Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani joins the show to discuss the latest in the Trump vs. Bloomberg debate and why he thinks Michael Bloomberg is a better candidate than Donald Trump. Plus, the usual nonsense. Guests: Former mayor Rudy Giuliani; former mayor Michael Bloomberg; former White House Chief of Staff and current hedge fund manager Gerald Morgan A. Morgan; former first lady Michelle Obama; former Vice President Joe Biden; former vice president Joe Biden. Thanks to callers and for the questions and suggestions. Wine of the day: Beringer's Cabernet Sauvignon.
00:03:20.000We get that you have to, you know, get your face, your teardrop, and you have to off somebody, but could you just, could you give it a little panache?
00:03:57.000Which brings me to my question of the day.
00:03:59.000Bloomberg, obviously, if you watch the debates, I almost didn't want to talk about him today because he might be done, but then I thought you all want to know why he's done.
00:04:06.000So what are your thoughts on Michael Bloomberg?
00:04:08.000What do you think the chances are for Bloomberg?
00:04:10.000And how do you think he compares to Donald Trump?
00:05:02.000Well, from now on in the contract, he doesn't know what it's like to catch a predator, where he walks outside and then he gets mobbed by a cop.
00:05:57.000Something, something or other, you're p***y. Now, that being said, in the spirit of full disclosure and trying to be balanced with the patriarchy, with this one, it seems absurd.
00:14:47.000You know what it is, when you look at that, if we can bring that back up, it's the brow ridge, it's the angle of the nose, and then it's the flat lip, but the haircut is just, she gave us a gift.
00:14:56.000It's not genetic, that's just a cheap salon.
00:16:43.000We get that you have more money than God, but listen to someone other than you, this is a bad idea!
00:16:50.000Going on with the black guy from Kimmy Schmidt and the dinosaur tale is not going to play well with anywhere other than these four people in this off-off-Broadway production.
00:21:45.000Again, I want to know what you guys think.
00:21:47.000Is he the same kind of billionaire as Donald Trump?
00:21:49.000Why do people see Donald Trump as a billionaire who's of the people, a little more in touch, and Mike Bloomberg as someone who is completely, totally out of touch?
00:21:57.000I think it's because of exactly the kind of behavior that we've seen from Bloomberg the last two weeks.
00:22:36.000No one would be ready for the insinuation that your dad plotted to murder JFK!
00:22:41.000I don't know if he's a genius, or it's just a little bit of a Chauncey Gardner effect, but it worked for him, as opposed to Bloomberg, who's just spending all of his own money.
00:22:48.000Donald Trump actually had some donors.
00:25:37.000Thank you for correcting and taking it incredibly literally.
00:25:41.000When Gerald is buying his Black and Milds, he goes and gets a Big Gulp, and the Big Gulp has changed over time.
00:25:46.000But on the legal point, there's clearly, everyone attacked this on the left, the right, because either it wasn't enough, it wasn't specific enough, how are you going to say what the type of drink is, the specific thing that we're involved with, but then you're actually contributing to more problems because now people are just buying multiple packs of drinks, they're going in and buying multiple cups, so instead of one larger cup, less.
00:26:27.000This is a perfect example of the unintended consequences in giving all of your rights over to the government.
00:26:32.000If you declare everything to be a constitutional right, like they do in Germany, I don't think they have the same constitution that we do, but they declare Internet a right.
00:35:00.000So he was telling me about what people don't realize is that you eliminate the choices.
00:35:04.000Once you move to a centralized system, you naturally drive out of the market any of the private options.
00:35:09.000And so there become less and less and less, and those that are available are more and more expensive.
00:35:12.000So when you have a 95-year-old who says, I would like to get treatment, he may not even have the option to go pay for it within his own nation.
00:35:20.000So a lot of the wealthy in these Scandinavian nations and other nations with socialized medicine, they will fly to the United States and get care because we still have the option to buy it.
00:35:29.000So what people say is they go, well, you know, at that point, sure, the central government isn't going to pay for it, but they'll have other options.
00:35:35.000But once you've implemented this system, there is no market to keep the private option available.
00:35:39.000And it's so odd that he picked prostate cancer in a 95-year-old as an example.
00:35:43.000So I get 95, you're doing pretty well.
00:35:45.000I have a grandmother-in-law who's 96 and she's doing really well.
00:35:48.000What if people who live to 110, 111, I think oldest person is 112, all the time.
00:35:54.000So, prostate cancer is a very slow-moving cancer, it's a very treatable cancer.
