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00:04:28.000 I will be devastated if that happens because you are my idol.

00:04:36.000 We have on the show today, we have Ben Shapiro.

00:04:38.000 Great gentleman, very Jewish.

00:04:40.000 We'll be talking about student loans.

00:04:42.000 Quick announcement, there will be no live show next Thursday.

00:04:44.000 Does everyone know why?

00:04:45.000 Yeah.

00:04:46.000 Boom.

00:04:46.000 It is going to be our annual live Oscar stream party.

00:04:49.000 That is February 9th on Sunday, 7.45 p.m.

00:04:49.000 Yes!

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00:04:53.000 Please don't strike us.

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00:04:55.000 Or as we, I refer to it, hurricane time zone.

00:04:57.000 Yes, exactly.

00:04:58.000 So, we're in tornado time zone.

00:05:00.000 You're in hurricane time zone.

00:05:02.000 We have on the program, of course, my half-Asian lawyer, Bill Richman.

00:05:05.000 How are you guys?

00:05:05.000 Hey, guys.

00:05:05.000 Great.

00:05:05.000 Glad to be here.

00:05:06.000 Well, that was very uninteresting.

00:05:08.000 How are you there, quarter black hair? 0.99

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00:05:10.000 I just saw the flip of the pen and eyes the white of the eyes go He's only a quarter G Morgan a what's the one of the day? 0.85

00:05:16.000 We've got immortal immortal cabernet like immortal technique. 0.61

00:05:19.000 I just saw the flip of the pen and eyes, the white of the eyes go,

00:05:23.000 he's only a quarter.

00:05:27.000 Um, G Morgan, a what's the one of the day?

00:05:29.000 Uh, we've got immortal, immortal, immortal technique.

00:05:34.000 Yeah.

00:05:35.000 Wonderful underground rap.

00:05:36.000 Oh, I see that my underground hip hop references are lost on me.

00:05:41.000 I'm the apologetics professor.

00:05:43.000 Do you support the idea of forgiving all student debt?

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00:05:46.000 No.

00:05:47.000 Do you support the idea of forgiving all student debt?

00:05:49.000 No.

00:05:50.000 Why or why not?

00:05:52.000 Don't! 0.57

00:05:54.000 Leading the witness, your honor!

00:05:54.000 Don't answer!

00:05:55.000 Jeez.

00:05:56.000 Lawyer.

00:05:57.000 Objection.

00:05:58.000 Sustained.

00:05:59.000 Why or why not?

00:06:00.000 OK, why do you support it?

00:06:01.000 And then ultimately, who do you think pays the bill?

00:06:04.000 If we forgive all student debt, is there an actual victim in the equation?

00:06:07.000 Who could it be?

00:06:08.000 This whole idea of victim culture sometimes creates actual unintended victims.

00:06:08.000 We've talked about this a lot.

00:06:12.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:06:14.000 But first, now is the time on Ladder with Crowder where we dance.

00:06:17.000 Oh. 0.99

00:06:33.000 I wish I loved anything as much as he loves being a sex criminal. 1.00

00:06:37.000 What the hell are we watching? 0.99

00:06:39.000 You signed up for the ride anyway.

00:06:42.000 You saw the ride and purchased a ticket.

00:06:45.000 Gerald, you don't like the video of yourself?

00:06:47.000 This must be private!

00:06:48.000 Let's wait.

00:06:49.000 We have to lull him into a state of complacency, then embarrass him on national broadcast.

00:06:54.000 Leading the news before that, Hillary Clinton has admitted that she now feels, quote, the urge to run against President Trump again.

00:07:02.000 Adding that she thinks she can win because, quote, the 2016 election was a really odd time.

00:07:06.000 Also having the urge for her to run again, Donald Trump, pretty much.

00:07:09.000 Yes!

00:07:12.000 Actually, upon hearing the story, President Trump decided to include his thoughts when drafting up his upcoming State of the Union.

00:07:20.000 And that is where you can stick your articles of impeachment. 0.98

00:07:24.000 As for my opponents, frankly, so many losers. 0.97

00:07:28.000 On the bright side, at least I don't have to run against Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:07:33.000 If she were to join the race now, truthfully, there is no way I would kick her ass into the next dimension. 1.00

00:07:38.000 There's no way. 0.99

00:07:39.000 It would be a nightmare for Hillary Clinton to throw her hat into the rig. 1.00

00:07:44.000 For 2020.

00:07:45.000 It would be the single worst thing that could happen to me.

00:07:49.000 Also, I don't care what your mind says, folks. 0.99

00:07:52.000 She is not a rapidly aging, murderous crony slash angry, closeted lesbian. 0.99

00:08:01.000 Did Vice President Biden say that, though? 0.94

00:08:04.000 I feel like we need our intern to be a little less loose with the quotes.

00:08:04.000 I don't know.

00:08:08.000 A little reading between the lines, maybe.

00:08:10.000 More research, yes. 0.99

00:08:11.000 But when reached for official comment, Bill Clinton said, anything that gets the bitch out of the house. 1.00

00:08:17.000 And then he proceeded to have sex with women other than his wife. 1.00

00:08:21.000 It's just like a Tuesday for him. 0.93

00:08:23.000 All the greats have their calling cards.

00:08:25.000 Oh my gosh.

00:08:29.000 Hey, this was embarrassing.

00:08:30.000 And I know it happened at the beginning of the week.

00:08:32.000 We talked about it for those who weren't Mug Club members behind the paywall.

00:08:35.000 Some wonderful programming, by the way.

00:08:36.000 Going to Mug Club and Blaze here soon.

00:08:38.000 Why didn't anyone tell me that my hair was doing the Clark Kent flip?

00:08:38.000 Big announcements.

00:08:41.000 I'm so embarrassed.

00:08:42.000 I'm so ashamed of myself.

00:08:43.000 It looks exactly the same.

00:08:44.000 Anyway.

00:08:45.000 Well, thank you very much.

00:08:46.000 Just like your shirt.

00:08:47.000 Wait, is this a repeat?

00:08:48.000 It's not a repeat!

00:08:49.000 It's a different shirt! 0.99

00:08:50.000 Gerald is just a hobo. 0.98

00:08:51.000 That's true. 0.96

00:08:52.000 I have three shirts.

00:08:54.000 This was really embarrassing.

00:08:55.000 It happened earlier in the week, but there's a little more context here.

00:08:57.000 An MSNBC anchor, Allison Morris, claims that she said nakers and not the n-word while reporting on, and here's a clip, reporting on Kobe Bryant's death.

00:09:09.000 Yeah, it seems like he was just the kind of athlete, the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Lakers.

00:09:19.000 I heard she was trying to say Nixon and said Lakers, but no team has a G in their name.

00:09:25.000 I mean, yeah, the nuggets, but that doesn't apply here.

00:09:30.000 No one's talked about that!

00:09:31.000 You caught it!

00:09:32.000 And you're Asian!

00:09:33.000 I thought you dropped out of following basketball after Yao Ming just, you know, had his ACL.

00:09:37.000 I heard a K. Lynn Sanity, dude.

00:09:39.000 She took a pause, too.

00:09:40.000 I heard a K. I heard Nakers. 0.99

00:09:42.000 And it happened by, obviously, she claimed mixing Knicks and Lakers.

00:09:46.000 Now, on the surface, listen, this is an understandable mistake, though some have pointed to Allison's other slip-ups, from referring to them as the Toronto Rap Sheets to the Chicago Blackcocks, as well as the incident where she burned crosses on the lawns of every active member of the Detroit Pistons roster.

00:10:04.000 It's a fluff.

00:10:06.000 That one seems pretty cut and dry.

00:10:08.000 It's hard to deny.

00:10:10.000 It's a lot of evidence.

00:10:11.000 Just put it all together.

00:10:12.000 I don't know.

00:10:14.000 I give her a pass.

00:10:15.000 Oh, really?

00:10:16.000 At first when I saw it, when I reviewed that, I was like, no, no, it needs to be the MSNBC anchor, not pink.

00:10:23.000 You guys pulled the wrong picture.

00:10:25.000 Let me say this.

00:10:27.000 In the spirit of consistency, I think this woman made a mistake. 0.99

00:10:30.000 I don't think that she's a racist.

00:10:31.000 I don't think that we should crucify this woman. 0.99

00:10:34.000 But do you think that an apology if this happened on Fox News would be enough?

00:10:38.000 Of course not.

00:10:38.000 They'd be out for blood.

00:10:40.000 It happens.

00:10:40.000 But we don't want to live by that story.

00:10:41.000 We'd still be hearing about it.

00:10:43.000 In science news, let's talk about science.

00:10:45.000 Oh, good.

00:10:46.000 Cannabis, and right now the comment section just blew up.

00:10:48.000 Here we go!

00:10:50.000 Hold it.

00:10:51.000 So cannabis might actually just save global bee populations.

00:10:54.000 Oh, whatever.

00:10:54.000 This comes from the Leaf Desk.

00:10:56.000 I don't know if that's an actually peer-reviewed journal.

00:10:58.000 I don't think so.

00:10:59.000 Wait.

00:11:00.000 Is this like a blog?

00:11:01.000 I don't know.

00:11:02.000 Scientists believe hemp has a potential to provide a critical nutritional resource that could help reverse Our bee shortage, which led scientists to increase medical research in other fields.

00:11:14.000 And sadly, it actually proved to be unhelpful in researching bee allergies.

00:11:20.000 Let us pray in silence.

00:11:23.000 Get the man his glasses!

00:11:24.000 Tommy's change His face hurts and where is his glasses you can't see

00:11:30.000 without his glasses Put his glasses on

00:11:34.000 Get the man his glasses He's not gonna need them kid

00:11:41.000 Glasses The fourth time we've referenced that film that is taking

00:11:45.000 something that is incredibly painful as a child when you watch my girl

00:11:48.000 Yes, just reappropriating it so that you can laugh. It's like you know hip-hop artists do with the n-word

00:11:54.000 Yeah It's the light version of that we're reappropriating Gerald

00:11:59.000 said what in the world I'm not because I'll get No.

00:12:03.000 You just said it.

00:12:05.000 Lakers with an N at the beginning is what I said.

00:12:08.000 Oh, by the way, apparently the Grammys were on Sunday.

00:12:10.000 I didn't really pay attention to what we were prepping for the big Oscar stream next Sunday, February 9th.

00:12:15.000 The singer Chris Brown brought his five-year-old daughter with him.

00:12:18.000 So that was all over.

00:12:19.000 That's right.

00:12:20.000 And during the course of the whole evening, he only hit her once.

00:12:23.000 So you have to take the wins.

00:12:24.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:25.000 That's great.

00:12:26.000 That's lower than his average.

00:12:27.000 Progress.

00:12:28.000 Hey, you know what?

00:12:28.000 It's a downward trend.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, I'd like to see the CompuStrike from that limo ride.

00:12:33.000 They're like free boxing fans who get the CompuStrike reference.

00:12:39.000 Punches and bunches.

00:12:41.000 Just bob and weave, Chris.

00:12:44.000 In international news... He doesn't have the money for a limo.

00:12:46.000 This isn't going over well.

00:12:47.000 Let me move on.

00:12:48.000 Stop talking.

00:12:49.000 A Ugandan imam, he's actually been suspended from his duties as a cleric after his wife of two weeks turned out to be a man.

00:12:57.000 This comes from Daily Mail.

