Loomer Unleashed - LIVE: Laura Loomer vs. Dave Smith Debate: The War Between Israel and HamasLIVE: Laura Loomer vs. Dave Smith Debate: The War Between Israel and Hamas

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00:01:45.000 I don't know.

00:02:48.000 I don't know.

00:05:01.000 We're good.

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00:11:55.000 Israel is at war.

00:11:57.000 The conflict between Israel and Hamas is rapidly intensifying.

00:12:01.000 You don't have to do this.

00:12:02.000 More than 1,300 people slaughtered in Israel.

00:12:06.000 Chaos, bloodshed, war, terror and death.

00:12:08.000 Look what's happening today.

00:12:09.000 Gaza is the most surveilled area in the world.

00:12:12.000 It's an apartheid state.

00:12:13.000 Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is an offshoot of Hamas. 0.97

00:12:17.000 Moms were raped in a house while their babies were put in an oven. 1.00

00:12:21.000 We will continue to call for a ceasefire, Mr. Chair.

00:12:34.000 Welcome everybody to the inaugural Zero Hedge live debate.

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00:12:54.000 We're good to go.

00:13:20.000 Informative, and we urge you to submit your questions on X. Tonight's format will be 90 minutes of commercial-free, hard-hitting, uncensored debate, and we will leave the last 30 minutes open to answer your questions.

00:13:35.000 With that being said, let's meet our panelists.

00:13:38.000 Laura Loomer, Dave Smith.

00:13:40.000 Open-ended, why don't you introduce yourself, give yourselves your bio, let the people know who you are, and most importantly, what side you fall on in this conflict.

00:13:50.000 Well, it's great to be here.

00:13:51.000 Thank you so much for the opportunity.

00:13:53.000 My name is Laura Loomer.

00:13:54.000 I'm a conservative investigative journalist.

00:13:57.000 I got my career started working undercover with Project Veritas and James O'Keefe and I then launched my own independent media company and a lot of people came to know me through conservative and I guess

00:14:08.000 We're good.

00:14:31.000 Now I've recently launched my own show, Loomer Unleashed.

00:14:33.000 I ran for Congress as well, twice, in the state of Florida as an America First Republican anti-GOP establishment candidate.

00:14:40.000 And now I'm, you know, doing what I can to help get President Trump re-elected in 2024.

00:14:45.000 So you're defending which side of this conflict?

00:14:48.000 Well, I'm defending the humane side, which is the Israeli side, the anti-Islamic terrorist side.

00:14:53.000 And I don't really think that, you know, when you asked me to first participate in this, I said, well, what's the debate, right?

00:14:58.000 Because you're either against Hamas, you're either against Islamic terrorism, and you condemn the killing of

00:15:05.000 I don't

00:15:23.000 Within the Jewish community you know there's there's 15 million Jews left on this planet and you look at the fact that there's 2 billion Muslims and yet there's such a fraction right there's such a fraction within the Jewish community and so as a Jew right I'm also really looking forward to kind of further understanding right how we got here as Jews why there's not really much unity it seems within the Jewish community in condemning the attacks on our people and I think

00:15:51.000 What's been very alarming to me is generally you see the left, right, take this position of emboldening and propping up and giving a platform to Islamic jihadists and terrorist sympathizers.

00:16:01.000 And I think that since October 7th, I've just become increasingly alarmed at the amount of right-wing voices and even libertarian voices that I've seen try to justify what they call Palestinian liberation.

00:16:13.000 And I oppose it.

00:16:15.000 Thank you for that intro.

00:16:16.000 Dave Smith, give yourself a brief introduction, and obviously you're sort of on the Palestinian side of things, but I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'll let you explain for yourself.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, I don't like this Palestinian flag being behind me. 1.00

00:16:28.000 I'm not here to represent the Palestinian side.

00:16:32.000 I am on the side of freedom and natural rights.

00:16:37.000 I am on the side of all non-violent people and I oppose all people who initiate violence against peaceful people.

00:16:43.000 I'm Dave Smith.

00:16:44.000 I'm a stand-up comedian.

00:16:46.000 And a political commentator, a lot of people know me, I'm a regular on the Joe Rogan Experience, and I do a lot of big shows like Your Great Show, with the legend Patrick Bette David, and Timcast, and Glenn Beck, and stuff like that.

00:16:58.000 I think that what Laura just said, opening with this kind of, you know, binary of you either support what Hamas did, or you're enabling it, is exactly the problem.

00:17:11.000 And it's been the problem in the United States of America for

00:17:14.000 We're good to go.

00:17:34.000 With many egregious crimes on both sides.

00:17:37.000 And the reason why there's probably some division amongst Jewish people, or there's some division amongst even conservatives and libertarians, is because what's currently happening right now in Gaza is horrific.

00:17:49.000 And it's completely inexcusable.

00:17:52.000 And innocent babies are dying by the thousands.

00:17:55.000 And that's what most people are rejecting.

00:17:57.000 Now the idea, I have not, I have, look, the left wing is pretty goofy.

00:18:01.000 And there's some goofy takes that you'll hear out of them.

00:18:03.000 I have not heard any conservative or any libertarian in any way justifying what Hamas did. 0.76

00:18:08.000 So let me start off, because I know that question will be asked of me already.

00:18:11.000 I don't support Hamas.

00:18:13.000 Who do you think I am?

00:18:14.000 Benjamin Netanyahu?

00:18:16.000 I would never support Hamas as he did actively for years as an intentional strategy to divide the Palestinian movement.

00:18:25.000 That's what Benjamin Netanyahu did, and maybe we'll get into that at some point.

00:18:28.000 But I don't support anybody who initiates violence against peaceful people.

00:18:35.000 I support peace and I support civilization.

00:18:38.000 Well, and I also reject this idea that people who say that you're saying that you either condemn Hamas or you don't.

00:18:47.000 And then he tried to compare me to George W. Bush and say that I'm an interventionist or that the people who are saying what I said in my opening statement would make me an interventionist.

00:18:56.000 I'm not advocating for U.S.

00:18:57.000 involvement.

00:18:58.000 I'm not advocating for U.S.

00:18:59.000 troops on the ground.

00:19:00.000 And so before I'm called a warmonger, which you

00:19:04.000 We're good to go.

00:19:24.000 What did I say though?

00:19:43.000 And we shouldn't be trying to make it an issue of US foreign policy in the terms of, oh, well, whether the United States is going to intervene.

00:19:50.000 No, this is about, from the very beginning, it's always been about the United States and the American people and just people all around supporting Israel's right to defend itself.

00:19:59.000 You can support Israel's right to defend itself and to completely neutralize Hamas and also take the position of, we don't need to be sending additional aid to Israel.

00:20:08.000 We don't need to be putting troops on the ground.

00:20:10.000 We don't need to have intervention.

00:20:12.000 But there seems to be this idea and this narrative that I find deeply disturbing.

00:20:17.000 You opened up your statement by saying, Dave, that it's absolutely horrific what is happening in Gaza.

00:20:23.000 It is absolutely horrific what happened in Israel and what happens in Israel on a daily basis, not just because of Hamas, but the threat of Islam. 1.00

00:20:31.000 And until we actually are able to have an open, honest conversation about what this is all about,

00:20:37.000 Right.

00:20:37.000 It's not about land disputes.

00:20:38.000 This isn't about the way that the Israelis treat the Palestinians.

00:20:42.000 No, this is an ideological war.

00:20:44.000 This is an ideological war that has everything to do with the ideology of Islam. 0.90

00:20:49.000 And I'm hoping that, you know, I can use my my time here today in front of the massive Zero Hedge platform to give people a little bit of an education on Islam, because it's not as simple as talking about, you know, human rights violations or

00:21:06.000 Apartheid, which is, you know, these are some of the talking points that the pro-Palestinian crowd likes to use.

00:21:12.000 They never want to talk about the way that Islam subjugates non-believers, right? 0.99

00:21:17.000 The way that the Hamas Covenant, Hamas of course is the body that controls Gaza. 0.90

00:21:24.000 There's overwhelming support by the Palestinian people for Hamas, okay?

00:21:29.000 There were polls that were recently just conducted by Arab-Palestinian organizations, and I brought those today as citations.

00:21:36.000 This is not Zionism.

00:21:37.000 This is not Israeli polling.

00:21:40.000 These are Palestinian polls that show that if elections were held, you know, among the Palestinian people today, they would call for Mohammed Abbas to resign, and they would vote for and elect Ismail Haniyeh, who's the leader of Hamas.

00:21:57.000 So there's overwhelming majority support amongst the Palestinian people as a whole for Hamas.

00:22:03.000 So you can't say, right, that the Palestinian people do not support what is happening when the Palestinian people are governed by Hamas.

00:22:10.000 And I brought you a copy of the Hamas charter today so that you can see for yourself that this is all about Islam. 0.87

00:22:17.000 This isn't about Israel, this isn't about water, this isn't about electricity, this isn't about babies.

00:22:24.000 This is about the Islamic resistance movement and the Hamas covenant that explicitly calls for the eradication of Israel. 0.70

00:22:31.000 It says Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it just as it obliterated others before it. 0.98

00:22:39.000 David, how do you distinguish between Hamas, Palestine, Gaza, the West Bank, everything that's going on?

00:22:46.000 I know she just kind of gave a lot of information right there, but this is Israel-Palestine, not necessarily Israel-Hamas, but she sort of positioned that it is actually, in this instance, Israel versus Hamas.

00:22:59.000 Well, look, there's a lot to respond to there, but I'd say that, first off, I did not at all imply or suggest that you were an interventionist.

00:23:07.000 I didn't suggest that you were George W. Bush or anything like that.

00:23:11.000 I'm saying that the oversimplified binary thinking that you demonstrated in your opening statement is the same problematic binary thinking that George W. Bush demonstrated.

00:23:21.000 When he said, you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

00:23:23.000 So that was my point.

00:23:25.000 And I think that point stands.

00:23:27.000 In terms of, it's easy to wave this away and just say, well, it's not about killing babies.

00:23:31.000 It's not about a land dispute.

00:23:33.000 It's not about any of those things.

00:23:34.000 Because in Hamas's founding charter, there are awful things in there.

00:23:40.000 I mean, yeah, that just seems to be very convenient for somebody who doesn't want to actually grapple with the fact.

00:23:46.000 No, that is the fact.

00:23:47.000 You had a long time to talk, so let me just speak to.

00:23:47.000 Well, hold on.

00:23:50.000 The fact is that decent people who are looking at this situation will be concerned about killing innocent babies.

00:23:57.000 Now, in terms of what you said about how do you differentiate Hamas from the Palestinian people, from the people in Gaza, from the people in the West Bank, well, Hamas is not an issue in the West Bank.

00:24:06.000 It's not as if they have their freedom there either.

00:24:10.000 We can differentiate it as much as we can.

00:24:13.000 Between differentiating Adam and Joe Biden.

00:24:16.000 And the fact that Joe Biden was elected, and okay, you can give me stuff on that.

00:24:20.000 Maybe he wasn't, I don't know, whatever.

00:24:21.000 I don't know what you Trump supporters say about the last election.

00:24:24.000 It was stolen.

00:24:26.000 Trump won.

00:24:27.000 Trump 2024.

00:24:28.000 Sure, and we can make those assertions, sure.

00:24:31.000 Anyway, but I will tell you that no matter who, the idea that if you voted for this government, which by the way, when was the last time Gaza had an election?

00:24:40.000 And that's something we need to discuss.

00:24:40.000 2005?

00:24:40.000 2006?

00:24:44.000 Are they ever going to have another election again?

00:24:46.000 The vast majority of the population living there didn't vote for them.

00:24:49.000 You can say that there were some polls taken.

00:24:52.000 Fair enough.

00:24:53.000 I mean, we could also go through what the Likud party has in their founding charter.

00:24:57.000 And I have that as well.

00:24:59.000 It's pretty ugly toward the Palestinians as well.

00:25:01.000 For those of you who don't know, the Likud party is Benjamin Netanyahu's party.

00:25:04.000 It's more of a right-wing government in Israel.

00:25:06.000 The ruling party in Israel, yes.

00:25:08.000 And so, look, but all of that is, the logic that if you voted for your government, which I would argue that Hamas is not really a government, but if you argue that you voted for your government and therefore you're on the hook for the crimes of your government, well then congratulations, you have embraced the logic of Osama bin Laden. 0.83

00:25:27.000 That's not what I said, though.

00:25:29.000 No, I didn't say you said that.

00:25:30.000 I'm saying if you're making that argument, that's the same argument that Osama bin Laden made. 0.68

00:25:34.000 That, hey, you elected this government, so Americans, you're on the hook for it.

00:25:39.000 And innocent American civilians, well, guess what?

00:25:41.000 You're not innocent anymore.

00:25:42.000 Because you elected this government that's done all these things to the Muslim world. 1.00

00:25:46.000 I think for civilized people, what makes a lot more sense is to draw the line at a distinction between those who are initiating violence and those who are not.

00:25:55.000 And that's why Hamas is wrong. 0.88

00:25:56.000 That's why Hamas is completely, even if they have a legitimate beef with the Israeli government, they're completely wrong to target civilians.

00:26:02.000 And even if the Israeli government has a legitimate beef with Hamas, as they do, they have no excuse for just slaughtering innocent civilians. 0.56

00:26:11.000 It's wrong and there's no reason for us to accept that.

00:26:14.000 Fair point.

00:26:15.000 One thing to you is, who do you, do you place a certain amount of blame on who for this current war that's going on right now?

00:26:21.000 Like how would you place blame on this?

00:26:23.000 Well, I mean, there's a lot of blame to go around, right?

00:26:26.000 So, again, as I was saying, there's blame on anybody who's been violent toward innocent people.

00:26:31.000 But if you want to, like, zoom out and look at the history of this situation, then, like, yes, there's a whole lot of blame to go around.

00:26:39.000 And the truth is that the Israeli government, say, from its inception, and we could go even earlier than that, but in 1947, when the UN partition recommendation first came out, the Jewish 0.60

00:26:52.000 Zionist settlers owned about 10% of the land, okay? 0.66

00:26:57.000 And the UN recommended that they get 56% of the land.

00:27:01.000 And so immediately, the Zionists accepted this agreement, and the Arabs said, no, we don't accept this recommendation from the UN, which by the way, had no authority to just create nations out of nothing. 0.55

00:27:11.000 And then there was a civil war broke out immediately.

00:27:14.000 Other Arab countries intervened as well.

00:27:17.000 And in this process, Israel won. 0.53

00:27:19.000 And 750,000 Muslim Arabs were driven off of their land and never allowed to come back to their homes.

00:27:26.000 And so Israel then took over 80%. 0.69

00:27:29.000 When they were first recommended by the UN 56, which really they had no legitimate right to claim, but then they took over 80%.

00:27:36.000 And then in 19... But this idea... Hold on, let me just finish what I'm saying and then we can go.

00:27:41.000 Let me finish and then you can talk.

00:27:43.000 Then, okay, this was in 1948, then they declared their independence, right?

00:27:49.000 Then in 1967, Israel launched a preemptive war, as they call it.

00:27:54.000 And they won that again.

00:27:56.000 And then they took control of 100% of it.

00:27:57.000 And they've had it ever since.

00:27:58.000 Isn't that what happens in war, though?

00:28:00.000 Well, I mean, look, it has happened throughout history in war.

00:28:03.000 But no, the entire tradition of modern Western civilization, particularly post-World War II, has been to reject the idea that you can annex territory through war.

00:28:14.000 And again, I'm not saying we didn't do that with the Native Americans.

00:28:17.000 There are other examples.

00:28:18.000 It happened a lot earlier when that was more permissible.

00:28:21.000 But I would say that

00:28:24.000 We're good.

00:28:40.000 Islamism.

00:28:41.000 It has nothing to do with the policy of the Israeli government.

00:28:44.000 I think we do that at our own peril.

00:28:46.000 It's Islam.

00:28:46.000 Laura, your response?

00:28:47.000 I will say that we need to have a conversation about Islam.

00:28:50.000 And I just read the charter, and look, the Palestinians have been offered solutions multiple times, and they've rejected them, as you said.

00:28:57.000 You said yourself that they rejected this resolution in the U.N.

00:29:00.000 in 1947, and precisely because

00:29:03.000 We're good.

00:29:19.000 Well, if you read this Hamas Charter, and it's so important for people to understand, you can see within Article 8, okay, Article 8 of their own Hamas Charter, and I brought this because it is so important for people to understand this amid all of the propaganda, okay?

00:29:33.000 This is, this is what these people believe.

00:29:35.000 What year was this first written?

00:29:38.000 1988, you can see for yourself.

00:29:39.000 They say, Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Quran its constitution, Jihad is its path, and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes. 0.97

00:29:50.000 And again, the very beginning opening statement of the Hamas Charter, which majority of the Palestinian people support, okay?

