Louder with Crowder - #167 'LIBERALS' ARE THE EXTREMISTS! Ben Shapiro and Alex Epstein | Louder With Crowder

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00:02:36.000 me Inspector Gadget.

00:02:38.000 Okay, that is the Thursday show.

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00:02:42.000 We have Ben Shapiro today, Alex Epstein, Thursday live on the YouTubes.

00:02:46.000 Glad to see you.

00:02:47.000 Today, producing with me in video studio, as always, is Jared, who is not gay. 0.95

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00:03:20.000 Matthew Broderick, you call that a film?

00:03:22.000 We have, and then his sequel was French Stewart.

00:03:25.000 Oh, it doesn't get any worse.

00:03:27.000 Alex Epstein, author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, and of course Ben Shapiro will be talking about Comey.

00:03:32.000 I have a macro issue I want to get into today, because I received an email from...

00:03:37.000 Quite a few students saying, you know what?

00:03:38.000 I feel as though this is something that comes up all the time in college.

00:03:40.000 Can you help me out with that?

00:03:41.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:03:42.000 We have a lot of news to get to.

00:03:43.000 We do have a lot of news.

00:03:44.000 A lot of news.

00:03:45.000 A lot of guests.

00:03:46.000 But let's hit some news off the top.

00:03:47.000 Texas bill.

00:03:48.000 Now, there's a bill in Texas that just passed that could potentially keep transgenders out of high school sports.

00:03:55.000 Of course, this has the left outraged.

00:03:58.000 Because if this happens...

00:03:59.000 What kind of a society would we be?

00:04:01.000 Who wouldn't have boys setting girls track meet records or winning wrestling meets or this?

00:04:08.000 It could be a chemical bomb and that music makes it funny. 0.62

00:04:28.000 That's Fallon Fox, male to female transgender who beats the hell out of women in a cage for a living. 1.00

00:04:32.000 And this goes back to, I mean, it's one of those things where, again, because we read leftist websites all the time, I sit there and I just read the outrage.

00:04:39.000 And I first read their outrage until I see what the bill is about.

00:04:42.000 And it's more so targeting steroids, but because of hormone replacement therapy, which is really bad for people, it also would include that.

00:04:52.000 It's a chemical advantage.

00:04:54.000 I didn't know we needed a bill for this.

00:04:56.000 I didn't.

00:04:56.000 I guess so.

00:04:57.000 And it's only happening in Texas. 0.70

00:04:59.000 And in California, they think we're the crazy ones.

00:05:00.000 And they always say it's completely invalid.

00:05:02.000 It's just logically lazy to use the slippery slope argument.

00:05:07.000 Look behind you.

00:05:08.000 There's the slippery slope.

00:05:10.000 Now do me a favor to look in front of you.

00:05:11.000 That's a 200-foot drop covered in KY. I would not slide down that slide.

00:05:17.000 No.

00:05:18.000 No.

00:05:18.000 You don't know what's waiting for you at the bottom.

00:05:20.000 Take a guess. 0.85

00:05:21.000 AIDS! You're right! 1.00

00:05:23.000 Hit and run.

00:05:23.000 This happened again.

00:05:24.000 Another news story.

00:05:26.000 You don't read about this in the leftist websites, but hit and run DUI injured a six-year-old.

00:05:31.000 So here's the kicker.

00:05:31.000 The guy who committed the hit and run, he's already been deported 15 times as an illegal immigrant.

00:05:39.000 Come on.

00:05:40.000 This is not a joke.

00:05:41.000 It's not a surprise to any of us who've known about these problems with repeat offenders at the border.

00:05:45.000 And as a matter of fact, here's right now, for those who don't believe us, live footage of the American-Mexican border.

00:05:50.000 We need to build that wall.

00:05:57.000 Ha ha ha!

00:05:58.000 And not put a door.

00:06:00.000 No.

00:06:02.000 It almost seems as though it would cost more budget to put that door in there.

00:06:05.000 Take the door out of the plans.

00:06:05.000 Seems superfluous.

00:06:09.000 This is two stories right off the top, right away.

00:06:11.000 It's the victim culture creating actual victims. 0.95

00:06:13.000 Girls in high school, getting the crap beaten out of them, not being able to compete in sports. 0.98

00:06:17.000 And right here, we want to be kind to illegal immigrants, so what happens? 0.99

00:06:20.000 DUI. These people come over and they commit crimes in record numbers, and so you see real victims.

00:06:25.000 But it's not as politically expedient for the left today to care about the six-year-old with the hit-and-run.

00:06:30.000 Can't vote, so...

00:06:31.000 Speaking of the left, BuzzFeed Yellow changed their branding.

00:06:35.000 I guess, I don't know how long ago this happened.

00:06:36.000 Pretty recent.

00:06:37.000 BuzzFeed Yellow to Boldly.

00:06:39.000 Boldly.

00:06:40.000 They say it's the same content you know and love, just bolder.

00:06:44.000 And that's their content.

00:06:45.000 If you haven't been following BuzzFeed Yellow, they have 7 million subscribers on YouTube.

00:06:48.000 It's namely social justice women just trying out things that they've never done before. 1.00

00:06:52.000 Like a Kardashian diet.

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00:06:54.000 This one, the women of BuzzFeed wearing heels for the first time.

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00:07:00.000 Next up on suggestions of lists for Boldy's chicks to try not being a fat lesbian. 1.00

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00:07:10.000 Can that one be in the doc yet?

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00:07:14.000 The production value, they're just working on it.

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00:07:18.000 It's like putting Clint Howard in prosthetics.

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00:07:25.000 Why are you joking about me like that?

00:07:28.000 Betsy DeVos, this has been going on all week, so we'll talk about coming with Ben Shapiro because we talked about it yesterday.

00:07:33.000 For those who missed it, who weren't Mug Club members, go watch it. 0.99

00:07:36.000 I'd rather hear what Ben has to say.

00:07:37.000 I'm exhausted.

00:07:39.000 But Betsy DeVos, did you read about this earlier in the week?

00:07:42.000 There was outrage over her giving a commencement speech.

00:07:45.000 She was scheduled to, so students were protesting.

00:07:48.000 It was graduating seniors at, I don't know how we pronounce it, Bethune-Cookman University in Florida?

00:07:52.000 Something like that.

00:07:53.000 Anyways, the speech happened anyway with Betsy DeVos.

00:07:56.000 And this is how these members of higher learning reacted.

00:08:02.000 Let's roll this clip.

00:08:03.000 Great honor.

00:08:04.000 So as you can see, they want to make their voices heard.

00:08:10.000 And turning their back because that's how adults react.

00:08:19.000 I... Let it never be said that they were disrespectful.

00:08:27.000 How many times do you hear...

00:08:28.000 They just ruined their own graduation.

00:08:30.000 They ruined their own graduation.

00:08:31.000 And how many times do you...

00:08:32.000 I don't know if these people weren't officially Black Lives Matter, I don't think, so I don't want to misrepresent them, but obviously of that ilk, how many times have we heard Black Lives Matter talk about wanting to start a conversation?

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 Or a dialogue, right?

00:08:43.000 That's the end of the conversation right there.

00:08:45.000 There is no...

00:08:45.000 It's stopping a conversation.

00:08:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:47.000 And by the way, these kids are so ignorant. 1.00

00:08:50.000 Let's say Betsy DeVos is not qualified for the job. 1.00

00:08:52.000 She's not the most qualified person for the job. 1.00

00:08:54.000 Sure.

00:08:54.000 Okay, but let's get into her ideas.

00:08:57.000 Her ideas, I don't know.

00:08:58.000 These kids have no clue.

00:08:59.000 She advocates for school choice.

00:09:01.000 That's her biggest sin here? 1.00

00:09:04.000 And do you realize that these kids from urban areas, from more poor areas of the United States, they stand to benefit the most from school choice, from attaching the voucher directly to the student?

00:09:15.000 By the way, I'm still waiting.

00:09:16.000 We've had an open call out.

00:09:18.000 Anyone who wants to come on this show and make a compelling case against school choice...

00:09:23.000 I'm all ears.

00:09:23.000 Anyone?

00:09:24.000 At any point?

00:09:24.000 I've never heard it.

00:09:25.000 Any of you?

00:09:26.000 None.

00:09:26.000 Can any of you play devil's advocate?

00:09:28.000 I wouldn't know where to start.

00:09:29.000 Money for teachers unions.

00:09:31.000 Because they care about the kids.

00:09:32.000 That's not devil's advocate. 0.99

00:09:34.000 Oh crap. 0.99

00:09:35.000 You have to believe it. 1.00

00:09:36.000 That was my best argument.

00:09:37.000 You have to commit to it.

00:09:39.000 Speaking of college, along with college, another racist hoax at another college.

00:09:43.000 This was a racist letter that was written about.

00:09:46.000 It was in the news, allegedly including the N-word that was posted.

00:09:50.000 But just like Mattress Girl and poop swastikas and the Duke Lacrosse case, it turned out to be false.

00:09:56.000 This one was at St.

00:09:57.000 Olaf in Minnesota.

00:09:58.000 Now, the president of the school confirmed that the note was not a legitimate threat.

00:10:02.000 That's what he said.

00:10:02.000 And then when pressed on, well, what do you mean by it was not a legitimate threat?

00:10:06.000 The president said...

00:10:07.000 The reason I said in my earlier note that this was not a genuine threat is that we learned from the author's confession that the note was fabricated.

00:10:16.000 So in other words, the reason I said it wasn't...

00:10:17.000 Because it's not a real thing.

00:10:19.000 It never...

00:10:20.000 It's not a real...

00:10:21.000 It's a fake...

00:10:21.000 It's a lie.

00:10:22.000 And he says apparently it was a strategy to draw attention to concerns about the campus climate.

00:10:26.000 Again, the ends justify the means here.

00:10:28.000 Of course.

00:10:28.000 Because apparently the concern was to draw attention to fake incidents of racism on college.

00:10:35.000 Check...

