Louder with Crowder - #123 WEED FIGHT! Joe Rogan and Joy Villa

00:00:00.000 He said to stop being not gay or leave.

00:00:04.000 And for me to stop being not gay wasn't something I could do.

00:00:08.000 It would be like asking me to stop being 145 pounds, fully clothed.

00:00:16.000 So I left.

00:00:21.000 I was who I was.

00:00:23.000 On the inside, I've always known I was not gay.

00:00:28.000 But I couldn't tell anybody that.

00:00:30.000 Not even myself.

00:00:32.000 So I just denied it.

00:00:35.000 When did I first discover that I was not gay?

00:00:40.000 Well, when I first came to grips with it was almost 20 years ago now.

00:00:45.000 I can remember, I can recall the exact moment.

00:00:50.000 Nope!

00:00:51.000 I never truly fit in, you know?

00:00:55.000 I couldn't tell anybody.

00:00:56.000 My parents, my brothers, my sister.

00:00:59.000 It was my deep, dark secret.

00:01:03.000 How could I tell them that their son, that their brother, was not gay?

00:01:10.000 I paid a heavy price for coming out.

00:01:14.000 Letting the world know was probably the hardest thing I've ever done.

00:01:19.000 But today, here at Loudmouth Crowder, I mean, this has become my family, you know?

00:01:24.000 And it's just great.

00:01:25.000 They just loved me and just welcomed me and accepted me for exactly who I am, who I say I am.

00:01:33.000 And, you know, they're my family now.

00:01:35.000 They're always there for me.

00:01:37.000 What do I think of Stephen?

00:01:40.000 One of my closest friends, you know?

00:01:42.000 And obviously, he's my coworker, my boss.

00:01:48.000 It's like a brother to me.

00:01:50.000 Not gay Jared?

00:01:51.000 Yeah, he's a pretty good employee.

00:01:54.000 We had some issues when he started out, like you would with any young worker, some work ethic problems.

00:01:59.000 He was a little uncomfortable with the is he, is he not deal.

00:02:02.000 And when he came out as not gay, I naturally had to fire him just because we won't tolerate liars in the company.

00:02:09.000 But then he had the whole legal issue, and you guys have seen with the show since the You know, I probably shouldn't have said that.

00:02:19.000 Let's just cut that from the show.

00:02:21.000 I don't want him seeing this.

00:02:23.000 I need you to cut it from the show.

00:02:24.000 Just finish it in the first part.

00:02:26.000 Let people draw their own conclusions, okay?

00:02:28.000 The whole Crowder family has just welcomed me and embraced me, and it's just been amazing.

00:02:36.000 When I first met Not Gay Jared, he was trying really hard to convince me that he was not gay.

00:02:43.000 And it was, it took me a while before I sort of took it at face value.

00:02:49.000 He just, he did things.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:54.000 Like going to a salon and never actually coming out with a haircut.

00:02:59.000 The Palm Springs stories.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, he kept talking about Palm Springs and he always brought couscous for lunch.

00:03:07.000 Always, every time.

00:03:07.000 And it was really uncomfortable to watch him eat hot dogs.

00:03:12.000 Gosh, Courtney.

00:03:13.000 You know, she's like a sister to me.

00:03:15.000 We've become very close, and she's just embraced me, you know?

00:03:20.000 And there's not much we wouldn't do for each other, I think.

00:03:24.000 You know, we don't really talk about that stuff.

00:03:27.000 We kind of keep things pretty professional, so I don't know.

00:03:31.000 The whole company has just taken off.

00:03:33.000 It's been amazing, and I'm not even the lowest on the totem pole anymore, you know?

00:03:38.000 Edward and Aaron, they're great.

00:03:40.000 You know, it's fun being their boss.

00:03:44.000 Who, Jared?

00:03:45.000 Oh, he's great.

00:03:46.000 He's the best.

00:03:48.000 Not gay at all.

00:03:50.000 Scott, our executive producer, I mean, what can you say?

00:03:54.000 This guy's been like a dad to me, really.

00:03:57.000 You know, I just got here.

00:04:00.000 The whole not gay thing, I just...

00:04:02.000 Is Aaron his partner?

00:04:05.000 I see them carpooling all the time.

00:04:07.000 Aaron, the intern?

00:04:09.000 Oh, God, no.

00:04:11.000 I mean, I hope not.

00:04:13.000 That's his brother.

00:04:16.000 At the end of the day, it's about family.

00:04:20.000 It's about your true family.

00:04:21.000 You don't have to share the same last name.

00:04:24.000 You don't have to even look anything alike.

00:04:26.000 It's not what it's about.

00:04:27.000 It's about relationships.

00:04:28.000 It's about honesty.

00:04:30.000 I found my family.

00:04:31.000 My family's here.

00:04:32.000 A lot of Earth Crowder.

00:04:34.000 *BEEP* *BEEP* That's funny!

00:04:53.000 Damn!

00:04:54.000 You're a strange animal, that's what I know.

00:05:02.000 No.

00:05:03.000 You're going to change anymore.

00:05:08.000 I've got to follow.

00:05:10.000 Come on.

00:05:12.000 This is me.

00:05:13.000 It is me.

00:05:14.000 Oh.

00:05:30.000 All right, glad to be with you.

00:05:31.000 You know that sound.

00:05:32.000 That is the sound of the weekend because we didn't do Daily this week.

00:05:36.000 Oh, no!

00:05:36.000 Shut up.

00:05:37.000 I didn't introduce you.

00:05:39.000 Producing with me in video studio, as always, is Jared, who is not gay.

00:05:42.000 Follow him on Twitter at NotGayJarred.

00:05:44.000 Me at S. Crowder.

00:05:45.000 I fulfill my legal obligations.

00:05:46.000 Draw your own conclusions.

00:05:46.000 We good?

00:05:47.000 That's me!

00:05:47.000 I don't care.

00:05:48.000 And in studio, of course, is at G. Morgan Jr.

00:05:52.000 Thank you for pinch hitting.

00:05:53.000 Yes, absolutely, sir.

00:05:54.000 Glad to be here.

00:05:55.000 Appreciate you being here.

00:05:56.000 Hey, I'm not as winded as I am.

00:05:57.000 There you go.

00:05:58.000 A little winded.

00:05:58.000 You've been doing cardio?

00:05:59.000 No.

00:06:00.000 I haven't been doing any cardio.

00:06:02.000 I got nothing then.

00:06:02.000 That's it.

00:06:03.000 There is no cardio.

00:06:04.000 It's been real.

00:06:05.000 I'll talk to you guys later.

00:06:05.000 That's because I don't have a heart.

00:06:07.000 So, great guests.

00:06:09.000 Huge guests on tonight.

00:06:10.000 We have Joy Villa, who is, of course, now notorious from her dress at the Grammys.

00:06:14.000 And we have Joe Rogan.

00:06:15.000 I was in Los Angeles.

00:06:16.000 I did Joe Rogan's show yesterday.

00:06:17.000 It was the longest Joe Rogan podcast in history.

00:06:20.000 It was a marathon.

00:06:20.000 I know.

00:06:21.000 It was five hours.

00:06:22.000 It went a little bit off the rails.

00:06:25.000 We went on.

00:06:25.000 We talked about it.

00:06:27.000 We talked about pot, which you don't typically want to do with Joe Rogan.

00:06:31.000 He may have been high.

00:06:32.000 I mean, it's possible.

00:06:33.000 Both him and his producer were just blitzed out of their mind.

00:06:36.000 And I love Joe.

00:06:37.000 He's so nice.

00:06:37.000 He's had him on the show.

00:06:38.000 He's been very generous.

00:06:39.000 He's been very supportive.

00:06:40.000 But we want to talk about that a little bit more.

00:06:42.000 We'll talk about it with him because a lot of people online think that there's more animosity than there actually is.

00:06:48.000 And I also want to talk about some points that I think were missed.

00:06:51.000 And, of course, Joy Villa.

00:06:52.000 We'll talk with her.

00:06:53.000 A couple of things that happened this week.

00:06:54.000 A lot happened.

00:06:54.000 Flynn is gone.

00:06:56.000 Resigned.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:57.000 Gone.

00:06:57.000 Good.

00:06:58.000 And?

00:06:59.000 That kind of seems like it's one of those things where, again, people get furious.

00:07:02.000 I can already see the downvotes.

00:07:04.000 He screwed up.

00:07:06.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 Don't screw it up, boy.

00:07:07.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:07:08.000 Flynn was dishonest.

00:07:10.000 He kind of hung Mike Pence out to dry by not informing him.

00:07:13.000 So that's a problem, right?

00:07:15.000 That's not really honest for Flynn to do, General Flynn.

00:07:20.000 But then the media goes, and we know that he was leaking info to the Russians.

00:07:25.000 Turns out that's not the case.

00:07:27.000 He had communication with the Russians, and sanctions were possibly discussed.

00:07:32.000 That's the issue.

00:07:33.000 The issue is that he didn't tell Vice President Pence.

00:07:36.000 That's enough.

00:07:37.000 So the left is given a gift, and they fumble.

00:07:40.000 Yes.

00:07:41.000 Surprise!

00:07:43.000 Andrew Puzder, Puzder, well, we don't need to talk about that.

00:07:45.000 Trump and Netanyahu had a meeting, which I really, I thoroughly enjoyed this.

00:07:50.000 If you didn't watch, did you watch the presser?

00:07:52.000 I watched a little bit of it, yes.

00:07:54.000 Bibi Netanyahu is really, he's the definition of a commanding speaker.

00:07:57.000 He is.

00:07:58.000 He's the real deal.

00:07:59.000 He's kind of just like...

00:08:00.000 Hey, Hopper, stop squeaking your toy.

00:08:02.000 Yeah, Hopper in the presser.

00:08:03.000 Can people see him?

00:08:03.000 Holy crap.

00:08:04.000 He loves Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:08:05.000 You Zionist shill.

00:08:07.000 That's right.

00:08:10.000 So, he's going to eat latkes after the show.

00:08:14.000 Benjamin Netanyahu, what I did find funny was he was kind of laughing a little bit when Trump wasn't giving necessarily the most specific answers.

00:08:21.000 Listen, I frankly am going to support whatever state solution that people are both happy with.

00:08:28.000 Probably the best one.

00:08:29.000 And Netanyahu was like, but then he said, You know, Donald Trump has been one of the greatest supporters of Israel of any modern elected leader.

00:08:36.000 And so leftists have lost their minds over that.

00:08:39.000 And then, of course, I think David Duke literally shat himself.

00:08:43.000 Because all the alt-right people who call us these anti-Semitic names, who thought he was going to do it.

00:08:49.000 I mean, Donald Trump is probably the greatest friend to Israel of any modern president.

00:08:52.000 Now, whether you agree with that or not, that's just reality.

00:08:54.000 That's the case.

00:08:55.000 Donald Trump seems to be really friendly with Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:08:58.000 And they've spent a lot of time together.

00:09:01.000 So, let's move on here.

00:09:03.000 Something else we have to get to.

00:09:04.000 The Oroville Dam.

00:09:05.000 That's a damn shame.

00:09:07.000 Did you guys...

00:09:08.000 Stop it with the dad jokes.

00:09:09.000 Do you know what happened here?

00:09:11.000 Knock it, Jared?

00:09:12.000 Yeah, it was about to burst.

00:09:14.000 They evacuated like 200-something thousand people.

00:09:16.000 Right.

00:09:16.000 They patched it up.

00:09:17.000 All good.

00:09:19.000 But...

00:09:19.000 Guess whose fault it is?

00:09:20.000 Guess whose fault it is?

00:09:21.000 Can we bring that up?

00:09:22.000 Guess whose fault it is?

00:09:23.000 Ugh.

00:09:23.000 If Trump wants to make America great again, he can start by fixing the Oroville Dam.

00:09:27.000 Here's the thing, California.

00:09:29.000 You can start by actually allowing your people to build more dams.

00:09:34.000 Tom Selleck can't grow avocados, people!

00:09:37.000 That's what happens in California.

00:09:38.000 We want alternative energy.

00:09:40.000 All right, solar panels.

00:09:41.000 You can't put that there because they're an endangered species of turtle.

00:09:43.000 All right, we have a drought.

00:09:44.000 All right, well, let's build a dam.

00:09:45.000 You can't build a dam because it's not environmentally friendly.

00:09:48.000 People cannot build.

00:09:49.000 California cannot help themselves.

00:09:51.000 I had a cab driver when I was out in Los Angeles saying, you know, California should just separate.

00:09:56.000 We should separate ourselves.

00:09:57.000 I would love that.

00:09:58.000 Please.

00:09:59.000 Please do.

00:10:00.000 I'll vote on that.

00:10:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:02.000 Separate and don't build any more dams and don't allow yourselves to use your resources or put up solar panels.

00:10:08.000 Texas will literally create a state militia that will take over California by this afternoon.

00:10:13.000 We could do it already.

00:10:14.000 What are you talking about?

00:10:15.000 It wouldn't even come close.

00:10:16.000 California, we're going to fight back.

00:10:18.000 Oh, oh, I have the bullet button.

00:10:20.000 I can't get the magazine out.

00:10:23.000 It's a 39 caliber magazine.

00:10:25.000 It's a 39 caliber magazine.

00:10:27.000 It's a 39 clip.

00:10:29.000 So, for those who don't know the bullet button, that's a hilarious joke.

00:10:32.000 You don't appreciate it.

00:10:34.000 Joy Villa, she's our guest.

00:10:35.000 She's going to be coming up.

00:10:36.000 So, people who don't know Joy Villa, she's a musical artist.

00:10:38.000 Music isn't necessarily in our wheelhouse, but she showed up to the Grammys in this dress, and this was national news.

00:10:46.000 The Make America Great Again dress is what she had.

00:10:49.000 Yes.

00:10:50.000 We don't have any more full body shot there of the dress, do we?

00:10:53.000 No, we do not.

00:10:54.000 No, we do not.

00:10:54.000 Okay.

00:10:55.000 So everyone, of course, said this was racist.

00:10:58.000 They can't believe she would support intolerance, even though she's biracial.

00:11:03.000 They don't have cards for that.

00:11:05.000 They don't have a few cards for it.

00:11:06.000 How do we deal with this one?

00:11:07.000 What do we do?

00:11:08.000 What do we do here?

00:11:10.000 Well, can we call her an Uncle Tom?

00:11:13.000 I noticed her hair is curly.

00:11:16.000 But her skin's milky smooth.

00:11:19.000 She's pretty.

00:11:19.000 Can we just call her a bitch?

00:11:21.000 That's okay if they're pretty, right?

00:11:22.000 We can't do it if they're fat, but if they're pretty, it's open season.

00:11:26.000 Yes.

00:11:26.000 This is the general rule.

00:11:27.000 If a woman is pretty, you can insult her as much as you want.

00:11:30.000 If she's self-conscious, you have to make love to her and tell her that she's beautiful.

00:11:34.000 It's unfortunately the cross to bear for the rest of us men.

00:11:38.000 So, here was the big thing.

00:11:39.000 Of course, the reaction, which everyone has talked about.

00:11:41.000 The reaction they thought was, she was intolerant.

00:11:43.000 I can't believe she wore this.

00:11:44.000 But here's the thing.

00:11:46.000 The person who designed her dress...

