going to come in and cut overnight.

01:29:10.000 He said he had the authority to, and he was going to come in and cut funding overnight for NIH grants.

01:29:16.000 Now you have Jay saying, oh, I can't.

01:29:18.000 The courts tied my hands, and these are pre existing projects.

01:29:21.000 And on top of that, he's giving out brand new grants.

01:29:24.000 And guess what?

01:29:25.000 Not only is Jay the problem, if you look on the NIH's roster of senior leaders, the five people, most senior people at NIH right below Jay, all Obama holdovers.

01:29:36.000 All Fauci era Obama and Biden holdovers, including people who hate Trump, posted lots of anti Trump stuff, love Fauci, and you have people who are not.

01:29:47.000 And including people who participated in illegal cane of function research, which has since been outlawed by the Trump administration.

01:29:54.000 So, why are people who participated in gain of function and still have expressed a desire to continue gain of function in violation of a Trump executive order that literally got 1.2 million Americans murdered?

01:30:07.000 I'm talking about the gain of function research with the COVID virus, of course, the bioweapon, whatever you want to call it, that killed millions of people worldwide, including 1.2 million Americans that nobody has any accountability for, that Dr. Fowler himself was.

01:30:25.000 Literally pardoned for.

01:30:26.000 So, why are these mad? 0.98

01:30:28.000 We call them mad scientists because they are literally mad scientists. 0.98

01:30:31.000 I mean, digging up dead bodies, doing experiments on dead bodies, the stuff that these officials are doing when you look under the hood, it's disgusting.

01:30:43.000 And for people who need a little bit of a refresher, we can go ahead and play clip number 16 from when you were on my show a year ago when we were exposing these Beagle torture investigations.

01:30:53.000 And then we should just go ahead also and play.

01:30:58.000 Some of these news clips from when these Fauci era beagle experiments were exposed during Beagle Gate at the height of COVID, so that everybody can be reminded because a lot of people have seen these experiments and they've seen the story and they've seen the horrific reports about beagles having their heads put inside containers, eaten alive by flies, and the terrible experiments that you guys exposed, but they don't know that it was actually done by white coat waste.

01:31:28.000 We'll go ahead and play this clip from a year ago just to remind people of how Dr. Jay Bottaracharia has continued funding these very cruel Fauci Beagle and trans mice experiments.

01:31:41.000 And then let's go ahead and play some of those news clips.

01:31:45.000 So it's not just the transgender mice experiment that they decided to renew, but also they decided to renew the abuse of beagles in laboratories. 0.80

01:31:56.000 You can scroll down. 0.79

01:31:57.000 We'll go through the article just so that you can see what is happening.

01:32:00.000 It's an abomination that this is already happening.

01:32:03.000 Under the Trump administration, after we were told that things like this were going to end, here are photographs that have been obtained by the White Coast Waste Project of these experiments where they put these beagles inside these tents and they release flies so that the dogs, without any type of pain medicine, can have their entire faces eaten alive by these flies, right?

01:32:26.000 And we were told that this was inhumane and that these projects were going to be defunded under the new Trump administration.

01:32:33.000 Well, you can scroll down.

01:32:42.000 In advance of White Coast Waste interview with Loomer Unleashed, Loomer broke a new White Coast Waste investigation exposing how the Biden Harris National Institute of Health paid billionaire Moderna co founder Robert Langer's new biotech company to torture beagles to test an experimental weight loss drug.

01:32:57.000 The $322,000 grant was given to Langer's company in September of 2024, and it's still being funded until August 2025 under the new Trump administration.

01:33:06.000 We talked about that extensively last week here on Loomer Unleashed.

01:33:10.000 They could easily rescind the funding and end this immediately, given the fact that Donald Trump Is president and he has a new NIH director.

01:33:18.000 And as I said, it begs the question why is the Trump NIH still paying this Trump hating mRNA pioneer and vaccine billionaire to abuse dogs?

01:33:26.000 And the question also remains why are they still conducting animal abuse experiments in laboratories funded by the NIH here in the United States and abroad, including in the very own NIH headquarter office where Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the NIH director, works himself every single day or at least every single week when he reports to work as the NIH director?

01:33:47.000 You can scroll down.

01:33:52.000 Trump's NIH headquarters, where the new Trump appointed NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, is headquartered, still houses a lab, right?

01:34:00.000 As I say this now to you live on air under the Trump administration, to this day, right, we were promised this was going to end.

01:34:07.000 They still have a lab that has been torturing beagles in deadly septic shock experiments for a quarter century and they plan to continue their abusive animals on taxpayer dime.

01:34:17.000 White Coast Waste uncovered that NIH and the Pentagon are currently paying a laboratory in China to abuse.

01:34:24.000 300 beagles per week in drug tests.

01:34:26.000 So, again, I'm going to personally reach out to Pete Hegseth about this because I can't imagine that Pete Hegseth would be okay with this.

01:34:35.000 And I wonder if he's even aware of this.

01:34:37.000 And Dr. Bhattacharya, I know, is aware of this.

01:34:40.000 And he keeps on saying things like, oh, yeah, I really like the work that White Coat Waste does.

01:34:46.000 But the question is, if Dr. J. Bhattacharya is aware of this, why is he allowing for this to continue?

01:34:52.000 So, we need to start getting more aggressive on Dr. J. Bhattacharya because he's essentially sanctioning.

01:34:57.000 He's allowing for animal abuse.

01:34:59.000 They're allowing for, and we're currently paying in this joint partnership with the NIH and the Pentagon paying a laboratory in China where my dear Mecca, my dog that I rescued from a Chinese meat market, they are so barbaric to animals in China.

01:35:13.000 They eat them, they eat animals. 0.62

01:35:15.000 Like my dog is probably no more than 10 pounds, sometimes nine pounds.

01:35:20.000 And they were trying to eat her. 1.00

01:35:21.000 And mind you, she was emaciated when I adopted her. 1.00

01:35:23.000 She was seven pounds, which is a lot for a dog that size to be that emaciated.

01:35:28.000 So, They treat animals horribly there, and our own government is paying for this.

01:35:33.000 And we discussed the previous work that they did on the last episode of Loomer Unleashed, but now it's been brought to my attention that they are now, even to this day, under the current Trump administration, renewing and still paying for these torture experiments on beagles.

01:35:50.000 One year later, and we're here.

01:35:53.000 One year later, and we're still here talking about the same thing.

01:35:57.000 But you know what?

01:35:58.000 Pete Hedgeseth took immediate action and cut their grants as soon as you exposed them.

01:36:03.000 You know what Jay did?

01:36:04.000 He gave them more money.

01:36:05.000 There is a lab in Missouri right now that Fauci initiated that has four different NIH grants that Jay has given more money and extended, where they're doing a variation on that the infamous sandfly experiment where they're buying 400 beagles, they shave their fur off, and they put capsules full of.

01:36:22.000 Mutant ticks directly on their skin.

01:36:25.000 Hundreds of ticks are jammed into these capsules and put on beagles' bare skin to feed on them.

01:36:31.000 And the beagles are intentionally denied pain relief.

01:36:35.000 And we have records from the NIH proving this.

01:36:38.000 Jay could shut down that overnight.

01:36:40.000 He didn't. 1.00

01:36:40.000 Jay is a fraud and a liar. 1.00

01:36:42.000 He lied to you. 1.00

01:36:43.000 He lied.

01:36:44.000 He did a podcast with the Hoover Institute in October.

01:36:47.000 He said, Beagle torture, new policy.

01:36:48.000 Beagle torture is over.

01:36:49.000 Jay continued funding beagle torture as recently as this month. 1.00

01:36:53.000 So he's a fraud and a liar. 0.77

01:36:55.000 And he's been elevating bad actors in that agency who obviously don't share the interests of President Trump and the administration in cutting waste, fraud, and abuse at the NIH. 0.94

01:37:05.000 When I first met with Jay, and I've actually never talked about this, when I first met with Jay after his confirmation, he told me that he wanted to go and have dinner with NIH Director Francis Collins, who is Fauci's boss and who helped cover up the Wuhan lab leak and probably broke federal laws doing it.

01:37:25.000 Jay's first instinct when he got the job as NIH director was to reach out and make friends with this guy, not hold him accountable, not clean house at the NIH.

01:37:35.000 Jay wants to break bread with these NIH bureaucrats, not break windows and reform that place.

01:37:41.000 And it's embarrassing and it's shameful.

01:37:43.000 It's not what the president wants.

01:37:45.000 It's not what OMB wants.

01:37:47.000 It's not what the American people want. 0.94

01:37:48.000 And we're holding Jay accountable and aggressively holding him accountable because he is a shameless liar who's repeatedly told the press, who's repeatedly told you, told me.

01:37:58.000 That he wasn't funding things or he's going to stop funding things. 0.51

01:38:01.000 He's told Bobby Kennedy.

01:38:03.000 He continues to lie to his colleagues.

01:38:05.000 And he's clearly lying to the president.

01:38:08.000 He's lying to the budget office as well.

01:38:14.000 I mean, everybody, the people who are trying to cut waste, fraud, and abuse and trying to clean up our government and lying to Russ Vogt staff, lying to everybody, really.

01:38:25.000 And the question is why do we have people overseeing agencies in the Trump administration?

01:38:31.000 Specifically, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who wants to, like you said, break bread with these radical left Obama Biden era holdovers who have no problem torturing animals on taxpayer dime and then, of course, lying about it.

01:38:47.000 This brings us a year later to our billboard campaign, WTF RFK, and a new website we launched, mahabatrade.org, where we want people to hold RFK accountable for letting this happen because at the end of the day, Jay works for him, the buck stops with RFK.

01:39:03.000 Maybe RFK wants to see these things done, and he's entrusted Jay and other people at NIH to get the job done.

01:39:10.000 And I am so grateful for you for making sure that RFK knows that this isn't happening and that the problem's actually getting worse, not better.

01:39:18.000 And the public is being gaslit into thinking that Jay is cutting animal tests.

01:39:23.000 Well, and his own supporters are feeling betrayed.

01:39:25.000 Like there's so much outrage in the Maha movement lately, and RFK Jr. was really the leader of that.

01:39:31.000 Let's go ahead and get that website up on the screen here, Maha Betrayed, because.

01:39:36.000 you know look he he has he he talked about how he wanted to work in the trump administration And that he wanted to accomplish all these goals and these promises that he made to the Maha movement.

