Louder with Crowder - February 15, 2019


#435 TWITTER’S LIBERAL AGENDA EXPOSED! | Gavin McInnes & Lauren Southern Guest | Louder With Crowder

Topics
big tech regulation Twitter’s Echo Chamber repeated tweets and policies Changing My Mind on Immigration human trafficking Hopper accounts Hopper
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Steven Crowder
Mentioned
Jack Dorsey Sam Harris Gavin McInnes Donald Trump Susan Wojcicki Lauren Southern Watch Dorsey Clint Howard Nigel Farage Cory Booker Joe Rogan Brexit Walther Firearms Happy Valentine Boris Johnson Megan Murphy Mark Ruffalo Zuckerberg Garrett Augustus Mohammed Gloop and 70 more
#433 WHY TRUMP WINS RE-ELECTION | Gavin McInnes and Hodgetwins | Louder With Crowder #439 LEGAL UPDATE: TIME TO SUE!! | Bill Richmond and James O'Keefe Guest | Louder With Crowder

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1 hour and 20 minutes

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200.16

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16,056

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1,582

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Misogyny

40

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Toxicity

125

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Hate speech

40

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This week on Louder with Crowder Studios, we hear about a woman who thinks she's a man, a man who thinks he's a woman, and a man that thinks he might be a woman. Plus, we talk about the latest in the Jack Dorsey saga, and Slate accuses President Trump of having a sex disorder.

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00:00:00.000 Louder with Crowder Studios.
00:00:01.000 Protected exclusively by Walther.
00:00:04.000 And Hopper.
00:00:09.000 Nosotros somos Muck Club. 0.84
00:00:14.000 No los mariconas, YouTube heroes. 1.00
00:00:18.000 You son of a bitch! 1.00
00:00:20.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! 1.00
00:00:23.000 Don't do this, kid.
00:00:27.000 I won't.
00:00:28.000 It'll move us.
00:00:30.000 No!
00:00:31.000 Don't move us!
00:00:32.000 It's about to feel astute.
00:00:34.000 It's more than you can handle.
00:00:36.000 You see, I have hair.
00:00:39.000 That Susan was this!
00:00:41.000 Oh my! 0.58
00:00:49.000 The the
00:00:57.000 the the
00:02:18.000 The mixed lawyer.
00:02:20.000 Mrs. Wojcicki.
00:02:23.000 Have you seen one before?
00:02:26.000 I've never had the pleasure of seeing one in person.
00:02:31.000 Seven Duchess. 0.69
00:02:33.000 Chinese.
00:02:35.000 Chubby.
00:02:35.000 Like a baby.
00:02:38.000 I saw your mind.
00:02:40.000 I saw your beliefs.
00:02:41.000 They break you in half.
00:02:42.000 Follow me.
00:02:46.000 My club always thinks that the truth is the best.
00:02:50.000 Like our lesbians. 1.00
00:02:50.000 They've never described it. 1.00
00:02:53.000 They don't send me jokes.
00:02:56.000 And the couch.
00:02:57.000 I hope you can do the same.
00:02:59.000 Once.
00:02:59.000 The same is true of you, Putin.
00:03:02.000 I swear to you.
00:03:04.000 Why don't you make a deal with the PDC?
00:03:10.000 The DGNs had classified 900 organizations as soviet groups.
00:03:17.000 The best opportunity to take down the Mood Club as one. 0.68
00:03:26.000 Negro, please. 1.00
00:03:28.000 But they won't go to the Mood Club.
00:03:32.000 If you try to stop us, they'll eat my organ.
00:03:38.000 Chino Mixto.
00:03:40.000 You're a stranger in hope, that's what I know.
00:04:09.000 I'm a speedy disaster.
00:04:23.000 That's called the third chair is too cool for school right now.
00:04:26.000 Yeah, I can feel it.
00:04:27.000 Perhaps a little inebriated, but I do, I'm a big fan, of course, DefendGavin.com.
00:04:31.000 Gavin McInnes, how are you, sir?
00:04:32.000 Hello, everyone.
00:04:33.000 How are you?
00:04:33.000 I see what you did there.
00:04:34.000 See, usually a hat would be worn under the headphones.
00:04:38.000 Well, if your hat has a brim, then you have to wear it on top of your headphones, and it takes intense balancing, but I was an African woman for many years, and we would go and collect water from a river that was about four miles from our mud hut.
00:04:50.000 Was this in a previous life, or just when you were a racist?
00:04:53.000 Uh, no, I identified as an African woman. 0.73
00:04:55.000 Okay, alright, that's fair.
00:04:57.000 And then someone said, why don't you move the mud hut next to the war?
00:05:01.000 And I had never thought of that, and I stopped carrying water in my head.
00:05:04.000 That makes sense, but you still wear the headphones.
00:05:06.000 It's like riding a bike.
00:05:07.000 Here, there you go, show them your hood pass.
00:05:08.000 That's awful.
00:05:09.000 And G. Morgan Jr., what's the wine of the day?
00:05:11.000 Wine of the day is Lang Twins Pinot Noir.
00:05:12.000 And I'm leaving this one!
00:05:14.000 I'm leaving it!
00:05:14.000 I'm leaving it!
00:05:15.000 I'm leaving it.
00:05:15.000 Not anymore.
00:05:19.000 A quick question of the day.
00:05:21.000 We're going to be talking about Jack Dorsey, of course.
00:05:23.000 That's been the topic of this week.
00:05:25.000 Where do you line up here?
00:05:25.000 Is it time for the government to regulate big tech as public utilities?
00:05:28.000 I know there's some different opinions on the right.
00:05:31.000 I'm not quite there.
00:05:32.000 We talked about it during Ash Wednesday yesterday.
00:05:34.000 We'll run through the clips of Joe Rogan and Sam Harris and all the stuff going on with Jack Dorsey.
00:05:39.000 Before we get to that, Happy Valentine's Day!
00:05:41.000 Oh yeah!
00:05:42.000 Said everyone this morning and my heart just about sank through my bottom.
00:05:46.000 I genuinely forgot about Valentine's Day.
00:05:48.000 Did you really?
00:05:49.000 Yes.
00:05:49.000 Slate didn't though.
00:05:50.000 Slate is actually claiming that Donald Trump is ruining sex! 0.99
00:05:53.000 Oh, of course! 0.99
00:05:54.000 Citing quote, post-Trump sex disorder, they claim Donald Trump created feelings of fear, loathing, and of just not 0.99
00:06:00.000 wanting to have sex. 1.00
00:06:02.000 So yeah, amongst your other personal problems, you can now blame Trump for your sexual dysfunction. 0.99
00:06:07.000 Unsurprisingly though, Pfizer has already developed a drug to help. 0.91
00:06:10.000 Oh good.
00:06:11.000 Have you been struggling with an embarrassing problem for frankly like the last two years?
00:06:17.000 Does reading Fox and BuzzFeed, okay, leave you feeling like not quite a man? 0.98
00:06:22.000 Do President Trump's witty tweets leave your dicks off? 0.95
00:06:25.000 Then, frankly, Trump Palace, okay, is for you. 0.93
00:06:29.000 Trumpalice.
00:06:30.000 Do not use Trumpalice during historic job growth.
00:06:32.000 Trumpalice is not covered by Obamacare.
00:06:34.000 Trumpalice may not be effective if you're vegan, drive an electric car, or live in San Francisco.
00:06:37.000 Erections from Trumpalice may last four years.
00:06:40.000 Should your erection last a second term, consult your physician, though there's pretty much nothing you can do. 0.73
00:06:43.000 Trumpalice. 0.99
00:06:45.000 Not for Mexicans. 1.00
00:06:49.000 It almost seems like he's not the person who should be narrating that.
00:06:54.000 I agree with everything you've been saying, by the way.
00:06:56.000 Jokes are my reality now.
00:06:57.000 My sex life has been hurt by Trump.
00:06:59.000 My wife doesn't like Trump. 0.99
00:07:01.000 And I don't think Mexicans have a problem with erectile dysfunction. 0.76
00:07:06.000 Oh, I don't know. 0.55
00:07:06.000 That's true because there are so many of them. 0.55
00:07:08.000 That's also because a lot of them are Catholic.
00:07:10.000 Also, we should note that your wife doesn't like Trump because you do refer to your small member as Trump.
00:07:14.000 That's the nickname.
00:07:16.000 In international news, there was an explosion in a German chocolate factory.
00:07:20.000 The firefighters closed off the... What were you about to say?
00:07:23.000 Don't do that.
00:07:23.000 You sounded like Bill Superfoot Wallace in the first UFC.
00:07:26.000 Did you hear when he was commentating?
00:07:27.000 He goes, and with fighting... Oh God, that guy just lost his tooth.
00:07:31.000 This is literally his face.
00:07:32.000 He goes...
00:07:35.000 Did he really do that?
00:07:36.000 On air, I swear to you.
00:07:37.000 I watched it.
00:07:37.000 I googled Bill Superfoot Wallace.
00:07:39.000 And it wasn't, the fights hadn't even started.
00:07:41.000 And I think Brian Kilmeade was there.
00:07:42.000 He goes, hey, I'm gonna have it.
00:07:45.000 Just like this look of horror on his face where he knows he's been immediately laid off.
00:07:50.000 German chocolate factory exploded.
00:07:52.000 This comes from NBC News.
00:07:53.000 The firefighters closed off the street and shoveled the chocolate about 108 square feet.
00:07:57.000 I'm surprised they don't use meters here.
00:07:58.000 To one side before a specialist cleaning company cleaned the road. 0.78
00:08:02.000 Unfortunately, that specialty cleaning company turned out to be a refugee rape gang led by none other than the notorious Augustus Mohammed Gloop. 1.00
00:08:09.000 Yeah, that was sad to find. 0.99
00:08:11.000 Look at the monster you created, son of a Milwaukee. 1.00
00:08:13.000 Look at the monster you have created! 0.98
00:08:16.000 This is unnecessary.
00:08:17.000 I don't feel good about bringing Gene Wilder into this.
00:08:19.000 No.
00:08:20.000 It hurts.
00:08:21.000 I was never in the nation of Islam!
00:08:23.000 You're lying!
00:08:24.000 No!
00:08:24.000 No!
00:08:25.000 No!
00:08:25.000 Never!
00:08:27.000 That's a sad waste of chocolate right there.
00:08:29.000 Especially on Valentine's Day.
00:08:30.000 Come on! 0.61
00:08:31.000 And it's a sad waste of a good Gene Wilder impression.
00:08:33.000 Let's be honest, this is not when I wanted to take that out.
00:08:35.000 Should save it.
00:08:38.000 Turning to the 2020 race because that interests Gavin, I know.
00:08:40.000 Oh, the hat's gone.
00:08:41.000 His sex will get better if, you know, if Trump loses apparently.
00:08:43.000 That's true.
00:08:44.000 Do you find yourself conflicted?
00:08:46.000 What do you mean?
00:08:46.000 When it comes to sex, there's no conflict.
00:08:50.000 I'll take it anywhere, in any way, shape, or form.
00:08:52.000 Yeah, but you said Cory Booker can count on your vote.
00:08:57.000 That's a bit too far.
00:08:58.000 What am I conflicted about?
00:08:59.000 Well, no, because you said your sex life was harmed by Trump.
00:08:59.000 Trump?
00:09:02.000 I don't masturbate. 1.00
00:09:02.000 No, no, no. 1.00
00:09:03.000 So... How does that...?
00:09:05.000 What the...? 0.97
00:09:06.000 Sex is happening. 0.99
00:09:07.000 Sex is happening. 0.88
00:09:08.000 It's almost like, sorry.
00:09:10.000 Like, as I walk towards her, I'm like, sorry.
00:09:12.000 I don't want to either.
00:09:14.000 You signed on for this ride.
00:09:15.000 You knew what you were getting into.
00:09:17.000 We're both involuntary here.
00:09:18.000 You mentioned that you had Gary Wilson on your show and he talked about that.
00:09:21.000 Guys who weren't using pornography were chasing their wives around and most wives like it. 1.00
00:09:25.000 Fortunately, not most. 0.99
00:09:27.000 If you masturbate and you watch porn and your wife puts you in the doghouse, you're like, fine, I'll set up in the doghouse. 1.00
00:09:32.000 But when she cuts off the spigot and there's no other option, it sucks to be in the doghouse. 1.00
00:09:38.000 a lot of control over you. Turning to the 2020 race, Cory Booker, speaking of which,
00:09:38.000 No, it can't.
00:09:42.000 he claimed that our planet simply can't sustain people eating meat.
00:09:45.000 No, no it can't. This is what he said to the vegan presidential
00:09:48.000 candidate. Those are words that I never thought I would say.
00:09:51.000 Can you imagine telling that to Taft? Is he a vegan? So sad.
00:09:54.000 Concerned about meat consumption, he warned that the greenhouse gases produced by the
00:09:58.000 industry are quote, not practical.
00:10:01.000 And unfortunately, this led to the decline in stock prices for Dairy Futures, Tyson Foods, and the swift execution of all participating dancers at New Jersey's Beefcakes.
