This week on Louder with Crowder Studios, we hear about a woman who thinks she's a man, a man who thinks he's a woman, and a man that thinks he might be a woman. Plus, we talk about the latest in the Jack Dorsey saga, and Slate accuses President Trump of having a sex disorder.
00:04:34.000See, usually a hat would be worn under the headphones.
00:04:38.000Well, if your hat has a brim, then you have to wear it on top of your headphones, and it takes intense balancing, but I was an African woman for many years, and we would go and collect water from a river that was about four miles from our mud hut.
00:04:50.000Was this in a previous life, or just when you were a racist?
00:04:53.000Uh, no, I identified as an African woman.
00:07:53.000The firefighters closed off the street and shoveled the chocolate about 108 square feet.
00:07:57.000I'm surprised they don't use meters here.
00:07:58.000To one side before a specialist cleaning company cleaned the road.
00:08:02.000Unfortunately, that specialty cleaning company turned out to be a refugee rape gang led by none other than the notorious Augustus Mohammed Gloop.
00:10:01.000And unfortunately, this led to the decline in stock prices for Dairy Futures, Tyson Foods, and the swift execution of all participating dancers at New Jersey's Beefcakes.
00:12:19.000It comes from the Daily Mail anyway, so it's a silly place.
00:12:21.000Claiming harassment and malicious communications, police arrested her, this mom, in front of her children and they held her for seven hours.
00:12:30.000To be fair to the police, they did find these friendly refugees to babysit, so it wasn't all bad.
00:12:37.000This is the country, by the way, that probably sacrificed more than almost anybody during World War II to make sure that we fought the exact forces that are taking them over, and now it's literally 1984 all over again.
00:12:46.000I mean, the book is becoming true reality, and we can watch it.
00:12:50.000They call it deadnaming, and they go, you've killed me by getting my gender wrong, and then you look at the person, you go, you look like my dad with a girl drawn on your face.
00:13:00.000Yes, and let's be honest, let's be honest, there was a 42% chance you're gonna do it anyway.
00:13:34.000She claimed that she used to get high in high school, or sorry, college, college, in college while she was listening to Snoop Dogg and Tupac.
00:16:56.000So the winner though is William J. Boston at WillBoss88, show him you love him, who correctly answered that Clint Howard played YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki.
00:17:32.000He's what you would expect Clint Howard to be.
00:17:34.000He did our show from his hot tub naked one time.
00:17:37.000And he drops his phone, and we see just a little bit of that kind of fold above the pecker, and it goes right into the water, like it was a sketch.
00:17:56.000And here's the one thing I will say about Clinton Howard, and it's completely unrelated.
00:18:00.000I thought, oh my gosh, when he was doing Susan Wojcicki, Maybe we should tell this after the show, because I feel like this is inside baseball, that people should join Mug Club if they want to actually hear all of these stories.
00:18:56.000So the dive-in segment here, again, the question of the day, what do you think about social media, if they need to be regulated as public utilities?
00:19:01.000Nigel Farage said that last time he was on.
00:19:11.000But specifically podcasts, Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, to talk about the company's Policies as well as free speech.
00:19:17.000So the problem here is that Dorsey continually, in my opinion, deceives people about Twitter's real policies while dodging questions and criticism.
00:19:27.000I think a couple things that are important.
00:19:29.000Jack Dorsey says that he doesn't want echo, that's what he says, he says he doesn't want echo chambers.
00:19:32.000But it's important to delineate the difference between, I agree, I think all of us would agree that targeted harassment, targeted libel, something that could result in doxing, physical harm, that has no role on social media because that's a crime in real life, by the way.
00:19:44.000But that's not the same as an echo chamber.
00:19:47.000And watch him talk about echo chambers here on, I think this is Joe Rogan.
00:19:50.000We do incentivize a lot of echo chambers because we don't make it easy for people to... Sounds like he's saying he emphasizes... He sounds slightly shamed.
00:20:01.000If I follow a bunch of accounts that, like Boris Johnson who was constantly giving me information about reasons to leave, Tell me about Brexit.
00:20:11.000I would probably only see that perspective.
00:20:31.000And here, you kind of see the solution there where it's about, he was looking at Garrett, like, why is Garrett doing this just so I know how short the clip is?
