It's Cultural Appropriation Month, and we're celebrating it with a live stream on the first episode of Chaos in the Studio! Featuring Not Gay Jared Brewster, David Limbaugh, and Gavin McInnes.
00:01:47.000We often stream this for people listening to Terrestrial Leaks.
00:01:50.000Can you turn down the heat here a little bit on my headphones?
00:01:53.000For those listening to Wrestling on Radio, on YouTube, but we've been temporarily banned from the YouTube because of one specific we found out, angry liberal at Mashable, who didn't like one of our videos and said it was a violation of copyright, got it removed so we can't stream.
00:02:08.000So we're doing this on Facebook right now.
00:02:09.000If you are listening to this or you're anywhere else, I'm winded from those maracas.
00:02:47.000But he's willing to come on and we'll have a debate not only about the new trans laws, he thinks I'm a trans bigot, we'll talk about that, but he's also against disclosure laws, meaning if you have AIDS, he thinks that it's wrong, it's anti-gay for states to create the laws where you have to disclose to someone that you have HIV or AIDS. So, we'll get into that, but I respect him coming on here.
00:03:35.000We will fight this Mashable situation, the YouTube situation.
00:03:38.000For those who wanted an update, we have filed a counterclaim.
00:03:40.000If Mashable wants to say that our 20-minute video that included 10 seconds of their stupid socialist arguments is not fair use, they can meet us at court in Texas.
00:03:49.000And by the way, we might even take them to court regardless because we're not able to stream.
00:06:01.000Everything that we talked about that might be brought up in general, well, this is what's happening.
00:06:04.000And if you look at the feedback on the speech, don't just go to your conservative websites.
00:06:07.000Go to the general websites on the web that don't have a leaning one way, and the consensus is pretty clear that Hillary Clinton looked really presidential.
00:06:17.000She really did some damage to the Donald Trump brand, and she had people just laughing.
00:08:18.000Could just be the card that we have there that's not necessarily working.
00:08:21.000Courtney, if you're listening to this show live, please go and handle that on Twitter and fix links and let people know where they can find us.
00:08:31.000Thanks, leftists, for making this happen.
00:08:34.000One thing I did find out before I get into the news of this week and the guerrilla, I found this out speaking with my wife this week, just to give you an idea as to how different cultures can be.
00:08:43.000I was raised in Quebec, and I was telling my wife a story about all the porno in the video stores in Quebec.
00:08:49.000Just as a kid, they used to have these swinging Western doors, and I accidentally walked through and was just riddled with pornography, hardcore pornography.
00:08:57.000And my wife said, well, we don't have porno at any blockbusters in the U.S. or any of the legitimate video stores.
00:09:09.000At the age of six, I had seen it all, and it was accidental, because I walked through the western swinging doors, which led to the porno in Quebec.
00:09:17.000You can find breasts and just complete nudity on billboards in Quebec.
00:09:22.000Hyper-sexualized culture, and it was just one of those things, as a grown man, going on 29 years old, I had no concept of the fact that American children are not just raised being bombarded with pornography at Blockbuster.
00:10:01.000Basically, we talked about how it was a really dangerous precedent and he couldn't believe that a presidential candidate was going after the press.
00:11:38.000Whether you're Trump or you're not Trump, the last people who should be speaking about, I can't believe they're attacking the media, is Dan Rather or Katie Couric.
00:11:46.000My God, we're in Bizarro World, Ladder with Crowder.
00:13:37.000My wonderful writer Courtney is texting me.
00:13:39.000If people want to know what it takes to get to the boiling point, I am at a very slow burn right now.
00:13:45.000Do not mistake my facade of being jovial for anything other than me possibly reaching out and strangling Not Gay Jared through no fault of his own and shooting through the walls.
00:13:58.000If I didn't have hollow points in all the firearms within arm's reach, they won't go through walls.
00:14:03.000I would load them up with full metal jackets.
00:14:13.000We're reinforcing louderwithcrowder.com for people watching, listening, so that all of this stuff will never be lost and we will get the democratic socialism video back up.
00:14:20.000It was well on its way to a million plays.
00:14:30.000Then I want to talk about the gorilla situation.
00:14:32.000I saw today a man, and my wife can corroborate this, who, I don't mean kind of, I walked out of Subway, and this man should have been in a tree making cookies.
00:15:15.000When I see someone like that, like when you see someone or you go, that person looks like, I don't know, a rhinoceros, or you see someone who looks exactly like an animal, but they're not helping themselves, I don't know why this person doesn't have any friends who go, listen, okay, you look like an elf.
00:15:26.000Here's a checklist of things not to do.
00:16:00.000And here's what, for those of you who don't know, obviously people know, a child climbed into the gorilla exhibit, gorilla grabbed him, wasn't particularly aggressive, but it's still a gorilla, for crying out loud.
00:17:15.000I love you, but I need to get my head straight.
00:17:18.000And we're going to have a pre-tape here.
00:17:19.000We're going to have a pre-tape commercial here coming up next, which is great, because then I'll give me a couple seconds to get ready, change outfits, and be professional for David Limbaugh.
00:17:27.000We'll have a reasonable discussion regarding Donald Trump.
00:17:30.000It's hard to have a reasonable discussion regarding this gorilla.
00:17:32.000This was all over the place, and I think it's because it was a slow news week.
00:17:35.000This and the Katie Couric gun situation were kind of the biggest stories.
00:17:39.000But we have reached a point, and Joe Rogan talks about this, playing for team people.
00:17:43.000Where people are so much more outraged over a gorilla being shot.
00:17:47.000By the way, I was never told the kid was black.
00:18:33.000To shoulder the blame to someone else.
00:18:34.000And even when it's a gorilla, listen, the gorilla was shot.
00:18:37.000People were telling me, why don't you, and we're going to get into politics, so I just want to get this cultural stuff off my chest because this is the stuff that keeps me up at night.
00:18:57.000That gorilla still has some time on his hands, and they're usually pretty pissed off because you've just put an 8-gauge needle in their chest, and they've got your child in one hand, and nothing but time in the other, and they're pissed off and don't know what to do with it.
