Loomer Unleashed - EP79: LIVE VP DEBATE COVERAGE: JD VANCE VS TIM WALZ

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

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00:20:10.000 I'm like so overstressed and overwhelmed, like I just can't do it.

00:20:14.000 Like, I don't even know if it's a good idea.

00:20:16.000 Like, I mean, I want to see you this weekend, but like, I'm just so overwhelmed.

00:20:20.000 I can't entertain anybody this weekend.

00:20:22.000 Like, I'm so stressed out.

00:20:23.000 I have to do so much.

00:20:25.000 I'm so behind on everything.

00:20:26.000 My taxes, the show.

00:20:27.000 like I should have started my stream 10 minutes ago.

00:20:30.000 So, how am I supposed to do all this stuff?

00:20:32.000 I'm scared.

00:20:34.000 I'll just, I want you to comment.

00:20:43.000 I'll just like respond.

00:20:44.000 I'll just like respond.

00:21:14.000 I have no idea.

00:21:44.000 I'm sorry, I'll call you tonight.

00:21:45.000 Bye.

00:21:57.000 Let's do the 17 seconds. 0.98

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00:22:32.000 And then bright core.

00:22:33.000 I thought there's four.

00:22:35.000 But bright core is number five.

00:22:39.000 And then Brightcore, I thought there's four.

00:22:41.000 Brightcore is four, five.

00:22:43.000 Okay.

00:22:44.000 Brightcore, four, five.

00:22:46.000 I have it behind me.

00:22:48.000 I have it behind me.

00:23:18.000 I have it behind me.

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00:25:22.000 Okay.

00:25:24.000 I have it behind me.

00:25:56.000 . .

00:26:26.000 .

00:26:26.000 Wait, what?

00:26:27.000 Oh, we're just going straight into the debate.

00:26:32.000 Where is it being hosted?

00:26:33.000 New York?

00:26:34.000 Is it CBS News?

00:26:35.000 Where is it being hosted?

00:26:40.000 New York?

00:26:41.000 Is it CBS News?

00:26:43.000 Are you okay, my love?

00:26:47.000 What?

00:27:09.000 What?

00:27:09.000 How long is it going for?

00:27:17.000 Yeah, I can't talk.

00:27:19.000 I can't talk.

00:27:31.000 I'm about to do my show.

00:27:32.000 You know, I don't think we'll be working together or something.

00:27:35.000 I can't talk.

00:28:05.000 I can't talk.

00:28:35.000 I'm your host, Laura Lumer.

00:28:37.000 Tonight is an exciting night.

00:28:38.000 It's the first vice presidential debate between J.D.

00:28:42.000 Vance, who of course is President Donald Trump's pick for vice president, and then he is debating Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota, who of course is Kamala Harris's pick for vice president.

00:28:52.000 So the debate is going to be live in about 10 minutes.

00:28:56.000 And so we are going to be streaming the entire debate live.

00:29:00.000 It is on CBS News, but I will be providing my commentary and coverage and fact checking in real time.

00:29:06.000 And so if you're watching now, please be sure that you repost the Rumble link, rumble.com slash Laura Loomer.

00:29:13.000 You're going to want to download the Rumble app and subscribe to my channel.

00:29:17.000 Again, that's rumble.com slash Laura Loomer.

00:29:20.000 And then also, if you're one of the viewers who is watching on X tonight, please be sure that you follow me on X and that you also retweet the link so that other people can watch as well.

00:29:31.000 It's going to be a lot of great coverage tonight, and there's a lot to talk about, and I'm sure that, you know, we're going to see Tim Walz lie.

00:29:40.000 That's what Kamala Harris and Tim Walz do. 0.99

00:29:42.000 They lie.

00:29:43.000 The Democrats have nothing but lies on their side.

00:29:45.000 So things that you can expect to see tonight.

00:29:47.000 I'm sure Tim Walls is going to attack J.D. Vance for his perceived, I guess what they want to call the Republican Party's war on women.

00:29:58.000 You're going to see Tim Walls constantly bring up the topic of abortion.

00:30:01.000 I'm sure that they'll attack J.D. Vance for his comments on childless cat ladies.

00:30:07.000 Given the ballistic missile attack on Israel today by Iran, you're going to see the Democrats and in this case, Tim Walls try to pivot away from his ties to Hamas and his ties to Iranian proxies.

00:30:23.000 We know that he has a lot of ties to Islamic jihadists, given his background as the governor of Minnesota, a state where jihadists are rampant.

00:30:34.000 And there's multiple photographs, as we know, from My own exclusive reporting here on Loomer Unleashed, and you can find those reports on Loomer.com that show Governor Tim Walz with associates of ISIS, associates of Hamas, associates of Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood in his home state of Minnesota.

00:30:52.000 So those are just some of my predictions.

00:30:56.000 I'm sure that maybe we'll see J.D.

00:30:58.000 Vance bring up the fact that Tim Walz is so radical that not even his own family members will support him and his own brother, another exclusive story that I broke, called Joe Biden and Kamala Harris a third world banana republic.

00:31:12.000 And that, of course, was posted on Jeff Walls, that's the brother of Tim Walls, his Facebook page the same day that the Biden-Harris DOJ had Donald Trump indicted in his case in Manhattan, New York, which was overseen, of course, by Judge Juan Merchant.

00:31:29.000 So those are just a few of my predictions tonight.

00:31:33.000 Let's see what time it is.

00:31:34.000 Let's see.

00:31:35.000 Again, if you're watching live, we have about nine minutes left.

00:31:39.000 Nine minutes left.

00:31:40.000 So be sure that if you're watching on your phone, watching on your TV, that you repost the live link so that everybody can watch it.

00:31:48.000 We're going to have a lot of great coverage tonight.

00:31:50.000 And then, of course, you're going to want to download Rumble.com.

00:31:56.000 Our thoughts and prayers are with the people of Israel tonight who are under attack by Iran. 0.88

00:32:03.000 We saw that Iran is now threatening Israel. 0.96

00:32:06.000 They're threatening to eradicate the Jewish people, the Jewish state, after Israel successfully took out the leader of Hezbollah and other officials and top leaders in Hezbollah and Hamas.

00:32:17.000 And so it's a real shame because tomorrow, of course, is the first day of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.

00:32:22.000 And so to all my Jewish viewers, if you're watching, I want to wish all of you Shana Tova a sweet and happy New Year.

00:32:30.000 But it's just a shame that the people of Israel, they say majority of the people in Israel are currently hiding out in bomb shelters to escape and really evade all of those ballistic missiles that are crashing down.

00:32:44.000 I saw a report earlier today that said that Iran spent $300 million on those ballistic missiles that they fired into Israel today.

00:32:53.000 And no Israelis died, but the single person who did die was a Palestinian.

00:32:58.000 And so it just goes to show you that the Iranians, they're killing their own people. 1.00

00:33:02.000 They're killing their own people and the people that they claim to support. 0.97

00:33:06.000 They claim to support the Palestinians, okay? 1.00

00:33:08.000 They are supporters and funders of Hamas and Hezbollah.

00:33:12.000 I believe we have that clip.

00:33:13.000 We can show that clip momentarily here.

00:33:16.000 Before we get into the debate coverage tonight, it's really a horrific clip if you haven't seen it.

00:33:21.000 A Palestinian man just standing underneath a lamppost and then all of a sudden some of the wreckage from one of the Iranian missiles falls on his head and it's so heavy.

00:33:33.000 You can imagine thousands of pounds of metal just falling on top of somebody's body.

00:33:39.000 And it landed on his head and it literally decapitated him.

00:33:43.000 And so I want to warn you that the video that you're about to see is quite graphic, but you should just see the carnage that the Iranian Islamic regime is carrying out. 0.87

00:33:52.000 And of course, these were attacks intended for the Jews, the people of Israel, but there are lots of casualties in war.

00:34:01.000 And in this case, they ended up killing a Palestinian.

00:34:04.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

00:34:08.000 Weeeeee! 1.00

00:34:09.000 - Roay! - Roay! - Roay! - Roay! - Very graphic.

00:34:27.000 And we saw today that President Donald Trump issued a statement, and he's right.

00:34:31.000 You know, President Trump has been warning about the fact that we are on the verge of World War III.

00:34:35.000 He's been talking about this for years now, and he said it last year when he was campaigning in the Republican presidential primary.

00:34:43.000 There's numerous clips of him talking about how he's the only person who can prevent us from World War III.

00:34:49.000 And he said that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, of course, have been very easy on Iran.

00:34:53.000 Iran was broke when President Trump was in the White House, and now they are receiving tons of money.

00:34:58.000 And I really want to know, how many missiles do you think they were able to purchase with the $16 billion that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris gave them?

00:35:06.000 I don't know.

00:35:06.000 Somebody do the math.

00:35:07.000 I don't know how much those things cost, but $16 billion.

00:35:11.000 We know that the attacks today cost $300 million.

00:35:14.000 So Joe Biden, Kamala Harris funding ballistic missile attacks.

00:35:19.000 And then there was another report I saw posted by Caroline Glick.

00:35:23.000 I retweeted that.

00:35:24.000 You can go on my ex feed and you can see that post for yourself.

00:35:27.000 Let's see if we can get Caroline's tweet pulled up. 1.00

00:35:30.000 Because essentially what she was highlighting is the fact that the United States government, the Biden-Harris regime, is in touch with the Iranian regime, telling them how brutal they can be towards Israel.

00:35:45.000 So it's like controlling the level of carnage.

00:35:49.000 Insighting the level of carnage.

00:35:50.000 I mean, this is very backwards.

00:35:51.000 This is very twisted. 0.71

00:35:53.000 This is very diabolical to think that our own government is coordinating with the Iranians. 1.00

00:35:57.000 Channel 14 reported that the U.S.

00:35:59.000 and Iran are negotiating the scope of the strike so that the U.S.

00:36:02.000 will be able to compel Israel not to retaliate.

00:36:05.000 Get it?

00:36:05.000 The Biden-Harris administration is repeatedly telling a U.S.

00:36:08.000 enemy, you know, the people chanting, death to America, death to America, death to America, holding the signs of our leaders burning on fire.

00:36:16.000 What level of assault against the U.S.

00:36:18.000 ally is acceptable?

00:36:19.000 So, again, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, they love Iran.

00:36:23.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip from President Trump, and you can see there's back-to-back clips.

00:36:27.000 There's three clips, actually.

00:36:29.000 Let's go ahead and play all three, and then you can see President Trump on three separate occasions talking about Obama has plenty to do with it.

00:36:37.000 Of course, the fact that they were going to get us into World War Three and their support and emboldening of Islamic jihadists was going to get us into war. 0.99

00:36:45.000 And as Donald Trump always says, there will not be any more Israel left.

00:36:49.000 Israel will be eradicated. 0.99

00:36:50.000 We'll have another Holocaust unless he gets back in. 1.00

00:36:52.000 Let's go ahead and play this clip.

00:36:53.000 Obama has plenty to do with it.

00:36:58.000 I call him Biden's boss.

00:37:01.000 But he has plenty to do with it.

00:37:04.000 Very, very, very serious.

00:37:05.000 We are in very, very grave danger of having a World War III.

00:37:11.000 And this will be a war.

00:37:12.000 This will be a war of obliteration.

00:37:14.000 This will not be a war with, I say, Army tanks going back and forth, shooting at each other.

00:37:19.000 This is the real deal.

00:37:21.000 And we have a man that — he can't even walk off a stage.

00:37:25.000 He walks off a stage.

00:37:27.000 He finishes his speech.

00:37:28.000 He looks — oh.

00:37:31.000 Well, he can't find — he has no idea.

00:37:34.000 You know, there's always a stare there, a stare here.

00:37:37.000 You could even walk off the front, jump or something, do something.

00:37:40.000 He usually walks to the back into a wall.

00:37:43.000 Yeah.

00:37:43.000 There's a wall there.

00:37:45.000 He walks right into a wall.

00:37:46.000 Can't walk off the stage.

00:37:47.000 Can't put two sentences together.

00:37:49.000 And yet, he's negotiating with President Xi of China, who, when I say he's very smart, the press — look at — that's a lot of press back there.

00:38:00.000 That's a lot.

00:38:03.000 So, for him to negotiate with President Xi of China is like my high school football team playing the — let's see, what's a good team nowadays?

00:38:14.000 Philadelphia is good.

00:38:15.000 You know, they change a little bit.

00:38:18.000 I used to say New England.

00:38:19.000 I used to say the Patriots.

00:38:22.000 I'd love to be able to say the Patriots.

00:38:24.000 He's a great guy, great coach.

00:38:26.000 But they're having a little hard time.

00:38:29.000 What's going on with the Patriots, huh?

00:38:31.000 But he is, he's a great coach.

00:38:34.000 He'll figure it out somehow.

00:38:36.000 He's gonna figure it out.

00:38:37.000 But that was not a good game last night, was it, huh?

00:38:40.000 But it's like playing a professional team. 0.89

00:38:42.000 It's ridiculous for him to be negotiating with these people.

00:38:45.000 These people, I got to know them all.

00:38:47.000 They're at the top of their game.

00:38:49.000 They're at the top of their game.

00:38:51.000 And we have somebody that 30 years ago wasn't at the top of any game.

00:38:55.000 He wasn't 30 years ago.

00:38:56.000 And I'm the only person I can say this, I will stop World War III, and we're very close to having World War III. 0.89

00:39:07.000 But all of that was only the beginning.

00:39:11.000 Here are some of the rather bold agenda items that I will immediately implement when we become the 47th President of the United States.

00:39:22.000 Before I even arrive at the Oval Office shortly after I win the presidency, I will have the war between Russia and Ukraine settled.

00:39:32.000 I'll do it in 24 hours.

00:39:33.000 It's not tough to do.

00:39:35.000 That's easy compared to... That's easy compared to a lot of things.

00:39:42.000 No handshaking.

00:39:43.000 There you have it.

00:39:43.000 Governor Walz appears to be taking some notes.

00:39:46.000 J.D.

00:39:46.000 Vance doing the same as our colleagues.

00:39:49.000 Maybe he was shaking hands before the cameras came.

00:39:52.000 That's right.

00:39:53.000 Well, we have the vice presidential debate coming up in a minute.

00:39:57.000 All right.

00:39:58.000 The vice presidential debate is about to start in the next 30 seconds.

00:40:02.000 And so I'm going to cut to the full screen of the debate that is on CBS News.