00:12:59.000 The wife was arrested for the theft of a television set and when a police officer carried out a body search found it wasn't actually a woman.

00:13:08.000 So some are speculating that this was All part of a big plot to embarrass the high-profile Imam

00:13:12.000 with some other people having chalked it up to just a simple mistake

00:13:15.000 Others are still circulating rumors that this was simply an elaborate plot to promote the new Wayans Brothers vehicle

00:13:20.000 Imam chicks So that seems most 1.00

00:13:24.000 Wow, that's not them He has the faces swapped.

00:13:28.000 Those are the wrong Wayans brothers.

00:13:31.000 Those are the other Wayans brothers.

00:13:33.000 Are they brothers Wayan?

00:13:35.000 They are.

00:13:35.000 That's all that matters.

00:13:36.000 They're brothers Wayan, not named Damon.

00:13:39.000 So they get Scary Movie 19.

00:13:42.000 Finally, there was a recent study actually that came out.

00:13:46.000 We thought this was interesting.

00:13:47.000 And by the way, a portion of this was written before news this week, which will be relevant when you see it.

00:13:50.000 I apologize.

00:13:52.000 I swear, we can show you the document that it was drafted three weeks ago, but we just couldn't pull it at this point.

00:13:58.000 Recent study claims that women are actually being held back in marketing, particularly the marketing field, by a persistent, pervasive sexism, the article says. 0.98

00:14:07.000 So sexism in the marketing field. 0.99

00:14:09.000 Listen, at first we were all a little bit skeptical, but having looked into it, they may be on to something.

00:14:19.000 Gentlemen, in this seminar you will learn everything you need to know about sales and marketing.

00:14:25.000 So, take notes, set aside all your Don Draper bulls**t, and listen closely.

00:14:32.000 Let's take a look at this logo. 0.97

00:14:34.000 Coca-Cola.

00:14:35.000 One of the most successful logos of all time.

00:14:39.000 Why do people love it?

00:14:41.000 Anyone?

00:14:42.000 Uh, the red and the white draws the eye.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, and I think, um, the cursive writing is classic, but it still feels fresh.

00:14:48.000 No, Carl.

00:14:49.000 And remarks like that are exactly why Julia left you. 1.00

00:14:53.000 Hey, hey, hey, look at me, look at me.

00:14:54.000 Hey.

00:14:56.000 It was your fault.

00:14:58.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:14:59.000 It was your fault.

00:15:02.000 Moving on. 1.00

00:15:04.000 People love this logo because it looks like a penis. 0.99

00:15:12.000 I believe it's clear now. 0.99

00:15:15.000 Let's take a look at another logo.

00:15:17.000 The Nike logo.

00:15:19.000 Famous.

00:15:19.000 Simple.

00:15:20.000 Sleek.

00:15:20.000 Yes.

00:15:21.000 It's a penis. 1.00

00:15:24.000 Next logo. 1.00

00:15:25.000 NASA.

00:15:26.000 Let's keep cycling through these.

00:15:28.000 The YMCA.

00:15:30.000 Toyota.

00:15:31.000 Lexus.

00:15:32.000 Amazon.

00:15:34.000 The NBA. 1.00

00:15:35.000 All penises. 0.99

00:15:37.000 The New England Patriots, Facebook, BuzzFeed, Motel 6, Audi, Puma, The Miami Heat, NBC. 0.99

00:15:44.000 There are several going here.

00:15:48.000 SpaceX.

00:15:49.000 Beats by Dre.

00:15:50.000 Oldsmobile.

00:15:51.000 Jaguar.

00:15:52.000 The Sci-Fi Channel.

00:15:53.000 Ferrari.

00:15:54.000 The E-Network.

00:15:55.000 The Royal Bank of Scotland. 1.00

00:15:56.000 You've got four penises. 1.00

00:15:58.000 St. 0.99

00:15:58.000 Louis Cardinals. 0.99

00:15:59.000 Gatorade.

00:16:00.000 Brooks Shoes.

00:16:01.000 VLC.

00:16:02.000 Saucony.

00:16:03.000 In-N-Out Burger.

00:16:04.000 Chili's. 0.99

00:16:05.000 The Washington Wizards.

00:16:06.000 PlayStation.

00:16:07.000 The old Reebok logo.

00:16:09.000 The Cleveland Cavaliers.

00:16:10.000 Asics. 0.66

00:16:11.000 Pontiac.

00:16:12.000 Arby's.

00:16:12.000 The Orlando Magic.

00:16:14.000 Volvo.

00:16:14.000 Tesla.

00:16:15.000 The Dish Network.

00:16:17.000 USB.

00:16:18.000 And finally, Kobe Bryant's signature Nikes. 0.98

00:16:24.000 Now, it should be clear that the link between all of these is that people want products because people want penises. 0.94

00:16:35.000 Do we have any questions? 0.89

00:16:39.000 Well, what about the Airbnb logo? 0.99

00:16:45.000 It kind of looks like a vagina. 1.00

00:16:49.000 We're talking about penises here, Carl. 1.00

00:16:51.000 Get your mind out of the gutter. 1.00

00:16:53.000 Disgusting. 1.00

00:16:56.000 You know... Carl. 0.99

00:16:58.000 He has a point.

00:16:59.000 Written before this week!

00:17:01.000 Yes.

00:17:02.000 Yes.

00:17:03.000 There were some people in the last few rounds here, like six people who worked, and we heard them go... Collective sigh.

00:17:10.000 I don't really care.

00:17:12.000 Alright, but you know what?

00:17:14.000 Some of those are a little bit of a reach.

00:17:16.000 Sure.

00:17:16.000 There's something to that, but the Cavaliers looks like aggressive penetration.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, the Wizards.

00:17:23.000 I saw that.

00:17:25.000 That's what amateur wrestlers call the oil check. 1.00

00:17:27.000 Look it up.

00:17:29.000 Don't look it up.

00:17:32.000 Go to Flow Wrestling and understand the terminology. 0.97

00:17:35.000 Only the Eastern Bloc competitors do it because they're cowardly. 0.85

00:17:42.000 So let's talk about student loans.

00:17:46.000 I know a lot of people were Bernie supporters and now kind of Trump supporters because you're anti-establishment.

00:17:50.000 I understand that.

00:17:51.000 We want you around.

00:17:52.000 But a lot of them still support this idea of forgiving all student loans.

00:17:56.000 And I understand why it sounds good on its surface.

00:17:57.000 I would like to hear your opinions before you watch this segment, and then let me know if it maybe changed at all.

00:18:01.000 Let's start with this.

00:18:02.000 Elizabeth Warren was recently questioned by a dad regarding student loans and having put his daughter through college.

00:18:09.000 I just want to ask one question.

00:18:10.000 My daughter's getting out of school.

00:18:12.000 I've saved all my money.

00:18:13.000 She doesn't have any school money. 0.96

00:18:15.000 Am I going to get my money back?

00:18:17.000 Of course not.

00:18:18.000 So you're going to pay for people who didn't save any money, and those of us who did the right thing get screwed?

00:18:24.000 What?

00:18:25.000 Of course we did.

00:18:26.000 My buddy had fun, bought a car, went on vacations.

00:18:29.000 He made more than I did.

00:18:29.000 I saved my money.

00:18:30.000 But I worked a double shift, worked extra.

00:18:33.000 My daughter's work sheet is ten.

00:18:35.000 So you're laughing.

00:18:37.000 Yeah, that's exactly what you're doing.

00:18:39.000 Compare that to Ted Cruz when he was in Iowa when he was talking about corn subsidies and this guy came and said, you're gonna hurt our industry here.

00:18:49.000 And he explained to the guy.

00:18:50.000 By the end of it, the guy understood that corn subsidies might actually be bad for his farm.

00:18:53.000 Imagine if his comeback had just been, no!

00:18:57.000 Or laughing, right?

00:18:58.000 That's the better way.

00:19:00.000 Laugh in the constituent's face.

00:19:01.000 Hey, I saved for a long time.

00:19:03.000 I'm the American dream.

00:19:04.000 I have a family.

00:19:05.000 I put my daughter through college.

00:19:07.000 I can't buy your vote!

00:19:08.000 Yeah, she just handed him a card that says I laugh awkwardly. 1.00

00:19:11.000 Stupid prick! 1.00

00:19:12.000 You patriarchal paternalistic prick! 1.00

00:19:15.000 That's what she said, that was a subtext. 1.00

00:19:16.000 It's right after the clip.

00:19:19.000 In creating a new victim class, and right now the victim class extends to people who willingly took on student loans, so I'm getting loose with the terms here, we create real victims.

00:19:28.000 Who might the real victims be?

00:19:29.000 this father or people like folks who work here on this team who worked two, three jobs

00:19:35.000 to pay their way through school or went to community colleges or went to trade school

00:19:39.000 or some people who work here who actually didn't go to university and instead gained

00:19:43.000 workplace experience and worked their way up. Those are the actual victims because they

00:19:48.000 will be double footing the bill. They saved their money, right? They avoided the student

00:19:53.000 loans or they paid off their own student loans and now you're asking them to pay your student

00:19:58.000 loans. I understand how it seems compassionate to people.

00:20:01.000 Hey, these folks are saddled with debt and we'll get into that in a second and why that's not

00:20:05.000 necessarily accurate.

00:20:06.000 Even let's assume that student loans, and it's predatory lending, it's the bank's fault, it still wouldn't solve the issue in forcing somebody else to pay that bill twice.

00:20:15.000 Okay, so let's go through this idea, though, the crisis, because it's predicated on the idea that there's a crisis right now.

00:20:20.000 This is a huge claim you see from current Democrats, that there's $1.4 trillion in student debt, right, $35,000 on average per individual.

00:20:27.000 I think we have a clip on this.

00:20:29.000 Welcome back to Belchian Rules. 0.98

00:20:30.000 Senator Bernie Sanders is joining others in Congress to unveil a sweeping new plan to wipe out the nation's crushing student debt.

00:20:36.000 This proposal completely eliminates student debt in this country and ends the absurdity of sentencing an entire generation, the millennial generation, to a lifetime of debt for the crime of doing the right thing.

00:20:53.000 1.5 trillion in student loan debt and this time we're going to choose our people, right Philadelphia?

00:20:59.000 Cancel student loan debt for 95% of the folks who've got it.

00:21:05.000 Two questions.

00:21:06.000 Why is Andrew Yang wearing his hat up like Ernest goes to camp?

00:21:09.000 And second, could Bernie Sanders be any more transparent with his pandering?

00:21:14.000 Our generation, the millennials.

00:21:16.000 What about boomers? 1.00

00:21:17.000 F*** em! 1.00

00:21:19.000 To millennials who undoubtedly will vote for me, right? 1.00

00:21:23.000 No student loans?

00:21:25.000 I'll pay for your loans.

00:21:26.000 How?

00:21:26.000 Really?

00:21:27.000 How?

00:21:28.000 And this is something that's important to note.

00:21:29.000 It sounds like a lot, 1.4 trillion, it's not nothing.

00:21:32.000 Car loan debt in this country is about 1.2 trillion dollars.

00:21:36.000 And cards depreciate way faster than an education, unless, of course, it's a gender studies degree, 1.00

00:21:39.000 in which case it depreciates 100% once you roll your fat, angry, feminist ass off the lot. 1.00

00:21:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:47.000 I think that's the general rule.

