Mark Duplass, George St. Pierre, and JG.G. Tremblay join Jemele to discuss the Women's Strike, and why it's a good thing they didn't join it. Plus, a new segment on the future of social justice.
00:03:22.000Pierre will be on, and we will be taking some fan questions, so you can tweet me at scrowder, and we'll have at JG Tremblay, Jean-Guy Tremblay, obviously a huge Rush fan.
00:03:47.000That's why there was no show yesterday, because we decided to join the strike, and the story was that there really was a non-story, kind of like Jared with the fight for 15.
00:05:42.000Samantha B. is a perpetually offended feminist, and she doesn't even realize that she's going to be cannibalized by this environment of social justice workers.
00:08:00.000But when your joke is, oh, we lost the whole technical crew, well, you can't do that and then bitch about how there are less than 2% women in technical jobs in the entertainment industry.
00:08:10.000We all know that most camera operators, most editors are men.
00:08:13.000You can't joke about how unfair it is with too many male writers and then act as though all the writing coming from men suck.
00:08:21.000By the way, they're all gay beta men, it seems like, too.
00:08:23.000Purely anecdotal, but every woman I went to film school with, they all sucked.
00:10:15.000Equally disturbing, women who can afford to take a full 12 weeks often don't because it'll mean incurring a motherhood penalty, meaning they will be perceived as less dedicated to their job and will be passed over for promotions and other career advancement.
00:12:01.000And the law doesn't recognize us exclusively giving us benefits while not understanding biological mechanisms that are outside of our choice by law according to gender.
00:12:31.000That might not be intellectually consistent.
00:12:32.000She sat there and she probably sat in front of her, I don't know, husband, live-in, boyfriend, whatever it is, and said, okay, I'm going to go over my notes.
00:12:59.000Now, as long as you have a pair of knockers and a loud mouth, maybe some little bit of celebrity status, you can get in front of the UN. Looks like he was doing some transgender duck motion.
00:13:20.000All right, okay, moving along the trail here, because we have a lot of guests to get to in junkie, Stephen Colbert.
00:13:25.000I think Stephen Colbert was very funny at SNL, but it might be time to put that to rest, because it's been a while, and he was out there talking about Republican care, Trump care, as they're calling it.
00:16:21.000If we have a story and it comes to us from some super ultra-conservative site, you know what, there's probably a liberal site that has it so we can use it as a source.
00:16:29.000That way it's at least corroborated by someone who isn't just cheerleading.
00:17:07.000That's the second month of the guy being president.
00:17:09.000So I know a lot of people have been tweeting this out there in contrast from NPR, this Twitter image here, the graph of Barack Obama's job growth, right?
00:19:21.000There's just an overall, and you can't judge this based on policy.
00:19:23.000As far as policy, Donald Trump's actions have been better than his words.
00:19:27.000But I do think there's an overall sentiment, if you look at where the job growth occurred in manufacturing and innovation here in the United States.
00:19:33.000If you look at the stock market, you look at people not flooding across illegally.
00:19:55.000People don't necessarily know how to put their finger on it yet, but they're optimistic, which means they spend more money, and that trickles down to everybody.
00:22:17.000It lasted a very short amount of time.
00:22:18.000It was not nearly as big as even a The whole point seemed to be we can't strike because we need the money, so therefore we need more money at our work so we can strike.
00:23:15.000I think we'll let you watch this for yourself, but if you had to just summarize it, free abortion, free stuff, yay communism, we don't want to work.
00:23:32.000There was the Women's March, then #DayWithoutImmigrants, Not to be outdone, the feminists came roaring back with hashtag Day Without a Woman on March 8th.
00:23:42.000It was publicized everywhere, all over media, new media, Facebook, front page of YouTube.
00:23:46.000After it started taking place, however, there was no mention of it.
00:23:52.000Thankfully, me and my producer went down to the protests.
00:24:53.000The point of capitalism is that there's an exploiting class and an exploiting class class.
00:25:02.000Environmental justice is reproductive justice, and environmental justice is a feminist issue.
00:25:07.000But the f***ing problem with this, to borrow from a comrade, is that what happens when you break a glass ceiling is it leaves the shards for millions of women that are below to step on.
00:25:19.000You know, the truth of the matter is, even when I'm talking right now, this is unpaid labor, you know?
00:25:23.000It's important to recognize these things.
00:25:25.000The education that we do and the work that we do is unpaid labor.
00:25:28.000It still begs the question, what does any of this have to do with feminism?
00:25:32.000And as far as event attendance, a big swing and a miss.
00:25:36.000As, you know, revolutionary socialists, who are many of the people organizing this, we're not here to promote cis-sexism or heteronormativity, especially if they're about feminism, which is not about biological determinants of anything.
00:25:49.000The vaginas, the experience, not only is that image detrimental to people who don't have that anatomy, or people who are uncomfortable with their anatomy, it's not inclusive.
00:26:01.000It would be hard to say that about it.
00:27:14.000Well, this event on this campus was very small and somewhat depressing, but we were assured that there would be hundreds later on at the town square, and the next campus over would be much bigger with a lot more going on, so we decided to check that out.
00:27:27.000Would you mind pointing that away from us until we know what's going on here?
00:28:57.000What's the killing of black trans women?
00:28:58.000So, like, the majority of, like, violence committed against, like, Like, trans people and trans women in particular are, like, targeted for, like, a lot, like, in terms of, like, police violence and just, like, intimate partner violence and, like, a lot of them, like, I don't want to say a lot of them, but there are, like, there's a significant part of the trans population that's, like, that are sex workers because they're, like, forced into sex work oftentimes because, like, they don't have any avenues for employment because of employment discrimination.
00:29:41.000So, like, trans women of color and particularly, like, black trans women are often the ones that are, like, most likely to be targeted for, like, violence like this and, like, murders and things.
00:30:05.000They're all getting paid 75 cents, 65 cents, 45 cents is what I think Hispanic women are being paid to the dollar.
