Loomer Unleashed - EP55: LIVE COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WITH LAURA LOOMEREP55: LIVE COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WITH LAURA LOOMER

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:29.000 Thank you.

00:46:28.000 Good evening and welcome to I'm your host, Laura Loomer.

00:46:38.000 Welcome to debate night as well.

00:46:40.000 Very exciting night tonight.

00:46:42.000 As many of you know, tonight marks the first presidential debate of the 2024 general election cycle.

00:46:48.000 The political world and the voting public will be closely watching tonight as Donald Trump faces off against Joe Biden.

00:46:55.000 This debate signifies an important milestone as the election transitions from the primary season to the more focused and intense final competition leading up to November.

00:47:04.000 This year is flying by, as we are already just four and a half months out from election day.

00:47:09.000 So what can we expect to see tonight?

00:47:12.000 First, let's discuss the failing Joe Biden.

00:47:15.000 Just like our country is in decline, well, Joe Biden himself is very much in decline.

00:47:20.000 In many ways, it is hard to believe that we have suffered through nearly four years of this walking disaster of a man already.

00:47:27.000 Time certainly flies by when everything is in decline, I guess.

00:47:31.000 And as we all know, Joe Biden has not been running the government for the majority of his time in office.

00:47:36.000 Instead, that responsibility has fallen to Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, and countless other unelected bureaucrats throughout the executive branch, like Biden advisers Bob Bauer and his wife, Anita Dunn.

00:47:48.000 Joe Biden functions as a figurehead, a ceremonial president who is simply there to smile, check boxes, and garner votes.

00:47:56.000 The Biden administration has been defined by decline and inaction.

00:48:00.000 Under their watch, much of the progress Donald Trump made during his time in office has been erased, sadly.

00:48:06.000 Many of Trump's policies were immediately rolled back once Joe Biden entered the Oval Office, after the stolen election.

00:48:12.000 The economy has been allowed to unravel at the seams.

00:48:15.000 Inflation, sparked by COVID, has never been dealt with.

00:48:19.000 The wealth gap in this nation has been allowed to widen, contradicting the left's claims of opposing such inequality.

00:48:25.000 In fact, the distance between this nation's richest and poorest citizens has never been greater.

00:48:30.000 The middle class has been further pushed out of existence. 0.65

00:48:33.000 Around the world, America's position in power has declined rapidly.

00:48:37.000 Under President Trump, we were a respected nation once again, even feared in some cases.

00:48:43.000 Now, however, we are the laughingstock of the world.

00:48:46.000 Everyone can see our listless, feckless leader for what he is.

00:48:50.000 Everyone knows that this nation is barely holding itself together, let alone holding the world together.

00:48:56.000 So under Joe Biden, countless flashpoints around the globe have been allowed to flare up.

00:49:02.000 Ukraine, Gaza, Taiwan, North Korea, The list goes on and on.

00:49:06.000 The past few years have been nothing but a downhill slide for this nation.

00:49:11.000 Similarly, Biden's mental functions have been sliding downhill as well.

00:49:15.000 Back in 2020, it was already apparent that he wasn't fully there.

00:49:19.000 His mental faculties were clearly not what they once were back when he was Vice President.

00:49:24.000 As his time in office has gone on, his condition has steadily worsened.

00:49:29.000 However, just in the past few months, his decline has rapidly accelerated.

00:49:33.000 It is to the point now that the White House insiders are sounding the alarm bells to the DNC and members of the mainstream media.

00:49:41.000 They are quietly hinting that Biden will essentially be incapacitated soon into a second term if he manages to secure it.

00:49:49.000 This decline is clearly observable in many of the recent press conferences and public appearances Biden has done.

00:49:55.000 He looks totally lost.

00:49:57.000 It's obvious that he has dementia.

00:49:59.000 Or some other debilitating disease.

00:50:01.000 The man belongs in the bingo hall of a nursing home, not in the Oval Office of the White House. 0.59

00:50:07.000 In contrast, Donald Trump, despite his age, remains energetic and determined.

00:50:11.000 In fact, few young men can hold a candle to the persistent energy that Trump displays.

00:50:16.000 And honestly, I personally feel like President Trump has even more energy than I have at 31 years old.

00:50:22.000 On some days.

00:50:24.000 Despite being dragged through countless court hearings over the past year, he has persevered All while still campaigning multiple days a week all around the nation.

00:50:32.000 Moreover, President Trump's base has been re-energized by the blatant campaign of corrupt lawfare directed at the 45th president.

00:50:39.000 This has served only to highlight the corruption in the government and how the system protects itself from outsiders.

00:50:46.000 President Trump also has the privilege of running on a successful first term in office, unlike Joe Biden.

00:50:52.000 Despite issues with bad personnel, obstruction, and the unfortunate COVID pandemic, President Trump was able to achieve a great deal.

00:51:00.000 Additionally, many Americans saw the Trump years as a time of prosperity and optimism, and I personally think that he's the best president of my lifetime, at least, if not in the history of our entire nation.

00:51:12.000 Gas prices were low.

00:51:14.000 Inflation was under control.

00:51:16.000 America felt respected abroad.

00:51:17.000 We actually had a competent, charismatic leader in office.

00:51:21.000 And most importantly, many Americans felt that their voices were being heard and represented in D.C.

00:51:26.000 for the first time in decades.

00:51:28.000 And despite a global COVID lockdown, which many believe was a bioweapon used to interfere in President Trump's With all of this in mind, tonight's debate should be an easy win for President Trump.

00:51:36.000 Trump never mandated vaccines or mask mandates, and he worked as hard as he could to get the country open again, despite people like Dr. Fauci working to subvert his administration and work against him with false and fake science.

00:51:48.000 With all of this in mind, tonight's debate should be an easy win for President Trump.

00:51:54.000 However, expectations are so abysmally low for Joe Biden that even a terrible performance by Donald Trump is still far above what most people expect to see from Joe Biden tonight.

00:52:05.000 But we know that there's no such thing as a terrible performance from Donald Trump because every single time he's at a debate, especially in positions where he's under pressure, like he will be tonight, three against one, I think that President Trump always shines the brightest when he is facing adversity and opposition.

00:52:22.000 So whatever cocktail of stimulants they pump into Biden before the debate tonight, it always seems to be just enough for him to get by.

00:52:30.000 With only a handful of gaffes and meltdowns.

00:52:33.000 Moreover, Joe Biden is in friendly territory with CNN, moderating the debate.

00:52:37.000 And as we have seen, CNN has already revealed that they will be muting the candidates when they begin to speak over each other.

00:52:43.000 They don't allow for any audience to take place or be present tonight at the debate.

00:52:49.000 And this is really, at the end of the day, just code for having an excuse to silence and censor Donald Trump when he tries to refute Biden's many lies.

00:52:57.000 All of this adds up to a debate that should be an easy Trump victory.

00:53:01.000 But ultimately, I'm sure that it will be rigged, and it's already being rigged just by the terms of the debate that have been laid out by CNN and Joe Biden's campaign.

00:53:11.000 And I'm sure tonight that we'll see that all of this will come together to be done to minimize any such win for President Trump in the eyes of the mainstream media.

00:53:20.000 So as we watch tonight, make note of how many times the moderators interrupt Trump versus Biden.

00:53:25.000 Take note of how many times the moderators cleverly redirect the conversation or needlessly correct or fact-check Donald Trump.

00:53:32.000 And also, be wary and count how many times they mute Trump compared to Joe Biden.

00:53:38.000 I think it will be pretty clear that this is not exactly a level playing field.

00:53:42.000 But then again, when has President Trump ever been given a fair shake? 0.98

00:53:46.000 Even way back during the 2016 primary debates, the room was packed to the brim with donors and neocons who would clap like seals, you know, please clap, for imbeciles like Jeb Bush, and they would also boo whenever Trump so much as opened his mouth. 0.93

00:54:00.000 But despite the rigging, Donald Trump was able to overcome all of that by being sharp, incisive, and aggressive. 0.98

00:54:07.000 All the reasons why we love him.

00:54:09.000 So let's hope that that same 2016 Donald Trump steps out onto the debate stage tonight.

00:54:15.000 There is a young female journalist, conservative journalist, by the name of Laura Loomer.

00:54:24.000 If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes. 0.95

00:54:30.000 Chained herself to square.

00:54:31.000 Chandler's.

00:54:32.000 We'll be right back.

00:55:02.000 We'll be right back.

00:55:27.000 I'm your host, Laura Lumer.

00:55:29.000 Tonight is going to be a very fun night.

00:55:31.000 It's the first presidential debate of the 2024 general election season.

00:55:35.000 And I know that, I don't know about you, but I just, I just feel so excited.

00:55:39.000 I don't know.

00:55:40.000 I feel like I'm a teenager getting ready to go to my first concert or, you know, getting ready to go out for a fun night.

00:55:47.000 Because let's be honest, If there's anything that's more fun than going to a Trump rally, it's watching President Trump debate his opposition.

00:55:56.000 And if there's anything more fun than that, it's watching President Trump debate his opposition while it's being hosted by fake news CNN.

00:56:03.000 So we know, right, we all know that this is not going to be a fair debate, just like this has not been a fair election season.

00:56:10.000 This has not been You know, we have not seen fair trials for President Trump.

00:56:15.000 We're not really living in the age of fairness, right?

00:56:18.000 We are living in the age of rigged elections, a lack of freedom of speech, and censorship, and obviously all of the political elites on the left and the right and the establishment are uniting to try to stop President Trump.

00:56:32.000 And, you know, we can talk about how there's now a sense of unity in the Republican Party, Well, that's what they're going to tell you.

00:56:38.000 But at the end of the day, right, all of these Republicans in office understand that they're going to need President Trump to win their elections.

00:56:45.000 They're going to need President Trump in order to fundraise in a general election year.

00:56:48.000 And so do I trust that all of these people truly have President Trump's back or that they're actually rooting for him to win?

00:56:55.000 Absolutely not.

00:56:56.000 But despite all of that adversity, we're going to see President Trump persevere, and I'm really excited that those of you watching have decided to spend your debate night with me.

00:57:04.000 The debate is going to start in about 40 minutes.

00:57:07.000 It's going to be live on CNN, but I am going to be carrying the stream here, and so you can watch my debate coverage.

00:57:15.000 Don't worry, I'm not going to be, you know, over-talking It's just a place where you can watch the debate and then afterwards, of course, I'll have some post debate commentary and prior to the debate starting tonight.

00:57:28.000 I'm going to have some pre debate coverage with former.

00:57:33.000 Governor of Illinois is actually a Democrat. 0.97

00:57:35.000 He calls himself a Trump a crap, so he's going to join me tonight is former Democrat governor of Illinois. 0.94

00:57:42.000 Rod Blagojevich, so he's going to be on momentarily and. 0.98

00:57:48.000 We're going to talk about whether or not Illinois is in play this year for President Trump, President Trump's rising poll numbers, and also the overwhelming support for President Trump in the black community.

00:58:02.000 But before we get started, I want to show you this article from the New York Post That came out today.

00:58:08.000 You know, as you've seen, President Trump and his campaign advisors have, I would say, joking, but they're not joking because we all know that it's not a joke.

00:58:15.000 It's actually a big reality.

00:58:17.000 And you've seen even medical doctors come out live on television and talk about how Joe Biden is clearly under the influence of drugs and stimulants in order to campaign and participate in the debate tonight.

00:58:30.000 So here's an article tonight from the New York Post that came out earlier today. 0.97

00:58:33.000 Adderall Botox and a B12 shot in the butt.

00:58:36.000 Why Trump's claim that Biden will be pumped up on drugs for the debate isn't so far fetched. 0.99

00:58:41.000 Donald Trump has claimed that Joe Biden will be pumped up on drugs to enhance his performance at Thursday's debate, including getting a big fat shot in the ass. 0.99

00:58:48.000 His assertions have been dismissed by some segments of the media as a campaign bluster. 0.99

00:58:53.000 But private doctors to the rich and famous tell The Post that VIPs often use drug cocktails in the ass. 0.99

00:58:58.000 And I don't even have any shame saying that. 0.99

00:59:00.000 an edge before they take the spotlight for a big event.

00:59:02.000 Yeah, I mean, look, even I, I don't use drugs, but when I'm feeling low energy, I go and I get an IV and I don't even have any shame saying that.

00:59:11.000 I go every three weeks, I go get an IV because I feel tired a lot of the time.

00:59:17.000 I travel a lot, and I want to be healthy.

00:59:20.000 I don't want to get sick.

00:59:21.000 And so I get vitamins injected into my body, and I'm 31 years old.

00:59:26.000 So again, I can only imagine what Joe Biden is having injected into his body.

00:59:31.000 But I have no shame in admitting that.

00:59:33.000 I certainly don't take Adderall.

00:59:34.000 I'm not taking cocaine.

00:59:37.000 But I definitely go to IV clinics at least once a month and I will get, you know, zinc, I'll get vitamin C, I'll get vitamin D, glutathione, I'll get biotin, I'll get vitamin B. I get all types of vitamins injected into my body and I'll sit there for an hour at a time because, you know, it really helps you feel better.

00:59:57.000 And you can do this once a week, I was told.

00:59:59.000 I just go once a month because, you know, they're kind of expensive.

01:00:02.000 They're almost like $200 every single time you go and you get one of these injections.

01:00:08.000 But you can actually go once a week, and they certainly do boost your energy.

01:00:12.000 And so doctors here told the New York Post that not only do they think that Joe Biden is getting IVs or shots of vitamin B, which, of course, boosts your energy levels, but also, you know, they said that he could possibly be on Adderall for enhanced focus as well.

01:00:31.000 These can include everything from peptides to a boost in brain function and Botox to avoid a spready brow to Adderall for enhanced focus, and, yes, sometimes even a shot in the butt. 0.97

01:00:41.000 Yeah, I mean, they give you your injections in the butt. 0.72

01:00:44.000 So, I used to get just the sole vitamin B injections before I started doing the vitamin IVs. 0.99

01:00:51.000 And anytime I would get a vitamin B shot, they would give it to me in the ass. 0.99

01:00:56.000 So, Trump's right. 1.00

01:00:58.000 When he says that Biden's going to get a shot in the ass. 1.00

01:01:01.000 I mean, anybody that gets a vitamin B shot would get a shot in their ass unless they were getting an IV. 1.00

01:01:06.000 So, you know, some people were like, oh, President Trump's being really crude and vulgar. 0.99

01:01:10.000 But no, he's absolutely 100% spot on.

01:01:13.000 This is how it works.

01:01:14.000 And I'm sure a lot of people have gotten vitamin B shots or vitamin injections.

01:01:18.000 And if you have, then you also know that that's how it's done.

01:01:24.000 Before I interview my guest tonight, I want to play a new Trump campaign ad that just came out today that's actually going to be broadcast during commercial breaks from the debate.

01:01:34.000 So this is an ad that was put out by the Trump campaign today, and it's really about Joe Biden's deteriorating state and his mental decline.

01:01:44.000 So take a look at this new Trump campaign ad.

01:01:47.000 When you think about the Joe Biden you saw in the debate, ask yourself a question.

01:01:52.000 Do you think the guy who was defeated by the stairs, got taken down by his bike, lost a fight with his jacket, and regularly gets lost, makes it four more years in the White House?

01:02:05.000 And you know who's waiting behind him, right?

01:02:08.000 Vote Joe Biden today.

01:02:09.000 Hit Kamala Harris tomorrow. 0.83

01:02:13.000 I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

01:02:17.000 So, I think it's a great ad.

01:02:20.000 I personally think that it's a funny ad and it's something that everybody can relate to because, let's be honest, everybody knows that Joe Biden is not in a good mental state and he is rapidly declining. 0.93

01:02:34.000 I mean, there's rumors that he actually shit himself, okay, at the G7 Summit recently. 0.99

01:02:40.000 There's rumors that this guy shit himself while meeting with the Pope. 0.98

01:02:43.000 And there are international media reports about how he passed gas in front of the royal family in the UK. 0.99

01:02:51.000 So this guy is an embarrassment to our country, and he clearly is not demonstrating the same type of stamina or energy levels that President Trump has.

01:03:02.000 And as we know, President Trump has enormous energy levels.

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01:05:27.000 But joining me now to discuss the debate prior to going live at 9pm tonight and to also talk about his support for President Donald Trump As a Democrat, is former Democrat Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich.

01:05:44.000 Rod, thank you so much for joining me tonight.

01:05:45.000 It's a pleasure to have you.

01:05:47.000 I know you're very busy and you probably had a lot of offers tonight ahead of the debate.

01:05:52.000 So I really appreciate you joining me tonight.

01:05:56.000 Thanks for having me.

01:05:56.000 It's nice to meet you.

01:05:58.000 Yes, you as well.

01:05:59.000 So, you know, you are not a typical Trump surrogate in the sense that you're not just a conservative or a registered Republican.

01:06:08.000 You actually are a registered Democrat, and you were the former governor of Illinois, but you have decided to endorse President Trump over Joe Biden despite the fact that you have, you know, helped well-known Democrats in the past get elected, people like Nancy Pelosi, and you are Well, I support President Trump for several reasons.

01:06:26.000 Trump.

01:06:27.000 So please explain to the viewers why, as a Democrat, you are endorsing President Trump for reelection and what you expect to see tonight ahead of the first presidential debate.

01:06:39.000 Well, I support President Trump for several reasons.

01:06:42.000 I have a personal reason, but in addition to the personal reason, and I wouldn't support him if I didn't believe in these things, I think today's Democratic Party is a very different party than the party I grew up in, the party I was involved in, the party that I represented as governor twice in Illinois, three terms in Congress.

01:07:00.000 I was the first Democrat governor to endorse Obama for president in 2008.

01:07:03.000 He and I knew each other in Illinois politics here in Chicago, came up together about the same time, different parts of town.

01:07:11.000 I have another confession to make.

01:07:12.000 I supported Nancy Pelosi to be the Democratic leader when I was a member of the House.

01:07:17.000 And so I think I have really strong Democratic credentials.

01:07:21.000 I like the things that I did as governor that helped people, working people, everyday people.

01:07:25.000 And I look at today's Democratic Party and I don't see a party that cares about those people.

01:07:29.000 And I look at President Trump, I look at the new Republican Party that he's been creating.

01:07:34.000 I think about the political realignment that's going on in American politics led by President Trump.

01:07:39.000 And so much of what the Democrat Party used to stand for and the people that we fought for are really the people that President Trump is fighting for and that today's Democratic Party has abandoned.

01:07:50.000 People who go to work every day, the men and women who do the work of the world.

01:07:53.000 Trump speaks to them.

01:07:54.000 He's addressing their issues.

01:07:55.000 He did so when he was president.

01:07:57.000 He's promising to do so again, and I know that he will.

01:08:00.000 I think about the black community, which has been very, very generous to me when it comes to support and votes and very loving to me during difficult times in my life and my family's life when Calamity came down on us, but I see what's happening with the black community, today's Democratic Party, how it treats the black community.

01:08:16.000 It treats it with the Democratic Party today and Joe Biden treats the black community as just a block of votes.

01:08:22.000 They're not at all interested in lifting black people out of the difficult conditions that they face in places like the inner city of Chicago.

01:08:30.000 They'd rather just leave them there and keep them angry at those in our society who are doing better economically. 0.71

01:08:37.000 Because if the Democrats lose the 95% of the black vote that they get traditionally consistently in elections, they can't win elections. 0.67

01:08:45.000 And so they have a very cynical, racist policy towards the black community, led by the so-called elite white liberals of the Democrat Party.

01:08:53.000 When I think about the values that matter to most people, Faith in God. 0.87

01:08:59.000 Belief in community.

01:09:02.000 Belief in the necessity of having police officers keeping us safe.

01:09:06.000 And the first duty of government being public safety.

01:09:08.000 When I think about looking after the little guy, the Democrat Party today doesn't speak to them.

01:09:13.000 It's become a corporate party.

01:09:15.000 It's actually become more of what the Republican Party used to be.

01:09:18.000 The Republican Party of the Bushes and the Cheneys.

01:09:21.000 In the Mitt Romney's, the Country Club Corporate Republican Party, they've moved over to today's Democrat Party, joined by a group of radical socialists.

01:09:30.000 It's a very weird coalition.

01:09:32.000 And the typical average working person that's made up the bulk of the Democratic Party and the black community and the Latino community have been left out.

01:09:40.000 And Trump is speaking to them.

01:09:41.000 And that's why Trump is going to win a historic number of black votes and Latino votes in this election.

01:09:46.000 And it's why I feel very confident that he's not only going to win The battleground states, but that he has a very good chance of winning a state like Illinois that hasn't gone to a Republican candidate since 1988.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, and there has been some discussion about whether or not Illinois is in play.

01:10:02.000 And you're absolutely correct.

01:10:04.000 14% of the population in Illinois is actually of the black community.

01:10:10.000 And President Trump's policies mean if you look at his first term in office, Yeah, the lowest unemployment for the black community.

01:10:16.000 And now, if you look at somebody like Joe Biden, who was responsible for, you know, the crime bills and massive incarceration for young black males throughout Joe Biden's very lengthy political career as a senator, vice president, and now, unfortunately, in my mind, the illegitimate occupant of the White House.

01:10:36.000 We also see, as you said, President Trump has Massive favorability among the black community.

01:10:41.000 His recent rally in the Bronx compared to the rally that was hosted just this last weekend by Congresswoman AOC and Jamal Bowman who ended up losing his election in his primary race on Tuesday.

01:10:53.000 25,000 people showed up to see President Trump in the Bronx and you didn't see him pandering to black people.

01:11:01.000 You didn't see him, you know, trying to speak Ebonics or, uh, you know, listen to black, uh, like blasting rap music or throwing up gang signs. 0.93

01:11:10.000 I mean, I say these things because this is the type of pandering that we're seeing coming out of the Democrat Party right now.

01:11:16.000 This is what they did at the rally.

01:11:18.000 And Joe Biden, to your point, has even gone as far as saying things like, oh, well, you're not black if you don't vote for me.

01:11:25.000 And he even filmed a black outreach commercial several months ago.

01:11:29.000 We played it on this show of himself Sitting with a black family eating fried chicken. 0.83

01:11:34.000 Are you going to show me that or did you want me to comment on that?

01:11:40.000 No, I just wanted to get your opinion on it.

01:11:42.000 I mean, we could pull the clip, but we did show this clip several months ago.

01:11:46.000 I just wanted to get your, you know, get your opinion on this.

01:11:49.000 Do you think that members of the black community enjoy being pandered to in such stereotypical ways?

01:11:54.000 Or do you think that President Trump just being himself and not really pandering or changing his campaign message to, you know, to go out and get the black or Hispanic vote is what you know, is behind his recent, you know, surge in polling when it comes to members of these communities?

01:12:10.000 I think there's four factors that are contributing to President Trump's growing support, increasingly growing support in the black community.

01:12:19.000 I think first and foremost, it's the failure of the Democratic Party to truly deliver for the black community, not just these last couple of years, these last three years with Joe Biden, but for a whole generation.

01:12:31.000 It's been nothing but talk and promises.

01:12:35.000 But no real fundamental opportunities to lift people who are living in poverty, out of poverty.

01:12:41.000 And the fear of the Democrats is if they lose, if the black community comes out of poverty, they're going to lose that base of political support.

01:12:47.000 It's a very cynical, calculated politics that they're playing.

01:12:51.000 And the community is growing increasingly to learn and recognize the phoniness of what those Democratic Party policies have been.

01:12:58.000 Yes, the Democratic political elite, largely made up of black political leaders, continue to advocate the policies of the Democrats, but at the grassroots level, at the street level, in the neighborhoods, and I see this in Chicago, where I live on the South side, on the on the West side, where I grew up, there's a real, very real undercurrent of talk.

01:13:20.000 You hear it in the barbershops, People are talking amongst themselves.

01:13:23.000 And they're seeing, you know, that they're expressing their frustration with the Democrats, that they find themselves in the same place that they've been for generations, as well as living in communities that are not safe.

01:13:35.000 And the Democrat Party has been attacking and abandoning the very people that keep black people safe, and all of us safe, and that's the police.

01:13:42.000 In addition to that, the second thing I would say is that President Trump has been vilified and persecuted in ways that people who've gone through the wrong side of the criminal justice system, like the black community, recognize. 0.77

01:13:58.000 And these weaponized prosecutors who've turned non-crimes into crimes to persecute President Trump Uh, is something that the black community fully understands. 0.99

01:14:08.000 I had difficulties myself with that criminal justice system.

01:14:11.000 It was in the black community that I found love and support and understanding because they recognize when something is fake and fraudulent and they see what's being done to Trump and they recognize it and they're going to respond with votes for President Trump.

01:14:24.000 The third point I would make is look at the issue of the criminal justice system and criminal justice reform.

01:14:29.000 Joe Biden was the architect of the 1994 crime bill.

01:14:33.000 He wrote a bill that condemned a whole generation of first time nonviolent offenders, drug offenders for the most part, to a whole, to decades of prison sentences, condemning them to no chance at a second chance.

01:14:47.000 And as a result of that, an author by the name of Michelle Alexander wrote a bestselling book called The New Jim Crow in America, which she explains was the result of the policies of Joe Biden and the Clinton administration back in the mid 1990s.

01:15:01.000 So the Democrat party has abandoned and persecuted the black community with its policies.

01:15:06.000 Contrast that with Trump.

01:15:07.000 When he was president, he passed the First Step Act.

01:15:10.000 Which began this process of undoing the damage that, and the harm that was done by Joe Biden.

01:15:16.000 And then the fourth point I would make is economic.

01:15:18.000 Under Trump, the economy was so much better for everybody and the black community for the first time in a long time.

01:15:25.000 So economic growth that was meaningful, wages going up and the promise and hope of even better in the days and weeks ahead.

01:15:33.000 So when you can find all of those things, and then the final point I would make is President Trump's style.

01:15:39.000 Being authentic, being what he is, acting as he does, saying what he thinks and what he believes, being so not a politician.

01:15:47.000 I think that appeals to a lot of black people, particularly black men. 0.72

01:15:50.000 And I had the misfortune of spending eight years in prison because of fake corrupt charges by fake and corrupt prosecutors.

01:15:58.000 They weaponized the stuff against me that was political conversations begun by then president elect Obama.

01:16:03.000 They weren't criminal.

01:16:04.000 He goes to the White House for eight years.

01:16:06.000 I go to the big house for eight years.

01:16:07.000 And during that eight years, I had a chance to spend a lot of time with some of my colleagues, black guys who'd been in prison for a long, long time and got to know them.

01:16:15.000 And I saw how they admire Trump for a straightforward attitude and his personality and his willingness to go against the grain.

01:16:23.000 So when I think about those factors and I think about the possibilities in this particular campaign.

01:16:28.000 I'm confident and in fact we're seeing it already.

01:16:30.000 The Trump campaign is going to make a concerted effort to try to win black votes and I hope they do because most Republican candidates don't even try.

01:16:37.000 They are there for Trump to get and I predict he will get a record number of black votes and it's going to be among the reasons why he's going to win this election by a far bigger margin than any poll is going to indicate.

01:16:50.000 Absolutely, and it is interesting that as a Democrat, you know, you couldn't count on somebody like Barack Hussein Obama to pardon you, but it was actually President Trump.

01:16:59.000 So, you know, it just goes to show you that if President Trump truly was as vindictive and as focused on revenge as, you know, Joe Biden and the mainstream media like to falsely accuse him of being.

01:17:09.000 And I predict that this is going to be a major focal point tonight by people like, you know, Jay Tapper and Dana Bash and Joe Biden himself, because they want to characterize President Trump as some vindictive dictator who's hellbent on, you know, getting back into office getting back into office so that he can imprison all of his political opponents.

01:17:27.000 But clearly, President Trump, if he truly was a dictator, he's not going to be issuing pardons to Democrats like yourself.

01:17:34.000 Well, look, my personal experience with President Trump is that he's a very kind person.

01:17:40.000 I've gotten to know him just a little bit.

01:17:42.000 I don't know him that well.

01:17:43.000 I did his television show, Celebrity Apprentice.

01:17:45.000 He was very kind to me on a personal level because he was sympathetic to the plight that I was going through.

01:17:50.000 And who would have thought way back then when I did that show in 2009 that the years would go by, he would be the one that would rescue me from what was done to me.

01:17:57.000 Restore my freedom, reunite me with my two little girls, my daughters, and my wife.

01:18:02.000 And that then what was done to me at the AAA level to a Democrat governor would be used against him at the Major League level by a Democratic president's administration.

01:18:12.000 And let's not kid ourselves, the DNC is working with the DOJ To do what they're doing to President Trump.

01:18:18.000 This is a coordinated campaign and Biden knows it.

01:18:21.000 And that is corrupt government.

01:18:23.000 And it's the kind of thing that's going to destroy our freedoms.

01:18:27.000 And so Trump standing up to this is not only heroic because it's a hard thing to stand up against.

01:18:33.000 I know it from my own experience.

01:18:35.000 But it's something that's so much larger than what's being done to him, a former president, and hopefully future president, or me, a Democrat governor.

01:18:43.000 They're doing this to the American people.

01:18:45.000 And the community, again, that recognizes this the most is the Black community.

01:18:49.000 And I do believe Again, that the Democrats are overplaying their hands with their persecution of President Trump and put aside the outrageous lack of patriotism to destroy our rule of law and our Constitution for political purposes.

01:19:08.000 It's also going to have, I really believe, A backfiring effect on the Biden campaign.

01:19:14.000 Are you seeing that?

