Louder with Crowder - #324 STORMY DANIELS WINS TRUMP WAR?? Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux Guest | Louder With Crowder

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00:00:40.000 You're a strange animal, that's what I know. 0.99

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00:01:13.000 You're a strange animal, I got to follow.

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00:01:23.000 Because our guests, Stephan Molyneux and Dr. Jordan Peele.

00:01:28.000 Jordan Peterson, ain't got nothing on me.

00:01:32.000 Except a lot.

00:01:33.000 And accomplishments and things that they've done.

00:01:35.000 And they can speak more than three paragraphs.

00:01:37.000 Yeah, exactly, without coughing up blood.

00:01:39.000 So they've accomplished a lot more.

00:01:40.000 We have Stefan Molyneux, we have Dr.

00:01:42.000 Jordan Peterson on, and we got lucky we have former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani on.

00:01:47.000 Wow. Yeah, to talk about the recent scandal.

00:01:49.000 So, you know, last minute, and I'm still suffering from bronchitis.

00:01:52.000 Everyone cover for me! Covering, covering, intelligent thoughts.

00:01:55.000 All right. Good job, Jared. And we'll be talking also a lot about this recent poll that's come out, Reuters Ipsos.

00:02:02.000 I know there's been some controversy about, statistically, millennials becoming more conservative than, of course, of, you know, trannies, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, the whole shebang. 1.00

00:02:09.000 Producing with me in video studio as always is Jared, who is not gay. 0.97

00:02:11.000 Follow him on Twitter at notgayjared. Meet us Crowder with your comments, your thoughts, your photoshops.

00:02:14.000 We enjoy them. Not really.

00:02:16.000 I fulfill my legal obligations, drawing conclusions.

00:02:17.000 Are we good? Ask me. We have Gerald Morgan at G. Morgan Jr.

00:02:21.000 How are you, sir? I'm excellent.

00:02:23.000 How are you? What's the wine of the day?

00:02:24.000 Wine of the day is Pierre Morley.

00:02:25.000 You don't need to ask me how I am. You can just go into the wine of the day.

00:02:27.000 It's expected of you. But you asked me how I was, so it's like, you know, I gotta do it.

00:02:30.000 Dance for us. No, no.

00:02:31.000 What's the wine of the day? No. Pierre Morley Champagne.

00:02:34.000 Pierre Morley Champagne.

00:02:36.000 Sounds to me like you need to get Morley.

00:02:38.000 So, Sven Computer, ready with the overlays?

00:02:40.000 Yeah, I'm ready. Feeling good?

00:02:42.000 Yeah. Good. Damn it.

00:02:49.000 Elon Musk was right about artificial intelligence. 0.99

00:02:51.000 Good on you, Sven Computer. Good on you.

00:02:54.000 Wait. Did Elon Musk make it into our studio to prove a point?

00:02:59.000 Elon? That's Mr.

00:03:01.000 Musk? Question of the day. 0.74

00:03:05.000 Listen, we talked about the Boy Scouts this week.

00:03:07.000 We'll be talking about the Reuters. Like we said, here's a genuine question for you.

00:03:11.000 How do you see the future on these scales?

00:03:14.000 Are you more optimistic? Do you see the silver lining as you see younger people sort of rejecting the progressive left?

00:03:18.000 Or when you look at Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and you see feminism, and you see progressivism in charge in administrations and schools and media, do you see us entering uncharted waters kind of in a social experiment?

00:03:27.000 I go back and forth on that.

00:03:29.000 Comment. Let me know what you think.

00:03:31.000 I like to be optimistic, but, you know...

00:03:34.000 How's that going to happen? We got chicks with dicks and Boy Scouts, so it's tough. 1.00

00:03:38.000 In other news, before we get there, a British man is now in court for having a potato peeler in a public place. 0.98

00:03:45.000 The man admitted that on Saturday in Appen Crescent, a public space, he was in possession of an object which had a blade or was sharply pointed, namely a potato peeler.

00:03:53.000 That's the actual story.

00:03:54.000 Oh my god. This is why we left Europe.

00:03:58.000 Exactly. This is precisely. Now, many, of course, have used this story to point out the futility in gun and knife control, while you actually have some others who've been calling for even stricter regulations, with New York's The Dead Rabbits decrying Britain as culture appropriate and prex!

00:04:13.000 I hated that movie.

00:04:14.000 That was born from our famine.

00:04:16.000 You don't get to use it publicly. 0.89

00:04:18.000 Use a knife like a good brat.

00:04:20.000 I'm so jealous of Liam Neeson the whole movie. 1.00

00:04:22.000 I'm like, that poor, that lucky bastard got to die in the first five minutes. 0.99

00:04:24.000 Yeah, I know. I know. 1.00

00:04:25.000 You're stuck with the whole film.

00:04:26.000 Fortunately, he had to stick it through the entire first Phantom Menace.

00:04:29.000 So, yeah. By the way, to the guy who left in the comments section, Crowder is a Sith.

00:04:34.000 Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

00:04:36.000 Really, Mr. Quoting the worst film and the worst franchise in a YouTube comment section?

00:04:41.000 Not exactly Freud.

00:04:42.000 Some people think that's a strong quote.

00:04:45.000 I've had people in real life go, only a Sith deals in absolutes.

00:04:48.000 Were you trying to entirely discredit everything you say for the rest of this evening?

00:04:52.000 That quote you said, it's not a thing.

00:04:53.000 No, it's not a thing. It will ever be a thing.

00:04:55.000 Absolutely. Also, I believe in midichlorians.

00:04:56.000 Oh, wow, you do. Okay.

00:04:58.000 I'm going to avoid this general area tonight at this party.

00:05:00.000 So Rudy Giuliani, former mayor, has come out and said that he's gotten in some hot water.

00:05:05.000 He said that Trump reimbursed his lawyer for $130,000 payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels, and he's been getting flack.

00:05:11.000 There's some nuance there, but this is what's gotten him in trouble.

00:05:14.000 I believe that's what Michael said.

00:05:15.000 He didn't know about the specifics of it, as far as I know.

00:05:18.000 But he did know about the general arranger that Michael would take care of things like this.

00:05:22.000 Like, I take care of things like this.

00:05:24.000 He doesn't seem to hear how that hears.

00:05:27.000 So he pays porn stars too?

00:05:28.000 I don't know. Is that what's going on?

00:05:32.000 You hear all the things we just heard?

00:05:34.000 Hello, Stephen. Now, here's the thing.

00:05:36.000 There isn't a whole lot there if you're actually looking at sort of revelations that could be a lawyer retainer.

00:05:41.000 Donald Trump didn't necessarily know it was going to Stormy Daniels, but that's obviously a very controversial statement.

00:05:45.000 And I'm happy to announce, I think we have him, that we have former Mayor Rudy Giuliani here in an exclusive to clarify his remarks.

00:05:52.000 Former Mayor, are you here, sir?

00:05:54.000 Absolutely, Stephen. Thanks for having me.

00:05:56.000 Well good, so just to clarify, now, you're saying that President Trump did in fact reimburse Mr.

00:06:00.000 Cohen? Yes, Steven, on that, there is no doubt.

00:06:04.000 And he knew it was hush money for Mrs.

00:06:06.000 Daniels? It's very important.

00:06:08.000 Misconstrued, Stephen. I don't like the word hush money, especially when referring to a fine young woman like Miss Daniels. 0.99

00:06:15.000 Okay, right, but it seems like you could be admitting something pretty severe.

00:06:18.000 No, Stephen. This was standard reimbursement, and our president will be cleared of any wrongdoing.

00:06:23.000 Trust me. I don't trust.

00:06:24.000 I'm not sure. It's reimbursement to a porn star doesn't seem standard at all, Mr.

00:06:29.000 Giuliani. Completely standard, Stephen.

00:06:32.000 And what I don't appreciate...

00:06:34.000 In particular, it's you running Ms.

00:06:36.000 Daniels' good name through the mud, along with the rest of mainstream media.

00:06:41.000 Mainstream media? And, Stormy, if you're watching, I'd like to offer my own legal services to assist in preserving your reputation.

00:06:49.000 Okay, all right. But, Mayor, that still doesn't answer the question.

00:06:51.000 Did President Trump know this money was going to a mistress?

00:06:54.000 To a mistress, Stephen.

00:06:57.000 Such a loaded word for such a wonderful woman.

00:07:00.000 I'd expect better from you, Stephen.

00:07:01.000 And frankly, Stormy deserves better.

00:07:04.000 Okay, let's try this another way. Did President Trump have the affair in the first place?

00:07:08.000 I certainly hope so.

00:07:10.000 What? I mean, let's make sure that I'm not taken out of contact, Stephen.

00:07:14.000 Any man would consider himself lucky to be with Miss Stormy Daniels.

00:07:18.000 Not necessarily. An angel from heaven was a figure from God.

00:07:21.000 I mean, a little tired, short, but still, by all means, a fine piece of ass. 0.99

00:07:25.000 You know, I feel like this is actually, this is getting very inappropriate. 0.99

00:07:27.000 No, no, no, no, no. I don't.

00:07:29.000 Inappropriate, Stephen, is your witch hunt of our president, and even worse, and more importantly, of Stormy Daniels.

