Jared S. Crowder opens up about his coming out story on Not Gay, and how his family and co-workers have embraced him for who he really is. Not Gay is a workplace comedy-drama series that premiered on Comedy Central in 2011.
00:08:10.000So, he's going to eat latkes after the show.
00:08:14.000Benjamin Netanyahu, what I did find funny was he was kind of laughing a little bit when Trump wasn't giving necessarily the most specific answers.
00:08:21.000Listen, I frankly am going to support whatever state solution that people are both happy with.
00:08:29.000And Netanyahu was like, but then he said, You know, Donald Trump has been one of the greatest supporters of Israel of any modern elected leader.
00:08:36.000And so leftists have lost their minds over that.
00:08:39.000And then, of course, I think David Duke literally shat himself.
00:08:43.000Because all the alt-right people who call us these anti-Semitic names, who thought he was going to do it.
00:08:49.000I mean, Donald Trump is probably the greatest friend to Israel of any modern president.
00:08:52.000Now, whether you agree with that or not, that's just reality.
00:15:52.000There hasn't been roadside testing until recently, right?
00:15:55.000So you don't know if someone has alcohol in their system or marijuana, one or both.
00:15:59.000We don't necessarily know that correlation equals causation.
00:16:03.000But if I did get defensive, it's because we wrote about something, which not only did we source independently at ladderwithcreditor.com, and you know, we try to be pretty meticulous about that.
00:16:12.000The thing that bothered me the most about it is that you're open to have a discussion.
00:16:37.000Well, we do promote that here, and so Joe is always welcome to come on here, or Jamie if he wants to come on here, and there will be no one else.
00:20:17.000And there were hundreds of people on Twitter.
00:20:19.000Who personally offered, I mean, there's so many, what, $10,000 here, $20,000 there, to personally send refugees to J.K. Rowling's house, one of her many, many mansions, to live there.
00:21:10.000You say that everyone else is vicious.
00:21:11.000You say that everyone else is unsympathetic.
00:21:13.000And then when people call you on it in a very tangible way, in a way that can actually be quantified, listen, you can bring in refugees yourself, completely ignored.
00:24:15.000Well, it just so happens we have a little interesting tidbit about Meryl Streep.
00:24:19.000As the name of their foundation, this is Meryl Streep's foundation, Silver Mountain Foundation of the Arts suggests, Streep and Gummer, I guess her associate, have a strong interest in arts and cultures.
00:24:28.000Recent money has gone to Butler Museum of America in Ohio.
00:24:32.000Streep also gave $1 million grant to Public Theater in New York in 2012.
00:24:37.000I'm trying to think of where this ends.
00:26:57.000It would be the easiest thing in the world for Meryl Streep to give millions upon millions of dollars.
00:27:01.000It would be the easiest thing in the world.
00:27:02.000As a matter of fact, it would be harder for Meryl Streep to give her time.
00:27:05.000It would be harder to give more of her time to take time off of making additional millions of dollars to help serve and give out blankets or a soup kitchen for refugees.
00:27:14.000That would probably be more difficult.
00:27:16.000It is the easiest thing in the world for Meryl Streep or J.K. Rowling, who's a billionaire, to just give as much money as they could possibly imagine at this refugee crisis.
00:29:57.000Because legal immigrants, as a demographic, are the people most opposed to illegal immigration and most supportive.
00:30:06.000Of enforcing our current immigration laws, if not building a wall and making Mexico pay for it.
00:30:10.000So to lump them all in together, again we talk, well let's not be racist, let's not be prejudiced, but they deliberately, proactively keep you in the dark by lumping all law-abiding immigrants who came here to learn the language and become a part of the great cultural experiment that is the United States of America with people who had a geographic advantage and a friend with an El Camino and AR-15.
00:31:05.000Come on back in through the revolving door, sign the guestbook, and you'll be welcome just like everybody else.