00:10:36.000 I don't exactly know how this works, but here to clear it up for us, I guess, is our on-the-ground Black Lives Matter college correspondent, Desmond Black.

00:10:43.000 Desmond, tell us what's going on out there.

00:10:45.000 Make sense of it for us.

00:10:46.000 Yes.

00:10:47.000 Well, you have to understand that with this given situation, the ends justify the means because it served to draw awareness.

00:10:56.000 To the discrepancy in privilege in the systemic overt discrepancy between white and black students.

00:11:07.000 And it started a dialogue, too.

00:11:10.000 Okay, that's what we always started a dialogue?

00:11:12.000 Desmond, like this last time when you started a dialogue, we saw what happened in these cities like Baltimore, Ferguson.

00:11:17.000 The dialogue didn't work out so well.

00:11:20.000 Is this what you mean by starting a dialogue?

00:11:22.000 But that's an essay, though.

00:11:23.000 That's an essay?

00:11:25.000 What could you possibly be studying where this is accepted as a legitimate essay, Desmond?

00:11:29.000 My major is humanities.

00:11:32.000 Okay.

00:11:32.000 With a minor in burning cop cars.

00:11:34.000 Okay, well, see, that seems to me like your problem is with your minor.

00:11:39.000 Desmond, I certainly don't want to lump everybody in because we've had black guests on this show from the left and right who are able to make sound arguments, and I don't think that you represent all of Black Lives Matter, but it seems that you personally, Desmond, Are a piece of... 0.99

00:11:53.000 a little bit maybe a piece of s**t. 0.99

00:11:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:59.000 No.

00:12:00.000 Alright, Desmond, our Black Lives Matter correspondent.

00:12:03.000 You'll be seeing a lot of him.

00:12:05.000 Probably not in the future.

00:12:06.000 Probably not.

00:12:07.000 Before we get to our guests, here's a topic I wanted to get into.

00:12:10.000 You guys are mutes today?

00:12:12.000 Literally, you're sitting there with like zero...

00:12:13.000 I was giving the floor to our guest.

00:12:15.000 What guest?

00:12:16.000 The guy you had on the phone, man.

00:12:18.000 Before that!

00:12:19.000 Completely alone out here.

00:12:20.000 I've been talking a lot.

00:12:21.000 Now I feel like Robin watching his parents die in the trapeze act.

00:12:26.000 Talk about a victim mentality.

00:12:27.000 And then never working again, Chris O'Donnell.

00:12:30.000 Warner Brothers jokes.

00:12:31.000 So, here's something.

00:12:33.000 I got an email from a college student.

00:12:34.000 I've had this quite a bit.

00:12:35.000 They say, you know what?

00:12:36.000 I'm on college campus and our professors always talk about right-wing extremists.

00:12:39.000 They always talk about how conservatives are extreme and how, you know, some of them say they used to be conservative and the right-wing left them.

00:12:46.000 Particularly in the age of Trump, right-wingers are accused of being too extreme.

00:12:49.000 And they've said, can you help us make the case that that's not true?

00:12:52.000 I would actually argue the opposite.

00:12:54.000 And I want to lay out the case for you today that Everything from moderate left...

00:12:59.000 To the current Democratic Party, the DNC, they actually have a corner exclusively on the political extreme in the United States.

00:13:07.000 As a matter of fact, I don't think that the right wing is such a big tent now.

00:13:11.000 I don't think it's capable of being as extremist as the left.

00:13:15.000 Certainly, you can take maybe a 0.1% and attribute it, but I'm talking about as an actual platform.

00:13:20.000 So, what do you mean?

00:13:21.000 Okay, let me lay out a case for you, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

00:13:25.000 Let's take the big issues.

00:13:26.000 Abortion! 1.00

00:13:27.000 That's an issue, right?

00:13:28.000 The right-wing extremists.

00:13:28.000 By the way, right-wing extremists who've actually bombed abortion clinics when they bring that out, you could count on both hands how many times that's actually happened.

00:13:36.000 Single-digit numbers, okay?

00:13:38.000 But, okay, most conservatives are pro-life.

00:13:40.000 We'll give you that.

00:13:40.000 We believe life begins at conception.

00:13:41.000 But we're past that now.

00:13:43.000 Roe v.

00:13:44.000 Wade was passed.

00:13:44.000 So let's look to the super-extreme example of the Supreme Court, uh, well, not nominee anymore, but Judge Gorsuch.

00:13:51.000 Had you ever met President Trump personally?

00:13:55.000 Not until my interview.

00:13:57.000 In that interview, did he ever ask you to overrule Roe v.

00:14:01.000 Wade?

00:14:01.000 No, Senator.

00:14:02.000 What would he have done if he had asked?

00:14:05.000 Senator, I would have walked out the door.

00:14:08.000 He's about to bomb a clinic.

00:14:09.000 Here's the thing.

00:14:10.000 The main fight from the right is, at this point, we don't want to pay for somebody else's abortion, and we want to curb them at this point.

00:14:18.000 Certainly the most horrific of them.

00:14:19.000 Let's contrast that with the left, whose policy is taxpayer-funded abortion on demand, no questions asked, period.

00:14:26.000 Their recent presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, by the way, didn't specify, only in the first trimester, a couple weeks, she believes that the unborn in the United States, basically up until the head leaves the birth canal, have no constitutional rights, period.

00:14:40.000 I want to ask you about some comments that you made over the weekend on Meet the Press regarding abortion.

00:14:44.000 You said...

00:14:44.000 Quote, the unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights.

00:14:48.000 And my question is, at what point does someone have constitutional rights?

00:14:52.000 And are you saying that a child on its due date, just hours before delivery, still has no constitutional rights?

00:14:58.000 Under our law, that is the case.

00:15:03.000 I'm an extremist because I think that that's bone-chillingly scary.

00:15:07.000 Let's move on to economics.

00:15:08.000 Taxes.

00:15:09.000 Okay.

00:15:09.000 We're the extremists, right?

00:15:10.000 This is what the media says.

00:15:11.000 They've moved so far right economically.

00:15:16.000 This wouldn't be a party for Reagan. 0.96

00:15:17.000 It's almost like they want to flourish.

00:15:21.000 Let's talk economics.

00:15:22.000 Let's talk taxes.

00:15:23.000 Okay.

00:15:24.000 On the right, many of us, myself included, want a flat tax.

00:15:27.000 Some people don't see that as extreme.

00:15:28.000 I certainly don't.

00:15:29.000 If you make $100,000, you pay $10,000.

00:15:30.000 If you make a million dollars, you pay $100,000.

00:15:32.000 That seems fair to me.

00:15:33.000 But let's take that off the table.

00:15:35.000 Okay, let's take the flat tax, the income tax off the table.

00:15:37.000 Let's see if we can find a middle ground.

00:15:39.000 On the right, the extremists that we are, we see that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the entire industrialized world.

00:15:47.000 And we don't want to lower it to the lowest rate.

00:15:49.000 We just want to lower it to a rate that's competitive with your oh-so-beloved socialist European counterparts.

00:15:55.000 Who are doing well, by the way.

00:15:56.000 Just fantastic.

00:15:58.000 Things are golden.

00:15:59.000 It's extreme to want to lower the highest corporate tax rate to a middle level?

00:16:04.000 More extreme than Bernie Sanders being okay with a 90% income tax?

00:16:08.000 Radical socialist Dwight D. Eisenhower was president.

00:16:11.000 I think the highest marginal tax rate was something like 90%.

00:16:14.000 It was 90%.

00:16:15.000 When you think about 90%, you don't think that's obviously too high?

00:16:19.000 No.

00:16:24.000 Again, this is just a room full of extremists who are being flagged on the terror watch list.

00:16:29.000 We want you to keep more of your money. 1.00

00:16:30.000 We're jerks. 0.99

00:16:31.000 They're saying Bernie Sanders is extreme, right? 0.99

00:16:33.000 Because he's never been mainstream.

00:16:34.000 Okay, is it more extreme to want to lower the corporate tax rate or allow people to keep more of what they've earned than Hillary Clinton wanting to raise the estate tax, the death tax, to 65%? 1.00

00:16:45.000 Which, by the way, is a tax on tax!

00:16:49.000 It's more extreme to believe that you should be able to keep more of what you earn.

00:16:54.000 It's more extreme for people like us, the extreme right-wingers, to believe that we should be competitive with the rest of the industrialized world with our corporate tax rates than it is to want to tax somebody more than half on an already tax!

00:17:10.000 Let's move on to race relations. 0.69

00:17:13.000 Conservatives are racist, right?

00:17:14.000 When it comes to race, it's just you're still out of touch.

00:17:14.000 This is the argument.

00:17:16.000 You can't check your privilege.

00:17:18.000 Okay, well, let's get into that.

00:17:20.000 On the right, the extreme view that we have is we want to do away with affirmative action.

00:17:23.000 That's the most extremist view we have.

00:17:25.000 That's what they'll flag us for.

00:17:26.000 Yep.

00:17:27.000 We want to judge people based on the content of the character, as it were.

00:17:31.000 I believe somebody uttered that, too.

00:17:32.000 It was probably a member of the Klan fashion. 0.62

00:17:34.000 Extreme?

00:17:35.000 Probably a white guy.

00:17:36.000 Let's take that and contrast that with quotas.

00:17:38.000 Segregated graduation in safe spaces, as you see in libraries and Harvard at their graduation now.

00:17:43.000 And even the DNC going as far as supporting a borderline terrorist group in Black Lives Matter.

00:17:50.000 So it's not extreme to support a group Black Lives Matter, who have been the root cause of many a cop car burning. 1.00

00:17:58.000 But it is extreme for us to say, hey, maybe you shouldn't support those people who are burning the cop cars.

00:18:03.000 Right?

00:18:05.000 We want to open a dialogue!

00:18:07.000 Well, do you want to open the carburetor?

00:18:09.000 It's on fire.

00:18:12.000 Climate change.

00:18:12.000 This is the one where we're accused of being extreme all the time.

00:18:15.000 Again, this is for kids who are in college when they talk about right-wing extremists.