00:11:49.000 Not to be confused with the lady from The Incredibles, but pretty much is, was a gay Filipino man.

00:11:56.000 So a gay Filipino man designed a Make America Great Again dress for a multiracial black American.

00:12:05.000 You know they're hoping there's a KK member somewhere.

00:12:09.000 Now I'm not saying you didn't do a good job.

00:12:11.000 Say it.

00:12:13.000 They're editing her.

00:12:14.000 So it's like, so what are you wearing?

00:12:15.000 Who are you wearing tonight?

00:12:16.000 I'm wearing David Duke.

00:12:18.000 And they're like, It's the spring collection.

00:12:22.000 It's the spring collection.

00:12:23.000 It's mostly white.

00:12:24.000 It's pretty much just all white.

00:12:25.000 The point is, they have a certain preset sort of list of arguments they can use.

00:12:31.000 And the reason this became much more of a national story is because they weren't applicable.

00:12:35.000 You couldn't do it with someone like this.

00:12:37.000 And we wrote about it initially, the outrage, and then we covered it at ladderwithcredit.com, I think, before a lot of people did.

00:12:43.000 That it was a gay Filipino man.

00:12:45.000 And that thing just went viral because people...

00:12:48.000 That was a curveball.

00:12:50.000 Curveball.

00:12:50.000 That would be like an M. Night Shyamalan script.

00:12:53.000 And...

00:12:53.000 Gay Filipino man who's also an alien.

00:12:56.000 And dead.

00:12:58.000 He was dead all along!

00:13:00.000 Did you see how leftist sites handled this?

00:13:02.000 It was so triggering that leftist sites, they had to be very careful in how they handled it.

00:13:07.000 This was actually, if you see Vox, Vox felt the need to protect their viewers.

00:13:12.000 I appreciate that, actually.

00:13:13.000 I can, you know, it almost seems overkill, I would say, looking at it.

00:13:19.000 But I can understand.

00:13:19.000 I like where your heart is, Vox.

00:13:21.000 I think we have another one.

00:13:21.000 Huffington Post actually came to grips with the dress itself.

00:13:25.000 They did.

00:13:25.000 They accepted the dress.

00:13:26.000 Yes, yeah.

00:13:26.000 But they felt the need to...

00:13:27.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:28.000 Oh, there we go.

00:13:29.000 Yeah.

00:13:29.000 I see.

00:13:30.000 Well, they needed to make it acceptable, and so I see the white supremacy thing.

00:13:33.000 Is that the Jackson daughter who was on the cover of Rolling Stone?

00:13:37.000 Was it?

00:13:37.000 Could be.

00:13:38.000 It could be.

00:13:39.000 No one knows.

00:13:40.000 I don't know.

00:13:40.000 It just looks like someone Michael Jackson did not want to have sex with.

00:13:44.000 Because they weren't in Home Alone 2.

00:13:45.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:47.000 Or 3, 4, 5, 6, or 8.

00:13:49.000 Anyway, we're going to get letters for those borderline accurate photographs.

00:13:56.000 So, okay, so a lot of people are going to be asking about this.

00:13:58.000 I was on Joe Rogan yesterday.

00:14:01.000 You guys were watching from here.

00:14:03.000 Went on for five hours.

00:14:05.000 I know.

00:14:06.000 And I think it was overall, and listen, let me say this.

00:14:08.000 We'll talk with you.

00:14:09.000 Golly gee.

00:14:10.000 We'll talk with, it had to pee so bad.

00:14:11.000 By the time I got to the bathroom, I looked like one of those, like, Christian children's fun, the famine victims with the gun.

00:14:15.000 There was so much pressure.

00:14:17.000 Have you ever had to pee so badly that you pee, you have to wait for the swelling to go down, and then go again?

00:14:24.000 Yes.

00:14:24.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:14:25.000 Yeah.

00:14:25.000 It's like, you pee for two minutes, you're like, I just gotta take some ibuprofen, and then the second...

00:14:29.000 It was like your very own Orville Dam, right?

00:14:31.000 Or whatever it was.

00:14:32.000 Yes, exactly.

00:14:33.000 We weren't quite sure, and I needed to build another dam.

00:14:36.000 Can you imagine me?

00:14:36.000 I haven't trusted a fart since 2010.

00:14:38.000 This is divine.

00:14:40.000 I just can't...

00:14:41.000 For those who don't know, Nakey Jared has no colon.

00:14:44.000 No colon.

00:14:45.000 So I think it gives him a pass anytime there's an odorous incident in the studio.

00:14:50.000 But it's not true.

00:14:52.000 I'm not sure how we got on bathroom humor here.

00:14:55.000 So to be fair, with Joe Rogan, he released this thing on Instagram where he was apologizing today, saying that it got out of hand.

00:15:01.000 He didn't need to do that.

00:15:02.000 Listen, his show, his rules.

00:15:04.000 It was a great conversation up until we talked about marijuana.

00:15:07.000 Now, let me be clear.

00:15:08.000 I was asked...

00:15:10.000 What subject, looking back, he's trying to say, where have you changed your mind?

00:15:14.000 Assuming maybe a lack of fluidity in my ability to process information or being inflexible in my worldview.

00:15:19.000 I said, you know what?

00:15:20.000 The issue I probably care about the least I've talked about is probably pot.

00:15:23.000 I really don't care about it.

00:15:24.000 He goes, well, what do you mean?

00:15:25.000 How so?

00:15:25.000 I said, I really don't care about it.

00:15:26.000 People want to smoke it.

00:15:27.000 States want to legalize it.

00:15:28.000 That's fine.

00:15:29.000 Well, then what is your issue with pot?

00:15:31.000 I said, well, I really don't.

00:15:32.000 You know, my only issue is when people lie about it.

00:15:34.000 And that's whether it's reefer madness or people denying any of the negative ramifications.

00:15:38.000 And so then it became a three-hour fixation on me talking about what we wrote about at lottowithcredit.com.

00:15:42.000 I believe Courtney wrote about it.

00:15:44.000 An increase in marijuana-related traffic fatalities.

00:15:49.000 Now, I'll even concede the territory.

00:15:51.000 It's hard to test.

00:15:52.000 There hasn't been roadside testing until recently, right?

00:15:55.000 So you don't know if someone has alcohol in their system or marijuana, one or both.

00:15:59.000 We don't necessarily know that correlation equals causation.

00:16:03.000 But if I did get defensive, it's because we wrote about something, which not only did we source independently at ladderwithcreditor.com, and you know, we try to be pretty meticulous about that.

00:16:12.000 The thing that bothered me the most about it is that you're open to have a discussion.

00:16:16.000 Right.

00:16:16.000 But there was no back and forth on the other side.

00:16:18.000 It was basically people...

00:16:19.000 It was almost like liberals yelling at you about some issue that they're not willing to discuss.

00:16:22.000 Right.

00:16:23.000 And that's what I think drives you nuts.

00:16:25.000 It's not that Joe Rogan's not a good guy and that you guys don't have a good relationship.

00:16:28.000 I really do like Joe.

00:16:28.000 And it's not so much that Jamie jumped in.

00:16:30.000 It's like, okay, if you want to jump in, let's both look at the screen, pal, and I'll read the next line.

00:16:34.000 And then you have to answer that, and that didn't happen, and that's what you promote here.

00:16:37.000 Right.

00:16:37.000 Well, we do promote that here, and so Joe is always welcome to come on here, or Jamie if he wants to come on here, and there will be no one else.

00:16:42.000 It'll just be me and him.

00:16:43.000 And I really do like Joe.

00:16:44.000 I just wanted to explain why I don't walk it back, and you can go and tell me in the comments section that I'm paid by Big Pharma.

00:16:50.000 We'll be back after this with more news, and then Miss Villa.

00:16:55.000 She fine.

00:16:56.000 P-O-G-O Oh no!

00:17:10.000 Little Jimmy, it appears you've contracted AIDS. Oh, man.

00:17:14.000 The good news is, Mug Club is scientifically proven to increase your enjoyment of life by 142%.

00:17:19.000 Oh, jeez.

00:17:20.000 So I'll be cured?

00:17:21.000 No, Jimmy.

00:17:23.000 You're still going to die very soon.

00:17:24.000 Shouldn't have engaged in all that unprotected homosexual intercourse.

00:17:27.000 Oh, that's such a bummer.

00:17:57.000 All right, glad to be back.

00:18:01.000 Look, our EP Scott's not even here.

00:18:03.000 We've had zero technical difficulties.

00:18:05.000 Except for just now where you're...

00:18:06.000 Except for your microphone that is now working.

00:18:09.000 Spoke too soon.

00:18:11.000 Oh, Edward the Sound Guy.

00:18:13.000 Damn.

00:18:13.000 We spoke too soon.

00:18:15.000 Is he saying cheer up my nads?

00:18:16.000 Cheer up my lads.

00:18:18.000 Lads.

00:18:18.000 I always...

00:18:19.000 You would think that.

00:18:21.000 Never knew.

00:18:22.000 Pat G. Morgan Jr.

00:18:22.000 had to go, so he had to go to the restroom.

00:18:24.000 He couldn't be here all day.

00:18:26.000 So we're going to...

00:18:27.000 We have a couple of guests.

00:18:28.000 Probably be a long show tonight.

00:18:29.000 We very much appreciate you staying with us.

00:18:30.000 Joy Vila and then Joe Rogan, which I know a lot of people are surprised with Joe Rogan.

00:18:34.000 How could you do Joe Rogan?

00:18:35.000 Don't you guys hate each other?

00:18:36.000 I actually really...

00:18:37.000 I have a lot of love for Joe.

00:18:38.000 He's been incredibly supportive.

00:18:39.000 Good guy.

00:18:40.000 So let's leave this with Joe does not suck.

00:18:43.000 Here are some celebrities who do suck.

00:18:44.000 J.K. Rowling.

00:18:45.000 Rowling?

00:18:46.000 Rowling?

00:18:46.000 How do we pronounce it?

00:18:47.000 No one knows.

00:18:48.000 I don't care.

00:18:48.000 The English don't speak English properly.

00:18:50.000 Use your R's!

00:18:53.000 How do they teach the alphabet in England?

00:18:55.000 They were like, well, we invented the language.

00:18:57.000 Okay.

00:18:57.000 Do you go A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, N, O, P, Q, A, S? There's no R? I won't accept it.

00:19:06.000 I don't accept the premise.

00:19:07.000 There is an R in the English language.

00:19:10.000 You don't use it.

00:19:11.000 We're tackling the series of issues here in 2017.

00:19:13.000 Well, except for the fact that J.K. Rowling's an insufferable bitch.

00:19:15.000 So...

00:19:16.000 J.K. Rowling tweeted out, this was a story this week, where she was talking about...

00:19:21.000 This, like, here goes back.

00:19:22.000 This goes to her just premise of being...

00:19:23.000 Yeah, the premise where she said, if you can't imagine yourself in one of those boats talking about refugees, you have something missing.

00:19:29.000 They are dying for a life worth living.

00:19:32.000 First off, that's saying nothing.

00:19:34.000 This is something that the left does.

00:19:35.000 We've talked about this, right?

00:19:36.000 Attributing motive.

00:19:37.000 If you can't imagine yourself...

00:19:38.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:19:38.000 Maybe people have imagined themselves.

00:19:40.000 But maybe people have also imagined themselves as Americans who don't want their daughters to be raped.

00:19:45.000 Surprise.

00:19:46.000 Put yourself in their shoes.

00:19:48.000 Well, I'm putting myself in the rape victim's shoes.

00:19:50.000 Hold on a second.

00:19:52.000 It seems unpleasant.

00:19:58.000 We'll cut that later.

00:19:59.000 No, no.

00:19:59.000 Do not cut that.

00:20:01.000 Don't cut my pantomiming.

00:20:04.000 It's gentle sexual accosting.

00:20:05.000 It's like, do I, don't I? Do I. Do I. So, she wrote this about the refugees.

00:20:12.000 She's a billionaire again, according to the UK Business Insider.

00:20:15.000 They wrote about that.

00:20:15.000 So she is a billionaire herself.

00:20:17.000 And there were hundreds of people on Twitter.

00:20:19.000 Who personally offered, I mean, there's so many, what, $10,000 here, $20,000 there, to personally send refugees to J.K. Rowling's house, one of her many, many mansions, to live there.

00:20:31.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:20:32.000 It may sound like a publicity stunt, and I understand that.

00:20:35.000 I think we're good to go.

00:20:49.000 keep it clean so their parents can kind of ride it up as retirement.

00:20:51.000 So this is actually something that legitimately could be put together.

00:20:55.000 J.K. Rowling, if she believes what she says, could very easily house these people.

00:21:00.000 Instead, she's opted not to put herself in their shoes.

00:21:04.000 So this is one of those examples.

00:21:07.000 You attribute motive.

00:21:10.000 You say that everyone else is vicious.

00:21:11.000 You say that everyone else is unsympathetic.

00:21:13.000 And then when people call you on it in a very tangible way, in a way that can actually be quantified, listen, you can bring in refugees yourself, completely ignored.

00:21:22.000 It's other people who have to do it.

00:21:25.000 Some might call that a lack of authenticity.

00:21:27.000 Well, and you know what?

00:21:27.000 I talked about this with Joe Rogan yesterday on his show because he's a generous guy.

00:21:31.000 Money amplifies character.

00:21:33.000 And so a lot of people think that having enough money absolves them of guilt.

00:21:36.000 You know, so they might say, well, I gave a million dollars to this charity.

00:21:39.000 That sounds like a lot.

00:21:40.000 But if you have $50 million, that's nothing.

00:21:44.000 And that's why, you know, there's a Christian principle of tithing.

00:21:46.000 A tenth of your first fruits is a baseline minimum that you give to your church, to your community.

00:21:50.000 Consider it charity.

00:21:51.000 It doesn't have to be a church if you're an atheist or you're going to do the flying spaghetti monster thing.

00:21:57.000 Proportional giving is something.

00:21:59.000 And it needs to be voluntary, otherwise it's not generous.

00:22:01.000 I can see the comment section.

00:22:02.000 It's not the same thing.

00:22:03.000 So why don't you support free healthcare?

00:22:05.000 Because giving at gunpoint isn't particularly generous.

00:22:08.000 And there's nothing particularly charitable about spending someone else's money.

00:22:12.000 Makes you feel better, though.

00:22:13.000 Makes Skylar feel better.

00:22:14.000 It's like walking down, two of us going like, oh my gosh, can you see that homeless vet?

00:22:18.000 It's terrible.

00:22:19.000 Doesn't it break your heart?

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 Toss him a hundred.

00:22:22.000 What?

00:22:22.000 I said toss him a hundred if you know what's good for you.

00:22:26.000 We don't support that, but we do support charitable giving on your own, and we try to do that here at Lotterworth Crowder.

00:22:30.000 So, speaking of this, when we're talking about celebrities, we move on.

00:22:34.000 So we'll see what remains to be seen from J.K. Rowling.

00:22:36.000 Here's the thing with J.K. Rowling.

00:22:37.000 She could literally, if she wanted to, she has so much money, she could create a real-life Hogwarts and just fill it with refugees.

00:22:46.000 Give them wands, moving paintings.

00:22:48.000 She could literally make refugees dream.