00:21:49.000 It goes to zero so fast.

00:21:50.000 That's weird.

00:21:51.000 And how is it?

00:21:51.000 This is the thing.

00:21:52.000 How is it compassionate?

00:21:53.000 Let's say quarter black Garrett, OK, has some car payments left. 0.80

00:21:57.000 And I go, hey, AudioWay, do you have any car payments?

00:21:59.000 No, I bought an old used car, cash.

00:22:01.000 OK, and I say, hey, you know what?

00:22:03.000 Wade, and I pull out this gun, pay Garrett's car payments.

00:22:07.000 You go, oh, what a nice guy.

00:22:08.000 I didn't pay the car payment.

00:22:09.000 Right.

00:22:10.000 I just forced Wade to do it.

00:22:11.000 Why is one compassion and one is not?

00:22:14.000 We're talking about car payments.

00:22:15.000 Mortgage loan debt, by the way.

00:22:17.000 That comes in at an average of over $200,000 per person.

00:22:20.000 That's $9.5 trillion total.

00:22:23.000 Why isn't that considered a crisis, according to Bernie Sanders?

00:22:27.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but $35,000?

00:22:28.000 Thank you.

00:22:28.000 You're wrong.

00:22:33.000 $35,000 doesn't sound like, at a low interest, doesn't sound like crushing debt for an individual.

00:22:39.000 I know, I understand it's early in their earning career and everything else, but am I the only person here that's like, $35,000 doesn't sound like that?

00:22:44.000 You don't have a master's in underwater basket weaving with a minor in German poetry.

00:22:48.000 Maybe a course in personal finance would help them out.

00:22:50.000 Right.

00:22:51.000 You know?

00:22:51.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:22:52.000 By the way, here's a quick lesson for you, and people got mad at this week.

00:22:55.000 If you want, everyone out there, okay?

00:22:57.000 Uncle Stephen's taking care of you.

00:22:58.000 If you want to build wealth, don't buy a new car.

00:23:00.000 Ever.

00:23:01.000 And to other people, if you want to go green, right, you want to be an environmentalist, don't buy a new car.

00:23:05.000 That's the same.

00:23:06.000 Ever.

00:23:06.000 Period.

00:23:07.000 It is better for you to buy an old 85 Bronco than that new Tesla that has to be created and driven off the lot so that you can have your rich, white, liberal guilt status symbol.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, but they're so fast.

00:23:19.000 Don't buy a new car ever.

00:23:20.000 There's no reason for you to unless you're a multi-millionaire and you're just looking to throw money around and you hate the environment.

00:23:26.000 Fine. 0.97

00:23:26.000 But this idea, everyone's hypocritical. You don't have to buy new cars, Leo or Damon. 0.97

00:23:32.000 You can buy used cars and they don't. Yeah.

00:23:34.000 So what I find is really interesting, this example of like, don't buy a new car

00:23:38.000 is the same example of, well, I mean, the only thing I can do is go to a four-year institution

00:23:43.000 that's $50,000 a year and have the government, you know, approve these loans. And then I'm

00:23:48.000 going to sign this paperwork, but now I really don't know what the paperwork said.

00:23:52.000 Oh, you mean I have to pay it back later at some point?

00:23:54.000 I mean, the whole point here is, if you're going to do Y shopping, the other corollary of what that father was saying is, what about the kid who decided to go to a JUCO instead, or a community college instead, paid for it themselves, and they're five years out, and they're some amount of years behind someone who took loans out, and is just going to get it all for free?

00:24:11.000 You're actually doing a persistence of the difference between those people, and you're punishing those who worked harder, and as that dad said, did it the right way.

00:24:19.000 Well, a lot of people just don't realize someone always has to pay the bill.

00:24:21.000 It's like the idea with healthcare and pre-existing conditions.

00:24:23.000 What you're doing is now you've astronomically raised healthcare costs, right?

00:24:27.000 We're talking about premiums, deductibles, because people who opted, and by the way, most people who didn't have health insurance chose not to have health insurance when we crunched the numbers, so you can go back and search that segment.

00:24:36.000 They could afford health insurance, particularly young people, they opted not to.

00:24:39.000 Not to, until they had a serious condition.

00:24:41.000 Well, the whole point to buying health care insurance is it's basically creating a pool of lower risk so that you can use it when you need it.

00:24:48.000 So the people who bought health insurance before the emergency arose, that's why they locked in lower rates, then had to pay a higher bill because everyone else who didn't have that kind of forethought is now joining into the same pool.

00:25:00.000 It ends up harming people who've thought ahead, who've planned responsibly.

00:25:04.000 Not always.

00:25:05.000 Some people get some tough breaks.

00:25:06.000 By the way, tough break.

00:25:07.000 Notifications don't really work.

00:25:08.000 You have to hit the notification bell.

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00:25:22.000 Nineteen more shows of this per week.

00:25:24.000 Okay, I exaggerate.

00:25:25.000 It's four.

00:25:25.000 Seventy-eight.

00:25:26.000 All right, here's another point I think we need to get to.

00:25:28.000 If we're talking about who it harms, who does, or who would rather, student loan forgiveness, who would that reward, right?

00:25:36.000 Bernie Sanders actually uses this term.

00:25:37.000 He just talked about, he uses the term punishing, I believe, right now.

00:25:40.000 We should stop punishing people for going to school.

00:25:42.000 We have a clip.

00:25:43.000 Bottom line is, we should not be punishing people for getting a higher education.

00:25:48.000 It is time to hit the reset button.

00:25:51.000 Under the proposal that we introduced today, all student debt would be cancelled in six months.

00:25:58.000 Well, you know what, Bernie? 1.00

00:25:59.000 Maybe you should be punished for being a lifelong, unemployed, couch-surfing asshole who's never been gainfully employed aside from suckling at the government's teat. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Maybe you should feel a little bit of sting! 1.00

00:26:13.000 It would motivate you a little bit.

00:26:14.000 Forgiving student debt, it punishes those who worked hard and never went into debt, like we've talked about, the Iowa debt.

00:26:18.000 But who does it reward?

00:26:20.000 Okay, people think that if we forgive student loans, and this is something, again, I understand why people think it's compassionate, but the numbers do matter.

00:26:26.000 They think that most of this money is going to go to those who have a hard time paying off their loans, right?

00:26:30.000 That's how Bernie presents it.

00:26:31.000 A ton of it would go to people who are making a lot of money anyway.

00:26:35.000 So yes, the average, we'll come back to that, student debt is around $35,000.

00:26:39.000 But let's look at how it's distributed.

00:26:40.000 I think we have it.

00:26:41.000 Let's look at a chart.

00:26:42.000 We have it right here.

00:26:43.000 Most of the people, if you look, fall on the low end of that spectrum, well below $30,000.

00:26:47.000 And then you have students with astronomical costs, right?

00:26:49.000 They stretch things out on the opposite end of the spectrum.

00:26:51.000 So those in the high end, you see in this chart, typically come from families making

00:26:55.000 over $114,000 a year, and they go into careers like law and dentistry.

00:26:59.000 So it takes some time to pay off those loans, but they're actually living pretty comfortably.

00:27:03.000 A huge, or I should say, a huge portion of these large numbers that are being cited, it's actually evidence of a crisis that is somewhat created by upper class families who take out loans to put their kids into very lucrative career paths.

00:27:17.000 I mean, how much is law school?

00:27:19.000 I mean, it can range anywhere from, if you're in certain state programs, $20,000 a year to $50,000 or $60,000 a year, all told, with expenses.

00:27:26.000 Right, exactly.

00:27:27.000 But you're not going to be destitute if you go into law.

00:27:29.000 Probably not, but I would actually say that there's an issue when it comes to grad school because a lot of folks will say, you know, whether it's a liberal arts program or, you know, a gender studies Ph.D.

00:27:38.000 or even a J.D.

00:27:40.000 or a J.D.

00:27:40.000 They get Ph.D.s in gender studies now?

00:27:40.000 MBA.

00:27:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:42.000 I thought you were going to talk about J.D.

00:27:44.000 Wentworth.

00:27:45.000 But the question there is, again, did you decide you're going to go do this thing and who's going to have to pay for you having to go on and got this degree, right?

00:27:54.000 Is it going to be the rest of the loan payers?

00:27:56.000 Is it going to be the rest of America? 0.88

00:27:58.000 If you decide to forgive the loans for people who are just going to grad school for no purpose or no reason, then you're literally asking someone else to subside your education.

00:28:06.000 I followed maybe about half of that because in my head I was just thinking, I have an annuity and I need cash now called J.G.

00:28:13.000 Wentworth.

00:28:14.000 877-CASH-NOW! 1.00

00:28:14.000 Son of a bitch! 1.00

00:28:15.000 That is a big fucking... It is! 1.00

00:28:17.000 We all know the fucking phone number?! 1.00

00:28:21.000 I can't remember my wife's phone number! 0.70

00:28:24.000 Because it's been entered into my... I always get the area code wrong, but J.G.

00:28:28.000 Wentworth. 1.00

00:28:29.000 Damn you, J.G. 1.00

00:28:31.000 And Wentworth. 1.00

00:28:31.000 Someone put a hit out on Mr. Wentworth. 1.00

00:28:33.000 Nope.

00:28:34.000 Don't do it.

00:28:34.000 He's kidding.

00:28:35.000 He's kidding.

00:28:36.000 I love how my lawyer is calling for the death penalty.

00:28:39.000 I've got your back.

00:28:39.000 I'm here.

00:28:40.000 Don't do it.

00:28:41.000 Stop! 1.00

00:28:42.000 This will be removed and rightfully so!

00:28:44.000 There's going to be some guy who's named J slash D Wentworth who's going to get some horrible emails and a powdered substance in his mailbox and then he's going to find this video.

00:28:53.000 We're very sorry.

00:28:54.000 Our bad.

00:28:56.000 It's the other JG.

00:28:57.000 The people, by the way, who have problems paying off their loans, it's actually a pretty small group.

00:29:01.000 They tend to have, people who actually have a hard time paying off the loans, meaning settled by debt, tends to be less than $5,000 when you eliminate people who are going to medical, law school, where they have a lot of student debt initially and they pay it off quickly.

00:29:13.000 People who long-term have problems paying it, $5,000.

00:29:16.000 That's a number that matters.

00:29:17.000 So let's, before we go to the idea of federal government, What could be a personal solution for you?

00:29:24.000 Is there a silver lining?

00:29:25.000 Yeah, there is.

00:29:25.000 It doesn't require any federal intervention at all.

00:29:27.000 So here are the steps you can take.

00:29:28.000 Number one, go to a reasonable college or trade school.

00:29:31.000 Then number two, choose a major discipline that will set you up for a well-paying job.

00:29:35.000 Number three, finish your degree.

00:29:37.000 That's it.

00:29:38.000 Finish your degree.

00:29:39.000 Statistically, you'll be absolutely fine.

00:29:40.000 Again, those people who have that debt of $5,000, hard time paying it, most of them don't finish.

00:29:44.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:45.000 And obviously, if you don't finish, you don't get to use the benefits of having that degree to make more money.

00:29:48.000 So finish.

00:29:49.000 But Bill brought this up.

00:29:50.000 Go to a community college for two years.

00:29:51.000 Who says that you have to go for those first two years where you're getting your basics out of the way?

00:29:55.000 Nobody cares if you transferred from a community college and then graduated from UT.

