On this episode of Talk Radio s Strangest Animal, host Jared and co-host Stephen discuss the first Democratic Debates, the fallout from the first debate, and the upcoming debate with Donald Trump. Plus, a special guest appearance from Andrew Bogut.
00:01:56.000You don't sound like you're sure, By the way, if you hear me drinking my beverage tonight, it's because Not Gay Jared had to remove my mute button.
00:03:05.000So, right off the bat, though, we did a live stream during the debate this week, and you can tweet us, by the way, at Ask Crowder if there are topics that you want to hear.
00:03:12.000I always forget to say that, because sometimes we forget some topics, and people really want some.
00:03:27.000I am astounded that we had, like, hundreds of thousands of people just watching us drink beers and live-stream the debate, so we will be doing that.
00:03:34.000If that doesn't tell you about the state of America, nothing else does.
00:03:37.000Well, apparently we made it palatable.
00:03:39.000Like we said during that debate live-stream, if you're looking for cheerleading, if you're looking for, oh, damn, Trump got you, this isn't the program for you.
00:04:04.000If you look at the legitimate polls and focus groups, I know you have some on the right that – you can't use Drudge Report in an online poll, right?
00:04:13.000Just like all these people used to say, you can't use the Ron Paul polls because he can mobilize people online.
00:04:47.000Just give me a reason to pull the lever for Trump.
00:04:51.000He had a good enough performance to maybe get...
00:04:55.000If either of them are going to gain those undecided people by a couple of points, it might be a wash and they might gain the same amount of undecided people.
00:05:03.000I think what favored him was that his strong point was at the beginning.
00:05:06.000I think there were probably a lot of people who probably thought he did really well...
00:05:09.000Possibly tuned out before the second half.
00:07:32.000You don't get to take away fundamental constitutional rights, whether you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, because of some arbitrary list where you haven't been convicted of a crime.
00:07:41.000There's no due process, regardless of whether we create an appeal process.
00:08:09.000And if you look online on Twitter, when people were being honest, if you look online as the live debate was going on, a lot of conservatives were upset about that.
00:08:31.000And I think that's just – I think those are some things that just kind of show not so much like a misstep that's just kind of like – I hate to say it, but I think that's the real Donald Trump kind of leaking through, kind of his natural bent.
00:08:42.000And it doesn't mean that he's worse than Hillary Clinton.
00:08:46.000The problem is, and here's the problem with social media right now, the second I can see the lines lighting up with people who are furious, you know, any criticism of Donald Trump is going to put Hillary Clinton in office.
00:08:56.000Two months ago, we're ranting and raving about how great it was that Donald Trump met with the NRA, ARFcom, AR15.com, where the live chat occurs.
00:09:06.000You were just praising him by saying, well, you know what, it shows that he can learn, because he thought no fly, no buy, and then he changed after his meeting with the NRA. For him to change back, that should piss you off, and you should want to keep him accountable, and it's okay to be critical on that.
00:11:33.000That's that cerebral cortex where we had the doctor saying, you know, that's the one area that can be altered by an incredible amount of pot smoking.
00:12:01.000But this would have been an opportunity for the first time since, like, Ross Perot to at least make their voice heard if the libertarians had...
00:12:07.000The fat, naked stripper at the libertarian convention, the Chris Farley-Chippendales look-alike, would have been more equipped to handle this election than Gary Johnson.
00:12:37.000And now, Hillary Clinton fact-checks in real-time that didn't happen, but should have. Hillary Clinton fact-checks in real-time that didn't happen, but should These should've.
00:12:57.000I can't believe these didn't actually happen.
00:13:08.000As soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina.
00:15:28.000He, you know, Austin Peterson, obviously I couldn't have voted for the guy because of the open borders policy, but I like him.
00:15:33.000I think he's a pretty sharp guy, and for him to lose a primary to a party that won't even get 10% of the vote to a guy who was effectively Cuba Gooding Jr.'s character from radio is a really rough pill to swallow.
00:17:07.000I just want to make sure we're not wasting people's time because it gets really bad and I want to get to that quickly before I have an aneurysm.
00:17:15.000Brown became my home, my community, and I took the ideas and the experiences I had there into all of my social interactions, into my workplace, into my politics, into all aspects of my life.
00:18:30.000They trot this out, and by the way, they trot this out to demand international sanctions, to demand international globalist rule of law from the UN to take your rights away.
00:18:39.000We'll get into that later, because the UN called for the United States to give reparations to black Americans.
00:18:44.000No word yet on African nations who sold them into slavery.
00:18:47.000Name one university where rape is taught as, ah, we're swept under the wrong.
00:18:52.000Name one university that teaches women you're not allowed to be in a position of leadership.
00:18:56.000Name one university that is opposed to demanding safe spaces, trigger warnings, and checking your privilege.
00:19:00.000Name one university that is this bastion of misogyny and rape culture and inequality.
00:19:30.000But we know that if you change students' experiences so they have different expectations of the world around them, expectations of equality, society will change.
00:19:46.000As we leave home for the first time to study at the places that we have worked so hard to get, we must not see or experience double standards.
00:20:35.000And like you said, this is Emma Watson's greatest qualification to have an opinion.
00:20:39.000Not saying she can't have an opinion, but she's sitting before the UN who kind of screw up international law a whole lot.
00:20:45.000Her greatest qualification is she was a cute If awkward unibrowed kid who was a good enough actor for them to hand her millions of dollars to take part in a franchise before she even had her first female cycle.
00:20:58.000So this woman was surrounded by piles of cash.
00:21:09.000College does shape your worldview and people will have different expectations.
00:21:12.000That's why you have an entire generation of social justice warriors who get their teeth kicked in by the real world because they get into the real world and they realize that it's not safe spaces and trigger warnings.
00:21:36.000Because since Emma Watson has been a little girl, she has had her ass kissed by agents, managers, publicists, producers, directors who have a vested interest to make sure that she does not face any real adversity of any kind because they need to protect their product and their brand.