00:22:49.000 She could put thousands of refugees in a real-life Harry Potter world.

00:22:55.000 She could do that.

00:22:57.000 She absolutely could do that.

00:22:59.000 The problem is, you know, everyone get raped.

00:23:03.000 It'd be the hat going on.

00:23:06.000 Gryffindor!

00:23:08.000 Rape house!

00:23:09.000 Oh!

00:23:10.000 I should have seen that coming.

00:23:11.000 I thought we were doing a parade.

00:23:12.000 No, it's just rape, actually, at the end of the day.

00:23:14.000 You're in Slytherin!

00:23:16.000 You mean Slytherin?

00:23:16.000 No!

00:23:17.000 Slytherin!

00:23:19.000 So, let's move on as this is going really well on that one.

00:23:24.000 Meryl Streep is in this same boat right now.

00:23:27.000 Good old Meryl Streep.

00:23:28.000 She screams and she roars at human rights galas.

00:23:30.000 And because no one is willing to fact check her on anything, no one's even willing to say that she is kind of overrated as an actress.

00:23:37.000 Well, first, let's see what it is she said.

00:23:39.000 Very impassioned.

00:23:41.000 The only way you can do it is to feel you have to.

00:23:44.000 You have to.

00:23:44.000 You don't have an option.

00:23:46.000 You have to.

00:23:47.000 Stand up.

00:23:48.000 Speak up.

00:23:50.000 Act up!

00:23:53.000 Hmm.

00:23:54.000 Some would say maybe you should act down, Meryl.

00:23:56.000 Act down.

00:23:57.000 You're laying it on a little thick now.

00:23:58.000 Not every film is The Devil Wears Prada.

00:24:00.000 There's something called naturalist approach.

00:24:02.000 I love how she's like, you don't have an option!

00:24:05.000 And then she's like, Trump is literally Hitler.

00:24:07.000 You have to!

00:24:08.000 You have to!

00:24:09.000 You will!

00:24:11.000 Trump is Hitler.

00:24:13.000 You have to.

00:24:13.000 She's talking about giving.

00:24:14.000 She's talking about helping refugees.

00:24:15.000 Well, it just so happens we have a little interesting tidbit about Meryl Streep.

00:24:19.000 As the name of their foundation, this is Meryl Streep's foundation, Silver Mountain Foundation of the Arts suggests, Streep and Gummer, I guess her associate, have a strong interest in arts and cultures.

00:24:28.000 Recent money has gone to Butler Museum of America in Ohio.

00:24:32.000 Streep also gave $1 million grant to Public Theater in New York in 2012.

00:24:37.000 I'm trying to think of where this ends.

00:24:39.000 Yeah, in 2012.

00:24:40.000 So if you look at this, this is an organization.

00:24:41.000 So this is not all Meryl Streep's money, okay?

00:24:44.000 Organization, they've given about a million dollars here.

00:24:46.000 I think it seems like their biggest number they've given was $1 million in 2012.

00:24:51.000 Most years, it seems to be $50,000, $25,000.

00:24:53.000 To push up the arts!

00:24:54.000 First off, it's not charity.

00:24:58.000 Good art doesn't need you to support it.

00:25:01.000 It doesn't need you to subsidize it.

00:25:03.000 Good art can pay for itself, as a general rule.

00:25:05.000 If no one wants to buy it, if no one wants to consume it, it's crappy art.

00:25:09.000 You mean I don't have to subsidize a man drinking a vial of his own blood out of his own anus as interpretive...

00:25:15.000 No, no, you don't.

00:25:16.000 No, you don't.

00:25:17.000 You certainly don't give him a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:25:21.000 So, Meryl Streep personally is worth $45 million.

00:25:25.000 $45 million.

00:25:26.000 And this is a foundation that she's created with other people.

00:25:28.000 And to the best of our knowledge, this could be wrong, tweet me at S. Crowder, it's hard to find.

00:25:33.000 On their best year, they've given a million dollars to charity.

00:25:36.000 And a million dollars to charity through abstract art and interpretive dance.

00:25:41.000 Does anybody else see how greedy and completely unhelpful that is?

00:25:47.000 You want some more economic though?

00:25:48.000 Bitching at the Oscars.

00:25:49.000 Bitching at the Oscars.

00:25:50.000 Farm economic.

00:25:51.000 Well, I understand, right, you can either give money or you can give time.

00:25:55.000 Here's the thing.

00:25:55.000 Usually someone who gives time is someone who doesn't have money, right?

00:25:58.000 And this is a biblical principle.

00:25:59.000 You're called upon to give what you have.

00:26:02.000 If you have a lot of money, you know what?

00:26:04.000 You're going to be expected to be generous with your finances.

00:26:07.000 If you don't, you're still expected to be generous with your time, to be generous in being helpful.

00:26:12.000 Everyone can give something.

00:26:13.000 We talked about this with Joe Rogan.

00:26:15.000 I've seen just as many greedy poor people...

00:26:17.000 As I've seen generous rich people and vice versa.

00:26:20.000 Money just amplifies character.

00:26:22.000 In Meryl Streep's instance, it amplifies the character of a self-important insufferable bitch.

00:26:28.000 So this is what we see with Meryl Streep.

00:26:29.000 $45 million, a foundation, $1 million to arts.

00:26:33.000 In a way where she can pat herself on the back as she drinks a wine cooler at a $50,000 per plate gala.

00:26:39.000 So...

00:26:40.000 If you want to put your money where your mouth is, here's the thing.

00:26:43.000 It would be really easy for them to do so.

00:26:45.000 I understand that for many of you out there, let's say you're a liberal college student, you say, well, I can't house a refugee.

00:26:50.000 Well, I can't give money to create a settlement.

00:26:53.000 You can't.

00:26:53.000 These people can, and they never do.

00:26:57.000 It would be the easiest thing in the world for Meryl Streep to give millions upon millions of dollars.

00:27:01.000 It would be the easiest thing in the world.

00:27:02.000 As a matter of fact, it would be harder for Meryl Streep to give her time.

00:27:05.000 It would be harder to give more of her time to take time off of making additional millions of dollars to help serve and give out blankets or a soup kitchen for refugees.

00:27:14.000 That would probably be more difficult.

00:27:16.000 It is the easiest thing in the world for Meryl Streep or J.K. Rowling, who's a billionaire, to just give as much money as they could possibly imagine at this refugee crisis.

00:27:24.000 They don't do it.

00:27:26.000 By the way, I think in that clip she was actually advocating for LGBTQ rights.

00:27:30.000 Now, if you can take a guess how much she donated to their causes.

00:27:33.000 Do we have the numbers?

00:27:34.000 I don't have that.

00:27:35.000 I don't think they exist.

00:27:37.000 They're a figment of your imagination.

00:27:39.000 They are nothingness.

00:27:42.000 So that's important to note.

00:27:43.000 If you don't have money, give time.

00:27:45.000 If you don't have time, give money.

00:27:46.000 Everyone can help.

00:27:48.000 The one place where they generally don't is the entertainment industry.

00:27:51.000 Speaking of which, speaking of the help...

00:27:54.000 Not five black ladies.

00:27:56.000 Mexicans.

00:27:57.000 There was hashtag day without immigrants was trending all over.

00:27:59.000 Did you see this, not gay?

00:28:00.000 I unfortunately saw this.

00:28:01.000 Day without immigrants.

00:28:03.000 And this was a day.

00:28:05.000 It's not been announced yet, has it?

00:28:07.000 I think it's today.

00:28:08.000 It's today?

00:28:09.000 It's today.

00:28:09.000 People are doing it today.

00:28:10.000 They get really short notice with those hashtags.

00:28:12.000 They get really short notice.

00:28:13.000 How do they rally all of the illegal immigrants with their hashtag if it's not even in Spanish?

00:28:18.000 That's a good question.

00:28:19.000 How do they get all the Fight for 15 people through emails when we haven't given them free iPhones yet?

00:28:26.000 Have they ever contacted you in the Fight for 15?

00:28:28.000 They always say, this is going on right now, I promise.

00:28:28.000 They do.

00:28:31.000 But they never tell you when.

00:28:32.000 No, never when.

00:28:34.000 It's like, oh, this is happening.

00:28:35.000 Here's some photoshopped images.

00:28:37.000 And then they accuse the Tea Party of being astroturf.

00:28:39.000 It's unreal.

00:28:40.000 So A Day Without Immigrants, this was all, you know, New York Times, it was all over the web, and a lot of people read this.

00:28:45.000 And it's this idea that we're going to have a day without immigrants working just to show you like women not working.

00:28:50.000 Remember we saw what that was like?

00:28:51.000 Just to show you what it's like a day without immigrants.

00:28:53.000 And here's what's so important with that.

00:28:54.000 It really is that sleight of hand.

00:28:55.000 By the way, someone tweeted me like, why are you saying sleight of hand?

00:28:57.000 Are you a magician?

00:28:58.000 No, I'm not.

00:28:59.000 It's a colloquialism.

00:29:00.000 Nothing up my sleeve.

00:29:00.000 Yes.

00:29:02.000 I'm going to pull a rabbit out of my hat.

00:29:04.000 That'd make for a great show, by the way.

00:29:07.000 So, that was a Rocky and Bullwinkle reference, in case I remember.

00:29:09.000 Of course.

00:29:11.000 By the way, I think they had a little side action going on.

00:29:14.000 Rocky and Bullwinkle.

00:29:15.000 You got that, too.

00:29:15.000 Oh, boy, Rocky, you must have picked the wrong hat!

00:29:19.000 Refugee rape.

00:29:21.000 Day without immigrants.

00:29:22.000 The sleight of hand that's occurring here is, it's not a day without immigrants.

00:29:25.000 It's not a day without my mom.

00:29:27.000 It's not a day without Polish immigrants.

00:29:30.000 It's not a day without Asians in Silicon Valley.

00:29:32.000 It's not a day without the Italian bakery owner out there in Hoboken or in New York City.

00:29:38.000 It's not a day without the legal Indian immigrant who's operating a restaurant somewhere in Dallas, Texas.

00:29:44.000 Or Melania Trump as people are helping.

00:29:45.000 Yeah.

00:29:46.000 Or it's not a day without Melania Trump selling clothes at Nordstrom before they ban her.

00:29:51.000 It's not a day without immigrants.

00:29:52.000 That's a sleight of hand.

00:29:53.000 It's a day without illegal immigrants.

00:29:56.000 You know why?

00:29:57.000 Because legal immigrants, as a demographic, are the people most opposed to illegal immigration and most supportive.

00:30:06.000 Of enforcing our current immigration laws, if not building a wall and making Mexico pay for it.

00:30:10.000 So to lump them all in together, again we talk, well let's not be racist, let's not be prejudiced, but they deliberately, proactively keep you in the dark by lumping all law-abiding immigrants who came here to learn the language and become a part of the great cultural experiment that is the United States of America with people who had a geographic advantage and a friend with an El Camino and AR-15.

00:30:32.000 It's not the same thing.

00:30:34.000 So when you watch this, it's important for you to read it and read the subtext because, oh, okay, Day Without Immigrants.

00:30:39.000 It's not.

00:30:39.000 It's a day without illegal aliens.

00:30:41.000 Yeah, almost none of these articles that we went through, by the way, contain even the word illegal.

00:30:45.000 Contain the word illegal because they think, well, people aren't illegal.

00:30:49.000 Only actions.

00:30:50.000 No, people are illegal.

00:30:51.000 People can be here illegally.

00:30:52.000 They committed a crime.

00:30:52.000 It's illegal for them to be here.

00:30:53.000 People are illegal.

00:30:54.000 Well, do you really mean?

00:30:56.000 Yes.

00:30:56.000 Yes, I do.

00:30:58.000 Are we good?

00:30:59.000 They are illegal human beings here because they are here illegally.

00:31:02.000 Gotta go.

00:31:03.000 That's it.

00:31:04.000 Doesn't mean I hate you.

00:31:05.000 Come on back in through the revolving door, sign the guestbook, and you'll be welcome just like everybody else.

00:31:12.000 And they try, and another thing, the whole thing is they're trying to sell us that we can't do this because we're absolutely reliant on open borders and illegal immigration.

00:31:19.000 Because if we if we have a day without illegal immigrants, my gosh, it would be absolute utter chaos.

00:31:25.000 For breaking news on Wilder with Crowder, I'm Perry Matheson.

00:31:39.000 Today, February 16th marks a monumental moment in American history where, in a sign of solidarity, all illegal, excuse me, undocumented immigrants in the United States have refused to work, serve, or be of any measurable use to their fellow Americans.

00:31:56.000 We have Jimmy, our on-the-ground reporter in Los Angeles.

00:32:00.000 What are you seeing down there, Jimmy?

00:32:02.000 Yes, Perry, thank you.

00:32:03.000 Initially, most remarkable is to see that there is, in fact, as you can see, no traffic on the 405 to be found, Perry.

00:32:10.000 Now, Jimmy, when you say no traffic, you mean because of fewer people on the road with immigrants on strike, correct?

00:32:17.000 No, Perry.

00:32:18.000 I mean, no traffic whatsoever.

00:32:20.000 For the first time, every automobile is operating with legal, valid tags.

00:32:24.000 Not a single abandoned El Camino has been spotted, and there have been zero reports of hit-and-run incidents.

00:32:29.000 It's truly a sight to behold, Perry.

00:32:31.000 And the police forces have actually sent two-thirds of their offices home for the day.

00:32:35.000 Remarkable, Jimmy.

00:32:36.000 Is there anything else to note on the ground?

00:32:38.000 Certainly.

00:32:39.000 Noise complaints from overly loud low-rider stereos have dropped to a negligible level.

00:32:44.000 Univision stock has seen a 400% increase due to the increased viewership from workers staying home, Perry.

00:32:49.000 And many Americans, out of consequence, have been forced to pick their own produce, which many surprisingly have claimed that they find enjoyable, Perry.

00:32:57.000 A fascinating moment in human history.

00:32:59.000 Now, Perry, I must caution, these results are not without negative ramifications.

00:33:03.000 To all men on the ground, it is my journalistic duty to inform you that we've seen an alarming number of...

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00:35:25.000 Got that right.

00:35:26.000 All right.

00:35:28.000 And look at this, look at this.

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00:35:44.000 We talked about this earlier in the show.

00:35:47.000 Let's just get right to it.

00:35:47.000 You wore a Make America Great Again dress.

00:35:51.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:35:52.000 We saw Make America Great.

00:35:54.000 We didn't see the again.

00:35:56.000 Was that coming under the hem?

00:35:58.000 Where was the again?

00:35:59.000 It was there.

00:36:00.000 It was there at the bottom.

00:36:03.000 So it was the Trump train on the caboose, for lack of a better word.

00:36:07.000 That's right.

00:36:07.000 A literal Trump train.

00:36:09.000 Yes.

00:36:09.000 On a figurative caboose, which we mean this complimentary.

00:36:13.000 We don't want to be sexist, but good going.

00:36:15.000 You pulled that off.

00:36:16.000 Thank you.

00:36:18.000 So there's so much backlash.

00:36:19.000 Now, I know a lot of people say this is kind of a publicity stunt, and I think we'd both acknowledge there's some component to that, but that doesn't mean that it's not raising awareness.

00:36:27.000 Right.

