Jimmy Kimmel joins Jemele to discuss why Vox hates free speech and why the left has never cared about free speech since the 60s. Plus, the wine of the day, and a special guest appearance from comedian Clint Howard.
00:00:00.000*music* Look, if you had one speech at Berkeley to show the world that your Jewish ass ain't no Nazi, do you pay the $10,000 security deposit?
00:00:23.000or do you just stay home with that bitch-ass Tumblr?
00:00:29.000Well, listen, the bottom line is, that was a rumor.
00:00:33.000Factually, I was not going to let students, any fascists, keep me off campus.
00:06:36.000There are people who are trying to make sure that you get your story straight, and you're talking about stuff that we didn't even put in the room.
00:07:47.000You know, listen, anyone can get hit by a car.
00:07:50.000She gave an interview to Mike today, complaining about misogyny and double, so she, this is a quote, she, the clip, we won't subject you to the actual video clip in Oakland.
00:07:59.000She said, we need to end the double standard, adding that too often women are seen as angry when they advocate for causes they believe in, rather than as passionate.
00:13:30.000Thank God they just bought Whole Foods.
00:13:32.000This makes me feel good about society.
00:13:34.000The ingredients which are legal to purchase were included in a frequently bought together section of listings that included materials like ball bearings, ignition systems, and detonators.
00:14:24.000So the algorithms, they've also suggested, for example, customers who bought bedsheets, it suggested you might also purchase SPF 300, best of Limp Bizkit, and Tiki torches.
00:14:35.000And a big problem with this was enabling location services, if you were in Charlottesville.
00:14:42.000Gotta turn that part of your phone off.
00:15:10.000And if you were purchasing the Ryan Gosling Criterion director's box set, it suggested dark chocolate and industrial-strength Midol, which, when you think about it, isn't really, like, it's not dangerous.
00:16:46.000So right away in Vox they write, one of the reasons people are so opposed to these free speech events is because these conservative activists often use the mantle of free speech to say some really bigoted offensive things.
00:16:59.000Okay, so they do their obligatory First Amendment, but really?
00:17:03.000And then they go right there, right into condemning the speech.
00:17:05.000And they say again and again, people told me how much they resented not being able to speak their minds, though none of them wanted to articulate what exactly they were holding in.
00:17:11.000Well, how about they didn't want to articulate it because you were going to say that they were using it to say really bigoted, offensive things.
00:17:18.000Before they said anything, call it a hunch.
00:17:23.000Then they go on to say in the same article on Vox, Some liberals have argued that this conservative defense of free speech is really a ruse to say all sorts of racist, sexist, and other bigoted things.
00:17:35.000Which is really just a repeat of the first quote that I read.
00:18:52.000But it was more the free love movement, the feminist movement.
00:18:55.000If you look at what they were actively fighting for, it was never about free speech.
00:18:58.000As a matter of fact, you can still find plenty of examples of them being offended and not wanting people to say what they thought were hateful things.
00:19:04.000They maybe didn't use the terminology hate speech.
00:19:06.000So this is what I want to hear from other people.
00:19:08.000A lot of people think that, well, it was the catalyst.
00:19:10.000It was Berkeley, the free speech movement.
00:19:11.000That's actually not what hippies were about.
00:19:13.000I also find it ironic they have the free speech circle in Berkeley.
00:19:46.000When you look at what happened back then, and I think, if I'm not mistaken, Reagan was governor and they weren't allowed to have political activism on campus.
00:19:53.000But the point is, that was never the main component of the hippie movement.
00:19:57.000It wasn't like there was a huge movement across the country on all these different campuses.
00:20:02.000Campi, I I'm always confused about that.
00:20:04.000So I think one of the things, too, is I know that we're going back to Berkeley because of the 1960s stuff, but I also kind of think it's because you know you're going to get some protests occasionally.
00:21:10.000For example, in the 80s, it was Reagan's FCC that wanted to eliminate the Fairness Doctrine, which controlled freedom of speech at the press.
00:21:17.000And I know some people say, fairness doctrine, it sounds so good, just like net neutrality.
00:21:21.000No, if you want to be consistent on the freedom train, right?
00:21:49.000He repeatedly argued on real time with Bill Maher that trans people are disordered.