00:21:53.000And so she's going to go out into the world with unrealistic expectations, just like Every child actor, usually it results in coke off some broad's hip bones.
00:22:00.000In this case, it results in her lecturing the UN and the rest of the world on how we need to pay women more and start treating rape seriously.
00:25:37.000So, yeah, that was obviously a big stumble, but it ended up being a good thing, not necessarily for Gary Johnson, but for, I think, foreign policy, because a lot of people started Googling Aleppo, right?
00:25:47.000Everybody was like he was like, what an idiot.
00:26:12.000Because he's not the same Gary Johnson when he was in office, and now it does seem maybe like he smoked himself a little bit silly, and they deserve better, my lazy pothead friends.
00:26:24.000There is a different Gary Johnson from 2008 to 2012.
00:26:28.000I think that probably the primary got him beat up pretty bad.
00:26:31.000So he may have come out of that a little bit more bruised.
00:26:33.000And then now he's got his VP choice, Bill Weld, that he's got out there.
00:26:37.000So, yeah, if you're a pothead, then Gary Johnson is your candidate.
00:26:41.000And there's nothing wrong with potheads.
00:26:42.000I've smoked marijuana, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
00:26:46.000But I think that Gary Johnson definitely needs to step up his game in certain areas.
00:26:49.000But, well, did you watch the That was my question, because when we had, you know, you're a libertarian, but you had your issues with Gary Johnson.
00:26:57.000Obviously, the gun issue with him, he's remarkably inconsistent.
00:27:14.000Where are you when we're in this kind of circus?
00:27:17.000Well, I'm not considering Trump just because I worry about the rise of hyper-nationalism in the United States because I think what that does is that leads to things like tariffs.
00:27:26.000That leads to eventually tax increases.
00:27:28.000I think that Trump, he's supposed to be the top diplomat, the top ambassador.
00:27:32.000And Gary, for all of his faults, I would trust him more as a diplomat or ambassador for our country rather than Trump, who seems to be a little bit of a loose cannon.
00:27:40.000I don't know if you heard today, Barack Obama came out this week and said that don't vote for Gary Johnson because that's a vote for Trump.
00:27:48.000And that's funny because all the Trump voters say that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.
00:27:53.000So I can't decide if by voting for Johnson I'm voting for Trump or Hillary.
00:27:57.000But I personally prefer Johnson to Trump or Hillary.
00:28:00.000I think it comes down to, do you find the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency terrifying enough that even if you're a libertarian or third party, you don't like them, that you say, all right, I can't allow it, in which case you vote for Trump, not Johnson, because we know Johnson doesn't actually really have a chance of winning the election.
00:28:18.000It depends on how terrifying the idea is of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
00:28:22.000I think that sort of determines who you think it could help more.
00:28:25.000Well, I'm a little bit more strategic when it comes to that.
00:28:28.000I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but I kind of come from the Alexander Hamilton Federalist wing of the Libertarian Party.
00:28:34.000And Alexander Hamilton made the argument that it's better to have someone who at the top of the ticket or in the presidency that you did not support, that you are not responsible for, because that way you can oppose them.
00:28:47.000And if the candidate is Hillary Clinton, Then I think that the Republicans and Libertarians and conservatives, we would all finally be united again against a common enemy.
00:28:56.000And that way we're not responsible for what Hillary Clinton does.
00:28:59.000If Donald Trump wins, then the Republicans, and to a smaller extent some conservatives, are responsible for what Donald Trump does.
00:29:06.000I would quite frankly like to see conservatives and Libertarians start getting back together and working together again.
00:29:11.000Well, why haven't they been under eight years of Obama?
00:29:13.000Why would it take Hillary Clinton, you know, for them to be the opposition party?
00:29:18.000Well, I don't know that we've necessarily been—there hasn't been that much disunity over the last years when it comes to Obama.
00:29:39.000If you have a Republican House, a Republican Senate, with a Democratic president, historically the growth of government has been the least.
00:29:49.000But it grows the least when you have a Democratic president with a Republican Senate and House.
00:29:53.000I don't know if we're going to be able to maintain the Senate and House, but I'd like to see us gather together to build the coalitions that would make that necessary.
00:30:01.000Well, and for all of his sort of protectionist policies, which we've talked about, you know, Donald Trump, he did come out and say this week he said he was going to cut the federal government by 25% right away.
00:30:11.000That's far more drastic in the sense of downsizing government than anything Gary Johnson has really put forward.
00:30:17.000So as a libertarian, what's your reaction to that?
00:30:19.000Or do you just think, well, it's hot air?
00:30:21.000Well, I think it's hot air, and the reason why is because, if you remember, before George W. Bush was elected, he wanted to make sure that the United States was not the policeman of the world.
00:30:31.000But then when it came down to it, he did the opposite.
00:30:33.000And we actually have seen Governor Gary Johnson govern.
00:30:38.000So we don't actually know if Donald Trump would put his principles into practice.
00:30:42.000Whereas we actually do know what Governor Gary Johnson did in New Mexico, and that was to cut spending, cut the budget, and he governed much more libertarian than any other governor in history, I think, save maybe one or two.
00:30:54.000Well, so you talk about not being responsible for them, but like you said, Republicans and libertarians have been united under Obama, and what's that gotten them?
00:31:20.000That being said, if you vote for anyone outside of Trump against Hillary, because like you said, you don't want to be responsible for it, is there some aspect of you're kind of playing chicken with the United States of America at that point?
00:31:34.000I mean, if you're talking about the federal election in the broad sense, a single vote is infinitesimally small in terms of the impact.
00:31:43.000What you really need to be focusing on are the local races.
00:31:46.000And remember, the president, whether it's Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, they only have a certain amount of power.
00:31:50.000They only have a limited amount of power.