00:36:28.000 Right.

00:36:28.000 Your reason for raising awareness, from what I read, was you said to fight against suppressive Hollywood, to stop the bullying and the hate.

00:36:36.000 So I'm really interested, as someone who's mixed race, like yourself, or biracial, whatever term we're supposed to use, please don't call the NAACP. What do you mean by that, the suppressive Hollywood hate and bullying?

00:36:48.000 You know, and my passion lies in standing up for people who are the underdog.

00:36:54.000 All my life, I've been that person, and I've taught myself how to stand up.

00:37:01.000 And instead of fighting back, like, I hate you, and instead of doing that, because you go down to people's level and the narrative just becomes like this, I've chosen to rise above and just show love.

00:37:14.000 And that's always worked for me as a policy.

00:37:17.000 And really, you know, you're going to be bullied no matter what you do.

00:37:21.000 That's just life, unfortunately.

00:37:22.000 If you're in the public eye, if you are an artist, if you stand up for what you believe in, you are going to be insulted.

00:37:28.000 From body shaming to being called racist to being called a bigot.

00:37:32.000 Hold on a second.

00:37:34.000 You have not been body shamed, sweetheart.

00:37:36.000 We saw you run and get your headphones.

00:37:38.000 There was no body shaming in a room full of men here.

00:37:41.000 It was tasteful.

00:37:43.000 But was not body shaming.

00:37:45.000 I'll leave it at that.

00:37:46.000 Well, you know, I mean, that's what the hate side will do.

00:37:50.000 And it's not the way to go because you get nothing done.

00:37:55.000 So my message was unity, peace, and compassion.

00:37:59.000 And no matter what side you fall on the political spectrum, let's just have a normal conversation about it instead of the hate.

00:38:05.000 Well, that's interesting that you say that because the left, the progressive left, leftism today, they sort of fancy themselves having the corner on compassion and being the anti-bullying.

00:38:16.000 And something that you said, so well, first off, before I get to this other quote, have you noticed that as an irony?

00:38:22.000 Have you always been maybe more right-leaning?

00:38:24.000 Or was this kind of a lightning rod for you this last election to see who the bullies were?

00:38:29.000 It's a really good question.

00:38:31.000 I was raised conservative Christian.

00:38:33.000 So my dad was a minister.

00:38:36.000 He passed away.

00:38:37.000 But he taught me, always look from the other side and don't always listen to what people are saying.

00:38:44.000 Actually look for yourself.

00:38:46.000 Do the research.

00:38:48.000 I somewhat fell away from my beliefs when I came, you know, into the music industry.

00:38:53.000 And I still stayed strong, but I found like there was sort of this wave of, well, just keep it down.

00:38:59.000 Don't speak too loudly.

00:39:01.000 You know, so it was like, okay, but I never really abandoned that.

00:39:05.000 But when this election came around, I was like, I was overseas and all I heard was bad news.

00:39:11.000 I mean, that's all I saw.

00:39:12.000 That's all I saw.

00:39:15.000 like spreading bad news.

00:39:16.000 You know, they're like, did you hear about this?

00:39:18.000 And it was like, that was the narrative.

00:39:20.000 That was the only narrative.

00:39:21.000 So when I came back and unfortunately I got caught up in that and I just, I looked at it, I said, wait, let me just do some research.

00:39:28.000 And I personally made the decision as an American from what I felt was best.

00:39:32.000 And I voted for Donald Trump.

00:39:34.000 Yeah.

00:39:34.000 And of course, I couldn't say that, though.

00:39:37.000 No, you can't.

00:39:38.000 I mean, that's you can't.

00:39:39.000 No, that's that's the hate.

00:39:40.000 Right.

00:39:40.000 I always said this where this is going so far the other way.

00:39:43.000 So, you know what?

00:39:43.000 Actually, in public school today, when I was in Canada, the gay kid should never be bullied.

00:39:48.000 Let me be clear.

00:39:49.000 But how to pass.

00:39:50.000 No one would ever bully the gay kid because he's the gay kid and you get expelled.

00:39:53.000 But the Christian club, those kids, they were nerds.

00:39:57.000 They were Jesus freaks.

00:39:58.000 They, you know, constant, constant.

00:39:59.000 They'd have used condoms put on their lockers.

00:40:03.000 This has happened all the time.

00:40:05.000 I'm not saying either is acceptable.

00:40:07.000 But the left has tried to make it as though every time a Christian or a conservative shows up in the entertainment industry, we're the serial killer.

00:40:14.000 We're the bitchy cheerleader who's secretly a hypocrite.

00:40:16.000 Especially for someone like you, who's pretty, right?

00:40:19.000 Right away they hear it's like, Well, we're not body shaming her because she's pretty and she's successful, so we're not class shaming her.

00:40:24.000 So we can throw anything that we want at her.

00:40:27.000 And, you know, Uncle Thomas, what would it be for a black woman?

00:40:31.000 I don't know.

00:40:31.000 Aunt Tomlin?

00:40:32.000 I don't know.

00:40:33.000 But I'm sure you've gotten all of that, right?

00:40:34.000 It's unbelievable, actually.

00:40:36.000 You know, I mean, the backlash is so...

00:40:40.000 So bully like it's such a bully narrative that it's like it really doesn't even make sense because you can't disagree with someone who's saying let's just get along.

00:40:50.000 You know I'm not even saying you have to support our president.

00:40:52.000 I'm saying it would be nice if you gave him a chance and maybe just Didn't spit in the face of your friends who do.

00:40:59.000 You know, let's just have a conversation about it and let's take it down a notch and come back to unity because we are Americans, you know, no matter what.

00:41:08.000 And unity is always the best, the best way.

00:41:11.000 So it's unfortunate.

00:41:13.000 That's really what inspired me and the dress designer, Andre Soriano.

00:41:17.000 By the way, he's a gay immigrant from the Philippines.

00:41:21.000 He's a male equivalent to that little Asian lady in The Incredibles making the costumes.

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:25.000 Totally.

00:41:26.000 And he just, you know, he called me up.

00:41:28.000 He was crying.

00:41:29.000 He's like, Joy, did you see the Women's March?

00:41:31.000 Do you see what's happening?

00:41:32.000 I know you voted for Trump.

00:41:34.000 Let's make an impact.

00:41:35.000 Let's try to change the narrative about love.

00:41:37.000 And we both had to look and go, and I had to think, like, Yeah, okay.

00:41:42.000 Let's do this.

00:41:42.000 It's going to be scary, you know?

00:41:44.000 You took a risk.

00:41:45.000 You took a risk.

00:41:45.000 And I will tell you, people like us here, anytime you want to come on the show, you're more than welcome we have your back because I know what that risk is like.

00:41:52.000 I mean, I was dropped as a manager who called me up.

00:41:55.000 We had this tiff with Comedy Central.

00:41:57.000 And this happens.

00:41:58.000 It happens in the entertainment industry.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:42:00.000 It really does.

00:42:00.000 And it's not talked about.

00:42:02.000 Well, a good point you made, you said, I know gay Trump supporters in my community who say this feels like being closeted again.

00:42:07.000 I feel like I can't come out of the closet and talk about being a Trump supporter because I will get attacked.

00:42:13.000 So how long has this been going on for you?

00:42:16.000 I mean, we've had Adam Baldwin on and Gary Sinise, and they've talked about this.

00:42:20.000 How long have you been keeping this kind of thing quiet?

00:42:23.000 And was the catalyst just this?

00:42:25.000 I'll ask you this because I was raised in Canada.

00:42:27.000 Was a big part of it when you were overseas and everyone was trashing the United States, you felt like, you know what?

00:42:33.000 That's it.

00:42:34.000 I'm American.

00:42:34.000 I'm no longer going to be ashamed.

00:42:36.000 Because that was me in Canada.

00:42:37.000 I became so pro-American because they were so anti-American.

00:42:40.000 I went so far the other way.

00:42:42.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:42:43.000 I mean, that's exactly it.

00:42:45.000 I was forced to find out, well, what's the real truth?

00:42:48.000 Let me dig deep.

00:42:49.000 Let me do some research.

00:42:50.000 Let me see what the message has been for the last 30 years.

00:42:53.000 And I do believe that President Donald Trump, he's a businessman.

00:43:00.000 And he's a successful family man.

00:43:02.000 And, you know, for me, I say, you know, yeah, of course, nobody's perfect and they don't always say the best thing at the right time, but he's not a politician.

00:43:10.000 And that's what I really like.

00:43:12.000 Right.

00:43:13.000 I felt like for the first time there's someone in office who's going to be for the people and is elected by the people.

00:43:18.000 And, you know, I, I feel like no matter what your political views are, hate speech saying you want to bomb the White House saying you want to kill supporters is just so wrong.

00:43:28.000 It's so far removed from what we're doing here.

00:43:32.000 Well, Lauren, not to correct you or be a jerk here, but I will say this is something that's important because I know your heart's in the right place.

00:43:37.000 What you just described wasn't hate speech.

00:43:39.000 And I say that because people will accuse you of hate speech for having an opinion.

00:43:42.000 Those are calls to action and violence.

00:43:44.000 For example, if you said something even really racist or you said something even really sexist, I would defend your right to say it, even if it were quote unquote hate speech.

00:43:54.000 But the left does try to obfuscate that.

00:43:56.000 And I think you'll wake up to this more the more you get involved in this, where they'll paint any opinion they disagree with as hate speech.

00:44:02.000 And they'll often say, well, hate speech, you can't yell fire in a crowded room.

00:44:05.000 Well, that's not hate speech.

00:44:06.000 That's an action.

00:44:08.000 That's true.

00:44:09.000 You're absolutely right.

00:44:10.000 That's absolutely true.

00:44:11.000 An action to incite violence.

00:44:13.000 And that's what I'm against.

00:44:15.000 And that was the catalyst.

00:44:16.000 It became so, before that, you know, it became so much, so big, so much negativity that I said, okay, I have to actually look.

00:44:25.000 And it wasn't until just before the election that I really started digging because I came back into the U.S. and I just researched.

00:44:32.000 And I did what my daddy taught me, you know, and...

00:44:35.000 I voted with what I believe was right, and I still believe that that's the way to go.

00:44:40.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:44:40.000 Do you think that the entertainment industry, the left in Hollywood, do you think they're more upset about the fact that you and your designer have kind of smashed the stereotypes they like to perpetuate because their whole, you know, their move is divide and conquer?

00:44:54.000 Do you think they're more upset about that or the fact that you actually voted Trump?

00:44:58.000 I think it's sort of, you know, people who...

00:45:02.000 I think it's the same bullying narrative we're talking about.

00:45:05.000 It's this, you don't agree with what I see as the truth, so therefore you must be bad.

00:45:10.000 This equals this, which makes no sense.

00:45:15.000 I feel like it really is people who have not looked to the future or have looked at, okay, well, he is our president.

00:45:23.000 Maybe I should look at what I'm going to do in the next four years.

00:45:26.000 And I think they're just very stuck in, I think, the past.

00:45:29.000 They're stuck in what their friends have told them to think or what they feel is what the media is saying and what's being preached at them.

00:45:36.000 And they're not using their own eyes to say, well, you know what?

00:45:40.000 Let me take a look at this.

00:45:41.000 And I always encourage that no matter what.

00:45:44.000 You don't even have to listen to me.

00:45:46.000 Go research.

00:45:47.000 Go figure out what you believe based on what you see.

00:45:50.000 And that's my message.

00:45:52.000 It's like, yeah, here's somebody who looks like me, who's vegan, who's black, who's Native American, who's Italian, who doesn't look like the typical Trump supporter.

00:46:03.000 And I'm preaching love.

00:46:05.000 And I think it does...

00:46:06.000 put some people in a question mark.

00:46:08.000 And I think that's good, though.

00:46:10.000 Well, especially, too, when you consider it, he's the most liberal Republican president there's ever been.

00:46:14.000 He's the first president to take the office, who was pro-gay marriage.

00:46:18.000 Barack Obama was against it until he was for it.

00:46:20.000 Caitlyn Jenner dropped a deuce in Trump Tower.

00:46:23.000 So you can't claim the trans folk thing.

00:46:25.000 And by the way, that's the whole thing.

00:46:26.000 The Hollywood thing has moved so far with the trans issue.

00:46:28.000 The backlash is like, people are just going, hold on a second.

00:46:31.000 Last week, he was a guy.

00:46:33.000 Can we just slow down for a second?

00:46:35.000 It doesn't mean I hate you.

00:46:37.000 And it's ironic that you talk about a message of love.

00:46:40.000 And this is a show where we're accused of I don't know, being Nazis to whatever it is for having a different opinion.

00:46:46.000 And this is probably the only show where you can come on and you could probably come back on where we disagree, like on veganism.

00:46:52.000 I disagree wholeheartedly, but we can discuss that rationally.

00:46:56.000 Totally.

00:46:56.000 Absolutely.

00:46:57.000 And that's America, isn't it?

00:46:59.000 Like, this is the American ideal.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:03.000 And that's what...

00:47:04.000 I feel like you and people who have strong opinions are bringing back, you know, and it is Make America Great Again, because America is the place where, hey, listen, you can believe in this, you can believe in that, and I don't have to support your beliefs, but I support you as a human being.

00:47:18.000 And that's it.

00:47:19.000 You don't have to be vegan, but you can talk to me.

00:47:22.000 You know, you're not going to be like, I hate veganism, and you're going to hate me.

00:47:25.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:47:27.000 Nothing gets done if nobody communicates.

00:47:29.000 I think if we debated on veganism, I'd win because you don't have enough saturated fat in your diet for your brain.

00:47:34.000 So I think I'd be quicker to the punch.

00:47:36.000 Oh no!

00:47:38.000 No, I completely agree.

00:47:40.000 Where are you getting your B vitamins?

00:47:42.000 Oh yeah, that's the first question, right?

00:47:44.000 If you say spirulina, we're gonna have a problem!

00:47:49.000 No, we had, well, Jake Shields, who's, well, not a vegan.

00:47:53.000 He's a vegetarian from Berkeley.

00:47:54.000 He's an MMA fighter, and he was punching out the Berkeley protesters.

00:47:57.000 So you say, let's have a conversation of ideas, and we can disagree.

00:48:01.000 And right now, the liberals are hearing it going, throw fiery trash cans through Starbucks windows?

00:48:06.000 That's what I'm hearing!

00:48:08.000 I mean, it has gotten, and the left excuses it, and they make it acceptable.

00:48:12.000 Do you think, especially being in the entertainment industry, and then we have to go after, and I'd love to have you back soon.

00:48:18.000 I'd love to be back.

00:48:19.000 This is awesome.

00:48:20.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:48:21.000 This is new media, and more people will watch this than CNN primetime.

00:48:25.000 Do you think that...

00:48:27.000 Some people in the entertainment industry, like your gay little Filipino buddy, adorable by the way, you could give him away as a gift.

00:48:34.000 Do you think that more people in the entertainment industry are realizing that their positions are inherently anti-freedom at this point, anti-free speech, anti-freedom of dissenting opinion?

00:48:46.000 They really are, in that sense, authoritarian culturally.

00:48:51.000 I think people are really opening their eyes.

00:48:53.000 I think there's going to be a cultural shift.

