A Jew in the studio with a Jew! Join us as we discuss the latest anti-Israel article from a French socialist writer, and why that matters. Plus, we talk about why Donald Trump is more pro-Israel than his predecessor, Barack Obama.
00:02:30.000The reason this matters is when I was on CNN today, on their app anyway, front page, I should say it's opinion, but this is CNN. It's supposed to be a news network.
00:05:07.000Donald Trump froze it when he came in.
00:05:08.000It was one of the first things that he did.
00:05:10.000Again, let's take away how you feel about Israel and the American government or the UN. Let's just address the premise that Donald Trump hates Jews and really look at his actions compared to the previous administration.
00:07:28.000Not the people who aren't being blown up in record numbers.
00:07:32.000It's just, you know, let's talk about actions.
00:07:34.000This guy in the article, and Scott was talking about this earlier today, you know, Donald Trump.
00:07:37.000So right away, Israel actually, they were really upset that Barack Obama did not veto the condemnation across the board of Israel from the UN. The UN might as well be called the We Hate the United States and Israel organization.
00:07:50.000Maybe that's why we tend to be buddies.
00:10:16.000Michael Ian Black today, I should have said Michael Ian Black, who doesn't like me very much, thinks that I'm wrong about everything rape culture.
00:10:29.000They've been waiting for this forever.
00:10:31.000As a matter of fact, that's why we're just going to do this one more topic and get to the guests, because I think they're going to be great guest segments.
00:11:00.000Feminism sent a horrible message to young women with the sexual liberation, with the idea that you don't need a man, with the idea of rape culture, and they basically completely stripped women of their natural God-given power.
00:11:12.000I know women who feel empty inside because they can't figure out what career they're supposed to have because feminism tells them they have to have a career.
00:13:08.000We need to be telling young girls, listen, if you're within the parameters of health, men will like you, whether you're tall, whether you're short, you're thinner, you're slightly chubbier, as long as you are relatively healthy and put yourself together well throughout history.
00:13:20.000Men have found a majority of women sexually attractive.
00:13:40.000As a matter of fact, if you want to look for someone to blame, look for when women allowed themselves to be co-opted by homosexual fashion designers who create women's magazines.
00:13:50.000The only place you see this crazy, unrealistic standard of beauty is on Mary Claire and Elle and wherever these gay men want to make women look like little boys.
00:14:34.000And you should be proud of being overweight.
00:14:36.000And they take something that can be so unifying, this idea of beautiful women in all different shapes and sizes, which, by the way, is pretty universal for men.
00:14:45.000And they try to guilt men based on an expectation men don't have.
00:14:50.000And then tell women that they'll be happier with a life that will make them definitively less healthy and unhappy.
00:14:57.000And something else, a big irony here, that I think a lot of people miss.
00:15:01.000The whole fat pride movement is based on inner beauty.
00:15:59.000And the problem here is, it's again, you're turning something, men, their attraction, to women of all different shapes and sizes, you're creating outrage at something that couldn't be less outrageous.
00:18:51.000You don't have to be some crazy person living out in the plains to do so.
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00:19:06.000You've got drinks, you've got food, everything you need in here.
00:21:02.000The first is that it's trivializing, demeaning, and making a cartoon of somebody's experience with what they describe as a sexual assault.
00:21:15.000By doing that, you're, I think, guilty of the thing that a lot of These women say, which is you're making them feel like they're not going to be believed and that they're going to have a hard time coming forward if they're going to be on the receiving end of this kind of action.
00:21:41.000Okay, because one of the very first things I talk about is the grave concern with people like Lena Dunham falsely attributing rape, or falsely accusing rape, rather, is the people who come forward who have actually been raped.
00:21:52.000And the people who falsely cite statistics like the 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, which is verifiably untrue, that that makes it actually...
00:22:23.000See, that's the CDC report experiencing rape, right?
00:22:26.000Now, when we frame in what rape is, which is sexual assault, Unwanted, unwarranted, without consent, the Bureau for Justice says that it's 6.1 per 1,000.
00:22:57.000And let me tell you why I'm saying my statistic is correct, because I'm fully aware of the statistics that you cite, that Lena Dunham, them and their ilk cite, and I'm aware of the flaws in that statistic.
00:23:06.000Now, that includes any P and V that is regretful.
00:23:09.000Are you aware this is taught on campus?
00:23:23.000That requires consent continually throughout the entire act of sexual intercourse, meaning that someone could immediately become guilty of rape within one thrust without even knowing it.
00:23:36.000Well, what consent implies and says explicitly is, and you said this in your video, that if somebody says no at any point, that person has to stop.
00:23:52.000Okay, I'd rather instead of making leaps and assumptions, leaps and assumptions...
00:23:56.000Consent has to occur, and that when somebody says no at any time during the act, I'm quoting you now, you said that is rape, and that's what California says.
00:24:05.000Okay, you made a bunch of assumptions.
00:24:06.000Are you aware of the California statute that is called affirmative consent?
00:24:28.000Before we go back and forth again on that and different definitions, again, there's a CDC definition, there's a Bureau of Justice definition, which frames in rape as actual sexual assault, unwanted sexual intercourse.
00:24:39.000Not drunken intercourse, not intercourse where a girl afterwards says that she regretted it.