00:40:08.000 And so if you want to repost, we are live right now on rumble.com slash Laura Loomer and also on X. And you will be able to watch the entire vice presidential debate between J.D.

00:40:18.000 Vance and Tim Walz live right now.

00:40:20.000 So I'm going to cut away to the debate.

00:40:22.000 So

00:40:48.000 Tonight, with just over a month to go until election day, the first and only meeting between the two men who hope to become vice president of the United States.

00:40:56.000 Democratic Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota and Republican Senator J.D.

00:41:00.000 Vance of Ohio.

00:41:02.000 Now this is likely the final debate of this election cycle and voting is already underway in 20 states.

00:41:08.000 CBS News polling shows this remains a race either presidential candidate could win.

00:41:13.000 The CBS News vice presidential debate starts now.

00:41:17.000 Fight for every single vote and we're going to take this country back.

00:41:20.000 And we are ready to continue to build the future together.

00:41:24.000 We're going to turn this whole country red with President Donald J. Trump's leadership.

00:41:28.000 You know what's at the end of this little journey?

00:41:32.000 Kamala Harris as the next President of the United States.

00:41:36.000 This is a CBS News Special.

00:41:38.000 Live from CBS News Headquarters in New York, America Decides.

00:41:44.000 The Vice Presidential Debate.

00:41:48.000 Good evening, I'm Nora O'Donnell, and thank you for joining us for tonight's CBS News Vice Presidential Debate.

00:41:55.000 We want to welcome our viewers on CBS, on other networks here in the U.S.

00:42:00.000 and around the world.

00:42:01.000 We have a consequential night ahead, and our focus is the issues that matter to you, the voter.

00:42:06.000 Let's introduce the candidates.

00:42:08.000 Minnesota's Democratic Governor, Tim Walz, and Ohio's Republican Senator, J.D.

00:42:12.000 Katie Vance, tonight, meeting for the first time.

00:42:16.000 I'm Margaret Brennan.

00:42:22.000 In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to.

00:42:28.000 Questions will be directed at one candidate, who will have two minutes to respond.

00:42:33.000 The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal.

00:42:36.000 Then each candidate will get another minute to make further points, with an additional one minute each at the discretion of the moderator.

00:42:44.000 The primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules, and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact-check claims made by each other.

00:42:55.000 CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidates' microphones to maintain decorum.

00:43:00.000 We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaigns.

00:43:04.000 The stage is set.

00:43:05.000 Governor, Senator, thank you for joining us.

00:43:08.000 Let's get started.

00:43:10.000 Tonight our country is facing several unfolding crises.

00:43:13.000 The Middle East is on the brink of war.

00:43:15.000 Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene.

00:43:19.000 And now a labor union is 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.

00:43:24.000 We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.

00:43:27.000 Margaret.

00:43:28.000 Thank you, Nora.

00:43:29.000 Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S.

00:43:37.000 and Israeli defensive action.

00:43:39.000 President Obama has deployed more than 40,000 U.S.

00:43:42.000 military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war.

00:43:50.000 Iran is weakened.

00:43:52.000 But the U.S.

00:43:52.000 still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.

00:44:01.000 It is down now to one or two weeks time.

00:44:05.000 Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

00:44:15.000 You have two minutes.

00:44:16.000 Well, thank you.

00:44:17.000 And thank you for those joining at home tonight.

00:44:19.000 Let's keep in mind where this started.

00:44:21.000 October 7th, Hamas terrorists Massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.

00:44:31.000 Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.

00:44:34.000 Because his entire constituency are jihadi Muslims in Minnesota and he's friends with... 1.00

00:44:41.000 Gaza.

00:44:42.000 But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. 1.00

00:44:50.000 You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.

00:44:58.000 But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.

00:45:02.000 It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.

00:45:12.000 But it's not just that.

00:45:14.000 It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous.

00:45:20.000 His Chief of Staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met.

00:45:25.000 And both of his Secretaries of Defense And his national security advisors said he should be nowhere near the White House.

00:45:33.000 Now the person closest to them, Donald Trump, said he's unfit for the highest office.

00:45:40.000 That was Senator Vance.

00:45:41.000 What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership.

00:45:46.000 We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together.

00:45:52.000 Understanding that our allies matter.

00:45:55.000 When our allies see Donald Trump turn towards Vladimir Putin, turn towards North Korea, when we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed.

00:46:09.000 And as the Vice President said today is, we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences.

00:46:16.000 Governor, your time is up.

00:46:17.000 Senator Vance, the same question.

00:46:19.000 Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

00:46:25.000 You have two minutes.

00:46:26.000 So, Margaret, I want to answer the question.

00:46:27.000 First of all, thanks, Governor.

00:46:29.000 Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate.

00:46:30.000 And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.

00:46:37.000 I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.

00:46:44.000 I was raised in a working class family.

00:46:46.000 My mother required food assistance for periods of her life. 0.98

00:46:48.000 My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me.

00:46:52.000 And she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.

00:46:56.000 I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.

00:47:01.000 And so I stand here asking to be your Vice President with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams.

00:47:10.000 And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.

00:47:17.000 I want to try to convince you tonight, over the next 90 minutes, that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American Dream is going to be attainable once again.

00:47:27.000 Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.

00:47:40.000 People were afraid of stepping out of line.

00:47:42.000 Iran, which launched this attack, has received over a hundred billion dollars in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.

00:47:51.000 What do they use that money for?

00:47:52.000 They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.

00:47:59.000 Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.

00:48:04.000 They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

00:48:12.000 Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.

00:48:15.000 Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe.

00:48:19.000 And we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

00:48:23.000 I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.

00:48:26.000 Thank you, Senator.

00:48:28.000 Governor Walz, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?

00:48:32.000 Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.

00:48:33.000 We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.

00:48:46.000 Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.

00:48:50.000 So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.

00:48:55.000 And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted, because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.

00:49:04.000 And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S.

00:49:08.000 troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.

00:49:15.000 Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.

00:49:19.000 He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.

00:49:23.000 Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.

00:49:27.000 Both Iranian attacks were repelled.

00:49:29.000 Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.

00:49:34.000 Senator Vance, the U.S.

00:49:36.000 did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program, and President Trump did exit that deal.

00:49:45.000 He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S.

00:49:49.000 must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.

00:49:55.000 Did he make a mistake?

00:49:56.000 You have one minute.

00:49:57.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word.

00:50:00.000 But I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.

00:50:03.000 You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.

00:50:08.000 And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.

00:50:10.000 Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?

00:50:13.000 And the answer is you're running mate, not mine.

00:50:15.000 Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.

00:50:19.000 Now, we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now.

00:50:24.000 And you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.

00:50:28.000 But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?

00:50:32.000 It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.

00:50:36.000 So Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets.

00:50:39.000 But effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.

00:50:46.000 Donald Trump has already done it once before.

00:50:48.000 Ask yourself at home, when was the last time?

00:50:52.000 I'm 40 years old.

00:50:53.000 When was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?

00:50:57.000 The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.

00:51:00.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to.

00:51:02.000 Nora?

00:51:03.000 Margaret, thank you.

00:51:04.000 Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene. 0.71

00:51:06.000 The storm could become one of the deadliest on record.

00:51:10.000 More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

00:51:15.000 Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall.

00:51:24.000 Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, 7 in 10 Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S.

00:51:34.000 taking steps to try and reduce climate change.

00:51:37.000 Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?

00:51:45.000 I'll give you two minutes.

00:51:46.000 Sure, so first of all let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.

00:51:51.000 I just saw today actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives and I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible and then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities He is not.

00:52:20.000 He is not carrying himself well.

00:52:23.000 But look you guys, everything that I told you in the beginning is coming true.

00:52:28.000 I told you that they were going to try to pretend to be tough on Iran. 1.00

00:52:31.000 You asked about climate change.

00:52:33.000 I think this is a very important issue.

00:52:34.000 Look, a lot of people are just finally worried about all these crazy weather patterns.

00:52:38.000 I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.

00:52:43.000 We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.

00:52:45.000 But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions.

00:52:52.000 This idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.

00:52:55.000 Well, let's just say that's true.

00:52:56.000 Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true.

00:53:00.000 Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?

00:53:03.000 The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.

00:53:15.000 What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to? 0.99

00:53:18.000 More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. 0.99

00:53:25.000 And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.

00:53:30.000 So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.

00:53:39.000 And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite. 1.00

00:53:42.000 Governor Walz, you have two minutes to respond.

00:53:44.000 Well, we got close to an agreement because all those things are happening.

00:53:47.000 Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane, and my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors.

00:53:57.000 I serve as Co-chair of the Council of Governors as we work together on these emergency managements.

00:54:02.000 Governors know no partisanship.

00:54:04.000 They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground.

00:54:08.000 Those happen on the front end.

00:54:10.000 The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there to that we recover, but we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused.

00:54:17.000 Now look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen.

00:54:24.000 Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past.

00:54:27.000 Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in.

00:54:33.000 What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment.

00:54:39.000 We've seen massive investments.

00:54:41.000 The biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country.

00:54:48.000 2,000 in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making it here.

00:54:53.000 200,000 jobs across the country.

00:54:55.000 The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sets in Minnesota.

00:55:00.000 But my farmers know climate change is real.

00:55:02.000 They've seen 500-year droughts, 500-year floods back to back.

00:55:06.000 But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, harvest, soybean, harvest.

00:55:12.000 I don't like talking loud during these debates because I like being able to let you guys hear what they have to say.

00:55:17.000 But you can follow my live tweets because I'm posting my reactions live.

00:55:21.000 for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real.

00:55:26.000 Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice.

00:55:30.000 You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country.

00:55:35.000 That's exactly what this administration has done.

00:55:37.000 We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.

00:55:42.000 And that's what absolutely makes sense.

00:55:44.000 And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters.

00:55:49.000 Thank you.

00:55:49.000 Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there.

00:55:51.000 The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax.

00:55:55.000 Do you agree?

00:55:57.000 Well look, what the President has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.

00:56:11.000 So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.

00:56:15.000 If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.

00:56:19.000 Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon, because when we talk about clean energy, I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here.

00:56:28.000 I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership.

00:56:30.000 And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier. 0.99

00:56:41.000 We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.

00:56:45.000 Senator, your time is up.

00:56:45.000 but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels.

00:56:51.000 So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production.

00:56:56.000 We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years.

00:57:00.000 Natural gas, we've got to invest more in it.

00:57:02.000 Kamala Harris has done the opposite.

00:57:04.000 That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing this by the climate.

00:57:08.000 Senator, your time is up.

00:57:08.000 Governor, would you like to respond?

00:57:10.000 Well, look, we're producing more natural gas than we ever have.

00:57:13.000 There's no moratorium on that.

00:57:14.000 We're producing more oil.

00:57:15.000 But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks.

00:57:20.000 These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks.

00:57:22.000 These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year.

00:57:27.000 They understand that it makes sense.

00:57:28.000 Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms.

00:57:34.000 We saw it in Minnesota this summer.

00:57:36.000 And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this.

00:57:40.000 And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.

00:57:45.000 The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future.

00:57:49.000 How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?

00:57:52.000 How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?

00:57:56.000 But to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago, say, give me money for my campaign, And I'll let you do whatever you want.

00:58:06.000 We can be smarter about that, and an all-above-energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. 1.00

00:58:12.000 Governor, your time is up.

00:58:13.000 The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

00:58:18.000 Margaret.

00:58:19.000 Thank you, Nora.

00:58:20.000 We're going to turn now to immigration.

00:58:22.000 The crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issues for American voters.

00:58:30.000 Senator Vance.

00:58:31.000 Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history and to use the U.S.

00:58:39.000 military to do so.

00:58:41.000 Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?

00:58:45.000 For example, would you deport parents who have entered the U.S.

00:58:48.000 illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on U.S. 0.94

00:58:53.000 soil?

00:58:54.000 You have two minutes.

00:58:55.000 So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

00:58:59.000 We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. 0.98

00:59:08.000 94 executive orders suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, Massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.

00:59:17.000 That has opened the floodgates.

00:59:19.000 And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.

00:59:23.000 I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.

00:59:26.000 I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels.

00:59:35.000 So you've got to stop the bleeding.

00:59:37.000 You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies.

00:59:40.000 Build the wall.

00:59:42.000 Reimplement deportations.

00:59:43.000 And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do?

00:59:46.000 So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country.

00:59:50.000 What do we do with them?

00:59:51.000 I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants. 1.00

00:59:54.000 About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.

01:00:00.000 I think you start with deportations on those folks.

01:00:03.000 And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. 0.99

01:00:08.000 A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country.

01:00:12.000 And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.

01:00:18.000 And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.

01:00:21.000 Right now, in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.

01:00:29.000 Some of them have been sex trafficked.

01:00:30.000 Some of them, hopefully, are at homes with their families.

01:00:33.000 Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.

01:00:36.000 The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately, Kamala Harris's wide-open southern border. 1.00

01:00:42.000 And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.

01:00:50.000 Real leadership would be saying, you know what?

01:00:52.000 I screwed up.

01:00:53.000 We're going to go back to Donald Trump's border policy.

01:00:56.000 I wish that she would do that.

01:00:58.000 It would be good for all of us.

01:01:03.000 Governor, do you care to respond to any of those specific allegations, including that the vice president is, quote, letting in fentanyl?

01:01:14.000 We are live right now, so please be sure that you're reposting the live link on X and Rumble.

01:01:22.000 Rumble.com slash Laura Loomer.

01:01:23.000 Fentanyl is not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis.

01:01:32.000 And the good news on this is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history.

01:01:39.000 30% 30% decrease in Ohio.

01:01:42.000 But there's still more work to do.

01:01:44.000 But let's go back to this on immigration.

01:01:46.000 Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and border state in California. 0.66

01:01:50.000 She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.

01:01:57.000 But look, we all want to solve this.

01:01:59.000 Most of us want to solve this.

01:02:02.000 And that is the United States Congress.

01:02:04.000 That's the Border Patrol agents.

01:02:05.000 That's the Chamber of Commerce.

01:02:07.000 That's most Americans out here.

01:02:08.000 That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen.

01:02:15.000 It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford.

01:02:19.000 I know him.

01:02:19.000 He's super conservative, but he's a man of principle.

01:02:21.000 Wants to get it done.

01:02:22.000 Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation.

01:02:25.000 The Border Patrol said, this is what we need in here.

01:02:27.000 These are the experts.

