Louder with Crowder - #87 OMG CNN CAUGHT LYING!! Dinesh D’Souza and Joey Salads | Louder With Crowder

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00:00:42.000 Oh, I'm in the speedy to sound.

00:00:48.000 Glad to be with you.

00:00:49.000 I am your host, Stephen Crudder.

00:00:50.000 That's the sound of the weekend, and what a week it has been.

00:00:54.000 Producing with me in video studio, as always, is NotGayJarred. 0.54

00:00:58.000 You can follow him on Twitter at NotGayJarred.

00:01:01.000 I fulfill my legal obligations.

00:01:02.000 Draw your own conclusions.

00:01:04.000 NotGayJarred is already looking at Hopper, chewing on the squirrel. 0.96

00:01:07.000 He's just demolishing it.

00:01:07.000 He is.

00:01:08.000 Hey, Hopper, stop it.

00:01:09.000 Just going for it.

00:01:10.000 Later in the show.

00:01:11.000 It adds character later on.

00:01:12.000 At the outset, it's just distracting.

00:01:14.000 We're going to get to a lot in this program.

00:01:16.000 We have Dinesh D'Souza.

00:01:17.000 A lot of people were saying when we tweeted this out, do you actually have Dinesh D'Souza on or is it just you doing an impression of Dinesh D'Souza?

00:01:24.000 To you, I said, I don't know what you're talking about, but Dinesh D'Souza is on this program.

00:01:29.000 Joey Salads will be on.

00:01:30.000 Some people are saying, who screens your guest?

00:01:31.000 Listen, I get that Joey, he's like internet sort of jackass stuff to pull some weird pranks, but he's also come out of the closet as more conservative, has faced some backlash.

00:01:39.000 It's an interesting story.

00:01:40.000 Later on, we'll have Super Mexican.

00:01:41.000 Not sure yet, maybe not confirmed chat with AIDS because something happened here behind the scenes.

00:01:47.000 I don't want to say it involves the AIDS. No.

00:01:50.000 But a lot has happened.

00:01:51.000 You know, it's funny.

00:01:52.000 Sometimes we do this show once a week.

00:01:54.000 Obviously, hashtag NeverDaily.

00:01:59.000 Milwaukee, we didn't really talk about last week.

00:02:00.000 If you go back...

00:02:01.000 It happened after the show, I think.

00:02:02.000 Right.

00:02:03.000 It was corn gains we were talking about.

00:02:05.000 And now that's sort of died down a little bit.

00:02:07.000 But obviously that's the main...

00:02:09.000 I mean, it dominated the headlines up until Wednesday.

00:02:11.000 Yep.

00:02:11.000 So we will get to some other stories later on.

00:02:13.000 We'll get into the Amy Schumer, the recent rape hint.

00:02:18.000 It's not really about rape.

00:02:20.000 In stand-up comedy, Larry Wilmore, whose show is canceled.

00:02:23.000 Guess why he thinks it was canceled?

00:02:25.000 I'm going to go on racism.

00:02:27.000 Stop it.

00:02:28.000 You're supposed to foreshadow.

00:02:30.000 You're not supposed to ruin it.

00:02:31.000 Foreshadowing has nothing to do with racism.

00:02:35.000 A little less predictable than Comedy Central.

00:02:37.000 But I'm sure you could have guessed that.

00:02:39.000 We also have This Week in Social Justice Outrage because there was so much.

00:02:42.000 We had so many.

00:02:42.000 We're going, well, do you want to make this a segment?

00:02:44.000 There's about five or six from this week.

00:02:46.000 What do we have?

00:02:47.000 We have Cam Newton, Black Olives Matter, Ellen DeGeneres, Ryan Lochte.

00:02:50.000 We're just going to sandwich it into one segment.

00:02:51.000 You could do about 12 segments worth, which is a whole show.

00:02:54.000 You could do a whole show on the outrage.

00:02:57.000 Speaking of outrageous, that's what we call a segue, we have right off the bat CNN. So this happened this week with Milwaukee.

00:02:57.000 All right.

00:03:04.000 Well, let's just kind of give you the ins and outs of Milwaukee.

00:03:07.000 First, a guy, Sylville Smith?

00:03:10.000 Yep.

00:03:11.000 Sylville Smith was shot by a police officer.

00:03:14.000 So Black Lives Matter, you know, man the cannons! 0.99

00:03:17.000 And they waited for precisely zero facts, started as one does, rioting and burning stuff down in the streets.

00:03:25.000 One might call it a trend, Stephen.

00:03:26.000 One might call it...

00:03:27.000 A trend.

00:03:28.000 Causation does not equal correlation, regardless of how many CVS's get burned down.

00:03:34.000 So this was going around, and CNN, God bless them, the beacon of journalistic integrity that they are, they ran a segment from the perpetrator slash victim's sister.

00:03:48.000 And she was caught.

00:03:49.000 This is the original thing.

00:03:51.000 This is the original video they released on CNN. Let's just let you watch this, and then we'll show you why it matters.

00:03:57.000 With his sister calling for peace.

00:03:59.000 Don't bring the violence here and the ignorance here.

00:04:03.000 Milwaukee police say they made multiple arrests overnight.

00:04:06.000 We're still waiting on those final numbers.

00:04:08.000 That's what they ran.

00:04:08.000 So there you go.

00:04:09.000 Sister bringing calls to peace.

00:04:11.000 Don't bring the violence here.

00:04:12.000 You would watch it and it seems like she's saying...

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 Seems...

00:04:15.000 She's saying, hey, Black Lives Matter. 0.56

00:04:16.000 All four words of it.

00:04:17.000 Act like adults.

00:04:17.000 Yep.

00:04:19.000 Let's stop this.

00:04:20.000 Let's come together.

00:04:21.000 Let's unify.

00:04:23.000 Sometimes context changes things.

00:04:26.000 Now, I don't want to preface...

00:04:27.000 I don't want to taint your opinion before you see the full context.

00:04:32.000 So let's...

00:04:33.000 Parental warning.

00:04:34.000 Parental warning.

00:04:35.000 This is what she actually said.

00:04:37.000 This is what she said.

00:04:57.000 Weave?

00:04:58.000 I must admit, I thought you said weed at first.

00:04:59.000 I thought you said weed at first.

00:05:01.000 But you don't wear weed unless maybe you're smoking weed.

00:05:03.000 Just to be clear, we talk about context over content a lot.

00:05:07.000 Yeah.

00:05:08.000 They said she was calling for peace, stop burning stuff down.

00:05:11.000 Some would argue the context has changed when she was, in fact, saying the opposite of that.

00:05:15.000 Some would argue, yeah.

00:05:16.000 When she says, go to the suburbs, burn their stuff down.

00:05:19.000 The opposite tends to, yeah.

00:05:21.000 That happened in Detroit.

00:05:23.000 Gosh, I'm forgetting the name of the mayor, but he said, all y'all bad mother effers hit eight mile. 0.96

00:05:28.000 And that was a big thing with white flight. 0.88

00:05:29.000 So, I don't know. 1.00

00:05:30.000 You tweet me at Ez Crowder what you think of that shit. 1.00

00:05:33.000 Here's the thing. 0.99

00:05:34.000 Editing always happens.

00:05:37.000 Editing any video that's ever been run in the history of ever is edited if you select an in and out point.

00:05:42.000 I understand that.

00:05:43.000 So everything is selectively edited.

00:05:44.000 What matters is if you edit it to change the context or subvert the meaning of what the person said.

00:05:50.000 That's when you get into journalistic malpractice.

00:05:52.000 That's when you get into being dishonest.

00:05:55.000 One could make the case that them saying she was calling for peace when in fact she was calling for violence wasn't the proper context.

00:06:05.000 It would seem reasonable to assume.

00:06:07.000 But that could be racism.

00:06:08.000 Now, enough people thought that CNN Had to do this.

00:06:08.000 That could be.

00:06:15.000 God bless him.

00:06:16.000 I want to take a moment to clarify something from Monday.

00:06:18.000 We had a report that inadvertently and wrongly characterized the plea from a Milwaukee woman whose brother was killed by police.

00:06:25.000 As our viewers saw, she demanded that the violence stop in her community.

00:06:29.000 But in fact, she also said that protests should instead take their violence to the suburbs.

00:06:34.000 I regret that second part of her statement was not included.

00:06:38.000 Here's the deal.

00:06:40.000 Do you think, how many, if you see one, how many more do you think have actually occurred?

00:06:44.000 I regret that that portion was not included.

00:06:47.000 Literally, unless someone is sitting in the editing room at CNN going, alright, listen, I don't have a lot of time.

00:06:52.000 four seconds, we're good, we're good, and walks off.

00:06:55.000 She goes into it so quickly.

00:06:56.000 A randomly selected four seconds of that, because that was like, some would argue that was the meat of her. 1.00

00:07:01.000 It occurred within three seconds of each other.

00:07:04.000 The next clip is so small.

00:07:05.000 It was such a small little slip.

00:07:06.000 If you put one frame to either side of it, you would have gotten it.

00:07:09.000 You would have gotten it.

00:07:10.000 If you watch, okay, it's like, all right, listen, Johnson, intern, here in the editing suite, show me this.

00:07:15.000 We don't, you know, stop burning stuff down!

00:07:17.000 Okay.

00:07:18.000 Where does this go? 1.00

00:07:19.000 Three seconds later, burn this shit down in the suburbs! 1.00

00:07:23.000 Burn it down! 1.00

00:07:24.000 Hmm.

00:07:25.000 What to include?

00:07:26.000 Or, unless you just heard, unless you went in and watched a three-second clip, don't burn stuff down!

00:07:31.000 That's all I need.

00:07:32.000 Run it.

00:07:33.000 And walked out?

00:07:33.000 No one's doing that.

00:07:34.000 Of course they knew.

00:07:36.000 They couldn't possibly have not known.

00:07:38.000 You're just writing this down.

00:07:39.000 I'm going to have to hit the dump button for terrestrial.

00:07:44.000 The mistake they made here was they were caught.

00:07:46.000 They were caught like Brian Williams in the copter, like Dan Rather with the documents.

00:07:52.000 So, and this is the reason they do it is because they've whipped people up into a race war right now.

00:07:57.000 Black Americans, this generation of black Americans will be far worse off than the previous two generations. 1.00

00:07:57.000 We know that. 1.00

00:08:03.000 They will because of corn gains, because of situations like this, because of the media coddling them, being complicit.

00:08:08.000 They're going to be far worse off because of the victim complexes.

00:08:11.000 They've never known any kind of racial healing because they've reopened those wounds deliberately.

00:08:16.000 Jared will bring up a picture here.

00:08:18.000 The guy who was shot by the police officer, this is him.

00:08:21.000 Mr.

00:08:23.000 Smith, what an upstanding young citizen.

00:08:25.000 What's funny about that Glock he's holding, you know there's a round in that chamber.

00:08:28.000 And his finger's on the trigger.

00:08:30.000 And there's no safety in a Glock.

00:08:32.000 There's no safety in a Glock.

00:08:33.000 There's the trigger safety, but his finger's on the trigger with a round in the chamber aimed at the camera.

00:08:38.000 So either he has an unbelievable selfie stick or someone is in grave danger.

00:08:43.000 So this guy had a gun, refused to drop it, police officer shot him, not an upstanding citizen.

00:08:50.000 Thug, you mean? 0.95

00:08:51.000 Yeah, thug, absolutely. 0.96

00:08:52.000 Look at that picture.

00:08:52.000 Thug was invented for that guy.

00:08:54.000 Also, I have it up on my screen. 0.96

00:08:55.000 Little known fact, the officer he shot was black. 0.99

00:09:00.000 So here we have black guy shoots a black officer. 1.00

00:09:05.000 The black officer shoots a black... 1.00

00:09:06.000 Gosh, it's just so much black. 1.00

00:09:08.000 So much black. 0.99

00:09:09.000 It's not black on black crime. 0.98

00:09:10.000 It was black on black justice with this police officer.

00:09:12.000 Do you have an idea how hard it is to be that police officer?

00:09:14.000 It is...

00:09:15.000 I do not envy black police officers in the United States today.

00:09:19.000 In Detroit, where my dad used to live, the Percheronis, their dad was a police officer in Detroit.

00:09:22.000 He said, man, black police officers in the city, they had to take a far route to their house because they couldn't be tracked.

00:09:29.000 They had to be extra careful because they were seen as traitors. 0.92

00:09:32.000 So this officer, I don't know how many of you have heard of this, you certainly didn't hear about it through the media when it broke, was black who shot him. 0.88

00:09:38.000 And they knew that all along.

00:09:39.000 It took about three seconds of digging.

00:09:41.000 It came out the day after the first Milwaukee riots.

00:09:43.000 So...

00:09:44.000 This brings us to Sheriff Clark, who we've talked about, who is great.

00:09:49.000 We ran this on the site.

00:09:50.000 People loved it.

00:09:51.000 No one else ran this, and this is why this is so important.

00:09:53.000 No one ran this at all because it was taken from a long-form press conference.

00:09:56.000 It's easy to get into cable news and hear Sheriff Clark come with Bill O'Reilly where people are competing for soundbites.

00:10:01.000 Here's the deal.

00:10:02.000 Why I like that guy is he's so much better when he's authentic and you watch the full speech.

00:10:07.000 So this was, what, a 16-minute speech, something like that?

00:10:09.000 Yeah, at least a good 10, 11 minutes.

00:10:11.000 A good 10, 11 minutes.

00:10:12.000 It's all worth watching when he's more subdued.

00:10:15.000 But here's something that he said that I think really resonated with people and enraged some.

00:10:19.000 The police use of force serves as an igniter, there's no doubt, but to an already volatile situation, a volatile mix of urban pathologies, failed urban policy that exacerbates Inescapable poverty, failing public schools, inadequate parenting, father absent homes.

00:10:43.000 We all know when fathers are not around to shape the behavior of young boys, they oftentimes grow up to be unmanageable misfits that the police have to deal with in an aggressive fashion.

00:10:55.000 Pathologies like lifestyle choices is questionable.

00:11:00.000 And that's the recap of everything you just talked about.

00:11:03.000 Fatherless households. 0.73

00:11:05.000 Failed policies.

00:11:07.000 I mean, look, listen.

00:11:08.000 Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland.

00:11:11.000 These are not bastions of freedom. 0.97

00:11:12.000 These are not places where black people are better off. 1.00

00:11:14.000 Donald Trump was talking about this in his speech, and he was right about that. 0.65

00:11:16.000 The people who are hurt are law-abiding black citizens.

00:11:19.000 Milwaukee, people called me on this.

00:11:20.000 I included it among cities that were under far-democratic-left rule.

00:11:24.000 They said, no, that's not true, because Milwaukee actually had a mayor...

00:11:30.000 Who was a socialist.

00:11:31.000 An actual socialist.

00:11:33.000 Well, he goes on to say the only two worst schools in the country are Cleveland and Detroit.

00:11:36.000 I'm surprised that they're that bad in Milwaukee.

00:11:40.000 I was just in Milwaukee recently.

00:11:42.000 So this is important when you see the media sort of unravel it.

00:11:45.000 Oh gosh, we have to go to a break.

00:11:46.000 break we'll talk about it more and uh i've got an airline for a story for you after the break that jared demand i tell carol costello for cnn it has been brought to our attention that there were some mild but important inaccuracies in last night's newscast that we need

00:12:14.000 to correct project.

00:12:16.000 Firstly, the video that we showed you from Milwaukee of the victim's sister calling for peace was actually selectively edited to cover up the fact that she was calling for violence.

00:12:27.000 Other corrections to be made from last night's broadcast.

00:12:30.000 Lena Dunham was in fact not raped.

00:12:32.000 Donald Trump did not beat a small child.

00:12:34.000 And I am not STD free.

00:12:37.000 Also, unfortunately, we were incorrect with a few of our tornado warnings.

00:12:41.000 We were off by approximately 152 miles, resulting in the deaths of 184 innocent civilians.

00:12:49.000 We're sorry about that one, too.

00:12:51.000 Finally, it is my legal obligation to inform you that myself, as well as my colleague, Anderson Cooper, have been legally barred from referring to ourselves as actual journalists.

00:13:01.000 Stay tuned for this night's broadcast after the break.

00:13:05.000 Whoa, Jared, what are you doing? 0.97

00:13:18.000 Shoot bad guys. 0.98

00:13:19.000 With what? 1.00

00:13:20.000 AR-15.

00:13:21.000 Where'd you get it?

00:13:22.000 AR-15.com.

00:13:23.000 Oh, there's another one!

00:13:24.000 Kaboom! 0.99

00:13:25.000 You got him!

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:26.000 Thank God for AR-15.com.

00:13:28.000 They have AR-15 and accessories for sale and the best advice there is on the web.

00:13:32.000 Oh no, there's another one!

00:13:33.000 Kaboom! 0.99

00:13:34.000 You got him!

00:13:35.000 Yeah.

00:13:36.000 With your what?

00:13:37.000 AR-15.

00:13:37.000 From where?

00:13:38.000 AR-15.com.

00:13:39.000 That's the best place to go, and that's the takeaway, because this commercial's about to stop!

00:13:46.000 Thank you.

00:14:12.000 Thank you.

00:14:36.000 I was watching Stranger Things.

00:14:38.000 When we grew up and there were black kids who were in our circle of friends, you didn't really think about it that much.

00:14:43.000 That's all it is now.

00:14:45.000 And this is sort of the fragmenting of entertainment period online.

00:14:48.000 People are able to get things so specialized.

00:14:51.000 But do you think Family Matters could have occurred today?

00:14:54.000 Oh, gosh.

00:14:55.000 Think about this.

00:14:55.000 Family Matters and Fresh Prince.

00:14:57.000 Think about this for a second.

00:14:57.000 I was talking with my dad about this.

00:14:59.000 Family Matters, the dad is a cop, an all-black family, the star, the dad is a cop.

00:15:04.000 Well, Urkel notwithstanding, he's the real star.

00:15:06.000 He melted our hearts and entered our souls.

00:15:08.000 He captured the nation's hearts.

00:15:10.000 Fresh Prince, the dad was a judge.

00:15:12.000 Yep.

00:15:13.000 And Cosby, he was a doctor.

00:15:16.000 But that's not as bad.

00:15:17.000 The point is, judge and cop.

00:15:18.000 These are the people they hate.

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:21.000 I don't think there's any way...

00:15:22.000 Could you imagine today if they tried to release a sitcom, an all-black sitcom... 0.99

00:15:27.000 Where the dad was a cop or a judge?

00:15:29.000 I don't think it would exist. 1.00

00:15:30.000 Stop banging your damn pen. 1.00

00:15:32.000 It's a good pen. 1.00

00:15:33.000 You think you're that guy from Goldeneye?

00:15:35.000 He's not invincible.

00:15:36.000 Speaking of which, so this is a story Jared was saying we should talk about this on air.

00:15:41.000 I don't know why.

00:15:42.000 We were taking a flight.

00:15:45.000 Now, here's the preface.

00:15:46.000 Well, how is this political?

00:15:47.000 We're going to have Dinesh D'Souza on after the break, and we'll get back into more of it.

00:15:50.000 When you want to think of industries that you can't stand, think of the ones that either have the most government intervention or have been bailed out.

00:15:58.000 Happy with your health insurance?

00:16:01.000 Big energy?

00:16:02.000 Big pharma?

00:16:04.000 Airlines?

00:16:05.000 Never-ending supply of bailouts with airlines?

00:16:07.000 Think about with airlines.

00:16:08.000 They don't need to accommodate you because...

00:16:11.000 They're never going to go under.

00:16:12.000 Nope.

00:16:12.000 The government's going to...

00:16:13.000 It's too important.

00:16:13.000 It's too big to fail.

00:16:14.000 Big banks, you happy with your service at Bank of America?

00:16:17.000 Worst case scenario, there's merge.

00:16:18.000 Right.

00:16:18.000 They just merge.

00:16:19.000 So they merge and get bailouts.

00:16:20.000 That's the system of airlines.

00:16:22.000 So that's why the service is so bad.

00:16:23.000 I don't know that Southwest has done it where they tend to have the best service.

00:16:26.000 They do.

00:16:26.000 So Naki, Jared, and I were traveling across the country with the full staff because...

00:16:31.000 Hint, not Southwest.

00:16:32.000 Right.

00:16:33.000 Not Southwest.

00:16:34.000 Hint, hashtag never daily because that was not where we were going.

00:16:37.000 We're looking at any studio space.

00:16:38.000 So we went out.

00:16:39.000 We're going out there, and we book an American Airline flight.

00:16:42.000 We get on the flight.

00:16:43.000 It's been a long day.

00:16:44.000 I say, hey, you know, I would like to get a beer for me and my friends on the flight.

00:16:49.000 One beer.

00:16:50.000 Sam Adams.

00:16:51.000 That's all I had.

00:16:52.000 Sure.

00:16:53.000 So they bring it out.

00:16:54.000 Now, Jared seems to think I was out of line.

00:16:56.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:16:57.000 You be the judge, and you can tweet me.

00:16:58.000 They bring it out, and I give them a card.

00:17:00.000 They say, oh, sorry, we don't take cards.

00:17:02.000 We only take cash.

00:17:04.000 American Airlines actually takes cards and not cash the last time I flew them.

00:17:07.000 Most of them only take cards.

00:17:09.000 Most of them only take cards.

00:17:10.000 I said, I'm sorry.

00:17:11.000 Is there any way you could write it?

00:17:13.000 I don't have any cash on me.

00:17:14.000 At this point, the beer is out.

00:17:16.000 Cough 2016.

00:17:17.000 Yeah, Cough 2016.

00:17:18.000 She goes, you know what?

00:17:19.000 Let me talk to my supervisor.

00:17:21.000 I'm sure we can do something.

00:17:23.000 Goes back and talks to the supervisor, who I'm guessing maybe had a bad day, comes barreling down the aisle.

00:17:28.000 I think she had about a bad couple thousand days.

00:17:31.000 A bad couple thousand days.

00:17:32.000 Comes barreling down the aisle.

00:17:33.000 She goes, um, cash only.

00:17:35.000 Cash only.

00:17:36.000 Cash only.

00:17:37.000 I said, well, listen, I can't know that.

00:17:39.000 I said, I'm just saying I have a card.

00:17:41.000 The beer's here.

00:17:41.000 I'm not trying to steal it from you.