01:39:50.000 But ultimately, now you see all these reports, and there's been mainstream media articles about it as well over the last few weeks about how Maha feels betrayed.

01:39:58.000 Let's go ahead and repeat the site for those who are watching right now.

01:40:03.000 This is mahabetrayed.org.

01:40:05.000 And if you go there, it allows you to automatically send an email to RFK's office, to the NIH, to Trump, the White House, and your members of Congress all at once, demanding that RFK take action to cut Fauci's.

01:40:18.000 Beagle labs and other animal tests.

01:40:20.000 And that's what our billboard campaign across the country right now, in seven different cities, including Washington, D.C., has billboards with that art right there with different species for different cities, calling out RFK for.

01:40:33.000 Again, this is not even the new stuff Jay has funded.

01:40:36.000 This is calling out RFK, allowing Jay to renew funding for projects that Fauci literally approved himself when he was at the NIH until 2022.

01:40:46.000 Fauci admitted that he personally signed off on these projects.

01:40:50.000 These should have been the first thing to go.

01:40:52.000 One of our top demands for the Trump administration last year was ending all of Fauci's animal labs, wiping Fauci's fingerprints off the NIH.

01:41:01.000 And instead, Jay Bhattacharya under RFK has elevated Fauci's friends, COVID cover up henchmen, and other bad actors and allowed them to continue funding these projects.

01:41:14.000 So it's, you know, again, we've given RFK a year.

01:41:19.000 Here's a good snapshot of how they're responding to this.

01:41:22.000 A few weeks ago, and I know you posted about this.

01:41:25.000 I testified in Congress in a Senate Small Business Committee hearing chaired by our friend Senator Joni Ernst, who's been a great advocate.

01:41:32.000 She actually helped us shut down some Fauci Beagle testing during the Biden administration.

01:41:36.000 And I testified about how, when our supporters called RFK's office angry about renewed funding for Fauci Beagle tests, this is the beginning of March this happened.

01:41:48.000 Not only did HHS stop answering the phone, but they changed the voicemail message when you called RFK's office.

01:41:55.000 To instead say thank you for calling Domino's Pizza.

01:41:58.000 So they pulled this childish prank to confuse and mock taxpayers who are simply asking the agency to uphold their promise and the Trump administration's pledge to hold Fauci accountable.

01:42:10.000 And what do they do?

01:42:11.000 Instead, they make fun of and mock and confuse and troll the very taxpayers who are paying their salaries. 0.97

01:42:18.000 It's disgusting.

01:42:19.000 And you had people like, it's embarrassing.

01:42:21.000 And then you have people like Gavin Newsom, left, you know, oppressed across the political spectrum, you know, calling out HHS.

01:42:30.000 It's just like an embarrassing stunt.

01:42:31.000 And it shows they're not taking this seriously.

01:42:34.000 They're not taking taxpayers' concerns seriously.

01:42:36.000 And I don't really think they have any interest in following through on these promises that are made because unfortunately, you have groups like PETA who are giving them cover.

01:42:44.000 In the press and the grassroots animal movement saying RFK and Jay Bhattacharya are saving animals, they're ending animal testing when they haven't done that.

01:42:53.000 They've done nothing to indicate that is going to happen.

01:42:57.000 So they're getting conflicting messages. 0.97

01:42:58.000 And unfortunately, also, right wing influencers are so desperate to defend the administration, no matter who it is, that they're running with every stupid press release that HHS puts out about spending more money. 0.98

01:43:11.000 Just spending more money. 0.99

01:43:12.000 It's not even committing to saving animals.

01:43:13.000 When I text you these at like two in the morning, I'm like, oh my God, why?

01:43:18.000 But that's so true.

01:43:19.000 They recycle it.

01:43:20.000 Anytime that they get some heat, they recycle these press releases.

01:43:24.000 And then it's really just recycle talking points from the lies that they spewed several months ago.

01:43:29.000 And when I say they, I'm talking about HHS and NIH lying about ending animal abuse.

01:43:36.000 That story that you told about the Domino's Hotline, pretending to have a Domino's Hotline when they were contacted about ending animal abuse, is real.

01:43:46.000 And this is what you testified under oath.

01:43:48.000 I mean, you take an oath, you can't perjure yourself.

01:43:51.000 I mean, you would, you know, You take an oath when you testify in front of Congress that you're only going to tell the truth because lying to Congress is a crime.

01:43:58.000 And so here's a video of your testimony.

01:44:01.000 I encourage everybody to watch this and to start demanding answers from HHS.

01:44:05.000 And again, ultimately, the buck stops with RFK Jr.

01:44:08.000 And while I'm grateful that he responded to my inquiry and is reaching out to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, he's got to eventually start speaking out and addressing why Jay Bhattacharya is just completely lying to the public and why.

01:44:23.000 Staff at HHS are behaving in this manner.

01:44:26.000 Like, what are we?

01:44:27.000 Are we in middle school playing ding dong ditch?

01:44:31.000 Are we little, you know, elementary school students having sleepovers and taking out the phone book and prank calling people like we all used to do when we were kids?

01:44:39.000 Like, this is literally childish behavior.

01:44:41.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.

01:44:43.000 More recently, using the same transparency tools, we uncovered that wasteful SBIR spending on dog testing is widespread.

01:44:50.000 We identified at least $86 million in SBIR funding awarded by the Trump NIH to drug companies for other unnecessary testing on dogs.

01:45:00.000 Unfortunately, it is impossible to pinpoint the total amount because of disclosure deficiencies on federal databases, as the GAO has documented.

01:45:09.000 Still, we've shown that in these SBIR funded tests, puppies as young as three weeks old are being injected with and force fed experimental drugs.

01:45:17.000 Some are even injected with fentanyl, cocaine, and have their skulls drilled into.

01:45:22.000 Tens of millions in SBIR funding continues to be wasted on dog tests, even though the FDA has stated, quote, it does not mandate that human drugs be studied on dogs, end quote.

01:45:32.000 And FDA Commissioner Marty McCary has stated, quote, why are we testing every single drug on dogs, usually beagles?

01:45:38.000 It's sad and it's unnecessary, end quote.

01:45:41.000 This wasteful SBIR funded dog testing persists even though Senators Paul, Booker, and Schiff enacted a law in 2022 removing the FDA's outdated animal testing mandate.

01:45:52.000 White coat waste investigations have also exposed Trump NIH officials' numerous false claims that they stopped funding beagle testing and have prompted bipartisan congressional calls for action.

01:46:04.000 Taxpayers are so upset about the NIH's deception, they're flooding Secretary Kennedy's phone lines.

01:46:10.000 Instead of thoughtfully responding to public concerns about NIH funded beagle abuse, yesterday HHS defiantly changed one of its phone messages to play a recording saying, Thank you for calling Domino's Pizza.

01:46:24.000 End quote, before sending taxpayers to voicemail.

01:46:27.000 Torturing puppies with our tax dollars isn't funny, but people at HHS apparently think it is.

01:46:36.000 Did anybody reach out to you from HHS after your testimony to explain why they changed their phone recording to say, thanks for calling Domino's Pizza?

01:46:48.000 They didn't reach out to us, but that story went viral.

01:46:52.000 There's also a video of me playing the actual recording that.

01:46:55.000 Because so basically, the way I found out about this is we had people calling HHS for a few days about this.

01:47:00.000 And then one of my staffers said, Are you sure we're giving out the right phone number?

01:47:03.000 Because about the continued beagle testing.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, for the beagle testing and cat testing.

01:47:09.000 And so one of my staffers, my colleagues, messaged me and said, Hey, are you sure we're giving out the right phone number?

01:47:16.000 And I said, What are you talking about?

01:47:17.000 And they said, We're getting emails from people saying when you call this number, it goes to a Domino's line.

01:47:23.000 So I called it myself.

01:47:24.000 I got the message.

01:47:25.000 I recorded the message.

01:47:27.000 And Then I, a couple days later, I was, well, it was a day later I was in the hearing, so I discussed it.

01:47:32.000 And after the hearing, I played her for Senator Joni Ernst, and she was appalled.

01:47:36.000 There's a video of her hearing it for the first time and saying it made her sick to her stomach to hear how these government employees were behaving when they were getting called by taxpayers.

01:47:45.000 But ultimately, that story went viral.

01:47:47.000 We have that video.

01:47:48.000 I want to go ahead and get that video.

01:47:50.000 Where can we see that video?

01:47:51.000 Did you publish it?

01:47:52.000 That video, yeah, that's on our X feed.

01:47:56.000 If you go to the media tab on there, you'll find me, a video of me.

01:48:00.000 How long ago did you post the video so we can play?

01:48:02.000 We're going to find it right now.

01:48:03.000 We're going to look on your X feed right now by Cutways.

01:48:06.000 Thank you.

01:48:06.000 And you'll be scrolling so people will get it.

01:48:06.000 Okay, cool.

01:48:08.000 No, people should hear this.

01:48:10.000 People should have to listen.

01:48:10.000 Keep going down.

01:48:12.000 Keep going down.

01:48:12.000 I'll flag it.

01:48:13.000 I see her with the cell phone. 0.98

01:48:13.000 Oh, right there. 0.98

01:48:14.000 There you go.

01:48:15.000 That's it.

01:48:16.000 Is it this one where she's wearing her pin?

01:48:18.000 Yep.

01:48:18.000 Okay.

01:48:18.000 This one?

01:48:19.000 Yep.

01:48:22.000 All right, we're going to get it queued up.

01:48:24.000 So, HHS never responded to me, but they responded to the press because people started calling them about it and they said some rogue staffer did it.

01:48:24.000 Okay.

01:48:33.000 They didn't say they fired this person, held them accountable in any way.

01:48:36.000 They just said a rogue staffer did it and that was it.

01:48:38.000 That's an easy way to blame, you know, blame it on somebody without having any accountability, though.

01:48:43.000 Were they fired?

01:48:44.000 Like, who are they?

01:48:44.000 They should, I mean, that could be a crime in many ways.

01:48:47.000 I mean, taxpayer funds being used to divert taxpayers and also just.

01:48:53.000 Constituents in general, uh, to some kind of prank line.

01:48:57.000 I mean, there has to be some kind of ethics violation, uh, and being in, um, in that.

01:49:01.000 But I don't expect anybody to be held accountable at HHS for anything at this point, because if you're not holding people accountable for torturing beagles, then you probably don't really care about someone, um, you know, pranking the American public at that point.