00:29:59.000 Your diploma says UT.

00:30:00.000 Doesn't matter.

00:30:01.000 Much cheaper that way.

00:30:02.000 No, and this is actually a good point, this brings me to point number three.

00:30:05.000 Everyone out there, you should consider trade schools.

00:30:07.000 Trade schools have a ton of advantages over four-year colleges.

00:30:10.000 On average, by the way, they have about 70% less debt, twice the job placement, almost

00:30:13.000 twice the starting salary.

00:30:15.000 Right, do we have that up as a side by side?

00:30:17.000 Yeah, keep that up right here so I can actually read it.

00:30:18.000 Yeah.

00:30:19.000 Average debt, $36,000 at a four-year college.

00:30:21.000 We just went through those numbers.

00:30:22.000 Job placement, about 50%.

00:30:23.000 Average debt, $10,000 for a two-year trade school.

00:30:26.000 100% average job placement with almost twice the starting salary.

00:30:30.000 But again, we market this idea of the college experience, which for many is four years of glorified alcoholism.

00:30:38.000 Don't forget the victory lap if they go for five.

00:30:40.000 Right, absolutely.

00:30:41.000 You don't need to do it.

00:30:42.000 And this does come from a lot of intellectuals, a lot of politicians who place this value on an elite university that is not reflected in real-world numbers.

00:30:50.000 I've had parents be horrified when kids come up at live shows.

00:30:53.000 They're like, can you give my son any advice?

00:30:54.000 I say, well, what do you want to do?

00:30:56.000 And if they say, I want to be a fireman or whatever, oh, that's great too.

00:30:58.000 If they say, I don't know yet, I say, well, don't go to university.

00:31:01.000 They're like, oh, cover your ears.

00:31:03.000 Why?

00:31:03.000 Why would you want that kid to have debt?

00:31:05.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 It's kind of pitched as the thing that you do after high school, like some summer camp that you go to and have a great time.

00:31:10.000 No, you're going to work harder than you worked in high school to try to have a career and be able to provide for yourself.

00:31:15.000 That's what you should be prepared for.

00:31:17.000 And I think it's very important, too, when we're talking about going to university or whether you go to trade school, do choose your major wisely, okay?

00:31:25.000 This is another kind of solution that you can all take into account here, or not, and then ask Bernie to take my money to bail you out.

00:31:30.000 Fine.

00:31:32.000 Think about how you make any other purchases.

00:31:34.000 Do you just go out and buy the most expensive car you can afford?

00:31:37.000 Do you go out and buy the most expensive house you can afford?

00:31:40.000 No financial advisor would say that's what you should do.

00:31:41.000 But that is exactly what we do with universities.

00:31:45.000 We tell kids, apply to all of the top schools, meaning the most expensive, the most prestigious schools.

00:31:49.000 That's usually what parents tell their kids to see.

00:31:51.000 See which one takes you in.

00:31:52.000 And if we look at university rankings based on economic value added to students' lives, not their status symbol, not how many people see the crest on your jacket, but how much value it actually adds to students' lives.

00:32:06.000 Here, we can look at the metrics actually with these numbers.

00:32:08.000 Look at average student salaries, the employment rate, if students are employed in their particular field of studies.

00:32:13.000 According to that metric, many of the top colleges, they're just public universities and state schools.

00:32:20.000 Basically, unless you're planning on going to the Supreme Court, you don't need an Ivy League university to be at the top of your field.

00:32:26.000 People in the top of any of these given fields, there is no correlation between a specific school or degree from that school and success.

00:32:34.000 Now, if you know exactly what you want to do, let's say practice law, or you host a podcast where you want to tell everyone that you practice law, Ben Shapiro can be an inspiration for this.

00:32:41.000 By the way, his wife?

00:32:43.000 Go ahead.

00:32:48.000 Doctor, go ahead.

00:32:50.000 What I really find is interesting is think about who are the people that are being rewarded.

00:32:53.000 You're rewarding the people who didn't take personal responsibility in making those choices, but you're also rewarding the universities, right?

00:32:59.000 So think about what the framework is.

00:33:01.000 Remember we talked about the First Amendment.

00:33:02.000 We said, hey, when there's hate speech, we don't need to have more regulation.

00:33:06.000 We already regulate dangerous speech or, you know, inciting violence and those types of things and other, you know, defamation.

00:33:11.000 Calling people to murder in cold blood, J.G.

00:33:13.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.81

00:33:13.000 Wentworth. 0.81

00:33:14.000 I mean, he's dead.

00:33:15.000 My lawyer committed a crime.

00:33:16.000 Go get him.

00:33:19.000 But we already have a framework in place.

00:33:20.000 You're going to become a parable, do you realize that?

00:33:23.000 But you can't yell fire in a crowded theater or call for the assassination of J.G.

00:33:26.000 Wentworth, right?

00:33:28.000 He's a national hero, it's fine.

00:33:31.000 But we already have a framework in place to deal with any type of fraud that may have happened in the course of selling these universities loans.

00:33:38.000 Because think about it, if the loan companies had sold you the bill of goods about the loans themselves, I didn't know I had to repay it, right?

00:33:47.000 Then, okay, you have a lawsuit there.

00:33:48.000 If the university sold you and you didn't get the education you expected, you have another lawsuit there.

00:33:54.000 If you were misled by your parents, just put them in a home, or don't talk to them, or don't go to Christmas. 0.97

00:34:00.000 The whole point there is, instead... Chinese New Year must suck at your house. 0.98

00:34:05.000 Lunar New Year. 0.97

00:34:06.000 I forgot you were a Babylonian celebrating the solstice.

00:34:10.000 Byzantine.

00:34:13.000 If you're going to, who are you going to reward?

00:34:15.000 You're going to reward all of the people that created this system instead of, you know, you want to punish someone, punish the people who put us into the system if they deserve punishment.

00:34:24.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.000 Or the people who didn't take personal responsibility.

00:34:26.000 I think Andrew Yang, to his credit, has talked about how somehow maybe cost should be tied to those fields of education.

00:34:31.000 And if you look at majors like, I think it's education, like art, art history, ethnic studies, things like that, you know, things that are kind of useless that you can learn on Google in two afternoons.

00:34:42.000 They're not high-earning fields, but they require a comparable amount of student loan debt.

00:34:49.000 On the other hand, the majors that have the highest earnings-to-debt ratio are STEM degrees, which is science, technology, engineering, mathematics.

00:34:57.000 He's not a math-asian. 0.92

00:35:01.000 A master's in humanities from Stanford is like having a brand new Maserati in your driveway. 1.00

00:35:07.000 It's a modern status symbol, and it costs you a lot of money for a piece of shit. 0.99

00:35:11.000 And then someone's like, not my Maserati! 1.00

00:35:14.000 Yes, your Maserati.

00:35:15.000 All Maseratis.

00:35:16.000 All Maseratis! 0.78

00:35:18.000 No Maserati sponsorship here.

00:35:22.000 No.

00:35:22.000 Just pick their competitor.

00:35:22.000 Not happening.

00:35:23.000 Also, BMW, just take me off your list.

00:35:25.000 I don't like your cars.

00:35:26.000 Not going to happen.

00:35:27.000 And by the way, this goes back to if you have a clear plan of what you're majoring, what the best school is for you, I don't want to discourage you.

00:35:32.000 You should shoot for that.

00:35:33.000 Absolutely.

00:35:34.000 But keep in mind, 20% to 50% of students, they enter school as undecided, and then most of them end up changing their major.

00:35:43.000 Again, step one, you want to fix it.

00:35:44.000 Go to a reasonable school. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Step two, don't major in worthless shit. 0.99

00:35:48.000 Step three, finish your degree and you will avoid this problem. 0.99

00:35:52.000 Yeah, and one of the things that I think is lost in all of the discussion about this is why do we have so much student debt right now?

00:35:58.000 Why is tuition skyrocketing?

00:35:59.000 And there's a couple of statistics out there that are really telling.

00:36:02.000 The Federal Reserve Bank of New York said that every $1 in federal aid actually increases tuition by 65 cents.

00:36:08.000 You're essentially creating the same bubble that we had with housing.

00:36:11.000 You're just doing it for student loans.

00:36:12.000 And then, Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, you guys want to go back to who caused this?

00:36:16.000 They actually trace it back to a 1978 bill that passed in the Carter administration that basically guaranteed all of these loans so that people could go out there and get them so easily that it didn't matter anymore if you qualified or if you could actually afford to pay it back.

00:36:29.000 All of that was helpful and informative, but I appreciate that you slipped a Carter jab in there.

00:36:33.000 I did.

00:36:34.000 It's well earned.

00:36:34.000 Well, it was his deal.

00:36:35.000 It's well earned.

00:36:36.000 There are a lot of people who are allergic to tree nuts.

00:36:38.000 That's true.

00:36:39.000 But look, fix the problem.

00:36:40.000 Don't just try to take care of a symptom of the problem.

00:36:42.000 Fix the actual problem.

00:36:44.000 Well, think about this for a second.

00:36:45.000 This is really, and we do have to go to Ben Shapiro in a little bit, this is a brilliant ploy.

00:36:49.000 You tell people, young people, millennials, as Bernie Sanders said, his voting base,

00:36:53.000 you tell them that they are the victim of some predatory system

00:36:55.000 of lending.

00:36:56.000 You encourage them to saddle themselves with more debt in attending universities

00:36:59.000 that they can't afford, often pursuing degrees that guarantee,

00:37:03.000 all but guarantee, an inability to pay off that debt.

00:37:05.000 Not to mention, by the way, you're encouraging young people to make, arguably,

00:37:10.000 the largest financial decision of their lives.

00:37:13.000 before they graduate high school because they're already applying.

00:37:16.000 You further encourage, you further incentivize this behavior with grants and scholarships from the government, like you said, which also leads to simultaneously hyperinflates, right, the cost of education overall.

00:37:26.000 And then you bribe the voters who followed your instructions explicitly by promising to bail them out with other people's money.

00:37:33.000 And this is something I hear a lot.

00:37:34.000 You hear people saying, well, why shouldn't we bail out students?

00:37:36.000 We bailed out the banks.

00:37:37.000 How about we bail out nothing?

00:37:39.000 How about we don't bail out Goldman Sachs or the Afro Lesbian Studies major? 1.00

00:37:45.000 How about that?

00:37:46.000 You hear these songs, I hate the identity politics that you hear on the right as well, like, while they're living it up on Wall Street, they're shutting Detroit down.

00:37:52.000 Shut them both down!

00:37:54.000 Shut all of it down.

00:37:55.000 I'm not looking for, is it Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns?

00:37:58.000 Bear Stearns.

00:37:59.000 Which, there's bear and there's bull, correct?

00:38:01.000 Bear Stearns is the bank, bear market, bull market, you can see.

00:38:03.000 I don't know economics.

00:38:06.000 I just make it rain.

00:38:11.000 But we should not be bailing out any of these people.

00:38:14.000 What's the root of the problem here?

00:38:15.000 And again, I want to hear from you.

00:38:17.000 I understand that people on both sides are compassionate.

00:38:19.000 The root of the problem is telling kids who have no idea what they want to do with their lives to make the biggest financial decision of their future before they have any real world experience.

00:38:31.000 Claim that this is what is required right now in the modern workplace, and to have self-esteem.