00:24:59.000And it demeans and it belittles the horrendous act of rape by simply throwing it out as an accusation and lumping in all regretful sex as rape.
00:25:07.000She didn't throw it out as an accusation.
00:25:09.000In fact, she went to great pains to say that she had very mixed emotions about it.
00:25:14.000It was psychologically difficult for her.
00:25:16.000She went to great pains to say that this experience required her to undergo a lot of thought, examination, self-examination, and self-procrimination.
00:25:25.000She didn't willy-nilly say that this was rape.
00:25:28.000I would consider a false accusation willy-nilly.
00:28:45.000Your parting shot was throwing out a tweet to someone with a smaller profile than yourself, then refusing to come on until you were cornered and felt pressured.
00:32:07.000So if there is no rape culture, if rape isn't a problem in this country...
00:32:11.000Two different things, two different things, two different things.
00:32:14.000There's a difference between rape culture and rape being a problem.
00:32:17.000If rape culture isn't a problem in this country, then surely there is a number at which you agree that rape is acceptable and a number at which you agree it is not.
00:32:24.000So if the number is zero, which we both agree it is, the number is zero of acceptable rapes, that's what you said and I'm agreeing...
00:32:30.000Then clearly there's a problem in the culture if the FBI is saying there were 90,185 reported rapes in 2015.
00:32:48.000Your statement right now, which was two or three paragraphs, was incorrect.
00:32:52.000Now, before you got to the FBI, very clever, tying in at the end of an entire opining on your behalf, to act as though that somehow substantiates what you said.
00:33:00.000You said there are these many rapes, and if we agree that rape is a problem, of course rape is a problem, then we agree there's a rape culture.
00:33:08.000Just like I don't agree there's a murder culture.
00:33:10.000I don't agree that there's a racism culture in the United States.
00:33:14.000I don't agree there's a cultural problem with it.
00:33:16.000I believe there's rape, and certainly if we want to get into a rape culture problem, we can get into societies where that is the case, as nearly every Islamic nation in the world, where rape is actually, in fact, allowed legally.
00:34:42.000And again, if we get into those statistics, considering that over 80% of rapes are not committed by serial rapists, but by people who they know.
00:34:49.000No, but I'm saying it wouldn't bear out in those statistics.
00:34:51.000As far as the lifetime statistics, if you were to extrapolate the number of 90,000 regarding even their current standards of rape, which is sex with anyone they regret, Michael.
00:35:00.000And again, those statistics are constantly rebutted from the CDC. The Bureau of Justice specifically said we need to look at these and frame them in.
00:35:32.000APDF. In a nationally represented survey of adults, and we can look at the survey, nearly 1 in 5, 18.3% of women and 1 in 71 men reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives.
00:36:10.000I can't, but Stephen, it's the CDC. So we'd have to go back to the original survey, the National Intimate Partner in Sexual Violence Survey, which I don't have at my fingertips.
00:36:22.000Listen, I'm not trying to trick you or make you get some sources that you don't have.
00:36:25.000Okay, well, you work with your statistics, the CDC. If you take that and put it next to the criminal statistics, even if you add it up over the lifetime, it's not even close.
00:36:34.000It couldn't possibly add up to one in five.
00:36:37.000Except that this is 90,185 rates reported to law enforcement in 2015.
00:36:45.000We both know, Stephen, that very few or a minority of rapes are reported.
00:36:51.000Okay, so this requires a lot of assumptions on your part, right?
00:36:59.000It requires a lot of assumptions, and I'm going to explain why and act as though you'll allow me to finish a sentence.
00:37:03.000It requires a lot of assumptions because you're taking a criminal statistic, which in no way could at any point, if you were to take an average lifetime, add up to one in five people are raped.
00:37:11.000And then you are comparing that with experiencing rape, which is not clearly defined.
00:37:33.000She made it very clear that she had a lot of ambiguity and problems with the term at first, came to accept it eventually, and also, as I quoted to you before, took a lot of the blame herself.
00:37:47.000And in writing about it, I think what she was saying was she was trying to encourage other people to experience it Yeah, I wouldn't use the word problematic.
00:38:46.000The Bureau of Justice that you're saying is that quoting people over the course of a lifetime, which is what the CDC says.
00:38:51.000Yeah, the video that we were talking about was rape culture.
00:38:55.000No, Stephen, you just quoted the Bureau of Justice to disprove the CDC. Does it say over the course of a lifetime or does it say during the four years of college?
00:39:46.000Bureau of Justice that you just quoted does not refer to in a lifetime.
00:39:51.000So if 1 in 5 women are raped in the course of a lifetime, according to the CDC, which you are unable to disprove, Stephen, then clearly— I am, and I have just proven it many times writing about it, as has Courtney and Casey, headwriters at louderwithcrowder.com.
00:40:07.000I know in your entertainment industry you get to interrupt and run roughshod over people, and people think that somehow you're a skilled debater, but my God, man, you've got to stay on point here, okay?
00:40:24.000So, people, you see, this is the problem with the arguing with the leftists.
00:40:27.000As you can see here in this conversation, one person continually interrupts, does not allow someone else to speak, is clearly emotionally perturbed.
00:41:27.000This video was talking about that incident while it was topical and addressing rape culture at large and the feigned outrage from the left who don't seem to care so much about real rape cultures as they exist across the globe where it doesn't exist in the United States.