00:21:54.000Yeah, but the DSM-5, the authority for psychiatrists, clearly lists gender dysphoria as a mental disorder.
00:22:02.000I just don't, I mean, so again, they would, for example, if they had Milo up there saying, like, he screamed the N-word at the top of his lungs and he said that he wanted to gas the Jews, like, you think someone would say, hey, maybe that should make the cut over him quoting the DSM-5.
00:22:15.000Yeah, some would say a scientific conversation.
00:24:18.000And Vox is constantly used as a source.
00:24:20.000But YouTube just cannot trend Vox enough, cannot feature them enough.
00:24:25.000Snopes, PolitiFact, Vox, they're used as these beacons.
00:24:28.000Remember, we've talked about this before.
00:24:29.000the Southern Poverty Law Center, of unbiased truth.
00:24:33.000And Vox is effectively making the claim here, if you actually read what they're saying, that being against radical Islamic terror and supporting reasonable legal immigration policies is now somehow hateful and bigoted.
00:24:46.000And if you don't want to talk to them about it because they just said you might be hateful and bigoted, you really are violating free speech.
00:26:05.000If I'm in a theater and I say, nah, fire, because there's a funny fire scene in that movie, it's fine.
00:26:12.000If I yell fire pointing to the alarm to try and get somebody to pull the fire alarm and people run out of that theater and someone gets hurt and trampled, it is the call to action.
00:29:11.000Well, we heard that you'd been torn apart by a pack of wild dogs and wished you a swift recovery, so we're glad to see that you're still standing.
00:30:49.000If you go to Google Maps and just see what North Korea looks like from a few miles up, Even though, you know, you can see South Korea from a fairly close distance and then they make you back up, you know, at least, you know, the consumer version, they back up.
00:31:04.000And North Korea doesn't exactly look like, you know, the hotbed of a spa and leisure activities.
00:31:11.000No, that's just Clint Howard's house, apparently.
00:31:17.000This is my, not to get cute about this, but my mother, 14 years ago on her deathbed, was pleading with me like I've never heard anybody say, you gotta get a jacuzzi.
00:32:38.000When he was starting out, knowing what I know of him, I would have given him no chance, not even one percentage point, to make it in the business.
00:34:23.000You can't do an interview with the jets on, because otherwise, then you sound like a guy on an aircraft carrier talking about how Trump is just going to burn all the soldiers in the little army gang.
00:34:35.000Well then, where are the bubbles coming from, Clint?
00:36:41.000Anybody there, because, you know, I looked at the people and I saw, and, you know, these are not the Star Trek people that have flown from Europe to go to the 50th anniversary convention.
00:36:52.000These are people with a few bucks in their pocket, and my job is not to scrape the last $20 bill out of their hands.
00:36:59.000Yeah, you know who's notorious for that is Lou Ferrigno.
00:37:02.000So I don't know if he's a friend, but he's been known, like, you ask him for an autograph.
00:37:05.000First off, it's got to be the right print, and he charges a pretty penny.
00:38:12.000I mean, you've heard about this, right?
00:38:14.000Ben Shapiro was there, Free Speech Week, Ann Coulter and Milo are going, there are all these protests.
00:38:20.000You know, you've been raised in California your whole life, and I maintain that actually this idea that there was a free speech movement from the left, it was never really that active.
00:38:28.000It was more of a pro-drug, anti-war movement.
00:38:31.000What do you feel like now, seeing these...
00:38:35.000California, it's a totalitarian state where people don't want anything that they disagree with.
00:38:41.000Yeah, you know, and the problem is this is not the first time I've seen liberal minded people co-opt a pretty solid idea.
00:40:15.000You know, that connection where you can shake their hand and ask their name and BS with them for a couple of minutes and maybe make a joke about the spelling of their name or something and then stand up and do a picture together.
00:40:28.000You know, that means something to them.
00:40:59.000I was down there working on a movie called End of the Line.
00:41:02.000And they announced me and there was a sheer smattering of applause and then slowly but surely people started coming over.
00:41:10.000And having me sign stuff, and I signed the bottom of the hot dog box, and I signed the inside of a bag of peanuts that had been ripped open.
