Jimmy Norton joins Jemele to talk about Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Plus, the return of the Pundit Pundundit and a new addition to the show's production team. Guests: Comedian Jimmy Norton ( ) and Political Commentator Garrett Jones ( ) Special Guest: Democratic Presidential Candidate Elizabeth Warren ( )
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00:06:14.000Let me ask you this before we move on.
00:06:16.000Regardless of what you think regarding her policy, or any of the policies, I guess, from the people who remain in the DNC field, who do you view as a more honest, genuine candidate?
00:08:08.000Leading the news, of course, for those who haven't been following, Vince Vaughn was seen with Donald Trump at a college football national championship.
00:09:23.000Listen, I understand that you want to be at the top of the ticket, but I think, and I understand that that's okay to you, but it's not okay to me, but it's okay to you, but maybe it's not okay.
00:09:31.000Listen, I understand you have some great ideas, kid, let's put that in the back pocket and go on down, make some bad decisions, maybe they're good decisions, okay?
00:09:55.000And by the way, with only a few weeks to go before the Iowa caucus, you know, I don't know if you've been seeing this, things are starting to really heat up.
00:10:01.000We'll be discussing more about Warren and Bernie in a little bit, though it appears that it was the Sanders campaign that fired the first shot.
00:12:39.000He has all of the powers in the world, except around Kryptonite, which is from his home planet, so apparently everyone on Krypton just acts like they have AIDS.
00:13:38.000It comes after the couple's bombshell announcement that they wanted to step back from their roles as senior members of the royal family.
00:13:44.000And the Queen said that she is relieved to finally be rid of this black stain on the House of Windsor so that they can get back to doing what they do best, horrific inbreeding.
00:14:47.000Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, he said that taxpayers may or may not have to fund their security detail, though the Prime Minister feels that most Canadians would be supportive, he says.
00:14:57.000And that's because most Canadians Justin Trudeau speaks with are pussies.
00:15:04.000I thought that was because they liked people in blackface.
00:15:06.000That as well, but I was quoting page six.
00:16:26.000And by the way, many, of course, are still reeling from the Hanukkah tragedy, the stabbing from over the break for which the suspect has been charged now with six counts of attempted murder.
00:16:36.000And in an update, the suspect said that he is still hopeful, but that after murdering a bunch of Jews, it's hard to find a good lawyer.
00:21:28.000We'll cover the debates once it's down to the top three, and I do think we're going to be doing another Oscar stream this year, so tell us what costumes you want to see.
00:21:35.000We're down to only 1,800 left, I believe, in the field.
00:23:25.000Okay, let's give you some context here.
00:23:26.000Lie number five, and this is a big one.
00:23:29.000The lie that Elizabeth Warren perpetuated out there, that Bernie, Senator Sanders, said that a woman couldn't win the presidency.
00:23:35.000For people out there who don't know, I think most of you do at this point, there was a story that went out, and I remember, I was sort of not reading a ton of news Christmas through New Year's, and so I was coming back in.
00:23:44.000I understand what it's like for you guys.
00:25:31.000After the debate, Elizabeth Warren confronted Bernie, and this seems so staged, because CNN recorded it, but they had the right camera angle and the mic still going, and then they aired this footage.
00:26:21.000Think of that rule according to Warren.
00:26:23.000You know, they just made up something that's an indictment on someone's character, and when he corrects the record, he's accusing her of being a liar.
00:26:30.000It'd be like me saying, hey, Gerald, remember when you said that you were a rapist?
00:26:36.000And you say, no, that's not really true.
00:26:56.000And not all women, that's not an intrinsic characteristic, just Pocahontas.
00:27:03.000And of course, again, he claims that he's never said that.
00:27:05.000I believe him, lest you think that I have no reason or context to believe that Bernie Sanders has a track record of saying that a woman could be president.
00:27:15.000The real issue is not whether you're black or white, whether you're a woman or a man.
00:27:19.000In my view, a woman could be elected president of the United States.
00:27:22.000The real issue is, whose side are you on?
00:27:26.000Again, I don't like Bernie Sanders, but I do appreciate truth.
00:27:30.000Can we say right things like a woman can become president?