00:31:12.000And they try, and another thing, the whole thing is they're trying to sell us that we can't do this because we're absolutely reliant on open borders and illegal immigration.
00:31:19.000Because if we if we have a day without illegal immigrants, my gosh, it would be absolute utter chaos.
00:31:25.000For breaking news on Wilder with Crowder, I'm Perry Matheson.
00:31:39.000Today, February 16th marks a monumental moment in American history where, in a sign of solidarity, all illegal, excuse me, undocumented immigrants in the United States have refused to work, serve, or be of any measurable use to their fellow Americans.
00:31:56.000We have Jimmy, our on-the-ground reporter in Los Angeles.
00:32:00.000What are you seeing down there, Jimmy?
00:32:39.000Noise complaints from overly loud low-rider stereos have dropped to a negligible level.
00:32:44.000Univision stock has seen a 400% increase due to the increased viewership from workers staying home, Perry.
00:32:49.000And many Americans, out of consequence, have been forced to pick their own produce, which many surprisingly have claimed that they find enjoyable, Perry.
00:32:57.000A fascinating moment in human history.
00:32:59.000Now, Perry, I must caution, these results are not without negative ramifications.
00:33:03.000To all men on the ground, it is my journalistic duty to inform you that we've seen an alarming number of...
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00:36:19.000Now, I know a lot of people say this is kind of a publicity stunt, and I think we'd both acknowledge there's some component to that, but that doesn't mean that it's not raising awareness.
00:36:28.000Your reason for raising awareness, from what I read, was you said to fight against suppressive Hollywood, to stop the bullying and the hate.
00:36:36.000So I'm really interested, as someone who's mixed race, like yourself, or biracial, whatever term we're supposed to use, please don't call the NAACP. What do you mean by that, the suppressive Hollywood hate and bullying?
00:36:48.000You know, and my passion lies in standing up for people who are the underdog.
00:36:54.000All my life, I've been that person, and I've taught myself how to stand up.
00:37:01.000And instead of fighting back, like, I hate you, and instead of doing that, because you go down to people's level and the narrative just becomes like this, I've chosen to rise above and just show love.
00:37:14.000And that's always worked for me as a policy.
00:37:17.000And really, you know, you're going to be bullied no matter what you do.
00:37:46.000Well, you know, I mean, that's what the hate side will do.
00:37:50.000And it's not the way to go because you get nothing done.
00:37:55.000So my message was unity, peace, and compassion.
00:37:59.000And no matter what side you fall on the political spectrum, let's just have a normal conversation about it instead of the hate.
00:38:05.000Well, that's interesting that you say that because the left, the progressive left, leftism today, they sort of fancy themselves having the corner on compassion and being the anti-bullying.
00:38:16.000And something that you said, so well, first off, before I get to this other quote, have you noticed that as an irony?
00:38:22.000Have you always been maybe more right-leaning?
00:38:24.000Or was this kind of a lightning rod for you this last election to see who the bullies were?
00:40:07.000But the left has tried to make it as though every time a Christian or a conservative shows up in the entertainment industry, we're the serial killer.
00:40:14.000We're the bitchy cheerleader who's secretly a hypocrite.
00:40:16.000Especially for someone like you, who's pretty, right?
00:40:19.000Right away they hear it's like, Well, we're not body shaming her because she's pretty and she's successful, so we're not class shaming her.
00:40:24.000So we can throw anything that we want at her.
00:40:27.000And, you know, Uncle Thomas, what would it be for a black woman?
00:40:36.000You know, I mean, the backlash is so...
00:40:40.000So bully like it's such a bully narrative that it's like it really doesn't even make sense because you can't disagree with someone who's saying let's just get along.
00:40:50.000You know I'm not even saying you have to support our president.
00:40:52.000I'm saying it would be nice if you gave him a chance and maybe just Didn't spit in the face of your friends who do.
00:40:59.000You know, let's just have a conversation about it and let's take it down a notch and come back to unity because we are Americans, you know, no matter what.