00:41:21.000But people were coming up and having a good time, and I was leaving.
00:41:24.000It was the seventh inning, and I had a call the next morning.
00:41:26.000I called the cab, I go, and I have to stop in the old stadium-style men's room to take a leak, and I'm there at the truck, and I'm urinating, and I look down, and I'm hitting my signature.
00:42:16.000It was like, you know, one minute, everybody was patting me on the back and the stadium announcer was saying, ladies and gentlemen, let's give a nice little rock welcome to, you know, to I'm looking down and I'm, you know, like a cow on a flat rock.
00:42:30.000Well, don't let that get your spirits down.
00:42:32.000I've had people actually urinate on me.
00:42:35.000So this has happened at stand-up clubs, so it could be worse.
00:43:15.000And I enjoy the fact that I can sit here with my cell phone in my jacuzzi and do an interview with a very smart person is, to me, kind of an interesting proposition.
00:43:47.000I don't think Rick's presidential timber, but hell, you know, I didn't think that Donald Trump was presidential timber, and look who's sitting in the White House.
00:43:56.000None of us, you know, if Charles Krauthammer gets it wrong half the time, you, naked in a jacuzzi, probably haven't got a shot, and neither do I at this chair.
00:44:03.000But listen, next time we bring you back, let's get you in studio, and we'll make it a party, but pants required.
00:46:42.000It has me sorted and in sore need of Zoloft.
00:46:45.000When I had conversations with the people in Ireland, it was amazing as to how conservative they lined up on issues, and then they all said, but I hate Donald Trump.
00:46:53.000I think Americans are cocky and stupid.
00:46:55.000I'm like, you have no idea what you just said.
00:46:57.000You agreed with me on nine out of ten issues, but then you somehow think that you're a liberal, and it made me so depressed.
00:47:16.000And now explain to the audience, you are bringing the Ferguson play to the heart of theater in Manhattan.
00:47:23.000We did a stage reading in Los Angeles, people reading the script.
00:47:27.000Nine members of the cast walked out during rehearsals because the truth, the script, didn't match what they thought the real story of Ferguson was.
00:47:40.000It's only taken directly from the grand jury and it's the build-up to the shooting of Michael Brown from eyewitnesses, many of them minorities.
00:47:47.000And the truth is Stranger than fiction, but it also matches nothing what the mainstream media said.
00:47:54.000The mainstream media is the real fiction here.
00:47:55.000So I'm bringing it to Manhattan, right to the heart of Manhattan, to the Urban Stages Theatre.
00:48:02.000And I was partially inspired, by the way, by the way the audiences at Hamilton and the cast at Hamilton treated Vice President Mike Pence.
00:48:11.000Yeah, so is this off-Broadway, or is it off-off-Broadway, or is it off-off-off?
00:49:29.000The ratings are, I don't even know what it is with the Tonys, but it is so self-important.
00:49:33.000To me, what really bothers me, and I think this ties back into the Hamilton issue with a Vice President, I was going to say Governor Pence, but it's Vice President Mike Pence, is just the assumption that everyone agrees with you.
00:49:45.000You know, he was in there, and it's the assumption that, well, everyone in the audience thinks it's fine.
00:49:49.000No one would have a problem with me berating the Vice President of the United States.
00:49:53.000It was like, exactly as you say, Stephen, it was like at the Emmys, you know, and Phelan and I have had a big conversation about this.
00:49:59.000It's incredible to me that they would be so, like, they're, you know, speaking ill of half of their audience, half.
00:50:06.000A whole half of their audience, of all these shows, of all these shows that are on, you know, everywhere, half of the audience are people who think it's a great thing that Donald Trump is the President of the United States.
00:50:20.000And it's like, just from a commercial point of view, it's beyond belief, you know, how the derangement syndrome that they're, you know, they're living in this kind of Really weird world.
00:50:29.000It's like that bubble where they actually don't know anyone who's voted for Donald Trump, except for they do know people who've voted for Donald Trump.
00:50:36.000And they're too scared to say it because you won't be invited to Thanksgiving or whatever.
00:50:40.000Yeah, well, you won't be invited to the next Tony's.
00:50:43.000I think I'll even give them some ground and say, OK, not even half.