00:31:51.000So if you want real change, you should be paying to what's going on in your local elections, because Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, either one of them, they'll both have the same amount of power.
00:32:12.000I'm like, gosh, the Supreme Court Heller, the Heller case, I can't see not weighing that as heavily as anything I've done in my political lifetime.
00:32:22.000Right, but the problem with that is that Republicans don't have a very good track record of picking conservative judges either.
00:32:27.000I mean, who was the Supreme Court Justice that gave us the Obamacare decision that codified it, right?
00:32:32.000That was a Republican pick under George W. Bush.
00:32:35.000There was a federal judge by the name of Richard Posner who said that the Constitution doesn't really apply anymore.
00:32:41.000He was nominated there by Ronald Reagan.
00:32:43.000So we haven't really had a good history of conservative judges being picked necessarily by Republicans either.
00:32:48.000I do think in the Second Amendment, yeah.
00:32:49.000I think the Second Amendment is such a strong issue, and Republicans, for all their faults, have done a good job of keeping their feet to the fire.
00:32:55.000I don't think you'd have a Republican or a conservative Supreme Court justice who would say that private citizens have no right to own firearms at all, which is what the dissenting arguments, right, were.
00:33:04.000A lot of people don't realize that what the hell are the case.
00:35:00.000It's enough Republicans because, you know, listen, it's one thing to say my opponent was in the gang of eight or supported some kind of immigration bill that I don't like it.
00:35:07.000That's another to say, as Dad might have killed JFK, it's hard to bring them over.
00:35:27.000And the difference is that with Cruz, it was much more of a wait-and-see and a last-minute thing.
00:35:32.000So I see the Republican Party is in chaos right now.
00:35:35.000But if the Republican Party gets destroyed and if Trump loses, that could be a good thing for the Republican Party going forward because that would show that the conservatives had the right argument and that Donald Trump and the nationalists and the populists are not going to be the future of the Republican Party.
00:35:51.000Because, I mean, do you really like Trump that much?
00:36:15.000It's easy for people like us who are so close to it to think that it's all this sort of nationalist populism.
00:36:21.000The vast majority of Trump supporters aren't that.
00:36:24.000I think the vast majority of Trump supporters are people who've been lifelong Republicans or people who feel like Republicans haven't gotten anything done.
00:36:29.000I think you have a loud contingency online who have Pepe the Frog swastikas.
00:36:33.000I was going to say, what about the racist fraud?
00:38:49.000I can't believe these didn't actually happen.
00:38:51.000Race remains a significant challenge in our country.
00:38:57.000Unfortunately, race still determines too much.
00:39:00.000Often determines where people live, determines...
00:39:04.000What kind of education in their public schools they can get.
00:39:08.000And yes, it determines how they're treated in the criminal justice system.
00:39:11.000We have to restore trust between communities and the police.
00:39:19.000We have to work to make sure that our police are using the best training, the best techniques, that they're well prepared to use force only when necessary.
00:39:34.000Everyone should be respected by the law, and everyone should respect the law.
00:39:41.000Right now, that's not the case in a lot of our neighborhoods.
00:39:45.000So I have, ever since the first day of my campaign, called for criminal justice reform.
00:39:50.000I've laid out a platform that I think would begin to remedy some of the problems we have in the criminal justice system.
00:39:58.000Okay, I know you need the black vote now, desperately, but isn't that an about-face, considering your husband's administration incarcerated more black people than anyone to come before him?
00:41:14.000I understand everything that you're talking about, but the people who, a lot of people who are Libertarians, will get aggravated that you were far more critical of Trump just now and a little more forgiving of Hillary.
00:41:25.000Even though there aren't maybe, there isn't as stark of a contrast as either one of us would like.
00:41:29.000I can understand people being like, well, it seems like these people want Hillary Clinton to win just so they can be proven right.
00:41:37.000The problems that I have with Hillary are numerous.
00:41:40.000She's talking about mandatory paid time off, but so is Trump.
00:41:45.000She's talking about people not being able to have their guns if they're put on terrorist watch lists, but so is Trump.
00:41:51.000So that's the problem, is that it's much easier to criticize somebody because with Donald Trump, again, with no legislative experience, with no governing experience, He's more of that wild card.
00:42:01.000I mean, with Hillary, at least you know what you're getting, right?
00:42:04.000It doesn't mean that I support her or that I'm, like, easier on Hillary Clinton.
00:42:07.000It's just that, you know, you give up on the Democrats.
00:42:10.000But when you have no hope for the Democrat, it's just a waste of time really criticizing them because pretty much everything that comes out of the mouth you're going to disagree with, except for the stop-and-frisk issue, which I do believe is unconstitutional and an abrogation of our Fourth Amendment rights.
00:42:23.000And that's the thing that Hillary Clinton is more libertarian than Trump on.
00:42:27.000So, you know, that's the problem is that a libertarian looks at both sides of these things and says you get something with this candidate and then you lose it with the other candidate.
00:43:09.000The Howard Stern thing, notwithstanding, that was kind of off the cuff.
00:43:12.000I would give him credit as someone who, I remember him and Hannity arguing a while back when Hannity was still pro-Iraq war, a lot of people at Fox News.
00:43:19.000I think Trump's been pretty consistent on that.
00:43:23.000Okay, let's say you give him that, but the question is, do you really believe him?
00:43:27.000Trump strikes me as the type of guy who would be willing to intervene around the world.
00:43:31.000He strikes me as a rather hostile character.
00:44:04.000The ism of you don't get to take away someone's fundamental constitutional right because they were put on an arbitrary list, even if you try to hedge it with, but we'll make it easier for them to get off.
00:44:14.000If they haven't been convicted of a crime, they don't lose their rights.
00:44:18.000And that's someone who doesn't understand the concept of a, not a civil right, a human right.
00:44:24.000It's an individual right to bear arms.
00:44:26.000And a lot of people will say, when they criticize the Second Amendment, they say, well, what about the militia clause?