00:17:43.000 I just don't have cash.

00:17:44.000 And honestly, she goes, cash only on American Eagle.

00:17:47.000 I said, my ticket says American Airlines.

00:17:49.000 I bring it up, it says American Airlines.

00:17:50.000 I said, it doesn't say American Eagle anywhere in this plane.

00:17:53.000 It does.

00:17:54.000 On the outside.

00:17:55.000 On the inside, it actually said United, if you looked at it.

00:17:58.000 It was an old United plane.

00:17:59.000 And at this point, everyone is turning and listening.

00:18:02.000 And she says...

00:18:04.000 Well, I said it before we left off that it's cash only.

00:18:07.000 I said it right at takeoff.

00:18:08.000 I announced it on the intercom.

00:18:10.000 And this is where it escalated.

00:18:12.000 I said, oh, so I was supposed to use the onboard ATM amidst takeoff to ensure that I had cash on me.

00:18:23.000 And she went, she's like, well, well, you know what?

00:18:25.000 I'll fight.

00:18:25.000 I'll get you the beer.

00:18:26.000 It's going to come out of my paycheck.

00:18:28.000 I said, I don't want it to come out of your paycheck.

00:18:29.000 I'm trying to give you my money.

00:18:31.000 I just don't have cash.

00:18:31.000 It's 2016.

00:18:32.000 At this point, people on the plane, Jared was there.

00:18:36.000 Jared was there, as was his brother.

00:18:38.000 They turn and they say, Mike.

00:18:40.000 Oh, I'm busy.

00:18:41.000 Yes, exactly.

00:18:41.000 This is where you can just see the glow of screens as they're about to tape this.

00:18:46.000 That's what I thought.

00:18:47.000 Instead, it was like a mini-revolution on the plane. 0.99

00:18:50.000 People had had it, and I think people just said, oh wait, this guy's not taking her crap. 0.94

00:18:59.000 And five people go, my ticket says American Airlines 2. 0.96

00:19:05.000 And she goes, well, it's regional.

00:19:07.000 It's regional.

00:19:07.000 American Eagle.

00:19:08.000 I said, I don't know that it's regional.

00:19:10.000 Can you take my money?

00:19:11.000 Can I get a beer?

00:19:13.000 She goes, well, it's going to come out of my paycheck.

00:19:14.000 I said, okay, well, then forget about it.

00:19:15.000 This isn't even fun anymore.

00:19:17.000 She goes, well, I've said too much.

00:19:18.000 I shouldn't have told you that it came out of my paycheck.

00:19:20.000 I'm like, you shouldn't have done any of this.

00:19:22.000 This is not the point where you cut it off.

00:19:23.000 You shouldn't have talked about your paycheck.

00:19:25.000 You should have not done anything that you have done.

00:19:28.000 This is a series of horrible decisions.

00:19:30.000 It's not our fault she's been working there since before the internet was created.

00:19:33.000 And then...

00:19:34.000 This is the kicker.

00:19:35.000 Probably start on prop planes.

00:19:36.000 She left, and she came back, and she asked me my name and ticket number, as well as your brothers, and went back with a scowl.

00:19:46.000 And we were like, ah, this is how you get put on a no-fly list.

00:19:48.000 You want to buy a Sam Adams?

00:19:50.000 You only have a card.

00:19:51.000 You don't know that it's a regional jet.

00:19:53.000 And she was furious.

00:19:54.000 Oh, oh, that's not it.

00:19:55.000 That's not it.

00:19:55.000 And then she goes on the intercom.

00:19:56.000 She goes on the intercom, I swear to you.

00:19:59.000 Ten minutes later.

00:20:01.000 For passengers who are not yet aware, even though I announced it, as the plane took off, we accept cash only.

00:20:11.000 Only cash.

00:20:12.000 Like, seriously, she was the flight attendant Nazi. 0.90

00:20:15.000 Only cash!

00:20:16.000 If you see something, say something.

00:20:19.000 And everyone was sitting there going, can you believe this?

00:20:22.000 Here's the bummer.

00:20:23.000 She comes back finally with some beers.

00:20:25.000 Only two!

00:20:26.000 Only two! 0.98

00:20:27.000 So not gay Jared. 1.00

00:20:29.000 We all had two-thirds of a beer. 0.88

00:20:31.000 Yeah, we all had two-thirds of a beer.

00:20:32.000 So I guess there's a socialist message there somewhere.

00:20:36.000 She was trying to be... 0.57

00:20:37.000 It was just...

00:20:37.000 It was unreal.

00:20:39.000 And I'm sitting there going, gosh, this is someone...

00:20:41.000 This is just a glorified...

00:20:43.000 Really, at the end of the day, glorified welfare queen. 1.00

00:20:45.000 She's doing this on my tax dollars. 1.00

00:20:46.000 If I go through my tax returns, I'm sure I can find that I've paid American Airlines enough through bailouts to earn a beer.

00:20:54.000 Well, American Eagles.

00:20:54.000 I don't know what goes to American Eagles.

00:20:56.000 Anyway, tweet me.

00:20:57.000 I want to get your emails this week.

00:20:59.000 Your worst airline stories.

00:21:01.000 Because I don't think I was out of line.

00:21:03.000 Jared and his brother were horrified that I had the reaction.

00:21:07.000 It was a true Curb Your Enthusiasm.

00:21:09.000 You weren't wrong.

00:21:10.000 Oh, I was supposed to use the onboard ATM. You could hear the proverbial cocking of heads as they said, I'm going to get...

00:21:18.000 And you know what?

00:21:19.000 That just shows you.

00:21:20.000 It only takes one person to go against the grain.

00:21:23.000 Everybody joined in and were showing their tickets going, this is unbelievable.

00:21:27.000 So it might seem like a small battle, but I started a revolution on American Airlines because I had a card and I wanted beer.

00:21:34.000 Dinesh D'Souza coming up after this.

00:21:35.000 There's a segue.

00:21:36.000 This is breaking news on Outer with Crowder.

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00:22:01.000 Shaddle Acornson has come out from his hiatus to release his latest ad against the Hopper Cane ticket for 2016 presidency.

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00:22:16.000 Listen, everybody at Squirrel Suiticles is glad to see the Hopper, is alive and well and has returned, and at worst is a worthy adversary.

00:22:25.000 But for those of you voting for them, who think they're getting some sort of a new kind of candidate with integrity, you'll be sorely disappointed.

00:22:34.000 Do you expect integrity from the world's greatest noodle thief? 1.00

00:22:41.000 I can't believe Hopper ate that.

00:22:47.000 I guess Hopper?

00:22:50.000 - Did you eat that?

00:22:51.000 Did you eat that?

00:23:00.000 He won't even look him in the eye.

00:23:01.000 Did you eat that?

00:23:01.000 There's no remorse.

00:23:03.000 It's a borderline sociopath. 0.73

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00:23:15.000 We'll keep you abreast as the 2016 election unfolds.

00:23:19.000 For Lowderwood Crowder, I'm Barry Malethan.

00:23:24.000 You're a strange animal, that's what I know.

00:23:28.000 But you're a strange animal, I've got to follow. 0.99

00:23:35.000 Back. 0.86

00:23:37.000 Glad to be back.

00:23:38.000 Bringing my microphone.

00:23:39.000 And I'm not going to dance that long.

00:23:40.000 This is a special guest, Jared.

00:23:42.000 Dinesh D'Souza, Hillary's America.

00:23:44.000 Of course, it's available on DVD, digital, as well as paperback and hardcover.

00:23:49.000 All of the above.

00:23:50.000 I don't know.

00:23:51.000 When will that be coming to beta?

00:23:53.000 Don't jump the gun.

00:23:54.000 So the DVD of the movie comes out in October.

00:23:56.000 It's not available yet.

00:23:57.000 It's still in theaters.

00:23:58.000 And we're going to do an expanded release in September.

00:24:00.000 If you'll let me, HillaryisAmericaTheMovie.com.

00:24:05.000 All right.

00:24:28.000 Glad to be back with our next guest.

00:24:30.000 People never know if you're amused by the dancing or immensely uncomfortable.

00:24:34.000 No one knows.

00:24:35.000 We're all uncomfortable.

00:24:35.000 He has a film out right now.

00:24:37.000 It's just going gangbusters.

00:24:38.000 A book of the same name.

00:24:40.000 Hillary's America.

00:24:41.000 You already know who he is.

00:24:42.000 You can run a Google search and find him.

00:24:44.000 Dinesh D'Souza, thanks for being here, sir.

00:24:47.000 It's great to be on the show.

00:24:48.000 Yeah, well, we're glad to have you.

00:24:50.000 And full disclosure to people listening, Dinesh and I have worked on side projects before, so people are going, why don't you have Dinesh on?

00:24:54.000 And I'm like, well, he's really busy and he's above the show, so let's just not drag him through it.

00:25:01.000 But your film and the book is doing really well.

00:25:04.000 Obviously, you had kind of Obama's America before.

00:25:08.000 Was the goal deliberately to try and affect the election or just to educate people?

00:25:13.000 Well, the goal is to educate people in an election year, so I would say there's some of both.

00:25:21.000 The Obama film that I did four years ago was just about one man.

00:25:24.000 It was just about the secret history of Obama because so little was known about him.

00:25:29.000 But Obama was an isolated guy.

00:25:31.000 In some ways, he's been detached from the Democratic, his own party, for eight years.

00:25:36.000 Hillary is the leader of a gang, and it is this progressive gang.

00:25:40.000 It's the Democratic gang.

00:25:41.000 So rather than make a movie just on Hillary, I don't think she's quite as interesting as Obama, to be honest.

00:25:46.000 I decided to make a movie on the Hillary gang.

00:25:48.000 How did it get started?

00:25:50.000 What kind of rackets did it pull?

00:25:51.000 What happened when it got busted?

00:25:53.000 How did it go on to new things?

00:25:54.000 How did it cover up its tracks?

00:25:56.000 So it's actually a little bit of a godfather movie, I have to say.

00:26:00.000 Right.

00:26:00.000 Well, okay, so speaking of that, you make an airtight case, and people should definitely watch it.

00:26:04.000 But that brings us to when you debated Cenk of The Young Turks.

00:26:08.000 I watched this.

00:26:09.000 I thought, okay, I'm going to have to see this, having been on YouTube and seeing Politicon and what they do.

00:26:14.000 And...

00:26:15.000 I remember, okay, let me lay the foundation for people who haven't seen it.

00:26:17.000 We've talked about this.

00:26:18.000 Right away they debate.

00:26:19.000 I'll let Dinesh describe it.

00:26:21.000 I thought, well, this is a different animal from what Dinesh is used to because people are usually respectful.

00:26:26.000 He's debated people like Christopher Hitchens.

00:26:28.000 I'm not sure Sam Harris or Dawkins, but they repeat debate because they have mutual respect.

00:26:33.000 And politically, I've debated Jesse Jackson.

00:26:36.000 I've debated the guys on the far left.

00:26:39.000 I debated Bill Ayers at Dartmouth.

00:26:41.000 Actually, we did a couple of debates, one in Michigan, I believe.

00:26:44.000 So I've debated not only the liberals, but the far left.

00:26:47.000 So in that sense, I'm accustomed.

00:26:48.000 But generally, my approach has been to maintain good relations with these guys, to have a debate that's feisty but cordial.

00:26:55.000 And that has some respect for intellectual integrity.

00:26:58.000 In other words, a debate in which you won't have somebody who ignores facts or pretends that things that are true are not true.

00:27:05.000 And so with Cenk, this was quite a surreal experience because I wasn't quite accustomed to a creature like Cenk's. 1.00

00:27:14.000 Well, you know, it's absolutely true.

00:27:15.000 He's gone after me for a long time and then provided no recourse, so we did a parody of it, and we've done parodies kind of even on this show with it.

00:27:23.000 I remember the first thing he put up, he goes, your own audience thought you lost!

00:27:27.000 Right afterwards, he puts up a Twitter poll, and that flipped not long after.

00:27:32.000 Because you have those initial people liking and downvoting things before they've watched it.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 It's kind of a silliness, because obviously, I mean, I have a following that is many times the size of his, so I could easily overwhelm him in any of those sorts of polls.

00:27:46.000 But I was thinking really just more of the actual debate itself, where, you know, he'd say things like, you know...

00:27:52.000 You say that blacks were better off under slavery.

00:27:54.000 And I say, no, I don't say that.

00:27:56.000 But what I say is what Muhammad Ali said.

00:27:58.000 You know, Ali, of course, when he came back from the rumble in the jungle, made the famous remark someone asked him, hey, champ, what do you think of Africa?

00:28:05.000 And he goes, thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.

00:28:08.000 But behind the sort of pungent remark, Ali was making a serious point, which is that, look, his great-great-great-grandfather was worse off But he, Muhammad Ali, is better off for living in America.

00:28:18.000 He wouldn't be the world champion if he had been born probably in some other place like Afghanistan. 1.00

00:28:23.000 So he's making an obvious point that the descendants of slavery are lucky to be living in the orbit of Western freedom.

00:28:31.000 So I'd make a point like this, and Cenk would start laughing up Rory and say, there you go, that's just what I said.

00:28:37.000 How many hands think slavery's good?

00:28:39.000 Do they actually think slavery's good?

00:28:41.000 Of course it's not good, right?

00:28:43.000 I would watch it.

00:28:43.000 It's a kind of intellectual thuggery, and what I don't know is if he's a sophisticated man who's putting on an act, or if he actually is what he presents himself to be, which would of course be far worse.

00:28:54.000 Well, God!

00:28:56.000 Talk about, this is what I'm talking about.

00:28:57.000 He's very cordial, but it cuts like a knife even worse.

00:29:01.000 I mean, and the funny thing is you would bring up stuff that you've already...

00:29:03.000 This is what I've noticed.

00:29:04.000 And I say this respectfully because, like you said, you've been with people who are intellectual heavyweights, and I think you would probably agree, win some, lose some.

00:29:10.000 You know, it goes back and forth.

00:29:11.000 You've had better nights and worse nights.

00:29:13.000 But I've always known you to maintain good relationships, as you've said.

00:29:16.000 In this case, the technique is different, and I want to get into because you've sort of bridged more traditional media with new media better than a lot of people.

00:29:24.000 You debate, and I think a lot of people you've debated, they're arguing to try and convince the audience of their argument.

00:29:31.000 People like Cenk, and this is sort of generational, this new generation of far leftists, they use the audience to try and intimidate their opposition.

00:29:39.000 Did you notice that stark contrast?

00:29:41.000 Yeah, well, Cenk had a kind of a robot crew that was in the audience.

00:29:46.000 And I think these were real people, but they might have been robots.

00:29:49.000 I'm really not sure.

00:29:50.000 But in any event, every time Cenk would say something, including the most pedestrian statements, like he would mention George Bush, this audience would then mechanically jump up and down and start shouting and applauding.

00:30:00.000 So almost like Cenk was controlling them through a kind of device of some sort.

00:30:05.000 It was unbelievably frightening because these are young people who are in a formative stage of life, and you think there would be some intellectual openness, some curiosity, that their idealism would have some search quality to it.

00:30:17.000 But no, these appear to be just sort of...

00:30:20.000 You know, either paid robots or just mechanized robots.

00:30:24.000 And so you got a sense of what, you know, when you think of the mass movements of the 20th century, people cheering for Castro or cheering for Stalin, this sort of thing, this mass phenomenon, I got a little glimpse of it in Politicon that day.

00:30:38.000 Okay, a couple quick questions.

00:30:40.000 Did you and Cenk shake hands off camera?

00:30:42.000 Was he friendly?

00:30:43.000 Did you make nice or no?

00:30:45.000 I was certainly cordial with him, but I think what upset me wasn't so much his personal incivility.

00:30:50.000 It wasn't that.

00:30:51.000 It was just more that there was a certain kind of intellectual unwillingness to...

00:30:56.000 He'd say something like, you know, well, as you know, Dinesh, all the Dixiecrats in the Democratic Party then became Republicans. 0.51

00:31:03.000 And I would say, well, I'm familiar with the case of Strom Thurmond, but can you name a second case?

00:31:07.000 Now, obviously he couldn't, but he would say something like, there you go again, using your good old debating tactics.

00:31:13.000 Now, of course, we're in a debate, so you think debating tactics would kind of be, if anywhere, that they'd be legitimate, it would be there.

00:31:18.000 But this unwillingness to even, you know, entertain a counter argument, I just got the sense that I was debating a wall.

00:31:26.000 But was he nice to you afterward?

00:31:28.000 Was he nicer?

00:31:29.000 Because he was incredibly malicious and personal.

00:31:32.000 Yeah, he was cordial, but he wasn't friendly.

00:31:37.000 And by the way, just by way of comparison, if I look at the whole range of the atheists, for example, Hitchens and I were genuinely friends.

00:31:45.000 I mean, we would have a pizza after the debate.

00:31:48.000 Now, there are other guys I've debated, like Daniel Dennett, you know, more pompous and so on.

00:31:52.000 And so Dennett was the kind of guy who kind of felt like, outside the debate, he should be cordial but not friendly.

00:31:59.000 And Cenk was that way.

00:32:00.000 He was withdrawn, didn't say much, you know, he shook my hand and so on.

00:32:04.000 But it was the intellectual incivility within the debate that I thought was particularly appalling.

00:32:10.000 Well, it did look like as it went on, you looked increasingly uncomfortable because you were going like...

00:32:15.000 It was just any time you would make a factual statement, it got very personal.

00:32:18.000 Of course, you went to prison!

00:32:19.000 He did it!

00:32:20.000 He did it!

00:32:21.000 He went to prison!

00:32:22.000 Of course!

00:32:23.000 That was his whole thing.

00:32:24.000 And he kept going back to it or, nobody sees your movies!

00:32:27.000 Everything was remarkably personal.

00:32:31.000 I don't mind it being personal.

00:32:33.000 In other words, I would come back and say things like, okay, look, I did exceed the campaign finance law, but justice isn't a matter of did you do it, but it's also a matter of does the penalty fit the crime?

00:32:43.000 The other guys who did the same thing get the same penalty.

00:32:46.000 So I maintain that no person in American history has ever been locked up for doing what I did.

00:32:53.000 So a normal person now on the other side would go, wow, if we're claiming that this is progressive justice, that's a problem.

00:32:59.000 I need to find at least some other cases where other guys got the same penalty.

00:33:03.000 Otherwise, Dinesh has in fact been railroaded.

00:33:06.000 I never got the sense with Cenk that even after the debate, he would make such an inquiry.

00:33:10.000 This is a kind of a guy, I mean, he almost defines closed-mindedness in a way that I've not encountered before.

00:33:17.000 And so I was a little bit...

00:33:19.000 It's almost like I felt like an anthropologist.

00:33:21.000 I wanted to take out my equipment and begin to study his insides, because I haven't quite encountered a chink before. 1.00

00:33:29.000 He wanted to go Dr.

00:33:30.000 Grant sweeping off the Velociraptor clause, only to take a lot of digging to get to the center of chinks. 1.00

00:33:35.000 So I ask you that because, is it true there are no cases?

00:33:40.000 What would they say are cases similar to yours, or is there nothing?

00:33:43.000 Because I did look into it specifically comparable to yours, and I didn't find anything, but that doesn't mean something that...

00:33:48.000 And we know this because we search for them.

00:33:51.000 I mean, I have a legal team that looked for them because when you go before a judge, you have to be prepared.

00:33:55.000 The government looked really hard because they wanted to tell the judge, look, there are all these cases where these guys have gotten, but in fact, all the cases that they came up with involved corruption.

00:34:05.000 In other words, someone is trying to buy an appointment or someone is trying to get a favor through a lawmaker.

00:34:11.000 In my case, I didn't even, the candidate didn't even know.

00:34:13.000 So there was no corruption involved or even alleged.

00:34:18.000 And that's what makes this case particularly interesting.

00:34:21.000 I think it will – it's going to go down in campaign finance history as a kind of a blip, a very interesting case that people will look at and go, hmm, what was that all about?

00:34:29.000 Right. 0.67

00:34:29.000 Well, people either have to say either he's the dumbest criminal in history who received no benefit whatsoever or it's just something that's happened all the time. 0.67

00:34:37.000 And like you said, they've railroaded him. 0.97

00:34:39.000 And I think – You've just touched on something.

00:34:41.000 I've talked about this with the Second Amendment, you know, the famous Heller case.

00:34:44.000 The argument that loses, that's presented, is equally important, or the opposition argument.

00:34:49.000 If there were a case, like you're saying, it would be in their best interest to say, well, here you go, here's a directly comparable case, open and shut.

00:34:56.000 The fact that they weren't able to was very telling.

00:34:59.000 And this is one thing, too.

00:35:00.000 You know, we've gotten into this with Facebook by filing a legal motion.

00:35:03.000 You know, you and I both know that what happens legally in a court that is legally observable is very different from social media drama.

00:35:10.000 And you've been in both realms.

00:35:12.000 You've been in the academic realm, you've been in the legal realm.

00:35:15.000 And then this new social media realm, which you see with people like Cenk.

00:35:19.000 The good side is anyone can have a voice.

00:35:22.000 The bad part of that is that you have a lot of hacks who can still develop these huge followings just through dirt slinging.

00:35:28.000 So does that concern you, the way it's shifting, bridging that gap?

00:35:32.000 Do you think that's kind of just a small trend, a small blip, or do you think it could be dangerous?

00:35:38.000 Well, I think that you're quite right, Stephen, that it could be a real benefit to democracy that we've got this kind of open channel and that the kind of arguments that were previously confined to the Oxford Debating Society or PBS are now accessible to people and people can not only listen, they can participate.

00:35:58.000 And what I try to do is bridge the gap between academia and sort of popular discourse by speaking in a very conversational way.

00:36:07.000 And I do this in the movie and in the book.

00:36:09.000 So, for example, in Hillary's America, I make this claim.

00:36:11.000 It's pretty startling.

00:36:12.000 I say, in 1860, the year of the Civil War, no Republicans owned a slave.

00:36:18.000 I say all the slaves in the United States and the whole country were owned by Democrats. 0.54

00:36:22.000 Now, this is a very arresting, factual claim.

00:36:27.000 There's a very easy way to refute it.

00:36:29.000 Hey, Dinesh, here is a list of 10 Republicans who own slaves, right?

00:36:33.000 I would have to retract the statement.