00:41:08.000And unity is always the best, the best way.
00:41:45.000And I will tell you, people like us here, anytime you want to come on the show, you're more than welcome we have your back because I know what that risk is like.
00:41:52.000I mean, I was dropped as a manager who called me up.
00:43:02.000And, you know, for me, I say, you know, yeah, of course, nobody's perfect and they don't always say the best thing at the right time, but he's not a politician.
00:43:13.000I felt like for the first time there's someone in office who's going to be for the people and is elected by the people.
00:43:18.000And, you know, I, I feel like no matter what your political views are, hate speech saying you want to bomb the White House saying you want to kill supporters is just so wrong.
00:43:28.000It's so far removed from what we're doing here.
00:43:32.000Well, Lauren, not to correct you or be a jerk here, but I will say this is something that's important because I know your heart's in the right place.
00:43:37.000What you just described wasn't hate speech.
00:43:39.000And I say that because people will accuse you of hate speech for having an opinion.
00:43:42.000Those are calls to action and violence.
00:43:44.000For example, if you said something even really racist or you said something even really sexist, I would defend your right to say it, even if it were quote unquote hate speech.
00:43:54.000But the left does try to obfuscate that.
00:43:56.000And I think you'll wake up to this more the more you get involved in this, where they'll paint any opinion they disagree with as hate speech.
00:44:02.000And they'll often say, well, hate speech, you can't yell fire in a crowded room.
00:44:40.000Do you think that the entertainment industry, the left in Hollywood, do you think they're more upset about the fact that you and your designer have kind of smashed the stereotypes they like to perpetuate because their whole, you know, their move is divide and conquer?
00:44:54.000Do you think they're more upset about that or the fact that you actually voted Trump?
00:44:58.000I think it's sort of, you know, people who...
00:45:02.000I think it's the same bullying narrative we're talking about.
00:45:05.000It's this, you don't agree with what I see as the truth, so therefore you must be bad.
00:45:10.000This equals this, which makes no sense.
00:45:15.000I feel like it really is people who have not looked to the future or have looked at, okay, well, he is our president.
00:45:23.000Maybe I should look at what I'm going to do in the next four years.
00:45:26.000And I think they're just very stuck in, I think, the past.
00:45:29.000They're stuck in what their friends have told them to think or what they feel is what the media is saying and what's being preached at them.
00:45:36.000And they're not using their own eyes to say, well, you know what?
00:47:04.000I feel like you and people who have strong opinions are bringing back, you know, and it is Make America Great Again, because America is the place where, hey, listen, you can believe in this, you can believe in that, and I don't have to support your beliefs, but I support you as a human being.
00:48:27.000Some people in the entertainment industry, like your gay little Filipino buddy, adorable by the way, you could give him away as a gift.
00:48:34.000Do you think that more people in the entertainment industry are realizing that their positions are inherently anti-freedom at this point, anti-free speech, anti-freedom of dissenting opinion?
00:48:46.000They really are, in that sense, authoritarian culturally.
00:48:51.000I think people are really opening their eyes.
00:48:53.000I think there's going to be a cultural shift.
00:48:56.000I think that this is good, this dissension, because it's getting people to talk.
00:49:01.000I think before culture was in apathy, it was, oh, well, I can't even say my own beliefs because no one's going to listen anyways.
00:49:07.000Now at least it's, well, let me say something, even though I'm going to get hate.
00:49:10.000I think we're slowly starting to move in the right direction.
00:49:18.000I really hope that more people do that and the conversation changes and that we see in media other issues rather than the same issues that are always, you know, sort of hashtag and promoted as the only problems in the world.
00:51:28.000I mean, some friends have made public support and they said like, hey, listen, I don't believe in her political views, but I love her and I don't want my fans to bully her.
00:51:39.000Luckily for me, my circle is surrounded by love and compassion and understanding because I will not tolerate anything else.
