Louder with Crowder - #310 YOUTUBE SHOOTING COVER-UP!! Thomas Sowell and Owen Benjamin Guest | Louder With Crowder

00:00:00.000 Just play it smart out there tonight, boys.

00:00:02.000 Okay, we got Thomas Sowell on tonight, one of the most brilliant economists in the world.

00:00:06.000 YouTube's just itching for a reason to demonetize us, so we want to see a lot of hard work out there, okay?

00:00:11.000 Crying out loud, we know how to bring a laugh.

00:00:12.000 Let's just play it smart. Yeah, come on, stick him! 0.95

00:00:14.000 Yeah, f*** him! Come on! 1.00

00:00:16.000 Come on! Come on, now! 0.96

00:00:20.000 Now, we need this win tonight.

00:00:21.000 We got a lot of losses. Yeah, we got a lot of losses!

00:00:24.000 Winner! Urbana, come on!

00:00:26.000 Let's get out there, guys. It's a rear bar.

00:00:28.000 Come on, let's play heads up out there.

00:00:30.000 Man for man, we're better than any...

00:00:31.000 We're Z for Z! Yeah, Z! All right, Z for Z, we're better than any f***ing late-night show in the world.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, come on, let's go! 0.98

00:00:37.000 Come on, let's go! Come on, let's go!

00:00:41.000 Come on, come on, come on! 0.88

00:00:43.000 We can do this, guys!

00:00:44.000 Take it down, take it down! 0.91

00:00:46.000 You know what dance that is. 0.99

00:01:15.000 Back to the Hawking. So glad to have you.

00:01:17.000 That's the sound of the weekend, the last show of the week, and I couldn't be more grateful.

00:01:23.000 Unbelievable show on up today.

00:01:24.000 Thomas Sowell is on the show.

00:01:27.000 Newsbook, Discrimination and Disparities.

00:01:29.000 It kind of looks like I changed my mind to red and white there.

00:01:32.000 One of the men I've wanted to have on the show.

00:01:37.000 That's a great start. I'm sure he's thrilled that he just appeared on this program.

00:01:40.000 I've been talking about him since I met you, you've been wanting him on the show.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, I've really wanted to have him on the show, which actually leads me to a question of the day.

00:01:47.000 Who would you most like to see on the show as far as great minds?

00:01:50.000 Who do you consider to be some of the most, I guess, formidable minds of our time?

00:01:54.000 I would certainly say Thomas Sowell on there, and then in the comedy realm, Norm MacDonald, so we're We're holding out hope.

00:01:58.000 And then the second question, have you noticed the incredibly odd coverage of the YouTube shooting, which we'll talk about later?

00:02:03.000 And finally, does anyone else have allergies?

00:02:05.000 I feel as though an entire field of dandelions just decided to line up and flagellate right in my eyeball.

00:02:11.000 I don't know about anyone else out there.

00:02:12.000 Producing in the in-video studios, as always, is Jared, who is not gay. 0.98

00:02:15.000 Follow him on Twitter, not gay. Jared, meet us credit with your comments, your thoughts, your Photoshop, your life, fulfill my legal obligations, jargon, conclusions. 1.00

00:02:18.000 Are we good? Another day, not gay. 1.00

00:02:20.000 Good. And SimplifiedWine.com, a sommelier, that's a thing, at G. Morgan Jr. 0.86

00:02:23.000 How are you, sir? What's the wine of the day?

00:02:25.000 We've got the wine of the day is Baby Bear.

00:02:27.000 Baby Bear. Yeah, well, that's actually perfect because Owen Benjamin is going to be on and Baby Bear is no longer allowed on Twitter.

00:02:31.000 But you are soft, my friend, so you either need to speak into the microphone or adjust your volumes.

00:02:35.000 Are you ready for the overlays?

00:02:36.000 Beep, beep, I'm ready. And also, I'm now a cult leader on Twitter.

00:02:39.000 I know, you were telling me that. You were very concerned about it.

00:02:41.000 Ed Svencombe. He's got to go back to it.

00:02:44.000 I screwed that one up. His cult followers already know.

00:02:47.000 Send him back for an update. Owen Benjamin is on the show, by the way.

00:02:49.000 He was, I guess, OB. I don't know if he's been completely removed from Twitter.

00:02:51.000 We just, we just, he was helping us write some of these jokes this morning.

00:02:54.000 Yeah. And then after that, he was just permabanned.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, I think he's permanently banned. I don't know why, this is a good device, the book.

00:02:59.000 I see when people, this is why hosts are like, this book.

00:03:01.000 Are you going to throw it at us? I get why all these leaders, like, you know, Hitler, they're like, the book!

00:03:05.000 It's the book! It's the book!

00:03:06.000 It's the book! It's the authoritative! I know why Oprah has her face on the cover of every magazine.

00:03:10.000 That's right. Exactly. Hey, by the way, in case you didn't know, next month, O Magazine, She's on the cover.

00:03:15.000 All right. Nah.

00:03:18.000 We'll get to other news, but first, for those who are chomping at the bit, you can get your free bucket of poop at an upcoming Detroit Zoo event.

00:03:26.000 Always proud of my hometown.

00:03:27.000 This comes from MLive.com.

00:03:28.000 The first thousand people at the zoo's sixth annual Green Fest will receive a token good for one free five-gallon bucket of Detroit Zoo poop.

00:03:37.000 When asked why the free poop, Detroit zoologists specified because slim tap water wasn't available.

00:03:42.000 I... This is just, this is exactly what you would expect from Detroit, particularly if you've seen how they've branded their local tourism campaign.

00:03:53.000 Detroit Zoo.

00:03:55.000 Come for the animals.

00:03:57.000 Leave with a little piece of Detroit.

00:04:00.000 For a taste that's pure Michigan.

00:04:04.000 You know, it seems like Tim Allen will do anything nowadays as long as the Sider House Rules theme song is right behind it.

00:04:11.000 It just makes anything sound good.

00:04:13.000 Yeah. Slow motion at the Sider House Rules.

00:04:16.000 It's pure Michigan. Genius.

00:04:18.000 Watch. People who live in Michigan love that.

00:04:20.000 People who don't have no idea what we're talking about.

00:04:22.000 It's a tourism campaign and Tim Allen.

00:04:24.000 Nobody makes fun of Tim Allen.

00:04:27.000 Name that movie line, or I guess sort of series line.

00:04:30.000 By the way, hey, here's another story.

00:04:31.000 A woman said an Ancestry.com DNA test told her that she had a different father, who happened to be her parents' fertility doctor...

00:04:40.000 The test showed that her DNA matched a sample from a doctor more than 500 miles away.

00:04:44.000 At the time, Rowlett was not aware that more than 36 years ago, her parents had struggled to conceive.

00:04:52.000 There is a twist. Seeking more information, Ms.

00:04:54.000 Rowlett had her older sister take the same test, only to discover a DNA match with the milkman. 0.92

00:04:58.000 Her younger sister matched with the mailman, and unsurprisingly, her youngest brother, who wears a leather helmet, matched positive with the hobo who pees down the elevator shaft, claiming he's Jesus. 0.85

00:05:06.000 Oh my gosh. It's always the crazy person who claims he's Jesus in 2018.

00:05:12.000 It's true. Never the guy in the office.

00:05:13.000 Never anybody cool anymore.

00:05:15.000 The memo's done. By the way, I'm Jesus.

00:05:17.000 Really? Really. Good to know.

00:05:19.000 I've been this weekend. Put that on my contact information.

00:05:22.000 Lisa explains why every doctor's visit was accompanied by chocolate and roses.

00:05:25.000 And AstroGlide, technically, you were saying this, technically...

00:05:29.000 Technically, the fertility doctor did his job.

00:05:32.000 You can't take that away from him.

00:05:33.000 All sales are final.

00:05:36.000 Imagine the mother rationalizing that. 1.00

00:05:38.000 You know where your good genes come from now.

00:05:40.000 Dear, he charges.

00:05:42.000 I don't think this was a redneck family, and I actually resent that presumption.

00:05:46.000 Yeah, absolutely. Probably Arkansas.

00:05:48.000 We have standards. Let's get lighter, because this news has been so heavy.

00:05:50.000 Let's watch this Russian postal drone smash into a wall on its inaugural flight. 0.70

00:05:54.000 Roll clip. Here it goes.

00:05:58.000 Beautiful. In Soviet Russia, our mail will be a sight to behold for an entire- Oh, crap. 0.98

00:06:09.000 Good news is that in Russia, it's a flat rate for next day killing. 0.98

00:06:13.000 That's convenient. In an unsurprising turn of events, the drone turned out to be manned by the only Chinese drone pilot in Russia.

00:06:18.000 So I know someone's going to fact check and say, they're not pilots if they're manning a drone.

00:06:23.000 Here's the thing, we don't care.

00:06:25.000 Some people are saying, that's racist.

00:06:27.000 Maybe. A Japanese couple apologized for ignoring their work pregnancy timetable by conceiving, quote, before their turn.

00:06:36.000 This comes from the Telegraph.

00:06:38.000 Japanese worker...

00:06:40.000 I don't think we want to break the name because, you know, she deserves her non-animity. 0.92

00:06:45.000 That's the problem she needs to worry about.

00:06:46.000 She's been reprimanded by her boss for selfishly breaking the rules after she became pregnant before it was her turn. 1.00

00:06:50.000 The couple formally met with the director to apologize about the pregnancy in person.

00:06:55.000 And they actually did it before that by phone.

00:06:57.000 And we have the exclusive audio of that call.

00:07:01.000 I'm so sorry. Forgiveness, please.

00:07:03.000 Forgiveness? Why forgiveness?

00:07:06.000 I am with her baby.

00:07:07.000 With her baby? Yes! 0.78

00:07:10.000 Forgiveness! No! No forgiveness!

00:07:12.000 You have to wait ten!

00:07:14.000 You bring great shame!