01:02:31.000 We've seen that we've confronted Senator Tammy Baldwin, Senator Bob Casey.

01:02:34.000 We've confronted Jackie Rosen, Elisa Slotkin.

01:02:39.000 We asked them, do you support Kamala Harris' plan to legalize fentanyl?

01:02:43.000 And then they say, nothing.

01:02:44.000 They walk inside.

01:02:46.000 Donald Trump said no.

01:02:47.000 Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.

01:02:51.000 It gives him to, what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?

01:02:55.000 And they need to be done by the legislature.

01:02:58.000 You can't just do this through the executive branch.

01:03:00.000 So look, we have the options to do this.

01:03:02.000 Donald Trump had four years.

01:03:04.000 He had four years to do this.

01:03:06.000 And he promised you, America, how easy it would be.

01:03:08.000 I'll build you a big, beautiful wall, and Mexico will pay for it. 0.98

01:03:12.000 Less than 2% of that wall got built, and Mexico didn't pay a dime.

01:03:15.000 But here we are again, nine years after he came down that escalator.

01:03:20.000 Dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do.

01:03:24.000 As far as a deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable.

01:03:29.000 So, that's where we're at.

01:03:30.000 Pass the bill, she'll sign it. 0.99

01:03:33.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:03:34.000 Senator, the question was will you separate parents from their children even if their kids are U.S.

01:03:41.000 citizens?

01:03:41.000 You have one minute.

01:03:42.000 Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. 0.99

01:03:47.000 I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.

01:03:50.000 I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country and we know that they use children as drug mules and it is a disgrace and it has to stop.

01:04:00.000 Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.

01:04:03.000 For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. 1.00

01:04:09.000 She did exactly that.

01:04:11.000 We had a record number of illegal crossings.

01:04:13.000 We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.

01:04:15.000 And now, Well, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.

01:04:23.000 The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border. 0.91

01:04:35.000 This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.

01:04:40.000 Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president.

01:04:45.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:04:47.000 Governor, what about our CBS News polling, which does show that a majority of Americans, more than 50%, support mass deportations?

01:04:57.000 Look, we fixed this issue with a bill that is necessary, but the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it.

01:05:04.000 You demonize it.

01:05:06.000 And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this.

01:05:09.000 Demonize it?

01:05:09.000 Talking about and saying, I will create stories to bring attention to this.

01:05:14.000 They let 13,000 murderers in and 15,000 rapists.

01:05:20.000 They deserve to be demonized.

01:05:22.000 The Republican governor said it's not true.

01:05:26.000 Don't do it.

01:05:26.000 There's consequences for this.

01:05:28.000 There's consequences.

01:05:28.000 We could come together.

01:05:30.000 Senator Lankford did it.

01:05:31.000 We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue.

01:05:36.000 And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send State law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school.

01:05:44.000 I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point.

01:05:52.000 And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.

01:05:59.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:06:01.000 Senator, I'll give you one minute.

01:06:02.000 They're eating the dogs! 0.90

01:06:02.000 They're eating the cats! 0.90

01:06:03.000 Let me just ask you the question first.

01:06:05.000 The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.

01:06:14.000 So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this.

01:06:20.000 Do you disagree?

01:06:22.000 That Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement.

01:06:29.000 You have one minute.

01:06:30.000 Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job.

01:06:36.000 I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.

01:06:37.000 Kamala Harris has been and it's actually heartbreaking.

01:06:40.000 Because the Border Patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job.

01:06:44.000 Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the President and the Vice President empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico, you've got to go back through proper channels.

01:06:57.000 Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.

01:07:03.000 Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed, you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed, you've got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. 1.00

01:07:20.000 The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.

01:07:28.000 It is a disgrace, Tim.

01:07:29.000 And I actually think, I agree with you, I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does.

01:07:35.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:07:36.000 Governor, you have one minute to respond.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, well, it is law enforcement that asked for the bill.

01:07:42.000 They helped craft it.

01:07:43.000 They're the ones that supported it.

01:07:44.000 It was, that's because they know we need to do this.

01:07:47.000 Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, Blaming migrants for everything.

01:07:55.000 On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable.

01:08:00.000 But it becomes a blame.

01:08:02.000 Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate.

01:08:07.000 I agree, it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done.

01:08:10.000 This bill gets it done in 90 days.

01:08:12.000 Then you start to make a difference in this, and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles.

01:08:17.000 I don't talk about my faith a lot.

01:08:19.000 But Matthew 2540 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me.

01:08:24.000 I think that's true of most Americans.

01:08:26.000 They simply want order to it.

01:08:29.000 This bill does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

01:08:37.000 Thank you, Governor.

01:08:38.000 And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.

01:08:48.000 Well, Margaret, but. 0.95

01:08:49.000 Thank you.

01:08:49.000 Senator, we have so much to get to.

01:08:51.000 Margaret, I think it's important because.

01:08:53.000 We're going to turn out of the economy.

01:08:54.000 Thank you.

01:08:54.000 Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

01:09:01.000 So there's an application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

01:09:16.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years Thank you, Senator.

01:09:20.000 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

01:09:22.000 We have so much to get to, Senator.

01:09:24.000 Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

01:09:26.000 We have so much to get to, Senator.

01:09:29.000 Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

01:09:31.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:09:32.000 The CBP one app has not been on the books since 1990.

01:09:36.000 It's something that Kamala Harris created for. 0.99

01:09:38.000 Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

01:09:43.000 We have so much we want to get to.

01:09:44.000 Thank you for explaining the legal process.

01:09:47.000 Nora.

01:09:47.000 Thank you, Margaret.

01:09:48.000 I'm real.

01:09:49.000 The economy is a top concern for voters.

01:09:52.000 Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics.

01:09:57.000 Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing.

01:10:03.000 Housing and a renewed child tax credit.

01:10:05.000 The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by 1.2 trillion dollars.

01:10:12.000 How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit?

01:10:15.000 Governor, I'll give you two minutes.

01:10:16.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:10:17.000 And Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from.

01:10:21.000 We both grew up in that, we understand.

01:10:23.000 So those of you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good, it's healthy, that's what this is supposed to happen.

01:10:29.000 You should be listening, how's this going to impact me?

01:10:31.000 The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue.

01:10:37.000 The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.

01:10:44.000 A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.

01:10:48.000 It's foundational to where you're at.

01:10:50.000 And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that.

01:10:56.000 Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it cost $5 to make insulin.

01:11:00.000 They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.

01:11:04.000 As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota.

01:11:07.000 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4%.

01:11:10.000 It's working.

01:11:11.000 And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.

01:11:14.000 $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces Childhood poverty by a third.

01:11:20.000 We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families.

01:11:23.000 And then getting businesses off the ground.

01:11:25.000 The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business.

01:11:28.000 Literally.

01:11:29.000 Increasing that to $50,000.

01:11:30.000 Now this is a philosophical difference.

01:11:32.000 She's literally under investigation for allowing her children in Minnesota to starve. 0.98

01:11:36.000 He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said you're rich as hell, I'm going to give you a tax cut.

01:11:39.000 He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class.

01:11:42.000 What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

01:11:47.000 Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.

01:11:53.000 Everyone agrees, including businesses, it would be destabilizing it, it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession.

01:12:00.000 Look, this is simple for you.

01:12:01.000 Where are we going?

01:12:02.000 Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. 0.96

01:12:05.000 We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. 0.93

01:12:08.000 When you do that, our system works best.

01:12:10.000 More people are participating in it, and folks have the things that they need.

01:12:15.000 Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that.

01:12:16.000 But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion.

01:12:26.000 My question is the same for you.

01:12:28.000 How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?

01:12:31.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:12:32.000 Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.

01:12:37.000 A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.

01:12:42.000 Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. 1.00

01:12:46.000 Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.

01:12:55.000 Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.

01:13:02.000 Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.

01:13:08.000 If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now. 1.00

01:13:14.000 Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago. 0.54

01:13:19.000 And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.

01:13:24.000 Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record.

01:13:29.000 A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense and they don't have wisdom because Donald Trump's economic policies to deliver the highest take home pay in a generation in this country.

01:13:42.000 One point five percent inflation and to boot peace and security all over the world.

01:13:47.000 So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say look at the record.

01:13:52.000 He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.

01:13:56.000 Now Tim admirably admits...

01:14:01.000 Look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take home pay to middle class and working class Americans.

01:14:12.000 It was passed in 2017 and you saw an economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country.

01:14:19.000 That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.

01:14:27.000 I know a lot of you are struggling.

01:14:29.000 I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.

01:14:31.000 It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.

01:14:35.000 Governor, do you want to respond to that?

01:14:37.000 What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class? 1.00

01:14:38.000 Yeah, well, Kamala Harris's day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy. 0.72

01:14:44.000 We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.

01:14:50.000 Nine million jobs closed on that.

01:14:52.000 That was day one.

01:14:53.000 Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved.

01:14:56.000 Now, you made a question about experts said this.

01:14:58.000 I've made a note of this.

01:15:00.000 Economists can't be trusted.

01:15:02.000 Science can't be trusted.

01:15:04.000 National security folks can't be trusted.

01:15:07.000 Look, if you're going to be president, You don't have all the answers.

01:15:10.000 Donald Trump believes he does.

01:15:11.000 My pro tip of the day is this.

01:15:13.000 If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump.

01:15:19.000 And the same thing goes with this.

01:15:20.000 And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever.

01:15:24.000 How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year and Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years?

01:15:31.000 In the last year as president.

01:15:32.000 That's what's wrong with the system.

01:15:34.000 There's a way around it and he's bragged about that.

01:15:37.000 We're just asking for fairness in it and that's all you want.

01:15:40.000 You have a minute.

01:15:42.000 Governor, you say trust the experts.

01:15:44.000 But those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.

01:15:50.000 They lied about that.

01:15:51.000 They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger. 0.78

01:15:57.000 They were wrong about that.

01:15:59.000 They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less self-productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off.

01:16:07.000 And they were wrong about it.

01:16:09.000 And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.

01:16:17.000 We're bringing American manufacturing back.

01:16:19.000 We're unleashing American energy.

01:16:21.000 We're going to make more of our own stuff.

01:16:23.000 And this isn't just an economic issue.

01:16:25.000 I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them very much and I hope they're in bed right now.

01:16:30.000 But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us. 0.96

01:16:37.000 This has to stop.

01:16:39.000 And we're not going to stop it by listening to experts.

01:16:41.000 We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on.

01:16:46.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:16:47.000 Governor Walz, can you address that?

01:16:48.000 I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy more.

01:16:51.000 Why?

01:16:52.000 If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.

01:16:58.000 I'm a union guy on this.

01:17:00.000 I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that, look, we produce soybeans and corn.

01:17:05.000 We need to have fair trading partners.

01:17:07.000 That's something that we believe in.

01:17:08.000 I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.

01:17:18.000 So the rhetoric is good.

01:17:19.000 Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.

01:17:23.000 I watched it happen too.

01:17:24.000 I watched it to my communities, and we talked about that.

01:17:26.000 But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain.

01:17:31.000 We had right-to-work states made it more difficult.

01:17:33.000 We had companies that were willing to ship it over.

01:17:35.000 And we saw people profit.

01:17:37.000 Folks that are venture capital in some cases, putting money into companies that were overseas.

01:17:42.000 We're in agreement that we bring those home.

01:17:44.000 The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.

01:17:46.000 Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. 0.94

01:17:51.000 May I respond to that?

01:17:52.000 Yes.

01:17:53.000 I appreciate that.

01:17:56.000 If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.

01:18:00.000 And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.

01:18:07.000 So what Tim Walz is doing, and honestly, Tim, I think you've got a tough job here, because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

01:18:13.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.

01:18:17.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.

01:18:22.000 And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. 0.99

01:18:31.000 I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household. 1.00

01:18:39.000 I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.

01:18:43.000 We can do so much better.

01:18:45.000 To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again.

01:18:49.000 We just got to get back to common sense economic principles.

01:18:51.000 I hope we have a conversation on health care then.

01:18:54.000 Senator, Governor.

01:18:55.000 Please.

01:18:55.000 Thank you.

01:18:56.000 Margaret.

01:18:57.000 We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications.

01:19:04.000 The vice president is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions.

01:19:12.000 We want to ask you about your leadership qualities.

01:19:15.000 Governor Walz.

01:19:16.000 You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989.

01:19:23.000 But Minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.

01:19:31.000 Can you explain that discrepancy?

01:19:33.000 Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small rural Nebraska, a town of 400, a town that you rode your bike with your buddies until the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.

01:19:46.000 I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher.

01:19:56.000 Passion about it.

01:19:57.000 A young teacher.

01:19:58.000 My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.

01:20:04.000 35 years ago, be able to do that.

01:20:05.000 I came back home And then started a program to take young people there.

01:20:10.000 We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China.

01:20:16.000 The issue for that was, was to try and learn.

01:20:18.000 Now look, my community knows who I am.

01:20:21.000 They saw where I was at.

01:20:22.000 They, look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community, I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times.

01:20:31.000 But it's always been about that.

01:20:32.000 Those same people elected me to Congress.

01:20:35.000 For twelve years.

01:20:36.000 And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people.

01:20:39.000 Working on things like farm bills that we got done.

01:20:41.000 Working on veterans benefits.

01:20:43.000 And then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice.

01:20:47.000 So look, my commitment has been from the beginning.

01:20:50.000 To make sure that I'm there for the people.

01:20:52.000 To make sure that I get this right.

01:20:54.000 I will say more than anything.

01:20:56.000 Many times I will talk a lot, I will get caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.

01:21:06.000 I hear the critiques of this.

01:21:07.000 I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.

01:21:11.000 I guarantee you he wouldn't be...

01:21:13.000 Praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.

01:21:19.000 So this is about trying to understand the world.

01:21:22.000 It's about trying to do the best you can for your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.

01:21:29.000 My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier, or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.

01:21:41.000 The question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

01:21:45.000 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

01:21:48.000 So I will just, that's what I've said.

01:21:52.000 So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in.

01:21:58.000 And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.

01:22:04.000 Thank you Governor.

01:22:06.000 Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be America's Hitler.

01:22:16.000 I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments.

01:22:20.000 And explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

01:22:23.000 But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president.

01:22:31.000 Writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.

01:22:38.000 You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.

01:22:44.000 If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?

01:22:55.000 You have two minutes.

01:22:56.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.

01:22:58.000 And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the President, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.