00:51:46.000The outside remains to be seen if this will trickle out and support will happen.
00:51:52.000I just really hope it changes the narrative from hate to love and listening to each other.
00:51:57.000Well, if you ever need a change of pace, we'll send over Not Gay Jared and you can have a little circle of hate around him because he's a unifier in that sense.
00:55:20.000Yeah, and I think so too, and what I said to you before we started was that there's, what I always try to do with a podcast is try to have a conversation, like two friends, just hanging out, and that's what I tried to do at the beginning, and I felt like Yes.
00:55:47.000Then it got to the marijuana subject and things got a little heated.
00:55:51.000And, you know, I make the mistake of oftentimes communicating like I would with my friends in what I think is just a joking but aggressive way.
00:56:03.000And I didn't anticipate your reaction to it, and you got defensive.
00:56:07.000And one thing I didn't take into consideration that I wrote in the Instagram thing is that You get attacked a lot.
00:57:31.000Well, you know, I feel like people get stuck in these generalizations, and one of the things that I find myself, I'm in such a weird place, because you would probably say I'm more left than I am right, but I'm kind of neither.
00:57:48.000Honestly, I really think that's the case, because you see...
00:57:50.000Here's why, and this is a compliment, but the fact that you feel compelled to even care about...
00:57:57.000The constant attacks I get, tell me that you've recognized there's inherent bullying in the political system, and that's kind of coming from the left.
00:58:05.000I don't think you're a conservative at all, but I think you're a free speech and a free thinking advocate, which kind of eliminates you from today's regressive left.
00:58:13.000I mean, when I was a kid, my parents were hippies.
00:58:17.000And I grew up thinking that the left was all the people that were trying to stop this unjust war in Vietnam and, you know, they were trying to enable the civil rights movement to succeed and enable free speech and enable people to speak freely.
00:58:33.000We're in some weird down is up and up is downtime.
00:58:37.000And for people like myself who do have a lot of left-wing ideas, who do support gay marriage, who do support so many what you would consider left ideas, you find yourself in this strange place where you're so, I'm so opposed.
00:58:53.000To so much of these attacks on free speech and so much of the—I mean, I don't even want to call it bullying because it's more of a mob mentality thing.
00:59:02.000Like the Berkeley thing with Milo was scary.
00:59:05.000And this mischaracterization of his positions on things is scary.
00:59:11.000They're making it out like he's this evil hate monger who wants genocide.
00:59:16.000And this is all just to justify some of the crazy things that they're doing.
00:59:20.000Smashing Starbucks windows, lighting cop cars on fire.
00:59:23.000You know, all this chaos that you're seeing that's being perpetrated by the left.
00:59:27.000Someone like myself I cannot identify with that.
00:59:51.000It's pretty clear as to where you're welcome, and it's just not on today's...
00:59:55.000And I know you're going to have people going, oh, the left-right paradigm.
00:59:58.000Well, it matters when there's one side of the political spectrum where it's an active part of their platform to not believe in freedom of speech.
01:00:04.000I mean, I come from Canada, where that's what happens when the Liberal Party gets into power.
01:00:08.000Freedom of speech, there are actual laws put into place that are eliminated.
01:00:11.000So for me, it's not everything has to be a right or left issue.
01:00:14.000You know, marijuana, for example, like I was talking about, I don't think that's a right or left.
01:00:17.000I don't think the federal government should be involved.
01:00:19.000I think states should be able to do whatever they want, disregarding the other stuff we were talking about.
01:00:22.000That's no longer a right or left issue.
01:00:24.000But the issue of freedom of speech, the issue of being open to a form of ideas, of personal decisions, that is excluded from the democratic platform today as policy.
01:00:38.000Yeah, well, there's a tremendous amount of dishonesty and a tremendous amount of dishonesty that's being used to justify all this insane behavior.
01:00:48.000These, you know, so-called protests that you know and I know are nothing more than mobs.