00:10:07.000 Yeah, so unintended consequences.
00:10:10.000 Yeah, that's the wrong beef, I think.
00:10:11.000 Yeah, I don't think it's the wrong beef.
00:10:13.000 It's just a different flavor of beef.
00:10:15.000 Okay, I'm gonna say no to that one.
00:10:17.000 You had a point here there, Gavin.
00:10:18.000 I believe so.
00:10:19.000 No?
00:10:20.000 What are we talking about?
00:10:20.000 Doing the show pitch, you mentioned New York and abortion, something like that.
00:10:25.000 Oh yeah, another great way to reduce carbon emissions.
00:10:28.000 Smooth.
00:10:29.000 Well sorry, you're calling back to something from like 80 hours ago.
00:10:33.000 Another great thing about New York... You wrote it down.
00:10:35.000 It's in front of you.
00:10:40.000 The show's best meeting was this morning!
00:10:42.000 Don't distract me!
00:10:43.000 I remember now the thing in my face.
00:10:46.000 Yeah, no, New York is working hard on that.
00:10:49.000 You can just abort a baby whenever you want.
00:10:51.000 It could be 35 years old.
00:10:53.000 The Freedom Tower was lit up pink the day we decided you could have an abortion at nine months.
00:10:59.000 Cuomo, the Catholic school educated governor, said, yay!
00:11:04.000 Pink power! 1.00
00:11:05.000 We can kill babies! 1.00
00:11:07.000 Now, they can't do that in Jersey, unfortunately, so they have to go to veganism, but we can just get to kill kids at random. 1.00
00:11:13.000 I know.
00:11:13.000 Look, who was it that died and they didn't have the flag at half-mast, Barack Obama?
00:11:19.000 I don't know.
00:11:19.000 Oh, it was somebody, I remember that.
00:11:20.000 I don't know, but, you know, killing 40 local babies is definitely at full-mast.
00:11:23.000 Look, gas is natural.
00:11:24.000 It's a very natural thing from these animals, so that's fine, right?
00:11:27.000 But vegans, I've never seen healthy vegans.
00:11:30.000 I'm not kidding.
00:11:30.000 I'm not trying to make a joke.
00:11:31.000 Oh, your point there is so pedestrian.
00:11:33.000 It's so true. 0.84
00:11:34.000 I know some healthy vegans.
00:11:35.000 No, you don't.
00:11:36.000 Mike Mahler.
00:11:37.000 He's not healthy.
00:11:38.000 He's only healthy when you see him.
00:11:38.000 He's very healthy.
00:11:40.000 He's sick every other day.
00:11:41.000 I don't know.
00:11:41.000 I follow his Instagram, and I think you're lying.
00:11:43.000 Oh, well, fine.
00:11:44.000 There's a lot of unhealthy non-vegans when you go to Walmart. 1.00
00:11:47.000 Oh, of course.
00:11:47.000 Yes, that's true.
00:11:48.000 The people of Walmart, please don't get me thinking of that song again.
00:11:51.000 Or the studio.
00:11:51.000 You find a lot of unhealthy non-vegans as well.
00:11:53.000 That's true.
00:11:55.000 Here's something that's pretty troubling.
00:11:57.000 A mother in the UK was arrested after deadnaming a tranny on Twitter.
00:12:00.000 Deadnaming, by the way, means misgendering.
00:12:02.000 But that's the term now, deadnaming.
00:12:04.000 So they make it sound more sinister.
00:12:05.000 It's like, what are you talking about? 0.79
00:12:06.000 Are you talking about killing a nine-month-old?
00:12:08.000 No, we're pro-choice! 0.68
00:12:10.000 Oh, you mean that I use the scientifically proper pronoun?
00:12:12.000 Deadnaming! 0.90
00:12:13.000 Isn't that what it's like calling Bruce Jenner?
00:12:15.000 That's deadnaming?
00:12:16.000 You're using their dead name.
00:12:17.000 Well, I think if you said he. 0.97
00:12:19.000 It comes from the Daily Mail anyway, so it's a silly place.
00:12:21.000 Claiming harassment and malicious communications, police arrested her, this mom, in front of her children and they held her for seven hours.
00:12:30.000 To be fair to the police, they did find these friendly refugees to babysit, so it wasn't all bad.
00:12:34.000 Well, those guys look good.
00:12:35.000 It's convenient.
00:12:37.000 This is the country, by the way, that probably sacrificed more than almost anybody during World War II to make sure that we fought the exact forces that are taking them over, and now it's literally 1984 all over again.
00:12:46.000 I mean, the book is becoming true reality, and we can watch it. 0.84
00:12:50.000 This sucks. 0.94
00:12:50.000 They call it deadnaming, and they go, you've killed me by getting my gender wrong, and then you look at the person, you go, you look like my dad with a girl drawn on your face. 0.94
00:13:00.000 Yes, and let's be honest, let's be honest, there was a 42% chance you're gonna do it anyway.
00:13:05.000 Yeah.
00:13:07.000 I'm not happy about it.
00:13:09.000 I'm only happy that I've won this exchange right now.
00:13:13.000 Finally, let's move on because this is definitely demonetized.
00:13:16.000 Kamala Harris.
00:13:17.000 Look at Gavin, he's doing this.
00:13:20.000 I've been de-platformed and now we just did the deadnaming.
00:13:24.000 Kamala Harris, because we love her.
00:13:25.000 We're going to do everything wrong with Kamala Harris next week, by the way. 1.00
00:13:27.000 Every single Democratic candidate, we're going to do a, they call it dive in now, on all of these candidates, every single one.
00:13:33.000 Kamala Harris is up next.
00:13:34.000 She claimed that she used to get high in high school, or sorry, college, college, in college while she was listening to Snoop Dogg and Tupac.
00:13:42.000 Reason pointed this out.
00:13:43.000 Here's the problem.
00:13:44.000 Harris graduated from college and law school in the late 80s.
00:13:48.000 Snoop and Pac didn't actually debut until the early 90s.
00:13:51.000 And you were mentioning this too earlier that Tupac, at this point, was in New Orleans.
00:13:56.000 Tupac was a very effeminate drama club kid in New Orleans, and he was really big into dance.
00:14:02.000 He loved to dance, dance, dance.
00:14:04.000 Really?
00:14:04.000 Okay.
00:14:05.000 Yeah.
00:14:05.000 And then he did the movie.
00:14:06.000 So he was Ethel Merman. 0.85
00:14:07.000 He did the movie.
00:14:08.000 He was!
00:14:09.000 He had more in common with Ethel Merman. 0.95
00:14:11.000 I see no changes.
00:14:11.000 Clang, clang, clang went the trolley!
00:14:14.000 Yes!
00:14:15.000 And then he did Juice, and he played a thug, and people went, you know what?
00:14:18.000 I kind of like the thug guy.
00:14:20.000 And he's like, okay, from now on, I'm a gangster.
00:14:24.000 So he basically just took the role and played it out.
00:14:26.000 Yeah.
00:14:27.000 Lots of guys like it.
00:14:28.000 De Niro was a drama club kid until he was in Mean Streets, and he's like, no, I'm a tough guy.
00:14:32.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm a tough guy.
00:14:35.000 That's all the superheroes as well.
00:14:36.000 People are like, do you think actors take steroids?
00:14:37.000 Well, imagine all of your drama club nerds and make them Superman. 1.00
00:14:41.000 So, um, some people say that she was caught in a lie, by the way, just trying to pan her to the urban audience.
00:14:47.000 Others believe she might have been confused with one of the spec scripts to which she's recently been attached, actually.
00:14:52.000 Specifically regarding time travel, which brings us to this week's 7 Plus 1!
00:14:59.000 You forgot Stefan in the chamber!
00:15:01.000 This week, 7 plus... Always forget the one in the chamber.
00:15:03.000 By the way, look at this wonderful Walther PPK.
00:15:05.000 Doesn't it look awesome?
00:15:05.000 Isn't it beautiful?
00:15:06.000 Yeah.
00:15:07.000 It feels good, too.
00:15:08.000 Well, that was the one yesterday, I think, but this is a beautiful firearm, and it's being made by Walther again.
00:15:13.000 It's not being licensed to those hacks at Smith & Wesson.
00:15:16.000 So, this week, 7 plus 1 is upcoming time-traveling film project starring Kamala Harris.
00:15:21.000 Yeah, so that's apparently... because, you know, Snoop and Peggy. 0.98
00:15:23.000 So, number 7, Back to the Future, F***ing Liar. 0.97
00:15:27.000 Yeah, that's one that seems to be... 0.98
00:15:29.000 Gavin, it's right in front of you in case you forget.
00:15:31.000 You want to take number six?
00:15:32.000 Oh, I like number six.
00:15:33.000 I've actually seen it. 0.73
00:15:34.000 It's Kamala and Ted's bogus pandering bullsh** adventure. 0.99
00:15:39.000 Yeah, there we go. 0.98
00:15:41.000 Were you running out of breath?
00:15:42.000 You sounded like the killer in Mindhunters. 0.85
00:15:44.000 I had a pube in my throat. 0.89
00:15:45.000 Okay, I apologize.
00:15:48.000 It's your beard, don't worry.
00:15:49.000 Number five, totally inaccurate recall.
00:15:51.000 That's, yeah, one that seems to be... That goes right into it.
00:15:54.000 Let's just keep that up there.
00:15:55.000 Number four, Terminator 2, bad judgment day.
00:15:57.000 I wasn't super proud of it.
00:15:58.000 Bad judgment?
00:15:59.000 But it made it in there.
00:16:00.000 Let's go to... You can do number three.
00:16:01.000 Oh, I liked X-Men Future Past.
00:16:04.000 Yes.
00:16:05.000 Check it out.
00:16:05.000 Very good.
00:16:06.000 And then you were a fan of number two as well.
00:16:08.000 Oh, Hot Tub Lie Machine is a zinger.
00:16:10.000 Hot Tub Lie Machine.
00:16:11.000 And by the way, she put on a stellar performance there as the black guy from The Office.
00:16:16.000 And the number one Kamala Harris time traveling project, the Butter Lie Effect.
00:16:21.000 And of course, the plus one is time.
00:16:24.000 This has been this week's 7 Plus 1.
00:16:25.000 7 plus 1!
00:16:27.000 Alright.
00:16:29.000 You forgot to burn in the chamber!
00:16:33.000 One of these days I'll get it.
00:16:34.000 By the way, I have to look down here because we were going to give out an award to a trivia winner.
00:16:39.000 Really?
00:16:39.000 But they actually got the trivia wrong.
00:16:40.000 Did they really?
00:16:42.000 Yeah, so they were wrong.
00:16:43.000 It said it was Crazy Pete's Abortion Emporium.
00:16:46.000 It was abortion... I don't even know what it was.
00:16:48.000 Crazy Pete's Abortion Barn. 0.55
00:16:49.000 That's right.
00:16:49.000 I don't even know.
00:16:50.000 They called it Emporium.
00:16:51.000 It was the Stem Cell Emporium, which was a different, they were mixing different areas of Crazy Pete.
00:16:55.000 Somebody out there, get real close.
00:16:56.000 So the winner though is William J. Boston at WillBoss88, show him you love him, who correctly answered that Clint Howard played YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki.
00:17:05.000 Very nice.
00:17:06.000 He got that right.
00:17:07.000 I just had a hiccup.
00:17:08.000 I just had a really bad hiccup.
00:17:09.000 Oh no, the hat's back.
00:17:10.000 The hat's back.
00:17:12.000 Did he put it back?
00:17:12.000 Oh jeez.
00:17:13.000 That's a good get, Clint Howard.
00:17:14.000 He's awesome.
00:17:15.000 We wanted him to always play Susan Wojcicki just because we know how mad she was when she goes, He doesn't even look like me.
00:17:23.000 I'm way hotter than that.
00:17:24.000 And everyone around her is going, he kind of does.
00:17:26.000 It's not that far off.
00:17:29.000 I will tell you this about Clint Howard.
00:17:30.000 Have you ever had him on your show?
00:17:31.000 No.
00:17:32.000 He's what you would expect Clint Howard to be.
00:17:34.000 He did our show from his hot tub naked one time.
00:17:37.000 And he drops his phone, and we see just a little bit of that kind of fold above the pecker, and it goes right into the water, like it was a sketch.
00:17:45.000 But this actually happened.
00:17:45.000 He calls back, guys, I'm really sorry, I'm using my iPad now, and he's in this cringed terrycloth robe.
00:17:51.000 And did it ruin his iPhone?
00:17:53.000 It did.
00:17:54.000 It did ruin his iPhone.
00:17:55.000 That's so funny.
00:17:56.000 And here's the one thing I will say about Clinton Howard, and it's completely unrelated.
00:18:00.000 I thought, oh my gosh, when he was doing Susan Wojcicki, Maybe we should tell this after the show, because I feel like this is inside baseball, that people should join Mug Club if they want to actually hear all of these stories.
00:18:09.000 But he took so many takes.