00:07:16.000 Yes! I bring great shame!

00:07:18.000 How you get with have a baby?

00:07:20.000 With a husband! So sorry!

00:07:21.000 Forgiveness! You make love to husband? 0.89

00:07:23.000 Yes! Forgiveness! No!

00:07:25.000 No forgiveness! Even more shame!

00:07:28.000 You make love many times?

00:07:29.000 Yes! Many times!

00:07:31.000 Forgiveness! No forgiveness!

00:07:33.000 You make fun with have sex! 0.99

00:07:35.000 What? You make a doggy! 1.00

00:07:36.000 I'm not the other! Oh, boom boom!

00:07:38.000 Please! You make me uncomfortable.

00:07:40.000 Forgive me. No, you no, baby.

00:07:42.000 You no, doggy. You seppuku.

00:07:45.000 No, seppuku.

00:07:47.000 You. For all the shame. 0.89

00:07:53.000 I'll leave the office You know, we often get people asking us, you get these exclusive calls, but why don't they speak in their native tongue?

00:08:01.000 It's always in English. It's always in English.

00:08:03.000 It's just as vexing to us.

00:08:05.000 By the way, keep fine. We ask ourselves the same thing.

00:08:07.000 As Retitis said, they have all the same freedoms in Japan, so... 0.84

00:08:10.000 Yes, they do. Don't let this story...

00:08:12.000 We'll talk about the YouTube shooting and just some overall startling statistics that are ignored by the media.

00:08:16.000 People should go and watch the John Lott interview yesterday.

00:08:18.000 But a great example is this idea that controlling guns will reduce suicides.

00:08:22.000 Japan has, I think, some of the strictest gun control in the world.

00:08:24.000 The highest suicide rate in the industrialized world, I believe.

00:08:27.000 That's because I have to have babies in turn.

00:08:29.000 Yeah. You know, someone else once told me that if you were to judge Quebec separately as its own country as opposed to a province, that it would have number two.

00:08:35.000 I haven't been able to find sources on that.

00:08:36.000 If someone can send that to me, at S. Crowder, I've heard it.

00:08:40.000 I cannot substantiate it, but I've heard that multiple times.

00:08:42.000 Isn't Switzerland as well? Like, really high?

00:08:44.000 I've never heard of that.

00:08:45.000 I thought it was. Sven Computer, do you know if that's true or not?

00:08:47.000 They're pretty close. I only know that we can't annex them.

00:08:49.000 Okay. Yeah.

00:08:53.000 Always thinking about the next war.

00:08:55.000 Speaking of annexing, said the rest of the world, it's time for this week's Eye on India segment. 0.97

00:09:00.000 Why do we single out India? 0.70

00:09:08.000 Because it's a terrible place. 0.96

00:09:09.000 It is terrible. And also because people like to act as though it's not.

00:09:13.000 They go there on spiritual quests.

00:09:14.000 So, you know what? We'd like to warn you.

00:09:17.000 This is why. We have so many stories from India.

00:09:18.000 Every time we do it, we're global. We're globalists when it comes to news.

00:09:21.000 According to an Indian professor.

00:09:23.000 Did you guys read this article?

00:09:24.000 Yeah, this is great.

00:09:25.000 And a doctor, from what I hear. 0.93

00:09:26.000 Women who wear jeans give birth to transgenders and autistic children. 1.00

00:09:31.000 From India today.

00:09:33.000 Rajiv Kumar, a botany lecturer, so he's staying in his lane, at Khaledi Street Sankara College said on television, a woman who dresses up like a man, a woman who dresses up like a man, what will the character of the child she gives birth to be?

00:09:47.000 These children are called transgenders or nebulkunkumsakumsihidra. 0.86

00:09:52.000 Someone's going to pronounce that correctly. 0.94

00:09:54.000 He also later added that, and women who wear miniskirts should call me.

00:10:00.000 It's science. Very self-serving.

00:10:01.000 Tor-free. Tor-free. And what's funny is he was adamant about his opinion.

00:10:06.000 We have from the same article, speaking on a TV show recently, he defended his remarks, doubling down, saying they were based, quote, on science and years of experience.

00:10:15.000 Which, in his defense, we believe stems from the recently published Double Blind Placebo Controlled Wranglers Make Retards Study. 0.85

00:10:21.000 You can search that one on PubMed.

00:10:25.000 The vies are still in question.

00:10:27.000 We don't know yet. Fate of glory.

00:10:29.000 Low rise, the jury is still out.

00:10:32.000 If anybody asks us, man, why are you picking on India?

00:10:34.000 That story right there. That's exactly why.

00:10:36.000 You're making it too easy, India. He's on television. 1.00

00:10:38.000 Although they probably look at our country with this next story and say, you're no better to you.

00:10:42.000 I say, eh, okay, you got a point.

00:10:43.000 Because Robert De Niro says that there's no use in reaching across the aisle at all to Trump supporters.

00:10:48.000 Oh. In a recent interview, he said, the people that I care about are those young people who demonstrated.

00:10:53.000 They're the future. They know.

00:10:54.000 They say we'll remember in November. They're the ones who feel the way we do, not the way the gun lovers and the NRA do with all that idiocy to the point of absurdity. 1.00

00:11:01.000 He then said, we're at a point with all of us where this is beyond trying to see another person's point of view. 0.94

00:11:07.000 There are ways you can talk about that, but we're at a point where the things that are

00:11:10.000 happening in our country are so bad, and it comes from Trump.

00:11:15.000 He went on citing examples, blaming Trump, of course, for a lackluster economy, political

00:11:18.000 divisiveness, as well as Rocky and Bullwinkle, Stardust, analyze that, hide and seek, the

00:11:22.000 family, grudge match, the intern, the big wedding, dirty grandpa, meet the Fockers, 1.00

00:11:25.000 little Fockers, his entire post-2006 catalog, aside from Silver Linings Playbook and alimony

00:11:29.000 slash child support 2-2-X-Y.

00:11:31.000 You. 0.97

00:11:33.000 laughs You're a bad president. I don't think that's a...

00:11:37.000 Yes, it is!

00:11:38.000 It's the bad president!

00:11:40.000 At best, I've heard people describe the intern as cute.

00:11:43.000 Yeah. Which is the last review, raving review, any director wants to hear.

00:11:47.000 Also, the first time Anne Hathaway has been associated with anything called cute.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you feel about The Godfather?

00:11:52.000 It was cute. It was cute, yeah.

00:11:54.000 Great. It was encouraging.

00:11:55.000 Thanks. That's what we were going for.

00:11:57.000 Your personality. Yes. Alright, speaking of which, we have to move on to our dive inside the YouTube shooting!

00:12:02.000 It's odd, isn't it, that we haven't been talking about her at all?

00:12:06.000 No. Not at all.

00:12:08.000 It disappeared. It was...

00:12:09.000 As quickly as it came, it went.

00:12:12.000 Kaiser Cersei. It's just gone.

00:12:13.000 Like a fart in the wind. Everything we know, like the pollen in my eyes.

00:12:18.000 I don't know if I watch. People are going to say, he's on coke.

00:12:20.000 A little bit.

00:12:24.000 To fix the dandelions.

00:12:26.000 Yes, to fix the dandelions.

00:12:27.000 Everyone knows. It's the antidote.

00:12:29.000 You find the antidotes in the most surprising places.

00:12:32.000 Like snake venom needs just a different kind of snake venom.

00:12:36.000 Pollen? Cocaine.

00:12:37.000 A little heroin will do that. Plant?

00:12:39.000 It's another plant. It's natural, right?

00:12:41.000 It's natural, man. Well, so is cocaine.

00:12:43.000 So is mercury. Cocaine is natural.

00:12:46.000 I don't fool around with anything synthetic.

00:12:49.000 Just cocaine for this cowboy.

00:12:51.000 Okay. None of that methamphetamine.

00:12:54.000 I don't know where that's been.

00:12:56.000 Pure coke. Everything we know about her. 0.68

00:12:58.000 Okay. Nisam Agdam30.

00:13:00.000 Agdam, am I pronouncing that correctly there, Sven Computer?

00:13:03.000 Is that the pronunciation? I think so, yeah.

00:13:04.000 Nisam Agdam. Oh, there we go. Great. 0.54

00:13:06.000 I feel great that I go to you for my information and make sure that I'm correct.

00:13:09.000 I think so. I'm not really sure.

00:13:11.000 My mind was somewhere else.

00:13:13.000 I was thinking about how he screwed up.

00:13:15.000 Throughout history, we really haven't gotten a try.

00:13:17.000 Replace him with a Google Home. Yes.

00:13:22.000 Alexa, wipe our history. 1.00

00:13:26.000 39 years old, Iranian heritage, PETA activist, vegan.

00:13:30.000 She wounded three, shot herself.

00:13:31.000 Because we call it a happy ending.

00:13:34.000 She shot herself.

00:13:37.000 And also, by the way, forensic scientists believe the damage could have been much worse had she had any B12 in her body.

00:13:43.000 Or if she were a man. 0.60

00:13:44.000 Women aren't even good mass shooters. So here's... 1.00

00:13:47.000 They can't even mass shoot as well.

00:13:49.000 And by the way, for everyone wondering what happened here, there's a lot of evidence, strong evidence, that this shooter had a problem with mental illness.

00:13:56.000 Don't believe me? Here's Taylor the tape.

00:13:58.000 Oh no, the worst is yet to come!

00:14:01.000 Hahahahaha! 0.90

00:14:03.000 Hello FBI, I have a tip!

00:14:08.000 Yeah. She looks like Michael Jackson in transition.

00:14:12.000 Well, she looks like Michael Jackson after the transition in a parallel universe where the surgery was conducted with nothing more than spent up garbage parts from a salvage yard.

00:14:22.000 So one thing that really struck me, and this is why I'm really curious what the rest of you have noticed, is the difference in how the media covered this versus other shootings.

