Louder with Crowder - #131 LEGAL VS. ILLEGAL! Dr. Jordan Peterson and Owen Benjamin | Louder With Crowder

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00:02:28.000 That's the ancient art of Kata.

00:02:42.000 By the way, for people, before you complain, this is unloaded.

00:02:45.000 I was showing my producers here.

00:02:46.000 I did a trigger job on my Ruger SP-101.

00:02:49.000 Fantastic firearm.

00:02:50.000 Huge show today. 0.52

00:02:52.000 By the way, first off, producing with me in video studio, as always, is Jared, who is not gay.

00:02:56.000 Follow him at Twitter, on Twitter, at notgayjared, me at scrowder.

00:03:00.000 I fulfill my legal obligations, drawing on conclusions.

00:03:02.000 We good?

00:03:04.000 Gerald is back in the seat.

00:03:05.000 That's right.

00:03:06.000 Worst Twitter handle in the business.

00:03:08.000 Thank you.

00:03:08.000 Very much.

00:03:09.000 And apparently Edward the Sound Guy is now Fonzie.

00:03:11.000 Did you see that?

00:03:12.000 Hey.

00:03:14.000 We got Razor Ramon on sound.

00:03:16.000 Hey-o.

00:03:17.000 Hey-o, my bad guy.

00:03:19.000 Big show.

00:03:20.000 Big show.

00:03:20.000 We have Dr.

00:03:22.000 Jordan Peterson back.

00:03:23.000 We'll be talking about...

00:03:24.000 We took your questions.

00:03:25.000 So, of course, today is the live show, by the way.

00:03:27.000 For those who want the daily show, ladderwithcloud.com slash mugclub.

00:03:29.000 We had some huge shows this week.

00:03:31.000 Big debates behind the paywall that we would never be allowed to have on YouTube.

00:03:36.000 And Jordan Peterson, and we have one of the best comedians working today, Owen Benjamin.

00:03:41.000 Many of you know him, love him, very funny, and a little more outspoken about his political views.

00:03:45.000 He is.

00:03:46.000 I think 2017 is creating a culture that's becoming okay.

00:03:50.000 It's becoming okay.

00:03:52.000 Which is good to see.

00:03:53.000 It's a conservative coming out year.

00:03:55.000 Yes.

00:03:56.000 In a matter of speaking.

00:03:57.000 But every year, Jared's coming out.

00:03:59.000 We'll get our own ABC show one day.

00:04:01.000 Speaking of coming out, faith-based gay group.

00:04:04.000 I don't know if you saw this.

00:04:05.000 This is in the news.

00:04:06.000 We'll get to other news after this, but I thought this was most pressing to address all of this.

00:04:10.000 Faith-based gay group, did you see this?

00:04:11.000 For Ash Wednesday.

00:04:13.000 Coming up to Easter, they put glitter.

00:04:14.000 Do we have that?

00:04:15.000 They put glitter in the ashes.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, right there.

00:04:17.000 We have it right there.

00:04:18.000 They put glitter in the ashes.

00:04:20.000 I don't know why.

00:04:20.000 It's some kind of a statement.

00:04:22.000 And people are mad about it.

00:04:23.000 But honestly, I think they're being rather merciful compared with their original plan of replacing Lent candles with butt plugs.

00:04:32.000 I don't think that's...

00:04:34.000 Welcome to Thursday.

00:04:37.000 Welcome to Thursday.

00:04:37.000 So now let's get to the real news.

00:04:42.000 Valerie Jarrett.

00:04:43.000 Did you read that?

00:04:43.000 Valerie Jarrett is moving in with the Obamas.

00:04:45.000 This was a big thing.

00:04:46.000 It was trending all day today.

00:04:47.000 Valerie Jarrett is moving in with the Obamas, the most trusted senior advisor, moving into their D.C. home.

00:04:53.000 And this is because there's speculation that they have a plan to enter sort of liberal politics and create these think tanks.

00:04:57.000 The only thing worse than a Jimmy Carter presidency is a Jimmy Carter post-president.

00:05:01.000 Yes.

00:05:01.000 I think that's Rush Limbaugh who said it.

00:05:03.000 I don't know who says it.

00:05:04.000 My dad says it all the time when he's yelling at the TV without pants.

00:05:06.000 His post-presidency!

00:05:09.000 So Valerie Jarrett, by the way, whose family we know are open communists from FBI documents.

00:05:16.000 This is important to note.

00:05:19.000 Valerie Jarrett's daughter was also recently hired by CNN to cover Trump in the Justice Department.

00:05:25.000 Did you know this?

00:05:26.000 So Valerie Jarrett, moving with the Obamas, Valerie Jarrett's daughter hired to CNN to cover Donald Trump. 0.97

00:05:31.000 And first off, it would make one hell of a sitcom.

00:05:35.000 Valerie Jarrett was moving with the Obamas.

00:05:37.000 That's our communist!

00:05:39.000 Noted communist and daughter working with CNN. And people wonder why Americans don't trust the media these days.

00:05:46.000 We'll get into that more as far as all the relationships.

00:05:53.000 Don't miss it.

00:05:54.000 I didn't know about that one.

00:05:55.000 World premiere.

00:05:56.000 World premiere on TBS. They have to compete with Tyler Perry.

00:05:59.000 That's not easy.

00:06:00.000 That's not easy.

00:06:01.000 Tough stuff right there.

00:06:01.000 The lead-in is, Medea says, learn!

00:06:06.000 CNN hires her daughter, moving in with the Obamas.

00:06:09.000 It gets to a certain point with Chris Cuomo, with Wolf Blitzer, Jarrett hired at CNN. You've got to wonder what the hiring practices are even like there.

00:06:17.000 All right, well, thanks for coming in.

00:06:19.000 It's been great talking to you.

00:06:20.000 I really appreciate it.

00:06:21.000 You've got some great experience here.

00:06:22.000 You've worked with a lot of great news organizations, done some good stuff.

00:06:26.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:06:28.000 We're going to talk about this, and I'll be in touch after I discuss it with some people.

00:06:31.000 But I really...

00:06:32.000 Oh, really?

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:35.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 No kidding.

00:06:37.000 No, yeah.

00:06:38.000 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 Oh, you're hired.

00:06:39.000 Really?

00:06:39.000 Yeah.

00:06:40.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:40.000 You're good.

00:06:41.000 Thanks for coming in.

00:06:41.000 We appreciate that.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, no, it's good to have you here.

00:06:43.000 See you next week.

00:06:44.000 All right, thank you.

00:06:45.000 I don't know how I get all this exclusive footage from the offices.

00:06:49.000 That's part of the leaks.

00:06:51.000 I'll tell you what, your support of the Mug Club is really leading to a level of professionalism.

00:06:58.000 Unparalleled.

00:06:58.000 Anywhere on YouTube.com slash Steven Crowder.

00:07:01.000 I don't really know at this point.

00:07:02.000 The one thing is, you know, we've talked about this before, but I don't think people know how entrenched the media is with the DNC and particularly with the Clintons.

00:07:09.000 We can go through a few examples here.

00:07:12.000 George Stephanopoulos.

00:07:13.000 Now, a lot of young people don't know this about George Stephanopoulos.

00:07:16.000 Look at that.

00:07:17.000 First off, he's the third member of Siegfried and Roy.

00:07:20.000 He's going to be dragged out by a tiger and a leotard very soon.

00:07:24.000 He was Bill Clinton's communications director.

00:07:26.000 He was a Democratic Party advisor.

00:07:28.000 Now, you know this, I know this, but a lot of people who watch the show who are younger don't know that.

00:07:31.000 This is a guy who's hosting ABC News.

00:07:33.000 news he's the host of this week literally worked for the clintons you don't need a conspiracy you don't need to talk about chemtrails or john podesta uh with little boys in his basement at a pizza parlor this actually happened donna brazil donna brazil of course al gore's campaign manager twice the interim chairperson for the dnc caught sneaking debate questions to hillary clinton worked for cnn openly working for cnn as a correspondent chuck todd Chuck Todd, Democrat campaign staffer, worked on 92...

00:08:01.000 Sorry, worked for the 92 presidential campaigns.

00:08:03.000 I was going to say worked in 92 presidential campaigns.

00:08:05.000 That's impressive.

00:08:06.000 He must moisturize.

00:08:07.000 He is a go-getter.

00:08:08.000 He worked for the 92... 0.56

00:08:10.000 I don't know.

00:08:10.000 I must have had a stroke today.

00:08:11.000 My mouth is not working.

00:08:12.000 The point is, the guy's a Democrat.

00:08:13.000 The point is, the guy's worked for the DNC. We're good to go.

00:08:37.000 I tweeted him.

00:08:38.000 I don't know.

00:08:38.000 This is a genuine question.

00:08:40.000 Does Chris Cuomo actually still think he's a news anchor?

00:08:43.000 Or does he consider himself an opinion journalist?

00:08:45.000 I don't know.

00:08:46.000 It's got to be opinion, right?

00:08:48.000 No.

00:08:48.000 He has to know that.

00:08:49.000 I think he considers himself a news anchor.

00:08:51.000 Okay.

00:08:52.000 And, you know, the reason for this from the left is they operate from this basis, I think, from Chris Cuomo.

00:08:59.000 The only way he could consider himself a news anchor and not an opinion journalist, when he's more opinionated, more slanted than this show, we're incredibly biased, don't get me wrong, but at least we try to admit it and explain it and explore what kind of bias we have and where we might be wrong.

00:09:12.000 Chris Cuomo doesn't even allow room for that.

00:09:14.000 And I think he would consider himself a news anchor as opposed to opinion journalist because today's progressive lefts It's not necessarily facts or statistics based, but it's just, you know what?

00:09:24.000 I know the way society should work.

00:09:26.000 It should be this way.

00:09:28.000 Therefore, news.

00:09:30.000 You know, there are 37 genders. 1.00

00:09:32.000 Therefore, every single boy who wants to compete as a girl or a girl who wants to take steroids should win female wrestling state titles. 0.91

00:09:38.000 We know that society should work where marriage is between whoever wants it to be.

00:09:43.000 Therefore, this is news.

00:09:45.000 We know George Bush was a war criminal.

00:09:47.000 Therefore, news.

00:09:48.000 We know Hillary Clinton was supposed to be the first female president. 0.70

00:09:51.000 Therefore, news.

00:09:52.000 And their opinion now, if you base it on that foundation of, I know how society should work in New York City better than you do...

00:10:00.000 Then you consider it all news.

00:10:02.000 Yeah, even as entrenched as I think we are in our ideas, we hold this principle that maybe we're going to be wrong and we probably won't know it when we are wrong.

00:10:09.000 Right.

00:10:09.000 So listening to other people that have a different opinion is pretty good.

00:10:12.000 It is a good idea.

00:10:13.000 When asked for his opinion as to why people believed he wasn't a legitimate journalist, Chris Cuomo had this to say.

00:10:21.000 Oh, man.

00:10:23.000 Oh, God.

00:10:24.000 Oh, man.

00:10:25.000 Oh, God.

00:10:28.000 Oh, man.

00:10:30.000 You need to calm down, Chris Cuomo.

00:10:31.000 He worked up.

00:10:33.000 He gets himself too worked up.

00:10:34.000 And I do, as much as I don't like him, I worry about the man's health.

00:10:34.000 He does.

00:10:37.000 Yes.

00:10:38.000 I do think, and you know, talking about that too, this idea, exploring it a little deeper, that news reporters who fancy themselves arbiters of how society should work, therefore everything's acceptable as news as opposed to opinion.

00:10:50.000 There's this idea that there was a golden age of journalism.

00:10:52.000 And I I don't know.

00:10:53.000 I feel like I'm one of the few people who maintains that never actually existed.

00:10:57.000 There was never a golden age of journalism, certainly not since the 70s.

00:11:01.000 Walter Cronkite's as bad as anyone there's ever been.

00:11:04.000 He's just as bad as Cuomo.

00:11:05.000 I mean, Walter Cronkite said, you can't be a reporter and be a liberal.

00:11:08.000 You can find the quote very easily, but people fancy him as this unbiased journalist.

00:11:12.000 I don't think there's ever—I don't think human beings are capable— This is entirely my opinion.

00:11:19.000 That's why I have much more respect for people who are open about something on which they're incredibly biased and say, this is how I justify that worldview.

00:11:28.000 Because I feel as though Chris Cuomo, Wolf Blitzer, take your pick.

00:11:32.000 They're all trying to justify the worldview.

00:11:34.000 They're all trying to reinforce it.

00:11:35.000 But some do so under the guise of news.

00:11:37.000 Am I alone in that?

00:11:38.000 No, I respect people that give me an opportunity to see a reasonable case made for somebody else's opinion. 1.00

00:11:43.000 Even though I may disagree and think they're idiots. 1.00

00:11:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:46.000 But it's a reasonable presentation.

00:11:47.000 Not like some nut job on the left or the right.

00:11:49.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 I think it's important, by the way, to see the difference.

00:11:52.000 Note the difference.

00:11:53.000 Not KJ talked about this during the show pitch meeting where he was much more talkative than today.

00:11:58.000 Apparently a cat literally scraped out his tongue.

00:12:00.000 He's like that dummy lady in Dead Silent. 0.70

00:12:04.000 No one here watches horror movies. 0.91

00:12:05.000 That's right. 0.93

00:12:06.000 You're all pansies. 0.97

00:12:06.000 I forgot about this. 0.97

00:12:08.000 You'll hide under the covers and watch reruns of Three's Company, which is also why you're under the covers.