00:27:33.000And also he looks like the scientist in a weird Nickelodeon show that should be for a kid like, IT'LL GO THROUGH EVAPORATION!
00:28:24.000You'll get a t-shirt, but it's not binding.
00:28:26.000And by the way, this is something else that really bothered me with the Elizabeth Warren.
00:28:30.000After this, some people were coming out accusing Bernie Sanders of being as bad as the Me Too Rapist crowd, the Rapist Defender crowd.
00:28:39.000So a prolific and well-respected journalist, and I hate this because sometimes you'll get this on, even on CNN or shows like The Young Turks or like Trevor Noah, people and they bring up a tweet from some random person.
00:28:49.000It's like, that's an egg with two followers and it's just two other eggs!
00:28:54.000It wouldn't even be half of a half carton of eggs!
00:28:58.000So this journalist writes for Place Washington Post, New York Times, GQ, Gentleman's Quarterly for the uninitiated, Julia Loft.
00:29:06.000She tweeted, I want to make sure I get it correct, still thinking about the Warren-Bernie squabble and I have a question to people who have accused Warren of lying.
00:29:13.000Isn't the lesson of hashtag me too in the last few years that we believe women and don't call them liars?
00:29:21.000I thought the lesson, which, by the way, was ill-founded, was that we always believe women who make accusations of rape, and I don't believe that.
00:29:28.000But now you're saying we have to believe all women on everything?
00:30:23.000That an angry feminist is writing for Gentle, hey, what's in this week's edition, month's edition of GQ, is it how to wear suits, how to pull off a skinny tie?
00:30:32.000No wait, men are pieces of shit, pieces of shit, pieces of shit, pieces of shit.
00:31:18.000About two months later, when I was visibly pregnant, about six months along, the principal called me in and said that he wished me luck, but he'd be more comfortable having someone else in that job, and he was going to hire someone else for the job.
00:31:40.000A component of that may be true in that I, too, would be comfortable hiring someone else, but it has nothing to do with the fact that you are with child.
00:31:50.000I, too, would be more comfortable with anyone else, and it has nothing to do with your miracle of creating life.
00:31:56.000Anyway, did you notice when you watched that, she didn't get the memo on how to lie.
00:32:01.000She was claiming that she was fired from a teaching job for being pregnant.
00:32:04.000The first thing they ever do, like if you go Google signs that someone is lying, and this is very rudimentary, and it's not often true, and it's very easy to beat this, right, if you're a liar.
00:32:58.000By the way, is there some kind of liability there, Half-Asian Bill, if someone says, I was fired for being pregnant, and there's proof that that's not the case?
00:33:05.000Well, I mean, it gets to a kind of a common claim, such as defamation, right?
00:33:08.000You're saying this school district, this individual, did something wrong.
00:33:42.000It's like one of those rain sticks that you would get at, what is it, like, Rainforest Cafe or you go to the science place right next to the snake that kind of acted like a real snake.
00:36:11.000She claimed that her children attended public schools.
00:36:14.000There needs to be a little bit of context here.
00:36:16.000A woman told Elizabeth Warren that their children had different opportunities because Warren's children probably went to private schools, and Elizabeth Warren immediately corrected her, saying that they attended public schools.
00:36:27.000Okay, now that seems pretty cut and dry.
00:36:43.000I don't know how many books are on John Edwards.
00:36:44.000It seems to me once you get to the point where he's making a sex tape with a pregnant lady while his wife has cancer in the hospital, you close the book and go, oh, he's the villain.
00:37:51.000So her kids did go to public school for like a semester.
00:37:55.000I couldn't find out how long, but for the majority of their school careers, they went to private schools with tuitions ranging from $17,000 to $40,000 a year.
00:39:16.000Elizabeth Warren claimed that college wasn't affordable in her day and that her parents couldn't afford a college application, let alone putting her through college.
00:39:24.000By the time I graduated from high school, my folks couldn't afford a college application.
00:39:29.000Much less to send me off to four years at a university.
00:39:32.000So like a lot of Americans, I don't have a straight pants story.
00:39:35.000Did she say I don't have a straight pants story?
00:40:56.000Dropped out of college to get married.