00:14:29.000 Have you guys seen this? They're still talking about Parkland, no mention of Sutherland Springs.

00:14:32.000 No one mentioned the YouTube shooting.

00:14:34.000 At all? The second biggest tech company, I guess the first biggest tech company, because it's Google, but YouTube, right behind Facebook.

00:14:40.000 I think the biggest website is Google, then Facebook, and then YouTube, I believe.

00:14:43.000 Number one, two, and three. So, shooting at the number three, arguably number one tech company, no headlines.

00:14:52.000 Already gone, two days later. Look at the HuffPo and the last story on MSNBC. You can see this here.

00:14:56.000 And something that I loved about Huffington Post, they said, look, they go, motive's still unclear.

00:15:01.000 Notice one thing? It's the police officer.

00:15:03.000 They don't even show her mugshot.

00:15:05.000 They don't even show her picture. Anytime it's a male shooter, a white male shooter, it's just Dylan Rue.

00:15:10.000 It's right up there. This is the face of domestic terrorism. 0.50

00:15:13.000 Yeah, along with the rebels. Now they just show the cop, because they're like, let's show the white male involved in our reporting.

00:15:18.000 It's horrible, because every time I go to a comic book movie now, I just assume it's full of mass shooters, because they all look like that.

00:15:25.000 They all look like the mass shooter.

00:15:26.000 They condition me. You don't see many of this...

00:15:29.000 What's her name? Nisam Agdam. 0.99

00:15:31.000 Nisam Agdam. Probably not going to be in Avengers Age of Ultron.

00:15:33.000 No. Because she did. Or didn't have the energy. 0.98

00:15:36.000 Something else that was also really striking, I didn't notice a lot of people writing about this, Mashable.

00:15:41.000 Let's see if you can spot the difference here between the actual picture and Mashable.

00:15:45.000 What? Yep. They lightened the skin and her eyes didn't even try! 1.00

00:15:51.000 The skin is one thing that's like, okay, maybe that's just a filter.

00:15:54.000 Maybe they just Instagrammed that bad boy.

00:15:56.000 But the eye color, that's not a filter!

00:15:57.000 They took their iPhone wand and put it...

00:16:00.000 Hold on, that was meant to remove red eye. 0.99

00:16:03.000 No, we're just going to change the actual tint.

00:16:06.000 That's better for us. It's very reminiscent of...

00:16:08.000 Her name is Stacy. Her name is Stacy now.

00:16:11.000 And she transitioned to Stefan.

00:16:14.000 Ugh. White male terrorist. 0.99

00:16:17.000 Reminiscent all of this. I think of the... 0.98

00:16:18.000 Remember the Fort Lauderdale shooting?

00:16:19.000 I don't know if you remember this. I was beside myself.

00:16:21.000 They call Esteban Santiago, who's labeled a white Hispanic.

00:16:25.000 I don't know what that means!

00:16:27.000 Oh my gosh. White Hispanic. 1.00

00:16:28.000 And of course, part of the reason for this difference is that it didn't fit the narrative of the white male shooter, which is what the leftist media loves to claim is the trend.

00:16:35.000 This doesn't go with it. Another clip.

00:16:37.000 Oyna kuzum, oyna, oyna kuzum, oyna, oyna kuzum, oyna, oyna kuzum, oyna, oyna kuzum, oyna, oyna kuzum.

00:16:49.000 It's like that dancing baby gif when the internet first started combined with a child's nightmare.

00:16:55.000 I don't know why that wasn't monetized.

00:16:56.000 It makes me feel so much better about this show.

00:16:58.000 Production value is way up here.

00:16:59.000 It does. I feel good about myself.

00:17:01.000 You said you had something you wanted to say on this.

00:17:03.000 Well, this happened in California.

00:17:05.000 I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but strong gun laws?

00:17:08.000 Pretty strict gun laws there in California.

00:17:10.000 Also, by the way, YouTube, Google, not a hotbed for gun culture.

00:17:14.000 Which is also just even more damning because you sent a woman into a virtually gun-free state and she still couldn't come up with any victories. 0.91

00:17:20.000 Well, hold on a second. She did injure three people.

00:17:21.000 Injure three people. You don't want to make light of that.

00:17:23.000 But she shot herself. But she shot herself.

00:17:26.000 By the way, no, listen, it's always sad when someone loses a life, but not equally sad.

00:17:32.000 When you're shooting at other people, it's like...

00:17:34.000 Put it this way, if I had the power, if I could do the...

00:17:37.000 What do you call the power? Is it ESP? What's the power where you can actually control people with your minds?

00:17:40.000 If I had the Jedi... If I were there at YouTube, that's exactly what I would do.

00:17:45.000 If she were shooting at people, I'd go... 0.99

00:17:48.000 No! Sorry! Them's the breaks!

00:17:51.000 And then go to lunch. Thomas Sowell coming up after the break.

00:17:53.000 One trend that we do see is that just like the Parkland shooting, we are looking for actual trends.

00:17:58.000 Police were warned beforehand, but did nothing.

00:18:01.000 Now to be fair, they claim that they didn't have any reason to detain her, and that's obviously, you can't just detain someone for no reason.

00:18:08.000 Though again, tale of the tape!

00:18:09.000 Wah! Wah! 0.99

00:18:13.000 Wah! Yeah. 0.98

00:18:21.000 I mean, what does it take for you to show up at their house and bring them to the quiet room with the white jacket and the arms crossed?

00:18:27.000 Somebody get her an intern or something. 1.00

00:18:29.000 And for crying out loud, the standards have become so stringent.

00:18:31.000 A long time ago, you know, you said the fridge was talking to you.

00:18:34.000 They put you in a pool and gave you electroshock therapy.

00:18:36.000 This broad's uploading like it's her job. 1.00

00:18:39.000 You can't do anything? I suppose that whole day uploading and manual review of all the videos.

00:18:45.000 That is a hard balance, though. Obviously, you can't infringe on people's rights just because someone says she's crazy.

00:18:50.000 Listen, I don't know a whole lot about Iran.

00:18:52.000 This could be the norm. 0.88

00:18:55.000 For all we know, she could be batting a hundred for non-crazy Iranians. 1.00

00:18:58.000 I have no idea. I know about her and Ahmadinejad and Annie Cyrus, and she seems normal, so I guess that's the only contrast. 0.88

00:19:05.000 The real trend, and we'll talk about this probably with Thomas Sowell after this, what do you think this had?

00:19:10.000 It wasn't white male.

00:19:12.000 It wasn't politics.

00:19:15.000 It wasn't religion. What do you think this has had in common with other mass shootings?

00:19:20.000 98% of public mass shootings, in fact.

00:19:24.000 Gun-free zone! 0.85

00:19:25.000 It was committed in a gun-free zone.

00:19:28.000 Also something else that we don't talk about.

00:19:29.000 Do you know another commonality here?

00:19:32.000 It was stopped.

00:19:36.000 Someone with a gun. Yes.

00:19:37.000 Bad person with a gun. Usually stopped by a good person with a gun.

00:19:39.000 Either a good Samaritan, a police officer, or in this case, bad girl turned good girl when she shot herself because she took out the perp.

00:19:47.000 She still was taken out.

00:19:49.000 Yes. That's weird. Yeah, I don't know what to do with that now.

00:19:50.000 Where is the person who killed Hitler?

00:19:52.000 Heaven or hell? Think about it.

00:19:55.000 Sven's conflicted. He's like, oh, I know what I should say if I want to stay on my visa, but I know how I feel.

00:20:04.000 Committed in a gun-free zone and something else stopped by someone with a gun, which might explain why this person who was there at the shooting, well, let him explain it for himself.

00:20:12.000 What's going through your mind with, I mean, people dropping, being shot multiple times, bullets whizzing, people bleeding?

00:20:19.000 What's going through your mind? Well, Leslie was on my mind, but at the same time, I knew, you know, I had to be smart.

00:20:27.000 You know, you gotta be smart.

00:20:29.000 You gotta think fast because smart.

00:20:31.000 I didn't have a gun on me, but I wish I did.

00:20:34.000 By the way, did anyone else not expect that voice to come out of that face?

00:20:37.000 And he's like, you gotta be fast.

00:20:39.000 I'm like, you don't look fast. You look like an Okinawan fisherman. 1.00

00:20:42.000 Well, you know, you gotta be smart.

00:20:43.000 Oh, wow, really?

00:20:45.000 That's the voice coming out of that body.

00:20:47.000 Surprised me, but yeah, he wished he had a gun.

00:20:49.000 And you know what? I can understand where he's coming from.

00:20:50.000 If you saw this walk into your office or neighborhood, you might feel the same way.

00:20:54.000 Sadness, hair, crying, saw your food, oh my brain, look at that meat, it looks like your next heart attack.

00:21:01.000 Life's a game, wanna play?

00:21:04.000 It's taking everything I have to not reach for my concealed carry piece right now.

00:21:09.000 And you know what else? The reason I want to stay here with you?

00:21:11.000 I have a reason to live. Thomas Sowell coming up after the break right now.

00:21:15.000 I'm excited nervous I

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00:23:11.000 All right. I'm so glad to have our next guest on.

00:23:20.000 to have our next guest on.

00:23:21.000 Actually, this is one of the rare instances I had to go into my office and just kind of meditate during the break because I had so many questions I wanted to ask.

00:23:26.000 There are only a handful of people, one of whom we've already had on, George St.

00:23:30.000 Pierre in athletics. We had him on the show.

00:23:32.000 Norm Macdonald in comedy, hopefully someday.

00:23:34.000 And then when it comes to economists, social thinkers, philosophers.

00:23:38.000 This next guy. For those of you who don't know, he is an American economist, social theorist, I guess political philosopher, currently a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute, and his latest book is Discrimination and Disparities, though it is one in a long catalog of many, and one of the people I look up to most.