00:07:36.000 The problem with this country is the media...

00:07:40.000 It's lackeys. And people like you. 0.84

00:07:42.000 You know, Steven, I'm reasonably divorced.

00:07:46.000 Yeah, I'm sorry to hear about that.

00:07:49.000 So? So, could you give me Stormy's number?

00:07:55.000 All right. Former Mayor Giuliani, ladies and gentlemen.

00:07:57.000 No, that's enough. That's enough.

00:07:59.000 That's enough of Mr. Judy. No, no more.

00:08:02.000 He's out. He's desperate. Gosh, the guy needs to have some handlers.

00:08:05.000 So, hey, Huffington Post released an article this week on a graphic novel about a dog that, quote, tells a groundbreaking story of trans sex work.

00:08:15.000 Thanks, HuffPo, for never allowing us to run out of content.

00:08:18.000 I don't even know how to unpack this.

00:08:34.000 The comic offers a humanizing portrait brimming with wit.

00:08:38.000 And melancholy. Yeah.

00:08:40.000 Insightful. Disney's already secured the rights with Air Bud 24.

00:08:43.000 It's a hate crime to say no if you've already paid.

00:08:47.000 Ain't nothing in the rule books. 1.00

00:08:49.000 It says dogs can't be tranny sex whores. 0.98

00:08:52.000 If you're going to pick an animal to forward your agenda, don't pick the one that already eats and humps everything it sees. 1.00

00:08:58.000 Yes. Everything and anything.

00:09:00.000 Yes. Transgenders are not, they have no impulse control. 0.99

00:09:04.000 And they're meant to be sex workers. 1.00

00:09:08.000 Your move. Next. 0.96

00:09:10.000 We don't even have to do anything.

00:09:12.000 You're making our job too easy.

00:09:13.000 Speaking of moves, a British company is now turning food waste into beer.

00:09:18.000 So yeah, this company, Toast Ale, actually takes old stale bread from bakeries to three-day-old bread along with other waste to instead turn into beer.

00:09:27.000 So sleep with the one I open, Bud Light Lime.

00:09:32.000 What I found funny about this article is they said beer is a really fun medium to engage people on what is globally a very important problem.

00:09:41.000 Yeah, so beer is not the forefront of social justice.

00:09:43.000 It's the first in their new line of woke beer, including Stout Lives Matter.

00:09:47.000 Then we've got Planned Porterhood. 0.98

00:09:51.000 Pabst, blue-haired lesbian. 1.00

00:09:53.000 That's going for a little niche.

00:09:55.000 And I don't know if we should do this.

00:09:57.000 The newest added to the fold.

00:09:59.000 David Hogfish had 90-minute IP gay.

00:10:04.000 And, yeah, he's already called for a boycott.

00:10:08.000 And viewers are up 20-fold.

00:10:10.000 Good. Yeah, good. He should boycott them.

00:10:12.000 There's no beer named after me saying I'm gay. 0.68

00:10:17.000 Sparkle. Breakfast club.

00:10:20.000 Armband. New York City veterinarian also has been accused of smuggling heroin in dogs.

00:10:26.000 This comes from ABC7. The veteran pleaded not guilty.

00:10:28.000 Veteran. Veteran pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to U.S. charges that he implanted liquid heroin.

00:10:34.000 And dogs to turn them into drug mules for a Colombian drug trafficking ring.

00:10:38.000 An absolute shame, obviously.

00:10:40.000 There's no real... Stories like this are terrible.

00:10:43.000 There's no way to... Especially since Disney's already capitalized with Air Bud 28.

00:10:47.000 Keep your pimp paw strong.

00:10:49.000 It's a great time to be a dog.

00:10:51.000 Retrieving ain't easy!

00:10:52.000 Retrieving ain't easy!

00:10:54.000 This is why it's not fair to compare violent crimes across different countries.

00:10:58.000 Because in Korea, for instance, a dog with a Do Not Consume sticker is a dead giveaway.

00:11:02.000 Yeah. It's very difficult.

00:11:05.000 But the dog goes, no, no, no.

00:11:07.000 China, not origami binding.

00:11:10.000 I love this dog.

00:11:11.000 I love this dog.

00:11:13.000 He would never make it in China.

00:11:14.000 No, I don't think any one of us here would make it in China.

00:11:16.000 For no reason, because I can't fake the accent for more than about a phrase.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, I don't know. That was like the little Mexican flies in Bugs Life. 1.00

00:11:25.000 I'm mad at you, too. Yes! Good time, Millie Jones, though. 0.97

00:11:28.000 Very proud of you on that. So, all right.

00:11:30.000 Let's talk about this.

00:11:32.000 This is something that actually there's a silver lining where we're talking about the Boy Scouts.

00:11:35.000 We're talking about these social experiments going on.

00:11:37.000 A recent Reuters episodes poll showed that Democrats are actually losing ground with millennials.

00:11:42.000 Now, a couple of things.

00:11:43.000 I know some people have tried to say it's not valid because this includes registered voters as opposed to just likely voters.

00:11:48.000 Oh, geez. Okay, this is Val, and this is especially bad news for leftists, because in general, people become more conservative as they get older.

00:11:55.000 We'll talk about that. Now, if millennials are already becoming more conservative when they are younger, they're only going to swing even further as they age.

00:12:04.000 That's a problem. In the past, the left has consistently tried to sort of run with the narrative that conservative voters tend to be, and it's correct, and use that as evidence that conservatives are dying out.

00:12:14.000 How often have you guys heard this?

00:12:15.000 Every single time. They always say that the Fox News crowd is about to die because they always advertise for gold and retirement stuff.

00:12:21.000 But that is true. Right.

00:12:22.000 That is true. The Fox News crowd is dying.

00:12:24.000 It doesn't necessarily mean conservatives are dying.

00:12:25.000 It's true. They are buying Wilford Brimley reverse mortgages.

00:12:29.000 That's true. It's a hot ticket item.

00:12:32.000 Right there next to your walk-in baths.

00:12:33.000 Yes. Or self-lubricating catheters.

00:12:35.000 Those things are hot, man. They are absolutely hot.

00:12:38.000 Especially if you have to reinsert them.

00:12:39.000 There's a lot of friction. They're not that self-lubricating.

00:12:41.000 Friction is still a component.

00:12:43.000 Improvements can be made. It's a cycle, right?

00:12:46.000 As people get older, they become more conservative.

00:12:48.000 They die. Younger people become more conservative. 0.87

00:12:50.000 So we've been told this for a long time.

00:12:51.000 Oh, this is going to be the last.

00:12:52.000 Baby boomers were the most left generation there had ever been at that point. 0.77

00:12:56.000 And now they're amongst the most conservative.

00:12:58.000 Yeah. Certainly split, depending on the polls that you look at.

00:13:00.000 Now, the Reuters poll, it shows millennials are actually far more conservative than they were just two years ago.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, wow. That's such a big shift.

00:13:06.000 And I think people like Peterson and Molyneux and Gadsad and Ben Shapiro, and hopefully we include ourselves among their changing people's minds, have played a part in that.

00:13:15.000 So in 2016, young white men, particularly, they favored Democrats 46 or 48, I think.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, 48. Yeah, 48 to 36.

00:13:22.000 In two years, that's basically flip-flopped.

00:13:23.000 That's insane. That's a huge number.

00:13:27.000 And again, it's true that older people tend to be more conservative.

00:13:30.000 Yeah. And you would never hear that from mainstream media stuff.

00:13:33.000 Right now, you would think that it's absolutely the opposite based on everything you hear on CNN and MSNBC or Eden Salon and HuffPo.

00:13:38.000 Right. Well, no, they're right.

00:13:40.000 Young people tend to lean more left and old people tend to lean more conservative, but they don't talk about the flip happening.

00:13:44.000 Right. Yeah. And that's like we're talking about.

00:13:47.000 That is true. And it's well observed that older people are more conservative.

00:13:50.000 There's a litany of reasons.

00:13:51.000 I mean, you know, young people, less developed brains. 1.00

00:13:53.000 Just start off with. Conservatism, of course, it's also conservatives.

00:13:56.000 They correlate with higher self-esteem, which is seen in older people, which would make sense, given that self-esteem used to be a novel concept earned through accomplishment.

00:14:05.000 LAUGHTER What are those?

00:14:07.000 You can't fake self-esteem.

00:14:08.000 The stats don't reflect fakery.

00:14:10.000 You may not use a red pen.

00:14:11.000 You may give them all the same gold sticker, but guess what?

00:14:14.000 That kid doesn't actually have self-esteem.

00:14:16.000 People with self-esteem tend to be older.

00:14:17.000 They tend to be more conservative. People become more conservative as they have families of their own.

00:14:22.000 Absolutely. Slade even wrote about this.

00:14:24.000 People become more conservative as they accrue more wealth.

00:14:26.000 No one... What was that?

00:14:27.000 Also a little selfish when you have family.

00:14:29.000 Yeah, when you have to think about something else.

00:14:30.000 You have to think everything differently.

00:14:31.000 Well, they basically become more conservative when they actually have to work for a living.

00:14:34.000 Well, yes. There's more to it than that, but basically, college students start off left, and then life happens.