01:49:14.000 So they're just completely, they're completely unserious about ending animal testing, uh, And that's evidence of it.

01:49:23.000 So it's rich for Jay Bhattacharya to say that White Coat Waste is not serious about ending animal testing.

01:49:28.000 Well, we're demanding it be ended now. 0.92

01:49:30.000 And meanwhile, his team is sending people to a Domino's Pizza line because they don't want to answer any more questions about it because they're getting constantly barraged with phone calls and emails of people who are pissed off about this and rightfully so.

01:49:42.000 Because Jay repeatedly promised this would end, personally to me on all these podcasts.

01:49:47.000 Jay's former friends who he's now betrayed and disappointed, many of us call him.

01:49:53.000 Podcast J.

01:49:54.000 And there's news stories about this.

01:49:55.000 How everyone calls him jokingly Podcast J because he does nothing except podcasts.

01:50:00.000 He does podcasts.

01:50:02.000 Kennedy just launched a podcast.

01:50:03.000 So maybe he'll have you on the show like I'm having you on the show and he can address this stuff on his podcast.

01:50:09.000 I mean, look, I don't know how government officials have time to have a podcast.

01:50:12.000 I don't even have time to pee in peace.

01:50:14.000 Like, I was literally talking to a friend of mine today.

01:50:16.000 I'm like, I got to pee.

01:50:18.000 Like, I'm sorry.

01:50:19.000 I got to pee.

01:50:20.000 I'm going to have to put you on mute.

01:50:22.000 Like, I don't even have shame in it.

01:50:24.000 I work so much and I'm breaking so many stories every single day and doing so many investigations.

01:50:30.000 I literally use the bathroom and put my phone on mute.

01:50:33.000 Like, I'm not the only person who does it.

01:50:35.000 So, I have no shame.

01:50:36.000 So, all I'm saying is that if I can't even use the bathroom in peace without having to put my phone on mute when I'm, you know, doing work and trying to also like use the bathroom, if I have to stand over my kitchen and literally like shovel food into my mouth from a pot because I'm taking conference calls and then muting my phone so that I can like.

01:50:58.000 Take some food and like not pass out from working so much every single day.

01:51:02.000 Why is it that lawmakers have time to do a podcast?

01:51:05.000 I mean, if I was working in the government, I probably wouldn't have my show anymore, right?

01:51:08.000 I do my show, but obviously my show is a late night show, right?

01:51:13.000 I mean, it's almost 11 p.m. Eastern right now, and most people are in bed and getting ready for tomorrow.

01:51:19.000 They're not actually like halfway through their podcast.

01:51:22.000 So, where do these people have time, Justin?

01:51:25.000 Where do they have time, do you think, to do all these podcasts and go on all these shows and launch?

01:51:30.000 Launch these podcasts when there's so much unfinished business in this administration.

01:51:34.000 Well, it's because they're not spending time doing what they're supposed to do and what taxpayers sent them there to do, which is this administration cut waste, fraud, and abuse, stop torturing beagles, let animals out of labs, find them good homes like we've been pushing them to do.

01:51:48.000 I don't think taxpayers should be funding vanity projects for public officials.

01:51:52.000 And that's what these podcasts are it's to build your profile.

01:51:55.000 So when you're not in the government anymore, you'll have a career doing a podcast or being a talking head on Fox or some other television channel.

01:52:02.000 It's just another misuse of taxpayer funds that shows incredibly bad judgment.

01:52:08.000 It's abuse of authority.

01:52:10.000 Maybe even a way to prime for a future political run for office, right?

01:52:15.000 Yeah.

01:52:16.000 I mean, it's anything but working for taxpayers is what having a podcast is.

01:52:21.000 People want results.

01:52:22.000 They don't want a podcast.

01:52:23.000 They don't want you talking, you know, bragging about all the things you're not actually doing on a podcast.

01:52:29.000 They want you in an office, putting in the work and getting things done for taxpayers because that's what people voted for. 0.99

01:52:34.000 They didn't vote for more goddamn podcasts. 0.98

01:52:36.000 That's no one wants podcasts. 0.98

01:52:38.000 No, if you're so true, we should run a poll on this do you want people who run.

01:52:43.000 $50 billion federal agencies.

01:52:46.000 I shouldn't even say this because it's my show.

01:52:48.000 So I feel really guilty saying this, but you know, sometimes I'm like, I probably shouldn't say this, right?

01:52:57.000 Because look, I love my show at the end of the day, but there's sometimes where I'm like, I don't even want to do my show because look, it's a lot of time to prep for a show and I like the show and I use it as a way to distribute the content and to also, you know, highlight stories like this and to hold people accountable.

01:53:13.000 But sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I need to work, I need to work, I need to work.

01:53:16.000 And there's times when I'm literally hopping in the shower and like throwing my hair in a ponytail an hour before my show, like trying to do my makeup super fast.

01:53:25.000 I'm just giving people, you know, some insight into how I get ready because I'm so focused on doing my work and getting results, right?

01:53:32.000 So I'm not sitting in a hair and makeup chair for hours on end, like some of these talking heads trying to, you know, get all glammed up for the show.

01:53:41.000 Like I agree with you in that I try to use as much time as Possible throughout my day to do as much work as possible.

01:53:47.000 And then I do my show.

01:53:49.000 And of course, I love my show.

01:53:50.000 I love my viewers.

01:53:52.000 And I love being able to have my platform to talk about issues like this.

01:53:56.000 But I don't know if I was actually working inside the administration, I would have so much anxiety about like everything that I needed to get done, but didn't get done if I still needed things to get done.

01:54:07.000 Like I'm a very results oriented, goal driven person.

01:54:13.000 And if I had made a promise to somebody, And I had not made good on that promise one year later, I would be going crazy trying to get that promise.

01:54:21.000 I mean, this is, yeah, I mean, that's the problem.

01:54:24.000 But that's why I'm not in the admin, right?

01:54:26.000 Because they don't, I don't know.

01:54:29.000 Seems like a lot of people who are, I'm not saying that there's not results driven people, but, you know, they're, no, I mean, I've been.

01:54:36.000 Personnel is policy, right?

01:54:38.000 So that's another conversation for another time, but everybody knows my gripes with the hiring and the admin.

01:54:46.000 Of course, you're the safety vetting.

01:54:48.000 I'll save my rants for another day.

01:54:51.000 But yeah, but no, I don't.

01:54:53.000 Yeah, I don't want Jay doing podcasts.

01:54:54.000 I want Jay reviewing lists of grants and saying, yeah, this is what I promised to do.

01:54:59.000 And I'm going to keep my promise to the American people.

01:55:01.000 This is not personal for me.

01:55:02.000 It doesn't, I don't care that he lied to me.

01:55:04.000 I care that he's not doing what he went, what he was sent there to do for the American public, for animals, to hold Fauci accountable.

01:55:11.000 That was the whole platform of the Maha movement holding Fauci accountable, COVID accountability.

01:55:18.000 And meanwhile, here's in terms of vetting, literally the person who they got to replace Fauci as the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Fauci's own division, literally the person they picked is a guy who wrote papers to cover up the lab leak, circulated letters, sign on letters, asking scientists to reinstate the Wuhan grant that we exposed and President Trump cut.

01:55:44.000 So he covered up lab, wrote scientific papers saying the lab leak was a hoax.

01:55:49.000 He tried to reinstate the Wuhan, the Fauci's Wuhan lab grant that we exposed and Trump cut on TV during COVID.

01:55:58.000 And he's the guy who was involved in digging up a dead body to harvest the 1918 flu and then bring it back to life and gain a function animal experiments, which was entirely reckless and purposeless, other than if you want to unleash a deadly virus on the world.

01:56:14.000 Again, this is the person that Jay, with RFK's blessing, because he's the boss, appointed to take Fauci's role at NIH, at NIAID. 0.54

01:56:28.000 Under in the Trump administration, someone who should have been fired on day one literally got Fauci's job.

01:56:34.000 Another story, another story that we had him on his podcast.

01:56:38.000 Jay had him on his podcast celebrating him as some great scientist.

01:56:42.000 He does panels with him, sitting next to him, saying, Oh, this is a great man.

01:56:45.000 I'm so happy to have him on my team, asking his opinion on things.

01:56:49.000 These people showed such incredibly bad judgment, were involved in the greatest, the greatest instant of biomedical malpractice in history that killed 20 million people.

01:57:01.000 Including 1.2 million Americans.

01:57:03.000 We've given jobs.

01:57:04.000 1.2 million Americans, 20 million people around the world.

01:57:07.000 Those are just people that have died.

01:57:08.000 Like, we're not even, we don't even know how many people have died as a result of that.

01:57:11.000 Like, yeah, 1.2 million from COVID, they say, but we already know that the hospitals were manipulating the deaths and they were lying about certain things.

01:57:21.000 And also, people were trying to pad the numbers as well to show the efficacy of a vaccine that really wasn't even a vaccine.

01:57:30.000 And there's a lot of medical fraud that took place, not just to cover up the The actual death toll.

01:57:38.000 But now, right, like you could argue that the death toll is much higher because how many people are getting turbo cancers and all kinds of diseases and all kinds of ailments and heart conditions, myocarditis.

01:57:50.000 I mean, you name it, right?

01:57:51.000 Like you see these videos of people dropping dead, they call it dying suddenly.

01:57:56.000 Well, how many people have just died suddenly?

01:57:59.000 Healthy, beautiful, young 21 year old girl, you know, just on the soccer field playing soccer one day, drops dead, has a heart attack.

01:58:08.000 Oh, well, she took the vaccine three weeks earlier, right?

01:58:11.000 Or there's so many stories that way healthy, vibrant family, you know, father took the vaccine, mother took the vaccine.

01:58:19.000 There was a story about this not too long ago where this couple took the vaccine and like two months later, the woman got diagnosed with brain cancer and then the husband got diagnosed with lung cancer and they had just had a child together.

01:58:30.000 And so, Here they were as like newlyweds and new parents, and then they're both dying from terminal cancer.

01:58:36.000 That doesn't happen, right?

01:58:37.000 Like, clearly, right?

01:58:39.000 It's just we're getting into a COVID rant here, but people who were involved in this are still working in the Trump administration, and it's criminal.