00:41:41.000In Islamic countries, as we addressed in the video, rape is ordained.
00:41:52.000That's why a lot of marriages aren't recognized by the United States government, because all that's required is a man to go to the imam and say, divorce, divorce, divorce in the United States, and it's no longer recognized marriage.
00:42:01.000If we want to talk about rape culture, let's talk about a rape culture.
00:42:13.000There's rape culture at Mattress Girl, UVA. If you say there's rape culture in Islam and Islam in general, we would expect to see rape in Islamic cultures as being very high, right?
00:44:02.000I'm saying, and forgive me because I don't know.
00:44:05.000In this country where there's a large Muslim population, would you expect to see rape incidents being higher?
00:44:12.000No, absolutely not, because they can go unreported, and the woman can be punished if she comes forward with rape, doesn't have the amount of witnesses.
00:44:30.000Okay, so not every Imam can be a Sharia court judge, but every single Muslim congregation has to have a head Imam who can operate Sharia law.
00:44:39.000In other words, who can fundamentally recognize marriages, divorce.
00:44:42.000They have their own system of laws, much like Jewish laws.
00:44:46.000Except very different, obviously, because they encourage rape culture.
00:44:49.000Now, with women who are raped in Islam, they require multiple witnesses.
00:44:55.000To come forward and say they have personally witnessed the rape.
00:48:22.000I was talking about real rape cultures that exist in law.
00:48:26.000Mysore, Quran, Hadith, Virtually every Islamic country in existence and every Islamic population, going back to the Ottoman Empire as far as rape laws and how they exist.
00:48:36.000This is real rape culture where women are treated as second-class citizens and are unable to verifiably prove the crime of rape.
00:48:43.000And if they come forward accusing rape and cannot prove it in a system of law that makes it impossible, the woman is punished.
00:48:49.000My point is, that to me would be a real rape culture versus the United States where we have laws in place and virtually all Americans...
00:48:57.000Barring a very small percentage who commit rape, find rape here completely abhorrent.
00:49:02.000Myself included, even though you're appalled by this video.
00:49:36.000As evidence, I'm using the CDC, which you have not just proven, and I'm citing, just looking at today's headline, 81 people have accused former USA Gymnastics coach of sexual abuse.
00:49:46.000Now, that person would not have been allowed to get away with that for so long over so many people if there wasn't a larger problem in the culture.
00:50:03.000Okay, again, your own sources, the FBI, we're talking about rape reported.
00:50:07.000I think it's important to go by a definition of actual rape reported, of actual crimes of rape, versus something that you admitted you cannot define from the CDC. People reporting experiencing rape, especially in light of state statutes, as I pointed out, in California.
00:50:22.000The laws are even, the reason campus matters is because the laws are even more lenient, the rules are even more lenient, where anyone can accuse a man of rape and he can be expelled, as we saw with the UVA scandal, as we saw with Mattress Girl at Columbia.
00:50:34.000Virtually every high-profile rape case that has been in the media in the last half a decade has been proven false and has destroyed the lives of men who did not commit rape.
00:50:43.000So my point is there are real victims here.
00:50:45.000The Joyce and Dusky allegations were false.
00:51:25.000Here's the revised FBI definition of rape.
00:51:29.000Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person without the consent Of the victim.
00:51:39.000So that is what I'm using for the FBI. For the FBI. Perfect.
00:51:43.000So, again, that's the statistic I want to work with.
00:51:45.000According to your statistic, there is 90-something thousand, right, per year in 2015.
00:51:50.000Doing the math for that, because you wanted to say over a lifetime, we agree, over a lifetime, that would require 1,600 years, 1,500 to 1,600 years or so for it to be one in five women raped in a lifetime.
00:52:00.000So the FBI statistics would reflect actually much more severely what I'm talking about from the Bureau of Justice.
00:52:19.000But you haven't given me a different definition from the CDC. No, I just used your own FBI statistic, which is more valid, because it's defined.
00:52:27.000Steven, you're saying you agree with that definition, but you don't agree with the CDC definition, but you haven't provided me with the CDC definition.
00:53:29.000Rapists should be buried beneath the train tracks.
00:53:31.000If we're going to throw out that allegation, we need a whole lot more than a poll.
00:53:35.000And every single verifiable statistic, including the ones that you've thrown out today from the FBI, prove the idea of one in five completely, totally false.
00:54:34.000And the statistics that you have given us today, when we have defined actual rape, on which we agree, the FBI or Bureau of Justice, the CDC is a poll, nowhere can you prove that there is a 1 in 5 chance of rape, a 1 in 5 incidence of rape.
00:54:46.000Thus, there is no systematic rape culture.
00:56:24.000Michael, you said we were getting off...
00:56:26.000No, Michael, you said we were getting off in the weeds earlier.
00:56:29.000Would it stand to reason that we're more off in the weeds now that because of the statistics you presented, you're doing math based on assumptions that you can't verify and we're making estimates?
00:56:38.000You and I have just agreed that 300,000 is probably a reasonable number of rapes that occur to women per year.
00:56:52.000Yes, it's still much lower than one in five.
00:56:55.000It's still much lower than one in five.