00:20:36.000It's because he can't see outside the brim of your hat.
00:20:39.000Notice the solution here is always to try and engineer people.
00:20:41.000It's like, well, people don't follow people with opposing viewpoints.
00:20:44.000By the way, we always encourage you to.
00:20:45.000We always encourage you to read Huffington Post and Salon and go watch Fox every single day.
00:20:49.000We tell you to go read the Green New Deal for yourself.
00:20:51.000So if people make the mistake of not doing that, that's on them.
00:20:54.000But I find it really interesting that he brings up Brexit.
00:20:57.000And he mentions that as an echo chamber.
00:23:01.000When you see some conservatives, when you see alternative viewpoints doing well, the sharks are going to come.
00:23:07.000You're going to see them, particularly from old media, ABC, NBC, CBS, Viacom.
00:23:11.000CNN, right, Turner, you're going to see them go after YouTube where they cannot win on a level
00:23:16.000playing field as it relates to viewers, as it relates to content. So how do they win? Money
00:23:20.000and censoring the opposition. And here we are now. This was the whole purpose to new media.
00:23:25.000So that someone like a Boris Johnson or a Nigel Farage could have just as loud of a voice as the
00:23:30.000BBC. Yeah, Gavin. We should make it clear too, there is such a thing as Nazis.
00:23:35.000There is a tiny group of Pepe Nutbars who photoshop you and I with swastikas and gas chambers, and they talk about the JQ and the 14 words and the 88 and all their little jargon and stuff.
00:23:48.000And if you allow those guys into your platform, it tends to be pretty bad for your platform.
00:23:53.000They tend to just make everyone go, I'm getting out of here.
00:24:04.000But those tailgate crappers are a very tiny sliver, and they're very easy to identify.
00:24:10.000And I think Twitter started out doing a pretty good job of getting rid of that tiny minority of lunatic Nazis.
00:24:16.000Maybe like 1% of the population, or much less actually, half a percent.
00:24:20.000And then, they were normal for a while, and comedians could tell horrible jokes and iron out content, and it's pretty fun.
00:24:27.000And then, using the justification of the sliver, the tailgate crappers, they started just getting anyone Christian, conservative, remotely controversial, and now it's kind of the opposite.
00:24:38.000By the way, the only people I know who use the term nutbar are you and Kevin O'Leary.
00:24:41.000You know, you're sounding like some kind of a left-wing nutbar.
00:25:00.000By the way, in his interview with Dorsey, actually, Sam Harris, who I would love to have Sam Harris on the show, but I do find listening to his show sometimes painful.
00:25:19.000Megan Murphy, who... She's a feminist, but she's not sufficiently woke, apparently, on the transgender topic, and she wrote a tweet, which I believe read, men are not women, and got suspended over that tweet.
00:25:36.000And not to tell my own substrate, when there was a clear, concerted campaign led by, as you mentioned, white supremacist websites, and of course they're acquiescent liberals on social media, to defame and paint me as a neo-Nazi with fake tweets like, gas the Jews, hang the n-words.
00:25:47.000Twitter, by the way, took no action to have those false, libelous tweets removed.
00:26:32.000Yeah, well, no, I was going to kind of mention that, too.
00:26:34.000Like, I understand if somebody wants to post something like that, like he said, that little sliver that's going to post something, as soon as you bring it up, it should be taken care of.
00:26:41.000That would be a level playing field, right?
00:27:31.000By the way, it's especially funny that Jack in that interview, Jack Dorsey, he mentions journalists.
00:27:35.000He specifies the importance of journalists since Twitter goes out of its way to ensure that the hypersensitive leftist journalists don't receive any criticism at all.
00:27:43.000Remember, people who jokingly tweeted, learn to code at the journalists were suspended Immediately!
00:28:26.000I think another point that people really need to at least it needs to be illuminated is the reasons for the bans.
00:28:32.000Because Dorsey's been going around and And I want to know also, by the way, another question, how do you think the interviewers have treated him?
00:28:38.000I've heard a lot of people complain, saying that they thought he wasn't pressed enough by some of these podcasts, and then some people say that they think it's productive that he's on any podcast at all.
00:29:29.000We're so mentally obese these days, and we're so bad at conflict, that when you get a good guest, and you hammer them, and you have a back and forth, you'll never get a liberal again, you'll never get a famous person again.