00:23:57.000 Mr. Thomas Sowell, thank you for being here, sir.

00:24:00.000 Thank you for having me.

00:24:02.000 Well, listen, I always wanted to ask you this because I've always wondered, do greats know when they are great?

00:24:10.000 And I've talked about this on the show.

00:24:11.000 You know, black rednecks and white liberals was huge, economic facts and fallacies for me growing up. 1.00

00:24:15.000 And in college, where they teach Karl Marx, I said, well, they should teach Adam Smith, Keynes, Hayek.

00:24:19.000 And I had to learn Chomsky.

00:24:21.000 I've always said, I wish they put Thomas Sowell's mandatory reading alongside of it.

00:24:25.000 How does it feel to be arguably the most influential Certainly probably the most influential conservative economist of our time.

00:24:33.000 I know you have to be humble, but has it set in?

00:24:36.000 I mean, because you're that guy. Well, I never contradict the opinions of people who say good things about me.

00:24:44.000 Because there are so few of them.

00:24:48.000 But I really don't know.

00:24:50.000 It would be impossible to be objective about oneself.

00:24:54.000 And so I never tried the impossible.

00:24:56.000 Well, okay, that's a brilliant answer.

00:24:57.000 And I will say this. I never have felt better about myself than seeing, when I was doing research on you recently, seeing people insult Thomas Sowell.

00:25:04.000 I realized it doesn't matter who you are. 0.97

00:25:06.000 They called him a racist and a dummy.

00:25:08.000 I'm like, if they say it about Thomas Sowell, why do I even try to appease them?

00:25:12.000 Let me ask you this. In your longest, I know obviously you'll say the latest book, for those who don't know Discrimination and Disparities, is incredible.

00:25:19.000 And I'm sure you'd consider it among your best.

00:25:21.000 But with such an extensive catalog, for a lot of young people watching today who may not be super familiar with you, you know, 18-year-olds, if you had to pick one or two of your books as sort of your crowning achievement or the one you'd recommend most, is there one that sticks out?

00:25:35.000 Well, if it's the one that I recommend most, it would be basic economics, because that's where most people are most lacking.

00:25:42.000 And so there are other books I've written that represent more of an intellectual effort on my part, but that's really not the criteria when you're recommending something for their benefit.

00:25:52.000 And that's the book that has, in fact, sold the most copies and been translated into the most foreign languages.

00:25:58.000 Yeah. And it was fundamental for me.

00:25:59.000 I talked about this growing up in college.

00:26:01.000 I remember I was a conservative by nature.

00:26:03.000 And I said, where do I really go if I really want to learn and read up on this?

00:26:07.000 And someone actually gave me, I think it was actually basic economics, handed it to me, and that was my start.

00:26:13.000 So, an incredible book for those who are in their formative years.

00:26:16.000 Let me ask you about this latest book.

00:26:18.000 I want to talk about this. Discrimination and Disparities, for people who don't know, it's available pretty much everywhere because he's Thomas Sowell.

00:26:23.000 More relevant today than I think possibly in my lifetime for both the right and the left.

00:26:29.000 And I don't know if you've seen this quite a bit, sort of with the rise of this new right contingency.

00:26:33.000 The left is either inaccurate or misleading, we know, in so many facets of the economy, culture, not the least of which is how they use identity politics.

00:26:39.000 But now there's this contingency, and Jared was talking about this, on the right, not the mainstream right, but semi-French who play the same game.

00:26:45.000 Namely, they claim that race largely determines IQ, IQ largely determines socioeconomic status, thus different races are doomed to different socioeconomic fates, period.

00:26:53.000 Your book posits a very different argument, doesn't it?

00:26:57.000 And a very convincing one. Well, yes.

00:27:01.000 The two main explanations of disparities in the 20th century and in our own time are, one, genetics, and two, discrimination.

00:27:14.000 And the irony is that American progressives have taken the lead, took the lead, in both those cases.

00:27:20.000 That is, 100 years ago, American progressives We're completely on the side of genetic determinism.

00:27:41.000 Yes. It is virtually impossible that there could be any such thing as equal outcomes for different groups.

00:27:51.000 Let me give you one simple example that is ignored almost universally.

00:27:57.000 Different groups have different median ages.

00:28:00.000 Japanese Americans have a median age of 50.

00:28:03.000 Right. Mexican Americans have a median age of 26.

00:28:07.000 Now, why would you ever expect to see Japanese Americans Why would you expect a group with an immediate age of 26 to be represented Professional occupations like, say, surgeons or high managerial executive positions that require long years of education and long years of experience. 1.00

00:28:41.000 How many 26-year-olds, from any ethnic background, would qualify for such jobs?

00:28:47.000 But the discussions go on as if age is not a factor.

00:28:52.000 Right. Incidentally, this is also true internationally.

00:28:54.000 I mean, there are any number of countries where the median age is over 40 And in many other countries where the median age is under 20, there's no way you should expect them to have the same outcomes when those outcomes require a great deal of knowledge, experience, and so on.

00:29:13.000 Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's a great point, and obviously one of the main macro points in your book.

00:29:16.000 We see the same thing in media.

00:29:18.000 You see it with, obviously, I think the median age of Fox News viewers is in their 70s, and so the ads are different.

00:29:23.000 The same thing, when we were looking at sponsorships, we said, well, hold on, people actually watch this show for an average of half an hour or more.

00:29:29.000 What do you mean? That determines the ad rates, how long people stay with it.

00:29:33.000 Time is a huge factor, which you often don't necessarily see discussed.

00:29:37.000 Could you maybe expand on more so the myth that if not for discrimination...

00:29:42.000 Society would have equal representation in careers, income, education, and incarceration, because that's the huge sort of, I guess, main tenet of leftism that's taught on campus.

00:29:51.000 If not for discrimination, we'd all have these equal representation outcomes.

00:29:56.000 You put your finger on the key assumption on which the whole...

00:30:00.000 It's like the keystone that holds up the whole structure, and you remove that, and they don't have very much.

00:30:07.000 Age is one of those things, but what people desire to do matters.

00:30:11.000 Right. You know, for all I know, I might have been born with genes that would have enabled me to become another Rudolf Nureyev as a male ballet dancer.

00:30:23.000 Okay. If I was, it was a total waste of genes.

00:30:25.000 Because where I grew up, nobody ever thought about, no guy has ever thought about becoming male ballet dancers.

00:30:33.000 So it doesn't matter what their abilities were.

00:30:36.000 It doesn't matter whether the opposition or the gates of opportunity were wide open.

00:30:43.000 They weren't going to become male ballet dancers.

00:30:46.000 But what people want to do is huge.

00:30:50.000 And you look, for example, I mean, why are there no Asian-American basketball players?

00:30:55.000 Because they don't want to play basketball.

00:30:58.000 Well, can we say maybe height plays a factor as well there?

00:31:02.000 It might, but again, with age, you don't find Japanese Americans as baseball stars. 0.89

00:31:12.000 There have been baseball stars of Japanese ancestry.

00:31:16.000 Every one of them was born in Japan.

00:31:18.000 They were not Japanese Americans. 0.64

00:31:20.000 And the more you look into either people or nature, you find disparities everywhere, all over the world, at all kinds of things.

00:31:30.000 And yet when you come to people's talk, the talk is about how everything would be even.

00:31:36.000 Let me throw another one to nail the point. 0.86

00:31:41.000 Geography. You know, people who live up in mountains on any continent are not the same as people who live in the river valleys.

00:31:50.000 The people in river valleys almost invariably have higher incomes, more education, they're more advanced The people in the mountains tend to lag behind.

00:32:00.000 One study was done.

00:32:02.000 Coastal people seem to be far more prosperous than people that live inland.

00:32:08.000 One study pointed out that something like 8% of the world's population lived on coast in the temperate zone, but they produced something like But 8% of the land is like that.

00:32:25.000 But 23% of the world's population lives there.

00:32:28.000 And they produce 53% of the world's output.

00:32:31.000 I mean, the circumstances matter hugely, and those circumstances are almost never the same for everybody.

00:32:37.000 That's very interesting, you know, that you bring that up.

00:32:38.000 I would wonder if we would talk about the economic disparity of the coastal cities.

00:32:41.000 There's sort of that legacy wealth, because back in the day, before technology, you had to be on the coast, right, for mainline shipping.

00:32:48.000 Any kind, if you want to do any international commerce.

00:32:50.000 And again, that's one thing you could look at as geography, or you could look at it from some kind of economic standpoint.

00:32:56.000 You know, something that was really telling to me, when we were just talking about socialism, And I'm sure you're familiar with this.

00:33:01.000 You just talked about geography.

00:33:02.000 When we talk about Denmark and these Norwegian countries, when we talk about their economic status, one thing that's often not mentioned is actually Swedish.

00:33:11.000 It's true, they do better than the average American, but Swedish Americans, Danish Americans, on average, have a 55% higher lifestyle, not life expectancy.

00:33:21.000 What's the word I'm looking for here? Life expectancy.

00:33:23.000 No, not life expectancy. I'm trying to think.

00:33:26.000 What's the word? See, with Thomas O. I get nervous.

00:33:28.000 Life expectancy. Quality of life.

00:33:29.000 Quality of life. 55% higher quality of life on average than the Danes in Denmark.

00:33:35.000 And that's something that, again, we'll throw everyone for a loop when you bring that up.

00:33:39.000 And it's very easily found.

00:33:42.000 Yes, yes. In a previous book, I went into these geographic differences, and they're just astonishing.

00:33:49.000 And sometimes it takes just one...

00:33:53.000 Discrimination and Disparities book in the first chapter, I go into the fact that the firstborn child does so much better than the laterborn children.

00:34:01.000 And here you have both the heredity and the environment is the same as these are normally defined, and yet you find a complete over-representation of firstborn children and of the only child in so many areas.

00:34:17.000 One strikes me at once is astronauts.

