Louder with Crowder - October 17, 2014


A Rebuttal To Islam: Top 5 Arguments || Louder With Crowder

Topics
ethics of war
Hosted by
Steven Crowder
Mentioned
Gerald Morgan Joseph Barack Obama Mohammed Mary Prophet Muhammad Clint Eastwood James Comer Jesus Christ Gran Torino George W. Bush Fun Dip Stallone Crowder Hadith Cohen Aisha Islam Billy
Poor Little Tink Tink - Katt Williams: It's Pimpin' Pimpin' Ebola Czar's Top 10 tips! || Louder With Crowder

Episode Stats


Length

15 minutes

Words per minute

197.0

Word count

3,083

Sentence count

252

Harmful content

Misogyny

3

sentences flagged

Toxicity

7

sentences flagged

Hate speech

19

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, Gerald Morgan, who is a Christian-turned-Islamic apologetic. Gerald is an expert in the field of Islamic apologetics and Christian apologetics. He has been a long-time member of the Christian apologetic community, and has been involved in the creation of many anti-Islamic videos. In this episode we discuss the differences between the lives of Jesus and Muhammad, and how they can be compared.

Transcript

Transcripts from "Louder with Crowder" are sourced from the Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool. Explore them interactively here.
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Toxicity classifications generated with s-nlp/roberta_toxicity_classifier .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
Topics generated with Qwen2.5-3B-Instruct.
Hosts, guests, and mentioned names generated with spaCy (en_core_web_sm), reconciled against Wikidata.
00:00:03.000 Let me set this up for you.
00:00:04.000 So, for those of you who don't know, and I hate that it sounds egotistical for me to bring up my previous work, but I've done some videos on Islam up on YouTube, or you can go to ladderwithcrowder.com and see these, where really I just take quotes from the actual Quran or the Hadith, from Muhammad's life, or...
00:00:21.000 I guess historical accounts, the canonized texts, and used them and said, listen, what do you folks think about this?
00:00:27.000 Issued the Quran challenge, right? 0.99
00:00:29.000 Challenged people to read five pages in any direction anywhere in the Quran.
00:00:34.000 And tell me if their opinion has changed.
00:00:36.000 Listen, my assertion is that it is a book of power, of violence, and of hatred as compared to the New Testament where it was kind of about loving and being good to your neighbor.
00:00:47.000 With the exception of Jesus kind of going, you know, going a little bit crazy in the temple.
00:00:50.000 But that was well warranted.
00:00:51.000 That was well warranted.
00:00:52.000 It was merited.
00:00:53.000 So there's this Islamic non-profit called Talk Islam.
00:00:57.000 By the way, very effective with online mujahideen, I guess, jihadi tactics, where they flood any page that's negative about Islam.
00:01:04.000 You need to know this online.
00:01:05.000 And if ever you say anything that's remotely critical about Islam, you will be flooded by armies of online Islamists downvoting your videos, trying to get it removed as hate speech.
00:01:16.000 I've had to go to YouTube several times and say, listen, this video is not hate speech.
00:01:19.000 It's directly quoting the Koran.
00:01:21.000 So there's a video up now from talkislam.org with a character who is trying to rebut all of my arguments, arguments I made, taking quotes directly from the Koran.
00:01:31.000 And he really thinks he's gotten the better of all, I guess, people critical of Islam through me.
00:01:37.000 So we're going to bring on, actually, somebody who helps me source a lot of these videos, a very educated man, a guy who actually teaches these courses at churches as it relates to Christian apologetics and Muslim apologetics across the country, Gerald Morgan.
00:01:50.000 Gerald, thanks for coming back.
00:01:52.000 Absolutely, man.
00:01:53.000 Thanks for having me on again.
00:01:53.000 I appreciate it.
00:01:54.000 Yes, we are grateful to have you.
00:01:55.000 Last time you were in studio, so now we're doing this via phone, which hopefully doesn't make it too much harder.
00:02:01.000 I know you're on Central Time, so you're probably pretty groggy.
00:02:04.000 Yeah, you know, woke up about six, seven minutes ago, but I'm good.
00:02:07.000 Well, hopefully you have some caffeine in you, because we need you to help us with this.
00:02:11.000 So, Fun Dip, we're going to roll some clips here.