00:35:57.000What if that guy is one of those people who treats the prostate cancer and drinks a glass of wine every day to the day he dies and lives to 112?
00:37:21.000And my mom ended up getting one, I think, within about seven or eight months, because in a lot of these socialized systems, if you have cash, you can find a doctor.
00:37:28.000But the Supreme Court in Canada, Chauvi versus Quebec, have talked about this quite a bit.
00:37:32.000It didn't happen until after I moved away, actually declared it a violation of human rights, not civil rights, because it was entirely socialized.
00:37:39.000You were not allowed to have private insurance at that point, or you couldn't rather pay cash to a doctor.
00:37:44.000Let's say you were dying, you had cancer, and you wanted to pay for alternative treatment, or you just didn't want to wait.
00:37:49.000You weren't allowed to pay for a doctor.
00:37:51.000There was a doctor named Chawi who decided to compassionately take care of these patients, right?
00:37:55.000Then he was put out of business because that was illegal.
00:37:58.000The Supreme Court ruled it a violation of human rights, I believe in 2005, to force patients
00:38:04.000who are effectively on death row into the waiting lines of socialized healthcare
00:38:09.000if they want to pay for their own healthcare.
00:38:13.000So now they have what they call super hospitals, or as we know them in the United States, hospitals.
00:38:32.000You can go and see what the solution is every single day.
00:38:34.000The next thing is, why are they constantly running to pushing everybody onto a program where the absolute end result is you don't get to decide about your healthcare anymore?
00:38:43.000You are no longer the person in charge of what happens for yourself.
00:38:45.000It's about the ends justifying the means, right?
00:38:54.000When have you ever actually heard Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren say, we would have better care?
00:38:58.000They say it might be cheaper, they say it'll be less complicated, you won't have to deal with insurance companies, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans actually want people to keep their insurance plans.
00:39:07.000They always argue it's the right thing to do, not that it's going to be better quality of care.
00:39:10.000Right, because dealing with the government has proven easier than dealing with insurance companies, right?
00:40:38.000What about the Democrats surprisingly endorsing Bloomberg?
00:40:41.000Surely they must believe in his ideas.
00:40:44.000They like the Liza Minnelli tracksuit that he wears.
00:40:47.000Maybe, but it also doesn't hurt Bloomberg that the three House Democrats supporting him received $8.9 million from him in the 2018 midterms.
00:41:07.000Dinesh D'Souza did hard time for, I think, giving five grand to a friend of his running for a Senate seat that didn't even win.
00:41:14.000He's walking around with an ankle bracelet having a blow in his Nissan to make sure that he can go down to the store to get a gallon of milk.
00:41:20.000This guy's giving 8.9 million dollars to people endorsing him on a national platform.
00:41:34.000Yes, so will I. He'll pay anyone with 1,000 to 100,000 followers on Twitter or Instagram $150 for an endorsement, which begs the question, how much for a million or 5 million YouTube subscribers?
00:41:46.000You can reach out at info at ladderwithpedder.com.
00:43:39.000Blatant, just wanton disregard for the Constitution or parameters of appropriate limited government.
00:43:44.000I don't think Bloomberg has any understanding, because he's so wealthy, he's such an elitist, he's surrounded by yes-men, he has been for so long that he doesn't understand that he's not a king, that he shouldn't be in charge of these issues.
00:43:54.000And by the way, let's compare this to President Donald Trump, when people say, well, he's a billionaire, so he's a dictator.
00:46:14.000Whenever you allow the government to step into the realm of no longer rights, what are rights?
00:46:18.000They're enshrined in the Constitution.
00:46:20.000Freedom of speech, freedom of self-preservation, freedom from unwarranted search and seizure.
00:46:24.000But goods and services, like drinks, like healthcare, like...
00:46:28.000Yeah, even drinking water being filtered and piped to your tap.
00:46:31.000When you allow the government to have complete control over goods and services, they can take them away, and you end up with 12-ounce soft drinks, which we all know are not satisfying, and some might argue, more importantly, death panels.
00:46:44.000This has been this week's What a Piece of Sh**.
00:46:47.000Alright, I need to go find Hillary Clinton's Diazepam pen and stab myself because I have
00:50:36.000This is one of the, it's very rare that we get to interview, or I get to interview, you're not interviewing, someone who was person of the year.
00:50:42.000Person of the year, and rightfully person of the year.
00:50:45.000Not like that Hitler who rigged the voting a long time ago.
00:50:52.000Well, he was actually pretty important in my formative years politically, because we started a family tradition of going to New York City for Thanksgiving every year.
