Louder with Crowder - A Gay Lib and A Straight Conservative Debate Deporting Illegals | Talking with People

00:00:00.000 I am of the belief that if we can help nine people and then one bad person comes in, I'm always worth helping.

00:00:07.000 I think it's worth helping those nine people.

00:00:08.000 What if we know that if you said you nine have to stay in Mexico, we know that that one bad serial rapist, murderer, and slaver would be out of business. 0.81

00:00:17.000 But we might know that, but we also don't know that.

00:00:20.000 So I think if we do a process like yours where you're saying, hey, we're giving you these options, we're making it a lot more fair, a lot less cruel, I think that's better.

00:00:27.000 I still think we need a lot more work on the side, but I think that is a significantly better system.

00:00:32.000 But the problem is currently that's not what we're doing.

00:00:34.000 And if I tell you, that's the exact system.

00:00:35.000 It's called the CBP1L.

00:00:37.000 Now, this summer from LA to New York, from Seattle to Dallas, has seen a pretty loud and sometimes violent pushback to President Trump's immigration initiative.

00:00:47.000 major developments during a second day of violent confrontations between protesters and federal agents who are out on the streets trying to round up undocumented immigrants.

00:00:56.000 Oh! 0.97

00:00:57.000 Oh, he got f***ing... 0.98

00:01:01.000 We are f***ing living through the f***ing decline of our democracy. 0.99

00:01:11.000 And you a***** are f***ing making history. 1.00

00:01:14.000 We are all in the right hand, we are right there. 1.00

00:01:18.000 Get your a** up by a f***ing tractor, a pump. 0.98

00:01:25.000 Hello! 0.98

00:01:27.000 Now, even though the policy remains broadly popular, something the media may not tell you, it has spurred quite a bit of debate amongst the American public, which led me to ask this question. 0.99

00:01:40.000 Can a, in all likelihood, let's be honest, here, gay black liberal and a basic conservative white guy have a productive discussion about ICE rounding up illegal aliens and shipping them back to their third world crap holes? 0.98

00:01:55.000 Well, I'm about to find out, and you are about to see, with Brian, this is talking with people. 0.99

00:02:08.000 All right.

00:02:09.000 What's your name?

00:02:09.000 Stephen, what's your name?

00:02:10.000 Stephen Brian.

00:02:11.000 Brian?

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:12.000 Nice to meet you, Brian.

00:02:13.000 Brian, do you live, work in Dallas or Dallas?

00:02:15.000 Yeah, because I live here and work here.

00:02:16.000 Were you raised here?

00:02:17.000 Yeah, I was.

00:02:18.000 You like it?

00:02:19.000 I do.

00:02:19.000 I love Dallas.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, because a lot of people have been complaining about the bipolar weather lately today.

00:02:24.000 The weather is horrible.

00:02:25.000 But I just think if you live in Texas, you accept that as a given.

00:02:28.000 It's just like how it is.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:02:30.000 Some people are like, we're going to leave.

00:02:31.000 I'm like, wow, I was from Canada.

00:02:32.000 We had negative 48 weeks.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, but I would rather have that.

00:02:35.000 I personally, you can deal with the cold.

00:02:37.000 There's nothing you can do if it's hot.

00:02:40.000 There's genuinely nothing you can do.

00:02:41.000 Have you ever spat into the air and watched it freeze before it hit the ground?

00:02:46.000 But I could deal with that.

00:02:47.000 I could deal with that.

00:02:48.000 Because at the end of the day, I could wear a giant puffer coat.

00:02:51.000 With this, what can you do?

00:02:53.000 Because even if I got naked, there's nothing I could do.

00:02:55.000 No, there's not.

00:02:56.000 Plus that then you also have to be on a registry, so we don't want that.

00:02:59.000 That's very true.

00:03:00.000 We wouldn't want that.

00:03:00.000 You know what, interesting, do you know that this, before we get into anything else, interesting factoid?

00:03:03.000 When they find people who die stranded in the wilderness, did you know that almost all of them are naked?

00:03:08.000 Oh, because they try and stop being hot?

00:03:10.000 It's just they get, they panic.

00:03:11.000 Oh, I have heard about this.

00:03:12.000 When you panic towards the end of your life, you strip all your clothing.

00:03:15.000 It's like a momentary freakout.

00:03:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:17.000 And it's just, which is probably the worst thing to do if you're in a jungle with mosquitoes.

00:03:20.000 But I mean, if you're going to die, I guess I get it.

00:03:23.000 I don't know.

00:03:23.000 You save in the corner some time, I guess, at that point.

00:03:25.000 It makes it their life easier.

00:03:27.000 So, Brian, we're engaging people's temperature on issues of the day.

00:03:30.000 Obviously, the news quite a bit, especially recently.

00:03:32.000 Immigration, ICE, deportations have stepped up.

00:03:36.000 What are your initial thoughts on that?

00:03:37.000 I'm personally very much against it.

00:03:39.000 I think really a lot of that stands behind my faith.

00:03:42.000 I believe that all people that are here should be treated like equals.

00:03:46.000 They'd be treated with love and respect.

00:03:48.000 And I just don't think, first off, the way we're going about it is wrong.

00:03:51.000 I think having people that are unidentified, a lot of times people can't even tell that they're officers.

00:03:57.000 I think that's wrong.

00:03:58.000 And I just don't personally think we have so many issues going on in the world.

00:04:01.000 My biggest issue is not the person who got into this country illegally.

00:04:05.000 Well, what would be your bigger issue then, if that?

00:04:07.000 Because that's the biggest issue to a lot of Americans in the recent election, right?

00:04:10.000 Yeah, but I personally am belief that that's just the media that has made that a bigger issue because I think things like environmental issues are a much bigger issue.

00:04:18.000 The fight against prejudice in this country is a much bigger issue.

00:04:21.000 Poverty that we're dealing with all over the world and in this country, the wars that we're engaging in, I think those are much bigger issues.

00:04:27.000 Worrying about immigrants who honestly are just helping the economy and trying to do their best and just want to help their family, I don't think that's really a big deal.

00:04:34.000 I mean, I don't personally care.