00:36:33.000 Exactly.

00:36:35.000 But no one has been able to do that.

00:36:37.000 So this is actually the way that I think public discourse should happen.

00:36:41.000 It should happen by asserting and counter-asserting claims, by marshalling evidence, by making it accessible to people.

00:36:49.000 And again, I'm not saying that there's no one on the progressive side who does that, because I think there probably are.

00:36:54.000 Interestingly, with this movie and book, the left has not put anyone of any caliber up against us who's been able to seriously challenge, let alone refute, A single claim in the book or the movie.

00:37:05.000 That's a very important point.

00:37:07.000 I think they attack you more on style, kind of like you're saying you bridge the gap, and they're going, well, he's a former intellectual who's become pedestrian, but like you said, it's making this accessible to people, and if anyone has read your books, frankly, my parents made me read letters to a young Christian, and being the young comedian, smart-ass that I was, I was like, this is kind of dry.

00:37:23.000 It's very intellectually written.

00:37:25.000 And something is, you do both of those things, you know, and you get rail-rated regardless.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, I mean, early in my career, I wrote books that were scholarly, that were supported by footnotes.

00:37:36.000 Now I do that, but I also try very hard to make those books.

00:37:39.000 My assumption in writing now is I assume my reader knows nothing about the subject, but is also really intelligent.

00:37:45.000 Right, okay, hold that thought.

00:37:46.000 We'll be back with more Dinesh D'Souza.

00:37:48.000 If you change the channel, you're a bigot.

00:37:51.000 That's the rule.

00:37:52.000 That's the rule.

00:37:53.000 And now, Roger Ailes advises Donald Trump.

00:38:10.000 Music Okay, listen, frankly, I'm thrilled.

00:38:17.000 Okay, I think we've got a crack squad here.

00:38:19.000 We're really going to turn this thing around, all right?

00:38:20.000 Because truthfully, all right, frankly, I've got to be honest with my voters, okay?

00:38:23.000 I'm not going to pivot.

00:38:25.000 I'm not Scottie Pippen.

00:38:26.000 I'm going to be me.

00:38:27.000 Okay, Roger, I'm going to...

00:38:28.000 Roger.

00:38:29.000 Hey, Roger, quit motorboarding Megyn Kelly.

00:38:33.000 We've got work to do, okay?

00:38:34.000 Okay.

00:38:36.000 Hey, Roger!

00:38:38.000 Quit motorboarding, Maggie Kelly! 0.96

00:38:40.000 Stay tuned for more.

00:38:41.000 Stay tuned for more.

00:38:50.000 That's what I know. 0.99

00:38:54.000 But you're a strange animal. 0.94

00:39:00.000 Glad to be back. 0.96

00:39:01.000 Bringing my microphone.

00:39:02.000 I'm not going to dance that long.

00:39:03.000 This is a special guest, Jared.

00:39:05.000 Dinesh D'Souza, Hillary's America.

00:39:07.000 Of course, it's available.

00:39:09.000 It's available on DVD, digital, as well as paperback and hardcover.

00:39:12.000 All of the above.

00:39:13.000 I don't know.

00:39:14.000 When will that be coming to beta?

00:39:16.000 Don't jump the gun.

00:39:17.000 So the DVD of the movie comes out in October.

00:39:19.000 It's not available yet.

00:39:20.000 It's still in theaters.

00:39:21.000 And we're going to do an expanded release in September.

00:39:24.000 If you'll let me, hillaryisamericathemovie.com, that's the website.

00:39:28.000 That'll tell you where it's playing near you.

00:39:29.000 Sorry, that's right.

00:39:31.000 A little bit of timing there, where it's both released in theaters and the DVD before the election.

00:39:35.000 I see where he's noodling it.

00:39:38.000 I do highly recommend it.

00:39:39.000 You have definitely, regardless of where people line up politically, we've talked about this. 0.97

00:39:44.000 Most conservative content is crap, particularly as far as documentaries. 0.96

00:39:48.000 They've been really bad. 0.99

00:39:49.000 They've been embarrassingly bad.

00:39:51.000 There are a few standouts, but it definitely seems, even if you look at your hiring practices and the way these films are shot...

00:39:57.000 That you've made it a point to step up in quality.

00:40:00.000 Was that your mission from the outset, or is it just something that happened organically?

00:40:05.000 Well, no.

00:40:06.000 I knew nothing about making movies four years ago when I undertook 2016, but I did know that Christian and conservative movies tend to be sort of subpar and that people feel a sense of duty.

00:40:16.000 I've got to go to support the movie.

00:40:18.000 Now, I don't want people to go to support my movie.

00:40:20.000 I want people to go to be entertained and to learn a bunch of stuff and to come up moved and inspired and fired up.

00:40:25.000 And so I wanted to make that type of a movie.

00:40:28.000 Now, 2016 is that type of a movie, but it's also a simpler movie.

00:40:32.000 It's the kind of movie that you could have shot on a handheld, a very nice handheld camera.

00:40:36.000 But now that we're doing recreations of history and recreations of politics, we do them at a very sophisticated level.

00:40:43.000 So, for example, the confinement center prison scenes in this movie, there are people who thought I actually shot them in prison.

00:40:49.000 I couldn't because actually my judge issued an order that I can't film my confinement, I can't film my teaching of English to immigrants, and I can't film my psychiatric counseling, which I'm sure you, Stephen, would have loved to see, the re-education of Dinesh D'Souza.

00:41:04.000 I would also want to get the name of your doctor.

00:41:05.000 It could probably help me out.

00:41:08.000 It was an effort that failed, and my rehabilitation has been proclaimed incomplete.

00:41:13.000 Right.

00:41:14.000 Well, it's one thing to have, obviously, to seek help on your own.

00:41:18.000 It's another to have a psychiatric evaluation and rehabilitation mandated, and then the end result isn't the opinion they want, maybe.

00:41:26.000 And they go, well, listen, the guy's still conservative.

00:41:29.000 This is a scary thing about guys like Cenk is that, you know, generally I would feel that with a goodwill guy on the other side, like, I have no desire to lock up Michael Moore or ruin him financially or subject him to psychiatric.

00:41:41.000 I would never think that way.

00:41:43.000 But these guys think that way, or some of them do.

00:41:46.000 There's a sort of authoritarian streak where they go, well, yeah, I'm really glad he got that man.

00:41:50.000 Wish we could have kept him, you know, under the gun for longer.

00:41:52.000 And so this is the totalitarian streak that you see in the left, and it's...

00:41:57.000 It characterizes Hillary and it characterizes a fair number of fargoons. 0.97

00:42:01.000 Well, I believe, too, that obviously a form of open ideas is best for the conservative or libertarian argument.

00:42:07.000 That's always what I've maintained.

00:42:08.000 And so have you seen with, good example, unedited, the Dinesh-Chenk debate?

00:42:14.000 I would recommend you go review it.

00:42:16.000 Of course, go to go see Hillary's America. 1.00

00:42:18.000 But this is one that was very compelling to me.

00:42:20.000 Have you noticed...

00:42:22.000 Since that is as open and unedited as could possibly be, an influx of new fans from that because they just go, all right, I haven't seen this before.

00:42:31.000 Well, I noticed two things.

00:42:32.000 One is that I noticed that an influx of new fans, a lot of younger people, which wouldn't normally have probably come across my work.

00:42:39.000 The other thing is I went on the Young Turks channel and I began to look at the feedback on Cenk's site.

00:42:45.000 Now, while the feedback on my site is 99% positive, on Cenk's site it was running about 50-50.

00:42:51.000 And a lot of people were like, Cenk, I thought you were a reasonable guy, but to see you go on like an intellectual goon at this debate, I was a little bit embarrassed for you and embarrassed for myself for being your fan.

00:43:02.000 And so I was kind of interested to see this kind of stuff on Cenk's own site.

00:43:06.000 And I'm sure Cenk was, you know, thinking, I mean, I don't know what Cenk thinks, but I thought it was significant that even on the young Turk side, you probably have some young people who are more intellectually open-minded than their hosts. 0.97

00:43:19.000 Well, I used to get that a lot because, as you know, I've been on YouTube for years and I was the only one there.

00:43:23.000 It was just an empty desert.

00:43:25.000 And as a Christian, and of course the Young Turks, when they were a little smaller, would go after me. 0.99

00:43:29.000 And they would go, oh, I hate you.

00:43:30.000 And then they go, you know what?

00:43:30.000 I've kind of flipped on this.

00:43:32.000 Even if they're an atheist, even if they would completely disagree with, for example, your debate with Hitchens...

00:43:37.000 They've grown up a little bit and they've recognized, you know what, I thought Cenk was this anti-corporate, not just Cenk, I don't want to doggy pile on him, but a lot of leftists who've presented themselves as these anti-establishment, anti-authoritarians, who've ironically become the man.

00:43:51.000 And you're definitely seeing an exodus, not massive, but it's noticeable.

00:43:56.000 And does that give you hope in kind of this area of a very cracked conservative movement with Trump and never-Trump?

00:44:04.000 Well, on the left, you've seen these sites like Gawker and Daily Beast and Mediaite and so on.

00:44:11.000 And you've got these guys, and many of them are, you know, two years out of college, and they don't know anything.

00:44:17.000 So they'll say things to me like, Dinesh, have you ever heard of the Nixon Southern strategy?

00:44:22.000 And I'm like...

00:44:24.000 Yeah, not only have I heard about it.

00:44:25.000 I've written extensively about these things.

00:44:27.000 I wrote a 2,000-page book called The End of Racism.

00:44:30.000 I'm very familiar with all these things. 0.50

00:44:32.000 But they have this sort of, you know, idiot way of lecturing me about things that I'm, you know, sort of everything that they know on the topic was my starting point 20 years ago. 0.94

00:44:43.000 I don't quite know what to make of this. 0.91

00:45:03.000 So, you know, I'd love to have real debates about these things, like the big switch and so on, but the quality of the debate, I mean, it throws me back to when I was 20 and I looked up to people like Irving Kristol, Bill Buckley, Solzhenitsyn, Hayek, Milton Friedman, and I realized that those guys were writing in small magazines and in different forums, and the world is different now, but it is pathetic to see the lowering of the intellectual lowering that has happened between then and now.

00:45:29.000 Right. 0.90

00:45:29.000 I think you're smart to say, I assume that the audience knows nothing, but is not an idiot. 0.90

00:45:34.000 We've had that, we've run into that a lot with Second Amendment issues, where we talk, we assume, right, sort of like a tree.

00:45:39.000 Okay, there's a branch, semi-automatic, then you get to assault weapons, clips versus magazines, and then you realize you're still at the trunk.

00:45:45.000 They don't know what semi-automatic means.

00:45:47.000 So you go, okay, let's back this up. 0.99

00:45:49.000 They're not idiots. 0.98

00:45:49.000 They just don't know anything about this given subject. 0.98

00:45:52.000 And so I do appreciate you bridging that gap because there aren't a lot of people doing it.

00:45:56.000 They're either in academia or they're hacks like us who are dancing along to techno bumps.

00:46:01.000 Dinesh, we're going to go to a web extended after this.

00:46:03.000 The website right before we go.

00:46:05.000 Hillary's America, the movie.com.

00:46:08.000 And then the book is available in Costco and Barnes & Noble everywhere else you can get books.

00:46:14.000 This is true, ladderwithcrader.com, Web Extended, what does that mean?

00:46:16.000 Yes, it's a free tape because he was on a different coast.

00:46:18.000 Oh, we tricked you! 0.93

00:46:19.000 web extended ladderworthcarter.com or you're racist. 0.75

00:46:22.000 And now for installment 42 of Clarence McCaskill. 0.84

00:46:45.000 Worst negotiator ever.

00:46:51.000 This is getting dicey.

00:46:52.000 Is Clarence here yet?

00:46:53.000 He's supposed to be here any minute, boss.

00:46:55.000 All right, guys, I'm here.

00:46:56.000 What's the situation?

00:46:58.000 Clarence, thank God you're here.

00:46:58.000 He's been holed up with 14 hostages for eight hours.

00:47:01.000 He's already killed two of them.

00:47:02.000 He's making his demands right now.

00:47:03.000 Eight hours, and you just called me now, huh?

00:47:06.000 Nothing like waiting to the last minute.

00:47:08.000 All right, give me the megaphone there.

00:47:10.000 Hi, this is Clance McCaskill, famous negotiator.

00:47:15.000 What are your demands?

00:47:17.000 Hey, man, don't get any closer.

00:47:19.000 I will find $100,000 in unmarked bills in a devil bag and a helicopter to give me to Mexico.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, okay, we'll get right on that, right after we build the time machine to go back and save the four people you killed.

00:47:33.000 What? 0.99

00:47:34.000 Yeah, we're not giving you that stuff, and we're probably going to kill you. 0.97

00:47:38.000 What are you talking about? 0.92

00:47:39.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:47:40.000 You think we're going to give you a helicopter and unmark bills and let you walk out?

00:47:45.000 No, we're probably sending SWAT members in right now. 1.00

00:47:49.000 And you are going to die soon. 1.00

00:47:52.000 Don't fool around, man! 1.00

00:47:53.000 I'll kill her! 1.00

00:47:54.000 Hey, is this guy for real? 1.00

00:47:55.000 Yeah, he's famous.

00:47:55.000 They gave him, like, a reality show.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, it's on A&E and everything.

00:47:59.000 Hey, man, don't fool around! 1.00

00:48:00.000 I'll kill another person! 1.00

00:48:02.000 See, the thing is, you already killed four, so I'm gonna level with you. 1.00

00:48:07.000 We're willing to make that bargain as long as we take you out. 0.60

00:48:12.000 I'm not joking.

00:48:13.000 Do what I say.

00:48:15.000 Yeah, please, just do what he says.

00:48:16.000 No, I'm not going to do what you say. 1.00

00:48:18.000 I'm just thinking of a way to kill you. 1.00

00:48:21.000 Oh, Clarence. 0.99

00:48:23.000 Stay tuned for the next installment of Clarence McCaskill, Worst Negotiator Ever.

00:48:28.000 Clarence McCaskill, Worst Negotiator Ever.

00:48:40.000 Here we go.

00:48:41.000 We're back.

00:48:59.000 I'm worried.

00:49:00.000 I'm worried that Hopper has a problem with dancing.

00:49:02.000 We need to recondition him.

00:49:03.000 He does. 0.73

00:49:04.000 He's like a Baptist dog. 1.00

00:49:06.000 Racist Baptist dog. 1.00

00:49:07.000 You know what I think it is? 0.98

00:49:08.000 I think it's when we did the Brexit thing and we danced with the firearms.

00:49:12.000 He doesn't like that.

00:49:14.000 I think that conditioned him to be afraid.

00:49:16.000 I am your host, hosting, of course, second hour.

00:49:18.000 Producing with me in the studio, as always, is Not Gay Jared. 1.00

00:49:21.000 Follow him on Twitter.

00:49:22.000 Something else.

00:49:24.000 People were tweeting us.

00:49:25.000 Yes, that last one was a pre-tape because Dinesh was on the West Coast.

00:49:28.000 This is live, so people can get mad.

00:49:30.000 To prove it, they just asked me to talk about Gawker.

00:49:32.000 You saw that.

00:49:33.000 Yep.

00:49:33.000 And a guy just tweeted, he's watching us live in a gym.

00:49:37.000 If that's Planet Fitness, I'm going to lose my mind.

00:49:43.000 It's almost as if he has something else.

00:49:44.000 I don't mind having...

00:49:46.000 Sequential hermaphrodite followers. 0.98

00:49:49.000 Trannies who use the wrong bathrooms. 1.00

00:49:51.000 But I will not cater to an audience that attends Planet Fitness.

00:49:56.000 Every man has their limits.

00:49:57.000 Gawker's gone under.

00:49:58.000 That happened this week.

00:50:00.000 Gawker is gone.

00:50:01.000 Done.

00:50:02.000 No more.

00:50:02.000 And that's not really surprising.

00:50:03.000 Of course, the Hogan sex tape accelerated that.

00:50:07.000 But they are just, there's a changing with clickbait outrage culture. 0.76

00:50:11.000 That's the difference is these leftist sites.

00:50:13.000 It's constant clickbait where you don't really know.

00:50:16.000 You have to click the story.

00:50:17.000 And every time you click a story at Gawker, it's, oh, I'm supposed to be offended by something.

00:50:20.000 So I don't really know that there's a story there.

00:50:22.000 People want to gloat that they're gone.

00:50:24.000 I mean, they've attacked yours truly several times, but it doesn't really bother me all that much.

00:50:28.000 A lot of the hits these sites do, they're just not, you're like, all right.

00:50:31.000 They're not very talented in their hits anymore.

00:50:34.000 You're saying I'm secretly gay? 0.67

00:50:37.000 Okay.

00:50:38.000 Have you seen her dancing, perchance?

00:50:40.000 This isn't some kind of a conspiracy to which you've gotten to the bottom.

00:50:45.000 It's pretty much out there.

00:50:47.000 So that's what's happened with Gawker.

00:50:48.000 Try harder.

00:50:48.000 Don't be so lazy.

00:50:50.000 Speaking of Gawker, this is a story that's gotten big.

00:50:52.000 And I think this is important because there are several facets to this.

00:50:55.000 Comedian Aaron Glazier was found guilty of rape.

00:50:58.000 We wrote about this.

00:50:58.000 Not so much found guilty as much as he was just accused.

00:51:02.000 No police were actually involved.

00:51:04.000 Nope.

00:51:04.000 We wrote about this.

00:51:06.000 Some comedians came forward.

00:51:07.000 He works at UCB in New York.

00:51:08.000 He's a comedian. 1.00

00:51:09.000 Now listen, let me preface this by saying he may be a rapist. 0.99

00:51:12.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:51:13.000 Could be a rapist. 1.00

00:51:14.000 I have no idea. 1.00

00:51:15.000 I just want to preface that. 0.98

00:51:16.000 Does he look like a rapist? 0.99

00:51:18.000 He does look like a rapist with a beard and a glasses, but it's hard to know if it's a rapist or a hipster. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Well, some may say, what's the difference these days? 0.99

00:51:24.000 It's true.

00:51:25.000 They're raping one thing, either your bank account or...

00:51:28.000 Or your self-respect.

00:51:29.000 Their own self-respect.

00:51:30.000 That's true. 0.89

00:51:31.000 It's self-rape with the hipsters. 0.94

00:51:33.000 We need to create a game on that. 0.98

00:51:35.000 So this guy, Glazier, women came forward, said he had raped them.

00:51:39.000 So he lost his job working at the Upright Citizen Brigade Theater.

00:51:42.000 I guess he had a weekly show.

00:51:44.000 And he came out and responded by Facebook.

00:51:47.000 And he said recently, one or more women have accused me of sexual misconduct.

00:51:50.000 He said, I didn't do that.

00:51:52.000 I didn't do it.

00:51:53.000 And I've had no recourse.

00:51:54.000 I don't know the names of the women.

00:51:56.000 I don't know the accusations.

00:51:57.000 And I don't know that there's been any evidence presented.

00:51:59.000 And I've lost my job.

00:52:01.000 And he's swearing up and down that he has not done this.

00:52:05.000 Okay?

00:52:06.000 He could have done it.

00:52:07.000 My point.

00:52:08.000 So don't say, you're a rape apologist.

00:52:10.000 He absolutely could have done it.

00:52:12.000 We have no idea.

00:52:13.000 That's why we have a system of law.

00:52:14.000 That's why we have courts. 1.00

00:52:16.000 So, what happened here is someone, I guess, who is friends with Amy Schumer.

00:52:20.000 I don't think he writes for her specifically.

00:52:22.000 That was a rumor out there.

00:52:24.000 A guy named Metzger.

00:52:25.000 Kurt Metzger.

00:52:26.000 I always get it wrong with Guy Metzger.

00:52:27.000 He's a comedian.

00:52:28.000 He has a show.

00:52:28.000 He has a comedian.

00:52:29.000 He has a show.

00:52:29.000 And he took to Facebook.

00:52:31.000 So, this is important why I'm giving you all these facets.

00:52:33.000 He said, hey, I know the cops aren't always helpful and that rapists don't get convicted, but they can't do anything if you've never even gone to the cops.

00:52:43.000 He said they can't help if you don't bother going to the police at all.

00:52:46.000 Why aren't the rape kits being tested? 0.98

00:52:48.000 You need to come forward and go to the cops and convict this person.

00:52:51.000 That's what this guy said.

00:52:52.000 He said if you were raped, go forward and convict this person, as we've been saying for a long time.

00:52:55.000 Now you can bring this up.

00:52:57.000 Our resident favorite, Amy Schumer, felt the need to tweet out. 0.64

00:53:01.000 I think you have it on your thing there, your image.

00:53:03.000 She tweeted out, I am so saddened and disappointed in Kurt Mesker.

00:53:06.000 He is my friend and a great writer, and I couldn't be more against his recent actions.

00:53:11.000 Only 765 retweets.

00:53:12.000 This is important.

00:53:13.000 When you look at these sites or these people who have millions of followers and their retweets, their likes are not proportional, you start to see a shift in culture. 0.98

00:53:21.000 Amy Schumer, a comedian who's made her career off of, set your stopwatch, I'm a slut! 1.00

00:53:27.000 And fat. 1.00

00:53:28.000 That's her career. 1.00

00:53:29.000 That's her entire thing. 0.74

00:53:30.000 I like eating. 0.99

00:53:31.000 I also like being slutty. 0.99

00:53:33.000 And it's worn thin very quickly. 0.99

00:53:33.000 That's her shtick. 0.99

00:53:36.000 She's been carried on the backs of critics.

00:53:38.000 They've all told you that you need to love her, that she's hysterical.

00:53:40.000 I used to think she was funny when she did stand-up. 0.99

00:53:42.000 I don't find her particularly funny these days.

00:53:45.000 But most people don't.

00:53:47.000 It's worn very thin.

00:54:01.000 If they don't do anything, that's a horrible problem.

00:54:03.000 We need to fix it.

00:54:04.000 But they can't do anything if you don't go to them.

00:54:06.000 She is mad that somebody, a man, is trying to prevent more rapes.

00:54:11.000 Kurt Mesker is trying to prevent more rapes.

00:54:13.000 That's why I want to prevent more rapes. 1.00

00:54:14.000 If this guy is going around raping everybody in the Upper West Side, or more so the Trendy Village, I don't know where UCB is in New York City anymore, guess what?

