Louder with Crowder - #77 MEXICAN RACISM! Debate with Zack Ford, David Limbaugh and Gavin McInnes | Louder With Crowder

00:00:00.000 You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.

00:00:05.000 Politics.

00:00:06.000 Civility?

00:00:07.000 How about honesty in this country, folks?

00:00:09.000 Entertainment.

00:00:10.000 I don't like entertainment!

00:00:12.000 And a whole bunch of other stuff.

00:00:15.000 It's about having a healthy body image.

00:00:17.000 You have a very unhealthy body.

00:00:18.000 You should have a horrible body image. 0.97

00:00:19.000 Not a big home improvement market image, right?

00:00:22.000 We are definitely going to get letters.

00:00:25.000 You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal. 0.97

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00:00:40.000 June has now been named Louder with Crowder's Official Cultural Appropriation Month.

00:00:45.000 Join us each week as we take you through the world, observing and appreciating the great cultures this globe has to offer.

00:00:53.000 Up this week is the intoxicating, murderous culture of Mexico! 1.00

00:00:58.000 glad to be with you You know what that sound means?

00:01:20.000 It's a different sound, but it's Cultural Appropriation Month.

00:01:23.000 Good time to be alive.

00:01:24.000 I have to get rid of this because I can't get my headphones on with this sombrero.

00:01:27.000 For those watching the live stream, that sound means the sound of...

00:01:30.000 This is impossible.

00:01:31.000 This is almost impossible, Mr.

00:01:32.000 Cholo. 0.91

00:01:33.000 Not Gay Jared Brewsing with me in Video Studio, as always. 1.00

00:01:36.000 It is chaos.

00:01:37.000 You can follow him at NotGayJarred.

00:01:39.000 I fulfill my legal obligations.

00:01:40.000 Draw your own conclusions.

00:01:40.000 Chaos in the studio today.

00:01:42.000 We'll get to Cultural Appropriation Month on the Twitter.

00:01:45.000 Good times.

00:01:46.000 In a couple of seconds.

00:01:47.000 We often stream this for people listening to Terrestrial Leaks.

00:01:50.000 Can you turn down the heat here a little bit on my headphones?

00:01:53.000 For those listening to Wrestling on Radio, on YouTube, but we've been temporarily banned from the YouTube because of one specific we found out, angry liberal at Mashable, who didn't like one of our videos and said it was a violation of copyright, got it removed so we can't stream.

00:02:08.000 So we're doing this on Facebook right now.

00:02:09.000 If you are listening to this or you're anywhere else, I'm winded from those maracas. 0.89

00:02:13.000 It's tiring.

00:02:15.000 That's why they're so small.

00:02:16.000 Facebook.com slash Steven Crowder official.

00:02:18.000 I know not everyone loves the Facebook.

00:02:19.000 We're not huge fans, but we're trying to get it to you free.

00:02:22.000 Online.

00:02:23.000 And this week, in cultural appropriation, a lot of people don't...

00:02:26.000 Well, hold on.

00:02:26.000 Guests.

00:02:27.000 David Limbaugh is going to be on for a reasonable discussion on Never Trump.

00:02:31.000 Is he Never Trump?

00:02:32.000 Where do I line up on the hashtag Never Trump movement?

00:02:35.000 What is a tenable position?

00:02:37.000 And there are a lot of people on both sides with that.

00:02:38.000 And Gavin McInnes will be on.

00:02:40.000 And we're very happy.

00:02:41.000 Zach Ford of ThinkProgress, LGBTQAIP activist.

00:02:45.000 Specialist, as it were.

00:02:47.000 But he's willing to come on and we'll have a debate not only about the new trans laws, he thinks I'm a trans bigot, we'll talk about that, but he's also against disclosure laws, meaning if you have AIDS, he thinks that it's wrong, it's anti-gay for states to create the laws where you have to disclose to someone that you have HIV or AIDS. So, we'll get into that, but I respect him coming on here.

00:03:08.000 Not Gay Jared has a tear tattoo. 0.60

00:03:11.000 See? 0.67

00:03:11.000 Does that mean that you've done some weird stuff? 0.67

00:03:15.000 Stuff I'm not proud of, but I would gladly put it on my face to make sure you know what happened.

00:03:19.000 This is true.

00:03:20.000 Well, it's been crazy.

00:03:21.000 We're streaming.

00:03:22.000 We're good.

00:03:23.000 Good.

00:03:23.000 We finally have it working.

00:03:25.000 Just so people are listening live, we will have to end this live stream a little bit in the midway through and then start again.

00:03:29.000 So just stay on Facebook or wherever you're watching this, ladderworthcrader.com.

00:03:32.000 We appreciate you supporting us.

00:03:33.000 And we are happy to be here.

00:03:35.000 We will fight this Mashable situation, the YouTube situation.

00:03:38.000 For those who wanted an update, we have filed a counterclaim.

00:03:40.000 If Mashable wants to say that our 20-minute video that included 10 seconds of their stupid socialist arguments is not fair use, they can meet us at court in Texas.

00:03:49.000 And by the way, we might even take them to court regardless because we're not able to stream. 0.88

00:03:53.000 We're losing income.

00:03:53.000 This is how Not Gay Jared is paid.

00:03:55.000 And they're just an angry, stupid, fruity little leftist who got mad and said that Gavin McGinnis is saying he doesn't see shot. 1.00

00:04:05.000 But we are streaming. 1.00

00:04:06.000 We are streaming.

00:04:07.000 I don't know what his problem is.

00:04:08.000 He's probably drunk.

00:04:08.000 He's going to be in on the show later.

00:04:11.000 So, since it's Cultural Appropriation Month, new country, new region every single week.

00:04:16.000 That's what you're going to be seeing this week is Mexico.

00:04:19.000 So we want to kick this off just to educate you to learn so you can appropriate is to appreciate a culture.

00:04:24.000 And we appreciate all different cultures here on Ladder with Crowder.

00:04:26.000 So let's give you some Mexico facts.

00:04:28.000 Just to appreciate all the splendor and wonder that is Mexico.

00:04:33.000 Aztecs, I don't know if you know this, not gay, Jared, sacrificed 1% of their population every single year. 1.00

00:04:42.000 1%.

00:04:42.000 Now, that doesn't sound like a lot, like you're thinking tithe 10%, but when it's human bodies, 1% is still pretty significant.

00:04:48.000 Significant.

00:04:49.000 Adds up.

00:04:50.000 Another one we have.

00:04:51.000 34th president of Mexico, little known fact...

00:04:53.000 Served for just 45 minutes before he said, screw this, I'm out.

00:04:57.000 Because it's a lawless land. 0.98

00:04:59.000 I don't mean to vilify an entire nation of people, but Mexico's a horrible place. 1.00

00:05:02.000 There is only one gun shop in Mexico.

00:05:04.000 90% of countries' firearms are actually smuggled in from the USA. Oh, okay.

00:05:07.000 I did not know that.

00:05:08.000 There's a town in Mexico that they use fistfights to summon rain.

00:05:14.000 Learning about Mexico this week, people.

00:05:16.000 Knowledge is power.

00:05:17.000 75% of all sesame seeds grown in Mexico end up in McDonald's burgers.

00:05:22.000 This is a wondrous culture.

00:05:24.000 This is good stuff to know.

00:05:25.000 Mexico City is the most traffic congested city in the world.

00:05:28.000 Here's one.

00:05:29.000 It is estimated that Mexican drug cartels make $152 million per year on avocados.

00:05:35.000 See.

00:05:35.000 Been there.

00:05:36.000 Maybe they need to hook up with Tom Selleck.

00:05:37.000 Hook up with Tom Selleck and see what happens there.

00:05:39.000 All right.

00:05:40.000 We have a lot to get to this week.

00:05:41.000 Hillary Clinton just gave a speech earlier. 0.86

00:05:44.000 If you're listening to this later in archive, she gave a speech and I will say this. 0.93

00:05:48.000 I think the woman is pure evil, but it was blistering. 1.00

00:05:52.000 It was very, very rough, and Donald Trump's comeback was not very good on the Twitter.

00:05:59.000 She had people laughing at him.

00:06:01.000 Everything that we talked about that might be brought up in general, well, this is what's happening.

00:06:04.000 And if you look at the feedback on the speech, don't just go to your conservative websites.

00:06:07.000 Go to the general websites on the web that don't have a leaning one way, and the consensus is pretty clear that Hillary Clinton looked really presidential.

00:06:17.000 She really did some damage to the Donald Trump brand, and she had people just laughing. 1.00

00:06:21.000 She just went through him.

00:06:23.000 It was rough, so we'll see what happens.

00:06:25.000 This is going to show us where we'll be with the election season, the general election season heating up.

00:06:29.000 You know, just acknowledging that, people are going to say you're in bed with Hillary.

00:06:32.000 Just acknowledging it.

00:06:32.000 I know.

00:06:33.000 I tell you what, I definitely do not want Hillary Clinton to win. 1.00

00:06:35.000 No.

00:06:35.000 Let me just say that clearly.

00:06:36.000 But, just like when Donald Trump beat Ted Cruz...

00:06:38.000 It's not good for me.

00:06:39.000 It's not good for me.

00:06:40.000 Either way.

00:06:41.000 It's not good for me and they won't.

00:06:43.000 No.

00:06:44.000 When Ted Cruz lost the primary...

00:06:46.000 Because she is not straight.

00:06:47.000 Well, hold on.

00:06:48.000 We're going to get to the breaks with that.

00:06:49.000 When Ted Cruz lost, we said, hey, good for you, Donald Trump.

00:06:52.000 You won it fair and square.

00:06:53.000 We've always tried to be consistent, congratulate the other guy.

00:06:55.000 It doesn't do anyone any favors to deny reality.

00:06:58.000 Hillary Clinton fired some serious shots over the bow.

00:07:02.000 And if this is the Hillary Clinton who shows up to play in a general, you've got some problems. 0.97

00:07:08.000 You've got some serious problems.

00:07:10.000 Anyone who says she's going to be an easy candidate to take out, do not delude yourselves.

00:07:14.000 You've already said she's the master of the October surprise.

00:07:14.000 This speech...

00:07:17.000 She is the master of the October surprise, and she pulled one out here in June just to get it started.

00:07:22.000 The one thing that she did do that people should monitor is the ridicule. 1.00

00:07:25.000 People really laughing at Donald Trump.

00:07:27.000 She just talked about him being incoherent.

00:07:30.000 She talked about, you know, and she brought up very specific stuff.

00:07:32.000 The defaulting on the debt.

00:07:33.000 All the stuff that was kind of used by other Republicans in the primaries, Hillary Clinton used.

00:07:37.000 And man, I tell you, it looks like it's shaping up to be a rough general election season.

00:07:41.000 I haven't been able to watch the whole thing.

00:07:43.000 I've read the transcript and I've watched the clip, so we won't be playing those yet.

00:07:46.000 We are getting word that it is not live streaming here.

00:07:49.000 I'll double check on it.

00:07:50.000 On the books of the faces.

00:07:51.000 And one thing I do want to talk about this week.

00:07:55.000 Gorilla happened.

00:07:56.000 The gorilla situation.

00:07:59.000 One second here.

00:08:01.000 Okay, we are.

00:08:02.000 So Hillary and Gavin just aren't seeing it.

00:08:03.000 They just aren't seeing it.

00:08:04.000 But we're able to see people, other people are watching it?

00:08:06.000 Yeah, I'm watching it now.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, it's good stuff.

00:08:07.000 It's a good show.

00:08:07.000 I don't know.

00:08:08.000 Oh, Courtney is saying we are live streaming. 0.96

00:08:10.000 So I guess it's just my wife and Gavin who are functionally retarded. 1.00

00:08:13.000 Very possible.

00:08:15.000 Everyone on Twitter is saying it's also not live streaming.

00:08:17.000 I'll double check.

00:08:17.000 So I don't know what's happening.

00:08:18.000 Could just be the card that we have there that's not necessarily working.

00:08:21.000 Courtney, if you're listening to this show live, please go and handle that on Twitter and fix links and let people know where they can find us.

00:08:26.000 So that'll make it easy.

00:08:27.000 This is chaos.

00:08:28.000 This is a horrible, horrible evening.

00:08:30.000 Thanks, YouTube.

00:08:31.000 Thanks, leftists, for making this happen.

00:08:34.000 One thing I did find out before I get into the news of this week and the guerrilla, I found this out speaking with my wife this week, just to give you an idea as to how different cultures can be.

00:08:43.000 I was raised in Quebec, and I was telling my wife a story about all the porno in the video stores in Quebec.

00:08:49.000 Just as a kid, they used to have these swinging Western doors, and I accidentally walked through and was just riddled with pornography, hardcore pornography.

00:08:57.000 And my wife said, well, we don't have porno at any blockbusters in the U.S. or any of the legitimate video stores.

00:09:03.000 I said, what?

00:09:04.000 She said, yeah, it doesn't exist in the United States.

00:09:06.000 You have to go to an adult video store. 0.84

00:09:08.000 I had no idea.

00:09:09.000 At the age of six, I had seen it all, and it was accidental, because I walked through the western swinging doors, which led to the porno in Quebec.

00:09:17.000 You can find breasts and just complete nudity on billboards in Quebec.

00:09:22.000 Hyper-sexualized culture, and it was just one of those things, as a grown man, going on 29 years old, I had no concept of the fact that American children are not just raised being bombarded with pornography at Blockbuster.

00:09:37.000 That doesn't happen.

00:09:38.000 Did you know this?

00:09:38.000 I knew this.

00:09:39.000 Yeah.

00:09:39.000 It must be a special thing when you wake up one day and realize how you thought it was your whole life.

00:09:43.000 It's not how it be.

00:09:44.000 That's not how it is.

00:09:46.000 Hey, speaking of how it be, Dan Rather this week wrote a...

00:09:50.000 We'll talk about this.

00:09:51.000 Dan Rather went after Trump and said that he got a chill down his spine when Donald Trump went after the press.

00:09:55.000 We'll get more into that press attack after the break because that's a whole issue in and of itself.

00:10:00.000 But Dan said this is...

00:10:01.000 Basically, we talked about how it was a really dangerous precedent and he couldn't believe that a presidential candidate was going after the press.

00:10:06.000 Listen.

00:10:07.000 We were just fair where we said Hillary Clinton fired some shots at Donald Trump.

00:10:10.000 I'm not the number one Donald Trump fan out there, and we'll get guff from both sides for me saying that.

00:10:15.000 From Donald Trump, people saying, why aren't you his number one fan?

00:10:17.000 To never Trump, people saying, why are you not saying you hate him?

00:10:21.000 But...

00:10:22.000 Donald Trump's attacks on the press, Mr.

00:10:25.000 Rather, are because of people like you.

00:10:28.000 You were involved in forgeries, left under shame, a cloud of shame.

00:10:34.000 You were the single most dishonest reporter, absolutely in the tank for Democrats.

00:10:39.000 Your entire career, you just happened to get discovered.

00:10:43.000 And Katie Couric this week, editing the gun situation.

00:10:46.000 We talked about it last week.

00:10:47.000 It's only gotten worse.

00:10:48.000 Listen, you may not like Donald Trump.

00:10:50.000 His attacks on the press may be because he has thin skin.

00:10:52.000 I do think he has thin skin.

00:10:54.000 But that doesn't delegitimize his grievances with the press.

00:10:59.000 Dan Rather, you think it's dangerous for someone to say the press might be dishonest?

00:11:05.000 You were involved in the forgeries of documents for a story.

00:11:11.000 For those of you who don't know listening, some kids are too young.

00:11:12.000 They didn't authenticate some documents.

00:11:14.000 We'll bring them up here after the break.

00:11:16.000 You can get into the tech details of it.

00:11:19.000 And then they found not only were they not authenticated, but they were clearly forgeries coming from members of the press themselves.

00:11:25.000 And Dan Rather left under a cloud of shame.

00:11:27.000 And now he's saying this is unbelievable that a candidate might take the press to task.

00:11:31.000 It's because of you, Dan Rather.

00:11:33.000 Tweak me at S. Crowder.

00:11:35.000 Am I taking crazy pills?

00:11:38.000 Whether you're Trump or you're not Trump, the last people who should be speaking about, I can't believe they're attacking the media, is Dan Rather or Katie Couric.

00:11:46.000 My God, we're in Bizarro World, Ladder with Crowder.

00:11:48.000 Stay tuned.

00:11:49.000 I don't understand where it all went so wrong.

00:12:12.000 How could people not believe Hopper?

00:12:14.000 All I wanted was to give everybody a fair chance and all the cheeses.

00:12:20.000 How can they buy the lies of a big squirrel?

00:12:23.000 Don't they understand?

00:12:25.000 The big squirrel will just throw them by the wayside once they get what they want. 0.91

00:12:29.000 As they always do.

00:12:31.000 I know I can't even protect them.

00:12:34.000 Why does Pacey not realize his life decisions are so poor and will lead to only turmoil and pain?

00:12:41.000 Why am I still watching this?

00:12:44.000 I am such a failure. 0.85

00:12:46.000 I am such a failure. 0.85

00:13:05.000 Kaboom! 0.99

00:13:06.000 AR-15.com!

00:13:09.000 Kaboom! 0.99

00:13:10.000 You know, they just heard the three takes.

00:13:12.000 You did three takes.

00:13:13.000 You didn't edit it.

00:13:13.000 They can hear you.

00:13:15.000 Kaboom.

00:13:15.000 Glad to be back.

00:13:35.000 Glad to be back.

00:13:36.000 Courtney stops texting me.

00:13:37.000 My wonderful writer Courtney is texting me.

00:13:39.000 If people want to know what it takes to get to the boiling point, I am at a very slow burn right now.

00:13:45.000 Do not mistake my facade of being jovial for anything other than me possibly reaching out and strangling Not Gay Jared through no fault of his own and shooting through the walls. 0.91

00:13:58.000 If I didn't have hollow points in all the firearms within arm's reach, they won't go through walls.

00:14:03.000 I would load them up with full metal jackets.

00:14:07.000 That's how frustrating tonight is.

00:14:09.000 This week has been.

00:14:10.000 This entire week.

00:14:11.000 But we have great things, big things.

00:14:13.000 We're reinforcing louderwithcrowder.com for people watching, listening, so that all of this stuff will never be lost and we will get the democratic socialism video back up.

00:14:20.000 It was well on its way to a million plays.

00:14:22.000 Hey! 0.99

00:14:23.000 Hey, Jared.

00:14:24.000 Yes.

00:14:25.000 Let's talk about something.

00:14:26.000 Let's talk.

00:14:27.000 I saw today...

00:14:29.000 This is a true story.

00:14:30.000 Then I want to talk about the gorilla situation.

00:14:32.000 I saw today a man, and my wife can corroborate this, who, I don't mean kind of, I walked out of Subway, and this man should have been in a tree making cookies.

00:14:43.000 He looked so much like an elf. 0.50

00:14:45.000 I had never seen anything like it.

00:14:47.000 It was almost like he was trying.

00:14:47.000 Here's the thing.

00:14:49.000 I want to find this man in the future and bring him on the program.

00:14:53.000 He was small, but he wasn't a midget. 1.00

00:14:55.000 He wasn't a little person.

00:14:56.000 He was little, but he wasn't a little person.

00:14:57.000 That's the term you're supposed to use.

00:14:58.000 Kind of like the Keebler cookie guy or whatever?

00:15:00.000 He was short, but he was blonde.

00:15:00.000 That's exactly what he looked like.

00:15:03.000 He had a little beard.

00:15:03.000 He couldn't have been more than 5'1", but he had normal proportions, a little thin, but with big hands.

00:15:09.000 Yeah.

00:15:10.000 He had an Abe Lincoln beard, and he was wearing these kind of bowling-looking shoes.

00:15:14.000 This man looked like an elf.

00:15:15.000 And here's the thing.

00:15:15.000 When I see someone like that, like when you see someone or you go, that person looks like, I don't know, a rhinoceros, or you see someone who looks exactly like an animal, but they're not helping themselves, I don't know why this person doesn't have any friends who go, listen, okay, you look like an elf.

00:15:26.000 Here's a checklist of things not to do.

00:15:28.000 Green.

00:15:29.000 Green.

00:15:29.000 Off limits.

00:15:30.000 High-waisted belts.

00:15:32.000 Pointy shoes.

00:15:33.000 The Abe Lincoln beard without the mustache.

00:15:34.000 That's an elf thing. 0.63

00:15:35.000 You can't do it.

00:15:36.000 You can't pull it off.

00:15:36.000 Complete control over that, too.

00:15:38.000 There's no reason for it.

00:15:38.000 I have never seen anything like it in my life.

00:15:44.000 Speaking of that, so this gorilla situation happened this week at the Cincinnati Zoo.

00:15:48.000 Now, I've been to the Cincinnati Zoo.

00:15:49.000 Actually, one of my first dates when I got engaged to my wife was the Cincinnati Zoo.

00:15:52.000 It's one of the few redeeming qualities of Cincinnati.

00:15:55.000 We don't have any affiliates in Cincinnati.

00:15:57.000 It's okay.

00:15:58.000 And they have a great zoo.

00:16:00.000 And here's what, for those of you who don't know, obviously people know, a child climbed into the gorilla exhibit, gorilla grabbed him, wasn't particularly aggressive, but it's still a gorilla, for crying out loud.

00:16:11.000 It wasn't gentle either.

00:16:12.000 No, it wasn't gentle.

00:16:13.000 Gorillas aren't gentle. 0.89

00:16:14.000 Kind of like gentle for a gorilla, but that's still pretty dang rough.