00:12:13.000 Suzanne Somers.

00:12:15.000 Wow.

00:12:17.000 And then you have these people who come in and then you throw these buzzwords out.

00:12:19.000 This is what worries me a little bit about the modern sort of alt-right, quasi-conservative populism movement where people go, oh man, corporate media!

00:12:26.000 Now we just exposed and we just talked about the media and how biased they are.

00:12:31.000 And I totally agree with that.

00:12:32.000 But if you throw out the corporate media, yeah, that's a problem, but you would prefer...

00:12:36.000 Government media?

00:12:37.000 I mean, you have these same people out there who have Trump in their avatar, Pepe the Frog, and then they go, BBC Man or NPR. Are you out of your tree, sir?

00:12:47.000 Government-funded media.

00:12:48.000 We talked about this.

00:12:49.000 Canada literally had two parts, NDP and the Liberal Party.

00:12:51.000 Justin Trudeau won.

00:12:52.000 I can't remember who promised what.

00:12:53.000 I think it was Justin Trudeau promised another $100 million to CBC, the Canadian, the government-funded news entity in Canada.

00:13:01.000 If he won, guess who won?

00:13:03.000 Justin Trudeau.

00:13:05.000 And for some reason, people assume NPR is somehow unbiased just because they're boring.

00:13:05.000 Smart man.

00:13:10.000 That's one thing, too.

00:13:11.000 People like to assume passion equals dishonesty.

00:13:15.000 And somehow, if you're sitting there talking about your lesbian folk trio on NPR, people are like, oh, this is unbiased.

00:13:22.000 If you guys have been listening to NPR, they have the worst slant of anyone out there. 0.95

00:13:22.000 And that's one thing. 0.95

00:13:26.000 If you think that is damn fine reporting, you need a CAT scan.

00:13:29.000 It's the exact same thing, where they operate under the assumption of the liberal premise.

00:13:34.000 They operate under the assumption of, well, gender, of course, has nothing to do with biology.

00:13:39.000 One's gender is not determined by one's sex.

00:13:41.000 And they'll go on.

00:13:42.000 And you're like, if you just don't understand what you're hearing, you go, yeah, NPR sounds like they're factual, because this, I mean, why would they broadcast anything this boring if it I want to see the number of car wrecks associated with NPR listenership.

00:13:55.000 Yes, yes, exactly.

00:13:56.000 I fell asleep, officer.

00:13:58.000 And, you know, same thing, too.

00:13:59.000 We can't compete with NPR's podcast.

00:14:00.000 Everyone's like, oh, their podcast, Serial, is always at the top.

00:14:04.000 Well, of course it's at the top.

00:14:05.000 These are independent podcasts.

00:14:05.000 No one else.

00:14:06.000 We can't compete against a never-ring supply of federal funding.

00:14:10.000 It's like, Serial is number one.

00:14:11.000 Oh, how much did you get from the government?

00:14:13.000 19 trillion zillion dollars.

00:14:16.000 I can see why. 0.99

00:14:17.000 Well, no wonder you're beating Joe Rogan, dicks. 0.99

00:14:20.000 My point is this. 0.84

00:14:21.000 I really think it's just important, instead of just under the blind assumption that this person is biased, this person is not biased, we always tell you that we are biased.

00:14:29.000 But be aware of what you're watching and be able to parse it yourselves.

00:14:34.000 If you look at the connection with the media, there's no denying that they lean left.

00:14:37.000 But the same thing if you tune into a Sean Hannity, who at this point effectively acts as a surrogate for Donald Trump.

00:14:42.000 And I like Donald Trump, and I actually like Sean Hannity.

00:14:44.000 You need to be aware of what you're watching.

00:14:47.000 The golden age in journalism, I don't think it ever existed.

00:14:50.000 I just don't think people were aware of what it was that they were consuming.

00:14:52.000 We'll talk more about that after this break.

00:14:55.000 Then Jordan Beers and an Owen Benjamin.

00:14:57.000 My voice is going high.

00:14:58.000 I'm in the break.

00:14:59.000 Welcome to another installment of The Reasonable Conversationalist on NPR.

00:15:10.000 This week, we are joined by William Jarrett, Valerie Jarrett's husband, Tom.

00:15:16.000 Thank you for being with us, William.

00:15:17.000 Thank you for having me.

00:15:18.000 Now, William, of course, you've been working with your wife in politics for years on the equal rights on which we all agree for the LGBTQAI community, correct?

00:15:30.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:15:31.000 Fascinating.

00:15:32.000 And truly is a civil rights struggle of our time on which all Americans can agree.

00:15:38.000 How can we best move forward, of course, in assuring that none of us will, for example, misgender one of the current 57 available offerings?

00:15:47.000 Well, I just think that you should probably ask them what they prefer to be called.

00:15:51.000 Well, that sounds entirely reasonable.

00:15:53.000 Join us again next week for another installment of The Reasonable Conversationalist on NPR. Music I

00:16:27.000 call that my Edward the Sound Guy dance.

00:16:30.000 I think he was inspired by this, so he was just pointing pistols at you at G. Morgan Jr.

00:16:37.000 Well, that's not nice.

00:16:37.000 It's not very nice.

00:16:38.000 At this point, I actually have a pistol in my office aimed squarely at Edward the Sound Guy.

00:16:43.000 It's on a stand.

00:16:44.000 You just have a button you can push.

00:16:46.000 That's the truth.

00:16:47.000 You're never supposed to aim a gun at somebody, but if you have a gun in a room, Anywhere.

00:16:51.000 It's always aimed at somebody.

00:16:53.000 Oh yeah, I always cross the front of mine.

00:16:54.000 If I was in the bathroom, technically it would go through the wall.

00:16:56.000 Right.

00:16:57.000 But it's there.

00:16:58.000 And I feel better about it.

00:16:58.000 Right.

00:16:59.000 I sleep better knowing it's there.

00:17:01.000 My AR-15 would take out the pool guy. 0.91

00:17:03.000 He wouldn't even see it coming.

00:17:05.000 It's awesome.

00:17:06.000 It's aimed at the wall.

00:17:07.000 It's not aimed at anybody.

00:17:08.000 If it's aimed at Edward...

00:17:09.000 It's aimed at me, too.

00:17:10.000 It's true.

00:17:11.000 Son of a...

00:17:12.000 Yeah, it's loaded with hollow point.38s at this point.

00:17:16.000 It's not going to overpenetrate.

00:17:17.000 Edward's a thick enough fellow.

00:17:19.000 It's a.39 caliber magazine.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, if it were Jared sitting there, that would be much more of a problem.

00:17:25.000 You'd both be taken out.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:17:27.000 It'd be like going through a magazine and then into a paperback.

00:17:31.000 But in this case, Edward would stop it.

00:17:34.000 Speaking about the media, and listen...

00:17:37.000 I'm amazed if the media wants to talk about, you know, being banned, right?

00:17:40.000 CNN, they were banned.

00:17:41.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:17:43.000 I'm amazed that there's no commentary right now on this from Europe.

00:17:45.000 Do you see this with Marie Le Pen?

00:17:47.000 So Marie Le Pen, France, obviously, listen, undoubtedly a flawed human being, Marie Le Pen.

00:17:52.000 So first off, don't expect us to defend everything that Marie Le Pen has done.

00:17:55.000 But this story here, for those who don't understand, let me clarify it for you.

00:17:58.000 Let me break this down so that then we can talk about it.

00:18:00.000 In 2015, Le Pen tweeted out some gruesome pictures of what ISIS actually does.

00:18:07.000 Specifically what they did to the American reporter, James Foley.

00:18:13.000 So, the socialist left in Europe, European Parliament, just voted to retroactively...

00:18:20.000 Now, there's immunity, I guess, applied to certain people, to politicians, where you're not allowed to post certain kinds of images.

00:18:25.000 Basically, it's an infringement on free speech.

00:18:27.000 There is an immunity that applies to certain politicians, to certain figureheads in Europe.

00:18:33.000 Okay, so this applied to Marie Le Pen.

00:18:34.000 It applied to Marie Le Pen in 2015 when she tweeted these images out.

00:18:38.000 European Parliament elected to retroactively remove her immunity so they can now prosecute her for a crime in 2015, which was totally legal in 2015.

00:18:51.000 And what was her crime?

00:18:53.000 Free speech.

00:18:54.000 Free speech.

00:18:55.000 Tweeting out something that actually happened.

00:18:56.000 They weren't classified pictures?

00:18:58.000 They weren't anything like that?

00:18:59.000 No.

00:19:00.000 Yeah, they weren't classified pictures.

00:19:00.000 It was public?

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 You could actually find the images on Google.

00:19:04.000 She didn't know who it was at the time that she was tweeting out.

00:19:06.000 When the family contacted her, she immediately removed it.

00:19:09.000 Right.

00:19:09.000 So she did everything right, it seems.

00:19:11.000 Well, listen, again, she's a flawed person. 0.98

00:19:13.000 I don't know where her heart was with that, but she has a real problem with Islamic terrorism, as do I, and she was trying to showcase them for the evil that they are. 1.00

00:19:19.000 You'd be in jail.

00:19:20.000 Yeah, I would be in jail.

00:19:21.000 You definitely would be in jail.

00:19:21.000 Well, if I were in Europe.

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.000 So let's apply this to the United States.

00:19:25.000 And again...

00:19:26.000 You know, you have the media with CNN and they were furious that they weren't allowed into Trump's impromptu press conference.

00:19:32.000 He called it an impromptu press gaggle.

00:19:34.000 And I talked about that Monday.

00:19:35.000 Have a problem with it.

00:19:36.000 I think CNN is incredibly biased, but as a conservative, I don't believe that we should be in the business of banning any voices.

00:19:42.000 I want to see more.

00:19:43.000 Rather than banning CNN or Politico or New York Times, I'd love to see Donald Trump keep them there and then include new voices.

00:19:50.000 That's what I want to see.

00:19:51.000 So I talked about that.

00:19:52.000 I've tried to be consistent with that.

00:19:53.000 But if CNN is going to complain about not being allowed into an impromptu press gaggle, If this were in the United States, let's apply what this were.

00:20:02.000 Imagine that you, in 2015, committed an entirely legal act.

00:20:06.000 You spoke out.

00:20:07.000 You spoke out and you said something that was unpopular.

00:20:09.000 It wasn't even racist, but it was based on something that actually happened, a news event that was offensive.

00:20:14.000 Picture this.

00:20:15.000 You did that in 2015.

00:20:16.000 It's entirely legal.

00:20:18.000 Today, because people don't like what you have to say, political opponents retroactively vote to make that illegal.

00:20:26.000 And remove your ability to speak freely based on something you did in 2015.

00:20:30.000 Pamela Geller would be in a jail cell before noon. 1.00

00:20:33.000 Yes.

00:20:34.000 And not the padded room that some would suggest.

00:20:38.000 I actually like Pamela Geller. 0.99

00:20:39.000 But when she appears on media, sometimes she's like, what?

00:20:43.000 Yes.

00:20:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:45.000 You're like, whoa.

00:20:46.000 Easy.

00:20:46.000 Calm down, Pamela.

00:20:48.000 Decaf.

00:20:49.000 You and Cuomo need to get in the same relaxation program.

00:20:52.000 Yeah.

00:20:52.000 Are you amazed that we haven't heard?

00:20:53.000 No one's talking about this.

00:20:54.000 I'm shocked because this is only a political hit job.

00:20:57.000 So you can ask, the European Union can be asked to take away the immunity from anybody who's not performing parliamentary functions, right, if it's an illegal thing.

00:21:06.000 That's what they did.

00:21:07.000 They said this is not a parliamentary function that she was performing.

00:21:09.000 By the way, parliament serves no function.

00:21:12.000 We can take it.

00:21:12.000 That's true.

00:21:13.000 So I guess this is an oxymoron.

00:21:15.000 Whatever.

00:21:16.000 But anyway, she was voted on by political people that are opponents of hers.

00:21:20.000 Of course she pissed all of them off.

00:21:22.000 And of course they're like, well, we don't like you and this is a really easy way for us to get rid of you.

00:21:25.000 She's arguing, though, that that was her fighting.

00:21:28.000 All she was just showing is that this is what Islam is all about. 1.00

00:21:30.000 This is what this group is about.

00:21:32.000 And now she's paying the price.

00:21:33.000 Well, I think they're thinking, hey, you know what?

00:21:34.000 This broad could win this thing. 0.99

00:21:35.000 That's what I think is really going on.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, it just so happens that her numbers are going way up right now.

00:21:40.000 Yeah, as a result of this.

00:21:40.000 And they don't understand.

00:21:41.000 It's like they're giving her a gift.

00:21:43.000 Yeah.

00:21:43.000 Like, listen, she is an abrasive person, Marie Le Pen.

00:21:46.000 I think she's got a brass pair. 1.00

00:21:48.000 And again, I don't agree with everything she does, but sometimes when she walked in with, was it the ambassador, the Iranian ambassador?

00:21:55.000 Was she walking in and wanted her to wear a headscarf? 0.55

00:21:56.000 She's walked in, and it wasn't even a second thought.

00:21:58.000 She's like, no, I'm not wearing that.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 You wear it.

00:22:02.000 You wear it or you go home.

00:22:03.000 Bye.