00:14:41.000 And then they become increasingly conservative across generations.

00:14:45.000 College kids tend to live in a world of naivety, live in the world as they wish it were, not as it is.

00:14:51.000 And when you get older, you realize, oh, I guess I should probably live in the world as it is.

00:14:55.000 Yeah. Right. Start accepting those things.

00:14:57.000 You kind of expect it, though.

00:14:58.000 You're living off mom and dad's dime for a long time.

00:15:00.000 It's kind of socialism, right? You just get given the things you need.

00:15:02.000 Then you go to college where you still have the freedom.

00:15:04.000 You get room and board. You get all your food most of the time, unless you're working for it.

00:15:07.000 And life is like, well, why can't everybody be taken care of?

00:15:10.000 I'm being taken care of. It's working.

00:15:11.000 Then taxes happen. And then you get your first paycheck, and you're like...

00:15:14.000 Who the hell is the U.S. Treasury?

00:15:16.000 That's why I think that socialism really appeals to young people, because it's the idea of, oh, if I had all the money, if I were running things, I'd do A, B, and this, I'd do this, and I'd do that, and I'd give them a little bit of that, and everything would be perfect.

00:15:27.000 And I think of every college student going, if I were running things, the world would work this way.

00:15:32.000 Well, guess what? Even with this show, I am running things.

00:15:34.000 And I never get to do this, this, this, and that, because crap happens.

00:15:37.000 Yeah, exactly. So when you see younger people now, without life, spanking them on the ass, teaching them to become more conservative, they're becoming conservative before that phase. 0.99

00:15:47.000 That's pretty crazy. We think of conservatives as curmudgeons or sticks in the mud. 1.00

00:15:50.000 Some of them are. But, you know, if you look at this trajectory...

00:15:54.000 The transition from sort of young liberal to older conservative leads one to an undeniable and repeatedly observable fact, which is why I think that people across the board could at least see a silver lining in this.

00:16:04.000 Conservatives in general are happier.

00:16:06.000 We are. People who are conservative, religious in particular, are happier than leftists and those who are non-religious.

00:16:12.000 Which stands to reason.

00:16:13.000 Think about this for a second.

00:16:14.000 And this is why we always talk about with change my mind, the difference between a debate and a change my mind.

00:16:18.000 The goal, you can't change everyone's mind.

00:16:20.000 But the goal is to plant the seed to get people to think critically because somewhere down the path, that why question has been planted.

00:16:26.000 And then as they continue to question it, it leads them logically toward a more right-leaning path.

00:16:32.000 Certainly an anti-progressive path.

00:16:34.000 And that's what we're seeing now being reflected statistically.

00:16:36.000 The seed's been planted and they're going, well, you know what?

00:16:38.000 I don't like Republicans.

00:16:40.000 The polls show they still don't like Republicans, certainly not in some kind of significant majority, but they don't support Democrats.

00:16:47.000 And that's a huge shift for people under 30.

00:16:50.000 Now, all this stands to reason, and we're going to have more happy people.

00:16:53.000 Probably millennials will be the happiest generation maybe ever.

00:16:56.000 Boy Scouts notwithstanding, they're going to have some PTSD. They're going to be huddled in a corner somewhere.

00:17:00.000 But think about that, that conservatives are happy.

00:17:02.000 Everyone can think of their favorite grandparent.

00:17:04.000 Not all of them, but one of them, or your uncle, your aunt, you know, a steady hand, healthy family, stability, compassion.

00:17:10.000 It's pretty hard to picture a 65-year-old screeching feminist or pansexual socialist bitching about privilege or proper pronouns. 1.00

00:17:16.000 They wouldn't be a happy person.

00:17:18.000 That's not someone who's getting around on the walk or in the old folks home. 1.00

00:17:21.000 It's funny because when you think about liberals and progressives, you think of like, oh, they just live without any boundaries.

00:17:25.000 They must be happier.

00:17:26.000 But you realize it's just a fruitless endeavor.

00:17:29.000 It's like kids who aren't disciplined.

00:17:30.000 Yeah. I'm not saying that you need an authoritarian dictator.

00:17:33.000 But what I'm saying is people who try and break down all gender norms, all moral norms, they don't live...

00:17:39.000 In this boundaryless land of happiness.

00:17:43.000 They actually find themselves directionless.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, in a prison of their own making.

00:17:48.000 Well, no, not a prison. An open field of their own making.

00:17:50.000 Damn it, with you and the analogy. 1.00

00:17:51.000 That's the prison. You just take it and you go the opposite. 1.00

00:17:54.000 Sometimes. Yeah, open field. Prison.

00:17:56.000 Same thing. The brain to the wire to the mouth.

00:18:00.000 It was metaphorical. This is why older generations, and kids always used to roll their eyes.

00:18:04.000 Think about everything else your parents taught you when you were really little to brush your teeth twice.

00:18:08.000 Don't eat gummy bears before.

00:18:10.000 Used to roll your eyes.

00:18:12.000 Older generations have been trying to teach young people to be more conservative.

00:18:14.000 Don't chew your gum.

00:18:15.000 I'm still crapping them out. I don't have a colon!

00:18:17.000 I don't even know how that works!

00:18:19.000 He defies science.

00:18:20.000 Maybe Dr. Jordan, he's a doctor, he can answer us that.

00:18:23.000 But that's what they've been trying to teach generations of young people for hundreds of years, as they roll their eyes, to try and be maybe a little bit more reasonable, maybe a little bit more questioning, maybe a little bit more rational.

00:18:33.000 And man, looking at the statistics, I mean, if you young progressives,

00:18:38.000 and we'll have Jordan Peterson to talk about this after this,

00:18:39.000 if you could only know now what you'll know then.

00:18:42.000 ♪ Oh, oh, Granddad, I laughed at all his words ♪ ♪ I thought he was a toxic man, taught me worldly ways ♪

00:19:02.000 ♪ It'll show you and it'll teach you before you even know ♪

00:19:07.000 ♪ The truth is blind and you soon will find ♪ ♪ That you don't even know ♪

00:19:16.000 ♪ I wish that I knew what I know now ♪ ♪ When I was younger, I wish that I knew what I know now ♪

00:19:27.000 ♪ But I was dumber to tax man such a greedy blow ♪ ♪ To steal your dough away ♪

00:19:34.000 Your paychecks cut in half again, all given to the state. 1.00

00:19:41.000 You'll come on strong and it ain't too long for it's spent on useless crap. 1.00

00:19:47.000 They'll rob you blind and you soon will find That you were raped again 1.00

00:19:53.000 When LGBT, it's A-I-P Cause the guy slapped on some tits 1.00

00:20:13.000 Your preferred pronouns are Z-R-N-C And no one gives a s*** 0.99

00:20:20.000 Oh, young grandson There's nothing I can say 1.00

00:20:26.000 It's how you learn that you're a dick And that's the hardest way 1.00

00:20:32.000 Ooh la la Ooh la la la la, yeah 0.99

00:20:45.000 I wish that I knew what I know now When I was younger 0.99

00:20:52.000 I wish that I knew what I know now But I was dumber 0.50

00:20:58.000 I wish that I knew what I know now When I was younger 0.99

00:21:04.000 I wish that I knew what I know now But I was an a**hole

00:21:47.000 I wish that I knew what I know now glad to have her next. Some might call him the wizard. 0.94

00:21:51.000 The wizard? He's the wiz!

00:21:53.000 He's the wiz. Big fan of him.

00:21:55.000 We've had him... You know, we wrote about him a long time ago at livewithcredder.com.

00:21:59.000 Then I saw him. He was appearing... I think he appeared on Joe Rogan's show.

00:22:02.000 Uh-huh. Then our show, within the same couple of days...

00:22:04.000 And now he's everywhere. And I'm proud to hopefully say that we played a part in his success.

00:22:08.000 He's helped a lot of young men and women out there.

00:22:10.000 You know him. He's a doctor.

00:22:12.000 You can follow him on the Twitter at JordanBPeterson.

00:22:14.000 And, of course, right now there's 12 Rules for Life.

00:22:16.000 It's his new book. Number one on Amazon.

00:22:18.000 Last time I checked... And you get a 25% discount code at selfauthoring.com with the promo code CROWDER. Doc Jordan Peterson, how are you, sir?

00:22:26.000 I'm quite well. How are you doing?

00:22:28.000 I'm doing... What's that... See, you always...

00:22:30.000 You smirk when you come on the show, like you're expecting...

00:22:32.000 Like there's some insult you have in the back of your mind, but you're being too...

00:22:35.000 You're too high on the agreeable scale to let it out.

00:22:38.000 Well, you've got to be on your guard with comedians, you know.

00:22:41.000 You never know what they're going to do.

00:22:43.000 I guess that's true. Usually ends up just being some form of public self-humiliation.

00:22:48.000 So I think you're safe here. But you're looking good.

00:22:51.000 You're looking golden.

00:22:52.000 Every time I see you, you look more and more like Gadsad.

00:22:54.000 So I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's your recent trip.

00:22:57.000 It's something in the Canadian air.

00:22:59.000 Yes. Well, you look happy, you look healthy.

00:23:01.000 People have talked about that recently.

00:23:02.000 And we've been talking about this for a while.