00:51:00.000The very first year we went was after 9-11, and we went down to Ground Zero.
00:51:04.000And so I learned all about our next guest.
00:51:06.000You can follow him on the Twitter, at Rudy Giuliani.
00:51:09.000His website, I want to make sure I get this right, is RudyGiulianics.com.
00:51:52.000And it's funny because... I just did it halfway, you know, sleepwalking, but it was... I've gotten more attention for that and some of my Saturday Night Live appearances, particularly dressing up as an Italian grandmother.
00:52:34.000But now it's just, now you're appropriating.
00:52:36.000Apparently cross-gender culture is a culture that we can appropriate.
00:52:40.000So I apologize that you had to go through that.
00:52:43.000We'll have a PTSD counselor emailing you soon.
00:52:47.000There's so much going on, but obviously we were just talking about Mike Bloomberg running for president.
00:52:53.000And I hate to ask you about another guy, but there's obviously a lot at play there.
00:52:55.000A dynamic you being mayor and then him being mayor.
00:52:58.000He's taking some fire right now for what they're saying are racially charged comments he made regarding the stop and frisk policy.
00:53:05.000I wanted to ask you first, how do you feel about him trying to walk this back now, even though it was an effective tool in the war against COVID?
00:53:13.000I don't buy into the racially charged or I know Mike.
00:53:18.000Probably I'm the person, I'm one of the people that knows the two men better than any person knows the two of them separately.
00:54:35.000His program was found to be unconstitutional and he says he inherited his program from me and Bill Bratton and Howard Safer and Bernie Carrick.
00:55:52.000The Justice Department wanted to sue us.
00:55:54.000The Eastern District of New York wanted to sue us.
00:55:56.000And I asked for a meeting with the then Attorney General Janet Reno and her deputy Eric Holder, and I myself argued the case.
00:56:04.000And I spent two hours and I showed them that there was not a single constitutional question with it, that the statistics were all perfectly normal.
00:56:14.000Yes, we were searching mostly African-American males, but in the exact percentage in which They were reported as the people who committed the crimes.
00:56:23.000In other words, race wasn't determining who we searched.
00:56:27.000Our complainants were determining who we searched.
00:56:29.000And it was basically black people who were turning in other black people.
00:56:34.000So I get a complaint from a black woman that a black male hit her in the face.
00:56:50.000Now, I would have done the same thing for them if they had asked me to represent them, but because I'm a great lawyer, but I would have had, I would have had a difficulty getting around that.
00:57:46.000There's also gonna be no Constitution.
00:57:49.000Yeah, that's a little bit of a problem.
00:57:51.000It seems to me that we should be starting off with a jumping-off point of, well, let's get rid of crime from the community.
00:57:56.000And so if your arc starts that way, it might be a little different.
00:58:00.000You have to get rid of crime, but you also have to understand that we do make a trade-off.
00:58:05.000We make a trade-off for certain rights that we're not gonna violate, even if it might be more effective in reducing crime.
00:58:13.000I mean, if we didn't have the Fifth Amendment and we required everybody to tell us everything about themselves, we'd probably solve more crimes.
00:58:20.000But we have a Fifth Amendment so people can protect themselves.
00:58:22.000I have an aunt who acts like- Tradeoffs in a civilized society.
00:58:25.000Yeah, I have an aunt who you can maybe speak with as a lawyer, as a constitutional lawyer, who doesn't understand the Fifth Amendment because she feels the need to tell me everything all the time, including the regularity of her bowel movements.
00:58:36.000I was gonna say, you know what, talk with Rudy, he can set you straight.
00:58:40.000Let me ask you, what do you think the chances are, before we move on to sort of the Ukraine and impeachment, obviously, what do you think the chances are for someone like Bloomberg, since you know both him and President Trump, of winning if he adds Hillary to the ticket?
00:58:52.000Also, someone who spent a short amount of time in your home state before she ran, but, you know, she's seen as a New Yorker now.
00:59:00.000Well, I think that Mike would have a very hard time beating the President, just on the merits.
00:59:07.000The President has an outstanding record of reform.
00:59:10.000He's done things that most other presidents haven't done.
00:59:13.000We haven't had an economic boom like this.
00:59:15.000Maybe Reagan, maybe Kennedy, although I think this is bigger and stronger.
00:59:21.000We're a country that's relatively at peace.
00:59:22.000He solved a lot of foreign policy problems.
00:59:25.000We'll put a lot of them in the right trajectory after taking over from a terrible president who had us in subjugation to China.
00:59:34.000And by the way, Joe Biden was the guy negotiating with China.