01:19:15.000 Are you seeing?

01:19:16.000 I mean, I've seen it firsthand because, you know, I organized the rally in front of the Fulton County Jail the day that President Trump was arrested in Georgia when he had to take his mug shot.

01:19:27.000 And, you know, you had people like Fannie Willis and Joe Biden and the Democrats outside having their little party and their press conferences with MSDNC where they were celebrating the fact that Donald Trump had to take a mugshot, but I found that most of the people who were outside of the jail at the rally I organized were black people.

01:19:45.000 They were black people who were telling me that Fannie Willis had victimized their family members, too, and that they had family members, many of them were black men, their fathers, their uncles, their brothers, their cousins, serving inside the Fulton County Jail.

01:19:59.000 And so, if anything, I think that you're absolutely correct that President Trump now, I guess, Being indicted four times and having to take a mugshot, being arrested, facing all of these guilty, guilty charges, has really earned him what I would like to call street cred with the black community.

01:20:18.000 And they see, wow, they really are trying to go after this billionaire businessman.

01:20:26.000 And I guess that in a country where people didn't really believe that politicians, or for the most part, I think that there's this general consensus in our country, correct me If you think I'm wrong.

01:20:38.000 But for the most part, people tend to think that politicians are above the law.

01:20:41.000 They see politicians breaking the law all the time, getting involved in corruption scandals.

01:20:46.000 And very rarely do we see politicians, especially those who actually are guilty, and we have a lot of evidence of this.

01:20:53.000 Just look at the Biden crime family, for example.

01:20:56.000 They never seem to go to jail.

01:20:57.000 They never seem to face any prosecution for their crimes.

01:21:02.000 And so I think that you have a lot of people, both Republican, Independent, and Democrat, who are looking at President Trump and they're thinking, wow, you know, if a billionaire businessman and the President of the United States can have an election stolen from him and he can be fined hundreds of millions of dollars by corrupt judges Who have financial conflicts of interest, as is the case of Judge Merchant or personal conflicts in the case of Judge Ngoron.

01:21:28.000 What's going to happen to me?

01:21:30.000 Because your average person is not a billionaire.

01:21:32.000 Your average person is never going to hold elected office in this country.

01:21:35.000 They're never going to be president of the United States.

01:21:38.000 And then you also add in the racial component, too, where people are saying it's not just any billionaire, any politician, but it's a rich white man.

01:21:47.000 And I think this has really They've taken the shutters off of a lot of people's eyes and disrupted the cognitive dissonance that millions of Americans have been subjected to over these last eight years of non-stop witch hunts in the media and false allegations against President Trump.

01:22:03.000 And they're realizing, wow, everything that I've been told over these last eight years is a lie.

01:22:08.000 And Donald Trump is right when he says the only thing standing in between you and them is me.

01:22:13.000 Do you find that a lot of Democrats are going to be voting for President Trump because they feel like this is just Yes, I do.

01:22:24.000 Again, I've talked about the black community.

01:22:26.000 And again, I just want to emphasize that that's going to be something that's going to be very significant in favor of the president of President Trump.

01:22:34.000 By the way, I just neglected to point out the migrant crisis is another issue.

01:22:38.000 Illegal immigrants coming to America and being treated by Democratic politicians like our mayor here in Chicago and our governor here in Illinois, Governor Pritzker.

01:22:46.000 And putting their priorities, the priorities of illegal immigrants above the interests of the black community is a very big issue in the black community.

01:22:53.000 With regard to just general democratic voters, working class voters, irrespective of race, color, ethnicity, creed, whatever the case may be.

01:23:02.000 No, I think most Americans get it.

01:23:05.000 I think most Americans have common sense.

01:23:06.000 I think most Americans believe in fair play.

01:23:09.000 I think most Americans recoil.

01:23:11.000 Uh, from things they see is wrong and unfair.

01:23:14.000 And I think they see exactly this when it comes to the persecution of President Trump.

01:23:20.000 And I would also say that among working class Democrats, whether they be white ethnic Democrats, Latinos, where by the way, President Trump is going to score another huge success in terms of making, getting record numbers of Latino votes in this election as well.

01:23:35.000 No, I think among the rank and file Democrats across the board, men and women who work.

01:23:40.000 They see this and they ask themselves and they say, why is all of this happening to one man who has had so much success in his life?

01:23:49.000 And all of a sudden, he's never had a problem with the law.

01:23:52.000 And now suddenly all of these things are happening to this one man at one time.

01:23:56.000 And then the next question they're asking themselves, and I think the answer to this question is admiration for Trump.

01:24:03.000 They say, why would a guy who's had all that success in his life?

01:24:07.000 The money he's made in business and real estate, the success he's had as a celebrity on his program, Celebrity Apprentice, a number one rated show.

01:24:14.000 Why would a guy put himself in a place like this and take these hits and face this persecution and be vilified and treated the way he's been treated?

01:24:24.000 Why would he do that?

01:24:26.000 Unless he truly does love this country.

01:24:29.000 And unless he truly believes that he can fix it, and not only save America, but make America great again.

01:24:35.000 See, I think most people are seeing it that way.

01:24:37.000 And I think as time goes on and the persecution continues, and the persecution continues to mount against President Trump, I think more and more Democratic voters are going to leave the Democratic Party, at least in this election, and support him.

01:24:50.000 And my pitch to the Democratic voter is put aside your party affiliation.

01:24:55.000 There's something more important than your loyalty to your party.

01:24:58.000 It's called your love of country.

01:25:00.000 And it's hard for people to kind of abandon the party they grew up.

01:25:03.000 I know for myself, it's not so easy to, you know, support, you know, to not take a Democratic ballot during the primary, for example.

01:25:11.000 But the stakes couldn't be higher.

01:25:13.000 The Constitution's at stake.

01:25:14.000 The rule of law's at stake.

01:25:16.000 Freedom's at stake.

01:25:17.000 Our future's at stake.

01:25:19.000 And the choice is very clear.

01:25:21.000 And I think in overwhelming numbers, Democrat voters are going to leave the Democrat party in this election and support Trump.

01:25:29.000 Absolutely, and I think you hit the nail on the head there, Rod, in that their hatred for Donald Trump is greater than their love for their country.

01:25:36.000 And that's the reason why we have so much division and so much chaos in our country.

01:25:40.000 Not because of Donald Trump, not because of the so-called MAGA extremists, as Governor Pritzker has said.

01:25:46.000 In fact, we have a clip, I believe, we can play here of Governor Pritzker comparing Donald Trump to Hitler and comparing what he likes to call MAGA extremists to Nazis.

01:25:58.000 We can play that.

01:25:59.000 But before we play that, I do want to get your take on the pandering of the Biden campaign to the black community.

01:26:05.000 We found that fried chicken cookout ad.

01:26:08.000 And this is from earlier this year, but it's just an example of the gross stereotypes being pushed by the Biden campaign and the extreme pandering because they have nothing to campaign on.

01:26:18.000 And so they have to campaign on identity politics and racial division as opposed to what you said Donald Trump is campaigning on, his true authentic self.

01:26:26.000 So let's go ahead.

01:26:27.000 I want to get your take on this ad that was put out by the Biden campaign.

01:26:31.000 I want to get your take on this ad.

01:27:00.000 I want to get your take on this ad.

01:27:23.000 And Joe Biden went to this black family's house and decided to have lunch with him.

01:27:28.000 And the food that they decided to cater was from a fried chicken restaurant.

01:27:32.000 And you had You know, you could see it in the video there.

01:27:34.000 I mean, I pick up on those things as somebody who's in politics and in media.

01:27:40.000 What is your take on that as somebody who is a Democrat, was a governor of a state with a very large black population?

01:27:48.000 I mean, do you find that to be as insulting as I find it to be?

01:27:54.000 Yes, I do.

01:27:55.000 I mean, I'm actually surprised that they would do something like that. 0.98

01:27:57.000 It's so obvious and it shows the contempt that the Biden team has for the black community to think that something as blatantly stupid as that ad and using Fried chicken is some sort of a symbol. 0.99

01:28:11.000 That wouldn't be anything but offensive to the Black community. 1.00

01:28:14.000 The Black community, like everybody else, they're smart. 0.99

01:28:18.000 They're not stupid. 0.99

01:28:20.000 And I think they're going to see through that. 1.00

01:28:22.000 And you know, it isn't just Black people who like fried chicken.

01:28:25.000 I confess, I like fried chicken.

01:28:27.000 I think it's fantastic.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, I love fried chicken!

01:28:29.000 But it just goes to show you the pandering and we saw this with Hillary Clinton too when when she was campaigning against Donald Trump when she was talking about carrying hot sauce in her purse.

01:28:39.000 My point is is that Joe Biden Has nothing to campaign on.

01:28:43.000 He has to use racial divisions and racial language and racial symbolism in order to, you know, try to campaign in these communities that he's losing a grip on.

01:28:52.000 And you mentioned it.

01:28:53.000 Immigration is a massive issue.

01:28:56.000 Over 65% of Americans in this country support mass deportations.

01:29:00.000 And as we know, you know, President Trump has promised to launch a mass deportation campaign on day one of his Of this new administration and I think tonight that we're going to see President Trump trying to focus on issues like the invasion and the Biden migrant crisis that is resulting in the rapes and the murders of innocent people, innocent young children across this country.

01:29:22.000 Every single day there's a new story about a young woman who's raped and murdered and strangled and buried in a ditch by an illegal alien.

01:29:28.000 We're going to see President Trump focus on Bidenomics and inflation and the devastation that Biden's policies has caused our economy and everyday Americans who are struggling.

01:29:39.000 And as we have seen by messaging that has already been pushed out tonight by Joe Biden and his surrogates and people like Gavin Newsom, who are in the spin room tonight, invited by the Biden campaign, and Jasmine Crockett and Raphael Warneck, all these people want to focus on are abortion.

01:29:57.000 Racial issues.

01:30:00.000 And, oh, Orange Man Bad and Trump supporters are MAGA extremists and domestic terrorists who committed an insurrection on January 6.

01:30:07.000 Those are the three things that they're focusing on because they have absolutely no record in these terrible four years that Joe Biden has served in the White House.

01:30:17.000 And did you say, Laura, that there was going to be a clip from Governor Pritzker?

01:30:20.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:30:21.000 We'll play this clip as well because, you know, President Trump had a really big rally in Illinois not too long ago, and Governor Pritzker, just like many of his Democrat colleagues, they have nothing to run on.

01:30:32.000 And so, you know, when asked about President Trump, instead of focusing on policies, he actually compared MAGA and President Trump to the Holocaust.

01:30:40.000 So let's go ahead and play this clip.

01:30:42.000 Jen, you know, I led the building of a Holocaust museum.

01:30:47.000 The rhetoric that's being used by Donald Trump, the rhetoric that's being used by some of the MAGA extremists, is rhetoric that was used in the 1930s in Germany.

01:31:00.000 I am very concerned about the direction of the country if we see policies like what Donald Trump is espousing come to light for our country.

01:31:13.000 So apparently if you want closed borders and you don't want to see invaders getting bussed into Chicago bus stations, which, you know, we've released exclusive video footage of that.

01:31:22.000 We've been tracking the invasion in major cities and we have correspondents all over the country that film migrant buses and the invasion.

01:31:32.000 I traveled down to the Darien Gap myself and I'm going to be releasing a documentary about this invasion into our country. 1.00

01:31:38.000 But if you're a Democrat, like Governor Pritzker, According to them, you are a Nazi.

01:31:44.000 You are just like Hitler if you want to kick all of the illegal aliens out of our country, if you are sick and tired of migrant crime, if you are sick and tired of inflation or gang violence in inner cities and places like Chicago where a lot of these Venezuelan gangbangers are coming in and absolutely wreaking havoc and promoting so much lethal violence in our communities. 1.00

01:32:04.000 What do you think about his rhetoric?

01:32:07.000 Well, I can't help but make a comment.

01:32:09.000 You showed the edit about the fried chicken a moment ago.

01:32:11.000 There's another guy who likes fried chicken and a lot of it.

01:32:15.000 Yeah, and President Trump actually said that, too.

01:32:17.000 We have a clip of President Trump.

01:32:18.000 I think we have a clip of President Trump saying that Governor Pritzker enjoys eating way too much.

01:32:23.000 So I'll let you finish.

01:32:24.000 And then, of course, we can we can finish on that clip before we go to the debate in three minutes.

01:32:28.000 But continue.

01:32:30.000 Well, I would simply say, you know, J.B.

01:32:32.000 Pritzker, he and I Know each other very well.

01:32:34.000 He used to work for me.

01:32:35.000 He asked me to appoint him to the Illinois Human Rights Commission when I was governor, and I happily did so.

01:32:39.000 He's on the FBI tapes.

01:32:41.000 They were taping my phones, asking me to make him a United States Senator.

01:32:44.000 That guy who just talked about the Holocaust Museum, he was instrumental in making it happen because he was able to get me as the governor to provide a lot of funding for the building of that Holocaust Museum.

01:32:55.000 And that was a great thing that we did, and he deserves credit for that.

01:32:59.000 He's on the FBI tapes asking me to make him a United States Senator and he says to me on that call he understands my desire to appoint someone who's black to the position to succeed Obama because at the time when Obama left for the White House there were no black senators.

01:33:14.000 And in the age of Obama, I felt it was important to have someone who was black be appointed by me to the United States Senate.

01:33:21.000 Pritzker's comment was, quote unquote, he understands I have a black problem.

01:33:26.000 In other words, a political problem, which I think indicates kind of where he is when it comes to the issue of race.

01:33:32.000 And I would say that's the same thing when it comes to the issue of other things regarding people.

01:33:35.000 And for him to be able to say those things about Trump is really the pot calling the kettle black.

01:33:41.000 This whole stuff with racism and bringing up race is really projection by Democratic political leaders, projecting their views and pointing fingers at Trump because they have nothing else that they can say because they can't defend the policy of Joe Biden.

01:33:55.000 Absolutely.

01:33:56.000 They weaponize prosecutors.

01:33:58.000 They trump up fake charges.

01:34:00.000 They're destroying our democracy.

01:34:02.000 They're doing the things that were done in Nazi Germany.

01:34:05.000 Weaponized prosecutions are the things done in Nazi Germany.

01:34:08.000 The stuff that JB is supporting.

01:34:10.000 And so when he talks like that it really makes me I'm upset at myself for appointing that guy to the Illinois Human Rights Commission.

01:34:16.000 I thought he was a better guy and a different guy, but unfortunately, he's just another, well, politician who got lucky in life and inherited a couple of billion dollars from his successful family.

01:34:27.000 Yeah, well, we'll forgive you by all of your surrogacy work for President Trump.

01:34:32.000 Before we cut to the debate, we'll play this clip of President Trump talking about Governor Pritzker just because it's funny and it goes to your point about all the fried chicken, right?

01:34:39.000 Let's play the clip.

01:34:40.000 Look at Illinois.

01:34:41.000 I don't know how it continues.

01:34:42.000 You have this guy Pritzker.

01:34:44.000 I don't know.

01:34:45.000 He's too busy eating.

01:34:46.000 He wants to eat all the time.

01:34:48.000 Would you like a hamburger?

01:34:49.000 How many do you want?

01:34:50.000 Five?

01:34:51.000 I'll have five.

01:34:52.000 Look at Illinois.

01:34:55.000 So hopefully we see that same type of humor tonight from President Trump during the debate.

01:35:00.000 The debate is about to start in one minute, Governor, so any last words, any last comments?

01:35:04.000 Of course, I really appreciate you taking time to come on tonight.

01:35:06.000 Really appreciate all the amazing work you're doing as a surrogate for President Trump.

01:35:11.000 Last words for the viewers before we watch this debate, which should be interesting.

01:35:16.000 If CNN lets us watch the debate, that is.

01:35:19.000 Thank you, Laura.

01:35:20.000 Very quickly, in spite of all of our problems, we live in the greatest country in the history of the world.

01:35:24.000 America is a special place.

01:35:26.000 The American Dream still is available for people.

01:35:29.000 This election, what's at stake is the continuation of the American Dream, making it better and more available to more people, protecting the rule of law and the Constitution, and actually lifting up people who've been left behind and kept down.

01:35:43.000 That's what this election is about.

01:35:44.000 We have a real leader in Donald Trump who's not afraid.

01:35:47.000 Who's courageous, who's tough and strong.

01:35:49.000 And we have the other guy who's in no way capable of handling the job and is not calling the shots.

01:35:54.000 I think the choice is clear.

01:35:56.000 And I would say to my fellow Democrats, put aside your party affiliation and put first your love of country and do the right thing and help us make America save America and make America great again.

01:36:08.000 Well, Governor, thank you so much for coming on Luma Unleashed tonight.

01:36:11.000 Where can people follow you?

01:36:14.000 Oh, the real Rod Blagojevich on Twitter, I suppose.

01:36:17.000 I think that's what that is.

01:36:18.000 Yeah.

01:36:19.000 Whatever.

01:36:21.000 Okay, wonderful.

01:36:23.000 Well, I really appreciate you taking time to come on tonight, and you're welcome to come on Loomer Unleashed anytime you want to come on and spread a message and recruit more Democrats.

01:36:32.000 You call yourself a Trumpercat?

01:36:35.000 What do you call yourself?

01:36:36.000 Yeah, I think I'm the original Trumpocrat.

01:36:38.000 I call myself a Trumpocrat.

01:36:39.000 Democrats for Trump.

01:36:41.000 But I know I'm not the only one.

01:36:42.000 There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Trumpocrats out there.

01:36:46.000 And I think it's growing with every passing day.

01:36:49.000 Well, we like that.

01:36:49.000 We want more Trumpocrats.

01:36:50.000 So thank you so much for coming on and have a great night.

01:36:53.000 Enjoy the debate.

01:36:53.000 Thank you.

01:36:54.000 Thank you, Laura.

01:36:55.000 Thank you.

01:36:57.000 All right, we're going to tune in now to debate coverage.

01:37:00.000 The debate is now beginning.

01:37:01.000 So you can watch it live here on Lumar Unleashed.

01:37:05.000 Live on CNN, of course, but if you don't want to give CNN the viewership, you can watch it here.

01:37:09.000 If one of them can at least give a spark of that, maybe you change things.

01:37:14.000 And this is actually, I think, the other problem for both men.

01:37:17.000 Neither of them are great visionaries about, you know, painting a picture of what is the country supposed to be.

01:37:24.000 And it's hard for them because they both are not the most articulate men in the world.

01:37:29.000 I don't know how that's going to play out.

01:37:32.000 Here on the panel, the preliminaries are over.

01:37:36.000 The main event is here.

01:37:37.000 We'll be back with complete coverage and analysis later tonight.

01:37:40.000 And with that, let's turn things over to CNN's Jake Tapper and also CNN's Dana Bash for this first presidential debate of 2024 campaign.

01:37:50.000 Alrighty, the debate is now beginning.

01:37:53.000 So I'm just going to be in the bottom corner here because, you know, I don't want to talk over everybody.

01:37:57.000 But you can watch live here and stick around for post-debate coverage.

01:38:03.000 So excited.

01:38:08.000 We're live from Georgia, a key battleground state in the race for the White House.

01:38:17.000 In just moments, the current U.S.

01:38:19.000 president will debate the former U.S.

01:38:21.000 president as their party's presumptive nominees, a first in American history.

01:38:27.000 We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world to our studios in Atlanta.

01:38:33.000 This is the CNN presidential debate.

01:38:35.000 Also, you can play along.

01:38:37.000 The Trump campaign released the official debate night bingo, so I'm going to be keeping track tonight for all of you.

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01:38:48.000 This is a pivotal moment between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

01:38:54.000 For the nation's highest office.

01:38:56.000 Each will make his case to the American people with just over four months until election day.

01:39:03.000 Good evening, I'm Dana Bash, anchor of CNN's Inside Politics and co-anchor of State of the Union.

01:39:08.000 I'm Jake Tapper, anchor of CNN's The Lead and co-anchor of State of the Union.

01:39:12.000 Dana and I will co-moderate this evening.

01:39:15.000 Our job is to facilitate a debate between the two candidates tonight.

01:39:20.000 Before we introduce them, we want to share the rules of the debate with the audience at home.

01:39:24.000 Former President Trump will be on the left side of the screen.

01:39:27.000 President Biden will be appearing on the right.

01:39:33.000 Each candidate will have two minutes to answer a question and one minute each for responses and rebuttals.

01:39:40.000 An additional minute for follow-up clarification or response is at the moderator's discretion.

01:39:46.000 When it's time for a candidate to speak, his microphone will be turned on and his opponent's microphone will be turned off.

01:39:53.000 Should a candidate interrupt when his microphone is muted, he will be difficult to understand for viewers at home.

01:40:01.000 At the end of the debate, each candidate will get two minutes for closing statements.

01:40:05.000 There is no studio audience tonight.

01:40:09.000 Now please welcome the 46th President of the United States, Joe Biden.

01:40:12.000 debate.

01:40:12.000 By accepting our invitation to debate, both candidates and their campaigns agreed to accept these rules.

01:40:20.000 Now, please welcome the 46th president of the United States, Joe Biden.

01:40:25.000 Please welcome the 45th president of the United States, Donald Trump.

01:40:42.000 Gentlemen.

01:40:53.000 I'm just tweeting about how weird it is that there's no audience.

01:40:56.000 Let's start with the issue that voters consistently say is their top concern, the economy.

01:41:02.000 President Biden, inflation has slowed, but prices remain high.

01:41:07.000 Since you took office, the price of essentials has increased.

01:41:10.000 For example, a basket of groceries that cost $100 then, now costs more than $120.

01:41:15.000 And typical home prices have jumped more than 30%.

01:41:20.000 What do you say to voters who feel they are worse off under your presidency than they were under President Trump?

01:41:26.000 We've got to take a look at what I was left when I became president.

01:41:29.000 What Mr. Trump left me.

01:41:31.000 We had an economy that was in free fall.

01:41:33.000 Oh my god!

01:41:34.000 I'm unmuted, right?

01:41:35.000 Many people were dying.

01:41:36.000 All I'm saying is it's not that serious.

01:41:38.000 Just inject a little bleach into your arm.

01:41:40.000 You'll be alright.

01:41:41.000 The economy collapsed.

01:41:44.000 Unemployment rate rose to 15%.

01:41:46.000 It was terrible.

01:41:48.000 And so what we had to do was try to put things back together again.

01:41:51.000 That's exactly what we began to do.

01:41:53.000 We created 15,000 new jobs.

01:41:56.000 We brought out a position where we have 800,000 new manufacturing jobs.

01:41:57.000 But there's more to be done.

01:42:02.000 There's more to be done.

01:42:03.000 Working-class people are still in trouble.

01:42:05.000 I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania.

01:42:06.000 I come from a household where the kitchen table things weren't able to be met during the month.

01:42:11.000 It was a problem.

01:42:12.000 The price of eggs, the price of gas, the price of housing, the price of a whole range of things.

01:42:18.000 Sure, I deal with those problems.

01:42:20.000 And we're going to make sure that we reduce the price of housing.

01:42:23.000 We're going to make sure we build 2 million new units.

01:42:26.000 We're going to make sure we cap rents so corporate greed can't take over. 0.99

01:42:30.000 The combination of what I was left with and corporate greed is the reason why we're in this problem right now.

01:42:34.000 In addition to that, we're in a situation where if you take a look at all that was done in his administration, He didn't do much at all.

01:42:42.000 By the time he left, things were in chaos.

01:42:45.000 Literally chaos.

01:42:47.000 And so we put things back together.

01:42:48.000 We created, I said, those jobs.

01:42:49.000 We made sure we had a situation where we now, we brought down, which is a major issue for many people, to $15 for an insulin shot, as opposed to $400.

01:43:03.000 No senior has to pay more than $200 for all the drugs they conclude beginning next year.

01:43:10.000 And we're going to make that available to everybody, to all Americans.

01:43:14.000 So we're working to bring down the price around the kitchen table, and that's what we're going to get done.

01:43:19.000 Thank you.

01:43:19.000 President Trump?

01:43:21.000 We're the greatest economy in the history of our country.

01:43:24.000 We have never done so well.

01:43:27.000 Everybody was amazed by it.

01:43:29.000 Other countries were copying us.

01:43:30.000 We got hit with COVID.

01:43:32.000 And when we did, we spent the money necessary so we wouldn't end up in a Great Depression, the likes of which we had in 1929.

01:43:40.000 By the time we finished, we did a great job.

01:43:42.000 We got a lot of credit for the economy, a lot of credit for the military and no war and so many other things.

01:43:48.000 Everything was rocking good.

01:43:50.000 But the thing we never got the credit for and we have is getting us out of that COVID mess.

01:43:54.000 He created mandates.

01:43:56.000 That was a disaster for our country.

01:43:58.000 But other than that, we had we had given them back a country where the stock market actually was higher than pre-COVID.

01:44:06.000 And nobody thought that was even possible.

01:44:08.000 The only jobs he created are for illegal immigrants and bounce back jobs, a bounce back from the COVID. 0.92

01:44:14.000 He has not done a good job.

01:44:15.000 He's done a poor job and inflation is killing our country.

01:44:18.000 It is absolutely killing us.

01:44:20.000 Thank you, President Biden.

01:44:22.000 Well, look, the greatest economy in the world.

01:44:24.000 He's the only one who thinks that, I think.

01:44:25.000 I don't know anybody else who thinks he has the greatest economy in the world.

01:44:29.000 And, you know, the fact of the matter is that we find ourselves in a situation where his economy, he rewarded the wealthy.

01:44:38.000 He had the largest tax cut in American history, $2 trillion.

01:44:42.000 He raised a deficit larger than any president in one term.

01:44:44.000 Takes credit for Trump economy.

01:44:45.000 He's the only president other than Herbert Hoover who's lost more jobs.

01:44:53.000 ...was significant, and the military.

01:44:56.000 You know, when he was president, they were still killing people in Afghanistan.

01:45:00.000 He didn't do anything about that.

01:45:01.000 When he was president, we still found ourselves in a position where you had a notion that we were this safe country.

01:45:09.000 Truth is, I'm the only president in this century that doesn't have any... Drugs are wearing off!

01:45:15.000 ...any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did.

01:45:20.000 President Trump, I want to follow up if I can.

01:45:22.000 Are you allowed to respond to him?

01:45:24.000 Well, I'm going to ask you a follow-up.

01:45:25.000 You can do whatever you want with the minute that we gave you.

01:45:27.000 I want to follow up.

01:45:28.000 You want to impose a 10% tariff on all goods coming into the U.S.

01:45:32.000 How will you ensure that that doesn't drive prices even higher?

01:45:35.000 Not going to drive them higher, it's just going to cost countries that have been ripping us off for years like China, and many others in all fairness to China. 0.96

01:45:42.000 It's going to just force them to pay us a lot of money, reduce our deficit tremendously, and give us a lot of power for other things.

01:45:49.000 But he made a statement, the only thing he was right about is I gave you the largest tax cut in history.

01:45:55.000 I also gave you the largest regulation cut in history.

01:45:57.000 That's why we had all the jobs.

01:45:59.000 And the jobs went down and then they bounced back.

01:46:01.000 And he's taking credit for bounce back jobs.

01:46:02.000 You can't do that.

01:46:03.000 He also said he inherited 9% inflation.

01:46:07.000 Now, he inherited no inflation and it stayed that way for 14 months.

01:46:11.000 And then it blew up.

01:46:12.000 They spent money like a bunch of people that didn't know what they were doing.

01:46:17.000 And they don't know what they were doing.

01:46:18.000 It was the worst, probably the worst administration in history.

01:46:21.000 There's never been.

01:46:22.000 And as far as Afghanistan is concerned, I was getting out of Afghanistan.

01:46:27.000 We were getting out with dignity, with strength, with power.

01:46:30.000 He got out.

01:46:31.000 It was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country's life.

01:46:35.000 President Trump, over the last eight years, under both of your administrations, the national debt soared to record highs.

01:46:42.000 And according to a new nonpartisan analysis, President Trump, your administration... We almost have bingo, you guys!

01:46:47.000 We just need Joe Biden to fall down and then we're going to have a bingo.

01:46:51.000 ...4.3 trillion dollars in new debt.

01:46:53.000 So, former President Trump, many of the tax cuts that you signed into law are set to expire next year.

01:46:58.000 You want to extend them and go even further, you say, with the U.S.

01:47:04.000 ...and record debt.

01:47:05.000 Why should top earners and corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now?

01:47:10.000 Because the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to COVID.

01:47:14.000 And even after COVID, it was so strong that we were able to get through COVID much better than just about any other country.

01:47:20.000 But we spurred, that tax spurred.

01:47:22.000 Now, when we cut the taxes, as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21 percent from 39 percent.

01:47:30.000 Much less tax.

01:47:34.000 And companies were bringing back trillions of dollars back into our country.

01:47:37.000 The country was going like never before.

01:47:40.000 And we were ready to start paying down debt.

01:47:42.000 We're ready to start using the liquid gold right under our feet.

01:47:45.000 The oil and gas right under our feet.

01:47:47.000 We were going to have something that nobody else has had.

01:47:51.000 We got hit with COVID.

01:47:52.000 We did a lot to fix it.

01:47:53.000 I gave him an unbelievable situation with all of the therapeutics and all of the things that we came up with.

01:48:00.000 We gave him something great.

01:48:02.000 Remember, more people died under his administration, even though we had largely fixed it.

01:48:08.000 More people died under his administration than our administration, and we were right in the middle of it.