00:50:45.000But let's say there's 20 percent who are huge Hillary Clinton fans, 20 percent who are huge Donald Trump fans.
00:50:50.000And then there's that portion of the middle like, OK, let's see what happens.
00:50:53.000It's kind of like Owen Benjamin, our friend was talking about.
00:50:55.000He says, you know, There's a small group of people who the left points to with Charlottesville who go, yeah, white people!
00:51:01.000And then there's, the liberals want us to think that all of us need to be, uh, white people.
00:51:04.000But most of America is like, eh, white people.
00:51:07.000You know, there's this guilt complex and they use this small radical minority of people who genuinely are racist and try and apply that to Ferguson and then obfuscate the truth.
00:51:16.000Let me ask you this, because there have been so many since you've, you know, started this project, The Play of Ferguson.
00:51:21.000I mean, just recently, was it at, um...
00:51:37.000After that, do you feel as though you've been somewhat vindicated of this controversy considering how many cases have been debunked since the start of it?
00:51:48.000Well, I mean, Ferguson is the origin myth for the Black Lives Matter.
00:51:55.000Yeah, I mean, funny, I wanted to kind of show you this.
00:51:57.000Guys, the technical guys, I hope they can see that.
00:52:00.000This is an article from the New York Times from yesterday.
00:52:04.000So after Ferguson, the latest Ferguson shooting, which again, you know, this case hasn't been heard yet.
00:52:09.000You know, there'll be a lengthy trial, etc., Sorry, there has been a lengthy trial, and in a lengthy trial, with a proper legal system, you know, the cop was vindicated.
00:52:19.000And here's the story, but I mean, it's really worth looking at the photograph.
00:52:22.000I'm not going to lie to you, we can't see it, your screen just went dark.
00:52:25.000But you know what, we'll do our best to get it up here in the next...
00:52:28.000Basically, it's a guy, the New York Times have a photograph with a guy with his hands up.
00:53:06.000But he's actually good friends with Senator Rick Santorum, who's coming up next.
00:53:09.000He's come around a little bit, but he can be a douche, yeah.
00:53:12.000Well, I'll tell you one thing, and I would like the senator, by the way, to please give him some instruction on what actually happened in Ferguson.
00:53:18.000Because he did his world tour, and during his world tour, one of the pieces, the set pieces, was this really, really long stage, and he walked the length of it.
00:53:56.000And what is amazing about the play, about the Ferguson play, which we said is verbatim, it's all the words of actual witnesses at the trial and one of the most powerful moments.
00:54:04.000And I hope, Stephen, if you're anywhere near New York, any of the people listening now are near New York, please come.
00:55:11.000We did a history lesson on the AIDS epidemic and how it was a hoax from the media.
00:55:16.000And this is, again, people don't understand that this idea, and same thing with Ferguson, we've talked about this so much on the show, this idea of focusing on victim culture, and let's say it creates actual victims.
00:55:26.000So when you lie about AIDS, when you say anyone can get AIDS through any sexual practice, you're just as at risk if you're a non-intravenous heterosexual drug user.
00:55:34.000If you're none of those things, what happens is AIDS gets all of this funding.
00:55:44.000What people don't understand is these kids hear this, it gives them license to go out and treat cops horribly, to behave terribly, and then they put themselves in precarious...
00:56:02.000So we really hope that people come and see the play, and if they can't come and see the play, we really hope that they'll donate to make this happen.
00:56:09.000You know, this is exactly what our side, if you like, this is what the Conservatives don't do.
00:56:12.000I mean, I don't know, when was the last time there was a Conservative play with a Conservative point of view telling the truth on Broadway?
00:56:21.000And I think the response we've had already, about 25% of the money is raised already, has kind of proved to us that people all over the place, you know, we've had people like literally all over the place.
01:00:15.000It allows us to hire more people because the demonetization on YouTube is happening, and ironically, this is what allows us to keep the content on YouTube.
01:00:22.000So you see a lot of these people, hit the tip jar, hit Patreon, keep this content free.
01:00:26.000Well, we're going to do free content no matter what, but we're only able to do it if more people join the club, and we didn't want to do it with just, you know, standing there with their cup out.