00:16:18.000 Getting into Bam Bam Flintstone territory.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 And so they shot the gorilla, they killed it, the Cincinnati Zoo.

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:24.000 Outrage.

00:16:25.000 People could not believe this.

00:16:26.000 They were in an uproar about the gorilla.

00:16:28.000 I wrote a piece about it.

00:16:28.000 People asked me.

00:16:29.000 It was very popular this week.

00:16:31.000 A lot of people were mad.

00:16:32.000 I don't really care.

00:16:34.000 This is one of those things.

00:16:36.000 It's one of those issues.

00:16:37.000 I felt the same about Cease of the Line.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, life lost if you can avoid it. 1.00

00:16:41.000 But I would kill a thousand gorillas. 1.00

00:16:44.000 A thousand gorillas to save one human child. 1.00

00:16:47.000 And I wouldn't even be late to dinner.

00:16:49.000 I wouldn't even skip a beat.

00:16:51.000 Okay.

00:16:52.000 And the idea that you get these tweets.

00:16:55.000 You can tweet me at this crowd.

00:16:57.000 You can still keep sending them.

00:16:57.000 They're hilarious.

00:16:58.000 We'll read them online.

00:17:00.000 People tweeting, well, how can you say that about the gorilla?

00:17:02.000 That's heartless.

00:17:02.000 I value all life.

00:17:04.000 However, if at any point it comes down to a human versus an animal, I will side with the...

00:17:08.000 Are you saying that humans are more valuable?

00:17:10.000 Yes.

00:17:11.000 Absolutely.

00:17:13.000 Absolutely.

00:17:14.000 Stop texting me, Courtney.

00:17:15.000 I love you, but I need to get my head straight.

00:17:18.000 And we're going to have a pre-tape here.

00:17:19.000 We're going to have a pre-tape commercial here coming up next, which is great, because then I'll give me a couple seconds to get ready, change outfits, and be professional for David Limbaugh.

00:17:27.000 We'll have a reasonable discussion regarding Donald Trump.

00:17:30.000 It's hard to have a reasonable discussion regarding this gorilla.

00:17:32.000 This was all over the place, and I think it's because it was a slow news week.

00:17:35.000 This and the Katie Couric gun situation were kind of the biggest stories.

00:17:39.000 But we have reached a point, and Joe Rogan talks about this, playing for team people.

00:17:43.000 Where people are so much more outraged over a gorilla being shot.

00:17:47.000 By the way, I was never told the kid was black. 0.94

00:17:49.000 Black family.

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 So there were a bunch of people on Twitter trying to make it a racial situation.

00:17:54.000 You know, oh, no, it was a black family. 0.97

00:17:57.000 And then, of course, you have people on the other side saying, well, why aren't they watching the kids?

00:17:59.000 Listen, I think the parents should be more responsible.

00:18:01.000 Yes.

00:18:02.000 But you lose a kid for just a second and they can go in and there were no barriers.

00:18:06.000 Everyone's looking for someone to blame.

00:18:07.000 They're mad at the zoo.

00:18:09.000 You don't think that people at the zoo...

00:18:10.000 Listen, I have friends who've worked at the zoo.

00:18:13.000 They don't want to kill a gorilla. 0.65

00:18:15.000 And my issue with this, when this story blows up, is everyone is immediately looking for someone to vilify.

00:18:20.000 The people who shot the gorilla, the mother for not being responsible, the kid for not knowing that he shouldn't have gone.

00:18:28.000 You've seen so many accusations being thrown around.

00:18:30.000 Everyone is constantly looking.

00:18:33.000 To shoulder the blame to someone else.

00:18:34.000 And even when it's a gorilla, listen, the gorilla was shot.

00:18:37.000 People were telling me, why don't you, and we're going to get into politics, so I just want to get this cultural stuff off my chest because this is the stuff that keeps me up at night.

00:18:37.000 That's sad.

00:18:44.000 Why didn't they shoot the gorilla with a tranquilizer gun?

00:18:47.000 Let me tell you why.

00:18:48.000 Because it's not gorillas in the mist.

00:18:50.000 I know you watched it at your coffee shop on your laptop a few times.

00:18:53.000 You shoot a gorilla with a tranquilizer in real life.

00:18:56.000 Guess what?

00:18:57.000 That gorilla still has some time on his hands, and they're usually pretty pissed off because you've just put an 8-gauge needle in their chest, and they've got your child in one hand, and nothing but time in the other, and they're pissed off and don't know what to do with it. 1.00

00:19:13.000 So please stop saying stupid things. 1.00

00:19:16.000 Such stupid things. 1.00

00:19:17.000 It's kind of, you know what that's like? 1.00

00:19:19.000 This is a perfect example of people who are entirely uneducated.

00:19:21.000 Here's the deal.

00:19:22.000 I'm not educated on the ways of gorillas.

00:19:24.000 I know a little bit.

00:19:25.000 I've read some books.

00:19:26.000 It was a crappy film.

00:19:26.000 I saw Congo.

00:19:28.000 I saw The Jungle Book with Louie and Christopher Walken.

00:19:30.000 I'm a fan of the giant flat-faced orangutan.

00:19:33.000 I know that I don't know a ton about gorillas.

00:19:35.000 So guess what I don't do?

00:19:38.000 Tell people how to do their job.

00:19:40.000 And you'll see this here when we bring on Zach Ford, who's a leftist, think progress, LGBTQAIP. We have people on here who debate.

00:19:48.000 Anyone who goes to the college shows.

00:19:49.000 I always try and say, okay, okay, let's give you as much ground as possible and me as little as possible to see if we can get to a point here.

00:20:00.000 That's what happened with the gorilla.

00:20:02.000 I'm saying, alright, I believe that they probably know more than me, so they did what they had to do.

00:20:07.000 It's kind of like when people say, well, why didn't you just shoot the intruder in the leg? 1.00

00:20:10.000 You're a stupid person. 1.00

00:20:11.000 Oh, gosh. 1.00

00:20:12.000 You're a very unintelligent person. 1.00

00:20:12.000 Worst thing you do. 1.00

00:20:14.000 This is someone who's clearly never taken a basic firearm safety course.

00:20:17.000 But they are going to put it on themselves to educate everyone regarding their opinion.

00:20:22.000 I am not saying that I would know what to do.

00:20:24.000 If that happened and that baby was in the gorilla pit, I probably would have just...

00:20:28.000 I probably would have...

00:20:29.000 All the gorillas would be gone, and I would be liable, and rightfully, I wouldn't know what to do. 1.00

00:20:33.000 Don't you think a zoo would have maybe thought about these scenarios before they happened?

00:20:38.000 I knew it!

00:20:39.000 A tranquilizer dart!

00:20:41.000 Why didn't I think of that?

00:20:42.000 I almost killed that kid!

00:20:44.000 I had no idea!

00:20:46.000 Thank you, Mr.

00:20:48.000 Gamer84 on Twitter.

00:20:50.000 We should get you here working at the zoo! 0.99

00:20:51.000 What do you think?

00:20:53.000 Just allow that maybe someone else may understand a little more than you before you get outraged and go off half-cocked.

00:20:59.000 Whether it's politics, whether it's guerrillas, whether it's cultural appropriation in my creepy mustache.

00:21:04.000 David Limbaugh, coming up after this break, we'll be talking about Never Trump.

00:21:07.000 Reasonable stuff.

00:21:08.000 Stay tuned.

00:21:09.000 And now for a message from Paco, the friendly homophobes.

00:21:28.000 That's me.

00:21:31.000 Mr.

00:21:32.000 Jimenez! 0.93

00:21:33.000 Jimenez! 0.93

00:21:33.000 Mr. 0.93

00:21:34.000 Paco!

00:21:34.000 Hi.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, can you make sure that you and your guys get the bushes this time?

00:21:38.000 Because last time...

00:21:40.000 You missed them, and I really need to trim the hedges.

00:21:43.000 See, I trimmed the bushes.

00:21:44.000 I'm sorry for the mistake last time.

00:21:46.000 That's fine.

00:21:47.000 Would you or your crew like some Long Island iced teas or Pepperidge Farm cookies?

00:21:52.000 No, it's okay.

00:21:52.000 Nothing I can get you.

00:21:54.000 No, not for me.

00:21:55.000 And even though it's because you're a very nice man.

00:21:59.000 And when I say this, I mean no offense.

00:22:02.000 Because you pay me very well and treat me very much like a professional.

00:22:07.000 But I am not comfortable drinking from your glass or eating from your cooking jar because you are not straight. 0.93

00:22:15.000 Thank you.

00:22:45.000 Thank you.

00:22:47.000 Glad to be back.

00:22:54.000 Glad to have this next guest.

00:22:55.000 First time on the program, though we've been on plenty of other programs together.

00:22:58.000 New York Times bestselling author.

00:23:01.000 You know him.

00:23:02.000 You've seen him on all the TV shows.

00:23:03.000 You've probably read his books.

00:23:04.000 You can follow him on Twitter at David Limbaugh.

00:23:07.000 Mr.

00:23:07.000 Limbaugh, thank you for being with us, sir.

00:23:09.000 Hey, Stephen, how are you?

00:23:11.000 Thanks for having me.

00:23:12.000 I'm doing well, and you have a nice setup there.

00:23:14.000 You've got to be proud of that.

00:23:15.000 I know.

00:23:16.000 It makes him look so smart.

00:23:17.000 I need it behind me.

00:23:18.000 You need books behind me.

00:23:19.000 I need books behind me.

00:23:20.000 That would fix it all.

00:23:20.000 That would help.

00:23:21.000 The great books, too.

00:23:21.000 You know what?

00:23:22.000 How pretentious is this?

00:23:24.000 The great books of the Western world.

00:23:25.000 They're strategically placed there, as if I read them.

00:23:29.000 I was like, can we actually reprint the binding on War and Peace so people can read it?

00:23:35.000 I'll just green screen some books behind me.

00:23:37.000 Is that part of that set?

00:23:38.000 I don't know.

00:23:38.000 It's the book that I would put on there to impress people.

00:23:40.000 I'm kidding.

00:23:40.000 But when I actually used to do hits in Michigan, they would have a green screen and they'd put up a bookcase behind me.

00:23:45.000 And I would say, no, no, do the skyline because I'm not a book guy.

00:23:49.000 It makes you look smarter.

00:23:49.000 They're like, really?

00:23:50.000 I'm like, I don't want expectations.

00:23:52.000 You don't want to be smart.

00:23:53.000 Yeah, yeah, there you go.

00:23:55.000 David Limbaugh, you've written for a long time.

00:23:58.000 I wanted to have you on because you and I have talked about this on Twitter.

00:24:03.000 The Trump situation.

00:24:04.000 I definitely think you're one of the few people out there who has remained consistent, and we've tried to do that with this show, where you're clearly not a fan, you've been critical, but you haven't just tossed your lot in with a hashtag or, I guess, sort of a knee-jerk movement.

00:24:20.000 What What's your stance there?

00:24:21.000 What do you think a conservative right now, in this situation, we're here now, how are they consistent?

00:24:27.000 What's the right position?

00:24:29.000 Well, it's pretty hard to be consistent when you're ambivalent.

00:24:32.000 And I'm a decisive person ordinarily, but I am so ambivalent about this.

00:24:36.000 To the point where if I read a cogent column saying never Trump, advocating never Trump, I go, yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:24:43.000 Hate the SOB. Then the next guy writes something that We can never, if we vote against Trump or we don't vote, then Hillary. 0.97

00:24:52.000 We got Hillary. 1.00

00:24:53.000 She's the worst in the history of the universe, which is true. 0.62

00:24:56.000 And I go, yeah, no way I can ever.

00:24:57.000 And then Trump gets on and I watch him act the way he acts, say something that isn't true.

00:25:03.000 How's that for a euphemism?

00:25:04.000 I just go, no, no, I cannot vote for this guy.

00:25:07.000 But back to taking you back.

00:25:10.000 I started off, when this whole Trump thing started off, I was amused and appreciative of his assault on PC and the establishment.

00:25:20.000 Like most people, I didn't expect him to go very far.

00:25:23.000 And there was no way I was going to ultimately support him.

00:25:27.000 But I defended him because I thought that...

00:25:31.000 points that were necessary to bring up.

00:25:33.000 And I think you would agree.

00:25:35.000 The establishment deserves a lot of what it's got.

00:25:38.000 In fact, I wrote a column in the establishment, Birth Trump.

00:25:41.000 He wouldn't be possible if it weren't for this.

00:25:44.000 I think it's important to define establishment because I have heard some people out there in media just set it up as though at all points, it's Trump versus establishment.

00:25:53.000 I go, hold on, there are a lot of people who don't vote for Trump who are in establishment.

00:25:56.000 Yes, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Eric Cantor.

00:25:59.000 Sure.

00:26:00.000 I wouldn't put Ted Cruz in that camp.

00:26:03.000 Absolutely not.

00:26:04.000 And that's been one of the most frustrating things to me.

00:26:07.000 We have all this angst against the establishment, the power brokers in the Republican Party and the donors and the lobbyists, who have not sufficiently resisted Obama.

00:26:18.000 That's what makes them objectionable.

00:26:19.000 Sure.

00:26:20.000 To whatever extent they're corrupt, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but whatever extent money is involved in that, they are objectionable.

00:26:27.000 And so Obama's the principal enemy.

00:26:30.000 The left is the principal enemy.

00:26:31.000 They've started all this.

00:26:32.000 They've caused the terrible economy and all that.

00:26:35.000 They've caused the acceleration of statism.

00:26:38.000 And so it's the left that's done it, but people are furious at the right for not blowing it back and for Bush contributing to the spending and all that stuff.

00:26:47.000 And so it is great that Trump finally brought those issues to the front.

00:26:54.000 But I am frustrated.

00:26:56.000 He has come along.

00:26:57.000 There was a perfect storm for some constitutional conservative to come along and finally articulate conservative principles unapologetically, and I believe when you do that, those principles can be contagious, and you can take that to victory without deluding your message and without pandering to the center and becoming Right.

00:27:18.000 And I think with Donald Trump, all the things that you just said and the things that I do like about him, he could just as easily maintain all those.

00:27:25.000 I don't think he's a racist.

00:27:26.000 I don't think he's a sexist.

00:27:27.000 I don't think building a wall is racist.

00:27:28.000 None of those attacks bother me.

00:27:29.000 No, no.

00:27:30.000 But I think he could maintain all those things that you talked about and liked.

00:27:32.000 And then I could be on board if I thought he were a constitutionalist.

00:27:36.000 And the public would buy it just as much because they'd accept a constitutionalist destroying PC as much as a populist.

00:27:43.000 Yeah, but Trump comes along and hijacks this whole movement.

00:27:46.000 It was a perfect storm for somebody like Ted Cruz, and we could talk about what went wrong in there.

00:27:51.000 It was a perfect storm for a Reagan-esque constitutional conservative.

00:27:55.000 Instead, we have a guy that comes along and literally steals and co-ops this legitimate angst against the establishment and the left.

00:28:03.000 And yet he is as guilty as some of the establishment people in supporting and enabling the establishment.

00:28:08.000 And he's also leftist ideologically in terms of his instincts.

00:28:12.000 In terms of many of his instincts, he's leftist.

00:28:15.000 So what a paradox.

00:28:16.000 We got a guy that's carrying the torch against the establishment who has enabled it.

00:28:20.000 This is, by the way, not Ted Cruz talking points.

00:28:22.000 This is just the reality.

00:28:23.000 And I don't believe Trump is...

00:28:25.000 I'm not conservative at all.

00:28:27.000 So I'm very nervous about that.

00:28:43.000 Okay.

00:28:44.000 First, the establishment, getting to your point in a circuitous way, I hate the fact that the Trump people lump everyone who is against Trump into the establishment when we are more anti-establishment.

00:28:58.000 The Cruz kind of supporters, we're more anti-establishment than he is.

00:29:01.000 So if they could just be intellectually honest, it'd go a long way toward We're softening our opposition to it.

00:29:07.000 Because one of the problems I have with Trump is some of his rabid supporters.

00:29:11.000 And I know this is going to offend people.

00:29:12.000 They think they can just insult you all over the place, and it's okay, and you're supposed to say, we don't need you.

00:29:17.000 We hate the Constitution.

00:29:18.000 Get out of the way. 0.53

00:29:19.000 Okay, well, no, I'm not going to do that.

00:29:22.000 But by no means are all of Trump's supporters that way.

00:29:25.000 And in fact, I think a lot of that is what we see on Twitter, the most offensive and obnoxious people.

00:29:30.000 But where, now to answer the question in real time, instead of the one you asked me a few times before.

00:29:36.000 I don't think that, I mean, say I'm ambivalent.

00:29:43.000 I just abhor the thought of voting for Trump for so many reasons, but I'm not one of these people who can say to myself and convince myself, deceive myself into believing that not voting doesn't help Hillary.

00:29:58.000 It does help her.

00:30:00.000 So I have a moral obligation to vote for the person who will do the least long-term damage or the least damage however I measure it.

00:30:11.000 And we've all got different yardsticks.

00:30:13.000 And here's what bothers me.

00:30:14.000 I don't want to condemn the never-Trump people, but I want them to get off their high horse as to those of us, even including Marco Rubio, who say, I'm not prepared to be never-Trump because...

00:30:27.000 The way I quantify this, or the way I evaluate it is, the calculus is, Trump could be so terrible for, as the The person who represents Republican, conservatism, constitutionalism, he's doing it from our side.

00:30:43.000 You know the Hamilton thing, where Hamilton said, we don't want to get somebody in there who's on our side and we can't even effectively oppose, and who carries the banner for Republicanism and totally sorts it.

00:30:54.000 And let me put it this way.

00:30:55.000 If the country were not on the precipice, if it were not possible for Hillary to complete the But you think we're so close to that ledge.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, and I think that's convincing, especially when you're looking at the Supreme Court, and I understand where you're coming from.

00:31:23.000 I want to say one thing, too.

00:31:25.000 You mentioned yardstick.

00:31:26.000 And I said this on this show, because we were making fun of Trump before he even ran.

00:31:30.000 But I said, listen, if he gets the number of delegates, he gets the number of delegates.

00:31:33.000 I have to respect the process.

00:31:36.000 And then I said, I'm probably not going to vote for him.

00:31:41.000 But, and I've said this, I said, as a Christian conservative, like I said, a yardstick, I have to allow for people to be redeemed or to change.

00:31:49.000 And so for me, when I set out, I said, for example, a Supreme Court list, I said, this actually looks relatively good.

00:31:55.000 If he sticks here, and from here on out, and he sticks to what he promises, and we see this transformation, that can tilt me.

00:32:02.000 But I had to set these guidelines and say, okay, these need to be met, because I need to allow room for someone to adapt, or someone to improve, and And of course, then you've got the Never Trump crowd who's mad.

00:32:12.000 Do you think that's reasonable to say, let's put this compass here and see where it goes?

00:32:17.000 No, I totally do.

00:32:18.000 And I will defend you if you decide to be Never Trump.

00:32:22.000 I just want the Never Trump people to understand where I and others are coming from, because we want the same thing.

00:32:28.000 And it's not true to say liberals want the same thing as conservatives.

00:32:31.000 No, we have totally diametrically different worldviews.

00:32:33.000 But I want the same thing as you do, and I want the same thing Never Trumpers do.

00:32:38.000 And I don't know if I want the same thing as pro-Trumpers.

00:32:41.000 And here's another...

00:32:43.000 Certainly a contingency of pro-Trumpers.

00:32:45.000 I think probably a big portion, but a big portion, yeah, I think wouldn't necessarily...

00:32:49.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:32:50.000 But I think there's another factor in this.

00:32:53.000 If you are a constitutional conservative...

00:32:56.000 And Hillary runs. 0.99

00:32:57.000 You can continue to be a consistent constitutional conservative.

00:33:01.000 If Trump wins and is president, and he wins carrying our banner, isn't it much harder for us to demand constitutional conservatism?

00:33:11.000 Because nobody in the two people running were advocating constitutional conservatism, at least not authentically.

00:33:19.000 And so here's what bothers me.

00:33:22.000 Why can't the Trump people be a little, and whoever they are, I don't know what percentage, no offense, you Trump people.

00:33:28.000 In fact, if you're not this way, it solves itself, so you're not that way, so it's no offense.

00:33:32.000 No harm, no foul.

00:33:33.000 But if you are this way, listen up.

00:33:35.000 Do not underestimate that we have the angst, too.

00:33:39.000 We got to this dance before you did, most of us.

00:33:42.000 We're the ones who've been fighting this thing since Ronald Reagan.

00:33:45.000 I've been fighting it since Goldwater.

00:33:47.000 Not that I've been effective or been a big player.

00:33:51.000 No, sure you have.

00:33:52.000 But I think that's a good point.

00:33:52.000 Don't say yourself.

00:33:53.000 You know, people, everyone's angry to some degree.

00:33:57.000 Everyone is upset.

00:33:58.000 And that's why, you know, the establishment, like you talked about, I think Donald Trump brought that to light a little bit.

00:34:02.000 But I think that happened in 2010.

00:34:04.000 And you saw that with a Tea Party takeover.

00:34:06.000 Heck, you saw with people like Rubio and Cruz, and they kicked out a lot of the establishment.

00:34:09.000 And I just think it's a cycle where then a lot of those people become establishment.

00:34:13.000 And in two or three years, Trump, if he wins, could be seen as establishment.

00:34:18.000 That just seems the natural order of things.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, yes.