01:48:14.000 Something which a lot of people don't like to talk about.

01:48:16.000 But he had far more people dying in his administration.

01:48:19.000 He did the mandate, which is a disaster, mandating it.

01:48:23.000 The vaccine went out.

01:48:24.000 He did a mandate on the vaccine, which is the thing that people most objected to about the vaccine.

01:48:29.000 And he did a very poor job, just a very poor job.

01:48:32.000 And I will tell you, not only poor there, but throughout the entire world, we're no longer respected as a country.

01:48:38.000 They don't respect our leadership.

01:48:39.000 They don't respect the United States anymore.

01:48:41.000 I don't think he knows where he is.

01:48:42.000 We're like a third world nation between weaponization of his election, trying to go after his political opponent.

01:48:48.000 All of the things he's done, we've become like a third world nation.

01:48:52.000 And it's a shame.

01:48:53.000 The damage he's done to our country, and I'd love to ask him, and will, why he allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails, and mental institutions to come into our country and destroy our country. 0.99

01:49:06.000 President Trump, we will get to immigration later in this block.

01:49:09.000 President Biden, I want to give you an opportunity to respond to this question on national debt.

01:49:14.000 He had the largest national debt of any president in a four-year period, number one.

01:49:18.000 Number two, he got a $2 trillion tax cut and benefited the very wealthy.

01:49:23.000 What I'm going to do is fix the tax system.

01:49:25.000 For example, we have a thousand trillionaires in America.

01:49:29.000 I mean billionaires in America.

01:49:31.000 And what's happening?

01:49:32.000 They're in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2% in taxes.

01:49:36.000 If they just paid 24% or 25%, either one of those numbers, we may raise $500 million, billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period.

01:49:46.000 We'd be able to wipe out his debt.

01:49:47.000 We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person I didn't know that we had over a thousand trillionaires in America, you guys.

01:50:10.000 I had no idea.

01:50:11.000 It's news to me.

01:50:14.000 I didn't even know that we had a trillionaire.

01:50:17.000 Thank you, President Biden.

01:50:18.000 President Trump was right.

01:50:20.000 He did beat Medicare.

01:50:21.000 He beat it to death.

01:50:22.000 And he's destroying Medicare because all of these people are coming in.

01:50:26.000 They're putting them on Medicare.

01:50:28.000 They're putting them on Social Security.

01:50:30.000 They're going to destroy Social Security.

01:50:32.000 This man is going to single handedly destroy Social Security.

01:50:35.000 These millions and millions of people coming in, they're trying to put them on Social Security.

01:50:40.000 He will wipe out Social Security.

01:50:42.000 He will wipe out Medicare.

01:50:44.000 So he was right in the way he finished that sentence.

01:50:46.000 And it's a shame.

01:50:47.000 What's happened to our country in the last four years is not to be believed.

01:50:52.000 Foreign countries, I'm friends with a lot of people, they cannot believe what happened to the United States of America.

01:50:58.000 We're no longer respected.

01:51:00.000 They don't like us.

01:51:02.000 We give them everything they want. 1.00

01:51:05.000 And they think we're very stupid people. 0.99

01:51:07.000 What we're doing for other countries, and they do nothing for us. 1.00

01:51:11.000 What this man has done is absolutely criminal.

01:51:15.000 Thank you, President Trump.

01:51:16.000 Dana?

01:51:17.000 This is the first presidential election since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

01:51:22.000 This morning, the court ruled on yet another abortion case, temporarily allowing emergency abortions to continue in Idaho, despite that state's restrictive ban.

01:51:33.000 Former President Trump, You take credit for the decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, which returned the issue of abortion to the states.

01:51:41.000 Correct.

01:51:42.000 However, the federal government still plays a role in whether or not women have access to abortion pills. 0.93

01:51:50.000 They're used in about two-thirds of all abortions.

01:51:54.000 As president, would you block abortion medication?

01:51:58.000 First of all, the Supreme Court just approved the abortion bill, and I agree with their decision to have done that, and I will not block it.

01:52:06.000 And if you look at this whole question that you're asking, complex but not really complex.

01:52:12.000 Fifty-one years ago, you had Roe's trade, and everybody wanted to get it back to the states. 0.56

01:52:17.000 Everybody, without exception.

01:52:19.000 Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives.

01:52:21.000 Everybody wanted it back.

01:52:23.000 Religious leaders.

01:52:25.000 And what I did is I put three great Supreme Court justices on the court.

01:52:29.000 And they happened to vote in favor of killing Roe v. Wade and moving it back to the states.

01:52:34.000 This is something that everybody wanted.

01:52:37.000 Now, 10 years ago or so, they started talking about how many weeks and how many this, getting into other things.

01:52:42.000 But every legal scholar throughout the world, the most respected, wanted it brought back to the states.

01:52:48.000 I did that.

01:52:49.000 Now the states are working it out.

01:52:51.000 If you look at Ohio, it was a decision that was it was an end result.

01:52:55.000 It was a little bit more liberal than you would have thought.

01:52:58.000 Kansas, I would say the same thing.

01:52:59.000 Texas is different.

01:53:01.000 Florida is different.

01:53:02.000 But they're all making their own decisions right now.

01:53:05.000 And right now, the states.

01:53:06.000 That's amazing.

01:53:10.000 Reagan, I believe in the exceptions.

01:53:12.000 I am a person that believes.

01:53:14.000 And frankly, I think it's important to believe in the exceptions.

01:53:17.000 Some people, you have to follow your heart.

01:53:18.000 Some people don't believe in that.

01:53:20.000 But I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

01:53:25.000 I think it's very important.

01:53:27.000 Some people don't.

01:53:27.000 Follow your heart.

01:53:28.000 But you have to get elected also, because that has to do with other things.

01:53:32.000 You've got to get elected.

01:53:34.000 The problem they have is they're radical, because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth.

01:53:41.000 After birth, if you look at the former governor of Virginia, he was willing to do this. 0.81

01:53:46.000 He said, we'll put the baby aside and we'll determine what we do with the baby, meaning we'll kill the baby. 0.99

01:53:52.000 What happened is we brought it back to the states, and the country is now coming together on this issue. 0.94

01:53:57.000 It's been a great thing.

01:53:59.000 Thank you.

01:54:00.000 President Biden?

01:54:00.000 It's been a terrible thing, what you've done.

01:54:03.000 The fact is that the vast majority of constitutional scholars supported Roe when it was decided.

01:54:08.000 Supported Roe.

01:54:09.000 And that's this idea that they're all against it. 0.98

01:54:12.000 It's just ridiculous.

01:54:14.000 And this is the guy who says the state should be able to have it. 0.59

01:54:16.000 We're in a state where in six weeks, you don't even know whether you're pregnant or not, but you cannot see a doctor and have him decide on what your circumstances are, whether you need help.

01:54:27.000 The idea that states are able to, a little like saying, we're going to turn civil rights back to the states.

01:54:33.000 Let each state have a different rule.

01:54:35.000 Look, there's so many young women who have been, including a young woman who just was murdered.

01:54:40.000 And he went to the funeral.

01:54:42.000 And the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming in.

01:54:48.000 They talk about that.

01:54:49.000 But here's the deal. 0.99

01:54:50.000 There's a lot of young women to be raped by their in-laws, by their spouses. 1.00

01:54:56.000 Brothers and sisters by just it's just ridiculous and they can do nothing about it and they try to arrest them on the cross state line. 0.95

01:55:04.000 Thank you.

01:55:06.000 There have been many young women murdered by the same people he allows to come across our border. 1.00

01:55:12.000 We have a border that's the most dangerous place anywhere in the world.

01:55:15.000 Consider, the most dangerous place anywhere in the world.

01:55:18.000 And he opened it up, and these killers are coming into our country. 1.00

01:55:21.000 And they are raping and killing women. 1.00

01:55:24.000 And it's a terrible thing. 0.99

01:55:25.000 As far as the abortion is concerned, it is now back with the states.

01:55:28.000 The states are voting.

01:55:30.000 In many cases, it's frankly a very liberal decision.

01:55:33.000 In many cases, it's the opposite.

01:55:35.000 But they're voting, and it's bringing it back to the vote of the people, which is what everybody wanted, including the founders, if they knew about this issue.

01:55:43.000 Which, frankly, they didn't.

01:55:45.000 But they would have... Everybody wanted it brought back.

01:55:47.000 Ronald Reagan wanted it brought back.

01:55:49.000 He wasn't able to get it.

01:55:51.000 Everybody wanted it brought back.

01:55:53.000 The president had tried to get it back.

01:55:56.000 I was the one to do it.

01:55:57.000 And again, this gives it the vote of the people, and that's where they wanted it.

01:56:01.000 Every legal scholar wanted it that way.

01:56:04.000 Staying on the topic of abortion, President Biden, seven states... I'll let you do that.

01:56:09.000 This is the same topic.

01:56:10.000 Seven states have no legal restrictions on how far into a pregnancy a woman can obtain an abortion. 0.75

01:56:18.000 Do you support any legal limits on how late a woman... Joe Biden literally just said more people get raped by their brothers and sisters than by illegal aliens.

01:56:27.000 First time is between a woman and a doctor. 0.80

01:56:30.000 Second time is between...

01:56:32.000 That's how it should be run.

01:56:32.000 That's what you're going to do.

01:56:34.000 between the doctor, I mean, between the woman and the state. 0.93

01:56:38.000 The idea that politicians, that the founders want the politicians to be the ones making decisions about women's health is ridiculous.

01:56:46.000 That's the last.

01:56:47.000 No politician should be making that.

01:56:49.000 A doctor should be making those decisions. 0.99

01:56:51.000 That's how it should be run.

01:56:52.000 That's what you're going to do.

01:56:54.000 And if I'm elected, I'm going to restore Roe v. Wade. 0.96

01:56:56.000 So that means he can take the life of the baby in the ninth month and even after birth, because some states Democrat-run ticket after birth Again, the governor, former governor of Virginia, put the baby down, then we decide what to do with it.

01:57:11.000 So he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month.

01:57:17.000 Oh my God, is he going to run away?

01:57:18.000 Nobody wants that to happen.

01:57:20.000 Is he going to walk off stage?

01:57:21.000 Nobody wants it to happen.

01:57:24.000 That is simply not true.

01:57:25.000 The Roe v. Wade does not provide for that.

01:57:28.000 That's not the circumstance.

01:57:30.000 Only if a woman's life is in danger, she's going to die. 1.00

01:57:32.000 That's the only circumstance in which that can happen.

01:57:34.000 But we are not for late-term abortion.

01:57:37.000 Period.

01:57:39.000 Under Roe v. Wade, you have late-term abortion. 0.97

01:57:42.000 You can do whatever you want, depending on the state.

01:57:44.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:57:46.000 We don't think that's a good thing.

01:57:47.000 We think it's a radical thing.

01:57:48.000 We think the Democrats are the radicals, not the Republicans.

01:57:52.000 For 51 years, that was the law.

01:57:54.000 51 years, Constitutional Scholarship said it was the right way to go.

01:57:56.000 51 years, and it was taken away because this guy put very conservative members on the Supreme Court.

01:58:03.000 He takes credit for taking it away.

01:58:04.000 What's he going to do?

01:58:07.000 If the MAGA Republicans, he gets elected, and the MAGA Republicans control the Congress, and they pass a universal ban on abortion, period. 0.63

01:58:16.000 Across the board.

01:58:17.000 At six weeks, or seven, or eight, or ten weeks.

01:58:19.000 Something very, very conservative.

01:58:21.000 If you're going to sign that bill, I'll veto it.

01:58:24.000 He'll sign it.

01:58:25.000 Thank you.

01:58:26.000 Let's turn now to the issue of immigration and border security.

01:58:28.000 President Biden, a record number of migrants have illegally crossed the southern border on your watch, overwhelming border states and overburdening cities such as New York and Chicago, and in some cases causing real safety and security concerns.

01:58:42.000 Given that, why should voters trust you to solve this crisis?

01:58:45.000 Because we worked very hard to get a bipartisan agreement that not only changed all of that, it made sure that we are in a situation where you had no circumstance where they could come across the border with the number of border police there are now.

01:58:59.000 We significantly increased the number of asylum officers.

01:59:02.000 Significantly.

01:59:03.000 By the way, the Border Patrol endorsed me, endorsed my position.

01:59:07.000 In addition to that, we find ourselves in a situation where, when he was president, he was separating babies from their mothers, putting them in cages, making sure the families were separated.

01:59:18.000 That's not the right way to go.

01:59:20.000 What I've done, since I've changed the law, what's happened?

01:59:23.000 I've changed it in a way that now you're in a situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the border illegally.

01:59:30.000 That's better than when he left office.

01:59:32.000 And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban.

01:59:38.000 I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence.

01:59:48.000 I don't think he knows what he said either.

01:59:49.000 Look, we have the safest border in the history of our country.

01:59:56.000 Can't hear it.

01:59:57.000 Why are they muting him?

01:59:58.000 Open up our border. 0.93

01:59:59.000 Open up our country.

01:59:59.000 Are they muting Trump?

02:00:00.000 People that are mental institutions, insane asylum, terrorists. 0.98

02:00:07.000 We have the largest number of terrorists coming into our country right now.

02:00:10.000 All terrorists all over the world, not just in South America, all over the world.

02:00:14.000 They come from the Middle East, everywhere, all over the world.

02:00:17.000 They're pouring in.

02:00:18.000 And this guy just left it open.

02:00:21.000 And he didn't need legislation, because I didn't have legislation.

02:00:24.000 I said, close the border.

02:00:25.000 We had the safest border in history.

02:00:27.000 In that final couple of months of my presidency, we had, according to Border Patrol, who is great, and by the way, who endorsed me for president, but I won't say that, but they endorsed me for president.

02:00:38.000 Brandon, just speak to him.

02:00:39.000 I love how he says, I won't say that.

02:00:41.000 But then he says it again.

02:00:42.000 Now we have the worst border in history.

02:00:44.000 There's never been anything like it.

02:00:45.000 And people are dying all over the place, including the people that are coming up in caravans.

02:00:50.000 Thank you, President Trump.

02:00:50.000 President Biden?

02:00:51.000 The only terrorist who's done anything crossing the border is one who came along and killed three in his administration.

02:00:58.000 Killed an al-Qaeda person in his administration.

02:01:02.000 Killed three American soldiers. 1.00

02:01:05.000 Oh my God, he's so brain dead. 0.68

02:01:08.000 I'm not saying that no terrorist ever got through with the idea that they're emptying their prisons. 0.95

02:01:12.000 We're welcoming these people.

02:01:14.000 That's simply not true.

02:01:15.000 There's no data to support what he said.

02:01:18.000 Once again, he's exaggerating.

02:01:19.000 He's lying.

02:01:21.000 President Trump, staying on the topic of immigration, you've said that you're going to carry out, quote, the largest domestic deportation operation in American history, unquote.

02:01:29.000 Does that mean that you will deport every undocumented immigrant in America, including those who have jobs, including those whose spouses are citizens, and including those who have lived here for decades?

02:01:39.000 And if so, how will you do it?

02:01:42.000 Just one second. 0.99

02:01:42.000 He said we kill three people. 0.99

02:01:45.000 The people we killed are al-Baghdadi and Salamani, the two greatest terrorists, biggest terrorists anywhere in the world.

02:01:52.000 And it had a huge impact on everything, not just border, on everything.

02:01:56.000 He's the one that killed people with the bad water, including hundreds of thousands of people. 0.85

02:02:05.000 We live in a rat's nest.

02:02:08.000 They're killing our people in New York, in California, in every state in the Union. 1.00

02:02:17.000 And because of his ridiculous, insane and very stupid policies, people are coming in and they're killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen. 1.00

02:02:26.000 We call it migrant crime. 1.00

02:02:28.000 I call it Biden migrant crime. 0.95

02:02:30.000 They're killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen before.

02:02:34.000 And you're reading it like these three incredible young girls over the last few days.

02:02:39.000 One of them, I just spoke to the mother, and he just had the funeral for this girl, 12 years old.

02:02:45.000 This is horrible what's taken place, what's happening in our country.

02:02:49.000 We're literally an uncivilized country now.

02:02:53.000 He doesn't want it to be, he just doesn't know.

02:02:55.000 He opened the borders, nobody's ever seen anything like it.

02:02:58.000 And we have to get a lot of these people out, and we have to get them out fast, because they're going to destroy our country.

02:03:03.000 Just take a look at where they're living.

02:03:05.000 They're living in luxury hotels, In New York City and other places, our veterans are on the street.

02:03:11.000 They're dying because he doesn't care about our veterans.

02:03:13.000 He doesn't care.

02:03:14.000 He doesn't like the military at all.

02:03:16.000 And he doesn't care about our veterans.

02:03:17.000 Nobody's been worse.

02:03:18.000 I had the highest approval rating for veterans taking care of the VA.

02:03:22.000 He has the worst.

02:03:23.000 He's gotten rid of all the things that I approved.

02:03:26.000 Choice that I got through Congress.

02:03:27.000 All of the different things.

02:03:29.000 We had by far the highest.

02:03:33.000 And now it's down in less than half because he's done all these great things that we did.

02:03:37.000 And I think he did it just because.

02:03:39.000 Thank you.

02:03:41.000 But he has killed so many people at our border by allowing all of these people to come in. 1.00

02:03:46.000 And it's a very sad day in America.

02:03:47.000 President Biden, you have the mic.

02:03:48.000 Every single thing he said is a lie.

02:03:51.000 Every single one.

02:03:52.000 For example, veterans are a hell of a lot better off since they passed the PACT Act. 0.77

02:03:56.000 One million of them now have insurance and their families have it.

02:04:00.000 their families have it because what happened, whether it was Asian Orange or burn pits, they're all being covered now.

02:04:06.000 And his group opposed that.

02:04:09.000 We're also in a situation where we have great respect for veterans.

02:04:12.000 My friend, my friend, I'm in Iraq, leaving one of the next one of those burn pits, came back with stage four glioblastoma.

02:04:18.000 I was recently in France for D-Day, and I spoke to all about those heroes that died.

02:04:26.000 I went to the World War II cemetery, World War I cemetery he refused to go to. 0.98

02:04:31.000 He was standing with his four-star general and he told me, he said, I don't want to go in there because they're a bunch of losers and suckers. 0.99

02:04:37.000 My son was not a loser, was not a sucker. 1.00

02:04:39.000 You're the sucker. 1.00

02:04:40.000 You're the loser. 1.00

02:04:41.000 President Trump? 1.00

02:04:43.000 First of all, that was a made-up quote. 1.00

02:04:45.000 Suckers and losers. 1.00

02:04:46.000 They made it up. 1.00

02:04:46.000 It was in a third-rate magazine that's failing, like many of these magazines. 1.00

02:04:51.000 He put it in commercial item.

02:04:54.000 We had 19 people that said I didn't say it.

02:04:56.000 And think of this.

02:04:57.000 Who would say I'm at a cemetery or I'm talking about our veterans?

02:05:01.000 Because nobody's taken better care.

02:05:03.000 I'm so glad this came up and he brought it up. 0.98

02:05:06.000 There's nobody that's taken better care of our soldiers than I have to think that I would infer generals and others say suckers and losers. 0.96

02:05:14.000 We have 19 people. 0.98

02:05:17.000 It was said by me.

02:05:19.000 It was made up by him.

02:05:20.000 Just like Russia, Russia, Russia was made up. 0.98

02:05:22.000 Just like the 51 intelligence agents are made up.

02:05:26.000 Just like the new thing with the 16 economists are talking.

02:05:29.000 It's the same thing.

02:05:31.000 51 intelligence agents said that the laptop was Russia disinformation.

02:05:35.000 It wasn't.

02:05:36.000 That came from his son, Hunter.

02:05:38.000 It wasn't Russia disinformation. 0.98

02:05:40.000 He made up the suckers and losers, so he should apologize to me right now. 0.97

02:05:45.000 Four-star general standing to your side who was on your staff who said you said it, period. 0.99

02:05:50.000 That's number one.

02:05:51.000 And number two, the idea, the idea that I have to apologize to you for anything along the line.

02:05:57.000 We've done more for veterans than any president has in American history.

02:06:00.000 American history.

02:06:02.000 And they now are in their family.

02:06:04.000 The only sacred obligation we have as a country is to care for our veterans when they come home and their families and equip them when they go to war.

02:06:11.000 That's what we're doing.

02:06:12.000 That's what the VA is doing now.

02:06:14.000 They're doing more for veterans than ever before in our history.

02:06:17.000 All right.

02:06:17.000 Thank you so much.

02:06:19.000 topic of foreign policy.

02:06:20.000 I want to begin with Russia's war against Ukraine, which is now-- You guys, breaking news right now.

02:06:26.000 The Trump war room account is actually being restricted right now on Twitter.

02:06:30.000 So this is pretty crazy.

02:06:32.000 As the debate is taking place, Twitter just restricted the Trump war room account.

02:06:36.000 And Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO.

02:06:41.000 Are Putin's terms acceptable to you?

02:06:43.000 First of all, our veterans and our soldiers can't stand this guy.

02:06:48.000 They can't stand him.

02:06:50.000 They think he's the worst commander-in-chief, if that's what you call him, that we've ever had.

02:06:54.000 They can't stand him.

02:06:55.000 So let's get that straight.

02:06:57.000 And they like me more than just about any of them.

02:07:00.000 And that's based on every single bit of information.

02:07:03.000 As far as Russia and Ukraine, if we had a real president, the president that was respected by Putin, he would have never invaded Ukraine.

02:07:13.000 A lot of people are dead right now, much more than people know.

02:07:16.000 You know, they talk about numbers.

02:07:18.000 You can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers.

02:07:21.000 He did nothing to stop it.

02:07:22.000 In fact, I think he encouraged Russia from going in.

02:07:25.000 I'll tell you what happened.

02:07:25.000 He was so bad with Afghanistan.

02:07:27.000 It was such a horrible embarrassment, most embarrassing moment in the history of our country that when Putin watched that and he saw the incompetence that he should he should have fired those generals like I fired the one that you mentioned.

02:07:40.000 And so he's got no love lost, but he should have fired those generals.

02:07:43.000 No general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, Afghanistan, where we left billions of beautiful soldiers and 38 soldiers were obliterated.

02:07:57.000 And by the way, we left people behind, too.

02:07:58.000 We left American citizens behind. 1.00

02:08:00.000 When Putin's go in and maybe take my this was his dream.

02:08:07.000 I talked to him about his dream.

02:08:09.000 The difference is he never would have invaded Ukraine.

02:08:13.000 Never.

02:08:14.000 Just like Israel would have never been invaded in a million years by Hamas. 0.92

02:08:20.000 You know why?

02:08:21.000 Because Iran was broke with me. 0.64

02:08:23.000 I wouldn't let anybody do business with them.

02:08:25.000 They ran out of money.

02:08:26.000 They were broke.

02:08:27.000 They had no money for Hamas. 0.59

02:08:28.000 They had no money for anything.

02:08:30.000 No money for terror.

02:08:31.000 That's why you had no terror at all during my administration.

02:08:35.000 This place, the whole world is blowing up under him.

02:08:39.000 President Biden?

02:08:41.000 Never heard so much malarkey in my whole life.

02:08:43.000 Look, the fact of the matter is that we're in a situation where... He's holding the lectern for dear life.

02:08:48.000 ...attacked American troops, caused brain damage for a number of these troops, and he did nothing about it when he was president.

02:08:57.000 Here they attacked.

02:08:58.000 He said, they're just having headaches.

02:09:00.000 That's all it is.

02:09:01.000 He didn't do a thing when the attack took place, number one.

02:09:05.000 Number two, We got over 100,000 Americans and others out of Afghanistan during that airlift.

02:09:13.000 Number three, we found ourselves in a situation where, if you take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine, he's, this guy, do whatever you want.

02:09:24.000 Whatever you want.

02:09:25.000 And that's exactly what Trump did.

02:09:28.000 To Putin.

02:09:29.000 Encourage him.

02:09:29.000 Do whatever you want.

02:09:31.000 And he went in.

02:09:31.000 Listen to what he said when he went in.

02:09:33.000 He was going to take Kiev in five days, remember?

02:09:35.000 Because it's part of the old Soviet Union.

02:09:37.000 That's what he wanted to re-establish.

02:09:40.000 Kiev.

02:09:40.000 And he, in fact, wasn't able to get it done.

02:09:44.000 And they've lost thousands and thousands of troops.

02:09:47.000 500,000 troops.

02:09:50.000 I never said that.

02:09:51.000 No, they're not acceptable.

02:09:53.000 No, they're not acceptable.

02:09:54.000 This is a war that never should have started.

02:09:57.000 If we had a leader in this war, he led everybody along.

02:09:59.000 in Ukraine.

02:09:59.000 No, they're not acceptable.

02:10:01.000 This is a war that never should have started.

02:10:04.000 If we had a leader in this war, he led everybody along.

02:10:08.000 He's given $200 billion now or more to Ukraine.

02:10:12.000 He's given $200 billion.

02:10:14.000 That's a lot of money.

02:10:15.000 I don't think there's ever been anything like it.

02:10:17.000 Every time that Zelensky comes to this country, he walks away with $60 billion.

02:10:21.000 He's the greatest salesman ever.

02:10:23.000 And I'm not knocking him.

02:10:24.000 I'm not knocking anything.

02:10:26.000 I'm only saying the money that we're spending on this war And we shouldn't be spending.

02:10:32.000 It should have never happened.

02:10:34.000 I will have that war settled between Putin and Zelensky as president-elect before I take office on January 20th.

02:10:41.000 I'll have that war settled. 0.94

02:10:43.000 People being killed so needlessly, so stupidly, and I will get it settled and I'll get it settled fast before I take office. 1.00

02:10:54.000 The fact is that Putin is a war criminal. 1.00

02:10:57.000 He's killed thousands and thousands of people. 0.98

02:11:00.000 And he has made one thing clear.

02:11:03.000 He wants to re-establish what was part of the Soviet Empire, not just a peace.

02:11:07.000 He wants all of Ukraine. 0.84

02:11:09.000 That's what he wants.

02:11:10.000 And then do you think he'll stop there?

02:11:11.000 Do you think he'll stop if he takes Ukraine?

02:11:15.000 What do you think happens to Poland?

02:11:16.000 What do you think of Belarus?

02:11:18.000 What do you think happens to those NATO countries?

02:11:20.000 And so if you want a war, you ought to find out what he's going to do, because if in fact he does what he says and walks away... By the way, all that money we give Ukraine, the weapons we make here in the United States, we give them the weapons, not the money at this point.

02:11:35.000 And our NATO allies have produced as much as we have.

02:11:41.000 That's why we're strong.

02:11:44.000 Thank you.

02:11:44.000 Moving on to the Middle East.

02:11:46.000 In October, ISIS attacked Israel, killing more than a thousand people and taking hundreds of hostages.

02:11:53.000 Among those held and thought to still be alive are five Americans.

02:11:57.000 Israel's response has killed thousands of Palestinians and created a humanitarian crisis.

02:12:03.000 President Biden, you've put forward a proposal to resolve this conflict, but so far Hamas has not released the remaining hostages and Israel is continuing its military offensive in Gaza.

02:12:17.000 So what additional leverage will you use to get Hamas and Israel to end the war?

02:12:23.000 You have two minutes.

02:12:24.000 Number one, everyone from the United Nations Security Council straight through the G7 to the Israelis and Netanyahu himself have endorsed the plan I put forward.

02:12:35.000 Endorsed the plan I put forward.

02:12:38.000 The first stage is to train the hostages for a ceasefire.

02:12:44.000 Second phase is a ceasefire with additional conditions.

02:12:47.000 The third phase is, no, the end of the war.

02:12:50.000 The only one who wants to leave is Hamas, number one. 0.99

02:12:54.000 They're the only ones standing out.

02:12:55.000 We're still pushing hard to get them to accept.

02:12:58.000 In the meantime, we're trying to, the only thing I've denied Israel was 2,000 pound bombs. 0.88

02:13:06.000 They don't work very well in populated areas.

02:13:08.000 They kill a lot of innocent people.

02:13:10.000 We're providing Israel with all By the way, I'm against Iran when they had a full-blown intercontinental ballistic missile attack on Israel. 0.99

02:13:23.000 No one was hurt.

02:13:24.000 No Israeli... producer of support for Israel of anyone in the world. 0.92

02:13:35.000 What?

02:13:37.000 What?

02:13:37.000 Did he just say that he's the biggest supporter of Israel?

02:13:39.000 We continue to send our experts and our intelligence people to how they can get them out like we do.

02:13:46.000 And by the way, what you've got to do is finish.

02:13:57.000 Yeah, go refresh it.

02:14:04.000 We're gonna refresh the CNN feed.

02:14:12.000 There's just so many people watching it.

02:14:13.000 Why doesn't he call them?

02:14:15.000 It's going to be refreshed in a moment in case it's lagging.

02:14:18.000 ... billions of dollars.

02:14:20.000 The secretary general of NATO said Trump did the most incredible job I've ever seen.

02:14:24.000 ... spent almost a year... ... reason that he can play games with NATO is because I got them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars.

02:14:41.000 I said, and he's right about this, I said, no, I'm not going to support NATO if you don't pay.

02:14:47.000 They asked me that question.

02:14:48.000 Would you guard us against Russia at a very secret meeting of the 28... And I said, no, if you don't pay, I won't do that. 0.55

02:14:58.000 And you know what happened?

02:15:00.000 Billions and billions of dollars came flowing in the next day and the next month.