00:56:57.000If it's not 90,000 reported rapes per year, which you already agreed was a good statistic, and we both agree that the number of rapes are not reported, 100% of rapes aren't reported, what is the correct number of rapes per year?
00:58:55.000There is certainly the burden of proof on someone who is claiming a rape culture to prove such a shocking statistic, and it can't be beyond a poll, which doesn't define rape.
00:59:39.000These are not relied upon as evidence, as the same as reports and incidents from a federal bureau of investigation, from the FBI, or from the Bureau of Justice.
01:00:09.000Yes, would we not agree that that is probably, even if you say only 40% of rapes, as we gave you, even if you say only 40% of rapes, but I don't agree to you, but I'm giving to you for the sake of argument.
01:00:18.000I'm saying that's a very high estimate of the number that are reported.
01:00:21.000Well, not if you consider people like Lena Dunham who come out and claim rape and then we find out that it's verifiably false, but let's assume 40% of rapes are reported.
01:00:28.000You haven't found that out and you haven't presented any evidence that's verifiably false.
01:00:30.000What you're doing is you're denying her experience.
01:00:32.000First off, I believe in a system of law.
01:00:35.000That was my original intention, writing holy shit to video, because what you're doing is you're denying something that she experienced, and you have no idea.
01:00:41.000Well, the burden of proof is on her when she's making an allegation of crime.
01:01:56.000Let's say it's a claim of a crime, because that would still be filed under that poll.
01:02:00.000I am saying, and this is important, because I think you're a little, you might have a blind spot here, just as far as being a little bit out of touch with what people see as rape.
01:02:09.000People would even read Lena Dunham's own story, most people did, when she accused We're good to go.
01:02:42.000You're conflating her experience with the CDC's statistic, and you and I don't know.
01:02:46.000So we believe that she would not be included in the CDC's statistic of rape.
01:02:50.000When she said she was raped, she claimed she was raped flat out, and we're saying that the CDC would not include her when they include people who claim experiencing rape?
01:03:01.000And my point is that would, of course, inflate a statistic that would be completely and totally irreconcilable with the actual statistics that we have from the FBI and the Bureau of Justice.
01:03:11.000So let's say that the actual claim is what?
01:03:15.000The actual number of women who are raped.
01:03:17.000And we're only talking about rape now.
01:03:19.000We're not talking about sexual intimidation.
01:03:21.000We're not talking about sexual harassment.
01:04:13.000I'm happy to receive any gifts you give me.
01:04:14.000Thank you very much, and I appreciate you coming on the show, and I genuinely am a fan of a lot of the work that you've done, so I wish this could have been more amicable.
01:04:22.000I am using your statistics, the FBI statistics, which are very unforgiving to your stance, okay?
01:04:28.000In using the Bureau of Justice statistics, which would actually be more lenient on definitions of rape, because it would go by college reportings of rape, not even We're
01:05:08.000And so my point is, when I go out and I make a video setting these exact statistics about rape culture, and you respond, holy sh**, it's appalling, the burden on you is to prove it, I don't believe you've done that effectively today.
01:05:36.000And the opinion of your audience is going to be that you're becoming decreasingly funny as you become a social justice warrior for causes that you can't prove.
01:05:58.000If you want to talk about smug and condescending, which I don't, when you continually say, you've got to stay on track, buddy, that's smug and condescending.
01:06:05.000No, smug and condescending is to say you have no proof and then cite completely irrelevant statistics.
01:06:11.000I will leave it to people to go through all the statistics that I cited to determine whether or not they're relevant.
01:06:45.000But what I do have a strong opinion about is people...
01:06:50.000In my life who have undergone difficult, questionable sexual experiences in which they felt like they were victimized, shamed, harassed, or intimidated.
01:07:06.000And by doing a video where you're creating a cartoon of somebody Right.
01:07:25.000Because a kid with a YouTube channel and a wildly unpopular opinion that's never accepted in the entertainment industry, making fun of someone who has a deal with the biggest network in all of television, Lena Dunham with HBO, that's punching down.
01:07:36.000I would say, I'm sorry you don't find it funny.
01:07:39.000I would say, I'm sorry, let me respond.
01:07:41.000I would say, I'm sorry you don't find it funny.
01:08:47.000What I am saying is, what kind of rape, straight-up rape or funny rape?
01:08:51.000No, as a matter of fact, I don't believe that anyone would read that and say that you are condemning Daniel Tosh for the idea that rape would be funny.
01:08:58.000I don't find it offensive, and I find you funny regardless.
01:09:02.000My point is, you have made far more rape jokes, with far less context, without actually making rape jokes to make a point, actually pointing towards statistics, as I did in that video, where I was pointing out not only the problem with rape culture at large in Islam, this is the video, but the verifiably false statistic of 1 in 5, and I used that, and I used a topical issue with Lena Dunham's claim of a crime at that point to make my point, you have made rape jokes willy-nilly, With no context whatsoever, which would be far less sensitive.
01:09:30.000We're in a modern state of comedy, and this is a sad state of comedy where comedians have to sit here and talk about what's demeaning, what's appalling, and is no longer acceptable.
01:10:12.000If you look at the social media interactions, you're having some problems because people are thinking you're going off the deep end, Michael.
01:10:21.000You have several million followers and you have several million fans because you've had a leg up because you've been in a very friendly industry with big networks.