00:38:35.000 We're also, by the way, tying up children, tying up young people's self-worth with the degree they have, with a sheet of paper to tell people how important they are, and then promising that we are going to bail them out.

00:38:46.000 It doesn't work.

00:38:47.000 It has not worked.

00:38:48.000 It will not work.

00:38:49.000 The solution is not to bail people out.

00:38:51.000 The solution is that everybody start taking personal responsibility And making better decisions for yourself.

00:38:57.000 What is that?

00:38:57.000 Let me go through it one more time, OK?

00:38:59.000 Don't waste money going to an expensive university if you don't have to. 0.81

00:39:03.000 Don't get a useless degree.

00:39:04.000 And finish if you do go to school.

00:39:06.000 Congratulations, I just saved you $1.4 trillion in a national bailout.

00:39:11.000 We're going to have Ben Shapiro in a little bit.

00:39:13.000 And one last thing, people wanted us to talk about the coronavirus.

00:39:16.000 Uh, I think this is, like Ebola and swine flu, it's been blown out of proportion a little bit.

00:39:20.000 One thing to be aware of is, of course, that, um, you may not know you have it until the symptoms have already manifested themselves with the coronavirus.

00:39:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, true.

00:39:28.000 And um...

00:39:30.000 Oh shi- Shouldn't have gone with the toll house 1.00

00:39:51.000 If I hear one more song Hey

00:39:56.000 Get away You are positively sinister and delicious 0.98

00:40:07.000 Terrible. 0.99

00:40:08.000 Guerrilla warfare.

00:40:09.000 Listen! 0.73

00:40:10.000 I'm not saying the Republic doesn't need to be f***ing fixed, right? 1.00

00:40:15.000 Like, does a guy have to f***ing be wearing this stupid f***ing helmet? 1.00

00:40:18.000 Jiu-jitsu is such a powerful thing in every aspect of your life. 1.00

00:40:24.000 It really does improve the way that you think.

00:40:26.000 It improves your confidence.

00:40:27.000 It improves your physical conditioning.

00:40:29.000 It improves the way you view other people and the world.

00:40:32.000 It just can have such a massive impact.

00:40:35.000 It's had a huge impact on my life.

00:40:37.000 As far as kids go, I say that jiu-jitsu is more important for children than love is.

00:40:44.000 No, no, no, no.

00:41:02.000 Wait, wait. 0.99

00:41:03.000 Are you gonna shoot me? 0.97

00:41:04.000 No.

00:41:06.000 I brought you some Black Rifle coffee, and I want you to give me your genuine, honest reaction to it, okay?

00:41:12.000 I did not consent to this experiment.

00:41:14.000 However, seeing as this would be a horrible waste of coffee that has already gone through the complex process of being brewed, as well as sourced and roasted, which most do not appreciate, I feel obligated to conduct a formal cupping.

00:41:31.000 But I don't think you're gonna like how this one ends up. 0.99

00:41:33.000 Son of a b****! 1.00

00:41:49.000 F*** off! 1.00

00:41:50.000 It was alright. 1.00

00:41:57.000 you Black Rifle Coffee.

00:42:03.000 BlackRifleCoffee.com slash Crowder.

00:42:06.000 See, I had to do, like, multiple takes because I kept saying BlackRifle.com slash Crowder because around the office we just refer to it as Black Rifle.

00:42:13.000 We're on a two-name-only basis.

00:42:15.000 We're that familiar.

00:42:16.000 BlackRifleCoffee.com slash Crowder.

00:42:18.000 You get 20% off your first order.

00:42:20.000 This is my favorite.

00:42:21.000 Again, we refer to this as the Medic Blend here in the office, but it's actually, I think, called the Coffee Saves or Vintage Roast.

00:42:27.000 We have an espresso machine at the office.

00:42:30.000 That's what we put in there.

00:42:32.000 As good as any coffee we've put through it, and we've put through at least probably 20, 30 varietals.

00:42:37.000 So, yeah, they're a veteran-owned company.

00:42:39.000 A portion of their profits go to support veteran causes.

00:42:42.000 That's all great.

00:42:43.000 Their coffee, though, is better than the competition at a more reasonable price.

00:42:48.000 We're going to do some coffee tutorials coming here in the future, but BlackRifleCoffee.com slash Crowder.

00:42:55.000 If you're going to drink coffee, support a company that has the balls to support this show, and they make better coffee.

00:43:01.000 It's a win-win.

00:43:03.000 For your consideration for Best Actor in a Supporting Role Gilbert Godfrey in 12 Years a Slave 1.00

00:43:11.000 Holy shit I'm a f***ing slave! 0.99

00:43:15.000 Alright everyone, this is a stickup! 1.00

00:43:38.000 You! 0.99

00:43:39.000 What I!

00:43:40.000 Are you gonna come?

00:43:41.000 Fun questions!

00:43:42.000 You gotta make them fun!

00:43:43.000 Why don't you be the fun question?

00:43:45.000 Hold on a second, though.

00:43:45.000 I don't remember.

00:43:46.000 Was Stickup in Home Alone?

00:43:47.000 This is a Stickup?

00:43:49.000 No, this is Toy Story.

00:43:50.000 What was I thinking of Home Alone?

00:43:51.000 I have no idea.

00:43:52.000 I was thinking Buzz Lightyear, but this is a Stickup.

00:43:54.000 That's all Home Alone.

00:43:55.000 That's all Toy Story.

00:43:56.000 What happened to me?

00:43:57.000 What's going on?

00:43:57.000 What's happened?

00:43:59.000 Connecting those two.

00:43:59.000 I should be running in the Democratic primary.

00:44:03.000 I feel very much like I should be eating a funnel cake at the Iowa State Fair.

00:44:07.000 I have a question for our next guest.

00:44:08.000 It is not politically related at all.

00:44:09.000 We were talking about it during the break, but I want to clarify that.

00:44:11.000 You know him.

00:44:12.000 Some of you love him, some of you don't.

00:44:14.000 That's the nature of the beast.

00:44:15.000 You can follow him at Ben Shapiro on the Twitter, of course, DailyWire.com.

00:44:19.000 I believe the term is editor-in-chief.

00:44:21.000 You can correct me on that.

00:44:21.000 His show is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:44:23.000 Mr. Shapiro, how are you, sir?

00:44:25.000 I'm doing okay, or at least I was until I got here.

00:44:27.000 I appreciate that.

00:44:29.000 You know, he always plays it coy.

00:44:31.000 He does.

00:44:31.000 But then off air, he sends me wildly uncomfortable pictures.

00:44:35.000 Nothing sexual, mind you.

00:44:36.000 Nothing sexual.

00:44:36.000 But like he's looking for love in all the wrong places.

00:44:40.000 Right.

00:44:40.000 All the wrong places.

00:44:41.000 I don't know whether you want pictures of Chuck Schumer or not.

00:44:43.000 I have no idea.

00:44:45.000 Unsolicited.

00:44:46.000 That's what he calls it.

00:44:47.000 Little Chuck.

00:44:48.000 Let me ask you this.

00:44:49.000 So punim, and I've been using this on the show where a few people have said, where did you learn Yiddish?

00:44:55.000 But punim means face, but you were telling me that that doesn't actually mean face in Hebrew, which I'm very confused as to what Yiddish is exactly.

00:45:04.000 Right, so Yiddish is sort of a mashup.

00:45:06.000 It's sort of like Ladino.

00:45:08.000 There are a few languages that are sort of mashups of other languages.

00:45:12.000 And Yiddish is a mashup of Hebrew and Aramaic.

00:45:14.000 There are some Slavic languages in there.

00:45:16.000 And because the Jews are, you know, kind of kicked around to various countries, there are constantly words that are being added that are sort of adoptions from other languages.

00:45:23.000 But Punim is basically just a different pronunciation of Panim, which if you read the Bible and it refers to, you know, like the face of Moses, it's referred to as Panim.

00:45:31.000 Paneem.

00:45:32.000 Paneem is how it's pronounced in Hebrew.

00:45:34.000 It's pronounced Paneem in Yiddish.

00:45:35.000 Okay, I order a Paneem Saag from Little Mumbai Grill all the time.

00:45:40.000 Every Wednesday, it's my, yeah, it's Saag Paneem.

00:45:43.000 I don't know, that's the thing with Indian restaurants.

00:45:45.000 Yeah, it's questionable.

00:45:45.000 What else are you eating?

00:45:46.000 I feel like it's a different, I feel it's a different thing.

00:45:48.000 It's like, I'm supposed to know what aloo gobi paneer is?

00:45:51.000 How am I even fair?

00:45:52.000 Oh yeah, I have two of those.

00:45:53.000 And you have that in Los Angeles.

00:45:54.000 I think one time we went to a restaurant, and it was one of those affected menus.

00:45:57.000 It was like, oh, a half-cracked quail egg.

00:45:59.000 And everyone at the table acted like, well, I'll have another one of those.

00:46:02.000 As though we ever eat this way.

00:46:04.000 These foodie restaurants.

00:46:06.000 All right, this is completely off the beaten path here.

00:46:09.000 Impeachment, your thoughts.

00:46:12.000 Boring. 0.76

00:46:13.000 Super boring.

00:46:16.000 Look, it's incredibly boring.

00:46:17.000 We all know where this is going.

00:46:19.000 And watching the media try to spin it into a frenzy, I said on my show, it's like trying to watch the media spin people up for female Ghostbusters.

00:46:27.000 Like, oh, guys, guaranteed, this is the greatest movie, and if you don't love the movie, it's just because you hate women, and because you're a member of toxic fandom.

00:46:34.000 So now all of America is toxic fandom when it comes to impeachment, because you can poll people on what they think, but people will give you an opinion on anything you poll them on, right?

00:46:42.000 And if you ask them if they like the color blue, then they will give you an opinion.

00:46:44.000 That does not mean they spend every waking moment consumed with the question of whether blue is a nice color or not.

00:46:49.000 Well, why'd you pick such a candy-ass color, Ben?

00:46:51.000 I know. 0.76

00:46:52.000 I'm sorry.

00:46:52.000 I didn't mean to offend you, Cole.

00:46:54.000 I didn't mean to offend you with my gender-specific colors. 0.73

00:46:57.000 But the fact that there are so many people in the media who are just over the moon about this, as though something new is going to come from it, is ridiculous.

00:47:05.000 Now, that said, it's like everybody blew this thing. 1.00

00:47:07.000 Everybody, as per usual arrangement in American politics, it's Veep, it's not House of Cards, everybody's an idiot. 0.97

00:47:13.000 So on the one hand, you have the Democrats who push forward an impeachment without any witnesses that actually testify as to what would be the impeachable offense. 0.96

00:47:20.000 They put forward impeachment offenses that don't include criminal offenses, which would be the first time in American history that you have, like, no criminal offenses whatsoever.

00:47:27.000 Alleged.

00:47:28.000 That would be kind of a new one.

00:47:30.000 And to be clear for people who might say, well, hold on a second.

00:47:32.000 Bill Clinton, the crime there was perjury.

00:47:34.000 It wasn't sex with an intern.

00:47:36.000 It was perjury.

00:47:36.000 A lot of people miss that.

00:47:37.000 Like, oh, he had a little bit of fun.

00:47:38.000 This is way worse.

00:47:38.000 No, no.

00:47:39.000 Perjury is an actual crime, which, of course, is something I think that you actually talked about.

00:47:43.000 I want to touch on this.