02:15:05.000 But now we're in the same position.

02:15:07.000 We're paying everybody's bills.

02:15:09.000 Let's turn to the issue of democracy.

02:15:10.000 Former President Trump, I want to ask you about January 6, 2021.

02:15:15.000 After you rallied your supporters that day, some of them stormed the Capitol to stop the constitutionally mandated counting of electoral votes.

02:15:23.000 As president, you swore an oath to, quote, preserve, protect and defend, unquote, the Constitution.

02:15:28.000 What do you say to voters who believe that you violated that oath through your actions and inaction on January 6th and worry that you'll do it again?

02:15:35.000 Well, I don't think too many believe that and let me tell you about January 6th.

02:15:40.000 On January 6th, we had a great border.

02:15:42.000 Nobody coming through.

02:15:43.000 Very few.

02:15:45.000 On January 6th, we were energy independent.

02:15:47.000 On January 6th, we had the lowest taxes ever.

02:15:50.000 We had the lowest regulations ever.

02:15:52.000 On January 6th, we were respected all over the world.

02:15:55.000 All over the world, we were respected.

02:15:57.000 And then he comes in, and we're now left at. 1.00

02:16:00.000 We're like a bunch of stupid people. 0.99

02:16:02.000 What happened to the United States' reputation under this man's leadership is horrible, including weaponization, which I'm sure at some point you'll be talking about, where he goes after his political opponent because he can't beat him fair and square. 0.99

02:16:17.000 You have 87 left.

02:16:18.000 My question was, what do you say to those voters who believe that you violated your constitutional oath through your actions in action on January 6, 2021, and worry that you'll do it again?

02:16:28.000 Well, I didn't say that to anybody.

02:16:31.000 I said peacefully and patriotically.

02:16:33.000 And Nancy Pelosi, if you just watched the news from two days ago, on tape to her daughter, who is a documentary filmmaker, they say, Is he falling asleep? 1.00

02:16:43.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:16:44.000 It's my responsibility. 1.00

02:16:45.000 I was responsible for this because I offered her 10,000 soldiers or National Guard and she turned them down.

02:16:51.000 And the mayor of in writing, by the way, the mayor in writing turned it down.

02:16:55.000 The mayor of of D.C.

02:16:57.000 Is he falling asleep? 1.00

02:16:58.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:16:59.000 Because he's falling asleep. 0.99

02:17:01.000 Really nothing to do.

02:17:03.000 They asked me to go make a speech.

02:17:05.000 I could see what was happening.

02:17:06.000 Everybody was saying they're going to be there on January 6th.

02:17:09.000 They're going to be there.

02:17:09.000 And I said, you know what?

02:17:11.000 There's a lot of people coming.

02:17:12.000 You could feel it.

02:17:13.000 You could feel it, too.

02:17:14.000 And you could feel it.

02:17:15.000 And I said, they ought to have some National Guard or whatever.

02:17:18.000 And I offered it to her.

02:17:20.000 And she now admits that she turned it down. 0.90

02:17:23.000 And it was the same day she was, I don't know, he can't be very happy with her daughter because it made her into a liar.

02:17:29.000 She said, I take full responsibility for January 6th.

02:17:36.000 Look, he encouraged those folks to go up on Capitol Hill, number one.

02:17:40.000 I sat in the dining room off the Oval Office.

02:17:42.000 He sat there for three days, being begged by his vice president and a number of his colleagues on the Republican side as well to do something, to call for a stop, to end it.

02:17:55.000 Instead, he talked about these people being patriots and great patrons of America.

02:18:00.000 In fact, he says he'll now forgive them for what they've done.

02:18:04.000 They've been convicted.

02:18:08.000 And say that, no, he went to every single court in the nation.

02:18:13.000 I don't know how many cases, scores of cases, including the Supreme Court.

02:18:17.000 And they said, they said, no, no, this guy, this guy is responsible for doing what is being, what was done. 0.98

02:18:24.000 He did do a damn thing. 0.99

02:18:26.000 And these people should be in jail. 0.99

02:18:28.000 And they should be the ones who are being held accountable.

02:18:31.000 Send me a screenshot of the current... And now he says that he loses it again.

02:18:35.000 Such a whiner that he is.

02:18:36.000 That he could be a bloodbath. 0.96

02:18:38.000 Thank you, President Biden.

02:18:39.000 President Trump?

02:18:41.000 What they've done to some people that are so innocent, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

02:18:46.000 What you have done, how you've destroyed the lives of so many people.

02:18:49.000 When they ripped down Portland, when they ripped down many other cities.

02:18:55.000 You go to Minnesota, Minneapolis.

02:18:57.000 That's right, President Trump.

02:18:58.000 You stand up for those January 6thers. 0.99

02:19:00.000 If I didn't bring in the National Guard, that city would have been destroyed.

02:19:02.000 This is why I love President Trump!

02:19:04.000 When you look at all of the They took over big chunks of Seattle. 0.99

02:19:08.000 I was all set to bring in the National Guard.

02:19:10.000 They heard that.

02:19:10.000 They saw them coming and they left immediately.

02:19:14.000 What he said about this whole subject is so off.

02:19:18.000 Peacefully patriotic.

02:19:19.000 One other thing.

02:19:21.000 The unselect committee, which is basically two horrible Republicans that are all gone now and out of office, and Democrats, all Democrats, they destroyed and deleted all of the information they found because they found out we were right. 0.66

02:19:36.000 We were right.

02:19:37.000 And they deleted and destroyed all of the information.

02:19:39.000 They should go to jail for that.

02:19:41.000 If a Republican did that, they'd go to jail.

02:19:43.000 Thank you, President Trump.

02:19:44.000 President Biden, I want to give you a minute.

02:19:46.000 The only person on this stage who's a convicted felon is the man I'm looking at right now.

02:19:49.000 Wow!

02:19:50.000 The fact of the matter is, what he's telling you is simply not true.

02:19:55.000 The fact is that there was no effort on his part to stop what was going on up on Capitol Hill.

02:20:01.000 And all those people, every one of those who were convicted, deserves to be convicted.

02:20:06.000 The idea that they didn't kill somebody, just went in and broke down doors, broke the windows, occupied offices, turned over desks, Turn them over to statutes?

02:20:16.000 The idea that those people are patriots?

02:20:19.000 Come on.

02:20:20.000 When I asked him about the first two debates we had, the debates we had the first time around, I said, will you denounce the Proud Boys?

02:20:28.000 He said, no, I'll tell them to stand by.

02:20:30.000 The idea he's refusing, will you denounce these guys?

02:20:33.000 Will you denounce the people we're talking about now?

02:20:36.000 Will you denounce the people who attacked that Capitol?

02:20:39.000 What are you going to do?

02:20:42.000 I'm going to give you a minute, President Trump, for a follow-up question I have.

02:20:48.000 After a jury convicted you of 34 felonies last month, you said if re-elected you would, quote, have every right to go after, unquote, your political opponents.

02:20:56.000 You just talked about members of the Select Committee on January 6th going to jail.

02:21:01.000 Your main political opponent is standing on stage with you tonight.

02:21:04.000 Can you clarify exactly what it means about you feeling you have every right to go after your political opponents?

02:21:09.000 Well, I said my retribution is going to be success.

02:21:12.000 We're going to make this country successful again, because right now it's a failing nation.

02:21:16.000 My retribution is going to be success.

02:21:18.000 But when he talks about a convicted felon, his son is a convicted felon at a very high level.

02:21:23.000 His son is convicted, going to be convicted probably numerous other times.

02:21:26.000 He should have been convicted before, but his Justice Department let the statute of limitations lapse on the most important things.

02:21:33.000 But he could be a convicted felon as soon as he gets out of office.

02:21:36.000 Joe could be a convicted felon with all of the things that he's done.

02:21:40.000 He's done horrible things.

02:21:41.000 All of the death cause at the border, telling the Ukrainian people that we're going to want a billion dollars or you change the prosecutor.

02:21:49.000 Otherwise, you're not getting a billion dollars.

02:21:51.000 Have I ever said that?

02:21:53.000 That's quid pro quo.

02:21:54.000 That we're not going to do anything.

02:21:56.000 We're not going to give you a billion dollars unless you change your prosecutor. 1.00

02:22:00.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00

02:22:01.000 That's it. 1.00

02:22:03.000 His son is a convicted felon and he could be a convicted felon. 0.98

02:22:06.000 We have a system that was disgusting.

02:22:08.000 I did nothing wrong.

02:22:09.000 Thank you, President Trump.

02:22:10.000 President Biden, you have said, I'm coming right to you, sir.

02:22:14.000 You, well, you want to respond?

02:22:15.000 Go ahead.

02:22:15.000 I'll give you a minute to respond.

02:22:17.000 The idea that I did anything wrong relative to what you're talking about is outrageous.

02:22:22.000 It's simply a lie, number one.

02:22:24.000 Number two, the idea that you have a right to seek retribution against any American just because you're president is wrong.

02:22:32.000 It's simply wrong.

02:22:32.000 No president's ever spoken like that before.

02:22:35.000 No, President, in our history we've spoken like that before.

02:22:37.000 Number three, the crimes that you are still charged with, and think of all the civil penalties you have. 0.61

02:22:43.000 How many billions of dollars do you owe in civil penalties for molesting a woman in public, for doing a whole range of things, of having sex with a porn star on the night while your wife was pregnant?

02:22:56.000 I mean, what are you talking about? 0.99

02:22:58.000 You have the morals of an alley cat.

02:23:01.000 Do you have a minute, sir? 1.00

02:23:02.000 I didn't have sex with a porn star, number one. 0.84

02:23:05.000 Number two, that was a case that was started and moved.

02:23:08.000 They moved a high-ranking official, a DOJ, into the Manhattan DA's office to start that case.

02:23:14.000 That case is going to be appealed and won.

02:23:17.000 We had a very terrible judge, a horrible judge, Democrat. 1.00

02:23:22.000 The prosecutor were all high-ranking Democrats, appointed people, and both the civil And a criminal.

02:23:29.000 He basically went after his political opponent because he thought it was going to damage me.

02:23:34.000 But when the public found out about these cases, because they understand it better than he does.

02:23:37.000 He has no idea what these cases are.

02:23:39.000 But what he did when they found out about these cases, you know what they did?

02:23:42.000 My poll numbers went up way up.

02:23:44.000 You know that because you're reporting it.

02:23:46.000 And we took in more money in the last two weeks. 0.98

02:23:50.000 I didn't have sex with a porn star. 0.64

02:23:51.000 I don't think this is like this is this is a line.

02:23:54.000 Hundreds of millions of dollars.

02:23:56.000 Because the public knows it's a scam and it's a guy that's after his political opponent because you can't win fair and square.

02:24:04.000 Thank you, President Trump.

02:24:05.000 President Biden, you have said, quote, Donald Trump and his MAGA Republicans are determined to destroy American democracy.

02:24:12.000 Do you believe that the tens of millions of Americans who are likely to vote for President Trump will be voting against American democracy?

02:24:20.000 The more they know about what he's done, yes.

02:24:23.000 The more they know about what he's done.

02:24:25.000 And there's a lot more coming.

02:24:26.000 He's got a lot of cases down the road coming out.

02:24:29.000 He's got a whole range of issues he has to face.

02:24:33.000 I don't know what the juries will do, but I do know he has a real problem.

02:24:37.000 And so the fact that, could you ever think you'd hear any president say that I'm going to seek retribution?

02:24:43.000 You ever hear any president say that I thought Hitler had some good ideas?

02:24:47.000 What got me involved to run in the first place after my son had died, I decided in Iraq, because of Iraq, I said I wasn't going to run again. 0.98

02:24:54.000 until I saw torches and singing the same anti-Semitic bio they sang back in Germany.

02:25:06.000 And the young woman spoke to the mother, and they asked him, they said, what do you think of those people, the people who got killed, the one who tried to stop it, and the ones he said, I think.

02:25:18.000 Thank you.

02:25:31.000 He's a guy who says Hitler's done some good things. 0.98

02:25:34.000 To show the bingo card.

02:25:37.000 Good things Hitler's done, that's what he said.

02:25:39.000 This guy has no sense of American democracy.

02:25:42.000 We're refreshing the CNN feed again so that it stops glitching because this is the feed straight from CNN.

02:25:49.000 So it's not an issue on our end.

02:25:51.000 It's just, um, it's the CNN feed because we're streaming it directly into your mobile, so.

02:25:56.000 We're refreshing it right now.

02:25:57.000 But if you're playing along bingo, here's what the bingo card looks like.

02:26:00.000 He's not equipped to be president.

02:26:01.000 You know it and I know it. 0.99

02:26:02.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

02:26:02.000 We have a debate. 0.99

02:26:03.000 We're trying to justify his presidency.

02:26:06.000 His presidency, he's...

02:26:08.000 Without question, the worst president, the worst presidency in the history of our country.

02:26:13.000 We shouldn't be having a debate about it.

02:26:15.000 There's nothing to debate.

02:26:16.000 He made up the Charlottesville story.

02:26:18.000 And you'll see it's debunked all over the place.

02:26:21.000 Every anchor, every reasonable anchor has debunked it.

02:26:25.000 And just the other day, it came out where it was fully debunked.

02:26:29.000 A nonsense story.

02:26:33.000 Charlottesville.

02:26:33.000 He used that as an excuse to run.

02:26:36.000 President Biden?

02:26:36.000 And debunk.

02:26:37.000 It happened.

02:26:38.000 All you have to do is listen to what was said at the time.

02:26:41.000 And the idea that somehow that's the only reason I ran.

02:26:44.000 I ran because I was worried a guy like this guy could get elected.

02:26:47.000 If he thought they were good people coming out of that forest, carrying those woods, carrying those torches, then he didn't deserve to be president.

02:26:56.000 Didn't deserve to be president at all.

02:26:57.000 And the idea that he's talking about all this being fabricated.

02:27:02.000 We saw with our own eyes.

02:27:03.000 We saw what happened on January 6th.

02:27:04.000 Shouts into Mike.

02:27:05.000 We saw the people breaking through the windows.

02:27:07.000 Woohoo! 1.00

02:27:08.000 We got a bingo! 0.90

02:27:12.000 There we go.

02:27:12.000 Alright, send me a screenshot of that.

02:27:15.000 Let's see, are they looking at each other?

02:27:16.000 this time.

02:27:16.000 His vice president hasn't endorsed him this time.

02:27:19.000 So why?

02:27:20.000 Why they know him?

02:27:21.000 There we go.

02:27:22.000 Thank you, President Biden.

02:27:24.000 We're going to be right.

02:27:25.000 Send me a screenshot of that.

02:27:27.000 CNN presidential debate.

02:27:28.000 Let's see.

02:27:29.000 Are they looking at each other?

02:27:31.000 No, they weren't even shake hands.

02:27:32.000 All right.

02:27:35.000 We're on a commercial break right now.

02:27:44.000 But if you're following along with the bingo card, here's where we are.

02:27:48.000 We have a bingo right now, actually, so let's get it up on the screen.

02:27:52.000 We've been covering all the bingos.

02:27:54.000 So all right, here we go.

02:27:56.000 So we got a bingo on the front row.

02:27:59.000 Scranton Joe brain freezes, whispers into Mike, shouts into Mike, saved by fake tapper.

02:28:04.000 And then you see all these others.

02:28:05.000 We almost have another one.

02:28:07.000 So we need Joe Biden to fall down, and we need him to claim that he drives an 18-wheeler, or to use the term cheap fake, or he needs to touch his nose and can't find his way off stage.

02:28:21.000 So we could get a last minute bingo when he's exiting the stage if he can't figure it out.

02:28:25.000 So there we go.

02:28:26.000 And, uh, look!

02:28:28.000 It's pretty, uh, pretty impressive right there.

02:28:33.000 So if you're following along, that's what we have.

02:28:35.000 We got a bingo.

02:28:35.000 So send that to me.

02:28:36.000 to me.

02:28:36.000 Let's post that right now.

02:28:37.000 We got some interesting mic drop moments.

02:28:48.000 So when Joe Biden called President Trump a convicted felon and said he was on stage with a convicted felon, President Trump said, well, you know, your son is a convicted felon and you could be a convicted felon by the time you get out of office.

02:29:01.000 So that's really a mic drop moment.

02:29:03.000 It really reminds me of the yeah, because you'd be in prison comment from President Trump from 2016. 1.00

02:29:11.000 Someone said, bingo, Biden is a loser. 0.99

02:29:14.000 Yeah, we got bingo. 1.00

02:29:15.000 So bingo, Trump won.

02:29:17.000 We got it.

02:29:18.000 But we got a lot of really funny.

02:29:23.000 President Biden has a cold?

02:29:25.000 No way.

02:29:28.000 Two sources familiar with the situation says President Biden has a cold.

02:29:33.000 is they're actually tweeting this out right now.

02:29:35.000 Breaking news.

02:29:36.000 They're saying Joe Biden has a cold.

02:29:38.000 So cold is just code word for Alzheimer's.

02:29:43.000 And amphetamine cotton mouth. 0.98

02:29:48.000 Everyone knows what happens when you take Alzheimer's.

02:30:01.000 Look, everybody knows what happens when you take too much Adderall or Xanax, okay?

02:30:05.000 We all know people who are on Xanax or Adderall.

02:30:08.000 Maybe some of you have taken Xanax or Adderall.

02:30:10.000 I don't know.

02:30:11.000 But, you know, when you take a lot of Xanax or you take a lot of Adderall or, you know, any type of stimulant, you get something called cotton mouth, okay?

02:30:20.000 I don't know if any of you have ever had cotton mouth.

02:30:22.000 You can get it from smoking a lot of weed, too, okay?

02:30:26.000 And I'm not speaking from personal experience.

02:30:28.000 I'm just saying that I have been told that if you do this... Sources say.

02:30:34.000 Sources say.

02:30:35.000 No, I'm serious.

02:30:35.000 I'm not a drug user.

02:30:37.000 But I've been told that people who use a lot of Adderall or people who even take a lot of Xanax or people who smoke a lot of weed They have this thing called cotton mouth where you feel like your mouth is really dry and you start like slurring your words and not able to really speak properly.

02:30:53.000 That's what's going on with Joe Biden.

02:30:54.000 I'm not saying that he smokes a lot of weed, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pumped him with a bunch of Adderall.

02:31:00.000 Really, a lot of medications have that side effect.

02:31:03.000 It's not even just stimulants, okay?

02:31:04.000 It's not just Adderall or Xanax.

02:31:05.000 But one of the most common side effects of a lot of medications, especially dementia medications, is a dry mouth.

02:31:13.000 Like, you feel like you have to constantly cough and you've got a dry mouth.

02:31:17.000 So, we're coming back to the debate now.

02:31:19.000 Let's talk about persistent challenges you both faced in your first terms and you'd certainly face again in a second term.

02:31:27.000 President Biden, while black unemployment dropped to a record low under your presidency, black families still far less than white families.

02:31:36.000 Black mothers are still three times more likely to die for pregnancy-related causes, and black Americans are imprisoned at five times the rate of white Americans.

02:31:48.000 What do you say to black voters who are disappointed that you haven't made more progress?

02:31:52.000 Technology made a lot of progress, number one.

02:31:55.000 The fact of the matter is there are more small black businesses that have been started than any time in history.

02:32:00.000 Number two, the wages of black, black unemployment is the lowest level it's been in a long, long time.

02:32:07.000 Number three, we're trying to provide housing for black Americans and dealing with the segregation that exists among these corporate, these corporate races that collude to keep up people out of their houses.

02:32:21.000 Oh my gosh, it's so awful.

02:32:22.000 In addition to that, we find that the impact of the choice that black families have to make relative to child care When we did the first major piece of legislation in the past, I was able to reduce black child care costs. 0.95

02:32:43.000 I cut them in half, in half.

02:32:45.000 We've got to make sure we provide for child care costs. 0.96

02:32:47.000 We've got to make sure because when you provide that child care protections, you increase economic growth because more people can be in the job market.

02:32:57.000 So there's more to be done, considerably more to be done.

02:33:00.000 But we've done a great deal so far and I'm not letting up and they know it.

02:33:04.000 You have 49 seconds left.

02:33:07.000 What do you say to black voters who are disappointed with the progress so far?

02:33:11.000 I say I don't blame them for being disappointed.

02:33:13.000 Inflation is still hurting them badly.

02:33:16.000 For example, I provided for the idea that any black family first-time homebuyer should get a $10,000 tax credit to be able to buy their first home so they can get started.

02:33:27.000 I made sure that we're in a situation where all those black families and those black individuals who provided had to take out student loans that were ballooning, that if they were engaged in nursing, and anything having to do with volunteerism, if they paid their bills for 10 years on their student debt, all the rest was forgiven after 10 years. 0.98

02:33:48.000 Minutes have benefited from that.

02:33:50.000 And we're going to do a whole lot more for black families.

02:33:54.000 Thank you.

02:33:55.000 President Trump?

02:33:55.000 And he caused the inflation.

02:33:57.000 He's blaming inflation.

02:33:59.000 And he's right.

02:34:00.000 It's been very bad.

02:34:01.000 He caused the inflation. 0.95

02:34:02.000 And it's killing black families and Hispanic families and just about everybody. 0.98

02:34:07.000 It's killing people. 1.00

02:34:08.000 They can't buy groceries anymore.

02:34:10.000 They can't.

02:34:11.000 You look at the cost of food.

02:34:12.000 They can't live.

02:34:16.000 They're not living anymore.

02:34:17.000 He caused this inflation.

02:34:19.000 I gave him a country with no, essentially no inflation.

02:34:23.000 It was perfect.

02:34:24.000 It was so good.

02:34:25.000 All he had to do is leave it alone.

02:34:26.000 He destroyed it with his Green News scam and all of the other, all this money that's being thrown out the window. 0.56

02:34:32.000 He caused inflation. 0.84

02:34:34.000 As sure as you're sitting there, the fact is that his big kill on the black people is the millions of people that he's allowed to come in through the border. 0.89

02:34:44.000 They're taking black jobs now, and it could be 18, it could be 19, and even 20 million people. 0.99

02:34:50.000 This is crazy. 0.94

02:34:51.000 They're taking black jobs, and they're taking Hispanic jobs, and you haven't seen it yet, but you're gonna see something that's gonna be the worst in our history. 0.98

02:34:58.000 Thank you. 0.97

02:34:59.000 President Biden?

02:35:00.000 There was no inflation.

02:35:03.000 You know why?

02:35:04.000 The economy was flat on its back.

02:35:07.000 15% unemployment.

02:35:08.000 He decimated the economy.

02:35:12.000 That's why there was no inflation at the time.

02:35:14.000 There were no jobs.

02:35:16.000 We provided thousands of millions of jobs for individuals who are involved communities, including minority communities.

02:35:22.000 We made sure that they have health insurance.

02:35:24.000 We have covered with the ACA has increased.

02:35:27.000 I made sure that they're $8,000 per person in the family to get written off in health care.

02:35:33.000 But this guy wants to eliminate that.

02:35:34.000 They tried 50 times.

02:35:36.000 He wants to get rid of the ACA again.

02:35:38.000 And they're going to try again if they win.

02:35:40.000 You find ourselves in a position where the idea that we're not doing it, I put more, we put more police on the street than any administration has.

02:35:50.000 He wants to cut the cops.

02:35:51.000 We're providing for equity, equity and making sure people have a shot to make it.

02:35:57.000 There's a lot going on, but inflation, he caused it by his tremendous malfeasance in the way he handled the pandemic.

02:36:06.000 Thank you.

02:36:06.000 Another persistent challenge is the climate crisis.

02:36:09.000 2023 is the hottest year in recorded history, and communities across the country are confronting the devastating effects of extreme heat, intensifying wildfires, stronger hurricanes, and rising sea levels.

02:36:23.000 Former President Trump, you've vowed to end your opponents' climate initiatives, but will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis?

02:36:36.000 How close the police are to him.

02:36:38.000 Almost every police group in the nation, from every... Trump.

02:36:45.000 Almost every police group. 0.91

02:36:47.000 And what he's done to the black population is horrible, including the fact that for 10 years he called them super predators.

02:36:53.000 We can't, in the 1990s, we can't forget that.

02:36:55.000 Super Predators was his name, and he called it to them, and they've taken great offense at it, and now they see it happening.

02:37:02.000 But when they see what I did for criminal justice reform and for the historically black colleges and universities, where I funded them and got them all funded and the Opportunity Zones with with Tim, as you know, Tim Scott was incredible.

02:37:16.000 He did a great job.

02:37:17.000 Great senator from South Carolina.

02:37:19.000 He came to me with the idea and it was a great idea.

02:37:22.000 It's one of the most successful economic development acts ever in the country.

02:37:26.000 Opportunity Zones.

02:37:27.000 And the biggest beneficiary are blacks. 1.00

02:37:29.000 And that's why we have the best numbers with them in maybe ever.

02:37:35.000 They're saying ever.

02:37:35.000 I read this morning where ever the best numbers he's lost.

02:37:42.000 Because he's done a horrible job for black people. 0.99

02:37:44.000 He's also done a horrible job for Hispanics. 0.98

02:37:47.000 But when you see these millions of people pouring into our country and they're going to take the jobs and it's already started and you haven't seen anything yet. 1.00

02:37:55.000 It's a disaster.

02:37:57.000 Thirty-eight seconds left.

02:37:58.000 President Trump, will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis?

02:38:03.000 So I want absolutely clean water and I want absolutely clean air.

02:38:10.000 And we had it.

02:38:11.000 We had H2O.

02:38:12.000 We had the best numbers ever.

02:38:14.000 And we did.

02:38:16.000 We were using all forms of energy.

02:38:19.000 All forms.

02:38:19.000 Everything.

02:38:20.000 And yet, during my four years, I had the best environmental numbers ever.

02:38:26.000 And my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before I walked on the stage, actually.

02:38:32.000 I don't know where the hell he's been.

02:38:34.000 The idea that he said is true. 0.67

02:38:38.000 I passed the most extensive, most extensive climate change legislation in history.

02:38:44.000 In history.

02:38:45.000 We find ourselves, and by the way, black colleges, I came up with $15 billion for HBCUs, Historic Black Universities and Colleges, because they don't have those. 0.92

02:38:55.000 They don't have the kind of contributors that they have to build these laboratories and the like.

02:39:00.000 Any black student is capable in college of doing what any white student can do.

02:39:04.000 They just have the money, but now they'll be able to get those jobs in high tech. 0.62

02:39:08.000 We're in a situation where the idea that he is claiming to have done something that had the cleanest water, the cleanest water, He hadn't done a damn thing with the environment.

02:39:20.000 He, out of the Paris Peace Accord, Climate Accord, I immediately joined it.

02:39:25.000 Because if we reheat to 1.5 degrees Celsius at any one point, there's no way back.

02:39:30.000 The only existential threat to humanity is climate change.

02:39:33.000 And he didn't do a damn thing about it.

02:39:35.000 He must undo all that I've done.

02:39:38.000 The Paris Accord was going to cost us a trillion dollars.

02:39:41.000 And China, nothing. 0.69

02:39:42.000 And Russia, nothing. 0.73

02:39:43.000 And India, nothing. 0.98

02:39:45.000 It was a ripoff of the United States. 0.53

02:39:47.000 And I ended it because I didn't want to waste that money because they treat us horribly.

02:39:52.000 We were the only ones.

02:39:53.000 It was costing us money.

02:39:54.000 Nobody else was paying into it.

02:39:55.000 And it was a disaster.

02:39:58.000 But everything that he said just now, I'll give you an example.

02:40:00.000 I heard him say before.

02:40:01.000 I'm the one that got the insulin down for the seniors.

02:40:05.000 I took care of the seniors.

02:40:06.000 What he's doing is destroying all of our medical programs because the migrants coming in, they want everybody. 1.00

02:40:13.000 And look, I have the biggest heart on the stage, I guarantee you that.

02:40:16.000 And I want to take care of people.

02:40:18.000 But we're destroying our country.

02:40:20.000 They're taking over our schools, our hospitals, and they're going to be taking over Social Security.

02:40:24.000 He is destroying it.

02:40:31.000 The idea is that we were the only ones of consequence who were not members of the Paris Accord.

02:40:41.000 How can we do anything?

02:40:43.000 The United States can't get this pollution under control.

02:40:46.000 We're one of the largest polluters in the world, number one.

02:40:49.000 We're making significant progress.

02:40:51.000 By 2035, we will have cut pollution in half.

02:40:54.000 We have made significant progress and we're continuing to make progress.

02:40:58.000 We set up a climate corps where thousands of young people will learn how to deal with climate, just like the Peace Corps.

02:41:05.000 We're moving in directions that are going to significantly change the elements of cause of pollution.

02:41:11.000 But the idea that he claims that he has the biggest heart up here and he's really concerned about pollution and about climate, I've not seen any indication of that.

02:41:22.000 And by the way, with regard to prescription drugs, one company reduced the price to $35, which I was calling for, voluntarily.

02:41:34.000 I made sure every company in the world, every pharmaceutical company, cannot have to pay me.

02:41:38.000 Thank you.

02:41:39.000 And by the way, So every day, millions of Americans struggle just to make ends meet.

02:41:45.000 For many older Americans, Social Security provides a critical lifeline.

02:41:49.000 President Biden, if nothing is done to Social Security, seniors will see their benefits cut in just over 10 years.

02:41:57.000 Will you name tonight one specific step that you're willing to take to keep Social Security solvent?

02:42:02.000 Yes, make the very wealthy pay their fair share.