00:34:22.000 The Apollo astronauts who got a man on the moon, 29 of them, 22 of them were either first born or an only child.

00:34:31.000 Why is that? Do we have any sort of causation?

00:34:34.000 We don't fully know, but I make the argument and show some evidence that it's the parental input, because the only kind of child that does better than the first born is the only child.

00:34:46.000 And what he gets that the others don't get is full parental attention.

00:34:50.000 The firstborn is an only child for a while.

00:34:54.000 So I think that's crucial.

00:34:56.000 Also, if you look at twins, twins average several points lower IQ than people who are born singly.

00:35:03.000 And yet, where one of the twins is still born or dies early, then the other one has an IQ not very different from those of people who are born singly.

00:35:13.000 So parental input is just huge.

00:35:16.000 And that varies enormously from group to group.

00:35:19.000 Yeah, it is fascinating.

00:35:21.000 I believe my producer has a question.

00:35:23.000 What you're saying is that would mean that the first few years of someone's life are incredibly formative.

00:35:29.000 Because that's the only period of time they live without another sibling.

00:35:32.000 Would live as an only child. They're equally two children of the parents who have to split time.

00:35:38.000 Do you think that's a big reason why, Mr.

00:35:40.000 Soule, the formative years early on?

00:35:41.000 Oh, yes. In fact, in doing the research, I thought of my own life.

00:35:46.000 Had my parents lived out a normal life, I would have been the sixth child in the family.

00:35:50.000 They both died young.

00:35:52.000 I was raised from infancy as an only child in a family of four adults.

00:35:59.000 A complete, huge difference from what would have been otherwise.

00:36:03.000 So it was a great misfortune and my good fortune.

00:36:06.000 I was going to say, that explains why he's such an overachiever.

00:36:09.000 Thomas Sowley makes the rest of us look like bottom dwellers.

00:36:12.000 I need foreparents now. Yeah, exactly.

00:36:14.000 That's exactly what you need. Let me ask you this.

00:36:18.000 Two final questions.

00:36:19.000 How much does IQ itself determine socioeconomic status?

00:36:23.000 That's obviously a big point of controversy with different factions right now.

00:36:27.000 And I know you write about it in your book, but for people who are listening or watching...

00:36:31.000 Well, I guess there's a high correlation between IQ and success in a lot of areas.

00:36:37.000 But as I also point out in the first chapter of my book, there are people who never made the IQ cutoff of 140 for a major study at Stanford.

00:36:48.000 Who went on to win a Nobel Prize in physics.

00:36:53.000 And yet none of the 1,500 people who did make that IQ cut off, none of them won a Nobel Prize in anything.

00:37:02.000 So it's not determinative.

00:37:03.000 I think the IQ itself is a product of circumstances.

00:37:07.000 And that's true. The firstborn has a higher IQ than his siblings right after him.

00:37:13.000 Right. That is fascinating.

00:37:14.000 And I know a lot of people have been arguing the opposite, but this book puts forward a tremendous case.

00:37:19.000 Let me ask you a final question here, because obviously right now I'm sure you're well aware of the gun debate going on in the country, and you've weighed in on this before.

00:37:26.000 At what point do we say, okay, here is a clear-cut case where correlation to causation here?

00:37:32.000 We can look at this graph and determine it.

00:37:34.000 One to me that stands out, we've been talking about this quite a bit, with the gun debate, you know, 98% of public mass shootings occur in gun-free zones.

00:37:42.000 Seems to me that's pretty cut and dry, one that's never talked about.

00:37:45.000 In your opinion, when does it cross that barrier where, okay, we can definitively say this is the reason?

00:37:51.000 Well, I think for gun control people, it will never cross that barrier because they will never discuss it in those terms.

00:37:58.000 When did you ever see any gun control advocate?

00:38:02.000 We've come up with numbers to show that gun control reduces murders.

00:38:09.000 There's a huge volume of evidence out there.

00:38:12.000 Think of it. There are 50 states, each having all kinds of different gun laws.

00:38:17.000 There are all kinds of ways they could be compared.

00:38:19.000 Think of all the countries around the world with different gun laws, different periods of history when there were different gun laws.

00:38:25.000 And so you have a mountain of evidence if you were looking for evidence.

00:38:29.000 Instead, they just simply assume from day one that if you have tighter gun laws, you'll have less murder rates.

00:38:36.000 And there's tons of empirical evidence pointing just in the opposite direction.

00:38:41.000 Right. Yeah, it really is.

00:38:42.000 That's a very important point, Mr.

00:38:45.000 Soll. Empirical data.

00:38:46.000 Just like when we talk about healthcare and people say, well, do you like your healthcare?

00:38:49.000 And it goes by a poll. I'm going, no, no, hold on a second.

00:38:50.000 Let's go by mortality rates.

00:38:52.000 Let's go by wait times. Let's go by empirical data.

00:38:54.000 And that is the world in which Thomas Soll lives.

00:38:57.000 The book, of course, is discrimination and disparities.

00:39:01.000 I'm just all nervous.

00:39:02.000 I will admit, I'm nervous.

00:39:03.000 Yeah. I'm nervous here.

00:39:04.000 This guy is a rock star to me.

00:39:06.000 Mr. Sowell, I thank you so much for being on the show and look forward to anything you put out.

00:39:10.000 I can't thank you enough. Thank you for having me.

00:39:13.000 Absolutely. And we'll be back after this with Owen Benjamin.

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00:41:54.000 I had on the back burner in case they took me out, and they took that out too.

00:41:59.000 Hold on a second. Are you suspended or are you banned?

00:42:03.000 Suspended permanently, I believe, because I saw a little widget pop up that said, Donald Trump Jr.

00:42:10.000 no longer follows you, and then I realized that they blocked everyone who followed me and unfollowed everybody and then suspended me.

00:42:16.000 Huh. I've never even heard of that.

00:42:19.000 Yeah, it's really, I think it was something that happened in upper management, because it was, I think they got, because I don't even know how they knew about Owen Bergeman.

00:42:29.000 I don't think it's that hard to figure out.

00:42:31.000 I don't think, you didn't tackle like a trail of breadcrumbs, like, they'll never find me, see?

00:42:36.000 It's pretty easy to Hansel and Gretel to Owen Bergeman.

00:42:39.000 And if you didn't tell them, all the unbearables who follow it did immediately.

00:42:45.000 Yeah, yeah. Meet them at Owen Bergeman.

00:42:47.000 And they're like, ha ha ha, no more Bergeman.

00:42:50.000 Like, well, that was easy.

00:42:52.000 Let's go have lunch. So what happened?

00:42:54.000 And you've lost your live streaming on YouTube.

00:42:55.000 So you still have YouTube, but it's just a strike.

00:42:58.000 So that's good. People should know that.

00:42:59.000 You're not banned from YouTube.

00:43:01.000 Hopefully we'll talk about that sometime off air and see what we can do.

00:43:05.000 But sometimes if it's a community guideline, it's like...

00:43:08.000 No one knows what their policies are.

00:43:09.000 Well, what was it? What was the violation here?

00:43:11.000 It was about David Hogg.

00:43:14.000 I said a comment about how he doesn't have pubes yet, so he can't tell a grown man whether or not I can own a gun.

00:43:23.000 And so that just went wild.

00:43:26.000 I've never seen anything go like that.

00:43:28.000 It was like, pubes?

00:43:30.000 In retrospect, would you not at-reply the 17-year-old with the pubes comment?

00:43:35.000 Do you think, like, if you went back, you'd be like, uh, maybe Greg?

00:43:39.000 Yeah, I mean, looking back, I can see an Achilles heel to it.

00:43:45.000 In my mind, I do tree work for a living.

00:43:50.000 I actually was in this cold today.

00:43:52.000 I'm around men that talk like that, where they're like, someone without any pubes doesn't get to tell me where I eat dinner.

00:43:59.000 It has nothing to do with him being a...

00:44:02.000 It just got so...

00:44:04.000 Twisted. And I'm like, no, obviously you know what I mean.

00:44:08.000 Right. And then it just kept going.

00:44:10.000 And I realized that that kid, it's like all the flack comes from any criticism of that kid.

00:44:15.000 Because when the YouTube thing happened, the shooting, I said, don't worry, David Hogg is rollerblading over to save the day.

00:44:22.000 And that's what started a lot of like firing at me.

00:44:25.000 I saw the blue check marks get released and all the bots start coming out.

00:44:28.000 And I was racing myself because I've been through this before, like with the trans kid thing. 1.00

00:44:32.000 Or when I called Justin Trudeau a few racial slurs.

00:44:37.000 Wait, what were the racial slurs?

00:44:38.000 Is it because he's like 118th Cherokee Nation? 0.93

00:44:40.000 Or just racist white guy slurs? 0.96

00:44:42.000 Well, I was calling him a snow monkey and an iceback and all this stuff. 0.99

00:44:45.000 And they were trying to make it seem like I was racist.

00:44:48.000 I'm like, well, he's a white person trying to get rid of the word mother and father.

00:44:53.000 I was trying to make a statement about censorship by actually using words.

00:44:59.000 Obviously, you guys get it.

00:45:00.000 No, I get it. That all got shut down.

00:45:02.000 Well, you know, one thing I will say, and obviously, listen, the question is not, okay, are these the rules?

00:45:08.000 It's, are they applied equally?

00:45:10.000 And if you go and you look at people on the left, I mean, look at the people who put up fake Nazi memes of myself and professors who retweet it.

00:45:16.000 No punishment whatsoever.

00:45:18.000 So the real question is, the man we bumped you for, he asks, is the law applied equally?

00:45:22.000 Dinesh has talked about that.

00:45:24.000 In this case, that's pretty cut and dry.

00:45:28.000 But I also always talk about don't give them a reason.

00:45:32.000 They're looking for a reason to say you're harassing this kid.

00:45:35.000 And so looking back, I'm like, oh, I wonder if a part of you might go like, ah, okay.