01:10:32.000And you have remarkably low interactivity and you can see as it steadily decreased along with your self-important There's accusations leveled at other comedians as to what they can and can't say or what is appalling and what is not appalling.
01:10:45.000And I think you're going to dig your own grave.
01:10:46.000Did I say that you could or could not say anything?
01:10:49.000You said it was appalling and asked me to recant, which I don't think is something a comedian should ever do.
01:11:19.000We had to spend an hour arguing, but you had no argument.
01:11:23.000So you have to preface it with it's not funny, it's appalling, and therefore here are my arguments, which aren't very strong.
01:11:28.000All I can say is you didn't move the needle with me at all, and I clearly didn't move the needle with you at all.
01:11:32.000I don't know if we were just talking past each other or we were just arguing over statistics for an hour.
01:11:37.000But nothing that you said to me was compelling in the sense that the video, the sketch portion of the video that I was commenting on in any way helped in any way move the conversation forward about either rape or, we both agree, the problematic term rape culture.
01:12:10.000I'm coming on your show and I'm going to be dealing with your audience for the next week and a half yelling at me.
01:12:17.000Kicking and screaming someone in the entertainment industry who is surrounded by people with the exact same opinion and you found an old video.
01:12:26.000You're mad at me for being thoughtful about the way that I came on your show as opposed to just saying thanks for coming on the show.
01:12:32.000Well I did say thanks for coming on the show.
01:12:37.000I've gone out of my way for the last three weeks to try to get on the show and to try to make it work after I thought about it and consulted with the people that I consulted with.
01:12:45.000I don't know who these people are you consulted with, but I'm glad that they...
01:12:47.000I agree, and I'm not going to name them because I think that would be irresponsible because I've already identified them as rape victims.
01:12:54.000So we're into the realm back of the anecdotal, where you've identified people as rape victims who you've consulted with, therefore the poll is accurate.
01:12:59.000Stephen, you used your wife anecdotally.
01:13:00.000You said my wife deals with this all day, every day.
01:15:09.000And listen, I appreciate your passion, and I do appreciate you coming on the show, even if we disagree.
01:15:14.000And at any point, if people take out the torch and pitchforks for you, because they do it for all of us, every single comedian, I will still be there to defend you, regardless of how much I disagree with it.
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01:16:24.000Time to start the double-secret patriarchy meeting.
01:16:27.000On today's item list, how to preserve rape culture.
01:20:39.000Well, you know, it's fascinating because sometimes we from the other side are like, you know, people want us to talk about politics a lot or culture a lot.
01:20:46.000Sometimes we'll just do videos that are just pure comedy.
01:20:53.000Well, I think you probably understand as a creative mind, you want to be able to do all of the above, but no one's being forced to consume it.
01:22:11.000For those people who don't know, this is the first time we've ever spoken.
01:22:14.000I told Jared, I was like, I want to talk to him on air because I want people to see what a real reaction is like from two people meeting.
01:22:20.000So you're in Australia and you've taken a pretty active, I guess, sort of stance on, maybe it's Australia as well, but the American cultural, political sort of landscape, maybe not actively endorsing anyone, but I mean, you've gotten flack for simply even retweeting people.
01:23:37.000I've met a lot of Australians in my travels, and unlike a lot of, well, first off, Canada, where I was raised, where everyone just hates Americans, and of course most Europeans, but we don't need to deal with them right now, Australians seem to be a little more level-headed, and there doesn't seem to be this anti-American streak.
01:26:08.000In fact, they've pledged, I don't know how recent this was, it might have been last year, but they've pledged to deposit extra cash into the female employees of their company, I guess, to prove that they don't pay, discriminate, etc., etc.
01:27:02.000Like, I liked Pogo until I found out how sickening his comments were about feminism.
01:27:07.000And I remember watching any comments you've ever made about feminism on any program and read them in print, and they were all entirely reasonable.
01:31:00.000I think they're really responsible because there's been so...
01:31:03.000And I'm curious as to what it's like in Australia, if you see this happening now or if it's already happened.
01:31:07.000They were so bad for so long and everything was racist, everything was sexist, everything was homophobic.
01:31:12.000And we actually wrote an article and a lot of conservatives got mad with that famous remember Obama poster But it was replaced with Hillary instead of hope it said bitch and we said watch bitch is going to be the new n-word Because I used to say if you use the word socialist or anything or anti-american you secretly meant the n-word because you were racist and sure enough It was the switch when Hillary Clinton was the candidate where everyone who was racist overnight was now sexist and And I think that's what pushed people over the edge.
01:31:45.000Look, I was queuing up for a Big Mac at McDonald's and they had a big newspaper on the counter.
01:31:51.000And you open up page three, so you just go three pages into it, and they're in like type size 20 or whatever it is, is like, it's a misogynist world.
01:31:59.000I've never seen type as big as this, by the way.
01:32:02.000And it's like, that's just somehow culturally, you know, okay.
01:32:06.000And there's a picture of this old lady talking to these little girls at school about how much the world hates them because of their vaginas and, you know, how evil the world is towards women.
01:33:30.000I mean, there's certain things, you know, for example, I mean, Australians would look at Americans and think we're super far right wing, but our corporate tax rate is, is it 36%, 37%?
01:35:32.000But it's funny that you ask that, because I think here in the United States, everyone kind of unilaterally thinks of libertarian as more conservative.