00:02:14.000 We're going to roll some clips from this video, and we're going to dissect it for you, the listeners.
00:02:17.000 So, listen, you don't have to watch the whole video yourself.
00:02:19.000 We're going to rebut the common Islamic arguments defending the faith. 0.53
00:02:24.000 Fundip run clip one, please.
00:02:26.000 Jesus versus Muhammad. 0.97
00:02:28.000 Peace be upon them both.
00:02:30.000 Because both of them are prophets of Islam.
00:02:32.000 And for that reason, I will respect both because they were the best of men to walk this earth.
00:02:37.000 So that's the first quote we have from this gentleman, by the way, who was very offended at me for being pro-Jesus and not necessarily pro-Muhammad.
00:02:44.000 That's the setup.
00:02:45.000 That's the premise.
00:02:46.000 Both men, the best men to walk the face of this earth.
00:02:50.000 Gerald, do you agree with that?
00:02:52.000 No.
00:02:53.000 No, and I have respect for a people of every faith, except for this one specifically, because we found a guy here in Muhammad who's really going out and lying to people, and he's one of the most nefarious characters in history. 0.99
00:03:07.000 And I'm not trying to dog him because I disagree with the ideology.
00:03:11.000 There's a lot of things that I disagree with in life, but I'm really going after him because you cannot compare the sinless life of Jesus Christ To somebody who told his followers to kill Jews.
00:03:22.000 To somebody who told his followers to go out and commit these atrocities if people don't convert.
00:03:26.000 There's just absolutely no way that you can make that comparison.
00:03:30.000 Not with a straight face, but with his accent.
00:03:32.000 Right.
00:03:32.000 I think the accent gives him...
00:03:33.000 Yeah, this guy, I guess, he's kind of like a walking sass or Baron Cohen character.
00:03:39.000 I'm not quite sure how to handle him.
00:03:41.000 But no, that's great to set up the premise here.
00:03:43.000 Again, secular argument.
00:03:44.000 This isn't even an argument from a Christian perspective.
00:03:46.000 If you don't believe Jesus is who he said he is, nor Muhammad, let's just compare their lives historically. 0.57
00:03:51.000 But we're going to go on to the next point.
00:03:53.000 We've got to roll through this.
00:03:54.000 Fun dip.
00:03:55.000 Roll clip two, please.
00:03:56.000 In regards to your first allegation of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, marrying a minor, all I can say is that Islam is the only religion to actually prohibit the marriage of minors who have not reached the age of puberty. 0.99
00:04:10.000 The truth is, in different times, in different places, in different contexts, the age for marriage varies.
00:04:16.000 Let's leave it at that with a question.
00:04:18.000 Now, of course, this was in response to me talking about the fact that Mohammed, for those of you who don't know, married a six-year-old chick named Aisha.
00:04:26.000 To be fair, he may be consummated when she was nine.
00:04:29.000 Also hit her.
00:04:30.000 We'll get to that later.
00:04:31.000 Here's the thing, Gerald.
00:04:32.000 He doesn't really rebut anything.
00:04:34.000 He just tries to blur historical contexts.
00:04:39.000 No, actually, he goes one step further than that, and he admits that even in the Quran, it says not to marry a minor.
00:04:45.000 I don't know if maybe Muhammad wasn't paying attention when he wrote that, but he turned around and did just that, and married a six-year-old.
00:04:55.000 I mean, there's a word, and maybe I shouldn't use it on the air, but there's a word that we have for people of our age group. 0.74
00:05:01.000 I mean, we would call somebody who married a six-year-old today a pedophile.
00:05:05.000 That's exactly what that person would be called today.
00:05:07.000 Well, hold on, Gerald.
00:05:08.000 Hold on, Gerald.
00:05:09.000 They would have been called a pedophile back then.
00:05:11.000 It's not one of those things.
00:05:14.000 It's like, listen, people got married at 13, 14, which is why it was also easier for people to wait to have sex until marriage.
00:05:20.000 Now people are going through their second adolescence, getting married at 35.
00:05:23.000 But even back then, six years old, even nine if that's when he consummated, that's before girls even get their monthly cycle.
00:05:31.000 That's before girls become women. 1.00
00:05:33.000 That would have been a pedophile back then. 0.86