00:19:49.000I always try and say, okay, okay, let's give you as much ground as possible and me as little as possible to see if we can get to a point here.
00:20:00.000That's what happened with the gorilla.
00:20:02.000I'm saying, alright, I believe that they probably know more than me, so they did what they had to do.
00:20:07.000It's kind of like when people say, well, why didn't you just shoot the intruder in the leg?
00:24:04.000I definitely think you're one of the few people out there who has remained consistent, and we've tried to do that with this show, where you're clearly not a fan, you've been critical, but you haven't just tossed your lot in with a hashtag or, I guess, sort of a knee-jerk movement.
00:25:35.000The establishment deserves a lot of what it's got.
00:25:38.000In fact, I wrote a column in the establishment, Birth Trump.
00:25:41.000He wouldn't be possible if it weren't for this.
00:25:44.000I think it's important to define establishment because I have heard some people out there in media just set it up as though at all points, it's Trump versus establishment.
00:25:53.000I go, hold on, there are a lot of people who don't vote for Trump who are in establishment.
00:25:56.000Yes, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Eric Cantor.
00:26:04.000And that's been one of the most frustrating things to me.
00:26:07.000We have all this angst against the establishment, the power brokers in the Republican Party and the donors and the lobbyists, who have not sufficiently resisted Obama.
00:26:20.000To whatever extent they're corrupt, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but whatever extent money is involved in that, they are objectionable.
00:26:32.000They've caused the terrible economy and all that.
00:26:35.000They've caused the acceleration of statism.
00:26:38.000And so it's the left that's done it, but people are furious at the right for not blowing it back and for Bush contributing to the spending and all that stuff.
00:26:47.000And so it is great that Trump finally brought those issues to the front.
00:26:57.000There was a perfect storm for some constitutional conservative to come along and finally articulate conservative principles unapologetically, and I believe when you do that, those principles can be contagious, and you can take that to victory without deluding your message and without pandering to the center and becoming Right.
00:27:18.000And I think with Donald Trump, all the things that you just said and the things that I do like about him, he could just as easily maintain all those.
00:28:44.000First, the establishment, getting to your point in a circuitous way, I hate the fact that the Trump people lump everyone who is against Trump into the establishment when we are more anti-establishment.
00:28:58.000The Cruz kind of supporters, we're more anti-establishment than he is.
00:29:01.000So if they could just be intellectually honest, it'd go a long way toward We're softening our opposition to it.
00:29:07.000Because one of the problems I have with Trump is some of his rabid supporters.
00:29:11.000And I know this is going to offend people.
00:29:12.000They think they can just insult you all over the place, and it's okay, and you're supposed to say, we don't need you.
00:29:19.000Okay, well, no, I'm not going to do that.
00:29:22.000But by no means are all of Trump's supporters that way.
00:29:25.000And in fact, I think a lot of that is what we see on Twitter, the most offensive and obnoxious people.
00:29:30.000But where, now to answer the question in real time, instead of the one you asked me a few times before.
00:29:36.000I don't think that, I mean, say I'm ambivalent.
00:29:43.000I just abhor the thought of voting for Trump for so many reasons, but I'm not one of these people who can say to myself and convince myself, deceive myself into believing that not voting doesn't help Hillary.
00:30:14.000I don't want to condemn the never-Trump people, but I want them to get off their high horse as to those of us, even including Marco Rubio, who say, I'm not prepared to be never-Trump because...
00:30:27.000The way I quantify this, or the way I evaluate it is, the calculus is, Trump could be so terrible for, as the The person who represents Republican, conservatism, constitutionalism, he's doing it from our side.
00:30:43.000You know the Hamilton thing, where Hamilton said, we don't want to get somebody in there who's on our side and we can't even effectively oppose, and who carries the banner for Republicanism and totally sorts it.
00:31:36.000And then I said, I'm probably not going to vote for him.
00:31:41.000But, and I've said this, I said, as a Christian conservative, like I said, a yardstick, I have to allow for people to be redeemed or to change.
00:31:49.000And so for me, when I set out, I said, for example, a Supreme Court list, I said, this actually looks relatively good.
00:31:55.000If he sticks here, and from here on out, and he sticks to what he promises, and we see this transformation, that can tilt me.
00:32:02.000But I had to set these guidelines and say, okay, these need to be met, because I need to allow room for someone to adapt, or someone to improve, and And of course, then you've got the Never Trump crowd who's mad.
00:32:12.000Do you think that's reasonable to say, let's put this compass here and see where it goes?
00:35:22.000This is how I feel totally passionate about this.
00:35:25.000My kids are all young, despite my elderly age.
00:35:29.000And I have wanted to impart to them conservative politics and the Christian worldview and limited government and the rest.
00:35:38.000And I've tried to do that and hope they've got some of it by osmosis and some of it by ignoring my behavior, which is inconsistent with what I preach.
00:35:47.000And I was watching the Hillsdale, one of the Hillsdale online lectures, thinking, you know, I've always heard about these things, and these guys teach what is virtuous, what is right.
00:36:11.000And then I want to get into not just the Republican sort of civil war, but the winning issues, the silver lining I think we have here going into a general, regardless of who the king is.
00:36:37.000You know, you can actually take this with you on the go, the audio version only, on SoundCloud or iTunes, or just go to louderwithcrowder.com, subscribe to the feed.
00:36:43.000We've got articles, the mailing list, in case YouTube censors us out of the loop, you know.
00:37:25.000You were talking about Hillsdale and what inspired you.
00:37:28.000So I'm watching this course on Western civilization, and Larry Arndt, the president of the university, gives the introductory lecture.
00:37:35.000And in that introductory lecture, because it was the first online course they put out, he explains what Hillsdale tries to do.
00:37:40.000And he articulates the conservative worldview and how important the Constitution is, how important Western civilization is in our culture, and how we should aspire to what is good and virtuous.
00:37:53.000How we should study the things that make us good.
00:37:56.000How we should study Plato, Aristotle, Jerusalem, Athens, and our entire Western civilization and our background.
00:38:04.000And to aspire to what is good and great and virtuous in our lives.
00:38:27.000I realize we're not going to get that with Trump, but can we reach a compromise with Trump's people?