01:36:26.000But anyway, I got emailed by the people protesting whose families were getting arrested by the cops for, I guess, you know, holding a production, getting in the ways of contracted work, sabotaging equipment.
01:36:37.000And they asked me, can you make some kind of, you know, track about this?
01:36:50.000This is kind of where I'm on the fence because one of the – I don't know if you guys have seen my whole World Remix project where I take a camera and a mic into the real world and I do what I do with movies but with people and with cultures.
01:37:01.000And one of the first things I thought of doing was doing Native American culture, like finding a campfire, like the classic sort of Red Indian tribes and doing a remix around that.
01:37:10.000And I thought, well, I'd like to do something like this, but I don't know how I feel about putting, you know, political agenda behind music.
01:37:42.000Yeah, I... You know, I don't have a problem with it as long as people accept the consequences.
01:37:48.000But it's a little different because I come from the world of comedy.
01:37:51.000You know, particularly while I was an actor first in stand-up comedy in my mid-teens, did that really up until sort of Fox and the news thing.
01:37:58.000In stand-up comedy, it's sort of expected for you to fillet yourself in a way where you open up about your opinions.
01:38:04.000You know, some people get away without doing it.
01:38:07.000But most comedians I know at least dabble in the realm of politics and culture.
01:38:11.000With music, I think with comedy, people are going in to hear your thoughts on the world.
01:38:17.000With music, often, I think like films, they're going to escape the world.
01:38:21.000So I think maybe you're right on that.
01:38:23.000But I do think, you know, there's also the other part of me that says everyone else is doing it.
01:38:27.000So I wouldn't mind seeing Pogo dip his toe into the water.
01:38:34.000Yeah, I tried to keep the Trumpular piece as neutral as I could because I didn't know if he was going to win or not, and I didn't really want to lose any followers.
01:39:15.000Like, if you go onto my SoundCloud and you like my stuff, you retweet it, you post it, you comment on it, it's got nothing to do with me, really.
01:39:23.000Like, I'm actually very different from my music.
01:39:26.000Like, you listen to Alice and Wishery, you think of someone who's light and fluffy and bubbly and optimistic.
01:39:29.000I'm actually kind of the opposite in a lot of ways.
01:39:45.000Really creative people, and I mean, clearly you are, tend to be conflicted because, you know, you can't tell someone to, you know, and that's one thing you talked about with Tommy Sotomayor on social media, right?
01:39:54.000You were talking about sort of shutting off social media, and I know a lot of people say, don't be so sensitive.
01:39:59.000I would imagine it's pretty hard for someone to tell you that because there has to be a hypersensitivity to be able to watch a film that everyone else just watches and says that's a good movie and create an entire song and melody out of it.
01:40:12.000You have to be more sensitive than the average person to be creative.
01:40:32.000It's like, well, yeah, but everyone has a reaction.
01:40:35.000It doesn't mean you're hypersensitive or offended.
01:40:38.000It's just, as a creative person, you're going to react to people responding to your art.
01:40:43.000I don't think it's got anything to do with sensitivity.
01:40:45.000I think we have a culture now in which you've got your self-image in a smartphone.
01:40:48.000You've got your self-worth in your pocket, in a slab.
01:40:52.000And that's not just the sensitive ones of us, that's everybody.
01:40:55.000And my angle was, you know, it'd be nice to try and cut back on that.
01:40:59.000You know, instead of going for likes and retweets, how about we go for hugs and kisses and human connections for a change, you know, back in the good old days.
01:41:10.000And I think it's tough because obviously you also make your living through this sort of, you know, there's no more gatekeepers with social media.
01:42:49.000And I think we see that not only with social media, but this culture of, like you said, likes, clicks, fame.
01:42:55.000I mean, I think that's why this Milo thing has been so hard to watch, disregarding the opinions, is his entire identity was wrapped up in how much controversy he could generate or how many people were paying attention.
01:43:07.000And so, you know, obviously I'm a Christian.
01:43:09.000I imagine when you talk about Dawkins and stuff, we differ on that.
01:43:11.000But man, I've been praying for the guy because I'm like, I know that he's the kind of guy where this will probably be harder for him than anyone else because that is his identity.
01:43:20.000Just like taking if someone were banned from Facebook where they spend all day on Facebook, it'd be way worse than your aunt Tilly who checks it every couple of weeks.
01:43:29.000And that's one negative I might say about Donald Trump, is that culture of kind of celebrity, right?
01:44:33.000You got to be careful when you take feedback from these things.
01:44:35.000It's like, when I get a compliment on my music, am I taking that, like, am I going to store that in myself or am I going to store that in Pogo?
01:45:32.000But don't feel like you need to take this on.
01:45:34.000I mean, you know, Go outside, take a breather, and that's effectively telling them to do the opposite of what we need for revenue, and it's a challenge.
01:45:42.000Yeah, that's a conflict of interest for sure.
01:46:20.000We know people who are there are people who are typically more informed and more willing to listen to an opinion.
01:46:26.000We spoke with Chad with AIDS, our friend who actually was molested as a teenager, who spoke about the issue.
01:46:32.000And what it came down to with us was, listen, I mean, I know Milo, we had him on the show back when he had a few thousand Twitter followers.