01:58:51.000 It's absolutely criminal that people who we were told were going to be held accountable, we were told that when Fauci got a pardon, that President Trump was going to rescind it because it was done with an auto pen.

01:59:02.000 Well, if Fauci's a criminal who needed to be pardoned, doesn't that mean that everybody who worked underneath him and conspired with him, they were essentially collaborators?

01:59:12.000 I mean, if you were to use a term to describe what they did, they were actual active collaborators and they're whistleblowers.

01:59:21.000 There's one doctor I know, a guy by the name of Dr. Paul Alexander, who told me that he was working with the COVID response team during the first Trump administration and said that he was literally threatened with having his career ruined and having himself blackballed.

01:59:35.000 By people at NIH, if he had actually talked to the president about studies that they were seeing internally regarding masks not being effective and actually causing ailments for school aged children.

01:59:48.000 So, not only did they commit malpractice, these people who are still working at NIH under the Trump administration under Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who he's praising, but they actively lied to the president in an effort to sabotage the 2020 election, which in many ways was able to be stolen as a result of.

02:00:09.000 All the gain of function research and the way that this bioweapon was unleashed, and you had lockdowns and people unable to go out and vote in person.

02:00:16.000 They had to vote by mail, which resulted in all the mail and ballot fraud.

02:00:20.000 So, really, not only were they collaborators in the greatest act of medical malpractice in US history or maybe even global history, Justin, but they are collaborators in the theft of the 2020 election.

02:00:34.000 And I know that you are not in a position to take partisan views with your organization, and you guys are bipartisan.

02:00:41.000 But I'm saying this.

02:00:42.000 I personally think that if we're doing criminal investigations into election fraud and voter fraud, and the Trump administration is pursuing charges against people who were allegedly involved in the stolen election of 2020, shouldn't they be going after people at NIH who helped participate in some of this research that led to the lockdown, that led to the mail and ballot fraud to begin with?

02:01:06.000 And actively helped Fauci cover it up.

02:01:09.000 Yeah.

02:01:10.000 And there's a paper trail.

02:01:11.000 It's not a secret.

02:01:13.000 And the records and evidence were there before Trump was elected and came into office.

02:01:18.000 And these people were still elevated and promoted into leadership positions and given more power under Jay Bhattacharya.

02:01:25.000 And he's defended them against attacks from people like us, from you.

02:01:29.000 Well, he says we're violent.

02:01:31.000 He lies.

02:01:31.000 He says, he tells Kennedy, goes, let me pull this message up again.

02:01:37.000 Their campaign has led to death threats against me and my staff, which is why I won't respond to them in public.

02:01:42.000 That's not true at all.

02:01:43.000 Welcome to the big leagues, baby.

02:01:45.000 Welcome to the big leagues.

02:01:47.000 I get death threats every day.

02:01:49.000 I get death threats every day.

02:01:50.000 Could you imagine if I just hid under my desk and said, I'm not going to talk to anybody anymore?

02:01:54.000 Because, oh my God, I get death threats.

02:01:56.000 I literally have to shell out thousands of dollars.

02:01:59.000 I mean, like, it's an insane amount of money that I've had to spend over the last year just in increased security costs because of.

02:02:07.000 Death threats, like credible death threats.

02:02:09.000 People have literally been arrested over the last year for plotting to murder me.

02:02:13.000 People have been arrested, and I've had FBI, Florida state troopers, Florida FTLE officers, all types of law enforcement agencies telling me that there are credible threats against my life.

02:02:26.000 And these people are torturing animals.

02:02:28.000 Like the audacity of somebody that is overseeing the torture and abuse of innocent animals that can't speak, that can't scream, that can't say, I don't consent, right?

02:02:39.000 That can't say, my life is in danger.

02:02:42.000 The audacity of somebody like that to cry about so called death threats.

02:02:46.000 First of all, we publicly asked him to show evidence that these death threats were real.

02:02:50.000 I haven't seen any evidence.

02:02:51.000 I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that these death threats that he claims he's getting are real. 1.00

02:02:55.000 I think he's full of shit. 0.99

02:02:56.000 Well, first of all, they didn't come from us. 1.00

02:02:58.000 They didn't come from us.

02:03:00.000 And people are angry.

02:03:02.000 And the thing that people are angry about, he has the authority to do something about and said he would.

02:03:06.000 People are angry because he lied and broke promises.

02:03:09.000 That's what people are upset about.

02:03:11.000 Now, I don't contone the death threat.

02:03:12.000 I don't condone the death threats.

02:03:13.000 Obviously, White Coat Waste has never made death threats against anyone.

02:03:16.000 We don't ask people to make death threats, but people are upset.

02:03:19.000 People get emotional.

02:03:21.000 I don't know what threats they're talking about, but I see that's, you know, go on social media.

02:03:25.000 There's all kinds of threats that people make all day long against everybody.

02:03:30.000 And listen, I'm not justifying death threats at all.

02:03:35.000 But if you're going to work in a cabinet or a presidential administration, violence is never acceptable, right?

02:03:40.000 I want to make that clear.

02:03:41.000 I'm not justifying it, but.

02:03:43.000 Like, boo hoo, right?

02:03:44.000 Like, so many people, every single cabinet member gets death threats.

02:03:47.000 Welcome to the big leagues.

02:03:48.000 If you don't want to deal with the consequences of serving in a presidential administration, then, I don't know, like, resign, go start your podcast full time, or go sit at home and get more flowers delivered from PETA.

02:04:04.000 Just kind of bizarre to me.

02:04:05.000 Yeah, I mean, it's an excuse.

02:04:11.000 This has been the theme with Jay for a year there's constant excuses.

02:04:18.000 He never takes accountability for anything.

02:04:21.000 The people he listens to are people who don't want to do what the administration wants to do.

02:04:26.000 They don't want to do what Russell and OMB want them to do in terms of cutting spending.

02:04:30.000 Russ uses examples of our investigations when he does interviews about.

02:04:34.000 Wazeful spending at the NIH and why the budget needs to be got cocaine experiments on dogs and other things that we've exposed.

02:04:40.000 We're all on the same page that this is not how taxpayer dollars should be spent.

02:04:44.000 Obviously, the president is supportive of this.

02:04:48.000 Jay is out of step with the rest of the administration, and RFK is letting him get away with it.

02:04:52.000 And that's why our attention has now been focused on RFK because he can do something about it.

02:04:59.000 If he's serious, if he means what he's said to you over the last year about taking this issue seriously, Then he needs to clean house at the NIH, number one.

02:05:07.000 He needs to get rid of Jay, sure.

02:05:10.000 He needs to get rid of people like Nicole Kleinstreuer, who's a Fauci fanatic and Trump hater, people like Jeff Taubenberger, Fauci's replacement, who's a crazy COVID cover up henchman who dug up, you know, was involved in digging up a dead body to harvest a deadly virus and do gain of function experiments with animals.

02:05:30.000 The entire senior leadership of the NIH is people who clearly don't share.

02:05:35.000 The president's vision for what this agency should be and what voters asked for, and it would be very easy for them to clean house.

02:05:42.000 There, we've been saying this for a year that these people are undermining the president's agenda, and we see it at every turn.

02:05:50.000 We see Jay just a few weeks ago was in front of Congress promising them he's going to spend every last penny of the budget that is 40 percent larger than the budget the president wanted him to.

02:05:59.000 He's not trying to save any money, he's trying to spend it all, and he's proud of that.

02:06:04.000 And then you have Democrats and Republicans on these congressional committees applauding him for that, saying thank you so much.

02:06:10.000 You know, Russ Vogt and President Trump don't know what they're talking about.

02:06:14.000 We're so happy to hear that you're going to spend all the money that we're giving you.

02:06:18.000 And it's just, it's shameful.

02:06:20.000 It's shameful.

02:06:21.000 And, you know, what's the worst part of this is that at the end of the day, yeah, taxpayers are paying the price, literally paying the price.

02:06:29.000 But animals' lives are, this comes at the expense of millions and millions of animals' lives and, you know, thousands of beagles and kittens and monkeys.

02:06:38.000 And we have some of those clips from this last week from our campaign.

02:06:41.000 Our, uh, Our pre tax day campaign, the countdown to tax day, to get people interested in this, to show people what has been happening.

02:06:50.000 And immediately after the show tonight, I'm going to be posting another example of this.

02:06:56.000 So stay tuned after my show tonight.

02:06:58.000 I'll be making today's post so that you can see.

02:07:00.000 I wanted to wait till the show was over today so that you could, you know, wait in anticipation to see just more examples of these abusive experiments.

02:07:11.000 But two of these experiments that we've highlighted and exposed over the last week and In this countdown, Justin, there are some beagle experiments happening at the Penn Dog Lab.

02:07:25.000 Again, more funding from NIH.

02:07:26.000 Let's go ahead and play clip number 18, and then you can explain to people what they're watching in this video.

02:07:44.000 Century with NIH funding, and Jay just gave more money to those laboratories.

02:08:00.000 K and J Bhattacharya just received the funding for that laboratory.

02:08:03.000 We just watched, sorry, I think you were talking over while we were airing the clip.

02:08:07.000 So we just watched that clip, no worries.

02:08:11.000 And of course, people just saw that clip of dogs, it appears dogs stumbling around, unable to stand up, falling, not having proper muscle support, skeletal support, because, well, those functions in their body are being targeted by these experiments.

02:08:32.000 Go ahead and explain what we just watched in this video, when the grants were issued, and who is responsible for continuing these experiments, and what their so called purpose of essentially paralyzing dogs and watching them stumble around until they die is.

02:08:49.000 What is the scientific purpose of this?

02:08:51.000 Like, what are they trying to discover?

02:08:53.000 What is it that they said they need our taxpayer money for?

02:08:56.000 Mind you, all of the stuff that we've shown you tonight on this program to people who are watching, and if you're watching, please be sure that you're reposting this live link.

02:09:04.000 We are live right now on Rumble and X. Everybody needs to see this in anticipation for tomorrow, tax day, when you're going to be writing checks to the government so they can continue funding all of this.

02:09:15.000 But it's important for people to understand what the purpose is of these experiments because really there is no purpose.

02:09:22.000 But I'll let you explain.

02:09:24.000 So, that was a laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania that has been funded continuously for, I think, close to half a century by the NIH with millions of dollars every year.

02:09:36.000 It has several different NIH grants that fund that exact project.