00:04:37.000 Would your opinions change at all if there was any new information?

00:04:39.000 Like, you said they contribute to the, I understand if you said because we want to be loving and your faith.

00:04:43.000 And I might disagree with the general precept, but I think it comes from a good place.

00:04:48.000 But if illegal immigrants, for example, cost taxpayers over $400 billion every year, they're not contributing. 0.97

00:04:54.000 There's a significant, when you talk about poverty, that's a big reason for the lack of funds.

00:04:58.000 I'm not sure the data I've seen hasn't seen shown that.

00:05:00.000 Because from what I've seen is that, first off, immigrants can't get any tax benefits that the rest of us get because they're not allowed to sign up for health care, social services that we're allowed to sign up for, and they only contribute taxes. 1.00

00:05:12.000 So if anything, they're helping build the economy and they get little to nothing out of it except getting to be here, which totally understand the benefit of being in America.

00:05:20.000 And you don't want to be in your country that may be violent, dangerous, or just like you're impoverished there.

00:05:25.000 So I understand it.

00:05:26.000 If I was a parent, I would also want to bring my kid here where there's just better opportunities.

00:05:30.000 I would too.

00:05:31.000 I agree.

00:05:31.000 I definitely would want to bring my children here.

00:05:33.000 I definitely think that there's a reason people want to come here.

00:05:36.000 I think it's a land of opportunity.

00:05:37.000 I think it's the greatest country in the world.

00:05:39.000 Let's say if, because I know we want, but if they were taking significantly more than they paid, and even taking away the two to five times the crime rate, and that doesn't mean all immigrants, but that does mean when you can't know who's on the books, obviously you're going to have more drug cartels around the border. 0.74

00:05:56.000 But they can sign up for social services.

00:05:58.000 They can use, for example, emergency rooms as medical care and then leave and not pay it.

00:06:03.000 So it's even the most conservative estimate from liberal think tanks is $150 billion a year to $450 billion a year.

00:06:09.000 Let's split it and call it $350.

00:06:10.000 Sure.

00:06:11.000 I think if we accept, I will engage because you engage with me respectfully, so I want to say engage with you respectfully.

00:06:18.000 And I appreciate it.

00:06:18.000 Of course.

00:06:19.000 So I say, even if that is all the case, I personally still don't think, I think it would be a hot button issue that we should focus on, but I don't think the way we're going about it is correct still.

00:06:27.000 Because at the end of the day, first off, The government spends, I think we can all agree on both sides.

00:06:32.000 The government spends money in terrible ways and so many other things.

00:06:35.000 On that, you will get no qualms from me.

00:06:36.000 Yes.

00:06:37.000 And so I think there's tons of other things that we could look at and be like, hey, we're spending money here.

00:06:41.000 Maybe we can focus on other things.

00:06:43.000 Because I think if we had a better immigration system that made it so immigrants didn't have to wait up to 10 years in most cases to get into the country, I think a lot of immigrants would love to be like, no, I'll apply.

00:06:53.000 I'll do the work and I'll get over here legally.

00:06:55.000 I think the problem is the system is so hard and people want to get here so quickly because, I mean, if my house was getting shot up and I didn't have the money to pay for my kids' medicine or things like that, and the only way I had to get there was to illegally cross another country, but you're saying I have to wait 10 years, I would also skip the rules and I'd be like, no, I'm not waiting 10 years.

00:07:14.000 My kid needs food.

00:07:14.000 They need medicine.

00:07:15.000 I don't want to be attacked violently.

00:07:17.000 So I think, I do think it should then be an issue.

00:07:20.000 If we're saying it is spending all this money, I think it's a really big problem.

00:07:23.000 Because then that money could be going to other Americans, be helping our country.

00:07:26.000 But I don't think at the end of the day, even if they are costing us money, I don't think that we should terrorize them in return.

00:07:32.000 A big thing of my faith is we don't, just because someone hurts you doesn't mean you hurt them back.

00:07:37.000 You show them love and kindness in return and hope that transforms their heart.

00:07:41.000 And so I would want to help them and be like, hey, we don't have to do these things.

00:07:44.000 we can actually help you be better.

00:07:45.000 Well, what would love and kindness look like as far as policy in dealing with I definitely agree with spending in inefficient ways.

00:07:55.000 I definitely agree as far as, hey, look, if my child was sick, I would lie, cheat, kill, steal, name anything to save their life.

00:08:03.000 But that doesn't make it someone else's duty to take care of.

00:08:06.000 And I think that's the biggest thing is I don't think me and you are on actually opposite sides of the aisle.

00:08:11.000 We have the same values.

00:08:12.000 It's just different ways of getting there.

00:08:13.000 And I think the problem is the media a lot of ways makes it seem like, oh, we're on completely opposite sides, but I don't think that's true.

00:08:19.000 I think policy-wise, in terms of making that happen, I think, first off, putting more money towards actually immigration reform.

00:08:26.000 Making it so people can do it quickly.

00:08:28.000 So that way we know who's doing it the wrong way, who know who's doing it the right way.

00:08:31.000 It makes it so much easier to section them out.

00:08:33.000 We don't have to be like, oh, are you a bad one?

00:08:35.000 Are you a good one?

00:08:36.000 No, we just know, hey, you came here legally because it's a speedy, expedited process that's done correctly.

00:08:42.000 Perfect.

00:08:43.000 I think also making it so we're not just putting people in prison or deporting them back to their country, but rehabilitation programs.

00:08:49.000 I'm a sociology major.

00:08:51.000 We learned so much about how putting people in prisons, just punishing them what they do, actually doesn't help.

00:08:56.000 Rehabilitation programs, which are showing them how to get better jobs, how to help their community, how to help others, that's so much better.

00:09:02.000 It proves better for the economy, proves better for the safety of the community, and it just makes their own lives better.

00:09:09.000 It doesn't prove to always be better.

00:09:11.000 I mean, if you look at New York, you look at California.

00:09:12.000 But those aren't great examples because they're still living under U.S.'s laws and systems.

00:09:16.000 We look at a country, there's two countries, I can't name them off the country.