02:42:06.000 Right now, everybody making under $170,000 pays 6% of their income, of their paycheck, every single time they get a paycheck from the time the first one they get when they're 18 years old.

02:42:18.000 The idea that they're going to... Everybody, they pay... The millionaires pay 1%, 1%.

02:42:27.000 So no one after... I've not raised the cost of Social Security for...

02:42:32.000 Thousand dollars.

02:42:33.000 After that, I began to make the wealthy to pay their fair share by increasing from 1% on to be able to program for life.

02:42:41.000 So you still have 82 seconds left.

02:42:43.000 Are there any other measures that you think that would be able to help keep Social Security solvent?

02:42:48.000 Or is just is that one enough?

02:42:49.000 Well, no, that one enough will keep it solvent.

02:42:51.000 But the biggest thing I'll do if we defeat this man, because he wants to get rid of Social Security.

02:42:57.000 He thinks there's plenty to cut in Social Security.

02:42:59.000 He's going to cut Social Security and Medicare both times.

02:43:06.000 The House Republican Caucus that he supports is in fact wanting to cut it as well. 0.84

02:43:12.000 The idea that we don't need to protect our seniors is ridiculous.

02:43:17.000 And by the way, the American public has greater health care coverage today than ever before.

02:43:24.000 And on the ACA, as I said, you're in a circumstance where 400,000 people, I mean 40 million people, would not have insurance because they have a preexisting condition.

02:43:34.000 Only thing that allows them to have that insurance is the fact that they, in fact, are part of the ACA.

02:43:41.000 And by the way, the other thing is, we're in a situation where I talk about education for black communities.

02:43:46.000 I've raised the number, the amount of money for Pell Grants, another $8,000.

02:43:51.000 Anybody making under $70,000 a year is going to be able to get $15,000 towards their tuition.

02:43:59.000 He just doesn't know what he's talking about.

02:44:01.000 Thank you President Biden.

02:44:02.000 President Trump?

02:44:03.000 So I've dealt with politicians all my life.

02:44:06.000 I've been on this side of the equation for the last eight years.

02:44:11.000 I've never seen anybody lie like this guy.

02:44:14.000 He lies.

02:44:14.000 I've never seen that he can look you in the face.

02:44:16.000 About so many other things too.

02:44:19.000 And we mentioned the laptop.

02:44:20.000 We mentioned Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.

02:44:24.000 Everything he does is a lie.

02:44:26.000 It's misinformation and disinformation. 1.00

02:44:29.000 The losers and suckers story that he made up is a total lie on the military. 1.00

02:44:34.000 It's a disgrace. 0.98

02:44:35.000 But Social Security, he's destroying it because millions of people are pouring into our country and they're putting them onto Social Security.

02:44:43.000 They're putting them onto Medicare, Medicaid.

02:44:45.000 They're putting In the place of our citizens that they're doing. 0.84

02:44:52.000 Veterans are living in the street and these people are living in luxury hotels.

02:44:57.000 He doesn't know what he's doing and it's really coming back.

02:45:00.000 I've never seen such anger in our country.

02:45:04.000 President Biden.

02:45:05.000 The idea that veterans are not being taken care of, I told you before. 0.98

02:45:09.000 By the way, when I said suckers and losers, he said he acknowledged after that he fired that general. 0.98

02:45:15.000 That general fired because he's the one that acknowledged that that's what he said. 0.98

02:45:19.000 He was the one standing with Trump when he said it, number one.

02:45:22.000 Number two, that we're going to be in a situation where millions and millions, the way he talks about it, illegal aliens are coming into the country and taking away our jobs. 0.76

02:45:34.000 There's a reason why we have the fastest growing economy in the world, the reason why we have the most successful economy in the world.

02:45:40.000 We're doing better than any other nation in the world.

02:45:43.000 And by the way, those 15 Nobel laureates he talked about being phony, those 15 Nobel laureates, economists, they all said that if Trump is reelected, we're elected to have a recession and inflation is going to increase and go up.

02:45:57.000 And by the way, worst president in history, 159 presidential scholars voted him the worst president in the history of the United States of America.

02:46:05.000 President Biden, thank you so much.

02:46:06.000 Let's turn to the cost of child care, which many American families struggle to afford.

02:46:10.000 President Trump, both you and President Biden have tried to address this issue, but the average cost of child care in this country has risen to more than $11,000 a year per child.

02:46:20.000 For many families, the cost of child care for two children is more than their rent.

02:46:25.000 In your second term, what would you do to make child care more affordable?

02:46:30.000 Just to go back, the general got fired because he was no good.

02:46:34.000 And if he said that, that's why he made it up.

02:46:36.000 But we have 19 people that said I didn't say it, and they're very highly respected, much more so than him.

02:46:42.000 The other thing is, he doesn't fire people.

02:46:46.000 He never fired people.

02:46:47.000 I've never seen him fire anybody.

02:46:48.000 I did fire a lot.

02:46:49.000 I fired Comey because he was no good.

02:46:50.000 I fired a lot of the top people at the FBI, drained the swamp.

02:46:54.000 They were no good.

02:46:55.000 Not easy to fire people.

02:46:56.000 You pay a price for it.

02:46:57.000 But they were no good.

02:46:58.000 I inherited these people.

02:46:59.000 I didn't put him there.

02:47:00.000 I didn't put Comey there.

02:47:01.000 He was no good.

02:47:02.000 I fired him.

02:47:03.000 This guy hasn't fired anybody.

02:47:05.000 He never fires.

02:47:06.000 He should have fired every military man that was involved with that Afghan, the Afghanistan horror show, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. 1.00

02:47:17.000 He didn't fire.

02:47:17.000 Did you fire anybody?

02:47:19.000 Did you fire anybody that's on the border, that's allowed us to have the worst border in the history of the world? 0.59

02:47:23.000 Did anybody get fired for allowing 18 million people, many from prisons, many from mental institutions? 0.98

02:47:31.000 Did you fire anybody that allowed our country to be destroyed?

02:47:35.000 Joe, our country is being destroyed as you and I sit up here and waste a lot of time on this debate.

02:47:40.000 This shouldn't be a debate. 0.91

02:47:42.000 He is the worst president.

02:47:43.000 He just said it about me because I said it. 0.99

02:47:46.000 But look, he's the worst president in the history of our country.

02:47:49.000 He's destroyed our country.

02:47:51.000 Now, all of a sudden, he's trying to get a little tough on the border.

02:47:53.000 He came out with a I don't think we just can't let it happen.

02:47:56.000 If he wins this election, our country doesn't have a chance.

02:47:59.000 It's insignificant.

02:48:01.000 He wants open borders.

02:48:02.000 He wants our country to either be destroyed or he wants to pick up those people as voters.

02:48:08.000 And I don't think we just can't let it happen.

02:48:11.000 If he wins this election, our country doesn't have a chance, not even a chance of coming out of this rut.

02:48:19.000 We probably won't have a country left anymore.

02:48:22.000 That's how bad it is.

02:48:23.000 He's the worst in history by far.

02:48:25.000 Thank you, President Trump.

02:48:26.000 President Biden?

02:48:27.000 We're the most admired country in the world.

02:48:29.000 We're the United States of America.

02:48:31.000 There's nothing beyond our capacity.

02:48:33.000 We have the finest military in the history of the world.

02:48:36.000 The finest in the history of the world.

02:48:38.000 No one thinks we're weak.

02:48:40.000 No one wants to screw around with us.

02:48:41.000 Nobody.

02:48:42.000 Number one.

02:48:43.000 Number two, the idea that we're talking about worst presidents.

02:48:47.000 I wasn't joking.

02:48:48.000 Look it up or go online.

02:48:50.000 159 or 158, don't hold me to the exact number, presidential historians.

02:48:55.000 They've had meetings and they voted.

02:48:57.000 Who's the worst president in American history?

02:49:00.000 Best to worst.

02:49:01.000 They said he was the worst in all of American history.

02:49:05.000 That's a fact.

02:49:06.000 That's not conjecture.

02:49:08.000 You can argue they're wrong, but that's what they voted.

02:49:10.000 The idea that he is doing anything to deal with child care.

02:49:15.000 He did virtually nothing to childcare.

02:49:17.000 We should significantly increase the childcare tax credit.

02:49:20.000 We should significantly increase the availability of women and men, of single parents, to be able to go back to work.

02:49:27.000 And we should encourage businesses to hold, to have... Thank you, President Biden.

02:49:31.000 President Trump, the question was about what would you do to make childcare more affordable, if you want to take your minute.

02:49:36.000 Yes, you understand.

02:49:38.000 We have polling.

02:49:39.000 We have other things that they rate him the worst because what he's done is so bad.

02:49:44.000 And they rate me.

02:49:45.000 I'll show you.

02:49:46.000 I will show you.

02:49:46.000 And they rate me one of the best.

02:49:48.000 OK.

02:49:49.000 And if I'm given another four years, I will be the best.

02:49:52.000 I think I'll be the best.

02:49:54.000 Nobody's ever He created an economy like us.

02:49:57.000 Nobody ever cut taxes like us.

02:49:59.000 He's the only one I know.

02:50:00.000 He wants to raise your taxes by four times.

02:50:03.000 He wants to raise everybody's taxes by four times.

02:50:06.000 He wants the Trump tax cuts to expire.

02:50:08.000 So everybody, including the two of you, are going to pay four to five times.

02:50:12.000 Nobody ever heard of this before.

02:50:13.000 All my life, I'd grow up and I'd see politicians talking about cutting taxes.

02:50:17.000 When we cut taxes, as I said, we did more business.

02:50:21.000 Apple and all these companies, they were bringing money back into our country.

02:50:26.000 The worst president in history by far, and everybody knows it.

02:50:29.000 President Biden?

02:50:30.000 Look, the fact of the matter is that he's dead wrong about, he's increased the tariff, he's increased, he will increase the taxes on middle class people.

02:50:40.000 I said I'd never raise a tax on anybody making less than $400,000.

02:50:44.000 I didn't.

02:50:45.000 But this tariff, this 10% tariff, everything coming into the country, you know what the economists say?

02:50:49.000 That's going to cost the average American $2,500 a year more because they're going to have to pay the difference in food and all the things that are very important.

02:50:59.000 Number two, he's in a situation where he talks about how he has not raised he somehow helped the middle class.

02:51:09.000 Middle class have been devastated by you.

02:51:09.000 The middle class has been devastated by you.

02:51:11.000 Now you want a new tax cut of $5 trillion over the next 10 years, which is going to fundamentally bankrupt the country.

02:51:18.000 You have the largest deficit of any president in American history, number one.

02:51:22.000 Number two, you have not, in fact, made any contact, any progress with China.

02:51:29.000 We are the lowest trade deficit with China since 2010.

02:51:33.000 Thank you, President Biden.

02:51:34.000 Thank you, President Biden.

02:51:35.000 Let's discuss an epidemic impacting millions of Americans that both of you have made a top priority in your first term, the opioid crisis.

02:51:44.000 And for both of you, the number of overdose deaths in this country has gone up.

02:51:49.000 Under your term, it went up.

02:51:51.000 Under your term, it has gone up.

02:51:53.000 Former President Trump, despite the efforts that both of you have made, more than 100,000 Americans are dying from overdoses every year, primarily from fentanyl and other opioids.

02:52:02.000 What will you do to help Americans right now in the throes of addiction who are struggling to get the treatment they need?

02:52:08.000 To finish up...

02:52:11.000 We now have the largest deficit in the history of our country under this guy.

02:52:15.000 We have the largest deficit with China.

02:52:18.000 He gets paid by China.

02:52:19.000 He's a Manchurian candidate.

02:52:21.000 He gets money from China.

02:52:22.000 So I think he's afraid to deal with them or something.

02:52:25.000 But do you notice he never took out my tariffs because we bring in so much money with the tariffs that I imposed on China.

02:52:31.000 He never took them away.

02:52:32.000 He can't because it's too much money.

02:52:34.000 It's tremendous.

02:52:35.000 And we saved our steel industries and there was more to come.

02:52:38.000 But he hasn't done that.

02:52:39.000 But he hasn't cut the tariffs because he can't, because it's too much money.

02:52:43.000 But he's got the largest deficit in the history of our country, and he's got the worst situation with China.

02:52:51.000 China's going to own us if you keep allowing them to do what they're doing to us as a country. 1.00

02:52:56.000 They are killing us as a country, Joe, and you can't let that happen.

02:53:00.000 You're destroying our country.

02:53:02.000 So, President Trump, you have 67 seconds left.

02:53:04.000 The question was, what are you going to do to help Americans in the throes of addiction right now who are struggling to get the treatment they need?

02:53:11.000 Jake, we were doing very well at addiction until the COVID came along.

02:53:15.000 The two and a half, almost three years, like nobody's ever had before, any country, in every way.

02:53:20.000 And then we had to get tough.

02:53:22.000 And it was the drugs pouring across the border were, It started to increase.

02:53:28.000 We got great equipment.

02:53:29.000 We bought the certain dog that's the most incredible thing that you've ever seen, the way they can spot it.

02:53:34.000 We did a lot.

02:53:35.000 And we had, we were getting very low numbers, very, very low numbers.

02:53:39.000 Then he came along.

02:53:40.000 The numbers, have you seen the numbers now?

02:53:43.000 It's not only the 18 million people that I believe is even low because they, the gotaways, they don't even talk about gotaways.

02:53:50.000 But the numbers of the amount of drugs and human trafficking in women.

02:53:55.000 Coming across our border.

02:53:57.000 The worst thing I've ever seen.

02:53:59.000 At numbers that nobody's ever seen under him because the border is so bad.

02:54:03.000 But the number of drugs coming across our border now is the largest we've ever had by far.

02:54:11.000 Fentanyl and bi-partisan fentanyl went down for a while.

02:54:15.000 And I wanted to make sure we use the machinery that can detect fentanyl.

02:54:19.000 These big machines that roll over everything that comes across the border.

02:54:22.000 And it cost a lot of money.

02:54:24.000 That was part of this deal we put together.

02:54:26.000 This bi-partisan deal.

02:54:27.000 More fentanyl machines, more being able to detect drugs, more numbers of agents, more numbers of all the people at the border.

02:54:37.000 And when we had that deal done, he called his Republican colleagues and said, don't do it.

02:54:43.000 It's going to hurt me politically.

02:54:45.000 He never argued it's not a good bill.

02:54:47.000 It's a really good bill.

02:54:48.000 We need those machines.

02:54:50.000 We need those machines.

02:54:52.000 And we're coming down very hard in every country in Asia in terms of precursors for fentanyl.

02:54:57.000 And Mexico is working with us to make sure they don't have the technology to be able to put it together. 0.91

02:55:02.000 That's what we have to do.

02:55:03.000 We need those machines.

02:55:05.000 Thank you, President Biden.

02:55:06.000 President Trump, and again, the question is about Americans in the throes of addiction right now, struggling to get the treatment they need.

02:55:13.000 This, because this does pertain to it.

02:55:15.000 He ended remain in Mexico.

02:55:17.000 He ended catch-and-release.

02:55:19.000 I made a catch-and-release in Mexico, not catch-and-release here.

02:55:22.000 We had so many things that we had done.

02:55:24.000 Hard negotiations with Mexico, and I got it all for nothing. 1.00

02:55:28.000 It's just like when you have a hostage.

02:55:29.000 We always pay $6 billion for a hostage.

02:55:32.000 Every time we say it's a hostage.

02:55:33.000 Now we have a hostage, a Wall Street Journal reporter.

02:55:37.000 I think a good guy.

02:55:38.000 And he's over there because Putin is laughing at this guy, probably asking for billions of dollars for the reporter.

02:55:45.000 I will have him out very quickly.

02:55:48.000 As soon as I take office, before I take office, I said by literally as soon as I win the election, I will have that reporter out.

02:55:57.000 He should have had him out a long time ago.

02:55:58.000 But Putin's probably asking for billions and billions of dollars because this guy pays it every time.

02:56:04.000 We had two cases.

02:56:05.000 We paid six billion dollars for five people.

02:56:07.000 I got 58 people out and I paid essentially nothing.

02:56:11.000 Thank you, President Trump.

02:56:12.000 Dana, let's turn to concerns that voters have about each of you.

02:56:17.000 President Biden, you would be 86 at the end of your second term.

02:56:22.000 How do you address concerns about your capability to handle the toughest job in the world well into your 80s?

02:56:30.000 Well, first of all, I spent half my career being criticized being the youngest person in politics.

02:56:37.000 I was the second youngest person ever elected to the United States Senate, and now I'm the oldest.

02:56:42.000 This guy's three years younger and a lot less competent.

02:56:45.000 I think that just look at the record.

02:56:47.000 Look at what I've done.

02:56:47.000 Look how I've turned around the horrible situation he left me.

02:56:51.000 As I said, 15 million new jobs, 800,000 manufacturing jobs, more investment in America, over millions, billions of dollars in private investment in enterprises that we are growing.

02:57:03.000 We, by the way, we brought off a lot of people, the whole idea of computer chips.

02:57:08.000 We used to have 40% of the market.

02:57:10.000 We invented those chips and we lost it because he was sending people to find the cheapest jobs overseas and to bring home a product.

02:57:19.000 So I went to South Korea.

02:57:21.000 I convinced Samsung to invest billions of dollars here in the United States.

02:57:26.000 And guess what?

02:57:28.000 Those fabs they call to build these ships, those fabs pay over $100,000.

02:57:33.000 You don't need a college degree for them.

02:57:36.000 And there's billions, about $40 billion already being invested and being built right now in the United States, creating significant jobs for Americans from all over the world.

02:57:47.000 President Biden, you have 40 seconds left.

02:57:49.000 Would you like to add anything?

02:57:50.000 Yeah, I would.

02:57:52.000 The idea that somehow we are this failing country, We're the envy of the world.

02:58:01.000 Maybe a single major country president wouldn't trade places with the United States of America for all our problems and all our opportunities.

02:58:09.000 We're the most progressive country in the world in getting things done.

02:58:13.000 We're the strongest country in the world.

02:58:14.000 We're a country in the world who keeps our word and everybody trusts us, all of our allies and those who he coddles up to from Kim Jong-un, who he sends love letters to and Putin, etc.

02:58:27.000 They don't want to screw around with us.

02:58:29.000 Thank you.

02:58:30.000 Former President Trump, to follow up, you would be 82 at the end of your second term.

02:58:35.000 What do you say to voters who have concerns about your capabilities to serve?

02:58:40.000 Well, I took two tests, cognitive tests.

02:58:42.000 I aced them, both of them, as you know.

02:58:44.000 We made it public.

02:58:45.000 He took none.

02:58:46.000 I'd like to see him take one, just one, a real easy one, like go through the first five questions.

02:58:50.000 He couldn't do it.

02:58:52.000 But I took two cognitive tests.

02:58:53.000 I took physical exams every year.

02:58:56.000 And, you know, we knock on wood, wherever we may have wood, that I'm in very good health.

02:59:01.000 I just won two club championships, not even senior.

02:59:04.000 Two regular club championships.

02:59:05.000 To do that, you have to be quite smart, and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way.

02:59:11.000 And I do it.

02:59:11.000 He doesn't do it.

02:59:12.000 He can't hit a ball 50 yards.

02:59:13.000 He challenged me to a golf match.

02:59:15.000 He can't hit a ball 50 yards.

02:59:17.000 I think I'm in very good shape.

02:59:18.000 I feel that I'm as in good a shape as I was 25, 30 years ago.

02:59:22.000 Actually, I'm probably a little bit lighter.

02:59:25.000 But I'm in as good a shape as I was years ago.

02:59:28.000 I feel very good.

02:59:29.000 I feel the same.

02:59:30.000 But I took I was willing to take a cognitive test.

02:59:33.000 And you know what?

02:59:33.000 If I didn't do well, I aced him.

02:59:35.000 Dr. Ronny Jackson, who's a great guy when he was White House doctor.

02:59:39.000 And then I took another one, a similar one.

02:59:41.000 And both one of them said they've never seen anybody ace him.

02:59:45.000 Thank you, President Biden.

02:59:47.000 You can see he is 6'5 and only 235 lbs.

02:59:59.000 Just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is.

03:00:02.000 Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him.

03:00:05.000 I got my handicap when I was Vice President down to a 6.

03:00:10.000 He looks like he's on drugs.

03:00:12.000 By the way, I told you before I'm happy to play golf if you carry your own bag.

03:00:16.000 You think you can do it?

03:00:18.000 That's the biggest lie, that he's a six handicapped of all. 1.00

03:00:21.000 I was an eight handicapped.

03:00:24.000 Yeah.

03:00:26.000 Eight?

03:00:27.000 I've seen you swing, I know you swing.

03:00:29.000 Let's not act like children.

03:00:31.000 Let's not act like children.

03:00:33.000 To a specific concern that voters have about you.

03:00:37.000 Will you pledge tonight that once all legal challenges have been exhausted, that you will accept the results of this election regardless of who wins, and you will say right now that political violence in any form is unacceptable?

03:00:53.000 Well, I shouldn't have to say that, but of course I believe that.

03:00:56.000 It's totally unacceptable.

03:00:58.000 And if you would see my statements that I made on Twitter at the time, and also my statement that I made in the Rose Garden, you would say it's one of the strongest statements you've ever seen.

03:01:06.000 In addition to the speech I made in front of, I believe, the largest crowd I've ever spoken to.

03:01:11.000 And I will tell you, nobody ever talks about that.

03:01:13.000 They talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the Capitol.

03:01:18.000 And in many cases were ushered in by the police.

03:01:20.000 And as Nancy Pelosi said, it was her responsibility, not mine.

03:01:24.000 She said that loud and clear.

03:01:25.000 But the answer is if the election is fair, free.

03:01:29.000 And I want that more than anybody.

03:01:31.000 And I'll tell you something.

03:01:32.000 I wish he was a great president because I wouldn't be here right now.

03:01:36.000 I'd be at one of my many places enjoying myself.

03:01:40.000 I wouldn't be under indictment because I wouldn't have been his political opponent, you know, opponent, because he indicted me because I was his opponent.

03:01:49.000 I wish he was a great president.

03:01:51.000 I would rather have that.

03:01:52.000 I wouldn't be here.

03:01:53.000 I don't mind being here.

03:01:55.000 But the only reason I'm here is he's so bad as a president.

03:01:58.000 Then I'm going to make America great again.

03:02:00.000 We're going to make America great again.

03:02:02.000 We're a failing nation right now.

03:02:03.000 We're a seriously failing nation.

03:02:06.000 And we're a failing nation because of him.

03:02:08.000 His policies are so bad.

03:02:11.000 His military policies are insane. 0.69

03:02:15.000 They're insane.

03:02:16.000 These are wars that will never end with him.

03:02:18.000 He will drive us into World War III. 0.88

03:02:20.000 And we're closer to World War III than anybody can imagine.

03:02:24.000 We are very, very close to World War III.

03:02:26.000 And he's driving us there.

03:02:28.000 And Kim Jong-un and President Xi of China, Kim Jong-un of North Korea, all of these are Putin.

03:02:34.000 They don't respect him.

03:02:36.000 They don't fear him.

03:02:37.000 They have nothing going with this gentleman.

03:02:40.000 And he's going to drive us into World War III.

03:02:44.000 You want a World War 3? 0.95

03:02:46.000 Let him follow and win and let Putin say, do what you want, NATO.

03:02:50.000 Just do what you want.

03:02:51.000 There's a thing called Article 5. 0.66

03:02:53.000 An attack on one is an attack on all.

03:02:55.000 A required response.

03:02:57.000 The idea, the idea.

03:02:59.000 I can't think of a single major leader in the world who wouldn't trade places with the job I've done and what they've done.

03:03:06.000 Because we are a powerful nation.

03:03:08.000 We have wonderful peace.

03:03:09.000 Because of the people.

03:03:10.000 Not me.

03:03:10.000 It's because of the American people.

03:03:12.000 They're capable of anything.

03:03:13.000 And they step up when they're needed.

03:03:15.000 And right now, we're needed.

03:03:17.000 We're needed to protect the world because our own safety is at stake.

03:03:20.000 And again, if you want to have a war, just let Putin go ahead and take Kiev.

03:03:25.000 Make sure they move on.

03:03:26.000 See what happens in Poland, Hungary, and other places along that border.

03:03:30.000 Then you have a war.

03:03:32.000 President Trump, as I come back to you for a follow-up, the question was, will you accept the results of this election, regardless of who wins?

03:03:42.000 Just to finish what he said, if I might.

03:03:45.000 Russia, they took a lot of land from Bush.

03:03:49.000 They took a lot of land from Obama and Biden.

03:03:52.000 They took no land, nothing, from Trump.

03:03:55.000 Nothing.

03:03:55.000 He knew not to do it.

03:03:57.000 You're not going to play games with me.

03:03:59.000 He knew that.

03:03:59.000 I got along with him very well, but he knew not to play games.

03:04:02.000 He took nothing from me.

03:04:05.000 But now he's going to take the whole thing from this man right here.

03:04:09.000 That's a war that should have never started.

03:04:11.000 It would have never started, ever, with me.

03:04:14.000 And he's going to take Ukraine.

03:04:17.000 And, you know, you asked me a question before, would you do this with — he's got us in such a bad position right now with Ukraine and Russia.

03:04:24.000 Because Ukraine's not winning that war.

03:04:27.000 He said, I will never settle until such time.

03:04:29.000 They're running out of people.

03:04:30.000 They're running out of soldiers.

03:04:31.000 They've lost so many people.

03:04:32.000 It's so sad.

03:04:34.000 They've lost so many people. 1.00

03:04:35.000 And they've lost those gorgeous cities with the golden domes that are 1,000 years old, all because of him and stupid decisions. 1.00

03:04:43.000 Russia would have never attacked if I were president. 0.99

03:04:45.000 President Trump, the question was, will you accept the results of the election, regardless of who wins?

03:04:50.000 Yes or no, please.

03:04:52.000 If it's a fair and legal and good election, absolutely. 0.60

03:04:56.000 I would have much rather accepted these, but the fraud and everything else was ridiculous.

03:05:03.000 And if you want, we'll have a news conference on it in a week.

03:05:06.000 Or we'll have another one of these in a week.

03:05:09.000 But I will absolutely, there's nothing I'd rather do.

03:05:13.000 It would be much easier for me to do that.

03:05:16.000 Then I'm running again.

03:05:18.000 I wasn't really going to run until I saw the horrible job he did.

03:05:22.000 He's destroying our country.

03:05:24.000 I would be very happy to be someplace else, in a nice location someplace.

03:05:28.000 And again, no indictments, no political opponent stuff, because it's the only way he thinks he can win.

03:05:34.000 But unfortunately, it's driven up my numbers and driven them up to a very high level, because the people understand it.

03:05:41.000 Let's see what your numbers are when this election is over.

03:05:45.000 Let's see. 0.99

03:05:45.000 You're a whiner. 0.99

03:05:47.000 When you lost the first time, you continued, you appealed and appealed to courts all across the country. 0.93

03:05:52.000 Not one single court in America said any of your claims had any merit, state or local, none.

03:06:00.000 But you continue to provoke this lie about somehow there's all this misrepresentation, all this stealing.

03:06:08.000 There is no evidence of that at all. 0.97

03:06:10.000 And I tell you what, I doubt whether you'll accept it because you're such a whiner. 1.00

03:06:14.000 The idea, if you lose again, you accept it anyway, you can't stand the loss.

03:06:18.000 Something snapped in you when you lost the last time.

03:06:22.000 We'll be right back with more from the CNN presidential debate live from Georgia.

03:06:28.000 So I'm looking at all the different responses on Twitter right now.

03:06:39.000 And the Border Patrol Union just tweeted, to be clear, we never have and never will endorse Joe Biden.

03:06:46.000 uh - Yeah.

03:06:48.000 The Border Patrol is literally fact-checking him in real time.

03:06:51.000 You have New York Times columnist and ultra-Democrat Nicholas Kristof who, you know, is a big-time Obama, big-time Biden person, saying, I wish Biden would reflect on this debate performance and then announce his decision to withdraw from the race, throwing the choice of the Democrat nominee to the convention.

03:07:11.000 Just like I've been telling you guys for months, have I not, have I not, have I not been telling you that this was going to happen?

03:07:18.000 That the rules of the DMC and the convention were going to allow the DMC to bypass the primary process and install the person that they want as their candidate at the convention in August.

03:07:29.000 Why do you think they haven't announced for Joe Biden to be on the ballot in Ohio?

03:07:34.000 This is the reason why.

03:07:35.000 I'm telling you right now.

03:07:37.000 You know who's sitting up in that spin room tonight at the debate in Atlanta, Georgia?

03:07:41.000 Gavin Newsom.

03:07:43.000 Or as President Trump likes to call him, Gavin Newscom.

03:07:47.000 Newscom.

03:07:48.000 He always has the best nicknames for everybody.

03:07:52.000 Gavin Newsom is in the spin room tonight.

03:07:54.000 And you know why Gavin Newsom is in the spin room tonight?

03:07:56.000 It's because They're gonna draft him.

03:07:59.000 They've been preparing Gavin for this moment for a while now, okay?

03:08:02.000 And that's why they had Gavin Newsom at the GOP debates, if you recall.

03:08:06.000 Trump didn't go to those GOP debates, excuse me, but I feel like I'm starting to slur my words like Joe Biden now.

03:08:13.000 I need to drink some water because I've been talking non-stop all night.

03:08:19.000 They had Gavin Newsom at those GOP debates for a reason, okay?