00:38:34.000Can we at least say, okay, you guys...
00:38:36.000We're going to support you, but can you give us something back?
00:38:39.000Can you allow for us nerds who still believe that going back, reverting to constitutional principles is the only way we can assure and preserve liberty?
00:38:49.000I think you're in a minority here because...
00:38:51.000So you're extending an olive branch, and I hate to say it, but without naming names, you do have some elitists at conservative publications talking about third-party runs now who, listen, they continue to look down their nose and say, we're not getting involved.
00:39:04.000We're not even going to listen to the Trump people, and there aren't many people like you saying, all right, is there some kind of concession for people like me if we're willing to make it for people like you?
00:39:12.000I think people like you and I are an incredible minority.
00:39:15.000You have conservative professional writers, pundits, elitists on whether it's cable news or working in a magazine, and then you have the Trump people who are upset, populism, and then there are very few people like you saying, is there room for all of it?
00:39:28.000And I think that if you look at it, it's the civil war on the Republican side, and that's why we lose.
00:39:33.000It's why, unfortunately, if you look at it, there's an argument that we deserve to lose, and you don't see it with the Democrats, but I do think there's a silver lining here because you talk about that.
00:39:41.000The silver lining, there are some real winning issues culturally.
00:39:46.000There has been a noticeable shift on free speech, on Islamic terrorism, on fundamental Second Amendment rights, and on this sort of breaking down of gender norms.
00:39:58.000Stuff that I, because I'm younger, I've always been on YouTube out in these outlets, that I could have never said three, four years ago, there's been a rejection, and people are sort of, even if it's a roundabout way, coming back to some traditional values, going, you know what, maybe men and women are different.
00:40:11.000You know what, maybe I should have the right to own a gun.
00:40:12.000You know what, maybe the First Amendment is important.
00:40:16.000But isn't it ironic that those very things are coming to the fore and we have a chance to prevail on these issues, and Trump doesn't even really agree with us.
00:40:25.000He gave a point about the expanding libel laws.
00:40:29.000We've already got an ability to sue for libel.
00:40:33.000Even public figures do with actual malice.
00:40:36.000We already, on the free speech thing and the gender issue, I mean, I just worry that Trump doesn't really agree with us, but the situation is right for it.
00:40:47.000But on your idea about National Review and the rumor that David French is writing.
00:41:03.000And I'm not even against what they're doing.
00:41:06.000They think what they're doing is right, and I applaud that.
00:41:09.000But I think that you and I might come to a different conclusion about the realism of doing that and about how the country will be hurt if we don't ultimately oppose Hillary affirmatively with a vote for Trump.
00:41:24.000We may be enabling the further destruction, the ultimate destruction of the United States in the next four years.
00:41:36.000If I vote for Trump, it will be the most grudging thing I think I've ever done in my political life.
00:41:42.000So I share all those views of these guys.
00:41:44.000Just ultimately, what's worse for the country, given that we have the same goals or the same fears?
00:41:49.000Well, culturally, I wanted to get back because you're talking about your kids.
00:41:51.000I think that there's a real window there.
00:41:54.000And respectfully, I tried to express this when we had Senator Cruz on and Carly Feary.
00:41:59.000We had Governor Mike Huckabee on saying, listen, if I'm your campaign advisor, these are the winning issues right now.
00:42:05.000You don't have to abandon anything else.
00:42:06.000But these are winning issues, and none of them really focused on it.
00:42:09.000And I'm not talking about just my show, but we talked about this, you know.
00:42:13.000They should have been running, Republicans, you need to understand this, they should have been running their campaigns like contenders, not like champions.
00:42:18.000They should have been going on alternative media.
00:42:20.000They should have been doing the podcast circuit that does way, way more numbers than traditional news or radio now, and Republicans abandon it.
00:42:28.000So I don't blame people my age and younger.
00:42:31.000By the way, these same people you're talking about have looked down their noses at me for a long time.
00:42:35.000I don't blame these kids for being mad, because they feel ignored and Every other candidate kind of did ignore them.
00:42:41.000It was a major screw-up, and that does bother me.
00:42:44.000Okay, well, can you articulate what you're talking about?
00:42:46.000What are our cultural inroads here, politically?
00:43:12.000Where, you know, we have someone on this program here today who believes that unless you agree with them 100%, and every single doctor treats every single transgender exactly how they want to be treated, that it's transphobic.
00:43:23.000There's been a rejection of that, and with that, people have even gone back More on same-sex marriage and more on traditional gender roles.
00:43:32.000And then guns and Islamic terrorism, just because of the statistical reality.
00:43:35.000People are acknowledging that, and they agree on those fronts.
00:43:39.000But Republicans don't really communicate in a way that is effective with them.
00:43:43.000Well, now, Cruz tried to communicate that, but you're saying that they didn't connect with him in some way, because they didn't go to where they are?
00:43:53.000They didn't go to where they are, yeah, and even...
00:43:56.000Oh, crap, we have to go to a break, Jared.
00:44:04.000But yeah, even when we had them on this show, sometimes I'm going, go for it.
00:44:07.000There's just, I think, like we talked about, it's insular.
00:44:10.000And like you said, there's establishment politics, but there are establishment people who run or work in campaigns with some of these people who we may even support.
00:44:18.000People like you have to be influential in that.
00:44:21.000There has to be some way to bridge this gap.
00:44:23.000If you see that among the youth, you need to communicate that.
00:44:27.000You guys that are your age, you need to help with that.
00:44:30.000Well, we try to, but a lot of the other people aren't listening to me.
00:44:33.000So hopefully there's that shake-up happening, and they're listening to you.
00:47:38.000For people listening terrestrially or people who will see these on YouTube afterward, please subscribe on iTunes or SoundCloud.
00:47:44.000Everything we do is free, but we can easily get banned, whether it's YouTube one week or Facebook another week or Twitter another week.
00:47:52.000We always follow the guidelines, but being out there doing this show without a net, there's always a strong chance that somebody gets triggered, banned, and I want to talk about this.
00:47:59.000I have this up on my screen here, not gay, Jared.
00:48:02.000To give you an example of censorship, do you have it there hooked up to your situation?