01:00:52.000I mean, we're seeing, like, the Milo protests in particular.
01:00:55.000When they have a person that they can single out, like the author of the University of Toronto that we discussed yesterday.
01:01:05.000They're going to go crazy and scream and yell.
01:01:06.000Instead of having a dialogue, instead of having a debate, and sitting down with someone who you may or may not disagree with, and who knows, man, maybe the person's rational, maybe you can come to an understanding, or maybe you can try to figure out why that person thinks that particular way.
01:01:20.000Instead of that, it's no debate, no talk, violence is justified, smash windows, punch Nazis.
01:01:26.000I mean, this meme that you keep seeing, punch Nazis.
01:01:30.000It's so bizarre, which is such a strange time.
01:01:33.000Well, and I think a big reason, too, well, like you said, you kind of see I've been attacked a lot.
01:01:37.000I think when it started online with YouTube, there was sort of the new atheism movement and the liberalism movement were one and the same.
01:01:44.000So Young Turks were always buddies with the people who were sort of these new atheists.
01:01:47.000And they had a lot of dumb Christians on YouTube going out, you know.
01:02:23.000I mean, now guys like Sam Harris, who is clearly a left guy, clearly a progressive, is being labeled as, you know, quote-unquote new atheist, which in some way means you're an Islamophobe and a hate monger and a war supporter.
01:02:46.000It never got off the ground because it started off Where they were trying to figure out what the definition of truth was, and it became this very bizarre intellectual argument between Darwinian truth and real truth, and never got anywhere.
01:03:01.000I wanted to hear them talk about religion, because Jordan is a religious guy, and I found it pretty surprising when I had him on my show.
01:03:09.000We didn't really get into it until the last 15-20 minutes of the podcast.
01:03:15.000He's going to come out again, and I'm going to talk to him about it some more.
01:03:17.000But he comes at it from a very, very interesting place, in that he feels like those, like sort of a Joseph Campbell position, or really Carl Jung, like even before Campbell, where he thinks that these ideas that are espoused by religion are, like, inherently a part of the human condition.
01:03:37.000Why were you surprised, do you think, to find that Jordan Peterson was a Christian?
01:03:41.000Because a great many scholars and intellectuals are not, especially when they're opposing, you know, when they're the type of people that are opposing the things that he's opposing.
01:03:53.000Like he's opposing ideologues, he's opposing people that have This radical idea of change to the point where they're going to come up with 78 different gender pronouns they want to enforce by law.
01:04:05.000You don't see that that much in universities.
01:04:08.000You don't see it that much in professors.
01:04:11.000I would say you don't see that much in universities or professors because they are the ones pushing the 72 genders.
01:04:17.000So I would argue that at that point, honestly, secularism, certainly progressivism has become more dogmatic than the faith of someone like a Jordan Peterson or myself.
01:04:27.000For example, I don't need to say, I'm a Christian, therefore, exactly this.
01:04:31.000You know, the Bible is not a science book, right?
01:04:33.000And Jordan Peterson will talk about that.
01:04:34.000But it is a moral code of conduct that advises you on how to interact with the physical world.
01:04:40.000I think that's less dogmatic, allowing room for science as opposed to someone saying, no, no, no, no, it's hate speech if you don't accept 72 genders.
01:04:48.000It's hate speech if you don't agree, you know, like that middle school teacher we were talking about.
01:04:51.000And I think your reaction to being surprised is a lot of people.
01:04:57.000That's because a lot of Christians like myself or Jordan Peterson haven't really had the opportunity to express their own views at the table.
01:05:03.000It's been expressed for me by someone like the Young Turks or for someone like Jordan Peterson by, you know, insert liberal website here for the longest time until now we're straight with the microphone.
01:05:15.000Yeah, I think as soon as you start talking about a deity, people automatically lump you in with the Moonies and any other fringe group that they can attach you to.
01:05:24.000What's interesting is you can say you're a Buddhist.