03:08:22.000 They had him at those debates because they wanted him to observe all of the Republican candidates just in case, right?

03:08:29.000 Just in case Donald Trump was somehow thrown in jail or somehow didn't become the nominee.

03:08:36.000 Who knows?

03:08:38.000 They had Gavin Newsom there talking to Sean Hannity.

03:08:41.000 Remember they had Gavin Newsom debate Ron DeSantis when everybody thought, well, I didn't think so, but all the rhinos in DC thought, That Ron DeSantis was going to be the nominee. 0.98

03:08:50.000 Okay.

03:08:52.000 It's happening.

03:08:52.000 It's going to happen.

03:08:54.000 You're going to see tomorrow, there's going to be editorials.

03:08:56.000 You're going to see the Wall Street Journal.

03:08:57.000 I guarantee you, you're going to see the New York Times, the op-ed, Joe Biden needs to step down or for the sake of the election, you know, Joe Biden needs to step aside.

03:09:06.000 And then you're going to see the White House come around and maybe announce that Joe Biden has Alzheimer's or You know, he's got some kind of health issue.

03:09:14.000 They're going to try to make it a sob story and say, oh, you know, look at everybody making fun of Joe Biden.

03:09:20.000 And then Gavin Newsom's going to say, well, I didn't technically lie when I said that I wasn't going to run for president because I was installed.

03:09:28.000 There's a big difference between running for president and then being installed as the candidate.

03:09:32.000 So pay attention, pay attention to the semantics, because the entire Democrat candidate nomination process at their convention is basically right now a game of semantics.

03:09:45.000 They know that they can say, well, we weren't lying to you when we said that we weren't going to run for president.

03:09:50.000 We were installed because the DNC rules allow for any candidate to be installed as the nominee if the executive leadership of the DNC agrees upon any candidate.

03:10:03.000 It doesn't matter who it is.

03:10:04.000 So we're coming back to the debate now, but I want you all to take this very seriously because it's going to happen.

03:10:09.000 We've been talking about this for months on Loomer Unleashed.

03:10:11.000 Predetermined by a coin toss, we're going to begin with you, President Biden.

03:10:15.000 You have two minutes.

03:10:16.000 We've made significant progress from the debacle that was left by President Trump in his last term.

03:10:27.000 We find ourselves in a situation where, Number one, we have to make sure that we have a fair tax system.

03:10:35.000 I ask anyone out there in the audience, or anyone out watching this debate, do you think the tax system is fair?

03:10:41.000 The fact is that, I said, nobody making under $400,000 had a single penny increase in their taxes, and will not.

03:10:49.000 And if I'm re-elected, that will be the case again.

03:10:51.000 But, this guy has increased your taxes because of the deficit.

03:10:56.000 Number one, he's increased inflation because of the debacle he left after the way he handled the pandemic.

03:11:02.000 And he finds himself in a position where he now wants to tax you more.

03:11:07.000 Everything comes in the United States of America.

03:11:10.000 They did when, for example, he wants to get rid of the ability of Medicare, for the ability for us to be able to negotiate drug prices with the big pharma companies.

03:11:24.000 Well, guess what?

03:11:26.000 We got it down to $35 for insulin instead of $400.

03:11:32.000 No more than $2,000 for every senior, no matter how much prescription they need.

03:11:40.000 You know what that did?

03:11:41.000 That reduced the federal debt by $160 billion over 10 years because the government doesn't have to pay the exorbitant prices.

03:11:50.000 I'm going to make that available to every senior all along.

03:11:54.000 It's happening now.

03:11:56.000 Thank you, President Biden.

03:11:57.000 He wants to get rid of that.

03:11:58.000 We have I'm going to make sure that we have child care.

03:12:01.000 We're going to significantly increase the credit people have for child care.

03:12:05.000 I'm going to make sure we do something about what we're doing on lead pipes and all the things that are causing health problems for people across the country.

03:12:14.000 We're going to continue to fight to bring down inflation and give people a break.

03:12:18.000 Thank you, President Biden.

03:12:19.000 President Trump, you now have two minutes for your closing statement.

03:12:22.000 Like so many politicians, this man is just a complainer.

03:12:26.000 He said, we want to do this, we want to do that, we want to get rid of this tax, that tax.

03:12:31.000 But he doesn't do anything.

03:12:33.000 All he does is make our country unsafe by allowing millions and millions of people to pour in. 1.00

03:12:41.000 We didn't stop Israel. 0.72

03:12:44.000 It was such a horrible thing that would have never happened.

03:12:46.000 It should have never happened.

03:12:48.000 Iran was broke.

03:12:49.000 Anybody that did business with Iran, including China, they couldn't do business with the United States.

03:12:54.000 They all passed.

03:12:55.000 Iran was broke.

03:12:55.000 They had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah, for terror, no money whatsoever.

03:12:59.000 Again, Ukraine should have never happened. 1.00

03:13:02.000 He talks about all this stuff, but he didn't do it.

03:13:05.000 For three and a half years we're living in hell.

03:13:07.000 We have the Palestinians and we have everybody else rioting all over the place. 0.88

03:13:12.000 You talk about Charlottesville.

03:13:13.000 This is a hundred times Charlottesville.

03:13:15.000 A thousand times Charlottesville.

03:13:16.000 The whole country is exploding because of you.

03:13:19.000 Because they don't respect you.

03:13:20.000 And they have to respect their president.

03:13:22.000 And they don't respect you throughout the world.

03:13:25.000 What we did was incredible.

03:13:26.000 We rebuilt the military.

03:13:28.000 We got the largest tax cut in history, the largest regulation cut in history.

03:13:32.000 The reason he's got jobs is because I cut the regulations that gave jobs.

03:13:36.000 But he's putting a lot of those regulations back on.

03:13:39.000 All of the things that we've done, nobody's ever seen anything like that.

03:13:43.000 Even from a medical standpoint, right to try.

03:13:46.000 Well, we can try space age materials instead of going to Asia or going to Europe and trying to get when you're terminally ill.

03:13:53.000 Now you can go and you can get something.

03:13:55.000 You sign a document.

03:13:56.000 They've been trying to get it for 42 years.

03:13:59.000 But you know what we did for the military was incredible choice for our soldiers, where our soldiers Instead of waiting for three months to see a doctor, can go out and get themselves fixed up and readied up and take care of themselves and they're living the highest approval rating in the history of the VA.

03:14:17.000 So all of these things, we're not failing anymore.

03:14:21.000 We're going to make it great again.

03:14:23.000 Thank you, former President Trump, President Biden.

03:14:27.000 Stay with us because we have full analysis of this debate.

03:14:31.000 Anderson Cooper and Erin Burnett starts now on CNN.

03:14:34.000 All right, it's over.

03:14:40.000 Wait, I want to see the Democrats' reactions, though.

03:14:43.000 I want to see them try to explain this.

03:14:45.000 So are they going to shake hands?

03:14:56.000 Are they?

03:14:56.000 I want to see.

03:14:57.000 No?

03:14:57.000 Are they?

03:15:03.000 Let me see.

03:15:03.000 No.

03:15:03.000 Let me see.

03:15:04.000 Oh my god, Jill Biden came out. 1.00

03:15:06.000 Oh my god!

03:15:06.000 Jill Biden had to come out!

03:15:08.000 Let me see.

03:15:08.000 The first lady has come out, former President Trump, walking off the stage.

03:15:12.000 Oh, my God.

03:15:13.000 The first debate of the 2024 campaign.

03:15:15.000 Oh, my God.

03:15:16.000 Jill Biden had to come out. 1.00

03:15:18.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:15:19.000 Can't find his way off stage. 1.00

03:15:21.000 Another bingo. 0.96

03:15:22.000 We got another bingo.

03:15:25.000 Oh my god.

03:15:28.000 This is not real life.

03:15:30.000 They are seriously cutting away from the fact that Jill Biden just had to walk on stage to let him off. 1.00

03:15:39.000 Holy shit! 0.99

03:15:40.000 up to David Axelrod and CNN correspondent John King. 0.99

03:15:43.000 John, let me start with you.

03:15:44.000 Your thoughts.

03:15:45.000 Anderson, this was a game-changing debate in the sense that right now, as we see, there's a deep, a wide, and a very aggressive panic in the Democratic Party. 1.00

03:15:55.000 Holy shit. 0.99

03:15:56.000 It started minutes into the debate, and it continues right now. 1.00

03:15:58.000 Oh, my God.

03:15:59.000 It involves party strategists.

03:16:00.000 It involves elected officials.

03:16:02.000 It involves fundraisers.

03:16:03.000 And they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people down the party in the ticket.

03:16:10.000 And they're having conversations about what they should do about it.

03:16:13.000 Some of those conversations include, should we go to the White House and ask the President to step aside?

03:16:18.000 Others are, other of the conversations are about, should prominent Democrats go public?

03:16:22.000 With that call.

03:16:24.000 Because they feel this debate was so terrible.

03:16:26.000 They do say, in moments in the debate later, the president got better and got his footing, but then at the end even his closing statement was a little halting.

03:16:34.000 The contrast between the two candidates.

03:16:35.000 Let me be clear.

03:16:36.000 None of them, and a lot of Republicans, Don't think Donald Trump had a great night.

03:16:40.000 Donald Trump broke the fact check machine more than I can count tonight.

03:16:43.000 That will be on the record as we go forward.

03:16:45.000 He refused to answer some very specific and direct questions about his conduct, about January 6th and what all.

03:16:50.000 So that will be dealt with out there.

03:16:52.000 And sometimes there's a parallel universe between the political elites and the American people.

03:16:57.000 Be nice to see what the voters say.

03:16:59.000 But I can tell you, it started minutes in.

03:17:01.000 It started with the first couple of answers.

03:17:03.000 And it has continued throughout the night from a, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, to what do we do about this?

03:17:08.000 And it involves very senior people in the Democratic Party, including elected officials, saying, we have a problem.

03:17:13.000 And just to co-sign what John is saying, I mean, the panic that I am hearing from Democrats is not like anything that I have heard in this campaign so far.

03:17:21.000 And a lot of it has to do with, first of all, there was a deep frustration about Trump's lies.

03:17:25.000 I mean, he lied a lot tonight.

03:17:28.000 But the problem for Biden was that Trump was able to take Wow.

03:17:31.000 sometimes incredible falsehoods and turn them into some kind of argument, whereas Biden's answers were in a lot of cases not coherent, deeply problematic, that he was not able to take straightforward answers that he was not able to take straightforward answers and answer them to the American public.

03:17:50.000 And then also at some points bringing things up that teed up Trump attacks.

03:17:55.000 So there is a real concern here tonight that there's been some real damage done that cannot be undone.

03:18:03.000 Biden solidified the perception among voters, but especially among his base.

03:18:10.000 They were hoping that tonight would be a game changer.

03:18:13.000 They are now seeing a president who is in the White House who they do not necessarily believe can do this for another four years.

03:18:25.000 Look, I can't argue with either of them about how Democratic leaders are reacting to this poll.

03:18:35.000 We said at the beginning that each person had a fundamental goal, and for Biden that goal was to appear energetic, engaged, and look like someone who is capable of serving for another four years for president.

03:18:48.000 That was job number one.

03:18:50.000 I actually think He scored a bunch of points.

03:18:52.000 I think if you just judge this on sort of policy stuff, he did score a bunch of points on issues like abortion, for example, on some of the economic issues.

03:19:04.000 But there is a feeling, I think there was a sense of shock, actually, at how he came out at the beginning of this debate, how his voice Uh, you know, he seemed a little disoriented.

03:19:18.000 He did get stronger as the debate went on, but by that time, I think the panic had set in, and I think you're going to hear discussions that I don't know will lead to anything, but, you know.

03:19:31.000 There are going to be discussions about whether he should continue.

03:19:35.000 And I think part of it is Donald Trump did not meet his mission either.

03:19:39.000 He could not resist the temptation to be nasty, to prevaricate about a whole bunch of things, about his own record, about Biden's record, and to seem petty and small at times.

03:19:56.000 Can we change the channel to MSNBC?

03:19:59.000 Hold on.

03:19:59.000 Whoa.

03:19:59.000 who may not be able to take advantage of it.

03:20:02.000 Listen, if anybody in America thinks that that was even close to being an okay debate by Joe Biden, I'm living in a parallel universe.

03:20:12.000 That was an unbelievable thing. 1.00

03:20:13.000 - It was an unmitigated disaster for President Biden - Holy shit! - from the second he walked out - Oh my God! - to the closing statement. 1.00

03:20:18.000 The biggest issue for Democrats is abortion.

03:20:21.000 And he couldn't give an answer.

03:20:23.000 He gave an answer, a three, he couldn't even give a coherent answer on the biggest issue for Democrats tonight.

03:20:30.000 I've heard from leading Democrats across the United States, elected governors, congressmen, who are texting me and saying, "I'm worried I'm gonna lose if Joe Biden's at the top of the ticket." Bob Casey, I promise you tonight in the state of Pennsylvania, is thrown up in his mouth because he knows that if he's got to stand next to Joe Biden, he's going down in Pennsylvania.

03:20:52.000 If he's on the ticket, I don't know how it's going to work.

03:20:55.000 Yeah, look, it was a really disappointing debate performance from Joe Biden.

03:20:58.000 I don't think there's any other way to slice it.

03:21:00.000 His biggest issue that he had to prove to the American people was that he had the energy, he had the stamina, and he didn't do that.

03:21:06.000 And so I think that is of concern, and I think for a lot of Democrats that's very disappointing.

03:21:12.000 I will say, Donald Trump also had some really rough moments in this debate.

03:21:16.000 And, you know, talking to the Biden campaign, they say, you know, their dials started really moving away from Trump as he was increasing his personal attacks on Biden.

03:21:23.000 So I think there was a lot about his kind of character and the...

03:21:31.000 All right, we are going to cut to MSDNC now as well.

03:21:34.000 So you just got to see CNN having their meltdown, and we are now going to spend our post-debate coverage time together.

03:21:41.000 We have a double bingo, so congratulations if you were following along with the Trump campaign bingo card tonight.

03:21:49.000 We have a double bingo.

03:21:51.000 Very exciting.

03:21:54.000 Very exciting.

03:21:55.000 We would have had a triple if Joe Biden fell down, but maybe next time.

03:21:59.000 Or maybe there won't be a next time because he's probably going to go to hospice and be replaced as the nominee.

03:22:04.000 Wish I could feel sorry for him. 1.00

03:22:05.000 Maybe if he wasn't such a lying piece of shit. 1.00

03:22:08.000 But we are going to be turning over to MSDNC right now so that you can see their freakout because it's just so much fun, you know? 1.00

03:22:14.000 It is so much fun watching all these Democrats cry and freak out.

03:22:19.000 Oh my god, all my friends are texting me!

03:22:21.000 Oh my god, the Democrats are telling me that Joe Biden's gonna have to step down!

03:22:25.000 Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god!

03:22:27.000 I mean, it's just great.

03:22:29.000 The panic is setting in.

03:22:30.000 The panic is setting in because they all know that they decided to literally steal an election and put an Alzheimer's patient in the White House and America has woken up. 0.64

03:22:39.000 Let's go.

03:22:39.000 OK, we got Rachel Maddow.

03:22:40.000 Let's hear her mouth down. 1.00

03:22:41.000 Let's go.

03:22:42.000 In a matter of moments.

03:22:43.000 Lawrence, I also want to get your response.

03:22:45.000 I think one of the interesting things that Alex said there was that some of the poor coherence and poor answers from Donald Trump are being viewed as standard Trump and therefore not newsworthy, while the performance from President Biden is being viewed as newsworthy because it came in below expectations.

03:23:06.000 Yeah, in any sort of normal universe, you would think the candidate... I didn't have sex with a porn star. 0.98

03:23:17.000 Was the loser of that debate. 0.99

03:23:19.000 That would be the normal scorecard.

03:23:24.000 ...concentrating on is optics, that thing we call optics, and in this case also audio because of the aging voice of Joe Biden.

03:23:32.000 But the question is that we don't know the answer to this.

03:23:35.000 I mean, my God, he and Trump are practically the same age.

03:23:38.000 ...thinking they're for Biden or they're for Trump or thinking whatever they were thinking. What in this debate of substance that was true, if anything, moved their vote?

03:23:51.000 So if you really wanted to look at it in terms of what is it supposed to be, it's supposed to be an illuminating forum in which you learn something about a candidate that you didn't know before that is true.

03:24:02.000 Not that you learn a lie from the candidate.

03:24:06.000 That's not what the objective is.

03:24:08.000 But given that the optics is the way the game is played, what we don't yet know, and we'll know in polling a week from now or so, is what was the effect of all of this?

03:24:19.000 What was the effect of the guy who said, you know, I did not have sex with the porn star?

03:24:24.000 What was the effect of the convicted criminal candidate pointing to the other candidate and calling him a criminal?

03:24:32.000 What is the effect of all of that back and forth?

03:24:35.000 And I think we're guessing about what the effect is of the realization that Joe Biden is actually as old as his birth certificate says he is.

03:24:43.000 His voice is that old, too, but he's 10 years younger than Warren Buffett.

03:24:48.000 And both of them have a job.

03:24:52.000 Decisions and what was not shown to me in a way that was true Has made bad decisions in the presidency.

03:25:02.000 I don't see the set of bad decisions, and what was done in the Biden presidency was certainly underdeveloped in a debate where you never heard the word infrastructure, for example.

03:25:12.000 Like, it was underdeveloped as this went on, and that has a lot to do with the nature of the rules of these debates.

03:25:19.000 I think what you just put your finger on, to me, is sort of the whole issue around where we find ourselves.

03:25:24.000 The job of the president is making decisions.

03:25:27.000 The job of a president is to communicate.

03:25:30.000 It just is.

03:25:31.000 That's the job.

03:25:32.000 It's a communications job.

03:25:33.000 It is talking to people and communicating them, persuading them, trying to get people who don't agree with you.

03:25:39.000 And I think Joe Biden is a very good record on the core communicator right now.

03:25:46.000 And the ability to communicate.

03:25:49.000 I mean, I see this all the time.

03:25:50.000 We will cover things on our show all the time.

03:25:52.000 This big OPEC oil trade they did, you know, where they bought high, they bought oil very cheap and then they sold very high.

03:25:59.000 Take a screenshot of that.

03:26:01.000 Not an ideal story.

03:26:02.000 That's awesome.

03:26:04.000 That's cool.

03:26:05.000 The Biden aide.

03:26:06.000 Take a screenshot of that right now.

03:26:07.000 Joe Biden should be the person communicating that.

03:26:10.000 Joe Biden is not good at communicating his own record.

03:26:13.000 And in the context of a campaign right now, his job, number one, is communicating.

03:26:18.000 Oh my god, I'm having so much fun tonight.

03:26:20.000 So that, you know, and I don't disagree with you.

03:26:22.000 I mean, I think you're right about the decision making.

03:26:24.000 But I think the reason that there is all this, you know, anxiety and all this stuff is because ultimately, and particularly in the television age, a lot of the presidency is communicating.

03:26:33.000 But particularly when you're running for re-election, when it is the thing that is the most important thing.

03:26:38.000 There's another job of the press, and this is even pre the television era.

03:26:41.000 There's a reason that FDR was never shown in his wheelchair.

03:26:46.000 There's a reason that John F. Kennedy pretended to be a vigorous man, but he was certainly not.

03:26:54.000 And Kennedy accelerated it, and I think Reagan super-accelerated it, because he was an actor and he was a Hollywood figure.

03:27:00.000 And it's only gotten more intense until we got to President Obama, who, like, became popular partly because, like, rap artists were, like, taking his speeches and turning them into, like, hit music video.

03:27:10.000 Like, it's accelerated, but it was even true during the Roosevelt era.

03:27:15.000 The president is an avatar for the American people.

03:27:19.000 And the American people have a very high opinion of themselves.

03:27:22.000 The American people think of themselves, this country invented the concept of the superhero for a reason.

03:27:28.000 Because the American people think we're Captain America.

03:27:30.000 They think we're strong, they think we're robust, and they want their president to look that way.

03:27:34.000 If William Howard Taft had lived in an era where they saw pictures of the president, he wouldn't have been the president.

03:27:39.000 Americans want the president to represent them in the world in a certain way that has vigor, that has strength.

03:27:48.000 Al Gore was a brilliant man.

03:27:51.000 Excellent decision maker, made excellent decisions as vice president.

03:27:55.000 Americans didn't care. 0.97

03:27:56.000 They wanted the guy they thought was cooler.

03:27:59.000 That's just real talk about Americans and about American voters.

03:28:02.000 And so to your point, Joe Biden, yes, you can look at his record and it is factually one of the best records of any modern president.

03:28:11.000 It is a top 10 presidents record.

03:28:14.000 But you can't become president again when America looks at you and that avatar to them looks broken.

03:28:22.000 Let's not pretend this is a good thing.

03:28:24.000 Let's just remember that what's happened here is imagery has taken control of the way we see presidential campaigns.

03:28:33.000 Yes.

03:28:34.000 FDR could not possibly have survived a debate like this at any time, and he was arguably our best president.

03:28:42.000 Could not possibly have done it.

03:28:44.000 He was in much better physical shape in his last presidential campaign, and was in effect much older, because it turns out he was in the last year of his life in his last presidential campaign, which he won.

03:28:56.000 But we don't have a better government Because we've turned to the most superficial components of politics to decide our candidates.

03:29:06.000 If we did that in the 1940s, FDR would not have been president.

03:29:10.000 And, you know, good luck with World War II. 0.88

03:29:13.000 Can I say one more very quick thing, which is just the John Fetterman debate?

03:29:16.000 What is he saying?

03:29:19.000 It was he had a really hard time communicating.

03:29:23.000 The man was recuperating from a stroke.

03:29:26.000 There was a sentence, people watching it being like, this is a disaster.

03:29:30.000 They're literally comparing John Fetterman.

03:29:32.000 Judgment of people, and not wrongly.

03:29:33.000 I mean, the man was dealing with speeches after stroke.

03:29:37.000 Polling turned out that people thought he did alright, and he won that race.

03:29:40.000 So, again, just to like everyone to check themselves a little bit to your point, Lawrence, about like what people will say out there.

03:29:47.000 I don't know.

03:29:48.000 I can just tell you what I read.

03:29:49.000 The only thing I would add, though, is that the record of the decisions, and I love what you said at the beginning, it's such a false contest, right?

03:29:57.000 Because the president is about being in a room surrounded by the smartest people, if they'll come work for you, and making decisions.

03:30:04.000 The smartest people around Biden made the decision to do this.

03:30:07.000 So I think there is a fair question about the performance and about Biden, who thought this was a good idea.

03:30:14.000 And who thought that putting him on the right, rather than just small things like that, why would you put him on the right?

03:30:20.000 Because that meant for the camera, because Biden likes to look over at the moderators and to look away.

03:30:25.000 Had he been on the left, he would have been facing Donald Trump.

03:30:28.000 Oh, you meant he looked like he was looking off-camera?

03:30:30.000 He looked like he was looking off-camera.

03:30:31.000 Every decision they made exacerbated the problem.

03:30:36.000 But now that there is this problem, what does the campaign do?

03:30:39.000 Well, look, I... Let's ask Kamala Harris. 0.99

03:30:41.000 When you work, yeah.

03:30:42.000 Let's ask Kamala Harris. 1.00

03:30:43.000 We will in just a moment.

03:30:43.000 She's not here yet.

03:30:44.000 Thanks, though, Chris.

03:30:45.000 Cheers.

03:30:46.000 I'll tell you, I mean... You heard me say it.

03:30:48.000 Tease ahead. 0.78

03:30:49.000 I worked on campaigns, and it is the job of a campaign to take the hit, right?

03:30:55.000 I mean, it is the job of the campaign to take the blame.

03:30:59.000 And that is a better scenario than it being the candidate.

03:31:02.000 Because, you know, I mean, you can't change the candidate, but you can.

03:31:07.000 This works and that conversation is live and active at the highest level of the Democratic Party.

03:31:12.000 Well, let's bring in somebody who has operated at the highest levels of the Democratic Party and still has many, many contacts there and has been talking to people.

03:31:19.000 This is insane.

03:31:20.000 So we can find out what's happening in those circles.

03:31:21.000 MSNBC political analyst, President Obama's campaign manager in 2008, David Plouffe is with us.

03:31:28.000 Actually, keep it on.

03:31:29.000 Keep David Plouffe on.

03:31:29.000 To some muckety-mucks in Democratic politics.

03:31:31.000 This is the guy who told Democrats to vote for Nikki Haley.

03:31:37.000 Your personal David Plouffe take on what you saw tonight and what are you hearing from the people you've been speaking with?

03:31:42.000 Okay.

03:31:43.000 Well, I think consistent with your reaction, Rachel, and others on the panel, it's kind of a Def Con One moment.

03:31:49.000 I do think Lawrence and Chris give a very important caveat.

03:31:51.000 Listen, I've been...

03:31:55.000 Some went well, some didn't go well.

03:31:57.000 The only thing that matters, and you won't really know for three or four days, is how the voters that will decide this election will react.

03:32:04.000 I would also add, I have deep suspicion that Donald Trump, with swing voters, bombed as well.

03:32:11.000 And that's the tragedy.

03:32:13.000 The biggest thing in this election is voters' concerns, and it's both swing voters and base voters with his age, and those were compounded tonight.

03:32:20.000 So what the campaign's going to do is try and run ads.

03:32:24.000 Biden will go after them.

03:32:27.000 It wasn't just his craziness and his lies, although that was apparent in every question.

03:32:31.000 Like, Donald Trump wouldn't even answer questions about child care or the opioid crisis.

03:32:36.000 You know, talk about someone who's consumed with himself, which is what the message the Biden campaign wanted to land.

03:32:40.000 But the concern level is quite high.

03:32:42.000 This is a significantly important lead in battleground states.

03:32:50.000 We had a really bad first debate.

03:32:52.000 Race tightened, but we're okay.

03:32:53.000 Biden is behind narrowly right now.

03:32:55.000 He's the one that has to change the equation here.

03:32:58.000 And the biggest barrier that's keeping his ceiling low is concerns about age.

03:33:04.000 And I think that's the tragedy because I think Trump had so many openings that you could have just scissored him up on tonight.

03:33:11.000 And Biden did have a couple of good moments.

03:33:14.000 But I think at the end of the day, the overwhelming reaction, again, it doesn't matter, quite frankly, what people like us say.

03:33:20.000 It's what voters say.

03:33:21.000 And if they were already concerned about Izzy Ufford, and the way I think about it is, sadly, this really pains me to say this, they're three years apart.

03:33:27.000 They seemed about 30 years apart tonight.

03:33:29.000 And I think that's going to be the thing that voters really wrestle with coming out of this.

03:33:34.000 In terms of people in Democratic politics and people who have the kind of influence that donors have in Democratic politics, which is, you know, there's a PhD thesis to be done right there, even in the premise of this question, what kind of reactions are you hearing in terms of what they want to see, what sort of reaction they want to see for what happened tonight?

03:33:58.000 Well, Rachel, I mean, there's really only two scenarios.

03:34:01.000 One, which is Joe Biden decides to step down, and we have a fascinating seven-week campaign to get the supportive delegates in Chicago.

03:34:11.000 The only other option is somehow to right the ship here.

03:34:16.000 Now, I'm not sure whether Trump will debate again.

03:34:18.000 It's fascinating.

03:34:19.000 He may think this won't allow for him.

03:34:21.000 He wants another.

03:34:21.000 You could certainly hear him saying, I'm done.

03:34:24.000 I'm not going to do this again.

03:34:29.000 It's the next debate now, but all you can do if you're a Democrat is ask yourself what I can do, which is, yeah, we missed an opportunity, but it's still a close race and you're running against Donald Trump.

03:34:41.000 And again, I think this will come out, but, you know, I've talked to people who are doing dial groups and focus groups with swing voters, and as much as they were concerned about Biden's performance, and they were, you know, they weren't, no one was saying, I'm really excited about Donald Trump coming back to the presidency.

03:34:59.000 He reconfirmed all the reasons they voted against him in 2020.

03:35:03.000 And again, I look at that as a huge missed opportunity because he really provided a lot of openings, I think, for Biden or any candidate to really exacerbate that.

03:35:12.000 So I think Democrats will spend 24, 48, 72 hours, you know, in some state of crisis.

03:35:20.000 But then we have to find a way forward.

03:35:21.000 This is a really big deal.

03:35:22.000 This was obviously a significant moment.

03:35:24.000 It's the most important 90 minutes of the campaign.

03:35:26.000 You guys, this is a really big deal.

03:35:43.000 You basically have Barack Obama's campaign manager right now who campaigned with Joe Biden saying that this was a DEFCON 1 moment for the Democrats tonight and that Joe Biden is losing.

03:35:54.000 And then you just heard the words come out of his mouth that President Trump and Joe Biden are three years apart, but it seemed to me that they were 30 years apart tonight.

03:36:02.000 This is a really big deal.

03:36:04.000 This is a really big deal.

03:36:05.000 President Joe Biden came out of the gate with an unexpectedly weak voice, a voice that at times made the saying hard to discern.

03:36:13.000 The campaign said it was.

03:36:15.000 So they're trying to say on MSNBC right now, you have Joy Reid saying, oh, well, Joe Biden was on the right hand of the stage.

03:36:22.000 And that's why that's why he did so bad.

03:36:24.000 Why would you put him on the right?

03:36:26.000 He has a cold, he has a cold.