00:44:31.000Well, if you actually go back and you read the Constitution on the base, George Mason, who is George Washington's hunting buddy, said that, I asked, sir, what is the militia?
00:44:38.000It is the whole other people, except for a few public officials.
00:44:41.000So that means that it's an individual right to bear arms to the citizens.
00:44:43.000And those are the type of rights that we need to be defending.
00:44:45.000But Donald Trump is not a defender of the Second Amendment by any means.
00:44:49.000But I think, again, with Donald Trump, he is so beholden on the Second Amendment issue that his feet can be held to the fire, and I don't think he'll do anything that would be anything other than pro-Second Amendment.
00:44:58.000Whereas Hillary Clinton, she's so beholden to donors and so beholden to the Moms Demand action that I think she would go as far left as she could on gun control, which I think would probably make her a one-termer, because that's the single losing-est issue, to use the word, of Democrats.
00:45:13.000But I do think that would be a big difference.
00:45:15.000Well, what would be better, to have two terms of Trump or one term of Hillary?
00:45:19.000Don't you think that we'd probably be better off with one term of Hillary?
00:45:22.000But what if the Muslims come to my house in that one term?
00:45:25.000I'm not willing to roll the dice with it.
00:46:01.000If Rand Paul had won, I would have never gone and run for president in the United States as a libertarian.
00:46:07.000I would have been supporting Rand Paul all the way.
00:46:09.000If Ted Cruz had won, this would have been a much more difficult situation for me.
00:46:13.000I ran because I thought, well, there's no way I think Trump is absolutely going to And so for me, it was a chance to give voters an opportunity to vote for someone who actually does care about the Constitution.
00:46:24.000But these two candidates, neither one of these candidates have any fidelity to the Constitution.
00:46:28.000So the Republican Party screwed up big time.
00:46:30.000You may have just tipped your hand there because you said, I thought Trump was going to win.
00:46:33.000A lot of people were saying, ah, don't worry, he'll fizzle out.
00:46:35.000Is that because you and I, we both worked at a former news agency, and you know the inside baseball, and Roger Ailes is now working with Trump?
00:46:45.000Or like, ah, he's going to get a push?
00:46:46.000Yeah, of course, because those guys have been buddies for years and years, and Donald Trump's on Fox& Friends every morning, their highest rated show, the cable morning show, and so it was pretty obvious, because it's called the Fox News primary for a reason.
00:46:59.000If you do well on Fox, then you've got it in the bag.
00:47:03.000Were you just laughing internally when everyone was going, oh, boycott Fox because Megyn Kelly didn't like Donald Trump?
00:47:09.000Were you just laughing at the implosion?
00:47:12.000And it's amazing what's happened now because here we see if Donald Trump loses, the word on the street is that they're going to start a rival news organization and combine forces with Breitbart to go ahead and try and compete against Fox News.
00:47:26.000And remember, a lot of our former colleagues had contracts like Sean Hannity that gave them outs if Roger Ailes is not the head of the institution.
00:47:40.000Yeah, I saw her on Facebook like three weeks ago, she did a live stream, and there's a lot of weirdness going on with that, because it almost seemed as if she didn't want to do that, because she was on Facebook, she looked real unhappy.
00:47:52.000She was like, well, I just want to keep doing the news, and so I'm going to start doing live streams on Facebook and stuff, and I'm like, damn!
00:47:58.000And that's new and improved, Greta, with the face work.
00:48:44.000Well, I think cyber security, cyber warfare will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next president because clearly we're facing at this point two different kinds of adversaries.
00:48:56.000There are the independent hacking groups that do it mostly for commercial reasons to try to steal information that they then can use to make money.
00:49:08.000We need to make it very clear, whether it's Russia, China, Iran, or anybody else, The United States has much greater capacity, and we are not going to sit idly by and permit state actors to go after our information, our private sector information or our public sector information.
00:49:29.000And do you think that using private servers to send classified emails from your basement would make...
00:50:52.000Actually, it's fitting that it follows because he's a big proponent of sort of immigration.
00:50:56.000That's why he can't get on board with someone like Austin Peterson, this multiculturalism, this feigning sort of, oh, who cares about the borders and immigration is great for the United States.
00:51:07.000And sometimes I think that, I'm not saying he does this, but when people on the right who are trying to virtue signal with that stuff, they're being intellectually dishonest.
00:51:16.000The current state of immigration with the United States, illegal immigration with Mexico is a horrendous problem.
00:51:45.000They're not necessarily Trump voters, but Hillary voters.
00:51:48.000The general voting doesn't know a whole lot about trade policy, doesn't know a whole lot about the tax code, beyond what affects them directly.
00:51:56.000But there are so many day-to-day interactions with the immigration situation, especially in southern states, people are frustrated.
00:52:02.000By the way, Andrew Bogut will be on next.
00:53:23.000If you're listening to it, it could sound plausible, what he says, but I've got some information here that might just smack you over the head.
00:54:56.000But if you could have some sort of an effect on, let's use the most conservative figure, 60% of illegal immigration by his own admission, how is that not significant enough to build a wall?
00:55:56.000It would easily be one of the single most expensive pieces of infrastructure in American history, costing as much as 20 Hoover dams or NASA's entire annual budget.
00:57:35.000But the revolving door for work is very different from a revolving door for entitlements.
00:57:42.000People are going through the revolving door right now and not paying for health care and not paying taxes and getting all of the social benefits, the benefits from the social safety net from hardworking Americans.
00:57:54.000It's never supposed to be a revolving door, and it's worse now because a lot of illegal immigrants aren't really coming here to work.
00:58:01.000Not all of them, but many of them are coming here and they're taking more than they're giving.
00:58:05.000It's not like working in New York and living in New Jersey.
00:58:37.000Listen, at a certain point, of course, immigration is going to start slowing down because Mexico has dumped a tenth.