00:40:57.000Ended up going to another public college for $50 a semester, which she herself tweeted out, I want to make sure I get this right, so I go to my non-prompter.
00:41:06.000I got my degree thanks to a quality public college where tuition was just $50 a semester.
00:41:12.000That kind of opportunity doesn't exist for students today.
00:41:16.000Again, I don't care that she got a scholarship.
00:41:20.000I don't care that she went to a community college.
00:41:23.000I think that's actually a good point, that $50 a semester, there's a way to make certain colleges affordable.
00:41:27.000But the problem is, we have two contradicting narratives here.
00:41:30.000First, you have the one where she was a poor child.
00:41:32.000She was just a poor black child who couldn't afford college.
00:41:35.000Then you have the second, that it was so easy in her day to go to college because it was so cheap, as opposed to today.
00:41:41.000And it depends on who she's talking to and what bill of goods she needs to sell, and that's what bothers me.
00:41:45.000Yeah, and how foolish would it be if you're so poor that your parents can't pay for the application fee and you are blessed with a scholarship that you then drop out and run away from that scholarship to just run off and get married.
00:41:55.000You can't get married and stay in school and try to make a better life for your kids.
00:43:51.000She's not the DNA test that she took to prove, which is remarkable to me, this just shows you the ego on these people.
00:43:56.000Like, someone should have advised her this was a bad idea.
00:43:58.000She took a DNA test to prove that she was Indian, her words, not mine, and it actually showed that she may have less Indian blood than your average non-Indian American.
00:44:46.000The percentage is entirely comparable.
00:44:49.000Here's what's really sinister about it, though.
00:44:51.000Not that someone lied about their heritage.
00:44:53.000That's kind of crappy, but you know, maybe you do it at dinner parties to make yourself interesting once the conversation has sort of reached its end with the reverse aging gimmick.
00:48:50.000It's just a Jewish accountant named Todd.
00:48:53.000And then he'll demean it, you know, like Donald Trump may have been a good athlete in school, but he goes, I was the best athlete in school, okay?
00:49:47.000When people out there, when you read, you look at Vox, you look at BuzzFeed, you look at Salon, you look at CNN, and they say, your race, your gender, it is your identity.
00:54:09.000I think actually when we did the Tulsi Gabbard video where we looked at the search results, we used ExpressVPN on some of our search results to try different locations.
00:54:18.000Not only are they reliable, not only is their service better than the others out there if you compare it to a cost-reward ratio, but they didn't have a security breach And not tell you for a year, as has happened with some competing VPNs.
00:54:32.000You can do your own research, lest I get sued.
00:55:46.000It's like it's a couple of syllables and it feels right and it's got a hard sound at the beginning and it's really deconstructing like anyone who thinks they're hip if you're just like oh you're a cornball it's like ah there's no rebounding from being a cornball.
00:55:59.000Yeah I suppose I guess as a comedian that sort of matters because you want to be hip in the nightclubs with the kids and if someone says you're a cornball you're like well okay then I'm not going to be the next Dane Cook.
00:56:18.000Black guys calling you corny was the harshest thing because you want to just be like a white guy who's accepted by black guys and thought of as cool or at least thought of as not corny.
00:56:42.000Did you ever think that you were going to be in the film nominated and arguably the favorite, or at least certainly up there for best picture for Academy Award?
00:56:53.000No, it's so funny, man, like to be involved with that at all.
00:56:57.000The fact that I made the fight, I didn't know I made the cut until the night before I was at the Comedy Cellar and Ray Romano came in and he said, Hey, great job in the movie.
00:57:05.000And I'm like, I, cause I was trying to get tickets to the premiere and I was like, they're not getting me tickets.
00:57:42.000So I didn't know if it was a critical enough scene to make it into a movie that was cut from four hours to 3.30.
00:57:48.000I'm like, if they have to cut five more minutes for whatever reason, that's probably not a critical scene as much as some of the other stuff they're doing with Pacino.
00:58:56.000The pressure I felt was, because I've been compared to him my whole career, but it's more about the voice and the shape of the face, because I like Rickles.
01:00:10.000I mean, uh, I had a bunch of extra jokes that I just kind of like old Rickles ones that I brought just so the audience wouldn't get bored because it was scripted.