00:09:19.000 I think I'm thinking of Sweden and Norway.

00:09:20.000 I think so.

00:09:21.000 It's like an Ikea showroom, their prison system.

00:09:23.000 They do a rehabilitation program and they've had much lower crime rates, much less violence, and a much higher recidivism.

00:09:28.000 No, not recidivism rate.

00:09:30.000 A much lower recidivism rate and a much higher rehabilitation rate because they're showing empathy.

00:09:34.000 Because even when you're doing something bad, you don't necessarily, you're not doing it because it's bad.

00:09:38.000 You're doing it for good reasons a lot of time.

00:09:41.000 So when you show people, hey, you don't have to do this bad thing, you can do it in a good way, I think people want to do that.

00:09:46.000 Because I believe that most people don't want to be bad people.

00:09:49.000 They want to do the right thing.

00:09:50.000 So I think if we give them opportunity, they will.

00:09:52.000 So I disagree with that.

00:09:54.000 Just, again, I don't know what your faith, I'm a Christian.

00:09:56.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 I believe that we're all very sinful.

00:09:58.000 We're born with a selfish nature.

00:10:00.000 And if not for God, at least attempting to perfect us, we definitely absolutely revert to our sinful and selfish nature and don't necessarily look out for our fellow man.

00:10:10.000 And that's why we need something outside of ourselves to teach us that.

00:10:14.000 I totally agree.

00:10:14.000 I think at nature we are all sinful.

00:10:16.000 But I think the great thing about that is God came, he died for our sins, and now his spirit lives in all of us.

00:10:22.000 Regardless of whether you've asked for it or not, a piece of God lives within you.

00:10:25.000 And then when you accept him into your heart, you are fully blessed and reborn new in his spirit, in his life.

00:10:30.000 And I think that piece of goodness you can see all over the world.

00:10:33.000 Even in places where there is so much evil, there is still good in people.

00:10:36.000 People want to be loved.

00:10:37.000 They want to be understood.

00:10:38.000 They want to help one another.

00:10:39.000 I mean, you look about thousands of years ago, before Christ was ever a thing, before anyone ever knew about him, people were still helping one another.

00:10:46.000 They were still caring for one another.

00:10:48.000 I think people want to be good people.

00:10:50.000 They just don't know how to.

00:10:51.000 And I think if we educate them, we show them love, we show them kindness, that they will.

00:10:55.000 And obviously, there is still going to be evil.

00:10:57.000 I don't think that will ever change no matter who's in charge, no matter what happens, unless God himself comes back down.

00:11:02.000 Well, at some point.

00:11:03.000 At some point, he will.

00:11:05.000 But I think at the end of the day, people want to be good people, and if we give them the opportunity, they will.

00:11:09.000 And I think that's a much, for me, a much better outlook than saying all of you are evil.

00:11:13.000 Well, I understand the outlook, and I do appreciate it, and I think it comes from the right place.

00:11:17.000 But if they're costing billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, and if it's two to five times the crime rate, and if we're at a point in this country where we can't know who's in, who's not, and it's a drain, like you talk about on the tax break, potentially the single biggest source of fraud, abuse, and waste that affects American citizens.

00:11:32.000 And I do appreciate you being very respectful, because sometimes people go, well, that opinion's racist.

00:11:37.000 People go, well, hold on a second.

00:11:38.000 I'm a Latino American who believes that we should deport illegal aliens. 1.00

00:11:42.000 There are a lot of them, actually.

00:11:42.000 They're supported overwhelmingly.

00:11:44.000 Let me ask you this.

00:11:44.000 We talk about evil.

00:11:46.000 Drug cartels.

00:11:47.000 Yeah. 0.80

00:11:48.000 So probably the most cruel people on the planet.

00:11:52.000 And no one goes through the border unchecked by the drug cartels.

00:11:56.000 Tom Holman, the director of ICE, the big bad boogeyman, he told me a story on my show where he said, if these people knew, even people just seeking a better life, for everyone you see, he said, I've looked at bodies.

00:12:07.000 He told me a story.

00:12:07.000 He said, what changed my mind?

00:12:09.000 We have to disincentivize illegal immigration. 0.99

00:12:11.000 Because as long as it exists, you will have horrible people taking advantage.

00:12:14.000 More slaves on earth than ever, over 40 million.

00:12:17.000 Told me a story of a five-year-old boy who was in the back of, think of a horse trailer, was left with an entire group of people to bake alive.

00:12:24.000 And there were three witnesses who survived.

00:12:27.000 And the boy was five, and his last words were begging his father to not let him die because he wanted to see his mom again.

00:12:32.000 And he found the father's body on top of the boy because allegedly some people thought if they dismembered him and threw his body parts out the small window, they could get saved.

00:12:41.000 There are rape trees along the southern border where they put panties up there as trophies. 1.00

00:12:46.000 They get enslaved where especially if you're a good-looking younger woman, coming over here off the book. 1.00

00:12:51.000 So as we all know, right, with the drug trade, underground trade, that's going to exist as long as there's an incentive.

00:12:57.000 And having porous borders and not deporting people, not showing some kind of harsh punishment for doing it illegally will keep them in power.

00:13:06.000 Is that perhaps something that you think maybe people don't look at?

00:13:09.000 I totally agree.

00:13:10.000 I think that is something that's really, really important.

00:13:12.000 But I think a counterpoint to that, I think all of what you said, very, very important.

00:13:15.000 We need to make sure that's not happening because that's horrible.

00:13:18.000 I think we should not be encouraging that.

00:13:20.000 But at the end of the day, I'm of the belief that if we can help nine people and then one bad person comes in, I'm always worth helping.

00:13:28.000 I think it's worth helping those nine people because I think, yeah, a lot of those people are going to be absolutely terrible and we need to make sure that we have restrictions that make sure that doesn't happen.

00:13:36.000 But nine of those people are just trying to come over and be safe.

00:13:39.000 They don't want to do drugs.

00:13:40.000 But what if they just said that? 0.96

00:13:41.000 What if we know that if you said, you nine have to stay in Mexico, we know that that one bad serial rapist, murderer, and slaver would be out of business. 0.78

00:13:50.000 But we might know that, but we also don't know that.