00:22:05.000 I have an incredible amount of respect for that.

00:22:07.000 I don't have to agree with her about everything.

00:22:09.000 By the way, someone who can be, I'm not saying she's an abhorrent person at all. 0.87

00:22:13.000 I'm saying someone, let's say you were to take someone who's like the worst racist in the world.

00:22:16.000 It doesn't mean that they can't be right about something. 0.81

00:22:19.000 And I'm not saying that Marie Le Pen is the worst racist in the world.

00:22:21.000 I'm saying even if you don't agree with everything she has to say, she's not wrong about everything.

00:22:25.000 And in this instance, there are lines in the sand for freedom of speech and for the left to constantly line up against it.

00:22:32.000 You need to see what's happening in Europe.

00:22:33.000 And here's what's so important about that.

00:22:35.000 People say, well, that wouldn't happen in the States.

00:22:36.000 But Bernie Sanders wants us to be like Europe.

00:22:38.000 Nancy Pelosi wants us to be like Europe.

00:22:40.000 Hillary Clinton wants us to be like Europe.

00:22:41.000 And guess what?

00:22:41.000 You cannot remove from that.

00:22:43.000 You cannot extract from Europe just the socialism policies.

00:22:46.000 You can't extract the fiscal authoritarianism while removing the free speech authoritarianism.

00:22:51.000 You can't say, we want to be like Europe and talk about a 70% income tax rate or whatever it is, or talk about what's going on in Norway or talk about what's going on in Iceland.

00:22:58.000 You cannot say that and then say, but you know what, we want to keep our freedom of speech.

00:23:02.000 Europe as a whole, it's an ecosystem, and because of the economic authoritarianism, it has to rely on cultural authoritarianism.

00:23:11.000 You can't take it.

00:23:12.000 You can't buffet this thing.

00:23:13.000 And that's one thing where a lot of people who are moving along the trail, like, I'm an anti-social justice warrior, but I like Bernie Sanders' socialism.

00:23:19.000 This is where it leads always, always, you can find me zero historical examples of it not ending this way.

00:23:28.000 And lots of people typically die, too.

00:23:30.000 This is true.

00:23:30.000 Lots of people typically die.

00:23:33.000 Remember Bernie Sanders?

00:23:34.000 Bread lines, when you think about them, are actually a good thing.

00:23:36.000 No!

00:23:38.000 No, they're not, Bernie.

00:23:39.000 What do you mean?

00:23:41.000 By the way, did you see Venezuela's down to like the last couple bucks?

00:23:43.000 Yeah.

00:23:45.000 That was in the news.

00:23:46.000 And borrowed money.

00:23:46.000 Yeah.

00:23:47.000 Bernie Sanders looking at him going, Why don't you just bake up some more rye?

00:23:56.000 Bernie.

00:23:58.000 Speaking of things I hate about the press, let's move along.

00:24:00.000 An alternative response to Trump's address to Congress on Tuesday.

00:24:05.000 This is Making the Rounds.

00:24:05.000 It's very popular because of Vox.

00:24:08.000 It came from a Latino woman in Spanish talking about immigrants, talking about Donald Trump's racist policy against Mexicans.

00:24:16.000 And no, by the way, we're not talking about the statement, the brilliant statement that Conan O'Brien made in broadcasting from Mexico.

00:24:24.000 Donate.

00:24:26.000 Huh?

00:24:27.000 Ah?

00:24:28.000 Look at that.

00:24:33.000 I don't know what the point was.

00:24:35.000 That doesn't show the whole story, by the way.

00:24:36.000 They didn't show you what happened after the show when he was going back to his hotel.

00:24:42.000 What happened between the show and the hotel.

00:24:44.000 We usually have better Photoshop jobs.

00:24:56.000 laughing laughter Even for us, I need to formally apologize.

00:25:01.000 No, it was Dreamer and activist.

00:25:03.000 Her name is Astrid Silva.

00:25:05.000 Gave a response in Spanish on Telemundo and Univision.

00:25:08.000 Two things I hate.

00:25:10.000 As a Dreamer, she wrote this.

00:25:13.000 And the left is healing this as a bold message for Latinos.

00:25:15.000 She wrote, In this country, there is no space for discrimination, racial profiling, or persecution.

00:25:20.000 But sadly, this is what the Trump administration has brought forth for Latino and immigrants.

00:25:27.000 Does anyone want to take a crack as to why this is false?

00:25:32.000 This is too easy, right?

00:25:33.000 I feel like this is a trick question.

00:25:35.000 It's not a trick question.

00:25:37.000 It's not like common core math where it's like, what's two plus two? 0.99

00:25:40.000 And you're like, it's 492, bitch! 1.00

00:25:44.000 They're saying he's against Latinos and immigrants. 1.00

00:25:47.000 Let's think for a second.

00:25:49.000 Doesn't seem like Donald Trump hates immigrants because his wife is an immigrant and he has plenty of immigrants who are either married into his family or immigrants who he works with.

00:25:54.000 He seems to have a lot of respect for immigrants.

00:25:56.000 So let's think.

00:25:57.000 If it's clear that he doesn't necessarily hate all immigrants, what is the problem that he has if he's talking about building a wall in immigration policy?

00:26:04.000 Can anyone think about it?

00:26:07.000 Send us your comments right now.

00:26:08.000 Tweet me at S. Crowder.

00:26:12.000 Could it be that there's some sort of a delineation, perhaps?

00:26:16.000 I'm going to keep doing this until someone pipes up.

00:26:18.000 Apparently Jared and Gerald are asleep.

00:26:19.000 I'm going to take a stab.

00:26:21.000 Riskier. 0.98

00:26:21.000 I'm going to take a stab. 0.98

00:26:22.000 I guess there's a delineation between legal and illegal immigrants.

00:26:26.000 There you go.

00:26:28.000 I waited so long and I knew the answer the whole time. 1.00

00:26:32.000 It's science, bitch! 1.00

00:26:34.000 It is remarkable. 1.00

00:26:36.000 This is a sleight of hand you see from the left all the time.

00:26:38.000 And they continue to do it.

00:26:39.000 And people aren't buying it. 0.94

00:26:40.000 Donald Trump hates immigrants.

00:26:42.000 Donald Trump came out and he made some comments about Mexicans at one point that were poorly worded.

00:26:42.000 Here's the deal.

00:26:47.000 They're not said of their best. 0.97

00:26:48.000 They're said of rapists. 0.92

00:26:49.000 And it's like, ugh. 0.94

00:26:51.000 Okay, Don.

00:26:51.000 Jeez.

00:26:52.000 And listen, I know Donald doesn't mean to say that all Mexicans are rapists and that's what they tried to run with. 0.98

00:26:56.000 But it was poorly worded. 0.97

00:26:58.000 Rather than jump on that, now they're going, he hates all immigrants.

00:27:01.000 So they've squandered the lead that they had.

00:27:05.000 Hold on a second.

00:27:06.000 He clearly doesn't hate all immigrants.

00:27:08.000 He just has a problem with illegal immigration.

00:27:11.000 Hold on a second.

00:27:12.000 I voted for Hillary, but... 1.00

00:27:13.000 Yeah, I don't like that either.

00:27:14.000 I don't like illegal immigration either.

00:27:15.000 Is it me?

00:27:16.000 Am I racist?

00:27:16.000 You did Obama like six years ago.

00:27:18.000 Six years ago.

00:27:20.000 It is the fundamental delineation.

00:27:22.000 And this is why you just throw it out.

00:27:23.000 It's really easy to end this debate when this happens.

00:27:26.000 You don't need to get into it unless you accept that there's a delineation between illegal and legal immigrants.

00:27:31.000 Don't even engage in the discussion when someone says, well, Donald Trump hates immigrants.

00:27:33.000 Or when they say, well, building a wall is anti-immigrant.

00:27:35.000 Just say, no.

00:27:37.000 Illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:27:40.000 People aren't illegal.

00:27:41.000 Okay.

00:27:41.000 You prefer the word criminal?

00:27:43.000 Criminal immigrant. 1.00

00:27:44.000 Yes.

00:27:45.000 That could work.

00:27:45.000 That's what they say, right?

00:27:46.000 They're like, people are not illegal.

00:27:48.000 Acts are illegal.

00:27:49.000 Okay.

00:27:49.000 Illegal acts committed by a criminal.

00:27:52.000 Well, you said this last time we were talking about it about a year ago.

00:27:54.000 Not in Trump, but we were talking about it in general.

00:27:56.000 You said, look, we're either a nation of laws or we're not.

00:27:58.000 Right.

00:27:58.000 One way or the other.

00:27:59.000 Pick.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:01.000 Pick.

00:28:01.000 And while we're at it, while you pick, we found this public service video, children's video actually, which hopefully we'll be able to drill it into your noggins, exactly how to make the delineation between legal and illegal.

00:28:14.000 I hope this is informative.

00:28:15.000 I'm legal.

00:28:22.000 And I'm illegal.

00:28:23.000 I follow the law, respected the process, you see.

00:28:26.000 I just came here illegally.

00:28:28.000 To some, immigration is nuanced, almost subliminal.

00:28:31.000 Don't look at me. 0.62

00:28:32.000 I'm just a criminal.

00:28:33.000 I work the skilled trade and pay legal taxes.

00:28:36.000 I just came here to sell all the taxes.

00:28:38.000 I came here on a work visa, then took my naturalization oath.

00:28:42.000 One time, I killed a guy.

00:28:45.000 It seems you're confused.

00:28:46.000 Let's play a game.

00:28:47.000 You ask if it's legal, then I will explain.

00:28:50.000 Okay.

00:28:51.000 Okay.

00:28:51.000 Paying state tax?

00:28:53.000 Legal.

00:28:54.000 Stealing cocaine?

00:28:55.000 Illegal.

00:28:56.000 Buying a TV?

00:28:56.000 Legal.

00:28:57.000 Stealing a TV?

00:28:58.000 Illegal.

00:28:59.000 Protesting the government?

00:29:00.000 Legal.

00:29:01.000 Killing a guy in the government?

00:29:03.000 Illegal. 0.97

00:29:03.000 Kidnapping you for racism? 0.97

00:29:05.000 Illegal.

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00:29:54.000 I didn't do the kata for this one because I feel like I've been educating people on the art of kata far too much.

00:30:20.000 Actually, very excited to have this next guest because when I grew up and I was starting in comedy, I knew who he was and watched him with my brother back when MySpace was still a thing.

00:30:28.000 You can follow him on Twitter at Owen Benjamin.

00:30:32.000 He has the podcast, Why Didn't They Laugh?

00:30:34.000 Good stuff and big fan.

00:30:36.000 Owen Benjamin, thank you for being on the show, sir.

00:30:37.000 Thanks for having me.

00:30:38.000 I'm a fan of yours as well. 0.98

00:30:39.000 Oh, don't say that because then I'll get a big head and this show will begin to suck. 1.00

00:30:43.000 I'll be like not K. Jarrett at that point. 0.63

00:30:45.000 People say, why are you still gainfully employed?

00:30:48.000 I watched you back when you did the Fanny Pack song.

00:30:50.000 We were just talking about this.

00:30:51.000 First off, let me just...

00:30:52.000 There's no way to...

00:30:52.000 Off air.

00:30:53.000 Okay, let's just talk about what happened.

00:30:55.000 There's no way to...

00:30:56.000 So we were preparing the shot, and Owen Benjamin was on the other side of Skype, and we're sitting there, and we see this black thing in his teeth.

00:31:06.000 Now, it's not super clear.

00:31:07.000 I have a small monitor, and my producer's going, is that food in his teeth?

00:31:12.000 So for two minutes, we were trying to work around it.

00:31:14.000 We're knocking Jared saying, hey, Owen, can you change the lighting?

00:31:16.000 Back up with the camera a little bit?

00:31:17.000 Because we weren't sure if he had a space in his teeth or it was food, and then finally we're Googling image searches.

00:31:24.000 What?

00:31:25.000 Does he have that space in his teeth?

00:31:27.000 And I ask him, Owen, do you have any food in your teeth?

00:31:28.000 Oh yeah, it was pizza.

00:31:31.000 Hey, you guys are like, just for lighting, can you quickly get braces for four years?

00:31:39.000 Can you go get your retainer for us and call us back in eight months?

00:31:44.000 Well, good.

00:31:44.000 That's one of your best features, too, your teeth.

00:31:46.000 So look at that.

00:31:47.000 Well, that worked out.

00:31:48.000 Look at that.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:31:49.000 Very healthy.

00:31:50.000 How much would he have hated us if we let him do that, though?

00:31:51.000 We're like best friends.

00:31:53.000 I know.

00:31:54.000 We got his back.

00:31:55.000 Well, that's the challenge.

00:31:56.000 And then all these dudes with...

00:31:59.000 Spaces in their teeth come to my shows because I'm like the brave one and then they find out I don't really have one.

00:32:06.000 Man, if he can do it, all of us can make it.

00:32:08.000 It's kind of like redheads. 1.00

00:32:09.000 And then they get to the end of the rainbow and they realize there's no pot of gold for you redheads. 1.00

00:32:13.000 No.

00:32:15.000 So, Owen...

00:32:17.000 I found out you were tweeting me, and by the way, do you remember Tom Vrav?

00:32:21.000 Did you ever do stand-up with him?

00:32:23.000 He used to work in L.A. a bit.