02:09:39.000 And what they do there is they breed terriers, beagles, other types of dogs to suffer from crippling genetic disorders and skeletal disorders where their bones break, they don't have muscle control, they can't stand.

02:09:55.000 And then these animals die at a very young age, just naturally because they're so deformed.

02:10:02.000 And then they test experimental treatments for these disorders on them.

02:10:06.000 And Jay Bhattacharya and Nicole Kleinstroyer, who's kind of the animal testing czar.

02:10:12.000 At the NIH, they had an opportunity to cut the funding for that project.

02:10:18.000 And instead of cutting the funding, they actually renewed the funding on April 1st.

02:10:23.000 It was not an April Fool's joke, unfortunately.

02:10:26.000 It was real.

02:10:27.000 They gave hundreds of thousands of dollars more to those horrendous dog experiments, those exact experiments you just saw in that video happening at the University of Pennsylvania.

02:10:37.000 They chose voluntarily to renew the funding and keep that laboratory open and keep that funding going instead of shutting it down.

02:10:48.000 And what's the purpose?

02:10:51.000 How does studying crippling genetic skeletal disorders that you said break the bones of dogs and they essentially just suffer in pain till they die?

02:11:04.000 What is the scientific benefit of this?

02:11:06.000 Like, what exactly are we gaining?

02:11:09.000 The skeletal structures of dogs are not like the skeletal structures of humans.

02:11:13.000 So, what is the purpose, right?

02:11:16.000 What do these mad scientists say the purpose of this experiment is?

02:11:20.000 Well, unfortunately, the only ones who benefit from these experiments are the people getting paid to do it and lining their pockets with our tax dollars.

02:11:28.000 They're constantly making excuses and abusing their authority and fear mongering to the public that if we just cripple enough dogs and kill enough dogs, we're going to have a cure for X disease or Y disease.

02:11:39.000 And we know that over 90% of the research that the NIH funds is wasteful.

02:11:46.000 It's not translating to humans, it's not providing any benefits for public health and the American people.

02:11:52.000 It is just making mad scientists rich.

02:11:54.000 And allowing them to build careers on torturing beagles and kittens and other animals.

02:12:00.000 And unfortunately, under the current administration, Jay Bhattacharya has the power, has the authority to do something about that, stop the cycle of abuse and waste, and shut these programs down.

02:12:13.000 And instead, he's choosing, and the people under him, who are all holdovers from the previous administration, are choosing to continue these programs, continuing this disgusting animal abuse at taxpayer expense.

02:12:27.000 Instead of shutting these laboratories down and adopting the animals out to loving homes for the many thousands of people who would love to give a home to some of these animals who've been abused.

02:12:37.000 And it's, yeah, it's horrendous.

02:12:39.000 I mean, we exposed that laboratory two years ago before the Trump administration.

02:12:43.000 And that was one of our top priorities.

02:12:45.000 They're continuing the funding.

02:12:47.000 Yeah.

02:12:48.000 They've just given it new funding, another year of funding.

02:12:53.000 Terrible.

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:55.000 Let's go ahead and play clip number 19.

02:12:57.000 I'm going to play it and then.

02:12:59.000 I'll cut back to you.

02:13:00.000 So just wait until the clip plays, about 32 seconds or so.

02:13:04.000 And then I'm going to get your reaction and, again, have you explain to the viewers what they're watching.

02:13:42.000 Do you see a cat stumbling, unable to stand, appears to be shaking?

02:13:48.000 If you look close enough in the video, seems to be very disoriented.

02:13:52.000 What did we just watch in that video?

02:13:55.000 That's another NIH funded laboratory.

02:13:57.000 That one's at Auburn University.

02:14:00.000 And it's actually not unlike the UPenn lab.

02:14:02.000 Obviously, this one's using cats where they breed them to have genetic disorders where they're disfigured, they can't walk, they die early deaths before the age of one.

02:14:11.000 Most of those cats die.

02:14:13.000 Because they're bred to be so sick and deformed.

02:14:16.000 And that's actually at Auburn University's veterinary college, where they claim to be trying to develop treatments for pets.

02:14:24.000 And they do that by literally breeding these cats, hundreds and hundreds of these cats, to be sick and deformed and die at an early age.

02:14:33.000 And that's another project that's been continuously funded by the NIH for decades that the NIH has continued to fund.

02:14:40.000 And again, let me just remind you that a year ago, after his confirmation, Jay told me that.

02:14:45.000 All the funding for dog and cat testing was going to be cut.

02:14:49.000 In a podcast in July, Jay and the so called animal testing czar, Nicole Kleinstor here at NIH, said, All the funding for dog and cat testing predates us.

02:15:01.000 This is atrocious, and we're working tirelessly to end it.

02:15:05.000 That was in July.

02:15:06.000 And all we've seen since then repeatedly is that Fauci era projects, ones like the ones you just saw, have been extended so they can keep going and given new taxpayer money so they can keep going.

02:15:20.000 With no end in sight, no commitment to phase them out, no nothing.

02:15:25.000 And when you have your supporters or the American people or taxpayers contact NIH and contact HHS to address this and question them and call them out, you're met with Domino's Pizza ringtone saying thank you for calling Domino's Pizza.

02:15:41.000 I want to go ahead and play that audio, that video clip of you with Senator Joni Ernst that we discussed earlier, because after watching these abusive.

02:15:52.000 Videos of these animals stumbling and suffering and unable to stand on their own while they're being filmed and videotaped by these mad scientists.

02:16:02.000 I feel like this voicemail hits a lot harder and should enrage people.

02:16:07.000 Like you should feel enraged that you're cutting a check to the IRS tomorrow and that over $20 billion of your taxpayer money is going to conduct experiments just as brutal, if not even more brutal, than the ones you just watched moments ago.

02:16:22.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.

02:16:24.000 No, that's fine.

02:16:25.000 I'm interested.

02:16:26.000 Yeah, I almost played it, but it was taking up too much time.

02:16:31.000 Okay, here we go.

02:16:37.000 I'm just going to get right to the message.

02:16:40.000 This is that same number yesterday.

02:16:42.000 Okay.

02:16:43.000 Thanks for calling Domino's Pizza.

02:16:46.000 Can you please hold?

02:16:47.000 Thank you.

02:16:49.000 No.

02:16:51.000 Yeah, that was up yesterday.

02:16:53.000 That's not okay.

02:16:54.000 I'll text it to her.

02:16:55.000 Yes, please do.

02:16:56.000 That's not okay.

02:16:57.000 Yeah, I know.

02:16:59.000 Actually, it makes my stomach dry.

02:17:01.000 So, all right.

02:17:02.000 Thank you.

02:17:03.000 Thank you. 0.91

02:17:10.000 Really disgusting. 0.97

02:17:11.000 People need to be fired over this. 0.98

02:17:15.000 NIH thinks this is a joke.

02:17:17.000 They don't take it seriously.

02:17:18.000 They've been blowing off members of Congress.

02:17:21.000 Members of Congress have been writing them letters demanding that they end Fauci funding for dog and cat testing, asking them for timelines for these phase outs and for when they're actually going to keep these promises that they made.

02:17:32.000 They just blow the deadlines.

02:17:33.000 RFK just doesn't respond to the letters.

02:17:35.000 Jay Bhattacharya sends some form letter that is just meaningless, blather, non committal, blame, you know.

02:17:42.000 Obviously, you're getting responses where they're just defensive.

02:17:46.000 They don't actually address any of the substance of what we're saying.

02:17:50.000 They just make excuses and bring up irrelevant things like people are being mean to them.

02:17:58.000 So that's why, you know, again, we're itching.

02:18:00.000 People are being mean to me while I abuse animals.

02:18:02.000 Like, yeah, of course.

02:18:03.000 Look, I'm not inciting violence and I'm not condoning violence.

02:18:07.000 However, I will say that if you are abusing animals, you do not deserve to be treated with respect. 0.99

02:18:12.000 I'm not saying that you deserve to be killed. 0.58

02:18:14.000 I'm not saying that you deserve to have violence committed against you. 0.95

02:18:16.000 But treat others how you want to be treated.

02:18:19.000 And, you know, it's one thing to get in a verbal altercation with another human being.

02:18:23.000 And it's another thing to physically abuse and torture an innocent animal that has no idea what's going on.

02:18:29.000 They have no idea where they are.

02:18:31.000 These animals have never run outside.

02:18:32.000 In fact, they actually don't even let these animals outside.

02:18:35.000 A lot of people don't know, but these lab animals are stuck in cages.

02:18:39.000 They're not allowed to go outside.

02:18:40.000 They have little rooms that they spray down with a hose and some disinfectant every single day when the animals use the bathroom.

02:18:47.000 And that's it.

02:18:48.000 These animals have never gone outside before.

02:18:50.000 In fact, there are videos of your interactions with these beagles after you've rescued them and partnered them with Kindness Ranch, whose organization we've, of course, talked about and had their representative on Lumor Unleashed last year to talk about rescuing these beagles from these laboratories.

02:19:11.000 But when these dogs get rescued, they are scared to touch grass because they've never been outside before.

02:19:16.000 They're scared to leave their.

02:19:18.000 Kennels and crates because they don't know what life is like.

02:19:21.000 How sad!

02:19:22.000 How sad to be a dog and to never go outside, to stay in a crate and piss on yourself every day and be power hosed down with just water, no soap, no nothing, nobody caring about you, nobody petting you, nobody feeding you, nobody giving you treats, nobody cuddling with you, just torturing you until you either die or they euthanize you.

02:19:44.000 That's the life of these animals.

02:19:46.000 It is so horrific, and I don't want my taxpayer money paying for this.

02:19:50.000 I just don't.

02:19:51.000 No, and most people agree with you, and that's why HHS is getting so many angry phone calls.

02:19:56.000 And instead of doing the right thing and being responsive to the concerns of voters and taxpayers, we have HHS pranking and mocking the public, defying the president, and sentencing pets to horrific torture and slaughter at our expense.

02:20:21.000 We don't want this.

02:20:22.000 We don't like it.

02:20:22.000 We don't need it.

02:20:23.000 And yet, we're continuing to be forced to pay for it.

02:20:27.000 So, we have our campaign, we have mahabetrade.org set up.

02:20:30.000 Anyone can go there, fill it out, just put in your personal contact information.

02:20:34.000 It's going to fire off letters to all your representatives, to the Trump administration, to RFK's office, letting them know you want this stuff defunded.