00:30:12.000Four of them were trans women, like, were black trans women specifically, so, like, it, like, definitely, like, just, like, proportionately speaking, like, it's, like, a significant issue.
00:31:22.000Though ladies' work is often thought to be less meaningful, less fulfilling, and less productive than that of her hard-working male counterpart, the weaker sex earns her keep to the daily task of food preparation.
00:31:32.000Ensuring your hubby is fully satisfied is a daunting task.
00:32:26.000Having gone through the Montreal ice storms, my brother with the Los Angeles riots, we went weeks without even access to any kind of food, water.
00:32:33.000I just always have enough water to last through a month in case of an emergency, and I'm not going to buy a bunch of canned beans or do canning at home.
00:32:41.000My wife likes to pickle things, but...
00:34:07.000I've been following him since my brother introduced me to the Puffy Chair.
00:34:11.000He's an Austinite, and of course he has been on the show The League, where actually a character there, John Lajwa, his brother, was in my graduating class.
00:35:36.000Like, I've been around it, like— Reagan was a god in our house and we were a believer in trickle-down economics and all of that.
00:35:44.000And I actually also feel like I can understand those who, you know, felt like they kind of held their nose and voted for Trump because they felt like, you know, this is the best option for me.
00:35:58.000Yeah, like I wasn't on fire for Hillary, I'll be honest with you, you know, but I was like, Alright, there's some Supreme Court appointees coming up.
00:36:05.000I kind of want to make sure my party's represented.
00:36:09.000I'm pretty pragmatic when it comes to that.
00:36:10.000The thing that is mystifying me a little bit and that I'm really genuinely reaching out for, even though it occasionally sounds snarky on Twitter and I try not to, is...
00:36:21.000If you're on fire for Trump, if you love this guy and if you believe in him, I want to hear from you because that is hard for me to understand.
00:36:37.000I wouldn't say I'm on fire for Trump, but certainly a huge portion of this audience is.
00:36:42.000So if you really are trying to understand, let me give you kind of the first example.
00:36:46.000And you work in the entertainment industry, and like you said, if you were raised in the South, you kind of know the other side of that coin.
00:36:51.000What a standard reasoner, when you think about it, the left has behaved so poorly, so badly.
00:37:58.000Like, we're not happy about the healthcare bill, but when people freak out and call, using the racist, xenophobic, sexist, transphobic card now is kind of done being played forever, and a lot of people are happy with that.
00:38:11.000Why is that done being played forever?
00:38:19.000Your argument is that the left has cried wolf for so long that you can't hear it anymore.
00:38:25.000Yeah, well, they're saying it about Donald Trump, but it's like, yeah, Donald Trump's racist.
00:38:28.000Yeah, but you said it about Mitt Romney.
00:38:30.000Everyone now, they retroactively say, let me ask you this, genuinely, because you said you had kind of a handle on conservatives and what you think they want.
00:38:57.000I'm vehemently opposed to those two guys as I was to Trump.
00:39:01.000And a lot of it is, admittedly, and I think you feel this, is less about policy and more about personal behavior and being a symbol for our youth.
00:39:14.000I have two daughters who are nine and four years old, and they watch these things with me.
00:39:20.000It's important to me, even though it doesn't always directly affect policy on a microcosmic level.
00:39:26.000But that person represent moral righteousness and be a good person who I believe at their core has the best interests of everyone in this country at their heart.
00:39:38.000And I could be totally wrong and I could be totally uneducated.
00:39:41.000But when I feel Donald Trump and when I look at him, I see a very astute businessman and a really smart guy who learned that there was a section of America who felt left behind.
00:39:54.000And he targeted them and he campaigned correctly to them and he won that election.
00:40:00.000like this has been his passion his whole life is to represent the underrepresented in america and it really comes down to that old adage of like uh you know when i went to college everybody said Don't take the class.
00:40:12.000Don't worry about the microcosm of the agenda.
00:40:15.000Take the right person, because at the end of the day, they're going to learn how to extrapolate all these small things and set this wonderful example of how to teach you how to be a beautiful, giving, loving, smart human being in the world.
00:40:30.000George Bush in the 80s, I think that guy's a good guy, and I think his intentions were pure, and I think he really wanted to help, and I didn't agree with all of his methods.
00:40:48.000I can understand that, and I can understand, you know, I do find it interesting that this is kind of the election, I think, if we were to agree on common ground.
00:40:54.000This is the first time where the Democratic platform has ever argued that character matters.
00:41:14.000Listen, I don't disagree that a guy on wife number three and some of the things that he said would be indicative of someone who's a narcissist.
00:41:21.000I do think, however, the fundamental difference is conservatives, right-wingers, whatever you want to call it, and classical liberals look at policy.
00:41:28.000And the policy from Donald Trump has been a lot better than his words.
00:41:32.000And I do think with what you were just sort of talking about, that's what lends itself so much to leftists attributing motive.
00:41:39.000And I know we're just saying in this case, it's Donald Trump, but that has been the political campaign, the political strategy for the left for decades.
00:41:59.000If you cut something from the menu because nobody's buying it and then you're replacing with something better, by definition, you're cutting it, but you're trying to fix something.
00:42:06.000And I do think that is kind of to answer your first question, why a lot of people are seeing Donald Trump as a middle finger for two years.
00:42:15.000Too many years, and there's only so much time where you can assume somebody's motive in their heart.
00:42:24.000I think if Ted Cruz would have won this presidency, it would have been the exact same attacks.
00:42:29.000Racist, anti-immigrant, sexist, because, you know, Donald Trump, for example, I don't think he's a sexist in the sense that I don't think he hates women.
00:43:21.000I'm just trying to answer the question.
00:43:22.000I understand what you're saying there.
00:43:24.000I wouldn't say that the second argument you've talked about with overseas abortions is the predominant one, that people take issue with Donald Trump's sexism.