00:29:57.000 It says, Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it. 0.99

00:30:02.000 It doesn't say until Hamas will obliterate it. 0.96

00:30:04.000 Islam will obliterate it just as it obliterated others before it. 1.00

00:30:08.000 And so you're not going to, you could give them everything that they wanted.

00:30:12.000 The Israelis have given the Palestinians 97, 98, 99% of the line items that they have requested in all of the peace negotiations.

00:30:20.000 But the one thing that they want that is never included in those negotiations is the complete annihilation of the 15 million Jews left on this planet.

00:30:28.000 And we have to be honest about that.

00:30:30.000 People don't want to talk about it because they want to say, not all Muslims.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, maybe not all Muslims because majority of Muslims right here in America have probably never read the Quran.

00:30:39.000 Okay.

00:30:41.000 80% of Muslims on the planet do not speak Arabic.

00:30:44.000 A lot of, there's a lot of people that will call themselves a Christian.

00:30:44.000 Okay.

00:30:47.000 They've never read the Bible.

00:30:48.000 There's a lot of people that will call themselves Muslim.

00:30:49.000 They've never read the Quran.

00:30:51.000 But if you are a true Muslim and one of the 55 majority Muslims in the Muslim majority nations around the world, okay.

00:30:58.000 It is a form of apostasy to call for Islamic reformation or interpretation of Islam.

00:31:03.000 There's no such thing as radical Islam.

00:31:05.000 There's no such thing as moderate Islam.

00:31:06.000 There's Islam. 0.79

00:31:08.000 There's Islam. 0.79

00:31:08.000 And that's it. 0.79

00:31:09.000 And that's it.

00:31:10.000 As you hear here, I'm going to give you an opportunity to respond.

00:31:12.000 Sure, sure.

00:31:12.000 But essentially what you're saying is regarding the Hamas Charter, you know, everyone's out there chanting, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

00:31:19.000 That's sort of the essence of what the Hamas Charter is. 0.89

00:31:21.000 Yes.

00:31:22.000 When you hear that, how does that make you feel?

00:31:25.000 Well, I mean, I don't feel good about that.

00:31:27.000 I mean, look, I think if my argument had been that Hamas are not Islamists, that would be a devastating rebuttal.

00:31:27.000 I think it's crazy.

00:31:35.000 But that's not what my argument is.

00:31:36.000 Now, you can go through the history and repeat.

00:31:39.000 Listen, I'm Jewish and my grandfather was a Holocaust survivor.

00:31:42.000 My mother lived on a kibbutz in Israel for a long time.

00:31:44.000 My grandfather was arrested by Nazis in Germany.

00:31:46.000 I'm well versed in the Israeli propaganda, but the truth is... This is not propaganda.

00:31:51.000 Okay, the truth it is.

00:31:52.000 The truth is that if you actually... This is their own charter.

00:31:54.000 Okay, well let me talk for a second.

00:31:55.000 I am letting you talk, but it's not propaganda.

00:31:57.000 I'm not going to let you lie and say that it's propaganda.

00:31:59.000 This is their charter.

00:32:00.000 No, I'm not lying.

00:32:00.000 What I'm saying is... This doesn't come from Israel.

00:32:02.000 I didn't say that didn't come from Israel.

00:32:04.000 I'm saying the Israeli propaganda is when you say Israel's offered them 98%, 99% of what they want and they just won't take it.

00:32:12.000 All this time Israel is dying to give them a stake. 0.79

00:32:15.000 Like just on the face of it, doesn't that kind of sound ridiculous?

00:32:17.000 Whether it was the Oslo Accords, whether it was... Have you ever seen Netanyahu's videotape when he didn't know he was being videotaped when he talked about the Oslo Accords?

00:32:26.000 So what did he say?

00:32:27.000 He basically said that he snuck so many poison pills into the Oslo Accord that it was completely unworkable.

00:32:32.000 But he wasn't part of the Oslo Accord.

00:32:33.000 That was Yitzhak Rabin at the time, wasn't it?

00:32:35.000 No, he was in the government.

00:32:36.000 Yitzhak Rabin was the Prime Minister.

00:32:37.000 But he wasn't the Prime Minister.

00:32:38.000 But he was talking about how Israel ultimately got to decide what every military zone and danger zone was, and then he defined it as everywhere.

00:32:48.000 As the entire West Bank.

00:32:50.000 They never really made the offer, and if you care to go look into the history of this, you can figure this out.

00:32:55.000 The point isn't that, obviously, Hamas is a radical Islamist organization.

00:33:03.000 And by the way, just so we're clear on this, Laura, I'm not denying that there's a problem with radical Islam. 0.97

00:33:09.000 But it's not radical, it's Islam.

00:33:10.000 Okay, whatever you want to call it.

00:33:12.000 I'm not denying that there's a problem in the Islamic world. 1.00

00:33:15.000 I'm not denying... Obviously, you could look through the Islam... I'm a libertarian.

00:33:18.000 I believe in natural rights and individual liberty.

00:33:20.000 Obviously, I see problems in the world.

00:33:23.000 However, if you're going to look at this as an American, or as somebody who's supporting the Israeli point of view, and you're going to say, well, look at these savages. 0.92

00:33:32.000 They're just so barbaric.

00:33:34.000 Does it not give you pause for a moment that Israel 0.99

00:33:38.000 The United States of America have for decades been intentionally, strategically, and explicitly supporting the most radical elements of Islam. 0.99

00:33:49.000 That America has supported Saudi Arabia, the biggest exporter of Wahhabism in the world, that they've funded, armed, and trained Al Qaeda and ISIS, and that it was, and I noticed this didn't get a response at all, that it was Israeli policy to support, prop up, and fund

00:34:06.000 Hamas!

00:34:06.000 Okay, so I have a question for you then.

00:34:08.000 Who was propping up radical Islam 1,400 years ago? 1.00

00:34:11.000 Okay, so you don't want to respond to what I just said.

00:34:14.000 I just responded to you.

00:34:15.000 The United States of America is not 1,400 years old.

00:34:18.000 This is such a cop-out.

00:34:19.000 You didn't respond to what I said at all.

00:34:19.000 It's such a cop-out.

00:34:21.000 You just said that this was 1,400 years old.

00:34:23.000 You didn't respond to his point and then ask him the question.

00:34:25.000 Why don't you address his point and then ask your question?

00:34:31.000 That's what I said.

00:34:31.000 He said, he said, oh, we don't want to think about, you know, the way that these people feel because of wars, because of wars that have been, you know, inflicted upon them by the United States of America, the war on terror, and, you know... No, that's not what I'm saying.

00:34:43.000 But that is, that is kind of the line of thinking that you're taking, right?

00:34:45.000 No, it's not.

00:34:45.000 You're not responding to what I said.

00:34:46.000 I, I just responded.

00:34:47.000 Why don't you ask her the question?

00:34:48.000 This existed long before the United States of America implemented neocons foreign policy.

00:34:53.000 Sure, okay.

00:34:54.000 I'll ask the question very clearly, okay?

00:34:56.000 If you're going to say that radical Islam, or as you call it, just Islam, is this problem, then how do you feel about the fact for the last, let's say, 60 years, the United States of America and Israel has explicitly funded,

00:35:12.000 For stated strategic reasons, the worst elements of radical Islam, Hamas, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Wahhabism, and they've said they're doing it for a reason, to undermine their competing interests in the Muslim world. 0.86

00:35:27.000 How do you feel about that?

00:35:28.000 Can you criticize Israel at all?

00:35:29.000 Were they wrong to support Hamas?

00:35:31.000 I can criticize Israel- Were they wrong to support Hamas? 0.95

00:35:33.000 This is an irrelevant question because- You won't answer it?

00:35:36.000 You won't say it's wrong to support Hamas? 1.00

00:35:38.000 Is it wrong if Iran supports Hamas? 0.56

00:35:39.000 I have obviously said that it is wrong to support Hamas but- So it was wrong when Israel did that? 0.72

00:35:44.000 The question doesn't really make any sense because when you think about it- How does it not make any sense if Netanyahu was supporting the terrorism?

00:35:50.000 What are you doing?

00:36:20.000 By bombing these people. 0.84

00:36:21.000 This has existed for 1400 years.

00:36:25.000 No it hasn't.

00:36:25.000 It hasn't.

00:36:26.000 Prior to the creation of the United States government, this is an ideological issue.

00:36:30.000 Really?

00:36:30.000 You dodged my question again.

00:36:32.000 I'm not dodging your question though.

00:36:33.000 It was a very specific question.

00:36:33.000 You are.

00:36:35.000 We can talk about land.

00:36:36.000 We can talk about US foreign policy.

00:36:38.000 We can talk about the Patriot Act.

00:36:40.000 We can talk about the war on terror.

00:36:41.000 But at the end of the day, this is an ideological issue.

00:36:44.000 And we need to have an honest conversation about Islam.

00:36:47.000 So with that being said about Islam.

00:36:48.000 Why can't you just answer?

00:36:49.000 I did.

00:36:50.000 I did answer your question.

00:36:51.000 You make no distinguishment between Islam, people who believe in Allah, and just radical Islamists?

00:36:57.000 You don't think there's any difference whatsoever?

00:36:59.000 It says in this charter that the Quran is their constitution.

00:37:01.000 But this is a Hamas' charter though. 0.66

00:37:02.000 This isn't the Quran.

00:37:04.000 But as I just explained, okay, here in the United States of America, people are brainwashed into thinking, right, because we have the First Amendment and freedom of religion here, people think, oh, that's how people get to practice Islam and

00:37:15.000 We're good to go.

00:37:36.000 Well, pushing for reformed versions of Islam, and I think you'll agree with me here. 1.00

00:37:39.000 Yeah, there's lots of places where that's true.

00:37:42.000 No, that is the standard in every majority Muslim country.

00:37:45.000 And so Americans are not really living in reality, right?

00:37:48.000 Because here in the United States of America, you do have what you call reformed Muslims who are able to live here, right? 1.00

00:37:55.000 But they understand that if they were to do that in their own countries where they came from, they would be killed for doing so.

00:38:00.000 So Laura's absolutely right about this, but like, let's actually live in reality. 0.56

00:38:03.000 So absolutely, I mean look, in Saudi Arabia, it is like, it is the shame of the world that you can be, I mean, they'll cut your arm off for stealing, they execute people for being openly gay, I mean they do things that are just horrific.

00:38:20.000 All I'm saying here is that, like, I'm fine with judging them, but when you're going to sit here as an American, a country that our government has maybe a hundred thousand times as much power as the entire Muslim world combined, I mean, we literally here in the United States of America, our president can make a decision, if they wanted to, and any one of these Muslim countries doesn't exist anymore. 0.99

00:38:43.000 That's it.

00:38:44.000 Now I'm not saying we've done that.

00:38:44.000 We haven't nuked them.

00:38:45.000 We'll just overthrow their government. 1.00

00:38:46.000 But I'm saying, like, we'll just march in and kill a million of them and then overthrow their government or whatever. 1.00

00:38:51.000 But if they wanted to, they can snap their fingers and that country no longer exists. 1.00

00:38:56.000 That's the power imbalance here.

00:38:58.000 And with that power,

00:39:00.000 We have propped up the Saudis since the 1970s. 0.91

00:39:05.000 So I'm fine with like, hey, if you want to sit here and you want to judge other people, look, if we were a perfectly free moral society, I'd be fine with us very sharply criticizing these other countries who just don't have freedom like we have.

00:39:18.000 Well, it seems like under Joe Biden, these countries are doing just well.

00:39:21.000 I mean, he just allocated another $10 billion of funding to the Iranians today.

00:39:25.000 And as we know from reports that have even been confirmed by The Wall Street Journal,

00:39:29.000 That was outrageous, right?

00:39:30.000 Yeah, it was.

00:39:31.000 And so you want to talk about the United States government?

00:39:33.000 Sure.

00:39:34.000 Let's talk about it, right?

00:39:35.000 Let's talk about how today the Biden administration, we want to talk about a balance of power.

00:39:39.000 How about your boy giving billions to the Saudis?

00:39:40.000 Was that okay?

00:39:41.000 You're not going to get me to defend the Saudis. 1.00

00:39:43.000 You're not going to get me to- But how about Trump?

00:39:45.000 But you won't criticize Trump for doing tens of billions of dollars worth of business with them.

00:39:49.000 No, I did criticize it.

00:39:50.000 I did criticize it when President Trump was in the White House.

00:39:53.000 And this is one of the reasons why I didn't receive the endorsement when I first ran.

00:39:57.000 Because I was demonized by the GOP because of my hardline stance on Islam.

00:40:03.000 And this is why I got banned on all social media.

00:40:05.000 Well, that's fine.

00:40:06.000 And good for you if that's the case.

00:40:07.000 This is the hill that I'm willing to die on.

00:40:09.000 But here isn't this kind of interesting, right?

00:40:10.000 Let me just make this point.

00:40:11.000 One point for you, David, then we're going over to you.

00:40:13.000 So, but as much as you kind of criticized the Palestinians, because look at this opinion poll, they support Hamas.

00:40:19.000 But when we're talking about the most radical element in Islam, which is Saudi Arabia, you are actively campaigning for a man who poured in tens of billions of dollars to that country.

00:40:30.000 So what responsibility do you face for that?

00:40:33.000 Do you face for propping up the most radical form of Islam? 0.97

00:40:36.000 I'm not personally propping up the most radical form of Islam.

00:40:39.000 No, you're just voting for the person.

00:40:40.000 No, you're just voting for the guy who does it.

00:40:41.000 President Trump, okay, President Trump... See, it's not fair anymore.

00:40:44.000 It's not fair anymore to blame you for that.

00:40:45.000 No, he obliterated ISIS.

00:40:47.000 He carried out the execution of Qasem Soleimani, okay?

00:40:51.000 And speaking of relations between the Israelis and the Palestinians...

00:40:53.000 You know, President Trump had his historic Abraham Accords and his Peace Through Prosperity program, which, you know, he was trying to implement before the election was stolen, of course, was going to offer financial incentives to the Palestinians because under the Obama administration, you know, prior to President Trump, our government was sending millions of dollars of aid to the Palestinians every single year until, you know, we were able to introduce the Taylor Force Act.

00:41:21.000 And billions to the Israelis.

00:41:36.000 And every single time, one of these jihadists would either murder an American citizen or an Israeli, mostly just a Jew, because let's be honest, that's what they're targeting.

00:41:43.000 They didn't care if they were American Jews or Israeli Jews, because in the case of Taylor Force, who was an American, right, he was murdered, he was Jewish. 0.85

00:41:51.000 They pay their family members.

00:41:52.000 They pay their family members.

00:41:53.000 And so I'm not going to sit here and allow you to try to demonize- This is the pay for slay that you're talking about.

00:41:57.000 The pay for slay program tried to demonize President Trump when President Trump, he was probably the most anti-Islamic terror, the most effective president we've ever had when it comes to combating Islamic terrorism.

00:42:08.000 I'll tell you- I will say that.

00:42:10.000 And so it's not really nice of you to say that about President Trump.

00:42:12.000 That's fine.

00:42:13.000 I don't care.

00:42:13.000 Because he obliterated, he ordered the killing of Qasem Soleimani.

00:42:18.000 It was a terrible decision.

00:42:19.000 It wasn't a terrible decision.

00:42:21.000 The thing is here is that I'm not a partisan and you are so there's an asymmetry here where you're saying well Obama did this but Trump, yeah Obama was terrible and the worst thing that Obama did in his foreign policy was that he funded and backed Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, Libya and Yemen.

00:42:38.000 And to Trump's great credit, when Trump first came in, one of the first things he did, and it was one of the best things he did in his administration, was he ended the CIA program to back all the anti-Assad rebels in Syria.

00:42:51.000 And this is what opened the door for ISIS to be destroyed, which by the way, a lot of that was also Assad and Vladimir Putin, but I'll give Trump credit, he took part in some of that as well.

00:43:00.000 I really give him credit for ending that CIA program.

00:43:02.000 But you know what he continued to do through every single day of his administration?

00:43:06.000 Was continue Obama's war in Yemen on the side of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

00:43:11.000 So I'm just here where I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, so I can just criticize both of them.

00:43:16.000 I don't.

00:43:35.000 One of the reasons why Iran trained the Hamas and Hezbollah operatives to further destabilize peaceful relations between the Israelis and the Palestinians, because Iran knows that if they were able to have Saudi Arabia help normalize and be on board with normalized relations between the Israelis and the Palestinians, then it would be a problem.

00:43:55.000 If you've got to support a genocide in Yemen in order to get Saudi Arabia to be friends with Israel, that's a good deal. 1.00

00:44:04.000 You're condemning the attacks on Palestinians, but at the end of the day, President Trump had relations with Saudi Arabia to try to reduce the killing of both Israelis and Palestinians.