00:13:53.000 Are you saying if we know that for sure?

00:13:55.000 You're saying in this case.

00:13:57.000 I'm saying we have incentivized the drug cartels right now with our borders with Mexico, and we know for sure that if we have more secure borders, for example, we have far fewer terrorists coming in.

00:14:07.000 And I know neither one of us want terrorists to come in.

00:14:09.000 And we understand that not everyone is a terrorist.

00:14:11.000 It's only a few hundred, but we can't know.

00:14:13.000 But until we have some strict immigration laws and also make sure that people know it won't be tolerated, the drug cartel will be empowered and they commit the most evil acts known to man.

00:14:22.000 And I think I do disagree on the fact that they commit the most evil acts to man because I think there's so much evil we have amongst.

00:14:29.000 I will 100% agree with that.

00:14:30.000 Because I think there's so much evil here in America.

00:14:32.000 We can talk about some of the billionaires that hoard money, are hurting people's lives, like a lot of the healthcare CEOs that actively deny people getting the help that they need only because they want to meet the profits that they want.

00:14:42.000 I think that's just as evil as selling drugs and killing people on the street.

00:14:46.000 They're just removed from the killing. 0.85

00:14:47.000 I don't think it's just as evil as raping a five-year-old into capital.

00:14:50.000 I don't think, but not all those drug cartels are raping people. 0.50

00:14:52.000 A lot of them are just killing people, which is horrible.

00:14:56.000 Yes, yes.

00:14:57.000 But I think if I, what is the difference between a CEO at the top of the, I don't know, America building or whatever one of these buildings is called?

00:15:04.000 United Healthcare.

00:15:05.000 Yeah, United Healthcare.

00:15:06.000 And he's saying, oh, you don't get to get the cancer money that you need in order to save your child, so now he has to die.

00:15:12.000 I don't think there's any difference between him doing that and another person shooting a kid on the street.

00:15:16.000 That is just as evil.

00:15:18.000 He's just, because it's evil.

00:15:19.000 I think they're both wrong, depending on the context of the claims.

00:15:22.000 And I do think insurance companies, by the way, especially since, with the Affordable Care Act under Obama, gave them a huge kickback where you had to accept everyone, no matter the pre-existing condition, and they could hike premiums however they wanted, right?

00:15:33.000 So I think they've made a killing.

00:15:34.000 And I absolutely think we have a flawed system.

00:15:36.000 I was raised in Canada where we have government healthcare.

00:15:38.000 You're never going to see me advocate that.

00:15:42.000 It's the worst country in the world.

00:15:43.000 Oh, really?

00:15:44.000 I've heard it.

00:15:44.000 What we're doing right now, you couldn't do in Canada.

00:15:46.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:46.000 You or me could be jailed depending on who's in power because speech is not free.

00:15:50.000 Oh, well, that's the one.

00:15:51.000 I only had like one friend of Canada.

00:15:53.000 They loved it, so maybe they have a biased perspective.

00:15:55.000 Hey, if you like seeing these kinds of conversations outside of cable news, gotcha journalism, and social media, let me know below.

00:16:03.000 Comment and hit the like button or subscribe or really just tune into the daily show at 11 a.m. Eastern on weekdays.

00:16:10.000 Let's continue on with talking with people, or in this case, possibly Gay Bryan. 0.78

00:16:19.000 Even if we disagree, I will vehemently fight for your right to speak.

00:16:23.000 No matter you're not allowed to.

00:16:24.000 Oh, that's it.

00:16:25.000 They don't have freedom of speech enshrined in their constitution, so it's a very different place.

00:16:28.000 But I put many family members on the ground for socialized health care.

00:16:31.000 So we have a flawed system for sure. 0.84

00:16:33.000 And I think that a lot of these people are corrupt.

00:16:34.000 I do think there's a difference.

00:16:35.000 I know you're saying there has to be, and this is a theme where people say, okay, we don't want to be cruel, and I understand that.

00:16:40.000 What if there was a system, for example, if we could find some common ground, like, okay, if you're here illegally, because we don't know who's a criminal, we don't know who's a terrorist, we're going to give you the ability to identify yourself, to self-deport, give you the ability to go through the process, pay for a flight back to, and give you $1,000 to get started and try and come back legally so we have you on the books.

00:17:02.000 Would that be something that you'd be more amenable to?

00:17:05.000 I would definitely be more amenable.

00:17:06.000 And I think that's the point of due process.

00:17:08.000 And I think that's one of my biggest issues with these ICE races.

00:17:11.000 Not all of them, not all of them, that's the wrong word.

00:17:14.000 So many of them I've seen have not been a form of due process.

00:17:16.000 They've been taking people, they've been deporting them, and they haven't been getting a lawyer.

00:17:20.000 So many of these kids who are like five years old, only speak Spanish, are not even beginning an English speaker or English and Spanish speaking lawyer.

00:17:26.000 I think that's terrible.

00:17:27.000 I mean, how are they ever supposed to fight for their rights, get the help they need?

00:17:30.000 So I think if we do a process like yours where you're saying, hey, we're giving you these options, we're making it a lot more fair, a lot less cruel, I think that's better.

00:17:38.000 I still think we need a lot more work on the side, but I think that is a significantly better system.

00:17:43.000 But the problem is, currently that's not what we're doing.

00:17:45.000 And if I were to tell you that, that's the exact system.

00:17:46.000 It's called the CBP1 app.

00:17:48.000 Okay.

00:17:48.000 Right now, every, so the ICE is set.

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 You do this, we'll give you $1,000, a flight home, we'll show you how to go back through legally.

00:17:54.000 But if you don't, and you make the taxpayer pay for us to find you and deport you, then we're going to do it.

00:18:00.000 But also, I think that sets up.

00:18:02.000 That is the system right now.

00:18:02.000 I totally got you.

00:18:03.000 But I think the problem with that, first off, then we go back, okay, you got $1,000, you're back in your country. 0.98

00:18:08.000 Now you're going to have to wait 10 years to get back in this country. 0.97

00:18:11.000 Probably.