00:43:32.000I think things more like No, but they accuse it of being sexist, is my point.
00:43:35.000So when you accuse that of being sexist, and everyone knows it's clearly not, people go, wait, hold on a second, maybe the accusation of sexism is just for political...
00:43:44.000I don't think it's about the overseas stuff as much.
00:43:46.000I think that's what you're hearing is the accusation.
00:43:48.000No, it's trending everywhere that whole day.
00:43:50.000The whole day it happened for weeks, and we were at the Women's March yesterday.
00:43:56.000And until we are out from under the thumb of patriarchy and our abortions are taxpayer-funded, I mean, this is their mainstream policy agenda.
00:44:04.000And so when they say it's sexist to disagree with that, people say, you know what, okay, I guess I'm sexist.
00:44:10.000Just out of curiosity, just to get back to your character comments, you mentioned that you have some character issues with Barack Obama with transparency.
00:44:20.000How do you feel, just from a personal opinion, and you don't have to answer that if you don't want to, the character of Barack Obama compares to the character of Donald Trump?
00:44:28.000I think it's a valid question, and we've talked about it on air.
00:44:30.000I think there's no question that Barack Obama was a fantastic, or as far as we know, obviously, listen, as far as we know as the public, fantastic father and a good husband.
00:44:40.000Certainly a better husband than Donald Trump.
00:44:42.000I mean, marriage number one, his wife adores him, seems to have well-adjusted kids.
00:44:46.000I do think Donald Trump seems to have been a good father.
00:44:50.000But I certainly would say, hey, I can see the argument that Barack Obama has a leg up in his familial life.
00:44:55.000That's immediate family stuff, but in terms of global community and inclusiveness and willingness to see that every person has value and not favor one person over the other, how do you feel like he compares to Trump or those two compare?
00:45:08.000Well, I think that's a loaded question because inclusiveness is not inherently a moral value.
00:45:12.000Certainly not if you're including things that shouldn't be included in a civilized society.
00:45:18.000For example, countries at a table who want to implement Sharia law, or people who want to wipe Israel off the face of the map, or people who demand that American taxpayers fund abortion overseas.
00:45:29.000I don't believe in globalist policies.
00:45:31.000I do believe in the idea of putting your country and your nation first, especially when we're spending more abroad than any nation.
00:45:38.000I think that's separate from a personal moral issue, but I would definitely concede territory that Barack Obama seems, even though he's ideologically misguided, seems in his personal life to have conducted himself in a moral way, you know, college and onward.
00:45:53.000Does it ever occur to you, and this is where I get less educated and I literally genuinely am asking because I think that you spend your all day talking, learning about politics, and you probably know a lot more than I do on just a fact-to-fact basis.
00:46:08.000The America First ideology that just says, I've been left behind.
00:46:13.000If we're helping too many of these other people, it's going to take away resources from us.
00:46:18.000Does that ever bother you on a personal level and from a Christian level of The message of, you know, I was raised Catholic.
00:46:25.000I went to a Jesuit school that said men for others, and it was drilled into me.
00:46:29.000And that's not just people who look like you and feel like you, but others is global.
00:47:23.000We're an imperialistic nation where we're spending too much money abroad.
00:47:26.000One could almost say that an empire is profitable, not costly.
00:47:31.000We are the only country who uses our military as the greatest peacekeeping force that's ever existed, attempt to establish stable democracies, whether it occurs or not.
00:47:39.000And we ask for nothing more than the land in which to bury our dead who provided them that opportunity.
00:47:43.000I don't think that it's our job, certainly when it's a thankless job, to be the world's greatest charity, even though we are.
00:47:51.000Second portion of that question, there's no such thing as coerced empathy.
00:47:56.000So you're right, conservatives Christians do give more, a whole lot more.
00:48:00.000Certainly like Barack Obama or Joe Biden gave less than 1%.
00:48:04.000These people are millionaires to charity.
00:48:06.000There's a great book called Who Really Cares by, I think it's Arthur Brooks.
00:48:18.000Well, you know, I'm glad you brought up the charity issue, and that's interesting to me because in the interest of trying to find the bridge and the commonality, which is essentially why I'm here, is to listen.
00:48:33.000I'm reaching out on my Twitter, and I'm trying to reach out to, like, really true Trump supporters and hear things and listen because...
00:48:42.000hearing is they don't want to hear from me.
00:48:44.000They have a knee-jerk reaction to me and call me a name.
00:48:46.000And what I'm hearing is they feel the same way about liberals.
00:48:49.000So I'm just like, all right, maybe there's some work to be done here and just listening.
00:48:53.000One of the things I'm trying to do right now is...
00:48:57.000Build charitable campaigns for very simple bipartisan causes that everybody can get behind.
00:49:04.000And even that is proving somewhat difficult at times.
00:49:08.000So what you see, and since you're kind of steeped in your world, what are the things, if I'm like, hey guys, I have all these Twitter followers who will dollar for dollar match me when I run campaigns.
00:49:20.000So occasionally I'll be like, I'm putting up the first 10 grand.
00:49:24.000What are the things that you see that are really important issues that you think could cross the divide that liberals would see too that we could go in on together and create You know, that 2% commonality gets us some bipartisan change that might create some goodwill.
00:49:39.000Now, do you mean just as charities or basically pushing for some policies that we could all agree with?
00:49:45.000It's broad as like, you know, look, I know when I reach out to conservatives, they tell me things like, I need to know that it's like 100% efficient.
00:50:02.000You know, don't just like give money and stall the well and let the clean water run, you know.
00:50:07.000So but I'm trying to really dig at these things because my goal is like you and I can sit here and argue all day long and spout facts at each other about why we're right.
00:50:16.000And that will just be like everybody else.
00:50:17.000I'm going to I'm going to try to say let's forget that for a second.
00:50:22.000And let's join up on something and let's build something.
00:50:25.000And just thank God I make a little bit of money on TV shows and use some of that capital to try and build something.