00:44:14.000 Well, they say the enemy of the enemy is my friend, and that obviously everyone is going against Iran. 0.91

00:44:19.000 But here's what we want to do right now, Laura, excuse me.

00:44:24.000 Here's what we want to do right now.

00:44:25.000 We've gone pretty wide on a range of topics.

00:44:28.000 Let's kind of steer this back into specifically Israel-Palestine.

00:44:32.000 We're going to roll a video from October 7th, just to kind of, so people understand exactly what happened that day.

00:44:37.000 We'll let you comment on the other side.

00:44:39.000 So obviously October 7th, over 1,200 Israeli civilians, for the most part, were killed by the hands of Hamas.

00:44:47.000 The most Jews killed since the Holocaust.

00:44:50.000 Let's roll a video of that.

00:44:51.000 Do we have that here?

00:44:59.000 We don't have audio.

00:45:00.000 How do they see it?

00:45:01.000 I mean, I see it here, but I can't hear it.

00:45:07.000 Well, I'm pretty sure they're speaking Arabic.

00:45:11.000 I'm fluent.

00:45:11.000 I understand.

00:45:31.000 No sign of life?

00:45:34.000 No.

00:45:34.000 She's dead.

00:45:35.000 She's dead. 0.82

00:45:36.000 She's dead.

00:45:47.000 So a lot of these images were specifically from the music festival that famously hundreds of just innocent party goers actually partying in the name of peace, ironically enough, sadly enough, were killed, were slaughtered at the hands of Hamas.

00:46:02.000 So when you see images of this, you've seen countless videos like this, what say you?

00:46:08.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:46:08.000 What do you say to something like that?

00:46:10.000 I think any decent person should just be horrified.

00:46:12.000 It's appalling.

00:46:14.000 So I'd say my first thought is that this is horrific and that anybody who did this ought to pay for it.

00:46:21.000 And then I would say that my second thought after that kind of processing it is I just go, my God.

00:46:27.000 Like, what the punishment, first what the punishment for anyone who perpetrated this should be, but then what the punishment for Benjamin Netanyahu to be the longest serving Prime Minister of Israel and embark in an explicit policy to prop up Hamas for strategic reasons.

00:46:43.000 And if you haven't looked into this, by the way, this is not, this may sound like conspiracy theory for people who don't like follow this stuff and know, but this is in the front pages of Haaretz and the Times of Jerusalem.

00:46:52.000 Just in the last couple of weeks.

00:46:52.000 Why don't you clarify exactly what you mean by, listen, Bibi Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, I think he's on his fifth term right now, openly advocating for Hamas.

00:46:59.000 He openly supported Hamas, and the reason he did is because even though when Benjamin Netanyahu- But where's your source on this?

00:47:05.000 What's the source?

00:47:05.000 Because we're here- Well, I gave you two, just there, but his direct quotes in front of the Likud party.

00:47:11.000 This is, I mean, this is just a fact.

00:47:12.000 Do you not know this?

00:47:14.000 No, I'm just asking what the source is because we have a lot of people watching this.

00:47:16.000 Well, I'll just give you two.

00:47:17.000 Haaretz and the Times of Jerusalem from the last couple weeks, okay?

00:47:20.000 So those are two sources on it, but I could also just send you his quotes in front of Likud party members.

00:47:26.000 Now, when Benjamin, this is just a fact.

00:47:28.000 If you don't know it, you don't know it, but go look it up and I promise you Twitter will inundate you with the source.

00:47:33.000 The first sentence I said was giving you sources.

00:47:37.000 So what he said, even though when he comes over to America, you know, when he's asking for billions in our taxpayer money, he says he supports a two-state solution somewhere in the future.

00:47:46.000 But when he's talking to his own Likud party members, what he says is the reason we must support Hamas is because we're against the Palestinians ever having a state.

00:47:55.000 First, there were two basic strategies.

00:47:57.000 One was to divide the Palestinians in the West Bank versus the Palestinians in Gaza.

00:48:01.000 And number two, which you can understand Adam, if you're the international community,

00:48:06.000 Sure, I mean, if there's a secular nationalist group who asks for statehood, maybe you listen to them in Palestine.

00:48:13.000 But Hamas? 0.71

00:48:14.000 Are you ever going to recognize, you know, you're the United Nations, are you ever going to recognize Hamas as a legitimate government?

00:48:20.000 Of course not!

00:48:21.000 And so they supported them, and Benjamin Netanyahu's exact words were,

00:48:25.000 When you say support, how did he actively support

00:48:46.000 He directed funds toward them, propped them up, withheld funds from the PLO when they were running.

00:48:52.000 Look, you can't have it both ways, okay?

00:48:53.000 He said it openly.

00:48:54.000 But you can't have it both ways.

00:48:55.000 You can't say, oh, like these poor Palestinians and the Israelis are cutting off aid and then also demonize him for giving aid.

00:49:02.000 Hamas is the elected... No, but listen... 1.00

00:49:04.000 The elected body in Gaza.

00:49:06.000 Okay.

00:49:06.000 I already showed you and I already, I can give you the citation for these polls and you can look them up yourself.

00:49:11.000 These are Palestinian polls that show majority of the Palestinians support Hamas.

00:49:16.000 To this day?

00:49:17.000 Yes.

00:49:17.000 They, and if they were to have their elections today, they would prefer Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas over Mohamed Abbas.

00:49:23.000 And so the fact of the matter is, is that when you go to the Karim Shalom aid distribution center, and I have been there, okay, on the border of Gaza,

00:49:31.000 Well, who controls the flow of aid once it's given by the Israelis? 0.81

00:49:34.000 It's Hamas. 0.93

00:49:35.000 Hamas controls the distribution of the aid.

00:49:38.000 They control the fuel.

00:49:39.000 They control the water. 0.94

00:49:40.000 And so this claim, this is another ridiculous lie that the pro-Palestinian crowd likes to say. 0.76

00:49:45.000 Oh, Israel cut the water off. 0.81

00:49:47.000 Okay, there's two desalination units in Gaza.

00:49:50.000 It's completely controlled.

00:49:51.000 Both of them are controlled by Hamas.

00:49:53.000 Do you know how much of the water supply that goes into Gaza is actually controlled by Israel?

00:49:57.000 Do you know?

00:49:58.000 7%, something like that.

00:49:59.000 It's about 9%, okay?

00:50:01.000 And so when we want to talk about resources and electricity and fuel... No, but let me finish.

00:50:06.000 Fuel and water being cut off to the Palestinian people, I agree with you that the Palestinian people are an occupied people and they're occupied by Hamas. 0.99

00:50:15.000 They're not occupied by Israel, they are occupied by Hamas. 0.97

00:50:18.000 And so, if you're upset, if you're one of these people that's, you know, that's saying free Palestine and the streets of America or Europe or all around the world where we're seeing these, and I'll say they're not exactly organic protests, okay?

00:50:30.000 Just two weeks ago, there was an investigative report that was released, I believe it was, by the Washington Examiner, if I'm not mistaken.

00:50:39.000 And one of the largest shell companies and organizations that the Democrats use for the sake of, I'll say, laundering their funds and laundering money to progressive leftist organizations that falsely identify themselves as 501c3 organizations and actually are, you know, violating IRS tax structure and engaging in partisan political activities, OK, they were found to be supporting Palestinian terrorist initiatives.

00:51:05.000 This was such a scandal.

00:51:06.000 And then Arabella Advisors goes,

00:51:08.000 And this is one of the funds, by the way, that George Soros heavily funds, says, oh, well, we didn't know about it.

00:51:12.000 And so we're just going to we're going to discontinue our relationship with them.

00:51:16.000 Bullcrap. 0.94

00:51:17.000 You know, they got caught. 0.98

00:51:18.000 OK, so these are not organic protests.

00:51:20.000 You're not going to get that 10,000 people on London Bridge with matching T-shirts and signs and tell me that that's organic.

00:51:26.000 Oh, by the way, I was at that protest, unintentionally.

00:51:29.000 I just happened to be in London at the time and I walked through it.

00:51:31.000 Awkward place to be a Jew. 0.83

00:51:33.000 Anyway.

00:51:33.000 Are you being serious?

00:51:34.000 No, I'm being serious.

00:51:35.000 I was just doing a stand-up tour and me and my buddy Rob were just walking through London.

00:51:38.000 So what happened?

00:51:38.000 What was it like?

00:51:39.000 Oh, I mean, it was, you know, we just kind of walked through it and walked away.

00:51:42.000 It was fine.

00:51:42.000 This was how long ago?

00:51:43.000 This was a couple weeks ago.

00:51:45.000 I have to check my website.

00:51:47.000 It may not have been the biggest protest, but we walked through a huge... It wasn't the one with the picture on London Bridge, but we walked over London Bridge, and then you got there... What was that like?

00:51:54.000 Were they chanting?

00:51:55.000 Was it the one where they were waving the Hamas and the Taliban flags?

00:51:57.000 No, it was just... You know, I'll be honest, and this is being Jewish and out of the country, I didn't stick around to find out too much, but I just saw a bunch of Palestinian flags, and there were like a whole bunch, like 50,000 maybe of them or something, and then we were like, all right, let's go.

00:52:10.000 I know you're being funny and prestigious, but why didn't you stick around and hang out with the Palestinian Hamas crowd?

00:52:16.000 To be honest, I don't like protests.

00:52:19.000 Even if I agree with the protests, I just don't like it.

00:52:21.000 What's the real reason now?

00:52:23.000 Huh?

00:52:23.000 Did you agree with the protests?

00:52:25.000 Well, I probably, I mean, my guess would be that I disagree with many people who are at that protest.

00:52:31.000 I might agree on some things and disagree on others, but regardless, let me just say, look, I really, and I'm just kind of joking around, but that really did happen, but I kind of sympathize, Laura, with like, you're taking this position, and I understand you don't want to grapple with what I've said, and I've said it now three or four times, and there just won't get a response, but look, it's not that I'm saying

00:52:53.000 There was a conspiracy where Netanyahu was propping up Hamas because he thought, I'm saying he said it. 0.62

00:53:01.000 He's on the record saying it, as are all of the leaders in his party.

00:53:05.000 And if you're going to sit here and condemn Hamas, how can you not just go, man, that was such a terrible strategy to prop up this group that then led over and killed all these people. 0.60

00:53:16.000 And by the way, how the hell, a huge question that we should all be concerned about.

00:53:19.000 I think that your definition of propping up and mine are a little bit different.

00:53:21.000 He said it!

00:53:21.000 I'm saying Netanyahu's definition of it.

00:53:23.000 But when you're saying controlling the flame, because the region is controlled by different factions, not of Islam, but you have Palestinian Islamic Jihad, you have Hamas.

00:53:33.000 Did he support Hamas?

00:53:35.000 You have the PLO.

00:53:36.000 Did Benjamin Netanyahu support?

00:53:37.000 You have the PLO.

00:53:37.000 Can you just answer that?

00:53:39.000 When Israel is supplying the aid, they're going to have to engage you. 0.82

00:53:43.000 No, no, no.

00:53:44.000 Let me ask a more specific question.

00:53:46.000 Was it an intentional strategy of the Israeli government to support Hamas?

00:53:49.000 I will not say.

00:53:50.000 I'm not going to say that.

00:53:51.000 Well, Benjamin Netanyahu will say it was, and he openly did say it was.

00:53:56.000 And if you can't even condemn that, then how are you going to condemn Hamas and Iran for supporting Hamas? 0.56

00:54:01.000 I am providing clarification on this idea of what it means to prop it up.

00:54:03.000 No, you're not.

00:54:04.000 You're dodging it.

00:54:04.000 I'm not dodging it.

00:54:05.000 People need to understand, right, that these are not people trapped in some open-air prison, okay?

00:54:11.000 These are people who elected an Islamic terrorist organization to represent them.

00:54:17.000 There are active polling measures taking place this week by Palestinian media, by Palestinian—these are Muslim organizations that are conducting polls that show that over 58 percent of the Palestinian population would elect Ishmael Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, even after watching all the havoc that Hamas has brought, right?

00:54:40.000 And I'm not saying that there aren't innocent people.

00:54:42.000 There are innocent people.

00:54:43.000 But at what point in time do the Palestinian people, right, if they want to claim to be innocent civilians, at what point do they have a responsibility to restore or kind of get rid of this status quo? 0.96

00:54:56.000 Because don't people in all societies have a responsibility to challenge or overthrow governments if their governments are not serving the people?

00:55:04.000 That is such a great question.

00:55:05.000 So let me just say this, okay?

00:55:07.000 The United States of America, in the last 20 years, okay?

00:55:11.000 Between the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, which I think we can all probably agree were, like, just ridiculous catastrophes that we never should have fought.

00:55:21.000 Let's also add in there the war, uh, Obama's, which I'm sure you'll agree with me about, Obama overthrowing Gaddafi in Libya and leading to the migrant crisis into Europe was an absolute disaster. 0.51

00:55:30.000 Let's also throw in there the attempt- And bringing in all these refugees. 1.00

00:55:34.000 Let me just finish my point.

00:55:36.000 Let's also add in there the attempted regime change war in Syria, which we started that led to 500,000 people dying.

00:55:42.000 Let's also throw in there the war in Yemen, which we backed the Saudis fighting.

00:55:45.000 Don't forget the Arab Spring. 0.85

00:55:47.000 Something else like 500,000 somewhere in that ballpark also died.

00:55:51.000 When you add up all of the numbers, you're talking about millions and millions of dead innocent people.

00:55:58.000 What responsibility do you have?

00:55:59.000 What responsibility do I have?

00:56:01.000 What responsibility do you have?

00:56:02.000 Are we fair targets now to be murdered because we haven't overthrown the status quo as you just said?

00:56:08.000 Why is it that we as Americans get to hold these standards against other nations which we would never dream of imposing on ourselves?

00:56:17.000 You know, the question is always asked,

00:56:19.000 What's Israel supposed to do? 0.93

00:56:20.000 Don't they have a right to defend themselves?

00:56:22.000 Do all of these countries that we've slaughtered innocent people in, do they have a right to defend themselves?

00:56:27.000 Do they have a right to come over here and kill innocent civilians?

00:56:30.000 I would say no.

00:56:31.000 They don't have a right to come kill innocent civilians.

00:56:33.000 You have political grievances with the government class

00:56:35.000 We're good to go.

00:57:05.000 We're not targeting innocent women and children.

00:57:06.000 We absolutely are.

00:57:07.000 Intent matters, okay?

00:57:09.000 And I'm one of the most sickening things of this debate, right?

00:57:13.000 Because, and I hate even calling it a debate, because I don't think it's a debate.

00:57:17.000 It shouldn't be a debate to say that Israel has a right to defend itself.

00:57:20.000 The Jewish people have a right to exist and Jewish lives matter.

00:57:23.000 But no one's arguing with that.

00:57:25.000 No, but there are people who are arguing with this.

00:57:26.000 Okay, well no one here is arguing with that.

00:57:27.000 The Democrat Party doesn't seem to think that Jewish lives matter.

00:57:29.000 The Democrat Party is going to support Israel. 0.75

00:57:32.000 The thousands of people that are marching in the street.

00:57:34.000 Joe Biden is going to write a blank check to Israel, and you know it, and I know it, and you know it.

00:57:38.000 Possibly at the expense of the left wing of his party.

00:57:40.000 Yes, yes.

00:57:41.000 But why are you only talking about Israel?

00:57:43.000 He just allocated $10 billion to Iran today.

00:57:48.000 Two months ago it was $6 billion, and now it's $10 billion. 0.99

00:57:54.000 Who knows, maybe go slaughter more Jews, right? 1.00

00:57:56.000 Because let's be honest, I really do think that the Biden administration enjoys watching this. 0.99

00:58:00.000 I do.

00:58:01.000 I think that we're watching and we're witnessing the third administration, the third term of Barack Hussein Obama.

00:58:05.000 And when you look at the fact that Joe Biden decided upon assuming the office and taking the transition of power, assuming the White House, do you know who he put in charge of being the Senior Director of Intelligence at the National Security Council?

00:58:22.000 He put a Muslim, jihadist, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, Palestinian individual by the name of Maher Batar, who also served in Barack Hussein Obama's National Security Council.

00:58:34.000 And so, I was able to, I actually broke this story, and this was released on my ex-account, on my website, and people can, you know, follow my reporting on Loomer.com, but it was Maher Batar who gave the directive to, we share intelligence with Israel when it comes to combating Hamas and Hezbollah, because Hamas and Hezbollah, 0.64

00:58:52.000 Okay, and these proxies, whoops, that are being funded by Iran, they're coming across our southern border.

00:58:59.000 So this isn't just an issue that's unique to Israel.

00:59:01.000 These people are making their way through Joe Biden's open borders, our porous borders.

00:59:05.000 They're making their way through the Darien Gap.