00:29:38.000So you have to sort of, it's like feeding a squirrel.
00:29:40.000You have to be like, thanks for coming on the show, Jack.
00:29:42.000Okay, you do your propaganda, and then I'll maybe cast aspersions after you leave.
00:29:49.000I think this is an important point that kind of segues into the fact that Dorsey repeatedly said that Twitter should have been more clear about why people were banned, what the terms of service specified.
00:32:32.000There was no fire, it was just Weinstein trying to rape.
00:32:35.000I was just hearing those words come out of my mouth going, well, that's what's going on.
00:32:40.000Lying is incredibly easy, as seen by Jack Dorsey.
00:32:42.000Here's the thing, the only thing that Jack has been consistent about is stressing that harassment campaigns are the most bannable offense, and I think, again, we all agree with that here.
00:32:50.000But we've already seen that those campaigns don't apply to targeted, repeated libel of someone like myself, or Gavin, by the way, or a more recent example, the Covington School Kids.
00:32:59.000Celebrities were calling for the kids' addresses, wanting them to be harmed, because a kid smiled at a toothless meth head who was twice deferred, sorry, twice went AWOL as a veteran, was a refrigerator repairman, and was wearing a MAGA hat.
00:33:55.000We haven't focused on the off-platform ramifications of what happens online.
00:33:59.000So basically, I didn't even need that clip because I told you.
00:34:04.000You're right, Jack Dorsey, you haven't.
00:34:06.000Because you've been more worried about journalists receiving slightly mean tweets or people making scientifically accurate claims that might offend, I don't know, 0.5% of the population.
00:34:13.000By the way, you miss ISIS recruiting, bomb threats, Antifa staging violent assaults on people because you were more worried about a Buzzfeed boldly bitch getting her feelings heard over a doctor pointing out her BMI of 76.
00:34:46.000I think another point, obviously, is that people need to see here.
00:34:50.000In certain segments of these interviews, Jack actually kind of lets the mask slip.
00:34:53.000And the good thing is, we get to see, kind of like with the abortion laws, we now get to see the true agenda of Twitter.
00:34:58.000Where I want Twitter specifically to go is, you know, I think it's existential right now that we have global conversations about some things that will become crisis.
00:35:20.000The rise of AI and job displacement and just like us offloading decisions to these algorithms really puts the world at a disadvantage because it incentivizes more of the echo chambers which lead to things like nationalism instead of taking the broader picture.
00:35:41.000To put it simply, you could write a clickbait headline that reads, RADICAL GLOBALIST JACK DORSEY NOW PUSHING ANTI-HUMAN GREEN NEW DEAL AGENDA, and it would be accurate!
00:35:54.000And it's basically just propaganda that he's quoting.
00:35:56.000It's like, guys, there is a big debate on climate science right now, if it's changing as much as you say, and if we are the people that are actually causing it, or if it's the cows farting, according to AOC.
00:36:10.000But actually, I think what's important is in this final clip, Sam Harris got Jack Dorsey to admit that they're no longer trying to be neutral.
00:36:59.000We want to ensure that fairness plays no role on our platform at all.
00:37:02.000I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
00:37:04.000Well, how did you do an interview with Joe Rogan for four hours?
00:37:07.000And so I don't know what that violation was.
00:37:08.000And it's really important that we have freedom of speech.
00:37:10.000And then you go out here and you say, uh, I don't remember the, I don't remember the timeline, which shows he did, but he would go on shows for hours and say, yeah, yeah, we want it to be an open platform for all.
00:37:28.000Then she gets there and she goes, we would be lying if we didn't say that our background and our Hispanic heritage didn't affect our decisions.
00:39:13.000Do I need to shoot myself in the head with this, Walter?
00:39:15.000Because I don't want to get my sponsor into trouble.
00:39:18.000If you want to know what Silicon Valley is, just picture Bernie, Cory Booker, Ocasio-Cortez sitting in a boardroom deciding what can and cannot be said on the internet.
00:41:25.000Side effects may include reduced crime, increased wages, economic productivity, drastically reduced sex trafficking, and winning.
00:41:30.000Not for use by those who can understand it's commercial, however, consumable.
00:41:32.000Croyer are those with Aztec, Mayan, and or Incan heritage.