00:48:07.000YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter agree to ban hate speech in Europe.
00:48:13.000Some of the biggest U.S. tech firms have signed to a code of conduct formulated by the European Commission in which they agree to help fight against the spread of hate speech in Europe.
00:48:23.000Online rights groups have reacted with outrage, saying they have no confidence in agreement because they were left with a discussion.
00:48:45.000Because Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are now signing on to a code of conduct from the European Commission.
00:48:52.000These same people have written a code of conduct that has led to people being arrested for...
00:48:58.000Shirts, t-shirts that were seen as anti-Islamic, for people berating people on Twitter, have been arrested or seen jail time, for pastors speaking out against gay marriage, and even one man, we wrote about this a while back, who was charged with hate speech for playing kung fu fighting in his band.
00:49:22.000This happened in the UK. No, this is true.
00:49:24.000It's playing in the UK. And I remember hearing that story going like, well, gosh, why?
00:51:54.000What it is is it's taking something that was okay to be a guy's movie, that people grew up with, it's a piece of their childhood, and you're not even delivering an homage.
00:52:54.000Because, and this is a woman's show, the favorite characters were guys because it was a show that was supposed to be mildly funny, entertaining.
00:53:21.000I don't think people are going to like it.
00:53:23.000I don't think it's going to do very well.
00:53:24.000But, if someone says, I really don't like it because I liked the original cast who happened to be Men with Ghostbusters, again, the problem is, people aren't allowing for any variance in an opinion at this point.
00:53:36.000And that's why I'm not Never Trump, and that's why I'm not Trump 2016.
00:53:40.000And we try and take things on an issue-by-issue basis.
00:53:45.000But leftists, Hillary Clinton, what's his name, Patton Oswalt, who I love, I just hate that he did this, start attacking anyone who preemptively is disappointed with Ghostbusters as sexist.
00:53:56.000You need to allow some wiggle room here for people to have a different opinion and just maybe they're not racist.
00:54:32.000A husband should be allowed to lightly beat his wife if she defies his commands and refuses to dress up as per his desires.
00:54:37.000Well, I mean, turns down demand of intercourse.
00:54:40.000Well, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do without any religious excuse or does not take a bath after intercourse or menstrual periods.
00:55:46.000We've talked about it on this program, and this is one area that separates the men from the boys.
00:55:49.000All these people who are anti-authoritarian, you'll have to go out and champion free speech, but once it comes to Islam, they don't utter a word.
00:55:57.000They're terrified because other people don't blow stuff up.
00:56:02.000Inevitably, there are great Muslims in the United States, of course.
00:56:30.000At some point in history, all those things were either tossed to a vote, or today, if you tossed to a Democratic vote, would pass, depending on where you are.
00:57:39.000Just because you toss that in front of socialism, which is horrible, which is a violent worldview by nature, you're ultimately taking things from people at gunpoint, does not change the fact that it's a horrible, violent ideology because you voted on it.
00:57:54.000Sorry, but maybe this vote will happen.
01:01:27.000after seeing a look of fear on her young daughter's faces.
01:01:32.000I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school-aged daughters into a women's restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults over six feet tall with deep voices entered.
01:01:41.000She wrote, My children were visibly frightened.
01:01:55.000You're never really prepared to answer.
01:01:57.000In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.
01:02:03.000The hierarchy of rights the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is based on who is funding the organization's lobbying activities.
01:02:10.000She did not elaborate on the group's funding.
01:02:14.000So, this is a certainly very progressive organization, a woman who no doubt is, generally speaking, very progressive, who has decided to take a stand with the ACLU. Because of biology.
01:02:27.000We'll talk about that with Zach Ford coming up after the break.
01:03:37.000And I hope that people now, a lot of these people who consider themselves anti-leftists, a lot of these sort of intellectuals who are revolting against the anti-free speech left, just remember when I was out there and you were calling people like me racist and homophobic only a few years ago, and now it's being used against you.
01:04:17.000I think that if facing that, you have decided to make it your career pivot, your punditry pivot, or your social media pivot to destroy someone else who's a conservative but doesn't agree with you 100% on one issue, whether it's Trump, whether it's never Trump,
01:04:36.000Whether it's David French, if you've decided that it is your bigger priority to attack somebody else who is still pro-free speech, who is still pro-freedom, who is still pro-America, if you've made it your duty to attack that conservative in place of the left who are trying to drop an atomic bomb on all of you, I don't think you're conservative, and I don't think I have a lot of room for you in our movement.
01:05:02.000If you've got right now Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and you are using those avenues as opposed to fighting the left to try and destroy someone else who is clearly fighting for the conservative cause, whether you agree with them or not.
01:05:14.000And I acknowledge there are some people who are really big on the Trump side who are doing great stuff, people on the other side who aren't.
01:05:20.000I acknowledge there are people over at Reason, libertarians, who are doing great stuff.
01:05:24.000And there are people who are traditional Christian conservatives who are doing great stuff.
01:05:26.000If you watch this channel, if you watch this show, if you go back all the way to 2006, my YouTube channel, I have never made it my goal to destroy other, not even conservatives, anyone who I think will fight the common enemy of aggressive leftism.
01:07:13.000Okay, so for people listening terrestrially, for people watching online, we are going to stop this live stream really quick because Facebook only allows for 90 minutes.
01:07:21.000And start it right back up on the Facebook page.
01:07:24.000Facebook.com slash Stephen Crowder official.
01:07:27.000And we'll start again, and then it'll be there for the rest of the show with the debate with Zack Ford, Gavin McInnes, and my wife afterward to talk about a very harrowing tale from this week.
01:07:37.000So we just want to let people know about that, and we'll talk about Hiroshima.
01:07:39.000Courtney wrote a great piece on this on the website about Hiroshima because Barack Obama did his tour, and while he didn't officially apologize, he insinuated that it was an act of evil, that it was an act that should not be repeated.
01:07:50.000I think that if World War II was a real-life scenario today, let's say we were in that situation, and Absolutely.
01:08:02.000And I think anyone who would maintain the position that we should have gone in and have a ground war or rolled over and died is simply uneducated of the matter.