00:59:07.000 They're making their way through Venezuela, and they are coming in, and a security advisory that was just leaked and released, and I believe it, you know, I broke this story first, and my reporting was confirmed by Daily Caller weeks later.

00:59:20.000 DHS had a memo.

00:59:22.000 It came out of their San Diego office that said that they have active Hamas and Hezbollah terror cells here in the United States of America.

00:59:28.000 So when are we going to, when are we going to call out the allocation of funds to these other countries as well?

00:59:33.000 Joe Biden is not only sponsoring the attacks on Israel right now by funding jihadists, but also his own appointees within the National Security Council gave the directive to not monitor Hamas and Hezbollah.

00:59:47.000 When are we going to hold the Biden administration accountable?

00:59:49.000 He was literally

00:59:50.000 I'm fine with...

01:00:05.000 It's not just black and white though!

01:00:31.000 Well, right, but you kind of made it sound like it is.

01:00:33.000 But we have defense negotiations with Israel where they have to purchase weapons from us.

01:00:36.000 I mean, it's not just like we're giving Israel tons of money for nothing.

01:00:42.000 There's no agreement that Barack Obama had to use his veto power at the United Nations to veto everything that was condemning Israel.

01:00:51.000 I think it's actually much more complicated than that.

01:00:53.000 Now, if you're going to say we have to hold the Biden administration accountable, I am so with you on that.

01:00:58.000 We should also hold Obama's administration accountable and Donald Trump's administration accountable.

01:01:03.000 We should also hold Benjamin Netanyahu's administration accountable.

01:01:06.000 And if we're going to say that there's like, you know, the administration is doing these bad things and funding these groups again, I'll just come back to, I don't know how, I just don't understand how you can possibly take this line and still not be offended that Benjamin Netanyahu openly was propping up Hamas. 0.55

01:01:23.000 But regardless of that, what you said before, of course Israel has a right to exist.

01:01:27.000 Israel has a right to defend themselves.

01:01:29.000 Jewish people have a right to defend themselves.

01:01:31.000 But Palestinians also have a right to exist.

01:01:33.000 They also have a right to defend themselves.

01:01:35.000 And if we're going to just ignore that entire half of the equation, then we're never going to be having an honest conversation.

01:01:41.000 But you should tell that to Hamas because nobody in Israel said that Palestinian lives don't matter.

01:01:46.000 Nobody in Israel said that Palestinians don't have a right to exist.

01:01:49.000 I've been to Israel.

01:01:50.000 I don't know if you've ever been to Israel.

01:01:52.000 You're saying nobody there has said that they're animals?

01:01:55.000 I'm talking about in terms of their structure.

01:01:58.000 Try going to Gaza and see how long you survive.

01:02:00.000 Try going to Gaza.

01:02:01.000 Maybe you should schedule a stand-up comedy tour in Gaza and see what they do to you, Dave. 1.00

01:02:04.000 Okay, yeah, I wouldn't want to go...

01:02:07.000 What type of point is it that I wouldn't want to perform in an Israeli prison? 0.99

01:02:10.000 It's not an Israeli prison.

01:02:12.000 You have Palestinians that were given work visas to go work in the kibbutz. 0.88

01:02:16.000 These people welcomed these Palestinians in.

01:02:18.000 They were able to get clearance through the Israeli government.

01:02:21.000 And you know what these people did?

01:02:22.000 They were considered innocent civilians too.

01:02:24.000 They mapped out the kibbutz and they turned over the maps to Hamas. 0.90

01:02:27.000 Has Israel committed any crimes against the Palestinians?

01:02:29.000 You have Palestinians that actively serve in the IDF.

01:02:33.000 You have Muslims, you have Palestinians who have positions within the Knesset, which is the Israeli government.

01:02:39.000 So this idea that, oh well, Palestinian or Muslim lives don't matter in Israel, and every Palestinian is such a victim.

01:02:46.000 Do you know what Israel's doing right now?

01:02:49.000 Israel is delivering incubators.

01:02:51.000 You have IDF soldiers risking their lives, okay, going into Gaza where they know that people want them dead because they were born Jewish, okay, and they are delivering incubators for Palestinian babies inside a hospital because Hamas has a tunnel underneath the hospital.

01:03:08.000 They are making the Palestinian people human. 1.00

01:03:11.000 Let me ask you something.

01:03:11.000 Sure.

01:03:13.000 What you did say was actually true about, I think, 20% of the

01:03:19.000 Yeah, and so you cannot say that these people are living in a prison.

01:03:24.000 Oh, no question about that.

01:03:25.000 Yes, there's a distinction.

01:03:25.000 Yes, sure, absolutely.

01:03:26.000 So it's just not a fair comparison, Dave.

01:03:49.000 Well, what you said before.

01:03:51.000 Have you been to Israel before?

01:03:52.000 Many times, many times.

01:03:53.000 I've been to Israel about six times and prior to COVID, I used to, there was a group called the United West and you know, I'm a Zionist and I'm a proud Zionist.

01:04:02.000 I don't care who that offends either.

01:04:04.000 I'm proud to be Jewish.

01:04:05.000 I'm proud to support Israel and I'm proud to be a Zionist and I don't give a damn who that offends either.

01:04:09.000 I know there's people out there that

01:04:10.000 I don't want to use the word Zionist like it's some kind of dirty word, but I firmly stand against that.

01:04:16.000 And I used to lead a group of people, they were both Jews and Christians, Christian Zionists, and we would take a border security trip every single year and we would teach American Zionists, a lot of evangelicals, Christians and Jews, and we would teach them about border security.

01:04:29.000 And we would go to the Lebanon border, we went to the Gaza border, and we would show people the importance of walls.

01:04:36.000 Have you been to any Middle Eastern countries other than Israel?

01:05:06.000 Yeah, well, I've been to the UAE, and I have, let's see, where else have I been?

01:05:10.000 I try not to go, honestly.

01:05:12.000 I mean, I don't really like going to Muslim countries, I'll be honest with you. 1.00

01:05:15.000 Have you been to Israel?

01:05:15.000 I don't have a desire to go to Muslim countries.

01:05:17.000 Have you been to the Middle East?

01:05:19.000 No, I've never been to Israel, but I'm from New York City, so I grew up way Jewier than that. 0.52

01:05:23.000 He's from New York.

01:05:24.000 So, what do you say to the people that say, look, you've never even been there, man.

01:05:28.000 I think we should go.

01:05:29.000 I would love to go to Israel with you.

01:05:31.000 I would love to take you to Israel.

01:05:33.000 We might give it a few months.

01:05:34.000 No, but seriously, everybody should go and see for themselves.

01:05:37.000 Listen, look, it's just all of this, right?

01:05:39.000 Like, let me first say, it's totally irrelevant, and you could say that if somebody in the year 2002, when the war drums were beating to go fight a war in Iraq, and if I were to sit here and say, we should not fight this war in Iraq, and then someone else goes, he's got weapons of mass destruction, he's in bed with Al Qaeda, and they go, and I've been to Iraq.

01:05:58.000 So I know.

01:05:59.000 Like, okay, but that's totally irrelevant to whether... But there's a difference between going to the country and actually seeing what's going on, like on the border.

01:06:07.000 Sure!

01:06:07.000 But lots of people can go to countries and not... Someone could come visit America and that doesn't mean they understand the totality of America.

01:06:13.000 There is a difference between going to the U.S.

01:06:16.000 and not going to the border.

01:06:17.000 We had specialized access and I'm not going to say... I'm not saying you can't gain any knowledge from going there.

01:06:22.000 But I had specialized access.

01:06:23.000 But I'm saying it's irrelevant to whether you're right or wrong in the argument.

01:06:27.000 Okay, let me just say, look, to your point, because I want to actually grant a point here, because I do think there's an asymmetry in this debate, where I'm not sitting here and saying, Palestinians have never done anything wrong to any Israelis, and I would never, like, even address the fact that this and this and this was a war crime or this.

01:06:42.000 I certainly will.

01:06:43.000 There have been lots of those, okay?

01:06:45.000 And it is certainly true, and a lot of the kind of, like, pro-Israeli loudest voices like to make this point a lot, Ben Shapiro's and probably yourself, and this is a fair point that I think everybody should recognize.

01:06:54.000 I'm not a fan of Ben Shapiro, I'll just say.

01:06:56.000 He may be Jewish, but just because he's Jewish doesn't mean that I agree with everything that Ben Shapiro says.

01:07:01.000 I know, but I just want to make it clear.

01:07:02.000 I just want to make that clear.

01:07:03.000 I'm just saying that other loud pro-Israeli voices will make this point, which you probably would agree with, so just listen to what I'm saying.

01:07:09.000 That if you were, if all of us had to live as the average Arab citizen of a country

01:07:19.000 Maybe the UAE.

01:07:42.000 No.

01:07:42.000 Not average.

01:07:43.000 Not average.

01:07:44.000 Because you're thinking of the elite.

01:07:45.000 Do you hang out with Patrick B. Davis?

01:07:46.000 You're not going over there and hanging out with the average people.

01:07:49.000 You're just hanging out with the guys at the bar.

01:07:51.000 So that's different.

01:07:52.000 I'm not talking about the 1%. 0.95

01:07:54.000 I'm saying the average person there.

01:07:57.000 By far the way you live in Israel. 0.98

01:07:59.000 And because I love liberty and I respect civilization, I recognize that.

01:08:03.000 I think there's a fair reason to kind of support the people of Israel and the country.

01:08:10.000 The point is that that's irrelevant to the conflict.

01:08:13.000 In the same sense that if you were in a bar fight and someone and and if a cop showed up or and you were like telling him you saw a bar fight and you were like that this guy came at this guy with a bottle and he punched him back in the face and then you went oh well then I guess that guy was defending himself and this guy was the aggressor and then if the someone else came to the cop and they go yeah but the guy coming at him with a bottle he's really good to his wife.

01:08:13.000 Okay?

01:08:36.000 Like he always tells her she's beautiful, he doesn't cheat on her, he doesn't do anything.

01:08:39.000 You'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's irrelevant to the conflict here.

01:08:44.000 So just for an example, if you look, the average Muslim citizen in America has a much better life than the average Muslim citizen in Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

01:08:55.000 But if you said who was the good guys and who were the bad guys in the war in Iraq, well the bad guys were the American military who were invading under false pretenses.

01:09:05.000 Or really say the bad guys were the Bush administration.

01:09:08.000 Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.

01:09:09.000 The soldiers were maybe brainwashed into it.

01:09:11.000 But you get the point I'm making here?

01:09:13.000 That even though we are a superior civilization than Saddam Hussein's Iraq was, that doesn't mean that you're not guilty of any crimes when you go over there and slaughter a million people and displace 15 million more on a war sold on lies. 0.96

01:09:29.000 And the fact is that you can ignore it all you want to, but if you're going to pretend that there are no crimes,

01:09:35.000 No moral crimes and legal crimes that have been committed against the Muslims by the Jews from 1948 till today, you are not living in reality.

01:09:45.000 The truth is it's inexcusable what Israel has done to these people. 0.94

01:09:48.000 They won a war in 1948 and they won a war in 1967, so these people have to be subjugated for eternity?

01:09:55.000 And you think that's not going to breed blowback and resentment?

01:10:00.000 But so are you basically proposing that we turn New York back over to the British?

01:10:04.000 No.

01:10:05.000 Why would I be?

01:10:06.000 How would that even follow?

01:10:07.000 How would that even follow?

01:10:08.000 No, because you're like, oh, well, these people want a war and so they have to be subjugated for eternity.

01:10:14.000 That's what happens when you win wars, dude.

01:10:16.000 You know, like you win a war and you control the narrative and you write history.

01:10:21.000 So are you basically saying that

01:10:22.000 You know, we need to turn over land back to the British, or we need to turn over land back to the Indians. 0.98

01:10:29.000 I mean, do you see how ridiculous this sounds? 0.81

01:10:31.000 But you live in New York. 0.98

01:10:33.000 Should we give New York back to the British? 1.00

01:10:35.000 I'm asking you a question, because that kind of is what you basically said.

01:10:39.000 So actually, the Indians in the example makes more sense.

01:10:41.000 No, it actually makes more sense with regards to the British.

01:10:43.000 Wait, do you ask me a question?

01:10:44.000 So let me answer.

01:10:45.000 Okay.

01:10:45.000 No, it actually makes more sense in terms of the Indians because they were the indigenous people living here and we kind of kicked them out.

01:10:50.000 And the British were our colonizers who invaded us and we fought them off. 1.00

01:10:54.000 So that's just a totally apples to oranges.

01:10:56.000 But you're accusing the Israelis of being colonizers.

01:10:58.000 Laura, let me just...

01:10:59.000 But I'm just saying you accuse the Israelis of being... The example, if you just follow what I'm saying, the example to the natives would make more sense. 0.56

01:11:06.000 But look, here's the thing, right?

01:11:08.000 It seems pretty universally agreed upon in modern society that what we did to the Native Americans wasn't completely right.

01:11:16.000 Now I'm not saying we're gonna give all our land back to them because of that, but at the same time I'm also not saying

01:11:21.000 West Bank.

01:11:40.000 That was not okay.

01:11:42.000 And so now, you're also adding the fact that this was not starting in the 1400s up through the 1700s.

01:11:49.000 This was in 1948, when all of our grandpas were alive.

01:11:54.000 That's not such a long time ago.

01:11:56.000 There are people, not that many of them now, but there are people in Palestine who were the original people there.

01:12:02.000 And so yes, of course, it's worth it to at least recognize that this happened, it was wrong, and there are going to be resentful feelings about that.

01:12:10.000 But no, I wouldn't say we should give it back.

01:12:13.000 It was wrong that Israel was surrounded by Islamic aggressors on every single border. 1.00

01:12:17.000 They weren't surrounded.

01:12:18.000 They settled there.

01:12:19.000 They chose that they wanted to have a Zionist project and go.

01:12:22.000 It is wrong.

01:12:23.000 No, but I'm talking, you're talking about Anakba, I assume, right?

01:12:26.000 And so the reality is, is that this idea that, oh, the Jews just drove all of these Palestinians away.

01:12:31.000 No, there were many Palestinians who said, you know what?

01:12:34.000 We don't want to be casualties of a war because of all these, you know, invading Islamic armies that are going to surround. 1.00

01:12:40.000 And so there's a lot of people that fled on their own accord because they didn't want to die.

01:12:43.000 Did they want to come back?

01:12:44.000 They wanted to, well, you have to ask them.

01:12:47.000 So let me just respond to a couple things you said here, because this is, I think, really important and gets to the crux of the matter.

01:12:52.000 So number one, I'd say, OK, if you fled, some of them were forced out, some of them fled.

01:12:55.000 We know all this from the historical record.

01:12:58.000 Regardless, if some people start shooting outside my house and I take my family and run, I don't think that means that they own my house now.

01:13:05.000 But who was shooting?

01:13:07.000 Well, Israelis in many cases. 0.91

01:13:09.000 In many cases, I'm not saying all, because I'm not being black and white here.

01:13:15.000 Let me make my point.

01:13:17.000 This is the bigger point.

01:13:18.000 Here's the bigger point, because I think this is the height of the whole debate here.

01:13:22.000 What you said before is you go, look, yeah, they won the war, and they get to write the history books, and they get to control the land.

01:13:29.000 That's the way of the world, right?

01:13:31.000 That was literally what you just said.

01:13:32.000 That is the way of the world.

01:13:34.000 Okay, fine.

01:13:35.000 Fine.

01:13:35.000 But then own that.

01:13:37.000 If you're just saying might makes right, and that's okay, fine.

01:13:41.000 But then, accept this.

01:13:43.000 You don't get to look at these Islamists and say you're a bunch of barbarians, because all you're saying is might makes right. 1.00

01:13:50.000 And you know what their response to that is?

01:13:52.000 October 7th.

01:13:53.000 That's the response. 0.93

01:14:09.000 That's why I gave the example that I gave, because it's just ridiculous. 0.85

01:14:13.000 Like, are we going to turn over New York back to the British or back to the Native Americans? 0.98

01:14:18.000 It's the same exact concept.

01:14:19.000 What do you want to do?

01:14:20.000 Are you just going to surrender Israel to the Arabs? 0.99

01:14:23.000 But I already said no to that.

01:14:25.000 I said no.

01:14:26.000 And me making that example isn't me just saying, oh, might makes right.

01:14:29.000 The fact of the matter is, is this was planned.

01:14:31.000 This was planned to be symbolic, okay?

01:14:34.000 This was done on the 50 year anniversary of the Yom Kippur War.

01:14:37.000 This was done on Shabbat.

01:14:39.000 This was done during a Jewish holiday, okay? 0.94

01:14:42.000 When the Jews were not using electronic devices so that people couldn't even call for emergency services, so that people couldn't even communicate with their loved ones. 0.99

01:14:51.000 This was planned.

