On this episode of the podcast, we have a special guest on the show, a man named Brian. We talk about immigration reform and whether or not ICE should be responsible for sending illegal immigrants back to their third world crap holes.
00:00:00.000I am of the belief that if we can help nine people and then one bad person comes in, I'm always worth helping.
00:00:07.000I think it's worth helping those nine people.
00:00:08.000What if we know that if you said you nine have to stay in Mexico, we know that that one bad serial rapist, murderer, and slaver would be out of business.
00:00:17.000But we might know that, but we also don't know that.
00:00:20.000So I think if we do a process like yours where you're saying, hey, we're giving you these options, we're making it a lot more fair, a lot less cruel, I think that's better.
00:00:27.000I still think we need a lot more work on the side, but I think that is a significantly better system.
00:00:32.000But the problem is currently that's not what we're doing.
00:00:34.000And if I tell you, that's the exact system.
00:00:37.000Now, this summer from LA to New York, from Seattle to Dallas, has seen a pretty loud and sometimes violent pushback to President Trump's immigration initiative.
00:00:47.000major developments during a second day of violent confrontations between protesters and federal agents who are out on the streets trying to round up undocumented immigrants.
00:01:27.000Now, even though the policy remains broadly popular, something the media may not tell you, it has spurred quite a bit of debate amongst the American public, which led me to ask this question.
00:01:40.000Can a, in all likelihood, let's be honest, here, gay black liberal and a basic conservative white guy have a productive discussion about ICE rounding up illegal aliens and shipping them back to their third world crap holes?
00:01:55.000Well, I'm about to find out, and you are about to see, with Brian, this is talking with people.
00:03:58.000And I just don't personally think we have so many issues going on in the world.
00:04:01.000My biggest issue is not the person who got into this country illegally.
00:04:05.000Well, what would be your bigger issue then, if that?
00:04:07.000Because that's the biggest issue to a lot of Americans in the recent election, right?
00:04:10.000Yeah, but I personally am belief that that's just the media that has made that a bigger issue because I think things like environmental issues are a much bigger issue.
00:04:18.000The fight against prejudice in this country is a much bigger issue.
00:04:21.000Poverty that we're dealing with all over the world and in this country, the wars that we're engaging in, I think those are much bigger issues.
00:04:27.000Worrying about immigrants who honestly are just helping the economy and trying to do their best and just want to help their family, I don't think that's really a big deal.
00:04:37.000Would your opinions change at all if there was any new information?
00:04:39.000Like, you said they contribute to the, I understand if you said because we want to be loving and your faith.
00:04:43.000And I might disagree with the general precept, but I think it comes from a good place.
00:04:48.000But if illegal immigrants, for example, cost taxpayers over $400 billion every year, they're not contributing.
00:04:54.000There's a significant, when you talk about poverty, that's a big reason for the lack of funds.
00:04:58.000I'm not sure the data I've seen hasn't seen shown that.
00:05:00.000Because from what I've seen is that, first off, immigrants can't get any tax benefits that the rest of us get because they're not allowed to sign up for health care, social services that we're allowed to sign up for, and they only contribute taxes.
00:05:12.000So if anything, they're helping build the economy and they get little to nothing out of it except getting to be here, which totally understand the benefit of being in America.
00:05:20.000And you don't want to be in your country that may be violent, dangerous, or just like you're impoverished there.
00:05:37.000I think it's the greatest country in the world.
00:05:39.000Let's say if, because I know we want, but if they were taking significantly more than they paid, and even taking away the two to five times the crime rate, and that doesn't mean all immigrants, but that does mean when you can't know who's on the books, obviously you're going to have more drug cartels around the border.
00:05:56.000But they can sign up for social services.
00:05:58.000They can use, for example, emergency rooms as medical care and then leave and not pay it.
00:06:03.000So it's even the most conservative estimate from liberal think tanks is $150 billion a year to $450 billion a year.
00:06:19.000So I say, even if that is all the case, I personally still don't think, I think it would be a hot button issue that we should focus on, but I don't think the way we're going about it is correct still.
00:06:27.000Because at the end of the day, first off, The government spends, I think we can all agree on both sides.
00:06:32.000The government spends money in terrible ways and so many other things.
00:06:35.000On that, you will get no qualms from me.