00:18:10.000 He'd be like, now am I saying, don't be such a **** Ebeneezer to Ebeneezer YouTube? 0.98
00:18:15.000 Or am I saying like, don't be such a ****? 0.96
00:18:17.000 And he'd do like 50 takes. 0.98
00:18:18.000 And I was going, this is going to be terrible.
00:18:19.000 And then when we watched the rushes, we were going, this guy is unbelievable.
00:18:22.000 He knows exactly how he appears on camera, where his body moves through space.
00:18:26.000 Every single take was gold.
00:18:29.000 That's awesome.
00:18:29.000 Isn't 90% of the joke that he's remarkably unattractive?
00:18:32.000 Some would say.
00:18:33.000 Like Steve Buscemi?
00:18:36.000 He's a good friend of the show there.
00:18:37.000 Way to go.
00:18:39.000 I don't think he thinks he's hot.
00:18:41.000 No, I think you're correct.
00:18:42.000 I don't think I'm hot.
00:18:44.000 He played a monster in a film one time.
00:18:45.000 He played the bad guy.
00:18:46.000 And they tossed on an eyepatch.
00:18:49.000 Are you sure I don't need any prosthetics, or it feels good?
00:18:53.000 No, you're good.
00:18:54.000 He has, like, a catalog of 300 films.
00:18:55.000 All right, OK.
00:18:55.000 Wow.
00:18:56.000 So the dive-in segment here, again, the question of the day, what do you think about social media, if they need to be regulated as public utilities?
00:19:01.000 Nigel Farage said that last time he was on.
00:19:02.000 Jordan Peterson said that.
00:19:03.000 This brings us to the topic right now.
00:19:05.000 Jack Dorsey, of course, has been appearing all across new media.
00:19:08.000 I don't know, I don't think we should call it new media anymore, just media.
00:19:10.000 Media, yeah, good media.
00:19:11.000 But specifically podcasts, Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, to talk about the company's Policies as well as free speech.
00:19:17.000 So the problem here is that Dorsey continually, in my opinion, deceives people about Twitter's real policies while dodging questions and criticism.
00:19:27.000 I think a couple things that are important.
00:19:29.000 Jack Dorsey says that he doesn't want echo, that's what he says, he says he doesn't want echo chambers.
00:19:32.000 But it's important to delineate the difference between, I agree, I think all of us would agree that targeted harassment, targeted libel, something that could result in doxing, physical harm, that has no role on social media because that's a crime in real life, by the way.
00:19:44.000 But that's not the same as an echo chamber.
00:19:47.000 And watch him talk about echo chambers here on, I think this is Joe Rogan.
00:19:50.000 Yeah.
00:19:50.000 We do incentivize a lot of echo chambers because we don't make it easy for people to... Sounds like he's saying he emphasizes... He sounds slightly shamed.
00:20:00.000 He feels shamed.
00:20:01.000 If I follow a bunch of accounts that, like Boris Johnson who was constantly giving me information about reasons to leave, Tell me about Brexit.
00:20:11.000 I would probably only see that perspective.
00:20:14.000 Nigel Farage.
00:20:15.000 If you made a mistake, you would probably only see one perspective.
00:20:17.000 A lot of folks just will not follow accounts that have a completely different perspective or a different influence.
00:20:24.000 But he's turned the whole thing into a bubble.
00:20:26.000 Hopefully journalists do.
00:20:28.000 But most people won't do that work.
00:20:30.000 Yeah, no, I think you're right.
00:20:31.000 And here, you kind of see the solution there where it's about, he was looking at Garrett, like, why is Garrett doing this just so I know how short the clip is?
00:20:36.000 It's because he can't see outside the brim of your hat.
00:20:39.000 Notice the solution here is always to try and engineer people.
00:20:41.000 It's like, well, people don't follow people with opposing viewpoints.
00:20:44.000 By the way, we always encourage you to.
00:20:45.000 We always encourage you to read Huffington Post and Salon and go watch Fox every single day.
00:20:49.000 We tell you to go read the Green New Deal for yourself.
00:20:51.000 So if people make the mistake of not doing that, that's on them.
00:20:54.000 But I find it really interesting that he brings up Brexit.
00:20:57.000 And he mentions that as an echo chamber.
00:20:58.000 Here's what he's missing.
00:21:01.000 All of the mainstream media, BBC, and everyone here in the States,
00:21:04.000 all of the news outlets promoted anti-Brexit propaganda.
00:21:08.000 It's, by the way, they were so surprised when Brexit happened because they believed their own lies.
00:21:12.000 And because Twitter and new media was designed to be an alternative platform,
00:21:15.000 You want people to be able to hear the other side.
00:21:17.000 Basically what he's saying is not that I don't want diversity of ideas.
00:21:19.000 here. Boris Johnson is not more powerful than the BBC, nor is Nigel Farage, but you get him on Twitter
00:21:24.000 and people are actually able to hear his ideas. They say, well, that's a little bit interesting.
00:21:27.000 I didn't know that because I never heard it before.
00:21:28.000 Well, and I want this, we do have diversity of ideas here.
00:21:31.000 You want people to be able to hear the other side. Basically what he's saying is not that I
00:21:35.000 don't want diversity of ideas. He's like, I just don't want the ideas I disagree with. He's the
00:21:39.000 He's not saying that there yet, but we'll get to it.
00:21:39.000 authoritarian.
00:21:41.000 What's with the hypocrisy of that statement, though?
00:21:43.000 He's sitting there saying people get into a bubble and they don't look up to other views.
00:21:48.000 Meanwhile, hey, you want a different view?
00:21:50.000 Why don't you go look up Gavin McInnes on Twitter, or Owen Benjamin on Twitter, or Alex Jones on Twitter.
00:21:54.000 So he's censoring people, creating a bubble, and then saying there's this problem where people just get in a bubble.
00:22:00.000 They're too lazy.
00:22:01.000 That's a really good point.
00:22:02.000 Your whole thing is a bubble now, dude!
00:22:04.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
00:22:06.000 Really quick.
00:22:07.000 Recently recently YouTube tweeted out.
00:22:08.000 you what I mean don't don't not take your breath before I go to you.
00:22:11.000 I want to say something I'm okay Garrett?
00:22:15.000 I'm not tired.
00:22:21.000 Recently YouTube tweeted out oh wouldn't it be horrible imagine if you couldn't
00:22:26.000 watch the videos you love. What?
00:22:29.000 From YouTube?
00:22:31.000 That would be terrible.
00:22:33.000 Yeah, what if they were demonetized, too?
00:22:35.000 What if people who were subscribed to your videos weren't able to find them?
00:22:38.000 I don't know what!
00:22:40.000 And here's what's crazy.
00:22:41.000 You know, leftist echo chambers are fine.
00:22:43.000 Right-wing echo chambers become hate speech.
00:22:45.000 And now, let's just not have right-wing echo chambers at all.
00:22:47.000 Let's just get rid of all of the people.
00:22:48.000 By the way, DefendGavin.com so you can go and help him with his fight with the SPLC.
00:22:52.000 New media!
00:22:53.000 Everyone was so excited about it when it started.
00:22:54.000 I remember talking about this two, three years ago when this was a once-a-week, three-hour show.
00:22:58.000 Everyone was saying, well, there's no barrier to entry now.
00:23:00.000 I said, watch.
00:23:01.000 When you see some conservatives, when you see alternative viewpoints doing well, the sharks are going to come.
00:23:07.000 You're going to see them, particularly from old media, ABC, NBC, CBS, Viacom.
00:23:11.000 CNN, right, Turner, you're going to see them go after YouTube where they cannot win on a level
00:23:16.000 playing field as it relates to viewers, as it relates to content. So how do they win? Money
00:23:20.000 and censoring the opposition. And here we are now. This was the whole purpose to new media.
00:23:25.000 So that someone like a Boris Johnson or a Nigel Farage could have just as loud of a voice as the
00:23:30.000 BBC. Yeah, Gavin. We should make it clear too, there is such a thing as Nazis.
00:23:35.000 There is a tiny group of Pepe Nutbars who photoshop you and I with swastikas and gas chambers, and they talk about the JQ and the 14 words and the 88 and all their little jargon and stuff.
00:23:48.000 And if you allow those guys into your platform, it tends to be pretty bad for your platform.
00:23:53.000 They tend to just make everyone go, I'm getting out of here.
00:23:55.000 Right.
00:23:55.000 They're sort of like the gremlins we were talking about the other day, but on the other side.
00:23:58.000 It's like letting a bunch of guys crap in the parking lot where everyone's tailgating. 0.91
00:24:02.000 Exactly. 0.93
00:24:02.000 No one else wants to be there. 0.93
00:24:03.000 Right.
00:24:04.000 But those tailgate crappers are a very tiny sliver, and they're very easy to identify. 0.97
00:24:10.000 And I think Twitter started out doing a pretty good job of getting rid of that tiny minority of lunatic Nazis. 0.77
00:24:16.000 Maybe like 1% of the population, or much less actually, half a percent.
00:24:20.000 And then, they were normal for a while, and comedians could tell horrible jokes and iron out content, and it's pretty fun.
00:24:27.000 And then, using the justification of the sliver, the tailgate crappers, they started just getting anyone Christian, conservative, remotely controversial, and now it's kind of the opposite.
00:24:38.000 By the way, the only people I know who use the term nutbar are you and Kevin O'Leary.
00:24:41.000 You know, you're sounding like some kind of a left-wing nutbar.
00:24:43.000 I'm out.
00:24:44.000 That's what it sounds like.
00:24:46.000 He's Canadian, too, isn't he?
00:24:47.000 Yes, he is.
00:24:48.000 He's conservative, but he's Canadian conservative.
00:24:52.000 He's like, yes, and I don't think you need a gun clip with more than five bullets.
00:24:56.000 You're like, wow, you know almost nothing.
00:24:59.000 What do you want? 0.99
00:24:59.000 You're a nut bar. 0.99
00:25:00.000 By the way, in his interview with Dorsey, actually, Sam Harris, who I would love to have Sam Harris on the show, but I do find listening to his show sometimes painful. 0.82
00:25:07.000 It can be very dull.
00:25:08.000 But it doesn't mean it's not a good show.
00:25:10.000 I just have to watch it.
00:25:11.000 Sometimes it's out of necessity.
00:25:13.000 Sam Harris pointed out that a liberal feminist, by the way, was banned for saying that men aren't women.
00:25:18.000 Here you go.
00:25:19.000 Megan Murphy, who... She's a feminist, but she's not sufficiently woke, apparently, on the transgender topic, and she wrote a tweet, which I believe read, men are not women, and got suspended over that tweet. 0.91
00:25:35.000 Suspended right away. 0.97
00:25:36.000 And not to tell my own substrate, when there was a clear, concerted campaign led by, as you mentioned, white supremacist websites, and of course they're acquiescent liberals on social media, to defame and paint me as a neo-Nazi with fake tweets like, gas the Jews, hang the n-words.
00:25:47.000 Twitter, by the way, took no action to have those false, libelous tweets removed.
00:25:53.000 That's important.
00:25:54.000 They said that to repeat it.
00:25:55.000 It's like the timeline with the FAQ from Cortez.
00:25:58.000 It's like, what was the wrong one?
00:26:00.000 You answered questions all day!
00:26:02.000 All day long!
00:26:03.000 I made a mistake all day long, okay?
00:26:06.000 What do you want?
00:26:07.000 Googly googly.
00:26:09.000 I feel like she would fit right in Sesame Street in a trash can. 0.89
00:26:12.000 Come out like, I'm trying to sleep in here!
00:26:14.000 Well look, if you're going to talk about echo chambers, the Silicon Valley echo chamber is probably one of the worst.
00:26:18.000 Too Cute Maddie, bring up the overlay here. 1.00
00:26:20.000 The memes.
00:26:20.000 Some of them remain up today, by the way.
00:26:22.000 Repeated, targeted, libelous tweets.
00:26:24.000 Tried to destroy the ability for everyone here to make a living.
00:26:27.000 Didn't violate Twitter's policies.
00:26:29.000 And by the way, they also tried to dox me.
00:26:30.000 It just didn't work.
00:26:31.000 And they're still up today.
00:26:31.000 Go ahead.
00:26:32.000 Yeah, well, no, I was going to kind of mention that, too.
00:26:34.000 Like, I understand if somebody wants to post something like that, like he said, that little sliver that's going to post something, as soon as you bring it up, it should be taken care of.
00:26:41.000 That would be a level playing field, right?
00:26:42.000 Hey, sorry, that's true.
00:26:43.000 You're not that guy.
00:26:44.000 We're going to pull it down.
00:26:45.000 But they live in the Silicon Valley echo chamber.
00:26:48.000 That's their echo chamber.
00:26:49.000 They're like, well, I don't want this point.
00:26:50.000 I don't want a Brexit echo chamber or a conservative.
00:26:54.000 What do you think Mark and Susan would just say?
00:26:55.000 Yeah, echo chambers are bad.
00:26:56.000 They hear themselves from everywhere.
00:26:58.000 There's a consensus. 0.91
00:26:59.000 They don't understand that when they call us white nationalists, white nationalists get pissed and go, hey!