01:02:40.000That means that they're going to get so much money per person under Medicaid.
01:02:46.000And so it's not an open-ended entitlement anymore.
01:02:49.000In other words, it's we're gonna give so much per person, we're not just gonna reimburse whatever the state spends.
01:02:56.000So that's some limitation on the growth of Medicaid.
01:03:00.000Frankly, it's not a whole lot because we grow the cap, if you will, every year by the rate roughly of medical inflation, a little higher in the early years at medical inflation in the later years.
01:03:16.000The people who are complaining about that, and this was, again, in the other bill, so it's the same as in our bill, the people who are complaining about it are saying that this is a big cut to Medicaid.
01:03:45.000Well, it's very comparable, I would say, for a lot of people, because we've talked about this in the show quite a bit, in ways to the idea of a school voucher program, where instead of just giving it into an endless supply of a public school that isn't working, you attach it to the student.
01:03:55.000And in that case, more students would go to public schools and private schools, so there would be a larger pool.
01:04:01.000So the bottom line is, this is really the key, though.
01:04:05.000The growth rate is what people are complaining about.
01:04:07.000They're saying that's an unrealistic growth rate.
01:04:10.000Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris and all these people went out, Cory Booker went out last week and said, we need Medicare for everybody because it's a more efficient, it's a better system, it's better quality, and it's lower cost.
01:04:25.000But they're complaining that That Medicaid, with a cap at medical inflation, is gonna fail.
01:04:56.000And when we talk about the people who are left in the cold because of the Affordable Care Act, there are tens of millions of Americans who can no longer afford their plans.
01:05:03.000There are millions who their plans that included Medicaid aren't taken.
01:05:07.000You know, my in-laws, they've had a real problem with it.
01:05:10.000I think the issue you're running into, because you're trying to make sense of the hypocrisy from Bernie Sanders, none of that is the case.
01:06:28.000So all of those things, basically Obamacare is repealed.
01:06:32.000What we then do is take all the tax money that's left, because Obama increased taxes, and we take that money and we divide it up to the states equally over time.
01:06:46.000But by the end of the seven years of this block grant, Every state will get the same amount per capita for the poor people they have in their state, so they can provide an innovative, state-specific, Quality-driven system of health insurance and health providing for each state in America.
01:07:06.000So we get the money out of Washington, get it equally divided to the states, allow them to innovate, allow them to create high-risk pools or health savings accounts, or if they want to put, you know, Obamacare, recreate Obamacare, I'm in California right now, they want to recreate Obamacare in California, they can recreate Obamacare here.
01:07:25.000They want to put back the individual mandate, they can put back the individual mandate, but every state It's gonna have the ability to develop their own system, and it'll be driven by two things.
01:07:37.000We put a cap on how much money we're gonna spend.
01:07:40.000So every, unlike Obamacare, which is open-ended entitlement, there's a limit on how much money we're gonna give the states, and they have to live within that budget.
01:07:49.000That's going to drive cost containment, which the best way to get cost containment is improving quality.
01:07:55.000So we think we'll have a lower cost, more efficient, quality-driven system in all the different states around the country.
01:08:02.000We know why Jimmy Kimmel wants to kick your ass effectively.
01:08:05.000That's what he's What children do we have that we can throw politically?
01:08:16.000So we know why the left is against it, but I've heard you also say, hey, listen, this is why the right needs to support it.
01:08:20.000So there's been some apprehension from more traditional conservatives.
01:08:23.000I think I know the reason, but I'd like to hear kind of what it is they've expressed to you and why they do need to get behind it at this point.
01:08:32.000Well, Rand Paul's sort of been leading that charge, saying that we leave in 85 to 90 percent of the taxes that Obama levied to fund Obamacare, and we leave the spending in place.
01:09:18.000So 20 years ago, 21 years ago to be exact, I was the author of a bill that passed the United States Senate signed by President Clinton called Welfare Reform.
01:09:27.000And there were those, there was a guy by the name of Locke Faircloth, who was a senator from North Carolina, who voted against, he was the only Republican that voted against this bill.
01:09:38.000They got every other Republican to vote for it, 51 of them, to vote for it, because it didn't cut enough taxes, And it didn't cut enough spending.