00:59:37.000I wonder if there's a connection with the fact that he caved in with them all the time, and they were partners with his son, you know, in his private equity fund.
00:59:44.000We're using the term negotiate very loosely.
00:59:46.000If it's a synonym for bend over, sure.
01:00:02.000Now, I don't say there's a connection.
01:00:04.000I can't say there wasn't a connection because nobody's ever investigated it.
01:00:07.000Well that brings me to my next question here, with obviously they've been trying to oust this president for three years.
01:00:12.000They said the day he became president they were going to find a way to get him out of there.
01:00:16.000Did you ever imagine that it would be your mission to collect evidence, as I think we were just talking about before the break, I don't ever want to speak out of turn and I know legally we can get in hot water, so you tell me what we can talk about, but collecting evidence on the Biden-Ukraine- Yeah.
01:00:29.000No, I never, I never thought of that in a million years.
01:00:31.000And I didn't go looking for Biden and we didn't, neither the president nor I, I mean, they say we went to gather dirt on Biden.
01:01:52.000It began, at least, I can take it back to about January of 2016 in the White House, when they had a NSC meeting, National Security Council meeting, staffers.
01:02:05.000The staffers there told three or four Ukrainian prosecutors, three of whom will testify under oath, to gather dirt on Trump, the Trump campaign, and Paul Manafort.
01:02:18.000One of them, possibly, is the same whistleblower, the phony whistleblower who came forward for Adam Schiff three years later.
01:02:27.000Now if this guy was out there trying to take him out, In January 2016, how credible is his garbage, you know, a couple weeks ago?
01:02:53.000And nobody's investigated any of those Obama people.
01:02:56.000Every Trump person gets investigated for You know, not paying a parking ticket on time, and then the guy forgets and they put him in jail for perjury.
01:03:03.000Well, you are notorious for unpaid parking tickets, so we'll scratch that.
01:03:07.000We don't want everyone to know your parking ticket history there, Mr. Giuliani.
01:03:11.000Let me ask you this, to play devil's advocate here.
01:03:13.000My question is, what does the FBI say, to go back to, in sort of blocking these Ukrainian whistleblowers from entering the United States?
01:03:23.000So, these Ukrainian whistleblowers, three or four of them hired a lawyer.
01:03:28.000About a month or two before they came to me and they went to the Justice Department and they presented their case and they directly told them they had evidence of Ukrainian collusion in the election and they had evidence of bribery concerning Joseph Biden.
01:04:43.000It went from Ukraine To Latvia, made out to be a loan, then it went from Latvia to Cyprus, another loan, and then it was distributed to all of the board members, and in the case of Hunter and his partner, they forgot to put the amounts in.
01:05:05.000And when the Ukrainian prosecutor went to get the amounts, he was told that the U.S.
01:05:38.000And nobody's ever asked, was all that money that went to Hunter, was it really a bribe to Joe?
01:05:46.000So he would intervene at the right time to save a crooked $5 billion company, which he did.
01:05:51.000He saved Burisma, which was a crooked $5 billion company, and he got one of the biggest crooks in Ukraine to be able to return because he got the case dismissed on him.
01:06:00.000And what is the son of the vice president doing making millions from one of the biggest crooks in Ukraine when he's our point man there trying to straighten out corruption?
01:06:37.000For those who are not Mud Club members, we're going to continue here on Web Extended.
01:06:39.000Final question before we go to that, though.
01:06:41.000I did want to ask you, as a layman, OK, and I see this and I see Joe Biden and all of us see this footage of him saying this on camera for people who think it's a conspiracy.
01:09:29.000They support veteran causes, but their coffee is better.
01:09:32.000And I do like it when there are companies that support good causes, especially in the coffee industry, because you've got Starbucks, and you've got all these companies who support horrible causes.
01:09:40.000But I would not include a sponsor on this show if their coffee was crappier than Starbucks.
01:12:11.000I believe last go around it was a nine hour stream.
01:12:17.000I'm looking forward to Donald Trump winning, but I'm not looking forward to having to cover a long night of the stream because, you know, the Young Turks melting down is only so funny for so long.
01:12:52.000Three concepts that I think are nearly always misinterpreted, which is really sad, because these three things are inextricably linked, and arguably these are some of the most important concepts To understand and by which to live.
01:13:06.000And we've always talked about this in the show where I hate when things that actually matter are turned into a bumper sticker slogan because people want to sell books.
01:13:15.000And that's why I haven't sold any books.
01:13:39.000These are very important, and a lot of people don't have a grasp of them.