01:10:26.000But, you know, we actually have people who are gay, transgender, who agree with me more on politics, who aren't willing to come on the show.
01:10:34.000So we always respect anyone who's willing to come in here and bang, so to speak, stand in the pocket.
01:10:38.000Zach, you have been upset on the Twitter with me before for, I mean, transphobic, being anti-trans, anti-gay.
01:10:46.000Tell me what it is that you see as a problem in what I say or the floor is yours if you want to tell conservatives how to get this right.
01:10:55.000Well, you know, there's a lot of misinformation out there, and we can kind of get into some of those specifics.
01:11:35.000Well, it can mean a variety of things.
01:11:36.000It can mean that they don't have insurance because they don't have a job, and so they just can't afford health care, so they don't even get to the doctor.
01:11:42.000It could be that they don't have a doctor in their community that respects who they are, so they don't feel comfortable going to that doctor without feeling...
01:11:51.000I want to make sure we get the language right here, because especially, you know, you've accused me of being ignorant on Twitter, and that's okay, and I respect that you can say that, but that's not accurate to say being denied healthcare.
01:12:01.000If they don't have insurance because they don't have a job, or if they don't feel comfortable going to a doctor, they're not being denied healthcare.
01:12:08.000So when you say denied healthcare, that means a doctor proactively denying someone healthcare, all healthcare, solely because they're trans.
01:12:19.000I mean, if you look at the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey, which is the largest look at what trans people actually experience, there are certainly people who reported experiences like that where they came out to their doctor as trans and either received no treatment or didn't receive the treatment that they needed.
01:12:35.000So in regards to trans, but what if a doctor says, hey, I'll treat you and everything else, but I'm not going to do the hormone replacement therapy.
01:12:41.000This is an issue I'm not going to touch because the science isn't in, and I don't think it's good for you.
01:12:45.000Is that considered denying health care?
01:12:47.000I think it is, because a lot of the care that they need for their transition is medically necessary.
01:12:53.000If they can't achieve mental health wellness because they can't access that aspect of transition...
01:12:59.000There's no evidence to suggest that it is.
01:13:07.000Let me bring this up because this is important.
01:13:08.000Now, we can get into gray matter and we can talk about how the brain works, but I've got this pretty empirical analysis here.
01:13:16.000It is not surprising that the influence of sex hormones in the brain were not limited to hypothalamus, but they're all expressed.
01:13:20.000Prior to cross-sex hormone treatment, a lot of the studies that I've heard you trot out and people trot out were involved with people After they had gone through the cross-sex hormone treatment.
01:13:28.000When you eliminate that variable, you see that a male to female transgender, the brain size, is exactly in line with other males.
01:13:35.000And it only changes once you go through cross-sexual hormone replacement therapy.
01:13:41.000Now, there's a big controversy right now in the medical community just regarding testosterone replacement therapy or growth hormone for injuries.
01:13:50.000Going into estrogen, putting it directly into a male, which every study we have would show bad results, cancerous results, is it not within the bounds of reason for a doctor or an establishment, like Johns Hopkins, who, maybe they're not ignorant, maybe some of them are progressive liberals, and they just say, these are not great results, we've studied it, we don't want to do this right now, we need to wait until the science is in.
01:14:14.000I mean, I'm not familiar with the studies that you've talked about.
01:14:18.000I'm familiar with studies that show that there are no consequences for trans people that use cross-hormone therapy, and I'm familiar with many studies that show that there are great benefits to their health and well-being.
01:14:29.000Transsexuals had brain volumes in agreement with their sex at birth.
01:14:31.000The intracranial volume and the hypothalamus volume of males were larger than females, irresponsive of condition of transsexualism.
01:14:36.000This supports the notion that the brain volume changes in transsexuals are related to cross-sex hormone treatment and do not reflect preexistent differences in brain volume between transsexuals and comparisons.
01:14:48.000Isn't it possible for a doctor to take this?
01:14:50.000This comes from medical journals to say, well, we know the changes occur after the sex hormone replacement therapy, and we know that that can be bad, so let's hold off.
01:15:02.000Because I want to make sure we frame in the language, because there are a lot of doctors out there who would probably agree with you, except for when it comes to the medicine.
01:15:09.000That's not the mainstream understanding whatsoever.
01:15:12.000You have one study that has one particular fact.
01:15:17.000No, it's not what the American Medical Association says.
01:15:20.000It's not what the American Psychiatric Association says.
01:15:22.000You have one doctor, Paul McHugh at Johns Hopkins, who has many anti-LGBT biases.
01:15:51.000I'm on board with medical organizations actually using...
01:15:57.000Sorry, I think we had a little connection.
01:15:59.000Yeah, your connection's a little tough, but go ahead.
01:16:02.000I'm only familiar with one doctor who advocates against cross-hormone therapy and transitioning for trans people, and that's Paul McHugh at Johns Hopkins.
01:16:12.000And that's where Johns Hopkins gets that reputation.
01:16:14.000So I'm not familiar with the study that you cited.
01:16:16.000I'm not sure I understand what it is you're concluding from that study, except something about how brains change.
01:16:22.000But what I know is that there's a multitude of evidence that shows that...
01:16:31.000There's more than one doctor on planet Earth who thinks that injecting estrogen into a man or abnormal levels of testosterone into a woman could be bad.
01:16:40.000The only point I'm making here is that doesn't mean that this sector of the medical industry or America or the world means they're bigoted...
01:16:50.000I'm saying, is it within the bounds of reason that a doctor may not want to treat that because the science isn't in and it doesn't necessarily make them a transphobic bigot?
01:17:05.000One is, I'm highly suspicious of any doctor that draws their own conclusions based on things that they can find in certain studies when the rest of the industry has found a different approach that isn't necessary.
01:17:19.000If everyone agrees in the psychiatric community, or at least an overwhelming majority, and everyone agrees in the medical community that the best way to help trans people achieve wellness is to support them in their transitions, then It doesn't matter to me if there's a couple of doctors who disagree.
01:18:01.000We learn more and we do what makes the most sense based on the evidence that comes in.