00:23:05.000 People kept requesting it, doing the self-assessment, the questionnaire with other members of the team, since I did it myself.

00:23:12.000 So we've had everyone do it.

00:23:13.000 Not everyone is here, Courtney and Gerald, but we have Sven Computer and NatKager did their questionnaires.

00:23:19.000 And I was wondering what, you know, looking over them, if there are any surprises or questions or things that stick out at you.

00:23:25.000 Again, that's self-offering. Shall we start out with Sven?

00:23:28.000 Let's look at, yes, let's look at Sven Computer.

00:23:30.000 Okay, what was most surprising there?

00:23:34.000 Well, he's got a pretty masculine temperament.

00:23:37.000 Really? I don't know if that's surprising.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, well, so he's rather low in agreeableness.

00:23:44.000 And he's rather, he's rather, let me just check here.

00:23:49.000 Does that sound like you, Sven Computer?

00:23:53.000 My suspicions are, you can ask him, and he's also low in neuroticism. 0.99

00:23:57.000 Oh, so he's a liar! 0.98

00:24:00.000 No, no. No, no. That's not it. 1.00

00:24:01.000 That's not it. Low in neuroticism?

00:24:04.000 Sven? What did you do?

00:24:05.000 Did you Google how to beat the test?

00:24:07.000 No, it's just the stereotypical German result. 0.82

00:24:10.000 I don't think I've ever seen anyone less neurotic outside of myself.

00:24:14.000 So people who are low in agreeableness, women are generally higher than men in agreeableness.

00:24:21.000 And so if you pick a random woman and a random man out of the crowd and you bet on who was...

00:24:27.000 Lower agreeableness.

00:24:28.000 If you bet it was the man, you'd be right 60% of the time.

00:24:31.000 So that's about the difference. And less agreeable people are more competitive and more blunt.

00:24:38.000 And they can be harsh in their assessments of others.

00:24:41.000 They tend to do what they want to do.

00:24:44.000 And they're tough negotiators.

00:24:47.000 They also tend to make pretty good managers because they're hard to push around.

00:24:51.000 Although it might also be slightly more difficult for them, depending on how disagreeable they are, to work in teams because they're not necessarily as cooperative.

00:25:02.000 But Sven is also very low in neuroticism.

00:25:05.000 Neuroticism is a negative emotion dimension.

00:25:08.000 And people who are low in neuroticism don't experience much anxiety.

00:25:12.000 They don't tend to avoid things because they're afraid.

00:25:15.000 They tend not to be easily upset.

00:25:17.000 They tend to keep their heads pretty stably upset.

00:25:21.000 Under almost all circumstances.

00:25:22.000 So Sven might appear to be relatively easy to get along with.

00:25:26.000 No, no, no, no, no. That's not the issue here.

00:25:28.000 The issue here is the neuroticism.

00:25:30.000 One need only watch Tuesday's episode to see.

00:25:32.000 Sven, how did you beat this test?

00:25:35.000 I just... You're nervous.

00:25:36.000 You make me nervous. I'm sorry.

00:25:40.000 Just right now. The overlays.

00:25:42.000 I don't have the overlays.

00:25:43.000 I don't know. I'm going to jump off the bridge.

00:25:45.000 I'm going to jump off the bridge. Sorry.

00:25:48.000 That's Sven Computer.

00:25:49.000 He beat the test! Well, I don't know what to say about that.

00:25:53.000 He's high in extroversion, so he's going to show quite a lot of positive emotion.

00:25:56.000 I imagine he can get excited about things.

00:25:59.000 He should be a good person for you to be working with because he's high in conscientiousness.

00:26:03.000 He is. And so that should make him dutiful, reliable, industrious, likely to do what he says he's going to do, likely to show up in time.

00:26:11.000 My suspicions are he doesn't miss much work.

00:26:15.000 Does that all concern you, though, when you tie that in with the fact that he's German?

00:26:19.000 You know, industriousness with certain people.

00:26:21.000 Sometimes we want to curb that.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, well, you know, those Germans, you have to watch out for them. 1.00

00:26:26.000 He is high in orderliness, which is a good predictor of conservative proclivity, by the way.

00:26:32.000 Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

00:26:34.000 And then with regards to openness, which is the creativity dimension, he is moderately high.

00:26:41.000 Yeah. So particularly high in intellect.

00:26:44.000 So he's interested in ideas a lot.

00:26:46.000 He has a relatively rare temperament, I would say, because someone who's creative like that, but also orderly, that's not that common.

00:26:56.000 And so that would also make him kind of a strange political animal, because the higher openness would tilt him a bit towards a liberal viewpoint, but the high orderliness would tilt him towards a conservative viewpoint.

00:27:07.000 Is he a libertarian? You're not really a libertarian, right?

00:27:10.000 You're more of a traditional conservative.

00:27:12.000 I would say that makes sense. I mean, I had that same kind of, I guess I was a bit of an anomaly with the test where I had very high orderliness and conscientiousness, but openness, particularly compassion, which is funny.

00:27:22.000 Politeness, I think I was, what, the bottom 2%?

00:27:25.000 And then I was, but like 94% for compassion.

00:27:28.000 Yeah, well, it's pretty hard to be a polite comedian.

00:27:32.000 Yeah. Yes, but I feel bad.

00:27:34.000 Because you have to say whatever you say.

00:27:36.000 Right, but I feel bad when I insult people afterwards.

00:27:38.000 Right. You know, I'm curious about Courtney, where she lined up on that. 0.61

00:27:42.000 But let's see Not Gay Jared. Any surprises to you about Not Gay Jared when he took his quiz?

00:27:48.000 And I know, by the way, for people out there, selfauthoring.com, you can take these quizzes.

00:27:51.000 It really is helpful to kind of look at a team dynamic and see how you're able to motivate certain people, what it is they need, how they communicate.

00:27:59.000 It's fascinating. It's kind of like love languages.

00:28:01.000 It's very valuable. Yeah, only I hate you. 0.74

00:28:05.000 Okay, so let's see what's happening with Not Gay Jared. 0.99

00:28:09.000 He's also quite disagreeable. 0.72

00:28:12.000 We have an entire office of disagreeable people.

00:28:16.000 Well, it's not surprising given what you do.

00:28:19.000 Yes. Right? I mean, it's not like you guys aren't exactly going out to make friends, right?

00:28:23.000 You're going out to satirize and to comment and to poke fun at and so forth.

00:28:29.000 And there's certainly obviously a role for that.

00:28:32.000 But it isn't surprising that you can't be too concerned about whether or not you're going to offend people or step on their toes precisely.

00:28:39.000 So, yeah.

00:28:40.000 So if there were 100 people in a room, Jared would be less agreeable than 84 of them.

00:28:46.000 Really? Yeah.

00:28:48.000 You're less agreeable than me.

00:28:50.000 That surprises me.

00:28:51.000 It surprises me. Less compassionate than you as well.

00:28:54.000 That doesn't surprise me at all. Nakajir doesn't share.

00:28:56.000 Probably likes to torture cats. 0.99

00:29:00.000 He's got the cat torture problem.

00:29:02.000 Yep, absolutely. I'm not even ashamed of that one.

00:29:04.000 He ate live crickets on the live stream and he had no problem with it.

00:29:07.000 That doesn't, that doesn't surprise, it does surprise me that you're less agreeable than me, but I would have thought you were higher in politeness and lower in compassion than myself.

00:29:14.000 So that seems about it. No, he's not, he's not high in politeness.

00:29:18.000 Less polite than 90 out of 100 people.

00:29:20.000 He's very high in conscientiousness.

00:29:21.000 Are you on my results? Are these my results?

00:29:23.000 Are these his results? Okay, George.

00:29:25.000 This is also a good staffing decision because he's also extremely high in conscientiousness, so it looks like he's a very reliable person.

00:29:32.000 Industrious, 85th percentile.

00:29:34.000 Orderliness, very high, 95th percentile.

00:29:37.000 Your studio must be spotless.

00:29:40.000 I think you might have the wrong one.

00:29:41.000 I don't think this is my profile.

00:29:43.000 They might be mislabeled.

00:29:44.000 They might be mislabeled.

00:29:45.000 Maybe he's reading Sven's. I have no idea.

00:29:47.000 Doesn't really matter, but the point is, you're fired.

00:29:49.000 Ha ha ha! Who came out with the highest IQ, if you look at those?

00:29:56.000 Did you see who it was? There's no IQ measure in this.

00:29:58.000 There's intellect, which is interest in ideas.

00:30:01.000 But you have to take a technical test for IQ. If you have a high IQ, you tend to be higher in openness.

00:30:09.000 There's a correlation between them because it's hard to be interested in ideas.

00:30:13.000 I mean, it requires a certain level of intelligence to be truly interested in ideas, obviously.

00:30:19.000 And so you'd see that under intellect.

00:30:21.000 But his intellect is high, 78th percentile, and openness a little bit lower.

00:30:28.000 So less interested in the aesthetic end of the creativity spectrum, but high in interest in ideas.

00:30:34.000 And again, that makes sense given what you guys do.

00:30:36.000 So, your personality profiles match up quite nicely with your chosen profession.

00:30:43.000 Disagreeable, extroverted.