00:34:21.000 But you're ahead of me.

00:34:23.000 You're way ahead of me in terms of anticipating.

00:34:25.000 I'm just...

00:34:26.000 I'm thinking that...

00:34:29.000 The Trump people, who I've argued with on Twitter, say, you guys...

00:34:33.000 They don't just say Trump is conservative.

00:34:36.000 In one breath they'll say he's conservative.

00:34:38.000 In the next breath they'll say, we hate conservatism.

00:34:40.000 You guys have failed us.

00:34:42.000 And so they conflate, and I hate that term, conservatism with establishment, with Republican establishment.

00:34:48.000 That's not fair.

00:34:49.000 We have opposed them.

00:34:50.000 So they can't taint the entire...

00:34:52.000 That's like the liberals saying capitalism is bad because people rob people.

00:34:57.000 No.

00:34:57.000 And...

00:34:58.000 Capitalism is the best system.

00:35:00.000 The constitutional governance is the best system of limited government and governance.

00:35:05.000 And they can't taint and discredit the movement we've fought for all our lives because people haven't adhered to it.

00:35:12.000 And it's not impossible to adhere to, as they say.

00:35:15.000 And they want to throw it out.

00:35:16.000 And they want to do it without any...

00:35:19.000 Remorse.

00:35:20.000 And I can't subscribe to that.

00:35:21.000 Let me just tell you something.

00:35:22.000 This is how I feel totally passionate about this.

00:35:25.000 My kids are all young, despite my elderly age.

00:35:29.000 And I have wanted to impart to them conservative politics and the Christian worldview and limited government and the rest.

00:35:38.000 And I've tried to do that and hope they've got some of it by osmosis and some of it by ignoring my behavior, which is inconsistent with what I preach.

00:35:47.000 And I was watching the Hillsdale, one of the Hillsdale online lectures, thinking, you know, I've always heard about these things, and these guys teach what is virtuous, what is right.

00:35:58.000 We've got 30 seconds.

00:35:59.000 I want to bring you after the break, so I don't know if you can wrap up in like 10 seconds.

00:36:02.000 I want to tell you why that movie and video of Hillsdale inspired me.

00:36:06.000 Okay, so we'll do that.

00:36:07.000 We'll talk about that then after the break, so we'll hold that thought.

00:36:10.000 You can follow him at David Limbaugh.

00:36:11.000 And then I want to get into not just the Republican sort of civil war, but the winning issues, the silver lining I think we have here going into a general, regardless of who the king is.

00:36:20.000 Ladder with Crowder.

00:36:21.000 Stay tuned.

00:36:22.000 Oh, watching the livestream, huh?

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00:36:51.000 I don't know why you want to, but...

00:36:53.000 Glad to be back.

00:37:18.000 You were listening to him and then we had to cut him off with the evil corporate overlords.

00:37:21.000 You can follow him on Twitter, read his books, at David Limbaugh.

00:37:24.000 The floor is yours, sir.

00:37:25.000 You were talking about Hillsdale and what inspired you.

00:37:28.000 So I'm watching this course on Western civilization, and Larry Arndt, the president of the university, gives the introductory lecture.

00:37:35.000 And in that introductory lecture, because it was the first online course they put out, he explains what Hillsdale tries to do.

00:37:40.000 And he articulates the conservative worldview and how important the Constitution is, how important Western civilization is in our culture, and how we should aspire to what is good and virtuous.

00:37:53.000 How we should study the things that make us good.

00:37:56.000 How we should study Plato, Aristotle, Jerusalem, Athens, and our entire Western civilization and our background.

00:38:04.000 And to aspire to what is good and great and virtuous in our lives.

00:38:08.000 And I thought, how sad.

00:38:10.000 This is what I've fought for all my life.

00:38:13.000 I want to instill these principles in my kids.

00:38:15.000 Now, in the era of Trump, do we have to forfeit and sacrifice?

00:38:19.000 Do we have to give up our aspirations to what is good and right?

00:38:22.000 Do we have to abandon constitutional conservatism as a goal?

00:38:25.000 And I say, no, we can't.

00:38:27.000 I realize we're not going to get that with Trump, but can we reach a compromise with Trump's people?

00:38:34.000 Can we at least say, okay, you guys...

00:38:36.000 We're going to support you, but can you give us something back?

00:38:39.000 Can you allow for us nerds who still believe that going back, reverting to constitutional principles is the only way we can assure and preserve liberty?

00:38:49.000 I think you're in a minority here because...

00:38:51.000 So you're extending an olive branch, and I hate to say it, but without naming names, you do have some elitists at conservative publications talking about third-party runs now who, listen, they continue to look down their nose and say, we're not getting involved.

00:39:04.000 We're not even going to listen to the Trump people, and there aren't many people like you saying, all right, is there some kind of concession for people like me if we're willing to make it for people like you?

00:39:12.000 I think people like you and I are an incredible minority.

00:39:15.000 You have conservative professional writers, pundits, elitists on whether it's cable news or working in a magazine, and then you have the Trump people who are upset, populism, and then there are very few people like you saying, is there room for all of it?

00:39:28.000 And I think that if you look at it, it's the civil war on the Republican side, and that's why we lose.

00:39:33.000 It's why, unfortunately, if you look at it, there's an argument that we deserve to lose, and you don't see it with the Democrats, but I do think there's a silver lining here because you talk about that.

00:39:41.000 The silver lining, there are some real winning issues culturally.

00:39:44.000 You were talking with your kids.

00:39:46.000 There has been a noticeable shift on free speech, on Islamic terrorism, on fundamental Second Amendment rights, and on this sort of breaking down of gender norms.

00:39:57.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.000 Stuff that I, because I'm younger, I've always been on YouTube out in these outlets, that I could have never said three, four years ago, there's been a rejection, and people are sort of, even if it's a roundabout way, coming back to some traditional values, going, you know what, maybe men and women are different.

00:40:11.000 You know what, maybe I should have the right to own a gun.

00:40:12.000 You know what, maybe the First Amendment is important.

00:40:14.000 Do you see that?

00:40:15.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:40:16.000 But isn't it ironic that those very things are coming to the fore and we have a chance to prevail on these issues, and Trump doesn't even really agree with us.

00:40:25.000 He gave a point about the expanding libel laws.

00:40:29.000 We've already got an ability to sue for libel.

00:40:33.000 Even public figures do with actual malice.

00:40:36.000 We already, on the free speech thing and the gender issue, I mean, I just worry that Trump doesn't really agree with us, but the situation is right for it. 0.97

00:40:47.000 But on your idea about National Review and the rumor that David French is writing.

00:40:54.000 I didn't name names.

00:40:56.000 No, but I'm naming them because it doesn't matter.

00:40:57.000 It's out there.

00:40:58.000 And I love David French.

00:40:59.000 I love David French.

00:41:00.000 And I'm not against National Review.

00:41:03.000 And I'm not even against what they're doing.

00:41:06.000 They think what they're doing is right, and I applaud that.

00:41:09.000 But I think that you and I might come to a different conclusion about the realism of doing that and about how the country will be hurt if we don't ultimately oppose Hillary affirmatively with a vote for Trump.

00:41:24.000 We may be enabling the further destruction, the ultimate destruction of the United States in the next four years.

00:41:32.000 I don't have a crystal ball.

00:41:32.000 I don't know.

00:41:34.000 But that's the calculus.

00:41:36.000 If I vote for Trump, it will be the most grudging thing I think I've ever done in my political life.

00:41:42.000 So I share all those views of these guys.

00:41:44.000 Just ultimately, what's worse for the country, given that we have the same goals or the same fears?

00:41:49.000 Well, culturally, I wanted to get back because you're talking about your kids.

00:41:51.000 I think that there's a real window there.

00:41:54.000 And respectfully, I tried to express this when we had Senator Cruz on and Carly Feary.

00:41:59.000 We had Governor Mike Huckabee on saying, listen, if I'm your campaign advisor, these are the winning issues right now.

00:42:05.000 You don't have to abandon anything else.

00:42:06.000 But these are winning issues, and none of them really focused on it.

00:42:09.000 And I'm not talking about just my show, but we talked about this, you know.

00:42:13.000 They should have been running, Republicans, you need to understand this, they should have been running their campaigns like contenders, not like champions.

00:42:18.000 They should have been going on alternative media.

00:42:20.000 They should have been doing the podcast circuit that does way, way more numbers than traditional news or radio now, and Republicans abandon it.

00:42:28.000 So I don't blame people my age and younger.

00:42:31.000 By the way, these same people you're talking about have looked down their noses at me for a long time.

00:42:35.000 I don't blame these kids for being mad, because they feel ignored and Every other candidate kind of did ignore them.

00:42:41.000 It was a major screw-up, and that does bother me.

00:42:44.000 Okay, well, can you articulate what you're talking about?

00:42:46.000 What are our cultural inroads here, politically?

00:42:50.000 What do you see?

00:42:50.000 Freedom of speech is a huge one.

00:42:51.000 In what respect, though?

00:42:53.000 Let's talk about in media and on campus.

00:42:55.000 So students now, especially if kids going into college, it's kind of like the 60s.

00:42:59.000 Everyone thinks it was a flower hippie.

00:43:01.000 It wasn't.

00:43:01.000 Show tunes and country was mainstream, and the hippies, everyone hated them back then.

00:43:05.000 We're at that point now, where kids are tired of it.

00:43:07.000 Most kids don't agree with them.

00:43:09.000 They find it disgusting.

00:43:10.000 The gender issue.

00:43:12.000 Where, you know, we have someone on this program here today who believes that unless you agree with them 100%, and every single doctor treats every single transgender exactly how they want to be treated, that it's transphobic.

00:43:23.000 There's been a rejection of that, and with that, people have even gone back More on same-sex marriage and more on traditional gender roles.

00:43:31.000 They support them.

00:43:32.000 And then guns and Islamic terrorism, just because of the statistical reality. 0.52

00:43:35.000 People are acknowledging that, and they agree on those fronts.

00:43:39.000 But Republicans don't really communicate in a way that is effective with them.

00:43:43.000 Well, now, Cruz tried to communicate that, but you're saying that they didn't connect with him in some way, because they didn't go to where they are?

00:43:53.000 They didn't go to where they are, yeah, and even...

00:43:56.000 Oh, crap, we have to go to a break, Jared. 0.99

00:43:58.000 Darn it. 1.00

00:43:58.000 It's okay. 1.00

00:43:59.000 Do you want to go to a break?

00:44:00.000 Well, okay.

00:44:01.000 Well, let's bring you on again soon, David Levitt, because we have a guest lineup.

00:44:01.000 We're going to have to go.

00:44:04.000 But yeah, even when we had them on this show, sometimes I'm going, go for it.

00:44:07.000 There's just, I think, like we talked about, it's insular.

00:44:10.000 And like you said, there's establishment politics, but there are establishment people who run or work in campaigns with some of these people who we may even support.

00:44:18.000 People like you have to be influential in that.

00:44:21.000 There has to be some way to bridge this gap.

00:44:23.000 If you see that among the youth, you need to communicate that.

00:44:27.000 You guys that are your age, you need to help with that.

00:44:30.000 Well, we try to, but a lot of the other people aren't listening to me.

00:44:33.000 So hopefully there's that shake-up happening, and they're listening to you.

00:44:35.000 David Limbaugh, at David Limbaugh.

00:44:36.000 Thank you so much, sir.

00:44:37.000 We'll have you back on soon, because we need more time to explore this.

00:44:40.000 Louder with Crowder, everybody.

00:44:42.000 Don't leave, or we'll get mad.

00:44:43.000 We'll get upset.

00:44:44.000 All right, all right.

00:44:56.000 Time to start the Double Secret Patriarchy Meeting. 0.81

00:44:59.000 On today's item list, how to preserve rape culture. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Any suggestions?

00:45:05.000 Yes, feel cool.

00:45:06.000 Yeah, I was thinking, like, what if we just make sure that nobody goes to jail for rape?

00:45:13.000 That's brilliant!

00:45:14.000 The ladies will never see it coming. 1.00

00:45:16.000 That's a surefire way to make sure we can still rape carefree anyone else. 1.00

00:45:19.000 Yes, Perry. 0.69

00:45:20.000 Well, I was thinking, rather than not sending anybody to actual prison for rape...

00:45:26.000 How about we just declare rape to no longer be a crime?

00:45:30.000 Truly, your brilliance is astounding.

00:45:33.000 We know enough judges here at this double-secret patriarchy meeting who'd be willing to oblige.

00:45:37.000 Rape will be legal, that's for sure. 1.00

00:45:39.000 Anyone else?

00:45:40.000 Yes, how about you?

00:45:42.000 Miss Jenner, we told you, you're not welcome here anymore.

00:45:45.000 I just come here for the refreshments, mostly, and to...

00:45:45.000 Yeah, I know.

00:45:49.000 Get out of the house, but I still do have my penis. 1.00

00:45:53.000 You still have your penis, you say? 1.00

00:45:55.000 Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:45:56.000 A lot of people don't know that, but I can go back any time I want.

00:46:01.000 Hmm, that's murky territory.

00:46:02.000 We'll have to put that to a vote.

00:46:04.000 In the meantime, what's your suggestion?

00:46:07.000 Yeah, well, I was just saying, how about we let...

00:46:10.000 People like me go into the little girls' room.

00:46:13.000 I think that'd be pretty good for rape culture. 1.00

00:46:15.000 Astounding! 0.98

00:46:16.000 Do we dare a Trojan in a Trojan?

00:46:20.000 I wear magnums, actually.

00:46:22.000 The principle's the same.

00:46:24.000 Oh, there you have it. 0.98

00:46:25.000 Rape will no longer be a crime, and men with their penises intact will be able to go into the ladies' room. 0.98

00:46:30.000 Oh, this will be a bright day for all mankind and the preservation of the all-important Western rape culture. 1.00

00:46:37.000 Meeting adjourned, and keep your refreshments down to a one per attendee maximum.

00:46:43.000 Caitlin, I'm looking at you.

00:46:44.000 See you next Tuesday.

00:46:46.000 See you next Tuesday.

00:46:56.000 Glad to be back with you.

00:47:21.000 Second hour.

00:47:21.000 We have Zach Ford coming up after this.

00:47:24.000 Zach Ford.

00:47:25.000 And we should get Courtney on the show since she's still texting me all the time. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Wonderful Courtney.

00:47:28.000 We should.

00:47:29.000 Producing with me in video studio as always, but not on YouTube.

00:47:32.000 Is Not Gay Jared. 0.69

00:47:32.000 Ha ha ha. 0.69

00:47:33.000 Follow him on Twitter at Not Gay Jared. 0.52

00:47:36.000 I fulfill my legal obligations.

00:47:37.000 Draw your own conclusions.

00:47:38.000 For people listening terrestrially or people who will see these on YouTube afterward, please subscribe on iTunes or SoundCloud.

00:47:44.000 Everything we do is free, but we can easily get banned, whether it's YouTube one week or Facebook another week or Twitter another week.

00:47:52.000 We always follow the guidelines, but being out there doing this show without a net, there's always a strong chance that somebody gets triggered, banned, and I want to talk about this.

00:47:59.000 I have this up on my screen here, not gay, Jared. 1.00

00:48:02.000 To give you an example of censorship, do you have it there hooked up to your situation?

00:48:07.000 YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter agree to ban hate speech in Europe.

00:48:11.000 This actually happened this week.

00:48:13.000 Some of the biggest U.S. tech firms have signed to a code of conduct formulated by the European Commission in which they agree to help fight against the spread of hate speech in Europe.

00:48:23.000 Online rights groups have reacted with outrage, saying they have no confidence in agreement because they were left with a discussion.

00:48:27.000 Anyways.

00:48:28.000 Facebook promised to review most reports of illegal hate speech.

00:48:30.000 YouTube, Twitter, they've signed on.

00:48:32.000 Here's the main takeaway.

00:48:34.000 This is a code of conduct formulated by the European Commission.

00:48:38.000 Now people go, why do you cover some of these tabloidy stories of people being arrested for silly things or free speech issues?

00:48:44.000 Well, let me tell you why.

00:48:45.000 Because Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are now signing on to a code of conduct from the European Commission.

00:48:52.000 These same people have written a code of conduct that has led to people being arrested for...

00:48:58.000 Shirts, t-shirts that were seen as anti-Islamic, for people berating people on Twitter, have been arrested or seen jail time, for pastors speaking out against gay marriage, and even one man, we wrote about this a while back, who was charged with hate speech for playing kung fu fighting in his band.

00:49:22.000 This happened in the UK. No, this is true.

00:49:24.000 It's playing in the UK. And I remember hearing that story going like, well, gosh, why?

00:49:26.000 Kung Fu fighting.

00:49:28.000 It's a great tune.

00:49:29.000 China Man. 0.74

00:49:31.000 Oh, the lyric.

00:49:32.000 There were funky China man in funky Chinatown.

00:49:32.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 They were jumping around me up.

00:49:39.000 There's no guy in college.

00:49:40.000 There's a Chinese restaurant, a little takeout kind of place, and he called himself the China Man.

00:49:45.000 You call this number.

00:49:46.000 No one ever knew where the number went to.

00:49:47.000 We don't actually know what restaurant it was coming from.

00:49:49.000 We'd call him, call the China Man. 0.99

00:49:50.000 He would deliver food.

00:49:51.000 He would just pack it up.

00:49:53.000 Ten minutes later, meet him at a gas station.

00:49:55.000 He delivers you food.

00:49:56.000 No one knows where he came from.

00:49:57.000 This is true.

00:49:58.000 Guy got in trouble.

00:49:59.000 Someone was walking past, I guess, an indoor-outdoor bar, band playing kung fu fighting.

00:50:05.000 In Europe, in the UK, the guy got charged with it.

00:50:09.000 I don't know if it ended up sticking.

00:50:11.000 I don't remember exactly what happened with it, but this was an actual story.

00:50:14.000 So these people who say, well, that's acceptable.

00:50:17.000 It's hate speech to sing kung fu fighting. 0.98

00:50:19.000 The second we hear that little ho-ho-ho coming in, you're going to the slammer. 1.00

00:50:23.000 We're putting you in the back of a paddy wagon, and you're going to the clink.

00:50:28.000 Those are the people who are creating the code of conduct onto which Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are signing on.

00:50:34.000 Now, what we've been facing with YouTube, I understand a private business has the right to do whatever they want.

00:50:38.000 Here's the thing.

00:50:38.000 YouTube is saying that they're trying to respect the rule of law.

00:50:42.000 Well, leftists at Mashable, leftists at Facebook and Twitter, don't want to respect the rule of law.

00:50:47.000 They inevitably want to silence voices.

00:50:50.000 Listen, conservatives, libertarians, anti-authoritarians, alt-right, whatever you are, generally speaking, Want to expose more voices.

00:50:59.000 We'll have Zach Ford on.

00:51:00.000 Couldn't agree with him less.

00:51:01.000 But we'll have him on and let him speak.

00:51:04.000 Unless there are lies.

00:51:05.000 You have to check those.

00:51:06.000 That always happens.

00:51:08.000 Leftists want to silence dissent.

00:51:11.000 That's the pattern.

00:51:12.000 That's what's important.

00:51:31.000 An all-female cast of Ghostbusters.

00:51:32.000 Hillary Clinton came out this week and praised it.

00:51:35.000 Ghostbusters.

00:51:36.000 Strong women.

00:51:37.000 Now, there was one reviewer who came out and said, I'm not going to see it.

00:51:42.000 I think it's insulting.

00:51:43.000 And everyone jumped on him.

00:51:44.000 This guy is a famous online reviewer called the Angry Video Game Nerd, for those listening terrestrially who don't understand.

00:51:49.000 Here's the deal.

00:51:51.000 It's not that it's an all-female cast.

00:51:53.000 It's not that people hate women.

00:51:54.000 What it is is it's taking something that was okay to be a guy's movie, that people grew up with, it's a piece of their childhood, and you're not even delivering an homage.

00:52:03.000 You're not even respecting what...

00:52:05.000 You're not dancing with the one you brought to the ball.

00:52:07.000 And so you're replacing them all with women. 1.00

00:52:09.000 It's clearly a grab for a gender war, a gender opportunity. 1.00

00:52:15.000 Look how strong and how funny women can be. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Listen, most of them in there aren't that funny.

00:52:20.000 Sorry, most women aren't funny. 1.00

00:52:23.000 Some women are incredibly funny. 1.00

00:52:26.000 Kathleen Madigan is one of them.

00:52:27.000 I think Melissa McCarthy is funny.

00:52:29.000 I think Lily Tomlin was funny.

00:52:31.000 Amy Schumer and Sarah Silverman are not funny.

00:52:34.000 Most people agree.

00:52:35.000 They don't find them funny.

00:52:37.000 If you watch a show, to give you an idea, my wife has been watching the OC because she never saw it growing up.

00:52:43.000 And she's a girl.

00:52:45.000 You'd think she'd relate to the female characters. 0.79

00:52:47.000 When she watches it, she goes, can we just get back to the guys?

00:52:50.000 This is just painful.

00:52:52.000 They can't carry the show.

00:52:54.000 Because, and this is a woman's show, the favorite characters were guys because it was a show that was supposed to be mildly funny, entertaining.

00:52:59.000 It wasn't quite a comedy.

00:53:01.000 And the women are just so concerned with trying to be sexy, with trying to look good on camera. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Most women aren't willing to look like fools. 1.00

00:53:09.000 There is nothing more foolish than the film Ghostbusters. 1.00

00:53:13.000 That's what it was designed to be. 1.00

00:53:14.000 A silly, funny film. 0.99

00:53:17.000 Generally speaking, women don't do so well in those roles. 1.00

00:53:19.000 Now here's the thing.