01:18:04.000The reason it's moved is because we've got more evidence that supporting trans people in their transition is what supports their well-being.
01:18:26.000And you use this and you call people bigots and you call them ignorant.
01:18:29.000If a doctor who is treating someone and still will treat that person as any other patient but says, I'm not going to do hormone replacement therapy or go down that path, but I will treat you as a patient...
01:18:42.000Are you filing that under denying healthcare?
01:18:47.000If the standards of healthcare say that supporting trans people in their transition is the best way to support them and they are rejecting those standards, we do have them and those are the standards that they reject, then yeah, I would say that there's a problem that that's denial of treatment.
01:19:01.000I just want to make clear for the audience listening, because when Zach Ford says transgender people are being denied treatment in record numbers, what he is saying is if every single doctor does not give them any kind of transition treatment they want, that should be considered denial of health care.
01:19:14.000In the same token, I can't get a lot of treatments that I want that are electable from my doctor.
01:19:19.000So I just want to make sure people understand that.
01:19:22.000Well, you just threw the word elective out.
01:19:24.000The problem is that it's not elective.
01:19:26.000The problem is that we know from the research that supporting trans people in their transition is what supports their mental health wellness.
01:19:32.000And so if they're not, you know, if they're experiencing gender dysphoria, if they're experiencing any sort of depression or suicidal thinking as a result of not being able to correct that dysphoria, then rejecting them the treatment that helps them overcome that is problematic.
01:19:47.000Oh gosh, we use that word problematic.
01:19:48.000Well, the suicide rates don't get much better.
01:19:51.000They do, because you're using the Swedish study that doesn't actually say what everybody says it was.
01:19:56.000Boniface used it on your show last week, and if you look at the Swedish study, it did find that there were high rates of suicide among people who had had surgery, but it didn't compare them against other transgender people.
01:20:08.000The researcher of that study has publicly said that to use her research to suggest that suicide rates go up after surgery...
01:20:14.000No, no, I didn't say suicide rates went up.
01:21:00.000Do you believe that they're treated multiple times worse because their suicide rates are worse than black American slaves?
01:21:07.000It doesn't matter how any of those other groups are treated.
01:21:10.000What matters is that we have a problem.
01:21:11.000It does matter because you said it's a result of discrimination.
01:21:14.000But now when we eliminate, okay, here are other groups who are clearly much more violently discriminated against than transgenders.
01:21:21.000Nowhere near, anywhere else on the map, that kind of a suicide rate, whether it's pre or post-surgery, the only other place you find that would be people with severe psychiatric conditions.
01:21:32.000But the research that we have shows that the people with the highest tendency to attempt suicide are those who have experienced the highest rates of discrimination and the highest rates of family rejection.
01:21:45.000I'm not trying to compare them to any other group.
01:21:47.000I'm simply saying that the research we have shows that it's not surgery that impacts their suicide rate one way or the other.
01:21:55.000It's the experience that they have in society where they can't get jobs, they can't find housing, and of course there's going to be consequences to come with that.
01:22:15.000I don't think that's true either, because I think that the research shows that having surgery and going through transition actually helps improve their wellness.
01:22:31.000Even after surgery, the suicide rate is still astronomically higher than these other groups who have faced discrimination that I just named.
01:23:23.000Trump right now talking about building a wall to keep the Mexicans out of our country, and he tells you when he's feeding it down your ass that it's a national security issue.
01:23:37.000But the bod is here to set you straight and let you know that that's all a distraction from the issues at hand, that the powers that be don't want When
01:24:10.000When it's time to party, we will party hard.
01:24:55.000So I just want to make sure there's no way for a doctor.
01:24:59.000In any case, anyone in the medical community, doctor, who sees the issue as anything other than full transition, surgery, hormone replacement therapy, science is in, without being denying care or transphobic, correct?
01:25:13.000Well, I would qualify that only to say that different patients have different needs, but yes, there are standards of care for trans people, and if the doctor doesn't follow them, then they're denying them the care that they deserve.
01:25:22.000This is important, just for people listening, and we'll get this up, it's important for people to note, I'm saying, hey...
01:25:27.000If someone disagrees with, I'm allowing for science to maybe change.
01:25:43.000One thing I do find, so you are, and we wanted to have Chad Felix Green on, and we wanted to respect your wishes because you and him have gone back and forth on Twitter, and I know you didn't want to.
01:25:51.000Something that I feel like everyone should agree on.
01:25:53.000So no one has given me a convincing argument here, and I'm willing to hear it.
01:25:57.000Maybe you can, because I know you've made this a big part of your platform.
01:26:00.000You're against exposure laws, disclosure laws.
01:26:03.000For those who are listening, if someone has HIV, basic laws that say if you have HIV, AIDS, you need to disclose it to a partner before you have sex, otherwise you should be liable.
01:26:13.000Let me hear a convincing argument as to why.
01:26:16.000Well, let me ask the question, at least rhetorically, of why having the law is good.
01:26:20.000The laws that we have on the books, criminalizing the transmission of HIV without disclosure, date back to very early in the epidemic when we didn't know as much about it.
01:26:29.000And what we now know is that those laws actually hurt our efforts to stop the epidemic.
01:26:34.000So the question is, do you want to actually minimize how much HIV is spread, or do you want this sort of petty feeling of justice against people who already have HIV and have to struggle with that?
01:26:47.000Interesting you should bring up epidemic or petty struggle.
01:28:05.000What helps is if people get tested and if they test positive, if they get on treatment so that they can reduce their viral load to undetectable levels, that makes it nearly impossible for them to transmit the virus.
01:28:39.000If someone's not disclosing it, you can't possibly know what kind of treatment or where their viral load is or where you're getting the HIV. But the problem, Stephen, is that the disclosure laws actually scare people out of getting tested.
01:28:49.000And so there are a lot of people who don't know their status.
01:28:51.000And one of the reasons is because they're afraid if they know their status and they're positive, then they are opening themselves up to liability.
01:28:59.000So the disclosure laws are actually discouraging people from finding out their status and discouraging people from getting tested and then discouraging people from getting treatment.
01:29:06.000What about the right of the person who's having sex with another man who doesn't want to get HIV or AIDS? I'm still not hearing why it's not that person's right to know for it to be disclosed.