01:14:52.000 This was done and it all relates

01:14:54.000 Okay, I'm going to read something to you now, because I want you to understand how this isn't just, you know, oh, the Palestinians got so angry with these Jewish-Israeli occupiers, and so they finally snapped and decided to fight back.

01:15:09.000 In Islam, there is something called the Treaty of Hubadiyah, okay?

01:15:12.000 And I'll read this to you.

01:15:13.000 The Treaty of Hubadiyah was an event, this is real, that took place during the lifetime of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

01:15:21.000 And in warfare, and whenever, you know, Muslims are dealing with Jews and the Islamic world, or anybody for that matter, when it comes to peacemaking treaties or discussions of peace, and especially in times of war, they have to refer to this Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, in which they have to go in increments of 10 years, right? 0.84

01:15:44.000 And so Muslims are only allowed to attack when they're in a position of strength. 0.96

01:15:50.000 And so if they're in a position of weakness, they have to retreat for 10 years, according to the Prophet Muhammad and the guidelines laid out in the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah.

01:15:59.000 So this was planned.

01:16:00.000 We know that this was planned.

01:16:01.000 We know that there were Muslims both in Gaza, we know that the Iranians were funding Hamas and Hezbollah operatives, and that there was widespread coordination.

01:16:12.000 They were following Islamic doctrine.

01:16:16.000 To carry out this attack on Israel on October 7. 0.55

01:16:20.000 And so, it's not as simple as just saying, oh, let's look at the history and let's look at the land disputes.

01:16:25.000 We need to have a conversation and start educating people about the barbarism of Islam. 1.00

01:16:31.000 They need to understand what the Treaty of Hudabiyah is.

01:16:34.000 Our politicians need to understand this as it relates to foreign policy so that we don't spend billions of dollars, you know, trying to implement peace in the Middle East because there's never going to be peace.

01:16:44.000 So what policy should we have?

01:16:46.000 Do you think we've been too soft on the Muslims over the last 20 years?

01:16:48.000 We've got to really understand that Islam is a threat and do what? 1.00

01:16:52.000 Fight seven wars?

01:16:53.000 No, I'm not in favor of going to war.

01:16:55.000 But who reflects on the last 20 years of American foreign policy and goes, you know, the problem is we never recognized that Islam was a threat. 0.83

01:17:03.000 We've just been leaving them alone this whole time. 1.00

01:17:06.000 Maybe we should bomb seven of their fucking countries. 1.00

01:17:08.000 But that's the problem, Dave. 1.00

01:17:09.000 But that's the problem, right?

01:17:11.000 You had George W. Bush in the aftermath of 9-11 who said that Islam is not our enemy, right? 0.97

01:17:17.000 That was his problem?

01:17:19.000 But he said one nice thing about Islam. 1.00

01:17:21.000 Not that he launched two stupid catastrophe wars. 0.98

01:17:24.000 But we wouldn't have needed to launch wars in the Middle East if our lawmakers understood that we were never going to be able to export democracy to the Middle East, okay? 0.94

01:17:33.000 And so that really is the true anti-interventionist stance, is that when you have an actual understanding of Islamic doctrine and the fact that these people don't want peace, they don't want to coexist with other people, okay? 0.54

01:17:44.000 They want you to either believe in Islam, they want you to be one of them, it's 1.00

01:17:49.000 How many Palestinian babies can be killed? 0.98

01:17:51.000 Is there a limit to it?

01:18:11.000 Is there a limit where you go- We don't know- No, no, you don't know.

01:18:13.000 Don't tell me you believe in human rights.

01:18:15.000 No, we don't know how many- Don't judge these people.

01:18:16.000 We don't really know how many people have actually been killed, whether they're- Laura, nobody here is denying- But I want to make things clear.

01:18:21.000 Is there a limit, though, where you go, that's too much?

01:18:21.000 Let me say this, guys.

01:18:21.000 Relax.

01:18:23.000 Relax.

01:18:24.000 Is there a number of Palestinian babies- I'm not even sure a baby's dying.

01:18:24.000 Is there a limit?

01:18:26.000 I'm going to ask a question because you guys aren't hosting the panel.

01:18:28.000 They're tunnels are under the hospital.

01:18:28.000 Take it up with Hamas.

01:18:29.000 That's not what I'm saying, Laura.

01:18:30.000 Nobody's denying- It is their fault.

01:18:30.000 Oh, so it's all their fault.

01:18:31.000 Hold on.

01:18:32.000 It is.

01:18:32.000 Nobody is denying here that it was an absolute disaster, what George W. Bush did in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

01:18:39.000 Nobody's denying that.

01:18:41.000 So you're saying that we can't go over there and try to export democracy and regime change and topple regimes?

01:18:45.000 No, we can't.

01:18:45.000 It's never going to work.

01:18:46.000 But Israel lives in the, as you kind of pointed out, the best house in the shittiest neighborhood. 1.00

01:18:52.000 So they're basically dealing with exactly what you called, would you call it the Treaty of Hudaibiyah?

01:18:56.000 Hudaibiyah.

01:18:57.000 Okay.

01:18:58.000 So what did Israel need to do now?

01:19:00.000 How does Israel deal with this now?

01:19:01.000 Forget about America right now.

01:19:03.000 We have our own issues domestically.

01:19:05.000 But they're in that situation.

01:19:07.000 Right.

01:19:07.000 Forget about America.

01:19:08.000 Where does Israel go from here? 0.61

01:19:10.000 Well, I said from the very beginning, and this is, I think, why you invited me to this debate, right?

01:19:16.000 Because I was very outspoken in my support for completely obliterating Hamas. 0.89

01:19:21.000 I'm not saying kill all Palestinian people, but Hamas needs to be obliterated. 0.95

01:19:24.000 Hamas needs to be obliterated. 0.99

01:19:28.000 Look, it's unfortunate that people are dying, but at the end of the day, right, we need to have an honest conversation about what's going on. 0.98

01:19:35.000 You're talking about the numbers.

01:19:36.000 The Gaza Ministry of Health is controlled by Hamas.

01:19:39.000 They have been caught inflating their numbers.

01:19:41.000 They lied and they said that Israel bombed a hospital.

01:19:44.000 Let's say the numbers aren't right.

01:19:48.000 Is this the Al Shifa Hospital?

01:20:03.000 This is from the Wall Street Journal.

01:20:04.000 They did come out and say that basically Hamas's headquarters is under this Al Shifa Hospital and they're basically using babies and sick people as human shields.

01:20:16.000 Because Netanyahu said, we're going to obliterate Hamas.

01:20:19.000 And so they said, okay, you want to obliterate Hamas?

01:20:21.000 Then we're just going to try to create another PR crisis.

01:20:24.000 And then you're going to have all these leftist progressive organizations, as I said, funneling all this money so that people can be brainwashed into thinking that there's thousands of people around

01:20:33.000 Yep, that's exactly what terrorism is.

01:20:36.000 That's exactly what terrorism is, right?

01:20:37.000 It's trying to provoke a reaction.

01:20:38.000 But don't fall right into it.

01:20:40.000 I'm gonna ask you the exact same question. 0.98

01:20:41.000 Other than just bomb the shit out of Gaza, what else should Israel do? 0.99

01:20:46.000 Well, Israel needs to have support. 0.99

01:20:49.000 I'm not saying send additional aid.

01:20:50.000 What I'm saying is that people need to understand that this is a war between good and evil, okay?

01:20:54.000 And so if you want to liberate the Palestinian people, and you are, if you are one of those people that is foaming from the mouth, chanting free Palestine, okay, then you need to be in support of the eradication of Hamas, because the Palestinian people are never going to be truly liberated until they are liberated from their oppressors, and their oppressors are Hamas.

01:21:14.000 Not the Jewish people delivering them incubators, not the Jewish people making sure that they have food and medical care, okay? 1.00

01:21:20.000 Do you know that there are family members of Hamas terrorists who, you know, they themselves didn't carry out any acts of terrorism, and they were sick, some of them needed organ transplants, and they were actually given medical treatment.

01:21:34.000 That's how humanitarian Israel is, okay?

01:21:37.000 They are giving medical aid to family members of Hamas because they believe in the preservation of life. 0.59

01:21:43.000 Well, okay, but they're also killing people in extremely high numbers.

01:21:46.000 They are trying to protect themselves.

01:21:49.000 They don't want to.

01:21:52.000 They will hit targets where they know there are civilians there because they suspect one Hamas guy is there as well.

01:21:58.000 But it's not one Hamas guy.

01:22:00.000 He literally just said the Wall Street Journal confirmed that Hamas' headquarters is underneath a hospital.

01:22:05.000 Yes, I'm not denying that.

01:22:07.000 It's not just one.

01:22:08.000 Let me ask the question and then you're going to answer.

01:22:10.000 Here we go.

01:22:12.000 He did make a point that it's, you know, Trump famously said, if you come at me, I'll come at you 10 times harder.

01:22:17.000 He said that.

01:22:18.000 You know that, right?

01:22:19.000 And in his speech to the RJC last week, it was brilliant.

01:22:21.000 I loved it.

01:22:22.000 When I saw him, I said, I loved your speech, Mr. President.

01:22:24.000 Cool, but this question isn't about Trump.

01:22:26.000 One drop of blood will spill a gallon of yours. 1.00

01:22:27.000 Okay, there it is.

01:22:28.000 Got it.

01:22:28.000 So basically, you know.

01:22:29.000 And some innocent blood in there too.

01:22:31.000 Israel's winning basically 10 to 1.

01:22:33.000 So for the 1,200 lives that were

01:22:36.000 Foolishly slaughtered at the hands of Hamas.

01:22:40.000 According to Hamas's numbers, according to UN numbers, we shall see 10,000 Palestinians have died in Gaza. 0.81

01:22:48.000 According to who?

01:22:49.000 This is

01:23:09.000 Hamas out of there.

01:23:10.000 Is there any number in mind?

01:23:11.000 I don't know.

01:23:11.000 Maybe we should, you know, we should contact Elon Musk because Elon Musk has allowed for Ishmael Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, to have an ex-account.

01:23:18.000 And so I think that what we should do is we should try to... You too!

01:23:21.000 We should get... Yeah, but I'm not a terrorist, right?

01:23:23.000 Well... The DOJ thinks I am, right?

01:23:25.000 Because I support President Trump, but... Well, I mean, you're supporting the killing of babies, so I don't know.

01:23:29.000 Why don't we... Why don't we call... But she's not actually killing them. 1.00

01:23:32.000 Why don't we... No, no.

01:23:33.000 I'm answering your question.

01:23:36.000 Why don't we call Elon Musk?

01:23:37.000 And ask him to contact Ismail Haniyeh, who he is allowing to have a platform on X, okay?

01:23:43.000 And we can Skype or Zoom Ismail Haniyeh in from Qatar, where he's being protected right now.

01:23:48.000 And we can say, hey, how many more innocent people need to die?

01:23:51.000 When are you going to move your headquarters from underneath this hospital where babies are in incubators?

01:23:56.000 That's not a question for me.

01:23:57.000 That's a question for Hamas. 0.98

01:23:59.000 I'm not dodging the question.

01:24:01.000 That's not.

01:24:02.000 I don't trust those numbers.

01:24:03.000 I want to finish this statement.

01:24:04.000 Is the standard that people who kill innocent human beings shouldn't be allowed on Twitter?

01:24:09.000 Is that the standard?

01:24:09.000 Just give me the objective standard.

01:24:11.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:24:12.000 Why should I have to answer the question about when enough is enough?

01:24:15.000 When Hamas is obliterated, that is when enough will be enough.

01:24:18.000 Okay, so let's say in order to obliterate Hamas, and let's even say it's all on them because they're hiding in the basement of buildings where innocent people are. 0.95

01:24:26.000 But let's say in order to eliminate Hamas... 0.82

01:24:30.000 I'm not denying that.

01:24:32.000 What I was referring to was the refugee center where there was one suspected Hamas member and they killed like 17 people or something like that.

01:24:39.000 But let's just say, hypothetically, Hamas is embedded itself. 0.50

01:24:42.000 They're doing this human shield thing where they're underneath buildings with innocent civilians.

01:24:47.000 And in order to kill Hamas, it means 50,000 innocent men, women, and children have to die.

01:24:53.000 Do you support that?

01:24:55.000 Look, I don't support innocent people being killed.

01:24:59.000 Innocent people die in war.

01:25:01.000 But if it's what's necessary to take out Hamas, is that what needs to happen? 0.89

01:25:04.000 I'm not answering how many people need to die.

01:25:06.000 I know you want to answer it.

01:25:07.000 Because it's a hypothetical.

01:25:09.000 Because it will reveal the point.

01:25:10.000 No.

01:25:12.000 No, it's not going to reveal the point.

01:25:13.000 That's why you won't answer it.

01:25:15.000 Because I'm not going to decide how many lives need to be lost.

01:25:19.000 That is a question for Hamas. 0.97

01:25:19.000 But the question is Israel is... That's a question for Hamas. 0.97

01:25:22.000 It's not Israel. 0.94

01:25:23.000 Okay, fine, fine.

01:25:23.000 So let's just... Israel is not trying to kill these people.

01:25:25.000 Let's take for the sake of argument... 0.84

01:25:27.000 You're asking me to decide how many people should be killed.

01:25:42.000 And watch, you just won't answer the question.

01:25:44.000 It's not that I'm not answering the question.

01:25:46.000 You're literally not answering the question.

01:25:47.000 Israel has been very strategic, and they have been very deliberate in trying to identify Hamas targets to reduce civilian casualties.

01:25:56.000 And now, because of this, Hamas has decided to put their headquarters underneath high civilian populated areas.

01:26:03.000 And so, I'm going to double down on what I said.

01:26:10.000 If people have a problem with civilian deaths, and they have a problem with innocent children dying, and innocent women, and innocent men dying, and we all should be appalled at the idea of innocent children dying.

01:26:20.000 It's terrible.

01:26:20.000 The images, whether they be Jewish babies, Muslim babies, okay, all babies' lives matter.

01:26:25.000 I think that we can agree here.

01:26:27.000 I'm very pro-life.

01:26:28.000 I will say that.

01:26:29.000 The reality is that you're not seeing mass condemnation from people when it comes to Hamas putting their headquarters underneath these densely populated areas.

01:26:39.000 And I want to understand why.

01:26:40.000 I think there's tons of people condemning Hamas.

01:26:42.000 But let me just add this too.

01:26:46.000 We also need to really be critical of the information that we're seeing coming out of the media as it relates to the numbers, how many babies or how many civilians are dying.

01:26:57.000 I don't know if you saw this, but Senator Tom Cotton, he actually just called for the DOJ to carry out an investigation because it was revealed that CNN

01:27:07.000 I think so.

01:27:24.000 You know, it's now coming out that the media has their own Hamas terrorist, confirming what we all know, that the media is the real terrorist organization that is wreaking havoc, not only in our country and sowing discord here in America, but all around the world. 0.57

01:27:37.000 Additionally, you said the numbers come from the UN.

01:27:42.000 You need to know this as well.

01:27:43.000 They found United Nations and UNICEF medical kits on the back of the motorcycles and on the backs, like the backpacks, right?

01:27:51.000 And with inside the backpacks of these Hamas jihadist killers who were going into these kibbutzes and murdering people.

01:27:57.000 And so I take offense, not only as a journalist, but also as a Jew and somebody who's pro-Israel, that you're citing UN numbers. 0.86

01:28:05.000 I mean, these people are literally giving medical supplies to Islamic terrorists.

01:28:09.000 We cannot trust numbers coming out of the Gaza Ministry of Health when the Gaza Ministry of Health is literally controlled and operated by Hamas. 0.50

01:28:15.000 Would you at least agree that whether it's a 10 to 1 or a 12 to 1 or a 5 to 1, they are winning this?

01:28:22.000 Emphatically.

01:28:23.000 Israel? 0.53

01:28:24.000 Yes.

01:28:24.000 I mean, as far as the body count goes.

01:28:26.000 Well, you're not going to go up against the IDF and expect to win, and so I think that Hamas is getting what they deserve. 0.98

01:28:32.000 But Dave, how does Israel, what are they supposed to do?

01:28:35.000 Meaning, alright, so Amnesty International, you want to agree with them or not?

01:28:39.000 I mean, I'm not here to fact, you know.

01:28:42.000 Back check every single little stat, but during the 2009 investigation they found that Hamas stored munitions in hospitals and schools, basically their base out of there.

01:28:50.000 The Wall Street Journal came out and said basically the center of the war is in fact this Al Shifa Hospital.

01:28:55.000 So how should Israel deal with the fact that they're shooting missiles, bombs out of hospitals and schools?

01:29:02.000 At innocent civilians.

01:29:03.000 How should Israel react to that?