01:09:45.000And the reason is because we spent a lot of money.
01:10:04.000Within three years, the welfare rules were cut in half.
01:10:07.000Within three years, poverty hit some of the lowest rates.
01:10:10.000In fact, in the most hard-hit, impoverished subcategories had the best growth in income.
01:10:19.000We got more people employed who were lower income, particularly single, never married mothers, highest rates of employment ever recorded, all because we gave the governors the flexibility and the resources to be able to get people off welfare, into work, and into productive lives.
01:10:34.000Well, I understand, yeah, finding a middle ground to compromise so that something is better than nothing.
01:10:38.000But I'm sure we can both agree it just takes the wrong guy down the line unless the dragon is cut off at the head where, you know, you have another President Obama and people are concerned that, oh, now it's all back in play, as it often happens with government.
01:10:53.000It was not coincidental that the day that Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy and Dean Heller and Ron Johnson and I introduced They introduced, I hung around, we were at a press conference introducing this bill.
01:11:06.000Later on that day, Bernie Sanders introduced his Medicare for All.
01:11:10.000And just think about the optics of this.
01:11:14.000Well, the legal term is, crazy uncle proposed a bill again.
01:11:33.000Because if Obamacare worked, Bernie wouldn't end up introducing a fundamentally different way of dealing with healthcare.
01:11:39.000Now the left and the right agree Obamacare has failed, and now the American public has their choice.
01:11:45.000They can do a plan that says 50 different health care systems developed at the states and people closest to the people to make more localized solutions, or one-size-fits-all government-run health care by the Democrats. or one-size-fits-all government-run health care by the Democrats.
01:12:04.000That's your choice, and that's the vote coming up next week.
01:12:09.000I feel like this is kind of like college football, where I support a team that gets beat at the last minute and I just can't do it anymore.
01:12:15.000As a Republican, as somebody who's had his insurance go crazy...
01:12:19.000I don't know that there's just two choices in our minds.
01:12:22.000Right now there are two choices, but there's this third option of like, no, you've got to come up with something a little bit better.
01:12:26.000How do you get over the hurdle of communicating that this is a good path to go?
01:12:31.000I'm all for the states having the right to control this.
01:12:34.000But it doesn't seem like everybody's jumping on the bandwagon on both sides so that, like Stephen said, it doesn't just go back the next time we get somebody from another party coming in.
01:12:43.000This is the cool thing about sending the money out to the states.
01:12:46.000Once the states have these resources and develop their own plan of how to deal with insurance markets and all these things that we're going to give them the flexibility to deal with, They're never going to give this money back.
01:13:06.000So this puts a stake through the heart of single-payer.
01:13:11.000It's one of the biggest selling points of this is not a single Democratic governor, if they've helped develop this system in their state, is going to say, oh, no, no, we'll end this and let the federal government take this from us.
01:14:21.000Okay, well, where can people read more about this bill for people who don't know?
01:14:25.000Because it's tough to kind of, you know, wade through all of the muck with this, especially...
01:14:29.000Well, actually, there are two good op-eds in the Wall Street Journal today that I would recommend to you that I think did a very good job.
01:14:33.000Obviously, you know, you can go to both Senator Cassie and Senator Graham's website that has all the details that you never want to have on the bill.
01:14:41.000A lot of the myths, they posted something up just, I think, yesterday or today, On all the misinformation, like, you know, we're not covering people with pre-existing conditions.
01:14:49.000The Jimmy Kimmel test, that's garbage.
01:14:52.000What we do is we tell the state you have to cover pre-existing conditions, but we're going to give you flexibility on how you do it.
01:14:58.000So there can be innovative solutions to provide better and more affordable care for those with pre-existing conditions.
01:15:03.000This is the kind of stuff, unless, see, for Jimmy Kimmel and for people with simple minds, and they may be the same person, that If you don't say the federal government makes you do it, then it doesn't count.
01:15:19.000There are many ways to deal with providing good, quality, accessible, and affordable healthcare, and we want to make sure that that happens and make sure everybody gets the best quality care at the best price.
01:15:30.000I want the federal government to take over late night and then watch.