00:58:44.000Ten percent of its population have moved to the United States.
00:58:46.000So at a certain point, you're going to hit a critical mass of how many people can leave their crappy country to a better country, the United States.
00:59:22.000You can see this sort of like a fat caterpillar in the graph.
00:59:24.000We have a problem with illegal immigration again, of course, and the problems that come with that, draining on the system, the problem of the social safety net, of fiscal responsibility.
01:00:10.000Why would we spend the whole NASA budget to stop 10%?
01:00:12.000No, you're spending actually a very reasonable budget.
01:00:15.000And we can get Mexico to pay for at least a portion of it if you look at the actual plans and tariffs and what you can do with the transfer of money.
01:00:22.000Donald Trump isn't completely unrealistic to get them to pay for a portion of it.
01:00:29.000And that would deal with 60 to 70-something percent of illegal immigration.
01:00:32.000But if you don't understand what you're hearing, you go along with them down that logic trail, and you follow them with false stat, false stat, false idea, false narrative, to the point where deportation is racist, and you get to call Donald Trump or people like us racist, people like me, who come from legal immigrants like my mom, who learn the language, who pay taxes, who are active contributing citizens, because Adam Conover told you.
01:05:36.000She is the worst part of the show, and I'm not just saying that because now I can't stand her.
01:05:41.000She's always been the weak link, and I just feel that this isn't...
01:05:44.000By the way, if you have children listening...
01:05:46.000We never self-censor, but I was, fun enough, on the Alex Jones show, they invited me on, and a lot of people don't know how to handle that.
01:05:52.000Listen, I go on anyone's show, whether it's left or right, and he's been very friendly with me, even though we disagree a lot.
01:05:58.000His kid listens to me, listens to this program, watches this program.
01:06:01.000A lot of people tell me, hey, my 12-year-old watches or listens.
01:06:05.000Now, we're never going to cater to them, and we've never done a show that's really anything much more severe than, I guess, PG-13.
01:06:13.000Like we said, it's just our choice of program.
01:06:39.000She took some revealing pictures, I guess you would say, on Instagram, Snapchat, whatever it is, and people commented, lots of positive, lots of negative, and so it became an entire commentary on whether the internet is sexist and how men react to it and about body shaming.
01:07:24.000So she put up these ultra-revealing pictures, and I guess some people commented in sexually ways and saying, hey, hey, you know, don't worry, this is just the industry.
01:09:16.000Now, I'm not saying men should sexually assault or act on these urges, but this was met when you upload these pictures.
01:09:21.000I'm telling you, behind the scenes with one of two reactions from men.
01:09:24.000Either fathers who have daughters across the world groaning because they can't let their daughter follow Ariel.
01:09:28.000Ariel Winter on Instagram anymore, or the sound of personal skin-on-skin contact for a bunch of teenagers in their bedrooms who are fans of Ariel Winter.
01:09:36.000We try and whitewash this, like, this is a sexy picture on Instagram or Snapchat.
01:09:40.000Oh, they have a picture of Ariel Winter above their bed.
01:09:42.000Let me tell you, do you have any idea how disgusting, how awful it is what teenage boys are doing with pictures like this in their bedroom?
01:09:56.000These people aren't looking and examining.
01:09:58.000It's masturbatorial material for tweens who watch Modern Family.
01:10:02.000Do you have an idea how disgusting the actual physical uses are for these posters that are printed out at Kinko's and you're mad about a comment on Instagram?
01:10:11.000You have no idea as to how disgusting the teenage boy male mind is.
01:10:17.000I'm not excusing sexual assault at all.
01:10:20.000But it's like if you put a piece of bacon on a dog's nose and he's the most well-behaved dog and he sits there, not saying he can eat the bacon, but you laugh or say he's a bad dog because he's drooling at the bacon, you upload a picture of your tits!
01:13:39.000So he goes, yeah, yeah, he's in the playoffs right now, and he's playing against the Cavs, and then Jared said, yeah, they just won, talking about the Cavs.
01:13:46.000And so I messaged Andrew Bogut saying, hey, we'd love to get you on.
01:16:53.000Like I said, if you don't agree with what the mainstream or what the majority is saying, obviously you'll get labeled whatever and people will say that you're not a nice guy or an asshole.
01:17:05.000I'm more than frankly okay with being caught in an asshole.
01:17:08.000I have principles that I stick to and I have opinions which may be wrong or right and I expect when you put an opinion out that you're going to have some positives and some negatives and that's a part of putting out an opinion.
01:17:17.000I can't relate to people that deny other people's right to have an opinion and then say it's wrong when it's simply an opinion.
01:17:28.000Because you're coming from Australia, where it's obviously not like this American right wing.
01:17:31.000You're playing in the NBA, where most people are obviously African American, or people tend to lean to the left.
01:17:37.000They discipline people for being politically incorrect.
01:17:39.000How does an Australian basketball player come to these principles and opinions?
01:17:44.000You must know you're an anomaly in that sense.
01:17:46.000Yeah, but first off, look, politics is politics.
01:17:48.000I'm not left, I'm not right, I'm middle.
01:17:50.000I have opinions on certain issues, but I think it's just a matter of being you.
01:17:56.000A lot of people, you know, I tweeted a while ago, whatever happened to this election, whichever way it goes here in the States when we have an election in Australia, You still got to get up in the morning and go to work.
01:19:08.000Yeah, and that's what frustrates a lot of people with that kind of stuff.
01:19:12.000Like I said, an opinion is not necessarily right or wrong, but it's someone's opinion.
01:19:17.000I'd rather know if I ask somebody if they like me or not.
01:19:20.000I'd rather them tell me, yeah, I don't like you.
01:19:23.000I just want to hang out with you anymore.
01:19:24.000I don't want to hear, oh, you know, this, that, this, that.
01:19:27.000That's kind of the answer that you have to give these days.
01:19:29.000I'm kind of from that older era of just tell it like it is.