01:29:05.000 Okay, so there's several things to that, but I'm just going to start by just pointing out that it's like, I don't know Laura, there's been several times in this debate where you just won't respond to what I'm saying, and you just kind of won't answer it, so I'm not going to do that.

01:29:18.000 What should the response be, say, to October 7th?

01:29:22.000 Um, I would say that primarily, first of all, there were active hostages involved immediately.

01:29:29.000 So I would say the first thing, much like what you do when, look, if a hostage, if there's a bank robber and he has a machine gun and he takes 12 hostages up with him, the response is not

01:29:40.000 Makes sense.

01:29:59.000 Fortify your borders?

01:30:01.000 Have a true investigation to find out how the hell it is possible that the most prepared fortress of a country allowed the most surveilled area in the world, which is Gaza, to commit 0.92

01:30:15.000 What the most obvious attack would have been, like this was not 9-11.

01:30:19.000 This was not like, I know they could say George W. Bush got that one piece of intelligence that said planes into buildings, but planes into buildings was still a pretty wild thing to actually have happen.

01:30:27.000 People crossing over the border from Gaza to kill Israelis is what you always had your eye on. 0.99

01:30:33.000 So how in the hell did this possibly happen? 0.67

01:30:36.000 Okay, one second. 0.74

01:30:37.000 How in the hell did this possibly happen?

01:30:39.000 How was the response time so long?

01:30:41.000 What exactly happened here?

01:30:42.000 Let's look into some of the more gruesome details about what really went on, what some of the first-hand accounts are, and then you should absolutely hold Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party accountable for this strategy of propping up Hamas and funding them that blew up in their faces.

01:30:58.000 This is just what the Times of Israel piece the day after, I believe it was either on the 8th or the 9th.

01:31:03.000 It was like either one or two days afterwards said, well, Benjamin Netanyahu's strategy blew up in his face.

01:31:08.000 I agree!

01:31:09.000 And then, and then... Get back to the fact that they're based in hospitals and schools.

01:31:13.000 What do you do with that?

01:31:14.000 Well, look, in the same sense... But they're still shooting missiles and bombs from hospitals.

01:31:19.000 Let's pretend for a second that you value innocent Palestinian life as much as you value, let's say, innocent American life. 0.62

01:31:25.000 Okay?

01:31:26.000 Just pretend for a second that we have the same standard.

01:31:28.000 If there was a SWAT team, let's say a murderer, serial killer,

01:31:33.000 He's on the run from the cops, and he's held up in a school.

01:31:38.000 And they're like, okay, he's in this elementary school.

01:31:41.000 And then the local police, or your state troopers, or even the FBI said, alright, well here's our plan, we're gonna blow up the school.

01:31:50.000 How'd you feel about that?

01:31:52.000 Would you say, oh, that's law enforcement, they're doing a great job?

01:31:54.000 No, you would say that is unacceptable, and in fact, if they did that, you would not sit here and pretend that they cared about human rights, or they really were trying to not kill kids, but there was one bad guy in there, right?

01:32:06.000 But see how that's totally acceptable when it's in Palestine? 1.00

01:32:09.000 Now, all I'm saying is this.

01:32:11.000 Look, even if you want to come at it from the most pro-Israeli point of view, where you have no value on Palestinian life.

01:32:16.000 Let's say you don't care.

01:32:17.000 Whatever. 1.00

01:32:18.000 We gotta kill Hamas, and we're gonna kill all those kids if you have to. 1.00

01:32:21.000 I never said that. 1.00

01:32:43.000 I don't know.

01:32:44.000 I'd feel the exact same way if anyone had that attitude with my kids.

01:32:47.000 I'd be ready to join up with whoever the craziest group was who wanted to go get those people back.

01:32:52.000 And likewise, you see the same thing after October 7th.

01:32:56.000 What is everybody like you who supports Israel saying? 1.00

01:32:58.000 Well, I'm ready to join up to go kill as many of them as we gotta kill to get rid of this problem. 0.99

01:33:03.000 There's actually, maybe there's a lot more similarities than differences between these two sides. 0.99

01:33:07.000 I'd like to counter this because even prior to the attacks on October 7th, okay, you see that there is essentially the equivalent of what would be considered Sesame Street, right?

01:33:16.000 TV programming here for children in America.

01:33:18.000 They have in Gaza for children

01:33:21.000 Okay.

01:33:44.000 I don't know.

01:33:59.000 Counting children as combatants.

01:34:01.000 Okay, and that's something that needs to be discussed.

01:34:03.000 So you want to pull this whole what about the children thing?

01:34:06.000 What about the children the innocent children these poor children that are being blown up and being killed?

01:34:10.000 Yes, let's talk about how this is a violation of the Geneva Convention.

01:34:14.000 Okay, these are we want to actual war crimes.

01:34:16.000 Yeah, making a child an enemy combatants.

01:34:19.000 Okay, making a child You know

01:34:23.000 Absolutely.

01:34:43.000 And there's hours, I'm sure you've seen some of these videos, of Palestinian mothers and women saying, we have so many children, we have eight children, and the reason why we have children is because our children are meant to die to become martyrs for the sake of killing the Jews. 0.87

01:34:57.000 That's what they say. 0.91

01:34:57.000 It's horrible. 0.91

01:34:58.000 It's horrible.

01:34:59.000 Is that to blame for Israel? 1.00

01:35:01.000 They want their kids to go die. 0.99

01:35:02.000 Well, some of them do, and it's horrible. 1.00

01:35:05.000 There's also rhetoric on the other side, and I think we've all probably seen this, on both sides, since October 7th, where you have one side talking about flattening Gaza, they're all savages, kill all of them if we have to, drive all of them out of their land if we have to. 0.94

01:35:19.000 You have another side who's like celebrating at times, like what happened on October 7th. 0.80

01:35:24.000 All of that is horrific, but let's not pretend that it's only happening on one side.

01:35:29.000 And that there's not also something to be said for what was being done to these people to begin with.

01:35:34.000 And might it be?

01:35:35.000 Look, just try to imagine, right?

01:35:36.000 And this is the great point that all of the true America First conservatives, in their best tradition of the sense, always made.

01:35:43.000 Like, you know, Pat Buchanan, who he's like a... Brand for president in 1996?

01:35:49.000 He's kind of like Donald Trump if he read books and knew stuff.

01:35:52.000 So, Pat Buchanan, he's always said that, look, he goes, terrorism is the price of empire.

01:35:59.000 And if you want to have an empire, if you don't want to pay that price, you have to get rid of the empire.

01:36:04.000 He also talked about how Gaza was essentially a concentration camp of the Israelis.

01:36:09.000 He predicted, what was it, like 15 years ago?

01:36:11.000 Have you seen this clip that was going super viral?

01:36:13.000 I think because the time of the age of the kids almost lined up.

01:36:16.000 But he was talking about how there were like, you know, what always happens in Gaza.

01:36:21.000 Israel killed, you know, several innocent people on some targeted strike or something like that.

01:36:25.000 And he was arguing about it on MSNBC.

01:36:26.000 There's a different world when MSNBC would let Pat Buchanan be on.

01:36:30.000 And he's arguing about it, and he goes, look, what do you think her brother and her cousin and her nephew, who are they going to grow up to be?

01:36:41.000 Who are they going to grow up to be?

01:36:42.000 And it was almost like the exact amount of time.

01:36:44.000 He said, like, where are they going to be in 15 years?

01:36:46.000 It was something like 15 years before this event happened.

01:36:48.000 But look, we've got to be, this is what Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan and all of the best of the paleoconservatives and paleolibertarians always recognized.

01:36:55.000 All the true America first people recognized.

01:36:58.000 This was Pat Buchanan's line, which I always loved.

01:37:19.000 And was just like, oh my god, what?

01:37:21.000 They have a right to a speedy trial?

01:37:22.000 Let me finish my point.

01:37:24.000 They have a right to a speedy trial?

01:37:25.000 I hate their freedom!

01:37:27.000 What were his complaints?

01:37:28.000 His complaints were that we prop up Israel and they abuse the Palestinians, that we have bases in Saudi Arabia, that we had the sustained bombing campaign against the Iraqis, and that we prop up brutal dictators in Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

01:37:40.000 Those were their complaints.

01:37:42.000 After 9-11, Colin Powell, the wisest member of George W. Bush's administration, who's still

01:37:49.000 Deserves all of the evil things in the world to happen to him because he still went and lied us into the war in Iraq at the UN even though he knew it was all BS.

01:37:57.000 His response to 9-11 in 2003 was to push for a two-state solution with the Palestinians and the Israelis.

01:38:03.000 Because he knew, this is the cause of so much of the terrorism that we deal with.

01:38:08.000 You simply have to give these people their natural rights.

01:38:11.000 You don't, you can't sit here and say, you can have a state, when Israel has decided you've met X, Y, and Z, which by the way, you're never gonna meet, and then by the way, when they're talking to their own people, they talk about how they're trying to undermine that anyway. 0.53

01:38:24.000 You have to do this.

01:38:25.000 And you know what happened?

01:38:26.000 Is George W. Bush bailed on it because he was basically convinced by House members that you would alienate your evangelical Christian voting base and it would be a one-term election.

01:38:36.000 9-11 was in 2001, okay?

01:38:39.000 The Hamas Covenant was 1988, so we can't exactly use 9-11 as a cop-out for why, you know, the Palestinians have these children. 0.86

01:38:45.000 I didn't say that.

01:38:45.000 No, but I'm just saying that a lot of people will say, oh, well, look at the war on terror.

01:38:50.000 Look, I've been critical of it as well, but this is 1988 that we're talking about, okay?

01:38:54.000 And so I don't really necessarily think that it's fair to say

01:38:58.000 That, sure, if you watch your mother and your father get blown up, you're probably going to have a spirit of revenge and you're going to have deep-seated hatred and want to kill.

01:39:07.000 Anybody would want to kill somebody that killed their family member, right?

01:39:12.000 I think that that's just human nature.

01:39:14.000 Whether it's, you know, a drunk driver, whether it's an act of terrorism, whether it's a murderer, whether it's, you know, whatever it may be.

01:39:20.000 It's vengeance, okay?

01:39:22.000 So do you think that plays a part in the Palestinians' hatred for Israelis?

01:39:26.000 I think that it may play a part when, you know, people are losing... That's something.

01:39:32.000 We're making progress here.

01:39:33.000 You can at least admit that maybe that's part of it.

01:39:36.000 But I also think that it's a serious problem when from the moment a baby is born to a Palestinian, they are being taught Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it. 0.73

01:39:47.000 Just as it obliterated others before.

01:39:49.000 I don't think there's ever going to be peace, and I don't ever think there's going to be peace between these people.

01:39:58.000 Acknowledge the agreement, Laura.

01:40:00.000 Just literally, let me just give you a second.

01:40:02.000 So you acknowledge that what Israel has done to the Palestinians might be at least somewhat of a contributing factor to them hating them.

01:40:09.000 9-11 happened to us, right?

01:40:10.000 I think a lot of Palestinians have done to Israelis as well, because there are innocent Israelis who have been killed.

01:40:14.000 Sure, I know, I know, I know.

01:40:15.000 I know it's tough for you to admit, but we came to a moment of agreement there.

01:40:18.000 Listen, 9-11... There are innocent Jews who are being killed too.

01:40:20.000 Yes, no one's denying that.

01:40:21.000 This is like, okay, fine.

01:40:22.000 9-11 happened to us.

01:40:25.000 What was the American attitude after 9-11?

01:40:28.000 We gave George W. Bush a blank check.

01:40:31.000 Do whatever you want to do. 0.99

01:40:33.000 Drop bombs on whoever the hell you want to drop bombs on. 0.98

01:40:35.000 Because we are pissed off because we got hit and someone else has to suffer for this. 0.57

01:40:40.000 Was it really the people who did it?

01:40:41.000 Is it just innocent people who are dying?

01:40:42.000 And now we're suffering.

01:40:43.000 We're the terrorists.

01:40:44.000 We are the terrorists in our own country.

01:40:47.000 Has had a thousand 9-11s.

01:40:50.000 And if you sit here and go, look, just imagine, try to imagine, be really genuine here, okay?

01:40:54.000 Because we're gonna say we're so much better than the Islamic world, and you know what? 1.00

01:40:57.000 I generally do think we are.

01:40:59.000 But, even us, who's so much better than them, imagine, not one 9-11, but a thousand 9-11s happened here.

01:41:09.000 What would that look like?

01:41:10.000 And then, let's say, after a thousand 9-11s happened here, let's say, whoever, Iran did it. 0.93

01:41:17.000 And then Iran invades and they overthrow our government. 0.79

01:41:19.000 And they prop up their own government.

01:41:21.000 And now they rule us.

01:41:23.000 What do you think the, like, the toughest right-wing militia members in America would be doing?

01:41:29.000 They'd be throwing Molotov cocktails through their government building, they'd be running up suicide bombing themselves, and I bet they'd yell something about Jesus before they did it too.

01:41:38.000 Because they'd probably start clinging to their religion.

01:41:40.000 So, I'm just saying that, like, if we're unwilling, in this debate, in this divide,

01:41:46.000 Try, make a real effort to put ourselves in their shoes and go, what would we do in that situation?

01:41:54.000 If you imagine, listen, this is 1948 is not that long ago, okay?

01:41:58.000 It's our grandpa's.

01:41:58.000 We're talking about 1400 years here.

01:42:00.000 We're not talking about 1948.

01:42:02.000 We're talking about 1400 years of the savagery of terrorism.

01:42:04.000 No, you are, but I'm talking about something else.

01:42:06.000 So anyways, what I'm saying is 1948 was not that long ago, okay?

01:42:10.000 The people... My grandfather fought in World War II.

01:42:15.000 He remembers this very vividly.

01:42:18.000 Those people were kicked out of their homes.

01:42:22.000 I'll say this from the Jewish perspective.

01:42:25.000 And there's a big difference.

01:42:26.000 Now, you may not have this as much as I do, but in general I would say, for Jews this is true, that our parents' generation are way more connected to a serious form of anti-Semitism

01:42:38.000 My grandfather was arrested by Nazis when he was a medical school student and the Jewish students were expelled from medical school and his medical diploma has a swastika on it.

01:42:56.000 So just making the point that, you're right, I'm not, this is my family's history too, and most Jewish people's family's history, okay?

01:43:03.000 And they were like, if you read the writing of the early Zionists, okay, which is like the late 1800s, it's all a reaction against the pogroms, which are, I mean, you ever read about like pogroms in Eastern Europe?

01:43:17.000 I mean, it's just like the most horrific thing.

01:43:19.000 Which are basically the Jewish ghettos of today. 1.00

01:43:20.000 They're happening all over again right now.

01:43:21.000 Well, okay, anyway.

01:43:24.000 It's actually more disturbing than reading about the Holocaust.

01:43:26.000 Even though the Holocaust was on, like, such a larger number, it's something about it, like, it's more systematized, and so it almost, like, removes you from the... But you read about the pogroms, the pogroms were just basically, like, your neighbors all decided they were gonna come in and rip your children apart and rape your wife in front of you and make you watch and then beat you to death. 0.57

01:43:48.000 And this happened over and over and over again. 0.54

01:43:50.000 This was going on where, exactly?

01:43:51.000 In Eastern Europe, most of the old Russian Empire, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, all these areas.

01:43:59.000 And it's happening now, too.

01:44:00.000 It's not happening now like it was happening then.

01:44:02.000 No, it actually is, though.

01:44:04.000 Not like it was happening then.

01:44:05.000 Let's not trivialize that.

01:44:05.000 No, not the Chechnyans.

01:44:06.000 They literally stormed the airport, okay?

01:44:10.000 Who did they catch?

01:44:11.000 They thought an Israeli flight was coming in.

01:44:13.000 They were wrong.

01:44:27.000 It wasn't. 0.99

01:44:27.000 And they were going to kill every single person on that plane. 0.99

01:44:30.000 They said, we're going to kill them. 0.99

01:44:31.000 OK, but anyway, Laura, you're just interrupting. 0.99

01:44:33.000 But that's a part of it.

01:44:34.000 That is a part of it.

01:44:35.000 Well, no, it's not because it didn't end up happening.

01:44:37.000 But anyway, it's not.

01:44:38.000 It's quite possible.

01:44:39.000 But anyway, this all ties in, actually, to my point.

01:44:41.000 But anyway, so the response, Zionism was a response to that. 0.72

01:44:45.000 And what's really interesting is if you read the early Zionists, 0.96

01:44:49.000 They didn't talk that much about the Arabs.

01:44:51.000 And they, first off, none of them had ever been to Palestine.

01:44:54.000 They didn't really know.

01:44:55.000 But they actually talked, when they did mention the Arabs, they talked about them in kind of friendly terms.

01:44:59.000 Because they liked the Ottoman Empire.

01:45:00.000 The Ottoman Empire was kind of cool.