00:50:31.000Yeah, well, I think it's a great question.
00:50:33.000Actually, Dave Rubin is another guy you might want to pay attention to.
00:50:37.000He's a gay centrist who is now becoming more and more right-wing just because he doesn't believe the left has any place for someone like him anymore.
00:50:55.000So you're saying it's more of a policy interest is what you're seeing overall?
00:50:58.000No, I'm saying it's easy to find where conservatives and liberals, if you start a charity, you know, like let's give shoes to people who don't have shoes, you'll get all sorts of conservatives and liberals.
00:51:07.000I think if you're talking about finding common ground...
00:51:18.000How dare you try to ask me for my hard-earned money to give it to these people who I don't have any clue about whether they're in this position because of what they did to themselves or whether they're a victim of society.
00:51:28.000And they don't want to give unless they have empirical proof that this person is totally a victim of society and there's no sympathy otherwise.
00:51:35.000Well, I think if you're talking about that 2% commonality, I think you're talking about a very fringe, fringe, small percentage of Twitter.
00:51:41.000So let's have to kind of put them aside to unpack it.
00:51:44.000My point is, I think you'll get everyone who wants, you know, to improve fellow Americans or other non-Americans' lives through charity.
00:51:52.000I mean, you find that in every church across the country.
00:52:02.000As far as policy-wise, I think that's more difficult, but I do think there are some things where we can find some common ground.
00:52:06.000I think one, honestly, is school vouchers, school choice.
00:52:11.000If we're going to be funding a public education system, and maybe, and this is, it could be me totally ignorant.
00:52:16.000I've had policy experts who cannot give me an argument.
00:52:19.000I don't understand how anyone could be opposed to the idea of attaching our current funding to the student as opposed to a mandatory school board.
00:52:29.000That seems like something that, and I know because Betsy DeVos shouldn't be in that position, and I don't think she's super qualified.
00:52:35.000People throw the baby out with the bathwater, but let's say we're spending $10,000 per student right now.
00:52:40.000They have to go to a crappy public school that doesn't work.
00:52:42.000I don't know any argument, and I would like to see the right and left come together where we say, you know what, let's just attach that to the student as a grant and allow him to take it any school to which he can travel, period.
00:52:55.000I think that's something we could all come together on.
00:52:58.000Yeah, I mean, one of the initiatives that I run is quite simply, most places you can hire a TA for a dedicated arts program for any public school, and it's about $11,000 a semester because you're not dealing with a lot of the bureaucratic red tape because they're actually just like a TA. And so, to your point of...
00:53:19.000Education and children, I find that, like, that is where I find the most commonality between, from a just 30,000 foot view of liberals and conservatives, everybody, I see the eyes locked and I see, oh, these are kids, so they're clearly not responsible for their own situation they're in, so we can all get behind them and help them, you know, and that's a cause that I'm I'm very interested in trying to track.
00:54:00.000Is it possible, for example, for someone out there who's a Trump supporter, let's say, supports Donald Trump, voted for them, they're enthusiastic, supports a wall, supports immigration policy that's strict right now and is not a racist?
00:54:18.000It's a tricky and a loaded question, you know?
00:54:21.000I would say the economic policies and some of the basic things that follow conservative party lines, for sure, that doesn't have anything to do with racism, you know?
00:54:30.000It gets a little more nuanced for me, and this question, you bring up a baby with a bathwater, like...
00:54:56.000But that is hard for me to understand how many really good people who have good intentions and need our help coming into the country get kept out with such a stringent policy.
00:55:09.000And it's not like we didn't have any security going on before.
00:55:12.000So it's not as simple as, oh, they're clearly a racist.
00:55:16.000Sometimes it's as simple as, My first priority is to protect myself, and I am frightened.
00:55:22.000And if this by chance keeps out some people that I don't really know that well and I don't really understand because they're kind of far from me and not in my community, so be it.
00:55:31.000I don't think that they're actively thinking, get them out!
00:56:02.000And she is the biggest advocate for legal immigration and a national language that you will ever meet.
00:56:07.000A language that she didn't know and she had to learn.
00:56:09.000And that's because she wants she came here for opportunity that wasn't available in socialist province like Quebec.
00:56:15.000Cannot say anyone who comes from socialist countries, despite what people like Bernie Sanders will tell us, they're horrible hell holes as far as ambitions and dreams and opportunity.
00:56:23.000And she doesn't say, I want to protect myself.
00:56:26.000She would love for her family to be able to come here as well if they had an interest in doing so.
00:56:30.000But she wants to preserve exactly the beacon that she followed to the United States.
00:56:35.000And she sees the direction of immigration, certainly before President Trump, as one that could tear at the fabrics of that.
00:56:42.000So it has nothing to do with her own personal interest, has her wanting the United States of America that she sought out to still be the United States of America.
00:56:49.000And I think that's most people who support immigration policy.
00:56:52.000And again, maybe I'm uneducated, but like what about when you're in a place of crisis like Syria?
00:56:58.000You've been living in a camp for three years.
00:57:00.000You're escaping an area that's oppressive, and you're a father who's got five daughters, and you are trying to get here to a place that is safe, and you are being shut out, and there are people here who are willing to help you land.
00:57:16.000And the work ethic is there, and I'm ready.
00:57:19.000I'm ready to say, I'm ready to donate that first $8,000 to $10,000 that's like a $2,200 minivan that barely gets by so you can get your kids to school, and English training for your girls so they can be integrated, and new job training for you dads getting to the hospitality industry, and we want to make you citizens and be the land of opportunity.
00:57:39.000I want them here, and I want to support, and I'm willing to quote-unquote Tax myself, or whatever you want to call it, and take some of the money I'm making to help support that.
00:57:49.000Let me challenge you there if I can, because you're a pretty wealthy guy.
00:57:52.000I mean, I'm not saying you're rich, but you're...