01:19:35.000I'd rather that know where I stand and we move on.
01:19:37.000But like I said, I'm from a family that's a laborer's family, you know, that one day I was a laborer and I grew up around mechanical workshops and everyday people.
01:19:46.000So, you know, whenever I do have opinions, it's, oh, it's a dollar.
01:19:49.000So, you know, that's just a part of it on Twitter and that's why you get to have fun with it.
01:19:54.000Well, okay, so a good example, obviously, this week, LeBron.
01:19:56.000I don't know if you followed what he just said about the Black Lives Matter.
01:20:00.000He came out and he said, you know, I respect what Colin Kaepernick did.
01:21:21.000Not all cops are bad, and we need to come together on this.
01:21:24.000If he just came out and said, screw Black Lives Matter, I could get the reaction.
01:21:29.000But this is a reaction from people who are furious that he just didn't go full tilt in with Sean King.
01:21:36.000And I wonder if you feel like that's common with other NBA players, because a lot of them have jumped on him, or fans, if that's been your experience, or if it's just the press blowing it up.
01:21:47.000Like you said, I don't really have my opinions not too valid in it because I'm born overseas.
01:21:53.000I haven't grown up experiencing what a lot of teammates have told me that they experience, so it's hard for me to get into that.
01:22:01.000But like I said, I just hope we get to a point, not just in America but in Australia, realize that everyone's a human being and hey, if someone's got good qualities, it doesn't matter what uniform they're wearing or what their skin color is.
01:22:44.000You were in Milwaukee for a while, and now Dallas, so you're getting the worst of both ends of that.
01:22:49.000Yeah, and it's just, you know, there's people that get affected by that kind of stuff and deaths and beatings and all that kind of stuff on both sides.
01:22:56.000You know, the rebuttal that I'll get is that police are doing that to everyday African Americans that are just minding their own business.
01:23:03.000So, like I said, when it comes to violence, it's just so disappointing that people's families get taken away from them.
01:24:28.000A little bit, but in pro sports, there's a lot of bravado and a lot of acting when the cameras and the lights are on, but there's probably a handful, I'd say, in the league that you know you probably shouldn't push their buttons too much.
01:25:19.000Look in our league, there's a lot of holding, pushing, and then everyone runs in, and then once someone runs in to hold you back, then all of a sudden you want to run through that guy, and that's just how it goes in our league.
01:25:29.000I see that a lot, and that is where hockey players...
01:25:59.000I play physical brand of basketball, but I'm not going to take a step back, as most guys want in our league.
01:26:04.000But you just need to be careful that it doesn't end up into a boxing match.
01:26:07.000If they start allowing too much, all of a sudden there was times where some of the NBA games in the 90s spilled over into the front row, and that's what the NBA obviously tries to avoid.
01:26:16.000All right, we'll hold it, and we will talk more about this after.
01:26:22.000For breaking news on Louder with Crowder, I'm Perry Matheson.
01:26:44.000We take you now live to a press conference where NBA's own LeBron James is discussing the current state of police enforcement, race relations, and Black Lives Matter.
01:27:28.000I will myself always stand for the national anthem.
01:27:32.000And I do think it's important to conversate To continue to conversate about this discussion and understand it's not just about black or white or race.
01:33:03.000I think experiencing other cultures is a part of everyday life and gives you some life values that you can't pay for in school or university.
01:33:12.000I think it's just never going to end with the political correctness stuff.
01:34:05.000This guy, you have some serious nerve.
01:34:07.000I'll tell you what, when we are going to do the show on the road at some point, hashtag NeverDaily though, when we go to Dallas, I will personally give you his hotel room number.
01:34:21.000He's retired now, too, so he might be out for it.
01:34:23.000Well, he's looking for work, and I think someone would pay a pretty penny to watch this guy get his ass kicked.
01:34:27.000Yeah, it's funny, you know, you talk about Melbourne that way.
01:34:30.000It really is, I think now it's at the point where you can't even appreciate different cultures, and this is where, you know, the social justice, leftism, the political...
01:34:37.000You can't appreciate other cultures unless you say, also, I recognize X, Y, and Z horrible things that have happened to this culture at the hands of, you know, white people.
01:34:46.000And it really drives a wedge between people just wanting to be human beings, ironically for people who claim to be tolerant.
01:34:55.000Look, man, I mean, my whole family's from Croatia, from as far back as we can go.
01:35:00.000There was a Balkan war in 1993, which was one of the biggest bloodbaths of the last 30, 40 years.
01:35:08.000You know, so it was Serbia versus Croatia predominantly.
01:35:11.000I've got really good friends that are Serbian.
01:39:12.000How do you think you performed this week at the debate?
01:39:15.000Well, listen, okay, I can't tell you myself, but everyone else, okay, everyone else they're telling me, they say, you did such a tremendous job.
01:39:22.000People, they frankly, they can't believe what a tremendous job I did.
01:39:25.000It's not what I would say, it's what they're telling me.
01:41:33.000I'm not sure that I... But all of this, okay?
01:41:35.000The rig poles, the rig microphone, the light dusting of anthrax, it's all designed to take away attention from the fact that Hillary Clinton, okay?
01:44:05.000We talked last week about how Barack Obama went in front of the UN to say that the United States needed to give up some of its rights, needed to give up some of its freedoms in order for the greater good, which is people misuse the term globalist a lot, or people just throw it out there.
01:44:17.000It's like, well, I don't like where Trump lined up on the no fly, no buy.
01:45:00.000...past injustice and crimes against African Americans No need to be addressed with reparatory justice.
01:45:08.000The Working Group urges Congress to expedite the passing of all pending criminal justice reform bills, including the Add Russian Profiling Act, the Second Change Reauthorization Act,
01:45:24.000and welcomes the bipartisan support for the Sentencing Reform and Correction Act, with, among other things, proposed To drastically reduce the use of mandatory minimum sentencing.