00:05:36.000 So again, we're going to go to the next clip here real quick, but he doesn't even rebut that, just tries to blur those lines.
00:05:40.000 Let's go on to his next argument.
00:05:42.000 Fun dip, clip three, please.
00:05:44.000 Since this is Jesus versus Muhammad, let's compare it to the context of Jesus. 0.82
00:05:50.000 With none other than the best of women to have walked this earth, Mary, the mother of Jesus, she got married to Joseph, who was 90 years old when she was only 12 years old.
00:06:01.000 Okay.
00:06:03.000 I've searched for this high and low, Gerald, and I can only find very small fringe websites, usually pro-Islamic websites, that use that argument.
00:06:11.000 Is there any kind of historical backing that Joseph was 90 years old?
00:06:17.000 No, there's no legitimate backing.
00:06:19.000 In fact, there's a lot of things that really make this impossible, right?
00:06:23.000 He's kind of termed as the carpenter's son, and that's how he was making his living.
00:06:27.000 How many 90-year-old carpenters do you know that are out there running around And making a living, or making a trek down to Egypt, right?
00:06:35.000 You know, when Jesus was born, they had to get out of the land for a little while.
00:06:38.000 Oh, okay, but maybe when Jesus was 12 and he was 102 years old, running around the temple trying to find Jesus.
00:06:44.000 I mean, they must have had a great healthcare system back then, because we can't even do that today.
00:06:48.000 Yeah, well, the thing is, they had a better rollout to their healthcare back then.
00:06:52.000 Yeah, they had better websites, I think.
00:06:54.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:06:55.000 They had a better website.
00:06:56.000 Really, it was just a sundial where they sacrificed a few goats.
00:06:59.000 But it's funny that this guy says he's 90 years old.
00:07:02.000 And like you said, I guess if you're, you know, Clint Eastwood, Gran Torino, maybe at 90, you can get a few kids off of your lawn.
00:07:08.000 Dr.
00:07:09.000 Stallone, you just never age, I guess, maybe.
00:07:10.000 That's what happens.
00:07:11.000 Right.
00:07:12.000 Now, I guess he's sort of extrapolating from the fact, and you've talked about this before, that Joseph is portrayed in some Christian works of art.
00:07:20.000 It didn't really take place until after the 4th century.
00:07:22.000 He was maybe portrayed a little older.
00:07:24.000 Yeah, yeah, and it was in kind of a misguided attempt.
00:07:26.000 They didn't want people to associate Joseph as being the biological father of Jesus.
00:07:31.000 Not because he was and they were trying to cover it up.
00:07:34.000 It was just because they were trying to kind of put a point on the divinity of Christ.
00:07:38.000 Right.
00:07:38.000 So they started to kind of portray him Even so, I mean, it's not like Mary was a perpetual virgin her whole life, right?
00:07:54.000 No, no, she had more children, which again, and I, you know, I mean, goodness, you know, kudos to Joseph.
00:08:00.000 If he was 90-some-odd years old, popping out six more kids or five more kids, Another thing you mentioned, jihad.
00:08:19.000 And as much as you say that the Bible doesn't have verses on jihad, After church today, pull out your Bible and look up Psalm 137, and you'll see that our own text has passages that can make us uncomfortable.
00:08:33.000 And Islam teaches jihad too, and we don't shy away from it. 1.00
00:08:36.000 Okay, so jihad is a word that gets people pretty uncomfortable, right, Gerald?
00:08:41.000 And again, he doesn't seem to deny anything that's been said in any of my videos or anything that I guess critics would say.
00:08:48.000 He just tries to blur historical context.
00:08:51.000 That's what you're seeing here, saying, well, it's kind of like liberals with Barack Obama.
00:08:54.000 George Bush did it worse!
00:08:56.000 It's the same thing. 0.91
00:08:57.000 Muslims go, well, Christians did it too!
00:09:00.000 Tell us about jihad, and is there anywhere that Christians could interpret something like that from their texts?
00:09:06.000 No, and that's, I guess, the big point for me, is that yes, there are accounts of historical violence in the Bible and in the Quran, right?
00:09:13.000 That's not what we're talking about here.
00:09:15.000 And let me just really quick, Psalm 137 is absolutely 100% not talking about jihad.