00:32:25.000 He was kind of doing open mics and coming up, and he was a big fan of yours, and like Kyle Dunnigan.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, love Kyle Dunnigan.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, so maybe you don't remember Tom, but I remember just, that was kind of an era.

00:32:35.000 There was you, Kyle Dunnigan, gosh.

00:32:38.000 I remember Tom.

00:32:38.000 I totally remember Tom, yeah.

00:32:40.000 Yeah, I wonder what happened to him.

00:32:41.000 You remember those friends who were like, oh man, I wonder what happened to him.

00:32:44.000 He was a funny guy.

00:32:45.000 Most of them hate me now.

00:32:46.000 That's just kind of the nature of comedy.

00:32:48.000 A lot of people think, oh, comedians are silly, but the work ethic required for someone to reach your level of success in this industry, most of the people you've known in your career by this point have probably just dropped off and you're still there.

00:33:01.000 That's a huge part of it. 0.56

00:33:02.000 Yeah, it's almost like a mental optical illusion that you think everyone just keeps succeeding because you're only really paying attention to those people.

00:33:11.000 If you just start thinking of all the funny people you've known and How few of them get to Madison Square Garden?

00:33:16.000 It's pretty hilarious.

00:33:17.000 This is true.

00:33:18.000 Now, you've played the Garden?

00:33:19.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:33:20.000 No, I haven't.

00:33:21.000 I'm one of the people that haven't.

00:33:23.000 Okay.

00:33:25.000 I did just do a tour in England with the Impractical Jokers, though, and I got to do 10,000-20,000 seaters, which is insane.

00:33:34.000 Oh, wow.

00:33:35.000 Now, that's your favorite show, right, Not Gay Jared? 0.88

00:33:36.000 I loved the first season.

00:33:38.000 The first season was really good.

00:33:39.000 I felt like it got a little repetitive as it went on.

00:33:41.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 But it was really funny.

00:33:43.000 Not Gay Jared and I had some disagreements on comedy.

00:33:45.000 And some of the impractical Joker bits were some of them were the ones I thought were funny.

00:33:49.000 He didn't find funny.

00:33:50.000 And then also, the greatest crime against humanity, Not Gay Jared finds Jimmy Fallon funny. 0.98

00:33:55.000 So I don't know how this happens.

00:33:57.000 No way!

00:33:58.000 What's going on, man?

00:33:59.000 Hey, I'm Jimmy Fallon.

00:34:01.000 Right?

00:34:02.000 Right? 1.00

00:34:03.000 Just shut up! 1.00

00:34:04.000 I don't think he's funnier, but I think his show is more entertaining than, say, Kimmel's. 0.99

00:34:08.000 I think it's more entertaining to watch than Kimmel's.

00:34:10.000 Kimmel's gotten old to me.

00:34:12.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:34:12.000 I don't know.

00:34:13.000 There's also Conan is still around, too.

00:34:15.000 There are other programs.

00:34:16.000 You're aware of this.

00:34:17.000 It's non-binary.

00:34:18.000 But we talked about Conan.

00:34:19.000 Okay, so speaking of non-binary, sorry, we have a guest here.

00:34:21.000 Owen Benjamin.

00:34:22.000 So he was tweeting back and forth.

00:34:23.000 You have been going after the Hollywood leftist elite on Twitter, and I just wasn't aware of it.

00:34:28.000 You don't live in L.A. anymore, correct?

00:34:30.000 You removed yourself from that situation.

00:34:32.000 Yeah, because I had a baby and I just, it's just safer here and it's closer to family and I just, you know, I like it up here.

00:34:39.000 But I always have been.

00:34:41.000 I did a tweet a few years ago where I'm like, I came to LA a liberal and now I'm a conservative and none of my opinions changed.

00:34:48.000 Right.

00:34:49.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 It's almost like an outrage Ponzi scheme that went to the point where like, I didn't relate because I was never really into politics.

00:34:59.000 I just, I'm into free speech and You know, just stuff that makes America great.

00:35:07.000 Stuff that makes my job possible.

00:35:10.000 Right.

00:35:10.000 And, you know, you're from Canada.

00:35:11.000 I used to live in the Czech Republic.

00:35:13.000 So it's like I think there's certain people that can see the outcome of government control to a ridiculous degree.

00:35:19.000 Right.

00:35:20.000 And it scares you a little bit.

00:35:22.000 Like a comedian can be sued in Canada.

00:35:24.000 Yes.

00:35:24.000 Well, we had him on, Mike Ward.

00:35:26.000 In the Czech Republic, you go into a store and they still don't.

00:35:29.000 Understand, like, trying to sell things.

00:35:32.000 Right.

00:35:34.000 So, like, I've always been very wary of socialism and things like that.

00:35:39.000 And then on the social front, I don't, you know, I love Thomas Sowell, the economist.

00:35:45.000 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:35:46.000 Yeah, Black Redneck White Liberals, one of my favorite books. 0.77

00:35:48.000 And very conservative economist.

00:35:52.000 And people called him racist, even though he's black from Harlem in 1930.

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:57.000 And I'm like...

00:35:58.000 There's something wrong here, man.

00:36:00.000 Like, you guys are, like, not right in the head anymore.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, I mean, Harlem, back then, we always say this about Ben Carson, like, he's playing pro ball for the black team.

00:36:10.000 He's not in the minor pros.

00:36:11.000 He's not B-League, right?

00:36:12.000 Harlem, kind of like Ben Carson.

00:36:14.000 He was from Detroit, single mother, and tried to stab her, but she was saved by her belt buckle. 0.91

00:36:19.000 This guy has a black experience, you know? 0.60

00:36:21.000 But for some reason, they don't apply it because of their opinions.

00:36:25.000 Right, same with Clarence Thomas.

00:36:27.000 Got, like, massacred by Ted Kennedy and a bunch of other quote-unquote privileged white liberals because, you know...

00:36:35.000 And his grandfather was like a sharecropper.

00:36:39.000 You know, it's like...

00:36:39.000 I just don't understand...

00:36:41.000 Like, I started seeing...

00:36:43.000 And my parents are professors, but they were from, like...

00:36:45.000 You know, they taught at, like, Jesuit colleges and stuff, so they had that, like, moral background that I think a lot of professors don't currently have.

00:36:52.000 And...

00:36:53.000 They don't know what to make of all of it either.

00:36:55.000 They're like, I call them liberals, like it ends in a question mark.

00:36:59.000 Right.

00:36:59.000 Yeah.

00:37:00.000 It's like, is that because they don't relate anymore to the party.

00:37:03.000 They don't relate that every minority is a victim just for existing, that the Constitution doesn't matter, that censorship is good if it hurts people's feelings.

00:37:14.000 You know, I was doing a bit about how a lot of the progressives, I call them indoor cats, and I do this long bit about it, and I started realizing, at first, it was fine.

00:37:25.000 Hollywood laughed, and then it got to the point where it became almost political, and I'm like, no, this is about culture.

00:37:32.000 Our culture can't become this monster of no one can speak, and everyone's judged based on what victim group they're in.

00:37:40.000 And so that's why I just can't call myself a liberal.

00:37:43.000 And that's what's crazy about the entertainment industry.

00:37:45.000 Think about it, right?

00:37:46.000 Until, like, hashtag Oscars so white.

00:37:49.000 As a general rule, comedy and the entertainment industry is a pretty good example of a meritocracy.

00:37:54.000 If you're the best comedian, you tend to do better. 0.98

00:37:56.000 actors, and then now they're going, "Oh, crap. 1.00

00:37:58.000 We gotta give the award to the gay black midget, otherwise there's gonna be a march." And it's changed. 1.00

00:38:05.000 And the thing is for me, I was talking with Nick DiPaolo about this, I think a lot of comedians who were successful from that generation were, you know, Lenny Bruce, liberal, Bill Hicks, liberal, but free speech advocates.

00:38:14.000 So they still think in the clubs they're They're like, no, no.

00:38:17.000 In stand-up, it's still a bastion of free speech.

00:38:19.000 I'm going, you don't live in the world today where the people who paved the way weren't Lenny Bruce or Bill Hicks.

00:38:24.000 It's Amy Schumer and it's Sarah Silverman who are now closing the door behind them for free speech. 0.95

00:38:29.000 That's why people are going online.

00:38:30.000 And stand-up is sort of becoming the PC brigade, if you look at people at the top.

00:38:35.000 I totally agree.

00:38:36.000 And it's like, I don't think anyone can say what's funny.

00:38:40.000 You know, where it's like, oh, that's not funny.

00:38:42.000 It's like, I'll show you a thousand people laughing.

00:38:45.000 Like, it's not funny to you.

00:38:47.000 And I don't think people have the right to do that.

00:38:49.000 And a lot of these PC brigade upper echelon people used to be free speech, and now they're shifting.

00:38:57.000 And that's what I'm like, the way that a lot of them...

00:38:59.000 Like, I used to love Sarah Silverman when she would be very irreverent and very, you know, she'd talk about how...

00:39:06.000 You know, just her irreverent jokes. 1.00

00:39:08.000 I remember she talked about the, like, Christian Children's Fund, like those sort of Save African Children, and she was like, oh my god, who's allowing these kids to get pregnant? 0.97

00:39:17.000 Because they all had, like, the bellies.

00:39:18.000 And everyone was like, oh!

00:39:19.000 She was cringe, shock humor, and now she's mad at people simply for voting Donald Trump, claiming it's hate speech. 0.99

00:39:26.000 I just, I can't get my mind around it.

00:39:27.000 That's another thing that got to me.

00:39:29.000 It's like, people would rather overthrow the government than have a president they don't agree with.

00:39:34.000 Like, that to me is shocking.

00:39:36.000 Yeah.

00:39:37.000 You know, and I'm like, you can not like Trump, but just realize he was democratically elected, you know, and you just got to go with that.

00:39:44.000 And it's just, they started talking very scary to me.

00:39:48.000 And that's why I don't really, I'm not going to pretend I agree with any of those things.

00:39:52.000 Well, have you been shunned since you've, because I know you say you've always sort of had these views, but you've become more outspoken about them, certainly on social media.

00:39:59.000 Was it one of those things for you?

00:40:01.000 For me, this is what happened.

00:40:02.000 I was always this way.

00:40:03.000 And I found out pretty quickly, If people find out at all about my views, I mean, I had a manager drop me.

00:40:10.000 I had an agent drop me.

00:40:11.000 I had publicists who wouldn't touch it once they saw some of the things that I had said.

00:40:14.000 I've got to run with this because I can't put that genie back in a bottle.

00:40:14.000 I said, you know what?

00:40:19.000 Is that what happened with you?

00:40:20.000 And do you feel that you've had some friends or people who you consider open-minded who've shunned you since they found out about your views?

00:40:26.000 Yeah, for me, it was being on Sullivan& Son on TBS because it was produced by Vince Vaughn and starring Steve Byrne.

00:40:34.000 Roy Wood Jr., Ahmed Ahmed, all these people.

00:40:37.000 And it was so multicultural, but not in that left victim-y way.

00:40:41.000 Right.

00:40:42.000 And we got no love from like...

00:40:45.000 And we're the number one show on TBS when it was on.

00:40:47.000 And there was, you know, media didn't get behind it.

00:40:49.000 They didn't talk about the triumph of a Korean star.

00:40:52.000 Wait, is that number one outside of Tyler Perry?

00:40:55.000 Is it kind of like the Bible's always the number one bestseller, so they don't even include it on the list anymore?

00:40:58.000 Or were you beating Tyler Perry's Madea Goes Boo?

00:41:03.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:41:03.000 No, well, that's the thing.

00:41:05.000 We didn't have much going against us.

00:41:06.000 We had the reruns of Big Bang, but...

00:41:08.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:10.000 Oh, don't get nominated.

00:41:11.000 Sorry.

00:41:12.000 He hates the Big Bang Theory.

00:41:14.000 Don't, let's just, Jared, we'll talk about that another time.

00:41:16.000 The guest doesn't have that much time.

00:41:17.000 And so I just saw that it was hypocritical, and I got into comedy because I'm not good at lying.

00:41:26.000 Like, I'm just, it's not in my nature to kind of pretend I'm something I'm not, and I still don't really consider myself very political.

00:41:34.000 I just can't agree with this whole identity politics and limiting of free speech and all this stuff that I have so much pride in being American for.

00:41:45.000 Wait, white pride?

00:41:46.000 Did I just hear white pride? 0.99

00:41:48.000 You cis white male! 0.97

00:41:50.000 I love being white. 0.96

00:41:51.000 When cops pull me over, they just high-five me.

00:41:55.000 I know.

00:41:55.000 For me, they just give me dumplings.

00:41:57.000 Let's say they stole off an Asian who they shook down earlier. 0.97

00:41:59.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

00:42:00.000 This is fantastic!

00:42:01.000 They give me their gun.

00:42:02.000 It's great.

00:42:03.000 Yeah, I know.

00:42:05.000 That was one thing that really upset my dad.

00:42:08.000 How long did you spend, what portion of your life, in the Czech Republic?

00:42:13.000 I was there for a year 1999.

00:42:17.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:17.000 Now, are your parents from there?

00:42:20.000 No, I was a World War II history major, and I really wanted to study history there.

00:42:26.000 I thought he was an immigrant here.

00:42:28.000 I was like, oh, really?

00:42:28.000 I didn't know about that one, Benjamin.

00:42:29.000 Oh, no, not at all.