00:48:56.000 I think that this is good, this dissension, because it's getting people to talk.

00:49:01.000 I think before culture was in apathy, it was, oh, well, I can't even say my own beliefs because no one's going to listen anyways.

00:49:07.000 Now at least it's, well, let me say something, even though I'm going to get hate.

00:49:10.000 I think we're slowly starting to move in the right direction.

00:49:16.000 Right.

00:49:18.000 I really hope that more people do that and the conversation changes and that we see in media other issues rather than the same issues that are always, you know, sort of hashtag and promoted as the only problems in the world.

00:49:31.000 Right.

00:49:31.000 That's not true.

00:49:32.000 There's so many other – there's different colors in the spectrum.

00:49:36.000 You know, there's black supporters of Trump.

00:49:39.000 There's Latino supporters of Trump.

00:49:41.000 Like, they've all tweeted me.

00:49:42.000 And those people don't get the acknowledgement that they deserve.

00:49:46.000 And I think you always have to listen to both sides.

00:49:48.000 No matter what you believe, you have to listen to both.

00:49:51.000 Otherwise, it becomes no conversation.

00:49:53.000 It just becomes dead air.

00:49:55.000 Here's a message.

00:49:56.000 Believe.

00:49:57.000 Obey.

00:49:57.000 And that's wrong.

00:49:58.000 And that's the entire entertainment industry.

00:50:00.000 And think about it.

00:50:00.000 I mean, that was why there was so much controversy over your dress and the vitriolic.

00:50:04.000 By the way, completely sexist hatred.

00:50:08.000 Also really racist if you look at it because of people talking about you effectively being a traitor or, you know.

00:50:13.000 I heard someone recently call them renegade Latinos who vote Donald Trump.

00:50:16.000 All of a sudden, it's acceptable because you disagree with them politically.

00:50:20.000 I like that term.

00:50:20.000 The renegade is pretty cool.

00:50:23.000 Renegade, there you go.

00:50:24.000 Renegade multiracial.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, renegade.

00:50:27.000 You know, I mean, you know, we're like, it's like the rebellion.

00:50:30.000 You know, it's just like, we are, we're rebellious because we stand up for what we believe.

00:50:37.000 And that is the new punk rock, I feel like.

00:50:39.000 Yes, I agree with you.

00:50:40.000 And then before we go, are you, have you had any backlash, like from management, representation, or right now?

00:50:47.000 Are you a little nervous or you feel totally at peace with it?

00:50:50.000 I fired everybody.

00:50:51.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:50:53.000 She really does like Trump.

00:50:56.000 No, honestly, I've surrounded myself with really good people.

00:51:01.000 So they knew my views.

00:51:02.000 I showed them photos of the dress.

00:51:04.000 I was like, hey, guys, you know I'm going to wear this.

00:51:06.000 And my publicist, Rick Kresge, he's from Toronto.

00:51:11.000 He's from Canada.

00:51:13.000 And he says, you know, I'm a...

00:51:15.000 I'm a closeted Trump supporter and I'm proud to walk with you on that red carpet when I showed him like a few days before the Grammys.

00:51:22.000 Wow.

00:51:22.000 And I said thank you.

00:51:23.000 It was a closet.

00:51:24.000 Yeah.

00:51:25.000 So she was out of it.

00:51:27.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:51:28.000 I mean, some friends have made public support and they said like, hey, listen, I don't believe in her political views, but I love her and I don't want my fans to bully her.

00:51:36.000 It's kind of this like union thing.

00:51:39.000 Luckily for me, my circle is surrounded by love and compassion and understanding because I will not tolerate anything else.

00:51:46.000 The outside remains to be seen if this will trickle out and support will happen.

00:51:52.000 I just really hope it changes the narrative from hate to love and listening to each other.

00:51:57.000 Well, if you ever need a change of pace, we'll send over Not Gay Jared and you can have a little circle of hate around him because he's a unifier in that sense.

00:52:04.000 Everyone just...

00:52:05.000 So, thank you so much.

00:52:07.000 We have to go.

00:52:08.000 Joy Villa, what's your album?

00:52:09.000 Where can people download it?

00:52:11.000 You can find I Make the Static on iTunes and Amazon.

00:52:15.000 And let's see if I can make the top 10 on Billboard charts.

00:52:18.000 That would be really cool.

00:52:19.000 I Make the Static on Amazon and iTunes.

00:52:21.000 I highly recommend it.

00:52:22.000 Joy Villa, please come back and join us soon.

00:52:24.000 You were fantastic.

00:52:25.000 I'd love to.

00:52:25.000 Thank you.

00:52:26.000 Thank you very much.

00:52:27.000 much.

00:52:27.000 We'll be back with Joe Rogan after this, everybody.

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00:54:59.000 Thanks for having me, man.

00:55:00.000 I'm glad to have you on.

00:55:01.000 And I know yesterday we talked about this in the first segment, the podcast.

00:55:06.000 You wrote a very nice note on Instagram, which was entirely unnecessary.

00:55:10.000 I don't want to say apologizing because you shouldn't apologize.

00:55:13.000 But I hope people see that we can have a disagreement and not hate each other.

00:55:18.000 I think that's actually productive.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, and I think so too, and what I said to you before we started was that there's, what I always try to do with a podcast is try to have a conversation, like two friends, just hanging out, and that's what I tried to do at the beginning, and I felt like Yes.

00:55:40.000 Which is fine for a little while.

00:55:42.000 One would say you almost pressured me to begin drinking.

00:55:45.000 I would say that, too.

00:55:47.000 Then it got to the marijuana subject and things got a little heated.

00:55:51.000 And, you know, I make the mistake of oftentimes communicating like I would with my friends in what I think is just a joking but aggressive way.

00:56:03.000 And I didn't anticipate your reaction to it, and you got defensive.

00:56:07.000 And one thing I didn't take into consideration that I wrote in the Instagram thing is that You get attacked a lot.

00:56:14.000 This is true.

00:56:15.000 You get attacked a lot in kind of a scary way.

00:56:17.000 And I think you've done some really bold things and some really courageous things, like the whole Muhammad thing.

00:56:24.000 I mean, you didn't have to do that, and you did it.

00:56:26.000 This is true.

00:56:28.000 Really dangerous thing.

00:56:29.000 And you get attacked so much that you're always kind of thinking that someone's setting you up.

00:56:33.000 And I didn't want you to think that I was setting you up, but I had no intention whatsoever when you came on to set you up.

00:56:39.000 I genuinely like you.

00:56:40.000 I think you're a good guy.

00:56:41.000 And I like talking to you.

00:56:42.000 And I like talking to you off air.

00:56:44.000 And I was trying to kind of recreate off air, on air.

00:56:47.000 And it didn't seem like it was happening at the beginning of the podcast.

00:56:49.000 And so that's why.

00:56:50.000 I suggested booze.

00:56:51.000 Well, no, I appreciate it.

00:56:52.000 And I will tell you, if you watch this show, too, we don't do talking points.

00:56:56.000 I know there are a lot of Republicans who do.

00:56:57.000 I just am passionate about certain issues.

00:56:59.000 I mean, if you even look at our show map, it'll just say, hey, we're going to talk about Trump on this.

00:57:03.000 We're going to talk about the Orville Redenbacher dam.

00:57:06.000 I just forgot the name of it.

00:57:07.000 And then we kind of free flow with it.

00:57:09.000 We just have certain topics that matter to us.

00:57:11.000 But listen, there's nothing more frustrating than someone coming on who's spouting a party line.

00:57:15.000 And so if you felt that way too, I mean, that would piss me off.

00:57:18.000 We've had people, I won't name names, not gay Jared knows, where it was so uncomfortable.

00:57:22.000 They just came on like, Obama is a bad president.

00:57:25.000 Like it's a meme.

00:57:26.000 They're going to get 50,000 likes.

00:57:27.000 And that sucks.

00:57:28.000 That makes for a horrible show.

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:31.000 Well, you know, I feel like people get stuck in these generalizations, and one of the things that I find myself, I'm in such a weird place, because you would probably say I'm more left than I am right, but I'm kind of neither.

00:57:41.000 I'm in some weird place.

00:57:42.000 No, I don't think that.

00:57:43.000 I think you're more right than left.

00:57:44.000 I think you haven't come to grips with it yet, yeah.

00:57:46.000 Ah, that's funny.

00:57:47.000 I really don't.

00:57:48.000 Honestly, I really think that's the case, because you see...

00:57:50.000 Here's why, and this is a compliment, but the fact that you feel compelled to even care about...

00:57:57.000 The constant attacks I get, tell me that you've recognized there's inherent bullying in the political system, and that's kind of coming from the left.

00:58:05.000 I don't think you're a conservative at all, but I think you're a free speech and a free thinking advocate, which kind of eliminates you from today's regressive left.

00:58:12.000 Isn't that bizarre?

00:58:13.000 I mean, when I was a kid, my parents were hippies.

00:58:17.000 And I grew up thinking that the left was all the people that were trying to stop this unjust war in Vietnam and, you know, they were trying to enable the civil rights movement to succeed and enable free speech and enable people to speak freely.

00:58:31.000 That's just not the case anymore.

00:58:33.000 We're in some weird down is up and up is downtime.

00:58:37.000 And for people like myself who do have a lot of left-wing ideas, who do support gay marriage, who do support so many what you would consider left ideas, you find yourself in this strange place where you're so, I'm so opposed.

00:58:53.000 Right.

00:58:53.000 To so much of these attacks on free speech and so much of the—I mean, I don't even want to call it bullying because it's more of a mob mentality thing.

00:59:01.000 It's kind of scary.

00:59:02.000 Like the Berkeley thing with Milo was scary.

00:59:05.000 And this mischaracterization of his positions on things is scary.

00:59:11.000 They're making it out like he's this evil hate monger who wants genocide.

00:59:16.000 And this is all just to justify some of the crazy things that they're doing.

00:59:20.000 Smashing Starbucks windows, lighting cop cars on fire.

00:59:23.000 You know, all this chaos that you're seeing that's being perpetrated by the left.

00:59:27.000 Someone like myself I cannot identify with that.

00:59:51.000 It's pretty clear as to where you're welcome, and it's just not on today's...

00:59:55.000 And I know you're going to have people going, oh, the left-right paradigm.

00:59:58.000 Well, it matters when there's one side of the political spectrum where it's an active part of their platform to not believe in freedom of speech.

01:00:04.000 I mean, I come from Canada, where that's what happens when the Liberal Party gets into power.

01:00:08.000 Freedom of speech, there are actual laws put into place that are eliminated.

01:00:11.000 So for me, it's not everything has to be a right or left issue.

01:00:14.000 You know, marijuana, for example, like I was talking about, I don't think that's a right or left.

01:00:17.000 I don't care.

01:00:17.000 I don't think the federal government should be involved.

01:00:19.000 I think states should be able to do whatever they want, disregarding the other stuff we were talking about.

01:00:22.000 That's no longer a right or left issue.

01:00:24.000 But the issue of freedom of speech, the issue of being open to a form of ideas, of personal decisions, that is excluded from the democratic platform today as policy.

01:00:36.000 That's why I say it when I say left.

01:00:38.000 Yeah, well, there's a tremendous amount of dishonesty and a tremendous amount of dishonesty that's being used to justify all this insane behavior.

01:00:48.000 These, you know, so-called protests that you know and I know are nothing more than mobs.

01:00:52.000 I mean, we're seeing, like, the Milo protests in particular.

01:00:55.000 When they have a person that they can single out, like the author of the University of Toronto that we discussed yesterday.

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:01.000 All of a sudden, you can't talk.

01:01:03.000 They're going to set off fire alarms.

01:01:05.000 They're going to go crazy and scream and yell.

01:01:06.000 Instead of having a dialogue, instead of having a debate, and sitting down with someone who you may or may not disagree with, and who knows, man, maybe the person's rational, maybe you can come to an understanding, or maybe you can try to figure out why that person thinks that particular way.

01:01:20.000 Instead of that, it's no debate, no talk, violence is justified, smash windows, punch Nazis.

01:01:26.000 I mean, this meme that you keep seeing, punch Nazis.

01:01:30.000 It's so bizarre, which is such a strange time.

01:01:33.000 Well, and I think a big reason, too, well, like you said, you kind of see I've been attacked a lot.

01:01:37.000 I think when it started online with YouTube, there was sort of the new atheism movement and the liberalism movement were one and the same.

01:01:44.000 So Young Turks were always buddies with the people who were sort of these new atheists.

01:01:47.000 And they had a lot of dumb Christians on YouTube going out, you know.

01:01:50.000 Why, there's still monkeys, you know?

01:01:50.000 There's evolution.

01:01:52.000 And so they lumped all Christians into that same boat.

01:01:55.000 And so immediately we'll still get comments like, oh, Crowder's logical until he believes in the flying spaghetti monster.

01:02:01.000 Well, is Jordan Peterson not a logical guy?

01:02:03.000 Like, there are people who believe in God, who are religious, for lack of a better term, who are actually still logical people.

01:02:09.000 And I think that's been a transition, people being dragged in, kicking and screaming to go, you know what?

01:02:14.000 Maybe we don't necessarily have to hate these people for this set of beliefs.

01:02:18.000 And I think that's challenged a lot of people.

01:02:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:02:23.000 I mean, now guys like Sam Harris, who is clearly a left guy, clearly a progressive, is being labeled as, you know, quote-unquote new atheist, which in some way means you're an Islamophobe and a hate monger and a war supporter.

01:02:39.000 It's very strange.

01:02:40.000 And I don't know if you saw or heard, rather, the podcast between Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson.

01:02:44.000 It was really weird.

01:02:46.000 It never got off the ground because it started off Where they were trying to figure out what the definition of truth was, and it became this very bizarre intellectual argument between Darwinian truth and real truth, and never got anywhere.

01:03:01.000 I wanted to hear them talk about religion, because Jordan is a religious guy, and I found it pretty surprising when I had him on my show.

01:03:09.000 We didn't really get into it until the last 15-20 minutes of the podcast.

01:03:15.000 He's going to come out again, and I'm going to talk to him about it some more.

01:03:17.000 But he comes at it from a very, very interesting place, in that he feels like those, like sort of a Joseph Campbell position, or really Carl Jung, like even before Campbell, where he thinks that these ideas that are espoused by religion are, like, inherently a part of the human condition.

01:03:34.000 Which I find pretty fascinating.

01:03:35.000 Well, did you hear me a question?

01:03:37.000 Why were you surprised, do you think, to find that Jordan Peterson was a Christian?

01:03:41.000 Because a great many scholars and intellectuals are not, especially when they're opposing, you know, when they're the type of people that are opposing the things that he's opposing.

01:03:53.000 Like he's opposing ideologues, he's opposing people that have This radical idea of change to the point where they're going to come up with 78 different gender pronouns they want to enforce by law.

01:04:04.000 I just thought it was shocking.

01:04:05.000 You don't see that that much in universities.

01:04:08.000 You don't see it that much in professors.

01:04:11.000 I would say you don't see that much in universities or professors because they are the ones pushing the 72 genders.

01:04:17.000 So I would argue that at that point, honestly, secularism, certainly progressivism has become more dogmatic than the faith of someone like a Jordan Peterson or myself.

01:04:27.000 For example, I don't need to say, I'm a Christian, therefore, exactly this.