00:53:20.000 If you like that film, great.

00:53:21.000 I don't think people are going to like it.

00:53:23.000 I don't think it's going to do very well.

00:53:24.000 But, if someone says, I really don't like it because I liked the original cast who happened to be Men with Ghostbusters, again, the problem is, people aren't allowing for any variance in an opinion at this point.

00:53:36.000 And that's why I'm not Never Trump, and that's why I'm not Trump 2016.

00:53:40.000 And we try and take things on an issue-by-issue basis.

00:53:43.000 I'm an unabashed conservative.

00:53:45.000 But leftists, Hillary Clinton, what's his name, Patton Oswalt, who I love, I just hate that he did this, start attacking anyone who preemptively is disappointed with Ghostbusters as sexist.

00:53:56.000 You need to allow some wiggle room here for people to have a different opinion and just maybe they're not racist.

00:54:03.000 Maybe they're not sexist.

00:54:05.000 Unless they're Muslim, because those things are most likely true. 1.00

00:54:07.000 Let me get to this.

00:54:07.000 Pakistan.

00:54:08.000 There was a women's protection bill proposed.

00:54:10.000 Well, that sounds good, right?

00:54:11.000 Women's protection bill. 0.82

00:54:13.000 We're doing better.

00:54:14.000 Protect the women's. 0.99

00:54:16.000 We're doing better, Pakistan.

00:54:17.000 Only the women's protection bill proposed, I have it up here, letterwithcredit.com, for men to lightly beat their wives. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Now I know that sounds bad on the outset.

00:54:24.000 No.

00:54:27.000 But, it did come with some caveats.

00:54:30.000 A husband should be allowed... 1.00

00:54:31.000 This is their own language.

00:54:32.000 A husband should be allowed to lightly beat his wife if she defies his commands and refuses to dress up as per his desires. 0.98

00:54:37.000 Well, I mean, turns down demand of intercourse.

00:54:40.000 Well, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do without any religious excuse or does not take a bath after intercourse or menstrual periods.

00:54:47.000 It would also...

00:54:48.000 The 163-point draft bill...

00:54:51.000 Reportedly bans women from appearing on television or print advertising and female nurses from treating male patients.

00:54:56.000 It would also allow husbands to forbid their wives from visiting other men except relatives.

00:55:02.000 This is being proposed in front of, effectively, imagine if this bill comes before him.

00:55:08.000 Imagine if it goes through the House and the Senate and we go through the process for a bill to become a law.

00:55:13.000 Oh yeah!

00:55:14.000 Oh yeah!

00:55:15.000 And it ends up on Obama's desk and he's sitting there going, now what's this?

00:55:19.000 Oh, a woman's protection. 1.00

00:55:21.000 A man can beat his wife if she didn't shower after a menstrual cycle? 1.00

00:55:25.000 Can you imagine that in the United States?

00:55:27.000 We would have riots in the streets.

00:55:30.000 But these same feminists on campus, well, we don't want to talk about Islam. 1.00

00:55:33.000 We don't want to be culturally insensitive.

00:55:34.000 We'll culturally appropriate Middle Eastern culture in three weeks, by the way, in Cultural Appropriation Month.

00:55:39.000 Tweet your support.

00:55:43.000 This is happening right now in Pakistan.

00:55:45.000 This is what I've talked about a lot.

00:55:46.000 We've talked about it on this program, and this is one area that separates the men from the boys.

00:55:49.000 All these people who are anti-authoritarian, you'll have to go out and champion free speech, but once it comes to Islam, they don't utter a word.

00:55:57.000 They're terrified because other people don't blow stuff up.

00:56:02.000 Inevitably, there are great Muslims in the United States, of course. 1.00

00:56:04.000 Not all Muslims are terrorists.

00:56:06.000 This is important, and I've made this delineation before.

00:56:08.000 Not only between Jesus and Muhammad, anywhere Islam gains political power, political foothold of any kind, this is what happens. 0.98

00:56:18.000 This is why it's important when people say democratic socialism.

00:56:21.000 I always find that funny.

00:56:22.000 As though democratic change is something.

00:56:25.000 Democratic slavery?

00:56:26.000 Sound good?

00:56:26.000 Democratic genocide.

00:56:28.000 Democratic wife-beating. 1.00

00:56:30.000 At some point in history, all those things were either tossed to a vote, or today, if you tossed to a Democratic vote, would pass, depending on where you are.

00:56:30.000 Because guess what?

00:56:41.000 Democratic wife-beating? 0.98

00:56:42.000 You take that vote in any Islamic nation on the world right now, guess what? 1.00

00:56:46.000 The women are going to deal with some crap. 1.00

00:56:49.000 They're not getting out of that one unscathed. 1.00

00:56:52.000 It's Democratic wife-beating! 1.00

00:56:55.000 We took a vote, of course!

00:56:56.000 We took a vote on socialism!

00:56:58.000 We took a vote if she does not shower or not dress how I like.

00:57:03.000 For example, she sometimes wears the black burqa.

00:57:06.000 I prefer the chaco.

00:57:10.000 It's a subtle difference.

00:57:11.000 It's late.

00:57:11.000 But it matters to me.

00:57:14.000 It matters to me.

00:57:17.000 When does Ashraf's feelings come to the forefront, okay?

00:57:21.000 I need support too.

00:57:26.000 Hashtag.

00:57:27.000 Hashtag never women's rights. 0.52

00:57:28.000 This is what happens.

00:57:30.000 So don't be fooled in thinking that democratic changes anything.

00:57:34.000 Because this is what's happening right now.

00:57:35.000 And this could possibly go through democratically in Pakistan.

00:57:38.000 Women, does that sound good? 1.00

00:57:39.000 Just because you toss that in front of socialism, which is horrible, which is a violent worldview by nature, you're ultimately taking things from people at gunpoint, does not change the fact that it's a horrible, violent ideology because you voted on it.

00:57:54.000 Sorry, but maybe this vote will happen.

00:57:56.000 I don't know.

00:57:57.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:57:58.000 I'm not an expert on the Pakistani political system, legal system.

00:58:02.000 I don't know exactly how it works.

00:58:04.000 I'm willing to bet.

00:58:06.000 Tweet me at S. Crowder if you think I'm being ethnocentric here because I'm most likely am.

00:58:10.000 It's probably not a balanced approach as it comes to gender roles. 1.00

00:58:13.000 Also, I don't think you're seeing a lot of swinging penises in the ladies' room in Pakistan. 1.00

00:58:17.000 Oh, no. 0.99

00:58:18.000 Maybe you do, though.

00:58:19.000 Which reminds me, we'll talk about this.

00:58:21.000 We have one more segment before Zach, right?

00:58:22.000 Yep.

00:58:23.000 The ACLU leader just resigned over transgender restrooms.

00:58:27.000 ACLU! Of all situations.

00:58:29.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:58:31.000 And what else do we have?

00:58:32.000 Oh gosh, we have a bit about Hiroshima.

00:58:34.000 And how that was just fantastic.

00:58:36.000 I'm a huge fan of that.

00:58:36.000 Hiroshima!

00:58:37.000 I'm a huge fan that we dropped the A-bomb.

00:58:39.000 And I'll defend it after the break.

00:58:40.000 Lotta with Crudder.

00:58:41.000 Crowder.

00:58:41.000 Stay tuned.

00:58:41.000 Well, at least I still have my cheeses. . at least I still have my cheeses. . . .

00:59:06.000 We interrupt this Dawson's Creek Marathon for a news update regarding the presidential election in 2016.

00:59:15.000 It has now surfaced that Sheldon Acorns, the head of Nutraceuticals, is at the center of an underage sexting scandal.

00:59:24.000 Lauderwith Crowder's news division has obtained these pictures and has officially corroborated that they are authentic.

00:59:32.000 The chipmunk involved declined for comment. 0.94

00:59:35.000 However, our camera crew caught up with Sheldon Acornson earlier in the day.

00:59:41.000 Listen, at this time, I understand that everybody, uh, you want your story, okay?

00:59:44.000 And I'm the hot ticket, but, uh, with respect to give me space for me and my family. 0.99

00:59:49.000 You're a pervert! 0.99

00:59:50.000 Oh, be that as it me, uh, I have needs. 1.00

00:59:53.000 Squirrels have needs.

00:59:54.000 There aren't, uh, six billion of us by accident.

00:59:57.000 It's now being alleged that the scandals you discovered regarding Hopper have been false.

01:00:03.000 Is there any truth to that rumor?

01:00:05.000 Listen, I don't know whether that's true or not.

01:00:08.000 Yet, I don't know if the stories are true or if they're not true.

01:00:11.000 And I respect my privacy.

01:00:14.000 You're the one who claimed you found the stories.

01:00:16.000 That's correct.

01:00:17.000 But I cannot confirm if they're true or they're not.

01:00:19.000 Are you saying you maybe lied when making those stories?

01:00:22.000 Probably.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, that's probably safe to say.

01:00:24.000 Why talk about a day in politics.

01:00:27.000 I don't envy their jobs.

01:00:28.000 We'll keep you abreast as the story unfolds.

01:00:31.000 Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

01:00:37.000 Oh.

01:00:38.000 My.

01:00:42.000 Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.

01:01:01.000 Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.

01:01:07.000 Glad to be back.

01:01:08.000 Some developments for those listening in the podcast with the Field of Hopper situation.

01:01:12.000 That's a good turn of events there.

01:01:14.000 Dramatic turn.

01:01:15.000 Running for president.

01:01:17.000 Speaking of president, leaders.

01:01:18.000 Okay.

01:01:19.000 This lady, leader at the ACLU, resigned.

01:01:25.000 She quit. 1.00

01:01:26.000 I have the report right here.

01:01:27.000 after seeing a look of fear on her young daughter's faces.

01:01:32.000 I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school-aged daughters into a women's restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults over six feet tall with deep voices entered.

01:01:41.000 She wrote, My children were visibly frightened.

01:01:45.000 You don't say.

01:01:46.000 Concerned about their safety.

01:01:47.000 And left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer.

01:01:47.000 Interesting.

01:01:52.000 She continued.

01:01:53.000 Dude.

01:01:55.000 You're never really prepared to answer.

01:01:57.000 In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.

01:02:03.000 The hierarchy of rights the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is based on who is funding the organization's lobbying activities.

01:02:10.000 She did not elaborate on the group's funding.

01:02:14.000 So, this is a certainly very progressive organization, a woman who no doubt is, generally speaking, very progressive, who has decided to take a stand with the ACLU. Because of biology.

01:02:27.000 We'll talk about that with Zach Ford coming up after the break.

01:02:29.000 Editor over at Think Progress.

01:02:32.000 Big LGBTQAAIP activist.

01:02:35.000 Silent F. Let's see.

01:02:37.000 Let's let the cards fall where they may here.

01:02:40.000 I'm about getting to the point where...

01:02:42.000 My tolerance has diminished on this one.

01:02:45.000 How dare you.

01:02:45.000 Namely because not every single person who disagrees with your 100% worldview, it doesn't mean they're a transphobe.

01:02:54.000 I don't think this black American woman who has been a liberal her whole life, I don't think she hates trans people. 0.79

01:03:01.000 I think she probably understands that men are born men and that can't be changed.

01:03:05.000 We've had a lot of feedback from last week.

01:03:07.000 Dr.

01:03:08.000 Boniface talking about this, talking about the trans issue.

01:03:10.000 We'll talk about this with Zach Ford.

01:03:11.000 We brought up medical facts regarding cross-hormonal replacement therapy and how that affects the brain.

01:03:16.000 And if you don't like it, that's fine.

01:03:18.000 I understand that there could be some science that could change it.

01:03:21.000 I don't think we've seen it yet.

01:03:23.000 I've not heard a convincing argument yet, but I leave that room there if someone wants to convince me.

01:03:29.000 So hopefully we get that.

01:03:30.000 Just saying you're a transphobe, it's not an argument, it's not a convincing argument.

01:03:34.000 It's an easy one, though.

01:03:35.000 Convenient.

01:03:36.000 It is an easy one.

01:03:37.000 And I hope that people now, a lot of these people who consider themselves anti-leftists, a lot of these sort of intellectuals who are revolting against the anti-free speech left, just remember when I was out there and you were calling people like me racist and homophobic only a few years ago, and now it's being used against you.

01:03:55.000 Know who your allies are.

01:03:56.000 One thing, too.

01:03:57.000 People were talking about this with Milo and the Ben Shapiro.

01:03:59.000 We were talking with David Limbaugh, the Trump, the never-Trump situation.

01:04:03.000 Here is something that I think is important for my barometer.

01:04:07.000 For example, with Facebook, with YouTube right now.

01:04:09.000 We are fighting the left.

01:04:10.000 They're looking to eliminate voices of dissent on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

01:04:13.000 That's the reality right now.

01:04:14.000 They're looking to eliminate you if you have a different opinion.

01:04:16.000 Okay?

01:04:17.000 We all agree on that.

01:04:17.000 I think that if facing that, you have decided to make it your career pivot, your punditry pivot, or your social media pivot to destroy someone else who's a conservative but doesn't agree with you 100% on one issue, whether it's Trump, whether it's never Trump,

01:04:36.000 Whether it's David French, if you've decided that it is your bigger priority to attack somebody else who is still pro-free speech, who is still pro-freedom, who is still pro-America, if you've made it your duty to attack that conservative in place of the left who are trying to drop an atomic bomb on all of you, I don't think you're conservative, and I don't think I have a lot of room for you in our movement.

01:04:59.000 That's what I think.

01:05:00.000 I think that's pretty reasonable.

01:05:02.000 If you've got right now Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and you are using those avenues as opposed to fighting the left to try and destroy someone else who is clearly fighting for the conservative cause, whether you agree with them or not.

01:05:14.000 And I acknowledge there are some people who are really big on the Trump side who are doing great stuff, people on the other side who aren't.

01:05:20.000 I acknowledge there are people over at Reason, libertarians, who are doing great stuff.

01:05:24.000 And there are people who are traditional Christian conservatives who are doing great stuff.

01:05:26.000 If you watch this channel, if you watch this show, if you go back all the way to 2006, my YouTube channel, I have never made it my goal to destroy other, not even conservatives, anyone who I think will fight the common enemy of aggressive leftism.

01:05:41.000 I've just never done it.

01:05:42.000 And so when I see conservatives who not only do it, maybe every now and then, we do try and be consistent and criticize.

01:05:47.000 That's fine.

01:05:47.000 Disagreements are a beauty of the right.

01:05:50.000 That's the beauty of free thinking.

01:05:51.000 That's why it's harder to get the right, the conservative, the libertarian wing unified, because we have different opinions.

01:05:56.000 Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden.

01:06:00.000 Who was the other guy?

01:06:00.000 Ah, gosh.

01:06:01.000 Maryland.

01:06:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:04.000 Oh, gosh.

01:06:04.000 Gun guy.

01:06:05.000 Brain's frozen.

01:06:07.000 Irish name.

01:06:08.000 You can tweet me.

01:06:09.000 I forgot his name.

01:06:10.000 And then the other guy who looked like the old bird.

01:06:12.000 Oh gosh.

01:06:13.000 Gosh, I can't.

01:06:13.000 I know we had Webb, who's one of the decent Democrats.

01:06:16.000 Anyways, they all agreed lockstep on everything except Bernie Sanders only had a D- from the NRA. That was their big disagreement.

01:06:23.000 There's plenty of intellectual diversity on the right, and that's great, and you can have those disagreements, but when I see people...

01:06:29.000 O'Malley.

01:06:30.000 O'Malley. 0.98

01:06:30.000 The guy who does curls in a squat rack and wears a tank top in his crappy little band, O'Malley. 0.98

01:06:35.000 Thank you, O'Malley.

01:06:36.000 And Lincoln was the other guy, right?

01:06:39.000 Yeah, Shaffee? 0.59

01:06:41.000 Shaffee? 0.74

01:06:42.000 I don't know.

01:06:42.000 Lincoln Shaffee?

01:06:43.000 And we had Webb.

01:06:43.000 We had Webb there, who actually was a decent guy.

01:06:45.000 He was more like a JFK Democrat.

01:06:48.000 I just watch this right now.

01:06:50.000 This is why the right loses.

01:06:51.000 You are looking down the barrel of a gun that is absolutely unbelievable.

01:06:54.000 And if you choose to destroy another conservative who really should be a brother in arms, that gives me pause.

01:06:59.000 And I hate seeing it.

01:07:00.000 So hopefully we can join together because it's a pretty big one.

01:07:04.000 I don't know how much time we have before we have that.

01:07:05.000 A minute and a half.

01:07:06.000 A minute and a half before Zach Ford comes on.

01:07:07.000 Well, we'll have to talk about Hiroshima after that then.

01:07:10.000 And then we're going to have...

01:07:11.000 We're going to stop after the segment.

01:07:11.000 Are we going to stop the live stream?

01:07:13.000 Okay, so for people listening terrestrially, for people watching online, we are going to stop this live stream really quick because Facebook only allows for 90 minutes.

01:07:21.000 Yep.

01:07:21.000 And start it right back up on the Facebook page.

01:07:24.000 Facebook.com slash Stephen Crowder official.

01:07:27.000 And we'll start again, and then it'll be there for the rest of the show with the debate with Zack Ford, Gavin McInnes, and my wife afterward to talk about a very harrowing tale from this week.

01:07:37.000 So we just want to let people know about that, and we'll talk about Hiroshima.

01:07:39.000 Courtney wrote a great piece on this on the website about Hiroshima because Barack Obama did his tour, and while he didn't officially apologize, he insinuated that it was an act of evil, that it was an act that should not be repeated.

01:07:50.000 I think that if World War II was a real-life scenario today, let's say we were in that situation, and Absolutely.

01:07:57.000 Drop the bomb.

01:07:58.000 Tweet me at AskCrader what you think.

01:07:59.000 Absolutely.

01:08:00.000 We saved millions of lives.

01:08:02.000 And I think anyone who would maintain the position that we should have gone in and have a ground war or rolled over and died is simply uneducated of the matter.

01:08:10.000 I don't think necessarily bad people.

01:08:12.000 I think a lot of people aren't educated as to why Hiroshima was absolutely necessary.

01:08:17.000 And thank God that it happened.

01:08:19.000 You should thank the Lord above.

01:08:20.000 If you're an atheist, I don't know. 0.65

01:08:22.000 Thank yourself. 1.00

01:08:23.000 You're narcissistic. 0.99

01:08:24.000 That's the way you people are. 0.99

01:08:26.000 We're going to get letters.

01:08:27.000 Letter with Crowder, Zach Ford after this.

01:08:29.000 Stay tuned for debate.

01:08:30.000 Oh, I'm permanently I'm permanently blinded by the soap's chemicals.

01:08:52.000 I'll never see again.

01:08:54.000 I should have gone organic.

01:08:57.000 It's a good thing you can subscribe to the audio version on iTunes or SoundCloud.

01:09:00.000 Oh my, that's convenient, but tell them about the website as well!

01:09:04.000 What's the address?

01:09:06.000 Lotterwithcrowder.com.

01:09:07.000 Even if you're blind, I don't know how Braille works on a monitor.

01:09:11.000 New bump.

01:09:37.000 Glad to have it.

01:09:38.000 Good bump.

01:09:38.000 New bump.

01:09:39.000 Good bump.

01:09:39.000 Good old pogo.

01:09:40.000 Good bump for a new bump for a new guest. 0.77

01:09:43.000 So we're glad to have him on.

01:09:44.000 He disagrees with me on a whole lot of things.

01:09:46.000 He's been going back and forth with me on the Twitter.

01:09:48.000 He writes at ThinkProgress.

01:09:50.000 You can follow him on Twitter at Zach.

01:09:53.000 That's Z-A-C-K. C-K. Now with an H. Because there's a guy with an H. Zach Ford.

01:09:59.000 Zach, are you with us, sir?

01:10:01.000 I am, and you know, I've been a Pogo fan for a long time, so I love that you guys use this music.

01:10:05.000 Oh, really?

01:10:05.000 I didn't know that.

01:10:07.000 I find a lot more Pogo fans.

01:10:09.000 Now, what does that fall under?

01:10:11.000 Electronica?

01:10:12.000 You know, just taking movies and pulling, I don't know, like its own creation.

01:10:18.000 So I don't know.

01:10:19.000 Well, there we go.

01:10:19.000 All right.

01:10:19.000 Okay.

01:10:20.000 We found some common ground.

01:10:21.000 So we can do that before we step into the war zone.

01:10:23.000 I appreciate you coming on.

01:10:25.000 I know we don't agree on a whole lot.

01:10:26.000 But, you know, we actually have people who are gay, transgender, who agree with me more on politics, who aren't willing to come on the show.

01:10:34.000 So we always respect anyone who's willing to come in here and bang, so to speak, stand in the pocket.

01:10:38.000 Zach, you have been upset on the Twitter with me before for, I mean, transphobic, being anti-trans, anti-gay.

01:10:46.000 Tell me what it is that you see as a problem in what I say or the floor is yours if you want to tell conservatives how to get this right.

01:10:55.000 Well, you know, there's a lot of misinformation out there, and we can kind of get into some of those specifics.

01:10:55.000 Sure.

01:10:59.000 But the bottom line is that trans students need help.

01:11:04.000 Trans people need help. 0.98

01:11:05.000 They are one of the most targeted groups for discrimination.