00:27:06.000 We worked hard on this race thing! 1.00
00:27:09.000 They're cucks! 1.00
00:27:10.000 I hate that cuck! 1.00
00:27:11.000 He's always cucking for shekels! 1.00
00:27:13.000 He's a race-mixing Jew-lover who hangs out with gays. 1.00
00:27:16.000 I don't like that guy! 0.99
00:27:17.000 And it's sort of like 9-11, too, where they go, 9-11 was an inside job, and the terrorists go, hey!
00:27:21.000 Hey! 0.99
00:27:22.000 We busted our ass on that attack! 0.99
00:27:24.000 Right! 0.99
00:27:25.000 Taking down the Twin Towers.
00:27:26.000 Martin Sheen is sitting there like, I'm pretty sure it was Dick Cheney.
00:27:30.000 Dick Cheney with some bird shots.
00:27:31.000 By the way, it's especially funny that Jack in that interview, Jack Dorsey, he mentions journalists.
00:27:35.000 He specifies the importance of journalists since Twitter goes out of its way to ensure that the hypersensitive leftist journalists don't receive any criticism at all.
00:27:43.000 Remember, people who jokingly tweeted, learn to code at the journalists were suspended Immediately!
00:27:48.000 Record time!
00:27:49.000 They were gone.
00:27:50.000 Learn to code!
00:27:51.000 That was the funniest thing that I had seen.
00:27:53.000 I was just like, this is perfect.
00:27:55.000 They're banning people for saying this, and that's what they said when it was, what, the Virginia Cole guys or something like that?
00:28:00.000 They're banning people for acerbic wit now.
00:28:02.000 There's no swear words in that.
00:28:04.000 It's just a very succinct and mean thing to say.
00:28:07.000 It's like if computers existed back in the time of Jack Benny.
00:28:10.000 He'd be like, learn to code!
00:28:14.000 It's also good advice.
00:28:15.000 You know, they'd have better job security if they knew how to code.
00:28:19.000 Jack, please, we would love to have you on this program.
00:28:20.000 Of course we would be fair.
00:28:21.000 Is it about preventing right-wing ideas and or science from spreading or is it about echo chambers?
00:28:25.000 Let us know.
00:28:26.000 I think another point that people really need to at least it needs to be illuminated is the reasons for the bans.
00:28:32.000 Because Dorsey's been going around and And I want to know also, by the way, another question, how do you think the interviewers have treated him?
00:28:38.000 I've heard a lot of people complain, saying that they thought he wasn't pressed enough by some of these podcasts, and then some people say that they think it's productive that he's on any podcast at all.
00:28:46.000 I fall somewhere in the middle.
00:28:47.000 I think it's productive if he's on a podcast, but not if he repeatedly lies and then switches.
00:28:51.000 Those lies that, just kidding, I had my fingers crossed, which we'll get to in a little bit.
00:28:54.000 Apparently we went back to Jack Benny here.
00:28:57.000 I have my fingers crossed!
00:28:59.000 And nobody's calling him on it.
00:28:59.000 I don't know what's happening.
00:29:00.000 I mean, it's kind of hard to call out the guy who is the gatekeeper, essentially, right?
00:29:04.000 That's tough.
00:29:05.000 But it's hard to call out people.
00:29:07.000 Unless you're 60 Minutes, you're so happy to get a huge guest like that. 1.00
00:29:10.000 I've got to be honest, if I had Jack Dorsey, I would spend the interview kissing his ass. 1.00
00:29:14.000 Really? 1.00
00:29:14.000 Yes. 1.00
00:29:15.000 Probably physically, and then you would get fired.
00:29:18.000 And then I might talk. 1.00
00:29:19.000 Have you seen this video of Gavin kissing someone's ass? 1.00
00:29:21.000 Like, oh yeah, it's Jack Dorsey! 1.00
00:29:23.000 It's Jack.
00:29:23.000 Let's draw the cheeks.
00:29:24.000 It has like a million plays.
00:29:27.000 Somebody photoshop that please.
00:29:29.000 We're so mentally obese these days, and we're so bad at conflict, that when you get a good guest, and you hammer them, and you have a back and forth, you'll never get a liberal again, you'll never get a famous person again.
00:29:38.000 So you have to sort of, it's like feeding a squirrel.
00:29:40.000 You have to be like, thanks for coming on the show, Jack.
00:29:42.000 Okay, you do your propaganda, and then I'll maybe cast aspersions after you leave.
00:29:49.000 I think this is an important point that kind of segues into the fact that Dorsey repeatedly said that Twitter should have been more clear about why people were banned, what the terms of service specified.
00:29:49.000 Right.
00:29:58.000 Here he is explaining it.
00:29:59.000 To realize that we're probably going to make some mistakes along the way and all we can do to
00:30:04.000 correct some of that is just be open about where we are and that's probably where we've
00:30:08.000 failed the most in the past is we just haven't been open about our thinking process, what led
00:30:15.000 to particular decisions, how our terms of service evolved.
00:30:20.000 This is the go-to. Whenever someone gets banned it's well if you read the terms of service you'd
00:30:23.000 know why you were banned.
00:30:25.000 But then if you ask them how a specific person violated the Terms of Service, they refuse to give an answer.
00:30:29.000 Watch Dorsey do it right here! 1.00
00:30:31.000 I'm not sure what the actual violations were, but we have a set number of actions.
00:30:40.000 Megan Murphy wrote a tweet which I believe read, men are not women.
00:30:45.000 The case that you brought up.
00:30:46.000 I'm not sure what's behind it.
00:30:47.000 I certainly don't believe it.
00:30:51.000 How do you not know?
00:30:52.000 You're talking about the Megan Murphy men are not women tweet?
00:30:56.000 Is there a CEO I could talk to or something somewhere?
00:30:59.000 How do you have no idea?
00:31:01.000 What were you going to say, Kevin?
00:31:02.000 You know, when I was banned, it said, you've been permanently suspended for semicolon space.
00:31:09.000 And I'm like, what do you mean?
00:31:10.000 The Abyss?
00:31:11.000 What does that giant hole mean?
00:31:12.000 They're going to find a reason to boot you. 1.00
00:31:14.000 It doesn't matter what the terms are.
00:31:15.000 By the way, him and Sam are like the two most monotone, low-key guys.
00:31:20.000 It's like the Sweaty Balls sketch, only with men and there's no punchline. 0.76
00:31:23.000 Yeah, they speak like cat burglars.
00:31:25.000 You know what?
00:31:26.000 I think it's upstairs.
00:31:28.000 The jewelry's probably in the master bedroom.
00:31:32.000 Like Cath Berkowitz.
00:31:33.000 Ben Carson wouldn't get talked over on that show.
00:31:35.000 You guys are gonna have to speak up because I can't understand everything you're saying.
00:31:41.000 Really freaking boring.
00:31:44.000 By the way, hit the notification bell if you're subscribed on YouTube, because apparently subscriptions don't mean anything.
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00:31:52.000 Of course, rate it.
00:31:53.000 And by the way, big four-hour Oscars livestream February 24th at 8 p.m.
00:31:58.000 Eastern.
00:31:59.000 Drinking game rules to be posted.
00:32:00.000 I have to watch it?
00:32:01.000 No, the whole point is we watch it so you guys don't have to.
00:32:03.000 And I think Gavin might be at least making an appearance there.
00:32:04.000 Oh, hell yeah! 0.83
00:32:06.000 Oh, jeez, I didn't think you'd be that excited.
00:32:08.000 I'm going to be at the Oscars.
00:32:09.000 I was invited.
00:32:10.000 I'm going to be in the front row sitting with a woman named Penelope Millions. 0.98
00:32:13.000 Really?
00:32:14.000 Yeah.
00:32:14.000 This is an actual thing?
00:32:15.000 Yeah, she rescued Harvey Weinstein's daughter from a fire.
00:32:18.000 That's what she rescued her from?
00:32:21.000 I'm going to be there for the Oscar for Worst Liar.
00:32:27.000 I don't know what he's telling the truth!
00:32:28.000 He's telling you that it's a joke.
00:32:29.000 No, I knew that part.
00:32:30.000 Yeah.
00:32:31.000 I figured it out at the end. 0.99
00:32:32.000 There was no fire, it was just Weinstein trying to rape. 0.96
00:32:35.000 I was just hearing those words come out of my mouth going, well, that's what's going on. 0.96
00:32:40.000 Lying is incredibly easy, as seen by Jack Dorsey.
00:32:42.000 Here's the thing, the only thing that Jack has been consistent about is stressing that harassment campaigns are the most bannable offense, and I think, again, we all agree with that here.
00:32:50.000 Yeah.
00:32:50.000 But we've already seen that those campaigns don't apply to targeted, repeated libel of someone like myself, or Gavin, by the way, or a more recent example, the Covington School Kids.
00:32:59.000 Celebrities were calling for the kids' addresses, wanting them to be harmed, because a kid smiled at a toothless meth head who was twice deferred, sorry, twice went AWOL as a veteran, was a refrigerator repairman, and was wearing a MAGA hat.
00:33:14.000 They called for school shootings. 0.84
00:33:16.000 They said it would be a great school to shoot up.
00:33:18.000 And you know what?
00:33:19.000 The Right doesn't do that.
00:33:20.000 How many times has Dana Lash had to move? 1.00
00:33:24.000 We can't show pictures of our kids.
00:33:25.000 You look at Chris Hayes and Mark Ruffalo.
00:33:27.000 They're all like, here's our kids.
00:33:29.000 And I don't even say my kids' names. 0.99
00:33:32.000 Plus all their kids look retarded. 0.99
00:33:34.000 Let's be honest. 1.00
00:33:34.000 They all look retarded. 1.00
00:33:37.000 So Jack Dorsey, he also says, by the way, that he hasn't focused. 0.97
00:33:42.000 Mark Ruffalo seems like the kind of guy who would call you up for that.
00:33:45.000 What's happening?
00:33:45.000 He will, yeah.
00:33:46.000 I don't even know what your kids look like, but if they look like you, they haven't focused enough.
00:33:50.000 From what he said, Dorsey, on the off-site ramifications of Twitter.
00:33:53.000 Here's a clip.
00:33:54.000 We haven't focused on enough.
00:33:55.000 We haven't focused on the off-platform ramifications of what happens online.
00:33:59.000 So basically, I didn't even need that clip because I told you.
00:34:04.000 You're right, Jack Dorsey, you haven't.
00:34:06.000 Because you've been more worried about journalists receiving slightly mean tweets or people making scientifically accurate claims that might offend, I don't know, 0.5% of the population. 0.75
00:34:13.000 By the way, you miss ISIS recruiting, bomb threats, Antifa staging violent assaults on people because you were more worried about a Buzzfeed boldly bitch getting her feelings heard over a doctor pointing out her BMI of 76. 1.00
00:34:25.000 This is what's been happening. 0.89
00:34:27.000 We haven't really focused on the offset ramifications.
00:34:29.000 Do you mean like doxxing kids from a school with a MAGA hat?
00:34:33.000 That's in murky territory.
00:34:37.000 I don't know the details of that particular case.
00:34:39.000 I don't know.
00:34:39.000 I'm going to seek my wise counsel.
00:34:40.000 Zuckerberg!
00:34:41.000 Wojcicki! 0.86
00:34:43.000 Somebody! 0.90
00:34:44.000 Cortez probably has private meetings.
00:34:46.000 I think another point, obviously, is that people need to see here.
00:34:50.000 In certain segments of these interviews, Jack actually kind of lets the mask slip.
00:34:53.000 And the good thing is, we get to see, kind of like with the abortion laws, we now get to see the true agenda of Twitter.
00:34:58.000 Where I want Twitter specifically to go is, you know, I think it's existential right now that we have global conversations about some things that will become crisis.
00:35:13.000 Climate change being one of them.
00:35:14.000 There's no one nation-state that's going to solve that problem alone.
00:35:18.000 Economic disparity being another.
00:35:20.000 The rise of AI and job displacement and just like us offloading decisions to these algorithms really puts the world at a disadvantage because it incentivizes more of the echo chambers which lead to things like nationalism instead of taking the broader picture.
00:35:41.000 To put it simply, you could write a clickbait headline that reads, RADICAL GLOBALIST JACK DORSEY NOW PUSHING ANTI-HUMAN GREEN NEW DEAL AGENDA, and it would be accurate! 1.00
00:35:51.000 It wouldn't actually be clickbait!
00:35:52.000 That's what he's saying!
00:35:54.000 And it's basically just propaganda that he's quoting.
00:35:56.000 It's like, guys, there is a big debate on climate science right now, if it's changing as much as you say, and if we are the people that are actually causing it, or if it's the cows farting, according to AOC.
00:36:05.000 It's not science!
00:36:09.000 All right, we have to get moving on.
00:36:10.000 But actually, I think what's important is in this final clip, Sam Harris got Jack Dorsey to admit that they're no longer trying to be neutral.
00:36:18.000 Here he is saying it.