00:54:23.000 You need to come forward and get that guy convicted so he doesn't go and rape somebody else.

00:54:29.000 That's what I want.

00:54:30.000 Men don't like rapists. 0.99

00:54:32.000 Nope. 0.98

00:54:32.000 We don't want to see more women raped. 0.98

00:54:34.000 However, coming forward on social media is not the same as going to the police.

00:54:41.000 You don't care about women. 0.99

00:54:43.000 You don't care about women who could be raped, who could be future victims.

00:54:47.000 Amy Schumer, self-professed feminist, strong feminist who also literally wants to take your guns away up there with her Uncle Chuck, is saying, I am so against somebody believing in due process and thinking that you should go to the police if you're raped. 0.90

00:55:04.000 You should simply say the words rape. 1.00

00:55:06.000 You don't even need to finish the word. 0.86

00:55:07.000 Just say ruh. 0.63

00:55:08.000 And the guy is guilty and loses his job.

00:55:11.000 There is nobody, nobody who wants to see rapists locked away more than myself or more than self-respecting non-feminist strong women. 0.99

00:55:21.000 That's a good reaction of every guy out there. 1.00

00:55:22.000 You just want to kick their ass when you hear about that. 1.00

00:55:24.000 You hear about that? 1.00

00:55:25.000 It's just, as a guy...

00:55:27.000 It's completely natural.

00:55:29.000 Truthfully, have you ever met a guy in your life?

00:55:30.000 Tweet me at S-Grader.

00:55:31.000 Have you ever met a guy in your life when the subject of rape came up?

00:55:33.000 He's like, yeah, but secretly we're all on board, right?

00:55:35.000 Yeah, it's kind of our thing.

00:55:37.000 Just don't tell them.

00:55:38.000 I've met some people behind closed doors who I find out were racist.

00:55:41.000 I'm like, oh, gosh, that's surprising.

00:55:44.000 Like, legitimately.

00:55:45.000 Yes.

00:55:46.000 On the rape, usually the surprise comes when I'm like, wow, you want to do some really dark things. 0.99

00:55:52.000 You're willing to kill a guy. 0.76

00:55:53.000 I really believe you are on this subject. 0.94

00:55:55.000 I didn't think you had any, but you bring this up and I think you would.

00:55:58.000 That's usually the surprise. 0.56

00:56:00.000 I've met some people, I'm like, this guy could kill somebody.

00:56:03.000 I've never met anybody who's out of left field, we're just talking like, yeah!

00:56:07.000 Yeah! 0.97

00:56:08.000 Rape! 1.00

00:56:08.000 It's never once happened. 1.00

00:56:10.000 So this is why it's so important because you're not going to read about this at Gawker.

00:56:13.000 You're not going to read about this.

00:56:14.000 You're not going to hear about this in the news.

00:56:15.000 What you'll hear is a man accused of rape and that'll be it.

00:56:18.000 And he's posted on his Twitter that he's like, hey, look, here's my entire podcast.

00:56:23.000 Listen to it front end.

00:56:23.000 And I listened to like 10 minutes of it today.

00:56:27.000 The Guy Metzger.

00:56:28.000 Guy Metzger, yeah.

00:56:28.000 Kurt Metzger.

00:56:29.000 Kurt Metzger.

00:56:29.000 And of course, no one's going to see that.

00:56:31.000 No one's ever going to bury it.

00:56:32.000 And all they're going to live with is that tweet of Amy Schumer.

00:56:35.000 Yeah.

00:56:35.000 Well, no one really sees a tweet of Amy Schumer.

00:56:37.000 But that's the headline.

00:56:38.000 It's like those funny or die sites and stuff.

00:56:40.000 No one really pays attention to them anymore.

00:56:43.000 But it's just one of those things, when you really, and I hate to say it, like, let's peel it, or what does Ruben always say?

00:56:47.000 Let's unpack this.

00:56:49.000 Let's unpack this, which is great.

00:56:50.000 I think of an old professor I used to have in college who, that was her phrase, and everyone was like, it just married to her in my mind.

00:56:57.000 Here's the thing.

00:56:58.000 It doesn't surprise me in the comedy community that a lot of guys are like, you have these comedians who might have big podcasts.

00:57:03.000 Gavin's talked about them.

00:57:03.000 They're like, oh, I'm such a victim and I was addicted to mescaline.

00:57:07.000 And they just have a new 16-year-old on their arm every day.

00:57:09.000 There are a lot of comedians who are dirtbags and they always want to claim to be victims.

00:57:12.000 So I have very little sympathy for them.

00:57:14.000 Which is funny because Nick DiPaolo, we've talked about, is incredibly blue.

00:57:20.000 As rough as it gets, but he actually has his life together.

00:57:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:57:23.000 Whereas a lot of comedians who picture themselves as introspective and sort of alternative comics, they can't tie their shoelaces without antidepressants.

00:57:32.000 And they want to advertise that.

00:57:33.000 Like, ah, I'm unsymboled.

00:57:36.000 It means I'm smarter.

00:57:37.000 No, it just means you're... 1.00

00:57:38.000 You're a miserable person. 0.99

00:57:39.000 Just because you're unhappy doesn't mean you're funnier. 0.98

00:57:41.000 So anyway, I'm not necessarily always sympathetic to comedians, but I am sympathetic to anybody, anybody wanting due process.

00:57:49.000 This is why we have laws, and you know what you're doing?

00:57:51.000 You're belittling the crime of rape.

00:57:53.000 We've talked about this before.

00:57:54.000 But just like we might have Chad with AIDS on later when we talk about AIDS and people just saying, let's stop stigmatizing it.

00:58:00.000 No, when you don't acknowledge the statistics, when you make up statistics to try and push an agenda, you belittle people who are actually suffering from AIDS. When you say that one in four women are raped, which is entirely false, and when you fire people and say, we find this to be wildly offensive and abhorrent, this man has, without any kind of evidence, and providing the person no recourse, You are absolutely belittling rape.

00:58:21.000 Not only are you allowing people to get away with a free pass.

00:58:24.000 This is a culture.

00:58:25.000 You want to talk about rape culture?

00:58:26.000 The culture is the social media outrage culture where it is considered to be just as productive to create a hashtag or to come forward and just say I've been raped with no legal process.

00:58:35.000 A good example is Facebook.

00:58:37.000 We had this incident with Facebook.

00:58:38.000 We had several incidents where we knew that they were screwing with our account.

00:58:41.000 A report came out.

00:58:42.000 We had some billing issues.

00:58:43.000 Everybody else!

00:58:44.000 Everybody else with the big sites, they got on and they flamboyantly say, we have these problems and please help us.

00:58:49.000 We took the proper legal action.

00:58:51.000 And guess what?

00:58:51.000 We've been productive.

00:58:52.000 We've been successful.

00:58:53.000 We've resolved it with Facebook.

00:58:54.000 They're not screwing with their page anymore.

00:58:56.000 We've got the billing issue resolved.

00:58:57.000 It's one thing to go forward in social media to try and gain some followers.

00:59:00.000 And that's what Amy Schumer is doing. 1.00

00:59:02.000 And these people on the rape side, unlike the Facebook side of censorship, which is they have the right to do it, but they're lying about it.

00:59:08.000 On the rape side, people like Amy Schumer... 1.00

00:59:11.000 Are saying, well, going on Twitter is just as valid a reaction.

00:59:15.000 It's even more valid because we're raising awareness.

00:59:18.000 Oh, you get away with everything under that umbrella, right?

00:59:20.000 Well, why didn't you press charges?

00:59:21.000 I'm just raising...

00:59:22.000 I'm too scared.

00:59:23.000 I just...

00:59:23.000 I'm raising awareness.

00:59:25.000 Well, why didn't you get a rape test... 1.00

00:59:27.000 Done.

00:59:28.000 No, I'm raising awareness, really, and you just happen to be getting followers.

00:59:32.000 That's how I get the word out about rape.

00:59:34.000 Lena Dunham wasn't raped. 0.92

00:59:36.000 Let's go as far as evidence.

00:59:37.000 If you were to have it in a court of law, Lena Dunham, no. 0.99

00:59:40.000 Maybe raped her sister. 0.98

00:59:41.000 Amy Schumer, no. 1.00

00:59:43.000 Probably raped other people. 0.99

00:59:44.000 I'd imagine before she was famous, she had to get it any way she could. 0.99

00:59:47.000 Any which way she could.

00:59:49.000 Lena Dunham, no. 0.82

00:59:50.000 Amy Schumer, no. 0.98

00:59:51.000 Most of the high-profile celebrities who come out have never pressed charges, have never done anything about it.

00:59:55.000 They've done precisely zero about it, and they make front page news.

00:59:59.000 Well, what do you think happens to a girl who was actually violently raped in an alleyway? 0.96

01:00:03.000 Or someone who was sexually accosted by their uncle or a coach?

01:00:08.000 Makes it a lot harder for them to come out because it just becomes a white noise. 0.98

01:00:11.000 I was really raped. 0.88

01:00:13.000 Yeah, but it's already me Schumer and Lena Dunham. 1.00

01:00:15.000 Damn it. 0.99

01:00:16.000 I guess I should just keep my mouth shut. 1.00

01:00:19.000 We'll be back.

01:00:19.000 back.

01:00:19.000 Talk about outrage culture after this.

01:00:21.000 This Week in Feminism. 1.00

01:00:33.000 This Week in Feminism. 1.00

01:00:38.000 So Amy, it really was just the hardest thing.

01:00:41.000 I mean, I don't remember.

01:00:42.000 I don't know if I was drugged.

01:00:44.000 I don't know if I was sexually harassed or raped.

01:00:48.000 I'm so sorry. 0.65

01:00:48.000 That sounds terrible. 0.65

01:00:50.000 So I don't know what to do, but I was really thinking, I was talking with my parents, and, um...

01:00:55.000 There's just, there's no easy decision to make at this time.

01:00:58.000 I'll support you in whatever you do.

01:01:00.000 Thanks.

01:01:00.000 Okay, so I was thinking for sure that the first thing I should do is, you know, go to the authorities and file the proper paperwork to press charges.

01:01:10.000 Would we do that?

01:01:11.000 What?

01:01:12.000 I don't know about that.

01:01:13.000 No, this is a serious crime, and I want to make sure he doesn't go do this to anyone else.

01:01:18.000 I have to do this for other women.

01:01:19.000 I need to go to the cops.

01:01:21.000 Have you considered a hashtag?

01:01:22.000 Glad to be back.

01:01:44.000 After the break, we're going to have Joey Salads.

01:01:47.000 People are going, why are you having Joey Salads?

01:01:49.000 Some people are saying, why are you doing the Joey Salads?

01:01:51.000 Why dare you?

01:01:52.000 The reason why is he's pretty popular on YouTube, and he reached out.

01:01:55.000 He's a fan of the show.

01:01:56.000 He said, hey, I'd like to talk more about the political stuff a lot of people don't know, so we'll give him that form.

01:02:00.000 Who knows?

01:02:00.000 Who knows which way it could go with the Joey Salads?

01:02:04.000 And then I think we have Super Mexican and... 1.00

01:02:06.000 Chad with AIDS afterward.

01:02:07.000 We don't have the segment branded yet, but this week in social justice outrage.

01:02:12.000 There's a lot that we have, and we just figured we'd fit this into one segment.

01:02:17.000 I'm trying to wonder what we should start with.

01:02:18.000 Okay, let's do this.

01:02:19.000 So, Ellen DeGeneres got accused of racism this week. 1.00

01:02:22.000 Why?

01:02:23.000 She joined in on a meme, and she said, this is how I, for those listening terrestrially, she said, this is how I'm going to do my groceries from now on.

01:02:29.000 And she tweeted out a funny picture.

01:02:31.000 A funny picture of her riding Usain Bolt, because he's fast.

01:02:34.000 Because he's fast.

01:02:36.000 So, lesbian pro-social justice warrior progressive Ellen DeGeneres tweeted out was an already common meme with Usain Bolt.

01:02:45.000 Everyone was jumping on that one.

01:02:46.000 Yeah.

01:02:47.000 No pun intended. 0.90

01:02:49.000 Racist. 1.00

01:02:50.000 Racist. 0.99

01:02:50.000 Right away, the Twitter got on a racist. 0.99

01:02:53.000 So, riding on his back like a mule and a horse as some form of property is fun to you?

01:02:57.000 Okay.

01:02:58.000 Okay.

01:02:59.000 Here's from at rhuserious.

01:03:00.000 LGBT Ellen off the market to pick up some Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima, her two favorites.

01:03:05.000 What? 0.82

01:03:05.000 Another liberal phony. 0.82

01:03:07.000 People getting furious with her because she was... 0.99

01:03:09.000 Listen, if you can't take a compliment, black people are fast.

01:03:16.000 Have you noticed when you watch the sprinting, there's like one white guy and they put him...

01:03:20.000 It's the only example where there might be a diversity hire for the white guy.

01:03:24.000 But we're like, ah...

01:03:26.000 Let's take the white guy from Greece. 0.76

01:03:27.000 He's going to get embarrassed. 0.61

01:03:28.000 We have to have someone on there.

01:03:31.000 Look at it.

01:03:32.000 Look at this.

01:03:33.000 It's just Usain Bolt and everyone else.

01:03:37.000 There's no reason to have anyone else here.

01:03:38.000 It's Usain Bolt and everyone else. 0.97

01:03:40.000 And everyone else is black. 0.98

01:03:41.000 We just toss in one white guy. 0.97

01:03:42.000 Or a woman now.

01:03:43.000 Well, yes, or a woman now. 0.96

01:03:46.000 So, Eleanor Jenner's caught so much flack And by the way, this is a common meme.

01:03:50.000 It was with Michael Phelps.

01:03:51.000 There was a meme going around.

01:03:52.000 If you were stranded on an island, a desert island, what would you have?

01:03:56.000 Water, a flashlight, and Michael Phelps to ride to shore.

01:03:59.000 So it's not new. 0.96

01:04:00.000 Again, this proves to you that liberals, leftists are racist.

01:04:04.000 They see this as...

01:04:05.000 It's complimentary to Usain Bolt.

01:04:07.000 By the way, you know who didn't find it insulting?

01:04:09.000 Usain Bolt!

01:04:11.000 He retweeted it himself.

01:04:15.000 What...

01:04:16.000 Alright, we have so many to get through.

01:04:19.000 Alright, Cam Newton.

01:04:21.000 Cam Newton said that America was past racism.

01:04:28.000 When they asked him, they said, do you think it's about race and the flack you've caught?

01:04:32.000 He said, I don't want this to be about race because it's not.

01:04:34.000 It's like we're beyond that as a nation.

01:04:37.000 So right away, people turn on him.

01:04:39.000 If Cam Newton doesn't check himself, he's going to become the next O.J. Simpson.

01:04:42.000 You are black, brah. 1.00

01:04:43.000 Cam Newton needs to spend more time dressing like a middle-aged mom trying to get back out there and less time discussing race. 1.00

01:04:48.000 So right away, if he gets off the plantation, Cam Newton, you're not really black. 0.96

01:04:52.000 That's what Twitter let him know.

01:04:53.000 Something else we have here.

01:04:55.000 Restauranteurs stuck it to liberals.

01:04:57.000 He created the Black Lives, Black Olives Matter slogan at an Italian restaurant.

01:05:04.000 And right away, people are outraged.

01:05:06.000 Black Olives Matter. 1.00

01:05:07.000 The tweets.

01:05:08.000 Furious.

01:05:09.000 We have Green Olives.

01:05:10.000 I mean, just people, just non-stop.

01:05:12.000 Outrage.

01:05:13.000 Black Olives Matter. 1.00

01:05:14.000 You can't even make a joke about it.

01:05:15.000 So what do we have so far?

01:05:17.000 We have Ellen DeGeneres. 1.00

01:05:17.000 We have Cam Newton. 1.00

01:05:18.000 We have Black Olives Matter.

01:05:19.000 Do we have another one, or do we just have the clip?

01:05:21.000 Yeah, this one here.

01:05:22.000 What is this?

01:05:22.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:05:24.000 Ryan Lochte and vilified Douglas.

01:05:26.000 They're saying, well, Ryan Lochte lied about...

01:05:27.000 This is hilarious, by the way.

01:05:28.000 He lied about being robbed, it seems.

01:05:30.000 First off, people are saying, why are we supporting Lochte and vilifying Gabby Douglas?

01:05:35.000 I don't know anybody who says anything.

01:05:37.000 If ever Ryan Lochte's name occurs in a phrase, it's either followed by, is not as good as Michael Phelps, or is a douche.

01:05:44.000 I've never heard anybody say anything else about Ryan Lochte.

01:05:47.000 Like, he's a great swimmer, but man, he's not as good as Michael Phelps. 0.95

01:05:49.000 And that guy is a douche. 0.93

01:05:51.000 Always. 0.88

01:05:52.000 I don't know a ton of Ryan Lochte fans.

01:05:55.000 Just to be clear with you.

01:05:56.000 The reason Ryan Lochte, people aren't super outraged, is because they expect us of him.

01:06:01.000 Gabby Douglas, the reason people were critiquing her is because she was America's sweethearts.

01:06:06.000 And there were a lot of reports that she was being needlessly bitchy. 1.00

01:06:09.000 It's not because she's black. 0.98

01:06:11.000 It's not because she didn't do well.

01:06:12.000 It's not because she didn't put her hand on her heart with a national anthem.

01:06:16.000 It's not because people think she was making...

01:06:18.000 There have been reports that she isn't a team player.

01:06:22.000 America doesn't like that. 0.99

01:06:23.000 America doesn't like that whether it's white or black. 0.64

01:06:25.000 They're not the same situation.

01:06:26.000 Ryan Lochte was never America's sweetheart.

01:06:28.000 Douglas was, and so people were disappointed with her.

01:06:31.000 Because they loved her!

01:06:33.000 Because white America embraced Kevin Douglas!

01:06:38.000 Some people did confuse her with the... 1.00

01:06:39.000 I can't even remember the name of the current Olympian who's also black.

01:06:42.000 And that's embarrassing.

01:06:43.000 My mom's been guilty of that. 0.99

01:06:45.000 Being French-Canadian, she didn't see a lot of them.

01:06:47.000 And she sometimes will walk up and say, Hey, I really like you when you played the piano!

01:06:51.000 And it's just a different black guy at the jazz bar.

01:06:53.000 And you're like, Mom.

01:06:54.000 Now, is that racist?

01:06:55.000 No!

01:06:56.000 She was underexposed. 0.67

01:06:57.000 Doesn't mean she hates black people.

01:06:59.000 She has no clue as to what racism is.

01:07:04.000 She's just seen my grandparents.

01:07:05.000 Oh my gosh.

01:07:06.000 All black people look alike to them because they didn't see them. 1.00

01:07:09.000 They didn't see them.

01:07:09.000 That's kind of a rough generation, though.

01:07:11.000 You know, it's one of those things.

01:07:13.000 Racism is very clearly someone who believes they are superior to another race solely because of race.

01:07:17.000 It's not a miscommunication.

01:07:19.000 It's not about being insensitive.

01:07:21.000 Let's just frame that in with the racism.

01:07:24.000 All right?

01:07:24.000 And finally, here's a show that just came out.

01:07:27.000 What's the name of the show here?

01:07:28.000 I don't have it with me, do I? Oh, The Great Indoors.

01:07:30.000 The Great Indoors. 0.87

01:07:31.000 So this is a show where people were...

01:07:36.000 Okay, it's a show that seems to make fun of millennials.

01:07:38.000 Seems like it's trying to piggyback a little bit on, what's the Tim Allen show?

01:07:41.000 Last Man Standing.

01:07:42.000 The premise of the show is this guy is coming into this outdoor magazine, sort of, you know, wildlife, outdoor, hiking mountain man magazine, and a bunch of millennials work there, and they're part of the digital age, and they're overly sensitive.

01:07:55.000 So the whole show is like the buddy cop thing.

01:07:57.000 Wisecracking black guy, old white guy with a revolver who does things by the book. 0.90

01:08:01.000 Well, this is freewheeling mountain man from the previous generation and then a bunch of mealy-mouthed, overly sensitive millennials. 0.91

01:08:10.000 So that's the story.

01:08:11.000 Let's roll the clip so you know what this is about.

01:08:14.000 Between you and human resources, young adults today are a very delicate group.

01:08:19.000 We offer an entire class on how to deal with that.

01:08:22.000 Oh, is the class called I Was Born in the 90s Wham?

01:08:24.000 No.

01:08:25.000 There you go.

01:08:27.000 So, everything we're talking about, all of the outrage, we're tying this up.

01:08:33.000 Millennials are overly sensitive. 0.89

01:08:34.000 They're outraged about everything.

01:08:34.000 This show makes fun of it.

01:08:37.000 Guess how millennial reporters reacted? 0.95

01:08:39.000 I'm going to guess they were maybe a little bit touchy.

01:08:43.000 They were outraged!

01:08:44.000 They were outraged!

01:08:46.000 Here you go.

01:08:47.000 A millennial member interrupted Gibbons.

01:08:48.000 I'm a millennial myself.

01:08:50.000 How are we so coddled and what about our overly politically correct workplace bothers you?

01:08:54.000 Why are you portraying us as too sensitive?

01:08:57.000 And then at one point they asked, this is a member of the media who's a millennial, So are you the Trump show?

01:09:03.000 I'm just seeking clarification.

01:09:05.000 They're mocking the very reaction that they get for mocking them.

01:09:09.000 Oh my god, this is how far we've come.

01:09:11.000 We'll have Joey Salads up next. 0.97

01:09:13.000 Hold on to your butts. 0.96

01:09:14.000 All right, all right. 0.98

01:09:29.000 Our weekly double-secret patriarchy meeting is now in session.

01:09:33.000 As you know, there are refreshments at the back of the room, but please keep it to a two-per-person maximum.

01:09:39.000 Mark Wahlberg, I'm looking at you.

01:09:41.000 I only drank one last time, okay? 0.99

01:09:42.000 You're a terrible liar, Marky Mark, but you're cute. 0.99

01:09:46.000 First item on the list this week is making sure we maintain our grip on rape culture. 1.00

01:09:53.000 Any ideas?

01:09:54.000 Yes, you at the back.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, I was thinking like maybe some reverse psychology.