01:11:08.000 They experience really high rates of unemployment and homelessness and poverty as a result of that discrimination.

01:11:16.000 They denied health care because of that discrimination.

01:11:19.000 How were they denied health care?

01:11:23.000 Sometimes doctors are transphobic and refuse to give them health care, some of them because they don't have jobs.

01:11:28.000 What do you mean they refuse to give them antibiotics for a cold?

01:11:30.000 They refuse to give them flu shots?

01:11:31.000 When you say denied health care, what do you mean?

01:11:33.000 It's important we frame that in.

01:11:35.000 Well, it can mean a variety of things.

01:11:36.000 It can mean that they don't have insurance because they don't have a job, and so they just can't afford health care, so they don't even get to the doctor.

01:11:42.000 It could be that they don't have a doctor in their community that respects who they are, so they don't feel comfortable going to that doctor without feeling...

01:11:49.000 That's important.

01:11:50.000 I want to make sure we get the...

01:11:51.000 I want to make sure we get the language right here, because especially, you know, you've accused me of being ignorant on Twitter, and that's okay, and I respect that you can say that, but that's not accurate to say being denied healthcare.

01:12:01.000 If they don't have insurance because they don't have a job, or if they don't feel comfortable going to a doctor, they're not being denied healthcare.

01:12:08.000 So when you say denied healthcare, that means a doctor proactively denying someone healthcare, all healthcare, solely because they're trans.

01:12:16.000 Is that really a common occurrence?

01:12:18.000 It definitely happens.

01:12:19.000 I mean, if you look at the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey, which is the largest look at what trans people actually experience, there are certainly people who reported experiences like that where they came out to their doctor as trans and either received no treatment or didn't receive the treatment that they needed.

01:12:35.000 So in regards to trans, but what if a doctor says, hey, I'll treat you and everything else, but I'm not going to do the hormone replacement therapy.

01:12:41.000 This is an issue I'm not going to touch because the science isn't in, and I don't think it's good for you.

01:12:45.000 Is that considered denying health care?

01:12:47.000 I think it is, because a lot of the care that they need for their transition is medically necessary.

01:12:53.000 If they can't achieve mental health wellness because they can't access that aspect of transition...

01:12:59.000 There's no evidence to suggest that it is.

01:13:01.000 Well, sure there is.

01:13:02.000 That's some of the misinformation that we can get into if you want to.

01:13:05.000 I've got it right here.

01:13:07.000 Let me bring this up because this is important.

01:13:08.000 Now, we can get into gray matter and we can talk about how the brain works, but I've got this pretty empirical analysis here.

01:13:16.000 It is not surprising that the influence of sex hormones in the brain were not limited to hypothalamus, but they're all expressed.

01:13:20.000 Prior to cross-sex hormone treatment, a lot of the studies that I've heard you trot out and people trot out were involved with people After they had gone through the cross-sex hormone treatment.

01:13:28.000 When you eliminate that variable, you see that a male to female transgender, the brain size, is exactly in line with other males. 0.99

01:13:35.000 And it only changes once you go through cross-sexual hormone replacement therapy.

01:13:41.000 Now, there's a big controversy right now in the medical community just regarding testosterone replacement therapy or growth hormone for injuries.

01:13:48.000 Some people think that's a problem.

01:13:50.000 Going into estrogen, putting it directly into a male, which every study we have would show bad results, cancerous results, is it not within the bounds of reason for a doctor or an establishment, like Johns Hopkins, who, maybe they're not ignorant, maybe some of them are progressive liberals, and they just say, these are not great results, we've studied it, we don't want to do this right now, we need to wait until the science is in.

01:14:13.000 Is that a possibility?

01:14:14.000 I mean, I'm not familiar with the studies that you've talked about.

01:14:18.000 I'm familiar with studies that show that there are no consequences for trans people that use cross-hormone therapy, and I'm familiar with many studies that show that there are great benefits to their health and well-being.

01:14:28.000 I've got it right here.

01:14:29.000 Transsexuals had brain volumes in agreement with their sex at birth. 0.99

01:14:31.000 The intracranial volume and the hypothalamus volume of males were larger than females, irresponsive of condition of transsexualism. 0.52

01:14:36.000 This supports the notion that the brain volume changes in transsexuals are related to cross-sex hormone treatment and do not reflect preexistent differences in brain volume between transsexuals and comparisons.

01:14:48.000 Isn't it possible for a doctor to take this?

01:14:50.000 This comes from medical journals to say, well, we know the changes occur after the sex hormone replacement therapy, and we know that that can be bad, so let's hold off. 0.98

01:15:01.000 Or is that doctor ignorant?

01:15:02.000 Because I want to make sure we frame in the language, because there are a lot of doctors out there who would probably agree with you, except for when it comes to the medicine. 0.95

01:15:09.000 That's not the mainstream understanding whatsoever.

01:15:12.000 You have one study that has one particular fact.

01:15:17.000 No, it's not what the American Medical Association says.

01:15:20.000 It's not what the American Psychiatric Association says.

01:15:22.000 You have one doctor, Paul McHugh at Johns Hopkins, who has many anti-LGBT biases.

01:15:26.000 You talked about doctors.

01:15:28.000 Now you've gone from what's mainstream.

01:15:30.000 You've said, I've not seen those.

01:15:31.000 So we've provided you with empirical data studies.

01:15:33.000 You've said, well, I've not seen that.

01:15:34.000 And then you go to, some doctors say this.

01:15:37.000 And we could both agree, right, there's a political motivation behind a ton of what happens in the medical industry.

01:15:42.000 I'm sure we're on board with that, probably with big pharmaceuticals, probably with medical boards.

01:15:46.000 We'd agree on that when it comes to a lot of things.

01:15:48.000 So now we've denied the data and the statistics.

01:15:50.000 No, I'm not on board with that.

01:15:51.000 I'm on board with medical organizations actually using...

01:15:57.000 Sorry, I think we had a little connection.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, your connection's a little tough, but go ahead.

01:16:02.000 I'm only familiar with one doctor who advocates against cross-hormone therapy and transitioning for trans people, and that's Paul McHugh at Johns Hopkins.

01:16:12.000 And that's where Johns Hopkins gets that reputation.

01:16:14.000 So I'm not familiar with the study that you cited.

01:16:16.000 I'm not sure I understand what it is you're concluding from that study, except something about how brains change.

01:16:22.000 But what I know is that there's a multitude of evidence that shows that...

01:16:24.000 Excuse me, I'd like to finish...

01:16:26.000 I can't let you get away with that and say, I only know one doctor.

01:16:30.000 That's not accurate, Zach.

01:16:31.000 There's more than one doctor on planet Earth who thinks that injecting estrogen into a man or abnormal levels of testosterone into a woman could be bad.

01:16:40.000 The only point I'm making here is that doesn't mean that this sector of the medical industry or America or the world means they're bigoted... 0.86

01:16:47.000 Or ignorant? 0.88

01:16:48.000 You're drawing a conclusion. 0.99

01:16:49.000 I'm not.

01:16:50.000 I'm saying, is it within the bounds of reason that a doctor may not want to treat that because the science isn't in and it doesn't necessarily make them a transphobic bigot?

01:17:00.000 It's a simple question.

01:17:03.000 There's two pieces to that.

01:17:05.000 One is, I'm highly suspicious of any doctor that draws their own conclusions based on things that they can find in certain studies when the rest of the industry has found a different approach that isn't necessary.

01:17:19.000 If everyone agrees in the psychiatric community, or at least an overwhelming majority, and everyone agrees in the medical community that the best way to help trans people achieve wellness is to support them in their transitions, then It doesn't matter to me if there's a couple of doctors who disagree.

01:17:38.000 This is what happens.

01:17:39.000 There isn't a couple of doctors.

01:17:41.000 And there is not unanimous agreement.

01:17:42.000 That's just not accurate, Zach.

01:17:43.000 We can have an honest conversation, but that's not accurate.

01:17:45.000 You can't come on and say that and say there might be a couple of doctors.

01:17:47.000 It's not accurate.

01:17:49.000 It's not honest to say.

01:17:50.000 They're not entirely unanimous.

01:17:52.000 And even if that were the case, consensus isn't an agreement because they were unanimous that it was a disorder not long ago.

01:17:57.000 Why is that not okay?

01:17:58.000 Because it's changed?

01:18:00.000 That's how science works.

01:18:01.000 We learn more and we do what makes the most sense based on the evidence that comes in.

01:18:04.000 The reason it's moved is because we've got more evidence that supporting trans people in their transition is what supports their well-being.

01:18:04.000 Of course.

01:18:10.000 You just discounted the evidence that I brought up and said I've not heard of it and I only know of one doctor.

01:18:14.000 That's not science.

01:18:16.000 But what I'm saying is that that does not represent the consensus.

01:18:20.000 Finding an exception to the rule does not disprove the rule.

01:18:22.000 If a doctor says...

01:18:23.000 I want to get back to the question because you're getting up.

01:18:24.000 If a doctor...

01:18:25.000 Because you said denied health care. 0.99

01:18:26.000 And you use this and you call people bigots and you call them ignorant. 0.59

01:18:29.000 If a doctor who is treating someone and still will treat that person as any other patient but says, I'm not going to do hormone replacement therapy or go down that path, but I will treat you as a patient... 0.79

01:18:42.000 Are you filing that under denying healthcare?

01:18:45.000 I just want to be clear.

01:18:47.000 If the standards of healthcare say that supporting trans people in their transition is the best way to support them and they are rejecting those standards, we do have them and those are the standards that they reject, then yeah, I would say that there's a problem that that's denial of treatment.

01:19:00.000 Okay.

01:19:01.000 I just want to make clear for the audience listening, because when Zach Ford says transgender people are being denied treatment in record numbers, what he is saying is if every single doctor does not give them any kind of transition treatment they want, that should be considered denial of health care.

01:19:14.000 In the same token, I can't get a lot of treatments that I want that are electable from my doctor.

01:19:19.000 So I just want to make sure people understand that.

01:19:22.000 Well, you just threw the word elective out.

01:19:24.000 The problem is that it's not elective.

01:19:26.000 The problem is that we know from the research that supporting trans people in their transition is what supports their mental health wellness.

01:19:32.000 And so if they're not, you know, if they're experiencing gender dysphoria, if they're experiencing any sort of depression or suicidal thinking as a result of not being able to correct that dysphoria, then rejecting them the treatment that helps them overcome that is problematic.

01:19:47.000 Oh gosh, we use that word problematic.

01:19:48.000 Well, the suicide rates don't get much better.

01:19:51.000 They do, because you're using the Swedish study that doesn't actually say what everybody says it was.

01:19:55.000 I know Dr.

01:19:56.000 Boniface used it on your show last week, and if you look at the Swedish study, it did find that there were high rates of suicide among people who had had surgery, but it didn't compare them against other transgender people.

01:20:08.000 The researcher of that study has publicly said that to use her research to suggest that suicide rates go up after surgery...

01:20:14.000 No, no, I didn't say suicide rates went up.

01:20:16.000 I didn't say suicide rates went up.

01:20:18.000 I said the suicide rates don't get much better.

01:20:20.000 And the suicide rates, if you look at after surgery, is still astronomically much higher than the general populace or gay Americans.

01:20:27.000 Right?

01:20:28.000 But that has nothing to do with surgery.

01:20:28.000 Right.

01:20:31.000 That has to do with the discrimination they experience.

01:20:32.000 Would it maybe have to do with...

01:20:34.000 Hold on a second.

01:20:35.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:20:36.000 You said that again.

01:20:37.000 We've got to stay on task here, Zach.

01:20:37.000 You're stating something.

01:20:39.000 When you state a fact, we need to...

01:20:40.000 Okay, let's define that.

01:20:41.000 You say the discrimination.

01:20:42.000 So do you believe that transsexuals, transgender, the term that we're using, I guess, now to be more umbrella... 0.85

01:20:48.000 Do you believe they face worse discrimination than black American slaves?

01:20:52.000 People in the Holocaust? 0.57

01:20:54.000 What about black people in the 60s who didn't have the right to vote?

01:20:57.000 What about gay Americans in the 80s?

01:21:00.000 Do you believe that they're treated multiple times worse because their suicide rates are worse than black American slaves? 0.86

01:21:07.000 It doesn't matter how any of those other groups are treated.

01:21:10.000 What matters is that we have a problem.

01:21:11.000 It does matter because you said it's a result of discrimination.

01:21:14.000 But now when we eliminate, okay, here are other groups who are clearly much more violently discriminated against than transgenders.

01:21:21.000 Nowhere near, anywhere else on the map, that kind of a suicide rate, whether it's pre or post-surgery, the only other place you find that would be people with severe psychiatric conditions.

01:21:32.000 But the research that we have shows that the people with the highest tendency to attempt suicide are those who have experienced the highest rates of discrimination and the highest rates of family rejection.

01:21:43.000 So you can think whatever you want.

01:21:45.000 I'm not trying to compare them to any other group.

01:21:47.000 I'm simply saying that the research we have shows that it's not surgery that impacts their suicide rate one way or the other.

01:21:55.000 It's the experience that they have in society where they can't get jobs, they can't find housing, and of course there's going to be consequences to come with that.

01:22:03.000 Okay.

01:22:03.000 So the suicide rate isn't impacted by surgery one way or the other.

01:22:05.000 I just want to make sure you just said that.

01:22:07.000 I'm saying that the— Because we agree on that.

01:22:10.000 That it does not make it worse.

01:22:11.000 Yeah, it doesn't make it worse, but it doesn't make it better.

01:22:14.000 Is that a fair middle ground?

01:22:15.000 I don't think that's true either, because I think that the research shows that having surgery and going through transition actually helps improve their wellness.

01:22:23.000 That's what the researcher...

01:22:24.000 You just said the opposite.

01:22:25.000 It doesn't affect it one way or the other.

01:22:26.000 Okay, let's go with that.

01:22:27.000 Let's assume that it's minute.

01:22:29.000 And even after...

01:22:30.000 Can we agree on this middle ground?

01:22:31.000 Even after surgery, the suicide rate is still astronomically higher than these other groups who have faced discrimination that I just named.

01:22:38.000 Yes?

01:22:38.000 Is that fair?

01:22:39.000 It's certainly higher than the general public.

01:22:41.000 No, then other groups have been discriminated against.

01:22:43.000 Whether they're gay... 0.94

01:22:44.000 I don't have data about what the suicide rate was among slaves hundreds of years ago. 0.94

01:22:48.000 Okay, let's use suicide rates to black Americans in the 60s.

01:22:51.000 Okay, well, I just want to make sure we can find...

01:22:53.000 I'm trying to find some middle ground there, and you're kind of going back and forth.

01:22:56.000 But let's bring you back on and talk about it more.

01:22:58.000 I appreciate you coming on here.

01:22:59.000 But Zach Ford, stay tuned, and we'll find some agreement here.

01:23:03.000 Former Governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura here.

01:23:20.000 The bod.

01:23:22.000 You know, you've got Mr. 0.99

01:23:23.000 Trump right now talking about building a wall to keep the Mexicans out of our country, and he tells you when he's feeding it down your ass that it's a national security issue. 0.98

01:23:37.000 But the bod is here to set you straight and let you know that that's all a distraction from the issues at hand, that the powers that be don't want When 0.99

01:24:10.000 When it's time to party, we will party hard.

01:24:38.000 Glad our guest has stayed with us.

01:24:38.000 Glad to be back.

01:24:40.000 Zach Ford, ThinkProgress, at Zach Ford.

01:24:44.000 Okay, Zach, do we want to stay on that issue?

01:24:46.000 Do we want to move on to anything else?

01:24:48.000 Because I feel like I was trying to find some leeway there and we weren't going to find it.

01:24:52.000 You know, it's your show, so I'll follow your lead, Steve.

01:24:55.000 Okay.

01:24:55.000 So I just want to make sure there's no way for a doctor.

01:24:59.000 In any case, anyone in the medical community, doctor, who sees the issue as anything other than full transition, surgery, hormone replacement therapy, science is in, without being denying care or transphobic, correct?

01:25:13.000 Well, I would qualify that only to say that different patients have different needs, but yes, there are standards of care for trans people, and if the doctor doesn't follow them, then they're denying them the care that they deserve.

01:25:22.000 This is important, just for people listening, and we'll get this up, it's important for people to note, I'm saying, hey...

01:25:27.000 If someone disagrees with, I'm allowing for science to maybe change.

01:25:30.000 I don't think we're there yet.

01:25:31.000 We've got to tone down that he's in a, it sounds like he's at Hogwarts there in a mess hall.

01:25:35.000 It's pretty loud.

01:25:37.000 You're saying no.

01:25:38.000 Your way is the only way.

01:25:39.000 The entire medical community agrees.

01:25:40.000 There's only two doctors who don't.

01:25:41.000 I just want to make sure.

01:25:43.000 One thing I do find, so you are, and we wanted to have Chad Felix Green on, and we wanted to respect your wishes because you and him have gone back and forth on Twitter, and I know you didn't want to.

01:25:51.000 Something that I feel like everyone should agree on.

01:25:53.000 So no one has given me a convincing argument here, and I'm willing to hear it.

01:25:57.000 Maybe you can, because I know you've made this a big part of your platform.

01:26:00.000 You're against exposure laws, disclosure laws.

01:26:03.000 For those who are listening, if someone has HIV, basic laws that say if you have HIV, AIDS, you need to disclose it to a partner before you have sex, otherwise you should be liable.

01:26:12.000 You're against that.

01:26:13.000 Let me hear a convincing argument as to why.

01:26:16.000 Well, let me ask the question, at least rhetorically, of why having the law is good.

01:26:20.000 The laws that we have on the books, criminalizing the transmission of HIV without disclosure, date back to very early in the epidemic when we didn't know as much about it.

01:26:29.000 And what we now know is that those laws actually hurt our efforts to stop the epidemic.

01:26:34.000 So the question is, do you want to actually minimize how much HIV is spread, or do you want this sort of petty feeling of justice against people who already have HIV and have to struggle with that?

01:26:47.000 Interesting you should bring up epidemic or petty struggle.

01:26:50.000 Epidemic, give me numbers.

01:26:51.000 AIDS at its highest in the United States.

01:26:54.000 I mean, it continues to be high.

01:26:55.000 I don't have all those numbers at the ready.

01:26:58.000 Ballpark.

01:27:01.000 I don't have them at the ready.

01:27:02.000 I'm not going to guess on numbers.

01:27:03.000 Comparable to cancer.

01:27:05.000 Comparable to diabetes.

01:27:06.000 Epidemic.

01:27:06.000 Comparable to bird's deer.

01:27:07.000 They're high.

01:27:08.000 They're high.

01:27:08.000 They're not.

01:27:09.000 It's still a problem.

01:27:10.000 The epidemic hasn't ended.

01:27:10.000 They're not.

01:27:11.000 They've never been high.

01:27:11.000 They're not.

01:27:12.000 How high are they outside of the gay community?

01:27:15.000 Let's be honest, according to the CDC. They're high in the gay community. 0.75

01:27:20.000 Outside of the gay community, what are the chances of contracting? 1.00

01:27:22.000 What are the numbers outside of the gay community of someone getting AIDS? I just want to say epidemic. 0.91

01:27:26.000 Epidemic is something that is measurable.

01:27:28.000 Or pandemic, if you want to go further, with SARS at the Toronto airport.

01:27:32.000 I remember they were throwing that around.

01:27:33.000 Canada was the only country to still get SARS. We screwed that one up.

01:27:38.000 You say epidemic.

01:27:39.000 You need to substantiate that.

01:27:42.000 My use of the word epidemic means that it's continually spreading, not that it's representative of any sort of numbers.

01:27:48.000 I don't really care who's vulnerable to it and who isn't.

01:27:51.000 There are a lot of people still getting it, and that's a problem.

01:27:54.000 Okay.

01:27:55.000 Well, it's an entirely preventable disease in the United States.

01:27:58.000 It sure is.

01:28:00.000 Right.

01:28:00.000 Particularly with disclosure laws.

01:28:02.000 No, those aren't helping at all.

01:28:03.000 They don't help at all.

01:28:05.000 What helps is if people get tested and if they test positive, if they get on treatment so that they can reduce their viral load to undetectable levels, that makes it nearly impossible for them to transmit the virus.

01:28:05.000 No.

01:28:16.000 Nearly impossible.

01:28:17.000 It's never happened with people having undetectable viral loads transmitting the virus.

01:28:23.000 It's virtually impossible.

01:28:24.000 Why would you say nearly or virtually if it's impossible?

01:28:30.000 Just because science hasn't found an example of it happening, it doesn't mean it can't happen, but the research shows it doesn't happen.

01:28:34.000 Well, without disclosure laws, it would be very hard to know what someone's viral load was.

01:28:38.000 You and I both know that, right?

01:28:39.000 If someone's not disclosing it, you can't possibly know what kind of treatment or where their viral load is or where you're getting the HIV. But the problem, Stephen, is that the disclosure laws actually scare people out of getting tested.

01:28:49.000 And so there are a lot of people who don't know their status.

01:28:51.000 And one of the reasons is because they're afraid if they know their status and they're positive, then they are opening themselves up to liability.

01:28:59.000 So the disclosure laws are actually discouraging people from finding out their status and discouraging people from getting tested and then discouraging people from getting treatment.

01:29:06.000 What about the right of the person who's having sex with another man who doesn't want to get HIV or AIDS? I'm still not hearing why it's not that person's right to know for it to be disclosed.

01:29:17.000 Again, I just want to hear...