00:59:09.000I mean, it's an interesting question, and it puts me on a spot, but I honestly don't understand the pertinence of the question.
00:59:17.000Whether I personally host them or whether I am funding the program and there are people in place to help get them set, and I'm not doing it myself.
00:59:26.000What's the difference in net effect for them?
00:59:28.000Yeah, here's why and track with me here and let me know if you don't understand it.
00:59:32.000Because the idea, again, you have a lot of money comparatively to most Americans.
00:59:36.000That's relatively easy for you to do to fund.
00:59:39.000That's the same idea of the federal government funding.
00:59:41.000Now, when you are dealing statistically mostly with middle-aged, perfect soldier-aged men who are coming over, these aren't mostly women and children.
00:59:50.000These are mostly middle-aged men coming over.
01:00:17.000It's really easy for people like us to say, we'll fund it.
01:00:20.000But there are a lot of people saying, you know what?
01:00:22.000You can fund it, but we have to live with it.
01:00:24.000And every country thus far that's done it has gone the other way and rejected it.
01:00:28.000But I'm, I'm funding a family of five and they're super sweet and there's a program in place that's there to guide them and I don't want an immigration policy that keeps them out and hopefully we can have something more nuanced that doesn't just empirically shut them out.
01:00:43.000I believe that there's room for nuance.
01:00:46.000We're talking about six war-torn countries where people have come.
01:00:48.000There's the reason these countries are on the list.
01:00:51.000It is pretty nuanced, and it doesn't apply to people with work visas.
01:00:54.000So it really isn't nearly as bad as people have made it out to be.
01:00:57.000It's specifically targets countries from where people have immigrated and caused great problems.
01:01:04.000And there have been great transgressions wherever they've immigrated.
01:01:06.000And so Americans are now saying what retroactively Swedes, Germans, the Finnish are saying with God, we wish we didn't do this because it didn't work out.
01:01:16.000And again, I think they can say, you know what?
01:01:18.000Yeah, let's take the skilled immigration from Uganda, from Korea, from China.
01:01:24.000Just not the places where statistically they've brought a lot of rape and blowing stuff up with them.
01:01:29.000And I don't think that means they're racist.
01:01:30.000They're discriminatory and that they want to protect their country.
01:01:33.000I mean, look, you make a very intelligent argument, and I totally hear you.
01:01:40.000My opinion is that this policy feels a little more stringent than it needs to be, and if it's going to keep out this family and this opportunity that has placement— And you can say it's easy for me to throw money at them, but I don't have to live with them.
01:01:55.000I would be more than happy to live with these people in my community because I've Skyped with them and I've talked to them and their work ethic is there.
01:02:03.000It's the conservatives' wet dream, man.
01:02:32.000These differences are always going to be there.
01:02:33.000What I'm troubled by and why I'm coming a little more forward now is this escalation and this gridlock that's happened and an utter lack of grace, patience and listening when it comes to bipartisan communication and bothers the shit out of me.
01:02:50.000And I'm trying to figure out ways to cross that divide.
01:02:53.000And the only thing I can think to do right now is to come with an open heart, try to admit my ignorance politically when I don't have it, and just say, I don't know, I haven't read that much, because I'm trying to do what I can and catch up.
01:03:07.000And so show me, and show me your side.
01:03:10.000And then at the same time, I'm trying to believe that, you know...
01:03:15.000I'll call it that this might be my own agenda and trying to put my own agenda on someone, but I'm trying to believe that the spirit of charity, in particular charities that are dealing with people that don't exactly look and feel like the people in America who have voted for Trump and have felt like they have been marginalized and forgotten for other people that don't look and feel like them, that if we can come together on that little sliver of a bridge I don't know.
01:03:54.000I never want anyone to feel like they're sandbagged.
01:03:57.000And I just think, I do think, when we talk about that, you might have a little bit of a blind spot.
01:04:01.000And I would say more so than people in this room.
01:04:04.000And the reason for that is, think about it.
01:04:06.000I mean, I was raised in a socialist province.
01:04:08.000I've worked in the entertainment industry my whole life.
01:04:10.000You know, lived out of 82 Dotson in L.A. Anyone who's gone to college, anyone who is raised in public schools, goes to college, and works in media or the entertainment industry is surrounded by 99% the exact same view.
01:04:54.000We don't do that with political opposition.
01:04:57.000The left has become so intolerant of different points of view.
01:05:01.000If you want to find common ground, if you want to see people, like I said, come together on that bridge, I have to disagree with you that the right is much more tolerant than the left of different points of view.
01:05:14.000But then again, I'm a person who is on Twitter espousing things.
01:05:18.000I mean, if you look at my Twitter feed, when I come out gently and I say, I am genuinely interested to figure out what is going on, the amount of vitriol, and again, it's Twitter, and I understand that, but it's not dissimilar to what's coming from the left.
01:05:32.000I would agree with you and totally concede that we're 50-50 breadlocked.
01:05:36.000If there's less tolerance on the left, I don't feel that.
01:05:40.000I do think so, because there's only one side today, if we agree, only one side of the political spectrum fighting for free speech and one side fighting for less individual rights.
01:05:48.000The platform today, the democratic platform, is less freedom.
01:05:52.000For the first time, and I hope that you really zone in here, this is the first time in modern American history where any major American political platform, today's modern progressive left, are fighting and protesting I think?
01:06:24.000I mean, I've had to work with the FBI counterterrorism online crime unit because of statements I've made regarding Islam.
01:06:30.000So everything has had to be completely unlisted and secure.
01:06:33.000And that's very different from an egg saying, you know, you filthy Jew, which I get all the time, despite not being Jewish.
01:06:38.000So I understand where you're coming from.
01:06:40.000But there's a huge difference in one side trying to silence free speech right now.
01:06:45.000And that is not as a matter of policy anywhere on the right wing platform.