00:30:45.000 Yes. Well, it doesn't sound good when you put it that way, Dr.

00:30:49.000 Peterson. But when you look at these self-assessment quizzes...

00:30:53.000 Obviously, we don't want it to be like 1984.

00:30:55.000 We don't want it to be like Communist China.

00:30:56.000 We're going, you're this person, so you're relegated to this for the rest of your life.

00:31:00.000 What's the real value here if you were to express it to young people?

00:31:03.000 And obviously, you've helped a lot of them with your 12 steps, your book, and self-authoring.

00:31:08.000 But what's pivotal for them to know about themselves, you think, and how they conduct their life?

00:31:12.000 Well, you should match your ambitions to your temperament.

00:31:16.000 Right. You know, if you're extroverted, then you should be working with people.

00:31:20.000 Because you're not going to be happy working on your own.

00:31:23.000 If you're introverted, you need a job where you can take a break from people because introverted people tend to get exhausted by social contact.

00:31:30.000 And so it's hard for them to do something like sales.

00:31:34.000 If you're high in neuroticism, then you're going to look for a job that has more security.

00:31:39.000 You're going to want to take fewer risks.

00:31:41.000 If you're high in agreeableness, you want to take care of people.

00:31:44.000 If you're low in agreeableness, you tend to want to work with things.

00:31:49.000 If you're high in conscientiousness, then that makes you a good manager and administrative type.

00:31:55.000 If you're high in openness, then you're entrepreneurial and creative.

00:32:00.000 It's not like they're exactly fixed, those traits.

00:32:03.000 They can be moved to some degree, but they're very strong proclivities.

00:32:07.000 It's much easier to match the job to you I've heard some doctors argue that improving your short-term memory can improve your scores.

00:32:37.000 Comparing that versus the neuroplasticity, the ability for the brain to sort of form, I guess you would say, new neurons, new neural pathways so that you can better improve behavioral patterns, that's a big part of what you do.

00:32:48.000 So how do you as a person learn where to cut that off, that this is my proclivity versus this is what I want to change and I'm capable of doing that?

00:32:56.000 Well, the problem is if you're introverted and you want to learn to be more social, you have to learn it from the bottom up.

00:33:01.000 You have to learn the micro skills that go along with it.

00:33:04.000 It's very effortful to move your personality.

00:33:07.000 And with IQ, you can think of IQ as breaking into two subcomponents.

00:33:12.000 There's a kind of a rate of learning measure, which would be fluid IQ, and there's a measure called crystallized IQ, which is like an assessment of how much you actually know You can raise your crystallized IQ by becoming more educated.

00:33:26.000 So if you want to get smarter, let's say, practically speaking, it's hard to change the rate at which you learn.

00:33:34.000 No one's really been able to figure out how to do that.

00:33:37.000 There are these companies that claim That if you do their cognitive exercises, that you'll show an improvement in overall intelligence.

00:33:46.000 But my sense is the evidence for that is very weak.

00:33:50.000 But education does raise your crystallized IQ. I wonder, though, how much of that could be learning almost how to learn.

00:33:58.000 For example, I never learned how to learn in school.

00:34:00.000 I never really learned math my entire 10th and 11th grade.

00:34:04.000 I never opened a textbook. I spent four hours with a tutor who sat me down and said, okay, hold on a second.

00:34:08.000 This is how you have to look at these numbers.

00:34:10.000 This is how you look at trigonometry.

00:34:11.000 And then I went... Boom!

00:34:12.000 Four sessions and I was able to do what I hadn't done all year.

00:34:15.000 Same thing with jiu-jitsu or boxing or any kind of sporting endeavor or doing this show.

00:34:20.000 For me, there's always a learning curve to the ability to learn that activity.

00:34:25.000 So could that... So imagine...

00:34:27.000 Well, imagine that two people have an equally competent teacher.

00:34:32.000 Okay, the person with the higher IQ will learn faster.

00:34:35.000 Right. But if you have a good teacher, that's going to be helpful to both of you.

00:34:40.000 So, obviously, the manner in which material is presented is of crucial importance.

00:34:46.000 It can be presented badly or well.

00:34:48.000 I had the same experience with you when I was taking statistics in university.

00:34:51.000 I was having a hard time with it, and I sat down with the tutor for about six hours, and he laid clear for me a variety of things that I hadn't experienced.

00:35:01.000 Learned and made it very straightforward.

00:35:05.000 And there is evidence, too, in the teaching profession that conscientious teachers in particular, I'm talking about at the elementary and junior high and high school level, can have a marked positive effect on their students.

00:35:17.000 Although teachers tend not to be selected on that basis, which is really too bad because we do know how to select better teachers.

00:35:23.000 Sometimes they're punished on that basis.

00:35:25.000 My senior English teacher, his grades were too high.

00:35:27.000 His name was... Well, he may not want his name being used in this show, so I won't use it.

00:35:31.000 But I remember he was very, very clear.

00:35:33.000 This was my English professor, teacher, senior year.

00:35:37.000 You read a book every semester.

00:35:39.000 You had a written test on reading comprehension of the book.

00:35:41.000 You had to write an essay, a literary essay on the book.

00:35:43.000 Then you had one oral, a persuasive essay, and then you had one other test that you do a written test that was more so a test on the English language, you know, writing skills.

00:35:51.000 And then there was 10% of your grade that was simply writing every single day in a journal.

00:35:55.000 That was it. You knew this every single semester.

00:35:58.000 And I remember his first two semesters, all of his students were engaged.

00:36:01.000 I mean, kids who typically were not engaged in class did very well.

00:36:04.000 I think the average grade was maybe something like 85%.

00:36:08.000 And the administration told him, your grades are too high.

00:36:11.000 So he lowered them five points for the next semester just because they had him do that.

00:36:14.000 That, to me, seemed antithetical to what a teacher should want to do.

00:36:18.000 As a teacher, you should want every student to get 100% at the end of the year in a perfect world.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, well, it's hard to assess teaching proficiency, and so we tend to do it very badly, and that really is too bad.

00:36:29.000 You asked earlier, too, why these results are useful.

00:36:33.000 It's useful to also know the results for your partner, because then you know what motivates them.

00:36:40.000 So, for example, If you have a partner who is not particularly engaged in novel and exciting things, it could easily be that they're low in openness or low in extroversion.

00:36:52.000 You need to understand that that's part of their temperament and not them just being arbitrarily difficult to get along with.

00:36:57.000 But it also helps you motivate people and understand them.

00:37:00.000 If you're married to an introvert...

00:37:04.000 If you're married to a...

00:37:05.000 Sorry. No, it's okay.

00:37:06.000 You caught it from me. It can even be caught by Skype.

00:37:09.000 I should have never come on this damn show. 0.99

00:37:14.000 There it is. That was a smirk at the beginning. 0.99

00:37:16.000 You were waiting. I got it now. Okay.

00:37:17.000 Let it out. Let it out. Well, so if you're in a relationship, there's going to be places where you have conflict because of your temperament.

00:37:25.000 And understanding that the other person's actually different from you can depersonalize that to some degree.

00:37:31.000 So, for example, if you're an extrovert and you're married to an introvert...

00:37:34.000 You need to understand that the introvert actually can't tolerate too much social contact.

00:37:39.000 It exhausts them. And so when your partner has had enough of the party or even enough of your house guests and needs to go be by themselves for a while, it's not because they're being mean or ignorant or difficult to get along with or any of those things.

00:37:52.000 It's just that they are wired so that they need time to recoup by themselves.

00:37:58.000 And if you're When you're a disagreeable person and you're married to an agreeable person, one of the things you have to learn is to not be too pushy and harsh, because the agreeable person won't do a very good job of negotiating for themselves.

00:38:11.000 Now, they'll do a really good job of taking care of you, and they might do a really good job of taking care of children, although they could also foster their dependency, which is the downside of agreeableness.

00:38:21.000 But it can alert you to the fact that You may have to modify your behavior to take the other person's temperament into account.

00:38:28.000 So how do I just convince my wife on the openness, like the Vietnamese sex hammock? 1.00

00:38:33.000 What's the... is there like a process? 0.98

00:38:36.000 That's on the perversion scale.

00:38:38.000 That's on the perversion! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:40.000 Now see, I'm seeing you high in the judgmental scale, Dr.

00:38:43.000 Peterson. I'll have my...

00:38:44.000 Very high, very high.

00:38:45.000 I'm judging you as I sit here.

00:38:47.000 All of you, in fact. Sweetheart, I'm sorry.

00:38:49.000 I'm sorry. Yes, this is not a judgment-free zone.

00:38:52.000 Now you've made that public.

00:38:53.000 She's going to be very happy with you.

00:38:55.000 I don't even know if it's a thing.

00:38:56.000 It's just a colloquial. Now that's exactly it.

00:38:58.000 You're impolite. You make that comment about your wife and now you feel guilty about it.

00:39:06.000 Nailed it! Nailed it!

00:39:07.000 But on a serious note, and then we have to go after this.

00:39:10.000 You talk about this as coupling and also in choosing your jobs and your profession.

00:39:15.000 But this also, it ties back to what we were talking about yesterday and we'll talk about with our next guest.