01:09:59.000 Hmm.

01:10:01.000 I'm listening.

01:10:03.000 So I was thinking like maybe we tell women who say they've been raped...

01:10:09.000 To go to the cops.

01:10:10.000 Thereby ensuring that they'll never go to the proper authorities.

01:10:14.000 I like it.

01:10:15.000 Yeah, yeah, because they'll, like, do the opposite.

01:10:17.000 Brilliant.

01:10:17.000 So if we all go out from here and act like we want to catch and incarcerate rapists, which, of course, we won't.

01:10:23.000 It's all a front.

01:10:24.000 We know that.

01:10:24.000 And tell these women to go to the police, we know that they'll do nothing more than relegate themselves to hashtags and Snapchat, which is entirely ineffective, allowing us to continue our stranglehold.

01:10:37.000 On consequence-free rape.

01:10:38.000 Oh, but what if one of them actually goes to the cops? 1.00

01:10:42.000 Shut up, Perry. 0.99

01:10:42.000 No one wants to hear the words coming out of your mouth. 0.99

01:10:44.000 Oh, glib, Perry.

01:10:45.000 They'll never go to the cops.

01:10:47.000 See Leonard Dunham and Amy Schumer. 0.97

01:10:49.000 Their rapist was Charles. 0.97

01:10:50.000 He's still doing it today. 0.99

01:10:52.000 Guilty!

01:10:52.000 Well, that was productive.

01:10:54.000 I feel good about this meeting.

01:10:55.000 Consider it adjourned.

01:10:57.000 See you next Tuesday.

01:10:58.000 All right, glad to be back.

01:11:23.000 This next guest, a little bit of a controversial figure there, not Kate Jarrett. 1.00

01:11:26.000 A little bit controversial.

01:11:28.000 We'll get into that.

01:11:29.000 But nothing as controversial, even with the stunts he's pulled, as apparently coming out of the closet as really just a non-liberal, you know him on youtube.com slash Joey Salads.

01:11:39.000 Joey Salads.

01:11:39.000 We'll go with like the Alice Cooper name.

01:11:41.000 We'll go with the stage name.

01:11:42.000 Joey, thanks for being here.

01:11:44.000 Thanks for having me.

01:11:45.000 So you've been on YouTube for a long time.

01:11:47.000 How many years have you been doing videos on YouTube?

01:11:51.000 Professionally, I think around two years now.

01:11:53.000 But I've been on it since like eight years.

01:11:56.000 Yeah, that was me and my brother too.

01:11:58.000 We released one in the initial Dark Ages of YouTube.

01:12:00.000 Wow, that went viral.

01:12:01.000 It got over a million hits and then saw the comments.

01:12:03.000 We're like, I don't want to be here.

01:12:05.000 Back in your little baby face.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, so now Joey has pulled some pretty extreme stunts.

01:12:11.000 He's been doing it for a while.

01:12:11.000 He's known for being outlandish.

01:12:13.000 So no shocker there, but more recently you've been...

01:12:16.000 Doing videos that if they don't have a right-wing bent, they certainly lean that way.

01:12:21.000 And you were talking about that, that the reaction has been somewhat surprising.

01:12:26.000 I mean, I'm not really surprised of the reaction.

01:12:29.000 I mean, we know how many of these liberals act.

01:12:33.000 But, I mean, in my videos, I try not to make them like, I'm making this video and I'm a conservative and I'm going to show you what to think, the conservative point of view.

01:12:42.000 I don't go in with that.

01:12:45.000 Right.

01:12:45.000 With that mentality.

01:12:47.000 I go in where it's like, let's see how women react to me dressed up as a girl using the women's bathroom. 1.00

01:12:53.000 And it just shows girls freaking out. 1.00

01:12:55.000 And I did it twice because the first time, for those who don't know, I dressed up as a transgender woman and went in the girls' bathroom and women freaked out.

01:13:05.000 And because the backlash I got was, you're not really transgender, you're not really transgender.

01:13:10.000 So I went out.

01:13:12.000 Next week, the following week, and I got two real transgenders who went from the male to female, whatever you want to call it, and they looked ten times manlier than me. 0.86

01:13:22.000 They just had wigs on. 0.98

01:13:24.000 They just had stuffed breasts. 1.00

01:13:26.000 Well, because some people were saying, I know the criticism, they were saying it was, the first one was fake, or reactions were fake.

01:13:32.000 So, first off, I'm assuming that's not the case, and then you got people who were actually living a life as a transgender person to sort of meet the critics.

01:13:41.000 Yeah, so when I wanted to satisfy the people who were like, this is fake, you're not really transgender, just to meet all the criticism with the follow-up video where I had real transgender people, and I had a microphone on them and a camera on them, and as they went in, I was interviewing people as they were coming out, and many people were not happy with that.

01:14:01.000 And when I interviewed the transgenders, they even said they get kicked out of bathrooms all the time. 0.93

01:14:06.000 Right.

01:14:07.000 How does that work out?

01:14:08.000 How do you approach a couple of transgenders in A... I want to make the internet hate you a little bit. 1.00

01:14:12.000 I want to make the internet despise you through me.

01:14:17.000 Want to hear how I did it? 0.80

01:14:18.000 I literally went driving down Hollywood Boulevard and I was like, let me look for the manliest looking transgenders that I could find.

01:14:26.000 And I pull up next to them.

01:14:27.000 Hey, you want to make a hundred bucks?

01:14:29.000 They come over to the car.

01:14:30.000 I'm like, I'm not looking for sex or nothing.

01:14:32.000 None of that weird stuff.

01:14:34.000 And I tell them what to do, and then they're like, they're down.

01:14:37.000 Well, there you go.

01:14:38.000 Capitalism bridges all lines. 0.96

01:14:40.000 Luck with midgets. 1.00

01:14:41.000 We just didn't have that.

01:14:42.000 Little troopers.

01:14:42.000 Well, it's funny.

01:14:43.000 We're going to get transgenders who are mad about this, but then we get people who are mad because we tried to rent a dwarf, is the term they prefer, for a video we were doing, and they were like, we're not going to rent you one.

01:14:52.000 You're using them for untoward purposes.

01:14:54.000 We're like, well, your business is rentadwarf.com, or whatever it was.

01:14:57.000 Like, what else could we use it for?

01:15:00.000 Okay, so that happened.

01:15:01.000 What I mentioned is sort of the backlash, because I'm sure you're more conservative.

01:15:04.000 We probably don't line up on everything.

01:15:07.000 So I don't want to necessarily get into micro-politics, but I know in the olden...

01:15:11.000 I started off in film and TV, stand-up for a long time before I really transitioned to YouTube.

01:15:16.000 I was with Fox News, and then I did work with other cable networks.

01:15:21.000 I had agents drop me.

01:15:22.000 I had managers who were like, listen, you really don't want to get into this in this industry.

01:15:26.000 Now, I wonder now because online has sort of become more mainstream.

01:15:29.000 You know, it's seen as fringe.

01:15:30.000 Now you have comedians who choose to stay there because they can do better online.

01:15:34.000 Is it that sentiment now online with representatives, with other people on YouTube or the blogosphere where they go, you don't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole.

01:15:42.000 Don't let people know you're conservative.

01:15:45.000 Yeah, because I actually filmed a scissor reel.

01:15:48.000 I'm probably not supposed to say this right now, but I filmed a scissor reel for a TV show, and the production company flew out from LA to Staten Island, where I live, filmed the whole thing, edited it, and they started pitching it to MTV, Spike, all the networks.

01:16:04.000 And when they started, they said to me, they're like, don't tweet or post anything conservative as we're doing this process, because if...

01:16:14.000 If MTV wants to buy it, and then they look into your videos and your tweets, and they find out you're a Trump supporter, the show's not going to sell.

01:16:22.000 Right.

01:16:22.000 Well, I mean, it shouldn't surprise them if you're out there in Staten Island, you know, necessarily being a Trump supporter.

01:16:28.000 Yeah.

01:16:29.000 That is, it is, I mean, listen, it'd be one thing if you were somebody who just sort of, you know, hosted a Young Turks show or a basic daily makeup show.

01:16:37.000 You drank your own urine on camera a while ago.

01:16:40.000 I mean, you're known for outlandish stunts.

01:16:44.000 Yeah.

01:16:44.000 Let me put that into context, because a lot of people think that I have a weird fetish of drinking my own urine.

01:16:50.000 It's actually very common with a lot of Brazilians or people who believe it's cleansing.

01:16:55.000 People do actually do that, but I'm just saying, compared to, hey, vote for Trump versus, alright, let's go with the morning dew here as my supercharged smoothie, it seems like that would be a little bit more controversial.

01:17:09.000 Well, the reason why I did that was because I was filming a Jackass-style movie with my other YouTube friends. 0.88

01:17:14.000 So we've done dumb stuff. 0.74

01:17:17.000 Like, for example, one of them is we went in a bullring. 0.77

01:17:20.000 I broke my wrist, got hit by the bull.

01:17:22.000 All of us, we pepper-sprayed ourselves before going in the bullring.

01:17:26.000 Um...

01:17:27.000 We vomit on each other.

01:17:29.000 My friend, actually, one of the scenes was he dressed up as a giant bird and he chugged a gallon of milk with blue food coloring in it.

01:17:38.000 And him and my other friend both dressed up as birds.

01:17:41.000 They went out in West Hollywood and he starts vomiting in my other friend's mouth.

01:17:46.000 I like the birds.

01:17:49.000 Do you ever think that maybe you shouldn't endorse Trump because it could hurt him at this point?

01:17:54.000 No.

01:17:54.000 They just bring out your video.

01:17:56.000 This man's endorsing Trump, sir. 0.98

01:17:57.000 Was that not you drinking your own urine? 0.95

01:17:59.000 Yeah, vote Trump. 0.76

01:18:02.000 Has that thought ever crossed your mind?

01:18:04.000 Make a very good point.

01:18:06.000 But I'm trying to transition a little bit.

01:18:09.000 Slightly. 0.99

01:18:10.000 Because I love doing the dumb stuff. 0.93

01:18:11.000 It's so fun, but I love politics as well. 0.96

01:18:14.000 I watch you all the time, Galvin, Ben Shapiro...

01:18:19.000 Well, that's interesting, though, because I think people will hear you, they'll hear your accent, and they think you're a bro.

01:18:25.000 Obviously, that's kind of what people assume.

01:18:27.000 You're a Trump supporter, but you say you still listen to people like Shapiro, and I mean, I'm kind of right in the middle there on Trump.

01:18:33.000 I understand both sides.

01:18:34.000 Ben is completely anti-Trump.

01:18:35.000 So you're a Trump supporter, but it doesn't seem like you're one of these people who's entirely polarized.

01:18:40.000 You're listening to a lot of different points of view.

01:18:42.000 Yeah, I mean, you guys, your anti-Trump remarks, you make some very valid points.

01:18:48.000 But at the end of the day, I look at it as it's also Hillary or Trump, really.

01:18:52.000 If you're not voting for Trump, it's kind of like, you know, you're almost voting for Hillary.

01:18:57.000 We've made some pretty pro-Trump comments as well, and that's a rarity, where it's like, you know...

01:19:01.000 We've certainly defended him with these violent riots being attributed to him.

01:19:05.000 I don't think he's a racist at all.

01:19:07.000 I just have issues with him switching back and forth.

01:19:09.000 I wish I knew exactly what I were getting.

01:19:11.000 And I think you have people who are really far into the never-Trump, which we've never been, and then they can't communicate to anyone who's pro-Trump.

01:19:18.000 And then you have the pro-Trump people who just absolutely try to destroy the lives of anyone who's not pro-Trump.

01:19:24.000 And we're some of the few people who I'm glad to hear you're listening because I understand it, man.

01:19:28.000 I understand your point of view, but I also understand the point of view of someone who's like, I don't know that I can pull the lever.

01:19:34.000 But on YouTube, oh my gosh, that's like catnip for comments.

01:19:37.000 You ever talk about Trump and what's the reaction?

01:19:41.000 You know, I did one of them. 0.97

01:19:44.000 I went to the Trump rally, and all the protesters, they stand outside protesting, don't vote for Trump, Trump's a racist, whatever.

01:19:53.000 I went there, and I pretended to be one of the anti-Trumpers. 0.50

01:19:57.000 I went with an American flag, And I was talking to them, like, to the side.

01:20:02.000 Hey, man, you want to stomp on this flag with me as, you know, to make a statement?

01:20:06.000 And all the anti-Trumpers were, like, talking.

01:20:09.000 They were like, oh, maybe we should do this.

01:20:11.000 Whatever.

01:20:11.000 They're getting together.

01:20:12.000 And they're about to stomp on the American flag.

01:20:15.000 Like, they were ready.

01:20:16.000 They had a group going, ready to stomp on the flag.

01:20:19.000 So right before we started, a fan walking by goes, hey, Joey Stowers, what's up?

01:20:24.000 And then the kid that was about to stomp on the flag looks at me and is like...

01:20:28.000 What are you trying to do?

01:20:29.000 Are you filming a video or something?

01:20:31.000 And then he looks at me and he's like, you're trying to set us up!

01:20:34.000 He started freaking out, cursing at me, and next thing you know, he's got the Trumpers and the anti-Trumpers all teaming up on me because he kept on saying I was going to stomp on the flag.

01:20:46.000 So, I mean, I kind of, like, united the people.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, you kind of united them where they wanted to stomp you.

01:20:50.000 I've had that.

01:20:51.000 We've run into that a couple times, Nakajaris, specifically this last, this big gun video where people came up and were like, oh, I love what you do.

01:20:58.000 I'm like, no, no, leave.

01:21:00.000 Get out of here.

01:21:02.000 And then they blow your cover.

01:21:04.000 I mean, God bless them.

01:21:05.000 They're trying to do their best.

01:21:06.000 Did you release that?

01:21:08.000 Yeah, that video's out.

01:21:11.000 The anti-Trumpers also robbed stuff out of my backpack that was on my cameraman's back, and they robbed the flag.

01:21:19.000 Well, they robbed it because they want equality, Joey.

01:21:22.000 You need to learn it's okay when they do it.

01:21:24.000 I mean, that's a good example right there.

01:21:24.000 Of course.

01:21:26.000 I would always defend not only someone like you, but Trump himself when they had the riots there in Chicago.

01:21:33.000 Of course, it is completely inexcusable from the left, that kind of behavior.

01:21:36.000 And I absolutely do think that more people voting for Donald Trump do love America compared to people...

01:21:41.000 I mean, you'd be hard-pressed to find pro-Trump people to stomp on the flag.

01:21:46.000 I don't think you'd be able to get them to do it.

01:21:48.000 Or any Republican convention, even Cruz people, of course.

01:21:50.000 Yeah.

01:21:51.000 Yeah, and then when I was doing that, Milo's, I think it's his manager, Milo's manager was there.

01:21:58.000 He goes by Baked Alaska on Twitter, and he was right there when it was happening.

01:22:03.000 He was recording it with his phone, and he tweeted out, Joey Sal is exposed, anti-American, because he didn't know the context of why I was doing it.

01:22:12.000 Yeah, and people were going off on Twitter, cursing me out, saying that I hated America, all this, all that.

01:22:19.000 Did you clear it up afterward?

01:22:22.000 Yeah, I messaged him.

01:22:23.000 I'm like, hey, the video comes out on Monday.

01:22:25.000 I go, when you see it, you're going to like it.

01:22:27.000 It's kind of almost like a pro-Trump video because it's the anti-Trump people.

01:22:32.000 And he's like, all right, we'll see, we'll see.

01:22:34.000 And then when the video came out, he was like, oh man, this is great.

01:22:37.000 He's like, I'm so sorry.

01:22:38.000 And he tweeted out apologizing.

01:22:40.000 Yeah, we've had that a couple of times.

01:22:42.000 Who's it we had with?

01:22:43.000 We had something like that where someone was like, oh gosh, who was it?

01:22:48.000 Oh, it was when we did the Ann Arbor video.

01:22:50.000 Remember we did the Ann Arbor video?

01:22:51.000 And this guy, the one guy who was relatively conservative, who was like...

01:22:56.000 Most surprising of all of them.

01:22:57.000 Yeah, the most surprising of all of them, where he was like, no, I don't...

01:23:00.000 U of M, we did this video where U of M students wanted to ban certain terms.

01:23:03.000 And it was like the term retarded, obviously.

01:23:05.000 And then it went down the list like fat crazy was a term. 0.69

01:23:08.000 And he said...

01:23:09.000 I don't think that's at all comparable to the N-word or racial slurs because of their terms.

01:23:13.000 And he's like, and I don't think those should be banned either.

01:23:14.000 He was totally reasonable.

01:23:16.000 And when someone is reasonable, when someone is rational, we always portray them that way.

01:23:20.000 We don't have fake people.

01:23:21.000 All of our reactions are genuine, and we don't take them out of context.

01:23:25.000 So he actually was in the video, and he came off well, but he was still mad.

01:23:29.000 And he went through YouTube and was like, oh, I didn't give permission to this.

01:23:33.000 So you never know.

01:23:34.000 Sometimes people just get cold feet.

01:23:37.000 Oh yeah, a lot of times the people that I do these experiments or pranks on, they always try to get their videos removed.

01:23:44.000 Well usually they can.

01:23:47.000 Yeah, but luckily, because my channel's big, one example, the kid that was going to stomp on the American flag, his mom sent a letter to YouTube saying, that's my son in this shirt, and we want the video removed, and YouTube gave me a notice, in five days the video will be removed, unless you remove it.

01:24:07.000 So I hit up my management company, and what they do is they go to YouTube, and they allow me to update the video to put a blur on his face.

01:24:15.000 Right, that's what they did with us, too.

01:24:16.000 I think that was someone at the Feminist Festival, right?

01:24:18.000 Not Gay, Jared? 0.99

01:24:19.000 I think that one, yeah, the Feminist Festival you had to do that for? 1.00

01:24:22.000 Which the truth is, it took place at a public event.

01:24:24.000 Which I think we still capture it in the link image.

01:24:25.000 In the link image.

01:24:26.000 Yeah, the thumbnail.

01:24:26.000 The thumbnail.

01:24:27.000 The truth is, you're allowed to.

01:24:28.000 People need to understand this.

01:24:29.000 You're allowed to, but then YouTube has its own different set of rules.

01:24:32.000 So there's the Constitution, there's the First Amendment, and there's reasonable expectation of privacy in a public area.

01:24:38.000 You're allowed to record, but then YouTube kowtows to them because they go after sponsors.

01:24:42.000 All right, hold on.

01:24:42.000 Joey Salads, we will...

01:24:44.000 JoeySalads, youtube.com slash JoeySalads.

01:24:47.000 Listen...

01:24:48.000 You're in for a bumpy ride if you go over there.

01:24:50.000 I'm not going to lie to you, but it is worth it.

01:24:53.000 And hold on, I'll talk to Joey more after this.

01:24:55.000 Slider with Crowder, if you tune out, you're sexist.

01:24:58.000 And now for installment 42 of Clarence McCaskill.

01:25:14.000 Worst negotiator ever.

01:25:19.000 You're only making this more painful on yourself. 0.89

01:25:23.000 Final warning, bro!

01:25:24.000 Seriously, please, just do what he says.

01:25:27.000 I think he'll let us go.

01:25:29.000 Now, sweetheart, I understand where you're coming from, but, uh...

01:25:34.000 This is not my first hostage negotiation.

01:25:38.000 I'm betting this is yours.

01:25:40.000 Yeah, I just want to get out of here alive.

01:25:42.000 You're not, I say!

01:25:44.000 Yeah, yeah, I heard it.

01:25:45.000 And, sweetheart, I'm sorry, but...

01:25:49.000 That's probably not in the cards.

01:25:52.000 What?

01:25:52.000 I know, it's kind of harsh.

01:25:54.000 I know I'm supposed to give you hope and crap, but little known facts about negotiating, particularly with hostages, you have to give one...

01:26:05.000 To win one. 0.91

01:26:06.000 That's like the worst phrase ever.

01:26:09.000 Seriously, that's cold, bro.

01:26:10.000 I don't know what you want from me.

01:26:12.000 We all know how this ends.

01:26:14.000 Don't you watch the movies?

01:26:16.000 You want me to do this dance? 1.00

01:26:17.000 Oh, I'll kill her. 1.00

01:26:21.000 I don't care. 1.00

01:26:23.000 As long as you end up dead. 1.00

01:26:28.000 What are you doing now, bro? 1.00

01:26:30.000 I can't negotiate on an empty stomach.

01:26:36.000 Man, quit fooling around!

01:26:38.000 Her life's in your hands! 1.00

01:26:39.000 Seriously, please.

01:26:40.000 Let's just get this over with.

01:26:42.000 You know, that's a good idea, Pumpkin.

01:26:45.000 If I were you, I'd get this over with as quickly as possible, too.

01:26:49.000 What?

01:26:50.000 I'm just saying, if you can get a loaded gun, you can't save everybody over there, but...

01:26:56.000 You might want to consider offing yourself.

01:27:00.000 Wait, what are you talking about?

01:27:02.000 I've been looking over Paco here as criminal file, and before he kills you, he's probably going to do some weird stuff with you.

01:27:11.000 There's nothing I can do about that.

01:27:13.000 Oh my god, is that true?

01:27:18.000 No habla ingles.

01:27:20.000 Oh, Clarence.

01:27:22.000 Stay tuned for the next installment of Clarence McCaskill, Worst Negotiator Ever.

01:27:27.000 When it's not a party, we will party hard.

01:27:31.000 Glad to be back.

01:27:58.000 That was Joey Salads.

01:27:59.000 You can follow him at Joey Salads.

01:28:02.000 Let me answer something.

01:28:04.000 We're going to review Sausage Party here for you in a second.

01:28:06.000 People for the last few weeks have gotten so mad about guests, they go, well, why would you have Gavin McGinnis?

01:28:12.000 Some people.

01:28:12.000 Why would you have Ben Shapiro?

01:28:14.000 Some other people.

01:28:14.000 Why would you have Glenn Beck?

01:28:16.000 Some other people.

01:28:16.000 And then this week, why would you have Joey Salads?

01:28:18.000 It doesn't mean we're endorsing them for president. 0.98

01:28:21.000 Imam Chowdhury, who's now been convicted, who's going away, I think forever, It was on the show and basically said like, yeah, you should die. 0.96

01:28:29.000 Told me that I deserve to die on air. 0.96

01:28:30.000 Pretty much. 0.99

01:28:31.000 He was very polite about it.