01:23:04.000 I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.

01:23:10.000 But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.

01:23:14.000 Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.

01:23:23.000 And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.

01:23:29.000 It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what change.

01:23:37.000 Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020.

01:23:40.000 Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round.

01:23:46.000 if Congress was doing its job.

01:23:48.000 I strongly believe, and I've been a United States Senator, that Congress is not just a high-class debating society.

01:23:54.000 It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.

01:23:58.000 It's a forum to govern.

01:23:59.000 So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better about how they governed the country.

01:24:11.000 They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.

01:24:14.000 And I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax.

01:24:22.000 Look, the one thing, and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs.

01:24:33.000 And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.

01:24:42.000 Think about this.

01:24:42.000 If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers Unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage.

01:24:59.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:25:00.000 Nora?

01:25:01.000 Thank you.

01:25:02.000 Now to the issue of reproductive rights.

01:25:04.000 Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.

01:25:15.000 Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine.

01:25:24.000 Yes or no?

01:25:24.000 Is that what you support?

01:25:26.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:25:26.000 That's not what the bill says, but look, this issue is what's on everyone's mind.

01:25:30.000 You dodged the question!

01:25:34.000 He dodged it.

01:25:35.000 He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe v. Wade.

01:25:40.000 He won't say whether he thinks that 9-month abortions are bad.

01:25:43.000 And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.

01:25:45.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:25:46.000 Oh my God.

01:25:47.000 Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing.

01:25:50.000 This is crazy.

01:25:51.000 A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. 0.74

01:25:55.000 She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.

01:25:57.000 She needs to go in.

01:25:58.000 Shannon, did you see this?

01:25:59.000 The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor.

01:26:02.000 And that would have been an abortion. 1.00

01:26:04.000 But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy.

01:26:07.000 She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.

01:26:12.000 Or, in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child, raped and impregnated by her stepfather. 0.90

01:26:19.000 Those are horrific.

01:26:21.000 Now, when got asked about that, Senator Vance said, two wrongs don't make a right.

01:26:25.000 There is no right in this.

01:26:27.000 So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade.

01:26:32.000 We made sure that we put Women in charge of their health care. 1.00

01:26:35.000 But look, if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.

01:26:41.000 Their Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.

01:26:46.000 It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.

01:26:55.000 Wow, he literally just dodged the question.

01:26:57.000 Infertility treatments are why I have a child.

01:27:00.000 That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.

01:27:04.000 And the catch-all on this is, is well, the states will decide.

01:27:08.000 What's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.

01:27:11.000 That's not how this works.

01:27:12.000 This is basic human rights.

01:27:14.000 We have seen...

01:27:16.000 Maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world.

01:27:22.000 This is about healthcare.

01:27:23.000 In Minnesota, we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason.

01:27:26.000 We trust women. 0.79

01:27:27.000 We trust doctors.

01:27:28.000 Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?

01:27:30.000 Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?

01:27:34.000 No, Norah, certainly we won't.

01:27:36.000 I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.

01:27:44.000 I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

01:27:56.000 One of them is actually very dear to me.

01:27:58.000 And I know she's watching tonight and I love you.

01:28:00.000 And she told me something a couple of years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.

01:28:09.000 And I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.

01:28:27.000 And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.

01:28:31.000 I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.

01:28:36.000 I want us to support fertility treatments.

01:28:38.000 I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. 1.00

01:28:41.000 I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family.

01:28:47.000 I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options. 0.97

01:28:54.000 Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country and it's diverse.

01:29:01.000 And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.

01:29:04.000 Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.

01:29:07.000 And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.

01:29:15.000 Let the individual states make their abortion policy.

01:29:17.000 And I think that's what makes the most sense.

01:29:20.000 And a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.

01:29:26.000 Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?

01:29:29.000 Yeah, well, the question got asked when Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.

01:29:35.000 Well, let me tell you... Governor, would you like to answer the question?

01:29:37.000 You know, the question that we asked you.

01:29:39.000 There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.

01:29:40.000 She happens to be in Georgia, a restrictive state.

01:29:43.000 Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care. 0.76

01:29:51.000 Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.

01:29:54.000 The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?

01:30:07.000 There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.

01:30:13.000 That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade. 0.65

01:30:16.000 When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject, and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same.

01:30:22.000 Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.

01:30:26.000 I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.

01:30:28.000 His running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem.

01:30:31.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:30:32.000 Senator, let me ask you about that.

01:30:34.000 He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.

01:30:37.000 In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.

01:30:42.000 In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.

01:30:53.000 My question is, why have you changed your position?

01:30:56.000 Well, first of all, I never supported a national ban.

01:30:59.000 I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022, talk about setting some minimum national standard.

01:31:04.000 For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level.

01:31:09.000 I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.

01:31:15.000 But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum in 2023 and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.

01:31:26.000 And I think that what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.

01:31:31.000 So many young women would love to have families. 0.99

01:31:34.000 So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships. 0.81

01:31:41.000 And we have got to earn people's trust back.

01:31:44.000 And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that.

01:31:54.000 And that's what real leadership is.

01:31:56.000 Governor, your response.

01:31:58.000 I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that.

01:32:00.000 No, we're not.

01:32:01.000 We're pro-women.

01:32:03.000 We're pro-freedom to make your own choice.

01:32:05.000 We know what the implications are to not be that.

01:32:08.000 Women having miscarriages.

01:32:10.000 Women not getting the care. 0.75

01:32:12.000 Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.

01:32:16.000 And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's a state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.

01:32:23.000 We understand that too.

01:32:25.000 We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.

01:32:28.000 We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children.

01:32:33.000 But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.

01:32:41.000 We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices and we're going to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care. 0.99

01:32:58.000 - And they respond to that.

01:32:59.000 First of all, I agree with you, Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was.

01:33:05.000 And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

01:33:26.000 That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.

01:33:32.000 And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?

01:33:39.000 Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.

01:33:44.000 We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family, but please. - Yes, Governor, please respond.

01:33:53.000 Look, this is one where there's always something there.

01:33:55.000 This is a very simple proposition.

01:33:58.000 These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions, and the physicians who know best when they need to do this. 1.00

01:34:04.000 Trying to distort the way the law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.

01:34:08.000 What was I wrong about, Governor?

01:34:09.000 Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

01:34:11.000 That is not the way the law is written.

01:34:13.000 I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, getting against, that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

01:34:19.000 But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.

01:34:25.000 I use this line on this, just mind your own business on this.

01:34:28.000 Things worked best when Roe vs Wade was in place. 0.59

01:34:31.000 When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best.

01:34:34.000 That doesn't preclude us.

01:34:36.000 From increasing funding for children.

01:34:39.000 It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals.

01:34:44.000 They get early childhood education.

01:34:46.000 They get healthcare.

01:34:47.000 So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.

01:34:54.000 She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.

01:34:57.000 I asked a specific question, Governor.

01:34:59.000 You gave me a slogan as a response.

01:35:00.000 It's not the case.

01:35:01.000 It's not true.

01:35:02.000 That's not what the law says.

01:35:03.000 So you fact-checked it with President Trump.

01:35:06.000 Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.

01:35:08.000 We have to move on.

01:35:09.000 And we're going to be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment.

01:35:18.000 All right.

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01:37:40.000 So as I said, you guys, Canon's going to monitor for us, let us know when we're going to cut back live over to the debate coverage.

01:37:48.000 But as I said in my intro before the debate started, I said, what can you expect?

01:37:54.000 Well, I said, given the ballistic missile attack on Israel in the upcoming anniversary of October 7th, expect Tim Walz to try to pretend like he's going to be tough on Iran.

01:38:04.000 But as we have seen, well, he is the governor of Minnesota, which a lot of people call Little Mogadishu because it is essentially turned into Somalia.

01:38:13.000 And I'm not Exaggerating when I say this, they have so many radical Muslims there that people actually say that it's Somalia and they blended the Minnesota state flag with the Somali flag to redo the Minnesota state flag and Tim Walz, there's actually a video of him proudly

01:38:31.000 standing next to the Somali redo of the Minnesota state flag and I think we have that video we can go ahead and we can play it or we actually have it here so here's the new flag the state flag and of course it was you can show the original Minnesota state flag and then the Minnesota flag compared to the Somali flag so that you can see the way that they fuse them together to appease the radical Muslims in Minnesota and so

01:38:58.000 No, he's friends with Imam Asad Zaman, who praised Adolf Hitler and celebrated the October 7th attacks online.

01:39:06.000 As I have exclusively reported, he has also given a platform to and has campaigned inside the radical ISIS-affiliated Dar al-Farouk Islamic Center in Minnesota, which the FBI has identified as a key recruitment location.

01:39:21.000 for ISIS terrorists.

01:39:22.000 And of course, as I have been reporting for years, well, Minnesota is the number one ISIS recruitment location for Islamic terrorists in the United States of America.

01:39:31.000 And so don't believe Tim Walz when he tells you that he's going to be tough on Iran.

01:39:36.000 Kamala Harris and Joe Biden gave Iran 16 billion dollars, okay?

01:39:43.000 They've done nothing.

01:39:44.000 They've done nothing to curb or to stop or condemn the rise of Palestinian jihadi Muslims who are destroying our monuments and destroying our cities across the country. 1.00

01:39:55.000 We're now tuning back in to the rest of the vice presidential debate.

01:39:59.000 ...red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s.

01:40:05.000 So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

01:40:16.000 Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?

01:40:21.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:40:22.000 Well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.

01:40:28.000 I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.

01:40:32.000 And the details really matter here, of course.

01:40:33.000 For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.

01:40:41.000 But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.

01:40:48.000 And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.

01:40:55.000 And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.

01:41:00.000 And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.

01:41:04.000 And we do have to do better.

01:41:05.000 And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.

01:41:09.000 The question is just, how do we actually do it?

01:41:12.000 Now here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.

01:41:17.000 The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country, it's committed with illegally obtained firearms.

01:41:25.000 And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.

01:41:35.000 So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.

01:41:41.000 But what do we do about the schools?

01:41:42.000 What do we do to protect our kids?

01:41:44.000 And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security.

01:41:54.000 But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools.

01:41:59.000 We have to make the doors lock better.

01:42:00.000 We have to make the doors stronger.

01:42:02.000 We've got to make the windows stronger.

01:42:04.000 And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.

01:42:14.000 So we've got to make our schools safer.

01:42:16.000 And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that.

01:42:20.000 Governor, you have two minutes.

01:42:21.000 Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is just your biggest nightmare.

01:42:25.000 Look, I got a I got a 17 year old and And he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.

01:42:31.000 Those things don't leave you.

01:42:33.000 As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my seven-year-old picture on the wall.

01:42:42.000 Their seven-year-old were dead.

01:42:44.000 And they were asking us to do something.

01:42:45.000 And look, I'm a hunter.

01:42:47.000 I own firearms.

01:42:48.000 The Vice President is.

01:42:49.000 We understand that the Second Amendment is there, but our first responsibility is to our kids to figure this out.

01:42:55.000 In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background checks, and we can start to get data.

01:43:03.000 But here's the problem.

01:43:04.000 If we really want to solve this, we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence.

01:43:11.000 And this idea that we should just live with it, and I, and I, here's what I do think, that this is a good start to the conversation.

01:43:17.000 I 100% believe that Senator Vance hates it when these kids, it's abhorrent and it breaks your heart.

01:43:24.000 I agree with that.

01:43:25.000 But that's not far enough when we know there are things that work.

01:43:29.000 I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools.

01:43:32.000 They don't have this happen, even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.

01:43:38.000 There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.

01:43:42.000 It's not infringing on your Second Amendment.

01:43:45.000 And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense.

01:43:50.000 Kamala Harris as an Attorney General worked on this issue. 0.97

01:43:53.000 She knows that it's there.

01:43:55.000 No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there, Do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?

01:44:03.000 Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills?

01:44:11.000 They're being kids.

01:44:12.000 We owe it to them to get a fix.

01:44:14.000 These are things that shouldn't be that difficult.

01:44:17.000 You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference.

01:44:20.000 We have to.

01:44:20.000 If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.

01:44:24.000 Senator.

01:44:24.000 Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting.

01:44:27.000 I'm sorry about that.

01:44:28.000 I appreciate you saying so.

01:44:29.000 Christ have mercy.

01:44:30.000 It is awful.

01:44:31.000 And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland.

01:44:34.000 Because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland.

01:44:42.000 Okay, first of all, We have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse.

01:44:49.000 We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.

01:44:53.000 We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.

01:45:04.000 Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.

01:45:14.000 And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets.

01:45:21.000 I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.

01:45:27.000 Senator, thank you.

01:45:28.000 Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position.

01:45:34.000 Coming across as very empathetic tonight.

01:45:36.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

01:45:38.000 I've seen it.

01:45:38.000 Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.

01:45:41.000 They used to teach gun safety.

01:45:43.000 I'm of an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice.

01:45:47.000 That's not where we live today.

01:45:49.000 And several things I want to mention on this is, talking about cities and where it's at, the number one Where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides.

01:46:01.000 And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves.

01:46:05.000 And so, we have and we should look at all of the issues.

01:46:10.000 Making sure folks have health care and all that, but I want to be very careful.

01:46:13.000 This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent.

01:46:18.000 And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat.

01:46:22.000 Sometimes it just is the guns.

01:46:24.000 It's just the guns.

01:46:26.000 And there are things that you can do about it.

01:46:27.000 But I do think that this is one, and I think this is a healthy conversation.

01:46:31.000 I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children.

01:46:37.000 That's our priority.

01:46:38.000 Gentlemen, thank you.

01:46:38.000 Margaret?

01:46:39.000 Thank you, Nora.

01:46:40.000 Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent.

01:46:47.000 There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices.

01:46:54.000 Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit.

01:47:04.000 They also promise to build 3 million new homes.

01:47:08.000 Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher?

01:47:14.000 No, it's not handing out.

01:47:15.000 We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.

01:47:25.000 It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.

01:47:29.000 Those are not folks living in those houses.

01:47:31.000 Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.

01:47:33.000 I bought and owned one house in my life.

01:47:35.000 My mom still lives in the house where I was, and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family.

01:47:43.000 We need to make it more affordable.

01:47:45.000 And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead.

01:47:55.000 We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing.

01:48:00.000 It starts to make it easier.

01:48:02.000 We cut some of the red tape.

01:48:03.000 Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes. 0.81

01:48:08.000 And then that down payment assistance.