00:36:20.000 I don't believe that we can afford to take a neutral stance.
00:36:26.000 I don't believe that we should optimize for neutrality.
00:36:30.000 I do believe that we should optimize for impartiality.
00:36:33.000 What does that mean?
00:36:35.000 I don't know what that means.
00:36:37.000 To me, neutrality is a lot more passive, a lot more hands-off.
00:36:42.000 I don't think we can just be, um, be this neutral passive platform anymore.
00:36:47.000 Uh, he's just repeating himself.
00:36:48.000 How long does this clip go?
00:36:49.000 Yeah, let's just cancel it.
00:36:51.000 He's contradicting himself.
00:36:52.000 He is.
00:36:52.000 We don't want to be neutral, uh, but we want to be Unfair.
00:36:58.000 He's hoping everybody will be asleep.
00:36:59.000 We want to ensure that fairness plays no role on our platform at all.
00:37:02.000 I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
00:37:04.000 Well, how did you do an interview with Joe Rogan for four hours?
00:37:07.000 And so I don't know what that violation was.
00:37:08.000 And it's really important that we have freedom of speech.
00:37:10.000 And then you go out here and you say, uh, I don't remember the, I don't remember the timeline, which shows he did, but he would go on shows for hours and say, yeah, yeah, we want it to be an open platform for all.
00:37:18.000 And then he was like, no, we don't.
00:37:20.000 We lied.
00:37:22.000 Remember Sonia Sotomayor, a Supreme Court judge?
00:37:24.000 She goes, I should be a Supreme Court judge.
00:37:26.000 I'm totally impartial.
00:37:27.000 I'm going to be a great judge.
00:37:28.000 Then she gets there and she goes, we would be lying if we didn't say that our background and our Hispanic heritage didn't affect our decisions.
00:37:37.000 You're like, wait a minute.
00:37:38.000 Your job as a judge is to not be a Hispanic woman. 1.00
00:37:40.000 Right.
00:37:41.000 To be just an impartial, you know, judge.
00:37:44.000 Justice is blind.
00:37:46.000 And then you have Jack Dorsey going, we are totally neutral here.
00:37:49.000 We're just going to be impartial.
00:37:50.000 Let everyone make their own decisions.
00:37:52.000 And we obviously can't be neutral about that.
00:37:55.000 When we do that, it'll be with a left-wing bend.
00:37:57.000 I don't know.
00:37:57.000 What do you think, Zuckerberg, Wojcicki, Helen Thomas?
00:38:00.000 Send the Jews to Poland! 1.00
00:38:02.000 What are you talking about? 0.93
00:38:03.000 Why are you here?
00:38:04.000 Go ahead.
00:38:05.000 Basically, I think they just got scared.
00:38:07.000 Trump won and Brexit happened.
00:38:08.000 They're like, what the hell's going on?
00:38:10.000 We can't be neutral anymore.
00:38:11.000 It can't happen.
00:38:12.000 No.
00:38:13.000 And they won, by the way, just because people are getting a message out there of truth.
00:38:15.000 That's what happened with Brexit.
00:38:16.000 This idea that it was a lie, a good example.
00:38:17.000 No!
00:38:17.000 You know what a lie is?
00:38:19.000 That some kid harassed a Native American toothless meth head who was twice deferred. 0.85
00:38:22.000 Sorry, I went AWOL, refrigerator pair, man, from Vietnam because he had a MAGA hat.
00:38:26.000 That is a lie!
00:38:27.000 Not that there are benefits.
00:38:28.000 To being an autonomous nation.
00:38:30.000 This is a great example of what we've been talking about all week.
00:38:33.000 The left fears transparency.
00:38:34.000 They run from it.
00:38:35.000 They check under their bed for it.
00:38:36.000 So it's a good indicator, if someone tries to shut down transparency, that they're a leftist. 0.83
00:38:41.000 Or a liar.
00:38:42.000 But I repeat myself. 0.85
00:38:43.000 And that's what we're seeing with Jack.
00:38:45.000 It's not just Ocasio-Cortez.
00:38:46.000 We were just talking about that yesterday.
00:38:48.000 But this is in your deal.
00:38:50.000 No, it's not.
00:38:51.000 But you wrote it.
00:38:52.000 I updated the wrong copy!
00:38:56.000 Don't ask questions.
00:38:58.000 I know nothing.
00:38:59.000 This is Jack.
00:39:00.000 This is what Jack is doing.
00:39:01.000 Well, hold on a second.
00:39:01.000 What's going on?
00:39:03.000 Well, really, we should be more clear about our policies.
00:39:05.000 Well, what are your policies?
00:39:06.000 I don't really want to talk about that right now.
00:39:08.000 Well, what do you think the policy should center on?
00:39:10.000 Well, it should center on being neutral.
00:39:11.000 Okay, so how are you going to be neutral?
00:39:12.000 We don't want to be neutral.
00:39:13.000 Do I need to shoot myself in the head with this, Walter?
00:39:15.000 Because I don't want to get my sponsor into trouble.
00:39:18.000 If you want to know what Silicon Valley is, just picture Bernie, Cory Booker, Ocasio-Cortez sitting in a boardroom deciding what can and cannot be said on the internet.
00:39:26.000 That's what Silicon Valley is.
00:39:27.000 The politicians, the far left politicians I should say, are just like the Silicon Valley tech executives.
00:39:32.000 They use nice words like transparency, truth, safety, but whenever you ask them questions, they run for cover.
00:39:36.000 You saw the same thing with Zuckerberg when he had to testify.
00:39:40.000 You saw the same thing with Wojcicki.
00:39:42.000 Remember back then?
00:39:42.000 She's like, well, I think it's important that we have a neutral.
00:39:44.000 Well, how are you gonna do that?
00:39:44.000 Well, but we don't want hate speech.
00:39:46.000 What's hate speech?
00:39:47.000 I haven't had another meeting!
00:39:48.000 I gotta get to go!
00:39:49.000 Bye!
00:39:51.000 When you start shining a light on these guys, they scurry back into the darkness.
00:39:55.000 That's why there's no accountability.
00:39:57.000 When we explain where we line up here, on every issue, and we're really clear.
00:40:01.000 OK, Jack, we're not trying to attack you.
00:40:03.000 We just want to put all the cards on the table.
00:40:05.000 That's all we're asking for you.
00:40:06.000 Let's not even go to the public utilities debate.
00:40:09.000 But we've all agreed.
00:40:10.000 We all agreed.
00:40:10.000 We talked about this yesterday.
00:40:11.000 You have to be honest about your business practices.
00:40:13.000 You can't say we weren't clear about the terms of service, and then we say, well, what are the terms of service?
00:40:17.000 I don't know.
00:40:18.000 I don't even know.
00:40:20.000 That's not what it can be.
00:40:21.000 We just want to know where everyone stands on these platforms.
00:40:23.000 But instead, they flip over the table and they throw the cards away.
00:40:27.000 That's what Silicon Valley is.
00:40:28.000 Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala... Now I'm doing it affected!
00:40:32.000 Ocasio-Cortez, no.
00:40:33.000 Ocasio-Cortez-y.
00:40:35.000 I just want to say it in American.
00:40:37.000 Camila Harris, Cory Booker in a boardroom.
00:40:40.000 That's what it is.
00:40:40.000 And now that you know, you just have to play by their rules or get kicked off the platform.
00:40:44.000 Hey, social media, let freedom ring.
00:40:46.000 DefendGavin.com, by the way.
00:40:48.000 DefendGavin.com.
00:40:48.000 We'll be back with Lauren Southern after this.
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00:41:32.000 Croyer are those with Aztec, Mayan, and or Incan heritage.
00:41:35.000 Whoa, this has been a really one-sided, if you'll excuse the pun, mugging, since the opening bell when the tumbler infected the entire first row with AIDS.
00:41:56.000 The referee really needs to put a stop to this.
00:41:58.000 What is the mug looking for now?
00:42:00.000 Is that a flaming chair?
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00:42:51.000 I understand wondering what's in your pockets.
00:42:54.000 Yeah.
00:42:54.000 Not where your pockets are.
00:42:56.000 I mean, if you're an Eminem.
00:42:57.000 Seems to me you're high.
00:42:58.000 If you're an Eminem.
00:42:58.000 Maybe if you were Eminem, circa the, was it cocaine?
00:43:01.000 Was it heroin?
00:43:02.000 I don't know.
00:43:02.000 He did something.
00:43:02.000 I just want an excuse to show off.
00:43:03.000 Actually, Barbell sent me these new, uh, these new chinos, which I don't usually wear.
00:43:07.000 I always wear jeans.
00:43:07.000 They're not a sponsor of the show, but man, they are...
00:43:08.000 comfortable for a guy like me with a giant fat ass. Our next guest does not have a giant fat ass. 1.00
00:43:13.000 She's very svelte. People like her. You can follow her on the Twitter at Lauren underscore 1.00
00:43:18.000 Southern. Her website is Lauren Southern dot net. Just search her on YouTube and you will find her.
00:43:22.000 She hasn't been banned yet. Her documentary Borderless actually has a new trailer out
00:43:26.000 this week, I believe. Now you know who it is. Lauren Southern, thank you for being here.
00:43:30.000 Thank you for having me. So there's so much that we were just talking during the break and you said
00:43:35.000 so much has happened. It's kind of tough to pick a moment.
00:43:38.000 But I know you've been making the rounds for your speech that you gave at the EU recently. Check it
00:43:44.000 out.
00:43:44.000 Changing My Mind on Immigration is what it was called.
00:43:46.000 First off, how much of this was actually given as a speech in front of people versus, you know, like the green screen portion?
00:43:52.000 Right, so I did the speech in front of about 50 MEPs.
00:43:57.000 Of course, when you're at the EU, it's not necessarily about having a full room as much as it is about who is in the room and who is affecting governments and policies.
00:44:05.000 But we did actually refilm the speech because the technology that they use for recording EU events is subpar, like anything that government does.
00:44:15.000 Can we get her on the Logitech?
00:44:18.000 That's usually how it works.
00:44:20.000 Yeah, so the audio is a bit bad, but we redid it.
00:44:22.000 Everything that I said in the speech in my YouTube video was exactly what I said to these politicians, and I think it came across quite well, because a lot of these politicians, I think, throw away right-wing arguments as just, oh, they're hateful, they're racist.
00:44:35.000 But the speech I gave, if people have watched it, was actually on Completely from the immigrant's perspective. 0.87
00:44:42.000 And that's what a lot of Borderless is.
00:44:44.000 I'd say about 70% of the documentary is us just with the migrants on the ground, talking to them, asking them about their experiences, what it's been like.
00:44:53.000 And something that I was so shocked to find on this trip was once we got to the European part of the documentary, actually with these migrants, once they've made it, we had A large amount of them telling us they wish they had never left home and they wish they could go back.
00:45:12.000 That's something that I'd never seen on the news before.
00:45:15.000 Well, how much of that is like they'd really rather go back to, you know, Syria where they're being burned alive in cages versus maybe a little lack of gratitude.
00:45:21.000 I mean, I'm not saying the UK is that great, but it still seems better than Syria at this point. 1.00
00:45:28.000 Well, this is the issue is I probably only met about 10 Syrians, if that, during the entire trip.
00:45:35.000 I thought they were all Syrian Christians.
00:45:37.000 My world is Topsy-Turvy now, Lauren.
00:45:38.000 Educate me, please.
00:45:40.000 It was very confusing, yes.
00:45:41.000 The majority of people coming right now.
00:45:43.000 So we actually Spent time on the Turkish side of the border waiting along the coast where it's just covered in just mess, clothing everywhere, dinghies, vests, like the evidence of the migration is insane.
00:45:57.000 And we spent time like hiding from gendarme helicopters above us, so the Turkish police under Trees, with all these migrants, and every single one of them with us there, waiting for the boats to come to take them to Greece, was from Afghanistan.
00:46:11.000 Once we got to the Greek side, most of the people in the camps were from... I mean, like I said, I met about 10 people from Syria.
00:46:19.000 Right.
00:46:19.000 The majority of them were from other places in the Middle East.
00:46:22.000 Certainly Morocco would be on the Royal Subs here in Africa. 0.98
00:46:24.000 The point remains, though, I would think that still London would be nicer than most of Afghanistan, but I don't know. 1.00
00:46:30.000 Well, here's the issue, is because they don't want to be deported, human traffickers will tell them, throw your passport out, burn your passport.
00:46:38.000 So they get to Europe, they have no ID, they don't really want to be identified because they're not actually refugees, a lot of them, or maybe they have criminal backgrounds, so they can't really apply for asylum.
00:46:50.000 They can't really get jobs or work.
00:46:52.000 Think about how long it takes to get an actual Immigrant visa can take like five six years
00:46:58.000 So imagine how much longer it takes for people who have burnt their passports
00:47:02.000 Have no ID and have no I way of proving who they are where they've come from
00:47:07.000 So they just end up living under bridges. They effectively can't do anything. They can't live anywhere. They can't buy
00:47:12.000 a house They can't work and they're sitting there thinking
00:47:15.000 Why did Angela Merkel tell us refugees welcome?