03:36:27.000 And then David Plouffe, who I just said was Barack Obama's campaign manager who campaigned with Joe Biden as well, literally just said that this was a, quote, DEF CON one moment and that Joe Biden is losing.

03:36:38.000 So what you have right now is the Obama political machine dumping Joe Biden on live television right now.

03:36:46.000 Let's cut back to Rachel Madcow. 0.95

03:36:49.000 You might have noticed at the very end of the debate, as soon as the moderators said goodnight, boom, we lost the shot.

03:36:56.000 And so we didn't get to see President Biden's wife, the First Lady, or anybody else walking out on stage.

03:37:04.000 They have now the.

03:37:05.000 Thank you.

03:37:35.000 Thank you.

03:37:47.000 I can't thank you all enough for staying and for being here and for all your support.

03:37:53.000 Joe, you did such a great job.

03:38:00.000 You answered every question.

03:38:02.000 You knew all the facts.

03:38:07.000 And we asked the crowd, what did Trump do?

03:38:15.000 Yes!

03:38:16.000 So, Jim, I'm gonna hand it over to you because we have such a great group of supporters here, so thank you all for coming!

03:38:26.000 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

03:38:30.000 Appreciate it.

03:38:30.000 You've been here the whole time!

03:38:33.000 I see it, I see it.

03:38:36.000 Look, folks, you know, there, uh, I shouldn't say this, but my brother always uses lines from movies.

03:38:42.000 There was a famous movie.

03:38:44.000 John Wayne and he's working for the northern military trying to get the Apaches back in the reservation.

03:38:53.000 They were lying like hell to him.

03:38:54.000 They're all sitting on a bluff and John Wayne was sitting with two Apaches.

03:39:05.000 These guys are nothing but these pony soldiers. 0.86

03:39:08.000 Look, folks, what's going to happen over the next couple of days is they're going to be they're going to be out there fact checking all the things he said. - Yes!

03:39:23.000 I can't think of one thing he said that's true.

03:39:27.000 No, I'm not being facetious.

03:39:30.000 But look, we're going to beat this guy.

03:39:31.000 We're going to beat this guy.

03:39:35.000 And I need you in order to beat him.

03:39:38.000 You're the people I'm running for.

03:39:40.000 We need you!

03:39:50.000 He says he's going to be the retribution for his supporters.

03:39:53.000 You are the reason why America is as good as we are. 0.97

03:39:56.000 We're the finest nation in the whole damn world. 0.92

03:39:59.000 Nobody's close. 0.89

03:40:02.000 Let's keep going.

03:40:04.000 See you at the next one.

03:40:05.000 God love you all.

03:40:07.000 Heading to North Carolina.

03:40:09.000 Alright.

03:40:11.000 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

03:40:14.000 I want to go home with you.

03:40:16.000 Thank you.

03:40:18.000 President Biden, this is a live shot in Atlanta tonight.

03:40:22.000 This is at a watch party in Atlanta.

03:40:25.000 I'm getting the microphone back too.

03:40:28.000 Does that say Pretty Tammy the DJ?

03:40:30.000 Yes, it does.

03:40:34.000 And Beyonce kicks in. 0.99

03:40:36.000 And the president is dancing.

03:40:40.000 This has just been, I mean, you heard his voice and his energy there and his cadence there, a world away from what you just heard on the debate stage.

03:40:52.000 That Joe Biden would have killed in that debate.

03:40:58.000 But the Joe Biden that we saw on the debate stage was about 90% more soft spoken.

03:41:02.000 And why is Beyonce playing?

03:41:04.000 And oh my God, the president is dancing. 1.00

03:41:07.000 Oh my god, he just shit his pants. 1.00

03:41:08.000 Somebody call the diaper changer. 1.00

03:41:10.000 I mean, this is crazy.

03:41:11.000 Rachel Maddow has the most cognitive dissonance I've ever seen in my life. 1.00

03:41:19.000 This woman is disgusting. 1.00

03:41:21.000 She is lying through her teeth and she needs to be taken off of national television. 1.00

03:41:26.000 I mean, honestly, she is just trying to cope right now.

03:41:29.000 Now, this is the biggest cope I've ever seen in my life.

03:41:32.000 Having been very confident and sort of coherent, meaning that he was speaking in sentences and saying things that could be understood, whether or not you agreed with them at the beginning of the debate.

03:41:43.000 And over the course of the debate, he became much more aggressive, much less coherent and repeatedly failed to answer questions posed by the moderators, which people debating always do.

03:41:55.000 But it became embarrassing when they were reiterate the question and reiterate the question and reiterate the question.

03:42:00.000 And he would go back to, in many cases, points from earlier in the debate where he had come off very badly or on points that where he had lost. 0.97

03:42:09.000 For example, calling members of the military who had given their lives in service to the country suckers and losers. 0.97

03:42:14.000 It was Donald Trump who Cut to full screen. 0.97

03:42:17.000 Rachel?

03:42:17.000 over the course of the debate, which probably not only was not smart, but confusing.

03:42:20.000 And saying the only question that matters is how did it affect, if at all, cut to full screen and still trying to make a decision.

03:42:32.000 I'm glad Chris, Chris.

03:42:36.000 Yes, sir.

03:42:36.000 I didn't want to cut you off, but I just wanted to jump off on what you said about the Trump line of this.

03:42:41.000 Because I do think, like, David Plouffe makes a good point.

03:42:44.000 Trump is sort of priced in.

03:42:45.000 We all know what he sounds like.

03:42:46.000 He sounded like Trump.

03:42:47.000 And he got Trumpier as the evening went on.

03:42:49.000 He was relatively sort of modulated and concise and succinct in the beginning, and then he got way, way Trumpier.

03:42:56.000 And to plus point also, like, It is a really important thing to remember because there's this sort of aura around Donald Trump's mystical political appeal that he is unlikable and repellent to voters.

03:43:07.000 And that schtick, which is the kind of sledgehammer, petulant, self-aggrandizing, self-obsessed... Self-obsessed.

03:43:15.000 You ask me about fentanyl, let me tell you something about me.

03:43:20.000 You ask me about childcare, let me tell you something about me.

03:43:24.000 There's a reason that he lost the popular vote the first time that he ran for president against Hillary Clinton, that he lost the second time he ran by a much larger margin and lost the Electoral College, and it was very much a reminder of that.

03:43:36.000 And I think that that reminder grew, to your point, more and more acute over the course of the evening, the more kind of, he kept kind of crawling up into his own previous references as the night went on.

03:43:48.000 And it is in self-referential, people.

03:43:50.000 He's incessantly doing it.

03:43:51.000 And it is so easy to be mired in the Biden of it, because my phone is mired in the Biden of it, but it's right.

03:43:59.000 You cannot leave out of this.

03:44:01.000 Number one, I thought the egregious lack of fact-checking, and I know it isn't the moderator's job to debate Donald Trump, but he was allowed to say a series of lies that I know on our programs we're going to be playing a lot of it with a slew of fact-checks.

03:44:15.000 I mean, he literally denied the words he literally said on camera in Charlottesville.

03:44:19.000 Yeah.

03:44:20.000 Like we heard him say, it's not like we didn't hallucinate that he did that.

03:44:22.000 And he said, well, that's a lie.

03:44:24.000 He said Nancy Pelosi took full responsibility for everything that happened on January 6th and that there's a documentary video.

03:44:30.000 He pointed us to where we can get the fact check by saying that, oh yeah, her daughter made a documentary.

03:44:35.000 I think she makes a documentary.

03:44:36.000 That's where she said it was her fault.

03:44:39.000 Oh no, we're just going to pull the documentary, man.

03:44:43.000 He was desperately trying to get somebody to come to defend the Capitol because Trump won't.

03:44:48.000 Because Trump sicked his mob of supporters on the Capitol.

03:44:52.000 They came to the Capitol with weapons and zip ties and Nancy Pelosi and other Despite the fact that Trump wasn't bringing them in.

03:45:04.000 And I'm gonna give Biden one line he did get.

03:45:06.000 When he said he had the morals of an alley cat, now that was an old guy move that I actually could respect. 0.99

03:45:11.000 Like that was like a thing that only old guy would say.

03:45:14.000 We're going to sign back in and keep watching, but we're going to go to the chat really quick while we reload the stream for a little bit longer.

03:45:22.000 A little bit more post-debate coverage.

03:45:25.000 It's just so funny.

03:45:26.000 It's amazing watching Joy Reid meltdown right now. 1.00

03:45:29.000 Joy Reid and Chris Matthews.

03:45:34.000 Rachel Maddow and all these people.

03:45:37.000 CNN was freaking out.

03:45:39.000 They need to remove Joe Biden now!

03:45:41.000 This is terrible!

03:45:42.000 This is making the Democrats look so bad!

03:45:45.000 This is DEFCON 1!

03:45:47.000 I mean, it's just so funny watching these people.

03:45:49.000 What did you think was going to happen when you lied to the country and told us that 81 million people voted for an Alzheimer's patient?

03:45:55.000 Nobody actually believes that this Alzheimer's patient got 81 million votes!

03:46:01.000 Nobody!

03:46:03.000 Nobody believes it!

03:46:04.000 And now everybody's realizing, oh my god, we can't actually keep pretending for another four more years that this guy who's probably gonna die from old age or Alzheimer's is actually fit to be president. 0.74

03:46:15.000 He's gonna die!

03:46:16.000 This guy is literally gonna croak any day now.

03:46:19.000 And the Democrats are just rushing because they realize within the first few minutes of the debate it's like, Oh, excuse me.

03:46:32.000 Oh, let me try to answer the question.

03:46:39.000 We just cannot keep this in our country.

03:46:42.000 We just cannot keep operating this way.

03:46:46.000 Everybody can see that this guy is, you know, a total dementia patient.

03:46:50.000 Oh, where am I?

03:46:52.000 Oh, looking at Trump when he's talking about his son.

03:46:55.000 I mean, come on.

03:47:14.000 Just... Let's stop pretending, okay?

03:47:18.000 I'm really glad that we can all kind of finally have this moment of unity, where even the Democrats are now coming to terms with the fact that Joe Biden is severely... He's severely ill, okay?

03:47:31.000 I am so sick of the gaslighting that we have had to endure for the last four years, where people are like, oh, he's fine, he's just got a cold.

03:47:38.000 Oh, he's just tired.

03:47:38.000 or no, he's just an old doting old man, you know?

03:47:40.000 Excuse me.

03:47:58.000 *coughs* *coughs* my son in Iraq.

03:48:03.000 That is not true.

03:48:08.000 That's a lie.

03:48:13.000 That's a dog and pony show!

03:48:15.000 I don't know.

03:48:32.000 I don't know, man.

03:48:34.000 It's just... We gotta watch these people have their meltdowns.

03:48:38.000 This is just pure gold.

03:48:40.000 Let's cut back to MSDNC.

03:48:41.000 No one is saying it's going to happen.

03:48:42.000 It's very unlikely.

03:48:43.000 But just to note that the Republican Convention has 110 unbound delegates.

03:48:49.000 The Democratic Party has 771 unbound delegates.

03:48:52.000 Now that does not mean that those unbound delegates will do anything.

03:48:55.000 It takes... There are 3,000 delegates that happen on the first ballot.

03:48:59.000 It takes 1,951 delegates to win.

03:49:03.000 I'm sorry, 1,976 delegates to win.

03:49:04.000 It's all in numbers.

03:49:05.000 Yeah, but doing the math of it only matters if it's going to happen.

03:49:08.000 If it's going to happen.

03:49:09.000 So the question is whether it's going to happen, and I think that David Plouffe's take on that is probably correct, and I think that Joe Biden's take on that is correct.

03:49:17.000 My colleague Alex Wagner is standing by right now with California Governor Biden's surrogate Gavin Newsom.

03:49:23.000 Alex, I cannot wait for this conversation.

03:49:24.000 Oh, here we go!

03:49:25.000 Here we go!

03:49:26.000 Here we go!

03:49:27.000 I'm telling you guys, I've been telling you for months.

03:49:29.000 He's going to be replacing Joe Biden.

03:49:31.000 Here we go.

03:49:32.000 He's got the hair gel and everything.

03:49:33.000 Here we go.

03:49:33.000 We go around.

03:49:33.000 Nobody wants to talk to them.

03:49:34.000 Here we go.

03:49:35.000 It was like the hair gel and everything.

03:49:37.000 Descending on.

03:49:37.000 Here we go.

03:49:38.000 At the end of this debate, Governor, let me just I mean, what was your reaction to what we saw on screen?

03:49:44.000 Well, I thought on the substance he won the debate.

03:49:48.000 I'm old school.

03:49:49.000 I'm old fashioned.

03:49:50.000 That's what matters to me.

03:49:51.000 About the lies, I was taking notes about all the lies.

03:49:54.000 I ran out of paper.

03:49:55.000 Donald Trump, no accountability on those lies.

03:49:57.000 Talking down the American economy.

03:49:59.000 Talking down our democracy.

03:50:02.000 That was alarming.

03:50:04.000 This is a world we're living in now, Donald Trump created, where 13-year-olds have to deliver the child of the person that impregnated them.

03:50:14.000 This is a world that Donald Trump has created.

03:50:17.000 And so for me, it was daylight and darkness.

03:50:22.000 of the president's record and I'm very proud for his vision of the future.

03:50:24.000 I mean, let's talk about the substance though, because I feel like on the signature issue that Democrats have, which is abortion, the president's response was garbled and undirected at best.

03:50:36.000 Do you feel like he did what he needed to do on an issue that could motivate voters in the polls?

03:50:40.000 I think it's significantly insignificant because it's de minimis.

03:50:46.000 They don't Oh, I'm old school.

03:50:47.000 I was taking notes.

03:50:48.000 Joe Biden won.

03:50:48.000 You don't support his policies or his assertions.

03:50:51.000 Somehow the American people always wanted this to be states right, which was laughable and absurd.

03:50:55.000 So from that perspective, I don't think that will matter.

03:50:58.000 You saw it in all the elections since Dodds where Democrats are overperforming.

03:51:03.000 Oh, I'm old school.

03:51:05.000 I was taking notes.

03:51:07.000 Joe Biden won.

03:51:08.000 Worry less and do more.

03:51:10.000 We have the opportunity to turn the page.

03:51:12.000 We have the opportunity to put our heads down.

03:51:13.000 We have the opportunity to universally have the back of this president.

03:51:17.000 They are so replacing Joe Biden with Gavin Newsom.

03:51:18.000 You don't turn your back.

03:51:19.000 You go home with the one that brought you to the dance.

03:51:21.000 100% all in.

03:51:23.000 And I was very, very proud that he was able to articulate the work that he's done and lay a foundation of understanding of the lies and the deceit that continued to come out of Donald Trump.

03:51:33.000 You were out there getting up for questions about whether Biden should step down.

03:51:37.000 There is panic. 0.97

03:51:38.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.91

03:51:39.000 Oh, here we go. 0.96

03:51:40.000 Panic.

03:51:41.000 There is panic that has set in among people who have watched this debate, who are Democrats, people who are strategists, and some even inside Democratic campaigns.

03:51:48.000 Do you think...

03:51:51.000 Oh my god!

03:51:51.000 helpful.

03:51:52.000 And I think it's unnecessary.

03:51:54.000 We've got to go in and got to keep our heads high.

03:51:57.000 Oh, my God.

03:51:58.000 As I say, we've got to have the back of this president.

03:52:00.000 We have to have the back of performance.

03:52:03.000 What kind of party does that? 0.99

03:52:04.000 It's been a master class.

03:52:06.000 Fifteen point six million jobs.

03:52:08.000 That's eight times more than the last three Republican presidents combined.

03:52:11.000 The only thing the last three Republican presidents have in common is recessions.

03:52:14.000 Democrats.

03:52:16.000 The president is delivered.

03:52:17.000 We need to deliver for him at this moment.

03:52:19.000 With all due respect, the more time we start having these conversations go down these rabbit holes, it's unhelpful to our democracy, our fate and future of this country, the world.

03:52:29.000 They need us right now to step up, and that's exactly what I intend to do.

03:52:33.000 Not to belabor the point, but, I mean, this was a Biden campaign strategy.

03:52:37.000 This was their idea to do this debate now.

03:52:40.000 And I wonder what you think they got out of it.

03:52:41.000 What was Biden's strongest moment from this debate in your mind?

03:52:44.000 Well, again, back to the substance.

03:52:45.000 He got stronger.

03:52:46.000 He had more stamina over the debate.

03:52:49.000 But was there one moment that you think sticks?

03:52:51.000 Well, anyway, it's difficult to assess.

03:52:53.000 I need a little bit more objectivity and time away from this in the context of trying to pick those moments.

03:52:59.000 But look, the bottom line is this was an opportunity to sort of distill the essence of what this campaign's about.

03:53:04.000 You're hearing the messaging from the campaign distilled down what that key message is.

03:53:08.000 Turn the page.

03:53:09.000 Go to North Carolina tomorrow.

03:53:11.000 We'll get out there on the road.

03:53:12.000 Surrogates need to step up. 1.00

03:53:14.000 We need to step in to support this grassroots effort all across the United States.

03:53:17.000 We need to raise money.

03:53:19.000 And we need to understand what's at stake if we don't.

03:53:22.000 We need to understand what's at stake if we turn our back at this critical time.

03:53:26.000 There's too much.

03:53:27.000 If Biden and Trump are remembered for any particular line... Look at what he just said.

03:53:32.000 He said that we need to step up and that's exactly what I plan to do.

03:53:35.000 That's an admission.

03:53:37.000 I'm taking that as an admission that Gavin Newsom is going to be stepping up and filling in for Joe Biden.

03:53:43.000 Yes, absolutely.

03:53:45.000 I know our friends in New York have questions for you, so if we could go back to New York City, Rachel.

03:53:49.000 Hey Governor Newsom, it's Rachel Maddow here.

03:53:51.000 Thank you so much for taking time here.

03:53:53.000 When you said worry less and do more, do what?

03:53:58.000 What do you think that people who support President Biden, people in democratic politics, people who are planning on voting for him, who are worried that he seemed older than they expected tonight, that he didn't seem to reassure people on stamina issues as Joy was saying before, what should people do?

03:54:16.000 We'll talk about what he has done and what he's done recently.

03:54:19.000 What he's delivered in bipartisan, unprecedented legislation.

03:54:22.000 An infrastructure bill, the Chips in Science Act, the work that he's done across a spectrum of issues to deliver for the American people.

03:54:29.000 And the vision he's laid out for the future and contrast that.

03:54:33.000 Not just lifting up those issues, but contrast that and drive that contrast of the dystopian vision that Donald Trump has to the future.

03:54:40.000 It's a binary choice at the end of the day.

03:54:42.000 And so we've got to drive that contrast even harder.

03:54:47.000 And Trump didn't make that better tonight because he continued the lies and the grievances and the retribution and the language that no one else want to see moving forward.

03:54:57.000 He's all about the past.

03:54:58.000 American reverse.

03:54:59.000 He wants to bring us back to a pre-1960s world.

03:55:03.000 Voting rights.

03:55:03.000 Civil rights.

03:55:04.000 LGBTQ rights.

03:55:05.000 Women's rights. 0.96

03:55:06.000 Access to abortion.

03:55:07.000 Access to contraception.

03:55:08.000 That's what we need to talk about.

03:55:10.000 That's what's on the ballot.

03:55:11.000 Democracy.

03:55:12.000 The fate and future of this country.

03:55:13.000 For that matter, alliances around the world.

03:55:16.000 We need to buck up and focus on what's at stake and not navel gaze and not look back.

03:55:21.000 This is crazy.

03:55:21.000 Look forward.

03:55:22.000 It's always about tomorrow.

03:55:23.000 This is totally crazy.

03:55:24.000 Everything's about tomorrow.

03:55:26.000 In terms of bucking up and not navel-gazing and moving forward.

03:55:32.000 If you were to advise the campaign how to turbocharge, how to kick up into another level, I do think they're going to have to make up ground they didn't previously have to make up because of this debate performance.

03:55:44.000 What can they do that they're not doing?

03:55:46.000 Should they do the second debate in September?

03:55:48.000 Should they change course in some of the ways that they are trying to communicate?

03:55:53.000 I hear you making a very strong case for President Biden's record, but I don't know what they should do to make that case more strongly than they have been.

03:56:02.000 Well, I think you just double down on what we're doing.

03:56:04.000 We're all about to go out to six states across this country.

03:56:08.000 I'm just doing my small part.

03:56:10.000 There's hundreds and hundreds of us that will be going out.

03:56:13.000 We have a clear message.

03:56:15.000 We have a clear contrast with Donald Trump and his performance tonight and his doubling down on lies and deceit.

03:56:22.000 Unbelievable.

03:56:23.000 Told you guys, you know.

03:56:24.000 to build a grassroots, to get people to recognize what's at stake if we don't unify as a Democratic party.

03:56:29.000 And again, it's a choice.

03:56:31.000 This is a choice election.

03:56:32.000 And so look, all I know what to do is wake up tomorrow and do more and do better and worry less.

03:56:39.000 It's about passion.

03:56:40.000 It's about passion.

03:56:41.000 It's about purpose.

03:56:41.000 And it's about having the back of the president.

03:56:43.000 If you think that Joe Biden is going to be replaced by Gavin Newsom, what a one in the chat.

03:56:47.000 I wanted to ask you, you've talked a lot about President Biden and his performance and his accomplishments.

03:56:52.000 If voters out there could see one answer from Donald Trump tonight or one moment that stuck out to you where you thought people cannot elect this man, what would that be?

03:57:02.000 I mean, what should people out there who are pushing out there that was damaging and terrible from Donald Trump the most?

03:57:12.000 The way he talks about immigrants offends me.

03:57:15.000 I live in the most diverse state in the world's most diverse democracy.

03:57:18.000 27% of my state is foreign-born.

03:57:21.000 It's not a question of tolerating that.

03:57:22.000 We celebrate it.

03:57:23.000 It's a point of pride.

03:57:24.000 We practice pluralism.

03:57:25.000 The way he talks about immigrants to the American terms of what makes this great, this nation.

03:57:33.000 Advance together across our differences.

03:57:35.000 advance together across our differences.

03:57:37.000 These are fundamental.

03:57:38.000 It's not about one quick clip.

03:57:40.000 It's about all of the things stacked together that represent not only what he said tonight, but what he said over his entire career.

03:57:47.000 He doesn't have your back, period, full stop.

03:57:48.000 He doesn't have your back, period, full stop.

03:57:50.000 We must have the back of the president of the United States, Joe Biden, at this critical moment and focus on tomorrow, focus on the vision that will ignite this country moving forward and talk about the stakes of falling short.

03:57:51.000 We must have the back of the president of the United States, Joe Biden, at this critical moment and focus on tomorrow.

03:57:57.000 Focus.

03:58:06.000 Liberalism, illiberalism, daylight, darkness.

03:58:09.000 Governor, I am sensing a frustration with the format of this debate, the reduction, the reductivist nature of the debate, the sort of carnival like atmosphere of the debate and a desire to get back to the essence of news and the choice ahead for the American public.

03:58:23.000 Having said that, there.

03:58:24.000 I think that Joe Biden should participate in.

03:58:29.000 Absolutely.

03:58:30.000 I mean, we've all had those nights.

03:58:33.000 All of us.

03:58:33.000 Not one person watching hasn't had those nights.

03:58:36.000 Well, we've not all been in presidential debates.

03:58:37.000 But it's not about debates.

03:58:40.000 You have good moments, you have bad moments.

03:58:41.000 You wake up the next day, you dust it off, and you move forward.

03:58:44.000 It's all about resiliency.

03:58:45.000 That's what the American people are about.

03:58:49.000 That's what Joe Biden's been about his entire life.

03:58:51.000 I've seen this over and over, this movie before.

03:58:54.000 Oh, Joe Biden should pack it up in the primaries.

03:58:56.000 He's got no chance.

03:58:57.000 After Iowa, he gives up.

03:59:01.000 For us, fighting for democracy, our future, kids, our grandkids.

03:59:05.000 So we've got to have his back in this respect.

03:59:07.000 And yeah, I hope he does come back.

03:59:09.000 And I hope he is back on the stage in another debate.

03:59:11.000 Absolutely.

03:59:12.000 He is.

03:59:12.000 I'm sure we're going to want to talk to you after that one, too.

03:59:14.000 Governor, I know you have a busy day job.

03:59:17.000 Thank you for your time tonight.

03:59:17.000 We really very, very deeply appreciate it.

03:59:19.000 It's great to be with you.

03:59:20.000 Thanks.

03:59:21.000 Back to you, Rachel.

03:59:22.000 Alex Wagner with California Governor Gavin Newsom.

03:59:24.000 Many thanks to you both.

03:59:25.000 Jen Psaki has joined us here at the table.

03:59:27.000 Jen, what was...

03:59:29.000 What are you hearing from people you've been talking to over the course of the night?

03:59:32.000 Well, I've been listening to what you all have been saying and I don't think we should sugarcoat this.

03:59:35.000 This was not the debate performance that the Biden campaign team wanted or needed from this debate.

03:59:41.000 In part because they wanted to do this debate as early as they did to change this up, right?

03:59:46.000 To bring the Joe Biden who is at the State of the Union to the debate stage.

03:59:51.000 That's not the Joe Biden who showed up at the debate stage.

03:59:53.000 You could see inklings of that, or wrinkles of that, or whatever, at the post-debate event, right?

03:59:59.000 In the very last answer of the debate, when all of a sudden it was like, oh, he's warmed up!

04:00:04.000 Yes, and as you said, Rachel, he did improve as the night went on.

04:00:08.000 His voice improved.

04:00:09.000 His answers improved.

04:00:10.000 He had a couple of moments, I thought, his answer on calling out Trump's criminality was pretty good.

04:00:16.000 He was a little garbly on abortion.

04:00:18.000 If you're the campaign, you're going to push Moments there were a couple on social media, but it's not the debate they wanted I think the biggest challenge for them and Nicole's been talking about this a little bit and we've sat in similar chairs is How distracting all of the chatter is going which all getting on?

04:00:36.000 on email about whether he should be replaced.

04:00:39.000 That chatter is happening.

04:00:40.000 People are asking questions.

04:00:42.000 I don't mean it's from the American public writ large, and we don't know how they feel and we won't know for some time.

04:00:47.000 And if you look at history, this may not impact them at all.

04:00:50.000 But the chatter is very distracting and it's going to be very consuming for the campaign.

04:00:55.000 Should he be replaced?

04:00:56.000 They're going to be answering that question instead of breaking through on attack.

04:01:00.000 That's Joy, a version of this, too.

04:01:02.000 Is the chatter peanut gallery or is the chatter from deciders?

04:01:06.000 It is largely it depends on who deciders are, right?

04:01:10.000 Because the deciders are really the public.

04:01:13.000 I have not heard that from campaign operatives, but I have heard it from members of Congress.

04:01:18.000 I have heard it from people who have worked many Democrats.

04:01:23.000 Along those lines, what do we do now?

04:01:27.000 Can he still be replaced, right?

04:01:29.000 Now, is that chatter the same chatter?

04:01:32.000 I think Lawrence made this point earlier today, earlier this evening, in two weeks when Trump is sentenced and if Joe Biden goes out and has a strong couple It may not be, but incumbent upon the campaign to now dig out of this hole.

04:01:45.000 And that's not where you want to be coming out of a debate.

04:01:47.000 I will also say, I worked for President Obama in 2012 as his traveling press secretary when he absolutely bombed the first debate.

04:01:56.000 He face planted it.

04:01:57.000 And if he's watching, I'm sorry to say that, but it is a fact.

04:02:01.000 And that prompted him.

04:02:03.000 Anybody who's running for president is competitive.

04:02:05.000 Joe Biden's a competitive person.

04:02:06.000 Barack Obama's a competitive person.

04:02:08.000 If your back is against the wall, maybe he will bring his best self forward.

04:02:12.000 And we saw that in the post-event.

04:02:15.000 That's what they need to do.

04:02:16.000 But the distraction and the chatter is a headache for them.

04:02:21.000 them.

04:02:21.000 What would you I mean, if you were like, you know, on the campaign now and you have all this chatter, we're all hearing in our text, what do you think in the next 24 to 48 hours would you do?

04:02:34.000 Well, you've seen aides do this and you saw Governor Newsom do this a tiny bit at the end.

04:02:39.000 I mean, he said at the beginning he won the debate.

04:02:41.000 I don't think that's... Oh, he's an excellent surrogate, by the way.

04:02:44.000 Let me just say, A-1.

04:02:46.000 But he sort of, at the end, people have bad nights.

04:02:49.000 It was not a good night for Joe Biden, right?

04:02:51.000 I mean, he was great after, he was good at the State of the Union, but it wasn't a good debate performance.

04:02:56.000 You acknowledge that.

04:02:56.000 You let people take a little air out of the balloon.

04:02:58.000 You're not living in la-la land.

04:03:00.000 It wasn't a great debate.

04:03:01.000 You have to have him out there and active and doing a lot of events and being very vocal, right?

04:03:07.000 And Nicole said this earlier, the best thing you can do as a communicator, if you're advising him, is change the subject, right?

04:03:13.000 Is there an announcement you can make?

04:03:14.000 Is there a big surrogate?

04:03:15.000 Is there a Republican who's a surprise?

04:03:18.000 I mean, if Chris Christie is waiting in the wings to endorse tomorrow, what's today?

04:03:22.000 So, you know, I don't know what they have up their sleeves, but that's what they need.