01:06:50.000Well, you know, look, I'm not going to argue you all day long about whether one side is 50-50 or 40-60, and I respectfully disagree that there is much more tolerance coming from the right for liberal attitudes, but what I will 100% agree with you and concede is that there is gridlock here.
01:07:07.000I would like to see more Right-wing people showing up on leftist talk shows and leftist podcasts.
01:07:16.000If you're not seeing that, that's a really good thing to challenge, and you should challenge more.
01:07:25.000I'm not really almost here to debate as much as I am to listen and hear things.
01:07:31.000And I would like to see a lot more of that.
01:07:34.000And I think that if I could just say anything to your followers before I go, I would just say that if you can, try not to listen to any vitriolic...
01:07:57.000No, I would just say that a lot of the incendiary stuff that you're hearing from the left is fear-based, and there are a lot of people who are afraid of this regime.
01:08:09.000And I think they have right to be afraid, and we can argue that until the cows come home.
01:08:13.000But I think there are some people in there who have shown that there is some racist behavior, and I think that we're not going to call everybody racist.
01:08:19.000And there is some misogynist behavior, though we're not going to call everybody misogynist.
01:08:23.000And I would just say there are a lot more people who are confused, a little scared, um, But when I told people I was coming on this podcast, they were like, that's fucking awesome.
01:09:11.000Yes, and we readily do things that are incendiary, that are offensive, to prove a point, though we never actually go up to simply hurt somebody's feelings.
01:09:18.000But we're in an era where everyone's feelings are hurt by something.
01:09:22.000But we do try and conduct the interviews with people with a differing point of view this way.
01:09:27.000Sometimes they get more heated, particularly when people come in guns blazing.
01:09:33.000Continue this conversation another time, and if we do find something that we could both be on board with to support policy-wise, absolutely, and make it public so that people can see it as an example.
01:10:01.000Well, the fact that a lesbian Jew like Sally Cohn has come back several times tells me that, all right, maybe people aren't too brutal as they are.
01:10:08.000Like, the YouTube comment section is where dreams go to die.
01:10:22.000Well, I know it's been a big cause of his for a long time.
01:10:25.000Lately, Van Jones has only been in headlines because, again, he had the gall to say, hey, Donald Trump sounded presidential, and now they're calling for his resignation at CNN. So if there's something recent outside of that, I haven't followed it.
01:10:36.000Well, he's got a big bipartisan issue going on, and it's basically, if you're looking for that thing that's policy-oriented, that's like, what do we both agree on?
01:10:45.000It's like, oh, the prison system is really, really screwed up, and this has had a...
01:10:51.000Since the war on drugs, there's a really big problem here with black males, and everybody's behind it.
01:10:56.000And so that's a really interesting thing on the policy front.
01:10:58.000And then the last question I have for you is, if I was going to go back to my...
01:11:06.000Super Hollywood liberal bubble, like the most loud, angry people in the world right now.
01:11:12.000If you tell them something through me, because they probably won't listen to you, but they will listen to me.
01:11:17.000What is the message that I can send that makes them...
01:12:01.000Meaning that, as a matter of fact, the way the government grows the least, people who don't know this, is a Democratic president with a Republican House and Senate.
01:12:08.000That's actually the way to keep government expansion in check the most, historically.
01:12:18.000I think the polarization as to what you're talking about more, more so the personal vilification and people not being willing to listen, I think it goes back to the direct quote with President Obama when he said he came in.
01:13:00.000Even presenting the question that I did, listen, you have to allow room for someone who may disagree with you on every political issue, even the ones that you think are racially charged or somehow gender charged, and allow for room that they might just have a different idea on policy or how to fix the problem.
01:13:18.000And if they do that, if they, for example, I don't think that liberals hate kids and don't want them educated when they want to put them into a failing public school system.
01:13:27.000I think they believe that throwing more money at a failed system will help.
01:13:31.000I just ask that they say to me, hey, you know what?
01:13:34.000I don't think you hate all poor kids and you hate kids being educated.
01:13:37.000I think that you see a failing system and you believe there's a different solution.
01:13:41.000If we just allow for the possibility on every Even a guy like Jeff Sessions, who has had these racists, you know, would you say that he is a racist or no?
01:13:56.000I don't believe he's a racist if you look at how much he's done and he got an NAACP award.
01:14:00.000So I believe he's done some things that are bad.
01:14:03.000And I believe that he's done some things that are very, very good.
01:14:06.000I believe he's done some things that are tremendous for African Americans or people of color, whatever term now is the least offensive.
01:14:53.000I leave the right that I could be wrong, but I mean, again, you know, the NAACP, is it the NAACP? I think it could be the NAACP. Maybe it was another American organization that gave me an award.
01:15:02.000There's a quote from him in 1985 saying something that's pretty brutal, and you know, you could say, oh, that was 35 years ago.
01:15:10.000The only reason I ask that is that it's a different thing when you go back to an African-American woman and you say, like, I really need you to assume that Jeff Sessions has your best interests at heart and assume his intentions are good for you when I really need you to assume that Jeff Sessions has your best interests at heart and assume his intentions are good for you And that's a tough pill to swallow.
01:16:08.000Fourth after Secretary of State, then President Pro Temporum is the next in line for the presidency.
01:16:13.000So at that point, I believe at this point in time, if a plane goes down with Biden, Obama, and Pelosi, boom, Robert Burge, your president.
01:16:18.000Robert Byrd filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
01:16:21.000Of course, the Democrats did back then.
01:16:23.000They were widely opposed to civil rights.
01:16:25.000Robert Byrd was a top-ranking recruiter for the Klan.
01:16:28.000And then, as recently as, I believe, 2001 or 2004, repeatedly used the term white nigger on air on Fox News in an interview.
01:16:38.000So they were constantly saying, up until the 2000s, and Hillary Clinton said he's an example, he's reformed, he's no longer the same, and then he said that out!
01:18:31.000I think actually believing that you are superior solely based on your race is probably one of the most poisonous ideological worldviews I can think of.