01:04:31.000 You know, the Bible is not a science book, right?

01:04:33.000 And Jordan Peterson will talk about that.

01:04:34.000 But it is a moral code of conduct that advises you on how to interact with the physical world.

01:04:40.000 I think that's less dogmatic, allowing room for science as opposed to someone saying, no, no, no, no, it's hate speech if you don't accept 72 genders.

01:04:48.000 It's hate speech if you don't agree, you know, like that middle school teacher we were talking about.

01:04:51.000 And I think your reaction to being surprised is a lot of people.

01:04:56.000 But I think...

01:04:57.000 That's because a lot of Christians like myself or Jordan Peterson haven't really had the opportunity to express their own views at the table.

01:05:03.000 It's been expressed for me by someone like the Young Turks or for someone like Jordan Peterson by, you know, insert liberal website here for the longest time until now we're straight with the microphone.

01:05:15.000 Yeah, I think as soon as you start talking about a deity, people automatically lump you in with the Moonies and any other fringe group that they can attach you to.

01:05:24.000 What's interesting is you can say you're a Buddhist.

01:05:27.000 And people go, ah, not only do no one, but you also, like, you get kind of like progressive street cred.

01:05:34.000 Yes.

01:05:35.000 Bob's a Buddhist.

01:05:36.000 He eats tofu.

01:05:37.000 He does tantric yogi.

01:05:39.000 Yeah, he holds his orgasms.

01:05:42.000 He internalizes them.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:45.000 It's weird what is accepted and what's not accepted in this world in terms of the guidelines that you live your life by.

01:05:52.000 As soon as you believe in some sort of a higher power, and I have a lot of friends that have this non-defined higher power, like my good friend Duncan Trussell, who is a big proponent of psychedelic drugs and meditation, and he's a deist.

01:06:06.000 He believes that there is some higher power, and he's He's pretty open about it.

01:06:10.000 But, you know, he's gotten there through psychedelic experiences and meditation and just contemplating the greater nature of the universe, which is a weird, weird sort of an angle to go around it.

01:06:21.000 But in a lot of progressive circles, that's more accepted than someone who looks at the positive teachings of someone like Christ and adopts those as guidelines to live your life.

01:06:33.000 I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I think the reason for that is a good example you brought up, Buddhism.

01:06:38.000 It's because it's sort of situational ethics, right?

01:06:40.000 A lot of it.

01:06:40.000 It's not going to offend a lot of people.

01:06:42.000 Now, if someone says they're a Christian, there is a certain number one with a bullet, listen...

01:06:46.000 This is a dividing line, Christ sitting on a sword.

01:06:49.000 I believe that this is the truth.

01:06:51.000 You know, it's not all religions are the same.

01:06:53.000 You can't be a Christian and believe that.

01:06:54.000 Doesn't mean you have to go out and kill people or proselytize to people who don't like you.

01:06:58.000 But it is much more of a definitive stand than the universe or Buddhism.

01:07:03.000 And I think that's inherently offensive because people feel judged.

01:07:06.000 Yeah.

01:07:08.000 Yeah, I think we're in some sort of a weird impasse when it comes to religion and modern culture.

01:07:13.000 And I think people absolutely need a code of conduct.

01:07:18.000 It helps you.

01:07:19.000 And it can absolutely be in the way I describe it as like scaffolding for like figuring out how you're interfaced with the world.

01:07:26.000 You know, you have things that you can hold on to.

01:07:28.000 And then from there, you kind of navigate your own way.

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:31.000 Well, I think that's true.

01:07:32.000 And listen, that's the big thing.

01:07:34.000 We're not trying to kill people.

01:07:35.000 That's why if you draw a picture of Christ, you don't have to deal with the FBI counterterrorism unit as I do for Bob Ross drawing Muhammad.

01:07:41.000 Little blue eyes.

01:07:43.000 Did you ever read Michael Shermer's piece on Islam?

01:07:47.000 Probably.

01:07:48.000 I would need to pull it up and remember.

01:07:49.000 It's a recent piece that he did within the last six months or so, but it was about Islam being the only religion that didn't go through the Enlightenment.

01:07:59.000 And it's really fascinating in terms of the history of religions.

01:08:04.000 You go back in history and look at Christianity during the Inquisition, and you see some horrific acts that were attributed to Christians.

01:08:15.000 But The reality is those acts don't reflect any of the teachings of Christ.

01:08:21.000 So it's real weird, like, what we decide is okay and what we decide is not okay and where it fits in history.

01:08:28.000 Well, and I make this argument, not if we don't want to continue in religion, we don't have to.

01:08:32.000 I make the argument where you have to go to the founders of the feast, Christ and Muhammad.

01:08:36.000 And the Acts of the Inquisitions, first off, people look back.

01:08:38.000 They were largely political, you know?

01:08:40.000 There were more Christians obviously killed than anyone else.

01:08:42.000 This was a political battle fought over sort of sects of a religion.

01:08:45.000 And there's no way to actually reconcile that with teachings of Christ versus Muhammad, who did decapitate people, who did beat the shit out of his wife, who did call for the deaths of Christians and Jews.

01:08:56.000 My point is, you know, if you're, you know, like if you're aiming, you're a hunter, right?

01:08:59.000 If you're 400 yards out, just a little bit off mark, right, you can be dozens of yards off mark the further out you get.

01:09:07.000 So if you're starting just a little Well, and also, let's just be frank, if you're living in 2017 and you think that if you draw a cartoon of somebody, That you should be put to death.

01:09:25.000 You're not compatible.

01:09:27.000 Right.

01:09:28.000 Unless it's Elena Dunham's dad's paintings.

01:09:30.000 Those are pretty...

01:09:31.000 What?

01:09:31.000 Unless it's Elena Dunham's dad's paintings.

01:09:33.000 What kind of paintings did he have?

01:09:35.000 She must have been high in that first podcast we did.

01:09:37.000 You Googled it.

01:09:37.000 Remember?

01:09:38.000 It's just hairy, angry vaginas.

01:09:39.000 Remember Carol Dunham?

01:09:40.000 That's right.

01:09:41.000 The first podcast, we went into that.

01:09:42.000 Dude, you have a Elena Dunham fetish.

01:09:45.000 Well, because she just keeps speaking.

01:09:47.000 It's kind of like Samantha Bee.

01:09:49.000 It's like, if you just shut up for one minute, we could move on.

01:09:51.000 You know, Lena Dunham said, I haven't had an abortion, but I wish I did.

01:09:54.000 And it's like, well, I'm scratching off the General Flynn story because Lena Dunham said some really stupid shit.

01:09:59.000 And they just never, they don't stop giving us gifts.

01:10:02.000 That's why.

01:10:03.000 Houston did months of therapy for Joe to forget those images.

01:10:06.000 You remember those paintings, don't you?

01:10:07.000 I do now.

01:10:09.000 See, you know what?

01:10:10.000 I have a real problem that I do too many podcasts and I see too many things.

01:10:15.000 And there's just, my brain has just run out of hard drive space.

01:10:19.000 Angry cartoon and vaginas generally rings a bell.

01:10:22.000 Generally it should ring a bell.

01:10:24.000 He said angry hairy vaginas like yellow submarine should generally ring a bell.

01:10:28.000 As soon as you brought it up, I found the folder in my head.

01:10:31.000 I was like, oh yeah.

01:10:33.000 I pulled it out, but I had filed that away.

01:10:35.000 It was in the delete drawer.

01:10:37.000 I just never got to it.

01:10:39.000 It was still in the trash bin.

01:10:40.000 It hadn't yet been emptied and cleaned my Mac.

01:10:42.000 Yeah, we didn't have this conversation.

01:10:43.000 I for sure would have forgotten that within, you know, six months.

01:10:47.000 It would have been gone forever.

01:10:48.000 Yes.

01:10:49.000 Well, okay, so we don't have a ton of time.

01:10:51.000 Looking back kind of on yesterday, because if you look at kind of obviously the backlash, I think for both of us involved, what do you think, and I'll say, what do you think we should have done differently to be more productive, I guess?

01:11:01.000 We definitely shouldn't have gotten drunk.

01:11:02.000 For me.

01:11:03.000 I wasn't drunk.

01:11:05.000 You weren't drunk.

01:11:06.000 I really wasn't drunk.

01:11:06.000 No, I had one beer.

01:11:08.000 Okay.

01:11:08.000 Well, you had a little whiskey too, right?

01:11:10.000 That stuff was awful, Gentleman Jack.

01:11:11.000 We'll get you some real bourbon.

01:11:14.000 I kind of like the fact that it's awful.

01:11:17.000 But also, I think...

01:11:19.000 I need to get to know you better.

01:11:21.000 And we both don't get weird over conversations like that.

01:11:26.000 We can't just look at facts and pull things up.

01:11:29.000 And I didn't want you to think that Jamie was ganging up on you.

01:11:33.000 And that's where things went bad.

01:11:36.000 When you were stating something about the highway fatalities, and it was contrary to what I thought was the case.

01:11:43.000 And then we pulled up the facts.

01:11:44.000 I didn't want you to think that we were ganging up on you.

01:11:46.000 I just wanted to find out, was I wrong?

01:11:49.000 Were you right?

01:11:50.000 Were you wrong?

01:11:51.000 Not to revisit it.

01:11:53.000 Not to revisit it.

01:11:53.000 But can I bring up something I didn't have time to yesterday?

01:11:56.000 Sure.

01:11:56.000 And this is something I think is important.

01:11:57.000 Because, respectfully, Jamie is not experienced in sourcing articles or looking up news to the same degree that we are.

01:12:03.000 So the very thing he brought up, I remember, and here's, because I was talking about this earlier, my mental monologue.

01:12:08.000 I thought, oh no, I've screwed up here.

01:12:10.000 You know what, Joe?

01:12:11.000 I think you're probably right.

01:12:11.000 I'll give it to you.

01:12:12.000 And the reason why was because Jamie brought up factcheck.org.

01:12:15.000 That was the main source he brought up.

01:12:16.000 No, he brought up Washington Post.

01:12:18.000 And it was originally from the factcheck.org was the source they were talking about.

01:12:22.000 So there were a couple that he brought up.

01:12:23.000 But I remember when he brought up factcheck.org, I saw it and I thought, oh, crap, because I've read that and we've written about that.

01:12:29.000 I remember thinking, you know what?

01:12:31.000 I must have read that wrong, because that's actually an article we've sourced, and it must have meant the opposite.

01:12:37.000 Because right below what he highlighted, it actually did say Gary Johnson was wrong.

01:12:41.000 Increases in the incidences were significant.

01:12:44.000 Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 154% between 06 to 014.

01:12:48.000 This was in his source that he brought up.

01:12:50.000 So my point is, I can't read it, right?

01:12:52.000 And this is why I get defensive.

01:12:54.000 I can't read it because the TV's not working.

01:12:56.000 I can't know what Jamie's bringing up.

01:12:58.000 I'm going on memory.

01:12:59.000 He has a never-ending cheat sheet.

01:13:01.000 And there's no way that I can argue with that.

01:13:04.000 And I would say, you're right about this.

01:13:07.000 I'm incorrect.

01:13:08.000 When I get defensive, it was when two people are saying, admit that you're lying, that it's bullshit.

01:13:12.000 And I'm really looking at his own sources.

01:13:14.000 I don't think I was.

01:13:17.000 Well, I don't think we were saying you were lying.

01:13:19.000 What I think we were saying is you were incorrect.

01:13:21.000 And I have read multiple things that said that the traffic fatalities decreased, particularly in Colorado.

01:13:28.000 Right.

01:13:29.000 Who's right or who's wrong?

01:13:30.000 I don't know.

01:13:30.000 I mean, we'd have to go seriously digging.

01:13:32.000 Right.

01:13:33.000 But his own source said that's wrong, is my point.

01:13:35.000 And in real time, I can't fact check him because I don't have a computer, right?

01:13:39.000 Right.

01:13:39.000 And he brought up also that that could also be attributed to the fact that the population of Denver, Colorado, increased substantially once marijuana became legal as well.

01:13:47.000 You have to factor that in.

01:13:48.000 Right.

01:13:48.000 I think...

01:13:49.000 I think when you're talking about driving impaired, I do not think that marijuana has the same effect as alcohol.

01:13:56.000 It certainly doesn't.

01:13:57.000 However, I don't think it's a good idea to drive f***ed up, whether you're on marijuana, especially on edibles.

01:14:03.000 I mean, edibles have...

01:14:04.000 Hold on a second.

01:14:05.000 That wasn't even a part of the equation.

01:14:07.000 I really would advise against that.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:10.000 Well, edibles have a profound psychedelic effect.

01:14:13.000 Edibles, when processed by your liver, produce this substance called 11-hydroxy metabolite.

01:14:21.000 THC is processed by the liver.

01:14:23.000 It's five times more psychoactive than THC, which is why I'm sure you've heard that famous 911 call where the cops stole some pot from some kids and made brownies out of it and then called 911 on themselves.

01:14:34.000 And they said, I think we're dead.

01:14:36.000 I think we're dying.

01:14:37.000 Time's moving by really slow.

01:14:38.000 Please send help.

01:14:39.000 Was that not pot?

01:14:40.000 They were hallucinogenic?

01:14:41.000 It was edibles.

01:14:42.000 Okay, it was edibles.

01:14:43.000 They had just eaten a tremendous amount of edibles.

01:14:45.000 And edibles have a completely different psychoactive effect.

01:14:49.000 It's a psychedelic effect.

01:14:51.000 And it can be insanely confusing to you, and there's no way in hell you should be driving when you're f***ed up on edibles.

01:14:58.000 I think we both agree on that.

01:14:59.000 And another thing that we kind of glossed over, but it is a very important point, I think we both agree that you shouldn't do anything that's mind-altering when your brain is developing.

01:15:09.000 Whether it's things that you and I probably both did, like I drank when I was like 14 to 15 a bunch of times.

01:15:14.000 Really shouldn't do it.

01:15:15.000 It shouldn't be done.

01:15:16.000 It shouldn't be encouraged.

01:15:17.000 You shouldn't do it.

01:15:18.000 And the same thing I think you could say for hard drugs, for things like marijuana, for mushrooms.

01:15:23.000 It's a lot of stuff that people do, particularly people that may or may not be inclined to have addictive tendencies.

01:15:31.000 Right.

01:15:32.000 Well, no, I would agree with you on that.

01:15:34.000 And I think – and that's why I wanted to be clear.

01:15:36.000 I don't care.

01:15:37.000 I think people should be able to smoke pot.

01:15:39.000 I support CBD. I support where it's medicinally useful.

01:15:42.000 My only issue was when people completely deny the potential negative consequences.

01:15:46.000 And so I know that the second that goes into it, right, people can get really defensive on this issue.

01:15:50.000 I'm not trying to take anyone's pot away.

01:15:52.000 But I agree with you on that.

01:15:53.000 And I do feel – because a lot of times if you present anything, right, if you look at a lot of your audience, they'll say that's anti-pot propaganda – Well, there are actually a lot more studies coming out with millennials saying it's completely harmless or light up than me saying, hey, listen, if you're an adult, you're healthy, it's probably fine.

01:16:09.000 But because over half my audience will be in that developing phase, and I think you have a pretty young audience, I do feel the need to curb it and say, listen, but you really shouldn't.