00:45:39.000 They were looking for a reason.

00:45:41.000 And even though that's not what it was meant, it's clearly twisting.

00:45:43.000 Shouldn't have just done the at reply.

00:45:45.000 Yeah, yeah. No, like looking back, I can see some, as I said earlier, a few Achilles heels.

00:45:51.000 And the problem is you have so many followers too, so then the kid gets a bunch of at replies and it bothers him.

00:45:55.000 If you were a nobody, he wouldn't care.

00:45:58.000 They're using him almost like PETA from Hunger Games where the state takes him, some kid, and they make him say all this stuff.

00:46:06.000 And so I just feel as a comedian, I get to say the hyperbole and the ironies and the satires that a lot of academics and politicians aren't allowed to say.

00:46:15.000 And I've always enjoyed that position of mocking power.

00:46:18.000 But in this situation, I mean, you got to give it to them for getting a 17-year-old kid to try and take down our right to bear arms.

00:46:25.000 It's a tricky situation.

00:46:26.000 And I do regret giving them ammunition against people like us.

00:46:30.000 But at the same time, You know, it's tough.

00:46:33.000 It's tough to realize that when I do a tweet, it's not just for the people that follow me and know my humor.

00:46:38.000 It's for the world. These are things that we're all facing now as a global species about how to deal with the internet and how to deal with the fact that the whole world can now see that I'm mocking that he doesn't have ball hair.

00:46:52.000 And this stream just got removed.

00:46:55.000 Thomas Sowell is like, hey, I was just recently appearing on the...

00:46:57.000 Where is it? It is crazy.

00:47:01.000 By the way, great book. One last plug.

00:47:03.000 Highly recommend it, Thomas Sowell.

00:47:04.000 You said you've read Thomas Sowell.

00:47:06.000 One of my heroes. Black, redneck, white, liberal literally changed my life.

00:47:10.000 I think it should be mandatory reading for every American.

00:47:12.000 I was just saying that about economic facts and fallacies.

00:47:15.000 But his latest book is great, and it's just as relevant, like I was saying, for the left and sort of the fringe alt-right with this whole racial IQ. You know, you've heard this now.

00:47:21.000 Some people, unfortunately, have taken ownership over identity politics on the right.

00:47:26.000 But, you know, I was talking about this earlier.

00:47:28.000 The fact that someone on—so regardless of the Twitter thing, Owen Benjamin is funny.

00:47:33.000 So sometimes what inspires me is not what people say or how people compliment them, but the insults.

00:47:38.000 And like I was saying earlier, I was feeling down because we're just talking about the social media. 0.96

00:47:41.000 We've had this exponential growth, and so it sucks.

00:47:44.000 I don't really get to go on social media and even see my fans because there's so much negative feedback.

00:47:49.000 And sometimes you just want to hang out with your buddies, and we're all learning how to process this as human beings.

00:47:53.000 We never had this. We were able to have a circle of friends.

00:47:56.000 Just like you said, it's kind of hard to imagine people who hate you looming, looking for that to happen.

00:48:01.000 But Back to my original point, with Thomas Sowell, someone just said it today, and it made me feel so much better about myself. 0.98

00:48:08.000 They said, he's a tremendous s***head. 0.91

00:48:11.000 I was thinking, you can't find anyone more cerebral or civil than Thomas Sowell. 0.97

00:48:17.000 So if they're going to say it about him, I'm like, oh, thanks for making my job easy. 0.94

00:48:19.000 It's the same thing when someone says, oh, and Benjamin sucks. 0.95

00:48:21.000 He's not funny. Or I've had it with Nick DiPaolo or Jim Norton for being on the show. 0.89

00:48:24.000 I'm going, well, hold on a second. I question myself, but I don't question that Owen's funny or that Nick DiPaolo is.

00:48:29.000 So it makes it easy. I'm like, well, they're probably wrong about me, even if they're not.

00:48:33.000 Right, of course. It's so funny because a lot of people have been saying that now where they're like, Oh, yeah.

00:48:38.000 Well, you're a hack who doesn't do anything.

00:48:40.000 I'm like, I've self-produced two-hour specials this year, and I've had two specials with Comedy Central and another with another company.

00:48:47.000 That's five in the last four years.

00:48:50.000 It's the same thing. It's like if someone said that Steven Crowder isn't ethical.

00:48:55.000 It's like a joke. It's almost like the exact opposite.

00:48:58.000 They're like, yeah, Owen, I bet you would.

00:49:00.000 I bet you would think it's ethical if you're hanging out with Crowder.

00:49:04.000 It's like me, like, I bet you would think it's funny if Owen Benjamin helped write it for the show.

00:49:10.000 I'm like, yes!

00:49:11.000 All right. Well, listen, where's the best place for people to go to support you?

00:49:14.000 We wanted to fit you in today.

00:49:15.000 We don't have a ton of time. Where's the best place?

00:49:17.000 It means so much to me that you guys have me.

00:49:20.000 Hugepianist.com, just because of my height and my piano.

00:49:23.000 And that's where you get the specials.

00:49:25.000 And then patreon.com slash WDTL. Like, you can just do the minimum amount.

00:49:29.000 And you can still upload to YouTube, right?

00:49:30.000 You just can't livestream. I can still upload to YouTube, Owen Benjamin Comedy, and then, yeah, I don't know what the future holds for me, but I love you guys.

00:49:37.000 Well, keep us posted, and just do me a favor before we go.

00:49:42.000 Be careful with YouTube.

00:49:44.000 Just don't do anything that'll get that removed, because we need you on there.

00:49:48.000 So consult us.

00:49:49.000 I'm about to hit 100K, like, this week.

00:49:51.000 Well, I guarantee you'll hit it this week.

00:49:53.000 Everyone, go subscribe at Owen Benjamin Comedy and support him.

00:49:55.000 We have to go. Last segment after this.

00:49:56.000 Thank you, Owen Benjamin! All right, much love.

00:49:58.000 Later, guys. All right, all right.

00:50:13.000 Now time to call this double-secret patriarchy meeting to order.

00:50:17.000 First item of business, um... 0.93

00:50:20.000 It's imperative that women don't catch on to the fact that marriage is merely glorified rape. 1.00

00:50:24.000 So, let's all do our best to keep that under our hats, shall we?

00:50:27.000 Oh, yeah. Of course.

00:50:29.000 Fantastic. On to item number two.

00:50:30.000 We need a new, unified set of standards on what will be determined as the most updated, yet of course very oppressive, standards of beauty for women that we don't even like. 0.85

00:50:40.000 Any ideas? Suggestions from anyone?

00:50:43.000 The room's open. Now's your time to shine.

00:50:45.000 Yes, Bradley. What if we told the magazine companies, like, that made the magazine fronts, that we all like robust bosoms and hips?

00:51:01.000 Yes. We plant the idea of an attraction to healthy mammaries and birthing hips, even though we don't like boobs and butts! 1.00

00:51:09.000 Brilliant! That's a sure way to get there, goat! 0.98

00:51:11.000 Anyone else have any ideas? Yes?

00:51:15.000 What if we told them we liked them to smell good?

00:51:18.000 Like, we can give them perfume and, like, shampoo?

00:51:23.000 Oh, you naughty man, I see what you're doing.

00:51:26.000 Even though we greatly prefer slimy, rotund land manatees, we convince them that we actually value hygienic behavior.

00:51:33.000 Carl, is there any way we can implement some kind of mind-controlled chemicals in those products while we're at it?

00:51:37.000 Can do, boss. Maybe give them some sort of a slogan to really ingrain it in their oppressed subconscious. 0.90

00:51:42.000 Something like, because you're worth it, only a little more creative, a little less unknown.

00:51:45.000 Absolutely. Any other slogan ideas?

00:51:47.000 How about maybe something like, maybe she's born with it, or, or maybe, or, or maybe it's Maybelline!

00:51:57.000 Nick, get out! America!

00:52:00.000 He runs on Duncan.

00:52:01.000 Other Nick! Get out! 0.54

00:52:02.000 America runs on Duncan!

00:52:04.000 Take him out! America runs on Duncan, you son of a bitch! 1.00

00:52:09.000 Oh, god, you son of a bitch! 1.00

00:52:22.000 Don't... 1.00

00:52:23.000 Oh, god, you son of a bitch! 1.00

00:53:04.000 Doctor soul. Doctor. 1.00

00:53:06.000 Soul. I'm kidding.

00:53:08.000 You're fangirling so hard you forgot to offer.

00:53:10.000 I know. You know why I screwed up?

00:53:12.000 Thank you so much to Dr.

00:53:13.000 Soul and Owen Benjamin. Well, you know, we'll be releasing this next week.

00:53:18.000 The dean of UTA, oh dear, I've said too much, is a doctor.

00:53:21.000 And was like, please don't refer to me as a doctor.

00:53:23.000 Refer to me by my first name.

00:53:24.000 So the last thing in my head, because sometimes I've got to think about that.

00:53:27.000 They don't want to be pretentious.

00:53:29.000 And it doesn't say doctor in his book.

00:53:31.000 It just says Thomas Soul. Maybe Tommy.

00:53:34.000 Also, I'm kind of just a dick. 0.98

00:53:39.000 There's no way around it, Dr. 0.98

00:53:41.000 Sol. Oh, watch.

00:53:42.000 People are not going to let me forget that.

00:53:43.000 Oh, look. You missed your word.

00:53:45.000 You forgot the doctor.

00:53:47.000 I'll write you down anyway. These things happen.

00:53:50.000 Sometimes you're not having your best batting average.

00:53:53.000 We have had a busy and rough...

00:53:57.000 I've had a rough two weeks, which I will never fully tell you about.

00:54:01.000 Illinois, driving out there, which was terrible, doing the show with quote-unquote non-credible security threats.

00:54:08.000 There were. So tensions were high.

00:54:11.000 And then this, just a busy, busy week.