01:19:02.000And that happened for eight years into the previous administration and we saw people lose their jobs and we saw people lose respect because everyone who opposed that president was simply, they're a racist.
01:19:13.000Whether it's Janine Garofalo or Morgan Freeman, a socialist as code for the n-word.
01:19:17.000And they were constantly painted as racist.
01:19:19.000So now people are saying, oh, my God, we might have a racist in the cabinet or whoever it might be.
01:19:26.000We don't necessarily need to name names.
01:19:27.000But just as bad, just as life ruining for someone to act on racism is to simply throw out the accusation of racism.
01:19:34.000And I think you're seeing some pendulum swinging there.
01:19:36.000And I hope people in the entertainment industry are aware that this is a big monster that they played a large part in creating.
01:19:43.000And hopefully now we can learn from it and say, gosh, we got really drunk at that party and we need to come back to some common basic principles.
01:19:50.000But it doesn't seem like that's going to happen anywhere in the near future, looking at these marches and riots.
01:19:56.000Well, you know, at the same side of the coin, I would just say, you know, I would hope that everyone who is in the Trump regime right now, now and I would hope that everyone who vehemently supports them with their heart can understand that some of these principles and the way that these messages are coming across are instilling a lot of fear in the hearts of people who are feeling marginalized and untaken care of and that there may be a reason why they're behaving this way and uh
01:20:23.000Hopefully we can have some conversations and create some bridges and find a way.
01:20:33.000We went to the march yesterday when it was pussy hat economics and pissing on Donald Trump and effigy.
01:20:37.000And yesterday when we went to the ladies' march, it was comrade and it was socialism and women have built a society and down with patriarchy.
01:20:44.000I tell you what, we felt a little bit afraid.
01:20:48.000So if there could actually be one reasonable march, one reasonable rally from the left, I will join you and personally speak there and take part in helping to make that happen.
01:20:57.000My argument is that it's going to be a game of inches.
01:21:09.000By the way, for people who are watching the movie Creep, If you haven't watched it, Mess Me Up, one of my favorite thrillers in modern memory, Mark Duplass.
01:23:09.000Looking at this bill, I think that it's worse than Obamacare because it keeps the worst elements, and some people think that scaling back is a better step than not doing anything, but those people certainly are.
01:23:27.000And I also think that Republicans should think very long and hard about their voting constituency, who Wanted to see a full repeal and replacement with this bill.
01:23:40.000And I think that many of them right now are making a mistake in supporting this bill and standing with Paul Ryan on this platform, but not me.
01:23:55.000I still like the man, but damn it, Dr.
01:25:03.000Hey, let me ask you, right out of the gate, who would you say, I know you'll never say yourself, the best fighters of all time, like if you have to give two, who would you say?
01:25:15.000The one that has done something that I've never been done before for his time, I think the greatest of all time for me is Royce Gracie.
01:30:17.000And I can imagine that would be really frustrating for you back then, where people are saying, oh, fight this person, fight that person.
01:30:22.000And if you know sometimes and you don't want to be a snitch, but you know, listen, this isn't fair.
01:30:26.000People who aren't in the sport can't know that.
01:30:28.000And I think especially now looking at the legacy at the UFC, considering that you're really probably one of the only high profile, long reigning champions who didn't have any run ins with that.
01:30:38.000This is just me being a fangirl, of course, saying, you know, I would put you as best fighter of all time.
01:31:48.000Did you do that in the States or did you do it in Montreal?
01:31:52.000I did my surgery in the United States by Dr.
01:31:56.000Ella Trash in Los Angeles, Carlin& Job Hospital, and I did my rehab there too, but I gained a lot of knowledge.
01:32:06.000I read a lot of books too, so I've learned.
01:32:09.000When I was doing it, I was learning at the same time, and now I can take that knowledge and keep it for myself and help the guys that need it, also in Montreal.
01:32:20.000Well, I'm sure that's a big help because obviously for the reasons, you know, you went to Los Angeles, the medical innovations tend to be at the cutting edge in the States and some Canadian athletes, depending where they are in the country, you know, don't have access to that.
01:32:31.000So at least bringing the knowledge back with you, I mean, that's got to be a huge help to your team at TriStar, I'd imagine.
01:35:03.000The size, the height, inertia, everything that comes with size and the advantage, everything that comes with that, he's going to have the physical aspect of the advantage of it.
01:35:42.000You know you drink whenever you want to drink.
01:35:45.000The thing that bothered me is he started insulting me and he came at the press conference late and he smelled alcohol when I made the face up with him.
01:37:59.000Pierce's mom was so mad in the special that they showed a basement which was dusty, so my mom asked if it was Yeah, they will keep it for the kids because it's like a playground for the kids.
01:38:14.000But if we finish it and we make rooms and walls and everything, right now it's going to be useless because we want it to be for the kids.
01:38:26.000For my sister's kids, but maybe in a few years when they grow up, I guess my parents will be willing to change.
01:38:36.000I even offered her to pay for the renovation and everything.
01:38:39.000And she convinced me that right now it's a bad idea.
01:38:43.000Just because she doesn't want to have to clean it up again, because French Canadians clean up everything.
01:38:46.000As you're finished eating, they clean up the place.
01:38:50.000She was very insulted that they say it was a dusty basement, but you know, it is my mom.
01:38:57.000She wanted everything to be looking good on camera and this.
01:39:39.000Anytime you have anything to promote, you know, there are a lot of people out here who maybe, this is a different audience, don't necessarily follow MMA, but we're always trying to educate them.
01:41:36.000This is going to be in Fort Worth, April 8th.
01:41:39.000We're going to be giving out Best Gun, Best Holster, Best Ammo of the Year, Second Amendment, Not Gay Jared and I will be hosting this in Fort Worth.
01:46:08.000You know, Jared was bringing this up during the break.
01:46:10.000And we'll get some comments here on Twitter.