01:47:07.000Well, I might be wrong about it, but when he was talking about the benefits, quote-unquote, of a relationship between those two people, wasn't he referring to his own experience?
01:47:17.000He was referring to his own experience and then later he said, we have all the clips on Monday's show, he said, I think the age of consent laws are about right.
01:47:26.000But then people cut that context because he went on to say, though I think some people could be able to give consent younger like myself.
01:47:34.000And if you look back, himself was I think 13 or 14 years old.
01:47:37.000So it sounds like he's saying, he is saying there's some people who should be able to have sexual relationships at 13 or 14 years old in its full context.
01:47:50.000I was a bit gutted to see what he said and to see him going up and make an apology because I've always had this image of Milo as being a take no s*** from anybody kind of guy.
01:48:02.000This is the first time he's ever apologized and I think he said he's going to be the last, didn't he?
01:48:18.000But yeah, you know, I can still disagree with some of the things he said and still not be happy about the clear political hit job that it was, taking something from a year out.
01:48:27.000You know, they could have just at that point brought it up, said this is wrong and dealt with it then.
01:48:31.000The fact that they sat on it for a year tells me that, you know, there are people with agendas across the board.
01:48:44.000I know that regardless of whoever agrees or disagrees with his opinion, it's going to be a really tough, clawing, pride-swallowing climb back up to the top, right?
01:48:55.000And then if these people allow you on television, it's going to be you're one of many panelists because if you don't behave, you're out.
01:49:04.000And so you can't be the guy who generates protests and controversy and still have that platform.
01:49:09.000You know, in a difference kind of with what we do, we own all of our own platforms.
01:49:13.000You know, we've had people offer to come in and we could have worked for, you know, other big sites, whether it's sites like Breitbart or other conservative sites.
01:50:14.000But, you know, it's tough ego right in this age.
01:50:15.000I mean, someone like you is as successful as you are, and you show up to DJ, and you have all these people showing up because they're fans of yours.
01:50:22.000I think there's nothing more corrosive to the human spirit than success, right?
01:50:57.000I think if someone was saying it to Wesley, like, you know, your own potential is going to be your worst enemy because you know how much better you can be.
01:51:07.000Did you see the Whiplash movie with J.K. Simmons?
01:51:32.000No, I was saying, when I was talking about potential, I instantly thought of Whiplash, because that whole movie is about, you know, the worst two words you can say to anybody with aspiration is, good job.
01:51:44.000Because the moment you pat someone on the back and say, okay, that's great, it's incentive to stop trying.
01:52:34.000Okay, now that we're getting more kind of philosophical, here's a question for you.
01:52:37.000I've asked several people before, particularly the high-level athletes and high performers that we've had in this show.
01:52:42.000Since we're talking about potential, what is it that bothers you more?
01:52:46.000What do you think is harder to swallow?
01:52:47.000And it may take time to think about it.
01:52:49.000When you've done everything that you could, when you've worked as hard as you possibly could, and you still came up short, or is it harder when you look back on a mistake that you know you made and could have avoided?
01:53:09.000Like, in the case of the Data Picard thing, I had to get to a stage where I was like, okay, the tunic looks a bit s*** in this shot, but I've spent the past four weeks, almost all day, every day working on this.
01:54:01.000I mean, our green screen is just total crap with reflection of green and stuff, but because we work in news, we're like, we've got to get it out today!
01:54:12.000Your thing is, yeah, the data Picard, people who haven't seen it, you matched the lighting of the environments, which is very hard for professional lighting crews to do in big budget films.
01:55:11.000And a big reason for that is so we're not dependent on places like Google and pretty much Google as far as advertising, whether it's YouTube or on our website.
01:55:19.000So it allows us, yeah, we have a bunch of people.
01:56:23.000I'd like to do one with the Joker in the future.
01:56:26.000Everyone says, because I don't know if you've seen the Wizard of Mare vid, but I'd love to do that as the Joker.
01:56:31.000Not the Heath Ledger Joker, no one's ever going to top that, but I think the Mark Hamill Joker from the cartoon series will be a lot of fun.
01:56:38.000Yeah, also Mark Hamill in real life now looks like the Joker, so it came full circle.
01:58:30.000Like, we're living on this tiny rock in this minute little quadrant of the universe, and we have the arrogance to think we know how the universe came about and what's out there and what's behind it all.
01:58:40.000I just prefer to keep an open mind than to go saying what is and isn't.
01:59:47.000I was raised a Christian by my mother.
01:59:49.000She dragged me off to Sunday school and all that.
01:59:51.000And I spent most of my teenage years believing in a God and thanking Him for my fortunes.
01:59:55.000I would say, you know, if I do die one day and I get to heaven and there is a God and it's like, oh, this guy's responsible for all my success, I'd be feeling pretty shitty if, you know, I didn't pay my respects while I was alive.
02:00:16.000But my point is it's interesting that now we're able to have this conversation, right, at an intersect, whereas at one point, certainly online, it seemed like that was impossible.
02:00:24.000It seemed like the divide between deists and agnostics and atheists, regardless of politics, like there's no way.
02:00:41.000In as much as social media has kind of pitted the sides against each other, it seems to have opened up a lot of room in the middle for meeting of minds, isn't it?