00:18:12.000 Maybe five if you get super lucky or something.

00:18:14.000 So it's like, yeah, that's a kind of a good option, but not really.

00:18:18.000 So I would be like, no, I'm not accepting that.

00:18:20.000 Maybe I can stay safe here in this country and just not commit crimes, do my own thing.

00:18:24.000 I think a lot of people would rather choose that because, yeah, I get ISIS saying that.

00:18:29.000 But they don't get deported.

00:18:30.000 They've been given a choice.

00:18:31.000 I don't think that's cruel.

00:18:32.000 I don't think it's, I do think it is cruel though, because you're saying here we can deport you back so you can go back to this bad place with a little bit more money than you had when you first left, but not really in a much better situation because we're just sending them off so it's not our problem.

00:18:46.000 And I think as Americans, since we are, say, we're the greatest country in the world, we have a duty as not only Americans, as Christians, to go out and be like, I'm going to help as many people as possible.

00:18:58.000 I do, but we're not even helping our people.

00:19:00.000 Do you think we'd be able to help them better if maybe we didn't have a drain of illegal immigrants to help? 1.00

00:19:04.000 I think there's a lot of other things before that.

00:19:06.000 I think there's like 20 other things I could list before we get to.

00:19:09.000 And I would probably agree with you on a lot as far as making government more efficient, but that's one of the biggest line items.

00:19:14.000 I agree.

00:19:15.000 And especially suppressing wages.

00:19:17.000 From all the data I've seen, it is a line item.

00:19:19.000 I am never going to say it's not one, but I think it's just so much lower than we actually say it is.

00:19:24.000 Also, so many of the illegal immigrants that come into this country are not even from Mexico.

00:19:28.000 They're from European countries.

00:19:29.000 They also bring just as many drugs over.

00:19:31.000 They're causing a lot of more crimes.

00:19:32.000 A lot of the actual Mexican.

00:19:35.000 Actually, from the data I've seen.

00:19:36.000 a lot from South America, yeah, but not many Europeans.

00:19:38.000 It's a very small thing.

00:19:39.000 From what I've seen, the highest percentage of illegal immigrants are actually from European countries.

00:19:43.000 They overstay their visa, they come for just random reasons, but they are actually the highest percentage of illegal immigrants that I've seen from what I've got to be wrong.

00:19:50.000 They're a higher percentage of visa overstays because many of them go through the legal process.

00:19:54.000 They'd also be an illegal immigrant. 0.53

00:19:56.000 But I would deport them too. 0.89

00:19:57.000 But I'm just saying... 0.99

00:19:58.000 I deport every German, every cocky German who tells us that our car is so bad. 1.00

00:20:02.000 I can work with that. 0.85

00:20:03.000 But I'm just saying, I don't think a lot of these immigrants, all they want to do, they want to come here. 1.00

00:20:09.000 I would argue to say, and I would really put money on it, seven out of ten are just coming here to make money, contribute to the economy, make their family happy and safe.

00:20:19.000 And that's really it.

00:20:20.000 They don't want anything else.

00:20:21.000 They want to do what every other American is.

00:20:23.000 Because America is a place of immigrants. 0.87

00:20:24.000 There's people that came here.

00:20:26.000 They said, I want to live the American dream.

00:20:27.000 I want to make my family happy and I want to make them safe.

00:20:30.000 And that's all I want to do.

00:20:31.000 Now, three out of those 10 are coming to do crimes.

00:20:34.000 I completely agree with that.

00:20:35.000 But also three out of those 10 Americans that already were born here, were just lucky to be here, are also probably committing horrible crimes. 0.68

00:20:41.000 So I think we can't, we act like the...

00:20:50.000 From all the data I've seen, they deny it.

00:20:51.000 Yeah, it's absolutely irrefutable.

00:20:53.000 And I can tell you because I'm familiar with the data you're talking about.

00:20:55.000 The data that you're talking about either comes from one of two sources.

00:20:57.000 Either all immigrants, immigrant, immigrant, immigrant, immigrant, they would be included in that, people who've come here legally, or one case study from a population of Texas.

00:21:06.000 When you actually do every single legitimate study conducted, looking and isolating for illegal immigrants at large, the lowest you'll find is twice as likely, as high as five times as likely in California.

00:21:17.000 So I can't speak on that.

00:21:18.000 So, and here's one, when I was doing this one time, and I say this because I think you're an empathetic person, there was a lady who came up, we had to blur her face.

00:21:23.000 Gotcha.

00:21:24.000 Because she was an immigrant. 0.61

00:21:26.000 And she lived in an area where there were a lot of illegal immigrants.

00:21:30.000 And they terrorized her.

00:21:31.000 And she could never call the cops.

00:21:33.000 And they were controlled by drug lords.

00:21:35.000 And she said, what can I do?

00:21:36.000 Because if I do, they're going to go after my parents.

00:21:39.000 So I think it's actually, my perspective is, first off, I don't think that we're morally required to take care of the world.

00:21:44.000 But I think it's cruel when you create actual victims through a forest border and incentivizing criminality.

00:21:49.000 Until we fix that, I don't think you realize the consequences for the people who are here living under the terror of those three out of 10, they take control of the whole.

00:21:58.000 From what I've seen, I just haven't seen anything to support that.

00:22:01.000 So it's hard for me to give you an opinion on that because everything I've seen has been the opposite of that.

00:22:06.000 Not opposite, but it just, they're not doing more crime.

00:22:08.000 They're really just kind of being here.

00:22:10.000 And also, so many of these ICE raids, they're collecting people that are going to immigration, like they're going to their, what's it called, court hearings for their immigration, and they're collecting them there.

00:22:19.000 They collected people at the Home Depot.

00:22:21.000 They were trying to go to the Dodgers game.

00:22:22.000 That didn't happen.

00:22:23.000 I saw pictures of it.

00:22:24.000 What if I were to tell you that was a myth?

00:22:25.000 They were changing a tire in the parking lot.

00:22:27.000 I saw pictures of them trying to collect it.

00:22:28.000 What if I could bring up a Department of Department?