01:46:17.000If someone can tweet me when you listen to the podcast, wherever you are, what does the United States gain from being a part of the UN? NATO, I understand the UN. It's gotten to the point now where there's no use for them.
01:46:29.000And why does the UN get to decide what the United States does?
01:46:37.000More black men are not being targeted by police officers.
01:46:41.000It's not true that there is systemic racism in law enforcement in the United States.
01:46:44.000White people are more likely to be shot by police if they've committed a crime or there's an altercation.
01:46:48.000We've covered this, so it's not even factually accurate.
01:46:51.000But even if that were the case, where does the UN get off thinking they can tell the United States that you need to pay reparations through all these social programs?
01:46:59.000And where are they, you know, where there's slavery still going on in African nations, in the Middle East?
01:47:07.000They're still throwing gay people off of rooftops.
01:47:09.000You have a lisp, you're going for a flight.
01:47:13.000Why aren't they demanding reparations from the African slave traders who stole them and sold them into slavery?
01:47:21.000I'm not condoning slavery at all, whatsoever.
01:47:24.000The United States bought slaves from African countries and African slave traders, multiple African countries, or they stole them from rice paddies.
01:47:34.000I did this at a video at Berkeley where they were teaching kids about slavery.
01:47:38.000And I said, well, hold on, I have a question.
01:47:39.000They said, you know, when the Americans stole these slaves from the old world and brought them into the new world.
01:47:44.000And I said, well, how many of these slaves, question professor, how many of these slaves were actually sold into slavery?
01:47:49.000They were actually made slaves in the old world.
01:47:51.000She said, that's a good question and I don't know the answer to it.
01:47:53.000She was teaching the class on slavery.
01:47:56.000That guy who was there in Barack Obama when he first started the race wars, the beer summit, that professor, black guy with the fro, I forgot his name, he was the one who came out, and I've written about this, I'll find it hopefully after the break, and said about 90-something percent.
01:48:09.000The lowest figure is 70-something percent.
01:48:11.000The vast majority of slaves were sold into slavery in the United States.
01:49:10.000A crazy person like this who was entirely ill-informed on the issue of law enforcement, she's read a Black Lives Matter pamphlet that was handed to her by Sean King, slipped in her PO box, and then she's going to sit before some committee, some trumped-up silly committee, international committee, and tell the United States that, hey, even though you had the bloodiest war, one of the bloodiest wars in modern history to end slavery, even though other countries...
01:49:36.000You need to create socialized health care to make up for your racism.
01:53:57.000It is not a system that filters out people who shouldn't be doing the job.
01:54:00.000There are some great teachers, but there are some absolutely horrible ones.
01:54:04.000So Elizabeth Warren, her argument, and any article I wrote about it at louderwithcrowder.com, their main complaint is that charter schools hurt, but they hurt local public schools.
01:54:18.000They should be hurt, local public schools.
01:54:20.000These schools, charter schools, were created to take kids out of those crappy schools.
01:54:25.000So of course it's going to hurt the crappy public schools.
01:54:27.000The only way these charter schools can take kids out of those crappy public schools, say it with me now, is if they provide better schooling.
01:54:36.000The only way the public schools are hurt is if there is an alternative school, a choice, that's better.
01:54:44.000So are we concerned about the school being hurt?
01:54:46.000Are we concerned about the teachers' union being hurt?
01:54:48.000Are we concerned about the kids' welfare and their education?
01:54:50.000So that's why it's hard to argue, because people go, oh, schools are hurt.
01:55:15.000They argue that, well, if these charter schools fail, which sometimes happens with charter schools, that's what John Oliver was talking about, they turn abysmal and they close up shop.
01:57:24.000Here's the thing too, by the way, the people I'm talking about with charter schools.
01:57:26.000This is a total rich white privilege issue because the kids who benefit the most are kids in inner cities who can go to schools that aren't in their crappy district.
01:57:34.000And rich white liberals, of course, are nearly always racist and they don't want...
01:58:31.000The only argument is over the solution.
01:58:33.000So, school choice, conservatives, libertarians, they're advocating school choice and rewarding, innovative, well-performing charter schools?
02:00:10.000I take some pride in this, that everyone who's ever been on the program with whom I disagree has either been back or has wanted to come back.
02:00:17.000Sorry, I didn't ask you, what's the best plug for you, Chris?
02:01:07.000You were on a hair trigger, and I was, because before that interview, people don't know, before that interview, we tried to call Chris, and he admits he had the time wrong, and then we had to bump him when we rearranged because we had another guest call in late, and so he was like, why is it?
02:01:20.000It got off to the worst foot possible.
02:01:20.000It got off to the worst start, and I will say it was not my proudest moment.
02:01:25.000A lot more yelling than I typically like, and we were like, we have to bring him back.
02:01:45.000Whenever I do something like this, I never want to be part of the din.
02:01:48.000I don't want to be part of the problem, which is the idiots on TV yelling at each other, and then I was doing it with you, and I walked away.
02:01:55.000I didn't even care that whether winning the debate, losing the debate, that didn't bother me.
02:02:00.000What bothered me was the behavior during it.
02:02:02.000It was you and I just screaming at each other.
02:02:05.000I just want to say that we've got to this place – and this is why we're currently in this situation now, I believe, in the country with who's running for president because the divides are so deep.
02:02:42.000With Mitt Romney, here's the deal with Donald Trump.
02:02:45.000They're lobbing out these accusations now.
02:02:47.000Some of the criticism may or may not be valid.
02:02:49.000However, the left has lobbed these same criticisms and screamed them they did the same thing with Bush, McCain, Romney.
02:02:56.000Romney was a racist, he was a sexist, he was an evil person.
02:02:59.000And like you're saying right now, even though I don't like him on some policy, no one can really believe Mitt Romney's a racist, evil, bad guy.