01:48:09.000 I can tell all of you out there, one of the Certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a veteran's home loan?

01:48:18.000 The big thing about a veteran's home loan is, you don't have to pay the down payment.

01:48:22.000 Those are things that make it there.

01:48:23.000 Now look, you're going to pay it back, and you're going to pay your mortgage.

01:48:26.000 Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it.

01:48:32.000 And I will give Minneapolis an example.

01:48:34.000 Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.

01:48:37.000 We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in.

01:48:42.000 And we're implementing a state program to make sure we get some of that down payment assistance.

01:48:46.000 We get it back from people because here's what we know.

01:48:49.000 People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.

01:48:52.000 People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.

01:48:56.000 All of those things in the long run end up saving our money.

01:48:59.000 And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in, but we can't blame Immigrants for the only reason that's not the case that's happening in many cities the fact of the matter is is that we don't have enough naturally affording affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kick-start it create that create that base Governor, your time is up.

01:49:21.000 Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.

01:49:36.000 Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?

01:49:43.000 You have two minutes.

01:49:44.000 Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.

01:49:47.000 We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim. 0.99

01:49:59.000 25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country. 0.87

01:50:06.000 It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal aliens.

01:50:14.000 Alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree with but the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics She is the sitting vice president if she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her and 0.99

01:50:39.000 Not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable.

01:50:47.000 Now, you asked, Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens?

01:50:52.000 If you lower energy prices.

01:50:54.000 As Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.

01:50:57.000 One of the biggest drivers of housing costs, aside from illegal immigration, is think about it.

01:51:01.000 If a truck driver is paying 40% more for diesel, Delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.

01:51:09.000 If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens.

01:51:16.000 Not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too.

01:51:20.000 Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.

01:51:23.000 Do you want to answer?

01:51:24.000 Can I have it?

01:51:26.000 Governor, we will get to you in a moment, but Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?

01:51:30.000 Can you clarify?

01:51:32.000 Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.

01:51:35.000 They're not being used for a national park.

01:51:37.000 They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.

01:51:41.000 And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.

01:51:44.000 We have a lot of land that could be used.

01:51:47.000 We have a lot of Americans that need homes.

01:51:49.000 We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here. 1.00

01:51:57.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:51:58.000 Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the Vice President is letting in migrants.

01:52:05.000 Of course that's not true.

01:52:06.000 And again, you have the facts.

01:52:07.000 I guess we agreed not to fact check.

01:52:08.000 I'll check it.

01:52:09.000 Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.

01:52:12.000 But it's again, Blaming and not trying to find a solution.

01:52:15.000 I was going to ask on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?

01:52:20.000 And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.

01:52:24.000 Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.

01:52:25.000 I know in the western part of the countries we do.

01:52:28.000 There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example.

01:52:32.000 So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands.

01:52:40.000 Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.

01:52:42.000 We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water.

01:52:45.000 These lands protect.

01:52:46.000 They're there for a reason.

01:52:47.000 They belong to all of us.

01:52:48.000 But again, this is when you view housing and you view these things as commodities.

01:52:53.000 Like, there's a chance to make money here.

01:52:54.000 Let's take this federal land and let's sell it to people for that. 1.00

01:52:57.000 I think there's better ways to do this.

01:52:59.000 We've seen it in Minnesota.

01:53:00.000 We're able to refurbish some of these houses.

01:53:01.000 We're able to make some investments.

01:53:03.000 That gets people in.

01:53:04.000 And I'm still on the fact on this.

01:53:07.000 Economists.

01:53:08.000 Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists.

01:53:10.000 Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost?

01:53:13.000 Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.

01:53:19.000 There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.

01:53:23.000 What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?

01:53:28.000 Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.

01:53:31.000 We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices.

01:53:40.000 Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.

01:53:44.000 It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.

01:53:48.000 Look, we are a country of builders.

01:53:49.000 We're a country of doers.

01:53:51.000 We're a country of explorers.

01:53:52.000 But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do.

01:54:07.000 And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes.

01:54:13.000 I actually agree with Tim Walz.

01:54:14.000 We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.

01:54:26.000 What federal regulations?

01:54:27.000 I deal with this as a governor.

01:54:29.000 You can very quickly reply.

01:54:31.000 I'm sorry.

01:54:32.000 I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily disagree with that.

01:54:35.000 That in some cases, many of those are local, many of them are state.

01:54:38.000 I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them.

01:54:44.000 I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire.

01:54:47.000 I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things.

01:54:50.000 So which are the regulations?

01:54:51.000 Because the vice president's not responsible for those.

01:54:54.000 Congress writes those.

01:54:55.000 Governor, thank you.

01:54:56.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get through.

01:54:59.000 You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell.

01:55:02.000 Nora?

01:55:03.000 Thank you.

01:55:03.000 One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care.

01:55:08.000 Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.

01:55:15.000 In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.

01:55:20.000 Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance.

01:55:25.000 Can you explain how that would work?

01:55:27.000 And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more?

01:55:33.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:55:34.000 Well, of course.

01:55:35.000 We're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions. 0.76

01:55:37.000 In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care.

01:55:41.000 I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.

01:55:50.000 And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark.

01:55:55.000 It's very simple common sense.

01:55:56.000 I think it's Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress.

01:55:59.000 You're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage.

01:56:03.000 It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation.

01:56:09.000 Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again, he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time.

01:56:18.000 Under Kamala Harris's leadership, prescription drugs are up about 7%.

01:56:22.000 Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5%.

01:56:26.000 He introduced pricing transparency.

01:56:28.000 Think about health care.

01:56:29.000 You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs.

01:56:34.000 That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs.

01:56:41.000 And we talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.

01:56:45.000 Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit, on how to cover both the chronically ill but the non-chronically ill.

01:56:53.000 It's not just a plan.

01:56:55.000 He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.

01:56:59.000 And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.

01:57:06.000 I think it's an important point about President Trump.

01:57:09.000 Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program.

01:57:22.000 Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access Affordable care.

01:57:28.000 It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better healthcare policies.

01:57:36.000 He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.

01:57:40.000 Governor?

01:57:40.000 Alright, here's where being an old guy gives you some history.

01:57:43.000 I was there at the creation of the ACA.

01:57:47.000 And the reason it was so important is I come from a major healthcare state.

01:57:52.000 Home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.

01:57:57.000 We understand healthcare.

01:57:59.000 It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of healthcare.

01:58:03.000 And so what I know is, under Kamala Harris, More people are covered than they have before.

01:58:08.000 Those of you listening, this is critical to you.

01:58:11.000 Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants you.

01:58:13.000 Go back and remember this.

01:58:15.000 He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.

01:58:21.000 On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.

01:58:25.000 He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost it to the Supreme Court, and he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill.

01:58:38.000 Now fast forward, what that means to you is, you lose your pre-existing conditions.

01:58:42.000 If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad.

01:58:45.000 If you're a woman, probably not. 0.99

01:58:46.000 Broke your foot during football, might kick you out.

01:58:49.000 Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.

01:58:51.000 Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.

01:58:55.000 We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll be there.

01:58:59.000 But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan.

01:59:05.000 It cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that.

01:59:09.000 But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept.

01:59:13.000 Because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.

01:59:16.000 And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time.

01:59:20.000 What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?

01:59:24.000 So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure, because guess what happens?

01:59:29.000 You pay your premium.

01:59:30.000 It's not much.

01:59:31.000 They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you.

01:59:33.000 But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked out of it.

01:59:38.000 That's why the system didn't work.

01:59:40.000 Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.

01:59:44.000 Governor, thank you.

01:59:44.000 Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan.

01:59:50.000 Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions.

01:59:56.000 We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better.

02:00:02.000 Now, what Governor Walz just said is actually not true.

02:00:06.000 A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges.

02:00:13.000 Donald Trump Actually helped address that problem and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.

02:00:21.000 But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.

02:00:32.000 But in reality, Donald Trump was president.

02:00:34.000 Inflation was low, take-home pay was higher, and he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.

02:00:45.000 He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.

02:00:52.000 Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration?

02:00:58.000 It's higher now that we've seen it go up.

02:00:59.000 Look, people are using it.

02:01:00.000 The system works.

02:01:02.000 And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this.

02:01:06.000 And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.

02:01:10.000 So you think the individual mandate is a good idea?

02:01:12.000 I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works.

02:01:18.000 When it doesn't, it collapses.

02:01:19.000 You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out.

02:01:23.000 Look, people know that they need to be on health care.

02:01:27.000 People expect it to be there.

02:01:29.000 And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then when you get sick and old, it's there for you.

02:01:43.000 Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.

02:01:46.000 Good luck buying health care once you get past 70.

02:01:48.000 So look, the ACA works.

02:01:50.000 We can continue to do better.

02:01:52.000 Kamala Harris did that. 1.00

02:01:53.000 The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first time in American history.

02:01:59.000 Thank you, Margaret.

02:02:00.000 Can I address that?

02:02:01.000 I apologize, we're out of time.

02:02:02.000 We have a number of subjects to discuss.

02:02:04.000 Margaret?

02:02:04.000 Let's talk about families in America.

02:02:08.000 There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents.

02:02:20.000 Governor Walz, you said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.

02:02:28.000 How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? 0.90

02:02:33.000 You have two minutes.

02:02:35.000 Yeah, well, that's negotiable.

02:02:37.000 And that's what Congress worked.

02:02:38.000 But here's what the deal is.

02:02:40.000 American sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.

02:02:43.000 Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.

02:02:47.000 Kamala Harris knows that in California.

02:02:50.000 Those companies provide paid family medical leave.

02:02:52.000 One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.

02:02:58.000 We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.

02:03:00.000 You have a child, You.

02:03:02.000 And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born.

02:03:05.000 This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.

02:03:08.000 What we know is, that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.

02:03:15.000 So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.

02:03:17.000 We implemented it in Minnesota, and we see growth.

02:03:19.000 That's how you become a pro-business state.

02:03:22.000 But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue.

02:03:25.000 Those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick.

02:03:34.000 We know what happens.

02:03:35.000 You end up staying home.

02:03:37.000 In some places, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that.

02:03:41.000 This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us.

02:03:46.000 He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest.

02:03:51.000 He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.

02:03:54.000 What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.

02:03:58.000 And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them.

02:04:05.000 As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side.

02:04:10.000 You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children or our parents to get paid the least amount of money.

02:04:17.000 And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. 0.96

02:04:23.000 We were able to do it in Minnesota and I'm still telling you this, we were listed as the best state, we're still in crisis on this.

02:04:29.000 A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families and make it easier to have the children that you want. - Governor, your time is up.

02:04:39.000 Senator, do you support a national paid leave program?

02:04:43.000 And if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn?

02:04:50.000 You have two minutes.

02:04:51.000 Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue.

02:04:55.000 And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.

02:05:00.000 I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator, and I'm so proud of her.

02:05:12.000 But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is Extraordinarily difficult.

02:05:19.000 And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.

02:05:21.000 She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. 0.94

02:05:25.000 But the cultural pressure on young families, and especially young women, I think makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.

02:05:33.000 A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately. 1.00

02:05:36.000 Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.

02:05:38.000 Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.

02:05:40.000 We should have a family care model that makes choice Possible.

02:05:44.000 And I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.

02:05:49.000 I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave right now, the Community Development Block Grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.

02:06:00.000 These programs only go to one kind of childcare model.

02:06:03.000 Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with childcare.

02:06:07.000 Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide child care in the way that makes the most sense.

02:06:14.000 You don't get access to any of these federal monies.

02:06:17.000 We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how we promote child care because, look, it is unacceptable.

02:06:25.000 Of course, Sam and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks, and one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care of their kids.

02:06:38.000 That is an incredible burden to put on American families.

02:06:41.000 We're the only country that does it.

02:06:43.000 I think we could do a heck of a lot better.

02:06:45.000 Senator, thank you.

02:06:47.000 You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family.

02:06:52.000 The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month.

02:07:00.000 So I want to get your thoughts on this.

02:07:03.000 President Trump recently said, As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.

02:07:16.000 Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?

02:07:22.000 You have one minute.

02:07:23.000 Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.

02:07:41.000 It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.

02:07:43.000 Cut taxes for American workers and American families.

02:07:46.000 Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America.

02:07:51.000 But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.

02:07:55.000 That's the heart of the economic proposal.

02:07:57.000 And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.

02:08:11.000 Can you clarify how that will solve the child care shortage?

02:08:16.000 Well, because, as Tim said, a lot of the child care shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options.

02:08:25.000 And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.

02:08:29.000 We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families.

02:08:33.000 Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.

02:08:38.000 If you go to Tim Walz's ex-account right now, you'll see that he's tweeting up a storm.

02:08:40.000 And you have to ask yourself, how is he tweeting right now when he's on stage?

02:08:45.000 I know that Tim Walz does not control his own Twitter account.

02:08:47.000 Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of 6 as your campaign has promised?

02:08:56.000 Is that realistic?

02:08:58.000 Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you.

02:09:01.000 How is he tweeting?

02:09:02.000 This is the biggest issue.

02:09:03.000 Everybody listening tonight knows.

02:09:04.000 I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive.

02:09:08.000 And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months.

02:09:13.000 Let's be clear of where we're at on this.

02:09:14.000 It's because we got out of an imbalance on this.

02:09:17.000 We thought we were going to get by by not paying people.

02:09:19.000 I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart.

02:09:21.000 I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options.

02:09:23.000 We've done scholarship types of things.

02:09:25.000 I think we need to be open to making the case.

02:09:27.000 But the issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these tariffs.

02:09:32.000 That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less. 0.97

02:09:35.000 So not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they're $4,000 in the hole.

02:09:39.000 That's Wharton's goal.

02:09:40.000 That's his alma mater.

02:09:42.000 And so I think the issue...

02:09:44.000 If those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not here.

02:09:46.000 When I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with childcare, and they will lead with housing.

02:09:53.000 Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy's growing, but we need the workforce.

02:09:59.000 Governor, thank you.

02:10:00.000 We need to move on.

02:10:01.000 Nora?

02:10:02.000 Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.

02:10:08.000 After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.

02:10:16.000 Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.

02:10:26.000 The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.

02:10:40.000 Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.

02:10:48.000 That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.

02:10:52.000 Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even if every governor certifies the results?

02:10:59.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:11:01.000 Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.

02:11:03.000 We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris' policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on. 0.98

02:11:11.000 But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.

02:11:14.000 Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues, Peacefully in the public square.