00:42:30.000 I just went there and lived there, and just being in that environment, I realized that government control is not good.

00:42:37.000 Well, speaking of third world countries, my dad was raised in Detroit.

00:42:40.000 So for him, he got so pissed when Bernie Sanders said, you know, that white people can't really know what it's like to struggle.

00:42:47.000 And he was there, divorced family.

00:42:50.000 You know, his dad was in the military.

00:42:51.000 So not a wealthy family by any means.

00:42:54.000 In Detroit proper, by the way.

00:42:55.000 In the area that people like to claim they're from.

00:42:57.000 He was actually inside of 8 Mile in Detroit proper. 0.99

00:43:00.000 And divorced family, was part of the racial integration busing system, got his ass kicked. 0.98

00:43:08.000 Yeah, do I think that maybe I've enjoyed some advantages that other people haven't? 0.99

00:43:20.000 You can attribute it to being white, maybe.

00:43:22.000 But I also think that other people have had privileges that I haven't had being raised to a divorced family in inner-city Detroit in a lower-middle-class household.

00:43:31.000 It's called life, and he got so mad about that.

00:43:33.000 But it seems that even people his age, when he talks with his friends who are black, they feel the same way.

00:43:38.000 It's like, welcome to the world, population, earth, plus you now, once you understand it.

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:44.000 My mother's father was a lead miner with seven fingers.

00:43:49.000 And she was one of the first people to go to college from her town.

00:43:53.000 You know, it's like, and that's why I love Thomas Sowell.

00:43:55.000 You'd love this book, Black Redneck.

00:43:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:57.000 I've read it.

00:43:58.000 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:59.000 Where it's about how life just isn't fair sometimes.

00:44:01.000 And it's more about culture than it is race.

00:44:05.000 In fact, race is almost no factor.

00:44:08.000 Like, you know, Nigerian Americans make more than Caucasian Americans. 0.68

00:44:11.000 It's about a certain type of Culture that doesn't value education, promotes violence, promotes, you know, inciting.

00:44:17.000 Well, it's also because I sent their prints all that money.

00:44:20.000 What's that?

00:44:20.000 It's also because I sent their prints all that money.

00:44:23.000 So there's some trickle down.

00:44:24.000 That's a good point.

00:44:24.000 You tricked me too.

00:44:24.000 Yeah, I know.

00:44:26.000 Remember that one?

00:44:26.000 That was new.

00:44:27.000 It was like we all had email.

00:44:28.000 I'm like, oh my gosh, someone sent me an email.

00:44:30.000 And you're like, oh wow, this is kind of like a pen pal.

00:44:33.000 No one wants to admit it.

00:44:34.000 But when it first started, all of us probably almost fell for at least one of them.

00:44:38.000 Dude, I almost fell for it like a month ago.

00:44:40.000 Right.

00:44:42.000 Or you're forwarding that picture like, have you seen this dog on steroids?

00:44:45.000 You're like, no, that's clearly a Photoshop.

00:44:48.000 I know.

00:44:49.000 I remember it with MySpace.

00:44:51.000 You know, it's funny.

00:44:51.000 Back then, I remember a lot of comedians got really mad.

00:44:55.000 I had been doing stand-up for...

00:44:58.000 Six months.

00:44:59.000 But I was doing stand-up.

00:45:00.000 I did my first open mic.

00:45:02.000 Within three months, I was doing an hour.

00:45:04.000 Now, not a good hour.

00:45:06.000 What happened was someone asked me to co-host a talent show at a university with them in Montreal, or a college, sorry.

00:45:12.000 And I said, okay.

00:45:13.000 And I did well enough there that the guy who booked the colleges said, hey, how come I never heard of you?

00:45:17.000 You headline around here?

00:45:19.000 And I said, yes.

00:45:21.000 And he said, okay, come back and do 40 minutes in a month.

00:45:24.000 And then when I got that, I booked about four or five different colleges within that week because I said, well, I'm doing Dawson College.

00:45:28.000 They're having me do 45 minutes.

00:45:29.000 And I play them off one another.

00:45:31.000 So I got a lot of experience really quickly.

00:45:32.000 I mean, think about, you know, doing five one-hour shows in the span of two weeks.

00:45:37.000 Most people starting out don't get that kind of experience for years because you're scraping together five-minute clips.

00:45:41.000 So this is before MySpace.

00:45:42.000 I put my stuff up on MySpace, and a talent scout had no idea who I was.

00:45:47.000 Said, hey, do you want to audition for the Just for Laughs?

00:45:49.000 And I did, and I got in.

00:45:51.000 And I remember comedians being so pissed.

00:45:54.000 And again, I remember just as a conservative thinking, like, well, isn't this good?

00:45:58.000 Doesn't this mean that you can get in next year?

00:46:00.000 It doesn't matter how long you've been doing it?

00:46:02.000 And instead, they were mad.

00:46:04.000 Yeah, it's like this zero-sum game mentality that, like, it's almost like the race to the bottom type thing, where it's...

00:46:10.000 You almost latch on to the least talented people because it makes you feel better about yourself.

00:46:16.000 I always liked friends that were very successful and did well because I fed off that energy.

00:46:21.000 I just don't relate to that quote-unquote progressive.

00:46:28.000 It's not progressive.

00:46:29.000 It is regressive.

00:46:30.000 It's gotten to a point where it just doesn't make sense anymore.

00:46:35.000 That will probably affect My career, even just leaving affects your career.

00:46:40.000 Just being like, I have a family.

00:46:41.000 I want to raise my family near my family.

00:46:44.000 But I don't really care.

00:46:46.000 You know, I make money on the road.

00:46:47.000 I've got a book.

00:46:48.000 I'm writing a book.

00:46:49.000 I do podcasts.

00:46:50.000 It's all about family.

00:46:51.000 Let us know when your book comes out.

00:46:54.000 And speaking of having people who elevate you, I need to reevaluate why I let Not Gay Jared hang around in this show. 0.54

00:46:58.000 Do something with your life.

00:47:00.000 Good lord, Not Gay Jared. 1.00

00:47:03.000 It's true.

00:47:03.000 It really is true.

00:47:04.000 And there was at one point, and I felt this way.

00:47:07.000 I don't know if you felt this way.

00:47:08.000 It was hard for you leaving Los Angeles.

00:47:10.000 And I think it's a smart decision, raising a family, getting out of the intolerance.

00:47:13.000 But a big part of stand-up comedians, their identity is in stand-up.

00:47:17.000 And so there's this hierarchy like, man, if you're not on the road grinding out with clubs, whereas most of them would rather be Bill Burr doing giant theaters, not having to do that, or have a career like you have, where you have a sustainable audience.

00:47:29.000 But there's this idea that unless you're sticking, this is the only pure form of entertainment.

00:47:34.000 And I think that's changing a lot.

00:47:36.000 Like you said, you can do podcasts.

00:47:37.000 You can do things online.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:39.000 I don't have club bookers or show bookers with stand-up.

00:47:42.000 It has become so vanilla to me when I tune into a comedy showcase on television.

00:47:47.000 I can almost...

00:47:48.000 If there's going to be a political joke, I can tell you exactly what it's going to be, and I can tell you which subjects they'll touch on to be politically incorrect while avoiding the real subjects they're not allowed to talk about.

00:47:58.000 Is it just me when I watch those?

00:47:59.000 No, you're 100%.

00:48:00.000 100%.

00:48:01.000 And conservatives seem to understand business better when it comes to that's a disadvantage in business.

00:48:08.000 Anytime you're not going for funny as possible, that means there is a market opening up because you're not trying to be funny.

00:48:14.000 You're trying to appease some overlord, you know?

00:48:16.000 Right.

00:48:17.000 So that's why I don't mind appealing to the audience that I want to appeal to and then just finding...

00:48:23.000 The shows that I can get.

00:48:26.000 It actually pays better sometimes.

00:48:29.000 Yeah, it does.

00:48:30.000 Once you free yourself from the ego of like, yeah, but if I leave L.A., I don't have all the cool kids.

00:48:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:35.000 There is that part, I think, for a lot of people that's really hard to do just to get out of it.

00:48:40.000 It's like the mob.

00:48:41.000 I know, but the weird thing is, though, is the good ones are still my boys.

00:48:46.000 Right.

00:48:47.000 And you tell who your friends are by that, where it doesn't really...

00:48:53.000 Okay, here's a perfect example.

00:48:56.000 Your ability of debate, like, I don't want to blow up your head, but my dad teaches debate.

00:49:02.000 Like, he's a rhetoric professor.

00:49:03.000 And it's like, you're just crushing.

00:49:06.000 Like, I listened to you with Michael Ian Black, and I'm like, any moderator knows he, like, Stephen won.

00:49:13.000 Like, there isn't even a debate.

00:49:14.000 And I'm like, I always thought the left was the one that had, like, No, and with Michael Ian Black, I will say it got more heated than I would like, and we'll have him back on the show.

00:49:31.000 But, you know, I really honestly, if you want to talk about debate, look to someone like Ben Shapiro.

00:49:35.000 He's amazingly skilled.

00:49:36.000 For sure.

00:49:38.000 I genuinely, not gay Jared knows this, when we have someone on who I disagree with, I do research to see what their views are, and I genuinely try and conduct a debate.

00:49:48.000 First off, the rule is, not gay Jared's not allowed to jump in at all. 0.99

00:49:51.000 No one else. 0.92

00:49:51.000 It's not fair to doggy pile, that's my rule. 0.92

00:49:54.000 He can't bring up something for me and research it, you know, and be my never-ending assistant.

00:49:58.000 It just is me and that person.

00:49:59.000 And I genuinely am trying to get to the truth, because if I'm wrong, I want to know it.

00:50:05.000 And if you listen to some of our debates, there's been some common ground that could be found, but not with, like, Christopher Titus, you know, where it was the gun debate, and he's like, why don't you care about dead kids?

00:50:13.000 Or Michael Ian Black going, isn't one rape too many?

00:50:16.000 One rape is rape culture. 1.00

00:50:17.000 Like, that's not the same thing.

00:50:19.000 It's the worst possible straw man you can possibly do, where it's like, that's why I'm having a hard time with that side, because it's like, it's almost like they're not trying to learn, they're trying to win.

00:50:30.000 Right.

00:50:31.000 And I want to go into a debate where if someone makes a great point, it's like, oh, wow, thank you for clearing that up.

00:50:38.000 Right.

00:50:38.000 Like, I was making a horrible mistake.

00:50:40.000 Yes.

00:50:42.000 I was wrong.

00:50:43.000 You're correct.

00:50:43.000 I might be a homosexual.

00:50:44.000 Thank you for making me aware of this.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, like, I didn't know that those stats were the stats.

00:50:50.000 Like, I thought one in five women really were raped on college. 1.00

00:50:53.000 Really?

00:50:54.000 Oh, perfect one.

00:50:55.000 Perfect one is wage gap.

00:50:57.000 I really thought that wage gap.

00:50:59.000 And just like a bunch of people thought that.

00:51:01.000 And then when you actually break it down, there is no wage gap.

00:51:04.000 That isn't factoring in Having children.

00:51:07.000 And like, child rearing.

00:51:08.000 And like, that's so intellectually honest.

00:51:10.000 And choice of career.

00:51:11.000 Yeah, here's the thing.

00:51:12.000 And then we do have to go.

00:51:13.000 I'll have to bring you back.

00:51:14.000 But here's something that for me, that's the start of the issue, right?

00:51:18.000 I found out, okay, wage gap is a myth.

00:51:20.000 So for me, that's where it starts me on the trail going, but I've heard Barack Obama, our sitting president at the time, trot this out.

00:51:27.000 Does he not have access to Google?

00:51:30.000 Exactly.

00:51:30.000 Or is he lying?

00:51:31.000 That's what got me paranoid.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.000 You know, I'm like, do they knowingly do this?

00:51:37.000 Because my motto is I might be wrong, but I'm not lying.

00:51:42.000 And I'm like, if he knew it and did that, that's such divisive, evil stuff.

00:51:49.000 And it's one thing if you don't know, but it's like, you know, you see Thomas Sowell in 1984 hashing out these issues, and it's like, how does he not know that that's not real?

00:52:00.000 It's kind of like the gun thing not involving suicides, where it's like, you know that.

00:52:04.000 Like, you're inflating this number on, like when someone says X amount of gun deaths a year, and they don't include the fact that It's half suicides.

00:52:13.000 Right.

00:52:13.000 That's intellectually dishonest.

00:52:15.000 Right.

00:52:15.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 And then they compare gun crime rates across countries and not crime rates.

00:52:20.000 And it's like, well, listen, obviously if guns are more accessible in a country that has allowed firearms, they're going to be used to carry out more crimes.

00:52:26.000 But that doesn't mean that the crime rate is worse or the homicide rate is worse.

00:52:30.000 Right.

00:52:30.000 Especially when you eliminate gang violence, because, listen, we have different cultures in the United States.

00:52:34.000 It's not the same as Iceland that has half the population of Rhode Island and is entirely homogenous.

00:52:40.000 You can't really compare them, despite what Bernie Sanders says.

00:52:42.000 Anyways, I could go on all day.

00:52:44.000 Owen Benjamin, at Owen Benjamin on Twitter.

00:52:46.000 Where's the best, what's the best stuff for people to find on you?

00:52:49.000 My website is hugepianist.com.

00:52:54.000 That's where my touring schedule is, and I'm in Vancouver.com.