01:28:32.000 He was extremely polite about it.

01:28:34.000 You gotta respect that.

01:28:35.000 The people who are offended, they shouldn't be listening to this.

01:28:37.000 You really shouldn't.

01:28:38.000 People are like, why would you turn up?

01:28:39.000 We don't want you listening to this show if you get offended because we have a differing point of view.

01:28:45.000 Seriously.

01:28:46.000 I would prefer if you didn't watch or listen and complain.

01:28:51.000 That's it.

01:28:51.000 I don't care.

01:28:52.000 I don't agree with Glenn Beck on everything.

01:28:55.000 There's a lot that I disagree with him on vehemently.

01:28:57.000 Same thing with Dinesh D'Azouza.

01:28:58.000 Maybe we should just start issuing trigger warnings to be on the safe side.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:02.000 Conservative social justice warriors.

01:29:05.000 They get so triggered.

01:29:07.000 It's like, you know, listen.

01:29:09.000 For example, we had Gavin McGinnis and Ben on the same show exact same amount of time.

01:29:13.000 Pro-Trump?

01:29:13.000 Anti-Trump?

01:29:14.000 People go, why would you have anti-Trump on? 1.00

01:29:16.000 Just shut up. 1.00

01:29:17.000 Really. 0.99

01:29:18.000 It's one of those things.

01:29:19.000 I don't care if you're left.

01:29:20.000 I don't care if you're right.

01:29:20.000 I don't care if you're Trump.

01:29:21.000 I don't care if you're never Trump.

01:29:22.000 Just don't lie to me and we can have a good discussion.

01:29:25.000 The good thing is when we look through our numbers, which we're very grateful for, though we're never going daily, hashtag never daily, so stop asking me on Twitter about it, at S. Crowder.

01:29:35.000 Obviously the numbers, if you have a few thousand people who get upset, that doesn't really mean anything.

01:29:39.000 But you still do get some people who are just furious, furious that you would have the balls, if I may, to have someone on who could disagree with you.

01:29:48.000 Bizarre.

01:29:48.000 Joey Salads we had on because he asked to come on the show.

01:29:50.000 Maybe I'm saying if you only had one stream of guests on.

01:29:54.000 But that couldn't be farther from the truth to this show.

01:29:57.000 I know.

01:29:58.000 I think we're going to have Sally Cohn on next week.

01:30:00.000 Sally Cohn on, hopefully.

01:30:01.000 Who else?

01:30:02.000 Hopefully Kurt Schilling.

01:30:03.000 Hopefully Kurt Schilling.

01:30:04.000 But we don't know yet.

01:30:04.000 We don't know yet.

01:30:05.000 So hopefully we'll get Sally Cohn on and we'll have that debate. 0.99

01:30:08.000 Why would you have her on your show? 1.00

01:30:10.000 Shut up, idiot. 1.00

01:30:12.000 These people. 1.00

01:30:13.000 These people are just ridiculous. 1.00

01:30:14.000 These people. 1.00

01:30:15.000 The good thing is I can talk this way because I know a vast majority of our audience approves and they're clapping.

01:30:19.000 The funny thing is they're clapping open conversation.

01:30:22.000 They're not clapping cheerleading.

01:30:24.000 They're clapping to get rid of the cheerleaders.

01:30:26.000 If you're a cheerleader, this is your show.

01:30:27.000 Tweet your claps.

01:30:28.000 We need some more claps in the tweets.

01:30:29.000 I love that our audience calls us on stuff when we're wrong.

01:30:32.000 I adore it.

01:30:33.000 Please do.

01:30:35.000 And we've issued corrections.

01:30:36.000 Many, many, many times.

01:30:37.000 Okay, speaking of which, people have said they wanted this.

01:30:40.000 We were supposed to start more film reviews, which would happen if we had a daily show, but that's not the case.

01:30:45.000 That's not the case.

01:30:45.000 Sausage Party.

01:30:46.000 Jared and I both saw it.

01:30:48.000 Oh, here's a funny story.

01:30:49.000 In the parking lot for Sausage Party.

01:30:51.000 Jared knows this.

01:30:51.000 I swear to God, this is true.

01:30:53.000 So I had knee surgery.

01:30:55.000 My knee hasn't recovered as I'd like it to.

01:30:57.000 So I have this roll-on stick, kind of like Icy Hot, but it's essential oils.

01:31:00.000 My wife uses it. 1.00

01:31:01.000 It does feel good.

01:31:03.000 It helps.

01:31:04.000 So I go, listen, before we go into the movie, if I'm going to be sitting in that chair, it really starts to get sore.

01:31:08.000 So I need to put this on.

01:31:09.000 But I can't roll my jeans above my knee.

01:31:12.000 I need to get it on my knee.

01:31:13.000 So I say, okay, we're going to park at the end of the parking lot.

01:31:15.000 Where it's dark.

01:31:15.000 It was a dark parking lot.

01:31:17.000 At the end of the parking lot, and you guys block for me, I'm going to pull down my pants just to my knee on my left side to rub this on, this numbing sort of oil liquid.

01:31:26.000 I don't know what they were doing because they had one job to do.

01:31:29.000 Make sure that I wasn't caught with my pants down.

01:31:32.000 End of the parking lot, very dark.

01:31:34.000 You couldn't take a picture with your phone.

01:31:36.000 No.

01:31:36.000 It wouldn't show up.

01:31:37.000 Hey! 0.99

01:31:39.000 Hey! 0.99

01:31:40.000 Can I get a picture?

01:31:42.000 And it's a fan who walks up in a parking lot with my pants down, rubbing on Deep Relief Essential oil on my knee.

01:31:51.000 And I zipped up my pants, I buttoned them, I gave Jared a dirty look, and I gave the man a picture.

01:31:56.000 Or possibly they'll see me right now.

01:31:57.000 Or possibly.

01:31:58.000 And then we walked away and we realized my brother had, he has quite the hairy chest, and he had his shirt, for whatever reason he was doing something.

01:32:04.000 Completely unbuttoned.

01:32:05.000 But he didn't, you know, until he walked away, so it just looked really...

01:32:08.000 It looked really bad.

01:32:09.000 So this was on the way into Sausage Party.

01:32:11.000 We saw Sausage Party.

01:32:14.000 My review is not that great.

01:32:16.000 Jared, first off, to...

01:32:18.000 It was funny.

01:32:19.000 They had funny parts.

01:32:20.000 Sure.

01:32:21.000 It had some pretty laugh.

01:32:22.000 But it's just...

01:32:22.000 That brand of comedy gets old after...

01:32:24.000 I don't think it...

01:32:25.000 I think they stretched it a little bit too far.

01:32:27.000 Like, it would have been a better, like, half-hour cartoon.

01:32:29.000 Yes, exactly.

01:32:30.000 It would have been a sketch that went on too long.

01:32:31.000 By the way, they used our Socialisms for Figs shirt.

01:32:33.000 They used that exact same gag, God hates Figs, in the food aisle.

01:32:37.000 We did it first.

01:32:38.000 No one stole it.

01:32:39.000 I'm just saying.

01:32:40.000 We're not going to stop selling that shirt once the merch store is open, but it'll never be open.

01:32:45.000 Everything that was funny about it...

01:32:45.000 Here's the thing.

01:32:47.000 I don't have a problem with dirty humor.

01:32:50.000 Obviously, I think Nick DiPaolo is one of the funniest people ever.

01:32:52.000 The thing is, Nick DiPaolo is just as funny on this show when he's working blue in a nightclub or when he's providing commentary on television.

01:32:59.000 He doesn't need it, but he does it because he likes it.

01:33:02.000 For me, I start to lose tolerance when you can only be funny if it's filthy, if it's shock humor.

01:33:10.000 Again, I have no problem.

01:33:10.000 Jim Norton, I think it's hilarious.

01:33:12.000 Bill Burr, Nick DiPaolo.

01:33:13.000 These are some of my favorite comics. 0.99

01:33:14.000 But Seth Rogen, my patience is wearing thin because everything is just, yeah, smoke pot and penis jokes and porno. 0.99

01:33:23.000 That's everything. 1.00

01:33:24.000 You've got to throw a couple of lesbians. 1.00

01:33:25.000 You've got to fool. 1.00

01:33:26.000 Lesbians, Christians are stupid, and I'm really Jewish and fat. 1.00

01:33:31.000 I just can't do it. 1.00

01:33:33.000 Everything funny about Sausage Party was done better by South Park.

01:33:36.000 Full disclaimer.

01:33:37.000 Hint.

01:33:37.000 Spoiler alert.

01:33:38.000 There's a big...

01:33:38.000 All these sausages and all these...

01:33:41.000 It's these animated food items.

01:33:43.000 You would never see it coming.

01:33:44.000 You'd never see it coming. 0.99

01:33:45.000 They all have a giant orgy. 0.99

01:33:47.000 Well, listen. 0.99

01:33:48.000 Team America did it first.

01:33:49.000 The South Park guys with Team America, Trey and Matt, they did a few other things, too.

01:33:54.000 I was watching going like, gosh, that's remarkably similar to South Park.

01:33:57.000 So I wouldn't recommend it.

01:33:59.000 I certainly wouldn't recommend it if you're easily offended or certainly wouldn't recommend taking the kids to it.

01:34:03.000 But it gets a little too long.

01:34:05.000 You're like, alright, I get it. 1.00

01:34:07.000 The sausage is a penis. 1.00

01:34:08.000 Okay, Seth Rogen's going to do his immature man-boy shtick and we're going to get bombarded with the leftist agenda here. 1.00

01:34:17.000 Okay, Christians are stupid. 1.00

01:34:18.000 Alright, all gay stuff. 1.00

01:34:19.000 Okay, we get it. 1.00

01:34:20.000 And then a big orgy. 0.96

01:34:22.000 And that's about it. 0.96

01:34:24.000 So, I don't know.

01:34:25.000 I really did think Seth Rogen was funny.

01:34:27.000 And I just...

01:34:28.000 I don't know if I've just...

01:34:29.000 I've gotten tired of it.

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:30.000 I've gotten tired of the shtick.

01:34:32.000 And there are some people where that's the case.

01:34:34.000 And there are some people who are just as funny today as they always were.

01:34:38.000 I'd put Nick in there.

01:34:39.000 I'd put Bill Burr in there.

01:34:40.000 I'd put Louis C.K. in there, even though I disagree with him.

01:34:42.000 I'd put Kathleen Madigan in there. 0.91

01:34:43.000 Seth Rogen just needs to prove that he can do some...

01:34:45.000 It's kind of like Quentin Tarantino.

01:34:47.000 At a certain point, you've got to prove that you can do something else.

01:34:50.000 So, sausage party.

01:34:51.000 I don't know.

01:34:52.000 Are we doing a star rating system?

01:34:54.000 I would give it a three if you're judging it purely on just entertainment.

01:34:59.000 Is it a five-star system?

01:35:00.000 A five-star.

01:35:01.000 Well, a lot of film reviews are four-star.

01:35:02.000 You don't even know.

01:35:03.000 We consolidate the star system at least.

01:35:07.000 Still kind of messed up.

01:35:07.000 I don't know.

01:35:08.000 I don't give it a good rating.

01:35:10.000 And I got caught with my pants down in the parking lot.

01:35:12.000 We'll be back with Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. Super Mexican. 0.94

01:35:12.000 Bad memories. 0.94

01:35:21.000 And now, Roger Ailes advises Donald Trump.

01:35:26.000 Music Music . .

01:35:31.000 Okay, listen, we're down to the polls.

01:35:33.000 Those can change in a moment.

01:35:34.000 Notice we found, okay, I'm doing poorly with women, which is bizarre because women love me. 0.99

01:35:40.000 But the one thing we've had at our convention, women really responded positively to Ivanka. 0.98

01:35:46.000 Ivanka, come out of here. 1.00

01:35:48.000 Yes, Ivanka resonated positively with young women.

01:35:52.000 That's right, Roger.

01:35:53.000 Okay, so we need to find the best way, okay, to use Ivanka in the campaign.

01:35:58.000 Ivanka, how do you see yourself being instrumental to the campaign?

01:36:04.000 Well, I was thinking that as a strong, independent...

01:36:07.000 Oh, Ron!

01:36:09.000 Pumps! 0.99

01:36:10.000 I like it when a woman wears a good pair of pumps. 1.00

01:36:12.000 Yeah, I'm surprised you know that.

01:36:14.000 I think that with my pedigree...

01:36:16.000 Take that dress, sir! 0.89

01:36:17.000 Over the shoulder a little more.

01:36:19.000 I don't like what's happening.

01:36:20.000 What?

01:36:20.000 Let the dress fall off your shoulder.

01:36:23.000 Shoulder.

01:36:25.000 Okay, this is bad.

01:36:26.000 I don't want to slide the dress off my shoulder.

01:36:30.000 Oh! 0.60

01:36:31.000 That's no fun.

01:36:32.000 No fun!

01:36:34.000 We won't vote for someone who's not smart.

01:36:36.000 Okay, I don't really think I, uh...

01:36:38.000 Listen to your bra. 0.99

01:36:39.000 Okay, this is just...

01:36:40.000 Sweet God, man, okay?

01:36:41.000 For like five minutes, control it, Roger.

01:36:43.000 Stay tuned for more.

01:36:44.000 That music faded out way too quickly.

01:37:10.000 Did you fade it out?

01:37:11.000 I did.

01:37:12.000 There we go.

01:37:13.000 I'm feeling it.

01:37:14.000 Now it's going out.

01:37:15.000 Now it's gone.

01:37:16.000 All right, well, we have to bring in some more music anyway because we have our next guest.

01:37:18.000 You know him.

01:37:19.000 You can read his stuff at therightscoop.com.

01:37:21.000 You know him on the Twitter as at super, S-O-O-P-E-R, Mexican. 1.00

01:37:26.000 Hit his intro, not gay, Jared. 1.00

01:37:28.000 I am singing at the party. 0.88

01:37:32.000 We're all singing.

01:37:34.000 We're all singing.

01:37:35.000 I am singing.

01:37:36.000 It's my turn to sing at the party.

01:37:40.000 I just realized this intro is formidably racist.

01:37:43.000 At SuperMexican, thank you for being with us, sir.

01:37:46.000 Hello, how are you doing?

01:37:47.000 No, no, we know that's not how you sound.

01:37:49.000 Oh, we're not going to do that?

01:37:51.000 No, we can't because then we're going to get letters from people who actually sound that way and they're going to be offended.

01:37:59.000 My cousins.

01:38:00.000 Yes, yes, your cousins.

01:38:02.000 What percentage are you Mexican, by the way?

01:38:05.000 I will tell them, stop writing letters to Stephen Crowder.

01:38:09.000 He doesn't like it.

01:38:10.000 He does not like it.

01:38:11.000 He's not a fan.

01:38:12.000 He just doesn't like it.

01:38:14.000 Hey, I wanted to ask you this, because we're going to get into election stuff.

01:38:17.000 So you have that Mexican in you. 1.00

01:38:20.000 Sorry for the phrasing.

01:38:22.000 One thing, I know you're not a big fan of Trump, but one thing I said, I don't think, if an immigration policy only affects illegal immigrants negatively...

01:38:29.000 I don't think it's racist.

01:38:30.000 Would we probably agree that one of our qualms with Donald Trump, probably not the fact that he has a problem with illegals?

01:38:37.000 Oh yeah, I don't care.

01:38:38.000 Yeah, no, I'm, you know, I was a cruise guy.

01:38:41.000 And Cruz is actually to the right of Trump on illegal immigration.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:49.000 I get this criticism all the time, and it's absurd.

01:38:52.000 You know, they see my name, and they're like, oh, you're open borders.

01:38:55.000 Like, no, I'm not.

01:38:56.000 I don't want to shut down the border yesterday.

01:38:58.000 Like, I'm...

01:39:00.000 Absolutely, 100%, you know, pro shutting down illegal immigration, deporting people, all of that. 1.00

01:39:06.000 I just don't think this moron is going to do it. 1.00

01:39:09.000 All right. 1.00

01:39:10.000 Well, in case you didn't know where he lines up.

01:39:12.000 So you've been covering it this week a lot.

01:39:15.000 Obviously, give the audience, for those who don't know, just a quick rundown.

01:39:18.000 Trump's shaken up his campaign.

01:39:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:23.000 It was a big shock, I'll tell you.

01:39:26.000 And probably one of the most poorly designed, you know, recognitions of changing your campaign.

01:39:35.000 It was crazy.

01:39:36.000 So it was just...

01:39:37.000 Right in the evening, like on...

01:39:40.000 At midnight, I think, they announced that they were going to change the leadership of the campaign.

01:39:47.000 They were going to bring on Steve Bannon, who is the head of Breitbart News, which just blows my mind.

01:39:54.000 What other campaign has done this?

01:39:56.000 Had the head of a news blog basically become...

01:40:03.000 The hard of your campaign, it's just insane.

01:40:06.000 Well, they've had just those cozy relationships, to be fair, in the left with people at ABC and NBC. It's all the incestuous media political relationships.

01:40:13.000 Yeah, the difference is you don't have to pay them on that side.

01:40:15.000 Yeah, they just do it for free.

01:40:17.000 So I do understand.

01:40:18.000 I mean, people are saying, oh, they're fighting fire with fire at this point.

01:40:21.000 If the left does it, he should too.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, but it's not like anyone ever, you know, accepted Breitbart as being a competent, you know, rational news outlet.

01:40:34.000 I mean, anybody who doesn't love Breitbart, they know that they're biased.

01:40:38.000 It's not, you know, it's not even a question there.

01:40:42.000 But yeah, no, I see what you're saying.

01:40:44.000 Well, to be fair, though, I mean, when Andrew was alive, I mean, and I wrote there quite a bit.

01:40:49.000 So I think at one point...

01:40:50.000 I was one of the first writers there.

01:40:52.000 I was back in this big Hollywood for Andrew.

01:40:54.000 I had a weekly column.

01:40:56.000 But I worked directly with Andrew and Ben and some of the people who are there now.

01:41:00.000 Not many people are left, but I understand where you're coming.

01:41:03.000 I have to be fair here because obviously you're in a different kind of site and people go, well, he's just biased.

01:41:08.000 But you're right.

01:41:09.000 It is unprecedented to make this kind of a pivot, but more importantly, along with Roger Ailes.

01:41:14.000 So, because I know you caught a lot of flack, right, at your site, and a lot of us did too, where they're going, Fox News is just anti-Trump because of Megyn Kelly. 0.64

01:41:22.000 And I said for a long time, listen, I know people, half of them are golf buddies with Donald Trump.

01:41:27.000 Just because Megyn Kelly doesn't like him doesn't mean Fox News is anti-Trump.

01:41:31.000 Do you feel that there's some sort of vindication there, objectively, that, okay, we kind of knew that Fox was favoring Trump with the Ailes situation?

01:41:39.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:41:40.000 You know, that's the kind of thing where people don't understand that, you know, you have your sources and you talk to people that you can't really acknowledge.

01:41:49.000 You know, like I know people, I talk to them and they tell me what's going on, but I can't see that when I write these things up.

01:41:55.000 In that respect, I thought it was pretty obvious.

01:41:58.000 I thought it was really clear.

01:41:59.000 I think the more interesting thing now is to look back now that he's on the campaign and ask yourself, Yeah, actually got a lot of ratings boost because of it.

01:42:26.000 So it's really kind of fascinating to look back.

01:42:30.000 And he's making us so even more attention deficit disorder than we were before that we only think about what's going on in the last half hour.

01:42:41.000 But when you look back, it makes it even more fascinating to wonder how this was all planned out.

01:42:47.000 Well, I don't think there's a lot of collusion at Fox with all of the anchors.

01:42:49.000 I mean, that's why you see a pretty wide spectrum of people who are pro-Trump against Trump.

01:42:53.000 I was never told what to say when I was at Fox News, but I've said this.

01:42:57.000 The things I really wanted to say sometimes were like, let's stay away from that.

01:43:00.000 Right.

01:43:02.000 And there certainly was, you know, when the Romney campaign happened, it was certainly known everyone thought he was the only one who had a chance.

01:43:08.000 Now, I didn't hate Romney.

01:43:10.000 I never hated Romney.

01:43:12.000 You know, when it came down to Romney or Santorum, I was like, well, okay, probably Santorum because I thought he had a better chance in the Rust Belt than Romney.

01:43:20.000 Doesn't mean I agree with him on a whole lot more than Romney.

01:43:23.000 But I remember they made it really clear.

01:43:25.000 It was known like, okay, Fox News, this is the Romney house at this point.

01:43:28.000 They never said you can't.

01:43:29.000 Speak out against him, but it was known.

01:43:32.000 There was that kind of cloud.

01:43:33.000 And so I would imagine that was the same case with Trump.

01:43:36.000 I mean, who else is going to be buddies with Fox News?

01:43:38.000 Ted Cruz?

01:43:39.000 No.

01:43:41.000 Of course.

01:43:42.000 I think you're going to have individual people who are fans, but yeah, as an actual relationship with the head honchos there, of course, it's Donald Trump.

01:43:53.000 And I think what we're finding out is that he's had these relationships and he's been forming these for such a long time.

01:44:00.000 And so that's why, you know, when you look at what happens, it feels like somebody's pulling the carpet from under you because you're like, wow, like, wow, how are these people all terribly friendly with this guy all of a sudden?

01:44:11.000 Like, for instance, Judge Jeanine, right, who who is like one million percent Trump, it turns out that he gave her twenty thousand dollars for a campaign a long time ago.

01:44:23.000 And, you know, we don't want to say that she was bought off, but certainly that makes you friendly to somebody, right?

01:44:28.000 Right.

01:44:29.000 Well, it's not even so much $20,000 as it's the relationship that represents.

01:44:33.000 You don't really do that with someone that you don't know.

01:44:36.000 Exactly.

01:44:36.000 Kind of like we just talked with Dinesh.

01:44:37.000 He did that.

01:44:38.000 With someone who was a friend, they didn't even really know he did it.

01:44:41.000 He did it because he wanted her to win.

01:44:44.000 And they railroaded him for it, and he's the only person in history to have had that happen.

01:44:47.000 He didn't do it because he knew it was a ton of cash.