02:11:24.000 And that's all I've said.

02:11:26.000 And that's all that Donald Trump has said.

02:11:27.000 Remember, he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully.

02:11:32.000 And on January the 20th, what happened?

02:11:34.000 Joe Biden became the president.

02:11:36.000 Donald Trump left the White House.

02:11:37.000 And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration.

02:11:44.000 I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about.

02:11:53.000 It is the threat of censorship.

02:11:55.000 It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.

02:12:01.000 It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.

02:12:04.000 And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation. 0.85

02:12:12.000 I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.

02:12:19.000 Now, I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr.

02:12:27.000 and Tulsi Gabbard.

02:12:28.000 Life-long leaders in the Democratic coalition.

02:12:30.000 Of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue.

02:12:33.000 We don't have to agree on every issue.

02:12:35.000 But we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.

02:12:41.000 We ought to argue about them.

02:12:42.000 We ought to try to to persuade our fellow Americans Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. 0.88

02:12:49.000 She did it during COVID.

02:12:50.000 She's done it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th.

02:13:01.000 Governor?

02:13:01.000 Well I've enjoyed tonight's debate and I think there was a lot of commonality here and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things and I think I might have with the senator.

02:13:10.000 Me too, man.

02:13:11.000 There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.

02:13:17.000 Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.

02:13:23.000 He was very clear.

02:13:24.000 I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't.

02:13:28.000 A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day.

02:13:31.000 Some with the American flag.

02:13:32.000 Several later died.

02:13:33.000 And it wasn't just in there.

02:13:35.000 In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St.

02:13:39.000 Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties.

02:13:43.000 The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police.

02:13:49.000 That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence!

02:13:55.000 Mike Pence made the right decision.

02:13:56.000 So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over.

02:14:01.000 I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election.

02:14:08.000 You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.

02:14:13.000 That's what was at stake here.

02:14:14.000 Now the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that Imprisoning your political opponents.

02:14:22.000 Already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this.

02:14:25.000 And a president's words matter.

02:14:27.000 A president's words matter.

02:14:29.000 People hear that.

02:14:31.000 So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, that a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.

02:14:52.000 And here we are, four years later, in the same boat.

02:14:55.000 I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.

02:15:02.000 This has got to stop.

02:15:03.000 It's tearing our country apart.

02:15:05.000 Margaret?

02:15:07.000 Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?

02:15:09.000 Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.

02:15:24.000 We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election, and of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win, but if Tim Walz is the next Vice President, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.

02:15:36.000 But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.

02:15:42.000 Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.

02:15:52.000 This has been going on for a long time.

02:15:55.000 And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.

02:15:59.000 But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.

02:16:06.000 January 6 was not Facebook ads.

02:16:08.000 And I think a revisionist history on this.

02:16:13.000 Don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was that happened Donald Trump can you do it and all of us say there's no place for this it has Massive repercussions this idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing Threatening to kill someone threatening to do something.

02:16:29.000 That's not that's not censorship censorship is book banning We've seen that we've seen that brought up.

02:16:34.000 I just think for everyone tonight, and and I I'm gonna Thanks, Senator Vance.

02:16:40.000 I think this is the conversation they want to hear.

02:16:43.000 And I think there's a lot of agreement.

02:16:44.000 This is one that we are miles apart on.

02:16:47.000 This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen.

02:16:51.000 And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say.

02:16:54.000 He is still saying he didn't lose the election.

02:16:56.000 I would just ask that.

02:16:57.000 Did he lose the 2020 election?

02:16:59.000 Tim, I'm focused on the future.

02:17:01.000 Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

02:17:08.000 That is a damning non-answer.

02:17:11.000 It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship.

02:17:14.000 Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.

02:17:17.000 We've talked about it.

02:17:18.000 I'm happy to talk about it further.

02:17:20.000 But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.

02:17:24.000 The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment.

02:17:28.000 You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation.

02:17:32.000 Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. 1.00

02:17:38.000 That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.

02:17:42.000 I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.

02:17:46.000 Let's persuade one another.

02:17:48.000 Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together Afterwards.

02:17:51.000 You can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

02:17:53.000 That's that's the test.

02:17:54.000 That's the Supreme Court test.

02:17:55.000 Tim, fire in a crowded theater.

02:17:57.000 You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks.

02:18:02.000 That's not fire in a crowded theater.

02:18:05.000 That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American.

02:18:09.000 Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you.

02:18:14.000 I don't run Facebook.

02:18:15.000 What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused, and now again, and I'm pretty shocked by this, he lost the election.

02:18:23.000 This is not a debate.

02:18:24.000 It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world.

02:18:29.000 Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.

02:18:38.000 What I'm concerned about is, where is the firewall with Donald Trump?

02:18:44.000 Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not going to stand to it?

02:18:53.000 That's what we're asking you, America.

02:18:55.000 Will you stand up?

02:18:57.000 Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't?

02:19:01.000 And I think Kamala Harris would agree.

02:19:03.000 She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that.

02:19:06.000 Because, of course, that's what we would do.

02:19:08.000 So, America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.

02:19:15.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:19:17.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

02:19:19.000 We will be right back with both of our candidates.

02:19:22.000 That's the CBS News vice presidential debate continues.

02:19:26.000 Well, that was quite the cop out right there from Tim Walls, who who said, well, I don't run Facebook when he was questioned and pressured by J.D.

02:19:45.000 Vance, talking about how the White House currently has been censoring and encouraging political censorship of conservatives.

02:19:53.000 And as we know, you can even pull up the article, you can find it right now, Mark Zuckerberg even admitted that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, the White House asked him to censor Trump supporters and I asked him to censor information about COVID-19 lockdowns and COVID-19 vaccines, and so that's not exactly a very good answer.

02:20:11.000 Well, I don't run Facebook.

02:20:12.000 Well, who does run Facebook?

02:20:13.000 Kamala Harris?

02:20:14.000 Because Kamala Harris sure has a lot of power pulling the strings with Mark Zuckerberg. 1.00

02:20:19.000 Here we go.

02:20:21.000 We always show the receipts here.

02:20:23.000 Mark Zuckerberg says White House pressured Facebook to censor COVID-19 content.

02:20:28.000 Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg has said he regrets bowing to what he claims was pressure from the U.S.

02:20:32.000 government to censor posts about COVID on Facebook and Instagram.

02:20:35.000 And we all know that January 8th, 2021, a day that will live in infamy in the United States.

02:20:41.000 History books, the day that all the big tech social media companies banded together to de-platform a sitting United States President, President Donald J. Trump, who was de-platformed and he was permanently banned on all social media and debanked while he was still a sitting United States President, two days after January 6th.

02:21:01.000 I mean, you cannot censor the President of the United States, especially anytime, right?

02:21:06.000 But especially while he's still the sitting United States President before transition of power, so...

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02:23:51.000 Did you hear the line where Tim Walz was talking about how he's friends with school shooters?

02:23:55.000 That is weird.

02:23:56.000 I mean, you want to talk about weird, how he calls JD Vance weird.

02:24:00.000 It is weird, weird, weird, weird to say that you are friends with school shooters, Tim Walz.

02:24:05.000 Let's cut back.

02:24:06.000 Thank you to all of you.

02:24:07.000 If you're still up and the folks who miss dancing with our stars, I appreciate it.

02:24:11.000 But look, the support of the democracy matters.

02:24:13.000 It matters that you're here.

02:24:14.000 And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift and a whole bunch of folks in between there.

02:24:25.000 And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.

02:24:30.000 They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than it is.

02:24:36.000 And I have to tell you, that better than it is, is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy.

02:24:45.000 That works for everyone.

02:24:46.000 Not just to get by, but to get ahead.

02:24:48.000 And the idea that freedom really means something.

02:24:50.000 Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.

02:24:56.000 Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is.

02:24:59.000 He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that.

02:25:03.000 His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.

02:25:06.000 And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.

02:25:09.000 Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda.

02:25:15.000 He will continue to push down that road.

02:25:17.000 Excuse me.

02:25:19.000 Kamala Harris gives us a different option.

02:25:21.000 Now I'll have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me.

02:25:28.000 He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.

02:25:31.000 A lot of America feels that way.

02:25:33.000 We don't need to be afraid.

02:25:35.000 Franklin Roosevelt was right. 0.73

02:25:36.000 All we have to fear is fear itself.

02:25:39.000 Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.

02:25:41.000 She's bringing us a politics of joy.

02:25:43.000 She's bringing real solutions for the middle class. 0.99

02:25:46.000 And she's centering you at the heart of that.

02:25:48.000 All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.

02:26:00.000 I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris.

02:26:04.000 Governor Walz, thank you.

02:26:05.000 Senator Vance, your closing statement.

02:26:07.000 Well, I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.

02:26:13.000 One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.

02:26:15.000 And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.

02:26:25.000 And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat.

02:26:36.000 In the middle of a cold winter night, that's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies. 1.00

02:26:41.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.

02:26:46.000 That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. 1.00

02:26:49.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.

02:26:53.000 You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.

02:26:55.000 You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl, and that too has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. 0.99

02:27:02.000 Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed. 0.99

02:27:12.000 She's been the vice president for three and a half years.

02:27:16.000 Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse. 1.00

02:27:22.000 Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.

02:27:25.000 I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.

02:27:34.000 What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world.

02:27:42.000 But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.

02:27:49.000 They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.

02:27:55.000 We need change.

02:27:56.000 We need a new direction.

02:27:58.000 We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well.

02:28:02.000 Please vote for Donald Trump.

02:28:03.000 And whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you.

02:28:09.000 God bless you and good night.

02:28:11.000 Senator Vance, thank you.

02:28:13.000 And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle.

02:28:19.000 I'm Margaret Brennan.

02:28:20.000 And I'm Nora O'Donnell.

02:28:21.000 And a reminder, there are just 35 days until election day.

02:28:25.000 Please get out and vote.

02:28:26.000 and for all of us here at CBS News.

02:28:28.000 Thank you and good night.

02:28:31.000 The first and only vice presidential debate This election is now complete.

02:28:53.000 It was a cordial debate of a kind that people mostly say they want.

02:28:56.000 You notice here the two candidates lingering on the stage.

02:29:00.000 That's quite a difference from the presidential debate in which it was not even sure that Vice President Harris and Donald Trump would shake hands.

02:29:08.000 It was a debate in which the line, I appreciate what Tim said about Finland, was one of the many ways in which Senator Vance agreed with the governor.

02:29:16.000 The governor agreed right back.

02:29:18.000 But that's the tone and the kind of theater review of this.

02:29:22.000 I'll pick out two issues.

02:29:24.000 On the question of the top of the news today, which is the Middle East and the kinds of foreign policy surprises that hit any president.

02:29:32.000 Tim Walz made the case that Donald Trump's Temperament is unfit for any kind of surprise, cited the members of the Trump administration who have attested to that.

02:29:42.000 Vance came back and said there were no wars during the Trump administration.

02:29:46.000 On the economy, I'll make a political point, which is that what Vance did was something Donald Trump was incapable of doing during his presidential debate, which is repeatedly saying, if Kamala Harris was going to do these things, why didn't she in office?

02:29:59.000 Now, whether voters buy that or not, Tim Walz mentioned the Inflation Reduction Act and a variety of others, other items under Biden.

02:30:06.000 But returning to that political point has worked in the past for Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton.

02:30:11.000 We'll see if it works this time.

02:30:12.000 I'd like to make a final point on tone.

02:30:14.000 The JD Vance on that stage was very different than what people may have seen in podcasts.

02:30:20.000 But then there was an air of unreality about it.

02:30:22.000 He talked about bipartisan solutions with nuance.

02:30:26.000 Of a kind we never saw during the Trump administration.

02:30:28.000 He talked about Donald Trump almost as the defender of the Affordable Care Act.

02:30:32.000 Donald Trump tried to kill the Affordable Care Act.

02:30:34.000 And then I think at the very end of the debate we saw something extraordinary.

02:30:36.000 Tim Walz asked JD Vance if Donald Trump lost the election.

02:30:40.000 He was incapable of answering that simple yes-no question.

02:30:45.000 That was an incredible debate.

02:30:47.000 I mean, it was much more cordial than I thought it was going to be.

02:30:49.000 And, you know, we've seen Tim Walz attack viciously.

02:30:53.000 J.D.

02:30:53.000 Vance has weird and accused him of, what do they say?

02:30:56.000 He has sex with a couch. 1.00

02:30:58.000 I mean, they lie and they say all these really ridiculous things. 1.00

02:31:00.000 And J.D.

02:31:01.000 Vance was a lot more empathetic and nicer to Tim Walz than he really needed to be tonight.

02:31:05.000 And I think that a lot of Americans miss that.

02:31:08.000 But unfortunately, it's really hard to be cordial with the left these days just because they really lack empathy.

02:31:13.000 And it's hard to be cordial with a party that is inciting political violence and is cheering when Donald Trump almost took a bullet to the head.

02:31:20.000 But it was very cordial, peaceful.

02:31:23.000 debate tonight.

02:31:24.000 I think JD Vance did a great job countering the hypocrisy of Kamala Harris and also really bringing back all of the issues to Kamala Harris's policies, whether it was inflation, fentanyl, the open borders, free speech, all of these issues in our country right now, rising housing prices.

02:31:41.000 And so I think that overall, JD Vance really He did a great job tonight.

02:31:46.000 He showed a side of himself that is really contrasting with what the media narrative has been about his personality.

02:31:53.000 They say that he's a misogynist.

02:31:55.000 They say that he's a racist. 1.00

02:31:56.000 They say that he's a bully.

02:31:57.000 And JD Vance was very empathetic.

02:32:00.000 I mean, really to a point where I was like, okay, man, like, look, this is a little too much.

02:32:04.000 When I say a little too much, I'm talking about, you know, he was kind of indulging Tim Walz's victim complex.

02:32:11.000 Oh, my son, my son, my son was, you know, a witness to a shooting and when he was 17 years old and playing volleyball.

02:32:18.000 Is that true?

02:32:18.000 I don't know.

02:32:19.000 We should probably get a fact check on that.

02:32:21.000 But you didn't see JD Vance roll his eyes.

02:32:23.000 He just said, wow, I'm really sorry to hear that.

02:32:25.000 That's really awful.

02:32:26.000 That's really awful.

02:32:27.000 And, you know, whether you become VP or I become VP, I'll be there cheering you on.

02:32:32.000 He didn't need to be that nice, but he was.