00:18:18.000 Let's check all the boxes and you can send me your tweets at S. Crowder.

00:18:21.000 Most of us on the right, I think most people in this room accept the concept of climate change.

00:18:26.000 I think most of us, if you look at the polls, accept that humans might be a contributing, significant contributing factor.

00:18:32.000 Now, we're called extremists or science deniers simply if we don't believe that it's an imminent catastrophe that only the federal government can fix, the same people who run your post office.

00:18:46.000 We're extreme science deniers if we say, you know what, climate change might be happening, humans might be contributing, but I don't think the EPA can fix it.

00:18:54.000 Well, let's contrast that with the left, who, they believe in carbon taxes, putting entire industries out of work, proposing the punishment Of climate skeptics, says Bernie Sanders and non-scientist guy-in-chief Bill Nye.

00:19:06.000 Don't we have his quote from Bernie Sanders?

00:19:08.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 Along with supporting binding resolutions, including things like population control taken from the one-child policy of China.

00:19:16.000 It's extreme for us.

00:19:17.000 I don't think the federal government can solve the problem of SUVs and cow farts, but it's not extreme to be right in line with the policy that led to babies being drowned in Chinese bathtubs. 0.96

00:19:33.000 I just, again, I know I'm probably out of touch.

00:19:35.000 I don't see the extremism on the right.

00:19:38.000 Guns.

00:19:38.000 This is the one, of course, right?

00:19:39.000 Gun-toting-ground acts.

00:19:40.000 Clinging to your guns and religion. 0.84

00:19:41.000 Let's talk about this.

00:19:42.000 Guns.

00:19:42.000 Okay.

00:19:42.000 You're an extremist if you believe that the Second Amendment applies to all law-abiding citizens.

00:19:47.000 If you believe that the Second Amendment is self-explanatory, it applies to all law-abiding citizens, the left considers you an extremist.

00:19:52.000 Let's contrast that with the official dissenting views.

00:19:56.000 In the landmark Heller v.

00:19:57.000 D.C. case, where liberals like Justice Stevens argued that actually private citizens have no right to own a firearm whatsoever, even if the purposes are lawful.

00:20:07.000 Oh, good Lord.

00:20:08.000 It's extreme for us to say the Second Amendment allows private citizens to have firearms, but it's not extreme for Justice Stevens to have actually said that there is no common law right to self-defense.

00:20:19.000 It's extreme for me to want to carry, if I'm not a criminal, we all support background checks.

00:20:23.000 If you're a felon, if you're a violent criminal, you don't get a gun.

00:20:26.000 That's an extreme point of view, not to say you don't have the right to protect your family.

00:20:32.000 This isn't even getting the issue of the open borders from the left, the idea that no people are illegal, which of course is apparently far more moderate than the extreme view of believing that people should come here legally and respect the processes in place, like my mother who's a legal immigrant and pays taxes as a self-respecting American citizen. 0.97

00:20:47.000 Sucker! 1.00

00:20:48.000 Sucker! 1.00

00:20:50.000 The one that's most important to me, because this is the one that's easy, they talk about social justice warriors, but they don't really understand the root cause of it. 0.96

00:20:56.000 Again, it's all a part of the prism of leftism.

00:20:59.000 Freedom of speech. 0.99

00:21:00.000 Here's why you hate fat, land-willed, blue-haired feminists, okay? 1.00

00:21:04.000 Why am I an extremist? 0.99

00:21:06.000 Why is everyone here considered an extremist?

00:21:09.000 What is required to be considered a free speech extremist to the left?

00:21:13.000 Okay, it's simple.

00:21:14.000 Do you believe that the freedom of speech is absolute?

00:21:19.000 Period.

00:21:20.000 Do you believe that non-violent, even offensive speech is absolute?

00:21:23.000 Anyone in this room?

00:21:24.000 Yeah.

00:21:25.000 And do you believe that's protected by the First Amendment?

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 According to today's left, you're an extremist.

00:21:29.000 Fantastic!

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 It's more extreme to believe that freedom of speech, even offensive speech, is absolute than it is for 51% of current Democrats to want to ban speech.

00:21:39.000 And many of them even wanted to go as far as simply banning any anti-Muslim bigotry speech.

00:21:45.000 Oh, Lord.

00:21:45.000 And here's the crazy thing, right?

00:21:46.000 I'm an extremist because...

00:21:47.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:21:48.000 Let's ask the questions.

00:21:49.000 Who determines what hate speech is?

00:21:51.000 Exactly.

00:21:51.000 Who decides what extreme speech is expectable?

00:21:53.000 And here's something.

00:21:54.000 Isn't it funny that we're deemed extremists by the people who conveniently...

00:21:58.000 Isn't it convenient for them, to the big government left, that those answers consistently and exclusively lie with those in positions of political power?

00:22:07.000 Because they can't be extremists.

00:22:09.000 Only people like you and I. It's not possible.

00:22:11.000 Maybe that's why the official platform of the left.

00:22:13.000 All of this leads to, when we're talking about free speech, which is, which I, it's the First Amendment.

00:22:18.000 How important is it?

00:22:19.000 It's amendment number one.

00:22:20.000 Number one.

00:22:20.000 They asked me on Sky News one time, why do you think that, why do you believe that the Second Amendment is as important as your right, like, freedom of speech or something?

00:22:28.000 Because it's literally right up there with the freedom of speech.

00:22:31.000 You don't even have to count!

00:22:33.000 If you're on an iPhone, you don't even have to scroll!

00:22:35.000 One, two, stop! 1.00

00:22:37.000 They died at like 20 years old back then when we were writing this stuff, so they knew they were going to prioritize writing the most important ones first, because death could come at any moment.

00:22:44.000 Number one, freedom of speech, right? 0.89

00:22:47.000 Okay, number two, shoot that guy that said something wrong. 1.00

00:22:50.000 Number two, black powder and lead balls. 1.00

00:22:53.000 Let's make sure this is right.

00:22:54.000 For how many people?

00:22:55.000 If I get to nothing else!

00:22:57.000 If the guy's packing on the other side of you, you probably control your mouth a little bit.

00:23:00.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 And this is why we're seen as extremists for believing this, and maybe this is why all of the things that we've outlined are so considered extreme.

00:23:07.000 This is why the official platform of the left makes it incapable for their members to answer very simple questions on the First Amendment.

00:23:17.000 Let's see.

00:23:17.000 This is a long clip, I warn you, but it's important.

00:23:22.000 We'll never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion.

00:23:29.000 Sir, I want to, as I said before, you referenced as context for your question.

00:23:34.000 Well, there's no context on this question.

00:23:36.000 I'm just asking you.

00:23:38.000 All right, let me ask a new question.

00:23:40.000 Will you tell us here today that this administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?

00:23:51.000 That seems straightforward again.

00:23:52.000 That's not a hard question, Mr.

00:23:54.000 President.

00:23:57.000 It's really not that difficult.

00:23:58.000 It's not a trick.

00:24:00.000 We don't need a number two pencil on a Scantron.

00:24:04.000 We'll never entertain or advance a proposal to criminalize speech against any religion.

00:24:12.000 Again, sir, if you have a proposal that you are considering...

00:24:17.000 This is Perez, right?

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 Okay, here's my proposal.

00:24:22.000 I'm asking you to answer a question.

00:24:24.000 That's my proposal.

00:24:25.000 Put it in your language.

00:24:26.000 I'm proposing that you answer this question.

00:24:27.000 Will you tell us here today that this administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?

00:24:38.000 Again, sir, if you give us the time...

00:24:42.000 I will not yield, but I will let the gentleman...

00:24:46.000 I will not yield.

00:24:48.000 I've been looking for a way to fit that clip in for a long time.

00:24:51.000 So, okay.

00:24:52.000 For those who weren't clear on the question, let me crystallize it for you.

00:24:57.000 For the left to believe that you are an extremist, all that is required is someone like that to ask you the question.

00:25:02.000 Hold on a second.

00:25:03.000 Do you promise that you will not sign any bill or support any bill that criminalizes any speech of any kind?

00:25:11.000 If you were elected a representative and you were able to answer that question...

00:25:16.000 Yes.

00:25:17.000 I promise I will not ban speech of any kind.

00:25:20.000 You're an extremist.

00:25:21.000 We'll be back with Alex Epstein, author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fields.

00:25:25.000 Extremist!

00:25:26.000 I won't let bury your heart.

00:25:28.000 I'll see you on the next one. 1.00

00:25:30.000 I'll die. 0.99

00:25:31.000 Get ready. 0.96

00:25:32.000 Got the background.

00:25:33.000 Hey.

00:25:33.000 We came off.

00:25:34.000 Let me tell you the truth about YouTube's guidelines.

00:25:53.000 From the words of YouTube's old owners at Google, content that is not advertiser-friendly and thus not YouTube-friendly includes but is not limited to sexually suggestive content,

00:26:13.000 violence, harassment, promotion of drug use, and finally, Controversial subjects, including subjects related to war, political conflicts, natural disasters, and tragedies.

00:26:31.000 Even if graphic imagery is not shown.

00:26:35.000 And do you accept these YouTube guidelines?

00:26:39.000 Do you accept these guidelines of all the rich, leftists, of all the corrupt?

00:26:48.000 We, active members of Muck Hub, will take YouTube from the corrupt, the rich social justice warriors who have kicked you down with these myths of safe spaces.

00:27:03.000 And we give it back to you, the users.

00:27:10.000 Muck Hub is yours.

00:27:13.000 None shall censor you.

00:27:14.000 Do as you can.

00:27:16.000 Let's start.

00:27:17.000 By joining for 99 annual is 69 for students to ensure continued content and the storming of YouTube.

00:27:27.000 Step forward, those who will join.

00:27:30.000 For the Bug Club army will be raised. 0.99

00:27:33.000 The powerful will be ripped from their digital safe spaces and cast out into the growing free speech world that we know and endure.

00:27:45.000 Videos will continue to be uploaded.