01:29:18.000 This and charter schools, school choice, are two issues on which I've never heard a convincing argument.

01:29:24.000 So I want to give you one last pass, because that one didn't cut the mustard.

01:29:28.000 Well, there's certainly...

01:29:30.000 I'm not going to disagree that sharing your status is...

01:29:34.000 Proper etiquette.

01:29:35.000 But the issue is whether or not it becomes a legal issue.

01:29:38.000 And where I stand is, what about the responsibility of the person to ask the question?

01:29:41.000 You know, if a person lies about their status when they're asked about it, that's very different than simply not disclosing.

01:29:47.000 Because if a person is, you know, using a condom and they're undetectable, like, they're not posing a risk to the other person.

01:29:52.000 So why are you imposing a criminal liability on them?

01:29:54.000 It's just stigmatizing the person.

01:29:56.000 As long as that is not entirely 100% impossible, If there's a chance of you giving a potentially life-threatening virus, disease to somebody, you should disclose it.

01:30:07.000 That person has a right to know.

01:30:09.000 Well, one, it's not life-threatening anymore.

01:30:11.000 You just said it was an epidemic.

01:30:14.000 Okay, what are the death rates, then?

01:30:16.000 My point is, right, one of the single most funded diseases out there, if you're going to say epidemic, what are the numbers and what are the death rates?

01:30:21.000 If you're saying it's really not that common, it's entirely preventable, and it's not deadly, why are we going around screaming that it's an epidemic?

01:30:29.000 I'm saying that it's still very commonly spread.

01:30:32.000 But it's not, and we know it's not.

01:30:34.000 That's why you don't want to bring up the numbers.

01:30:35.000 That's why AIDS is always brought up as a percentage and not actual numbers.

01:30:38.000 It is minuscule.

01:30:39.000 It is incredibly unlikely.

01:30:41.000 But what I'm saying is that the transmission rates have not gone down.

01:30:44.000 So you can quibble about how many people are affected by it.

01:30:46.000 But the transmission rates have not gone down.

01:30:46.000 That's fine.

01:30:48.000 So the size of the problem has not gone down.

01:30:51.000 And yes, we've improved treatment that's helping people do better, but it's not necessarily...

01:30:56.000 Changing the fact that we need to get them on treatment so that they don't have the problems that people used to have when we didn't have those treatments.

01:31:02.000 So why do you apply personal responsibility to the person who may be infected with HIV to ask, but you don't apply the personal responsibility to simply go get their checkups and get treated?

01:31:10.000 Why is one responsible for someone else disclosing and that one person isn't responsible for his own sexual misconduct?

01:31:17.000 I think we're all responsible for ourselves and the decisions that we make with our bodies.

01:31:22.000 Where I have the problem is where we pass a law that criminalizes people in a way that doesn't actually help.

01:31:26.000 No, it doesn't criminalize people because you've written that.

01:31:28.000 I have it up on my screen.

01:31:29.000 Laws that criminalize HIV, you wrote, in 33 states.

01:31:31.000 Just to be clear, HIV is not criminalized in any state.

01:31:35.000 It is having sex with someone when you have HIV and not telling them.

01:31:38.000 That is the illegal acts.

01:31:40.000 So I just want to make sure we define the language, because I think that's the only way we can have these honest conversations.

01:31:44.000 Okay, Zach, I appreciate you.

01:31:45.000 Zach Ford, ThinkProgress.

01:31:47.000 We'll have you back.

01:31:48.000 I want to hear an argument on that that still sells me.

01:31:50.000 Tweet me at escrowder.

01:31:51.000 And now for a message from Paco, the friendly homophobes.

01:31:51.000 Stay tuned.

01:32:12.000 That's me.

01:32:14.000 Okay, thank you, ma'am.

01:32:15.000 You can pass on through.

01:32:16.000 Alright, next.

01:32:17.000 Come on up.

01:32:18.000 Hands out.

01:32:20.000 Legs open.

01:32:22.000 Okay, come through.

01:32:24.000 Please hold.

01:32:26.000 Alright, sir, do you mind if I pat down your right leg and inner thigh? 0.94

01:32:29.000 You don't know what you have to do.

01:32:32.000 It's your job, I understand.

01:32:33.000 Yes, thank you very much.

01:32:35.000 So I'm going to pat here...

01:32:37.000 But I know that you don't have to do.

01:32:39.000 What do you mean, sir?

01:32:41.000 I saw the other guy.

01:32:43.000 He told you I was okay to clear and go through.

01:32:46.000 But you are the one who told me you still have to pat my leg.

01:32:50.000 I don't follow.

01:32:52.000 You are patting my leg because you want to.

01:32:56.000 Not because it is your job.

01:32:58.000 And you want to pat my leg.

01:33:00.000 Unlike the blonde before me, nice lady, who you let pass through without any pat down. 1.00

01:33:07.000 Because you are not trying.

01:33:10.000 Thank you.

01:33:39.000 Thank you.

01:33:41.000 Glad to be back with you.

01:33:44.000 That was Zach Ford at Zach Ford of ThinkProgress.

01:33:47.000 Listen, people are giving him a rough time.

01:33:50.000 I appreciate the guy who got in here to accept the invitation and to debate.

01:33:54.000 Of course, we're in the third hour here.

01:33:56.000 We'll have Gavin McGinnis coming up at the half hour.

01:33:58.000 My wife, producing with me in video studio as always, even though it's a nightmare this week, is not gay. 0.99

01:34:03.000 Jared?

01:34:06.000 Thank you so much for being back with us.

01:34:08.000 I wanted to follow up on something with Zach Ford.

01:34:10.000 I have this up on my screen.

01:34:14.000 Here's some of the CDC stats regarding AIDS. We're good to go.

01:34:42.000 So, that's the reality and the number of AIDS or AIDS infections that occur in the United States on a yearly basis is in the tens of thousands out of 350 million.

01:34:51.000 Or so.

01:34:52.000 300-something million.

01:34:53.000 I think somewhere between 320, 350 million.

01:34:56.000 I think it's about 330 million in the United States.

01:34:59.000 Somewhere around there.

01:35:00.000 I round it up and I don't want people to fault me for it.

01:35:04.000 You think that's an epidemic?

01:35:05.000 I don't know.

01:35:06.000 I guess we're redefining epidemic.

01:35:07.000 Tweet me at S. Crowder.

01:35:08.000 You let me know what you think.

01:35:09.000 But certainly nowhere comparable to diabetes or heart disease or cancer.

01:35:14.000 But gets far more funding.

01:35:16.000 Does it mean that I don't feel empathetic for the Tom Hanks in Philadelphia looking character?

01:35:22.000 No, of course I do.

01:35:23.000 When I look at not gay Jared with the sullen face, of course your heart goes out to someone like that. 0.97

01:35:28.000 But I feel worse for the kid with type 2 butt diabetes who... 0.99

01:35:31.000 Type 2 butt? 0.98

01:35:32.000 Type 2 butt? 0.99

01:35:34.000 Well, now we're back to AIDS. Now we're back to AIDS. No, I do feel bad for the kid who couldn't do anything about the diabetes. 0.99

01:35:39.000 As Zach willfully admitted, AIDS is entirely preventable in the United States.

01:35:44.000 100%. 0.97

01:35:46.000 Your chance of getting AIDS in the United States if you're not having gay orgies at truck stops and shooting heroin is statistically zero. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Just so you know. 0.99

01:35:56.000 As a matter of fact, it is so low.

01:35:58.000 I don't have it in front of me.

01:35:59.000 I'll have it up at lottowithcreder.com.

01:36:00.000 I was talking about this recently.

01:36:02.000 That in the 90s, I don't know if it's still the case, but in the 90s, the CDC did not list unprotected heterosexual sex with a prostitute as a risk factor for AIDS. As Sam Kinison said, you kind of have to set an appointment up for this one, folks.

01:36:19.000 So it seems to me disclosure laws would be well within the realm of reasons.

01:36:23.000 But you tweet me, Ed S. Crowder, what you think.

01:36:25.000 I could just be wrong. 1.00

01:36:26.000 I could be a jackass. 0.99

01:36:27.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:36:27.000 I just really want to... 0.99

01:36:29.000 I think it's important to define words.

01:36:31.000 And when you say denied health care, I don't think that if a doctor is willing to treat someone on everything else who comes in...

01:36:37.000 And says, the science isn't in.

01:36:39.000 I'm not comfortable giving you cross-sexual hormone replacement therapy at this point.

01:36:44.000 I'll do everything else, but I don't want to do that.

01:36:46.000 I don't think that should be filed under hateful transphobe doctor who won't provide health care.

01:36:50.000 I get a little irked when people say, or they say, criminalizing HIV. No one is criminalizing HIV. People believe you should have to tell your partner if you have HIV. I understand if you think that's an unreasonable position, that if you're having sex with someone and you have AIDS or HIV, I believe it should be the law for you to disclose it.

01:37:07.000 I understand if you think I'm entirely unreasonable, thinking you should disclose AIDS. But you've got to do it better than it's mean.

01:37:15.000 What would you think about other STDs?

01:37:17.000 Would you file all those under, like, if you were to create the law?

01:37:22.000 Well, the problem is, again, with age, you're talking about a life...

01:37:22.000 Do you have to disclose?

01:37:24.000 Let's say Johnny over here has a bad rash of syphilis.

01:37:28.000 Right.

01:37:28.000 Should he have to tell his partner?

01:37:29.000 Well, you know why you have to?

01:37:31.000 As Chad Felix Green has talked about, you know why you have to create these laws?

01:37:33.000 Because there's a culture of gift givers and bug chasers who are out there actively trying to give this.

01:37:37.000 Do you realize you ever read The Tipping Point?

01:37:39.000 I have not.

01:37:40.000 AIDS is entirely traceable back to one gay male flight attendant from Toronto.

01:37:44.000 Do you realize that?

01:37:45.000 In North America?

01:37:46.000 100% traceable to one person who made it his goal to have as many sexual conquests as possible.

01:37:46.000 Really?

01:37:51.000 This isn't a tipping point.

01:37:52.000 It talks about airwalk shoes and different trends and how they pick up.

01:37:56.000 It had some wonderful predictions about technology.

01:37:58.000 You got Alexander the Great and his conquests.

01:38:00.000 Then you got this guy.

01:38:01.000 Yeah, you got the guy from Airplane.

01:38:03.000 And Leon's getting larger.

01:38:05.000 And he gave everyone AIDS. So, this is reality. 0.86

01:38:09.000 And this is the one thing that, listen, with Donald Trump, and I appreciate that someone doesn't feel the need to be politically correct.

01:38:15.000 That is something I can appreciate.

01:38:16.000 One more note.

01:38:17.000 I'm going to get to Hiroshima here, and then we'll have my wife on the next segment. 0.97

01:38:21.000 With Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton, I think this is important to note.

01:38:24.000 I don't think Donald Trump is a proactive liar.

01:38:26.000 I really don't.

01:38:28.000 I think Donald Trump was telling the truth when he said that he was a thoughtless person.

01:38:32.000 When he said, you know, I'd never thought of abortion before.

01:38:35.000 I was a businessman.

01:38:35.000 I'd never thought of it.

01:38:37.000 I believe him.

01:38:38.000 Now, I'm not an abortion doctor, I'm not a doctor, but I've always thought about abortion, because it's something that people listening to this show, watching this show, these are things that you think about.

01:38:47.000 I believe that Hillary Clinton lied when she is vehemently against same-sex marriage.

01:38:52.000 And now she's for it, and she says she's always been for it. 0.99

01:38:55.000 I think she's a proactive liar. 0.91

01:38:56.000 I don't think Donald Trump's a proactive liar. 0.98

01:38:58.000 I think, as he has said, he's a thoughtless person.

01:39:02.000 And so I think it comes down to this election, what do you see to be more corrosive?

01:39:07.000 An intentional liar in Hillary Clinton, or someone whose defense on these issues has been to say, I never thought of it.

01:39:13.000 I'm a thoughtless person.

01:39:16.000 So I will give him that credit.

01:39:17.000 I don't think he's lying on those things.

01:39:19.000 I don't think he's thought about these issues.

01:39:20.000 Like he said, I don't think he's thought about it.

01:39:22.000 I think a president should have thought about those issues.

01:39:25.000 I don't think he has.

01:39:26.000 Because he said he didn't.

01:39:28.000 So listen, I'll give him credit where it's due there.

01:39:30.000 Speaking of thoughtless, people who got really mad about Hiroshima this week because Barack Obama did his Japan tour.

01:39:35.000 Thank God they don't have nukes.

01:39:38.000 And the theme, the underlying tone was apologetic.

01:39:41.000 It certainly wasn't, listen, you guys screwed up. 0.98

01:39:43.000 You were animals during World War II. You got what you had coming to you. 0.96

01:39:46.000 That would have been my approach.

01:39:48.000 So a lot of people, including some conservatives, still feel guilty about Hiroshima, the bombing, dropping the A-bomb, Nagasaki, and felt guilty.

01:39:58.000 I don't.

01:39:59.000 I don't at all.

01:40:00.000 Let me explain to you why.

01:40:01.000 It wasn't a mistake.

01:40:03.000 Now, let's explain the difference again between good versus evil.

01:40:06.000 People go, well, not nearly as many people died at Pearl Harbor.

01:40:08.000 I don't care.

01:40:09.000 I don't care.

01:40:10.000 Just like I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one human life, when someone kills people unprovoked or kills innocent people in the World Trade Center, for example, that's way worse than an act of war. 0.83

01:40:24.000 Mm-hmm. 0.96

01:40:25.000 Well, you kill way more and it doesn't matter.

01:40:27.000 The United States didn't target civilian populations and they released leaflets warning people for days.

01:40:34.000 Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of leaflets, I have the link up here on the website, saying, leave.

01:40:40.000 Dropping them directly in population centers to Japanese civilians, saying, we're going to bomb these places. 1.00

01:40:45.000 Because you know their own government wouldn't.

01:40:47.000 No, their own government wouldn't.

01:40:48.000 Their own government said they were willing to sacrifice millions of lives.

01:40:51.000 And they were.

01:40:52.000 Even after the bombings.

01:40:54.000 Even after the bombing.

01:40:55.000 It took Nagasaki. 0.56

01:40:56.000 And they actually tried to assassinate the Empress?

01:41:01.000 I love that guy, that Chinese guy.

01:41:02.000 Yeah.

01:41:03.000 When he was going to make the radio announcement that they were going to concede in the war, people tried to assassinate him because they still wanted Japan to keep fighting.

01:41:08.000 The military leaders still wanted to keep fighting.

01:41:10.000 Yes, they still wanted to keep fighting.

01:41:11.000 And they were willing to sacrifice their own people.

01:41:14.000 So it's very important that you know that.

01:41:15.000 And the United States said, gosh, we know a ground war is going to lead to millions of casualties.

01:41:20.000 If you look at the documents that went back and forth, this was something that was deliberated over for a long time.

01:41:24.000 Bill Whittle's done a great video on this.

01:41:26.000 He said, we know there are going to be far more casualties if we go in on the ground.

01:41:30.000 Not to mention, of course, how far the Axis could get. 0.80

01:41:33.000 We don't know.

01:41:34.000 And people will say, well, what about Russia?

01:41:35.000 Now, listen.

01:41:36.000 It wasn't just Russia.

01:41:37.000 The United States...

01:41:38.000 The A-bomb was kind of the catalyst. 1.00

01:41:40.000 And they said, we've got to do something.

01:41:41.000 Okay. 0.84

01:41:42.000 Well, we're going to target military bases, but, you know, kind of like Muslims today. 1.00

01:41:46.000 Well, they put these in there in these big population centers.

01:41:47.000 Okay.

01:41:48.000 What can we do to try and limit this?

01:41:50.000 Well, let's release leaflets.

01:41:52.000 Let's try and let the people know.

01:41:54.000 Why?

01:41:54.000 Because we know their government.

01:41:55.000 And let's release them strategically in different spots at different times because we know the Japanese government is going to hide it from their people because they will hide behind their people as human shields while the United States tries to defend their people, just like Hamas. 0.88

01:42:06.000 They fire their rockets from schools and from mosques so that when Israeli troops try and fire back, they can go, look at the people you killed!

01:42:15.000 Whereas Israel, if you've ever been to Israel, anyone out there who's been to Israel, Dave Rubin will tell you about this too, they build bombs. 1.00

01:42:20.000 It's just a part of the kids in Israeli schools.

01:42:22.000 They have bomb shelters.

01:42:24.000 Siren goes off, they get to bomb shelters.

01:42:25.000 Those don't exist with Hamas.

01:42:27.000 They throw their people forward as human shields.

01:42:29.000 Same thing with the Japanese. 1.00

01:42:30.000 So that's why they dropped leaflets to try and warn people.

01:42:33.000 That's benevolent.

01:42:35.000 I don't even think it was necessary to do that.

01:42:38.000 Thank God the Americans did.

01:42:40.000 Of course, you have kamikazes.

01:42:42.000 So, let's get to...

01:42:44.000 That's the sentiment.

01:42:45.000 That matters.

01:42:46.000 The spirit of what happened before the attack.

01:42:48.000 One was clearly trying to attack without warning.

01:42:51.000 One was clearly trying to prevent as many civilian casualties as possible.

01:42:54.000 I think that matters.

01:42:55.000 You can tweet me at uscratter whether you think it matters or not.

01:42:57.000 Let's get to the results.

01:42:58.000 Millions of lives were spared.

01:43:00.000 Every historian who has studied war and who has studied particularly ground battles, I don't want to say every historian.

01:43:07.000 I don't want to pull a Zach Ford.

01:43:08.000 Most agree.

01:43:09.000 And if you look at wars and how bloody they were, especially at the gridlock that was occurring in World War II, would have been far worse than dropping these significant weapons.

01:43:19.000 Would have been far more bloody.

01:43:21.000 And listen, not only for the Japanese, but I'm going to tell you something.

01:43:24.000 Yep, I care more about the Americans.

01:43:27.000 Even if it weren't the Japanese, even if it were the same amount of civilian casualties, if it prevented American casualties in war, I still would support it. 0.97

01:43:36.000 So I want to make sure that you don't think I'm backing off and saying only because of Japanese.

01:43:40.000 No, no, no.

01:43:40.000 Even if that weren't the case, even though it's the case, more innocent Japanese lives were saved.

01:43:45.000 Even if that weren't the case and it only saved more American lives, I would still support dropping the A-bomb. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Why?

01:43:52.000 Look at the survival rates in their internment camps, in their prisoner of war camps versus the United States.

01:43:58.000 It's not even close.

01:43:59.000 It's not even close. 0.50

01:44:00.000 They were absolute animals.

01:44:02.000 They were barbaric animals, and that was what we were up against.

01:44:04.000 And it's so easy to look back and say, oh my gosh, I can't believe we're the only country.

01:44:08.000 I had a teacher one time said, we're the only country to have used the A-bomb. 0.99

01:44:12.000 Who gives a rat's ass? 0.99

01:44:14.000 What's the reason for it? 0.99

01:44:15.000 You can use a tank to run over someone in Tiananmen Square, or you can use a tank to liberate a nation of people.

01:44:22.000 Violence is not inherently immoral.

01:44:24.000 And this is what they teach on college campus.

01:44:25.000 I remember I had to do a project one time, this Photoshop project in college.

01:44:29.000 I was in film school.

01:44:31.000 And I did one on 9-11, and she said it would be more effective if you did it on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

01:44:37.000 So reissue it.

01:44:38.000 And I said, no, I'm not going to, because I think this is worse.

01:44:41.000 He said, yeah, but not nearly as many lives were lost.

01:44:43.000 I said, I know.

01:44:44.000 I know.

01:44:44.000 But they were more important lives.

01:44:45.000 And they weren't people who were taking out innocent lives.

01:44:47.000 I'm glad.

01:44:47.000 So you know what?

01:44:48.000 I'm glad that the kamikazes and people who were filling other soldiers' water with organs and imploding them. 1.00

01:44:54.000 That was Japanese waterboarding.

01:44:55.000 I'm glad they were taken out.

01:44:56.000 I feel bad about the people who were working in their office buildings.

01:44:58.000 Sorry!

01:44:59.000 Not a moral equivalency.

01:45:00.000 So I want to make sure I'm clear on that.

01:45:02.000 You can read the article at louderwithcreditor.com.

01:45:04.000 Don't think I'm backing it up.

01:45:05.000 I hope I've crystallized my thoughts.

01:45:08.000 After the break, Mrs.

01:45:09.000 Crowder with a story.

01:45:10.000 Mrs.

01:45:11.000 Crowder, coming up.

01:45:12.000 Very funny story.

01:45:12.000 Sad story.

01:45:12.000 Troy, stay tuned.

01:45:13.000 This week in feminism. 1.00

01:45:23.000 We are here live.

01:45:29.000 Wait, how much time do we have left on that one?

01:45:32.000 We've got about a minute, 20.

01:45:35.000 Yeah, no, I was, um...

01:45:37.000 It was disappointing that Zach didn't want to come on with Chad.

01:45:42.000 Wait, what?

01:45:43.000 No, see, right there.

01:45:43.000 Chad?

01:45:44.000 I didn't say female.

01:45:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:48.000 You seem pretty firm about him.

01:45:51.000 I think, I don't know, maybe he'll be able to bench the camera.

01:45:56.000 This week in cultural appropriation...

01:46:00.000 Can you imagine?

01:46:01.000 Seems like a good guy, too.

01:46:02.000 Like, I've always...

01:46:03.000 Oh, excuse me, sir.