01:13:43.000Not saying that I do, but I've had to learn somewhat in managing 15 people and running a business and having to do a lot of things that I don't want to do.
01:14:13.000I get that people like how it sounds and Oprah uses it for her book club when she puts herself on the cover of the magazine every single month.
01:14:30.000Now, like many things that are powerful and useful, if mismanaged or given an inappropriate amount of sway over your decisions, fear can be crippling.
01:14:42.000See, fear is, and it should be, by the way, a variable that you use, that you include in making an informed decision.
01:14:51.000You do not let fear dictate your decisions.
01:15:51.000But I was really tired, and when they sat me down, my team here, and they said, hey, listen, we have some new info here that we don't think this is very safe.
01:16:02.000I don't want to go to a Virginia gun rally, and I don't want to have to dress up in Skylar Turdengarb and be around a bunch of people who hate me.
01:16:32.000And the reason I tell you this story is not at all to boast or to beat my own drum.
01:16:36.000I tell you that to To hopefully help you understand that by nature, even though you often see me publicly and, you know, I'm considered maybe a little bit bold, rash, as the kids might say, I'm naturally a very fearful person.
01:16:53.000But I keep it in check as best I can with two other very important variables, and that's willingness and discernment.
01:17:02.000I had to be willing to do something that was uncomfortable And I had to be able to discern whether I was making a decision based out of fear.
01:17:10.000So you've heard the phrase, exhaustion makes cowards of us all.
01:17:44.000And the person who ignores that truth is a fool.
01:17:47.000The tough guy who acts like he always has it under control, the guy who's, you know, this false sense of machismo and nothing scares me, he's a liar.
01:18:00.000But in knowing that fear and exhaustion will turn me into a coward, and by the way, through high school, through all my early life having been dominated by fear, I have decided, I made a decision, I remember when I made this decision as an adult, that I won't let fear dictate my decisions.
01:18:18.000I can surpass my fears through a premeditated spirit of willingness.
01:18:22.000I assume, and I want everyone to do this, I assume that I'll be tired.
01:19:42.000Well, then we find ourselves, all men.
01:19:46.000Women, too, but right now I'm speaking to a lot of men out there because I know men are often afraid of talking about their fear because they think that it makes them weak.
01:21:43.000It comes down to surrounding yourself with good people, honest people, people who love you, people who you love and you trust to tell you the truth regardless of comfort level.
01:21:52.000So with the Virginia rally, for an example, it turned out to not be that bad.
01:22:36.000Everyone needs someone who will shoot them straight and set them on the right path, a straight and narrow, regardless of comfort level.
01:22:41.000You know what, not only someone, let me take it a step further.
01:22:44.000Not someone, because I don't want you to just think of someone in your life, but all of the people in your life, in your close circle of friends and chosen family.
01:22:52.000You can't choose who your dad or your mom is, but your wife, your husband.
01:22:56.000All of your close circle, the people you trust.
01:22:59.000They shouldn't be in your circle unless they meet this criteria.
01:23:15.000Do you have a colleague who, let's say you were in a situation where you were compromised, beyond recognition, and incapable of objectively making a decision, paralyzed by fear, who do you have in your life who you trust to tell you, in that instance, alright, go here, do that, period, and you would salute and march out.
01:23:35.000Really, I want you to take a moment here and I want you to think about it.
01:23:44.000Because that's the only way that I know how to live with fear and not be dominated by it.
01:23:49.000You need fear, a willingness to live with it, and an understanding of when to respect it, which requires discernment.
01:23:56.000And that can only be achieved, as far as I know, if you have other solutions, let me know, through honest living and the power of your closest loved one's association, the power of association and your confidence.
01:24:08.000If you do this, if you implement it, and if maybe you haven't, you've kicked the can down the road, I want you this week to think of that person, recognize that person, tell them that you recognize them as that person, appreciate them, and then make Everyone else in your circle of friends, that person, or they shouldn't be in your close circle of friends.
01:24:25.000You can still be friendly with them, but you shouldn't have them in your small group.
01:24:29.000You shouldn't be using them to lean on when discussing relationship advice or life-altering decisions.
01:24:34.000You should make every person in your life one of those people.
01:24:39.000When you're down on the scorecards, bleeding, confused, terrified, and you're hearing a voice that you trust with your life, telling you what to do, and you know that you have the willingness to do it, so you do it, period, it is liberating.
01:24:53.000Because you'll never have to ask, what if?
01:24:55.000Win, lose, or draw, if you understand and you learn to master living with fear, a spirit of willingness, and the wisdom of discernment, You will be able to accept the results.