00:52:57.000 Next week, and I'm all over the place, so hit that up, because I'm tall and I play piano.

00:53:02.000 So make sure you spell it right, though, or else it's a weird...

00:53:04.000 Yeah, otherwise it takes you to a site, and that is not Owen Benjamin.

00:53:09.000 Hugepianist.com, as I think many Americans say, pianist, but we haven't spent a year in the Czech Republic, so we're not as cultured.

00:53:15.000 At Owen Benjamin, thank you so much, brother.

00:53:18.000 We'll have you back, and we have to be back after this.

00:53:20.000 Stay tuned.

00:53:20.000 Nice for having me.

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00:55:50.000 Jordan Peterson.

00:55:51.000 Jordan Peterson.

00:55:54.000 That's the ancient art of Kata.

00:56:09.000 I've been teaching you about that this week because this is a multicultural show.

00:56:13.000 So you do this... 1.00

00:56:17.000 And then proceed to get your ass kicked. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Our guest is at Jordan B. Peterson, Dr. 1.00

00:56:23.000 Peterson.

00:56:23.000 He has been in the program before, and so many accolades we could toss here.

00:56:28.000 I guess the public awareness has gone up like a rocket ship since we last had you on.

00:56:33.000 Dr.

00:56:33.000 Peterson, what's that like for you?

00:56:35.000 Now you're notorious.

00:56:37.000 Well, it's busy.

00:56:39.000 I mean, it's interesting.

00:56:42.000 I'm not exactly sure what to make of it.

00:56:44.000 One...

00:56:46.000 One thing that has happened, though, is that I now get up at five in the morning and start working, because in order to keep up with this at the moment, that was pretty much what I had to do.

00:56:57.000 I'm a curious person, and a lot of people have probably already figured that out.

00:57:02.000 I don't mean that I'm curious in the eccentric way, I mean that I'm curious about things, and so I'm very curious about this.

00:57:10.000 It certainly wasn't something I expected.

00:57:13.000 Although I have to tell you that I've been amazed for decades that I've been allowed to teach what I do teach at the university and that no one's ever noticed and stopped me from doing it.

00:57:21.000 So the fact that attention has been brought to it, in some sense, I suppose doesn't come as a surprise.

00:57:26.000 But I'm happy about the opportunities that it's bringing me.

00:57:30.000 And I do like to teach people.

00:57:33.000 And so the fact that now I can make a video and reliably attract 50,000 viewers is amazing.

00:57:40.000 Great, as far as I'm concerned.

00:57:41.000 It's like, why not?

00:57:43.000 I'm hoping that I can teach people about psychology, and now I can.

00:57:48.000 So, hooray! 0.94

00:57:48.000 And it's remarkable that, you know, in the age of sort of the Kardashians and the reality star sort of generation, as we call it, you skyrocketed to public awareness really through telling the truth, which has sort of become the counterculture. 0.94

00:58:02.000 I know you're going to be doing a series.

00:58:29.000 Will it be an online series on...

00:58:31.000 Well, I plan to do it.

00:58:32.000 The plan at the moment is to rent a theatre on the University of Toronto campus, and I'd like to do a lecture every week for as long as it takes.

00:58:39.000 It might be a number of years, but the first plan is for 25 weeks.

00:58:44.000 I've wanted to walk my way through the Bible from a psychological perspective.

00:58:51.000 I've been thinking about it for a decade.

00:58:52.000 I talked to a TV producer here who I've worked with for a very long time who was interested in that.

00:58:58.000 Mel Gibson?

00:59:00.000 Yes, Mel, exactly.

00:59:01.000 Thank you very much for that.

00:59:04.000 Just figured we'd end your career right now, just dead on arrival.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, so I mean, I've spent a lot of time on many of the ancient stories in the Bible, trying to understand what they mean from a psychological perspective, and this would certainly provide me with the necessity for doing that.

00:59:22.000 My life is structured so, and I think this is true for many people, so that unless I have a deadline and an absolute necessity for doing something, the probability that it will fall off my list of priorities is very high.

00:59:34.000 So now I know that if I make this series, then I can get tens of thousands of people.

00:59:41.000 I know that there are tens of thousands of people who would be We're engaging with it online, and it just seems foolish not to do it.

00:59:49.000 So, yeah, that's the plan.

00:59:50.000 Well, I do have a lot of respect for you in this area, because obviously with, you know, sort of fighting social justice warriors, as they're called, has become somewhat popular now, and it's kind of accepted because they're so absurd, right?

01:00:05.000 People, they love to make them a whipping post. 1.00

01:00:08.000 And appropriately so, by the way.

01:00:09.000 I think it's a perfect whipping post to people who are social justice warriors.

01:00:12.000 However, a lot of these people who are coming along this sort of political-cultural trail, I've noticed, were previously part of this sort of leftist-atheist coalition.

01:00:20.000 So it's still immensely unpopular to be someone whose faith really is a big part of what defines them as a human.

01:00:30.000 And you were on Sam Harris's podcast, and that was one that really sort of went back and forth.

01:00:35.000 I was surprised as to how roundabout he went with you a little bit, for someone who's usually very, very clear in his thoughtful approach.

01:00:43.000 What was the reaction to that, and have you had more atheists upset, saying, well, I used to respect you until I found out you believe in the flying spaghetti monster, which we all get, or have you found more of them interested in what you have to say and wanting to learn about it?

01:00:56.000 Well, I would say certainly that one of the consequences of appearing on Sam's show was that more people were attracted to watch my videos.

01:01:04.000 And so I have had responses from people that are of the sort that you described who said, well, I am pleased with Dr.

01:01:13.000 Peterson's political stance, but when he starts talking about the intersection between religion and psychology, then I just tune out.

01:01:20.000 But that's fine with me.

01:01:22.000 I actually don't...

01:01:23.000 It doesn't...

01:01:24.000 It isn't...

01:01:26.000 I'm not trying to convince people.

01:01:29.000 It's up to people to think whatever they want, and if they don't find what I'm saying convincing or interesting, then that's perfectly fine.

01:01:38.000 I'm also not claiming that what I'm saying is correct, because what I'm trying to talk about is insanely complicated, which is partly why I wanted to talk to Sam Harris about it.

01:01:47.000 I mean, the thing about Harris is that he has...

01:01:53.000 He has concentrated on many of the same problems that have bothered me and has actually come to similar conclusions, but for very different reasons.

01:02:00.000 And I thought we could have an interesting conversation about that, because he does believe that people have a primary moral obligation to speak the truth, and that he also believes that one of the primary moral obligations that characterize human beings, let's say, Is that they should try to work to mitigate unnecessary suffering, which is also something that I agree with.

01:02:24.000 But I think the problem with his approach is that it is, I don't think that what he's promoting is grounded deeply enough to have the kind of power that's necessary to make it It manifests itself properly.

01:02:44.000 And I also think that Harris and Dawkins, it's quite funny because they just talked to each other very recently.

01:02:51.000 Harris put Dawkins on the spot by suggesting that there may have been evolutionary reasons for the selection of religious ideation.

01:02:59.000 And I actually happen to believe that.

01:03:01.000 And I think that both Harris and Dawkins, and this is mostly at Dawkins' feet, has never taken the...

01:03:10.000 The fact of the prevalence of religious thinking with the sort of seriousness that an evolutionary biologist should...

01:03:17.000 That's interesting.

01:03:18.000 Because religious thinking is a human universal.

01:03:22.000 Sure.

01:03:23.000 And not only that, it's how we thought, it's how all of us thought all the time, roughly speaking, before the scientific method was invented.

01:03:31.000 And so for the vast majority of our evolutionary history, The essential way that we oriented ourselves in the world was indistinguishable from the religious, and it worked.

01:03:43.000 Right.

01:03:44.000 Because here we are, after all.

01:03:46.000 And we're also fascinated, most psychologists, with sort of these evolutionary psychological coping mechanisms.

01:03:51.000 And so I would imagine that an atheist might sort of toss that out, maybe as a smokescreen, that, well, it's a coping mechanism for what we don't understand in the physical world.

01:03:59.000 Sure.

01:03:59.000 Well, that's what Freud said, roughly speaking.

01:04:02.000 Right, but it's interesting that, like you said, sort of the most prominent atheist thinkers, or certainly speakers, I don't know if we'd call them philosophers, I don't know the proper terminology necessarily, it's interesting that they really don't touch upon that a whole lot.

01:04:12.000 I mean, I've read Dawkins, I've listened to Harris quite a bit, and it surprises people, often being a Christian. 1.00

01:04:18.000 And I do think that you're part of, I would say, sort of a new wave where I think that a big reason for this culturally is there was Sam Harris, there was Richard Dawkins, and then there were people out there who would just say crazy outlandish things on behalf of Christianity.

01:04:33.000 And I don't know if that's because atheists sort of kept people like you from the podium, or it's just that the craziest Christians sometimes grabbed the podium. 1.00

01:04:40.000 But this thoughtful professorial approach, which really was the norm in Christianity, if you go back to, you know, C.S. Lewis or Chesterton, right?

01:04:48.000 This is not a new way of thinking.

01:04:50.000 But it certainly has been absent for the last several decades.

01:04:52.000 And it seems like you're part of a new wave who might usher in a new era of critical thinking for Christians to discuss with atheists alike.

01:05:00.000 Do you feel like you're a part of that?

01:05:01.000 Well, that would be lovely, I would say, because it's certainly something that I'm interested in.

01:05:05.000 I mean, I think that there's a very profound discussion that has to be had between evolutionary biologists and psychologists and people with, well, with people of deep and profound religious faith.

01:05:25.000 I think the evidence that There are elements of religious phenomenology that are rooted in our biology as absolutely overwhelming.

01:05:36.000 So, for example, you can reliably induce experiences that people characterize as religious with hallucinogens like psilocybin.

01:05:46.000 And extraordinarily well-documented evidence of that, particularly in recent years coming from Johns Hopkins, a very reliable and conservative medical...

01:05:57.000 A hate group, to hear Jess Herbst's Transgender Mays of New Hope refer to it, Johns Hopkins, a hate group.

01:06:03.000 Not real doctors, we were told.

01:06:05.000 Only a hate group.

01:06:07.000 But the researchers there have shown that People who are given psilocybin, for example, a very large majority of them report extraordinarily powerful mystical experiences that they regard as among the most important of their life, and not only that, that those experiences have a profound and lasting impact on their personality.

01:06:31.000 Now, I'm not necessarily certain that More traditional religious people are going to be very thrilled with the idea that some of this kind of, at least the mystical end of this experience, can be induced with psychedelic drugs, for example.

01:06:45.000 Can be induced with what Not Gay Jared does at a nightclub on a Friday night. 0.69

01:06:49.000 They're not going to be thrilled.

01:06:50.000 Right, right.

01:06:50.000 But the anthropological evidence is clear, you know, that people have been inducing these sorts of experiences.

01:06:58.000 And investigating the technologies to do so for tens of thousands of years, and perhaps for longer than that.

01:07:03.000 So it's not something that can be ignored.

01:07:05.000 It's something terrifying, to be sure.

01:07:07.000 Right.

01:07:08.000 Because it's terrifying, the idea that a spiritual experience can genuinely be induced, or perhaps not genuinely, depending on how you look at it, but can be induced reliably with a chemical is certainly terrifying.

01:07:23.000 It could give credence to all those druggies who are like, man, just drop acid.

01:07:28.000 That's how you reach the higher level.

01:07:30.000 And then a cult starts, and Leia Remedy has a reality show.

01:07:33.000 Let me ask you this.

01:07:33.000 You're going to be talking about this in your class, going through the Bible stories.

01:07:37.000 An atheist here on Twitter, I don't have it up in front of me, specifically asked, said your views on these were fascinating, and he really liked listening to you discuss these subjects.

01:07:45.000 So if you're going to go through these stories...

01:07:47.000 For example, I don't know if you go through Daniel in the lion's den through the New Testament.

01:07:52.000 I don't know if you go through Genesis.

01:07:53.000 I don't know exactly what it is.

01:07:54.000 I'll be interested to see when this course takes place.

01:07:57.000 Do you look at most of them literally?

01:07:59.000 Do you look at most of them metaphorically?

01:08:01.000 Or do you not touch that at all?

01:08:03.000 You just look at it from a modern psychological perspective?

01:08:05.000 No, no, that's a really good question.

01:08:07.000 Well, look, when I was a kid, when I was first in university, I had the opportunity to go out to the Edmonton Maximum Security Prison a couple of times with this very eccentric psychologist who taught a course on creativity at the University of Alberta.

01:08:26.000 One moment, who could possibly be sentenced to a maximum security prison in Edmonton?

01:08:31.000 What did they do wrong?

01:08:33.000 They collected them from many places across Canada, and there were plenty of guys in there that you would not want to meet in a dark alley, or even in a well-lit space if you were surrounded by policemen.

01:08:43.000 Right, okay.

01:08:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:45.000 So anyways, one of the things that he said in his class was that fiction tells you the truth by lying.

01:08:55.000 Okay.

01:08:56.000 Well, so let's just think about that for a minute.

01:08:59.000 So you think about an author like Tolstoy or Dostoevsky, great authors, or Shakespeare for that matter.

01:09:04.000 And they invent fictional characters, and obviously you can't take a fictional story literally.

01:09:11.000 Right.

01:09:12.000 Okay, but that doesn't mean that there isn't truth in fictional stories.