01:00:18.000So I was all these other ones when Chris Corsage went, all right, just start doing lines.
01:00:47.000I was discussing this with someone saying, you know, Quentin Tarantino doesn't really use the same actors a whole lot, except for, like, Kurt Russell.
01:00:57.000Scorsese kind of has his regular crew.
01:00:58.000And I will say this, if you see, like, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, brilliant actors, but if you watch them in interviews, they seem sometimes, like a lot of actors, a little uncomfortable in their skin.
01:01:07.000They're not necessarily the quickest to the punch.
01:01:10.000In an interview, they're a little more introspective.
01:01:12.000So I've always wondered how much of it is really sticking to the script versus giving you some room to play.
01:01:27.000But I've done a couple of small things, like De Niro opened my special, where he introduces me, and I wrote that, and I actually directed him in that, where he goes, what do you want me to do?
01:01:37.000And me and him sat down, his assistants cleared the room, and they're like, Jim and Bob will talk.
01:03:44.000A couple of things I wanted to ask you about, but I wanted to get something a little personal in my experience with your content recently and my friend who hadn't heard a lot of your material.
01:04:29.000Like, he was, first of all, smart enough to talk to the people at home who are not celebrity leads.
01:04:34.000Uh, Ricky didn't need to do that type of monologue.
01:04:37.000He could have been playful and friendly, but his jokes were funny, and he called them out the way a comedian would call out an audience member.
01:06:29.000But, you know, if you're a comedian and you don't tell a joke that somehow completely backs up somebody's ideology, you're a terrible comedian who's doing it wrong.
01:06:55.000That being said, I will acknowledge that I'm somewhat hypocritical and that I think your primary function, obviously, as a comedian, or as an actor, is to entertain.
01:07:03.000And I do think at the end of that, He was off book, and some of those things weren't necessarily punchlines.
01:07:09.000It was just, you know what, because you reacted this way, I'm going to dig the knife in a little bit and get off stage.
01:07:13.000But I appreciated it because I felt like it was appropriate.
01:07:16.000Because the only people who were having fun at that, it seemed like, was it Ray Romano and Adam Driver, were the only ones who were genuinely enjoying it.
01:07:23.000Wouldn't you, if you're an actor and your name pops up, you know, if you know that your name is going to leave Ricky Gervais' lips, if you hate it, still just kind of, oh, that's good.
01:07:31.000And then call your agent and have him never work again.
01:07:34.000Dude, I would I this is why I love him so much because I'm such a I'm such a coward Kim like literally he looks at Who's the guy from Apple Tim Cook and he makes fun of the sweatshops and he calls them out While he's sitting in the room, I would be so like I love Apple could I have a MacBook like I'm such a I admired his ability to do it right to their faces.
01:07:57.000He probably did turn the night, but that Weinstein joke was great.
01:08:00.000And then instead of like, they did what some other dumb audience would do.
01:08:03.000They were like, oh, I said, what are you groaning at?
01:08:39.000Yeah, I really enjoyed it, and we'll go to a web extension here, but I really liked Dave Chappelle's Mark Twain Prize acceptance speech, too, because that was, he wasn't preaching at all, but he did get up and sort of talk about the importance of comedy, and it really was apolitical in saying every single point of view is represented in comedy.
01:08:58.000Correct me if I'm wrong, I feel almost like he was saying, hey, every single point of view should continue to be represented in comedy.
01:09:05.000I felt like that was the point he was making a little bit, because we've seen people get canceled now, even in stand-up clubs it happens.
01:09:12.000Well, Dave is so, I mean, he's such a smart guy.
01:09:14.000I mean, he's a great comic because he's such a brilliant guy.
01:09:17.000And the fact that he was able to say it as, like, it was a beautifully packaged, If I had to say something about comedy in today's culture, I would just want to kind of write down what Dave said and repeat it.
01:09:29.000The way he said it was so beautiful and smart and it covered everything, but like you said, it wasn't preachy, it wasn't over the top, and it wasn't even confrontational.
01:11:55.000I've got my wife, and Wade's got his wife, and Brendan has a sister, and that's kinda weird, but listen, he's from Arkansas!