02:32:34.000 And it just shows you that the media lies, they demonize Donald Trump, they demonize his supporters, they demonize JD Vance, and they want to make us look like the villains.

02:32:43.000 They want to make Trump supporters look like the villains because that's all they have.

02:32:47.000 This boogeyman idea of conservatives and Trump supporters being a threat to democracy and how we are supposedly now the biggest terror threat in the country. 0.97

02:32:57.000 White Christian conservative men Ultra mega conservatives and as you saw tonight it's a load of crap because JD Vance came across not just vice presidential but also very presidential in his demeanor and his tone and also he was very on point. 0.97

02:33:14.000 He didn't stutter at all. 0.97

02:33:15.000 You could see that he answered all of the questions and even though the CBS News was trying to fact check him at an eight to one ratio compared to Tim Walz when you look at all the fact checks tonight You can see that he didn't get nervous.

02:33:29.000 He didn't skip a beat.

02:33:30.000 And Tim Walls, every single time he was called out, which was...

02:33:33.000 Let's be honest, wasn't many.

02:33:35.000 But when they said, well, you didn't really answer the question about why you were in China, when they asked him to answer the question on abortion, it really threw him off because, well, he was hoping that the media was just going to be on his side the whole time, like a three versus one situation, as we saw with the presidential debate in Philadelphia with David Muir, Lindsay Davis and Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

02:33:59.000 And so I was surprised to see that the media pushed back a little bit.

02:34:04.000 Tim Walls, of course, just said, well, I misspoke.

02:34:06.000 And you don't misspeak that much.

02:34:08.000 There's no such thing as misspeaking.

02:34:10.000 You either own the things you say or you don't. 0.98

02:34:12.000 And if you don't, you're just a liar. 0.99

02:34:14.000 And he needs to come to terms with the fact that he is a liar. 0.97

02:34:17.000 Let's go ahead to the chat and take a couple of questions. 0.62

02:34:20.000 I want to get people's comments and thoughts.

02:34:23.000 What do you guys think about this?

02:34:24.000 What do you guys think about my assessment?

02:34:26.000 I think that I was pretty spot-on in the beginning when I told you he was going to talk about abortion.

02:34:31.000 He was going to dodge questions about a nine-month abortion.

02:34:33.000 I told you that he was going to try to make it look like he was going to be tough on Iran because they want to hide the fact that Minnesota is now, well, the Islamic terror capital of the United States of America. 0.76

02:34:42.000 And the fact that he has documented histories and relationships with Hamas operatives, Muslim Brotherhood operatives, ISIS-affiliated Islamic centers.

02:34:51.000 Pretty spot on.

02:34:52.000 Loomer Unleash is definitely leading the way and I was on my phone a lot during this debate because, well, I was working in tandem with Loomer Unleash DC contributor Charles Downs, you should follow him at TheCharlesDowns on Twitter if you're not already doing so.

02:35:07.000 And we were reposting our clips because for, well, over two years now, well, we've been confronting all of these senators and representatives about the policies to show you how hypocritical these people are. 0.98

02:35:19.000 And so make sure that you go back and you review my ex-timeline tonight because, well, you're going to see a lot of the previous statements made by members of the House, members of the Senate, and Tim Walz himself that show you how full of shit he really was tonight during this debate. 0.98

02:35:35.000 Also, too, let's go ahead and play this clip.

02:35:37.000 I have a feeling this is going to be one of the most played clips of the debate tomorrow when people go back and watch it.

02:35:44.000 Tim Walls actually said that he is friends with school shooters.

02:35:47.000 Very creepy.

02:35:49.000 He's got this really dark demonic energy to him, and he actually said tonight during the debate that he is friends with school shooters.

02:35:56.000 Why would you want to be friends with someone who tried to gun down children? 0.76

02:36:00.000 I mean, the Democrat Party is the party of destruction and death. 0.83

02:36:02.000 They want to abort children at nine months old. 0.93

02:36:06.000 And apparently, well, they want to be friends with school shooters.

02:36:09.000 Don't take it from me.

02:36:10.000 Take it out of the mouth of Tim Walz.

02:36:11.000 Play the clip.

02:36:14.000 I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.

02:36:16.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

02:36:17.000 I've seen it.

02:36:18.000 Look. 0.98

02:36:21.000 Disgusting. 1.00

02:36:21.000 I mean, this guy is a sociopath. 1.00

02:36:24.000 Play the clip again. 0.98

02:36:26.000 I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.

02:36:28.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

02:36:30.000 I've seen it.

02:36:30.000 Look.

02:36:34.000 I've met with the parents of Sandy Hook.

02:36:36.000 I'm friends with school shooters.

02:36:37.000 What do you mean you're friends with school shooters?

02:36:39.000 What do you mean?

02:36:40.000 What does he mean by that?

02:36:43.000 Very, very weird.

02:36:44.000 The party that wants to drug your kids up with gender replacement hormone therapy. 0.90

02:36:48.000 They want to tell you that you're abusive if you don't consent to your four-year-old getting gender transitioning surgery.

02:36:55.000 They want to disarm you, but then they want to talk about being friends with school shooters who come to school with guns.

02:37:02.000 In gun-free zones to try to gun down your children. 1.00

02:37:05.000 These people are disgusting. 0.99

02:37:07.000 They do not support parental rights. 1.00

02:37:09.000 They support the complete bastardization of childhood innocence.

02:37:15.000 And it is very, very disturbing to hear a guy who could possibly be the Vice President of the United States say, I am friends with school shooters.

02:37:27.000 People want you to play it again.

02:37:28.000 It is that unbelievable.

02:37:30.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip again.

02:37:32.000 I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.

02:37:34.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

02:37:35.000 I've seen it.

02:37:36.000 Look. 0.98

02:37:38.000 Disgusting. 0.97

02:37:39.000 I think that that clip is going to come back to haunt him. 0.89

02:37:41.000 I just saw right now while browsing X that the Trump war room has actually posted that clip.

02:37:47.000 And so they're not skipping a beat to remind people of what Kamala Harris's pick for vice president said.

02:37:56.000 And now I think she's starting to have buyer's remorse on Tim Walz because the other day, right?

02:38:00.000 She goes, oh, well, I had sleep insomnia.

02:38:03.000 I was just so sleep deprived, you know?

02:38:05.000 So now she wants to say that she has a medical disorder, and I have sleep apnea, and I'm, you know, I have sleep insomnia, and I just don't sleep well, and I just, I was so sleep deprived when I chose Tim Walz. 0.94

02:38:17.000 Oh, I didn't realize he was a retard. 1.00

02:38:19.000 Sorry. 0.99

02:38:20.000 No, we all know you didn't want to pick the Jew because you're the party of Jew haters and Israel haters. 0.97

02:38:26.000 That's why you skipped a beat on Josh Shapiro, who's a self-hating Jew. 0.82

02:38:31.000 He was on Cavuto's show today. 0.93

02:38:32.000 Shame on Neil Cavuto.

02:38:33.000 Shame on Fox News talking about Trump.

02:38:36.000 Okay, signing bombs with Zelensky the other day, who was illegally campaigning for Kamala Harris in the swing state of Pennsylvania.

02:38:46.000 Absolutely shameful behavior.

02:38:48.000 They thought that they were going to pander to all the Muslims, right? 1.00

02:38:52.000 Let's get a guy who's friends with all the jihadi Muslims in Minnesota. 1.00

02:38:55.000 Tim Walz, you know?

02:38:56.000 We'll win Minnesota.

02:38:58.000 We'll win Michigan.

02:39:00.000 But clearly, even though Donald Trump is pro-Israel, okay, he wants to end the war. 0.67

02:39:05.000 And Kamala Harris likes pandering to all groups. 1.00

02:39:07.000 And she's married to a self-hating Jew, Doug Emhoff. 1.00

02:39:10.000 And she hates Jewish people. 1.00

02:39:12.000 She hates Israel. 0.95

02:39:13.000 So she's pissed off a lot of these Democrats who are pro-Israel and Jewish. 0.82

02:39:17.000 And then she also has pissed off a lot of the Palestinian rioters.

02:39:21.000 And I'm not saying that the Palestinian rioters agree with Donald Trump, but there are a lot of Muslims out there who don't want their kids to be indoctrinated with the LGBTQ agenda. 0.73

02:39:30.000 They don't agree with the LGBTQ... 1.00

02:39:33.000 LGBTQ mafia that is really running a lot of Kamala Harris's campaign. 1.00

02:39:37.000 And also, they just want the war to end.

02:39:39.000 They may have unsettling views about Jews and Christians, and a lot of these people may support Sharia law.

02:39:46.000 However, they want the war to end.

02:39:48.000 And we don't have to agree on everything, but Donald Trump, of course, is the pro-peace, anti-war candidate.

02:39:54.000 And that's why you're seeing Democrat Muslims in places like Hamtramck and Dearborn actually cross the aisle and endorse Donald Trump over Kamala Harris, despite the fact that she chose a pro-jihadi, pro-Hamas, Muslim fanatic lover.

02:40:12.000 In the form of Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota.

02:40:14.000 So you can look it up.

02:40:16.000 Everything I'm saying is completely true.

02:40:17.000 We broke the story about his associations with the Dar al-Farooq Islamic Center, the ISIS-affiliated Islamic Center. 0.97

02:40:25.000 Disgusting.

02:40:27.000 We're going to take a few more questions from the chat, but before that, I want to take a moment to thank the third sponsor of Loomer Unleashed and our live debate coverage tonight.

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02:40:38.000 Let's get real.

02:40:39.000 Getting your dog to a vet has never been tougher.

02:40:41.000 Actually, while I was doing this debate coverage tonight, my dog Mecca, my little Yorkie Poo, appears to be sick.

02:40:48.000 She's limping in the corner.

02:40:49.000 I think Loomer must have squished her because sometimes they have a little bit of rough house play.

02:40:54.000 Loomer's 60 pounds and Mecca's 10 pounds and I think that Loomer accidentally sat on her because now her leg hurts and she's in the corner over here. 0.93

02:41:01.000 I feel so bad for my little baby, but it's too late!

02:41:04.000 The emergency vet is closed.

02:41:06.000 So the first thing I'm doing when I wake up in the morning is going to the vet.

02:41:09.000 But before that, as soon as I log off tonight, what I'm going to do is I'm going to open up my positive medical emergency kit and You know, these kits are amazing.

02:41:19.000 With a $15,000 vet shortage predicted by 2030 and emergency clinics cutting back hours, some pet owners are waiting weeks for appointments.

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02:41:32.000 Now, well, it is so hard to find an emergency vet, and sometimes it's life-or-death situations.

02:41:38.000 In this case, I think Mecca just has a little bit of a sore leg, so hopefully she's gonna be okay. 0.58

02:41:42.000 I hope so.

02:41:43.000 Mecca!

02:41:44.000 You okay, baby?

02:41:45.000 Oh, she's so sad.

02:41:46.000 She looks so sad in the corner right there, but I'm gonna go in my positive medical emergency kit, and I'll open it up for you right now.

02:41:55.000 It has everything you need for a pet emergency, and you can see that it has, well, Benadryl, okay?

02:42:03.000 You can see a lot of things.

02:42:04.000 It has gauze pads in here, famotidine, which is essentially like Pepsid for dogs, and let's see, it has a Laura Loratadine, what else does it have in here?

02:42:15.000 Antiseptic, medical gauze, all types of emergency supplies here so that you can hold your dog over.

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02:42:35.000 So, 66% of U.S.

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02:44:23.000 I love this kit and I'm definitely going to be going in the kit tonight to see if there's anything that I could use to hold her over. 0.85

02:44:31.000 Poor little baby.

02:44:32.000 You know, sometimes Loomer, she doesn't realize how big she is, you know, and she just wants to cuddle and she wants to go over and play with her, but she's so big.

02:44:40.000 Imagine somebody six times your size sitting on you.

02:44:43.000 So it's sad, it's unfortunate, but I think that Loomer squished Mecca. 1.00

02:44:47.000 But I think she's gonna be okay.

02:44:48.000 Hopefully we'll get some medicine from the vet tomorrow and maybe there's something in my positive medical kit that can hold her over. 1.00

02:44:55.000 Let's go to the chat, take a few more questions.

02:45:00.000 Yeah, also dogs, vets are getting way too expensive.

02:45:03.000 And there's a lot of things that are in this emergency kit that you could just give your dog.

02:45:06.000 So famotidine, you know, and once you have it too, well, you can go to the, you can go to the pharmacy and refill it.

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02:45:25.000 And you're definitely going to want to Get the kit.

02:45:31.000 Positive.com/loomer, code Loomer, It's in the chat.

02:45:41.000 What did you guys think of the debate tonight?

02:45:43.000 Press one if you think that JD Vance did a good job.

02:45:46.000 Comments, let me know what your criticisms are.

02:45:48.000 If you have any, your thoughts.

02:45:58.000 Let's scroll up.

02:45:59.000 Let's see what people are saying.

02:46:00.000 Someone said, Laura, you look great tonight.

02:46:11.000 Thank you.

02:46:11.000 Appreciate it.

02:46:12.000 it.

02:46:14.000 Scroll down.

02:46:14.000 Thanks for all the nice comments from Mecca.

02:46:27.000 Hopefully she's okay.

02:46:28.000 I'll update you tomorrow.

02:46:31.000 Poor baby.

02:46:31.000 Mecca!

02:46:34.000 She's in pain.

02:46:35.000 Poor baby. 0.94

02:46:39.000 Crazy. 0.65

02:46:40.000 Everybody's commenting on the school shooter comment tonight.

02:46:42.000 I have a feeling that's going to really be all over.

02:46:45.000 Maybe it won't be all over the news tomorrow.

02:46:46.000 I have a feeling they don't want to talk about it, but it should be all over the news because, well, that's crazy, right?

02:46:51.000 They want to say we're weird.

02:46:52.000 Oh, JD Vance is so weird.

02:46:54.000 No, what's weird is saying that you want to be friends with school shooters.

02:46:57.000 That is weird.

02:47:00.000 For those of you who are Jewish, Shana Tova.

02:47:03.000 Tomorrow, of course, is the first day of Rosh Hashanah, so I hope that, well, hopefully all these ballistic missiles stop getting sent into Israel from Iran and people are able to leave the bunkers and actually celebrate the new year with their family members because, well, it's terrible what's happening in Israel today.

02:47:21.000 Absolutely terrible.

02:47:23.000 Let's scroll up.