00:41:35.000Whoa, this has been a really one-sided, if you'll excuse the pun, mugging, since the opening bell when the tumbler infected the entire first row with AIDS.
00:41:56.000The referee really needs to put a stop to this.
00:43:44.000Changing My Mind on Immigration is what it was called.
00:43:46.000First off, how much of this was actually given as a speech in front of people versus, you know, like the green screen portion?
00:43:52.000Right, so I did the speech in front of about 50 MEPs.
00:43:57.000Of course, when you're at the EU, it's not necessarily about having a full room as much as it is about who is in the room and who is affecting governments and policies.
00:44:05.000But we did actually refilm the speech because the technology that they use for recording EU events is subpar, like anything that government does.
00:44:20.000Yeah, so the audio is a bit bad, but we redid it.
00:44:22.000Everything that I said in the speech in my YouTube video was exactly what I said to these politicians, and I think it came across quite well, because a lot of these politicians, I think, throw away right-wing arguments as just, oh, they're hateful, they're racist.
00:44:35.000But the speech I gave, if people have watched it, was actually on Completely from the immigrant's perspective.
00:44:42.000And that's what a lot of Borderless is.
00:44:44.000I'd say about 70% of the documentary is us just with the migrants on the ground, talking to them, asking them about their experiences, what it's been like.
00:44:53.000And something that I was so shocked to find on this trip was once we got to the European part of the documentary, actually with these migrants, once they've made it, we had A large amount of them telling us they wish they had never left home and they wish they could go back.
00:45:12.000That's something that I'd never seen on the news before.
00:45:15.000Well, how much of that is like they'd really rather go back to, you know, Syria where they're being burned alive in cages versus maybe a little lack of gratitude.
00:45:21.000I mean, I'm not saying the UK is that great, but it still seems better than Syria at this point.
00:45:28.000Well, this is the issue is I probably only met about 10 Syrians, if that, during the entire trip.
00:45:35.000I thought they were all Syrian Christians.
00:45:41.000The majority of people coming right now.
00:45:43.000So we actually Spent time on the Turkish side of the border waiting along the coast where it's just covered in just mess, clothing everywhere, dinghies, vests, like the evidence of the migration is insane.
00:45:57.000And we spent time like hiding from gendarme helicopters above us, so the Turkish police under Trees, with all these migrants, and every single one of them with us there, waiting for the boats to come to take them to Greece, was from Afghanistan.
00:46:11.000Once we got to the Greek side, most of the people in the camps were from... I mean, like I said, I met about 10 people from Syria.
00:46:19.000The majority of them were from other places in the Middle East.
00:46:22.000Certainly Morocco would be on the Royal Subs here in Africa.
00:46:24.000The point remains, though, I would think that still London would be nicer than most of Afghanistan, but I don't know.
00:46:30.000Well, here's the issue, is because they don't want to be deported, human traffickers will tell them, throw your passport out, burn your passport.
00:46:38.000So they get to Europe, they have no ID, they don't really want to be identified because they're not actually refugees, a lot of them, or maybe they have criminal backgrounds, so they can't really apply for asylum.
00:48:27.000And I think it's a very important point that you make.
00:48:29.000And I do want to say, I know there was a man named, I think, Mohammed, who asked you a question, who talked about how he was concerned that this would be another right-wing hit piece.
00:48:36.000And how, I wouldn't, here's the thing, I wouldn't say even-handed, I know that you're more conservative.
00:48:40.000I think people watching know that you're more conservative.
00:48:42.000But you can have a personal bias and also try to look at an issue through a point of view accurately.
00:48:48.000And for people who don't know, it does seem that you've made an earnest effort to look at this from the immigrants, from the migrants, from the refugee, from the asylum seekers, whatever term you want to use that day, okay?
00:48:56.000I don't want to be hooked on this with this project.
00:49:00.000And I did want to ask you, because you said to this person, you said, well, thank you for noticing.
00:49:03.000I have kind of transitioned from the kind of shocking-in-your-face trolling journalism to what I'm doing now.
00:49:17.000Well, I think that there was a place for the shocking conversations just saying like, feminism
00:49:25.000is cancer, just to get yourselves out there, because there was no real right wing conversation
00:49:31.000going on before the Trump era for the anti-feminist stuff, for the anti-socialism stuff.