00:47:44.000 You said that it might be a problem as far as Bolton, if Bolton comes to testify or if he's forced to testify and if Donald Trump, there could be a risk of committing perjury at that point.

00:47:54.000 Right, you never want Trump to testify, under any circumstance.

00:47:57.000 If you're Trump's lawyer, you chain him up in the basement, you put on pornography, and you just say, never exit.

00:48:01.000 Like, there's no way.

00:48:03.000 Wait, why would there be pornography in the basement?

00:48:05.000 Did you watch Seven before this?

00:48:06.000 Have you been watching Seven?

00:48:08.000 I mean, I'm not going to tell you whether it was, like, pornographic version of Saw, but...

00:48:13.000 I was going to say, you went from House of Cards and this.

00:48:16.000 I think you have Kevin Spacey on the brain with seven.

00:48:19.000 That's the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon.

00:48:21.000 I certainly hope not.

00:48:22.000 But in any case, better to have Kevin Spacey on the brain.

00:48:24.000 We're not going to go there.

00:48:25.000 In any case, the problem here for the Democrats is, of course, they rushed this thing.

00:48:29.000 They didn't bother to wait for the witnesses.

00:48:31.000 They didn't bother to go through the entire process.

00:48:33.000 And then they get to the Senate.

00:48:34.000 And the Republicans have a fairly good case for saying, OK, we're not going to do your work for you, right?

00:48:38.000 You guys didn't call the witnesses.

00:48:40.000 You didn't wait.

00:48:40.000 You didn't do any of this stuff.

00:48:41.000 So we're not going to call your witnesses for you.

00:48:43.000 We're just going to look at what you gave us and we're going to say no.

00:48:46.000 And then that's going to be the end of this.

00:48:47.000 And then President Trump decides that he is his own best defense attorney.

00:48:51.000 And this is the biggest problem, right?

00:48:53.000 The reason Trump can't get a good defense attorney is because what good defense attorney in their right mind would defend this client?

00:48:59.000 It's like, as an attorney, your first rule to your client is you get them in a room, you say, shut up. 0.99

00:49:04.000 Just shut it. 0.99

00:49:05.000 Just be quiet.

00:49:06.000 And Trump, because he will not do that, instead, he's constantly blowing up his own defense attorney's case.

00:49:12.000 So the best possible defense for Trump from the beginning was Yes, I said to the Ukrainians that unless they did a series of investigations surrounding 2016, about which I have concerns.

00:49:22.000 As it turns out, some justified, some not so justified.

00:49:25.000 But I have concerns, and I want all those investigated in return for the aid.

00:49:28.000 Right.

00:49:28.000 And that's not wrong, right?

00:49:29.000 That's not impeachable.

00:49:30.000 You may not like it.

00:49:31.000 You may not like my judgment.

00:49:32.000 You may think I'm buying into Rudy's conspiracy theories, but that has nothing to do with getting Joe Biden out for 2020 or anything.

00:49:38.000 Right.

00:49:39.000 It's that I'm hearing all this crap about what's going on in Ukraine, and I want all of it investigated, and then you get your money.

00:49:43.000 Right? 0.71

00:49:43.000 And that's not impeachable. 0.71

00:49:45.000 If he had said that, we're done already.

00:49:47.000 Because then John Bolton comes forward and he says, right, you know what Trump told me?

00:49:50.000 He told me that he wanted to condition military aid on all these investigations.

00:49:53.000 And Trump is like, right, so?

00:49:55.000 And then we don't have to call Bolton because Bolton doesn't have anything to add to the story. 0.99

00:49:58.000 Instead, what Trump does is, John Bolton's a liar. 0.99

00:50:01.000 He's a damned- But are we sure that Trump actually did that, considering that the money was delivered before, you know, the deadline? 0.99

00:50:06.000 I mean, there's talking- That he conditioned the military aid on some form of investigations? 0.99

00:50:12.000 I think it's fairly certain that he did that.

00:50:13.000 I mean, he- He hints at it in the July 25th phone call.

00:50:17.000 He doesn't explicitly say it in the July 25th phone call.

00:50:20.000 There's multiple people testifying at this point that he has told people who have told them that the two things are conditional.

00:50:27.000 Bolton is now saying, overtly, that this is the case.

00:50:30.000 And Trump has provided no other explanation as to why the military aid was held up in the first place.

00:50:34.000 Normally, if you're going to give another explanation as to why the military aid was held up, you should actually just say it.

00:50:40.000 Right.

00:50:41.000 And it doesn't hold for him to say, well, you know, we don't pay our fair, we pay too much of their Ukrainian military burden.

00:50:45.000 That's been true for years, right?

00:50:47.000 What actually prompted this to happen in the timeline?

00:50:49.000 I think like you delineated though, between impeachable offenses, you know, actual crimes versus something you may not like.

00:50:53.000 I think it's also important to delineate, as you've said, Donald Trump shoots from the hip.

00:50:57.000 There's a difference between a conversation with, you know, I'd like for you to look into that, that Biden kid.

00:51:01.000 I'm just saying, doesn't speak Ukrainian.

00:51:03.000 He has no experience in oil and gas.

00:51:06.000 That looks fishy.

00:51:06.000 There's a difference between that and officially withholding funds, and particularly if it were past the deadline, an agreed upon deadline, that would be more of a problem.

00:51:13.000 So I do think we don't know yet whether it was anything official or just him talking.

00:51:18.000 And I think that's kind of the risk.

00:51:19.000 Like you said, the waters are muddied here.

00:51:21.000 But do you think there is, let me ask you this, do you think there is some value in Donald Trump not following the playbook, kind of like with the election?

00:51:28.000 Because there is a court, obviously a court of law, and there's a court of public opinion And regardless, let's say his name is cleared and he hasn't done anything wrong, as you've alluded to.

00:51:36.000 It doesn't matter if the public, like Don Lemon, all of these people have been tarring his name forever.

00:51:42.000 So there is some value there to fighting back in the sphere of public opinion.

00:51:45.000 Do we think so?

00:51:47.000 See, here's the thing.

00:51:47.000 I think you can do both.

00:51:48.000 Meaning, I think that as, you know, playing defense attorney for Trump, what you want is for him to Make a case that is factually based and defensible.

00:51:56.000 And the reason you want it to be factually based as well as defensible and not just sort of defensible but not factually based is because now you've opened the door to all this testimony, right?

00:52:03.000 You've now created the situation where, let's be real about this, Republicans don't just need Trump to win in 2020.

00:52:09.000 They need to retain the Senate.

00:52:11.000 There are a bunch of senators in purple states.

00:52:13.000 What is bad for those senators in purple states is if it looks as though there was a very material witness, and then they were complicit in rejecting those witnesses.

00:52:20.000 And then this thing goes forward, right?

00:52:22.000 They quit him.

00:52:22.000 This thing goes forward.

00:52:23.000 Two weeks before the election, you get a bunch of people who are out there saying, I was withheld.

00:52:28.000 Here's all my new bombshell material.

00:52:29.000 It drops a week and a half before the election.

00:52:31.000 And that pseudo bombshell, which really isn't a bombshell, but the media will play it that way, that hurts Trump.

00:52:35.000 What you actually want is to get the decks clear.

00:52:37.000 That's gonna happen anyway, though.

00:52:38.000 I mean, we know, like, at least Rick Wilson's gonna release a book or something.

00:52:40.000 There'll be a few of those bombshells, no matter what.

00:52:42.000 That's true, but what you don't want is to be the person who was caught out as saying, I explicitly said I don't want these people testifying, and then that exact person comes out two weeks before the election and then says, right, I wanted to testify, the Republicans stopped me, and now the Senator's in trouble.

00:52:56.000 This isn't even for Trump, right?

00:52:57.000 This is for a lot of the Senators.

00:52:58.000 You don't want to put the Senators in a position where they have to defend why they were covering for Trump when, honestly, he's gonna get acquitted anyway.

00:53:04.000 Right, what you would like to do is be able to say, listen, you guys wanted Bolton, we gave you Bolton.

00:53:08.000 Bolton came in, he said his piece, that wasn't impeachable, we moved to acquit, end of story.

00:53:12.000 Right, that's, that to me, that is a smarter strategy.

00:53:15.000 You want to give your people ground to fight for?

00:53:18.000 Sure.

00:53:18.000 And again, listen, I'm not saying Trump can't defend himself.

00:53:20.000 I'm saying that Donald Trump so far in this investigation has suggested he didn't know Lev Parnas and then Lev Parnas drops a tape where he's explicitly talking about Maria Ivanovic.

00:53:28.000 Trump has suggested that the perfect phone call took place.

00:53:30.000 It is not a perfect phone call by any stretch of the imagination.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, but like him saying perfect, that's Donald Trump saying, it was a good phone call.

00:53:36.000 And in his mind he's going, it was a good, it was perfect!

00:53:39.000 It was the perfect phone call!

00:53:42.000 Listen, for people who are the base, who are going to vote for him anyway, none of this makes any difference.

00:53:45.000 And people who hate him, it makes no difference.

00:53:48.000 But for those seven people who are in between, the fact is you want to make it easier,

00:53:52.000 not harder to defend you.

00:53:53.000 The goal here, I've said before, when it comes to elections, there's two goals.

00:53:56.000 One is to make it nearly impossible to vote for the other guy, which Trump is great at.

00:53:59.000 And the other is to make it really easy for people to support you.

00:54:02.000 And Trump is not so great at making it very easy for people to support him.

00:54:06.000 He makes it easy for people who support him to love him, but he doesn't make it really easy

00:54:09.000 for people who are on the fence to support him.

00:54:10.000 I would agree with you on that front.

00:54:10.000 I agree.

00:54:12.000 And yeah, it's amazing that people are undecided now.

00:54:14.000 But I do think policy wise, and this isn't what we've been talking about a little bit behind the scenes, and maybe we'll release a segment on this.

00:54:19.000 Policy wise, there is no choice for conservatives.

00:54:22.000 Like I see people who are, you know, at one point in the never Trump camp.

00:54:25.000 But what bothers me is it's predicated on this idea that because of my conservative principles from a long time, and I see people coming out saying, I will vote for the DNC.

00:54:32.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:54:32.000 Well, that's insane, obviously.

00:54:33.000 That's patently insane.

00:54:34.000 Right.

00:54:34.000 And I'm somebody who didn't vote for Trump in 2016.

00:54:36.000 It's patently insane to suggest at this point that given Trump's policy record, and given what the Democrats are putting up on the other side, that you'd be voting for a Democrat in order to uphold the merits of the Constitution or some such nonsense.

00:54:46.000 Right.

00:54:46.000 It would be before it came out today and said that she would overthrow the First Amendment.

00:54:50.000 Yes, but there are quite a few people who are in that camp.

00:54:52.000 And I think there are like five of them.

00:54:56.000 I think there is wildly overblown.

00:54:57.000 I think that that is I think it's a bugaboo that a lot of people in Team Trump like to use as sort of the whipping boy for this for this particular election.

00:55:05.000 If Trump loses the election, it's not going to be because Seven people, including Rick Wilson, were like, we ran an ad about Trump.

00:55:11.000 Okay, it's not gonna be because of that.

00:55:12.000 If he loses to Bernie Sanders, like, trying to blame anybody except for Trump for losing to Bernie Sanders.

00:55:16.000 Was that your Rick Wilson face?