02:01:06.000Well, crazy opinions, like, and I'm like, this is the thing, because people just haven't listened to how we've expressed our opinions on here.
02:01:12.000They assume this because it's easier to make the argument.
02:01:15.000I think a lot of people of faith have been tossed into this one box, and now we have, I mean, we have atheists on the show all the time, and a huge portion of our audience are not conservatives, which is a big shift, I would say, what would you say, Jared?
02:01:30.000And we have the ability, all the analytics online, to see that.
02:01:33.000So I wonder if you'll see that from the other side where, you know, not being political, just doing music, you might see a lot of your fan base become more...
02:01:40.000I just think people are becoming actually more engaged in that, which is surprising because we thought it would be the opposite.
02:02:55.000But I mean, you know, for me, being really a pretty hardcore libertarian on most things, I'm not really in the center, but I'm able to meet people in the center.
02:04:49.000Yeah, I'm not having a grump about it, but it's still the way it is, and I'm not convinced feminism is working against that.
02:04:57.000I think it might actually be supporting it.
02:04:59.000Well, I think because more young women are not identifying as feminists, but I do wonder, you know, if we were dating right now, and you go home with someone, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, front page news, I'm accused of rape, damn it!
02:05:49.000My whole thing with feminism is I don't see how you can solve a conflict of interest between multiple parties by focusing almost solely on the interest of one.
02:05:58.000To me, that just seems counterintuitive to the whole thing.
02:06:01.000And the other angle they have is women have to be more masculine.
02:06:05.000The whole culture we have now, as much as they want to feminize men, I see more and more women in my day-to-day life being very manly and being very masculine, and I don't find that attractive at all.
02:06:18.000As someone who's done combat sports, like in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, we'd have girls who are very pretty, and they would be grappling, and they'd be like, I'm just one of the guys.
02:08:33.000I've got Vivid Festival coming up in Sydney very soon, and I am working on another EP, which will be coming out on iTunes and Spotify shortly.
02:08:40.000When can you come to the United States, finally?
02:10:29.000So I would imagine you don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the illegal immigrants here who feel as though they're being oppressed by not being allowed to stay.
02:10:35.000By the way, you used the wrong work visa.
02:10:53.000Even if people come here by water, it's the Cubans and they're just on a floating bar stool because they'll take anything to get to the United States.
02:11:00.000If someone washes up over there, it's because they're on MH370 and they finally found the damn plane.
02:11:09.000Alright, Pogo, we have to go, brother.
02:11:10.000Where's the best place for people to find you?
02:11:12.000You guys can check me out at YouTube.com forward slash Pogo and a whole bunch of tracks also go up to SoundCloud.com forward slash Pogo Mix.
02:11:21.000And people, please do support his stuff because the bigger he gets, the cooler we are for having copyrighted, copyright free music on our program.
02:14:13.000We just said hi-yah and bounced around as Power Rangers and called it a day.
02:14:16.000It was the stupidest thing in the world, kata.
02:14:17.000And that was when I remember they would, you know, you're supposed to imagine you're pulling out the moves and you're doing it and then I knew this is why I'm going to get my ass kicked.
02:14:26.000This clearly has no practical application in the real world.
02:14:30.000Might have something to do with your words.
02:15:52.000And I always liked, as you know with this show, I always liked, you saw with Michael Ian Black, I always liked hearing differing points of view.
02:16:28.000You reach more independents and even more Democrats on Fox News, given their huge audience, than you would on other networks.
02:16:33.000So I'm grateful to have that opportunity to have that platform.
02:16:37.000So, Alan Combs, on a personal level, I won't say, again, we weren't super close friends, but he did, you know, he went into bat for me on a couple of things.
02:16:45.000After Hannity and Combs, the show, he was such a good guy that they kept him at the network.
02:16:49.000And really, they didn't have a show for him, but he was a contributor.
02:16:52.000He had a radio show, and I used to do that pretty frequently.
02:16:55.000On Friday night, it was a Royal Rumble, and he was hilarious.
02:16:59.000I remember he would just go to his phone calls, and he would just go, okay, line two, Alan Combs, you suck, and you, okay, line three, clear.
02:17:06.000And, you know, that's actually where I met Sally Cohn.
02:17:10.000I met Sally Cohn on Alan Combs' show on a Friday night.
02:17:15.000I remember during the fall and late at night I went into the Fox News studio, met Sally Cohn.
02:17:20.000And, you know, that was one thing that Alan Combs was actually able to do.
02:17:24.000He was actually able to bring people into a room and you don't see this a lot, by the way.
02:17:28.000If you go to MSNBC or you hear people who've worked at MSNBC or even people at CNN, certainly on the left side, they don't talk about how, oh, man, you'd have so many people with different points of view and they would just be in a room together and have a couple of beers afterward and have a good time, particularly at MSNBC.
02:17:42.000This is inside baseball, but I knew this for a long time.
02:17:45.000People who worked there, they were not friends.
02:19:30.000I've always enjoyed, and it's not me being disingenuous trying to take some moral high road.
02:19:34.000I don't know about you, you can tweet me at us, Crowder.
02:19:35.000I've always much more so enjoyed Having a program with differing points of view and hearing them out, and that's why we try to get people from differing points of view on the show.
02:19:46.000It's hard to book them, but that's another thing you have to give to Alan Combs.