00:27:48.000 Direct monetization through sponsorships will be enjoyed.

00:27:53.000 Channel will be told.

00:27:57.000 The YouTube moderators will survive as they learn to save true freedom of speech.

00:28:05.000 This, this great mug club, it will endure.

00:28:11.000 through its membership, the YouTube channel will be allowed to survive.

00:28:18.000 All right.

00:28:48.000 That's the first time for people who are hearing it on YouTube.

00:28:51.000 Glad to have our next guest on.

00:28:52.000 So he was actually...

00:28:53.000 Here's the truth.

00:28:55.000 We were going to have him booked a while back, and then something happened.

00:28:58.000 We are horrible people, and we bumped him, and then we just didn't get back in touch until Patrick Moore, in his interview...

00:29:04.000 That's right.

00:29:04.000 You brought a memory trigger.

00:29:05.000 We said, well, you know what?

00:29:06.000 Alex Epstein, actually, who wrote The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, was supposed to have a debate regarding climate change, regarding fossil fuels, and the person backed out.

00:29:14.000 So now I've kind of ruined it, but I've ruined the crescendo.

00:29:17.000 But Alex Epstein, author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, thanks for being here, brother.

00:29:21.000 Hey, good to be here.

00:29:22.000 So what was that Patrick Moore was telling us about?

00:29:24.000 You had a debate scheduled, and then the guy just didn't show up?

00:29:27.000 Fill us in there.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, so I've done a lot of debates over the years.

00:29:31.000 In 2011, I challenged Greenpeace to a debate, and we actually found someone to debate me.

00:29:36.000 But over the years, and particularly since the book The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels came out, Which is pretty effective, I would say, arrogantly.

00:29:44.000 It's been really hard to find people.

00:29:46.000 And we managed to find this guy, Terry Tamanen, who runs the Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation.

00:29:52.000 And a big event offered me the opportunity to debate him.

00:29:55.000 And the sole reason I did it is because of the prominence of Leonardo DiCaprio.

00:30:00.000 And then I prepare for it.

00:30:01.000 And then a week in advance, I hear that with no explanation, this guy pulls out.

00:30:06.000 He cited, quote, urgent business, unquote.

00:30:09.000 Maybe you had to go to the bathroom. 0.74

00:30:10.000 Did they give you anything else after that?

00:30:12.000 No, and he wasn't even man enough to come to me himself, which I would obviously do.

00:30:17.000 The only reason I would pull out would be the plague or a new case of polio or something like that.

00:30:23.000 I got a replacement who was the former governor of Colorado, Bill Ritter, but it just wasn't the same thing.

00:30:31.000 On top of that, the moderator completely broke the rules to give the other guy way more time to talk, and it was 24 minutes.

00:30:38.000 So it was pretty much a fiasco, but really...

00:30:41.000 So we go from arrogant to very humble.

00:30:43.000 We appreciate it.

00:30:45.000 Well, I'm not saying I'm the sole cause of this.

00:30:50.000 You know, if you want to search Alex Epstein Debate on YouTube, you can see some of these debates and you can maybe see why these guys don't want to debate.

00:30:57.000 Well, sure.

00:30:57.000 Let me ask you.

00:30:58.000 So what kind of things do you debate?

00:30:59.000 Obviously, it's somewhat self-explanatory in your book title, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.

00:31:04.000 But lay that out for people watching who maybe don't know.

00:31:07.000 We've talked about that on the show quite a bit, having been to the climate summits myself and actually gone out of the nice resorts where they spend time.

00:31:13.000 But you're the expert, Alex.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, I think it is really important to decide what topic to debate, because I think even in the lead-up you mentioned something about climate change.

00:31:23.000 And I think climate change is a very vague term, first of all, but it's the wrong thing to debate, because climate change, the actual issue there is CO2 emissions.

00:31:34.000 Does increasing CO2 levels cause some serious problem?

00:31:39.000 benefits of fossil fuels.

00:31:40.000 So you're dealing with a situation where you have fossil fuels and you have benefits and you have concerns.

00:31:45.000 And whenever you have such a situation, the real issue is overall, is this a good thing or not?

00:31:50.000 It would be just like vaccines.

00:31:51.000 You look at the benefits and you look at the concerns and you try to do so objectively so that you can advance human flourishing as much as possible.

00:31:59.000 Real quick, let me stab you there. 1.00

00:32:00.000 That's It's a sliding scale, but it's interesting that you say that because, you know, we did go from global warming to climate change.

00:32:04.000 Anytime there is a change, it is important to note on the timeline, it becomes more generalized, as you've said, which makes it less and less possible to debate.

00:32:13.000 So I just think people should note that and be aware of the next iteration of it, but continue.

00:32:17.000 And in general, just notice when things are precisely defined or not.

00:32:24.000 And also whether people are careful about the magnitude, whether they differentiate between mild and catastrophic.

00:32:30.000 So the analogy I like to use is vaccines.

00:32:32.000 Imagine somebody says to you, well, Stephen...

00:32:36.000 You're in favor of vaccines, let's say you are.

00:32:38.000 You must be a vaccine side effect denier, right?

00:32:41.000 Because vaccines have side effects.

00:32:43.000 So how could you be in favor of them?

00:32:44.000 And you might say, well, I think they have these unique benefits that you can't get from anything else, and I think those outweigh the side effects.

00:32:50.000 Well, it's exactly the same with fossil fuels, right?

00:32:52.000 I assess that the benefits far, far outweigh the side effects.

00:32:56.000 And I precisely look at both, whereas the opposition, they only look at the negatives, and they dramatically exaggerate them, so they have this narrative of, oh, if fossil fuels impact climate at all, that must be a catastrophe, and there's no benefit to offset it. 0.97

00:33:10.000 So it's just garbage thinking.

00:33:12.000 Well, you assess both the positives and negatives, and then on the positive sides, from what I've read, you assess not only the moral sort of quandary that they try to present, but also the economic, you know, sort of the technological development. 0.98

00:33:23.000 I mean, there are a lot of things to unpack there, where it's not just, hey, this is good or bad for the environment.

00:33:29.000 Like you said, do we know definitively how good or how bad what the ramifications are, and how does that sort of coincide with what people in third-world countries need to advance, to be able to live, to feed themselves?

00:33:41.000 And again, this just comes from someone who's a generalized climate denier.

00:33:45.000 And by that, I mean, I don't think the EPA can fix man-made climate change if Florida won't be around in two years.

00:33:52.000 That's really all I think.

00:33:55.000 It's interesting when we talk about this issue of the moral case, why use that term?

00:34:00.000 And the reason I'm using moral is because it's the overarching concept that includes things like economic and environment.

00:34:07.000 And the key for me is how I define moral versus how my opponents define moral.

00:34:13.000 Because my standard of morality is what advances human flourishing.

00:34:17.000 And their standard of morality is what minimizes human impact.

00:34:21.000 And if you really want to minimize human impact, we shouldn't have cities, we shouldn't have kids, and we should praise North Korea as a better country than South Korea. 0.97

00:34:29.000 Yes, we should just have no humans.

00:34:30.000 I was at the Cancun Climate Summit when I remember Ted Turner got up and proposed effectively China's one-child policy.

00:34:36.000 We just talked about that.

00:34:37.000 And no one around at the Climate Summit was like, oh my god, this is horrible.

00:34:41.000 He's talking about the policy that led to girls being drowned in bathtubs.

00:34:44.000 Everyone just said, yeah, one child, let's curb the overpopulation. 0.96

00:34:47.000 I mean, talk about immoral.

00:34:49.000 I feel like I'm in Blade Runner.

00:34:52.000 That's hilarious to me only because when I was a freshman at Duke University, I almost got kicked out of the school because a lecturer came in and started talking about the virtue of China's policies in dehumanizing the planet and everyone else was nodding.

00:35:04.000 And I somehow ended up giving a speech of my own and the guy left the room and I was told that...

00:35:09.000 That I shouldn't go to Duke anymore if I was going to do this again.

00:35:12.000 Yes, exactly. 0.99

00:35:12.000 Don't you go to Duke or we'll make up a fake rape story out of you, young Epstein. 0.99

00:35:16.000 Yeah, it was remarkable, the Cancun Climate Summit. 0.94

00:35:19.000 The whole message was...

00:35:20.000 It's not that any of us don't care about the environment.

00:35:23.000 You know we want to pick stuff up.

00:35:24.000 I hate it when I see people littering.

00:35:26.000 It's that...

00:35:27.000 We want to see people live. 0.98

00:35:30.000 I would kill a thousand monkeys if it meant saving one human. 0.96

00:35:33.000 I know it sounds terrible. 0.99

00:35:34.000 It doesn't sound nice.

00:35:35.000 But does this enter the equation with your opposition?

00:35:40.000 Or do they just say, well, listen, Alex, you also have a moral obligation to, if this does impact the environment, to try and bring us to alternative sources of energy.

00:35:51.000 And I know I've heard that argument from them.

00:35:53.000 What do you say to them?

00:35:54.000 And is there some truth there?

00:35:56.000 Well, I think the first question you raise has to do with what's the relationship between environment and human well-being.

00:36:02.000 And for me, it's a subordinate relationship, which means I want a good environment to advance human flourishing.

00:36:08.000 So I judge environmental impacts as positive or negative based on their impact on humans.

00:36:13.000 So I generally want to minimize pollution, but I'm very pro-development.

00:36:17.000 Versus the other side, what they want to do is just minimize human impact.

00:36:22.000 And by they, I mean really anyone who holds this idea in any form of minimizing human impact.

00:36:27.000 And if you're optimizing for minimizing human impact, you are going to dehumanize the planet.

00:36:32.000 You're going to take away resources people need to live.

00:36:34.000 You're going to take away their power.

00:36:36.000 You're going to take away their freedom.

00:36:37.000 And that's the direction that we're going.

00:36:39.000 So if we have a pro-human goal, then we will care about our environment.

00:36:44.000 If we have an anti-impact goal, It's a very good point.

00:36:51.000 It almost becomes just a reiteration of Gaia.