01:16:18.000 It's not harmless.

01:16:19.000 It's not like having a beer if you're 19 years old.

01:16:23.000 It can be pretty problematic for you as a young person.

01:16:27.000 And that's just where I feel like I need to be intellectually honest.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, I think you'd have to wonder what the dosage actually is between like a small puff of pot or a beer, like which one has more of a detrimental effect, particularly for someone who doesn't drink.

01:16:39.000 A beer can really get you pretty drunk if you're a young kid.

01:16:43.000 But not the permanent effect on the frontal lobe as it's developing.

01:16:46.000 Is it different?

01:16:46.000 Yeah, there is.

01:16:47.000 Is there a difference between alcohol and marijuana on 14-year-olds?

01:16:49.000 Yes, big difference.

01:16:51.000 And we did have a psychiatrist who said, listen, your body can process a certain amount of alcohol.

01:16:54.000 Again, just like she said, do not, do not drink when you're young.

01:16:57.000 She said, however, your brain actually is at an accelerated rate, that frontal lobe, which is really in control of your self-awareness, right?

01:17:03.000 Your awareness of self, which, you know, that's why a lot of people take psychedelic mushrooms to become hyperly aware of themselves.

01:17:08.000 Some people anyway.

01:17:09.000 She said for the developing brain, which is comprised largely of fat, marijuana specifically can affect that frontal lobe, which can fundamentally alter your ability to make self-aware judgments.

01:17:21.000 And she said that's why she lectures across the country.

01:17:24.000 And she's like, listen, she's a libertarian.

01:17:26.000 If people are older, fine, do it.

01:17:28.000 So I think that's a pretty balanced approach.

01:17:30.000 And I would agree with that.

01:17:32.000 I've not smoked pot.

01:17:34.000 I'm open about that.

01:17:36.000 But that was really the only point I was making.

01:17:38.000 And I feel like we both dug in our heels and we agreed probably on a lot more than we disagreed.

01:17:43.000 I think you're right.

01:17:43.000 I think we definitely both dug in our heels.

01:17:45.000 And like I said, there's a lot involved in that.

01:17:47.000 First of all, I got a hangover from this guy pipe that you left me.

01:17:51.000 Really?

01:17:52.000 I'm gonna send you an article on how to use it properly.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, the tobacco.

01:17:57.000 I was high as a kite from it, for sure.

01:17:59.000 From the tobacco?

01:18:00.000 Yeah, before I even started drinking, my head was spinning.

01:18:04.000 I definitely was inhaling a bunch of times.

01:18:07.000 You shouldn't do that.

01:18:09.000 No, no, and I don't say that because of high.

01:18:10.000 I said because you can actually get little flecks of tobacco in your lungs.

01:18:14.000 That's not filtered.

01:18:15.000 Yeah, I just got here from a yoga class.

01:18:17.000 I took a 90-minute yoga class.

01:18:18.000 I might have coughed some of that up in there.

01:18:19.000 You might cough it up.

01:18:22.000 Some little flakes of tobacco might have come out.

01:18:24.000 Why is Joe behaving like the girl from The Exorcist?

01:18:28.000 Yeah, and I would say this.

01:18:30.000 I will say in my mind, too.

01:18:31.000 So I thought, well, did I screw up?

01:18:33.000 And I looked back now, and we talked about it early in the show.

01:18:35.000 I don't think I did.

01:18:36.000 I don't back down the statements that I've made as far as my position.

01:18:40.000 I don't think that you're wrong.

01:18:42.000 My point is, if you look at the articles and how we sourced it, I knew we weren't bullshitting.

01:18:47.000 And I know because, like you said, the left is always going, they're full of shit!

01:18:50.000 This is a lie!

01:18:51.000 I know, hold on a second.

01:18:52.000 This went up.

01:18:53.000 We had a AAA study, the fact-check study.

01:18:55.000 There's a difference between bullshitting and having a difference of opinion looking at interpreting data.

01:19:01.000 And I wanted to make that clear.

01:19:03.000 Because I will still say, the jury can be out.

01:19:06.000 And you may be right.

01:19:07.000 But it was certainly, I think, a study worthy of note.

01:19:10.000 And then on my side, what I would change is, because I know you're Joe Rogan, obviously.

01:19:13.000 I mean, alpha brain, alpha male.

01:19:16.000 I've seen you run roughshod over people who are like, well...

01:19:19.000 Okay, Joe, and they get scared, and I didn't want to be that guy, because I knew you wouldn't respect that guy who just goes, okay.

01:19:27.000 Maybe you would.

01:19:28.000 Well, I mean, I didn't want you to be defensive, if that's what you mean.

01:19:32.000 I didn't expect you to dig your heels in.

01:19:34.000 I didn't expect you to be submissive either.

01:19:36.000 I just wanted to have a conversation.

01:19:38.000 It just didn't go well.

01:19:40.000 It's only part of it that didn't go well, which is fascinating, because we had a five-hour podcast.

01:19:47.000 I mean, that was a f***ing long podcast.

01:19:49.000 And out of that podcast, what was it, like 20 minutes of it, we talked about pot, and that's all anybody is focusing on.

01:19:55.000 Well, that's because that's what Jamie uploaded as a highlight, too.

01:19:59.000 No, he didn't.

01:20:00.000 Did somebody upload it as a highlight?

01:20:02.000 Maybe somebody else did.

01:20:03.000 I don't know.

01:20:04.000 No, I think somebody else did.

01:20:05.000 But either way, the conversations that we had before that were very civil.

01:20:11.000 And then we ended very civil, too.

01:20:13.000 But I think people have this tendency to gravitate towards conflict.

01:20:16.000 They enjoy it.

01:20:17.000 It's like, have you ever gone to, I'm sure you have, you go to a fighter's page after a UFC bout and you read all the talk that people say to them?

01:20:27.000 It's horrendous.

01:20:28.000 I mean, my favorite page is Mark Hunt after his fights or something happens.

01:20:32.000 You just read it.

01:20:33.000 He's just like, steroids, mate.

01:20:35.000 It just goes in and you just say, hang me out to dry.

01:20:35.000 Everything.

01:20:37.000 The UFC, you, Brock Lesnar.

01:20:39.000 You're sitting here like, Mark, just tone it back.

01:20:41.000 This is going to be admissible.

01:20:42.000 That was Mark.

01:20:43.000 I was talking about fans.

01:20:44.000 I mean, fans like after like Ronda Rousey recently lost, I went and checked like some of her, like the online things, the things that people were saying about her.

01:20:54.000 People love – they love jumping in on something that really doesn't – they're not really connected to it, but they connect themselves to it.

01:21:01.000 They love conflict where essentially nothing is at stake for them, but they can really get whatever rocks off they have.

01:21:08.000 Well, they jumped on you when Ronda Rousey lost.

01:21:10.000 Some people are like – some people tweet me like, hey, why don't you talk to your friend Rogan about him saying she's the best ever?

01:21:15.000 Tell him he's a little bitch.

01:21:16.000 He knows where to find me.

01:21:18.000 I'll be like – Like, literally, you're tweeting me to tweet Joe because he liked Ronda Rousey and she lost, and this is the internet.

01:21:18.000 I'll get tweets like that.

01:21:25.000 Well, we've talked about this before.

01:21:27.000 The beautiful thing about the internet is everyone can talk.

01:21:30.000 The terrible thing about the internet is...

01:21:33.000 Everyone can talk.

01:21:33.000 Yeah, everyone can talk.

01:21:35.000 But you're doing, what, 100 million downloads per month or something like that?

01:21:38.000 Yeah, something along there, yeah.

01:21:41.000 Gosh, think about that for a second.

01:21:43.000 Think about when people say, oh, we're never going to have the ratings of when it used to be three networks, like ABC, NBC, CBS. You're getting close.

01:21:50.000 Podcasts are there.

01:21:51.000 Yeah.

01:21:52.000 I mean, they're pretty close.

01:21:53.000 I'm sure if you looked at like Serial and some of the really big podcasts, NPR and some of the other ones that are always number one, I'm sure they're probably at network sitcom hit levels.

01:22:04.000 I would bet yours is bigger.

01:22:05.000 You know why?

01:22:06.000 Because you have YouTube and they don't.

01:22:07.000 Yeah, there's that too.

01:22:09.000 There's also Stitcher and there's a lot of people that download podcasts now because it's so easy to get.

01:22:17.000 Podcasts are instantaneously available.

01:22:21.000 You pause it whenever you want.

01:22:22.000 It syncs up to your car.

01:22:23.000 It's really the perfect medium for audio entertainment.

01:22:26.000 Yeah, I haven't used my radio in a very, very long time.

01:22:29.000 I plug in my phone, and that's the same thing with you.

01:22:32.000 Well, you have one of those new Kias, which looks like a Lexus.

01:22:35.000 Hey, Joe, do you think some people, like some potheads, are downloading your thing more than once?

01:22:38.000 That would make us feel better about our numbers.

01:22:41.000 Because they forgot.

01:22:42.000 There's a possibility.

01:22:43.000 In case, yeah, they could be like, dude, I swear I downloaded it.

01:22:46.000 It's not here, man!

01:22:49.000 I lost my phone.

01:22:50.000 I got it downloaded again.

01:22:52.000 That certainly could be happening.

01:22:54.000 It makes us feel better.

01:22:55.000 Whenever you're dealing with downloads, who knows what the actual number of individual humans are.

01:23:01.000 It's a lot.

01:23:03.000 It's a weird thing.

01:23:06.000 I get recognized for it more than anything now, wherever I go.

01:23:10.000 Fear factor, I don't get recognized for anymore, hardly ever.

01:23:14.000 It's UFC, but number one is podcast.

01:23:17.000 Let me ask you this, because I will not to be arrogant, but that's been not good.

01:23:20.000 Jared knows that's been happening more and more with me and him.

01:23:23.000 Pretty much any time I go out now, I'm recognized.

01:23:25.000 And because of, obviously, the security threats that we've dealt with, how do you feel?

01:23:30.000 I mean, I'm always grateful and I always try and be.

01:23:33.000 But how do you handle those situations?

01:23:34.000 Let's say if you're in an airport or you're in a rush and someone wants to take pictures, what's your approach to it?

01:23:41.000 If I can, I do.

01:23:42.000 It's just a bunch of people being nice for the most part.

01:23:46.000 99.99% of it is a bunch of people being nice.

01:23:48.000 - You know, occasionally there's people that have, they have the wrong idea of you because they've never actually met you in person.

01:23:56.000 You could formulate an idea on a person based on a quote that you read or a video clip that you saw and you could decide they're a piece of shit and run it over in your head until you've defined that person.

01:24:06.000 But when you meet them and they're nice, you know, like, hey, man, how you doing?

01:24:09.000 Oh, hey, what's up?

01:24:10.000 You know, it's like, what are you going to do?

01:24:12.000 You realize it's just a person.

01:24:14.000 And most of the time when I meet people, they're just people that are being nice to me.

01:24:18.000 So it's fine for the most part.

01:24:20.000 I've had it go both ways, believe it or not.

01:24:23.000 Yeah, but it makes me paranoid a little bit, because even if someone is really nice...

01:24:27.000 You know, you should be because of the, you know, Islamic factor, you know, and you should be because of also, really, because of the feminist factor and the left-wing factor.

01:24:34.000 I mean, a lot of the stuff that you've done, I've seen people write some really hateful shit about you.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, I'm okay with that.

01:24:41.000 What I'm not okay with is someone trying to punch me.

01:24:44.000 That's always less pleasant in my day-to-day ongoings.

01:24:49.000 Don't you go back, though, to the one union guy that wanted to punch you and just a little head movement?

01:24:54.000 No.

01:24:54.000 You know why?

01:24:56.000 My instinct was head and elbow collar tie.

01:25:00.000 Here's the thing, too.

01:25:01.000 This is something I will talk about.

01:25:02.000 You want to talk about this?

01:25:02.000 This is something that really has bothered me for a long time.

01:25:04.000 The guy, the prosecuting attorney, right?

01:25:07.000 So this is probably how people were introduced to me, who you've had on your show.

01:25:10.000 They go, oh, Crowder clearly shoved that guy down and then video recorded it.

01:25:14.000 Well, if you go on my channel now, you can see two simultaneous shots for 12 minutes.

01:25:18.000 The guy is drunk.

01:25:19.000 He trips.

01:25:20.000 I mean, how can I shove him down?

01:25:21.000 He's coming into me this way, right?

01:25:23.000 He's on the attack.

01:25:24.000 So it didn't happen.

01:25:25.000 I sent over 20-something gigabytes to the local police.

01:25:30.000 They said, and you'll love this because it's a conspiracy about the cops.

01:25:33.000 They said, you can't file a police report by phone.

01:25:34.000 Of course you can.

01:25:36.000 And then the prosecuting attorney never took the 20-something gigabytes that I sent.

01:25:40.000 If you read the statement in Washington Post, he said, I watched the commentary of the incident from the Young Turks.

01:25:45.000 It's pretty clear the other guy instigated it.

01:25:48.000 And they ran on that.

01:25:49.000 The other guy meaning you?

01:25:50.000 Yeah.

01:25:51.000 Yeah, me.

01:25:52.000 The Young Turks were saying that you instigated it?

01:25:54.000 And the prosecuting attorney didn't watch my footage.

01:25:56.000 He watched the Young Turks video and cited it as his proof in holding a deposition with the guy who punched me when I was never notified.

01:26:03.000 I was never there.

01:26:04.000 And he let him off because of a Young Turks video saying, Crowder clearly punched him first.

01:26:08.000 Have you ever met, Cenk?

01:26:10.000 No, my brother has.

01:26:14.000 Apparently, and he said, he said, he said, he said, as a young turks and his friend one time, it was a total accident.

01:26:20.000 He wasn't meaning his friend said, what young turds?

01:26:22.000 He never heard it.

01:26:23.000 And Chank turned around like if looks could kill.

01:26:27.000 And he also had a patina of grease.

01:26:31.000 Well, people should know what a nice guy you are, that you were actually saying last night that you kind of feel bad that he gets those remarks about bacon grease, about eating bacon grease.

01:26:41.000 Well, you know why?

01:26:42.000 And this is what I was saying with you and Jamie, because I've been on every news network, you name it, I've been on there.

01:26:47.000 You're smart to really not do it so much.

01:26:49.000 But you had it when you weren't politically correct with Bill Maher.

01:26:51.000 I remember a long time ago.

01:26:52.000 Of all people, Bill Maher, and they were all attacking you for fear factor.

01:26:56.000 I've been in enough, you know, doggy pylons, right, where I was brought on as the only conservative.

01:27:01.000 So I never want to do that with someone else.

01:27:04.000 So I kind of feel guilty in the sense that it was meant to be a funny sketch.

01:27:08.000 Right?

01:27:08.000 And so I did sketches with people the Young Turks have attacked.

01:27:11.000 But I didn't want people to go over and troll their channel and doggy pile.

01:27:15.000 I never want them to think that I'm doing what they did, which is like, everybody, let's attack them.

01:27:20.000 And so I always feel a little bad about that.

01:27:21.000 Is that what they do?

01:27:22.000 Do they really tell people to attack you?

01:27:24.000 They used to all the time.