00:06:43.000Because I think if we had a better immigration system that made it so immigrants didn't have to wait up to 10 years in most cases to get into the country, I think a lot of immigrants would love to be like, no, I'll apply.
00:06:53.000I'll do the work and I'll get over here legally.
00:06:55.000I think the problem is the system is so hard and people want to get here so quickly because, I mean, if my house was getting shot up and I didn't have the money to pay for my kids' medicine or things like that, and the only way I had to get there was to illegally cross another country, but you're saying I have to wait 10 years, I would also skip the rules and I'd be like, no, I'm not waiting 10 years.
00:08:12.000It's just different ways of getting there.
00:08:13.000And I think the problem is the media a lot of ways makes it seem like, oh, we're on completely opposite sides, but I don't think that's true.
00:08:19.000I think policy-wise, in terms of making that happen, I think, first off, putting more money towards actually immigration reform.
00:08:26.000Making it so people can do it quickly.
00:08:28.000So that way we know who's doing it the wrong way, who know who's doing it the right way.
00:08:31.000It makes it so much easier to section them out.
00:08:33.000We don't have to be like, oh, are you a bad one?
00:08:51.000We learned so much about how putting people in prisons, just punishing them what they do, actually doesn't help.
00:08:56.000Rehabilitation programs, which are showing them how to get better jobs, how to help their community, how to help others, that's so much better.
00:09:02.000It proves better for the economy, proves better for the safety of the community, and it just makes their own lives better.
00:10:00.000And if not for God, at least attempting to perfect us, we definitely absolutely revert to our sinful and selfish nature and don't necessarily look out for our fellow man.
00:10:10.000And that's why we need something outside of ourselves to teach us that.
00:10:39.000I mean, you look about thousands of years ago, before Christ was ever a thing, before anyone ever knew about him, people were still helping one another.
00:10:46.000They were still caring for one another.
00:10:48.000I think people want to be good people.
00:11:05.000But I think at the end of the day, people want to be good people, and if we give them the opportunity, they will.
00:11:09.000And I think that's a much, for me, a much better outlook than saying all of you are evil.
00:11:13.000Well, I understand the outlook, and I do appreciate it, and I think it comes from the right place.
00:11:17.000But if they're costing billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, and if it's two to five times the crime rate, and if we're at a point in this country where we can't know who's in, who's not, and it's a drain, like you talk about on the tax break, potentially the single biggest source of fraud, abuse, and waste that affects American citizens.
00:11:32.000And I do appreciate you being very respectful, because sometimes people go, well, that opinion's racist.
00:11:48.000So probably the most cruel people on the planet.
00:11:52.000And no one goes through the border unchecked by the drug cartels.
00:11:56.000Tom Holman, the director of ICE, the big bad boogeyman, he told me a story on my show where he said, if these people knew, even people just seeking a better life, for everyone you see, he said, I've looked at bodies.
00:12:09.000We have to disincentivize illegal immigration.
00:12:11.000Because as long as it exists, you will have horrible people taking advantage.
00:12:14.000More slaves on earth than ever, over 40 million.
00:12:17.000Told me a story of a five-year-old boy who was in the back of, think of a horse trailer, was left with an entire group of people to bake alive.
00:12:24.000And there were three witnesses who survived.
00:12:27.000And the boy was five, and his last words were begging his father to not let him die because he wanted to see his mom again.
00:12:32.000And he found the father's body on top of the boy because allegedly some people thought if they dismembered him and threw his body parts out the small window, they could get saved.
00:12:41.000There are rape trees along the southern border where they put panties up there as trophies.
00:12:46.000They get enslaved where especially if you're a good-looking younger woman, coming over here off the book.
00:12:51.000So as we all know, right, with the drug trade, underground trade, that's going to exist as long as there's an incentive.
00:12:57.000And having porous borders and not deporting people, not showing some kind of harsh punishment for doing it illegally will keep them in power.
00:13:06.000Is that perhaps something that you think maybe people don't look at?
00:13:10.000I think that is something that's really, really important.
00:13:12.000But I think a counterpoint to that, I think all of what you said, very, very important.
00:13:15.000We need to make sure that's not happening because that's horrible.
00:13:18.000I think we should not be encouraging that.
00:13:20.000But at the end of the day, I'm of the belief that if we can help nine people and then one bad person comes in, I'm always worth helping.