01:05:27.000And people go, ah, not only do no one, but you also, like, you get kind of like progressive street cred.
01:05:45.000It's weird what is accepted and what's not accepted in this world in terms of the guidelines that you live your life by.
01:05:52.000As soon as you believe in some sort of a higher power, and I have a lot of friends that have this non-defined higher power, like my good friend Duncan Trussell, who is a big proponent of psychedelic drugs and meditation, and he's a deist.
01:06:06.000He believes that there is some higher power, and he's He's pretty open about it.
01:06:10.000But, you know, he's gotten there through psychedelic experiences and meditation and just contemplating the greater nature of the universe, which is a weird, weird sort of an angle to go around it.
01:06:21.000But in a lot of progressive circles, that's more accepted than someone who looks at the positive teachings of someone like Christ and adopts those as guidelines to live your life.
01:06:33.000I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I think the reason for that is a good example you brought up, Buddhism.
01:06:38.000It's because it's sort of situational ethics, right?
01:07:35.000That's why if you draw a picture of Christ, you don't have to deal with the FBI counterterrorism unit as I do for Bob Ross drawing Muhammad.
01:07:48.000I would need to pull it up and remember.
01:07:49.000It's a recent piece that he did within the last six months or so, but it was about Islam being the only religion that didn't go through the Enlightenment.
01:07:59.000And it's really fascinating in terms of the history of religions.
01:08:04.000You go back in history and look at Christianity during the Inquisition, and you see some horrific acts that were attributed to Christians.
01:08:15.000But The reality is those acts don't reflect any of the teachings of Christ.
01:08:21.000So it's real weird, like, what we decide is okay and what we decide is not okay and where it fits in history.
01:08:28.000Well, and I make this argument, not if we don't want to continue in religion, we don't have to.
01:08:32.000I make the argument where you have to go to the founders of the feast, Christ and Muhammad.
01:08:36.000And the Acts of the Inquisitions, first off, people look back.
01:08:38.000They were largely political, you know?
01:08:40.000There were more Christians obviously killed than anyone else.
01:08:42.000This was a political battle fought over sort of sects of a religion.
01:08:45.000And there's no way to actually reconcile that with teachings of Christ versus Muhammad, who did decapitate people, who did beat the shit out of his wife, who did call for the deaths of Christians and Jews.
01:08:56.000My point is, you know, if you're, you know, like if you're aiming, you're a hunter, right?
01:08:59.000If you're 400 yards out, just a little bit off mark, right, you can be dozens of yards off mark the further out you get.
01:09:07.000So if you're starting just a little Well, and also, let's just be frank, if you're living in 2017 and you think that if you draw a cartoon of somebody, That you should be put to death.
01:10:49.000Well, okay, so we don't have a ton of time.
01:10:51.000Looking back kind of on yesterday, because if you look at kind of obviously the backlash, I think for both of us involved, what do you think, and I'll say, what do you think we should have done differently to be more productive, I guess?
01:11:01.000We definitely shouldn't have gotten drunk.
01:13:39.000And he brought up also that that could also be attributed to the fact that the population of Denver, Colorado, increased substantially once marijuana became legal as well.
01:14:23.000It's five times more psychoactive than THC, which is why I'm sure you've heard that famous 911 call where the cops stole some pot from some kids and made brownies out of it and then called 911 on themselves.
01:14:59.000And another thing that we kind of glossed over, but it is a very important point, I think we both agree that you shouldn't do anything that's mind-altering when your brain is developing.
01:15:09.000Whether it's things that you and I probably both did, like I drank when I was like 14 to 15 a bunch of times.
01:15:53.000And I do feel – because a lot of times if you present anything, right, if you look at a lot of your audience, they'll say that's anti-pot propaganda – Well, there are actually a lot more studies coming out with millennials saying it's completely harmless or light up than me saying, hey, listen, if you're an adult, you're healthy, it's probably fine.