00:55:16.000 I don't think you realized that you were doing the Rick Wilson face without, like, you were manifesting yourself.

00:55:21.000 Like, honestly, like, who is the constituency for Rick Wilson?

00:55:24.000 It's the people who watch CNN and MSNBC, right?

00:55:27.000 I mean, those are the people who are paying his salary these days.

00:55:30.000 I feel like French Stewart would like him.

00:55:32.000 Maybe.

00:55:34.000 I think that Rick Wilson makes a lot of sense.

00:55:38.000 And you'd be like, French Stewart, you're still around. 0.98

00:55:40.000 Well, now I've met Rick Wilson's fan.

00:55:44.000 I think that the question for Trump is going to be, and increasingly is going to be, if he loses to somebody like Bernie Sanders, I don't know how you pin that on the seven never-Trumpers, like true never-Trumpers who are left.

00:55:56.000 Well, I think there's some responsibility just because these people get so much airtime, like we saw with Don Lemon, right?

00:56:03.000 So it may be a very small contingency, but it is important. 0.95

00:56:05.000 Listen, I don't think it absolves them of responsibility for making dumb points and mocking people ridiculously and making fools of themselves.

00:56:10.000 I mean, you always bear responsibility for what you say. 0.93

00:56:13.000 No, I don't mean that.

00:56:13.000 But I think it does.

00:56:14.000 I think it's something that is important.

00:56:15.000 Like you said, like you said here, his base are going to vote for him anyway.

00:56:18.000 But for the people who are undecided, people who may be somewhat Republican or maybe moderate and not necessarily be political hobbyists, as you are into a lesser degree myself, you know, impeachment is what the Democrats wanted.

00:56:28.000 That is a really, really loaded word.

00:56:30.000 So they can go out and say that.

00:56:32.000 And so I do think that since we're past that point, that's kind of a bridge too far.

00:56:36.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:56:37.000 Strategically, there need to be some some calculated decisions.

00:56:39.000 But I do think there's some value here in burning this thing down since impeachment has already happened.

00:56:44.000 That was really the only goal here.

00:56:44.000 That's what they wanted.

00:56:46.000 And they're just sort of treading water.

00:56:48.000 I do think there's value at some point now not giving another inch.

00:56:51.000 I don't know the best way to Listen, I hear that argument.

00:56:54.000 I really do. 0.94

00:56:54.000 I'm not saying that it's a completely foolish argument. 0.94

00:56:56.000 I'm not ripping into it and saying like everybody who's doing or anything.

00:56:59.000 I'm just saying that I think there's a fairly good strategic argument for allowing senators to at least create a defensive shield for themselves in case one of these witnesses comes forward later and they say, OK, well, I didn't vote to ban the witness.

00:57:11.000 Right.

00:57:12.000 I said that the witness could testify.

00:57:13.000 They testified and we heard what they had to say.

00:57:15.000 And now it's all off the deck.

00:57:16.000 Right.

00:57:16.000 I mean, now, now the Democrats are going to say what they're going to say.

00:57:18.000 There's nothing new to break on impeachment in the same way that There were a lot of people urging Trump, just fire Mueller.

00:57:23.000 Just get rid of him. 0.99

00:57:24.000 Because we know what this is.

00:57:25.000 The Democrats want you.

00:57:25.000 It's a setup.

00:57:26.000 They want after you.

00:57:27.000 And I was saying the whole time, just let it go forward.

00:57:29.000 Go all the way to the investigation.

00:57:30.000 We'll get to the end.

00:57:31.000 There's not going to be a lot there.

00:57:32.000 And then Trump will be able to claim vindication.

00:57:34.000 That's what happens.

00:57:35.000 What I'm saying here is that it would be better to do that over the next couple of weeks than it would be to precipitously just nuke the thing.

00:57:41.000 And then two weeks out from the election, new information arises.

00:57:44.000 Because after Mueller, no matter what new information arrives, you're like, right, we let you do the whole thing, you spent years doing it, millions of dollars, you didn't come up with what you wanted, and now you're just pissed about it.

00:57:53.000 Better to do that than appear as obstructionist, because that does have, right now, something like 70% of Americans say they want for their witnesses.

00:57:59.000 Again, does that mean they're passionate about it, they're desperate for it?

00:58:01.000 No.

00:58:02.000 But does it mean that if you are a senator, like, I know we all don't like Susan Collins, but we would like to retain a Republican in that seat.

00:58:08.000 Sure.

00:58:08.000 If you're a senator like Susan Collins, you're running a very narrow race.

00:58:11.000 Honestly, calling a witness to make sure that we retain a Republican majority in the Senate seems like not a terrible idea to me.

00:58:17.000 Yes, and I would agree with you on all those fronts, except for the fact that we are still talking about a general American public who actually believe, my god, Christine Blasey Ford's claims because the media moves on.

00:58:27.000 So they would have claimed the investigation.

00:58:28.000 We're talking about Mueller, a victory, and moved on.

00:58:32.000 Most people have no idea that half of the Kavanaugh accusers just recanted.

00:58:36.000 The media just moves on.

00:58:37.000 So I do think that that is something to take into account.

00:58:40.000 There is this unholy amalgamate of media in D.C.

00:58:43.000 that we haven't dealt with before.

00:58:45.000 I agree with all of that.

00:58:45.000 Of course, I agree.

00:58:46.000 I just I don't love the logic that since everybody sucks, it's not in our hands anyway. 0.97

00:58:51.000 So nuke it. 0.97

00:58:52.000 Okay, Ben Shapiro, hold that thought.

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00:58:56.000 We have Ben Shapiro on hold.

00:58:57.000 For those who want to see the rest of the interview, I think we're going to talk Oscars more with Ben.

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00:59:03.000 You can watch the full interview, full show at BlazeTV.

00:59:06.000 We'll be right back after this.

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00:59:11.000 Yeah, I notice he's definitely a totally talented black guy.

00:59:24.000 Yeah, he is. 0.99

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01:01:36.000 🎵Music🎵 That was called the revisiting the Greg Luganis stands.

01:02:08.000 A lot of people may not remember, but by the way, accidental interview of Ben Shapiro.

01:02:13.000 You only know this because you watch the show.

01:02:15.000 I guarantee you did not know. 0.98

01:02:17.000 I guarantee you that your niche of study was not gay divers who filled the Olympic pool with AIDS. 0.95

01:02:24.000 I'm proud of it.

01:02:26.000 For people who don't know, Greg Louganis, he was a diver.

01:02:27.000 Have you ever tried that, where you dive off?

01:02:29.000 By the way, WebEx did an interview with Ben Shapiro.

01:02:31.000 No, I can't swim.

01:02:32.000 You cannot swim.

01:02:34.000 Okay, let me ask you a real question.

01:02:35.000 I can't swim, okay.

01:02:36.000 Because a lot of people think we're joking about this.

01:02:38.000 It was a racist joke. 0.99

01:02:38.000 Your dad obviously looks far more black than you do. 0.99

01:02:42.000 That's true. 0.99

01:02:42.000 And then you have other relatives who are full black. 0.99

01:02:44.000 Oh yeah, they're full black. 0.97

01:02:46.000 What's the swimming... Did they learn to swim later?

01:02:50.000 I have a couple that cannot swim at all.

01:02:51.000 Really?

01:02:52.000 Yeah.

01:02:52.000 So there's some truth.

01:02:53.000 I don't know why.

01:02:54.000 I guess it's a cultural thing.

01:02:56.000 My dad actually doesn't like water at all.

01:02:59.000 Really?

01:03:00.000 He doesn't like any of us to be around water.

01:03:01.000 He just has like a fear of it for some reason.

01:03:03.000 Wow.

01:03:03.000 I mean it's like a deep-seated thing.

01:03:05.000 I'm learning so much about you.

01:03:07.000 Your father is afraid of water and you have relatives who do not swim.

01:03:11.000 And this is a cultural thing.

01:03:13.000 AudioWade, do you know anyone in your direct family who is not capable of swimming as a grown adult?

01:03:17.000 No.

01:03:18.000 No, I don't.

01:03:18.000 No, it'd be a rarity.

01:03:20.000 It'd be a strange thing.

01:03:21.000 Like if there'd be someone at a pool party who, let's say at a barbecue, and there's just one white guy, you're like, oh no, that's Ed, he can't swim.

01:03:27.000 You're like, but he's 28!

01:03:28.000 No!

01:03:30.000 He can't swim. 0.94

01:03:30.000 Well yeah, we took my brother, my adopted brother, and he's black. 0.94

01:03:35.000 We took him on a canoe trip, and he had the, like, the waders on and everything, and then... Wow. 0.92

01:03:39.000 I'm not, I'm not sh**ing you, okay?

01:03:42.000 One minute off of, push off of the side, they flip the boat, and he's... Panicking? 0.91

01:03:47.000 He's panicking.

01:03:48.000 He didn't know how to swim at all.

01:03:49.000 We're like, stand up, stand up, and he's freaking out, and then he just stands up.

01:03:53.000 Well, I've told the story before where, about certain death, tipping over in a kayak, and it's one of those old kayaks that wasn't open.

01:04:00.000 No, no, he was out.

01:04:01.000 He got out, he was just floating down.

01:04:02.000 Yeah, it was an open-faced canoe, so it's just, you know, He just needed someone to teach him how to swim.

01:04:08.000 These are interesting things.

01:04:10.000 Are we supposed to be color blind?

01:04:11.000 Are we supposed to be swim disabled blind?

01:04:16.000 I mean, it sticks out to us. 0.97

01:04:18.000 And by the way, on the flip side, it also sticks out to us that young black kids, far faster than young white kids. 0.55

01:04:23.000 That's true.

01:04:23.000 When I was- That's a possibility.

01:04:25.000 We would go to the local mall, I believe it was in St.

01:04:27.000 Clair Shores, when we lived in Michigan, and I'd be walking, you know, about two and a half, and I'd have fists in my mouth, and the kids would be deking me out, and they'd be faking me, and they'd be shucking and jiving, and I'd be like, and my parents would be like, is our kid retarded? 0.86

01:04:39.000 No, I'm just white.

01:04:40.000 I was not nearly as physically coordinated.

01:04:42.000 Just caucasian. 0.98

01:04:43.000 But they still wear floaties.

01:04:45.000 That's true.

01:04:45.000 So it evens out.

01:04:46.000 That's my point.

01:04:46.000 There's a life budget, and no one is better or worse than the other, we just have different strengths.

01:04:52.000 I'm a pretty good swimmer.

01:04:56.000 Lest you think that .1% Sub-Saharan African from my 23 and me might make it a challenge, it is not.

01:05:03.000 I break down the racial barriers, okay?

01:05:07.000 Alright, so I do want to talk about, we talked about this a little bit earlier, and I sent out this tweet.

01:05:11.000 About don't buy a new car ever.

01:05:14.000 And some people got really upset about it.

01:05:15.000 Some people would tweet me back and say, well, I bought a new car, and it's way less maintenance and better mileage.

01:05:20.000 Come on.

01:05:21.000 You can buy a used Fiesta, right?

01:05:25.000 You don't need to get a new Prius with two giant non-recyclable batteries.

01:05:28.000 But I did have this conversation recently with someone who was a friend of mine who has had some trouble with, not trouble, but hasn't been super responsible with finances.

01:05:35.000 And I talked to him about the idea of buying a new car versus used car.