00:47:19.000 Why did the media tell us we should all come here?
00:47:21.000 Why are these traffickers promising us paradise?
00:47:23.000 Why am I living under a bridge?
00:47:25.000 So they're blaming this on the right-wing trolls on Twitter, but their policies are creating actual bridge trolls.
00:47:32.000 Yes, effectively.
00:47:33.000 And that's the thing.
00:47:34.000 A lot of these liberals think that compassion is just a one-time thing.
00:47:38.000 They show up with these crocheted blankets, these refugees welcome signs.
00:47:42.000 They change their profile picture to say hashtag refugees welcome.
00:47:46.000 But where are they when these people are starving under bridges?
00:47:49.000 Where are they when these people are completely packed in camps and can't be processed?
00:47:54.000 It would have been so much better to just be honest with them and tell them, you know what?
00:47:58.000 The European dream is a dream still for the European people. 0.94
00:48:01.000 We've got lots of problems.
00:48:03.000 You're probably not going to be processed for a while.
00:48:05.000 If you're not a refugee, there's a good chance you're never going to be able to live anywhere or get a job or be processed.
00:48:11.000 If we were just honest with these people, A lot of these issues, a lot of this issue with migration and human trafficking could be solved.
00:48:19.000 And, even better, we would have more money and resources to help legitimate refugees, if we weren't inviting the world. 1.00
00:48:27.000 Right.
00:48:27.000 And I think it's a very important point that you make.
00:48:29.000 And I do want to say, I know there was a man named, I think, Mohammed, who asked you a question, who talked about how he was concerned that this would be another right-wing hit piece.
00:48:36.000 And how, I wouldn't, here's the thing, I wouldn't say even-handed, I know that you're more conservative.
00:48:40.000 I think people watching know that you're more conservative.
00:48:42.000 But you can have a personal bias and also try to look at an issue through a point of view accurately.
00:48:48.000 And for people who don't know, it does seem that you've made an earnest effort to look at this from the immigrants, from the migrants, from the refugee, from the asylum seekers, whatever term you want to use that day, okay?
00:48:56.000 I don't want to be hooked on this with this project.
00:49:00.000 And I did want to ask you, because you said to this person, you said, well, thank you for noticing.
00:49:03.000 I have kind of transitioned from the kind of shocking-in-your-face trolling journalism to what I'm doing now.
00:49:09.000 I will say this.
00:49:11.000 I've noticed that.
00:49:12.000 And I'm impressed by it.
00:49:14.000 Why?
00:49:15.000 What was the catalyst for that?
00:49:17.000 Well, I think that there was a place for the shocking conversations just saying like, feminism 0.97
00:49:25.000 is cancer, just to get yourselves out there, because there was no real right wing conversation
00:49:31.000 going on before the Trump era for the anti-feminist stuff, for the anti-socialism stuff.
00:49:38.000 And we kind of needed to just bring ourselves into the conversation at all, because we had
00:49:42.000 been completely excommunicated from the media, excommunicated from classroom discussions.
00:49:46.000 And we just said, well, Let's shock them.
00:49:48.000 Let's shock them to get ourselves into the conversation.
00:49:50.000 Now we've kind of got a foot in the door in popular culture.
00:49:53.000 Young people are watching conservative media more and more.
00:49:55.000 You've got PewDiePie, H3H3, all these big names finally talking about how insane the left has become.
00:50:02.000 So there was a place for it then, but I think that the shock stuff has had the effect that it is going to have and convinced as many people as it's going to convince.
00:50:12.000 And now we need to get back to some serious Hard evidence, statistics, long-form stuff.
00:50:20.000 I do think everyone has a different place.
00:50:21.000 There's always going to be a place for that shock stuff.
00:50:24.000 I still enjoy it.
00:50:24.000 I still enjoy watching when people do it.
00:50:26.000 But there's definitely an opening or vacuum for people to make documentaries and longer-form conservative discussion.
00:50:35.000 Because if we just get into the troll-style stuff, then conservatism and right-wing ideology for young people isn't going to be taken too seriously.
00:50:43.000 And there are people yearning for more than that.
00:50:45.000 Right, I think that's a good point.
00:50:46.000 Now, I guess my question is, why did you, since you say there's a place for both, and I agree with you, why did you feel personally led to moving on to kind of this chapter?
00:50:55.000 Because it is different, and it's obviously, I do think it's productive, and I agree with you, there's a place for both, but you've decided for yourself, this is what you want to do.
00:51:01.000 Is there a specific reason that you said, for me, this is my priority now?
00:51:05.000 Honestly, I have never been a Professor of anything.
00:51:10.000 I'm not an expert.
00:51:11.000 I'm 23 years old.
00:51:12.000 I'm not gonna pretend I know everything.
00:51:14.000 So, for the things that I do know, and the things that I could speak on, I have given my opinion.
00:51:21.000 I've said my thoughts on feminism, I've said my thoughts on immigration, socialism, whatever it may be, I've given my opinion.
00:51:28.000 And I realized that the only way I could continue Doing YouTube is if I were just repeating myself for the sake of having a YouTube career, and I didn't want to do that.
00:51:38.000 Like talking into a camera in a car, owning libs.
00:51:41.000 Isn't it funny that people who claim they're intolerant are actually, they claim they're intolerant, they're intolerant.
00:51:47.000 Did you know free speech is good, right?
00:51:49.000 I've said it.
00:51:50.000 I've made my point.
00:51:51.000 And if I want to actually do something that I feel is contributing and I don't feel like I'm just doing for the sake of having a career, because this was never, when I started, this was never about making a career out of this.
00:52:00.000 I wasn't getting paid to make videos initially.
00:52:02.000 It wasn't a job for me.
00:52:04.000 I just actually believed in it.
00:52:06.000 So if I wanted to still do something that I believed in, well, I was going to have to dive a little deeper and go on the ground.
00:52:10.000 And because I'm not an expert, the thing that I can offer is I can go on the ground, and I'm crazy enough to go and actually see these things for myself and bring back some of the footage for everyone else to analyze.
00:52:20.000 Right.
00:52:20.000 But you're a little more mature now in that you bring security with you.
00:52:23.000 Remember last time I spoke with you, you said, Lauren, don't do this without serious security.
00:52:26.000 Because at one point, we had some conversations.
00:52:28.000 You're like, no, I'll be fine.
00:52:29.000 I'm like, no, no, listen.
00:52:30.000 It's cute when you're young.
00:52:32.000 Once I became a husband, I realized, like, no, no, I'm not going to do this and just run the risk, and we don't want to see you get hurt.
00:52:38.000 But, you know, I really appreciate you saying that, because what you're basically talking about doing here, correct me if I'm wrong, is learning with the audience, and learning, hopefully, accurately and earnestly.
00:52:48.000 Now, picture this.
00:52:49.000 You've never done any of this, never done any of the fundraising, never worked for any other company, never worked a real job in your life.
00:52:54.000 Obviously, you've done all those things, but picture if you hadn't, And you're a congresswoman.
00:52:58.000 That's Cortez.
00:52:59.000 Cortez was in that phase where she thought she knew everything, and she now runs a portion of our government. 0.98
00:53:05.000 That's what's scary.
00:53:06.000 So I hope people tear a page from your book.
00:53:09.000 And you know what?
00:53:09.000 That's a stressful thing personally as well.
00:53:11.000 Like, I guarantee Cortez wakes up and is aware of that at times.
00:53:15.000 Because if you keep up a facade of knowing everything and pretending you know everything, and you don't, that is personally And mentally, just really, really difficult, because you know you'll never actually live up to that standard.
00:53:27.000 So I wonder if Cortez wakes up in the morning thinking, damn, I have to put on this mask and keep this act up. 0.93
00:53:33.000 Right. 0.99
00:53:34.000 He's like, I can't make enough sex on the beaches.
00:53:36.000 My bartending school didn't help me at all. 0.98
00:53:39.000 I don't know how to balance a budget unless it's a lime wedge in someone's navel cavity. 0.99
00:53:44.000 Let me ask you this.
00:53:45.000 You say we have more resources.
00:53:46.000 Going back to borderless, there's a transition.
00:53:49.000 You say we have more resources to fix this problem.
00:53:52.000 Do you offer a solution, or do you have some ideas as to how we could solve the problem?
00:53:56.000 Because I know everyone thinks they're compassionate, but like you said, once the dust settles, those compassionate people, and we're all compassionate, but I mean the compassionate leftists, disappear.
00:54:04.000 How do you think we could handle this in a way that would be even-handed, or effective, or best use of funds?
00:54:11.000 The thing I'm becoming increasingly more aware of is that there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs.
00:54:17.000 There are better options than others, but in this case, I would say it is the most compassionate thing to everyone involved to be honest about what is going on.
00:54:29.000 Because right now, the only people that are benefiting from us telling migrants, come to Europe, you've got a place here, open borders, look at all these migrants, they're playing on the Olympic teams, they're going to the Vatican with the Pope, they're shaking Merkel's hand, they're shaking Trudeau's hand, look at the life they get to live. 0.99
00:54:50.000 And then that's not reality.
00:54:51.000 The only people who benefit from that are human traffickers.
00:54:54.000 How big of an industry is that, by the way?
00:54:57.000 I know you've talked about this.
00:54:59.000 Yeah, so when we were in Morocco, we spoke to people about how much it costs.
00:55:03.000 It costs about 2,000 euros, 1,000 to 2,000 euros to cross the small areas to the Greek islands.
00:55:08.000 And then from Morocco, it's 2,000 to 5,000 euros.
00:55:12.000 And they're shoving like 50 people on one of these boats.
00:55:15.000 And they're sending out tons of boats every single day.
00:55:18.000 So think about how much money these people are making per month.
00:55:20.000 They're making millions, millions and millions and millions of dollars through this.
00:55:25.000 So of course they love the media.
00:55:27.000 They love when they say refugees welcome.
00:55:29.000 They love when they say come here and as soon as you touch European land in the Schengen zone, you can shop around for your welfare country of your choice.
00:55:38.000 And when you talk to these people in the mountains of Morocco, they genuinely believe.
00:55:43.000 They're like, when I get to London, I'm going to be a rapper.
00:55:45.000 I'm going to be a football star.
00:55:47.000 I'm going to be this, that, and the other.
00:55:49.000 They actually believe Europeans live in a paradise, or people in the Western world live in a paradise, because that's what they see on the internet.
00:55:56.000 Right.
00:55:58.000 And, of course, the traffickers are going to tell them that as well.
00:56:00.000 They aren't told the truth.
00:56:02.000 How do you think we get them the truth?
00:56:04.000 Because, like you said, a lot of them are burning their passports, their identification, because these traffickers are telling them so.
00:56:09.000 How do we reach those people before the traffickers?
00:56:12.000 How do you think people can most effectively cut that off at the pass?
00:56:16.000 Well, one big issue is you've got these NGOs that are out patrolling the waters and picking up Right. 0.97
00:56:24.000 people and bringing them into Europe. So that's their first indication that, of course, we're 0.71
00:56:28.000 welcome. Europeans have sent out boats to come and pick us up and bring us into Europe.
00:56:32.000 Of course they want us there. And then, of course, once those NGOs let them go into Europe,
00:56:37.000 they're completely on their own and they have nowhere to be.
00:56:39.000 And of course, they're going to become criminals and do horrible things because they
00:56:42.000 have no identity, no job, nothing to do. So if we shut down these NGOs, you will see the
00:56:48.000 biggest route into Europe used to be the Libyan. The biggest one has been the Greece route. 0.66
00:56:54.000 But Libya to Italy was one of the largest ones as well. Now it's almost completely
00:56:58.000 shut down. The first two months of this year, only 50 people have come from Libya to Italy
00:57:04.000 because the Italians shut down their ports to these non-government organization ships 0.99
00:57:09.000 picking people up.
00:57:11.000 Of course, the drownings have also completely stopped from Libya to Italy because people are no longer taking a reckless journey when they know they're not going to be welcome.
00:57:21.000 So you've stopped people from drowning, you've stopped people from living under bridges, you've stopped a giant human trafficking ring that are genuinely also enslaving people and using people as mules for drugs and weapons into Europe.
00:57:21.000 Yeah.
00:57:34.000 So I'd say if you shut down a lot of these NGO boats and the incentives to come,
00:57:39.000 that's a good start. And I would imagine that there are several other solutions and tradeoffs,
00:57:43.000 at least offered in the film borderless. People can see that trailer on your YouTube channel this
00:57:46.000 week. You know, it's not all too dissimilar for what's happening here in the southern border in
00:57:49.000 the United States. I don't know if you watch the State of the Union address, but when President
00:57:52.000 Trump mentioned the sex trafficking, all the women who are wearing white for women's rights,
00:57:56.000 you know, Cortez said that she was sitting until she looked and everyone was standing up clapping
00:58:00.000 like, I guess I don't hate Donald Trump that much. I'll get up. I won't clap for being anti
00:58:06.000 I'm sitting there going, you're wearing white for women's rights? 1.00
00:58:08.000 We should all be on board with, if nothing else, if you're even the biggest libertarian on the planet where you think heroin should be legal, great!