02:03:06.000No, and it's funny because my wife and I were watching the speech he came out and gave out Trump, and I watched the whole thing, and I had this moment of like, wow, this guy seems like an adult.
02:03:16.000He actually stood for something, stood in the face of everybody getting mad at him on his side, and he said, no, this is what I believe.
02:03:57.000Our drinking game was every time he mentions China, Mexico says frankly, truthfully, believe me, and not gay Jared is not a big man, and he was hammered.
02:04:58.000I think what you're talking about is important, the screaming, because it falls on deaf ears now, the screaming about Trump, because they've done it with every Republican ever.
02:05:09.000Yeah, so here's what I got, because I agree with that, and I agree the political system right now is pretty much rattled and broken a little bit, and I think what you have to do is sometimes you've got to suck it up.
02:05:19.000Honestly, there was a time – remember when Dukakis ran?
02:05:21.000I was watching Dukakis, and I was like, I can't vote for this guy.
02:06:15.000And that's why we wanted to have you back.
02:06:17.000Because that was, I think, probably the most contentious interview debate we've done on the program.
02:06:21.000And so hopefully people watching can see...
02:06:23.000Because if you watch the other debates I've had in the show, I think I have a tracker where people are like, Oh, Stephen was mad about something.
02:06:30.000So I think it's important for people to see that even if you scream and you get mad that you can come back on, you're obviously welcome, and we don't hate Christopher Titus, though I think voting for Hillary Clinton is a fatal error.
02:07:10.000The last four guys we had, Trump, who's like this mobster four-year-old, and I mean he's got the hands of a four-year-old, and he just says what he wants.
02:10:10.000But that's what we've lost in politics, whether it's Congress can't deal with the president.
02:10:15.000And I believe they're kind of – I mean for this party that just bitches about the Constitution all the time – You have to vote on the presidential Supreme Court nominee.
02:11:12.000And I think that's something that more people, if they understood on the left, especially coming from a socialist country like Canada, that it doesn't work just because you don't think the government can do it efficiently doesn't mean you don't want people to have good health care, doesn't mean you don't want them to have good retirement, doesn't mean you don't want them to be safe.
02:11:28.000You just understand that government is not the entity that can do it well.
02:11:33.000Well, you know, the government has a tendency to – the problem with the government, the ideas are great.
02:11:37.000The people – what screws it up is the people that come up with the ideas, come up with the rules, and everybody – a buddy of mine has this concept called half a glass of juice.
02:11:47.000The half a glass of juice guy, the security guard in the parking lot that's screaming at you because your car isn't between the lines, that guy's got half a glass of juice.
02:11:54.000It doesn't really matter that your car is an inch over the line, but I guess, could you repark it, sir?
02:11:58.000And then you got these guys that are really powerful people, that are the nicest people.
02:12:02.000Dana Carvey told me once, I said, tell me something about famous people.
02:12:05.000He said, the ones with real talent, the ones who know who they are, are the nicest people.
02:12:09.000The ones that are barely holding on, half a glass of juice, he said, those people will act like psychopaths.
02:12:13.000And I think what happens in government is we get – there's a percentage of people who are going to be douchebags and on both sides.
02:12:20.000And because we have the percentage of douchebags up there, they put more regulations, more regulations that don't serve the public but just serve their personal interests, and that's where everything starts to go sideways.
02:12:29.000If you could take human beings and let the Skynet computers just make the policy, I think we'd be a lot better off.
02:15:53.000And what happened is, once his ligament had scarred over and his knee had stabilized, then this sort of, I guess it's like silicone and steel, was loose.
02:16:03.000And it was rubbing up against, and so it caused irritation.
02:16:06.000I mean, his scar, his knee looks like Frankenstein's monster, but...
02:16:40.000So I know often, you know, I really appreciate people often send me these emails about the closing segment and how it inspires them for the week.
02:16:46.000I don't know if this one so much will inspire you, but the big picture here is important.
02:17:55.000We then talked about the UN now coming in telling the United States you need to pay reparations for slavery.
02:18:01.000Barack Obama went to the UN saying we need to give up our freedoms for the greater good.
02:18:06.000And then you have, of course, Elizabeth Warren and the entire left against charter schools, choice, educating yourself, illuminating new issues, new possibilities, innovation.
02:18:16.000Emma Watson doesn't want it in college.
02:18:18.000The UN and our president doesn't want it in the United States.
02:18:21.000The DNC and the leftist movement, they don't even want it in public schools.
02:18:26.000you notice a very disturbing trend of them entirely, not a little bit, entirely trying to control the discussion and the flow of information.
02:18:36.000That's what we've been seeing here in the last few weeks, and you see it with the elections as well.
02:18:41.000You see it with the way they cover the elections, the way they cover the debates, the way they cover Donald Trump.
02:18:46.000Whether you like him or not, no one can argue that their treatment of him has been fair in comparison to Hillary.
02:18:53.000That's why people like Andrew Bogut, who are in the NBA, part of the full-court sports press, where it is just, let's give Caitlyn Jenner an award for winning the triathlon as Bruce.
02:21:12.000These people, these safe spacers, the Emma Watsons, the Elizabeth Warrens, take your pick, the Sean Kings, they're not ready for that dialogue to take.
02:21:31.000When the floodgates open and people start talking about these issues, people are no longer afraid to be accused of being a racist, sexist, misogynist, xenophobic.
02:21:41.000Now that we can have these conversations, we always were!
02:21:50.000You don't have that safe space, but it's like training with a weighted bat, with a weighted vest.
02:21:54.000When you get in the real world, that's why invariably people become more conservative or conservatives are more successful and happier in the real world.
02:22:03.000They'd probably get more depressed if we had statistics on that.
02:22:05.000In the real world, they fare better because while these kids have been training their entire life to avoid the real world, you've been preparing yourself for it.
02:22:15.000So it's okay to go through a little bit of pain now.
02:22:20.000People out there, I know we have a lot of young kids, college students.