00:39:20.000 This ties back to it could have disastrous results with the Boy Scouts and putting in girls and not giving young men the ability to To draw away, to pull away, to have some recharge time, especially when they're young, and they don't know where they are on the agreeableness scale.

00:39:34.000 They don't necessarily understand the gender differences, and we're throwing them in a pup tent out there together telling them they're all the same. 0.97

00:39:40.000 What we're being taught right now, what's being taught in schools is the exact opposite of this, that everyone is interchangeable.

00:39:45.000 Well, look, look, one thing we do have to clear up here, and maybe we can stop with this.

00:39:50.000 You hear a lot of, well, a lot of nonsense, and I've had a lot of criticism directed towards me for making these claims, too.

00:39:57.000 Look, the scientific evidence with regards to gender differences in personality and interest is quite clear.

00:40:04.000 And it's very, very reliable and valid.

00:40:07.000 And I'll tell you why. So basically, the big differences between men and women are on agreeableness and negative emotion, neuroticism. 0.69

00:40:15.000 So women are higher in agreeableness and they're higher in negative emotion. 1.00

00:40:18.000 And I suspect the reason for that is that they have to be strongly predisposed to take care of infants.

00:40:24.000 And so you have to be somewhat self-sacrificing and you have to be sensitive to distress because otherwise you're not going to respond to a helpless infant fast enough and in a self-sacrificing enough manner.

00:40:35.000 Now, that isn't necessarily a wiring pattern that makes you all that capable of dealing with rather rough adult men.

00:40:42.000 But there's always trade-offs in terms of your specialization.

00:40:44.000 Okay, so now how do we know that These differences exist.

00:40:48.000 Well, the first is this temperament personality model was computer-derived, statistically derived.

00:40:54.000 It wasn't based on any a priori ideological theory.

00:40:58.000 It was extracted out from massive surveys of descriptive phrases and adjectives and sentences applied to tens of thousands of people in many, many different countries.

00:41:08.000 So it's been replicated cross-culturally.

00:41:10.000 It's a very stable model.

00:41:12.000 And what's found is that those differences exist cross-culturally.

00:41:16.000 Okay, but that doesn't demonstrate that the differences have a biological basis.

00:41:20.000 They could still be cultural.

00:41:22.000 So scientists did the next experiment, which was, okay, so imagine that you rank order countries by how egalitarian their social policies are.

00:41:31.000 So countries like the Scandinavian countries are right up at the top.

00:41:35.000 Okay, so then the hypothesis would be, If the personality differences were sociocultural in origin, then as societies became more egalitarian in their social policies, the differences between men and women would shrink.

00:41:50.000 That's exactly the opposite of what happened.

00:41:53.000 The more egalitarian the society, the larger the personality differences between men and women.

00:42:02.000 Now, and you might ask, well, why is that reliable?

00:42:05.000 Maybe right-wing psychologists invented this data to push their agenda forward. 0.64

00:42:09.000 Yes, the throngs of them. But what I'd like to point out, well, there are no right-wing psychologists.

00:42:15.000 I'm dead serious about that.

00:42:16.000 The people who put forward these hypotheses...

00:42:20.000 They weren't attempting to demonstrate that there were temperament differences between men and women.

00:42:25.000 They were just looking. And it wasn't in accord with their desired worldview, A, to find that there were differences and B, to find that as societies became more egalitarian, the differences got larger.

00:42:37.000 No one expected that.

00:42:38.000 But that's how it turned out.

00:42:40.000 That is fascinating, Captain. And I know I've heard you talk about that, that there's an inverse correlation directly there.

00:42:45.000 And it really is remarkable.

00:42:47.000 And that's why we are in some uncharted territory, kind of like we were with feminism in the 70s. 0.53

00:42:51.000 And we've seen some results now, some chickens coming home to roost.

00:42:54.000 We're seeing it go a little bit further now, where there are no more separated boys' clubs and girls' clubs.

00:42:58.000 Weird times to be alive. We'll see 15 years from now how that works out.

00:43:01.000 Okay, it is selfauthoring.com.

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00:43:14.000 Jordan Peterson, thank you so much, and I'm glad to see you.

00:43:17.000 You're looking very dapper.

00:43:19.000 Thanks. Thanks.

00:43:20.000 We'll talk. Yeah, I'm feeling quite a lot better.

00:43:22.000 So, great for that. Good to see you guys.

00:43:25.000 A little dance? A little dance? Because you're feeling good?

00:43:26.000 Little dance.

00:43:28.000 There we go.

00:43:30.000 Just like that.

00:43:32.000 That's about that time on the show where...

00:43:34.000 Oh, it's about that time on the show where...

00:43:37.000 ...Human Boy should do the library for Mug Club. 0.76

00:43:41.000 But he's too lazy. I bet you he just gonna exploit old Hopper.

00:43:44.000 Atlantawithcrowder.com slash mugclub. It's only $99 for people or 69 of the students, veterans, or active military.

00:43:51.000 And I bet you if they knew that it's used to fix my leg and buy me all the cheeses,

00:43:55.000 that they wouldn't have any problem joining. But some people, maybe some people know and they don't care.

00:44:00.000 I'm so tired of people who don't care and don't join Atlantawithcrowder.com slash mugclub.

00:44:06.000 I'm so tired.

00:44:09.000 What's going on? 0.94

00:44:12.000 Oh s**t. We don't have that much time because Dr. 0.97

00:44:37.000 Jordan Peterson loves to hear himself talk. 0.98

00:44:39.000 That guy. I love to hear our next guy talk.

00:44:42.000 Apparently he's auditioning for the next Steve Jobs biopic as well.

00:44:45.000 You had Ashton Kutcher, then you had, what's his name, the guy from X-Men.

00:44:49.000 X-Men, yeah. I always forget that guy's name.

00:44:51.000 Fassbender. Yeah, Michael Fassbender.

00:44:53.000 And of course our next guest, Stefan Molyneux at Stefan Molyneux, freedomainradio.com.

00:44:57.000 And his book is The Art of the Argument, theartoftheargument.com.

00:45:01.000 Stefan, how are you, sir? I'm very well.

00:45:03.000 I'm very well. How are you guys doing? You can hold it up longer.

00:45:06.000 It looked like he was about to plug it.

00:45:08.000 It's a drive-by. It's a drive-by plugging.

00:45:11.000 There we go. Art of the Argument.

00:45:13.000 And you can go back and watch a long-form interview in which Stefan and I, actually on both of our channels, where we swapped roles just to argue for the sake of arguing.

00:45:19.000 Seven. Boy Scouts.

00:45:21.000 We were just talking about this with Dr.

00:45:23.000 Jordan Peterson. We've been talking about this week.

00:45:24.000 I know you have some... What do you think about the girls' invasion of the Boy Scouts and, of course, the leaders willingly letting them in? 0.99

00:45:31.000 We don't know where this ends.

00:45:33.000 Well, we do know where it ends.

00:45:35.000 It ends generally in social collapse, as all gender roles are dissolved and there's no safe spaces for anyone.

00:45:40.000 And of course something just came out which talked about how the girl guides study says

00:45:44.000 well they learn better girls in all girls environments led by girls and so on and you

00:45:49.000 need mentorship you see for girls but boys apparently you can just mix and match. Now

00:45:53.000 I was a boy scout and I went to an all boys boarding school.

00:45:56.000 I actually think it did me quite a bit of good when it came to masculinity and so on

00:46:00.000 so the whole point is to keep men away from strong male.

00:46:03.000 Role models so that they're forever going to be deferential to the ladies. 0.59

00:46:08.000 And that's how democracy kind of works these days, or at least lurches from side to side.

00:46:12.000 Well, I'm glad that you had that in all-boys school, but please tell me you had occasionally a co-ed mixer in there somewhere.

00:46:19.000 Well, I was six when I went, so it was not number one on my thoughts.

00:46:24.000 But yes, there was a girls' school next door, and we had our mixers.

00:46:28.000 Yes, these weren't necessarily sanctioned mixers.

00:46:32.000 For how long were you a Boy Scout, Stephan?

00:46:34.000 I don't picture you as a Boy Scout. It was a couple of years, for sure.

00:46:37.000 I mean, and actually, it ended up being quite helpful when I ended up working in the bush up north, gold panning and prospecting after high school and so on.

00:46:44.000 So, no, I did it.

00:46:45.000 I enjoyed it. I made good friends, enjoyed the camaraderie and the cookouts and the campouts and learning how to tie knots that I couldn't for the life of me remember how to do now.

00:46:54.000 But if I am ever stuck on a sailboat, I probably am totally set.

00:46:57.000 Yes. Now, did you do this in Canada, the Boy Scouts?

00:47:00.000 No, this was in England.

00:47:02.000 Okay, that's right. I always go back and forth on where you were when.

00:47:04.000 Yeah, because in Canada, I don't know if you know this, that before Boy Scouts, it's beavers.

00:47:09.000 It was little beavers.

00:47:11.000 Yes, that's exactly what it is.

00:47:12.000 The boys' organization was beavers, and that's what I did for two years before Boy Scouts.

00:47:16.000 I didn't know if you were a beaver. No, I didn't go in that young.

00:47:21.000 But it is really fascinating, this whole question of gender dissolution.