02:20:41.000 And actually, RFK is testifying twice on Thursday on Capitol Hill to defend his budget for 2027.

02:20:52.000 And we are going to have our billboard truck outside of those hearings.

02:20:57.000 Our WTF RFK billboard is still there.

02:20:59.000 You said that they haven't been transparent about how much money in their funding is actually going to animal testing.

02:21:05.000 Do you have any idea when he defends his budget in front of Congress this week?

02:21:11.000 Which day?

02:21:12.000 Did you say Thursday?

02:21:13.000 Thursday.

02:21:14.000 So when he's out there defending his budget, have you seen how much is going to be allocated for animal testing or is that not available?

02:21:23.000 That's not available.

02:21:24.000 That's not available.

02:21:25.000 But the Trump administration has obviously proposed a 10% budget cut for the NIH in 2027.

02:21:35.000 Congress will undoubtedly give them a raise instead.

02:21:40.000 That's what happened last year.

02:21:41.000 And you have very prominent Republicans in the Senate and the House appropriations committees going on basically a PR tour right now saying how they want to give NIH a big raise.

02:21:53.000 And the reason this happens is because this money is going to be a big raise.

02:21:56.000 And some names, some of these Republicans.

02:21:57.000 Let's name names.

02:21:58.000 We like to name names here.

02:21:59.000 Which Republicans?

02:22:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:00.000 I just saw a video of Senator Dave McCormick from Pennsylvania talking about how he wants to give the NIH a big raise.

02:22:07.000 We need to spend more money on biomedical research.

02:22:11.000 And he's, you know, Susan Collins.

02:22:14.000 A lot of these members are, you know, and the reason why this, you know, when we think about who the stakeholders are here, is pharmaceutical companies get hundreds of millions of dollars from the NIH every year for testing on dogs and other types of RD.

02:22:27.000 So if taxpayers are funding, like we gave, we exposed that Moderna, the The Moderna Tide example last year, taxpayers are footing the bill for hundreds of millions of dollars in RD for private pharmaceutical companies that are going to then patent drugs and sell them to the public at a profit and then get tax breaks for the advertising so they don't even have to pay for that.

02:22:51.000 Taxpayers are footing the bill for the whole RD process and the ads, and then we have to pay again for the drugs if and when they come to market.

02:22:58.000 So that's still happening.

02:22:59.000 The NIH actually just put up a tweet.

02:23:02.000 That I responded to right before I came on the show saying that they've made $1.4 billion available to pharmaceutical companies for covering their RD expenses.

02:23:13.000 And we have receipts on receipts showing that many of those grants are going to fund the Beagle testing by those pharmaceutical companies.

02:23:20.000 So they're a stakeholder here who fights for the NIH budget to go up.

02:23:24.000 You also have colleges and universities across the country.

02:23:28.000 Every state, every city, big and small, has a college and university that's getting some slice of the NIH pie.

02:23:34.000 So, all these members of Congress are going and fighting tooth and nail to increase the money to bring into their district for this research funding at their college and universities, 40% of which goes to animal testing.

02:23:45.000 And college and universities get a big cut off the top just for administrative slush funds.

02:23:50.000 And Trump tried to cut those slush funds down to a very minimal level.

02:23:57.000 And they actually got taken to court, and the court ruled against them.

02:24:00.000 So, we're being forced to fund administrative slush funds at college and universities on top of the animal testing.

02:24:06.000 That we're funding there on top of the animal testing that we're paying pharmaceutical companies to do.

02:24:10.000 It's just that's who we're up against.

02:24:13.000 And of course, all of these people are donating to members of Congress, and then the members of Congress do their bidding when it comes time to figure out the spending bills.

02:24:23.000 So that's how the sausage is made this has nothing to do with saving lives or improving public health.

02:24:31.000 The NIH budget is bigger than it's ever been, and life expectancy and public health is not any better than it was before the NIH budget ballooned.

02:24:39.000 So it's a horrible return on investment for taxpayers.

02:24:42.000 Millions of animals are being tortured, and Jay Bhattacharya is defending this system.

02:24:49.000 Yeah, we have a link to highlighting all of the NIH leadership.

02:24:53.000 So if people are interested in who these mad scientists are and they're interested in learning more about them, you can go to the NIH website, nih.govslash about dash nihslash organization and their leadership page.

02:25:05.000 We can actually get that pulled up.

02:25:07.000 People can see, so you can learn all about these people yourself and do some research.

02:25:11.000 I mean, it doesn't take a rock scientist to do this type of research.

02:25:14.000 And you can see that these, a lot of these people, that's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who we've been talking about tonight, NIH director.

02:25:20.000 You can see all of these officials who they have working there at NIH who are tied to the Obama administration who worked with Fauci.

02:25:29.000 Go ahead.

02:25:31.000 Matthew Memley worked for Fauci at Fauci's division.

02:25:36.000 Everyone on this list here was someone who is from a Biden administration holdover, Obama administration holdover.

02:25:44.000 She's actually the deputy director.

02:25:46.000 She's not acting anymore, but she is the animal testing czar, close friend of PETA.

02:25:51.000 She's now deleted her ex account.

02:25:53.000 But had lots of, as you've published the receipts for this, had lots of anti Trump posts, pro Fauci posts.

02:26:01.000 Those are all gone now.

02:26:02.000 Fortunately, we've saved them.

02:26:03.000 And she said that she's not going to cut animal testing overnight.

02:26:06.000 And animal testing is very valuable.

02:26:08.000 And she's a good friend of the animal rights organizations and PETA.

02:26:13.000 She's criticized us, and the animal rights groups have criticized us for being too aggressive in our demands for animal testing to be cut.

02:26:22.000 You know, they want to just invest more money in these unproven technologies.

02:26:25.000 Animals can't wait.

02:26:27.000 Animals are suffering in labs now.

02:26:28.000 They can't wait 10 years for the animals to be able to survive.

02:26:31.000 Animals are dying every single day in these laboratories.

02:26:34.000 And this is our chance.

02:26:35.000 This is a moment in time where we have an administration that actually wants to do good at the NIH and clean that place up and save taxpayer dollars, save animals, improve public health.

02:26:45.000 This moment is going to pass.

02:26:47.000 So that is why we have to take advantage of it.

02:26:50.000 We're trying to catch lightning in a bottle here.

02:26:53.000 And we've spent the last five years since, well, the last 10 years since the first Trump administration.

02:27:01.000 Building the campaign, building the public support, building the support in MAGA and MAHA and across the political spectrum for this to happen.

02:27:08.000 And we need people in the NIH and HHS who are going to execute, not people who are just interested in podcasting and window dressing and not actually making the dramatic reforms we need at this agency to save animals, improve people's lives, save tax dollars, cut waste, fraud, and abuse, hold Fauci accountable.

02:27:27.000 There's like so many good reasons to clean up the NIH that everyone would benefit from.

02:27:32.000 And it's simply not happening because the people in charge over there don't want to do that.

02:27:36.000 They want business as usual.

02:27:38.000 They want to keep funding their friends' animal laboratories.

02:27:42.000 They want to keep the labs at the NIH headquarters open.

02:27:45.000 They don't want change.

02:27:46.000 They don't want to lose their jobs.

02:27:48.000 These are the people who need to go.

02:27:50.000 These should be the first people to go the entire senior leadership of the NIH.

02:27:55.000 Anything is going to be better than this.

02:27:57.000 Absolutely.

02:27:58.000 I want to take a couple questions from the audience before we close out.

02:28:02.000 So be sure you post in the chat.

02:28:03.000 Let's go to the chat.

02:28:04.000 If you have any questions, For Justin or White Coat Waste, and you're interested in what you can do, put your questions and comments in the chat.

02:28:12.000 We'll take a few before we close out tonight.

02:28:16.000 And then let's scroll up.

02:28:17.000 Let's see if anybody's asked any questions yet.

02:28:19.000 And then we'll show some of these photos, some of these great photos that you've taken from the billboard campaign.

02:28:24.000 And hey, who knows?

02:28:25.000 If you're in Washington, D.C. on Thursday and you're outside of the Capitol and you catch the billboard, be sure that you send it to the Loomer Tip Line or DM me on X and we'll be sure to post photos if you are out and about in D.C. and you see the White Coat Waste billboard trucks.

02:28:41.000 Let's see. 0.94

02:28:44.000 One person said, every politician not ending this shit needs to have a forensic audit of their bank accounts and the bank accounts of everyone in their sphere of influence. 0.99

02:28:53.000 Yeah, because really, honestly, like if you're not interested as a politician in ending this abuse of animals, you're clearly on the take from Big Pharma. 0.99

02:29:02.000 You're clearly on the take because why else would you want this to continue?

02:29:07.000 There's no scientific benefit from animal testing.

02:29:10.000 People used to argue that we needed animal testing for the sake of developing cures for medicine, developing medicine and developing cures for disease, excuse me.

02:29:18.000 But science has shown us, and this is your specialty, so you can speak to this a lot more than I can.

02:29:26.000 But I have seen reports that show that the AI models are so sophisticated these days that AI models are a greater predictor and indicator of how certain diseases affect the human body than torturing an animal and watching an animal and trying to hypothesize.

02:29:51.000 How, right?

02:29:52.000 How an animal that has no relation and no, I guess there's really, unless you're studying primates, of course, which even then it's debatable, but they like to say, oh, well, primates, you know, they have so much in common with humans.

02:30:04.000 You can't really determine how a human is going to react to any type of medication or any type of medical cure in these biomedical research experiments that are taking place, Justin, because there's no comparison.

02:30:20.000 There's no comparison between a mouse and a human body, there's no comparison between a dog and a human.

02:30:25.000 There's no comparison.

02:30:28.000 So, my question is why isn't there more dependence on these AI models and these scientific models that are greater indicators?

02:30:41.000 Because you said it yourself, and studies have shown over and over again, every single year, these studies show that animal testing and harming all these innocent animals isn't actually leading to advances in.

02:30:56.000 Maybe that's why we don't have a cure for cancer.

02:30:58.000 Maybe that's why we are so far behind and why we don't have cures for these diseases because they're busy testing everything on animals that have no relation to the human body whatsoever.

02:31:09.000 I mean, I think about that a lot.

02:31:11.000 I think about how you said some of these labs have been open for over 50 years.

02:31:14.000 And it's like, well, how crazy do you have to be to keep killing animals and torturing animals with the same experiments for 50 years in a row if you're not getting any results?