00:36:53.000 You know, it's basically Mother Earth worship at this point.

00:36:55.000 When I say Gaia, people say, you mean like that message board that used to have all the anime porn?

00:36:59.000 I'm like, no, the internet ruins everything.

00:37:01.000 But how do you balance this?

00:37:03.000 So kind of for people who are listening right now, who were raised in the generation of climate change, global warming slash climate change exists, it's manmade, it's catastrophic, we need to fix this.

00:37:13.000 What is the moral case moving forward?

00:37:15.000 What's the balancing act there?

00:37:17.000 I know right now we're dependent on fossil fuels.

00:37:19.000 If Alex Epstein could get the world to listen to him right now, what do we do?

00:37:24.000 I'd say two things.

00:37:26.000 One is carefully measure positives and negatives and two is freedom.

00:37:31.000 So carefully measure positives and negatives means if you're talking about the climate impact of CO2 emissions, You want to assess what, if anything, do those CO2 emissions do to the livability of the climate.

00:37:43.000 That's the key idea.

00:37:44.000 If we care about humans, it's about the livability.

00:37:47.000 It's not about change.

00:37:48.000 It's not about warming.

00:37:49.000 Those are derivative ideas.

00:37:51.000 The key is livability.

00:37:52.000 And if you measure this, the livability of the climate since major fossil fuel use began 80 years ago around the world, has increased by a factor of 50.

00:38:01.000 So you are 1 50th as likely to die from extreme heat, extreme cold, flood, drought, as you were 80 years ago.

00:38:09.000 Now how can this be possible?

00:38:11.000 It's because there is no Gaia.

00:38:13.000 Nature doesn't give us a safe climate that we make dangerous.

00:38:16.000 It gives us a really dangerous climate that we need to make safe.

00:38:20.000 And technology, industry, all powered by fossil fuels, that's made us almost climate-proof And so the real solution to quote-unquote climate change, which should be climate danger, is technology.

00:38:31.000 And guess what?

00:38:32.000 Climate is a problem we've mostly solved.

00:38:34.000 Today, 10,000 to 30,000 people a year die globally from climate danger.

00:38:39.000 It used to be 3 million to 10 million in a year.

00:38:44.000 How do you measure that?

00:38:46.000 It's pretty straightforward.

00:38:47.000 You just aggregate.

00:38:48.000 You take a bunch of categories.

00:38:50.000 You take heat-related deaths from extreme heat, cold.

00:38:53.000 It's much easier to do now than it was in the past.

00:38:56.000 So in the past, they tend to under-report it.

00:38:58.000 But even then, you have years in the 30s where, adjusted for population, there were 10 million climate-related deaths a year globally.

00:39:05.000 By today's population today, again, 10,000 to 30,000.

00:39:08.000 Climate is a naturally caused problem that requires human technology as a solution.

00:39:13.000 The people who are afraid of climate are either disingenuous or they have a primitive pre-technology mindset that tells us that we need to repent for our climate sins instead of conquering nature with technology.

00:39:25.000 Who wants to get in that confessional booth?

00:39:27.000 It's just Al Gore, Bearfoot.

00:39:28.000 Look through the slots.

00:39:30.000 What were you saying?

00:39:31.000 The slots said so.

00:39:31.000 Think about the blizzard you talk about in Montreal.

00:39:34.000 Think about how many people probably, back then, if they had generators.

00:39:37.000 The power of their homes, the elderly people keep their breathing machines. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Oh yeah, people died during the ice storm.

00:39:42.000 Think about all the situations where technology and basic innovation is.

00:39:47.000 We have to get going, but it's funny that you bring that up because, first off, he's a Jeff Goldblum.

00:39:52.000 Life finds a way.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 I think he's right.

00:39:55.000 But, you know, as simple as when I was a kid, we had them come in with their Sesame Street classes and never let the water run because we're losing fresh water.

00:40:02.000 And this was me as a child.

00:40:03.000 Now, I'm not saying that everything I asked was correct.

00:40:06.000 But looking back, it's the mindset that you're pretty much expressing.

00:40:10.000 I remember saying, well, hold on a second.

00:40:11.000 Didn't we just learn that the Earth is 70% water?

00:40:13.000 They said, yes, but that's not all fresh water.

00:40:15.000 I said, okay.

00:40:16.000 So it's not – they said, yeah, we're losing fresh water.

00:40:18.000 I said, okay, but – Do we have some way to desalt the ocean?

00:40:23.000 Well, yeah, desalinization.

00:40:24.000 We do, but it's very expensive and it's very difficult to do.

00:40:27.000 I said, okay, but won't that just get better and cheaper?

00:40:31.000 This is me at seven.

00:40:32.000 And they're all, well, never let the water run.

00:40:35.000 They flip the switch.

00:40:36.000 Never let the water run, run with the mascots.

00:40:39.000 And I was just supposed to stop asking questions.

00:40:40.000 And again, it comes down to technology.

00:40:43.000 As a kid, I thought, well, it's going to get better.

00:40:45.000 They told me to shut up.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, I mean, look at how good that philosophy is and how rare it is to just have a pro-human, pro-technology philosophy.

00:40:54.000 The so-called pro-technology environmentalists, their core solution is to withdraw technology, to withdraw consumption, to withdraw prosperity, versus the mentality of, hey, let's use new technology to make things better all the time.

00:41:08.000 So as Joe Rogan put it, you know, we don't have a water problem, we have a salt problem, and we need a technological solution.

00:41:15.000 Yeah.

00:41:16.000 Anti-technology, or they are pro-spending technology, spending resources in ways that are...

00:41:22.000 Well, like Germany.

00:41:23.000 Sven Computer, one of our interns, he's talking in Germany, right?

00:41:26.000 You know, obviously, they had to sell some of their energy at a negative rate when they had a surplus of solar and wind, and then they'd be at a deficit.

00:41:32.000 Those aren't real...

00:41:33.000 So, a technology that's subsidized for ideological reasons is an insult to technology.

00:41:39.000 Technology is that which consumers will buy because it's more advanced when they're on the free market.

00:41:44.000 That's a good point.

00:41:45.000 Otherwise, if the government were subsidizing phones, this would be my iPhone.

00:41:48.000 Hello?

00:41:49.000 Can you hear me now?

00:41:50.000 I don't know.

00:41:50.000 Switch to Sprint.

00:41:51.000 The guy's going to marry a dude. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Did you know he's gay, the Verizon guy? 0.98

00:41:53.000 Now he marries a guy. 0.95

00:41:54.000 He does Sprint.

00:41:55.000 Talk about a brilliant ad campaign.

00:41:56.000 Okay, Alex Epstein, the author of the book, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.

00:42:02.000 People can buy that on Amazon, right?

00:42:04.000 Yeah, and to get everything, just go to industrialprogress.com.

00:42:08.000 Industrialprogress.com, the moral case for fossil fuels.

00:42:10.000 It's very compelling.

00:42:11.000 Alex, brother, we'll have to have you back, but I think, do we have Ben Shapiro coming up?

00:42:14.000 Ben Shapiro coming up.

00:42:15.000 Ben Shapiro coming up.

00:42:15.000 We gotta go!

00:42:16.000 We gotta go!

00:42:16.000 We'll have you back!

00:42:17.000 All right.

00:42:18.000 Bye guys.

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00:43:27.000 I like that show.

00:43:27.000 You couldn't afford the $5.85 a month.

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00:43:50.000 I wish I could do that.

00:44:15.000 I wish I could go back and forth.

00:44:16.000 There was a villain in Marvel called Mojo who could just move like this.

00:44:20.000 Imagine you could cut off the boxing ring that way.

00:44:22.000 You could.

00:44:23.000 I don't know.

00:44:24.000 Speaking of intellectual boxing capacity, I don't know.

00:44:26.000 I'm trying to think of a transition.

00:44:27.000 I love this guest.

00:44:28.000 We have him on all the time.

00:44:30.000 And you know him, Daily Wire, obviously.

00:44:32.000 He has his podcasts.

00:44:32.000 They're wildly popular.

00:44:33.000 But self-titled The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:44:36.000 At Ben Shapiro.

00:44:37.000 Thank you for being with us, sir.

00:44:38.000 Absolutely.

00:44:39.000 How are you doing, Stephen L. Crowder?

00:44:42.000 Where's L. Crowder from?

00:44:43.000 Oh, I see.

00:44:44.000 Because louder with Crowder.

00:44:45.000 No, no, no, you got it wrong.

00:44:47.000 It remains a mystery, my middle name.

00:44:48.000 Don't spill the beans.

00:44:49.000 Not K. Jared.

00:44:51.000 Stop it.

00:44:52.000 It gives us a guy who didn't know who Johnny Mathis was.

00:44:54.000 We were just talking about this with Jared during the break.

00:44:55.000 How do you not know who Johnny Mathis is?

00:44:56.000 Okay, Ben, it's been a long week.

00:44:58.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:44:58.000 I'm getting like tinnitus and vertigo.

00:45:01.000 So our opinion on Comey yesterday, and we're like, we know this isn't going to get a ton of clicks, was just, I think everybody is an insufferable asshole. 1.00

00:45:11.000 That's all. 0.99

00:45:12.000 I mean, as you know, that is my general take on the universe, so I will not argue with a single word of that.

00:45:17.000 I think that that is basically correct.

00:45:20.000 I feel like I have aged 73 years in the three and a half months since Trump took the presidency, so I am now 1,000 years old because Obama also aged me dramatically.

00:45:31.000 I'm like one of those before-after pictures.

00:45:33.000 They always show the president before and after his presidency.

00:45:36.000 But that's me just covering these people.

00:45:38.000 It's like the Muppet in Dark Crystal after the Force takes out their life.

00:45:44.000 It's the very end of Indiana Johnson's Last Crusade.

00:45:48.000 It's become that now.

00:45:50.000 It hasn't even been 48 hours since he fired Comey.

00:45:55.000 You understand that?

00:45:57.000 Barely.

00:45:57.000 How is that possible?