00:47:25.000 Right. And if we're going to say that gender doesn't matter, that is one way of breaking down these barriers, which may actually exist for a reason we might find out only after we've torn them down. 0.99

00:47:37.000 But the question is then, if there's really no such thing as gender, if gender is completely fluid, then clearly what we need to do is we need to get rid of all gender-based laws, because it's based upon a delusion that there is such a thing as gender.

00:47:50.000 Right. And so if we believe that redheaded people were fundamentally different from brown haired people, we may end up with different laws.

00:47:57.000 Once we understand that they're not, then we would need to get rid of laws that would prejudice or benefit or harm one hair color over another.

00:48:04.000 So clearly we need to get rid of all laws based on gender, which means we need to get rid of things 0.99

00:48:09.000 like affirmative action for women, equal pay for work of equal value. We need to get rid of set 1.00

00:48:13.000 asides and preferential loans from the federal government to female headed businesses and so on, 0.99

00:48:18.000 because you really can't have it both ways. Don't get me wrong, people love to have it both ways,

00:48:21.000 but rationally you can't. If you're going to say that gender doesn't matter,

00:48:24.000 then it needs to not matter in the law, or we need to take a big combine harvester to all.

00:48:28.000 Of the weeds of gender preference legislation that have erupted over the past 50 years.

00:48:33.000 That's a really good point. I will say redheads in the light of the crater offices have to use a different drinking fountain, but that's because it's my house, my rules. 1.00

00:48:39.000 When it comes to the gender issue, on the flip side, I know you at one point were more liberal and more libertarian.

00:48:45.000 So I'm just using this kind of as a mental exercise.

00:48:49.000 Dennis Prager talked about this when he talked about same-sex marriage.

00:48:51.000 And he said, my concern was same-sex marriage.

00:48:53.000 This was a long time ago. I remember Perez Hilton and him debating on CNN. He said, what you're doing here when you're calling it marriage, because at this point it wasn't about civil unions.

00:49:01.000 It was about marriage. He said, my worry is that you are declaring men and women fundamentally interchangeable.

00:49:06.000 He said, I don't believe that two fathers can give everything to a child that a mother and a father can. 0.96

00:49:11.000 And I don't believe that two mothers can. 0.99

00:49:12.000 He said, I think that's a fundamental difference, and I think to begin to dissolve those lines is dangerous.

00:49:18.000 And everyone called him a—Dennis Prager.

00:49:20.000 Dennis Prager, a hate speaker back then.

00:49:22.000 Whether you agree with it or not, to me, it was always the most compelling argument at the time.

00:49:26.000 Looking back, regardless of where people—can we see that as maybe, ah, once we went over there, it was tough to go back past that line.

00:49:34.000 We've declared them to be fundamentally interchangeable.

00:49:37.000 Well, and physically and psychologically, that does not appear to be the case.

00:49:41.000 Biologically, in terms of psychological testings, as I'm sure Jordan Peterson has pointed out, there are clusters of personality traits that aggregate more to the female, and there are clusters of personality traits that aggregate more towards the male.

00:49:52.000 And they're not going away anytime soon.

00:49:55.000 They're universal across cultures.

00:49:56.000 They're universal across countries and continents.

00:49:58.000 And therefore, to imagine that they're just going to vanish, this is the old thing that the left generally does, is they say human nature is a complete blank slate.

00:50:06.000 We can wipe it clean and we can design a society based upon ideology rather than on biology, which is kind of funny because they tend to be rather secular and very much into Darwin.

00:50:16.000 And Darwin would say, of course, that men and women have evolved for different roles.

00:50:20.000 And that doesn't mean there's lots of overlap.

00:50:22.000 It doesn't mean that anyone's better or worse.

00:50:24.000 It's just... It's different. Like if you've got two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle to finish the puzzle, you don't say which one is better.

00:50:30.000 They're both necessary and equal.

00:50:32.000 But this idea like they tried this in the Soviet Union, right, where they say, we're going to design a system that doesn't rely on humans' desire for profit.

00:50:39.000 And it's like, well, we kind of need that to have a system that's going to function.

00:50:44.000 This idea that you can just scrub You know, 200,000 years of evolution free or billions of years of evolution going further back, that you can just scrub all of that away and just design things from scratch, it is a fantasy.

00:50:56.000 And it doesn't work.

00:50:57.000 And how many times it needs to not work seems to be pretty much an infinity.

00:51:00.000 I mean, just look at what's going on in Venezuela these days.

00:51:02.000 We don't need a system based on profit.

00:51:04.000 Hey, look at that. You get to hunt pigeons with a stick in the sewer.

00:51:08.000 I don't know if they're hunting them with a stick.

00:51:10.000 I'm pretty sure they have the slingshot there, Steph.

00:51:12.000 And I won't allow misrepresentations on my show.

00:51:14.000 But, you know, you've talked quite a bit about cultural appropriation.

00:51:17.000 This is something that I've thought about.

00:51:19.000 Maybe it's totally invalid.

00:51:20.000 You can let me know here what you think about this.

00:51:22.000 If they say, okay, gender is largely cultural, sociological, the two have kind of become interchangeable now, certainly as we relate to the transgender community.

00:51:29.000 It's culture, gender. 0.91

00:51:31.000 Okay. Then we have to acknowledge, we remove biology.

00:51:33.000 Let's say gender is cultural. 0.98

00:51:36.000 There have been cultural norms like the Boy Scouts for men.

00:51:39.000 They are Boy Scouts.

00:51:40.000 So that was culturally ingrained. Fine.

00:51:42.000 But then how is it not cultural appropriation for women to say, by the way, we're now going in the Boy Scouts. 0.99

00:51:47.000 Well, that's a part of male culture and you're appropriating it. 0.61

00:51:51.000 Well, I mean, it is a whole historical thing.

00:51:54.000 And it's the old argument that boys and girls need different things to mature.

00:52:00.000 This comes a lot out of the increasing power of single mother culture. 1.00

00:52:05.000 Single mother culture has a big problem if it turns out that boys need male role models, and not the kind of fly-by-night guy sleeping on the couch because he can't date someone other than a single mother kind of guy, but a steady, dedicated father who's their protector and provider, all of that kind of good stuff.

00:52:22.000 Now, if boys do need fathers in their lives, then single mother culture, the welfare state, all of that giant mess has been a massive disaster that has hugely harmed children. 0.62

00:52:33.000 Feminists say that women need role models. 1.00

00:52:36.000 They need role models in science.

00:52:38.000 How on earth could a woman figure out if she's supposed to be a scientist or allowed to be a scientist unless she sees 10 female scientists? 1.00

00:52:43.000 They need mentorship. According to feminists, women need mentorship in business. 1.00

00:52:46.000 They need mentorship as girls.

00:52:48.000 They need girls to show them the way and to show them what's possible. 0.99

00:52:51.000 But then when it comes to boys, there's this weird blank that happens.

00:52:54.000 It's like, okay, well, if girls need mentorship from mature adult females, Don't boys need mentorship for mature adult males?

00:53:02.000 Now of course if we accept that they do, single mother culture, single mother subsidization

00:53:07.000 through the welfare state has been a giant mistake that has perhaps irrevocably harmed

00:53:11.000 generations of boys at the moment.

00:53:13.000 I think that's a very important point and it's one that we'll have to end on.

00:53:16.000 If you are correct and in fact boys need a father, and girls for that matter need a father, 0.99

00:53:21.000 then Jennifer Aniston's character in Friends was just a selfish bitch. 1.00

00:53:25.000 That is Stefan Molyneux, Art of the Argument, artoftheargument, theartoftheargument.com. 0.98

00:53:29.000 Thank you Stefan for stopping by.

00:53:31.000 We'll have another long-form conversation soon.

00:53:32.000 Take care, man. All the best.

00:53:34.000 🎵 🎵

00:53:54.000 Put that script down! 0.97

00:53:57.000 Put the jokes down!

00:54:00.000 Now! Hands up!

00:54:05.000 Over the head! 1.00

00:54:07.000 Now turn around!

00:54:10.000 Prouder to you or to get demonetized?

00:54:13.000 Pay attention!

00:54:19.000 Get down on your knees right now! 0.99

00:54:23.000 Ready to go!

00:54:42.000 What up, huh?

00:54:47.000 What up? Where'd he go?

00:54:49.000 Guy to the Navy, Schumer, I feel pretty right here, right off his nail!

00:54:53.000 What? Yeah! Boom! 1.00

00:54:57.000 What?

00:55:13.000 Oh Oh

00:55:51.000 I've got to be on the mic. Whoo does not get you. I wasn't there

00:55:54.000 Ooh.

00:55:56.000 And Hopper just lay there like a slug.

00:55:58.000 Oh, look at him. He's not a very helpful producer, is he?

00:56:00.000 No, he's pretty much the worst.

00:56:02.000 Fortunately, all the sponsors who are coming and banging on the show's door right now, they want Hopper.

00:56:06.000 They want him to read for their products.

00:56:08.000 He's their Hank.

00:56:10.000 Thank you to Doc Peterson and to Stefan Mollett.

00:56:13.000 Cover for me! Good covering.

00:56:15.000 Intelligent thoughts. So good at that.