00:13:28.000I think it's worth helping those nine people because I think, yeah, a lot of those people are going to be absolutely terrible and we need to make sure that we have restrictions that make sure that doesn't happen.
00:13:36.000But nine of those people are just trying to come over and be safe.
00:13:41.000What if we know that if you said, you nine have to stay in Mexico, we know that that one bad serial rapist, murderer, and slaver would be out of business.
00:13:50.000But we might know that, but we also don't know that.
00:13:53.000Are you saying if we know that for sure?
00:13:57.000I'm saying we have incentivized the drug cartels right now with our borders with Mexico, and we know for sure that if we have more secure borders, for example, we have far fewer terrorists coming in.
00:14:07.000And I know neither one of us want terrorists to come in.
00:14:09.000And we understand that not everyone is a terrorist.
00:14:11.000It's only a few hundred, but we can't know.
00:14:13.000But until we have some strict immigration laws and also make sure that people know it won't be tolerated, the drug cartel will be empowered and they commit the most evil acts known to man.
00:14:22.000And I think I do disagree on the fact that they commit the most evil acts to man because I think there's so much evil we have amongst.
00:14:30.000Because I think there's so much evil here in America.
00:14:32.000We can talk about some of the billionaires that hoard money, are hurting people's lives, like a lot of the healthcare CEOs that actively deny people getting the help that they need only because they want to meet the profits that they want.
00:14:42.000I think that's just as evil as selling drugs and killing people on the street.
00:14:46.000They're just removed from the killing.
00:14:47.000I don't think it's just as evil as raping a five-year-old into capital.
00:14:50.000I don't think, but not all those drug cartels are raping people.
00:14:52.000A lot of them are just killing people, which is horrible.
00:14:57.000But I think if I, what is the difference between a CEO at the top of the, I don't know, America building or whatever one of these buildings is called?
00:15:19.000I think they're both wrong, depending on the context of the claims.
00:15:22.000And I do think insurance companies, by the way, especially since, with the Affordable Care Act under Obama, gave them a huge kickback where you had to accept everyone, no matter the pre-existing condition, and they could hike premiums however they wanted, right?
00:16:35.000I know you're saying there has to be, and this is a theme where people say, okay, we don't want to be cruel, and I understand that.
00:16:40.000What if there was a system, for example, if we could find some common ground, like, okay, if you're here illegally, because we don't know who's a criminal, we don't know who's a terrorist, we're going to give you the ability to identify yourself, to self-deport, give you the ability to go through the process, pay for a flight back to, and give you $1,000 to get started and try and come back legally so we have you on the books.
00:17:02.000Would that be something that you'd be more amenable to?
00:17:06.000And I think that's the point of due process.
00:17:08.000And I think that's one of my biggest issues with these ICE races.
00:17:11.000Not all of them, not all of them, that's the wrong word.
00:17:14.000So many of them I've seen have not been a form of due process.
00:17:16.000They've been taking people, they've been deporting them, and they haven't been getting a lawyer.
00:17:20.000So many of these kids who are like five years old, only speak Spanish, are not even beginning an English speaker or English and Spanish speaking lawyer.
00:17:27.000I mean, how are they ever supposed to fight for their rights, get the help they need?
00:17:30.000So I think if we do a process like yours where you're saying, hey, we're giving you these options, we're making it a lot more fair, a lot less cruel, I think that's better.
00:17:38.000I still think we need a lot more work on the side, but I think that is a significantly better system.
00:17:43.000But the problem is, currently that's not what we're doing.
00:17:45.000And if I were to tell you that, that's the exact system.
00:18:32.000I don't think it's, I do think it is cruel though, because you're saying here we can deport you back so you can go back to this bad place with a little bit more money than you had when you first left, but not really in a much better situation because we're just sending them off so it's not our problem.
00:18:46.000And I think as Americans, since we are, say, we're the greatest country in the world, we have a duty as not only Americans, as Christians, to go out and be like, I'm going to help as many people as possible.
00:18:58.000I do, but we're not even helping our people.
00:19:00.000Do you think we'd be able to help them better if maybe we didn't have a drain of illegal immigrants to help?
00:19:04.000I think there's a lot of other things before that.
00:19:06.000I think there's like 20 other things I could list before we get to.
00:19:09.000And I would probably agree with you on a lot as far as making government more efficient, but that's one of the biggest line items.