01:46:07.000 It takes a brass period to come out.

01:46:09.000 That's actually really offensive.

01:46:11.000 Perpetuating a negative Mexican stereotype.

01:46:14.000 You should do away with the squirrels. 1.00

01:46:17.000 He doesn't seem like too much of a faggot compared to some of the other people. 1.00

01:46:22.000 He's a good guy. 0.99

01:46:23.000 Mexican? 0.63

01:46:24.000 No habla inglés. 1.00

01:46:26.000 Join us next week for more in cultural appropriation.

01:46:35.000 Music.

01:46:53.000 Glad to be back.

01:46:54.000 I'm not happy that we don't have the Street Fighter bump in there.

01:46:57.000 I don't know what you did.

01:46:58.000 It hasn't been in today.

01:47:00.000 Next week from NotKJ.

01:47:00.000 Next week?

01:47:02.000 We had a great bump.

01:47:03.000 I don't know.

01:47:04.000 I'm livid.

01:47:04.000 I'm just so upset.

01:47:06.000 I am livid, but I do want...

01:47:07.000 This is why we need our next guest here.

01:47:09.000 So when you hear this song, you know exactly who's coming on.

01:47:12.000 She's a lady. 1.00

01:47:15.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:47:16.000 Oh, she's a lady talking about that little lady. 1.00

01:47:21.000 And the lady is mine.

01:47:25.000 It's Mrs. Gray.

01:47:26.000 Crowder.

01:47:27.000 Mrs.

01:47:27.000 Crowder, thank you for being with us.

01:47:28.000 Oh, you're welcome.

01:47:29.000 You interrupted my bath, but that's okay.

01:47:32.000 Well, people on Twitter were saying, hide the white wine with Mrs. 0.98

01:47:35.000 Crowder.

01:47:36.000 No, I didn't have any white wine today, but I did eat a packet of donuts for dinner.

01:47:40.000 For dinner?

01:47:41.000 I did too.

01:47:42.000 Oh! 0.60

01:47:43.000 High five!

01:47:44.000 No, that's enough of this.

01:47:45.000 Okay, so we don't have a ton of time in this segment, but you had a story, and I don't know if it was just because it was late.

01:47:50.000 This has been a really long week.

01:47:52.000 But Hillary starts getting texts this week, and Not Gay Jared has not heard this.

01:47:55.000 This is a 100% true story.

01:47:57.000 So Not Gay Jared can just bring this up on my computer so you can see it for people watching the live stream.

01:48:03.000 My wife all of a sudden just starts getting texts, multiple texts, of hospital food. 1.00

01:48:10.000 Just food coming through from a phone.

01:48:13.000 Four, five, six?

01:48:13.000 What was it?

01:48:14.000 I got eight.

01:48:16.000 And it wasn't just...

01:48:17.000 You need to show the pictures because it wasn't just a hospital food.

01:48:20.000 It was pictures of various hospital foods in various stages of being eaten.

01:48:24.000 Okay.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:48:25.000 Here's another one for Not Gay Jared to bring up. 0.98

01:48:27.000 And it's so gross. 0.90

01:48:28.000 And it came from an unknown number.

01:48:30.000 And they all came at once.

01:48:31.000 And I was eating my lunch at a restaurant.

01:48:34.000 This is bizarre.

01:48:35.000 I'm bringing up the pictures here.

01:48:36.000 Bring this up for people.

01:48:36.000 Not Gay Jared.

01:48:36.000 I'm looking at them.

01:48:37.000 It's the same thing.

01:48:39.000 But it's food and it's in various stages of being eaten.

01:48:42.000 And then it's different dishes than other stages of being eaten.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, there are multiple dishes.

01:48:46.000 There was like brisket, there was pasta, and it's clearly hospital food.

01:48:50.000 There was meatloaf.

01:48:52.000 So eight pictures being sent to you of food and then half-eaten food.

01:48:56.000 Yeah, and no text, just pictures all of a sudden to my phone of Happy Now.

01:49:00.000 And for some reason, here's what I thought was funny, for some reason, you felt compelled to respond.

01:49:07.000 Tell me what happened.

01:49:08.000 So you got these pictures, and then what transpired?

01:49:10.000 Well, I got these pictures, and I'm looking at them, and I'm trying to eat my own lunch, and I'm like, ooh, this is gross.

01:49:18.000 And then my sister called and I told her what happened and I shared the pictures with her.

01:49:23.000 And I'm like, what should I say?

01:49:25.000 I mean, obviously this is supposed to go to someone.

01:49:29.000 I mean, this is kind of gross.

01:49:31.000 I don't want to be rude.

01:49:32.000 And then my sister was like, well, it's coming from a hospital.

01:49:35.000 This could be a suicidal person.

01:49:37.000 So you better make sure that you're nice.

01:49:40.000 So, I'm like, oh my gosh, she's probably right.

01:49:43.000 This could be someone where this is like their last meal, and if they don't get validation, they're about to off themselves and hang themselves at the shower curtain.

01:49:49.000 These photos are not, they're not positivity inducing.

01:49:52.000 They're not positive.

01:49:54.000 So, I just texted back, and I said, oh, looks delicious.

01:50:00.000 I think you have the wrong number.

01:50:05.000 I don't think it's that funny.

01:50:07.000 It doesn't.

01:50:08.000 I didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

01:50:13.000 I didn't want them to kill themselves.

01:50:15.000 I wanted to make sure if they were looking for validation that the right person received a picture of the half-eaten food.

01:50:20.000 It is the most bizarre white lie that I have ever heard.

01:50:27.000 And was there any more text after that?

01:50:28.000 No, so I'm concerned about what happened to them.

01:50:33.000 Jared's looking at this picture going, really?

01:50:35.000 First off, none of it looks delicious.

01:50:37.000 No.

01:50:38.000 So if you've been texting my wife, I don't know what to tell you.

01:50:45.000 You haven't gotten any more texts since.

01:50:48.000 No, and it's been a couple days, so I feel like it would be inappropriate for me to follow through or follow up again.

01:50:55.000 Yeah, that would be awkward.

01:50:55.000 I don't know, maybe I could.

01:50:57.000 Tweetmate S. Crowder, what would you do in this situation?

01:50:57.000 And just be like, hey...

01:51:00.000 Would you have tweeted the back sounds delicious?

01:51:04.000 No, it looks delicious.

01:51:05.000 I mean, it couldn't be important.

01:51:06.000 Sorry.

01:51:06.000 It looks delicious.

01:51:07.000 It was visually based.

01:51:08.000 Of course, these were pictures.

01:51:10.000 Well, I think that's very sweet of you.

01:51:13.000 Thank you.

01:51:14.000 I don't know if it was the best tact to take. 0.56

01:51:19.000 If they were suicidal, and I didn't say anything, and they thought that it went to their mother or something, and their mother didn't give a crap about their hospital food that they were eating, then that could have been the last freaking straw.

01:51:36.000 Is this actually your thought process? 0.93

01:51:38.000 Yes!

01:51:39.000 So you genuinely believe that when you sent someone the message, looks delicious, you were potentially saving a life?

01:51:47.000 I think that there's a strong possibility.

01:51:49.000 Or, okay, not strong.

01:51:51.000 I think that there's a possibility.

01:51:52.000 Obviously they're in the hospital.

01:51:54.000 Okay, question time.

01:51:55.000 If that was how you wanted to save their life, that was the limit you were able to go to?

01:52:02.000 Yeah, now I thought it was sweet, but that's not that much.

01:52:06.000 If it was that serious, you wouldn't have called them?

01:52:08.000 Maybe call like, hey, Suicide Hotline?

01:52:10.000 Something?

01:52:12.000 Just tell them their meatloaf looks nice.

01:52:15.000 Well, if you ever hear, if it's ever on your tombstone, Stephen, last words you heard was, looks delicious.

01:52:20.000 We know what kind of dark place you are in.

01:52:23.000 Probably because of YouTube in Nashville.

01:52:24.000 I'm just reaching out.

01:52:26.000 I've reached my boiling point, and my wife says, looks delicious.

01:52:29.000 No, I do.

01:52:30.000 I think that was very, there was very sweet of you.

01:52:32.000 And I hope that the person is doing okay.

01:52:34.000 I do too.

01:52:35.000 You know, it's not nice.

01:52:37.000 Okay, but then we have to go.

01:52:38.000 Your mustache.

01:52:39.000 I know.

01:52:40.000 That's true.

01:52:40.000 My wife won't sleep with me when I have this mustache.

01:52:40.000 Get rid of it.

01:52:42.000 It's It is really gross.

01:52:45.000 But it's foreshadowing for people out there.

01:52:47.000 Jean-Guy Tremblay, just so you know.

01:52:49.000 We've been working on a video.

01:52:50.000 Hillary knows.

01:52:51.000 She's very tolerant of this.

01:52:52.000 That's one L, or as I call her, good Hillary. 1.00

01:52:54.000 And one more thing before you go.

01:52:56.000 Corroborate for Not Gay Jared. 0.95

01:52:58.000 The elf. 0.86

01:52:59.000 Oh my gosh.

01:53:00.000 It was a true elf.

01:53:02.000 Straight from wherever elves come from. 0.99

01:53:04.000 I've never seen anything like it.

01:53:05.000 From the Keebler tree.

01:53:07.000 From the North Pole.

01:53:08.000 I've never seen anything like it.

01:53:10.000 It was absolutely incredible.

01:53:12.000 Also, quick shout out to whoever is running Hopper Crowd or Twitter.

01:53:16.000 I am stalking you constantly.

01:53:18.000 I love you and you've completely channeled the soul and essence of Hopper.

01:53:22.000 Thank you very much.

01:53:22.000 So thank you.

01:53:23.000 You have to go.

01:53:23.000 Sweetheart, we love you.

01:53:25.000 She's a lady. 1.00

01:53:27.000 Oh, oh, oh.

01:53:29.000 She's a lady. 1.00

01:53:31.000 Talking about me.

01:53:36.000 And the lady is mine.

01:53:38.000 All right, get out of here.

01:53:41.000 Sometimes you've got to be nice and safe.

01:53:43.000 You've got to keep your pimp hands strong!

01:53:46.000 Pimpin' ain't easy!

01:53:48.000 Pimpin' ain't easy!

01:53:49.000 Not easy!

01:53:51.000 All right, thank you to the missus for telling that story.

01:53:54.000 I thought it was sweet.

01:53:55.000 I know some people may not think it's sweet.

01:53:57.000 Someone who's not that sweet coming up next is Gavin McInnes.

01:53:59.000 Not that sweet.

01:54:00.000 I like him, but he's not cute and cuddly.

01:54:02.000 No.

01:54:02.000 He can fool you.

01:54:03.000 A little thorny.

01:54:03.000 Oh, it's spiky.

01:54:04.000 It's kind of like an armadillo.

01:54:06.000 You think, like, oh, he's kind of cute, then he rolls up into a ball.

01:54:08.000 A semi-charming armadillo.

01:54:11.000 Yes, he is charming.

01:54:12.000 He's just not particularly warm.

01:54:12.000 Semi-charming.

01:54:14.000 No.

01:54:15.000 No.

01:54:15.000 And reptiles are cold-blooded.

01:54:17.000 Are armadillos reptiles?

01:54:18.000 Yes.

01:54:18.000 I don't know.

01:54:18.000 We're going to talk.

01:54:19.000 He has a great point to make, Gavin McInnes, that he wrote about this week.

01:54:23.000 Ladder with Crowder.

01:54:24.000 Kevin McGinnis.

01:54:24.000 tuned.

01:54:24.000 Stay tuned.

01:54:38.000 Watching the live stream.

01:54:38.000 Hey, you.

01:54:40.000 Don't forget to tweet us.

01:54:41.000 That's Crowder.

01:54:42.000 It's a good time.

01:54:43.000 Oh, and subscribe below.

01:54:45.000 Yeah.

01:54:46.000 And you're also going to the hour with Crowder.com where you have all kinds of articles and more stuff than you see here.

01:54:51.000 Hey, why are you brushing your teeth in the shower?

01:54:53.000 My favorite time.

01:54:54.000 I read it in GQ. I've never thought about that.

01:54:56.000 I guess it does.

01:54:58.000 I'ma do the things that I want to do I ain't got a thing to prove to you I ain't Alright, we have our next guest.

01:55:17.000 I'm sorry about that.

01:55:18.000 He was supposed to swap out that bump track, so he will be fired.

01:55:22.000 But we have a lovely guest.

01:55:23.000 We have him here all the time.

01:55:24.000 Good friend of the show.

01:55:25.000 You can watch his daily show at compoundmedia.com.

01:55:28.000 Over there, you've got Anthony Kumiya.

01:55:30.000 You've got him.

01:55:31.000 He's doing shows at therebel.media.

01:55:33.000 You can follow him on Twitter at Gavin McGinnis.

01:55:36.000 Thank you for being on, sir.

01:55:38.000 Thank you for having me, Stephen.

01:55:39.000 So we had a underscore McInnes.

01:55:41.000 Sorry, you gotta fix that.

01:55:42.000 That makes it more complex.

01:55:43.000 I know.

01:55:44.000 Doesn't that make me look old?

01:55:45.000 That's what old guys do. 1.00

01:55:46.000 They go, I better put an underscore in there so people can differentiate.

01:55:51.000 It's a Bernie Sanders move.

01:55:53.000 But if I want to keep my email private, I'll put just the initial for my middle name with an underscore.

01:55:59.000 No one will be wiser.

01:56:01.000 I'll write out the word at.

01:56:03.000 The bots can't figure that out.

01:56:04.000 No, exactly.

01:56:06.000 Oh, I remember I had the same email for a long time.

01:56:09.000 Remember in Canada, everything was Hotmail.

01:56:11.000 There was no AOL. It used MSN. And my first email ever was wedgymaniac at hotmail.com.

01:56:17.000 And when I started booking shows as a stand-up comic, I was using that.

01:56:21.000 And even among comedians, the bookers are like, this is unprofessional.

01:56:24.000 You should change that.

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:27.000 My outgoing message has been funny my whole life, and then I was buying this house, and I was getting all these mortgage people calling and buyers, and it's the first, at 45, it was the first time I said, you've reached Gavin McInnes, I'll leave a message after the tone, I'll try to get back to you.

01:56:43.000 Before, I was doing voices and farting and getting my Jamaican doorman to go, well, go on, he's not here, you know, Babylon's cruising in.

01:56:51.000 That art form's gone.

01:56:52.000 I don't think it should be gone.

01:56:54.000 I think you should bring it back.

01:56:55.000 If you have the house now, then go back to it.

01:56:57.000 What do you need it for?

01:56:58.000 You're right.

01:56:59.000 I think it's time.

01:57:00.000 We closed last week.

01:57:02.000 I'm ready to reinvent the outgoing message.

01:57:04.000 There you go.

01:57:05.000 Gavin McGinnis grows up enough to get a house.

01:57:08.000 And then regresses.

01:57:09.000 That's what we want to see.

01:57:11.000 So Gavin, you were talking about this this week, your kind of overall concept, and it's interesting.

01:57:16.000 You've been on this for a little bit. 0.95

01:57:18.000 Heroes are crapped on and perverts and degenerates are exalted. 0.88

01:57:22.000 Am I capturing that correctly? 0.98

01:57:24.000 You are correct.

01:57:25.000 So it started out with, you know, the jocks get too much love.

01:57:28.000 What about the nerds?

01:57:29.000 That's when you had square pegs in the 80s and, hey, give the nerds a chance. 1.00

01:57:33.000 We went, okay. 1.00

01:57:34.000 And then somewhere in the past 10 years now, the losers are gods and the heroes are scumbags. 0.99

01:57:42.000 So it's even gone way worse than it was before. 0.98

01:57:45.000 And I was saying this to Paul Joseph Watson.

01:57:47.000 We need to just put society in a Word doc and go edit, find, replace, proud, shame.

01:57:52.000 Because we got that.

01:57:53.000 The salon has a guy.

01:57:55.000 He says, hey, I'm a pedophile, but I've never molested a child.

01:58:00.000 Yay! 0.99

01:58:01.000 You did it.

01:58:02.000 You did it. 0.99

01:58:03.000 And then a guy shoots an ape that's about to kill a child. 1.00

01:58:06.000 And we go, you jerk. 1.00

01:58:09.000 You should have talked it out. 1.00

01:58:10.000 I know.

01:58:11.000 I got some conservatives who were mad at me because I wrote about how I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one human child and I wouldn't even be late to dinner.

01:58:19.000 Like, oh, all life is...

01:58:20.000 And libertarian conservatives decided this was the fight they wanted to pick.

01:58:23.000 They're like, you could have tranquilized it.

01:58:24.000 No, because in real life, you hit a gorilla with a tranquilizer and you piss it off for a while and he has your little kid in one hand and a bunch of time and doesn't know what to do with it in the other.

01:58:34.000 And you've got about three minutes before he goes lights out, in which case he could collapse on the child. 1.00

01:58:38.000 So people just say incredibly stupid things. 1.00

01:58:40.000 But I think you're right. 1.00

01:58:42.000 I think you're right.

01:58:42.000 You know, I also think a big part of that is you kind of sort of mentioned jocks and nerds.

01:58:46.000 That's actually relatively recent.

01:58:48.000 If you look at great men in history, they were both.

01:58:51.000 You weren't considered a complete man without the physicality, without being intellectual.

01:58:56.000 It wasn't considered crazy to tell a man you loved him, to have intimate relationships, and it wasn't considered gay. 0.67

01:59:01.000 That's kind of a modern symptom of leftism telling everyone maybe you're secretly gay. 0.99

01:59:06.000 Well, the whole concept of the jock rapist is the blonde with the letterman sweater, and he's out there raping all day and raping cheerleaders. 0.99

01:59:14.000 That's why the UVA hoax was so successful. 0.97

01:59:17.000 That's why Mattress Girl has her narrative. 1.00

01:59:19.000 But when you actually look into it, you go, I've done some research. 0.85

01:59:22.000 Those guys are at the bottom of the rape list. 1.00

01:59:25.000 And when I include prison, men are at the bottom of the rape victim, I mean, men are at the top of the rape victim list. 0.99

01:59:30.000 And you realize your stupid little John Hughes film narrative Isn't even close to reality, but for some reason it's been very successful. 0.98

01:59:39.000 And now it affects everyone. 0.99

01:59:40.000 Like, look at this guy in the cover of The Post today, okay? 0.99

01:59:43.000 Someone breaks into his house, starts raping his wife. 0.99

01:59:46.000 He beats the guy to death. 0.99

01:59:47.000 He's arrested.

01:59:49.000 Yeah, I know.

01:59:50.000 These moms, right, they let their kids play, they let their kids get into trouble, and they're called, well, I know I can't swear on your show, S-H-I-T-T-Y moms. 1.00

02:00:03.000 Can I spell the bad word?

02:00:04.000 No, it's fine.

02:00:07.000 And they glorify themselves as bad moms, but all they're really doing is duplicating a 70s childhood. 1.00

02:00:13.000 They let their kids get a nosebleed. 0.99

02:00:14.000 They don't hover around their kids.

02:00:16.000 And they're owning it the way gun nuts do.

02:00:20.000 But you realize that these gun nuts, these people that understand that more guns equal less crime and the hood would be a lot safer if people had guns.

02:00:28.000 Well, don't use the term gun nuts.

02:00:30.000 You're using the leftist language.

02:00:32.000 No, they use that term, though.

02:00:34.000 We've since taken it over.

02:00:36.000 And they say, yeah, I'm a gun nut.

02:00:37.000 You got me.

02:00:38.000 And it's this topsy-turvy land where these people are so in touch with reality.

02:00:42.000 Look at Katie Couric. 0.97

02:00:44.000 She goes, I came with something.

02:00:46.000 Felons can get guns.

02:00:46.000 A felon.

02:00:48.000 I'm going to bring that up with gun owners. 0.70

02:00:49.000 And they would have never thought of that because I've never met them and I don't know how they operate.

02:00:54.000 And she did that and she had to fake edit to make the narrative clear. 0.97

02:00:59.000 Let me show you something here.

02:01:01.000 Get careful.

02:01:02.000 This is actually loaded because it's going to be going target shooting soon.

02:01:05.000 That's illegal.

02:01:07.000 That has over 10 rounds.

02:01:08.000 People don't understand that.

02:01:10.000 22 revolver with over 10 rounds.

02:01:10.000 An old revolver.

02:01:12.000 So it's so arbitrary, and Katie Couric doesn't even understand that.

02:01:15.000 You can have a lever-action rifle that would have higher than the maximum capacity. 0.85

02:01:19.000 It's silly.

02:01:20.000 Everything that she talks about is arbitrary, and when you hear her speak, she clearly has no idea what she's talking about. 0.86

02:01:25.000 I know you're Canadian, so I know some of those things might get passed in the technicality, but as a gun owner and I watch her, I go, this is complete BS. And so the second I heard it on Monday, I called BS. I said, there's no way this interview wasn't edited.

02:01:37.000 And then by Wednesday, we were vindicated.

02:01:39.000 It was so obvious.

02:01:40.000 So obvious.

02:01:41.000 Anyone who's spoken to any of them knows how ballistic they go when you bring up any of the clichés.

02:01:47.000 They've been through them a million times.

02:01:49.000 And the answer is, felons can't get guns, blah, blah, blah. 0.77

02:01:52.000 I mean, I'm not even going to go through it now, but the big picture here is that they've been vilifying the patriarchy and, you know, the alpha male for so long that they're now glorifying disgusting pariahs.