00:54:12.000 We have a lot of stuff to be taping.

00:54:13.000 You and I actually have a private engagement to do on Saturday with Dean Cain.

00:54:17.000 I haven't done a corporate gig in a long time, but it's actually a good friend of Dean Cain.

00:54:20.000 So it's just been going, burning the candle at both ends.

00:54:23.000 Should probably slow down.

00:54:24.000 But... You know, we were talking about—oh, hold on, before we move on, I realize, just to remind you, this is the face of insanity.

00:54:36.000 Why, if you were going to put out videos, why wouldn't you just learn the language?

00:54:51.000 Yeah. Midskin Milk, you're gonna see.

00:54:53.000 What? Are these...

00:54:55.000 What? Make some key lights in.

00:54:56.000 I mean, you know, I have no idea.

00:54:58.000 Just learn how to chroma key.

00:55:01.000 That's what's most disturbing. It's the lack of quality.

00:55:03.000 It's the lack of quality in chroma keying.

00:55:04.000 It's the lack of quality. And you know, listen, I think we'll be the first...

00:55:07.000 To admit that some of the things that we've done the last couple weeks, we've experimented with some new things.

00:55:11.000 Some things worked, some things didn't. Illinois, we put on a show for the students, period.

00:55:14.000 It's not what Change My Mind is really meant to be, and we got out there and there were way more people than we expected.

00:55:18.000 We could not have the security done properly, and so everyone was just a little bit tense.

00:55:22.000 Probably won't be doing that again. Change My Mind is meant to be just sitting down and kind of conversational.

00:55:27.000 We don't even announce it usually when we go places.

00:55:28.000 No, we never announce it. The whole goal is to not have an audience, but at this point we were kind of...

00:55:33.000 We're kind of between a rock and a hard place because we wanted the fans to have some kind of a show that we could do that was secure.

00:55:39.000 It turns out it wasn't really anyway when we went out there.

00:55:41.000 We didn't have the spot that we anticipated.

00:55:43.000 So a lot of stress, but you know what?

00:55:45.000 A big reason for it, and a big reason we'll keep experimenting with new things, and sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, and we appreciate you allowing us that flexibility.

00:55:51.000 We've talked about this. After SMU was definitely probably the most...

00:55:56.000 It was the most visceral sort of moment that I've had in a while where I was like, oh wow, okay, a lot of people were coming up saying how important this was to them.

00:56:02.000 This show, it's a late night comedy show.

00:56:04.000 I am not Dr.

00:56:06.000 Thomas Sowell, okay? I am not an AM radio host.

00:56:09.000 I do not want to be your only source of information.

00:56:12.000 I want to be that we want to be the show you can go to sleep with and enjoy yourself and have a laugh and not want to punch yourself in the face.

00:56:17.000 We want to sleep with you. Yes, pretty much.

00:56:19.000 That's the takeaway there. We want to teach you and sleep with you. 1.00

00:56:22.000 We basically want to be that college professor.

00:56:25.000 Ha ha ha! But we've got some emails.

00:56:30.000 One of them I was talking about at Illinois.

00:56:31.000 And here's another one. We'll keep his name in any sort of specific references.

00:56:36.000 Secret. But this is something that—and I think you can take something like this, and this is something we've always talked about.

00:56:42.000 You can take this kind of feedback from people, and you can use it to build yourself up, you can exalt yourself, or you can be humbled.

00:56:50.000 And genuinely, when I read something like this, I will meditate on it for a long time and think, gosh, I mean, we have a responsibility.

00:56:56.000 We have a responsibility, first and foremost, to entertain, but a lot of people— We've talked about it.

00:57:01.000 We felt alone before we did the show.

00:57:03.000 A lot of people felt that way, but for them, this is their only...

00:57:06.000 You see that a lot when we do these meet and greets.

00:57:08.000 You get to meet people and you're like, I bet these people don't...

00:57:10.000 These aren't the jocks in the popular kids at school.

00:57:13.000 These are the kids. These are the misfits. Yeah, exactly. 0.86

00:57:16.000 That's one thing, too. When the left tries to cover the show like, it's for dumb jocks. 1.00

00:57:19.000 Actually, no. We can look at exactly who's watching, when they're watching. 0.99

00:57:22.000 It is the marginalized people.

00:57:23.000 Yeah, it is the marginalized people.

00:57:24.000 And they're terrified. And this is an example, actually, of someone from Saudi Arabia who was...

00:57:29.000 Well, let me read his letter for you.

00:57:30.000 It's a little bit long, but I hope you go with me on this here.

00:57:34.000 Again, trying to omit with the overlays anything specific.

00:57:37.000 So forgive me for looking down at my iPad.

00:57:38.000 I'm reading his letter. I don't know it by heart.

00:57:40.000 Yeah. On the day of the SMU show, I had planned to spend a night in Dallas to save some money on transportation, so I brought my backpack but couldn't find a place to stay without a photo ID since all ICE gave me was a paper parole document.

00:57:52.000 That's relevant later, the ICE thing.

00:57:54.000 It amazed me when I sat here and read the full letter.

00:57:57.000 I managed to watch the show after leaving the backpack in a friend's car that I met there, but he had to leave a bit early and I couldn't go into the mug club only after show with the backpack and couldn't find a place to leave it.

00:58:08.000 English is not his first language, by the way, so don't hammer me or him on it.

00:58:12.000 Now that I got that out of the way, I was an atheist for a long time since my early teens, mostly due to YouTube and other online sources after wanting to research some parts of Islam that did not sit too well with me at the time.

00:58:22.000 Naively thinking that the people around and not Islam itself were the ones with the bad ideas.

00:58:26.000 I later found out about your show during the Gamergate days and got into politics since, and more so during the election.

00:58:32.000 Mostly behind fake random names on Twitter.

00:58:34.000 That's how it often starts.

00:58:36.000 Years earlier...

00:58:38.000 I managed to score—he wrote years earlier in time, sir.

00:58:40.000 I'm trying to fix the—we appreciate it, sir, the person who emailed us.

00:58:43.000 He knows who he is. This is not to give you flack.

00:58:45.000 I'm just correcting it as I go. Years earlier, I managed to score a government scholarship and left the hellhole that is Saudi Arabia. 1.00

00:58:51.000 You said it, not me. And in early 2017, during my third year in a university in blank, they suddenly canceled my scholarship due to, quote, not performing well enough.

00:59:01.000 Which did not hold up when I compared my scores to other Saudis in the same scholarship.

00:59:05.000 A usual thing in the Saudi government is when they suspect someone abroad of commenting a thought crime is to make a random reason to call them back, then deal with them inside the country to avoid any international scandal.

00:59:17.000 Since I liked my head where it was, I got a tourism visa to the US and applied for asylum once I got here.

00:59:23.000 And due to a misunderstanding at the airport interview, I ended up spending some time in ICE detention, which wasn't all that bad, really.

00:59:33.000 This is where I started to, I mean, I can't even necessarily put it into words, which wasn't all that bad, really.

00:59:40.000 Can you picture any American talking about those kinds of conditions, an ICE detention center, which wasn't all that bad, really?

00:59:49.000 And he went on to describe it. He said, the food was very good some days, even.

00:59:52.000 At the time, I was very open-minded when it came to Christianity, mostly due to your show and people it led me to, like Andrew Klavan and others.

00:59:59.000 The only problem in detention, however, where there was all this free time and a lack of good novels to read in the library, in the excuse of a library they had.

01:00:06.000 The syntax was off, so I got it wrong.

01:00:08.000 I apologize. So I ended up reading the Bible a lot and talking with some Christian detainees and later went to Bible studies often.

01:00:13.000 A few months later, I got paroled from ICE thanks to having a plausible reason for asylum and no criminal record in any country I've been to.

01:00:20.000 Since then, I've been going to church whenever I could.

01:00:22.000 My sponsor gave me a trailer to stay at and I'm managing fine.

01:00:25.000 I'm just waiting to get a work permit these days, which is taking a lot longer than expected, but I still want to do this right, so I'm trying my best to hold on and avoid getting any illegal jobs until then.

01:00:34.000 I'm sure that true freedom will be worth it in the end.

01:00:37.000 Thank you again for all the hard work that you do.

01:00:39.000 I know that it must be very hard on your end sometimes, but please remember that the show means a lot to many of us out there who may not be able to speak up and have a voice of their own.

01:00:48.000 The fact that it's entertaining helps to warm regards the ex-Saudi fan.

01:00:52.000 And he went on to specify his name.

01:00:54.000 Now I read that, and I read it, and we could read it and go, yeah, it has been hard.

01:00:58.000 I mean, many of us have gotten, we've been getting by in five hours night sleep for a couple weeks now.

01:01:02.000 Uh... But no, probably nowhere near as hard as being in an ICE detention center.

01:01:07.000 And probably nowhere near as hard as facing the magnitude of being called back to a Saudi government that wants your head on a platter.

01:01:15.000 By the way, they're progressive because they have a lot of female politicians. 1.00

01:01:18.000 It's true. Nowhere near as difficult as that.

01:01:21.000 Nowhere near as difficult as living in a trailer.

01:01:24.000 Awaiting, hopefully, a work visa and still trying to do the right thing.

01:01:27.000 That's why when he says, isn't all that bad, really?

01:01:31.000 And he goes on. It's not false humility.

01:01:34.000 It's not him saying, oh, it's not that bad.

01:01:36.000 You can tell. This is a guy filled with gratitude.

01:01:38.000 And so we read it. When I read this, I can't...

01:01:42.000 Feel any other way other than grateful.

01:01:44.000 Yeah, we have some pretty tough grinds.

01:01:46.000 And the truth is we've had a lot of people come in to work on this show and they left us.

01:01:49.000 It's like a revolving door.

01:01:51.000 They walk in and say, nope, they don't want this workload.

01:01:53.000 It's not just talking into a microphone.