01:44:50.000 He did it because it was a friend.

01:44:52.000 Okay, so the reason I want to have you on, too, and we don't have a ton of time, you track polls a lot.

01:44:56.000 You're good with this.

01:44:58.000 Do you think this is going to work for Donald Trump, regardless of where you line up or I line up?

01:45:02.000 Do you think, from a strategy standpoint, this could pay dividends for Trump to shake it up and go with these people?

01:45:09.000 You know what's really odd about this is that what he did is very schizophrenic, right?

01:45:15.000 So it depends on whether he listens more to Kellyanne Conway, the pollster, who is the campaign manager, or if he listens to Steve Bannon.

01:45:24.000 Because Bannon is very much a bomb thrower, and Kellyanne is not. 1.00

01:45:29.000 She's a little more straight line, you know.

01:45:33.000 So I think what we saw tonight with the speech that he gave is that he's doing what he should be doing, which is staying on course, but being crazy Trump about it.

01:45:45.000 So, you know, he was attacking Hillary Clinton.

01:45:48.000 He was staying on about illegal immigration.

01:45:50.000 He was being right on target.

01:45:53.000 He was being as bombastic and crazy as he usually is, but he was picking the right targets, not a gold medal or a gold star family.

01:46:02.000 Right. 0.52

01:46:02.000 Well, I don't have a problem with that. 0.52

01:46:04.000 I just said I wish he was doing that all along.

01:46:05.000 I wish as soon as the primary was done, no more Ted Cruz, any of those people, only Hillary. 0.88

01:46:11.000 And I was saying if you compared the tweets, Hillary has been much more vicious to Trump than the other way around, and I found that curious.

01:46:17.000 Sure.

01:46:18.000 Well, that's what I'm saying is that...

01:46:20.000 If he keeps doing what he did tonight, I think he's going to have a chance.

01:46:25.000 But wow, does he have an uphill battle?

01:46:28.000 I mean, he is so down in the polls.

01:46:30.000 I am shocked that the RNC hasn't kicked him out already.

01:46:34.000 It is just a bloodbath right now. 0.55

01:46:36.000 And all the people coming out and pitching that skewed poll nonsense, it's absurd. 0.99

01:46:42.000 I mean, it's just ridiculous. 0.88

01:46:44.000 They did it with Romney, too.

01:46:45.000 And there were a lot of people who thought Romney was going to win, including Dana Perino who talked about it because it was the polls are rigged.

01:46:51.000 And I remember back then going, I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by lying here.

01:46:56.000 Yeah, but that was close.

01:46:57.000 I mean, you know, it was within a couple of points.

01:46:59.000 Here you're talking about 10 points, and you're talking about, you know, a bunch of different polls all over the country.

01:47:06.000 It's absolutely absurd, but that's the kind of fantasy that they're pitching over at Breitbart.com now.

01:47:12.000 You know, like you said, back then it was a little different.

01:47:14.000 I think they were a little more respected and a little more, you know, reasonable.

01:47:19.000 So yeah, I think if he stays on course, he's got a chance, but it's still a real uphill battle.

01:47:23.000 It is an uphill battle.

01:47:24.000 I mean, every swing state, I think, except for Florida, no one has ever been this far behind and come back to win the ones that I've seen.

01:47:31.000 And the scary one, the scary one is North Carolina.

01:47:34.000 That's a scary one, because he's down by a lot, last poll I checked, and Democrats have only gotten that, what, two times in the last 26 years?

01:47:41.000 It's been very few.

01:47:43.000 Is that right?

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 It's something really outlandish, and he was down by a lot.

01:47:46.000 Certainly, it wasn't even as close as Florida, by which he's up.

01:47:50.000 Super, we have to go, but thank you for the analysis.

01:47:52.000 Where's the best place to be able to find you, brother?

01:47:54.000 And you can find me at SuperMexican.com and also at TheRightScoop and on Twitter.

01:48:00.000 That was such a half-hearted Mexican. 1.00

01:48:02.000 It was.

01:48:03.000 You can find me, alright.

01:48:04.000 I'm not going to keep going with this.

01:48:07.000 You're rushing me out the door, man.

01:48:08.000 I don't know what's going on over here.

01:48:09.000 Well, because we didn't know.

01:48:10.000 We didn't have this.

01:48:11.000 So we have Chad with AIDS coming up because he got a very nice letter from someone who was inspired by him and we wanted to give him the floor.

01:48:18.000 And he has AIDS. And he has the AIDS. So, at SuperMexican... 0.96

01:48:24.000 We'll have you back.

01:48:25.000 Get your set up there, good sir, at Super Mexican.

01:48:28.000 And thank you very much.

01:48:30.000 Well, after this, we're going to take a break.

01:48:33.000 I'll talk about Larry Wilmore and cries of racism!

01:48:37.000 Did I do that right?

01:48:39.000 Do I have a job?

01:48:39.000 Nailed it.

01:48:40.000 For breaking news on Louder with Crowder, I'm Perry Matheson.

01:49:06.000 It was announced this week that Larry Wilmore and his nightly program on Comedy Central has been cancelled due to low ratings.

01:49:15.000 We take you now to exclusive footage to his farewell finale.

01:49:23.000 Um...

01:49:24.000 Racism!

01:49:26.000 Ha! 0.89

01:49:31.000 Because racism!

01:49:35.000 I know!

01:49:41.000 Racism! 0.98

01:49:45.000 That man is a cut-up. 0.96

01:49:48.000 We'll keep you abreast as this story unfolds.

01:49:51.000 I'm Perry Moussa.

01:49:53.000 I'm Perry Moussa.

01:50:23.000 Glad to be back.

01:50:27.000 That was, by the way, that was The Fox.

01:50:30.000 That was The Fox.

01:50:31.000 People are going, what is this?

01:50:32.000 That was from Hot City, H-O-T-T City. 0.94

01:50:36.000 My mother-in-law had a band. 0.99

01:50:38.000 Yep.

01:50:39.000 And it was a contractual obligation with, I think, I don't know if it was Columbia, to do a disco.

01:50:46.000 She did a bunch of B.A. things back in the day.

01:50:49.000 She's done a lot of stuff.

01:50:51.000 Well, you would be surprised as to who she toured with Joni Mitchell, with Aretha Franklin.

01:50:57.000 She was on with The Grateful Dead, but she was...

01:50:59.000 Huge, huge names and recorded with all the biggest recording people, Motown, you know, there are in Detroit.

01:51:05.000 And, man, the stories...

01:51:06.000 It's so funny because I met her a handful of times and I just can't picture her because she's so just like...

01:51:11.000 Just kind of, you know, nice and sweet.

01:51:14.000 It's hard to imagine a bold rock star.

01:51:15.000 She's a walking Disney character. 1.00

01:51:17.000 I know.

01:51:18.000 Wouldn't she be like, oh, do you want some coffee?

01:51:20.000 Night after night, we'll just dance.

01:51:24.000 Except way better.

01:51:25.000 You're like, oh my gosh, you have some pipes.

01:51:27.000 I know.

01:51:27.000 I can't picture coming out of it.

01:51:28.000 And she can really do some soul stuff. 1.00

01:51:30.000 So anyways, that's what we got that on there.

01:51:32.000 If you approve, you can tweet us at SCrowder.

01:51:34.000 It's bizarre.

01:51:35.000 I know people are thinking like, well, that was a weird change of pace.

01:51:37.000 I'm all about it.

01:51:38.000 For a bump.

01:51:38.000 So, Larry Wilmore's show got canceled at Comedy Central.

01:51:43.000 Hopefully, that'll happen with Trevor Noah soon.

01:51:45.000 Of course, it's happened because ratings were cut in half.

01:51:50.000 That tends to be a bad thing?

01:51:51.000 Right.

01:51:52.000 Generally speaking.

01:51:53.000 It's a general rule.

01:51:54.000 About half.

01:51:55.000 And, well, take a guess.

01:51:57.000 Why do you think Larry Wilmore thinks that he was fired?

01:52:01.000 Good thing we have a clip. 0.88

01:52:02.000 Good thing.

01:52:02.000 Let's roll it.

01:52:03.000 Although on the plus side, I must say, our show going off the air has to only mean one thing.

01:52:09.000 Racism is solved.

01:52:11.000 We did it.

01:52:13.000 We did it.

01:52:14.000 In fact...

01:52:18.000 So, here's the deal.

01:52:19.000 Is he just joking?

01:52:21.000 Possibly.

01:52:22.000 Right?

01:52:23.000 Possibly he's just joking.

01:52:24.000 I have something else I wanted to bring up here, but I don't have it up on my screen.

01:52:26.000 Yeah, but the joke doesn't make sense.

01:52:29.000 It's like the opposite of opposite sarcasm.

01:52:31.000 You know, it only means one thing, racism is solved.

01:52:34.000 Because clearly racism hasn't been solved because you're taken off the air.

01:52:37.000 So the only way you're making a joke is that clearly you're being taken off the air because of racism.

01:52:42.000 It's not a good joke.

01:52:43.000 I think he would be the first to say that it isn't a good joke.

01:52:45.000 Maybe if they had some better writers, their ratings wouldn't be so in the pits.

01:52:48.000 Maybe his ratings wouldn't be so in the pits.

01:52:51.000 He talked about...

01:52:54.000 The unblackification. 0.99

01:52:54.000 Where is it? 0.99

01:52:55.000 I don't have it here.

01:52:55.000 The de-blackification.

01:52:57.000 Oh yeah, the unblackening.

01:52:58.000 I have it right here on my screen.

01:52:59.000 I've got it highlighted.

01:53:00.000 He said, I guess I hadn't counted on the unblackening happening to my time slot as well. 0.99

01:53:04.000 So, let me kind of give you a timeline here, okay, with Larry Will.

01:53:07.000 And you're going to see the same thing happen with Trevor Noah.

01:53:09.000 Trevor Noah, South African, who comes over here to lecture Americans on racism. 0.87

01:53:14.000 Wrap your noggin around that one. 0.96

01:53:15.000 Hang on control on other issues.

01:53:17.000 Yeah, of course, because it's worked out so well for where he comes from.

01:53:19.000 That's why he's fled that country to come here for opportunity.

01:53:22.000 So Larry Wilmore takes a show, takes a slot, just kills it, just beats it into the ground, is far, far left, is a total propagandist, was never even that good on the Daily Show to begin with.

01:53:32.000 I think he can be clever.

01:53:33.000 The show wasn't very funny, and it just became beating the same old drum about racism. 1.00

01:53:37.000 Republicans are stupid. 1.00

01:53:38.000 Let's do the math here. 1.00

01:53:39.000 People say, are you just bitching about the media? 1.00

01:53:41.000 No, we don't just bitch about the media. 1.00

01:53:42.000 That's why we create media.

01:53:43.000 That's why we do what we do so you have some kind of an alternative.

01:53:45.000 And we're very grateful that as many people pay attention as they do.

01:53:48.000 I know it could all go away tomorrow.

01:53:50.000 We're incredibly grateful.

01:53:51.000 But Kimmel, Fallon, Conan, Wilmore, Trevor Noah, Amy Schumer, every single one.

01:54:00.000 And I don't mean every single one is probably liberal.

01:54:03.000 I mean every single one has been on a political platform to push a candidate or a specific leftist legislative policy at some point.

01:54:13.000 Amy Schumer with gun control. 1.00

01:54:15.000 Conan O'Brien pushing gun control.

01:54:17.000 I mean, these people, either they're at a Clinton rally or they're at a Bernie rally or Larry Wilmore.

01:54:21.000 So he destroys the ratings by constantly beating the same drum of racism, racism, racism.

01:54:26.000 It's social justice warrior comedy.

01:54:28.000 Racism, racism.

01:54:29.000 And every now and then they say, hey, we're becoming too politically correct.

01:54:31.000 It's because of them.

01:54:32.000 The ratings, which I'm sure they would have had meetings with him saying, hey, you need to change it up.

01:54:37.000 Refuse to.

01:54:37.000 The ratings are cut in half.

01:54:38.000 They finally fire him and he says, racism.

01:54:43.000 Oh my god!

01:54:44.000 It's gotten to the point where...

01:54:46.000 Maybe you're just not that funny.

01:54:48.000 Maybe the reason that Richard Pryor was loved.

01:54:51.000 Maybe the reason that Eddie Murphy was loved.

01:54:53.000 Maybe the reason that Dave Chappelle was loved.

01:54:55.000 Maybe the reason that Key and Peele did really well. 0.99

01:54:56.000 Maybe the reason that Chris Rock did it is because they're funny and you just suck. 0.99

01:55:02.000 Maybe you're not funny. 1.00

01:55:04.000 Maybe it's not because you're black. 1.00

01:55:05.000 By the way, he looks like Dana Carvey in Master of Disguise doing the Turtles Club. 0.84

01:55:10.000 You compare him to Richard Pryor?

01:55:11.000 Come on.

01:55:13.000 Barely passes the sandpaper test.

01:55:17.000 We have one more clip, and here's why.

01:55:18.000 Just so you know the spirit of it, this is not a guy who kind of is left.

01:55:22.000 He decided to sign off on his show.

01:55:24.000 Now he's tipped his hand so you know all along where he lined up.

01:55:28.000 Roll the clip.

01:55:29.000 So stop comparing the two. 0.61

01:55:32.000 Donald Trump is an existential threat to America.

01:55:36.000 And if you love America, like me, you have to hope that Hillary Clinton wins every single electoral vote this November.

01:55:45.000 So there you go.

01:55:46.000 There you go.

01:55:47.000 I also love how the second he said that, yes!

01:55:49.000 Is this a comedy show or is this church?

01:55:51.000 Yes!

01:55:51.000 Yes.

01:55:52.000 Preach!

01:55:53.000 So what he just said is if you love America like me, meaning if you don't love America, you'll vote Trump, you have to hope that Hillary Clinton wins every single electoral vote.

01:56:03.000 This is why we won't endorse candidates.

01:56:05.000 By the way, I've been critical of Trump.

01:56:07.000 I've supported Trump where I can.

01:56:09.000 This is the kind of thing that makes me want to go out there with a Trump sign, defend him, and pull the lever as many times as I can.

01:56:14.000 Find dead guys and dig up their bodies to vote Trump, just like leftists will do for Hillary. 1.00

01:56:20.000 Get as many illegals to come in who, I don't know what illegals we could get in, who would do the opposite of what the Mexican illegals do, to just pull the lever for Trump. 0.66

01:56:28.000 This makes me want to defend him so much, where he is an existential threat, therefore you must vote Hillary.

01:56:33.000 We can find a good bus and go pick up people who can't afford transportation.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:56:37.000 Promise them a few free sandwiches if they vote Trump.

01:56:40.000 This is why we don't endorse a candidate.

01:56:42.000 This is why we don't come out and cheerlead.

01:56:44.000 This is why we have to be supportive and critical of everybody.

01:56:47.000 Because guess what?

01:56:48.000 After this, it's a good thing he's going off the air.

01:56:49.000 I could never laugh at him.

01:56:51.000 I could never find him funny.

01:56:53.000 Could you find Larry Will more funny when the guy has openly said, I am deliberately trying to create propaganda.

01:56:59.000 My number one goal here is to elect somebody, not to make you laugh, and the ratings reflect it.

01:57:04.000 That person can no longer be funny.

01:57:06.000 You can be open about it and say, listen, that's what we said.

01:57:10.000 We're very open that we're incredibly biased.

01:57:13.000 Absolutely, we'll listen to all points of view, but I've got an opinion.

01:57:16.000 And I think it's right.

01:57:17.000 If I didn't think it were right, I wouldn't have an opinion.

01:57:21.000 But look at Larry Wilmar.

01:57:23.000 Case in point, that's why we don't do it.

01:57:25.000 But he'll say that it's racism.

01:57:27.000 Maybe it's because you're not funny and you came out and you were pushing Hillary Clinton.

01:57:30.000 And, little hint, half the country doesn't like her.

01:57:33.000 Therefore, half the country finds you obnoxious and the ratings are going to suffer.

01:57:37.000 Half the country?

01:57:38.000 You've pissed off openly?

01:57:40.000 Half the ratings?

01:57:41.000 Who'd have thought? 0.61

01:57:42.000 We'll be back with Chad with AIDS. This Week in Feminism. 1.00

01:58:02.000 What?

01:58:03.000 Amy, a hashtag?

01:58:04.000 How would creating a hashtag help me more than going to the police?

01:58:09.000 It probably won't, but you will gain a super ton of followers.

01:58:13.000 I don't want to gain followers.

01:58:15.000 I want to catch the perpetrator.

01:58:17.000 Sounds like something someone with only 50,000 followers would say.

01:58:20.000 Amy, that's not the point.

01:58:21.000 This guy is still out there.

01:58:23.000 I know, and there's no better revenge than gaining more Twitter followers.

01:58:29.000 No, I need to save other women. 1.00

01:58:31.000 I need to stop him from attacking another victim.

01:58:34.000 Well, I guess what.

01:58:35.000 I mean, it could be you.

01:58:37.000 How do you make sure something like this doesn't happen to you?

01:58:40.000 Have you considered gaining 50 pounds?

01:58:43.000 All right, we will bring up our guest after, but I have to bring this up.

01:59:08.000 This is on screen from our wonderful sponsors at AR15.com.

01:59:12.000 The open threads there are always very funny.

01:59:15.000 Someone took Larry Wilmore and put him next to Dana Carvey from the Turtle Club.

01:59:20.000 Look at this.

01:59:20.000 Look at this, Jared.

01:59:21.000 Was I not correct?

01:59:22.000 Bring that up.

01:59:23.000 Bring that up.

01:59:23.000 Come on.

01:59:24.000 Come on now.

01:59:25.000 Oh gosh.

01:59:26.000 That called it.

01:59:27.000 Am I not turtly enough for the Turtles Club?

01:59:29.000 Horrible film.

01:59:30.000 That's rough.

01:59:30.000 Absolutely terrible motion.

01:59:32.000 Terrible.

01:59:33.000 So anyway, I'm super glad to bring up our next guest because it's more of a personal thing and I wanted to have him on.

01:59:39.000 You folks know him as, apologies, Chad with AIDS. Chad, thanks for being on the program, sir.

01:59:45.000 Hello?

01:59:46.000 It's bizarre that we get emails from people saying, I was so inspired by Chad with AIDS as the moniker, and I'm going, I can't believe this is allowed to occur on air.

01:59:58.000 I'm surprised you're not more triggered, Chad.

02:00:00.000 That's the point I'm getting at.

02:00:01.000 I cry every day.

02:00:03.000 I just hide it really well.

02:00:04.000 Well, we all do that.

02:00:06.000 So, okay, you got an email.

02:00:07.000 I wanted to read this.

02:00:08.000 There was an email from me that was sent.

02:00:10.000 For those who don't know, Chad has openly pushed against the leftist Gestapo who fight against disclosure laws with HIV. He's talked about that.

02:00:17.000 Go back to the archives.

02:00:18.000 And I got an email from someone.

02:00:19.000 I won't give his name.

02:00:22.000 But he said, today I was listening to episode Chad.

02:00:24.000 And...

02:00:25.000 He said, my uncle got age from needle drug use, intravenous drug use, when he was enlisted in the Navy.

02:00:30.000 He was actually the first person prosecuted and jailed in the state of blank for failure to disclose the law.

02:00:36.000 And he said it was the absolute best outcome for him.

02:00:38.000 While in prison, he got clean.

02:00:40.000 When he was released, he met and married a woman.

02:00:43.000 He stayed clean for years.

02:00:44.000 Thereafter, helped raise a You know, I thought...

02:01:07.000 After seeing so much of the other side, I thought that it was really helpful that people took it seriously, that they're understanding the purpose behind what I was talking about.

02:01:17.000 You know, we're in a weird place in the gay community right now where we have this medication called PrEP that's supposed to protect you from HIV. We have medications that are supposed to make you undetectable.

02:01:29.000 And as Zach Ford was telling you in your interview with him, it's impossible to transfer it.

02:01:36.000 And...

02:01:38.000 Now, I mean, in February there was an article in PAWS Magazine that was talking about a man who became HIV positive because he was taking PrEP like he was supposed to and he had sex with a man who had a drug-resistant form of HIV. And about 1% of people that become HIV positive inherit a drug-resistant form of HIV. It's increasing because we're using the same drugs and there are more and more people getting infected that they're becoming HIV positive.

02:02:07.000 To where they can't be treated.

02:02:09.000 But we're supposed to be trusting people. 1.00

02:02:10.000 It's like Zika for penises. 1.00

02:02:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:02:14.000 It's a super wiener issue.

02:02:17.000 Yeah, it's funny because I remember he came on and I was going, well, you know what?

02:02:20.000 I don't know that that's true.

02:02:21.000 He just said there's no way if your viral loads are undetectable, there's no way you can transfer it so you shouldn't have to disclose it.

02:02:26.000 And I was going, is that true 100%?

02:02:28.000 He's like, well, 99 point whatever.

02:02:30.000 And the more I looked it up, the more that seemed...

02:02:32.000 There are several cases.

02:02:34.000 I haven't heard of this sort of super virus like you've talked about, people who are on this drug, but it's certainly more common than the 0% he made it out to be.

02:02:41.000 And then we have this drag queen, this Irish drag queen who the Huffington Post says, drag queen makes powerful statement by wearing tiara coated with HIV positive blood to fight HIV stigma.

02:02:55.000 And I'm thinking...

02:02:59.000 We're the most medically advanced place now.

02:03:01.000 We could stop HIV in one generation, and we've got drag queens running around with HIV blood, and they're being called brave. 0.98

02:03:10.000 And, I mean, think about this.

02:03:10.000 1% of people who give them HIV positive, proportionally, less than 1% of the gay population is transgendered, and we give them bathrooms.

02:03:20.000 I mean... 0.69

02:03:21.000 And by the way, there is nothing that I or even the Westboro Baptist Church could do to stigmatize trannies and HIV more than putting them out in a parade with an HIV blood-covered tiara. 1.00

02:03:33.000 I don't know who you have to talk to at the secret gay meetings, but just so you know, they don't require homophobes to stigmatize them when they're doing a much better job with that.

02:03:42.000 And they're calling it brave. 0.97

02:03:44.000 It's nonsense.