01:29:56.000As long as that is not entirely 100% impossible, If there's a chance of you giving a potentially life-threatening virus, disease to somebody, you should disclose it.
01:30:16.000My point is, right, one of the single most funded diseases out there, if you're going to say epidemic, what are the numbers and what are the death rates?
01:30:21.000If you're saying it's really not that common, it's entirely preventable, and it's not deadly, why are we going around screaming that it's an epidemic?
01:30:29.000I'm saying that it's still very commonly spread.
01:30:48.000So the size of the problem has not gone down.
01:30:51.000And yes, we've improved treatment that's helping people do better, but it's not necessarily...
01:30:56.000Changing the fact that we need to get them on treatment so that they don't have the problems that people used to have when we didn't have those treatments.
01:31:02.000So why do you apply personal responsibility to the person who may be infected with HIV to ask, but you don't apply the personal responsibility to simply go get their checkups and get treated?
01:31:10.000Why is one responsible for someone else disclosing and that one person isn't responsible for his own sexual misconduct?
01:31:17.000I think we're all responsible for ourselves and the decisions that we make with our bodies.
01:31:22.000Where I have the problem is where we pass a law that criminalizes people in a way that doesn't actually help.
01:31:26.000No, it doesn't criminalize people because you've written that.
01:34:14.000Here's some of the CDC stats regarding AIDS. We're good to go.
01:34:42.000So, that's the reality and the number of AIDS or AIDS infections that occur in the United States on a yearly basis is in the tens of thousands out of 350 million.
01:36:02.000That in the 90s, I don't know if it's still the case, but in the 90s, the CDC did not list unprotected heterosexual sex with a prostitute as a risk factor for AIDS. As Sam Kinison said, you kind of have to set an appointment up for this one, folks.
01:36:19.000So it seems to me disclosure laws would be well within the realm of reasons.
01:36:23.000But you tweet me, Ed S. Crowder, what you think.
01:36:39.000I'm not comfortable giving you cross-sexual hormone replacement therapy at this point.
01:36:44.000I'll do everything else, but I don't want to do that.
01:36:46.000I don't think that should be filed under hateful transphobe doctor who won't provide health care.
01:36:50.000I get a little irked when people say, or they say, criminalizing HIV. No one is criminalizing HIV. People believe you should have to tell your partner if you have HIV. I understand if you think that's an unreasonable position, that if you're having sex with someone and you have AIDS or HIV, I believe it should be the law for you to disclose it.
01:37:07.000I understand if you think I'm entirely unreasonable, thinking you should disclose AIDS. But you've got to do it better than it's mean.
01:37:15.000What would you think about other STDs?
01:37:17.000Would you file all those under, like, if you were to create the law?
01:37:22.000Well, the problem is, again, with age, you're talking about a life...
01:38:38.000Now, I'm not an abortion doctor, I'm not a doctor, but I've always thought about abortion, because it's something that people listening to this show, watching this show, these are things that you think about.
01:38:47.000I believe that Hillary Clinton lied when she is vehemently against same-sex marriage.
01:38:52.000And now she's for it, and she says she's always been for it.
01:39:48.000So a lot of people, including some conservatives, still feel guilty about Hiroshima, the bombing, dropping the A-bomb, Nagasaki, and felt guilty.
01:40:10.000Just like I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one human life, when someone kills people unprovoked or kills innocent people in the World Trade Center, for example, that's way worse than an act of war.
01:41:03.000When he was going to make the radio announcement that they were going to concede in the war, people tried to assassinate him because they still wanted Japan to keep fighting.
01:41:08.000The military leaders still wanted to keep fighting.
01:41:10.000Yes, they still wanted to keep fighting.
01:41:11.000And they were willing to sacrifice their own people.
01:41:14.000So it's very important that you know that.
01:41:15.000And the United States said, gosh, we know a ground war is going to lead to millions of casualties.
01:41:20.000If you look at the documents that went back and forth, this was something that was deliberated over for a long time.
01:41:24.000Bill Whittle's done a great video on this.
01:41:26.000He said, we know there are going to be far more casualties if we go in on the ground.
01:41:30.000Not to mention, of course, how far the Axis could get.
01:41:55.000And let's release them strategically in different spots at different times because we know the Japanese government is going to hide it from their people because they will hide behind their people as human shields while the United States tries to defend their people, just like Hamas.
01:42:06.000They fire their rockets from schools and from mosques so that when Israeli troops try and fire back, they can go, look at the people you killed!
01:42:15.000Whereas Israel, if you've ever been to Israel, anyone out there who's been to Israel, Dave Rubin will tell you about this too, they build bombs.
01:42:20.000It's just a part of the kids in Israeli schools.
01:43:09.000And if you look at wars and how bloody they were, especially at the gridlock that was occurring in World War II, would have been far worse than dropping these significant weapons.
01:43:27.000Even if it weren't the Japanese, even if it were the same amount of civilian casualties, if it prevented American casualties in war, I still would support it.
01:43:36.000So I want to make sure that you don't think I'm backing off and saying only because of Japanese.
01:49:37.000So you better make sure that you're nice.
01:49:40.000So, I'm like, oh my gosh, she's probably right.
01:49:43.000This could be someone where this is like their last meal, and if they don't get validation, they're about to off themselves and hang themselves at the shower curtain.
01:49:49.000These photos are not, they're not positivity inducing.
01:51:14.000I don't know if it was the best tact to take.
01:51:19.000If they were suicidal, and I didn't say anything, and they thought that it went to their mother or something, and their mother didn't give a crap about their hospital food that they were eating, then that could have been the last freaking straw.
01:51:36.000Is this actually your thought process?
01:56:27.000My outgoing message has been funny my whole life, and then I was buying this house, and I was getting all these mortgage people calling and buyers, and it's the first, at 45, it was the first time I said, you've reached Gavin McInnes, I'll leave a message after the tone, I'll try to get back to you.
01:56:43.000Before, I was doing voices and farting and getting my Jamaican doorman to go, well, go on, he's not here, you know, Babylon's cruising in.