01:45:01.000 They let Jews work. 0.99

01:45:02.000 They let them practice their religion as they wanted to.

01:45:04.000 They were certainly much better than the Russian Empire was to them. 0.99

01:45:07.000 And so it was almost like an afterthought.

01:45:09.000 But it was like, look, we're reacting to that, and so we're going here.

01:45:13.000 And whatever has to happen to the people who are happening, whatever.

01:45:16.000 We need our own state, because we can't live like this anymore.

01:45:19.000 Which is a reasonable conclusion, at least needing your own state, from that.

01:45:22.000 And then of course after the Holocaust, it was like, game over. 0.92

01:45:25.000 We're doing whatever we have to do to do this.

01:45:27.000 I'm just making the point that, look,

01:45:29.000 People react to this level of violence.

01:45:32.000 And if you want to understand what's going on in the world, if you want to understand what motivated Osama bin Laden to hit us on 9-11, if you want to understand what motivates Hamas to hit Israel, you've got to look at this or you're never going to get it.

01:45:44.000 And this is the final point I'll make, because when you talk about these pogroms that are happening all over the world, look.

01:45:49.000 The point of 9-11, Osama bin Laden's goal, which he explicitly wrote about, was what?

01:45:55.000 It wasn't just to kill some Americans in the Twin Towers.

01:45:59.000 It wasn't just that he thought if we took down the towers that would destroy the United States of America.

01:46:04.000 His express goal was to get us to invade Afghanistan. 0.91

01:46:09.000 He was trying to recreate what we trained him to do in 1979 to the Soviet Union.

01:46:15.000 To lure us into Afghanistan to bankrupt us. 1.00

01:46:18.000 And look at this.

01:46:19.000 And then George W. Bush said, I'll do you one better, Osama.

01:46:22.000 I'll invade Iraq also. 0.98

01:46:23.000 And look at us, we're 20 years later, and I'm not saying our country hasn't exactly collapsed, but I bet all three of us and everyone in this room and everyone watching here would agree.

01:46:33.000 Man, our country sure is in trouble.

01:46:34.000 Well, you're also kind of forgetting the part where he wrote about Islamic global domination as well.

01:46:39.000 Yes, he was an Islamist! 0.93

01:46:40.000 Anyway, you conveniently leave that part out.

01:46:42.000 No, I'm not leaving anything out.

01:46:43.000 I'm just focusing on something else that really matters.

01:46:46.000 Obviously, he was an Islamist. 0.74

01:46:47.000 Like, what is that?

01:46:48.000 Yes, of course.

01:46:49.000 Osama bin Laden was a radical Islamist, you know, fundamentalist.

01:46:52.000 The point is that there was a strategy here, okay?

01:46:56.000 And with this Hamas attack, there's also a strategy. 0.83

01:46:59.000 And you know what the strategy of this was?

01:47:00.000 This wasn't just a bunch of barbarians. 0.62

01:47:02.000 This was, I mean, there were barbarians, but this was a very sophisticated attack from land, air, and sea, right?

01:47:09.000 All coordinated against the fortress of the world and they pulled it off.

01:47:13.000 What was the point of this attack?

01:47:14.000 They want us to go to war with Iran.

01:47:16.000 To get Israel to do exactly what they're doing right now and turn the whole world opinion against them, which is exactly what's going on.

01:47:24.000 You're seeing marches in the hundreds of thousands across America, North America, Europe, the entire Muslim world.

01:47:33.000 Listen, even from the most pro-Israel point of view,

01:47:37.000 I hope everyone here recognizes that Israel's existence is under more threat right now than it has ever been in my lifetime.

01:47:46.000 I'm 40.

01:47:48.000 There is a real threat right now that other Arab countries are going to get involved. 0.99

01:47:52.000 This is something that hasn't happened since the 60s and 70s.

01:47:56.000 There's a real chance of it right now because 100% of their populations are against this.

01:48:01.000 And as much as, by the way, I might disagree a lot with what's being said at some of these anti-Israel protests as well.

01:48:05.000 I'm sure all of us don't like some of the rhetoric.

01:48:07.000 But it would behoove Israelis, and it would behoove people who are pro-Israel, to consider the possibility that maybe your rhetoric is actually somewhat right.

01:48:19.000 I mean, I see all of these people who support Israel, and they constantly say to me, they go,

01:48:24.000 Israel is this tiny little dot in a sea of Muslims. 1.00

01:48:29.000 And these people would tear us all limb from limb if they had the shot at that.

01:48:32.000 And also, by the way, Europe and America, there is a tremendous amount of anti-Semitism that is right under the surface.

01:48:39.000 And if you just scratch it, it's all gonna pop up.

01:48:41.000 And what they're all saying is over the last few weeks, we're seeing it.

01:48:44.000 See?

01:48:45.000 Proof.

01:48:45.000 Okay, so let's just take for granted.

01:48:46.000 I don't necessarily agree with all that.

01:48:48.000 But let's just say that's all true. 0.90

01:48:50.000 Then to quote Walter White,

01:48:52.000 Maybe Israeli's best course of action is to tread lightly here and consider the fact that the world is sending you a message saying, you may be okay with killing tens of thousands of Palestinian babies, they are not going to take this.

01:49:05.000 The world is not sending a message, okay?

01:49:07.000 I talked about this and I highlighted this, okay?

01:49:10.000 And then by the way, we're going to go right to the Twitter questions, X questions.

01:49:14.000 The world is not responding to this, okay?

01:49:18.000 Obviously, granted, okay, when you have majority Muslim nations and these are Muslims, they believe in the word of the Quran, okay? 0.67

01:49:27.000 They are Jew-haters, okay? 0.95

01:49:28.000 If they want to call themselves devout Muslims, to be a devout Muslim is to be a Jew-hater, okay? 0.98

01:49:33.000 Some people may not want to hear that, but that's the truth. 0.99

01:49:36.000 If you consider yourself to be a devout Muslim, you are a Jew-hater. 0.68

01:49:39.000 Because the Quran, there are actually more calls for the killing of Jews in the Quran than Hitler's Mein Kampf. 0.61

01:49:46.000 Did you know that?

01:49:48.000 No, I've never read either of those books.

01:49:50.000 I'll lend you my copy.

01:49:51.000 Obviously not.

01:50:06.000 So why is it acceptable for a member of Congress to take their oath of office on the Quran? 0.91

01:50:10.000 Because it's totally different.

01:50:11.000 No, I don't think it is, right?

01:50:12.000 And this is why you have now Rashida Tlaib being censured, of course. 0.79

01:50:15.000 And just today, actually, before coming onto this debate, it was uncovered that she's been a member of a pro-Hamas group where they glorify Hamas martyrs, okay, for the last six years, which, you know, is obviously including the time that she's been serving in Congress.

01:50:28.000 We should not surrender.

01:50:29.000 Are you saying that a Muslim should not be able to serve in the U.S.

01:50:33.000 Congress?

01:50:33.000 I'm saying that it should be illegal to take your oath of office on the Quran.

01:50:37.000 I think that it should be illegal.

01:50:38.000 But if a Muslim took their oath on the Bible, that would be okay? 1.00

01:50:40.000 They should take their oath on the Constitution.

01:50:42.000 But so why would that be?

01:50:43.000 But they'd still be a Muslim. 1.00

01:50:45.000 This is the dumbest, most superficial thing. 0.99

01:50:46.000 It's not, it's not. 1.00

01:50:47.000 So if they just don't take the oath, then they won't hate Jews anymore or something?

01:50:51.000 No, but I'm trying to make the point that we shouldn't have any jihadists in Congress because their views and what they believe in is completely incompatible with Western civilization.

01:50:58.000 But that's all Muslims, right? 0.99

01:50:59.000 That's what you just said.

01:51:01.000 So why would you run away from Adam's point?

01:51:02.000 Should Muslims be allowed to serve? 1.00

01:51:04.000 No, you just don't want to say it.

01:51:05.000 I'm not going to say that we should ban all Muslims from serving in Congress. 0.99

01:51:09.000 But you just said all Muslims hate Jews. 0.99

01:51:10.000 If you are a devout Muslim. 0.98

01:51:12.000 Okay, so should all devout Muslims be banned from serving in Congress?

01:51:16.000 Well, if I could have my way, I would probably say yes. 0.80

01:51:18.000 I'm not even going to dodge the question.

01:51:21.000 I would just say yes.

01:51:22.000 Because I don't want anti-Semites having access to classified information and I don't want anti-Semites serving in positions of power.

01:51:29.000 So that's the standard? 0.83

01:51:30.000 You can't hate Jews and be in Congress? 0.55

01:51:32.000 You can't be a Hamas supporter. 0.76

01:51:34.000 You can't openly support Islamitarism. 0.93

01:51:35.000 Well, you just said anti-Semites.

01:51:36.000 No, I didn't say anti-Semites.

01:51:38.000 I don't have a problem necessarily with the viewpoints, right?

01:51:42.000 I have thick skin.

01:51:43.000 I can get over some of the things that Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar have said about Jewish people, but what I don't like is their open association with groups like ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, which have all been documented and proven, okay?

01:51:56.000 It is true.

01:51:57.000 Barack Obama funded ISIS.

01:52:00.000 We want to talk about anti-semitism, this is why. 0.96

01:52:06.000 You have January 6th political protesters right now who are rotting away in jail cells because they went inside the Capitol, but it's okay for Rashida to leave because she wants to cry Islamophobia and wants to pretend that she's a victim because she's a Palestinian, she's a Muslim, and we can have a full-blown Hamas erection. 1.00

01:52:22.000 This is unacceptable. 0.86

01:52:23.000 So when you talk about scratching the surface,

01:52:25.000 No, politicians on both sides of the aisle, Republican and Democrat, have given it a pass.

01:52:28.000 You didn't need to scratch the surface. 0.70

01:52:30.000 These people were always Jew haters from the beginning.

01:52:32.000 I exposed it six years ago and paid the price of being debanked.

01:52:35.000 I was demonetized.

01:52:36.000 I was shut down on every single social media platform.

01:52:39.000 I was banned from food delivery apps.

01:52:41.000 We're trying to blow the whistle and prevent something like this from happening six years ago.

01:52:44.000 That sucks that you got kicked off social media sites, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making.

01:52:48.000 It does have a point because you want to scratch the surface. 0.95

01:52:51.000 Watch the surface of it.

01:52:52.000 These are issues that have existed.

01:52:54.000 They're ideological issues. 1.00

01:52:57.000 The squad sucks. 1.00

01:52:59.000 They're a bunch of idiots. 1.00

01:53:01.000 The squad sucks. 1.00

01:53:01.000 They're a bunch of idiots. 1.00

01:53:02.000 They're also pretty irrelevant. 1.00

01:53:04.000 They're like the four members of the Democratic Party.

01:53:06.000 They're not irrelevant.

01:53:07.000 They're literally driving policy and shaping Joe Biden's administration.

01:53:11.000 No, they're not.

01:53:11.000 Oh my God, it's such nonsense.

01:53:13.000 Dick Cheney is who drives policy.

01:53:15.000 Not Rashida Tlaib.

01:53:20.000 She's got a popular TikTok channel.

01:53:23.000 But I'm talking about the actual policy that gets through.

01:53:26.000 The policy has been funding Israel.

01:53:29.000 Who's the country, with the exception of Ukraine, just for the last year and a half, who's the country we've given the most foreign aid to?

01:53:35.000 It's Israel, by far. 0.95

01:53:37.000 Who's next after that?

01:53:39.000 Oh, the countries that we pay off to be friends with Israel. 0.66

01:53:41.000 Speaking of Ukraine, the Hamas terrorists were showing... And you can't respond to that either, I'm sure. 0.92

01:53:46.000 Speaking of Ukraine, I'm opposed to all money going to Ukraine.

01:53:49.000 I don't know if you saw these videos as well.

01:53:50.000 But that's not the point of what I was saying.

01:53:51.000 You're completely dodging the point here.

01:53:53.000 You're trying to paint this picture that the U.S.

01:53:56.000 federal government is run by these people who hate Israel

01:53:59.000 When meanwhile, Israel is the country who's received more foreign aid than any other country. 0.96

01:54:04.000 Our country right now is currently run by a bunch of Jew haters. 0.94

01:54:06.000 I will say that. 0.63

01:54:07.000 And they still give Israel more foreign aid than everyone.

01:54:09.000 What a weird coincidence.

01:54:11.000 Israel, you said, and I agree with you, in that I've never seen such a threat to the existence of Israel in my life. 1.00

01:54:16.000 I'm 30 years old.

01:54:17.000 You're 40 or 10 years older than me, of course.

01:54:19.000 But it's alarming.

01:54:20.000 But it's not just alarming.

01:54:21.000 I live in America.

01:54:22.000 I'm concerned about America first. 0.79

01:54:23.000 But there's 15 million Jews left on this planet, okay? 1.00

01:54:27.000 And there's 2 billion Muslims. 0.92

01:54:28.000 And with the amount of Jew hatred that's taking place and the fact that we can't even get every single member of Congress to agree to censure a member of Congress who supports Hamas, which I just read their charter says they want to kill Jews and they want Israel to completely be obliterated. 0.67

01:54:44.000 What does that mean for the global population of Jewry?

01:54:47.000 You're talking about Rashida Tlaib who was censured by 100% of Republicans, but only 20% of Democrats.

01:54:54.000 I don't

01:55:08.000 We have questions.

01:55:09.000 See?

01:55:09.000 We're all interactive here.

01:55:11.000 I'm just saying we're very close to another Holocaust. 0.99

01:55:12.000 Then we'll get to the questions.

01:55:13.000 Nobody wants to see that.

01:55:15.000 And I think he's basically saying tread lightly and you're saying double down.

01:55:17.000 What starts with the Jews doesn't end with the Jews. 0.90

01:55:19.000 And I advise everybody to pay attention because they may think it's fun and games now, but they'll come for the Jews. 1.00

01:55:24.000 They'll eradicate the 15 million Jews left on this planet. 1.00

01:55:27.000 And then who are they going to come for next? 0.98

01:55:28.000 None of this is happening.

01:55:29.000 Let's get real.

01:55:30.000 It is happening.

01:55:31.000 It is happening.

01:55:32.000 The idea that... Listen, Gaza's the only ones at real threat of being eradicated right now.

01:55:37.000 And the only threat to the state of Israel is if they continue down this path.

01:55:42.000 If you get Lebanon, Syria, Iran involved...

01:55:46.000 Yes, that's right.

01:55:47.000 That's what you're looking to avoid, is what you're saying.

01:55:48.000 Yeah.

01:55:49.000 We should all be.

01:55:49.000 But here's the question.

01:55:50.000 Here's from The Human Reaction on X. He says, question, this is probably for you.

01:55:55.000 For those fiscal conservatives concerned about growing debt and reckless spending, but also supporting U.S.

01:56:02.000 financial support of Israel, how do you reconcile the effect of additional military spending on U.S.

01:56:08.000 national debt and taxpayer interest?

01:56:10.000 Well, I've already said that I'm completely against the continued resolution that Speaker Mike Johnson just put forth.

01:56:18.000 I've been very critical of the GOP breaking their promises when it comes to not just eliminating aid to Ukraine, but also adding additional aid to Israel.

01:56:26.000 I think that there's ways that we can combat this terror threat and stand with Israel and also combat anti-Semitism without sending billions more dollars to Israel, Ukraine, or, you know, any other issue.

01:56:38.000 Do you support the foreign aid to Israel?

01:56:40.000 I think that we shouldn't be cutting all of the aid to Israel because we have a joint relationship with Israel and it's a misconception that they just get that aid for absolutely nothing, right?

01:56:50.000 There's military agreements.

01:56:52.000 We have shared intelligence operations, for example.

01:56:55.000 And I will say, you know, speaking on that point, I do agree with what you said earlier.

01:56:58.000 I didn't get a chance to say it.

01:57:00.000 I 100% agree with you that there needs to be an investigation into how the biggest, you know, surveillance state, and they openly, you know, Israel brags about how sophisticated their surveillance state is. 0.67

01:57:11.000 There needs to be an investigation into this intelligence failure, because it also impacts our national security, because we know that these operatives are coming across the U.S.

01:57:18.000 border, and we share intelligence.

01:57:20.000 Well, with Biden's open border policy, they're coming through.

01:57:23.000 Many people from Muslim countries.

01:57:24.000 And so I would much rather prefer, right, that we put those billions of dollars and militarize our own southern border so that we can keep these same Hamas and Hezbollah and IRGC operatives who are trying to attack Israel out of our country. 0.58

01:57:36.000 Can I just answer the question?

01:57:38.000 Well, let me just answer the question very directly.

01:57:40.000 I mean, yeah, it's like, it's completely insane.

01:57:43.000 Cut all foreign aid.

01:57:44.000 We are 30 plus trillion dollars in debt.