01:12:03.000Brendan, I don't know what you do with your sister, maybe it's the on-again-off-again definition of it, but the point is, this guy has it worse than anyone else, because he's gonna be out here fighting and then go back just to be chased down with some German shepherds and a firehouse and a pizza parlor!
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01:15:12.000But one thing I think, we look at the depression epidemic in the country, and people consider it an epidemic, right?
01:15:19.000The mental health issues in this country.
01:15:21.000It is a little bizarre when you think.
01:15:24.000And I was wondering about this, I was talking with a relative over Christmas break, and that's what sort of forced me to ponder, if I may use the phrase.
01:15:32.000Or you can kick my ass for using it, I know.
01:15:34.000Only douches use the word ponder and lovely.
01:15:37.000I've never heard someone use the term lovely unless they were trying to lie about something.
01:15:41.000Well, unless this fruitcake is lovely.
01:15:45.000But it did force me to think about this a little bit.
01:15:47.000You know, we have what we refer to as a depression, as a mental health, as a hopelessness epidemic in this country with young people.
01:15:54.000And I'm not talking about people who have clinical depression or a chemical imbalance, and I don't want to get into that.
01:15:59.000That's kind of a number of people that have, it's been relatively stable.
01:16:03.000But people, when polled, young people who have a feeling of hopelessness and believe that their opportunities will be fewer than their parents.
01:16:11.000This is the first generation to feel that way.
01:16:14.000And it's bizarre that they feel that way when we live in the most marvelous time throughout all of humanity.
01:16:22.000We have more tools and resources at our disposal, and people are depressed, or they're looking at the world as bleak.
01:16:29.000And this comes from a simple concept, and I'm not saying anything new necessarily.
01:16:34.000I'm sure Jordan Peterson has talked about this, and people like Jaco Willink who've been on the show.
01:16:37.000I'm sure I've talked about this at some point.
01:16:39.000All satisfaction, all accomplishment, all pleasure comes from pain.
01:16:46.000And so I don't think we have a problem in this country of people who are in too much pain.
01:16:50.000I think we have a problem right now, not in this country, but across the globe, of people who don't experience enough pain.
01:16:57.000And that's why they don't experience the elation.
01:17:00.000It's why they don't experience the bliss of overcoming pain.
01:17:03.000Let me explain it to you a little bit.
01:17:04.000Let me give you a little bit of context.
01:18:30.000How many of you out there, and there's nothing wrong with this, I'm guilty of this sometimes on the weekend, how many of you have just had a comfortable pajama day where you lay around and do nothing?
01:18:39.000Sometimes you may not even shower on those days.
01:18:43.000I don't know what it is, but men, in my experience, tend to be more meticulous about showering and women can get away with it because they don't smell the same way men do after one day.
01:18:51.000Anyway, these are things that you learn when you're married.
01:19:34.000If you find yourself maybe looking at a bleak life or what you see as a hopeless outcome, a lot of people think, okay, I've got to find a way to make myself comfortable.
01:19:53.000And that's hard for a lot of people, contrary to popular belief.
01:19:55.000Again, nearly all of the problems that are considered an epidemic today are not, in the United States anyway, let's separate that from third world countries, they're not the result of lack.
01:20:22.000But the most prominent theme that we hear is about the income gap.
01:20:29.000It's about the chasm, because poverty in the Western world is lower than ever.
01:20:33.000And by the way, it's lower than ever, with a standard of living for those in poverty higher than that of rich people from any other generation, of sultans.
01:20:43.000In most cases, a higher standard than royalty of people from previous generations.
01:20:47.000So we hear the epidemic is the wealth gap.
01:20:49.000Poverty is lower than ever, but now we have an epidemic that there are some people who have so much more than other people.
01:20:54.000The problem there is not a lack of resources.
01:20:57.000The problem stems from an overabundance of resources and a lack of appreciation.
01:21:03.000The poor have more than enough resources, and people won't like this here, but the poor in the United States, generally, have more than enough resources to live comfortably.
01:21:13.000And then the wealthy have more than enough resources to build and accrue even more wealth, and so that gap increases.
01:21:20.000The poor in the United States are generally not starving.