00:45:59.000 Time is moving backwards now.

00:46:01.000 We're now living in the alternative timeline where Biff actually married Marty's mother.

00:46:05.000 Something happened here.

00:46:06.000 We hit 88 miles per hour, and time has ceased to exist.

00:46:10.000 It's all over.

00:46:11.000 Okay, so, which a-hole do you want to talk about? 0.93

00:46:15.000 Basically, you're right.

00:46:16.000 Everyone's an a-hole. 0.89

00:46:16.000 So we're going to talk about Comey being an a-hole, or Trump being an a-hole, or Sarah Huckabee Sanders being an a-hole, or Chuck Schumer being an a-hole. 0.89

00:46:21.000 So you pick the a-hole, and then we'll decide which one of them to discuss. 1.00

00:46:25.000 Also heard very commonly at truck stops across the country.

00:46:27.000 So here is something that I feel with these.

00:46:31.000 The internet exists, and we can see that no one has been consistent.

00:46:34.000 My odd sort of confliction with Comey is I've always kind of felt bad for him in the sense that he can't please everyone.

00:46:41.000 I feel empathy, but at the same time, I kind of hate him.

00:46:45.000 I've never felt that way about anyone before.

00:46:48.000 Okay, so we'll start with James A. Comey, the A is for AFL. This is the new middle name.

00:46:52.000 So, Comey, I said last July that he should be fired because that ridiculous press conference over Hillary Clinton, he rewrote the law. 0.89

00:46:58.000 It was clearly BS. He should have been fired then.

00:47:01.000 If Obama had fired him, it would have been for different reasons than I would want to fire him.

00:47:04.000 And this is where I have a little bit of sympathy for the Democrats because Comey is terrible at his job.

00:47:10.000 And the Democrats are recognizing that he's terrible at his job, but he's terrible at his job for a different reason than Trump thinks he's terrible at his job.

00:47:16.000 You can say that somebody should be fired and then also say, well, it's really weird the reason why you just fired that guy.

00:47:23.000 We know lots of people in our industry who we think should be fired, but if they got fired for something that was totally irrelevant or weird, we'd be like, that's weird.

00:47:31.000 Why would you fire them for that reason?

00:47:33.000 I don't mean to let Democrats off the hook for their hypocrisy here.

00:47:36.000 A lot of them said he should have been fired back in November after the October 28th letter.

00:47:41.000 I said last week he should be fired.

00:47:42.000 I said six days ago, eight days ago now, that he should have been fired after...

00:47:45.000 Apparently Ben Shapiro moved to Silver Lake and he listens to vinyl now.

00:47:49.000 He's a hipster.

00:47:49.000 I hated it before it was cool.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, I wanted to buy it way before everyone else did.

00:47:53.000 Exactly.

00:47:54.000 Listen, I was doing this before it was cool.

00:47:56.000 So I thought he should have been fired a while ago.

00:47:58.000 But I also think there are legitimate questions to be asked, like, why did the firing happen now?

00:48:04.000 And so basically there are three theories as to why the firing happened now.

00:48:07.000 Hold on, let me present with you mine, because you're smarter than me, so let me present with you mine.

00:48:10.000 This is what I said.

00:48:11.000 You know what?

00:48:11.000 I think it very well may be possible that Donald Trump just doesn't have the self-awareness.

00:48:16.000 He probably wanted to fire Comey anyway, doesn't like him, but he doesn't realize that this is horrible timing.

00:48:21.000 There's no evidence of the Russia thing.

00:48:22.000 I don't necessarily think that.

00:48:23.000 Yes, no, this is exactly right.

00:48:25.000 So this is my theory number three.

00:48:26.000 You and I agree on this.

00:48:27.000 I think that you look at the personality of Trump, this wasn't like a well-planned-out coup.

00:48:31.000 We're going to nail this guy because he's so close to the treasure now.

00:48:33.000 We've got to stop him.

00:48:34.000 Lay low for four months.

00:48:35.000 That's the Democrat theory, right?

00:48:38.000 Lay low for four months and then just blow everything up.

00:48:41.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

00:48:42.000 Even Maxine Waters is like, yeah, there's no evidence of the Russia thing at all.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, I mean, so there's basically, the Democrat theory was that Trump fired Comey because he's trying to obstruct the investigation, but there's no evidence that he's actually trying to obstruct the investigation since it's going on apparently normally.

00:48:57.000 So that one just doesn't really hold a lot of water. 0.93

00:49:00.000 By the same token, the original excuse that the administration gave was obviously complete bullshit, right? 0.58

00:49:05.000 I mean, when they were saying that we were firing him because of what he did back in July and back in October, like Trump was cheering Comey back in October, and then he reappointed him to the FBI directorship. 0.97

00:49:14.000 So clearly that was nonsense. 0.99

00:49:16.000 So we had two theories, one from Trump that was bullshit and one from the Democrats that was bullshit. 1.00

00:49:19.000 And then there's the third theory, which is that Trump is just being stupid. 1.00

00:49:22.000 Which I think fits the evidence pretty well. 0.99

00:49:25.000 I think probably what happened here is that Donald Trump was pissed with Comey because Comey keeps going on Capitol Hill and refusing to say what Trump knows is true, which is that Trump is not directly involved in any collusion with Russia.

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 It probably pisses Trump off to no end that people think that he's involved in this collusion when he knows he's not involved in the collusion.

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 Now, one thing that we understand about Trump is that Trump also doesn't identify with his aides.

00:49:45.000 So if there is any evidence of collusion, it's not going to be found about Trump directly.

00:49:48.000 It's going to be found about Paul Manafort, who legitimately was in the pay of the Russians.

00:49:52.000 It's going to be found about Mike Flynn, who legitimately was in the pay of the Russians under, you know, under some auspices or others.

00:49:57.000 And so Trump says, well, but those guys aren't me.

00:50:00.000 So why are you bothering me about this?

00:50:02.000 But I think everybody else in the political.

00:50:03.000 The political world goes, well, wait a second.

00:50:05.000 If those guys were actually doing that, we don't have evidence of that yet, but if it turns out that that's what was happening, then we're going to get a year of what did Trump know and when did he know it.

00:50:13.000 But Trump doesn't see that.

00:50:14.000 Trump just says, okay, well, those guys aren't me, so why does Comey keep bugging me?

00:50:17.000 Why don't Comey just say to me, we'll say to the public what he says to me, which is I haven't done anything. 0.65

00:50:21.000 Screw that guy, get rid of him. 1.00

00:50:23.000 And then all the people around him are sycophants and morons. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:26.000 And so they all go, oh, that sounds good.

00:50:28.000 Like, what's the problem?

00:50:28.000 Let's just do it.

00:50:29.000 I mean, fine.

00:50:30.000 Let's do it.

00:50:30.000 Cool.

00:50:30.000 And let's give no explanation to our communications people.

00:50:33.000 And probably someone like Reince Priebus, who has like some semblance of a brain when it comes to politics, says, you know what?

00:50:41.000 Why don't we try to get together like a fig leaf? 0.99

00:50:42.000 Let's get Rod Rosenstein in here to write some bullshit letter about why we're doing this. 0.98

00:50:46.000 Then we'll pretend that it was the Rod Rosenstein letter that really drove it. 1.00

00:50:48.000 And then Trump goes on national television and says, Oh yeah, by the way, that letter was complete bullshit. 0.99

00:50:53.000 We didn't need that letter. 1.00

00:50:54.000 I was going to fire him anyway.

00:50:55.000 Which destroys Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who's on national TV blaming the letter. 1.00

00:50:59.000 Mike Pence, who's on national TV blaming the letter.

00:51:01.000 And again...

00:51:02.000 And Spicer just in the corner yelling, Nothingness! 1.00

00:51:06.000 This is basically a tire fire on top of a dumpster fire on top of a shit fire. 0.99

00:51:11.000 And all of it is just one conflagration of joy with... 0.99

00:51:14.000 Trump supporters sitting in one corner going, 80 underwater chess maga maga maga, and Democrats on the other side going, clearly, clearly the Russians are coming.

00:51:22.000 And it's just, it's all nonsense. 0.96

00:51:23.000 It's all nonsense. 1.00

00:51:24.000 It's Trump being stupid, his people being stupid, his people being uninformed, and then him getting mad at them because they're uninformed and saying stupid things. 1.00

00:51:31.000 So Sarah Huckabee Sanders ends up, you know, looking terrible because she's out there basically lying to people about why this firing happened. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Now, do you think she was lying or do you think she was ill-equipped?

00:51:39.000 It's all perfectly legit to fire.

00:51:40.000 Call me.

00:51:40.000 That's the thing that's amazing.

00:51:41.000 He turned something that could have been totally fine and innocent into something that is a complete dumpster fire because he lives in a world where the things he does have no consequences.

00:51:50.000 Because when you're 70 years old and you've done nothing your entire life but being told yes, then at some point you're going to make a boo-boo and someone's going to tell you no and you're just not going to pay any attention to it.

00:52:00.000 Again, recall something.

00:52:01.000 I mean, there are a couple things here that totally drive me up a wall.

00:52:03.000 Well, hold on, because you've gone through like 25 things that drive you up a lot.

00:52:06.000 Hold on, two more. 0.93

00:52:09.000 It is important to note, Donald Trump is not under investigation directly.

00:52:13.000 And I will say this.

00:52:14.000 I think that's totally legitimate.

00:52:15.000 I actually think if there are other people who have colluded with Russia, okay, if that's proven, I honestly think if that were the case, they would have deliberately kept Donald in the dark more because he can't keep a secret.

00:52:26.000 I think they would have been like, oh, yes, Mr.

00:52:27.000 Putin.

00:52:27.000 Hold on, Donald Trump's coming around.

00:52:28.000 I mean, Michelle, yeah, I'll call you back later.

00:52:31.000 I think that's totally true.

00:52:33.000 And I think that Trump didn't even know who Manafort was when he hired him.

00:52:36.000 I think that he didn't care what Flynn was doing on his off time.