01:16:09.000But because over half my audience will be in that developing phase, and I think you have a pretty young audience, I do feel the need to curb it and say, listen, but you really shouldn't.
01:16:19.000It's not like having a beer if you're 19 years old.
01:16:23.000It can be pretty problematic for you as a young person.
01:16:27.000And that's just where I feel like I need to be intellectually honest.
01:16:29.000Yeah, I think you'd have to wonder what the dosage actually is between like a small puff of pot or a beer, like which one has more of a detrimental effect, particularly for someone who doesn't drink.
01:16:39.000A beer can really get you pretty drunk if you're a young kid.
01:16:43.000But not the permanent effect on the frontal lobe as it's developing.
01:16:51.000And we did have a psychiatrist who said, listen, your body can process a certain amount of alcohol.
01:16:54.000Again, just like she said, do not, do not drink when you're young.
01:16:57.000She said, however, your brain actually is at an accelerated rate, that frontal lobe, which is really in control of your self-awareness, right?
01:17:03.000Your awareness of self, which, you know, that's why a lot of people take psychedelic mushrooms to become hyperly aware of themselves.
01:17:09.000She said for the developing brain, which is comprised largely of fat, marijuana specifically can affect that frontal lobe, which can fundamentally alter your ability to make self-aware judgments.
01:17:21.000And she said that's why she lectures across the country.
01:17:24.000And she's like, listen, she's a libertarian.
01:20:17.000It's like, have you ever gone to, I'm sure you have, you go to a fighter's page after a UFC bout and you read all the talk that people say to them?
01:20:44.000I mean, fans like after like Ronda Rousey recently lost, I went and checked like some of her, like the online things, the things that people were saying about her.
01:20:54.000People love – they love jumping in on something that really doesn't – they're not really connected to it, but they connect themselves to it.
01:21:01.000They love conflict where essentially nothing is at stake for them, but they can really get whatever rocks off they have.
01:21:08.000Well, they jumped on you when Ronda Rousey lost.
01:21:10.000Some people are like – some people tweet me like, hey, why don't you talk to your friend Rogan about him saying she's the best ever?
01:21:43.000Think about when people say, oh, we're never going to have the ratings of when it used to be three networks, like ABC, NBC, CBS. You're getting close.
01:21:53.000I'm sure if you looked at like Serial and some of the really big podcasts, NPR and some of the other ones that are always number one, I'm sure they're probably at network sitcom hit levels.
01:23:42.000It's just a bunch of people being nice for the most part.
01:23:46.00099.99% of it is a bunch of people being nice.
01:23:48.000- You know, occasionally there's people that have, they have the wrong idea of you because they've never actually met you in person.
01:23:56.000You could formulate an idea on a person based on a quote that you read or a video clip that you saw and you could decide they're a piece of shit and run it over in your head until you've defined that person.
01:24:06.000But when you meet them and they're nice, you know, like, hey, man, how you doing?
01:24:20.000I've had it go both ways, believe it or not.
01:24:23.000Yeah, but it makes me paranoid a little bit, because even if someone is really nice...
01:24:27.000You know, you should be because of the, you know, Islamic factor, you know, and you should be because of also, really, because of the feminist factor and the left-wing factor.
01:24:34.000I mean, a lot of the stuff that you've done, I've seen people write some really hateful shit about you.
01:26:31.000Well, people should know what a nice guy you are, that you were actually saying last night that you kind of feel bad that he gets those remarks about bacon grease, about eating bacon grease.
01:28:06.000So there was a trend going on at one point where it was like body shaming and stuff, and it was on Twitter.
01:28:11.000And so I actually tweeted out, because it was all about female body shaming, and I tweeted out that famous image of Fedor, you know, with him and the kettlebells, you know, with the mirror.
01:28:18.000And I tweeted out, this is what the ideal male body is.
01:28:22.000You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
01:28:25.000And it was satire of some other tweet.