00:22:29.000 I'll take up the Dodgers one.

00:22:31.000 I'll take it off.

00:22:32.000 And all the other ones do, but the Dodgers is one that I can pick up.

00:22:34.000 The other ones I've seen, the videos of them.

00:22:36.000 I'm sure they picked up some at Home Depot.

00:22:37.000 They've done it so many other places.

00:22:39.000 But I just think that's so, those people are not trying to do anything.

00:22:42.000 They're just trying to live their lives.

00:22:43.000 I just think at the end of the day, there are so many other issues that are so much more important than immigration.

00:22:49.000 I don't think immigration is something that we should ignore.

00:22:51.000 I do think it is an issue.

00:22:52.000 It costs us a lot of money.

00:22:54.000 It probably costs us, even if I agree with your point, it costs us a lot of safety issues.

00:22:58.000 I think there are so many, poverty is one of the biggest, if we could fix poverty, so many of our crime issues would be automatically fixed.

00:23:04.000 I mean, poverty is one of the number one things, that reason people commit crimes, because they just don't have money.

00:23:09.000 And so I think we could fix poverty, fix homelessness, fix food insecurity.

00:23:12.000 I think we would automatically make things better.

00:23:15.000 And so while we're focusing on immigration, I just think that's a, what's the word where you act like something?

00:23:21.000 No, no, no, there's a word where you act like something is the issue in order to fix something.

00:23:25.000 False equivalency?

00:23:26.000 Maybe, I can't think of it right now, but it's like, We're acting like immigrants.

00:23:30.000 You're very articulate.

00:23:31.000 It's hot, and I believe me I'm blues in my words.

00:23:33.000 It's not a computer.

00:23:35.000 I know.

00:23:36.000 So believe me, I get it.

00:23:37.000 I miss words on the panel.

00:23:38.000 I just think we're making it seem like it's the big issue, and I think it's because the media wants us all to think it's the big issue.

00:23:44.000 Because at the end of the day, if all of us came together when we're like, no, we deserve to not be able to, we deserve to not have to worry about poverty, about health care, about food insecurity, I think all of our lives would be better.

00:23:55.000 We'd be in a better place to help them.

00:23:56.000 We'd be in a better place to help ourselves.

00:23:58.000 And then we'd have significantly less issues.

00:24:00.000 So I just think, yes, immigration is an issue.

00:24:03.000 I think it is something that needs to be fixed.

00:24:05.000 I don't know the exact way to fix it.

00:24:06.000 I'm not an expert on it.

00:24:07.000 So you probably, you've done a lot more research.

00:24:09.000 You might have better ideas.

00:24:10.000 It's pretty simple.

00:24:11.000 It's seal up the border, which we have.

00:24:13.000 Yeah.

00:24:14.000 And deport people who are here illegally. 1.00

00:24:16.000 That's the only way to solve it.

00:24:17.000 And I understand where you're coming from, and I agree.

00:24:19.000 Now, we would disagree on the solutions with those, but here's the one thing is everything you're talking about, fixing, I would assume, costs a lot of money, right?

00:24:24.000 Poverty.

00:24:25.000 The difference here is we're talking about saving money, not spending.

00:24:28.000 We're talking about cutting out a major expense that Americans who may be poor, who may be struggling, shouldn't be incurring anyway, both legal immigrant Americans and native-born.

00:24:38.000 That's the bad.

00:24:39.000 I totally understand that, but then it's hard for me to accept that when then it's like, okay, Trump just threw a, what's it called, multi-million dollar marine and military parade.

00:24:49.000 That money could have gone to helping Americans.

00:24:51.000 We've done, he's redesigned.

00:24:53.000 He's redesigning, but he also spent a lot of that money.

00:24:55.000 He's redesigning the White House front lawn to make it a Mar-a-Lago patio.

00:25:00.000 That money could be used to help Americans.

00:25:02.000 There's so many other things that also could be used to help Americans that we're not focusing on.

00:25:06.000 So in my head, it's hard for me to look at that and be like, we need to fix this, but we're not fixing any of our own stuff.

00:25:12.000 So I think, yes.

00:25:13.000 Let me ask you this.

00:25:14.000 I'm trying to find a good point to leave on, because I know it's hot.

00:25:17.000 How about, since you're saying, okay, find stuff, that might cost a few thousand dollars.

00:25:20.000 You're talking about a patio.

00:25:21.000 The parade was funded by other companies.

00:25:23.000 No, I saw that.

00:25:24.000 Okay, it's not $400 billion.

00:25:25.000 It's not $400 billion.

00:25:26.000 I'll agree with that.

00:25:26.000 Would you agree with, okay, if you are here illegally and you have been taking Social Security or Medicaid or any, you're off.

00:25:34.000 None of you here illegally should be able to get any of that. 0.96

00:25:37.000 Oh, I said, if you're here illegally, I don't think you should be able to get government assistance.

00:25:40.000 But I think I agree with that.

00:25:42.000 But I think the issue with that is I say yes, but, because then it's like, once again, I go back to the issue of people that want to come here legally, but it is like the most grueling, hard, intense process to even try and do that.

00:25:56.000 So I think if we fixed the immigration system, made it more efficient, And then said, Hey, if you're here illegally, you don't get these things. 0.98

00:26:03.000 I would be 100% with you.

00:26:04.000 I would say, yes, you should not be getting these things if you've done a bad way because we've made it so easy for you to do it the right way.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, but then that's just saying, okay, let's just basically legalize crime.

00:26:15.000 I don't think that's a worse.

00:26:16.000 They're here illegally. 0.99

00:26:17.000 So should we deport people here illegally? 1.00

00:26:19.000 I don't think...

00:26:20.000 I think the problem with that is, though, you're saying, let's just deport the people here illegally, but...

00:26:27.000 I think we need to reform immigration first.

00:26:28.000 That needs to happen way before we deport people. 0.85

00:26:30.000 Because we need to stop.

00:26:32.000 You can't.

00:26:33.000 I think you need to stop the plug.

00:26:35.000 Like this plug of issues.

00:26:36.000 Before you start fixing.

00:26:40.000 If that's what is going to help them and us best, yes.