00:49:38.000And we kind of needed to just bring ourselves into the conversation at all, because we had
00:49:42.000been completely excommunicated from the media, excommunicated from classroom discussions.
00:49:46.000And we just said, well, Let's shock them.
00:49:48.000Let's shock them to get ourselves into the conversation.
00:49:50.000Now we've kind of got a foot in the door in popular culture.
00:49:53.000Young people are watching conservative media more and more.
00:49:55.000You've got PewDiePie, H3H3, all these big names finally talking about how insane the left has become.
00:50:02.000So there was a place for it then, but I think that the shock stuff has had the effect that it is going to have and convinced as many people as it's going to convince.
00:50:12.000And now we need to get back to some serious Hard evidence, statistics, long-form stuff.
00:50:20.000I do think everyone has a different place.
00:50:21.000There's always going to be a place for that shock stuff.
00:50:24.000I still enjoy watching when people do it.
00:50:26.000But there's definitely an opening or vacuum for people to make documentaries and longer-form conservative discussion.
00:50:35.000Because if we just get into the troll-style stuff, then conservatism and right-wing ideology for young people isn't going to be taken too seriously.
00:50:43.000And there are people yearning for more than that.
00:50:46.000Now, I guess my question is, why did you, since you say there's a place for both, and I agree with you, why did you feel personally led to moving on to kind of this chapter?
00:50:55.000Because it is different, and it's obviously, I do think it's productive, and I agree with you, there's a place for both, but you've decided for yourself, this is what you want to do.
00:51:01.000Is there a specific reason that you said, for me, this is my priority now?
00:51:05.000Honestly, I have never been a Professor of anything.
00:51:12.000I'm not gonna pretend I know everything.
00:51:14.000So, for the things that I do know, and the things that I could speak on, I have given my opinion.
00:51:21.000I've said my thoughts on feminism, I've said my thoughts on immigration, socialism, whatever it may be, I've given my opinion.
00:51:28.000And I realized that the only way I could continue Doing YouTube is if I were just repeating myself for the sake of having a YouTube career, and I didn't want to do that.
00:51:38.000Like talking into a camera in a car, owning libs.
00:51:41.000Isn't it funny that people who claim they're intolerant are actually, they claim they're intolerant, they're intolerant.
00:51:47.000Did you know free speech is good, right?
00:51:51.000And if I want to actually do something that I feel is contributing and I don't feel like I'm just doing for the sake of having a career, because this was never, when I started, this was never about making a career out of this.
00:52:00.000I wasn't getting paid to make videos initially.
00:52:06.000So if I wanted to still do something that I believed in, well, I was going to have to dive a little deeper and go on the ground.
00:52:10.000And because I'm not an expert, the thing that I can offer is I can go on the ground, and I'm crazy enough to go and actually see these things for myself and bring back some of the footage for everyone else to analyze.
00:52:32.000Once I became a husband, I realized, like, no, no, I'm not going to do this and just run the risk, and we don't want to see you get hurt.
00:52:38.000But, you know, I really appreciate you saying that, because what you're basically talking about doing here, correct me if I'm wrong, is learning with the audience, and learning, hopefully, accurately and earnestly.
00:52:49.000You've never done any of this, never done any of the fundraising, never worked for any other company, never worked a real job in your life.
00:52:54.000Obviously, you've done all those things, but picture if you hadn't, And you're a congresswoman.
00:53:09.000That's a stressful thing personally as well.
00:53:11.000Like, I guarantee Cortez wakes up and is aware of that at times.
00:53:15.000Because if you keep up a facade of knowing everything and pretending you know everything, and you don't, that is personally And mentally, just really, really difficult, because you know you'll never actually live up to that standard.
00:53:27.000So I wonder if Cortez wakes up in the morning thinking, damn, I have to put on this mask and keep this act up.
00:53:46.000Going back to borderless, there's a transition.
00:53:49.000You say we have more resources to fix this problem.
00:53:52.000Do you offer a solution, or do you have some ideas as to how we could solve the problem?
00:53:56.000Because I know everyone thinks they're compassionate, but like you said, once the dust settles, those compassionate people, and we're all compassionate, but I mean the compassionate leftists, disappear.
00:54:04.000How do you think we could handle this in a way that would be even-handed, or effective, or best use of funds?