00:19:39.000From what I've seen, the highest percentage of illegal immigrants are actually from European countries.
00:19:43.000They overstay their visa, they come for just random reasons, but they are actually the highest percentage of illegal immigrants that I've seen from what I've got to be wrong.
00:19:50.000They're a higher percentage of visa overstays because many of them go through the legal process.
00:20:03.000But I'm just saying, I don't think a lot of these immigrants, all they want to do, they want to come here.
00:20:09.000I would argue to say, and I would really put money on it, seven out of ten are just coming here to make money, contribute to the economy, make their family happy and safe.
00:20:35.000But also three out of those 10 Americans that already were born here, were just lucky to be here, are also probably committing horrible crimes.
00:20:41.000So I think we can't, we act like the...
00:20:50.000From all the data I've seen, they deny it.
00:20:53.000And I can tell you because I'm familiar with the data you're talking about.
00:20:55.000The data that you're talking about either comes from one of two sources.
00:20:57.000Either all immigrants, immigrant, immigrant, immigrant, immigrant, they would be included in that, people who've come here legally, or one case study from a population of Texas.
00:21:06.000When you actually do every single legitimate study conducted, looking and isolating for illegal immigrants at large, the lowest you'll find is twice as likely, as high as five times as likely in California.
00:21:18.000So, and here's one, when I was doing this one time, and I say this because I think you're an empathetic person, there was a lady who came up, we had to blur her face.
00:21:36.000Because if I do, they're going to go after my parents.
00:21:39.000So I think it's actually, my perspective is, first off, I don't think that we're morally required to take care of the world.
00:21:44.000But I think it's cruel when you create actual victims through a forest border and incentivizing criminality.
00:21:49.000Until we fix that, I don't think you realize the consequences for the people who are here living under the terror of those three out of 10, they take control of the whole.
00:21:58.000From what I've seen, I just haven't seen anything to support that.
00:22:01.000So it's hard for me to give you an opinion on that because everything I've seen has been the opposite of that.
00:22:06.000Not opposite, but it just, they're not doing more crime.
00:22:08.000They're really just kind of being here.
00:22:10.000And also, so many of these ICE raids, they're collecting people that are going to immigration, like they're going to their, what's it called, court hearings for their immigration, and they're collecting them there.
00:22:19.000They collected people at the Home Depot.
00:22:21.000They were trying to go to the Dodgers game.
00:22:54.000It probably costs us, even if I agree with your point, it costs us a lot of safety issues.
00:22:58.000I think there are so many, poverty is one of the biggest, if we could fix poverty, so many of our crime issues would be automatically fixed.
00:23:04.000I mean, poverty is one of the number one things, that reason people commit crimes, because they just don't have money.
00:23:09.000And so I think we could fix poverty, fix homelessness, fix food insecurity.
00:23:12.000I think we would automatically make things better.
00:23:15.000And so while we're focusing on immigration, I just think that's a, what's the word where you act like something?
00:23:21.000No, no, no, there's a word where you act like something is the issue in order to fix something.
00:23:38.000I just think we're making it seem like it's the big issue, and I think it's because the media wants us all to think it's the big issue.
00:23:44.000Because at the end of the day, if all of us came together when we're like, no, we deserve to not be able to, we deserve to not have to worry about poverty, about health care, about food insecurity, I think all of our lives would be better.
00:23:55.000We'd be in a better place to help them.
00:23:56.000We'd be in a better place to help ourselves.
00:23:58.000And then we'd have significantly less issues.
00:24:00.000So I just think, yes, immigration is an issue.
00:24:03.000I think it is something that needs to be fixed.
00:24:17.000And I understand where you're coming from, and I agree.
00:24:19.000Now, we would disagree on the solutions with those, but here's the one thing is everything you're talking about, fixing, I would assume, costs a lot of money, right?
00:24:25.000The difference here is we're talking about saving money, not spending.
00:24:28.000We're talking about cutting out a major expense that Americans who may be poor, who may be struggling, shouldn't be incurring anyway, both legal immigrant Americans and native-born.
00:24:39.000I totally understand that, but then it's hard for me to accept that when then it's like, okay, Trump just threw a, what's it called, multi-million dollar marine and military parade.
00:24:49.000That money could have gone to helping Americans.