00:26:44.000 But if that's not what's going to help them.

00:26:45.000 But did you support it when that was what he did?

00:26:46.000 No, that's not what I supported.

00:26:47.000 But that's also, I was like, what, like 16 when that was happening?

00:26:51.000 So I wasn't like, I wasn't super knowledgeable on everything that was happening anyways.

00:26:55.000 I thought the Iraq War was a good idea when I was 15 years old. 1.00

00:26:57.000 So believe me, yes.

00:26:59.000 And so I just think it's not that I don't think that's a problem.

00:27:02.000 I think crime is a problem.

00:27:03.000 I think those drug people that are bringing in drugs are a problem.

00:27:06.000 I think if they're terrorizing that lady, that's 100% an issue and people need to be focused on that and worrying about that.

00:27:11.000 But I think the issue is that's not the biggest issue and that's not the, that's a symptom.

00:27:17.000 It's not the source of the problem.

00:27:18.000 The source of the problem is the fact that we haven't created a good system of government to help people that are trying to come in and then people that are already here.

00:27:25.000 And I think once we fix those systems, we have so much easier time fixing those other things.

00:27:30.000 I'm not hearing a solution from you on what to do with people who are here illegally. 1.00

00:27:32.000 The problem is I don't have a solution.

00:27:34.000 I just have, I know, because I'm not, immigration is not my, what's the word?

00:27:39.000 Interest.

00:27:39.000 I have a lot of other, you want to ask me about a day-to-day basis more than any other issue outside of potentially not true.

00:27:48.000 I would disagree with poverty affects the average American million people.

00:27:51.000 If you look at this last election, the top issues were the economy and inflation, which have been radically better in the last few months.

00:27:57.000 I would disagree with that.

00:27:58.000 Absolutely better.

00:27:58.000 And then immigration.

00:27:59.000 In other words, you may not like that that's a top issue for Americans.

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:03.000 But it is.

00:28:03.000 That's okay.

00:28:04.000 It is.

00:28:05.000 And so it is incumbent, and this is why I think there is a disconnect.

00:28:08.000 And I do think, and I would imagine you're more left and I'm more right.

00:28:11.000 It's incumbent upon the left to not ignore those people, to speak to those people.

00:28:16.000 And they're saying, biggest issue is immigration.

00:28:19.000 And then you're not, I would say you're not an outlier.

00:28:23.000 The left offers no solutions other than complete amnesty.

00:28:26.000 But that's also because I don't have the information on immigration.

00:28:28.000 You have more than Kamala Harris.

00:28:29.000 That's why she wouldn't.

00:28:30.000 I would disagree with that.

00:28:31.000 Oh, you're much smarter than Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:28:32.000 She's barely walking upright.

00:28:33.000 She's 80.

00:28:34.000 But I would disagree with that.

00:28:35.000 But I think the thing is, first off, a lot of people think that's the biggest issue because that's what we've been told is the biggest issue.

00:28:42.000 If I told you for the last 18 years of your life, the biggest issue is, I don't know, khaki pants.

00:28:48.000 Khaki pants, first, that's perfect.

00:28:50.000 Then you would think khaki pants are your biggest issue, but actually you may have a wasp on your arm that's stinging you over and over and over again.

00:28:56.000 But I'm not telling you about that.

00:28:57.000 I'm telling you, no, the reason you're in pain is because of these khaki pants.

00:29:00.000 I'm a white guy, so I'll always think khaki pants.

00:29:02.000 I'm like, it's got to be the doctors.

00:29:03.000 Listen, they're a good go-to.

00:29:04.000 You can always call them a pair of khaki pants.

00:29:06.000 But I think the issue is the media tells us what to focus on, and a lot of Americans aren't educated on what actually the issue is.

00:29:12.000 Do you think that the media is actually right-leaning and has been telling Americans that illegal immigration is a problem?

00:29:17.000 Or would you at least concede that the media is left-leaning and has been telling Americans who have a problem with illegal immigration that they are racist?

00:29:23.000 I think that's a problem.

00:29:24.000 Because that's why Trump was.

00:29:24.000 you see both on both sides.

00:29:26.000 I think you can look at, you can look at a lot of, And every single one with the exception.

00:29:35.000 I mean, every network with the exception of Fox News, who, by the way, I disagree with that heavily.

00:29:39.000 You think they were lean right.

00:29:40.000 I think there's so many more.

00:29:41.000 Also, first off, if you look at a lot of CNN, MSNBC, a lot of those, they say they're left, but if you look at any of their messaging, it is not left-leaning.

00:29:49.000 It's actually very, very centrist, and it really doesn't This was like part of my interest in college.

00:29:57.000 They're not nearly as left-leaning as people think they are.

00:30:00.000 It's just a virtue signal in a way that makes it sound like, hey, left people, come here.

00:30:06.000 But they're not actually left-leaning.

00:30:07.000 The right-leaning, you know what?

00:30:08.000 I'm proud of Fox News because they at least stick to their base.

00:30:12.000 This is our people.

00:30:13.000 We're going to stick to it.

00:30:14.000 I'm like, you know, at least you're actually saying what y'all believe in.

00:30:17.000 But the left, a lot of these other places, they're not actually left-leaning.

00:30:20.000 The actual left-leaning people, often their voices are a lot more silenced.

00:30:23.000 You don't get to hear a lot of these voices that are saying, no, we have ideas about how to reform this because they're shut down because we don't, a lot of people don't want those ideas because they're not the easy fix.

00:30:33.000 Can you name me any conservatives on MSNBC or CNN?

00:30:36.000 They're not conservative by name.

00:30:38.000 They're not going to say that.

00:30:39.000 I can name you avowed leftists.

00:30:41.000 Of course.

00:30:42.000 Every single person.

00:30:48.000 Jake Tapper, Anton, SNBC Red.

00:30:51.000 I'm naming a lot of people, I still don't watch those news sources because I just don't like that.

00:30:55.000 Oh, that's'cause you said the data.

00:30:57.000 So I'm just saying I'm just picking their practice.

00:31:00.000 I'm just saying when you're naming people, I'm not going to be able to say yes or no on them.