01:01:55.000 Everyone here works really hard. And that's why Mug Club is so important.

01:01:57.000 We employ so many people.

01:01:58.000 It takes a lot to make this show happen.

01:02:01.000 It's hard. It is difficult.

01:02:02.000 But it is nowhere near as harrowing as the prospect of the life that this man was facing.

01:02:09.000 Mm-hmm. I mean, can you even imagine?

01:02:11.000 I can't imagine that at all. I can't imagine being in Saudi Arabia for any reason, but certainly not with them chasing me down.

01:02:16.000 And you know what? We never set out—listen, Naki Jr and I, most people here in this room are Christians to one degree or another.

01:02:22.000 It's pretty well known, but we never set out to try and convert people.

01:02:25.000 There are enough Christian films, there are enough churches you can go to for that. 0.99

01:02:27.000 But there does need to be—and we've realized we serve as somewhat of a bridge between the pastor and the sermon and Amy Schumer hamster vagina— Barnyard animal, vagina, right? 0.99

01:02:40.000 There's got to be some kind of a bridge, and we're somewhere in between, is what I would say. 0.81

01:02:45.000 The impact that we've had with this show, and we've gotten a lot of flack in the last couple of weeks because you become target number one, when you grow as quickly as you have, and again, that's because of a formidable team and because of people like this, this guy came hours.

01:02:58.000 The guy not only came across the ocean to the United States, but he came hours from his trailer to make it to the SMU show.

01:03:07.000 And he missed the after party, by the way, because the cops ushered us out.

01:03:09.000 Again, we've had a lot of problems with campus police being as accommodating as we'd like them to be.

01:03:15.000 I don't really know necessarily where I'm going with this.

01:03:17.000 All I'm saying is it's been a weird couple of weeks where we never really thought of ourselves as the kind of people who would keep someone in an ICE detention center alive or someone with PTSD who would say, I feel less alone than watching your show.

01:03:30.000 And it's something that really echoes out a lot.

01:03:33.000 And things maybe will get off my chest...

01:03:37.000 Months from now, looking back, some personal issues that have been happening, some health issues that have been tough.

01:03:44.000 How I look at it when I read an email like this, and not just to this ex-Saudi fan, but everyone out there listening, is, I mean, I know you don't owe your life to anyone, but I really do feel that way a lot of the time.

01:03:54.000 I really do feel that we owe it to you, not only to continue doing this show to the best of our abilities, but when we thought about, well, do we really want to fight Twitter?

01:04:02.000 Do we really want to fight YouTube? Do we really want to have Bill Richmond?

01:04:05.000 That was a big decision. Like, Bill Richmond on retainer is not cheap, an SMU law grad.

01:04:09.000 We said, you know what? We've got to.

01:04:11.000 We've got to. Because someone out there has to do it.

01:04:14.000 Just like with the change my mind stuff, which isn't meant to be a debate, by the way.

01:04:17.000 But when we have people on this show and we invite everyone on to debate, it's not because I'm a debater.

01:04:22.000 I never claimed...

01:04:23.000 I'm a late night host.

01:04:25.000 It's just because no one else is stepping up to the plate aside from a handful.

01:04:29.000 Someone has got to do it.

01:04:31.000 I'm not doing a lot of this because I'm the best.

01:04:33.000 That's not why any of us are doing it.

01:04:34.000 We do it because of letters like these.

01:04:36.000 We do it because at some point when you have a bunch of people looking to you saying, hey...

01:04:40.000 Can you get one over on them for me?

01:04:43.000 You've got to say yes.

01:04:45.000 It really is.

01:04:46.000 I don't want to say it's a selfless endeavor.

01:04:48.000 Of course it's not. We all make a living doing this.

01:04:50.000 But it is something that I still can't begin to comprehend and for which I am eternally grateful.

01:04:56.000 And I want you to keep me accountable.

01:04:58.000 I want you, everyone in this room, if you say, hey, you know what?

01:05:01.000 I think you really screwed up here.

01:05:03.000 Or, you know what? I think this was wrong. Or, you know what? 0.80

01:05:04.000 I think maybe you're getting off on the wrong direction.

01:05:06.000 We want you to hold our feet to the fire.

01:05:08.000 Because the only reason we're creating this is for you.

01:05:11.000 This is one thing, too, that's a new concept.

01:05:13.000 You have people, you hear this, like, I just make my art for me.

01:05:16.000 Now, you've got to make art that's authentic.

01:05:18.000 And this is. This is art.

01:05:19.000 Comedy is art. You've got to make art that's authentic.

01:05:21.000 You can't lie. People will smell it on you from a mile away.

01:05:24.000 But you can't create art solely for yourself.

01:05:27.000 The main purpose of what we create here is not for us.

01:05:32.000 The main purpose of it is for you.

01:05:34.000 And even more so after SMU and Illinois and letters like these were overwhelmed with the response.

01:05:41.000 I'm still continuing to process it.

01:05:43.000 I know this isn't anything particularly articulate.

01:05:46.000 Usually you're looking for some inspiring closing words.

01:05:48.000 Here's what I can tell you.

01:05:50.000 I didn't know how to feel ever since I was a kid with SMU. Not with SMU. Ever since I was a kid, I dreamed of going into a theater.

01:05:57.000 You know, I would see Richard Jenny was one when I was growing up.

01:05:59.000 And I remember him in Montreal at a theater with the Saint Denis Theater.

01:06:02.000 And I think that maybe it was 1800 going, wow, that was a dream of mine.

01:06:05.000 That was a dream of mine. I'll just tell you, everyone has your dreams.

01:06:07.000 Everyone has dreams out there. Some are bigger, some are smaller.

01:06:09.000 A dream of mine as a kid was when I was watching Richard Jenny and saw him doing that theater.

01:06:13.000 I was saying, man, to do that one day.

01:06:15.000 So to go to SMU and have a theater filled, a 2,500 seat theater filled with people cheering and there for what we do, for what we create.

01:06:25.000 If anyone else out there, and I guess it's kind of isolating because sometimes people talk about reaching for your dreams, but they don't necessarily talk about achieving them.

01:06:33.000 It may not sound like a big dream, but it was for me as a kid.

01:06:35.000 So when you're picturing this a thousand times in your head, I didn't know how to feel.

01:06:41.000 And something else. I spoke with someone recently, a doctor, funny enough.

01:06:47.000 Who asked when I was stressed if I had any morbid thoughts.

01:06:51.000 This is something I often ask you, right? And of course, this is why people are afraid to answer honestly if we're talking about gun control, if someone has ever had a morbid thought.

01:06:57.000 So have you ever had thoughts? And I've said, well, you know what?

01:06:59.000 Honestly, I've pictured my death a thousand times.

01:07:02.000 I can hear a pin drop. What do you mean?

01:07:04.000 So let me explain it to you. The same way that as a kid, I probably pictured a theater like SMU that was the same as any theater.

01:07:09.000 I pictured it a thousand times in my head.

01:07:11.000 I've told Jared about this, the visualization, going through it.

01:07:13.000 What does the crowd look like? What does the air feel like?

01:07:15.000 What are the lights like? Picture the sounds.

01:07:17.000 Picture the touch. Picture the sights.

01:07:19.000 Try and put yourself there so it's not a foreign situation to you.

01:07:22.000 I'm big on the power of visualization.

01:07:24.000 I'm not talking about meditation or tantric yoga.

01:07:26.000 Just visualizing something before you do it.

01:07:31.000 The same thing has happened because, listen, we have had credible threats.

01:07:34.000 We've had very serious, very credible threats.

01:07:35.000 And when you go out with the kind of security detail that we have to have and you know that there is this possibility at some point in your life, I told this man, I said, yeah, you know, I've pictured it a thousand times.

01:07:45.000 I've pictured walking out and I've pictured the audience cheering.

01:07:47.000 I've pictured the bullet going through flesh.

01:07:50.000 I've pictured it breaking bone, what it would feel like.

01:07:52.000 I've pictured the screams. I've pictured the lights.

01:07:55.000 I've pictured the sounds. I've pictured the emergency.

01:07:57.000 And I'll tell you this. This is true.

01:08:00.000 And I've pictured it because for the same reason I've walked myself through jokes bombing, through audiences being terrible.

01:08:07.000 I walked myself through this because I always try to picture getting back up.

01:08:14.000 I always try to picture how I would deal with it.

01:08:17.000 And you never do until you really come into it.

01:08:20.000 But it's not because I want to.

01:08:22.000 But I said I always walk myself through that scenario and every scenario that I can possibly imagine, I get back up.

01:08:29.000 And that reason is I wouldn't if there weren't people there who cared.

01:08:33.000 That's a huge component. If we talk about mental health, people just want to put it on a pill, huge component with these people, these shooters.

01:08:39.000 You look at YouTube, they have no structure.

01:08:41.000 They have no family structure, no communal structure.

01:08:43.000 They don't have anyone who cares about them.

01:08:45.000 And so when we go through weeks that are really trying, when we go through weeks here in times that are incredibly difficult, some of us have some family issues.

01:08:52.000 Some of us have had some really tough breaks.

01:08:54.000 Some of us have had deaths in the family.

01:08:56.000 You know what keeps people going?

01:08:58.000 Is having people who care.

01:09:00.000 And I know there are a ton of people out there, a ton of you out there who care.

01:09:04.000 A letter like this, that can keep someone going for a long time.

01:09:07.000 So it actually probably means more to me than to you, Mr. 0.76

01:09:10.000 Ex-Saudi atheist slash Muslim. 0.88

01:09:13.000 And I hope you don't mind me reading your letter on air.

01:09:15.000 Dr. Thomas Sowell, thank you so much.

01:09:17.000 Owen Benjamin, chin up. We'll see you next week.

Louder with Crowder - April 06, 2018

#310 YOUTUBE SHOOTING COVER-UP!! Thomas Sowell and Owen Benjamin Guest | Louder With Crowder

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