01:27:26.000 I mean, not necessarily just me, but that was what they would do.

01:27:28.000 Like, this guy on YouTube, he's an idiot.

01:27:29.000 This is his channel.

01:27:31.000 CollegeHumor and some of those other groups.

01:27:33.000 CollegeHumor recently was like, tweet this guy.

01:27:35.000 Oh, you want to know what it was with CollegeHumor?

01:27:36.000 I swear you, this is true.

01:27:37.000 This is when...

01:27:38.000 Sorry, I think you probably have to go.

01:27:39.000 But this is more conversational than it was yesterday.

01:27:41.000 Look at this.

01:27:43.000 College humor.

01:27:44.000 Maybe it would be better if I did your show instead of you doing mine.

01:27:47.000 Maybe you just get a little weird coming over here, man.

01:27:49.000 Or maybe it was the two caveman nitros that you drank.

01:27:52.000 More than 500 milligrams of caffeine in your system.

01:27:52.000 I did drink two.

01:27:56.000 And I came from coffee bean tea leaf and had a nitro there.

01:27:59.000 So that probably could have been it.

01:28:01.000 But what was I talking about there?

01:28:03.000 There was something...

01:28:04.000 College humor.

01:28:05.000 Oh, college humor.

01:28:06.000 So there was a trend going on at one point where it was like body shaming and stuff, and it was on Twitter.

01:28:11.000 And so I actually tweeted out, because it was all about female body shaming, and I tweeted out that famous image of Fedor, you know, with him and the kettlebells, you know, with the mirror.

01:28:18.000 And I tweeted out, this is what the ideal male body is.

01:28:22.000 You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

01:28:25.000 And it was satire of some other tweet.

01:28:27.000 Well, there was an autocorrect...

01:28:28.000 Instead of male, it said make.

01:28:31.000 And College Schumer went with this like, hey, Tweet Crowder, how dumb he is!

01:28:36.000 And like 50,000 things.

01:28:37.000 It tried to turn into a meme.

01:28:38.000 It was like, he's a f***git because he wants to have sex with Fedor.

01:28:41.000 And none of them had any idea who Fedor Milianenko was.

01:28:44.000 And you get occasional comment like, oh yeah, that's Fedor.

01:28:46.000 That's a really good point.

01:28:49.000 Yeah, Fedor was like the epitome of, like, he had that dad bod thing going on and he was beating the shit out of everybody.

01:28:57.000 That's one of the things that people loved about Fedor.

01:28:59.000 It's like when Ron Jeremy was the king of porn.

01:29:02.000 And you were like, that guy's not threatening at all.

01:29:05.000 Like, that could be me, man.

01:29:06.000 I could be that plumber.

01:29:07.000 I could be that little guy.

01:29:10.000 It seemed like it was realistic, whereas these guys with the six-packs and the perfect hair, they're like, oh, I could never be that guy.

01:29:17.000 I can't even watch this stuff.

01:29:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:20.000 You know, represented like a regular, I mean, obviously a fit guy, obviously an athletic guy, but very regular looking as opposed to someone like, you know, like Czech Congo, who's like shredded and jacked.

01:29:33.000 Which, by the way, I love how when Chet Kongo and Mirko Krokop got into arguments, they both tacitly admitted that they did steroids.

01:29:38.000 Where he was like, he said, I think Krokop takes steroids.

01:29:41.000 And Krokop's answer was like, and he just got that way from eating vegetables?

01:29:44.000 Like, he never said no.

01:29:47.000 Well, Cro Cop's been pretty open about it.

01:29:50.000 When he got the last thing with the UFC, before he had to go to Ryzen, he had a shoulder injury.

01:29:56.000 And he's like, look, I had to take some stuff to try to heal my shoulder.

01:29:59.000 I wanted to keep fighting.

01:30:00.000 I know you've been open about it.

01:30:02.000 Do you do the growth hormone as you get older because of the neck injuries and stuff?

01:30:06.000 Or what is it that you think is most important?

01:30:08.000 It's hormone replacement therapy.

01:30:10.000 The idea behind it is as you get older, you know, I'm 49, your body just doesn't produce hormones at the same level it did when you were younger.

01:30:17.000 And as long as you do it, if you do it correctly, meaning you don't take too much, you make sure you take small amounts that bring you to the levels of a healthy man, like say like a 27-year-old healthy person.

01:30:31.000 Like that is where you want to be.

01:30:34.000 And that's why Sylvester Stallone looks the way he looks at 70.

01:30:39.000 Wow.

01:30:41.000 He's probably taken some pretty high levels.

01:30:43.000 Probably more than what I take.

01:30:45.000 Yeah.

01:30:45.000 I don't know, though.

01:30:46.000 But I know that there's a lot of people that do that now.

01:30:48.000 It's a very, very common thing.

01:30:49.000 But it's also a stigmatized thing where people don't want to talk about it.

01:30:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:52.000 It's one of those things where people are ashamed to admit that they take synthetic hormones or...

01:30:59.000 You know, and most fighters actually have a really balanced view on that.

01:31:02.000 You know, Tim Kennedy, who's the most outspoken against PED, said he's like, but listen, if you're not fighting, you're older.

01:31:06.000 He's like, I think it's a good thing to use modern chemical enhancements to keep you younger, just not when you're in the cage punching people in the face.

01:31:13.000 And that would be another position where it's like, oh, there's nuance.

01:31:15.000 That makes sense.

01:31:16.000 But you're going to get people on both sides.

01:31:18.000 He's a fag.

01:31:18.000 He's an idiot.

01:31:19.000 Like, OK, this is the Internet.

01:31:20.000 This is how it works.

01:31:21.000 Well, that's how it always is.

01:31:23.000 But I would submit to those people, once you become my age, you realize the massive benefits of taking testosterone replacement therapy.

01:31:31.000 And then if you don't do it, your immune system suffers.

01:31:34.000 You need more sleep to recover from things.

01:31:36.000 You don't feel as well.

01:31:37.000 You don't have as much mental energy.

01:31:39.000 It's just a fact.

01:31:40.000 And I think it's...

01:31:43.000 We have a short amount of time in this life, and I want to optimize that time.

01:31:47.000 I want to enjoy it as much as possible, and I like doing a lot of physical things.

01:31:50.000 I love doing jujitsu.

01:31:51.000 I love working out.

01:31:53.000 When I go hunting, you have to be in really good shape to hunt mountains.

01:31:57.000 All these things require a body that really works well, and one of the ways that I mitigate those issues is through strength and conditioning workouts and through testosterone replacement therapy.

01:32:07.000 As well as nutrition and all the other things.

01:32:10.000 I'm a big believer in maximizing every single possible area of your body and your mind that you can.

01:32:16.000 You're like Dolph Lundgren and Rocky IV, hooked up to a bunch of electro-transmitters.

01:32:21.000 I have that with my thyroid, too.

01:32:22.000 I take a pill that's actually just ground up beef thyroid every day because I have hypothyroidism.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, I have that too.

01:32:28.000 Oh, really?

01:32:29.000 Do you?

01:32:29.000 Yeah.

01:32:30.000 Did it take a long time for them to figure it out?

01:32:31.000 Because for me, since I wasn't really overweight, they were like, we weren't going to check for it because you're relatively fit, and it was like a diabetic 300-pound woman.

01:32:40.000 Yeah, I was getting headaches, and they couldn't figure out why I was getting these headaches, but at the end of the night, I would just be so tired.

01:32:47.000 At the end of the day, I'd be so tired.

01:32:49.000 It was like I was drugged, like I was in pain, and no one could figure it out, and I finally went to a doctor, and it turns out my mom has it, and my sister has it.

01:32:59.000 It's a really hereditary thing.

01:33:00.000 It's very common.

01:33:01.000 It's pretty controversial.

01:33:02.000 Apparently, there's some ways to mitigate those issues with diet that I really should look into, but I know the people through There's a diet called Primal Blueprint Diet.

01:33:18.000 It's basically a modified ketogenic diet, but by concentrating on healthy fats, which also are the building blocks for a lot of hormones.

01:33:30.000 Once I got on the diet, I actually lowered the amount of testosterone I take because my testosterone jacked way up from eating more healthy fats, which is the substrate for testosterone and hormones.

01:33:41.000 Well, not gay Jared has to be careful because he has no colon.

01:33:44.000 So his diet is...

01:33:45.000 What is your diet?

01:33:46.000 Skittles are not prescribed.

01:33:48.000 Well, I mean, it depends on what Dr.

01:33:49.000 you owe to.

01:33:50.000 I find the right ones.

01:33:51.000 So...

01:33:53.000 He doctor shops like Rush Limbaugh did for Oxy.

01:33:55.000 Some sketchy doctors handing him candy bars.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, I know.

01:33:59.000 Alright, well, Mr.

01:33:59.000 Joe Rogan, thank you so much for being here, sir.

01:34:01.000 We appreciate it.

01:34:02.000 I'm glad.

01:34:02.000 Hopefully people see this and think, oh, okay, we'll miss it.

01:34:04.000 Maybe they don't hate each other.

01:34:05.000 No, dude, I don't hate you at all.

01:34:07.000 I think you're a good guy.

01:34:08.000 And that's why I made that Instagram post.

01:34:10.000 And I saw this back and forth both ways.

01:34:12.000 People mad at you.

01:34:13.000 People mad at me.

01:34:14.000 It was just so stupid.

01:34:15.000 And it was just, you know, a drunken hiccup in a long conversation.

01:34:20.000 Well, I appreciate it.

01:34:21.000 Hopefully we can have another conversation soon.

01:34:24.000 I swear I'm not on the pipe right now.

01:34:26.000 Joe Rogan, thank you so much, brother.

01:34:27.000 Like you more than a friend, we have to go.

01:34:30.000 Take care, brother.

01:34:31.000 Take care.

01:34:31.000 And we're back!

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01:35:32.000 Hey, hey, don't!

01:35:34.000 You won't speak unless spoken to.

01:35:37.000 Gotta go to the bathroom.

01:35:38.000 Use the bathroom bucket!

01:35:43.000 This way?

01:35:46.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 all right I'm glad to be back Final segment wrapping.

01:36:25.000 We're getting very near the end of this now.

01:36:27.000 Thank you so much to Joy Villa and Joe Rogan.

01:36:32.000 Boy, they were both lovely.

01:36:34.000 Both cute as a button.

01:36:34.000 They were cute as a button.

01:36:36.000 You wouldn't necessarily expect from Joe Rogan to be cute as a button.

01:36:38.000 No, but he was.

01:36:39.000 And I'm glad we had it back on.

01:36:40.000 I'm glad we cleared that out.

01:36:41.000 I think it's important for people to see, you know, this is also the idea behind this idea of divorce.

01:36:46.000 You see a lot of people saying, well, we just weren't happy.

01:36:48.000 So it's better that our kids are not there for the conflict than being that kind of household.

01:36:53.000 And actually, studies show that it's much more healthy for children to see conflict and conflict resolution.

01:36:58.000 resolution.

01:36:58.000 Yep.

01:36:59.000 Then did, you know, just cutting and running.

01:37:02.000 And so hopefully see that with me and Joe Rogan.

01:37:05.000 I really have a lot of love for the guy.

01:37:06.000 I very much appreciate him.

01:37:08.000 I think he's a bright guy.

01:37:09.000 I think he's wrong on some issues.

01:37:11.000 Sometimes I think his approach is wrong.

01:37:13.000 But I honestly, I'm pretty I'm pretty straightforward with you guys.

01:37:16.000 If I don't like somebody, we actually talk too much about that sometimes in the show.

01:37:21.000 Sure.

01:37:21.000 We'll tell these stories.

01:37:22.000 People like, hey, why did you say that?

01:37:23.000 I'm like, well, it's because it's true.

01:37:24.000 You did do that when he came on the show.

01:37:26.000 And sometimes people get mad.

01:37:27.000 I would tell you Joe Rogan has been nothing, nothing but kind and supportive behind the scenes.

01:37:32.000 And And like you said, listen, he has a lot more to risk by doing that, right?

01:37:35.000 We have a lot of people out there who don't like what we do.

01:37:37.000 And there's no reason for Joe Rogan to be supportive at all.

01:37:40.000 So we appreciate him.

01:37:41.000 And Joy was just absolutely lovely.

01:37:42.000 We'll have to have her back on.

01:37:43.000 We'll watch that transition with her.

01:37:45.000 I guarantee you she's going to become more and more outspoken because she's in it now.

01:37:49.000 She's already jumped in the pool.

01:37:51.000 Trigger has been pulled.

01:37:52.000 Oh, and you know what?

01:37:53.000 Before we go, tomorrow, so next week we will be back, Lotto with Crowder, every day, Monday through Thursday, then Friday will be Morning Grinders.

01:37:59.000 So tomorrow on Morning Grinders, you guys have been reading about this on Twitter, we will have the much-anticipated arm-wrestling match between Not Gay Jared and...

01:38:06.000 So you'll see that tomorrow on Morning Grinders.

01:38:33.000 Yep.

01:38:34.000 Because there's not much else for that show to offer currently.

01:38:36.000 No.

01:38:36.000 So, I'm curious.

01:38:38.000 I think...

01:38:39.000 Men typically beat women.

01:38:41.000 That's what I think.

01:38:42.000 I'm hoping the science holds out.

01:38:44.000 But the results have been what?

01:38:44.000 Most people think Courtney will win?

01:38:45.000 It's about 70-30.

01:38:47.000 They think she'll win.

01:38:48.000 Yeah, in fact, we're going to get a new poll out tonight, so we're kind of keeping the polls updated.

01:38:52.000 Keeping the polls updated.

01:38:53.000 So 74%?

01:38:54.000 70-30.

01:38:56.000 I think Courtney will win.

01:38:57.000 Courtney's going to handily beat me.

01:38:59.000 That's a defeat in and of itself, Jared.

01:39:01.000 I don't even know.

01:39:02.000 You've lost before that contest occurs.

01:39:05.000 This is true.

01:39:06.000 So we will see you next week.

01:39:07.000 Listen, if there is a takeaway here this week, first of all is that I'm very tired.

01:39:10.000 I flew in a red eye afterward on the way back from Rogan's show.

01:39:13.000 Five hours.

01:39:14.000 But I really do feel grateful, honestly, to be able to have a discussion with someone like Joe Rogan, who has the reach far, far beyond most mainstream networks now, to be able to have a disagreement, to be able to get in a really heated disagreement and to still be friends and to be in a position politically where that's OK.

01:39:32.000 And I can't imagine.

01:39:34.000 This is one thing that we need to keep alive on the right or libertarians, conservatives, whatever you want to consider yourself.

01:39:39.000 We need to keep alive the idea that we can have a discussion.

01:39:43.000 And I don't necessarily even mean civil.

01:39:44.000 You can have sometimes uncivil discussion, very heated discourse, but still be friends with people, still be able to come to the table after it and say, hey, you know what?

01:39:53.000 Good show.

01:39:54.000 Shake hands and accept the result.

01:39:56.000 And I'm just filled with gratitude.

01:39:58.000 I can't thank people enough for putting us in a position where we're able to do that and be as truthful as we can.

Louder with Crowder - February 17, 2017

#123 WEED FIGHT! Joe Rogan and Joy Villa | Louder With Crowder

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