01:58:11.000I got some conservatives who were mad at me because I wrote about how I would kill a thousand gorillas to save one human child and I wouldn't even be late to dinner.
01:58:20.000And libertarian conservatives decided this was the fight they wanted to pick.
01:58:23.000They're like, you could have tranquilized it.
01:58:24.000No, because in real life, you hit a gorilla with a tranquilizer and you piss it off for a while and he has your little kid in one hand and a bunch of time and doesn't know what to do with it in the other.
01:58:34.000And you've got about three minutes before he goes lights out, in which case he could collapse on the child.
01:58:38.000So people just say incredibly stupid things.
01:58:48.000If you look at great men in history, they were both.
01:58:51.000You weren't considered a complete man without the physicality, without being intellectual.
01:58:56.000It wasn't considered crazy to tell a man you loved him, to have intimate relationships, and it wasn't considered gay.
01:59:01.000That's kind of a modern symptom of leftism telling everyone maybe you're secretly gay.
01:59:06.000Well, the whole concept of the jock rapist is the blonde with the letterman sweater, and he's out there raping all day and raping cheerleaders.
01:59:14.000That's why the UVA hoax was so successful.
01:59:17.000That's why Mattress Girl has her narrative.
01:59:19.000But when you actually look into it, you go, I've done some research.
01:59:22.000Those guys are at the bottom of the rape list.
01:59:25.000And when I include prison, men are at the bottom of the rape victim, I mean, men are at the top of the rape victim list.
01:59:30.000And you realize your stupid little John Hughes film narrative Isn't even close to reality, but for some reason it's been very successful.
01:59:50.000These moms, right, they let their kids play, they let their kids get into trouble, and they're called, well, I know I can't swear on your show, S-H-I-T-T-Y moms.
02:00:16.000And they're owning it the way gun nuts do.
02:00:20.000But you realize that these gun nuts, these people that understand that more guns equal less crime and the hood would be a lot safer if people had guns.
02:01:20.000Everything that she talks about is arbitrary, and when you hear her speak, she clearly has no idea what she's talking about.
02:01:25.000I know you're Canadian, so I know some of those things might get passed in the technicality, but as a gun owner and I watch her, I go, this is complete BS. And so the second I heard it on Monday, I called BS. I said, there's no way this interview wasn't edited.
02:01:37.000And then by Wednesday, we were vindicated.
02:01:47.000They've been through them a million times.
02:01:49.000And the answer is, felons can't get guns, blah, blah, blah.
02:01:52.000I mean, I'm not even going to go through it now, but the big picture here is that they've been vilifying the patriarchy and, you know, the alpha male for so long that they're now glorifying disgusting pariahs.
02:02:04.000And, by the way, this is why the left It ends up with ISIS and Sharia law because they go, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
02:02:11.000And now they prefer people who throw gays off buildings to guys who are friends with gays because they don't fit the narrative.
02:03:46.000But as far as actual razor-sharp claws go, the gorilla just has his weird Homer Simpson beak that he uses to bite off your heels and your groin and then your chin.
02:05:31.000And is this from personal experience where everyone I knew who did the date rape stuff in high school who were creepy, they were all like guys in rock bands.
02:06:10.000I discovered all this mainstream music very recently, and I was watching some movie, and they had a bunch of jocks.
02:06:15.000I guess this is an American thing where they all go with boats to some sort of quarry, and they hop from boat to boat swimming.
02:06:21.000When I was that age, we were going to anarchist conventions and discussing the future of the anarchist dialectic, whatever the hell, and I'm just like, what a waste.
02:06:29.000Why was I thumbing my nose up at jocks when they were having so much fun?
02:06:34.000So I'm definitely coming at this from a new angle, and I'm realizing that these guys had it right all along.
02:07:59.000He may have been a more effective Supreme Court judge than president.
02:08:04.000Yeah, no, I think you're right, and I appreciate that you're balanced, because a lot of people are either on the Never Trump campaign or they hate Ted Cruz, and Gavin has been consistent.
02:08:12.000He's always been a fan of both, and he's been nice to people on both, and he's not a mean jock.
02:11:36.000I spoke with a lifeguard, because we were talking about some UFC fighter who was doing this, like a breath-holding thing, to train his lung capacity, which is stupid.
02:11:44.000And he wrote a letter to the producer saying, hey, just so you know, what he's doing, actually, without any warning, that's actually one of the most common causes of drowning.
02:13:18.000He made a great point when he was talking about sort of this reversal of roles with young men.
02:13:24.000And, you know, I wanted to talk about this because Courtney wrote about it, but I wanted to go into it a little bit more from a male perspective.
02:13:47.000But they will say, no one's really straight.
02:13:49.000In other words, implying that it's a choice.
02:13:51.000And these same people, if you go to the Feminist Film Festival, as I've gone, or you go into gender studies, these same feminists, they try and do an about-face and say, well, we're the ones who really actually care about men.
02:14:01.000Men are afraid to express their feelings, and that's also a byproduct of patriarchy.
02:14:06.000Men are afraid to be open, and so that leads to these kinds of depression and the suicide rate, which is almost entirely a middle-aged, particularly white male problem.
02:14:20.000If you look back throughout history, men had very intimate relationships with other men, meaning very close, loving relationships, friendships, and there was never even an inkling of a sense that it might be gay.
02:15:00.000And the reason men have complexes is not because of patriarchy.
02:15:03.000When you tell people that heterosexuality doesn't really exist, when you tell them that everyone is secretly gay, when you say Captain America is really close with his friend Bucky, well, really, it's clear that he's gay...
02:15:16.000Men who know they're not don't want to be lumped in with that.
02:15:19.000So the reason they have a harder time expressing their emotions now in 2016 is because you've made old men think that if they express their emotions, they're secretly gay.
02:15:29.000That doesn't come from men throughout history.
02:16:45.000This is something to think about, Zach Ford.
02:16:47.000He didn't have any numbers regarding epidemics or doctors or statistics who disagreed with the current politically correct transgender treatment.
02:16:55.000And this is what he does for a living.
02:16:57.000Leftists are so used to simply throwing out language and deciding the playing field in which the argument takes place, they're not used to someone not accepting it.