01:57:47.000 The idea that we are taxing

01:57:50.000 Ron Paul always said, right, foreign aid is taxing poor people in rich countries to send to rich people in poor countries.

01:57:57.000 And the fact that we're still doing this while our country is collapsing and we're falling apart is insane.

01:58:01.000 But that's not even the worst part of it.

01:58:02.000 Foreign aid really isn't a huge driver of the national debt, to be honest.

01:58:06.000 The worst part of it is that we inherit this tremendous moral hazard in these parts of the world where, look,

01:58:12.000 So Ukraine, which maybe we would agree on this, Ukraine, if America hadn't written them a blank check, would have been forced to negotiate with Russia on day one.

01:58:21.000 And in fact, they were going to negotiate.

01:58:22.000 They were almost at a ceasefire when we sent Boris Johnson over to make sure he didn't.

01:58:27.000 And it's only because we go, we'll fund you until the end of time, that he'll keep fighting.

01:58:30.000 And the truth is that Israel, talk about how radical Islam is, Israel has made peace with Egypt, they've made peace with Jordan, they've made peace with Saudi Arabia, they've made peace with... Not yet! 0.88

01:58:40.000 No, no, no.

01:58:41.000 When I say they've made peace, I mean they haven't been at war with them. 0.97

01:58:45.000 I'm not saying they signed on to one of these dumb Trump-Abraham Accord deals, which is BS anyway. 0.93

01:58:49.000 We can get into that if you want. 0.91

01:58:50.000 But I'm just saying they're not at war.

01:58:52.000 They haven't gone to war with any of these countries.

01:58:55.000 There's one little sliver of Muslims who they haven't made peace with, and that might have something to do with the fact that they've been occupying 1.00

01:59:03.000 I don't know.

01:59:19.000 We're good to go.

01:59:35.000 Well, part of the reason, and there's many, part of the reason is that, you know, they're bribed by the U.S.

01:59:40.000 government.

01:59:41.000 But aside from that, is because they know that if they were to take all of these Muslims in, that that represents Israel getting 100% of what they never had a right to get anyway. 0.94

01:59:50.000 And that the truth is that a lot of these people, as probably all of us would, they feel like they have a right of return to this land that was historically theirs.

01:59:58.000 So what are you going to do when Biden, and this is happening by the way, they are in talks right now to have refugee resettlement of Palestinians here in the United States of America.

02:00:05.000 What are you going to do?

02:00:06.000 What's your position on refugee resettlement in the United States?

02:00:08.000 I oppose it.

02:00:09.000 Okay, that's good.

02:00:10.000 Because you know the Biden administration is planning on, there's talks about resettling Palestinians here in the U.S.

02:00:16.000 That's going to go great, isn't it?

02:00:17.000 That's bad, but just because something else bad is happening doesn't mean anything.

02:00:20.000 Next question for Dave.

02:00:21.000 Alright, here it is from Liam McCollum.

02:00:23.000 I don't know, is that a buddy of yours?

02:00:24.000 I know Liam!

02:00:25.000 Yes, yes.

02:00:26.000 He says, questions for Dave.

02:00:27.000 The United States is already so intertwined in this conflict and has been since the beginning.

02:00:32.000 What do you propose the US does?

02:00:34.000 Do you worry that even if we stopped funding Israel tomorrow, the Muslim world would still blame us for the funding them yesterday? 0.99

02:00:41.000 Um, well, I mean, look, there is no undoing the past, and so I think there is a legitimate point to be made that it's just like, hey, look, say, like, for example, we never should have fought the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq and all of this, but we did, okay?

02:00:54.000 So if we had a time machine, it'd be better to go back and not do that, but we don't, so what can we do now?

02:00:58.000 But I would just say this, that there is actually a tremendous opportunity sometimes when these crises come up, and this really pisses off a lot of

02:01:09.000 A lot of right-wingers, although the wisest of right-wingers, always got this.

02:01:14.000 But, say for example, after 9-11, there was this incredible opportunity for America to unite the world.

02:01:22.000 Russia, famously, Vladimir Putin, was like, what can I do to help you guys?

02:01:28.000 We got calls all over.

02:01:29.000 Muammar Gaddafi was like, waving the white flag, like, what do you guys want?

02:01:33.000 Now, part of this was fear, also, no question about that.

02:01:37.000 Fear of Islamic terrorism?

02:01:38.000 No, fear of our response, I think, at that point.

02:01:41.000 But even in Iran, there are stories, you can go read this, at their biggest, like, soccer stadium, I think it was like 60,000 people, and they had this huge moment of silence for what happened to people on 9-11.

02:01:53.000 The Iranian government came out and condemned it right away.

02:01:56.000 Now, there's a little bit of, like, a Sunni-Shiite beef there, too.

02:01:59.000 I'm not saying any of this is, like,

02:02:01.000 Well, no, but look, I know you want to just make this caricature of all of Islam, but that might happen.

02:02:07.000 This also happened.

02:02:09.000 This also happened.

02:02:10.000 And in this moment, just try to imagine if instead of going on mass killing sprees and just slaughtering innocent Muslims by the millions over the next 20 years, imagine we had just done the special ops missions in Afghanistan.

02:02:25.000 We had trapped Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora when we could have in late 2001 and we decided to let him go so George Bush could fight his war in Iraq.

02:02:33.000 Imagine we had done that and then called the whole thing off.

02:02:36.000 And then we had said, alright look, we took a real hit here.

02:02:40.000 But, like, we get what the grievances of the other side were. 0.90

02:02:44.000 And that doesn't mean we're not going to try to kill the people who killed us.

02:02:47.000 Once you do that, you cross the line. 1.00

02:02:48.000 We're trying to kill you. 1.00

02:02:49.000 But we're not just going to start slaughtering innocent people over this. 0.95

02:02:52.000 All I'm saying, and I'm going to come off like a hippie here, but I actually think I'm in good standing with, like, conservative right-wing tradition, where what America is supposed to be is a city on a hill, not engaged in entangling alliances.

02:03:03.000 Not the empire of the world.

02:03:04.000 Actually, maybe that's the most conservative thing you could say as an American.

02:03:07.000 But we had an opportunity to do something.

02:03:09.000 And so what I think Israel could have done here, and would do if America pressured them to, because all it takes is America saying, we're not going to back you on this unless you make an actual move for peace.

02:03:20.000 Is they could have had an opportunity to say we're going to rise above this.

02:03:23.000 We're going to demonstrate that we have respect for Palestinian life.

02:03:26.000 We do not have any respect for the people who are responsible for this attack. 1.00

02:03:30.000 We're going to do everything we can to kill them. 0.99

02:03:32.000 But we're moving toward an actual peaceful solution here. 0.91

02:03:35.000 We're giving you a real proposal of a two-state solution, not like the BS Oslo Accords.

02:03:40.000 We're actually offering you what you want.

02:03:41.000 Okay, you guys want to be your own government?

02:03:44.000 You can be your own government.

02:03:45.000 We will stop controlling the electricity and the utilities and your airspace and your water space and your ports of entry.

02:03:52.000 We're not going to control that anymore.

02:03:54.000 We're going to let you be your own government, but now you are responsible for what your government does going forward.

02:03:59.000 Now, I'm not saying this would be perfect.

02:04:00.000 I'm not saying that what's happened over the last hundred years didn't happen.

02:04:04.000 But at some point we've got to stop perpetuating this cycle.

02:04:08.000 And what Israel's doing right now, look, look what Hamas did. 0.85

02:04:11.000 Trump did try to do that on his way out with the Palestinian prosperity plan that he had.

02:04:17.000 Okay, well he had four years and he didn't do any of it.

02:04:19.000 So all I'm saying is that, look, what Hamas did, what did it result in? 0.89

02:04:23.000 More Israeli violence toward them.

02:04:25.000 And what is this violence going to result in?

02:04:27.000 We all know what it will.

02:04:28.000 More violence on the other side.

02:04:30.000 At some point you have to try to break that cycle.

02:04:33.000 Well played.

02:04:35.000 Guys, we're coming to the end of our spirited debate.

02:04:38.000 Shake hands, guys.

02:04:39.000 I like Dave.

02:04:40.000 You know, Dave and I was on his show in 2019.

02:04:42.000 Can we just do that real quick?

02:04:45.000 That was a good episode.

02:04:46.000 I want to go to Israel with you.

02:04:47.000 I really do.

02:04:47.000 I think both of you guys have very valid points.

02:04:50.000 I learned a lot from you.

02:04:51.000 I learned a lot from you.

02:04:52.000 It's great to see that in America,

02:04:55.000 We can have debates and be disagreeable but also be friends at the end.

02:05:00.000 Shouldn't there be more of this too?

02:05:01.000 Isn't it insane you have these like kind of dueling protests on on college universities and it's like hey how about you like just sit down and like I thought you're a university yeah sit down and argue this have the debate.

02:05:11.000 Maybe Ben Shapiro could debate someone who's not 19.

02:05:13.000 Debate Scott Horton, Ben Shapiro.

02:05:15.000 Accept the challenge.

02:05:16.000 I'll give you guys the opportunity to kind of give your closing statements here.

02:05:19.000 State your case.

02:05:21.000 Laura, you went first.

02:05:22.000 So I'm going to let Dave go first this time.

02:05:24.000 We don't need any issues with that.

02:05:27.000 So Dave, you have your camera here.

02:05:30.000 Give a closing statement.

02:05:31.000 You've got about 60 seconds or so.

02:05:33.000 I won't count exactly.

02:05:35.000 But give really what you think that people should understand on both sides to basically try to get to some sort of element of peace at the end of the day.

02:05:44.000 Sure.

02:05:44.000 Well, thank you to you, Adam.

02:05:45.000 Thank you, Lauren.

02:05:46.000 Thank you to Zero Hedge, which has been just an incredible publication.

02:05:50.000 I'm really honored to be on the first of this debate series.

02:05:53.000 I think that's awesome.

02:05:54.000 They've been, you know, look, I'm an anti-government extremist or whatever.

02:05:58.000 I shouldn't say that publicly, but that's more or less what I am.

02:06:00.000 Libertarian!

02:06:01.000 Libertarian!

02:06:02.000 I believe in liberty, and I hate the enemies of liberty.

02:06:05.000 So, you know, this publication has been, like,

02:06:08.000 Kind of an oasis in a desert for a lot of people like us for many, many years.

02:06:12.000 So I really appreciate them having us.

02:06:14.000 Look, I'll just kind of reiterate what I think are the most important points that are made in this debate.

02:06:19.000 And I will say respectfully, I do not feel like I ever got a response to the main ones.

02:06:25.000 Which is that you can't get away from this.

02:06:27.000 If you're going to look at the Islamic world and say, we judge you by these standards, and what are the standards if we were going to judge them?

02:06:36.000 Well, the standards are what makes us better than them, which I will say I kind of do agree.

02:06:39.000 We are, generally.

02:06:40.000 But what makes us better is that we're children of the Enlightenment, that we are the best of Western civilization, that we respect

02:06:48.000 Individual liberty and property rights and peace over violence, right?

02:06:53.000 But if we're going to say that, then how can we also say that while defending the most horrific violent actions towards these people?

02:07:01.000 If we're going to blast radical Islam, how can we not at the same time criticize our own governments who have intentionally 1.00

02:07:10.000 It stated explicitly that this was the strategy to fund the most radical Islamist groups in the world over and over and over again.

02:07:19.000 Now maybe, and I'm quite open to this possibility, that even if we hadn't have done all of that, even if our governments, if Israel had never supported Hamas, and if we had never supported Wahhabism and Al Qaeda and ISIS and all of these other groups, perhaps still, Western civilization would be better. 0.82

02:07:39.000 I'd even guess probably it would be, more advanced still.

02:07:43.000 But knowing that we did that, how can we sit here and condemn their people without at least condemning our own government, who we have at least some degree of impact over, not that much, but at least some degree of influence, and not condemn them for supporting these very terrorist organizations, and at every single turn, you know why we supported them?

02:08:04.000 Because they were always the enemy of the secular nationalists.

02:08:08.000 In the Islamic world. 0.94

02:08:09.000 And we didn't want them to have their own power.

02:08:13.000 And so we supported the Islamic radicalists because we knew that they would undermine them. 0.96

02:08:18.000 And in many cases undermine the commies also was part of the goal.

02:08:21.000 But anyway, I don't know how you can look at the situation in Israel.

02:08:25.000 Take the complete pro-Israel position, the complete anti-Hamas position, and not say Benjamin Netanyahu's stated, explicitly stated strategy of supporting Hamas blew up in his face.

02:08:37.000 And man, can we not learn a lesson from that and never do it again.

02:08:41.000 Well said.

02:08:41.000 Laura, camera, your closing statements.

02:08:46.000 Where can we go from here?

02:08:47.000 What should people understand about your position?

02:08:49.000 Yeah, well, I want to thank Zero Hedge, of course.

02:08:52.000 It's an honor to be a part of the inaugural debate series.

02:08:56.000 It's been a pleasure, right?

02:08:58.000 Three yids, I say, hashing it out on this conflict. 1.00

02:09:03.000 But no, it's really great to be a part of the debate series for such a prestigious and impactful publication like Zero Hedge, which I read, and they're doing such a service to the world, especially in an age of censorship and propaganda.

02:09:15.000 I think that Zero Hedge is one of the leading publications when it comes to bringing people

02:09:19.000 Alternative media, independent media, and also news that is checking both the fourth estate, right, of our corrupt media establishment and also our corrupt governments.

02:09:30.000 And that goes for both political parties.

02:09:33.000 But what I will say is that there is a growing, disturbing trend of normalization and sympathizing behavior for Islamic jihadists, not just here in the United States of America, but also abroad, as we have seen.

02:09:47.000 And we need to call it out.

02:09:49.000 We need to be honest about the fact that this is an ideological war that has nothing to do with land disputes.

02:09:55.000 This has nothing to even do with how the United States government plans on responding to these attacks by these Hamas terrorists on these innocent civilians.

02:10:06.000 This is a reign of terror that has been ongoing.

02:10:09.000 It's an ideological reign of terror that has been carried out by Islam for 1400 years. 1.00

02:10:15.000 This has nothing to do with 9-11.

02:10:17.000 This has nothing to do with with really I guess you could say like any modern-day conflict.

02:10:24.000 The United States government is not is not I guess I would say the United States government as I as I said earlier

02:10:33.000 Is is not the reason why these countries are reacting the way they are and why these Islamists are carrying out attacks against innocent Jews and innocent Americans We need to if we're going to truly understand how our response needs to be to eradicating global Islamic terrorism worldwide We need to start encouraging our politicians and people in the media to have an honest and open conversation about Islam because you cannot 0.97

02:10:59.000 We're good to go.

02:11:18.000 I will say that I'm here to stand against all of the anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist propaganda that seeks to blame Israel and label them as an oppressor and to blame Israel as an apartheid state.

02:11:30.000 And I'm here to really just make a plea to the world, right?

02:11:35.000 To preserve the livelihood, to preserve the life of the Jewish people.

02:11:39.000 There are only 15 million Jews left on this planet.

02:11:42.000 Who, in my opinion, are facing an existential threat of eradication and a possible second Holocaust if we do not get this Jew hatred and normalization for Islamic terrorism under control. 0.98

02:11:54.000 And I know that I've been deemed an Islamophobe for saying things like that. 0.98

02:11:57.000 I know people think that I hate Muslims.

02:11:59.000 I do not hate Muslim people, but I am explicitly and

02:12:05.000 Wholeheartedly anti-Islam because I am a human rights activist and I oppose the barbarism and the subjugation of people simply because they will not submit convert you know to to the ideology of Islam and I want to also express my condolences to Just you know all the all the people around the world right now who are suffering in silence all of the Jewish students on universities that are scared to go to 0.98

02:12:30.000 To go to their classes on a daily basis because they're being threatened with being shot on their college campuses People that are being beaten up in the streets of America simply because they're Jewish We do have a Jew hatred problem in this country it has been normalized by the Democrat Party and as President Donald Trump has said the Democrat Party is the party of Israel haters and Jew haters and We we need to call it out.

02:12:52.000 We need to call it out, and I'm not going to stop calling it out

02:12:55.000 All right.

02:12:56.000 Laura Loomer, Dave Smith, thank you guys for being here.

02:13:00.000 I think we're all equally honored to be on the inaugural Zero Hedge First Debate ever.

02:13:06.000 And thank you, Zero Hedge, for having us.

02:13:09.000 But most importantly, thank you guys out there for tuning in.

02:13:11.000 We will see you guys on the next one.

02:13:14.000 Bye-bye.

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Loomer Unleashed - November 16, 2023

LIVE: Laura Loomer vs. Dave Smith Debate: The War Between Israel and HamasLIVE: Laura Loomer vs. Dave Smith Debate: The War Between Israel and Hamas

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