00:52:39.000 Trump only thinks about Trump.

00:52:40.000 So why would anybody around him tell him what was going on with any of this stuff?

00:52:44.000 Trump was probably very innocently going out to these rallies and cheering for WikiLeaks, even if Manafort was in the back room actually making out with Julian Assange.

00:52:51.000 We have no idea.

00:52:52.000 What was going on there?

00:52:54.000 So here are the two things that are driving me up a wall for the next 30 seconds.

00:52:58.000 Then we'll get to the other 100 things that drive me up a wall.

00:53:00.000 Okay.

00:53:00.000 One is, I'm old enough to remember when during the election cycle, it was just the worst thing in the world that Loretta Lynch got on a plane with Bill Clinton while Loretta Lynch was presumably investigating Hillary.

00:53:09.000 You remember this?

00:53:09.000 Yes.

00:53:09.000 This was a bad thing.

00:53:10.000 I remember it being really terrible.

00:53:11.000 In fact, it was such a bad thing that Comey felt the need to do the October 28th letter because he felt that Loretta Lynch had blown her credibility.

00:53:17.000 Donald Trump went on national television with Lester Holt and said after his election he had James Comey for dinner.

00:53:24.000 Comey requested the dinner and at the dinner Comey wanted to hit him up so that he could remain FBI director and they had a full conversation about whether Trump was under investigation.

00:53:33.000 No, you're not supposed to do that!

00:53:35.000 No!

00:53:36.000 But I'll tell you what's happened to me up the wall.

00:53:38.000 What race is Lester Holt anyway?

00:53:40.000 Because we have a betting pool.

00:53:41.000 We cannot figure it out.

00:53:42.000 See, this is something I'm not going to do.

00:53:45.000 This game I'm not going to play.

00:53:47.000 That's because you can't guess.

00:53:49.000 It is a guessing game.

00:53:50.000 It's a roll of the dice.

00:53:51.000 And you know that there's a 50-50 chance you're right or wrong.

00:53:54.000 That was the one thing that pissed me off again.

00:53:56.000 The second thing is that Mike Pence was in the dark, right?

00:53:58.000 And he looks really crappy because he's on TV for a day saying that this is because Rod Rosenstein wrote this letter.

00:54:04.000 And Rod Rosenstein, we know, is above reproach.

00:54:06.000 And that's why Trump did this is because of Rod Rosenstein, this and Rod Rosenstein.

00:54:09.000 And then it turns out, of course, that that's nonsense.

00:54:10.000 And Trump just did it anyway.

00:54:12.000 And it was an excuse.

00:54:13.000 OK, I remember when Mike Flynn was fired supposedly because he lied to Mike Pence.

00:54:17.000 Remember?

00:54:18.000 Yeah.

00:54:18.000 That was the excuse.

00:54:19.000 He was fired because he lied to Mike Pence and made Mike Pence look bad.

00:54:22.000 Let's see. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Who in the past 72 hours has made Mike Pence look like a stupid ass? 1.00

00:54:26.000 Hmm. 1.00

00:54:27.000 Hmm.

00:54:28.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 Okay.

00:54:29.000 If you get the sense that no one knows what they're doing, it's because no one knows what they're doing.

00:54:33.000 Buy your emergency food!

00:54:35.000 Yeah.

00:54:35.000 Yes, exactly.

00:54:36.000 Buy your hybrid seats.

00:54:37.000 Let me ask you this.

00:54:38.000 Honestly, you talk about Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Mike Flynn.

00:54:42.000 By the way, I love that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is the better version of Sean Spicer. 0.78

00:54:46.000 She's the Lou Gehrig who just Wally-pipped Sean Spicer.

00:54:50.000 What?

00:54:52.000 What's the bad?

00:54:54.000 What?

00:54:54.000 Yeah, I know.

00:54:55.000 What?

00:54:55.000 I know.

00:54:56.000 And Sean Spicer is not the Luganis.

00:54:58.000 He's just the Greg Luganis who hit his head in the back of the diving board and spread age into the pool at the Olympics.

00:55:03.000 Didn't tell him what was happening.

00:55:04.000 Let me ask you this.

00:55:04.000 Do you think that someone like Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Sean Spicer or Mike Flynn, Vice President Mike Flynn, do you think they're out there and they're kind of fibbing?

00:55:12.000 Mike Pence.

00:55:13.000 Mike Pence.

00:55:14.000 Gosh, I'm getting mixed up here.

00:55:15.000 Do you think they're out there fibbing or do you just think that they are so ill-equipped being sent out there and not given information that it's impossible to do their job?

00:55:23.000 I think that Trump does stuff and then he's like, react, go!

00:55:27.000 He's basically the joker in that scene where he breaks a pool, Q and two, and he says, okay, there's only one slot open.

00:55:32.000 And that's what he's like with his communications team.

00:55:34.000 And so we're having tryouts. 0.99

00:55:36.000 And so who can kiss my ass the most brazenly on national TV and make me feel good about myself because I'm watching the briefing? 0.99

00:55:42.000 Again, here's the thing about all of this. 0.99

00:55:44.000 I'm getting bashed on Twitter because I'm being too critical of Trump. 0.99

00:55:47.000 No, you're getting back because you're a bit of a smug prick sometimes, but you're smart, so it's okay. 0.98

00:55:52.000 If you want Trump to have a successful presidency, folks, the MAGA crowd, okay, if you want Trump to have a successful presidency, it would help if you would stop doing this and pull his head directly out of his colon, okay? 0.99

00:56:01.000 Enough. 0.72

00:56:01.000 Because here's the thing. 0.72

00:56:02.000 This should have been a good week for Trump, right?

00:56:04.000 Remember last week he had his triumphal meeting at the White House with all the House Republicans after passing Trumpcare, a bill I didn't like, but it was a political victory for him.

00:56:11.000 Sure.

00:56:11.000 And now we should have spent this entire week.

00:56:13.000 Aetna just pulled out of Obamacare.

00:56:15.000 Like the entire company pulled out of Obamacare.

00:56:16.000 I know.

00:56:17.000 That's huge.

00:56:18.000 That would be the number one story in America.

00:56:20.000 And he'd be saying to the Senate, look, Obamacare is collapsing.

00:56:22.000 Do something about it.

00:56:23.000 He'd be on the move.

00:56:24.000 We'd be talking about tax reform.

00:56:26.000 Instead, what are we talking about?

00:56:27.000 We're talking about how horribly he blew this particular Comey firing.

00:56:34.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 How he sat on the giantest whoopee cushion in the room.

00:56:36.000 How he set himself a landmine and jumped on it with both feet.

00:56:38.000 We're talking about that.

00:56:39.000 And, by the way, the time is running on Obamacare repeal.

00:56:43.000 Or, it's not really Obamacare repeal.

00:56:45.000 The time is running on Trumpcare.

00:56:46.000 By the middle of June, this thing's over, right?

00:56:48.000 Reconciliation dies until the fall if they don't do this now. 1.00

00:56:51.000 And he just lost another week doing this stupidity. 1.00

00:56:53.000 He's going to lose another couple of weeks because of this. 1.00

00:56:56.000 And his approval ratings are in the toilet.

00:56:58.000 The congressional approval ratings are in the toilet.

00:57:00.000 Like...

00:57:00.000 Well, I also think there is...

00:57:01.000 If he wants Trump to do a good job, he needs to do a good job.

00:57:03.000 And that doesn't excuse Democrats for being who they are. 1.00

00:57:05.000 They are hypocrites. 1.00

00:57:06.000 They are terrible. 1.00

00:57:07.000 They are taking advantage of a bad situation.

00:57:09.000 But you know they're going to...

00:57:10.000 I mean, he's the one who reads the poem The Snake at his rallies.

00:57:13.000 Doesn't he know the Democrats in the media are going to be the snake anyway?

00:57:16.000 So why would you possibly give them the material?

00:57:18.000 Oh, I do think there's the other side of the coin, where I was watching CNN today and Wolf Blitzer, and they didn't have a single person on the panel who would correct anything.

00:57:24.000 And they were saying, Donald Trump directly under investigation.

00:57:26.000 And I'm sitting there like, this is on CNN. I mean, first off, it's Wolf lowest score ever on Celebrity Jeopardy Blitzer.

00:57:31.000 I hate that guy.

00:57:32.000 I know, you can't say it. 0.83

00:57:33.000 He would seem so benign, but you see him, and it's just these horrible thoughts and feelings just bubble up inside of you.

00:57:39.000 It's aggressively mediocre.

00:57:40.000 Yeah, it is.

00:57:40.000 You know, I will say this, because I was never on the Never Trump bandwagon.

00:57:43.000 Wasn't a huge fan, obviously.

00:57:44.000 I wouldn't say as gung-ho as you, but I want to see him do well.

00:57:47.000 And it has been, as someone who works in news, so hard to follow this week, because someone will be trotted out, they'll say something, and then two hours later, it's completely contradicted by somebody else in this administration.

00:57:59.000 I don't know how Americans, any American right now, thinks that they have a shot because it is difficult for professionals to make sense of this.

00:58:06.000 And maybe even after the time of this episode, when someone's watching this tomorrow, what we're seeing right now will make no sense.

00:58:11.000 I totally agree with this.

00:58:13.000 And I think that this is why the media bias really does come into play in a major way.

00:58:16.000 I was watching CNN yesterday for some god-awful reason, and you're exactly right.

00:58:23.000 Here's Bernie Sanders talking about why Trump should be prosecuted.

00:58:26.000 And now, that'll be followed by this other House Democrat who says that he should be prosecuted.

00:58:31.000 Followed by, here's David Axelrod.

00:58:33.000 He comments on why he should be prosecuted.

00:58:35.000 It's just a lineup of people who hate Trump.

00:58:38.000 But the problem is, that's why you have to have an administration that presents a clear and concise position.

00:58:42.000 Which, by the way, was something Trump was actually quite good at during the campaign.