01:09:15.000 In fact, good fictional story, imagine that it takes you six hours to read a powerful piece of fiction.

01:09:23.000 And then compare what you've learned about the world from that to just living your normal life for six hours.

01:09:31.000 Right.

01:09:31.000 What the novelist is doing is distilling what's essential from normal life and presenting it in a condensed manner.

01:09:41.000 Okay, so imagine something like this.

01:09:44.000 This is obviously a metaphor to some degree.

01:09:47.000 So imagine that a literary genius watches a hundred people.

01:09:51.000 And then distills what he has learned from watching those hundred people into one character in a manner you can digest in six hours.

01:10:00.000 So it's condensed and distilled wisdom.

01:10:04.000 Right.

01:10:05.000 Okay, now imagine that you have a hundred authors like that, and you take all of their books, and you distill those books into ten books.

01:10:13.000 Okay.

01:10:14.000 Well, then you have the Bible.

01:10:16.000 Oh, I see what you did there.

01:10:18.000 You brought it full circle.

01:10:19.000 And I do think it's important to delineate that there are some, I mean, Jesus spoke in parables, for example.

01:10:24.000 By definition, that is fiction.

01:10:27.000 You know, you can compare it to modern Aesop fable, but there is a case to be made, I certainly believe this, for Jesus Christ as a historical figure, and I would not consider the New Testament fiction.

01:10:36.000 And that's one issue where it's very hard to discuss with atheists, you know, oh, flying spaghetti monster. 1.00

01:10:40.000 But I came to this, I was raised in a Christian household, but at a certain point, people say, were you born a Christian?

01:10:45.000 No one is born a Christian. 0.99

01:10:48.000 Yep.

01:10:50.000 reading from, you know, reading, you know, Tacitus, Josephus, Justin Martyr, looking, you know, Tertullian, all of these arguments, you know, obviously the empty tomb, that's an argument that is kind of one that has to be accounted for.

01:11:00.000 I looked at it from a logical perspective and said, okay, what are the odds of this occurring?

01:11:05.000 This is the historical evidence we have for Christ as a historical figure.

01:11:08.000 And then I will tell you, as someone who likes to think of themselves as logical, what's the gamble on this being an act of chance?

01:11:16.000 And so I think it is important for people, and I think a lot of atheists don't get this, there are some things that are literal.

01:11:21.000 There are some areas where it's a historical document in the Bible.

01:11:23.000 And as you're saying, sometimes this is meant to be taken as a morality tale.

01:11:29.000 Yeah, look, I mean, the Bible is an extraordinarily complicated document, and it is a strange mix of history and mythology.

01:11:37.000 And separating one from the other is no straightforward thing.

01:11:41.000 And you probably hit on the most crucial issue there with regards to the, let's call it, the empirical reality of the resurrection of Christ.

01:11:51.000 Now, The first thing I have to say about that is that I do not understand it well enough to have a proper opinion about it.

01:11:59.000 And what I mean by a proper opinion is that I don't understand it.

01:12:04.000 One of the things that's very interesting about the story of Christ is that it is heavily mythologized, and on multiple levels.

01:12:12.000 So for example, there's a cosmology that's associated with Christ.

01:12:15.000 So Christ is the son, I mean the literal son in the cosmology, and there's 12 disciples because each of the disciples represents an astrological house.

01:12:25.000 The thing that's so interesting about the story of Christ is that it can be retold at multiple levels of analysis and has been, and those have all been integrated into something that all says the same thing.

01:12:36.000 Now, that leaves open the issue of the relationship between the historical reality and the archetype and the mythology.

01:12:47.000 For example, it's quite obvious that many of the elements of Christ's life, the way that it's presented in the New Testament, have Right.

01:13:00.000 Right.

01:13:04.000 And who is also represented quite frequently as an infant sitting on the lap of Isis, his mother, in the same way that Christ is represented sitting on the lap of Mary.

01:13:11.000 So there are these historical parallels, and they're deep and profound.

01:13:15.000 And one way of reading them is that that's just evidence that the entire story is a variation of a myth.

01:13:24.000 Right.

01:13:24.000 That's what I was taught by Helen Holt in my mythology course at university.

01:13:29.000 Well, not university, actually college.

01:13:31.000 Champlain College.

01:13:32.000 And I remember asking her, saying, okay, well, hold on a second.

01:13:34.000 How many of them...

01:13:36.000 We're a human sacrifice, rose from the dead, and made the claim that they are the only way to salvation.

01:13:43.000 She said, well, that's different.

01:13:45.000 I said, okay.

01:13:46.000 Now, how many historical accounts for them saw political figures and very powerful historical figures arguing tales of corruption?

01:13:53.000 Well, actually, the disciples...

01:13:55.000 Stole his body from the tomb.

01:13:56.000 I mean, there are historical accounts of this.

01:13:58.000 For me, when I look, I'm going, well, why are they arguing this?

01:14:00.000 If you see these historical accounts, they should just trot out Christ's body. 0.60

01:14:03.000 But they felt the need because there was enough, at least, public pressure, if not evidence.

01:14:07.000 People believed in this idea of an empty tomb.

01:14:10.000 They were arguing from that premise, saying, no, no, no, this is why there's an empty tomb.

01:14:14.000 And that, to me, was so compelling for the historical case.

01:14:18.000 Because the easiest thing would be to say, there is no empty tomb. 1.00

01:14:21.000 It's bullshit. 0.99

01:14:22.000 But they didn't. 1.00

01:14:24.000 Right, right.

01:14:25.000 Right.

01:14:25.000 Sorry, this is personal opinion, but you're the scholar.

01:14:28.000 The issue for me in relationship to that is twofold.

01:14:34.000 The first thing is that that's a problem that I'm actively working on trying to understand, and I hope to do a lot more of that over the next three or four years because it's an extraordinarily deep problem.

01:14:47.000 I would also say that I've understood it in large part in a manner that was offered to me by my understanding of Carl Jung.

01:14:56.000 And so Jung said, so imagine, I made a case that you can think about the Bible as a form of extraordinarily distilled fiction, and fiction in the best sense, in that fiction is a kind of abstraction.

01:15:11.000 From reality, like mathematics is a kind of abstraction from reality.

01:15:15.000 And you might say, well, are numbers real?

01:15:17.000 And one answer to that is no.

01:15:19.000 And the other answer is, yeah, they're more real than anything else.

01:15:23.000 And you can make a very strong case for both of those viewpoints because they're not real the same way like a cup is real, but they're real in the way that allows you to make atom bombs.

01:15:33.000 I love, by the way, that a doctor has a solo cup.

01:15:36.000 You'd expect a mug and a very distinguished pen.

01:15:39.000 It's the thing you use to play beer pong.

01:15:41.000 I have my Louder with Crowder mug at home and use it frequently.

01:15:45.000 Well, thank you very much.

01:15:46.000 I'm glad that you do.

01:15:47.000 It enhances the aroma and flavor of beverages by scientifically noted 24%.

01:15:52.000 So we're very proud of that.

01:15:53.000 Oh, that's impressive.

01:15:55.000 Yes, yes.

01:15:55.000 I figured it was a doctor that would impress you.

01:15:57.000 I mean, we could talk about this forever, but sorry, we only have a few minutes, so I'll let you have the floor.

01:16:01.000 Okay, well, so I'll just say one final thing, and this is part of the mystery for me.

01:16:05.000 So, just as...

01:16:07.000 You can think of the Bible as a distillation of fiction, although that's not all it is.

01:16:12.000 You can think of the idea of the Savior or the Redeemer or the idea of Christ as a distillation of what could be the best of humanity.

01:16:21.000 And that's sort of reflected in the idea of the King of Kings.

01:16:26.000 So imagine this.

01:16:27.000 This is what's happened over the course of history.

01:16:30.000 Again, it's a metaphor, but it'll do to approach the topic.

01:16:36.000 So imagine that you took a hundred people and you derived the best elements from them and you distilled those into ten people.

01:16:46.000 Those would be admirable heroes.

01:16:49.000 Right.

01:16:50.000 And you could think of them as a kind of aristocracy.

01:16:53.000 Sure.

01:16:54.000 And then imagine that you took ten admirable heroes and distilled them into a king.

01:17:00.000 And then you took ten kings and you distilled that into a meta-king.

01:17:06.000 That would be Christ.

01:17:09.000 That's exactly what happened.

01:17:11.000 This is speaking strictly from a conceptual perspective.

01:17:15.000 I'm trying to understand a kind of abstraction.

01:17:17.000 You could say that what's happened across history is that humanity has attempted to produce the vision, a vision of the perfect man.

01:17:26.000 And the perfect man would be everything admirable about a human being distilled into a single entity.

01:17:33.000 Mm-hmm.

01:17:34.000 Now, you can see that playing out in the story of the Christian Passion, because the central element, let's look at it this way.

01:17:44.000 Human beings have to bear a cross.

01:17:46.000 Well, what's the cross?

01:17:48.000 The cross is the burden of being alive and the knowledge of their own mortality and fragility.

01:17:54.000 And you can either bear that honorably or dishonorably.

01:17:57.000 And if you bear it honorably, then you do it by telling the truth and living a forthright life and aiming at the best.

01:18:05.000 And those are all things that are characteristic of the Christ that we know from the Gospels.

01:18:10.000 But then, to make that a truly archetypal story, you have to magnify it to its ultimate degree.

01:18:17.000 And so that's also what's happened in the Christian story, because you have the perfect man, who's innocent of all things, so that's sinless, who is betrayed by his friends, which is the worst thing that can happen to you socially, And who's then subject to torture and death reserved for a criminal.

01:18:36.000 So it's the most unjust possible sequence of things happening to the best possible person.

01:18:43.000 That's what makes it archetypal.

01:18:45.000 You can't tell a more meaningful story than that.

01:18:48.000 It's a limit.

01:18:49.000 The worst thing happens to the best person.

01:18:52.000 It's a limit.

01:18:53.000 You can't go beyond it.

01:18:55.000 And so that's what that story portrays.

01:18:58.000 So there's a deep...

01:19:00.000 There's a deep reality to it.

01:19:02.000 Again, I'm speaking purely conceptually.

01:19:04.000 But what Carl Jung pointed out, and I really like this idea, is that...

01:19:08.000 So imagine that that idea is an archetypal concept.

01:19:11.000 It's the ideal to which you should aspire.

01:19:14.000 And then it's formulated as an implementable ideal.

01:19:18.000 Now, that's what you manifest if you're a follower of Christ, say, in the truest sense, or maybe if you're a follower of the Buddha.

01:19:25.000 Now, then you can imagine that across history there are people who more or less embody that archetype.

01:19:33.000 And the people who embody it to virtually no degree are uninteresting or reprehensible. 0.97

01:19:39.000 They're just scoundrels. 0.99

01:19:41.000 Yes, or feminists. 1.00

01:19:43.000 But then and now and then someone comes along who really partially embodies that archetype, who really is a manifestation of something approaching the ideal.

01:19:53.000 And then now and then someone comes along who really closely matches that ideal.

01:19:58.000 Well, Steven Seagal claims that he's the Dalai Lama incarnate.

01:20:01.000 So there's that.

01:20:02.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:20:03.000 Yeah, well, it's Steven Seagal. 1.00

01:20:05.000 He's a retard. 1.00

01:20:06.000 So it is interesting. 0.92

01:20:08.000 It is interesting.

01:20:08.000 He does claim that.

01:20:09.000 It's a hell of a thing to call someone who's the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama.

01:20:13.000 Yes, it would be if that were the case.

01:20:15.000 I could talk about this all day, and maybe we'll do an extended version.

01:20:19.000 We do have other topics to get to, and of course we have several guests today.

01:20:23.000 I do find all that interesting conceptually.

01:20:25.000 And then, you know, for me, when it comes down to, you know, people aren't willing to live their life or end their life for merely a concept.

01:20:32.000 So again, the historical context, and actually Gerald, it would be interesting if we had him here for the interview.

01:20:37.000 He had to go to the restroom.

01:20:38.000 Yeah.

01:20:39.000 When you look at people who are persecuting Christians and then willing to die for something in that lifetime, that's a rarity.

01:20:46.000 And that is something that, again, needs to be accounted for when you can look at it historically and say, okay, these people were willing to die for someone they knew.

01:20:54.000 That's different from a concept, and that's a whole other layer that we can get into, which, again, there are several different views that, you know...

01:21:00.000 If you're talking about a tree branch with Christianity, that's one thing, too. 0.64

01:21:03.000 The reason I don't engage in these conversations as much with militant atheists is because they go, well, Christians, and you and I understand that the Christian umbrella is far different from, I guess, atheists in the sense that you can go, okay, Christian, you have Catholic, you have Catholic, you have Protestant, then you have Protestant, you have five-point Calvinism, you have this idea of predestination.

01:21:20.000 And there are so many different variables there that someone who doesn't believe in the Christian faith at all won't necessarily understand or really be able to have a productive conversation about it.

01:21:31.000 And I think this is one where hopefully it's been illuminating for people and we can bring you back on to talk about it more.

01:21:37.000 I mean, this is something that can occur for hours.

01:21:38.000 It would be nice to continue to develop that because I would like to talk more about the relationship between Christ as a historical figure, say, as a literal figure, and the mythological representations of Christ.

01:21:50.000 It's very interesting.

01:21:52.000 It's something that Carl Jung spent an awful lot of time talking about as well.