00:54:11.000The thing I'm becoming increasingly more aware of is that there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs.
00:54:17.000There are better options than others, but in this case, I would say it is the most compassionate thing to everyone involved to be honest about what is going on.
00:54:29.000Because right now, the only people that are benefiting from us telling migrants, come to Europe, you've got a place here, open borders, look at all these migrants, they're playing on the Olympic teams, they're going to the Vatican with the Pope, they're shaking Merkel's hand, they're shaking Trudeau's hand, look at the life they get to live.
00:55:27.000They love when they say refugees welcome.
00:55:29.000They love when they say come here and as soon as you touch European land in the Schengen zone, you can shop around for your welfare country of your choice.
00:55:38.000And when you talk to these people in the mountains of Morocco, they genuinely believe.
00:55:43.000They're like, when I get to London, I'm going to be a rapper.
00:55:47.000I'm going to be this, that, and the other.
00:55:49.000They actually believe Europeans live in a paradise, or people in the Western world live in a paradise, because that's what they see on the internet.
00:57:11.000Of course, the drownings have also completely stopped from Libya to Italy because people are no longer taking a reckless journey when they know they're not going to be welcome.
00:57:21.000So you've stopped people from drowning, you've stopped people from living under bridges, you've stopped a giant human trafficking ring that are genuinely also enslaving people and using people as mules for drugs and weapons into Europe.
00:57:34.000So I'd say if you shut down a lot of these NGO boats and the incentives to come,
00:57:39.000that's a good start. And I would imagine that there are several other solutions and tradeoffs,
00:57:43.000at least offered in the film borderless. People can see that trailer on your YouTube channel this
00:57:46.000week. You know, it's not all too dissimilar for what's happening here in the southern border in
00:57:49.000the United States. I don't know if you watch the State of the Union address, but when President
00:57:52.000Trump mentioned the sex trafficking, all the women who are wearing white for women's rights,
00:57:56.000you know, Cortez said that she was sitting until she looked and everyone was standing up clapping
00:58:00.000like, I guess I don't hate Donald Trump that much. I'll get up. I won't clap for being anti
00:58:06.000I'm sitting there going, you're wearing white for women's rights?
00:58:08.000We should all be on board with, if nothing else, if you're even the biggest libertarian on the planet where you think heroin should be legal, great!
00:58:17.000You still probably have to be against sex trafficking, against one's will, because not even willing prostitution!
00:58:22.000And Cortez, and I don't know who else, wearing white.
00:58:24.000They looked like it was the Bee Gees album.
01:00:31.000I've never met anyone who's tried a Walther firearm, compared it to, you know, what was in that same kind of price range, and not preferred it.
01:00:37.000And if you don't like it, that's fine.
01:00:38.000But they do have the balls to step up and support this show.
01:02:21.000Potentially, I don't know, you know, we don't know what footage exactly that we have because we have about four or five different hidden cameras.
01:02:28.000But I know what we do have at least on audio and it's It's something that we didn't expect, so that's a big video on Tuesday.
01:02:34.000We'll probably do a show Monday, not entirely sure, and of course Wednesday, Thursday, and we're going to have some new Change My Minds coming up.
01:02:41.000I want to kind of warn people before, you know, usually these closing segments are, I guess, uplifting or helpful.
01:02:49.000It was branded by some fans, Crowder Closes, and so now we use that on YouTube.
01:03:09.000I know I talked about this on social media this week, that Hopper, of course who you know, and Hopper, he's been on the show quite a bit, was diagnosed with cancer lymphoma cancer so it's been a very hard week for us it is you know listen here's the thing I've debated going I've gone back and forth whether I should even talk about this because we don't know he could live a longer time you know he's a ten-year-old dog and he may not
01:03:39.000Depends on how he responds to treatment.
01:03:43.000And it was a real roller coaster ride because we got this on Friday, this news.
01:03:47.000And then we went to the oncologist and they said, hey, we actually don't think that's what it is.
01:03:53.000And so we felt so good, like a weight was lifted.
01:03:56.000And then we found out yesterday that that is what it was.
01:04:01.000And they said, maybe it's not the fast moving cancer.
01:04:05.000And it is the fast moving lymphoma cancer.