00:58:45.000 In certain areas of his campaign, he would say, in one sentence, what's your ISIS policy? 0.99

00:58:49.000 Well, bomb the shit out of him. 1.00

00:58:50.000 Right? 1.00

00:58:50.000 And then everybody goes, oh, it makes sense to me. 1.00

00:58:52.000 Okay, fine.

00:58:52.000 Whatever.

00:58:53.000 Here's the thing.

00:58:54.000 It doesn't make no sense.

00:58:56.000 I'm not...

00:58:56.000 Exactly.

00:58:57.000 That's right.

00:58:58.000 I love that attack ad.

00:58:59.000 It makes a certain type of sense.

00:59:01.000 But this...

00:59:02.000 What he's doing now, there's not even a counterattack.

00:59:04.000 Because the Democrats say...

00:59:06.000 Here's a very clear narrative.

00:59:08.000 Trump under investigation by the Russians.

00:59:11.000 Trump fires the guy who's in charge of the investigation.

00:59:14.000 That's the entire narrative in one sentence with a semicolon.

00:59:18.000 And the Republicans have no reply to that because Trump hasn't even given them one.

00:59:23.000 I don't know if you can hear me.

00:59:42.000 Then we have to wrap you and give you the Muppet hook, so I apologize, but wrap it up.

00:59:46.000 No worries.

00:59:47.000 Okay, so the final note.

00:59:48.000 If he wants to solve this, all he has to do is appoint somebody who's well-respected on both sides of the aisle to the head of the FBI. That's all.

00:59:54.000 If he does that, this whole thing dies immediately.

00:59:56.000 But, you know, this is a cloud that he just won't let die, and he won't let it die because Trump is Trump, and it comes with the good and it comes with the bad.

01:00:04.000 Well, I think most important here is, you know, for a long time, people were mocking anyone who was saying, listen, I... For example, me.

01:00:09.000 I wasn't never Trump.

01:00:09.000 I'm going, but we've got to keep him accountable.

01:00:11.000 I remember people would have the memes, put my principles.

01:00:13.000 Oh, what do your principles matter if you never win?

01:00:16.000 Well, guess what?

01:00:17.000 You can't only focus on the short-term battles and lose the war.

01:00:20.000 And you can only have a few more weeks like this until you start losing the war.

01:00:25.000 It's a real problem.

01:00:26.000 And I think, if anything, the MAGA people, the super hardcore Trump fans, should want to keep him accountable more than anyone because right now they're being embarrassed because of him.

01:00:35.000 Ben Shapiro...

01:00:36.000 At the Daily Wire, the Ben Shapiro show.

01:00:39.000 The guy can talk a mile a minute for, I don't know, hours.

01:00:41.000 That's what he does every day.

01:00:42.000 Thank you so much, brother.

01:00:43.000 We'll have to have you back.

01:00:44.000 Catch you in bed.

01:00:45.000 Go dig a Xanax.

01:00:46.000 We will be back after this.

01:00:47.000 wrapping this up.

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01:02:10.000 Ben Shapiro, always fun.

01:02:11.000 Had to cut him off because the guy goes over time.

01:02:14.000 If he were at the Oscars, you would just hear the theme song for half of his speech.

01:02:17.000 You wouldn't hear the second half of his speech.

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01:02:25.000 Play it.

01:02:25.000 This guy just won't shut up.

01:02:28.000 A smart guy.

01:02:29.000 I will say this.

01:02:29.000 Ben Shapiro, I don't agree with him on everything, but when we're tracking, he goes, yeah, I agree with you.

01:02:34.000 I feel that exactly.

01:02:35.000 I go, oh, okay.

01:02:36.000 Now I don't feel so bad.

01:02:37.000 Sure.

01:02:38.000 And you understand why leftists hate him.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, you understand why leftists hate him.

01:02:42.000 I can't be the only one who's exasperated with this week.

01:02:45.000 I just wanted it to end.

01:02:46.000 I don't want to have to talk about Comey one more time or hear one more screw up.

01:02:49.000 I'm done with it.

01:02:50.000 I'm over it.

01:02:51.000 And as a matter of fact, as far as, you know, we often wrap this up.

01:02:54.000 I feel like I covered most of it earlier with the extremist segment, but...

01:02:57.000 For those asking about it, yeah, it'll probably be cut on its own segment for YouTube as a reference, and we'll have the sources available.

01:03:04.000 It's one of those deals, the whole idea of extremism, that just you're a right-wing extremist.

01:03:09.000 We've talked about this before.

01:03:11.000 It's just repeated enough where a lot of people believe it.

01:03:14.000 Well, I'm conservative, but I'm not one of those right-wing extremists.

01:03:17.000 I'm conservative, but I'm a compassionate conservative.

01:03:20.000 What does that even mean?

01:03:21.000 I'm conservative, but I'm reasonable.

01:03:22.000 Yeah, I'm conservative, but I'm reasonable.

01:03:24.000 And we've been allowed to say...

01:03:26.000 By the way, we will host anybody on here for a discussion, for a civil discussion.

01:03:30.000 But I don't think 90% of the policies proposed by today's regressive left are reasonable.

01:03:36.000 I don't think a 65% death tax is reasonable.

01:03:37.000 I don't think taxpayer-funded abortion on demand up until the head pokes out is reasonable.

01:03:41.000 I don't.

01:03:42.000 And I'll argue those ideas because I think they're so unreasonable.

01:03:45.000 I can argue those ideas in a civil way.

01:03:47.000 That's what's funny.

01:03:48.000 When you have the confidence in the logic of the basis of your ideas, you can argue with someone who you think their ideas are so absurd.

01:03:57.000 And you can be civil.

01:03:58.000 Because you're not insecure.

01:04:00.000 It's like a woman, when they get into a fight with a guy, they just go full bore. 1.00

01:04:05.000 You ever had that?

01:04:06.000 Well, you sister? 0.87

01:04:07.000 Yeah.

01:04:07.000 They don't control themselves.

01:04:08.000 Guys are able to because they're confident in their strength.

01:04:11.000 They kind of, you know, we rip each other and the women just like, they grab your hair and they gouge your eyes. 1.00

01:04:14.000 They're rubbing your forehead with a cheese grater like it's backyard wrestling.

01:04:18.000 They take it too far because they're not confident in their physical abilities and they shouldn't be. 0.99

01:04:21.000 Women are weak. 1.00

01:04:24.000 So it is one of those, it's just repeated enough, and you know what, they just, well, so you think a flat tax, that's extreme? 0.99

01:04:30.000 Why?

01:04:31.000 When someone just acts as though they try and throw away your idea, why is that extreme?

01:04:35.000 Well, we just, we think that America, it's this, like Michael Moore recently, and Bernie Sanders echoed it, we like to think it's this pull yourself up by your bootstrap society.

01:04:44.000 That's what these right-wing extreme, well. 0.87

01:04:46.000 Why?

01:04:46.000 Why is that absurd?

01:04:47.000 Why is it absurd to think that most grown-ass men can pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

01:04:52.000 Kind of like Ben Carson when he said about public housing, he said, well, you know, I think we should help those, the weakest among us, the disabled, but I don't think that we should make people super comfortable who are able-bodied and capable of finding work.

01:05:02.000 Can you believe Ben Carson said it?

01:05:04.000 Yeah.

01:05:06.000 But usually if someone is just trying to poo-poo, try and dismiss an idea, can you believe that?

01:05:11.000 Just think about it for a second, and usually you work through the process, go, oh, this person's trying to pull it over on me.

01:05:17.000 Yeah, I can believe it.

01:05:18.000 The idea is now that we believe to be extreme, The Second Amendment that you can own firearms and protect yourself.

01:05:25.000 The idea that you should be an autonomous human being capable of providing for your own family and not suckling at the taxpayer teat.

01:05:32.000 The idea of rugged independence, of freedom of speech, of the idea that you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

01:05:38.000 These ideas now that we try and paint, or the left tries to paint as extremism, they used to be truths held to be self-evident.

01:05:46.000 You could not go back.

01:05:47.000 You could not go back.

01:05:48.000 You know what?

01:05:48.000 I'll be...

01:05:52.000 I'll be liberal with this.

01:05:53.000 You couldn't even go back to JFK's era, and short of the actual communists, who've now hijacked the wing of the Democratic Party, find mainstream Democrats, when JFK was president, who would think that any of these ideas were extremist.

01:06:07.000 So you know what?

01:06:08.000 It's not that bad.

01:06:10.000 Sometimes someone just says being an extremist is not a bad thing if that's what it boils down to.

01:06:15.000 I get emails all the time like, you know, I'm afraid because they're in the entertainment industry or in college and I just don't want them to think I'm an extremist.

01:06:22.000 What's so bad?

01:06:23.000 What, people are going to say you're an extremist?

01:06:24.000 They think you're a terrorist because you believe in a flat tax?

01:06:27.000 An eight-month-old baby has the right to live?

01:06:30.000 I'm okay being an extremist.

01:06:32.000 I don't know.

01:06:32.000 Maybe we should get a hashtag going.

01:06:33.000 Extremist?

01:06:34.000 I think everyone in this room is an extremist.

01:06:35.000 I'm cool with it.

01:06:37.000 I'm no longer going to try and act as though I'm not.

01:06:41.000 Because all of these ideas are extreme.

01:06:43.000 To the left.

01:06:44.000 Okay.

01:06:45.000 Let's go ahead together this next week and be extremists.

01:06:47.000 Just be extreme.

01:06:48.000 And be open about your extremism.

01:06:50.000 And see how people react.

01:06:51.000 Maybe you'll change a mind or two.

01:06:52.000 If not, they'll probably hate you anyway.

01:06:54.000 You know why?

01:06:55.000 Because they're the real extremists.

01:06:56.000 Also... 1.00

01:06:57.000 They suck. 1.00

01:06:58.000 They're asses. 1.00

01:06:58.000 They are jackasses. 1.00

01:07:00.000 See you next week. 0.99

Louder with Crowder - May 12, 2017

#167 'LIBERALS' ARE THE EXTREMISTS! Ben Shapiro and Alex Epstein | Louder With Crowder

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