02:31:27.000 Animal testing is bad science, but big business.

02:31:31.000 It doesn't work.

02:31:32.000 There's no comparison.

02:31:33.000 Logically, and maybe you can explain this what's the logic behind conducting a test or an experiment on a dog or a cat or a monkey and thinking that it's going to replicate itself in the body of a human?

02:31:48.000 What is the science behind this?

02:31:50.000 Is there science?

02:31:52.000 No, this started thousands of years ago when people didn't know anything about biology.

02:31:59.000 And they were like, oh, let's grab an animal and see how the heart pumps.

02:32:02.000 And that's really where this got started.

02:32:04.000 It was literally thousands of years ago.

02:32:07.000 And we've come a long way in terms of knowing about human anatomy and biology and also how animals suffer.

02:32:13.000 And there's other technology now available.

02:32:16.000 So animal testing is a scientific fraud.

02:32:19.000 And the reason people do it is because there's money available, there's a lot of money available to do it.

02:32:25.000 And once you start, there's no incentive to actually innovate or end it.

02:32:29.000 And the projects we've been talking about tonight are great examples.

02:32:33.000 If you get an NIH grant and you solve a problem or cure a disease, the money stops.

02:32:39.000 Now, if you just keep torturing animals for 50 years, you're going to get paid to do that every single year reliably, including under Jay Bhattacharya and RFK.

02:32:48.000 The NIH is happy to keep those projects on the dole.

02:32:52.000 So there's no incentive to innovate because your money is going to get cut off.

02:32:56.000 Your paychecks are going to stop.

02:32:58.000 So there's every incentive to actually work on projects that are never going to produce results that are relevant to humans, never going to cure anything, but you just keep tinkering and torturing animals for 50 years and collect checks.

02:33:11.000 Reliably every single year at taxpayer expense.

02:33:14.000 That's why these projects exist because there's funding available.

02:33:17.000 You cut the funding, these projects are going to go away.

02:33:19.000 And that's why our motto as an organization, our slogan is stop the money, stop the madness.

02:33:23.000 That we don't need to be putting dogs on treadmills and giving them heart attacks, or fish on treadmills, or bears on treadmills, or cats on, or any of the many, many animals. 0.97

02:33:32.000 All the animals of Noah's Ark have been on a treadmill in some government funded laboratory in some stupid experiment.

02:33:37.000 We're not getting any benefit from that, but some mad scientist had a wacky idea and the government gave them money to do it. 0.96

02:33:44.000 If the taxpayers weren't forced to pay that, pay the bills, no private organization is going to, you know, private health charity or anyone, no one's going to pay for a scientist to do those type of, you know, disgusting and wasteful animal experiments.

02:33:58.000 So the only way it happens is because the government funding and the bigger the NIH budget gets, the more animal testing is going to be funded unless they take steps to phase it out, commit to cuts, restrict funding.

02:34:10.000 And that's what we do in these spending bills we put funding prohibitions in there.

02:34:14.000 And we've been able to do it in a targeted way at certain agencies at the Department of War.

02:34:19.000 Obviously, last year we were able to completely cut all funding for dog and cat testing after they banned it.

02:34:24.000 We codified in law that they can't spend money on painful dog and cat testing anymore.

02:34:29.000 We're trying to do that at the NIH and other agencies as well.

02:34:32.000 But it's just this is big business.

02:34:35.000 It's just this comes like so many other things, it comes down to money.

02:34:38.000 And that's why cutting the funding for animal testing is the way to end it.

02:34:42.000 The U.S. government, taxpayers, U.S. taxpayers, you know, we talk about government money.

02:34:46.000 Federal government funding, federal funding, that means taxpayer funding.

02:34:50.000 That means our money is being spent on these projects.

02:34:53.000 The U.S. government, U.S. taxpayers are the single largest funder of animal testing in the entire world.

02:34:59.000 In the entire world, it's not chemical companies or cosmetics companies or whatever other companies there are out there.

02:35:08.000 U.S. taxpayers are the single largest funder of animal testing in the world.

02:35:12.000 And if you start reducing and cutting that funding, you are going to change the face of this problem as we know it.

02:35:17.000 Animal Labs are going to shut down overnight because they're not going to be able to find money anywhere else because no one else is going to pay for torturing pets and useless experiments.

02:35:26.000 Jay Bhattacharya seems happy to do that.

02:35:30.000 So the problem has persisted, but he also has the authority, or someone maybe who comes after him if and when he loses his job.

02:35:37.000 They also have the authority.

02:35:38.000 RFK has the authority to stop this problem now, nip it in the bud now, stop the bleeding now.

02:35:44.000 But they're not.

02:35:44.000 They want to if they have the political will to do so.

02:35:47.000 So they're upset that we're being aggressive.

02:35:49.000 The only reason things have gotten to this point.

02:35:51.000 Is because they haven't done what they said they were going to do.

02:35:54.000 And we call balls and strikes and we hold people accountable and we don't care if they were our friends in the past or included us in their book or tweeted about nice things about us.

02:36:03.000 We want results.

02:36:04.000 We don't, and we hold our friends accountable.

02:36:06.000 They're held to an even higher standard because we expect more from them.

02:36:11.000 And Jay and unfortunately, you know, RFK have been big disappointments.

02:36:15.000 And like you said at the beginning of this, they've been disappointments to people on a lot of different issues.

02:36:20.000 The Maha movement is very disappointed with RFK and everything else.

02:36:24.000 We fracture right now in the Maha movement with a lot of things.

02:36:26.000 So, yeah, a lot of things.

02:36:29.000 Let's go to the chat.

02:36:31.000 Yeah, no, it's another example.

02:36:33.000 I want to take two more questions for Justin.

02:36:36.000 Let's see, two more questions.

02:36:38.000 And a person said, We vote them in to stop it and they don't.

02:36:46.000 What's the solution? 1.00

02:36:48.000 How do we make the politician stop spending money on this shit? 1.00

02:36:53.000 That's one of the questions. 1.00

02:36:54.000 So they're frustrated.

02:36:56.000 People are very frustrated.

02:36:57.000 They say, We vote for people.

02:36:59.000 They say that they're going to do this.

02:37:00.000 RFK said he was going to end it.

02:37:02.000 Jay said he was going to end it.

02:37:03.000 Now they're in.

02:37:04.000 They're not.

02:37:04.000 They're actually giving more money to fund these sick Fauci experiments.

02:37:08.000 So, how do we stop it?

02:37:10.000 Voting wasn't enough to stop it.

02:37:12.000 How do we stop it now, Justin?

02:37:14.000 What can people do who are watching, who are fired up and pumped up at midnight right now?

02:37:19.000 What can these people do to help stop this taxpayer funded animal abuse?

02:37:24.000 So, first of all, thanks to everyone who's still tuned in.

02:37:26.000 I know it's late on the East Coast.

02:37:28.000 And thanks for listening and being fired up and wanting to do some good for animals.

02:37:34.000 First of all, again, visit mahabetrade.org.

02:37:37.000 That's the easiest way for you to make your voice heard to the administration and to your members of Congress.

02:37:41.000 They will literally get an email.

02:37:43.000 I tested it myself when we set this up.

02:37:45.000 My senator immediately sent back a form letter.

02:37:47.000 So, again, I don't want to see a form letter.

02:37:50.000 I want an actual response, but the email will go through directly to your House member and your two senators, people in RFK's office, and people in the White House.

02:37:59.000 And they're going to be receiving an email from you, which you can personalize if you want, demanding that they end funding for Fauci's laboratories.

02:38:08.000 Also, there are other ways you can hold your members of Congress accountable.

02:38:11.000 Post on X, tag them, post on any social media, tagging them, asking them to end these experiments.

02:38:17.000 They're very sensitive to messages that are on social media because they're public and they don't want to be embarrassed and shamed on there.

02:38:24.000 And I hear from members of Congress all the time who, from offices all the time, who say they saw their constituents tweeting about something.

02:38:32.000 What can they do?

02:38:33.000 To get involved and help solve the problem.

02:38:35.000 I literally heard from an office today about that, saying they saw a white coat waste post and they wanted to know how they could be helpful.

02:38:41.000 So, social media posts are very helpful.

02:38:43.000 So, follow white coat waste at white coat waste on all the social media platforms, share that stuff, fill out these action alerts, and go to town halls.

02:38:52.000 If you're a member of Congress, you know, if you follow your members of Congress on social media or get on their mailing list and they announce they're having a town hall, go to it and ask a question, ask them why they're allowing taxpayer money, your money, your hard earned tax dollar, your hard earned money paycheck.

02:39:08.000 To go to funding Fauci's torture labs.

02:39:11.000 Put them on the spot in public, hold them accountable.

02:39:14.000 These people are going to do the right thing if there's enough public pressure on them.

02:39:19.000 And they're going to demand accountability from the administration also.

02:39:23.000 Because at the end of the day, Congress holds the purse strings.

02:39:26.000 Congress is the one giving NIH and Jay Bhattacharya and RFK the money to fund these experiments.

02:39:32.000 Congress also has the power to cut that funding off or restrict that funding.

02:39:36.000 And the work I do as our lobbyist is to work on Capitol Hill to put language in these funding bills to restrict how money can be spent, to cut funding for animal testing, to phase out money for animal testing.

02:39:48.000 So if you're contacting your members of Congress about this, I'm also going to follow up.

02:39:52.000 I follow up with every member of Congress.

02:39:54.000 Who our supporters write to through these action alerts and follow up and make sure that those offices got those messages and urge them to support whatever our initiatives are.

02:40:03.000 The funding cycle is starting right now for 2027.

02:40:07.000 So, actually, it's more important than ever that people follow us on social media at White Coat Waste, go to mahabitrade.org, take action.

02:40:16.000 And then we're going to send you updates, other action alerts, call ins.

02:40:19.000 This week, we're doing a call in starting tomorrow, asking people to contact, could call in, contact RFK's office.

02:40:26.000 So, there's lots of ways for you to get involved, make your voice heard, hold the government accountable.

02:40:31.000 And that's our full time job holding the government accountable for spending money on animal torture.

02:40:37.000 And what better day to start doing this if you're watching this show tonight than tomorrow, tax day?

02:40:42.000 What do we always hear? 0.79

02:40:43.000 No taxation without representation.

02:40:45.000 And we want some representation.