01:21:23.000They generally aren't cold without heat.
01:21:26.000They're generally not sick and cast aside for dead as they used to be, and I'm talking only a couple hundred years ago.
01:21:33.000They often have two cars, three square meals plus snacks, often bought at restaurants, a climate-controlled house, access to technology that Simon Cowell couldn't imagine 18 years ago.
01:22:37.000Not only do they have more food than they need, but they are required, people in this country, to work less than anyone in history to procure it.
01:22:50.000They don't have to skin it, cure it, cut it or cook it.
01:22:53.000People in this country, not all, I know some of you are going to say it's glandular, I get it, but a lot of people are obese because when they're hungry, the food is there.
01:23:03.000And they need accomplish nothing for it.
01:23:06.000And they're obese because, when they're not hungry, the food is there.
01:24:09.000Because constant comfort cannot, it is incapable of breeding true happiness.
01:24:16.000For the same reason that the meal is never satisfying for someone who's always full, and that shower, it can never be that bliss, that nirvana-like state for the person who never sweat and bled and earned it, Let's go to healthcare.
01:24:31.000This is another one all the time because this is just in doing research, watching the Democratic debates.
01:24:35.000We have a healthcare epidemic in the United States.
01:24:43.000How is there a healthcare crisis in 2019, 2020, I have to get used to writing down 2020, I'm still writing 2019.
01:24:49.000How is there a health crisis in the nation that has cured more diseases than any to have come before it, bar none, not even close, has more technology, medical innovation than any other country in the history of the world, has the highest survival rate of life-threatening diseases?
01:25:06.000How is it in the throes of healthcare crisis?
01:25:10.000Oh, what it stems from is people having better health care than anyone on the planet 50 years ago, but not as good as the next guy.
01:25:21.000I want you to understand, and this is something that's tough, because, and you see this a lot, if you were raised in wealth, you know, this idea of a silver spoon.
01:25:27.000We hear this quite a bit, and I've seen that.
01:25:30.000I've seen wealthy kids who never appreciated what they had, but I've also seen poor kids.
01:27:05.000So, I remember the dad telling me how excited he was, and showing it to me, and it had this like matte black finish, which now you see on cars, which is just god-awful, but I remember it really clearly, going, man, she's gonna love that.
01:28:00.000So you can have wealthy people whose parents take them to Tijuana to make them appreciate what they have, and you can have people who live in lower middle class or poor households who never, ever learn to appreciate it.
01:28:13.000It stems from putting yourself in positions of discomfort.
01:28:38.000I want you to go through this more specifically.
01:28:41.000Do a deep dive kind of right now in your heart and your soul.
01:28:44.000Think about what it is that, especially if you're out there and you're feeling hopeless or depressed or lost.
01:28:50.000I want you to think about what it is that maybe you take for granted that you enjoy on a day-to-day basis that wouldn't even have been available to your father, to your mother, certainly not your grandfather.
01:29:03.000I want you to think about what it is on a day-to-day basis.
01:29:24.000Are you able to, even if you're not a good student, make up for those grades and go to a community college?
01:29:28.000Hey, are you lucky enough to not be drafted into some of the deadliest wars of all time?
01:29:33.000I want you to look at the, because by the way, this was commonplace, everything that I just named, not long ago in the realm of human history.
01:29:40.000I want you to take inventory and then, take a second, I want you to find a way to make yourself as uncomfortable as humanly possible on a day-to-day basis.
01:29:51.000That's why I've talked about this for particularly men.
01:30:06.000Because you need to feel discomfort on a day-to-day basis so you can taste Victory.
01:30:14.000So I want you to find ways to make sure that you don't go through the next week or the next month or 2020 taking it for granted because you're really nothing more than a fat cat on a pillow with someone feeding them grapes.
01:30:27.000And by the way, hey, there's another one!
01:30:33.000That wasn't doable if you were on the East Coast 100 years ago!
01:30:37.000Your grandfather was lucky if he got an orange in his stocking.
01:30:41.000And if his dad was a real dick, he got coal.
01:30:45.000So I want you to take inventory and let me know, how are you going to make yourself uncomfortable so that you can actually find true happiness?