00:25:42.000But I think the issue with that is I say yes, but, because then it's like, once again, I go back to the issue of people that want to come here legally, but it is like the most grueling, hard, intense process to even try and do that.
00:25:56.000So I think if we fixed the immigration system, made it more efficient, And then said, Hey, if you're here illegally, you don't get these things.
00:26:04.000I would say, yes, you should not be getting these things if you've done a bad way because we've made it so easy for you to do it the right way.
00:26:12.000Yeah, but then that's just saying, okay, let's just basically legalize crime.
00:27:18.000The source of the problem is the fact that we haven't created a good system of government to help people that are trying to come in and then people that are already here.
00:27:25.000And I think once we fix those systems, we have so much easier time fixing those other things.
00:27:30.000I'm not hearing a solution from you on what to do with people who are here illegally.
00:27:32.000The problem is I don't have a solution.
00:27:34.000I just have, I know, because I'm not, immigration is not my, what's the word?
00:28:35.000But I think the thing is, first off, a lot of people think that's the biggest issue because that's what we've been told is the biggest issue.
00:28:42.000If I told you for the last 18 years of your life, the biggest issue is, I don't know, khaki pants.
00:28:50.000Then you would think khaki pants are your biggest issue, but actually you may have a wasp on your arm that's stinging you over and over and over again.
00:29:04.000You can always call them a pair of khaki pants.
00:29:06.000But I think the issue is the media tells us what to focus on, and a lot of Americans aren't educated on what actually the issue is.
00:29:12.000Do you think that the media is actually right-leaning and has been telling Americans that illegal immigration is a problem?
00:29:17.000Or would you at least concede that the media is left-leaning and has been telling Americans who have a problem with illegal immigration that they are racist?
00:29:41.000Also, first off, if you look at a lot of CNN, MSNBC, a lot of those, they say they're left, but if you look at any of their messaging, it is not left-leaning.
00:29:49.000It's actually very, very centrist, and it really doesn't This was like part of my interest in college.
00:29:57.000They're not nearly as left-leaning as people think they are.
00:30:00.000It's just a virtue signal in a way that makes it sound like, hey, left people, come here.
00:30:06.000But they're not actually left-leaning.
00:30:14.000I'm like, you know, at least you're actually saying what y'all believe in.
00:30:17.000But the left, a lot of these other places, they're not actually left-leaning.
00:30:20.000The actual left-leaning people, often their voices are a lot more silenced.
00:30:23.000You don't get to hear a lot of these voices that are saying, no, we have ideas about how to reform this because they're shut down because we don't, a lot of people don't want those ideas because they're not the easy fix.
00:30:33.000Can you name me any conservatives on MSNBC or CNN?
00:31:08.000I think they're basically all horrible because at the end of the day, most of them are owned by corporations that have their own agendas that want to tell you their specific things so that they can make more money at the end of the day.
00:31:17.000I think we need, first off, more independent news sources that are backed by the people so that they can tell us the real truth, show us the real issues, and show us how to activate it.
00:31:49.000But I think the problem is we act like government funding is very, what's it called?
00:31:56.000Objective, but it's like, if you look at literally any insight into it, it's so obvious that people are putting money towards things that they just want.
00:32:03.000I mean, the fact that lobbying is a thing is to me one of the biggest crimes in America.
00:32:07.000The fact that companies are allowed to pay money in order to influence politicians to do what they want, that's like 101 illegal.
00:32:14.000How do we not have that problem with that?
00:32:16.000I think we'd find some common ground there, especially for certain lobbying groups who are like, oh, there's so many.
00:32:20.000And like, or like super PACs that are like funding these campaigns for all these politicians.
00:32:37.000You can give more, but that's crazy that I can only give $2,000.
00:32:40.000But if I want to give it to this PAC, who's going to secretly support or secretly support them, then I can give as much millions as I want.
00:32:47.000That's the issue we should be focused on because those people are actually really changing things in America, making things worse for people that actually need it.
00:32:54.000Companies that are in charge, the billionaires that are in charge that are funneling money away from the working American, that's the real issue, not the immigrants.
00:33:01.000Well, I think there's a reason that the billionaires in this country have pushed for open borders and illegal immigration because the interests are line.
00:33:26.000But as far as billionaires, if you look at Bill Gates, you walk through, you look at even Elon Musk, they support overwhelmingly open borders.
00:33:32.000They want to virtue signal to left-leaning people.