02:02:04.000 And, by the way, this is why the left It ends up with ISIS and Sharia law because they go, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 0.80

02:02:11.000 And now they prefer people who throw gays off buildings to guys who are friends with gays because they don't fit the narrative.

02:02:20.000 Right.

02:02:20.000 Yeah, it really is a tough one for them.

02:02:23.000 And what I find funny is, we were just talking about this earlier, democratic socialism they use, for example.

02:02:28.000 Yeah.

02:02:29.000 Well, it's democratic.

02:02:30.000 Well, guess what? 0.99

02:02:31.000 In any Islamic country right now, you could throw it to a democratic vote to beat your wives. 1.00

02:02:35.000 Women are getting the crap kicked out of them. 1.00

02:02:36.000 Just because you add democratic in front of slavery, genocide, it doesn't make it okay. 1.00

02:02:42.000 Why don't you go door to door in Russia saying, I'd like to be the new president. 0.99

02:02:48.000 I hate Jews. 1.00

02:02:50.000 You will be incredibly popular. 1.00

02:02:53.000 It's true.

02:02:54.000 You could democratically win on any anti-Semitic platform over there. 0.99

02:02:58.000 If she's gay, you'd do fantastic. 0.98

02:03:00.000 You'd also just give people free toilet paper and you could buy their vote. 0.99

02:03:02.000 Most people need...

02:03:03.000 Okay, so that's the over...

02:03:05.000 I love that point.

02:03:06.000 Man, we should have had him on for two...

02:03:07.000 How long do we have to the end of the...

02:03:09.000 Five minutes.

02:03:09.000 We've got five minutes, okay.

02:03:11.000 We'll go right back to that, but real quick, because we've been talking about this and no one has definitively answered this, Gavin.

02:03:16.000 It's childish, but then again, so is this program.

02:03:18.000 Who do you think would win in a fight? 0.87

02:03:20.000 If you're a millionaire, you can make it happen.

02:03:22.000 Male silverback gorilla...

02:03:24.000 Stop it, Jared.

02:03:25.000 It's topical now.

02:03:26.000 Male silverback gorilla or grizzly bear?

02:03:29.000 I am a millionaire, by the way, and I may actually do this.

02:03:33.000 I mean, actually think about it, because almost everyone I know has gone back and forth.

02:03:36.000 When you really think about it, your first instinct is gorilla, and then you go, hold on a second, grizzly bear?

02:03:43.000 Well, they're both sheer muscle, right?

02:03:45.000 Right.

02:03:46.000 But as far as actual razor-sharp claws go, the gorilla just has his weird Homer Simpson beak that he uses to bite off your heels and your groin and then your chin.

02:03:57.000 Wait, is that the order?

02:03:58.000 Where is this coming from?

02:04:00.000 Well, I'm basically on chimps.

02:04:02.000 Oh, okay.

02:04:03.000 When chimps attack, they go for your heels, then your groin, then your face, and then your hands. 1.00

02:04:07.000 Unless they're on red wine and Xanax with the remote control and they rip off your face.

02:04:11.000 That's how you knew that was a tragedy.

02:04:12.000 Like, that's not the natural order of the chimp attack. 0.99

02:04:17.000 What's he doing on the face?

02:04:18.000 He knows you need no heels to not run away.

02:04:22.000 So, you're leading towards Grizzly, it sounds.

02:04:25.000 I'm leading towards Grizzly because they're both just muscle mass like sharks.

02:04:28.000 But what's unique about the Grizzly is he has these razor blades on his fingers.

02:04:33.000 Right.

02:04:33.000 So, they're equally matched except for razor blade hands.

02:04:36.000 And he's going to get in there.

02:04:37.000 He's going to be lacerating the face. 0.98

02:04:39.000 Go ahead and try to bite my heels off with no eyes.

02:04:42.000 I think it depends on environmental factors.

02:04:42.000 Right.

02:04:44.000 If the gorilla can grab something, use it as a club, maybe. 0.62

02:04:48.000 But, okay, so, Gavin, you can tweet us.

02:04:48.000 I don't know.

02:04:50.000 Or maybe there's a baby just thing around.

02:04:51.000 Tweet him at Gavin underscore McGinnis if you disagree with him.

02:04:53.000 This is one of the things that gets the most heated discussion on Twitter, Gavin.

02:04:56.000 People are very passionate in their opinions about gorilla versus grizzly bear.

02:05:00.000 Well, get a scientist on.

02:05:02.000 I bet there's an answer for that.

02:05:03.000 I've spoken with two different scientists, and I've gotten two different opinions, even from them.

02:05:08.000 Wow.

02:05:09.000 Because they're like, well, the intellect, and they're like, yeah, but then they're by nature vegetarian, so they're not super aggressive.

02:05:15.000 So it's tough.

02:05:16.000 It is a tough question.

02:05:16.000 It's tough.

02:05:18.000 I hope someday we get to see it happen.

02:05:19.000 That's all I hope.

02:05:20.000 So, okay, where do you think we go, Gavin?

02:05:23.000 Because, listen, you're not necessarily a jock.

02:05:25.000 I mean, I don't know if I'm mistaken.

02:05:26.000 You're more of a creative type.

02:05:27.000 You've worked in media.

02:05:28.000 You've worked in music.

02:05:29.000 So where would you say you line up?

02:05:31.000 And is this from personal experience where everyone I knew who did the date rape stuff in high school who were creepy, they were all like guys in rock bands.

02:05:38.000 They weren't really the jocks.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, it's a myth.

02:05:41.000 And I grew up hating them.

02:05:42.000 I was sort of, well, punks weren't really nerds. 0.89

02:05:45.000 They were more freaks.

02:05:46.000 And I would hang out with the goth girls and, you know, all the outcasts, the Island of Misfit Toys people. 1.00

02:05:50.000 And we were brainwashed into thinking that, you know, pop music, rock music sucks.

02:05:56.000 I heard about, I listened to Bruce Springsteen for the first time about ten years ago.

02:06:00.000 And I go, this guy's good.

02:06:03.000 Oh, we can't have him back.

02:06:04.000 I hate that mumbling back.

02:06:06.000 Hang up.

02:06:07.000 Click.

02:06:08.000 Rolling Stones, I just discovered.

02:06:10.000 I discovered all this mainstream music very recently, and I was watching some movie, and they had a bunch of jocks.

02:06:15.000 I guess this is an American thing where they all go with boats to some sort of quarry, and they hop from boat to boat swimming.

02:06:21.000 When I was that age, we were going to anarchist conventions and discussing the future of the anarchist dialectic, whatever the hell, and I'm just like, what a waste.

02:06:29.000 Why was I thumbing my nose up at jocks when they were having so much fun?

02:06:34.000 So I'm definitely coming at this from a new angle, and I'm realizing that these guys had it right all along.

02:06:40.000 Yeah, I definitely.

02:06:41.000 I mean, regardless, even we use kind of the term jock so people can wrap their head around it. 0.97

02:06:45.000 But yeah, sort of the more traditionalist guys there who were in school and weren't these elitist bastards. 0.98

02:06:51.000 It's funny. 0.99

02:06:51.000 My wife was watching. 0.99

02:06:52.000 I've been introducing her.

02:06:53.000 I watched The O.C. when I was young.

02:06:55.000 This is foreshadowing.

02:06:56.000 We're working on something, so we're doing research.

02:06:57.000 She'd never seen it.

02:06:59.000 And we watch it, and they all live in Orange County, and they're making fun of the kid for having a Democrat bumper sticker. 1.00

02:07:04.000 They're like, gross, loser. 0.99

02:07:05.000 And you're like, this is in California. 0.99

02:07:07.000 There is no chance at that ever actually happening. 0.97

02:07:10.000 All the jackasses in that high school are Democrats, and they're the ones who are screaming and trigger warnings and safe spaces. 1.00

02:07:16.000 But it's always been the opposite in film or TV. The Christian, the conservative, the jock shows up. 0.98

02:07:22.000 They're either the serial killer or the bad guy. 0.98

02:07:25.000 Yeah, and I'm starting to like the bad guy.

02:07:27.000 I think he's a good guy. 1.00

02:07:28.000 He shoots apes that are going to kill people. 1.00

02:07:31.000 He beats up rapists. 1.00

02:07:32.000 He treats kids with some independence and lets them go out and get into trouble.

02:07:36.000 We've been scoffing at the Western Patriarch for so long, we forgot that he's the reason that we're here.

02:07:43.000 He's the reason everything is so great in this country.

02:07:45.000 It's time to stop being a nation of ingrates and respect the fact that the West is the best.

02:07:51.000 Well, speaking of a nation of ingrates, you were upset that Ted Cruz wasn't on the Supreme Court nominee list.

02:07:58.000 Yes, he would have been a great...

02:07:59.000 He may have been a more effective Supreme Court judge than president.

02:08:04.000 Yeah, no, I think you're right, and I appreciate that you're balanced, because a lot of people are either on the Never Trump campaign or they hate Ted Cruz, and Gavin has been consistent.

02:08:12.000 He's always been a fan of both, and he's been nice to people on both, and he's not a mean jock.

02:08:18.000 Gavin, give him your plugs.

02:08:19.000 I'm a Western chauvinist, okay?

02:08:21.000 I'm a proud Canadian.

02:08:22.000 I'm a proud American.

02:08:23.000 I'm a proud European.

02:08:24.000 I love it all.

02:08:25.000 My plugs, whatever.

02:08:26.000 Google me.

02:08:26.000 I'm around.

02:08:27.000 All right.

02:08:28.000 Gavin McGinnis with the underscore on Twitter.

02:08:30.000 Gavin underscore McGinnis.

02:08:32.000 He didn't hang up.

02:08:33.000 He thinks he hung up, but we can still hear him drinking coffee.

02:08:35.000 Louder with Crowder.

02:08:36.000 Oh, it would have been so perfect if he hung up.

02:08:38.000 That would have been so Gavin.

02:08:39.000 He missed an opportunity.

02:08:40.000 Stay tuned.

02:08:40.000 Soon we'll wrap this show up for you.

02:08:42.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

02:09:12.000 I'm out.

02:09:42.000 Hopper is not the hero America deserves, but the one it needs.

02:09:54.000 I'm out.

02:10:24.000 I'm out.

02:10:26.000 Oh, glad to be back with Gaspin Frere during that break.

02:10:47.000 I can't hold my nose underwater, do you know that?

02:10:49.000 It's tough.

02:10:49.000 You can't?

02:10:50.000 No, I need nose plugs.

02:10:51.000 Okay, this is serious.

02:10:52.000 This is serious.

02:10:52.000 I'm not kidding.

02:10:54.000 I don't know if you...

02:10:55.000 Someone just died recently.

02:10:56.000 I read about this.

02:10:58.000 Shallow water drowning.

02:11:00.000 Have you heard about this?

02:11:01.000 You know when you do that thing with your...

02:11:01.000 I've not heard about this.

02:11:02.000 Just so people know this.

02:11:03.000 I didn't know this, and I used to do this all the time as a kid.

02:11:05.000 Apparently, it's a very serious problem.

02:11:08.000 You know when you do your hold your breath competition underwater?

02:11:10.000 Yeah.

02:11:11.000 Here's the problem with it.

02:11:12.000 A lot of people, right before you hold your breath, you go, I'm going to gather my breath.

02:11:16.000 And they hyperventilate, and they go down, and they pass out, and they don't even realize it.

02:11:21.000 So they don't drown, they pass out, and they drown.

02:11:24.000 Then they drown.

02:11:25.000 The drowning does still occur.

02:11:26.000 I always faked drowning as a kid.

02:11:28.000 I always had the dead man's float.

02:11:29.000 I think every boy did that.

02:11:30.000 You're like, oh, I'm dead!

02:11:32.000 It's a real problem.

02:11:34.000 Dad, you're not coming to get me. 1.00

02:11:36.000 I spoke with a lifeguard, because we were talking about some UFC fighter who was doing this, like a breath-holding thing, to train his lung capacity, which is stupid. 0.96

02:11:43.000 And he said, that's really dangerous.

02:11:44.000 And he wrote a letter to the producer saying, hey, just so you know, what he's doing, actually, without any warning, that's actually one of the most common causes of drowning.

02:11:51.000 Really?

02:11:52.000 Yeah, it's really common.

02:11:54.000 I think it was called shallow water drowning, hyperventilation.

02:11:59.000 The thing is, it's not someone panicking.

02:12:01.000 You go under, you've hyperventilated, and your body just, you pass out.

02:12:05.000 And then you drown.

02:12:06.000 So there's no struggle.

02:12:08.000 And so most people don't see it.

02:12:09.000 So that's why it's such a common cause for drowning, is that people, they just see you down there.

02:12:14.000 You go down, you're holding your breath.

02:12:15.000 Usually you try and stay still.

02:12:16.000 They're dead!

02:12:17.000 Johnny, you guys again, look at him go.

02:12:19.000 Look at him.

02:12:19.000 Oh, that's a really long time, Johnny.

02:12:20.000 Man, he's getting better at this.

02:12:21.000 Oh my gosh.

02:12:22.000 Oh, Johnny's dead.

02:12:23.000 Oh my gosh.

02:12:24.000 Someone actually tweeted me this week about the near-death experience I talked about in the kayak on Lake Massawipi.

02:12:29.000 They were saying I grew up near there.

02:12:30.000 I saw my life flash before my eyes.

02:12:31.000 If you've never actually faced death, get in one of those kayaks that is watertight and you don't know how to tip back.

02:12:39.000 You will see Jesus.

02:12:40.000 I thought kayaking was kind of a fruity sport.

02:12:42.000 Yeah.

02:12:43.000 I don't know what it is. 0.98

02:12:44.000 Pretty homosexual. 0.98

02:12:45.000 Speaking of which, I wanted to talk about this. 0.95

02:12:47.000 Gavin was on it.

02:12:47.000 He made a good point.

02:12:48.000 You know, one thing that I really love about Gavin...

02:12:52.000 And I'm not just saying this.

02:12:54.000 He comes across as brash.

02:12:56.000 And you get this a lot.

02:12:57.000 A lot of sort of intellectuals in the conservative movement may look down at someone like him.

02:13:00.000 And he's very balanced.

02:13:01.000 He loves Trump, but unlike a lot of people who just...

02:13:04.000 He also really...

02:13:05.000 He talked about Ted Cruz.

02:13:06.000 He's been a long supporter of Ted Cruz.

02:13:07.000 I get where he's coming from.

02:13:08.000 We don't agree on everything.

02:13:10.000 He's also a really compassionate guy.

02:13:12.000 People who don't know Gavin, he's a very warm-hearted guy.

02:13:15.000 But a lot of people look down and think, well, he's brash.

02:13:17.000 He doesn't have a lot to offer.

02:13:18.000 He made a great point when he was talking about sort of this reversal of roles with young men.

02:13:24.000 And, you know, I wanted to talk about this because Courtney wrote about it, but I wanted to go into it a little bit more from a male perspective.

02:13:30.000 You know, liberals are...

02:13:32.000 Leftists are always trying to pervert healthy masculine relationships. 1.00

02:13:35.000 Captain America might be gay. 1.00

02:13:36.000 It might be secretly gay. 1.00

02:13:37.000 Everything has to be gay. 1.00

02:13:38.000 You know, they say...

02:13:39.000 I think it was Salon said, no one is actually straight.

02:13:42.000 That's a figment of your imagination.

02:13:44.000 They will say, of course, being gay isn't a choice. 0.90

02:13:45.000 I'm not saying gay is a choice.

02:13:47.000 But they will say, no one's really straight.

02:13:49.000 In other words, implying that it's a choice.

02:13:51.000 And these same people, if you go to the Feminist Film Festival, as I've gone, or you go into gender studies, these same feminists, they try and do an about-face and say, well, we're the ones who really actually care about men.

02:14:01.000 Men are afraid to express their feelings, and that's also a byproduct of patriarchy. 1.00

02:14:06.000 Men are afraid to be open, and so that leads to these kinds of depression and the suicide rate, which is almost entirely a middle-aged, particularly white male problem.

02:14:14.000 Suicide.

02:14:14.000 It's unbelievable.

02:14:15.000 Women don't have the same suicide. 1.00

02:14:16.000 It's not even close.

02:14:19.000 It's not because of patriarchy.

02:14:20.000 If you look back throughout history, men had very intimate relationships with other men, meaning very close, loving relationships, friendships, and there was never even an inkling of a sense that it might be gay.

02:14:31.000 It never even crossed their mind.

02:14:32.000 It was perfectly acceptable.

02:14:33.000 If you look throughout, if you look at, you read the Bible, you read other historical texts saying, I love you, being close, kissing.

02:14:39.000 Like the Sam and Frodo kind of relationships.

02:14:41.000 Yes.

02:14:42.000 It was perfectly acceptable.

02:14:43.000 Not Bert and Ernie.

02:14:44.000 No, not Bert.

02:14:44.000 Not Bert and Ernie.

02:14:45.000 Well, they were just experimenting.

02:14:46.000 Experimenting.

02:14:46.000 Being fair.

02:14:47.000 College.

02:14:49.000 And the point he had, you can't trust someone like that.

02:14:52.000 This is how men interacted.

02:14:55.000 Now, it's actually a pretty recent thing for it to be, oh, I'm a jock, and oh, I don't say hello, I don't hug.

02:14:59.000 That's a pretty recent thing.

02:15:00.000 And the reason men have complexes is not because of patriarchy. 0.78

02:15:03.000 When you tell people that heterosexuality doesn't really exist, when you tell them that everyone is secretly gay, when you say Captain America is really close with his friend Bucky, well, really, it's clear that he's gay...

02:15:16.000 Men who know they're not don't want to be lumped in with that.

02:15:19.000 So the reason they have a harder time expressing their emotions now in 2016 is because you've made old men think that if they express their emotions, they're secretly gay.

02:15:29.000 That doesn't come from men throughout history.

02:15:32.000 It's a pretty recent thing.

02:15:33.000 I'm talking about in the last 50 years.

02:15:37.000 It's cyclical.

02:15:38.000 But men are concerned.

02:15:40.000 Men are self-conscious now, as they never have been throughout history.

02:15:44.000 If you look at how men interacted with men... 0.98

02:15:46.000 Because of leftists telling them, well, really, you might be gay.

02:15:49.000 And a guy wants to be able to say, hey, you know what? 0.72

02:15:51.000 I love you, man.

02:15:51.000 You mean a lot to me.

02:15:54.000 You're a good friend.

02:15:54.000 They want to be able to say that without someone going, hmm, does that mean you love a wiener?

02:15:58.000 No, it doesn't.

02:16:00.000 But they may shower together.

02:16:02.000 Right.

02:16:02.000 To be fair.

02:16:03.000 I just wanted to point it out.

02:16:04.000 It's a perfect example of leftists perverting something while claiming they're doing it for the greater good.

02:16:10.000 We're doing it for people to be more open.

02:16:12.000 We're doing it for people to be more open with their emotions.

02:16:15.000 Okay, I'm going to be open with my emotions.

02:16:16.000 Hey, you know what, Dad?

02:16:17.000 I love you. 0.95

02:16:17.000 Does that mean you're gay? 0.95

02:16:20.000 No.

02:16:20.000 No, it doesn't.

02:16:22.000 Perverting something that's wholesome and perfectly fine in the name of progress.

02:16:26.000 That happens a lot.

02:16:27.000 Speaking of progress, we've got a lot of chatter.

02:16:29.000 I do appreciate Zach Ford coming on.

02:16:32.000 And if it seemed like I was getting a little, I'll admit, more aggressive than usual.

02:16:37.000 We've had people on.

02:16:38.000 We've had an imam who came on and threw out death threats, and we still allowed him to speak.

02:16:44.000 It's important.

02:16:45.000 This is something to think about, Zach Ford.

02:16:47.000 He didn't have any numbers regarding epidemics or doctors or statistics who disagreed with the current politically correct transgender treatment.

02:16:55.000 And this is what he does for a living.

02:16:57.000 Leftists are so used to simply throwing out language and deciding the playing field in which the argument takes place, they're not used to someone not accepting it.

02:17:05.000 Don't ever accept it at face value.

02:17:07.000 When someone says, women aren't getting health care. 1.00

02:17:09.000 Well, hold on a second.

02:17:09.000 You mean women aren't getting pap smears?

02:17:11.000 Women aren't getting antibiotics? 1.00

02:17:11.000 Well, they're not getting free abortion. 1.00

02:17:13.000 That's the horse crap you're talking about. 0.99

02:17:14.000 They're not getting free abortion. 1.00

02:17:16.000 Transgenders are being denied health care.

02:17:17.000 Well, hold on.

02:17:18.000 You mean some doctors don't want to do hormone replacement therapy. 0.85

02:17:21.000 AIDS is an epidemic.

02:17:22.000 Give me the number.

02:17:24.000 Whenever you have a debate, make sure you identify the language they're using and what it means.

02:17:29.000 And that's why that conversation had to take place in that staccato way.

02:17:33.000 You just can't let that much BS feed through because then you can't have an honest dialogue.

02:17:38.000 So we do want an honest civil dialogue.

02:17:39.000 But it has to start from an honest place.

02:17:42.000 So don't take the narrative at face value.

02:17:44.000 See you next week.

02:17:45.000 Lighter with Crowder.

02:17:45.000 Stay tuned.

02:17:46.000 You're still here? - Good.

02:18:03.000 It's over.

Louder with Crowder - June 03, 2016

#77 MEXICAN RACISM! Debate with Zack Ford, David Limbaugh and Gavin McInnes | Louder With Crowder

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