02:40:47.000 We want our lawmakers to respond to us and to tell us where they stand on this issue of taxpayer funded animal abuse.

02:40:55.000 And so, if you're outraged about this, After you finish sending half your paycheck to the government tomorrow, call them and tell them that you are horrified that you have learned that over $20 billion per year of taxpayer funds go towards funding these abusive animal tests.

02:41:16.000 Let them know that you call HHS, call NIH, and tell them that you did not vote for this and you want them to stop animal testing.

02:41:26.000 It's only going to end if we make our voices heard and if we start expressing outrage.

02:41:30.000 Do not make threats of violence.

02:41:32.000 Do not send death threats.

02:41:34.000 Not that anybody listening to this show would, but peacefully make your voices heard and go to mahabetray.com, mahabetray.com, and also be sure that you're following White Coat Waste on social media.

02:41:48.000 Send them a donation.

02:41:50.000 They obviously rely on grassroots donations to fund this incredible work, this very important work that they're doing, not just on behalf of the American people, saving us money, exposing waste, fraud, and abuse.

02:42:02.000 But also, they're heroes.

02:42:03.000 They're heroes.

02:42:04.000 They're saving animals' lives.

02:42:06.000 They're saving the lives of thousands of innocent animals.

02:42:10.000 Last year, we saved the lives of probably thousands of beagles by getting some of this money basically revoked from these terrible.

02:42:23.000 Cruel, inhumane.

02:42:25.000 I don't even want to call them research experiments because it's not even research, but over $100 million. 1.00

02:42:30.000 Think of how many animals' lives have been saved now that over $100 million in taxpayer funded animal abuse has been cut as a direct result of the work being done by White Coatways. 0.99

02:42:42.000 So I support them.

02:42:43.000 I encourage all of you to support them.

02:42:46.000 It's a tax deduction, right, Justin?

02:42:48.000 So if people contribute, they can get a tax deductible donation.

02:42:53.000 How do people contribute?

02:42:54.000 Explain this process to people who. would like to support the work that you're doing.

02:42:59.000 Yes, so we are a small nonprofit.

02:43:02.000 As you mentioned, Laura, a tiny fraction of the budget of the big animal rights groups.

02:43:07.000 And almost all of our revenue is small dollar grassroots donations.

02:43:12.000 We don't have big multi million dollar donors.

02:43:15.000 We rely on the support of grassroots donors across the country who care about holding the government accountable and saving animals from government abuse.

02:43:24.000 So, yes, we always say we need doers and donors.

02:43:27.000 We need people filling out our petitions and action alerts, contacting Congress.

02:43:31.000 Sites like mahabatrade.org, following us on social media at White Coat Waste.

02:43:36.000 And if you want to make a donation, you visit our website, whitecoatwaste.org.

02:43:40.000 I think in the top right corner, there's a link to donate.

02:43:44.000 You could donate $5, you can donate $50, whatever you want.

02:43:48.000 We're grateful for all of it.

02:43:50.000 That's how we keep these campaigns going.

02:43:52.000 We are, you know, we walk the walk, we talk the talk, we don't take government handouts, we didn't take COVID bailouts like PETA and all the big animal rights groups who took COVID bailout money.

02:44:02.000 You know, we are an organization that is, we stick to our principles.

02:44:07.000 We don't want bailouts and handouts from the government.

02:44:09.000 We don't want animal testing labs to get them.

02:44:12.000 We don't expect to get them ourselves.

02:44:14.000 So we do rely on the generosity of caring animal lovers across this country and pet owners across this country to support our work.

02:44:20.000 So please, again, mahabetrayed.org at White Coat Waste on all the social media platforms.

02:44:27.000 And if you want to read more and donate, whitecoatwaste.org.

02:44:31.000 Well, thank you, Justin.

02:44:32.000 Thank you so much for spending nearly two hours tonight on my program ahead of tax day tomorrow, right?

02:44:39.000 Explaining this and highlighting some of your very important work.

02:44:42.000 I am very proud to support White Coat Waste and very proud to work alongside you, having worked alongside you this last year.

02:44:50.000 And I'm excited to see what we're going to accomplish this year together and what White Coat Waste is going to accomplish.

02:44:56.000 We accomplished so much, and I'm so honored to know the team at White Coat Waste.

02:45:04.000 You truly do not get the recognition that you deserve.

02:45:07.000 And I hope that 2026 and 2027 are the years that white coat waste becomes a household name. 0.94

02:45:14.000 Everybody needs to know what white coat waste is because you're truly doing heroic work, not just saving people their taxpayer funds each year by exposing and eliminating these experiments when you expose them and they eventually get cut from the budget, but also saving lives. 0.97

02:45:33.000 And I think that this year we should create a tally. 0.96

02:45:35.000 We should really try to.

02:45:36.000 Create some kind of a tally to calculate how many animals' lives are being saved because you really can't put a dollar amount on the life of an animal, an animal saved that's eventually going to escape from these labs and find a forever home and experience the warmth of a bed and a cuddle and a kiss and pets for the first time.

02:45:57.000 And that's what we are working to do. 0.62

02:45:59.000 And that's what White Coat Waste is trying to do.

02:46:01.000 So thank you, Justin, for coming on the show tonight.

02:46:04.000 I really appreciate your time.

02:46:06.000 Thanks for your support, Laura.

02:46:07.000 And thanks to all your viewers for tuning in and for signing our petitions and getting active.

02:46:12.000 We'll continue.

02:46:12.000 Absolutely.

02:46:13.000 And we're going to be covering that hearing on Thursday.

02:46:16.000 Lumor Unleashed will be outside of Congress, and we'll be sure to record and document the WTF RFK billboard campaign.

02:46:25.000 Looking forward to seeing those billboards.

02:46:28.000 Awesome.

02:46:28.000 Thanks, Laura.

02:46:30.000 Thanks for coming on.

02:46:30.000 Thanks.

02:46:31.000 Appreciate it.

02:46:34.000 All right.

02:46:36.000 Well, for those of you who are procrastinators, I suppose you're going to be finishing the calculations on your taxes tonight.

02:46:44.000 If you're not getting an extension, taxes are due tomorrow.

02:46:48.000 I hope that tonight's episode was eye opening for you and educational, and that you were able to learn about how a big portion of your tax dollars, the money that you send to the federal government every single year when you pay your taxes on April 15th, is going towards abusing animals.

02:47:04.000 Let's see any comments, any questions.

02:47:07.000 From people, any thoughts about tonight's episode?

02:47:11.000 If you are outraged, please be sure that you visit mahabetray.com and fill out these petitions and call HHS, call NIH, and tell them that you are demanding that they end all taxpayer funded animal testing and contact the Trump administration.

02:47:28.000 Start getting loud on social media, contact your representatives and ask them to intervene, to speak out about this and to oppose all funding in fiscal year.

02:47:39.000 2027, the budget for fiscal year 2027 that is going towards these cruel and inhumane animal torture experiments.

02:47:47.000 They're not really experiments, they're just like sociopathic torture.

02:47:53.000 And you know what they say?

02:47:54.000 They always say that serial killers start with animals.

02:47:57.000 Have you ever heard that before?

02:47:58.000 You always see these documentaries on Netflix, like, or How to Catch Predator.

02:47:58.000 I have.

02:48:03.000 You see all these crazy stories, all these dateline specials of serial killers or people that ended up becoming brutal murders and killers, rapists, whatever it may be.

02:48:13.000 And you always hear stories.

02:48:14.000 Well, you know, they started out torturing animals.

02:48:17.000 They started bashing the heads of lizards open, or they would cut open mice, or oh, they shot the dog, or oh, they killed the cat.

02:48:24.000 They drowned the cat.

02:48:25.000 You always hear some terrible story about how they killed innocent animals and that they had pleasure killing animals when they were children or teenagers.

02:48:34.000 So people who torture animals and people who are able to torture animals and people who don't.

02:48:43.000 Feel like a sense of revolt or sickness at the idea of torturing animals generally grow up to be serial killers and mass murderers.

02:48:52.000 Just something to keep in mind, especially when you know that your tax dollars are not just funding these experiments, but also funding the salaries and the benefits of these mad scientists who are no different than the serial killers who are being featured on Dateline or these Netflix specials that you watch and see about.

02:49:15.000 Famous serial killers who got their start killing animals.

02:49:18.000 So, something to think about.

02:49:21.000 Please be sure that you contact your representative tomorrow.

02:49:24.000 If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure that you follow me on X at Laura Loomer and on X at Loomer Unleashed.

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02:49:38.000 You'll never miss an episode when I go live.

02:49:40.000 Also, be sure that you're following my website, loomerd.com, loomerd.com, where we post exclusive updates and reports every single day.

02:49:47.000 Lots of midterm election coverage.

02:49:50.000 Here you have the report about the billboard campaign.

02:49:52.000 If you want to read more about this billboard campaign funded by White Coat Waste, and if you support the work that I'm doing at Lumar Unleashed, you can click the drop down button and you can make a donation on my website in support of my work.

02:50:06.000 You can send me a check, you can donate online.

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02:50:20.000 Confidentiality and anonymity is always protected if requested.

02:50:24.000 And I hope that you will reach out to me so that we can continue exposing all the bad actors in Washington, D.C., exposing animal torture, animal abuse, taxpayer abuse, and all of the waste, fraud, and corruption that drives us crazy and makes us regret sending the checks that we're all going to be sending to the IRS tomorrow.

02:50:45.000 So, with that, hopefully you don't have to pay too much money to the IRS tomorrow.

02:50:50.000 But if you do, make sure that you at least make that money worth it by.

02:50:56.000 Contacting your representatives and contacting HHS and NIH and telling them that you do not want your money that you are sending to the government tomorrow to go toward torturing and abusing animals.

02:51:10.000 Remember, animal abuse is not a joke.

02:51:13.000 With that, thank you so much for tuning in to tonight's episode of Loomer Unleashed.

02:51:17.000 I will see you on Thursday for another live episode.

02:51:20.000 Have a great evening. 0.99

02:51:22.000 There is a young female journalist.

02:51:27.000 Conservative journalist by the name of Laura Loomer.

02:51:31.000 If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes.

02:51:37.000 She chained herself to the chair. 1.00

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Loomer Unleashed - April 15, 2026

EP181: NIH's SICK SECRET: How Your Tax Dollars Are Still Funding Fauci's Torture Labs

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