01:21:55.000 And his work on that is profound beyond, virtually beyond comprehension. 0.86

01:22:00.000 Contrary to Freud, who just wanted to screw his mother, Dr.

01:22:03.000 Peterson, where is the best place for people to find you and your self-authoring program, which I recommend to everybody?

01:22:09.000 Well, they can find the self-authoring program at selfauthoring.com.

01:22:14.000 That'll help them write their autobiography and write a plan for the future, which is a very useful thing to do.

01:22:20.000 And I have a website at jordanbpeterson.com and lots of videos at Jordan Peterson Videos on YouTube.

01:22:27.000 YouTube.

01:22:27.000 There's about 600 hours of videos there for people who would like to watch 600 hours of videos.

01:22:33.000 Yes, exactly.

01:22:34.000 Absolutely.

01:22:34.000 I highly recommend it.

01:22:35.000 Who needs a college degree at this point when you can watch 600 hours of Dr. Jordan Peterson?

01:22:39.000 Mr. Peterson, Dr. Peterson, I apologize. 0.99

01:22:41.000 Damn, force of habit. 0.98

01:22:42.000 Thank you so much. 0.99

01:22:43.000 We must go.

01:22:43.000 Well, We'll have you back again soon, sir.

01:22:45.000 Thanks.

01:22:45.000 Really good seeing you, sir.

01:22:46.000 Say what it is!

01:22:53.000 Say what it is!

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01:23:19.000 Get to the fallout shelter! 0.68

01:23:21.000 I always knew those ragheads would make it to our shore, Sullivan. 1.00

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01:24:54.000 We'll be right back.

01:25:06.000 For those who weren't aware.

01:25:09.000 I love how we're doing the underwater dance and Edward the sound guy's in the background.

01:25:13.000 Just going forward.

01:25:15.000 My jam.

01:25:16.000 You don't hold your headphones underwater, Edward the sound guy.

01:25:22.000 There's no concept of physics or hydrogen.

01:25:25.000 Or imagination.

01:25:27.000 Thank you so much to our wonderful guests, Owen Benjamin and Jordan B. Peterson.

01:25:31.000 Thank you, at G. Morgan Jr., for being in this week.

01:25:34.000 At G. Morgan Jr., hopefully you'll get a better Twitter handle sometime soon.

01:25:37.000 Nope.

01:25:38.000 Probably not.

01:25:41.000 It's like a defiant child.

01:25:43.000 Indeed.

01:25:43.000 Hopefully you'll finish your Brussels sprouts.

01:25:45.000 Nope.

01:25:45.000 Oh, I can see we're going to have to discipline you.

01:25:49.000 Man, you know what?

01:25:50.000 It's one of those things we got.

01:25:51.000 We went into some deep conversation here tonight, and sometimes that works, and sometimes people get upset by it.

01:25:55.000 Sometimes people really like it.

01:25:56.000 So hopefully if you're listening in your car, of course you can subscribe on iTunes, SoundCloud, Audio, if you don't want to watch the video while you're on the go.

01:26:04.000 I know it's not audio-downloadable, the daily show, for Mug Club members.

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01:26:10.000 That's going to be there soon, by the way, in the app.

01:26:13.000 So you'll be able to watch the video or you'll be able to download the audio version to take with you.

01:26:17.000 We have a lot of requests for that.

01:26:19.000 So there is going to be a whole reformatting of the app and the site, just so you know.

01:26:23.000 So the reason it hasn't been trotted out earlier is because we're going to do it all at once.

01:26:28.000 Hang on, Snoopy.

01:26:29.000 Hang on.

01:26:30.000 Snoopy, hang on.

01:26:31.000 Just hang on.

01:26:36.000 I'll tell you what doesn't get better.

01:26:38.000 The state of CNN. That is only going to get worse.

01:26:43.000 About this earlier in the show and it's interesting that you know Jordan Peterson I can have a discussion where even we even branch out sort of on on the discussion of of Christianity somewhat I don't know how much we disagree or agree because we were talking about it more conceptually, but It's interesting that we can have I guarantee if you're to line up Jordan Peterson me and Owen Benjamin in a room and actually go through what our exact views are That we all would have very seriously differing opinions on certain subjects.

01:27:10.000 I I actually think that would probably happen in this room quite a bit, even though we're all right-wing or more conservative.

01:27:16.000 But I don't think it happens at places like CNN. I think that with this stuff, when you see someone who's being praised, we talked about, if you just cycle through these stories, when you see how no one at CNN is like, you know, we really should be covering more of this story with Europe and Marie Le Pen, who's having her speech silenced, and no one goes, yeah, we should.

01:27:34.000 Right.

01:27:35.000 When everyone's saying, you know, it's really brave, this Latino woman, yeah, Donald Trump hates immigrants, and no one is there saying, eh, well, maybe it's illegal immigrants.

01:27:43.000 There really is something dangerous.

01:27:44.000 We've talked about this, getting into an echo chamber and surrounding yourself, either only with yes-men in your own personal life, or certainly politically and culturally, surrounding yourself with people, even if they agree with you, who won't challenge you.

01:27:57.000 Gerald and I have gotten to some knock-down, drag-out brawls.

01:27:59.000 Mostly about Transformers.

01:28:01.000 No, one time I was over soccer.

01:28:02.000 Oh, that's true.

01:28:05.000 That's true!

01:28:06.000 You said a power lifter could run a faster 40-yard dash than anybody on the planet, and I was like, what?

01:28:13.000 I said an Olympic lifter.

01:28:14.000 Olympic lifter.

01:28:14.000 Yeah, and that's not true.

01:28:15.000 That's not what I said.

01:28:16.000 No, I know.

01:28:17.000 What I said was Olympic lifters without training.

01:28:20.000 Three years later, we figured it out.

01:28:21.000 We forgave one another.

01:28:23.000 I started yelling, you have no science!

01:28:25.000 You have no science!

01:28:27.000 Because I remember that discussion.

01:28:28.000 We got into a big argument. 1.00

01:28:30.000 It was predicated on the idea that soccer players are faggots. 1.00

01:28:34.000 No, he meant fast. 1.00

01:28:35.000 He meant fast.

01:28:35.000 That's what he meant.

01:28:36.000 No, that's not what I meant at all.

01:28:37.000 But their hair stays in place. 0.99

01:28:38.000 I meant fags. 1.00

01:28:39.000 I meant men who wear pink jerseys and have buns in their hair. 0.98

01:28:42.000 So we were talking about soccer. 1.00

01:28:42.000 Faggots. 1.00

01:28:44.000 It was predicated on that. 1.00

01:28:45.000 And then Gerald said, they're the most...

01:28:47.000 And this isn't even political.

01:28:48.000 But he said, they're actually some of the best athletes in the world.

01:28:50.000 And I said, no, they're not.

01:28:51.000 Somebody.

01:28:51.000 No, they're not.

01:28:53.000 Please tweet him.

01:28:54.000 This is going to be the thing that gets the most comments out of everything we've discussed today.

01:28:57.000 That's right.

01:28:58.000 We've gotten into Egyptian mythology, the conceptualization of Christ as opposed to the literal interpretation. 1.00

01:29:04.000 We've gotten into Thomas Sowell and everyone's going to comment, I can't believe that you called Paley a faggot. 0.99

01:29:12.000 That's a good old school reference. 0.98

01:29:13.000 I mean, you can't even come up with like Rooney or somebody current, you know? 1.00

01:29:17.000 A faggot, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

01:29:18.000 See, this is the... 1.00

01:29:20.000 I'm a Chelsea man anyway, so it doesn't matter.

01:29:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:24.000 Chelsea, Manhattan.

01:29:25.000 That is the area.

01:29:26.000 Man, Chelsea man.

01:29:27.000 Stop it.

01:29:28.000 Just see what happens.

01:29:29.000 He's only digging this hole deeper.

01:29:30.000 But we had this discussion, and then afterwards we got into a big argument.

01:29:34.000 I went to the bathroom, took a leak, and then I came back.

01:29:36.000 We spent the rest of the night.

01:29:37.000 We were totally fine.

01:29:38.000 But we got into an argument over it, and I remember what it was.

01:29:40.000 I was saying, actually, there was a study of the Olympic lifters, which actually you may be right.

01:29:43.000 Some people have tried to say this was a falsified study.

01:29:45.000 Wait, wait, maybe what?

01:29:47.000 I can give it to you all the right time.

01:29:49.000 They said it might be a falsified study, but this was for a long time accepted in sports training that the Olympic lifters would actually outrun some of the 100-meter dashers, or maybe it was the 400-meter, like up in the 10 yards first, like that explosive off the blocks.

01:30:05.000 And it surprised a lot of people, and so they incorporated a lot of that sort of dynamic training into it.

01:30:10.000 And so I was talking about that with soccer, and then we got into the portion where soccer just sucks as a general concept.

01:30:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:17.000 To conceptualize soccer, sucky faggots. 1.00

01:30:21.000 So the point is, we end this argument about it, but having a room full of people who still feel comfortable questioning each other and fact-checking each other, saying, I disagree with you on that, is a much more healthy atmosphere than I think you even see in traditional media outlets. 0.99

01:30:36.000 And you have to ask yourself, we're talking about the golden age of journalism.

01:30:39.000 To take it back to that, what do you think changed?

01:30:41.000 The golden age of journalists, the same networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, largely the same corporations, or certainly the same level of power of these giant corporations.

01:30:50.000 So did it change overnight, where all of a sudden everyone at NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, the most trusted name, did it change overnight, where all of a sudden they decided we're only going to hire liberals to the point where Chris Cuomo will go out there and actually believe that he's a news anchor?

01:31:05.000 Did that happen overnight?

01:31:06.000 Or is it maybe something that was always there that you weren't aware about because they've always been in a room where they agree with each other?

01:31:13.000 And you will be amazed sometimes when you don't have to accept this premise.

01:31:18.000 There are some simple things.

01:31:20.000 Sometimes people—Owen Benjamin was very complimentary.

01:31:21.000 I do not fancy myself a skilled debater at all.

01:31:23.000 Like I've said, Thomas Sowell, Ben Shapiro, even Jordan Peterson are— Listen, they're way more educated and they're way more skilled in the art of debate than I am.

01:31:33.000 For people who ask for that, if you're actually looking for truth...

01:31:37.000 When you're having a conversation and a debate, and you'll see this happen with Chris Cuomo, you'll see this happen with a lot of members of traditional media who were once respected.

01:31:43.000 If you just check them on something very simple, that, well, Donald Trump hates immigrants, you can literally get the upper hand in that conversation, in a conversation seeking the truth, not just talking about a debate.

01:31:55.000 I say, well, no, no, hold on a second.

01:31:56.000 The problem we have is with illegal immigration.

01:31:59.000 And you would assume that they will be able to handle that, and they'll have a counter-argument, and then you'll have three or four prepared, which you always should, but most of the time it doesn't happen.

01:32:07.000 Certainly not with people who are coming from the entertainment industry or coming from the New York DC media elite.

01:32:13.000 It is remarkable where we've gotten to a point where the most rudimentary debating techniques or skills, the most rudimentary employment of the Socratic method.

01:32:24.000 It destroys their entire basis of arguing in the first place.

01:32:29.000 And you're seeing that happen.

01:32:30.000 And this is a really interesting time in history because I don't think that this is the first time people have woken up.

01:32:35.000 I don't think this is the first time that people are starting to be willing to...

01:32:40.000 To concede that, I think we're at a time in history where people have been so coddled, where people in the entertainment industry and people in the media have been so used to like-minded thinking, and because of the information superhighway that is the internet, they're now being questioned on it.

01:32:56.000 And you see it, right?

01:32:57.000 This is why you see Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon freaking out and getting into Twitter fights.

01:33:01.000 Look, you make millions of dollars every year and you're on one of the biggest news networks in the world and you're getting mad because someone said that you're wrong on Twitter.

01:33:11.000 It's because they're so fragile.

01:33:13.000 I don't think they've been exposed to this information as they've gotten from the walking meme on Twitter who just said his own Benjamin said, no, 77 cents in the dollar is a lie.

01:33:21.000 No, it's illegal immigration.

01:33:23.000 And so I will say this, if nothing else to learn, it's okay to be bold.

01:33:28.000 Sometimes you'll be surprised.

01:33:30.000 Have you ever had this where you're getting into a conversation or to an argument, and someone else says something that is sort of assumed as a truth, and they say it confidently, so you go, well, hold on a second.

01:33:39.000 Maybe they're right.

01:33:40.000 Maybe I shouldn't say what I thought I was going to say.

01:33:42.000 Because they seem confident about that.

01:33:44.000 That's what's been going on for decades in this country.

01:33:47.000 That's what's been going on on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. Every place.

01:33:50.000 That's what's been going on with Sarah Silverman.

01:33:52.000 That's what's been going on with Amy Schumer.

01:33:53.000 That's what's been going on with the entertainment industry.

01:33:55.000 They've been saying things confidently enough that a lot of us have been going, well, hold on a second.

01:34:00.000 They all say it.

01:34:02.000 It must be true.

01:34:03.000 You'd be surprised as to how much headway you can make just by being bold in declaring what you know to be true.

01:34:11.000 Arm yourself with information, but if you know it to be true and are just willing to speak about it publicly...

Louder with Crowder - March 03, 2017

#131 LEGAL VS. ILLEGAL! Dr. Jordan Peterson and Owen Benjamin | Louder With Crowder

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