02:47:23.000 Someone said, Laura, your hair looks better than ever.

02:47:32.000 Thank you.

02:47:32.000 - Thank you.

02:47:34.000 "Laura, why did Vance not question walls of stolen valor?" I don't know.

02:47:45.000 Despite what the media says, you know, I am not involved in debate prep for Team Trump.

02:47:51.000 I have no idea.

02:47:51.000 I would have mentioned the fact that his family members have said that Kamala Harris was a third world banana republic.

02:47:58.000 I would say a lot of things.

02:47:59.000 So overall, I think that he did a good job.

02:48:02.000 You only get two minutes, by the way, right?

02:48:04.000 It's not like he could just go talk and talk and talk and talk.

02:48:07.000 He only gets a few minutes.

02:48:08.000 And so you want to get all the policies in there and talk about economic policy.

02:48:12.000 And it's a good job, of course.

02:48:15.000 A lot of Americans are more focused on the policy issues, even though stolen value, of course, is a really big deal.

02:48:21.000 But 2JD advances defense.

02:48:23.000 You only get two minutes to answer every question.

02:48:27.000 Roll up.

02:48:27.000 Laura, will you be the press secretary for Donald Trump?

02:48:39.000 I will do whatever Donald Trump asks of me.

02:48:41.000 I mean, look, I don't know what's going to happen after the election.

02:48:44.000 Pray that Donald Trump wins.

02:48:45.000 But look, if I'm offered a position, I would love to serve President Trump.

02:48:50.000 So I love President Trump.

02:48:52.000 He'll always have my support and it would be an honor to work in his administration.

02:48:55.000 Whatever that may be.

02:48:57.000 Thank you.

02:49:09.000 had more substance to his speech where Tim was on defense.

02:49:11.000 Yeah, it's true.

02:49:12.000 Tim was blaming Trump a lot where, you know, he was just like, Trump, Trump, Trump!

02:49:17.000 It's all Trump's fault!

02:49:18.000 But J.D.

02:49:18.000 Vance was the one who actually had substance.

02:49:20.000 I agree with that.

02:49:21.000 Great.

02:49:22.000 Vance was way too easy.

02:49:23.000 Yeah, you know, I thought that too.

02:49:24.000 I said, well, I know they're trying to be cordial and they're trying to, you know, have a nice, cordial debate, but I was surprised to see how Empathetic and just kind of calm, and I wouldn't say sedated, but just wasn't as aggressive as I thought it was going to be, because personally, I don't think that these people really deserve respect.

02:49:45.000 When I say these people, I'm talking about Tim Walz and Kamala Harris.

02:49:49.000 They are discussing people who have incited violence against Donald Trump and his supporters, and so I'm surprised.

02:49:56.000 But look, I'm not going to criticize J.D.

02:49:57.000 Vance for being a nice guy, but if it were me, I definitely would not have been that nice, personally.

02:50:03.000 He's a lot nicer than I am.

02:50:05.000 Let's scroll down.

02:50:06.000 Scroll down, all the way down, all the way to the bottom of the questions, all the way to the bottom.

02:50:13.000 Today is also the seven-year anniversary of the Las Vegas shooting, the Las Vegas shooting terrorist attack.

02:50:29.000 And of course, we still have absolutely no answers about, well, what happened that day.

02:50:35.000 And I wrote about it extensively, and I showed a lot of evidence that it was actually an ISIS terrorist attack, and I wrote about that in my book, so...

02:50:42.000 If you haven't already ordered my book, you can get it on my website, loomerd.com, and it's called Loomerd, How I Became the Most Banned Woman in the World, and well, there's actually an entire chapter in my book called What Happened in Vegas, where I talk about the Las Vegas shooting, and let's see.

02:51:05.000 There we go.

02:51:06.000 What happened in Vegas.

02:51:07.000 And I had a Mohammed cartoon artist, Fosh Fossen, actually make custom-made graphics and cartoons for every single chapter. 1.00

02:51:16.000 So here is the chapter for what happened in Vegas.

02:51:19.000 And so if you want to learn about the Las Vegas shooting, seven years later, of course, well, it happened on October 1st, 2017, then you can read my book.

02:51:28.000 Talk about a lot of things in here, especially the Las Vegas shooting, which was a terrorist attack.

02:51:32.000 Again, it lumered how I became the most banned woman in the world. 0.99

02:51:35.000 I noticed that today with, well, all the ballistic missiles being flown into Israel and the vice presidential debate and 35 days away from the presidential election, the seven year anniversary of the Las Vegas shooting really didn't get the attention that it deserved.

02:51:49.000 And so I just wanted to take a moment, of course, to remember all of the people who we lost that day on October 1st.

02:51:58.000 2017 in that terrible terrorist attack which our government covered up.

02:52:02.000 So take a moment of silence for all those people.

02:52:06.000 Terrible tragedy.

02:52:06.000 There's a lot to talk about, but I'm going to continue but I'm going to continue my debate coverage and my analysis on X.

02:52:26.000 And so if you're watching this live, be sure that you subscribe to Rumble.

02:52:30.000 Rumble.com slash Laura Loomer.

02:52:32.000 Download the Rumble app so that you can follow me and also follow me on Twitter and True Social at Laura Loomer.

02:52:38.000 My talk this weekend in Nevada County was great.

02:52:41.000 I traveled to California, and of course, well, the radical leftists were protesting me.

02:52:46.000 They actually had a sign that said, Loomer Bad, you know, Orange Man Bad.

02:52:50.000 So it's kind of funny.

02:52:51.000 They were protesting me, and the front page of the newspaper, they tried to make it look like I was Adolf Hitler giving a speech, and it was really horrific stuff, but I gave a really great talk.

02:53:01.000 It was sold out, and it was a private event, and sold a lot of copies of my books, and Got to meet a lot of amazing patriots in Grass Valley, California, many of whom are traveling across the country right now canvassing for different organizations in swing states.

02:53:16.000 So, really amazing to be out there in California and speak to so many patriots, but here you go.

02:53:21.000 So, this was the post.

02:53:23.000 It was in the paper, actually, today.

02:53:25.000 Crowds gather to protest Loomer.

02:53:27.000 Loomer bad.

02:53:27.000 A handmade sign is held up along the intersection of Brunswick Road and Sutton Way during Saturday's protests at the presence of Laura Loomer.

02:53:36.000 They actually showed up to their Board of Supervisors meeting and they really tried to, believe it or not, they tried to get a law passed to ban me from being able to attend or speak in Grass Valley, California.

02:53:48.000 So we saw tonight the topic of free speech came up and don't let Tim Walz lie to you.

02:53:53.000 The Democrat Party is the party of censorship.

02:53:56.000 John Kerry, who was the Secretary of State under Obama, was just speaking at a conference the other day where he said that the biggest problem, the biggest problem, In democracy today is the First Amendment because they, oh, it's so pesky, that little First Amendment that makes you have to uphold the free speech rights and not censor everything you don't like is disinformation.

02:54:16.000 Okay, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden ordered Facebook to censor COVID information and censor Trump supporters.

02:54:23.000 We know that during the 2020 election, Facebook and Twitter censored the Hunter Biden laptop story and falsely labeled it as Russian disinformation.

02:54:33.000 Even though we know that it was admitted as evidence in the Hunter Biden trial.

02:54:40.000 So Donald Trump is fighting for free speech.

02:54:42.000 Make sure that you download Truth Social as well.

02:54:44.000 I'm also on Truth Social.

02:54:47.000 That's of course where President Trump posts most of his posts.

02:54:49.000 Of course he posts occasionally on Twitter.

02:54:52.000 But download Truth Social and that way you can see all of Donald Trump's posts every single day.

02:54:56.000 I have a lot of followers on Truth Social as well and follow Donald Trump and keep up with him over there.

02:55:03.000 Great site!

02:55:04.000 Free Speech Rumble, another free speech site.

02:55:06.000 We are on the free speech sites, and as you know, I'm permanently banned on Facebook and Instagram.

02:55:12.000 October's a big month, though.

02:55:13.000 I'm going to be heading out to San Francisco on October 25th to give an oral argument in front of the Northern District of California for my RICO case.

02:55:22.000 So we're appealing that case after they tried to dismiss my case against the big tech social media companies.

02:55:30.000 And we'll see how that turns out.

02:55:32.000 So hopefully it all works out really well.

02:55:34.000 But I will be out there and stay tuned for that.

02:55:38.000 Right before the election.

02:55:40.000 Be interesting.

02:55:43.000 Let's take a couple more questions.

02:55:44.000 Also, in two days, I'll be releasing the trailer for my docuseries, The Great Replacement.

02:55:58.000 And at the top of my X profile right now is the pinned promo.

02:56:04.000 And the trailer is going to be released in a few days.

02:56:06.000 And then, of course, October 8th is the...

02:56:09.000 Debut of the first episode.

02:56:11.000 It's a five-part series, so stay tuned because, well, it's going to be a really great, really great docu-series.

02:56:18.000 We outline how we are being replaced, so I think you're going to really enjoy it.

02:56:22.000 And if you want to support the costs associated with that, Well, you can subscribe to me on X. You can go to my website, Loomerd.com, and make a donation as well, because there's a lot of fees associated with production costs, of course, and we're pushing out content non-stop.

02:56:40.000 Let's go ahead and play the promo, and then, of course, stay tuned for two days.

02:56:45.000 I guess that's the day of the Thursday show, right?

02:56:47.000 So we could even play the promo the day of the Thursday show.

02:56:50.000 So we'll play the promo, or the trailer, rather.

02:56:53.000 This is the promo.

02:56:55.000 The official trailer will come out on Thursday.

02:56:58.000 So the next episode of Loomer Unleashed will be on Thursday, October 3rd.

02:57:02.000 Make sure that you tune in for that episode as well.

02:57:05.000 Let's go ahead and play the promo.

02:57:08.000 More than 172,000 migrants were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in March.

02:57:13.000 It is a record-breaking number.

02:57:15.000 Border arrests have soared to an all-time high.

02:57:18.000 New numbers released today detail an all-time high for unaccompanied children seeking asylum.

02:57:25.000 1.7 million migrants have been arrested along the U.S.-Mexico border in the last fiscal year.

02:57:30.000 Our immigration system is broken. 0.85

02:57:32.000 Now the suspect in the case, an undocumented immigrant with a lengthy criminal past. 0.99

02:57:37.000 Armed men walking through a building, knocking on doors.

02:57:39.000 Your uptick in the amount of drugs coming over our southern border.

02:57:43.000 I think it's at this point unsustainable to maintain this unlimited flow into what's essentially a welfare state.

02:57:50.000 This will be one of the greatest mistakes in history.

02:57:53.000 They've destroyed the fabric of our country.

02:57:55.000 So stay tuned.

02:58:08.000 I'm really excited for the first episode to debut on October 8th.

02:58:12.000 Again, there's going to be five episodes.

02:58:14.000 Very, very exciting.

02:58:16.000 And thank you to those of you who are supporting the production of The Great Replacement.

02:58:25.000 With that, I hope that all of you enjoyed tonight's live debate coverage.

02:58:29.000 We had a lot of viewers tonight.

02:58:31.000 We were on the front page of Rumble, so thank you to everyone.

02:58:34.000 Again, don't forget to download Rumble, the app.

02:58:36.000 It's free to do so.

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02:58:39.000 Subscribe so that you get the notification every time I go live.

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02:59:02.000 And you can also subscribe on X as well.

02:59:05.000 But that's how you support my work as an independent content creator and an independent journalist.

02:59:10.000 With that, I want to thank all of you so much for watching the vice presidential debate with me tonight.

02:59:16.000 Make a plan to vote, 35 days and in a few days.

02:59:20.000 And already now, early voting has already started in some states across the nation, so please make sure that you are registered to vote before the deadline because there's cutoffs in each state for registering to vote.

02:59:31.000 And if you're not going to be in town on election day, November 5th, then vote early, okay?

02:59:35.000 Do not miss out on this opportunity to vote, the most consequential election of our lifetime.

02:59:42.000 Also be sure that you're following, if you're, I can't imagine that anybody's undecided, but if they are undecided, keep on watching J.D.

02:59:48.000 Vance and keep on watching Donald Trump.

02:59:50.000 If you go to donaldjtrump.com, we'll go right now.

02:59:54.000 DonaldJTrump.com you can click on the events section at the top in the drop down corner and you can see all the different rallies.

03:00:02.000 He was just in Wisconsin today and well on Thursday he's back in Saginaw, Michigan for a rally and then on the 4th on Friday he's going to be in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

03:00:13.000 On the 5th, he's going back to Butler, Pennsylvania, which of course is the location of where he was almost assassinated by Thomas Matthew Crooks.

03:00:20.000 So that should be a very emotional rally where they're going to be honoring those who were shot, including Corey Comparatore, the firefighter who tragically lost his life that day.

03:00:29.000 So I know that that event is already sold out.

03:00:33.000 When I say sold out, I mean tickets are closed because we'll All the Trump events are free to attend except the private fundraisers and photo opportunities, but you can scroll down and make sure that you get tickets.

03:00:43.000 I do know though that the one for Butler, I mean, maybe they expanded it, but last time I checked it was closed.

03:00:49.000 Oh, well, they actually have opened it up again.

03:00:51.000 Okay, they opened it up.

03:00:52.000 So I guess you can.

03:00:54.000 Earlier when I checked it, it said that it was closed because of max capacity.

03:00:57.000 So be sure that you get your tickets.

03:01:01.000 It's going to be a great weekend watching President Trump and all these swing states where he's leading.

03:01:06.000 But with that, thank you so much for tuning in tonight.

03:01:09.000 I hope you all enjoyed the live debate coverage.

03:01:12.000 If you missed it, tuned in late, you can watch the replay on Rumble, rumble.com slash LauraLoomer, and also on X. I want to thank the sponsors of tonight's episode again, 1775 Coffee, Brightcore, and Positive.

03:01:24.000 Make sure that you check the bottom of the episode on Rumble, episode 79, and that's where you can find all the links for all the products with my special Loomer discount code that gets you, your friends, and your family extra savings.

03:01:37.000 With that, thank you so much for tuning in.

03:01:39.000 I'm your host, Laura Loomer, and I will see you again this Thursday for another live episode of Loomer Unleashed.

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Loomer Unleashed - October 01, 2024

EP79: LIVE VP DEBATE COVERAGE: JD VANCE VS TIM WALZ

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