02:03:45.000 It is pretty brave. 0.97

02:03:46.000 If that transgender doesn't have HIV, I'm not going to lie, that's ironically a ballsy move to an HIV tiara. 1.00

02:03:54.000 So I will give respect where it's due, Chad. 0.73

02:03:59.000 By the way, I'd like to point out that somehow transgender people manage to use public bathrooms for 60 years until 2015 when all of a sudden... 0.98

02:04:09.000 It's become an issue, I just...

02:04:11.000 Well, it became an issue because of the city ordinance in Charlotte, and then the state had to come out and say, well, okay, that can infringe on businesses.

02:04:17.000 And so people who don't understand it and don't trace it, they just go, why did North Carolina have to create a law?

02:04:21.000 Even Ruben was talking about this, and he was actually just...

02:04:23.000 It's like, well, because Charlotte did first, and they didn't want businesses to be under a threat because they practiced their privacy rights and say, no, you should use this bathroom.

02:04:33.000 So a lot of people don't know that, and that was kind of a catalyst, and nobody talks about it.

02:04:37.000 Hey, by the way, we wrote about this.

02:04:38.000 Did you read about the whole, speaking of this, the gender unicorn with North Carolina schools?

02:04:43.000 I did, yes.

02:04:45.000 You did.

02:04:46.000 Gender unicorn.

02:04:47.000 Basically, they're telling teachers, they're coaching them to not use boy or girl because they find it offensive.

02:04:52.000 And so there's this little unicorn to teach them about gender identity.

02:04:57.000 Your thoughts?

02:04:59.000 Yeah.

02:04:59.000 You know, the first thing that hits me from the gender unicorn is that the assumption is that we're all queer.

02:05:06.000 It's a purple unicorn thinking of a rainbow.

02:05:10.000 And the idea is it breaks down gender identity, gender expression, sex assigned to birth, physical attracted to and emotionally attracted to.

02:05:19.000 So you can be both now, I guess.

02:05:21.000 Right.

02:05:21.000 And they list male, female, and other.

02:05:26.000 Right.

02:05:26.000 Well, there's so much now, whether it's Dragon Lady, whether it's the five-year-old, whether it's, you know, HuffPost said things you should never say to a non-gender binary person.

02:05:34.000 For those who don't know, that means they could be gay, they could be straight, they could be a woman, they could be a man on any given day, just depending on how they feel.

02:05:41.000 That's an actual thing.

02:05:42.000 That's front page at, well, formerly Gawker, HuffPost, Salon.

02:05:46.000 People need to understand this isn't some fringe thing.

02:05:48.000 They go, well, liberals hate social justice words.

02:05:49.000 This is mainstream liberalism.

02:05:51.000 This is people who would be in Hillary's cabinet.

02:05:54.000 And I'm kind of confused now, because I've always identified as a purple unicorn.

02:05:59.000 But I don't know if I'm gay.

02:06:05.000 I'm attracted to men, I think, but I don't know what a man is, because they have to tell me first.

02:06:10.000 This is true.

02:06:10.000 And what if I'm attracted to a man who is emotionally attracted to...

02:06:19.000 Hold on, this is too much for radio.

02:06:20.000 It's not going to make sense.

02:06:21.000 Let me ask you this.

02:06:21.000 Let me try and unpack this.

02:06:24.000 It's like a Larry Wilmore joke.

02:06:25.000 Yes, it's like a Larry Wilmore joke.

02:06:26.000 And then when people don't laugh, he goes, what are you, racist?

02:06:28.000 And they go... 0.84

02:06:28.000 Okay, let me ask you this, because I've always wondered this about gay people. 0.84

02:06:34.000 And I had an answer once from a prominent conservative gay person, but I wasn't satisfied. 0.66

02:06:38.000 So you're gay, so you're attracted to men. 0.95

02:06:41.000 Mm-hmm. 0.61

02:06:42.000 Would you date, or would you, do you think, are you attracted to female to male transgenders who haven't gone through the bottom surgery? 0.91

02:06:50.000 Nope.

02:06:50.000 With the bottom surgery, nope.

02:06:53.000 Huh.

02:06:53.000 It's, honestly, because it's, they're not male.

02:06:57.000 I'm attracted to masculine characteristics.

02:06:59.000 It's not just the physical characteristics, it's also the male characteristics.

02:07:03.000 And as masculine as a woman can be, It doesn't work. 1.00

02:07:08.000 Now, contradictory, the first guy I ever hit on in a gay bar was a girl. 0.98

02:07:13.000 Was that an accident?

02:07:14.000 Yeah, I thought he was a cute boy, and they thought, you know...

02:07:18.000 Story of my life.

02:07:19.000 This is a lifestyle.

02:07:21.000 Story of my life.

02:07:21.000 I appreciate you giving us a window into it.

02:07:24.000 Yeah, they played along for a while, and then his girlfriend came over, and I was like, oh great, I've hit on a straight guy in a gay bar, of course.

02:07:30.000 And no, it was a...

02:07:31.000 But no, I just...

02:07:34.000 And I'll be honest, I can't imagine...

02:07:36.000 When does your book come out?

02:07:37.000 When does your book come out, Chad?

02:07:39.000 I'm trying to make sense of this love triangle.

02:07:41.000 At least the audio tapes.

02:07:43.000 Good lord.

02:07:43.000 Honestly, I don't think you...

02:07:44.000 I mean, this isn't...

02:07:45.000 It's unfair to transgender people, but I don't think a straight man should be expected to be attracted to a man who becomes female, no matter how well that person passes. 0.92

02:07:58.000 Their body is still male to resemble female.

02:08:01.000 I think that is perfectly acceptable for a straight man to say no.

02:08:04.000 I don't think a single gay man that I know would be comfortable dating a woman who now resembles a man. 1.00

02:08:11.000 Well, that's more common, but I did have a prominent gay conservative tell me.

02:08:15.000 And by the way, people are going to say it's not Milo.

02:08:16.000 It's not Milo.

02:08:17.000 So we're just trying to read through the lines.

02:08:18.000 It's not Milo.

02:08:18.000 So I don't want people to say that.

02:08:20.000 There's only like three of us.

02:08:21.000 No, they're more than you would expect.

02:08:22.000 Maybe a Bruce or Milo. 0.98

02:08:24.000 Well, maybe a lesbian. 1.00

02:08:25.000 Could be gay or lesbian. 0.55

02:08:26.000 Who knows? 0.86

02:08:26.000 Could be bi. 0.86

02:08:27.000 But when I said, hey, you're attracted to people of the same sex. 0.51

02:08:30.000 Let's use a lesbian for example. 1.00

02:08:32.000 I said, so if you're like attracted to women. 0.95

02:08:34.000 I remember asking this question.

02:08:34.000 I was much younger.

02:08:35.000 I was like 22.

02:08:36.000 I said, so you're attracted to the feminine form, the beautiful form, the curves, you know, femininity. 0.97

02:08:41.000 Yes.

02:08:42.000 I said, so why do you date tomboys who buy plaid shirts at Orvis?

02:08:47.000 And...

02:08:48.000 This person said, well, once you break down the sexual norms that are expected, you're free to love whoever you want.

02:08:54.000 And what I thought about that answer is, okay, I understand that here, but then you lose your leg to stand on if people say, well, then why not pedophilia?

02:09:02.000 Why not something a little...

02:09:04.000 Because you've basically said the first step is breaking down any kind of sexual or gender norms, and that's how you sort of explain being attracted to women, but being attracted to women who look like men.

02:09:15.000 So for you, in that sense, as a gay person, have you been attracted to the...

02:09:19.000 Because you don't come across super feminine.

02:09:22.000 I would imagine if you're attracted to men, you wouldn't want your men to be super feminine. 1.00

02:09:25.000 But I can't really climb into that noggin of yours, and I don't claim to.

02:09:30.000 Girl, okay, man. 0.97

02:09:32.000 You seem more uncomfortable doing that than super Mexican with the Latino accent. 1.00

02:09:38.000 I know, right? 0.96

02:09:39.000 When I try to be gay, I come off like a straight guy doing a gay guy thing. 0.52

02:09:43.000 I'm much better at being Jewish. 0.56

02:09:46.000 Listen...

02:09:47.000 Listen, I like masculinity.

02:09:50.000 I like it.

02:09:50.000 I can't help it.

02:09:51.000 I like it.

02:09:52.000 It's not a thing that I... I don't know how to...

02:09:54.000 See, that was my Jewish.

02:09:56.000 Oh, okay.

02:09:57.000 I didn't know why.

02:09:58.000 See, we don't want to get the letters, so we just let you take the floor. 0.98

02:10:02.000 You oppressed a gay guy. 0.99

02:10:04.000 Look at the stash. 0.99

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 But no, honestly, I'm attracted to masculinity.

02:10:11.000 I don't even know how to really define that.

02:10:13.000 But at the same time, It's funny. 0.92

02:10:16.000 Most of the lesbians I've ever known in my life look like two obese men. 1.00

02:10:21.000 Two obese men. 0.99

02:10:23.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:10:24.000 It looks like when a little rascal got under a trench coat.

02:10:27.000 Yes.

02:10:28.000 Like the little rascal got under a trench coat, only they didn't know they had to go top-bottom.

02:10:31.000 They just got side-by-side with two heads.

02:10:33.000 Side-by-side.

02:10:33.000 Not going to get anywhere that way.

02:10:35.000 No.

02:10:35.000 Yeah, no, I do know people who are very attracted to feminine men, and I don't know.

02:10:42.000 But to me, it comes down to if gender doesn't exist, if gender is completely subjective, then sexuality makes no sense.

02:10:50.000 And heterosexuality makes even less sense because how could 90-some percent of the population...

02:10:58.000 Manage to understand your gender if you haven't decided it yet.

02:11:03.000 That's compelling.

02:11:04.000 It really does.

02:11:04.000 I've always thought the transgender really does undercut the gay issue, right?

02:11:10.000 Because it's not a mental illness that was classified for a long time.

02:11:13.000 This is something that is genetic.

02:11:16.000 Like Milo said, I think there's a component of both nature and nurture.

02:11:18.000 I've always maintained that.

02:11:20.000 It's not you choose to be gay.

02:11:21.000 It's not that.

02:11:22.000 But I think you can see some Definitely some trends in the raising of a lot of gay people or some relationships, and then you can see trends just genetically.

02:11:32.000 I'm not saying a gay gene, but they tend to be a certain way, just like some people tend to be unbelievable swimmers like Michael Phelps.

02:11:39.000 But then this turns it on its head if you have to accept this gender fluidity. 0.99

02:11:43.000 You have to do away with all of that or it doesn't work.

02:11:46.000 And we forget that there is choice.

02:11:51.000 Your article about waiting for marriage was a, I think to me, it was a beautiful article about...

02:11:59.000 Understanding your role in your own attraction.

02:12:04.000 Certainly you were naturally attracted to women, but you chose how you understood that.

02:12:09.000 I think that this idea that there have always just been gay people exactly the way we understand gay people now doesn't necessarily make sense.

02:12:16.000 There have been lots of periods of time where homosexuality was more or less socially acceptable.

02:12:20.000 It seems to follow a lot of...

02:12:24.000 I'm richer and more luxurious.

02:12:25.000 I hate to boot you.

02:12:25.000 We have to let you go.

02:12:26.000 We'll get your handle here after the break.

02:12:28.000 Chad, thank you so much.

02:12:29.000 And you're doing a lot of good stuff, inspiring a lot of people who may not fit the mold.

02:12:32.000 And I get emails all the time.

02:12:33.000 We really appreciate it.

02:12:34.000 Well, stay tuned.

02:12:35.000 We'll wrap this up with a nice straight bow. 0.92

02:12:38.000 Straight bow.

02:12:38.000 We have to.

02:12:39.000 We have to.

02:13:02.000 Well, I now bring you an exclusive, as Shadle Acornson of Squirrelceuticals has released yet another in a never-ending series of attack ads regarding the Hoppercane ticket.

02:13:15.000 Listen, my opponent, Hopper, has a temperament that's, uh, unfit for the Oval Office. 0.99

02:13:22.000 Just look at how nitty this son of a bitch is! 1.00

02:13:25.000 *crickets* 1.00

02:13:46.000 *crickets* Look at him!

02:14:02.000 Look at him!

02:14:03.000 Look how neat he is!

02:14:04.000 Look at that!

02:14:04.000 Attention!

02:14:05.000 All the time!

02:14:07.000 Tell you what, that dog is desperate.

02:14:09.000 And desperate dogs do dangerous things.

02:14:11.000 Do you want a desperate dog willing to do dangerous things merely for pets?

02:14:16.000 As your president, I think that.

02:14:18.000 Truer words were never spoken.

02:14:20.000 We'll keep you abreast as the story unfolds.

02:14:24.000 For a lot of wolf crawler, I'm Perry Mazat.

02:14:26.000 I'm Perry Mazat.

02:14:56.000 I'm Perry Mazat.

02:15:10.000 That got dark.

02:15:11.000 Always does with that one.

02:15:12.000 You know why?

02:15:13.000 It's the drowning dance, we call it.

02:15:15.000 For those who listen internationally, you can watch live on Thursday nights.

02:15:19.000 And that's the drowning dance, back from the bump.

02:15:22.000 Because we're drowning in so much content and love.

02:15:25.000 Never dailiness.

02:15:27.000 And firings.

02:15:29.000 We didn't fire you yet.

02:15:30.000 We have to do it, rightfully so.

02:15:33.000 So we always try and obviously tie this up in a way that you have a takeaway.

02:15:39.000 One thing I wanted to talk about, I didn't get to talk about with Chad, and you can follow me on Twitter to follow him.

02:15:43.000 A brave guy.

02:15:44.000 People throw that term around a lot.

02:15:46.000 That is a brave dude who's willing to come out and talk.

02:15:51.000 I mean, the guy's an open book.

02:15:53.000 Sometimes he says stuff where I'm going, gosh, I can't believe you would say that on air.

02:15:56.000 Or I'm surprised that you would open up on air.

02:15:59.000 To speak out against the gay community, the LGBTQAIP community, the movement, the way he does, and the flack he catches, I think it's great. 1.00

02:16:08.000 I think it's great.

02:16:09.000 And I think I would think it's great even if he didn't line up with me politically.

02:16:13.000 So, one thing I also want to talk about with bullies, because Chad knows this, and I do hate bullying of any kind.

02:16:19.000 We're talking about this with Dinesh and Chank, and people, they'll attack us online.

02:16:25.000 It happens all the time.

02:16:26.000 Listen, I understand this.

02:16:27.000 We try and invite everybody on to debate.

02:16:29.000 We invited Sally Cohn on next week.

02:16:31.000 Hopefully she comes on.

02:16:32.000 Let me kind of give you an example as to, with the online sort of warfare, trolls, and people saying, well, what is considered bullying?

02:16:40.000 If you choose to attack somebody...

02:16:43.000 This is my rule.

02:16:44.000 In real life, it's easy to see who's a bully, right?

02:16:46.000 Typically, someone who gangs up on somebody, right?

02:16:48.000 They bully them.

02:16:49.000 They have their gang behind them.

02:16:50.000 That's when they're confident.

02:16:51.000 And then, when they're one-on-one, they're not so confident, they shrink.

02:16:55.000 That's a bully, generally speaking.

02:16:57.000 Online, if you attack somebody, and we've had this a lot.

02:17:00.000 We've had people at Gawker, Wong Ketz.

02:17:04.000 Gosh, it's happened so many times.

02:17:05.000 Obviously, the Young Turks. 0.97

02:17:07.000 If you attack somebody and you're willing to make a video, or you're willing to do it on Twitter...

02:17:11.000 Or wherever it may be, on a website.

02:17:13.000 That's with your audience.

02:17:14.000 That's with the comment section.

02:17:16.000 That's the gang.

02:17:17.000 That's, ha ha ha, here's the group of us.

02:17:20.000 And then that person, as we always do, offers you the chance, one-on-one.

02:17:24.000 Right?

02:17:25.000 Alright, let's get in the racquetball court and settle it.

02:17:27.000 Let's argue this.

02:17:29.000 Let's have a conversation.

02:17:30.000 And they refuse to show up. 1.00

02:17:31.000 That's a coward. 0.97

02:17:33.000 Now, it's important to note... 0.85

02:17:36.000 If they choose to call out that person, if you choose to call out somebody, you have to provide them some recourse or response.

02:17:41.000 So we've done that with Young Turks. 0.99

02:17:43.000 If Amy Schumer or if Lena Dunham wanted to be on tomorrow, they would be on tomorrow.

02:17:48.000 Zach Ford wanted to be on.

02:17:51.000 He was on.

02:17:51.000 Christopher Titus called me out.

02:17:53.000 I said, okay, let's have you on.

02:17:56.000 Sally Cohn, Phil Advise.

02:17:58.000 So we do that.

02:17:59.000 We never call anybody out who we—well, I never call anybody out who I wouldn't gladly debate.

02:18:05.000 People may think, if I'm an instigator, and by the way, I've never obsessed and flooded their timeline or asked, if you listen to the show, I certainly hope you don't do that and never bully anyone.

02:18:12.000 I never want to do that.

02:18:13.000 I don't want people to be disrespectful to Sally Cohn or to Christopher Titus.

02:18:15.000 I want them to come back on the show.

02:18:17.000 We've always maintained good relationships with liberals, even though I'm blatantly against everything they stand for.

02:18:23.000 But if I call somebody out and they say, okay, let's have this conversation, I will make that walk.

02:18:29.000 I will have that conversation every single time.

02:18:32.000 The people who don't The people who get offended, the people who start Twitter campaigns, YouTube, wherever it is, or if they get on AM radio, if they get on Fox News, and they don't provide that person any sort of platform or recourse, that's a coward.

02:18:44.000 Because I understand, right?

02:18:45.000 I can't answer.

02:18:46.000 We get all the time people, I can't debate every Twitter egg who shows up with five followers.

02:18:49.000 I get it, right?

02:18:51.000 People put a target on your back when you have an audience.

02:18:53.000 So that's our rule of thumb.

02:18:56.000 Sometimes we've gotten a lot of emails this week.

02:18:57.000 Hey, how do you choose who you'll debate?

02:19:00.000 Well, the first rule is if it's somebody with a significant platform and they've called me out, okay, let's do it.

02:19:06.000 Or if it's someone I've called out ever, I will never do it and then not provide them the opportunity to.

02:19:12.000 Hopefully that helps you.

02:19:13.000 So just think of that, the online gang, that's what it is, and then when someone is out alone, that's when you see them for who they truly are, whether it's a Clinton or whether it's an online troll.

02:19:25.000 And I think that's important because we're having a conversation about bullying right now, and it's important to delineate, for example, someone like a Milo writing a bad review about Ghostbusters and being snippy about Leslie Jones, and somebody else who starts an active campaign to destroy a career like Like people have tried to do with Milo, for example.

02:19:42.000 I think some people have tried to do it with me.

02:19:45.000 Or people have certainly tried to do it with whether it's Glenn Beck, whether it's Rush Limbaugh, whether it's someone on the left.

02:19:52.000 People who do that and then refuse to show up and hide in the shadows.

02:19:55.000 Because when we talk about bullying, people go, someone said something mean and you have Twitter trust and safety cancels now and free speech is being infringed.

02:20:02.000 It's important that you define what bullying is.

02:20:05.000 And so sometimes people say you can be a little bit rough on this show.

02:20:07.000 Well, we know what a bully is.

02:20:08.000 And bullies don't allow someone to come on the show. 1.00

02:20:11.000 As a matter of fact, not gay Jared. 0.97

02:20:13.000 People have said, well, hey, Christopher Titus got so loud and angry.

02:20:15.000 Why didn't you have Jared moderate?

02:20:17.000 And you know that I've told you this. 0.99

02:20:18.000 I've turned to Jared and I've said, shut your mouth.

02:20:21.000 Don't say a word because it's not fair if they feel like they're two against one.

02:20:25.000 You know that.

02:20:26.000 Maybe in the future we'll allow you to ask some questions to keep us on track and not do anything else.

02:20:31.000 Time limits or something like that?

02:20:32.000 Yeah.

02:20:33.000 Listen, Jared and I, we work together, but we're friends.

02:20:35.000 And I know that Jared and I agree more.

02:20:37.000 So Jared knows I've said, Jared, don't say anything.

02:20:39.000 It's not fair.

02:20:40.000 Don't chime in.

02:20:42.000 Certainly don't chime in.

02:20:42.000 Just call me a friend?

02:20:43.000 No.

02:20:44.000 I would never do that.

02:20:45.000 Hug me.

02:20:46.000 Stop it.

02:20:47.000 Why do you go right there?

02:20:49.000 You're going to have so many tweets and conspiracy theories about it.

02:20:52.000 Again, the same point is with racism right now.

02:20:54.000 With the outrage.

02:20:55.000 With Larry Wilmore, he was fired because of racism.

02:20:57.000 Well, you were fired because of ratings.

02:20:59.000 With Usain Bolt and Ellen DeGeneres saying, hey, he's fast and I'd like to ride his back like a knapsack to do gross...

02:21:06.000 That's because of racism.

02:21:07.000 Well, it's because he's fast.

02:21:09.000 You need to define what racism is. 0.99

02:21:11.000 Rape. 0.92

02:21:11.000 Well, I didn't really want to consent. 0.92

02:21:14.000 That's not...

02:21:15.000 Let's define it.

02:21:16.000 I was drunk.

02:21:17.000 That's not rape. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Racism.

02:21:19.000 Define it.

02:21:20.000 Rape. 0.95

02:21:21.000 Define it.

02:21:22.000 Bullying.

02:21:22.000 Define it.

02:21:23.000 When you define it, and that's one thing we try and do on this show, whereas people who are dishonest try to hide from context, we try to shine a light on as much context as possible.

02:21:32.000 When you are clear as to the terminology you're using, okay, this is what bullying is, this is what rape is, this is what racism is, then you can have an honest conversation about it.

02:21:42.000 When you try and move the goalposts, and that's where we are right now with the media and as a country, no one is able to have a conversation.

02:21:48.000 Now we have people who aim loaded guns at cops and we call them victims.

02:21:51.000 Now we have women who've felt their sisters hoo-ha like Lana Dunham and we call them victims of rape. 1.00

02:21:57.000 Well, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

02:21:59.000 So let's be clear about what we're discussing and only then can we discuss it.

02:22:04.000 Stay tuned for next week.

Louder with Crowder - August 19, 2016

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