01:46:12.000You know, I'm looking through my Twitter feed where people, some people are upset that when you're talking with someone like a Mark Duplass where he asked about the morality comparison between Barack Obama and Donald Trump.
01:46:22.000I don't feel any problem with conceding ground when it's correct.
01:46:25.000When, you know what, Barack Obama we probably think was a better husband.
01:46:30.000Didn't, you know, he didn't have divorce after divorce after divorce and settled out of court.
01:46:34.000Seems to be a good father to his kids.
01:46:36.000There's nothing, and what's funny is a lot of people often say, Krotter's an ideologue.
01:46:40.000I'm just honest about how I see the world.
01:46:42.000I'm honest about the lens through which I see the world.
01:46:44.000But I also think there's a value to being truthful.
01:46:49.000It doesn't serve anybody, any purpose, if I lie.
01:46:52.000And no, no, Barack Obama sucks at everything.
01:48:10.000I do think that when you get into these conversations, and it was a long conversation, and I hope that Mark Duplass comes back, and I hope you also notice that on the show we sort of match intensity.
01:48:17.000If someone comes on and is very respectful and wants to have a conversation, we always end up having a conversation.
01:48:36.000But it is important to not be so far along the trail cheerleading for a person or for a party letter next to somebody's name that you're not willing to concede truth.
01:48:46.000And I know some people who disagree with me on some issues will say, well, you're doing that with, I don't know, insert whatever here, climate, flying spaghetti monster.
01:48:53.000No, no, listen, I've come to those conclusions myself.
01:48:59.000But I'm never going to refuse to concede territory that I know to be true simply because I know there could be negative political ramifications with our base or with the red meat community.
01:49:12.000And you see that a lot with conservatives.
01:49:35.000It is tempting to do that because in the age of immediate clicks and immediate gratification, it's really easy to go that route.
01:49:41.000And I think if you look at the entirety of our catalog of work, and we have shows like this where we'll have a 40-minute conversation with Mark Duplass.
01:49:48.000And then, yes, yesterday we went to a mall and we did a cringe-worthy gay man, straight man version of Horse.
01:49:54.000And yes, we will go undercover as transgenders to infiltrate a liberal community, and then we will go and do a video on a special needs group, creating a pro-life message.
01:50:03.000We really do just try to experiment, and sometimes you won't like it, sometimes you will like it, but we appreciate that you come on this journey with us, and we certainly experiment a lot more behind the paywall, lotofcredit.com slash mugclub, for those who want to be interested and support this kind of...
01:50:17.000More innovative content, but I do think it's important to note if there's no other takeaway, and you saw this with Mark Duplass, I do think that was a conversation, certainly from my end, of trying to actually get to the truth.
01:50:28.000And you don't necessarily need to be empathetic to someone's position, but you do need to try and get to the truth of why they've arrived there.
01:50:39.000And you look like you're going to say that.
01:50:40.000Yeah, I think as a conservative, it's important to remember that you don't have to be afraid of truth because we seek truth.
01:50:47.000You don't have to look at the world as we wish it were or be married or enslaved that way.
01:50:53.000It's okay as a conservative to be enslaved to truth, not to a person.
01:50:56.000And that's okay because we're not afraid of truth.
01:52:06.000You don't have to sympathize with the position or certainly the reasoning, but you need to try and understand why they've come to that conclusion.
01:52:13.000And that's what makes it so much easier when you have these conversations, if you understand why they think the way that they do, which means you have to understand ideologies.
01:52:20.000This whole, I just go by issue by issue.
01:52:24.000Well, then you need to understand why people do have ideologies and you need to understand what those ideologies are, because that's how you understand when people get so far off the beam of truth, they believe something that is completely unjustifiable.
01:52:35.000You need to be able to piece out the information that you're delivered and at least try and distill it to some form of truth.
01:52:43.000Now, that means that you have to have the ability to concede something that's truthful, even if you don't like hearing it.
01:52:50.000And by the way, conceding something truthful that you don't like hearing, it doesn't necessarily mean that your point is untrue.
01:52:54.000For example, if they say our public school system is broken, I agree.
01:53:01.000That doesn't completely negate my point of school choice, charter schools, school vouchers.
01:53:06.000So if you are so set in your way where you believe liberals or libtards as Mark Duplass, I don't think we've ever used that word on this show.
01:53:13.000And I have a standing order of no one to write it on the website.
01:53:16.000If they have, listen, that doesn't come from me and I apologize, but I know Courtney doesn't in case he doesn't.
01:53:23.000But we don't use that terminology, libtard.
01:53:26.000It doesn't matter how far you think they are.
01:53:28.000If you are able to concede, okay, you know what, maybe this is true, guess what?
01:53:32.000It makes what you deliver that much more poignant.
01:53:35.000And Owen Benjamin, sometimes people have come on the show, I just discussed this because sometimes people say, well, how do you learn to talk with these people?
01:53:43.000I If you watch it, it really wasn't a debate.
01:53:46.000And I don't go into it with a mindset of scoring points and a couple of sound bites for cable news or for a Facebook feed.
01:53:51.000That's why we'll occasionally do an interview that's 40 minutes.
01:53:54.000It breaks every rule as to what's good for TV, to have a conversation with a give and take and trying to understand each other.
01:54:00.000But in the long run, sometimes that's a whole lot more productive, especially if you're going out and I see a lot of young kids.
01:54:06.000In college, they're watching these videos, they're listening to these speeches, whether it's me, whether it's Milo, whoever it is, and they like the controversy, and we do.
01:54:14.000We use controversy, but in your day-to-day life, being able to distill the truth, being able to concede territory, being able to convince people.
01:54:24.000And living in the truth, not your truth, find the truth and branch out from there.
01:54:29.000You'll have some productive discussions.
01:54:30.000And I think it's helped us a whole lot.
01:54:32.000And it's allowed us to have people on the show who would never set foot.