00:58:17.000 You still probably have to be against sex trafficking, against one's will, because not even willing prostitution!
00:58:22.000 And Cortez, and I don't know who else, wearing white.
00:58:24.000 They looked like it was the Bee Gees album.
00:58:26.000 They didn't stand up.
00:58:28.000 Alright, Lauren, where's the best place for people to find you and see more info on this documentary?
00:58:33.000 Everything will be posted on my Twitter, at Lauren underscore Southern, and there will be a new trailer up this week, so stay tuned there.
00:58:40.000 Trailer, not a teaser.
00:58:40.000 All right.
00:58:41.000 That means it's more substantive.
00:58:42.000 No, no, this one is a proper trailer.
00:58:44.000 It's got some meat to it.
00:58:46.000 This is a proper trailer, and LaurenSouthern.net.
00:58:48.000 Hopefully Jack Dorsey doesn't ban you.
00:58:49.000 Thank you so much for being here.
00:58:51.000 Uh, music's playing.
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00:58:58.000 Don't forget the Pi Chi 2 in the SoundCloud.
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00:59:05.000 Hey, Nick Nolte here from the Rosa Parks story for your consideration. 0.99
00:59:23.000 Tony, you gotta tune in to the Lotto and Crowder Oscar livestream party on February 24th.
00:59:28.000 I know what you're thinking.
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00:59:45.000 Hey, one Live Read of the Week right now and Gavin's still here. 1.00
00:59:54.000 Is it more comfortable?
00:59:54.000 He has a hat on properly.
00:59:55.000 I put my hat back on.
00:59:56.000 It's much more comfortable without the headphones, yeah. 0.94
00:59:58.000 It's kind of like you're going for the Beastie Boys had sex with hell or high water right now.
01:00:02.000 I was kind of going for Hunter S. Thompson never learned to read.
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01:01:15.000 Couple of things um That's the last time I let Johnny Boy clean my pipes.
01:01:37.000 He put in the stem upside down, so it makes a horrible snorkel.
01:01:41.000 Oh yeah, that would not work at all.
01:01:42.000 He'd just die.
01:01:43.000 Look, it needs to curve this way.
01:01:44.000 See?
01:01:44.000 Alright, done.
01:01:45.000 Hmm?
01:01:46.000 It curved it the opposite way.
01:01:47.000 It is the drowning dance, though.
01:01:48.000 It is the drowning dance.
01:01:49.000 I don't know when that started exactly.
01:01:52.000 Also, DefendGavin.com.
01:01:53.000 Thank you so much to Gavin McInnes.
01:01:54.000 Let us know what you think, how much you enjoyed Gavin in third chair.
01:01:56.000 We have a bunch of people, obviously, who come in in third chair.
01:01:58.000 I think we have Pentelis next week.
01:02:00.000 Pentelis.
01:02:00.000 I think it's next week or maybe the week after.
01:02:02.000 I don't know.
01:02:02.000 He's coming in.
01:02:03.000 Sooner or later we're going to have some kind of more prominent people.
01:02:06.000 We're just trying.
01:02:07.000 And then sometimes people come in in third chair.
01:02:08.000 We've had some big names who then get in trouble and can't come back, even though we love them.
01:02:12.000 There was something else that I was going to say.
01:02:15.000 Next week is a big hidden camera video.
01:02:19.000 Yes.
01:02:19.000 Going up Tuesday.
01:02:21.000 Potentially, I don't know, you know, we don't know what footage exactly that we have because we have about four or five different hidden cameras.
01:02:26.000 Yeah, still going through it.
01:02:28.000 But I know what we do have at least on audio and it's It's something that we didn't expect, so that's a big video on Tuesday.
01:02:34.000 We'll probably do a show Monday, not entirely sure, and of course Wednesday, Thursday, and we're going to have some new Change My Minds coming up.
01:02:41.000 I want to kind of warn people before, you know, usually these closing segments are, I guess, uplifting or helpful.
01:02:49.000 It was branded by some fans, Crowder Closes, and so now we use that on YouTube.
01:02:52.000 Thank you for the idea.
01:02:54.000 But I want to warn anyone there who is having a good time, I don't want to ruin your day.
01:02:59.000 This one is a little bit sad.
01:03:00.000 Hopefully helpful.
01:03:02.000 So, you know, if you need to grab some time or come back to this later.
01:03:05.000 3, 2, there you go, spoiler alert.
01:03:09.000 I know I talked about this on social media this week, that Hopper, of course who you know, and Hopper, he's been on the show quite a bit, was diagnosed with cancer lymphoma cancer so it's been a very hard week for us it is you know listen here's the thing I've debated going I've gone back and forth whether I should even talk about this because we don't know he could live a longer time you know he's a ten-year-old dog and he may not
01:03:39.000 Depends on how he responds to treatment.
01:03:41.000 Depends on how aggressive it is.
01:03:43.000 And it was a real roller coaster ride because we got this on Friday, this news.
01:03:47.000 And then we went to the oncologist and they said, hey, we actually don't think that's what it is.
01:03:53.000 And so we felt so good, like a weight was lifted.
01:03:56.000 And then we found out yesterday that that is what it was.
01:04:01.000 And they said, maybe it's not the fast moving cancer.
01:04:05.000 And it is the fast moving lymphoma cancer.
01:04:09.000 And I know it's people it's always a cop-out where people try to talk about and I just want to talk about things so people don't feel alone But I do know with millions of listeners out there people are tuning in there probably people going through a similar situation I want to be clear about something here.
01:04:21.000 I know that a man For whom the hardest thing they've ever experienced is their dog with cancer has lived a charmed life.
01:04:28.000 It's not lost on me, okay?
01:04:30.000 I want to make sure that I understand that.
01:04:31.000 I'm not equivocating losing a dog.
01:04:35.000 And by the way, he may not.
01:04:36.000 We don't know what's going to happen.
01:04:37.000 We don't know how long he's going to be here.
01:04:39.000 But I did feel that since he's been an active part of the show that I owed it to you to talk about this now.
01:04:46.000 And when it does happen, when he's not with us anymore, we're not going to do another clothing segment on this.
01:04:51.000 I wanted to talk about this now so that you didn't feel lied to, because I know that Hopper out there has 20, 30,000 followers on Twitter.
01:05:00.000 We don't even know who runs that account.
01:05:01.000 And by the way, whoever runs the Hopper accounts out there, obviously when When the final chapter is written, I'd appreciate if you just kind of close it down because I don't want to have to look at that.
01:05:13.000 So I understand that someone who's been through something like this saying it's the hardest thing that they've been through, they've lived a very charmed life.
01:05:19.000 This has absolutely been the hardest thing that I've ever experienced.
01:05:23.000 And I try to be honest, as honest as I can with you, these last two years have been some of the hardest of my life.
01:05:29.000 And this is the hardest thing I've been through.
01:05:31.000 I've lost relatives.
01:05:32.000 I've lost friends.
01:05:34.000 I've had friends who were taken too young.
01:05:36.000 I know this doesn't compare to losing children.
01:05:39.000 My dad had melanoma.
01:05:41.000 It doesn't mean that I don't love my father more.
01:05:43.000 It doesn't mean that I understand the value of human life is greater than a dog.
01:05:46.000 That's not it.
01:05:48.000 But Hopper is, outside of my wife, the living being on this earth that I gave more of myself to than any other person
01:05:59.000 on this planet.
01:05:59.000 My best friend is dying.
01:06:11.000 And there's no more honest way to express it.
01:06:13.000 Um, I don't know, this is the kind of, you know what? 0.99
01:06:16.000 F*** it, I don't care. 0.99
01:06:17.000 Someone will take that and turn it into a meme of a p***y. I don't, you know what? 1.00
01:06:19.000 I'll walk away from this before I ever actually have to feel ashamed of the fact that I'm emotional over the fact, emotional over losing... 0.83
01:06:26.000 A good friend.
01:06:27.000 And I know it'll be used against me.
01:06:28.000 I know that'll turn into a meme.
01:06:30.000 Whatever.
01:06:30.000 And I've talked about this.
01:06:31.000 I don't think that men need to not cry.
01:06:33.000 I just don't think you need to cry at every single thing that bothers you.
01:06:37.000 I don't think you need to cry because someone called you a name.
01:06:39.000 This is when men often cry. 0.52
01:06:42.000 Let me kind of give you some information on Hopper because you see him, but you don't You don't really know the whole story.
01:06:48.000 I prayed for Hopper.
01:06:49.000 I really did.
01:06:51.000 My whole life.
01:06:52.000 And he's really been a gift in my life and in my family's life.
01:06:55.000 And he's been the best gift.
01:06:57.000 And I poured so much of myself.
01:06:59.000 I never had a dog growing up.
01:07:00.000 And I wanted one.
01:07:01.000 I begged.
01:07:02.000 I pleaded for one.
01:07:03.000 I had all the dog books.
01:07:05.000 I watched the dog shows on TV.
01:07:06.000 I knew every breed.
01:07:07.000 I knew all the training methods.
01:07:09.000 But I couldn't have one because I was raised in an apartment.
01:07:12.000 And by the way, this is going to come back to something that's hopefully helpful for people out there.
01:07:15.000 So you don't just need to shut it off because it's sad.
01:07:17.000 There's a purpose to this.
01:07:19.000 And I learned a lot this week.
01:07:20.000 It's not that cheesy, this dog taught me more about... It's almost like this dog was rescuing me.
01:07:25.000 It's not that.
01:07:27.000 But I did learn a lot this week.
01:07:29.000 Couldn't have a talk when I grew up because I was raised in an apartment.
01:07:31.000 A little three-bedroom on Reed Street on the south shore of Montreal.
01:07:35.000 You can run a search on that right now and see the silver spoon with which I was raised.
01:07:41.000 Once I'd been married for a couple of years, I decided that I was going to fulfill a dream.
01:07:48.000 And see, at this point in time, I should clarify, I'd parted ways with Fox News, I'd sold some script rights, I was getting burnt out with stand-up, I was in western Michigan, Kind of floundering.
01:07:57.000 I was depressed.
01:07:59.000 I talked... I'm going to grab some water here real quick, so those who are listening to rest, really sorry.
01:08:02.000 It's just my mouth is drier than usual.
01:08:08.000 Keep it real, man!
01:08:09.000 People would say, they're not actually keeping it real.
01:08:12.000 They'd be crying if they were.
01:08:15.000 I was depressed, and I've talked about this before.
01:08:17.000 My wife didn't fully know how depressed I was, because I'd be up Before her in the morning, and I'd be off to the gym before she left for work.
01:08:27.000 And after the gym, I didn't know where I was headed.
01:08:30.000 In my life, I didn't know where I was headed.
01:08:31.000 I just knew that I had to keep moving.
01:08:33.000 But I decided that it was the right time to fulfill a lifelong dream.
01:08:38.000 I wanted my whole life, I wanted to have a dog.
01:08:40.000 Again, I know it sounds silly, but when you're a kid and all you want is a dog and you cannot have a dog, it's a big deal.
01:08:45.000 So around Christmas time, five years ago, six years ago, I started looking on Petfinder.
01:08:51.000 And I actually became a volunteer at a local non-kill shelter, which required a certain level of training to even begin with.
01:08:56.000 I had the books, I watched the training videos.
01:08:59.000 and I was going to be the best dog owner ever.
01:09:01.000 Hopper popped up on Pet Finder, and I remember the lady bringing him to our house,
01:09:04.000 and he was so nuts that first time I met him with energy because he'd been in a crate for so long.
01:09:08.000 And by the way, I want to make sure no one thinks that this, she was not abusing the dog.
01:09:11.000 She ran a rescue with her best friend, and she lost her best friend to cancer.
01:09:15.000 Melania, this has been a crappy 2019.
01:09:18.000 One of my wife's best friends just got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and obviously now with,
01:09:23.000 it's just, it's been a rough few months, but I'm still grateful.
01:09:28.000 It's a day above ground, and there are people who have it a whole lot worse.
01:09:30.000 So people out there who have it worse don't think that I'm comparing my plight to yours.
01:09:35.000 There's a lady who ran the shelter. 1.00
01:09:37.000 Anyway, that's what I was talking about She had a friend who ran it with her and not a shelter a rescue So they ran it out of their house, but her friend died cancer.
01:09:45.000 And so she was overwhelmed and And she had to crate a lot of the dogs, because not all dogs get along.
01:09:49.000 And Hopper had always been a people dog.
01:09:51.000 He's a super easy dog.
01:09:52.000 I mean, you know this.
01:09:53.000 Oh, yeah.
01:09:54.000 As long as he's around his people.
01:09:55.000 The reason he's not in here now, by the way, no, he's not dead.
01:09:57.000 People are like, where's Hopper?
01:09:58.000 It's just because there are other people around right now.
01:10:01.000 He'd rather be in the room where the most amount of people are.
01:10:05.000 But he doesn't do well in a crate.
01:10:06.000 So he came in the house, he was buzzing around like crazy.