01:04:09.000And I know it's people it's always a cop-out where people try to talk about and I just want to talk about things so people don't feel alone But I do know with millions of listeners out there people are tuning in there probably people going through a similar situation I want to be clear about something here.
01:04:21.000I know that a man For whom the hardest thing they've ever experienced is their dog with cancer has lived a charmed life.
01:04:37.000We don't know how long he's going to be here.
01:04:39.000But I did feel that since he's been an active part of the show that I owed it to you to talk about this now.
01:04:46.000And when it does happen, when he's not with us anymore, we're not going to do another clothing segment on this.
01:04:51.000I wanted to talk about this now so that you didn't feel lied to, because I know that Hopper out there has 20, 30,000 followers on Twitter.
01:05:00.000We don't even know who runs that account.
01:05:01.000And by the way, whoever runs the Hopper accounts out there, obviously when When the final chapter is written, I'd appreciate if you just kind of close it down because I don't want to have to look at that.
01:05:13.000So I understand that someone who's been through something like this saying it's the hardest thing that they've been through, they've lived a very charmed life.
01:05:19.000This has absolutely been the hardest thing that I've ever experienced.
01:05:23.000And I try to be honest, as honest as I can with you, these last two years have been some of the hardest of my life.
01:05:29.000And this is the hardest thing I've been through.
01:06:17.000Someone will take that and turn it into a meme of a p***y. I don't, you know what?
01:06:19.000I'll walk away from this before I ever actually have to feel ashamed of the fact that I'm emotional over the fact, emotional over losing...
01:07:29.000Couldn't have a talk when I grew up because I was raised in an apartment.
01:07:31.000A little three-bedroom on Reed Street on the south shore of Montreal.
01:07:35.000You can run a search on that right now and see the silver spoon with which I was raised.
01:07:41.000Once I'd been married for a couple of years, I decided that I was going to fulfill a dream.
01:07:48.000And see, at this point in time, I should clarify, I'd parted ways with Fox News, I'd sold some script rights, I was getting burnt out with stand-up, I was in western Michigan, Kind of floundering.
01:08:15.000I was depressed, and I've talked about this before.
01:08:17.000My wife didn't fully know how depressed I was, because I'd be up Before her in the morning, and I'd be off to the gym before she left for work.
01:08:27.000And after the gym, I didn't know where I was headed.
01:08:30.000In my life, I didn't know where I was headed.
01:08:31.000I just knew that I had to keep moving.
01:08:33.000But I decided that it was the right time to fulfill a lifelong dream.
01:08:38.000I wanted my whole life, I wanted to have a dog.
01:08:40.000Again, I know it sounds silly, but when you're a kid and all you want is a dog and you cannot have a dog, it's a big deal.
01:08:45.000So around Christmas time, five years ago, six years ago, I started looking on Petfinder.
01:08:51.000And I actually became a volunteer at a local non-kill shelter, which required a certain level of training to even begin with.
01:08:56.000I had the books, I watched the training videos.
01:08:59.000and I was going to be the best dog owner ever.
01:09:01.000Hopper popped up on Pet Finder, and I remember the lady bringing him to our house,
01:09:04.000and he was so nuts that first time I met him with energy because he'd been in a crate for so long.
01:09:08.000And by the way, I want to make sure no one thinks that this, she was not abusing the dog.
01:09:11.000She ran a rescue with her best friend, and she lost her best friend to cancer.
01:09:37.000Anyway, that's what I was talking about She had a friend who ran it with her and not a shelter a rescue So they ran it out of their house, but her friend died cancer.
01:09:45.000And so she was overwhelmed and And she had to crate a lot of the dogs, because not all dogs get along.
01:09:49.000And Hopper had always been a people dog.
01:11:53.000He got into the trash every now and then.
01:11:55.000That's because my wife left a Slim Jim on the top of the trash at one point, and it was open, and so he just thought, oh, the trash is a place I go for Slim Jims.
01:12:03.000If it's on the top, you just pull a Costanza.
01:12:04.000But it is funny because When I heard what the doctor said, I really could remember everything.
01:12:12.000It's one of those things where people say your life flashes before your eyes, but when you're about to lose something really important, everything that's important about that person, that thing, floods every part of your brain.
01:12:24.000Things that I didn't even know were in there, from how I used to sleep on the bed next to my desk in our den.