04:03:27.000 I will also say, and I don't know the answer to this, so I'm posing it to you all.

04:03:30.000 I don't know when the Vice President agreed to come on MSNBC.

04:03:34.000 I don't know if it was long before the debate, perhaps.

04:03:37.000 If it wasn't, you don't send the Vice President of the United States out if you won the debate, typically.

04:03:44.000 So they are, I think, starting to think about... We knew we were going to get the Vice President.

04:03:52.000 But I do think that you'll see her out there more.

04:03:54.000 I think you should see him out there more.

04:03:57.000 And they need people like Governor Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer and Wes Moore and all these people out on the airwaves.

04:04:03.000 That's what they need.

04:04:04.000 On the Vice President question, obviously the most important role of the Vice President is to be the understudy in the case of the worst for the President.

04:04:13.000 And so speaking with, we haven't spoken with Vice President Harris yet, she's due to be joining us soon.

04:04:21.000 placing Joe Biden.

04:04:22.000 This is crazy.

04:04:23.000 Well, that's interesting because I do think when people chatter about replacing him, they don't always mention Vice President Harris and they should.

04:04:30.000 I mean, she's the Vice President of the United States. 1.00

04:04:32.000 She is first in line, but people think about a brokered convention and what that might look like, right?

04:04:37.000 And so I also think it's important for the campaign and for the Biden that she is absolutely with him and has his back and believes he has what it takes to be president.

04:04:46.000 Yeah.

04:04:47.000 So that outweighs the notion of she could replace him, I think, in there and how you weigh it on a campaign.

04:04:54.000 Jen, inside, who says what to the candidate?

04:05:01.000 That's a good question, Lawrence, and I know because you've done these meetings, it's like you never want to be the person.

04:05:06.000 I will say I remember in 2012, when President Obama bombed that debate, that he wasn't aware he bombed the debate.

04:05:13.000 This is crazy.

04:05:14.000 Right?

04:05:14.000 They never are.

04:05:16.000 David Plouffe, who was just on the air earlier, and David Axelrod, two of the closest advisors, were the ones who went and told him he bombed the debate.

04:05:22.000 He didn't watch it for a couple of days, and then he knew.

04:05:23.000 Romney.

04:05:24.000 Wow.

04:05:24.000 He David Plouffe, who was just on the air earlier, and David Axelrod, two of the closest advisers, were the ones who went and told him he bombed the debate.

04:05:35.000 He didn't watch it for a couple of days.

04:05:38.000 And then he knew I did not do well in the debate.

04:05:40.000 He gave one of the best and I was traveling with him all the time.

04:05:44.000 He gave one of the best performances at a rally the next day in Colorado that he gave the entire year because, again, they're competitive people.

04:05:50.000 I would say in this moment it is probably a combination of Mike Donilon, And Steve Ricchetti perhaps, Ron Klain of course, who are conveying directly to him how that debate performance went and where it goes from here.

04:06:11.000 Do you believe that doing the debate this early was a campaign idea or was it his idea?

04:06:16.000 I think likely a campaign idea that he would have to have signed off on.

04:06:22.000 I gotta say, I am not convinced, and I know you're gonna disagree with me on this, but I am not convinced that it was a bad idea to do the debate this early.

04:06:29.000 Because part of the calculus there is, let's not look like we're afraid to debate, and let's debate really early so if it goes really badly, a lot more water will be under the bridge by the time anybody has to make any sort of decision based on this.

04:06:43.000 I mean, having this debate in June is way better than having this debate in October.

04:06:48.000 Oh no, and I agree with you.

04:06:49.000 I actually, I thought it was a good idea from the standpoint of the biggest question that Biden faced from his own supporters, people who were with him but want to feel confident, is the stamina question.

04:07:00.000 So I think doing it, especially doing it in the summer, it's got like a pre, you know, July 4th kind of timing vibe.

04:07:07.000 It made logical sense.

04:07:09.000 The problem is they didn't deliver.

04:07:10.000 I mean, I think had he delivered and actually delivered a vigorous, even just a decent deliver, you know, sort of performance, I think this would have been a very smart idea.

04:07:19.000 But I think some of the decisions around it, I think putting him on the right, I still will maintain.

04:07:24.000 I know it seems like a small thing.

04:07:25.000 I think it was the wrong decision.

04:07:27.000 If you had the first coin flip, you should have put him on the left so he would look like he was looking at.

04:07:30.000 Trump, instead of looking out, you know, into the distance.

04:07:33.000 Or told him to just look the other direction.

04:07:37.000 I mean, they knew where the cameras were supposed to be.

04:07:39.000 And again, Donald Trump is a television performer.

04:07:42.000 He is not a president.

04:07:45.000 He didn't age when he was president because he wasn't president.

04:07:47.000 He was on the golf course the whole time.

04:07:50.000 He knows TV.

04:07:50.000 He knows where the red light is.

04:07:52.000 He knows where the cameras are.

04:07:52.000 He knows how to perform.

04:07:54.000 So going against him, you needed better optics for your...

04:07:58.000 Well, let's bring in some very important new voices to this conversation, people who are the people we've been talking about in the abstract all night, voters.

04:08:06.000 Joining us now from Phoenix, where he watched the debate with four voters, is NBC News correspondent Gatti Schwartz.

04:08:12.000 Gatti.

04:08:15.000 Fascinating stuff at the top of your hour because this is my panel right here.

04:08:19.000 We are in the backyard in Maricopa County here in Arizona and after we were done watching the debate, you're over here, the TVs are over here, they don't have IFBs in.

04:08:30.000 And so as you all were talking about the possibility of somebody else other than Biden running on the Democratic ticket or possibly an open convention, they were talking about this same thing and they are completely removed from these spin rooms and everything that's happening.

04:08:45.000 It's happening over there in Atlanta right now.

04:08:48.000 It's just really interesting to hear you all talk about that, to hear you all talk about that, all at the same time.

04:08:52.000 So, first off, I want to get your perspective and whether or not it changed, but when we came, when we set this up, we were talking about double-haters, the people that don't like either candidate.

04:09:07.000 How would you describe both candidates after tonight, starting with you?

04:09:12.000 Oh, so Trump, he didn't really answer questions.

04:09:17.000 He just kept rebuttaling what Biden said or bringing up something that has nothing to do with the question.

04:09:24.000 Biden, he was trying to answer the questions, but he also was trying to rebuttal Trump as well when he was, you know, coming at him about things that have nothing to do with the question, like, you know, golfing or things like that.

04:09:34.000 I saw you get pretty heated when they started talking about golfing.

04:09:37.000 Yeah, because why are you talking about golfing?

04:09:39.000 This is a political debate about presidency and how are you going to be in the office?

04:09:44.000 How is it going to be?

04:09:46.000 And you're talking about golfing right now?

04:09:48.000 And who has the better swing?

04:09:50.000 Yeah, that's when I wanted to tune out when I saw that.

04:09:52.000 I was just like, wow.

04:09:55.000 And Jeff, you're not a Democrat, and yet you're talking about who else can the Democrats run right now.

04:10:02.000 Tell me a little bit about what you're thinking.

04:10:04.000 So, I think what we just witnessed was, well the feeling I had inside was, Trump, hell no.

04:10:10.000 He lied through the whole thing.

04:10:12.000 And Biden is like, oh no, he is really in a bad shape.

04:10:17.000 Can he even run in the rest of the election or take the White House again?

04:10:23.000 I just don't see how that would work.

04:10:24.000 So yeah, maybe an open convention.

04:10:28.000 Open convention, the Democrats, and you're a McCain Republican here in Arizona.

04:10:33.000 Could you vote for somebody else that runs on the Democratic ticket?

04:10:37.000 If they're not liars and cheats, yeah, it's a tough choice and I think you said it best.

04:10:46.000 Yeah, I mean, Trump is an absolute no. 1.00

04:10:48.000 He's a liar and a thief and a rapist and all those other things. 1.00

04:10:51.000 It's just not acceptable. 1.00

04:10:52.000 That's the way I was brought up.

04:10:53.000 You don't lie and you take accountability for yourself.

04:10:57.000 At least Biden's that way.

04:10:58.000 He seems like an honorable and honest guy, but I don't think he's got the stamina.

04:11:04.000 I mean, Denise, you just made an observation when Biden popped up.

04:11:07.000 Can you share with us your observation there?

04:11:10.000 Well, it was interesting because before this started, we had talked about who's going to show up today.

04:11:16.000 You know, which Biden is going to show up, which Trump is going to show up.

04:11:18.000 Is it going to be a circus?

04:11:19.000 Is it going to be, you know, a show?

04:11:20.000 This is like so embarrassing. 0.95

04:11:22.000 I feel like when Trump was speaking, You know, he's got that orange skin and he had that silly smile and he moves his hands like this and I want to put a set of tambourines in between like the wind-up monkey because he pats himself on the back so much. 0.77

04:11:34.000 And here's Biden, unfortunately, poor thing, who he would talk and it was like the puppet master was like, oh here I am and I'm gonna go do this and then I'm over.

04:11:45.000 And his head was down, his eyes were glazed, it was like he was on and he was off.

04:11:51.000 And I think both parties should really think about an open convention.

04:11:55.000 Nicole, how do you categorize this choice?

04:12:01.000 I mean, it's like Sophie's choice, but reverse.

04:12:04.000 I don't want to make either choice because I was not surprised by their performance at all.

04:12:09.000 Trump acted like Trump, Biden acted like Biden, and that's why I'm frustrated with where we are today.

04:12:15.000 You're all talking about open conventions.

04:12:16.000 I don't think any of you are Democrats or card-carrying Democrats.

04:12:20.000 There are third-party candidates.

04:12:22.000 How do you all feel about RFK?

04:12:24.000 RFK Jr.?

04:12:25.000 Anybody?

04:12:26.000 I don't think he's got the mental acuity needed for that either.

04:12:32.000 No comment.

04:12:33.000 I have no comment on him.

04:12:34.000 I haven't really looked over his plan or what he plans to do or heard too much about him.

04:12:38.000 I saw there was a petition around trying to get him on ballot, but that's about it.

04:12:42.000 And Denise? 0.99

04:12:43.000 I don't think he's fit for this job of president.

04:12:46.000 I think he did a fine job on the state level.

04:12:49.000 I think he's good at doing other things, but he's just not good enough for president.

04:12:53.000 How about you, Nicole?

04:12:54.000 I mean, I look at who we have right now, and there's just lacking in leadership.

04:12:58.000 Both of them, poor leadership.

04:13:00.000 So, for me to consider somebody else, that's what I'm looking at.

04:13:03.000 I'm looking at leadership characteristics.

04:13:04.000 Now, there is something that we've been talking about, and I've been kind of reluctant on bringing it up, because I don't want you to get all kinds of hate from people.

04:13:11.000 But it's the idea of, like, I don't like any of these candidates, so I may not vote, but I'm scared of people saying, no, you have to vote.

04:13:19.000 And that seems to be a real concern.

04:13:22.000 Are you guys comfortable chatting about that?

04:13:24.000 I mean, like, starting with you, Nicole, like, is there a possibility that you just don't vote?

04:13:29.000 Right now, absolutely.

04:13:30.000 I mean, I was, back in 2016, it was all that chatter of, you know, it's your American right, it's your due diligence, and if you don't vote, then you're voting for the other person, and all of this that really had my husband and I prayerfully considering, like, Who do we vote for?

04:13:47.000 And with the two choices we have now, we don't.

04:13:49.000 We don't vote for them.

04:13:50.000 And I can feel more confident not voting for either of them than I can trying to... I did the lesser of two evils last time, and January 6th happened.

04:14:00.000 I cannot and will not do it again.

04:14:03.000 Actually, when we were watching the debate, every time January 6th came up, I saw you all lean forward.

04:14:08.000 When they started talking about January 6th tonight, what went through your minds, starting with you?

04:14:14.000 Stop saying that it's Nancy Pelosi's fault.

04:14:18.000 Start taking... Former President Trump needs to take accountability for his part in this as well.

04:14:26.000 I just can't even, I don't even want to go there because it just riles me so much that our country and our public buildings were just so defiled in that.

04:14:36.000 Because he keeps saying that the election was stolen from him.

04:14:41.000 It wasn't stolen, he was ousted from office, his four year job as contractor.

04:14:46.000 For the American people, he was fired and he needed to go.

04:14:49.000 And he did not go quietly.

04:14:50.000 There was another moment where I was watching you very intently as you were all watching the debate and I saw a lot of you lean forward when you start, when he, the question was about child care, right?

04:15:01.000 Jillian, you in particular.

04:15:02.000 Yeah.

04:15:03.000 And you kept leaning forward and then you just kept sitting back.

04:15:06.000 Yeah.

04:15:07.000 When you heard the questions, what was going through your mind?

04:15:08.000 Well, the main thing that was bothering me the most was when Biden was speaking about it, he was just saying, oh, it's only affecting blacks and Hispanics, but it's affecting everybody because child care is just expensive in general.

04:15:19.000 And then when it's time for Trump to answer the question, he didn't even answer it.

04:15:23.000 He didn't answer the question at all.

04:15:24.000 He just started talking about something else that had nothing to do with the question.

04:15:28.000 And even the moderator had to bring him back, like, hey, this is the question.

04:15:31.000 So it's just like, I don't like how they're not giving us any solutions.

04:15:36.000 I thought the debate was for solutions.

04:15:39.000 Like, this is what I'm going to do when I get into office.

04:15:42.000 It wasn't too much of that.

04:15:44.000 Jeff, did you see or hear any solutions?

04:15:47.000 Well, I don't know that Trump has any policies in mind, and I know Biden does, but I don't think... How's he going to execute those policies if he returns to office?

04:16:02.000 It's just...

04:16:04.000 Open convention.

04:16:06.000 Open convention.

04:16:07.000 And again, this is coming from non-democrats talking about open convention.

04:16:11.000 One of the other things that I thought was really important, you know, a lot of times when people are watching politics, they think everybody in the world is watching politics.

04:16:19.000 Three of you said something I thought was fascinating.

04:16:22.000 The truth is, how many here would have made it past three questions in this debate before turning the TV off?

04:16:28.000 One, just Jeff.

04:16:30.000 You three said that, no, and what would, at what point, if you weren't watching and hanging out with us and we weren't, you know, supplying you with all that guacamole, like, at what point would you have turned it off?

04:16:41.000 What part just turned you off completely?

04:16:44.000 The whole finger pointing.

04:16:45.000 Well, you did this and you did that.

04:16:47.000 And just, I came to watch, to try to watch two relatively sane people talk about what they're going to do for the country.

04:17:00.000 And we got two second graders having a slugfest on the playground.

04:17:05.000 Let's get the final bingo card up.

04:17:06.000 And with that, I will ask you, Denise, who did you vote for the last election?

04:17:11.000 I will say in the last election, I voted for everyone who ran for an office except the president because I wrote myself in the office.

04:17:21.000 You wrote Denise in.

04:17:22.000 I wrote Denise.

04:17:23.000 Denise in the writing kit.

04:17:24.000 Denise wrote on screen.

04:17:25.000 Alright.

04:17:26.000 With that, Rachel, I'll send it back to you.

04:17:28.000 Well, that would make for a very interesting... Here's the final version of debate bingo.

04:17:32.000 Okay, let's cut back to Rachel Maddow.

04:17:33.000 Let's go.

04:17:35.000 Candidate.

04:17:36.000 That would really give, I mean, she's the only one who's run a campaign.

04:17:38.000 That would give her a leg up. 1.00

04:17:40.000 Thanks, you guys.

04:17:41.000 That was fascinating.

04:17:42.000 With voters in Phoenix tonight.

04:17:47.000 Yeah, she's the one who's already started her campaign. 0.99

04:17:50.000 That was I'm really, really glad that we did that because that absolutely.

04:17:53.000 Particular, we're saying, Lawrence, but a lot of this discussion, I mean, the first.

04:17:59.000 Said that it was insane that they were talking about golfing.

04:18:04.000 Trump was not answering any questions.

04:18:06.000 Biden at least tried to answer.

04:18:07.000 The second voter said his answer was Trump.

04:18:10.000 Hell no.

04:18:11.000 Absolutely no way.

04:18:13.000 This is a guy's a Republican.

04:18:14.000 The guy's a Republican.

04:18:15.000 Absolutely no way. 1.00

04:18:16.000 He's a thief and a rapist. 1.00

04:18:18.000 Hell no. 1.00

04:18:18.000 But then his answer on Biden was, oh, no. 1.00

04:18:21.000 He seems like he's in bad shape.

04:18:23.000 He's an honorable person, but he seems like he's in bad shape.

04:18:26.000 Third person said Trump.

04:18:28.000 Constantly, she wanted to put symbols between his hands so they would like a monkey doing the wind up monkey thing.

04:18:36.000 Trump lying all the time.

04:18:38.000 But about Biden, she said, wow, I think describing him as being essentially inanimate.

04:18:42.000 Oh, no.

04:18:44.000 I love Joe Biden.

04:18:45.000 I know.

04:18:46.000 That, I mean, that was as positive a Joe Biden focus group as you could have with those.

04:18:54.000 Thank you.

04:18:55.000 Probably, because the ballot is going to be Trump versus Biden.

04:19:00.000 Yeah.

04:19:00.000 So there's probably three Biden voters if they pull in what we just saw.

04:19:07.000 And none of them registered Democrats.

04:19:08.000 And there's one who might not vote, which is fine.

04:19:12.000 That happens.

04:19:13.000 And so, there you see it.

04:19:15.000 You know, that Republican enabled enough.

04:19:22.000 Voted unenthusiastically.

04:19:24.000 Voted for what we used to call the lesser of two evils before we knew how evil it could be.

04:19:35.000 He's gonna go with Joe Biden no matter what Joe Biden's stamina level is in November and he's just gonna hope.

04:19:43.000 And in the programs of the campaign one of the might be for him What look at how much Joe Biden has achieved with a weak voice in his 80s.

04:19:59.000 He can still do that.

04:20:03.000 Dress the importance of staff to actually admit that the president.

04:20:08.000 For a voter like that, you know, to to understand that this this this is a possible vote he can cast.

04:20:15.000 But man, that was there was no one there saying that.

04:20:19.000 OK, that's the absolute end of Biden.

04:20:22.000 But I think.

04:20:25.000 Harris, I mean, there's a reason they put her on the ticket. 0.90

04:20:27.000 She gives you the youth and the vitality and the vigor that people want.

04:20:30.000 And I think that this is a reason to use her more.

04:20:32.000 Oh my God.

04:20:33.000 You have a couple of friends who have been focus groups again.

04:20:39.000 This is so great.

04:20:40.000 You have Maria Shriver saying, I love Joe Biden.

04:20:43.000 I know he's a good man.

04:20:45.000 Oh, I know his heart is good.

04:20:46.000 I know he's dedicated to our country.

04:20:49.000 Tonight was heartbreaking in many ways.

04:20:50.000 This is a big political moment.

04:20:52.000 There's panic in the Democrat Party.

04:20:54.000 It's gonna be a long night.

04:20:55.000 I mean, come on.

04:20:57.000 You know, what did these people think was gonna happen when they put up an Alzheimer's patient? 1.00

04:21:00.000 It's so fucked up. 1.00

04:21:02.000 They all knew. 1.00

04:21:03.000 They all knew that this guy was unfit.

04:21:06.000 Okay?

04:21:06.000 And that Trump did not help himself.

04:21:07.000 No matter what Biden did or didn't do, Trump did not help himself.

04:21:11.000 You know, and we've had this concern about no fact-checking in the debate.

04:21:15.000 But they're sitting there telling us that Donald Trump was lying.

04:21:19.000 So they have enough experience to not need the fact-checking.

04:21:25.000 They know when he's lying.

04:21:26.000 I don't think anybody in America needs to have it explained to them that Nancy Pelosi didn't cause January 6th.

04:21:32.000 I think the other thing that we're gonna learn in the coming days is...

04:21:38.000 I mean, and it's anecdotal, but it is the threat.

04:21:42.000 Voters know a lot about both of these men already.

04:21:47.000 If debates were the only thing that determined outcomes, neither of our bosses would have won.

04:21:54.000 I think he might quibble with losing all three.

04:21:55.000 He definitely lost the first two to John Kerry.

04:21:59.000 And he too had no idea that he'd lost.

04:22:02.000 There is a thing with incumbent presidents, sort of, And I don't think Joe Biden is actually like this, but there's just some chip in them like, I have to debate this.

04:22:09.000 McCain cited an insurrection against the government he ostensibly led.

04:22:16.000 I think the questions for the Biden campaign are, how quickly can you get yourself back on offense tomorrow morning?

04:22:22.000 How quickly can you change the topic?

04:22:24.000 And how quickly can you sort of reassure your coalition, which has a Adam Kinzinger and Jeff Duncan delivered straight to the Republicans who are, you know, like their voter, their AmeriCorps way, know how.

04:22:44.000 How quickly can you get yourself back to the structural imperative?

04:22:49.000 One of them is if they rewatch that debate and if the president watches that debate, it's very clear that his strength was when he was not listed.

04:23:02.000 to remember numbers and then correcting himself and losing the thread.

04:23:07.000 It was when he was passionately responding on veterans.

04:23:10.000 It was when he was talking about January 6th.

04:23:12.000 It was when he was...

04:23:15.000 As a statistician.

04:23:18.000 A record keeper.

04:23:19.000 A record keeper, as he was in the first half.

04:23:22.000 The other thing that I think is going to be a challenge for them, and this is sort of the inside-outside game, right?

04:23:26.000 It's voters, and we're talking about them, but it's also the Democratic operatives in the circle, is down-ballot candidates.

04:23:33.000 Because down-ballot candidates watch that debate and they worry about him being at the top of the ticket.

04:23:42.000 We've got much more to come tonight.

04:23:43.000 In just a few minutes, we are going to be speaking live with Vice President Kamala Harris.

04:23:47.000 And tomorrow, assure them as well.

04:23:50.000 We've got much more to come tonight.

04:23:51.000 In just a few minutes, we are going to be speaking live with Vice President Compton.

04:23:55.000 Thanks for her.

04:23:57.000 Stay with us.

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04:24:38.000 But, President Trump just came out victorious.

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04:25:12.000 This is bad.

04:25:13.000 The front page of Politico right now?

04:25:14.000 Biden is toast.

04:25:15.000 Let's cut really quick.

04:25:16.000 Pull up these clips.

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04:25:30.000 Biden is toast.

04:25:32.000 Live in the moment.

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04:25:36.000 Let's cut really quick.

04:25:39.000 Pull up these clips.

04:25:40.000 Put a Twitter.

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04:25:43.000 Put it on.

04:25:46.000 All right.

04:25:48.000 So I've been going through all the Twitter posts right now and we had a commercial break right there.

04:25:53.000 So I've been making notes on my phone here of all the different videos.

04:25:56.000 Let's go to Twitter and look at the feed because there's just a few things that you all need to see now because there's just so much going on.

04:26:01.000 So go to the front page of my Twitter feed.

04:26:07.000 Yeah, click on my timeline.

04:26:09.000 So you have a video of President Trump's advisor, James Blair, just posted this video.

04:26:15.000 So here we go.

04:26:16.000 President Trump emerges from the stage victorious.

04:26:19.000 So that's good.

04:26:20.000 Let's download that, play that.

04:26:23.000 Kamala Harris was also just on CNN and she she looks shook and she's sitting there and she's like oh well it was a slow start it was a slow start.

04:26:33.000 Let's go ahead and play this video right now of President Trump walking in to the room of his advisors and staff after just obliterating Joe Biden during this debate.

04:26:42.000 Let's go.

04:26:44.000 Also to look at the front page of Politico right now.

04:27:01.000 Go up, scroll up on my, uh, just tweeted it.

04:27:04.000 There we go.

04:27:05.000 Biden is toast.

04:27:06.000 My God, this is so bad.

04:27:08.000 There's so much panic in the Democrat Party right now.

04:27:11.000 Biden is toast.

04:27:12.000 Democrats are in full freak out over the president's debate performance.

04:27:15.000 Okay, exit out of that and scroll down.

04:27:18.000 Show you the front page of Drudge.

04:27:22.000 Keep on going, keep on going.

04:27:26.000 There's the Trump campaign statement.

04:27:28.000 So, Chris Law, Savita, and Susie Wiles.

04:27:31.000 Tonight, President Trump delivered the greatest debate performance and victory in history to the largest voter audience in history, making clear exactly how he will improve the lives of every American.

04:27:39.000 Over and over, President Trump highlighted common-sense plans to reduce inflation, bringing down the cost of groceries, housing, and gas, as well as his plans to bring back his successful first-term policies that kept our southern border secure and free from the wave of Biden migrant crimes currently sweeping our country. 0.99

04:27:55.000 Joe Biden, on the other hand, showed exactly why he deserves to be fired.

04:27:58.000 Despite taking a week-long vacation at Camp David to prepare for the debate, Biden wasn't able to defend his disastrous record on the economy and border throughout the debate.

04:28:09.000 He lied, invented stories, and could not articulate a single plan to make things less expensive.

04:28:14.000 Yeah, it's just really bad.

04:28:16.000 I mean, it just says President Trump is spot on when he says that if Joe Biden is too incompetent to stand trial, he's too incompetent to be president.

04:28:25.000 It's just incredible.

04:28:27.000 It really, honestly, is just so shocking.

04:28:29.000 I cannot believe that they actually put him on the debate stage.

04:28:32.000 Americans are struggling financially.

04:28:33.000 The families of Lakin Riley, Rachel Morin, Jocelyn Nungare, and every other victim of the Biden migrant crime are grieving.

04:28:42.000 Our country is on fire at home and we stand on the brink of World War III because of Joe Biden's incompetence, but we can turn it all around and bring back the American dream starting on day one by reelecting President Donald Trump.

04:28:54.000 So, wow, pretty powerful statement there from President Trump's campaign team.

04:28:58.000 Let's go to the video of Jill Biden.

04:29:01.000 It's just really an abomination.

04:29:03.000 Just tweeted it.

04:29:04.000 Jill Biden saying she's so proud of Joe.

04:29:06.000 Let's download this and play this clip.

04:29:08.000 It's just such a such an embarrassment.

04:29:10.000 What the hell is she wearing too? 0.86

04:29:12.000 It's just unbelievable.

04:29:14.000 Let's play this clip here.

04:29:15.000 It's just such an embarrassment.

04:29:16.000 This is elder abuse.

04:29:17.000 This really is elder abuse.

04:29:21.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

04:29:23.000 You heard Joe's heart tonight on the debate stage.

04:29:26.000 He wakes up every morning thinking about how he can make the lives of Americans better.

04:29:31.000 He's the president we need, the president you deserve.

04:29:35.000 Sign up at JoeBiden.com to help finish the job.

04:29:41.000 Yeah, oh, uh, sign up at JoeBiden.com to finish the job.

04:29:45.000 Finish what job?

04:29:45.000 Your husband's life?

04:29:47.000 Like, what are you gonna do?

04:29:49.000 Like, put him on another debate stage and make him stroke out?

04:29:52.000 Like, seriously, this is elder abuse. 0.99

04:29:54.000 This is ridiculous. 0.98

04:29:55.000 The guy can't even function, can't even stand up properly. 0.99

04:29:58.000 Like, what are you trying to do? 0.99

04:29:59.000 Are you trying to kill your husband? 0.86

04:30:00.000 What do you mean by finish the job? 0.99

04:30:02.000 He can't even speak or articulate a sentence.

04:30:04.000 You think that this guy is going to be able to serve another four years?

04:30:08.000 This is craziness.

04:30:09.000 This is absolute elder abuse. 0.91

04:30:11.000 And the fact that the Democrats are not, you know, pulling this crazy woman aside and telling her, hey, you know, this is wrong what you're doing to Joe Biden.

04:30:20.000 Again, I don't feel sorry for him, but it really is just so wrong.

04:30:24.000 So, again, we've been streaming for about four hours now, and I can't keep my staff here all night long, but there's going to be so much more coverage.

04:30:34.000 Stay tuned to my ex and my true social account, because I'm going to be live tweeting throughout the rest of the night, posting updates.

04:30:40.000 We just showed you about an hour and a half of post-debate meltdowns from MSNBC.

04:30:45.000 CNN and all the crazy liberals who are just losing their mind right now over Joe Biden just completely failing.

04:30:51.000 So, I'm so proud of President Trump.

04:30:54.000 Congratulations to President Trump and his amazing campaign team.

04:30:58.000 This was an incredible debate performance by President Trump and I just think that this debate is really, truly going to be a game changer.

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04:32:19.000 Thank you so much for spending your debate night with me.

04:32:22.000 History was really made tonight, so we're gonna see.

04:32:25.000 I think they're really gonna replace Joe Biden, but like I said, be sure that you're following me on Rumble Truth Social X. Getter and Gab for all of my live updates and My reports, I will be continuing my post-debate coverage tonight and all throughout tomorrow and the weekend as well, because I'm sure that there's not going to be a shortage of meltdowns from the Democrats.

04:32:46.000 And who knows?

04:32:46.000 Maybe, maybe we'll even see Joe Biden step aside.

04:32:49.000 Who knows?

04:32:50.000 It is that bad.

04:32:51.000 It is that serious of a situation.

04:32:52.000 This is a full-blown constitutional crisis that our country is experiencing right now.

04:32:57.000 But it's good for Trump.

04:32:59.000 It's good for Trump.

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Loomer Unleashed - June 27, 2024

EP55: LIVE COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WITH LAURA LOOMEREP55: LIVE COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WITH LAURA LOOMER

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