01:10:08.000 He immediately rolled over, put his paw on me, and, you know, licked my face.
01:10:12.000 But my wife and I, remember, we decided that we weren't just going to take the dog in our first meeting.
01:10:16.000 We were going to talk about it.
01:10:17.000 We were going to be disciplined.
01:10:19.000 Which, I remember the rescue lady seemed really surprised.
01:10:21.000 And I felt bad because she made a decent trip out to us.
01:10:24.000 It was a little ways.
01:10:28.000 I mean, she shouldn't have been so surprised.
01:10:29.000 At that point, she was effectively bringing a fat, three-legged, balding, alopecia dog with Lyme disease.
01:10:34.000 She was like, we'll take it!
01:10:36.000 But he wasn't always the Hopper that you see today.
01:10:39.000 But I told her we'd give her an answer the following day.
01:10:41.000 Like I said, this is hopefully going to tie back in.
01:10:42.000 This is me taking time for me here.
01:10:44.000 But we really had already decided.
01:10:46.000 The next day we drove out, we meet her.
01:10:47.000 We meet this lady between our place and her place. 1.00
01:10:50.000 Took him in our old Explorer.
01:10:52.000 Was it the Taurus? I don't know. He ripped the steering wheel off the Taurus when we took him to an outdoor
01:10:55.000 shooting range.
01:10:55.000 We parked a mile away and he still heard it. He took the steering wheel off of our Taurus.
01:10:59.000 Um I remember she told us that first night. She told us that
01:11:03.000 we had to crate him.
01:11:04.000 That no matter how much he wailed, no matter how much he complained, that just stick it through.
01:11:07.000 Uh, you got to put him in the crate. Well that night he howled.
01:11:12.000 I mean, this dog howled.
01:11:14.000 I came down the next morning to find the crate.
01:11:15.000 It looked like the shark cage in Jaws, after it had been torn apart by the real shark.
01:11:20.000 They inserted documentary film footage in that.
01:11:22.000 It was broken down.
01:11:23.000 He'd thrown up.
01:11:23.000 He pooped in there.
01:11:25.000 And my wife and I were actually on our way to the Rite Aid for earplugs to prepare for the next night.
01:11:29.000 Because, well, we've got to stick this through.
01:11:30.000 When we came back, we realized that we hadn't crated him.
01:11:34.000 But he was just sleeping in his bed.
01:11:36.000 Fine.
01:11:37.000 Maybe he doesn't need it.
01:11:38.000 So we went to church.
01:11:40.000 Came back, was in his bed.
01:11:42.000 Didn't so much as nibble a shoelace.
01:11:44.000 Went to go see Captain America.
01:11:45.000 I don't remember which one it was at that point.
01:11:47.000 Came back, same.
01:11:48.000 And we've never really had a problem with him ever since.
01:11:52.000 We haven't had to crate him.
01:11:53.000 He got into the trash every now and then.
01:11:55.000 That's because my wife left a Slim Jim on the top of the trash at one point, and it was open, and so he just thought, oh, the trash is a place I go for Slim Jims.
01:12:01.000 I do, I do.
01:12:02.000 Why wouldn't you?
01:12:03.000 If it's on the top, you just pull a Costanza.
01:12:04.000 But it is funny because When I heard what the doctor said, I really could remember everything.
01:12:12.000 It's one of those things where people say your life flashes before your eyes, but when you're about to lose something really important, everything that's important about that person, that thing, floods every part of your brain.
01:12:24.000 Things that I didn't even know were in there, from how I used to sleep on the bed next to my desk in our den.
01:12:31.000 Back when we did the show, and it was in a den, he was right next to my desk every single day.
01:12:37.000 I used to ram his head if the door was closed, just boom!
01:12:40.000 You'd hear him crying.
01:12:42.000 And I remember serving him sardines on the old front porch and trying to eat them myself and almost throwing up.
01:12:48.000 I remember teaching him to sit, to stay.
01:12:50.000 And I remember taking him out to run out by the old East Grand Rapids High School track, taking him up north for the first time.
01:12:59.000 And particularly I remember that second night, after the first night with the crate, I remember him just falling asleep in my wife's arms on the futon like he'd known her his whole life.
01:13:06.000 And he's done it ever since, every single night.
01:13:10.000 And I had to be on a schedule for Hopper.
01:13:13.000 I had to live for something else who was completely dependent on me.
01:13:16.000 And that's why I think this is so hard, because he can't tell us, you know, that he's in pain.
01:13:20.000 That's what's so hard.
01:13:21.000 You have to make a decision out of wanting to avoid cruelty, and sometimes you have to make a decision that is to end the life of someone or something you care so much about.
01:13:30.000 But at this point, I remember, it gave me a purpose.
01:13:33.000 It made me more of an adult.
01:13:36.000 And Hopper makes me happy.
01:13:37.000 He makes me really happy.
01:13:38.000 And sometimes in life, you can picture flashpoint moments that cut deeper than you've ever felt in your life.
01:13:46.000 In that moment, those words are burned into your memory, etched into the walls of your soul forever.
01:13:52.000 And when we found the news, I remember my wife tearing up and she said,
01:13:58.000 she said that she just wanted to bottle everything up about Hopper, that there is, and just carry it.
01:14:04.000 She said that she just wanted to bottle up everything that was about Hopper
01:14:11.000 and just carry it with her forever.
01:14:13.000 And that's exactly how I feel.
01:14:16.000 And I feel terrible that there's nothing I can do to help my wife, too.
01:14:20.000 That's something that's terrible.
01:14:20.000 They talk about toxic masculinity.
01:14:22.000 Listen, it doesn't come from having to prove myself.
01:14:24.000 It comes from loving my wife, from trying to provide for my wife, from wanting to burden that pain of my wife, because we're called to do that.
01:14:30.000 As men, as Christians, as believers in God, yet believers in Christ, it's really painful, not just losing your best friend, but knowing how much pain your wife is in.
01:14:39.000 and there's nothing you can do. Some people get some great gifts in their lives,
01:14:43.000 and Hopper really was the best gift.
01:14:46.000 I can talk about this a little bit.
01:14:53.000 You know, everyone always says their dog is special.
01:14:56.000 And I'm sure that's true to an extent.
01:14:58.000 But believe me, when I say that Hopper really is special, he changed lives.
01:15:03.000 And I see people like, oh, I miss my dog, and it's just a dog that's, you know, crapping around the house, and they have no relationship with, there's no peace in the house.
01:15:11.000 No, Hopper was, he changed lives.
01:15:13.000 I don't just mean that in the sense that, oh, he changed our lives, or he brought love into the house.
01:15:16.000 He changed people's lives.
01:15:18.000 Ask anyone on the team.
01:15:20.000 He's probably changed a lot of your lives.
01:15:21.000 Ask anyone who's come to visit.
01:15:23.000 People who don't even like dogs loved Hopper.
01:15:25.000 My aunt, who was terrified of dogs, loved Hopper.
01:15:28.000 Wanted to get a dog because of Hopper.
01:15:30.000 Kids, who were terrified of dogs, loved Hopper.
01:15:33.000 He didn't always love them back.
01:15:34.000 That's the one thing, Hopper, with the kids who were rambunctious, whacking him.
01:15:37.000 He would walk away, but if he walked away and you followed him, you'd see the growl.
01:15:42.000 You saw the Hodge twins, good example, on this show, Freak, when I introduced them to Hopper.
01:15:46.000 One of the funniest things I've ever seen.
01:15:46.000 I about passed out in the show laughing.
01:15:48.000 They were terrified.
01:15:49.000 What you didn't see was the next time they came over to my house and Hopper was there, they were sitting and petting Hopper.
01:15:55.000 Even just this last time.
01:15:57.000 Because he was such a peaceful dog.
01:15:58.000 And he's, by the way, I shouldn't say he was, he is.
01:16:00.000 Such a calm dog, and such a loving dog, that he would change people's hearts and views on dogs.
01:16:05.000 He had a gift, genuinely, of melting away fear.
01:16:09.000 And they wanted to make him a therapy dog, until we found out that he didn't like sunglasses.
01:16:12.000 If you were wearing sunglasses, he might mess you up!
01:16:15.000 So thank God we didn't make him a therapy dog, but that's why.
01:16:18.000 And going through this, and it being the most painful thing I've experienced, I'm ashamed to say that at one point, I actually just thought, when this was just happening, and there was this blinding pain, the worst part was not knowing what was happening, right?
01:16:30.000 That's what's sometimes worse, is the anticipation of what actually happens.
01:16:35.000 Not knowing the answer, whether it was the aggressive cancer, or whether it was a slow-moving cancer.
01:16:38.000 At one point, I actually just thought of wanting to have Betty, our new puppy, adopted.
01:16:44.000 Not because I don't love Betty, but because I thought, I just can never go through this again.
01:16:49.000 I thought, I'll do anything to avoid this kind of pain again, at all costs. 0.99
01:16:54.000 And then I I realized how stupid and ungrateful I was. 0.99
01:16:59.000 I probably never felt more ashamed of myself in my life that I was taking a gift that I'd prayed for my whole life, all my childhood, and I was spitting on it. 1.00
01:17:07.000 Why?
01:17:07.000 Because I didn't get to keep it forever?
01:17:09.000 Because as much as it hurts, I've gained so much more.
01:17:14.000 And I really hope that for a three-legged dog with alopecia and Lyme disease, he would say that.
01:17:20.000 I hope that I gave enough.
01:17:23.000 And I realized that I felt that way before.
01:17:26.000 Not just about Hopper, I felt that way with this show, where things got so hard that I wanted to throw it all away.
01:17:32.000 Anything to avoid the hell that I was going through at that point ever again.
01:17:36.000 But I've gained so much more.
01:17:37.000 You have given me so much more.
01:17:39.000 And in the same way, I can only hope that I've given enough.
01:17:41.000 So, the takeaway tonight, and it's a cliché, I know, but sometimes a tale as old as time is that way for a simple reason, and that's because it's true. 0.92
01:17:52.000 I've talked about it before, it's nothing new, but genuinely, be grateful.
01:17:58.000 And something else, too, I noticed we were... sometimes you're really praying and begging for something more than you'll have gratitude for when you actually get what you ask for.
01:18:10.000 Because when we were praying, please, please, we just don't want this to be aggressive cancer, and then they told us it probably wasn't.
01:18:16.000 We said, wow, we really, really need to be thankful here.
01:18:18.000 Now then, that was taken away from us because it turned out that it was.
01:18:20.000 They went back and forth.
01:18:21.000 Get your facts straight, Svet!
01:18:24.000 No, they're good vets.
01:18:25.000 They couldn't know.
01:18:26.000 He's a weird dog.
01:18:27.000 He's tough to examine.
01:18:28.000 But sometimes you pray for miracles and then don't believe that they'll happen.
01:18:34.000 And I also noticed that pain doesn't, we used to say misery loves company.
01:18:38.000 I don't think it's that so much as pain doesn't love to be alone.
01:18:41.000 We were at the vet and when we got that good news at the oncologist, I remember there was a lady there with her dog, Leah, who had mesothelioma and wasn't doing so well.
01:18:50.000 And we told her about Hopper and we went in and that was at the point when they gave us better news.
01:18:54.000 And we came out and She said, yeah, what, and she seemed upset.
01:18:59.000 She said, what news did you get?
01:19:01.000 And, uh, we could tell she was upset and we said, yeah, you know, it's, it's not good.
01:19:06.000 We had just received great news, but we realized that she would feel more alone if we said, yeah, great news.
01:19:11.000 And her dog was probably not going to make it with mess with him.
01:19:14.000 It was really rough.
01:19:14.000 It was pretty far along.
01:19:16.000 Um, because pain just doesn't want to be alone.
01:19:18.000 And that's why I'm sure I try to be as transparent as possible.
01:19:21.000 By the way, sharing something for the sake of sharing a Jordan Peterson's talk doesn't help anybody. 0.88
01:19:26.000 If it's not something good.
01:19:27.000 A lot of people just share sin.
01:19:28.000 A lot of people share their faults and don't offer a solution.
01:19:31.000 Like, well, I just don't want you to feel alone!
01:19:33.000 And so they talk about mental health issues or drugs.
01:19:36.000 Well, hold on, do you have a solution to it?
01:19:37.000 Otherwise, you're not helping.
01:19:39.000 But sharing pain, the kind of pain that everyone goes through, it really does help people in knowing that they're not alone.
01:19:45.000 But if we're going to have one takeaway this week, and now I'm just sort of circling the runway, I guess, it really is simple.
01:19:50.000 Be grateful.
01:19:51.000 If you've got a gift, appreciate it.
01:19:53.000 Share it.
01:19:54.000 Because most gifts, nearly all gifts, aren't forever.
01:19:57.000 And just because it's not forever, just because at some point it may hurt, it doesn't mean that it's not a gift.
01:20:05.000 And you don't have the right to throw it all away.
01:20:08.000 So I'll keep you updated.
01:20:09.000 Follow me on Instagram, and we'll talk about that.
01:20:11.000 Sorry, I was... I'll see you next time.