01:12:31.000Back when we did the show, and it was in a den, he was right next to my desk every single day.
01:12:37.000I used to ram his head if the door was closed, just boom!
01:12:42.000And I remember serving him sardines on the old front porch and trying to eat them myself and almost throwing up.
01:12:48.000I remember teaching him to sit, to stay.
01:12:50.000And I remember taking him out to run out by the old East Grand Rapids High School track, taking him up north for the first time.
01:12:59.000And particularly I remember that second night, after the first night with the crate, I remember him just falling asleep in my wife's arms on the futon like he'd known her his whole life.
01:13:06.000And he's done it ever since, every single night.
01:13:10.000And I had to be on a schedule for Hopper.
01:13:13.000I had to live for something else who was completely dependent on me.
01:13:16.000And that's why I think this is so hard, because he can't tell us, you know, that he's in pain.
01:13:21.000You have to make a decision out of wanting to avoid cruelty, and sometimes you have to make a decision that is to end the life of someone or something you care so much about.
01:13:30.000But at this point, I remember, it gave me a purpose.
01:14:22.000Listen, it doesn't come from having to prove myself.
01:14:24.000It comes from loving my wife, from trying to provide for my wife, from wanting to burden that pain of my wife, because we're called to do that.
01:14:30.000As men, as Christians, as believers in God, yet believers in Christ, it's really painful, not just losing your best friend, but knowing how much pain your wife is in.
01:14:39.000and there's nothing you can do. Some people get some great gifts in their lives,
01:14:53.000You know, everyone always says their dog is special.
01:14:56.000And I'm sure that's true to an extent.
01:14:58.000But believe me, when I say that Hopper really is special, he changed lives.
01:15:03.000And I see people like, oh, I miss my dog, and it's just a dog that's, you know, crapping around the house, and they have no relationship with, there's no peace in the house.
01:15:58.000And he's, by the way, I shouldn't say he was, he is.
01:16:00.000Such a calm dog, and such a loving dog, that he would change people's hearts and views on dogs.
01:16:05.000He had a gift, genuinely, of melting away fear.
01:16:09.000And they wanted to make him a therapy dog, until we found out that he didn't like sunglasses.
01:16:12.000If you were wearing sunglasses, he might mess you up!
01:16:15.000So thank God we didn't make him a therapy dog, but that's why.
01:16:18.000And going through this, and it being the most painful thing I've experienced, I'm ashamed to say that at one point, I actually just thought, when this was just happening, and there was this blinding pain, the worst part was not knowing what was happening, right?
01:16:30.000That's what's sometimes worse, is the anticipation of what actually happens.
01:16:35.000Not knowing the answer, whether it was the aggressive cancer, or whether it was a slow-moving cancer.
01:16:38.000At one point, I actually just thought of wanting to have Betty, our new puppy, adopted.
01:16:44.000Not because I don't love Betty, but because I thought, I just can never go through this again.
01:16:49.000I thought, I'll do anything to avoid this kind of pain again, at all costs.
01:16:54.000And then I I realized how stupid and ungrateful I was.
01:16:59.000I probably never felt more ashamed of myself in my life that I was taking a gift that I'd prayed for my whole life, all my childhood, and I was spitting on it.
01:17:52.000I've talked about it before, it's nothing new, but genuinely, be grateful.
01:17:58.000And something else, too, I noticed we were... sometimes you're really praying and begging for something more than you'll have gratitude for when you actually get what you ask for.
01:18:10.000Because when we were praying, please, please, we just don't want this to be aggressive cancer, and then they told us it probably wasn't.
01:18:16.000We said, wow, we really, really need to be thankful here.
01:18:18.000Now then, that was taken away from us because it turned out that it was.
01:18:28.000But sometimes you pray for miracles and then don't believe that they'll happen.
01:18:34.000And I also noticed that pain doesn't, we used to say misery loves company.
01:18:38.000I don't think it's that so much as pain doesn't love to be alone.
01:18:41.000We were at the vet and when we got that good news at the oncologist, I remember there was a lady there with her dog, Leah, who had mesothelioma and wasn't doing so well.
01:18:50.000And we told her about Hopper and we went in and that was at the point when they gave us better news.
01:18:54.000And we came out and She said, yeah, what, and she seemed upset.