01:05:39.000 He had purchased a new car.

01:05:40.000 And when I explained to him the depreciation, and I explained to him why it's not a good investment, why a car actually is not an investment at all, it's a depreciating asset, he actually sat there and said, wow, I can't believe that I didn't know this.

01:05:52.000 And it was very helpful for him.

01:05:54.000 And this is something that I want to get to.

01:05:56.000 All of us have an area, I'm not saying I'm an expert in finance at all, but this was just imparting some wisdom that no one had ever even attempted to with someone like this.

01:06:04.000 I think a lot of you out there probably know that a lettage that you shouldn't be buying a new card depreciates 30%

01:06:08.000 when you roll it off the lot.

01:06:09.000 But a lot of the time we have this knowledge that we keep to ourselves and we may not even realize that we are doing

01:06:16.000 it.

01:06:16.000 There are a multitude of ways that we can help those around us directly.

01:06:21.000 And I think this is super important for people to think about because as conservatives, as small government free

01:06:26.000 enterprisers, we don't want the government coming in and solving our problems.

01:06:29.000 That means that we need to take more personal responsibility and be more compassionate, be more helpful to those around us.

01:06:35.000 And something that I have learned in being around some of the best in their field on this show.

01:06:41.000 And even whether you like them or not, but we've had George St.

01:06:44.000 Pierre, the best.

01:06:45.000 Daniel Cormier has been on the show multiple times, the best.

01:06:47.000 Brian Shaw, five times world's strongest man, the best.

01:06:50.000 We've had Thomas Sowell, the best as far as writing.

01:06:54.000 Something that I have noticed with people who are very good at something, accomplished people, typically, not always, but accomplished people help other people accomplish.

01:07:04.000 In other words, when I talk with these people off air and I say, man, how do you do that?

01:07:08.000 Or how do you hit that low single when I was talking with one of the fighters?

01:07:12.000 Oh man, I'll show you!

01:07:13.000 They get excited at teaching people something, at helping somebody.

01:07:16.000 Man, how do you learn to do research that way?

01:07:19.000 Oh, let me show you how I do it.

01:07:20.000 It's actually a process that's pretty simple.

01:07:23.000 I've run into this consistently.

01:07:25.000 People who are accomplished are not only willing but often enthusiastic about and looking for people to request their assistance in accomplishing.

01:07:37.000 Accomplished people help people accomplish.

01:07:41.000 And I say this also in the general sense.

01:07:42.000 I don't just mean someone who's accomplished, you know, we have professional athletes or Pulitzer winners here on this show.

01:07:48.000 I do mean this in the general sense.

01:07:49.000 If you are accomplished in any area, it is your duty to share it.

01:07:55.000 I don't mean be a know-it-all, but I mean if you know that you could help someone with some advice, if you could help them with some coaching, I don't know what it is.

01:08:03.000 If you find something that you believe is a gift that has improved your life, it could even be as simple as that.

01:08:10.000 Something that's improved your life and you know would improve the lives of others, it is your duty to share it.

01:08:17.000 It's your duty to impart wisdom.

01:08:18.000 So people often wonder, I get this request like, why do you talk about, I talk about jiu-jitsu a lot in the show, or another one, the film The Edge.

01:08:25.000 I've talked about it quite a bit.

01:08:26.000 Well, let me explain to you why.

01:08:28.000 Not only because it's something that I know, but with Brazilian jiu-jitsu that I've been doing for a long time, I started when I was a kid, when I learned it, I had spent years doing things that didn't work. 0.98

01:08:38.000 I was bullied, got my ass kicked as a kid.

01:08:40.000 I went to the karate schools and the Kung Fu and the Krav Maga and the ball shot self-defense at the YMCA. 0.98

01:08:46.000 None of it worked.

01:08:46.000 We all know.

01:08:47.000 That stuff doesn't work.

01:08:47.000 Okay?

01:08:48.000 Then when I learned basic Judo, which is what I started with, with a communist Romanian instructor.

01:08:53.000 It was great.

01:08:54.000 He was a great, great competitor, but we just avoided talking about the Eastern Bloc.

01:09:00.000 When I learned from him, I applied it.

01:09:03.000 And it worked right away.

01:09:05.000 And the reason I talk about this quite a bit is because I remember that experience where I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, what, what is this?

01:09:10.000 All this time?

01:09:12.000 Why doesn't everybody know this?

01:09:14.000 I went down to the made-up martial art where some guy at the community center called it Aikikai Jujitsu-do, so he could give himself a ninth-degree black belt, and I wasted money and years of my life.

01:09:24.000 And there's, this is so simple, I've learned it in six months.

01:09:28.000 And it works?

01:09:29.000 Why doesn't everybody know this? 1.00

01:09:31.000 Why isn't everybody aware of the bullshit that's out there? 0.99

01:09:35.000 That's why I talk about it. 0.99

01:09:36.000 Because it was a revelation for me.

01:09:38.000 And I think I would be doing you a disservice to not talk about it.

01:09:42.000 Same thing with my favorite film.

01:09:43.000 I talked about this quite a bit.

01:09:44.000 The Edge.

01:09:44.000 Okay?

01:09:45.000 Now, here's the deal with The Edge.

01:09:46.000 Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin.

01:09:47.000 Fantastic film.

01:09:48.000 You saw it, Audio Wade.

01:09:49.000 You've seen it, Court of Black Carrot?

01:09:49.000 You liked it.

01:09:50.000 I've seen it.

01:09:51.000 You have seen it?

01:09:52.000 Okay.

01:09:52.000 Did you like it as well?

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 Now, I'm not saying it's the best film or it needs to be your favorite.

01:09:55.000 I'm not saying it's Citizen Kate.

01:09:57.000 But, Citizen Kane, it sounded like I said Cade.

01:10:00.000 Loden King Cade.

01:10:00.000 Cade, yeah.

01:10:01.000 Remember where that's from?

01:10:03.000 Chubby Rain.

01:10:04.000 The aliens make the rain chubby. 0.52

01:10:05.000 Name that movie line and you'll get a free t-shirt.

01:10:07.000 I'm not saying that it's Citizen Kane.

01:10:08.000 I'm not even saying that it's Chinatown, which is a better film than Godfather.

01:10:11.000 Again, I say that because everyone loves to praise Godfather.

01:10:14.000 I think it will help you for me to make you aware of which film was better.

01:10:18.000 But I do tell people this when people ask why I'm so enthusiastic about The Edge.

01:10:22.000 Go watch The Edge by David Mamet, who's also a conservative, wasn't at the time when he wrote it.

01:10:27.000 And aside from one portion of green screen in that film, and that was because they used an actual bear and shot it pragmatically, but there was one scene that was pretty difficult to do, so there's one scene where, okay, I'll grant you it looks a little bit chintzy, you can see the green screen, but outside of that, because I know I'll get comments on that, find me one fault with that film.

01:10:46.000 That's not the film that I would say on paper, oh my gosh, this is a technical wonder.

01:10:51.000 But it is so good and nobody talks about it.

01:10:55.000 That's why I talk about it.

01:10:56.000 I remember when I bought the DVD, it was in a bargain bin, I was in Toronto with my father on a business trip.

01:11:03.000 We had just seen Chicken Run at the movie theater, and then I saw The Edge in a bargain bin for $4.99.

01:11:07.000 My dad said, oh, that was pretty good.

01:11:09.000 I saw that with your mom.

01:11:10.000 He knew that I liked Anthony Hopkins, so I said, okay, I'll buy it.

01:11:13.000 I put it, I popped it in.

01:11:14.000 Actually, this might have been a VHS back then.

01:11:16.000 Popped it in, watched it, and when it finished, I said, why isn't everybody talking about this film?

01:11:22.000 Why doesn't everybody know?

01:11:23.000 It's such a good film, and nobody lists it in the recommendations.

01:11:26.000 And if you know anyone who's seen the film, when you ask them about it, they go, oh yeah, that was a good movie.

01:11:30.000 The same principle here applies to how all of us have something, and it may not be the edge, it may not be Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but something that has dramatically improved our lives.

01:11:42.000 Now, I've talked myself, of course, Christ, God, my faith, family.

01:11:45.000 That's why I talk about it.

01:11:46.000 That's why Christians often are blamed for proselytizing.

01:11:49.000 I like Christians, or I like people who are religious, just not when they're preachy.

01:11:53.000 Here's the thing, they're sharing it because it's improved their life immeasurably, more than any other decision that they've made.

01:12:00.000 You may not agree with them, you may not find yourself being a person of faith, but I don't understand how we can blame people for that.

01:12:08.000 Even if someone wants to convert me to, I don't know what it is, Jehovah's Witnesses, it could be Mormonism, it could be Scientology.

01:12:14.000 I've had people come on and do that and guess what?

01:12:16.000 I appreciate it because they feel that it's improved their life.

01:12:19.000 And then I can be the judge as to whether or not that's accurate.

01:12:22.000 Now one thing when I tell you this, I'm not talking about going out there when I'm saying sharing and impart wisdom.

01:12:26.000 I'm not talking about being judgy.

01:12:29.000 I'm not talking about telling everybody what they're doing wrong and looking for an opportunity to scold because there's some people like that.

01:12:36.000 I've had them in my Bible study and I immediately kicked them out.

01:12:39.000 Even though I don't run the Bible study.

01:12:42.000 They're usually quite pissed.

01:12:44.000 But!

01:12:45.000 Again, this is why people share their faith, this is why I talk about jiu-jitsu, this is why I talk about films like The Edge, and this is what I want you to do.

01:12:50.000 I want you to think about what it is that has improved your life, wherever you are right now.

01:12:54.000 Take a minute, think about it.

01:12:56.000 Think about something that maybe you sort of think of as this, I guess, open secret, for lack of a better word.

01:13:03.000 Take a second, pause this if you have to, if you're listening on audio, congratulations, you are a miracle, because everyone mostly watches this on YouTube, but I hope you're pausing and listening.

01:13:11.000 If you're in your car, keep your eyes on the road.

01:13:14.000 Whatever it is for you, by the way, I want to see your comments.

01:13:16.000 Let me know what it is.

01:13:16.000 Comment.

01:13:18.000 What has improved your life so dramatically, so monumentally, that it's altered the course of who you are, and it's something that a lot of people don't know about?

01:13:30.000 Or maybe it's just something that somebody you know, who's in your personal circle of friends, doesn't know about.

01:13:36.000 Like somebody buying a new car.

01:13:39.000 When they're strained for cash.

01:13:42.000 What is it?

01:13:42.000 Think about it.

01:13:43.000 What has improved your life?

01:13:44.000 What do you know that somebody in your life does not know?

01:13:48.000 How can you help someone?

01:13:50.000 What is your secret?

01:13:51.000 What's your rush more, Max?

01:13:54.000 Then it's your duty to share it.

01:13:56.000 This week, go out, share it with at least three people.

01:14:00.000 This is how we start the fix to student loans, to fatherless households, to the economic problems that we face in this country.

01:14:07.000 Division, it all starts with helping folks that you know.

01:14:10.000 If you know something and it can help people, it is your responsibility to share it.

01:14:17.000 Let me know how it works out.

01:14:18.000 I want to see a bunch of you in the comments section.

01:14:19.000 All right, I'll see you next week, but not Thursday on Sunday, February 9th, because it's the Oscar livestream.

Louder with Crowder - January 31, 2020

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