00:56:20.000 Stupid cough. I don't know. 1.00

00:56:21.000 I don't know the stupid bronchitis and it's just, I hate all the things. 0.99

00:56:26.000 You know, one thing I want, and we have a, I don't know exactly. 0.99

00:56:29.000 I'm going to keep my words limited here because if you can hear, I'm losing my voice.

00:56:33.000 Thank you so much to everyone who's tuned.

00:56:34.000 Thank you to our wonderful guests. I know Jordan Peterson is on tour, by the way, speaking right now.

00:56:37.000 Ruben, I think is with him. Doing some stuff.

00:56:39.000 I don't exactly know what he's doing.

00:56:41.000 There are some big protests, some NRA conventions and stuff going on this weekend, which we may or may not attend.

00:56:47.000 Or send interns to attend.

00:56:49.000 Who knows? You don't know.

00:56:50.000 We're everywhere. Like a ghost.

00:56:53.000 Like a ghost.

00:56:55.000 One thing, you know, we did this self-assessment.

00:56:58.000 I did it before. You can go back and watch the full segment.

00:57:02.000 I got a lot of feedback on that, and I actually had an email recently, which is what kind of reminded me of this, saying, why would you do that?

00:57:08.000 Why would you do that segment out there for the world to see?

00:57:11.000 Because, listen... Yeah, I have some neuroticisms.

00:57:14.000 I have some neuroses. I have some issues.

00:57:16.000 And I try to be pretty open about certain mental health things that I've struggled with and everyone does to one degree or another.

00:57:22.000 Mental health doesn't mean that you're broken.

00:57:23.000 Just like dealing with health, being in control of your health, period, can be as simple as going to the gym.

00:57:29.000 Right now, I'm not physically healthy.

00:57:30.000 Sometimes it ebbs and flows.

00:57:32.000 And that's one thing a lot of people only...

00:57:34.000 I'm going to talk about it when there's a Heath Ledger, when there's a Philip Seymour Hoffman.

00:57:38.000 And that's not all-encompassing of mental health.

00:57:42.000 And I think it's important. I really do recommend that you read Dr.

00:57:45.000 George Peterson's books because there's this ill-conceived notion that the right doesn't believe that words can hurt, that sticks and stones can break my bones.

00:57:52.000 I don't believe that.

00:57:54.000 I've never claimed that. Words can absolutely hurt.

00:57:58.000 Certainly when they're from people who you...

00:58:01.000 Think highly of their opinion.

00:58:03.000 Yeah, people who are in positions of authority.

00:58:05.000 Words can start wars, okay?

00:58:07.000 Now, that's not to say that someone calling you a name is the same as somebody shooting you, right?

00:58:11.000 And that kind of lends itself here to this bigger problem we have.

00:58:14.000 We have an entire generation of people who've warped words, their meaning, who've warped the context of words, the magnitude of words.

00:58:23.000 On a simple note, when people say, that's awesome, that's awesome.

00:58:26.000 No, listen. Awesome is assisting chapel.

00:58:30.000 Awesome is not the recent Star Wars film.

00:58:33.000 Awesome is not your fidget spinner.

00:58:35.000 But it's lost all meaning when someone says awesome is supposed to be something that's awe-inspiring.

00:58:39.000 I know Courtney's pet peeve is literally.

00:58:42.000 A lot of words have lost meaning.

00:58:43.000 We have a generation of people who have not been raised.

00:58:46.000 You look at that in tandem with no personal responsibility.

00:58:49.000 A lot of young men, a lot of young women who don't know the difference between words that really do hurt, and there are words that hurt, And ones you ignore.

00:58:58.000 People don't know the difference between word injuries and ouchies.

00:59:01.000 You've heard me talk about that. You hear athletes talk about that.

00:59:03.000 Athletes train through physical ouchies hurt all the time.

00:59:07.000 And injury is different.

00:59:08.000 And there are words that can injure.

00:59:10.000 There are words that can maim.

00:59:11.000 I've had those. When I was fired unceremoniously at 12 or 13 from Arthur because my voice changed.

00:59:17.000 They don't typically come from Twitter eggs.

00:59:19.000 No, they don't typically come from Twitter eggs.

00:59:21.000 So sometimes they hit a note and you're like, ooh.

00:59:24.000 That's right. I do have gray hair on my sideburns.

00:59:27.000 Son of a bitch, Twitter egg. 1.00

00:59:29.000 That's one for you. So your words, they can damage. 1.00

00:59:34.000 But you need to take charge of your words.

00:59:36.000 Everyone needs to take charge of their words.

00:59:37.000 And this idea, though, that comes from left, we were talking about this before.

00:59:40.000 That's why leftism kind of lends itself well, I think, to...

00:59:46.000 Well, if I had all the money, if I had all the money, I would get things right.

00:59:50.000 Everything would be perfect. The same thing that you see now with the left in control of words and hate speech laws, as you see with Trudeau and candidates.

00:59:57.000 Well, if I had control of all the words, if I could just be in charge of words, then we could fix the problem.

01:00:05.000 It's childish. We see that same mentality, of course.

01:00:07.000 We see that same mentality in children versus adults, right?

01:00:09.000 We see it with kids.

01:00:11.000 Well, if I had my way, I could eat brownies all night and strawberry syrup, and I'd be perfectly fine.

01:00:16.000 If I had my way, I'd do X, Y, and Z, and the world would be better.

01:00:20.000 We see it with people who choose security.

01:00:21.000 Over risk and reward. We see armchair quarterbacks, or sometimes comparing, for example, union employees with business owners, independent contractors, people who work on commission.

01:00:30.000 If I were in charge, I'd do it this way and it would be perfect.

01:00:34.000 Believe you me, if I were in charge of it, well, guess what?

01:00:37.000 Like I said earlier, in this case here, I am in charge.

01:00:39.000 It's never do this, do that, and things fall into place.

01:00:41.000 Things are never perfect.

01:00:43.000 When you're in charge of other people, when you're held responsible for, it could be in this case, I'm talking about a business, it could be when you're held responsible for a family, for a platoon, for yourself, for crying out loud, you learn really quickly to take inventory of serious damage or nicks and bruises.

01:00:59.000 When you enter the arena enough, when you use your body enough, when you use your mind enough, when you're using your language enough, you learn to tell the difference between injuries and ouchies.

01:01:08.000 And so why do we talk about this? Why is this important?

01:01:09.000 Because I don't want people to go out there and say, oh, Stephen believes in free speech.

01:01:12.000 He believes that words are inconsequential and you shouldn't fear.

01:01:16.000 There should be no reverential treatment of words.

01:01:18.000 No, there absolutely should.

01:01:19.000 And I understand I get emails from a lot of people, particularly one gentleman this week.

01:01:23.000 We kind of talked about some of these issues with Jordan Peterson.

01:01:25.000 I hope you know who you are. With mental health issues, words can hurt.

01:01:29.000 I understand that that does not fall on deaf ears.

01:01:31.000 Sometimes people think it's not lost on me.

01:01:33.000 Words absolutely can hurt. I know that they can hurt.

01:01:36.000 Even flippant comments like, oh man, you're not right in the head. 1.00

01:01:40.000 You're crazy. Sometimes for people who have serious mental health issues, that bothers them. 1.00

01:01:44.000 But guess what? That's an ouchie.

01:01:46.000 That's an ouchie. I really hope, I think a big component to this, it's a big component to when we talk about these generational gaps, we've talked about this, boys who didn't grow up with brothers.

01:01:56.000 Yeah. Right? Or often girls.

01:01:59.000 You'll find if you didn't grow up with sisters and you get married or something and your wife, sometimes she, you know, you roughhousing a little bit and she pushes you.

01:02:07.000 Right? And you're like...

01:02:09.000 Ow, that was really hard!

01:02:10.000 Or boys didn't have brothers.

01:02:12.000 They don't realize that that's not how you handle these situations.

01:02:15.000 Because they never learned the difference between an ouchie and an injury.

01:02:18.000 I had a brother. I had one friend.

01:02:21.000 He had no brothers.

01:02:22.000 I kind of shoved him as a kid.

01:02:23.000 He came back and he kicked me in the shin until it drew blood. 0.97

01:02:28.000 I'm like, what the hell's wrong with you? 0.65

01:02:29.000 I'm just doing the same thing.

01:02:30.000 That's the same situation.

01:02:31.000 That's the same scenario now with young people and words or things that they feel harm them.

01:02:38.000 Not all grievances are of equal value.

01:02:41.000 They're not even necessarily all legitimate.

01:02:44.000 I understand it.

01:02:45.000 Listen, words can absolutely hurt.

01:02:48.000 I don't want to see people out there in the right act as though they don't.

01:02:50.000 But it's important with your life experience to take inventory when something bothers you.

01:02:55.000 And Jordan Peterson talks about this.

01:02:56.000 Go, you know, do the Terminator reset.

01:02:57.000 Okay, what's going on here? Kind of like you do with your body as you get older every single morning.

01:03:01.000 Now that I've hit 30, every time I wake up, I go, okay, how's my knee?

01:03:04.000 How's my lower back? What's going on with my elbows?

01:03:06.000 Is it humid today? All right, take inventory.

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