01:16:41.000I got him at Lotto with CarterShop.com where you can get your shirt where the socialism is for figs and the firearm shirt and there's some really cool clothes.
01:16:53.000I have to wear the woman's one because it fits better.
01:18:58.000But I did apologize to Jared this week, and I'll apologize if I'm going to Not Gay Jared on air, because we had some issues, and he was wrong on some of them, but then I was wrong because I told him to stop acting like a little bitch.
01:19:23.000I don't want to say a pressure cooker.
01:19:25.000You'll see, again, next Thursday, while we don't have a video, while we don't have a show next Wednesday, and it's because of a super video and one that actually safety concerns.
01:20:16.000And here's how I think that most people around tend to know that.
01:20:19.000If you just look at Jared and Gerald and the people who work in this office, and I'm going to tie this around to...
01:20:27.000Well, Jimmy Kimmel, you look at Vox, you look at how just inauthentic they are with, well, we support free speech, but someone's saying that and writing that on Vox.com, right?
01:20:36.000Writing, yes, I support free speech, and then the whole article is not supporting free speech.
01:20:42.000When I see that, I don't just think, hey, this person is a liar.
01:20:48.000And what's crazy is, you know, Vox has, I don't know, how many hundreds of employees.
01:20:52.000They're comfortable putting that out there with headlines saying they support free speech and knowing they don't because they must be surrounded by people who don't know or don't care that they're a fraud.
01:21:04.000You think the people in the office at Vox don't know?
01:21:06.000They go, oh yeah, Clark said he's pro-free speech in that headline.
01:22:15.000But for me to not be a good man, or for me to not try and be a good man, would make me a fraud.
01:22:22.000And it would be an office that I could not walk into tomorrow, let alone day in and day out.
01:22:28.000If I were to come out here and tell you, hey, I believe that conservatives should do a better job, for example, of paying their employees at least a fair wage.
01:22:38.000Because I've talked about that with conservative nonprofits.
01:22:39.000I've talked about working with other conservative organizations.
01:22:41.000I've talked about media entities who offered to hire me.
01:22:47.000You've heard me talk about that on the show.
01:22:48.000If I were to say that on the show and talk about how disgusting it were and everyone in this office knew that I was paying them like crap, I'd be a fraud.
01:22:56.000If I were to come out here and say, you know what, hey, family really matters.
01:22:59.000And, you know, I think that before federal government, before state government, you're talking about the central building block is the family.
01:23:06.000And everyone in this office knew that I treated my family like crap, that I hated my wife, that I didn't have a good relationship with my parents.
01:23:17.000And I'm not just saying this because it's not to be self-aggrandizing or even any other people on this team, because they're the heroes, the unsung heroes in this story.
01:23:26.000They're the ones who are going to keep someone accountable.
01:24:25.000We've done it with lotterwithcredit.com.
01:24:27.000Courtney's not shy to let you know if she's angry about something.
01:24:30.000If you can do that with your life and set it up so that you can't be a fraud because everyone around you knows it and they'll call you out on it, that's a really good place to be.
01:24:40.000Especially if not being a good person, if not being a good man is what makes you fraudulent.
01:25:33.000Kind of a dick, you have to apologize for that.
01:25:35.000If I didn't have that, and if I didn't have that every single day at every check mark, doesn't mean I'm perfect, doesn't mean I don't have a long way to go, I would develop into the biggest fraud that you could possibly imagine because when people aren't calling you on it, all they're doing is complimenting you, all they're doing is praising you, and it becomes one big ego stroke.
01:25:53.000You wonder, how does Jimmy Kimmel get so out of touch, man?
01:25:56.000You wonder, how do the Emmys have no self-awareness whatsoever that not every single person in the country could possibly disagree?
01:26:04.000How does, like we were talking about Anne and Flynn, how do these actors in Hamilton think that it's okay to berate the Vice President of the United States?
01:26:10.000How are they not aware that half that audience might disagree?
01:26:13.000Because they have been allowed to be frauds their entire life.
01:26:17.000And that happens when you make the first decisions.
01:26:20.000Who you surround yourself with, how you act, and how you act when those people react.
01:26:26.000Being a fraud if you're not a good person, that's a really good place to be.
01:26:30.000It means you've got a solid foundation.