01:29:20.000You know, represented like a regular, I mean, obviously a fit guy, obviously an athletic guy, but very regular looking as opposed to someone like, you know, like Czech Congo, who's like shredded and jacked.
01:29:33.000Which, by the way, I love how when Chet Kongo and Mirko Krokop got into arguments, they both tacitly admitted that they did steroids.
01:29:38.000Where he was like, he said, I think Krokop takes steroids.
01:29:41.000And Krokop's answer was like, and he just got that way from eating vegetables?
01:30:10.000The idea behind it is as you get older, you know, I'm 49, your body just doesn't produce hormones at the same level it did when you were younger.
01:30:17.000And as long as you do it, if you do it correctly, meaning you don't take too much, you make sure you take small amounts that bring you to the levels of a healthy man, like say like a 27-year-old healthy person.
01:30:52.000It's one of those things where people are ashamed to admit that they take synthetic hormones or...
01:30:59.000You know, and most fighters actually have a really balanced view on that.
01:31:02.000You know, Tim Kennedy, who's the most outspoken against PED, said he's like, but listen, if you're not fighting, you're older.
01:31:06.000He's like, I think it's a good thing to use modern chemical enhancements to keep you younger, just not when you're in the cage punching people in the face.
01:31:13.000And that would be another position where it's like, oh, there's nuance.
01:31:53.000When I go hunting, you have to be in really good shape to hunt mountains.
01:31:57.000All these things require a body that really works well, and one of the ways that I mitigate those issues is through strength and conditioning workouts and through testosterone replacement therapy.
01:32:07.000As well as nutrition and all the other things.
01:32:10.000I'm a big believer in maximizing every single possible area of your body and your mind that you can.
01:32:16.000You're like Dolph Lundgren and Rocky IV, hooked up to a bunch of electro-transmitters.
01:32:30.000Did it take a long time for them to figure it out?
01:32:31.000Because for me, since I wasn't really overweight, they were like, we weren't going to check for it because you're relatively fit, and it was like a diabetic 300-pound woman.
01:32:40.000Yeah, I was getting headaches, and they couldn't figure out why I was getting these headaches, but at the end of the night, I would just be so tired.
01:32:47.000At the end of the day, I'd be so tired.
01:32:49.000It was like I was drugged, like I was in pain, and no one could figure it out, and I finally went to a doctor, and it turns out my mom has it, and my sister has it.
01:33:02.000Apparently, there's some ways to mitigate those issues with diet that I really should look into, but I know the people through There's a diet called Primal Blueprint Diet.
01:33:18.000It's basically a modified ketogenic diet, but by concentrating on healthy fats, which also are the building blocks for a lot of hormones.
01:33:30.000Once I got on the diet, I actually lowered the amount of testosterone I take because my testosterone jacked way up from eating more healthy fats, which is the substrate for testosterone and hormones.
01:33:41.000Well, not gay Jared has to be careful because he has no colon.
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01:37:53.000Before we go, tomorrow, so next week we will be back, Lotto with Crowder, every day, Monday through Thursday, then Friday will be Morning Grinders.
01:37:59.000So tomorrow on Morning Grinders, you guys have been reading about this on Twitter, we will have the much-anticipated arm-wrestling match between Not Gay Jared and...
01:38:06.000So you'll see that tomorrow on Morning Grinders.
01:39:14.000But I really do feel grateful, honestly, to be able to have a discussion with someone like Joe Rogan, who has the reach far, far beyond most mainstream networks now, to be able to have a disagreement, to be able to get in a really heated disagreement and to still be friends and to be in a position politically where that's OK.
01:39:34.000This is one thing that we need to keep alive on the right or libertarians, conservatives, whatever you want to consider yourself.
01:39:39.000We need to keep alive the idea that we can have a discussion.
01:39:43.000And I don't necessarily even mean civil.
01:39:44.000You can have sometimes uncivil discussion, very heated discourse, but still be friends with people, still be able to come to the table after it and say, hey, you know what?