00:31:03.000 That's what I was saying. 0.99

00:31:04.000 Well, we both agree they suck. 1.00

00:31:05.000 I agree. 1.00

00:31:05.000 I think most news stations completely suck. 1.00

00:31:07.000 Dog shit. 1.00

00:31:08.000 I think they're basically all horrible because at the end of the day, most of them are owned by corporations that have their own agendas that want to tell you their specific things so that they can make more money at the end of the day. 1.00

00:31:17.000 I think we need, first off, more independent news sources that are backed by the people so that they can tell us the real truth, show us the real issues, and show us how to activate it.

00:31:25.000 How would it be backed by the people?

00:31:27.000 I don't know.

00:31:28.000 Taxpayer money.

00:31:29.000 Oof.

00:31:29.000 We could use that.

00:31:30.000 Couldn't be worse.

00:31:31.000 What do you agree with?

00:31:32.000 Say that.

00:31:32.000 I come from Canada.

00:31:33.000 Canada has a CBC.

00:31:34.000 You don't need to go to Venezuela.

00:31:35.000 CBC is a Canadian broadcasting corporation.

00:31:37.000 Last election with Trudeau, he had one party member say, I'll give $100 million additional to the CBC.

00:31:43.000 Trudeau said, I'll give $150 million.

00:31:45.000 Guess who won?

00:31:46.000 Guess who got the positive coverage?

00:31:48.000 That's called Pravda, my friend.

00:31:49.000 But I think the problem is we act like government funding is very, what's it called?

00:31:56.000 Objective, but it's like, if you look at literally any insight into it, it's so obvious that people are putting money towards things that they just want.

00:32:03.000 I mean, the fact that lobbying is a thing is to me one of the biggest crimes in America.

00:32:07.000 The fact that companies are allowed to pay money in order to influence politicians to do what they want, that's like 101 illegal.

00:32:14.000 How do we not have that problem with that?

00:32:16.000 I think we'd find some common ground there, especially for certain lobbying groups who are like, oh, there's so many.

00:32:20.000 And like, or like super PACs that are like funding these campaigns for all these politicians.

00:32:25.000 And it's like the average American.

00:32:27.000 Yeah, there's so many things that they're funding.

00:32:29.000 And it's like, we can't, I can't give, I think it's, what is it, $2,000?

00:32:33.000 You can't give over $2,000 to get a payment.

00:32:34.000 To a candidate, you can give to a PAC.

00:32:35.000 Okay, yeah.

00:32:36.000 Give more to a PAC.

00:32:37.000 You can give more, but that's crazy that I can only give $2,000.

00:32:40.000 But if I want to give it to this PAC, who's going to secretly support or secretly support them, then I can give as much millions as I want.

00:32:46.000 That's insane.

00:32:47.000 That's the issue we should be focused on because those people are actually really changing things in America, making things worse for people that actually need it.

00:32:54.000 Companies that are in charge, the billionaires that are in charge that are funneling money away from the working American, that's the real issue, not the immigrants. 0.97

00:33:01.000 Well, I think there's a reason that the billionaires in this country have pushed for open borders and illegal immigration because the interests are line.

00:33:06.000 Not most of the time.

00:33:09.000 More slaves on earth than ever because they love indentured. 0.84

00:33:12.000 One of the highest H1B visas.

00:33:16.000 He wanted that because it helps his company.

00:33:18.000 Once again, he's doing something because it's going to help.

00:33:20.000 I agree with you.

00:33:21.000 Elon Musk, it takes both sides of the issue.

00:33:23.000 He does whatever he wants.

00:33:24.000 I don't trust him.

00:33:24.000 Oh, I 100% trust.

00:33:26.000 But as far as billionaires, if you look at Bill Gates, you walk through, you look at even Elon Musk, they support overwhelmingly open borders.

00:33:32.000 They want to virtue signal to left-leaning people.

00:33:34.000 No, they benefit from cheap labor.

00:33:35.000 They want to virtue signal to left-leaning people, say, hey, look at us, we're doing the good, nice, left-leaning things.

00:33:40.000 But then on that behind the scenes, they're doing everything they want.

00:33:43.000 They're doing things that help them build more money.

00:33:45.000 I think we can both agree.

00:33:46.000 I don't want a government or corporations that do things that hurt the average American and make money and money for them.

00:33:52.000 I think the government and companies should be...

00:33:54.000 They're made by people. 1.00

00:33:55.000 They should be for people.

00:33:56.000 Yes, I agree.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, making sure they're not breaking the law, making sure they're playing by the rules.

00:34:05.000 That's the problem.

00:34:05.000 The base of American system is great.

00:34:08.000 It's just like we took it and went the wrong way with it in so many ways.

00:34:12.000 I think we can agree on that.

00:34:13.000 And I think, I know it's hot and I didn't have to get the pressure.

00:34:15.000 That's my feeling.

00:34:16.000 Brian.

00:34:17.000 Brian.

00:34:17.000 Thank you, Brian.

00:34:18.000 I really appreciate it, Brian.

00:34:19.000 No, of course.

00:34:19.000 Thank you so much for the presentation.

00:34:20.000 I love that you had a respectful conversation.

00:34:22.000 I really appreciate that you do.

00:34:23.000 That was probably the best one we've had all day.

00:34:24.000 So something was coming up.

00:34:25.000 I hope you have a great rest of your life.

00:34:27.000 Thank you, Brian.

00:34:27.000 I appreciate it too.

00:34:28.000 Get out of the heat.

00:34:29.000 It's insane.

00:34:30.000 Thank you very much.

00:34:31.000 Thank you.

00:34:31.000 Really great.

00:34:32.000 Thank you.

00:34:33.000 Well, what do you think about this conversation?

00:34:35.000 Was it productive because it was civil and exercise in frustration because facts kept missing each other?

00:34:42.000 Let me know.

00:34:42.000 Comment below and stay tuned for the latest installments of talking with people.

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00:34:55.000 America first.

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Louder with Crowder - July 14, 2025

A Gay Lib and A Straight Conservative Debate Deporting Illegals | Talking with People

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