00:09:22.000 It's talking about a people who have been taken captive by the Babylonians, saying, God, when are you going to judge these people for all the atrocities they've done for us?
00:09:29.000 Okay, so first of all, that's fine.
00:09:30.000 The second is, jihad is a struggle, right?
00:09:33.000 Right.
00:09:33.000 I don't know why.
00:09:35.000 By the way, reading the Quran is a struggle.
00:09:38.000 Have you ever slogged through that fiction?
00:09:40.000 Oh my gosh, it makes Twilight look brilliant.
00:09:42.000 Gerald, we're going to bring you on after the break.
00:09:43.000 It's so thorough.
00:09:44.000 We appreciate it.
00:09:45.000 So folks, stick around.
00:09:47.000 We're going to finish dissecting the Islamic apologist arguments louder with Crowder.
00:09:53.000 Don't change the dial.
00:09:56.000 So, Gerald Morgan, thank you so much for staying with us.
00:10:00.000 Yeah, absolutely, man.
00:10:01.000 Thanks.
00:10:01.000 Okay, so we were talking about, before you left, the jihad quote, which we did.
00:10:04.000 We'll run this on LadderWithCreditor.com, where this gentleman says that jihad can be found in Christian, in the Old Testament texts, that it can be really interpreted that way in any religion.
00:10:15.000 You say no.
00:10:16.000 Why?
00:10:17.000 I say no because the entire Bible, the message is a God who lovingly pursues you, right?
00:10:23.000 And then basically at the very end says, look, one day you're going to be accountable for the decision that you make, but until that day I'm going to do everything that I can to show you who I am and to show you that I love you.
00:10:33.000 That message is not in Islam, the religion of peace, quote-unquote, right? 0.98
00:10:37.000 It's definitely not there. 0.73
00:10:38.000 Basically, it says either you convert right here, right now, by some verbal thing, which has nothing to do with your heart, if you've got a sword on the back of your neck, and you've got to convert or die, right? 0.62
00:10:49.000 That's the message of jihad, die or convert. 0.99
00:10:53.000 Exactly.
00:10:53.000 And that's where you go into, if you don't convert or die, there's the dimitude, there's Sharia law, where you want to talk about people feeling like second-class citizens here in the United States, because maybe they're in some kind of a minority group.
00:11:05.000 Try being non-Muslim in any Muslim country. 1.00
00:11:07.000 If you're still alive, by the way, it usually doesn't make it to dimitude and putting you in a role that is submissive to Muslims in society. 0.99
00:11:14.000 Usually you're just decapitated. 0.83
00:11:17.000 But that's a great point.
00:11:17.000 Really, it's the overarching message of whether, again, whether you're a Christian or not, even if you're an atheist, you have to appreciate the concept of a God that's about love, the concept of a God about forgiveness, or at least it's part of the concept, and a God that's about power and killing.
00:11:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:11:36.000 Big difference.
00:11:36.000 It just freaks me out.
00:11:37.000 Yeah, it's a huge difference.
00:11:38.000 And we're going to run the last clip here, and then we can kind of just sort of wrap it all up.
00:11:43.000 A fun dip, Dan, if you could run the last clip from Talk Islam, please.
00:11:47.000 And Islam even made responsibility on everyone participating in war. 0.97
00:11:50.000 You do not hurt the trees, you do not hurt the elderly, the children, the women.
00:11:54.000 Where are your ethics of war like we have ethics of war?
00:11:57.000 I have two words for you.
00:11:59.000 Predator drones.
00:12:01.000 I don't know what the Obama thing came in there at the end of that.
00:12:03.000 That was a weird transit.
00:12:05.000 Predator drones.
00:12:06.000 Everybody kind of giggled.
00:12:08.000 I have to say, though, I love that he started out with not hurting the trees.
00:12:12.000 Right.
00:12:12.000 That's fantastic.
00:12:13.000 Who is he, James Cameron?
00:12:14.000 We're going to keep the trees in good shape.
00:12:16.000 Yeah.
00:12:16.000 He's going to be an avatar, too.
00:12:18.000 But I find some ethics of war.
00:12:20.000 So obviously trees we're talking about, animals we're talking about.
00:12:23.000 I guess not reporters?
00:12:24.000 Are they...
00:12:26.000 No, no.
00:12:27.000 No, certainly not.
00:12:29.000 And here's the thing.
00:12:30.000 All of those things that he listed...
00:12:32.000 It would be great if anyone actually adhered to them in war, right? 0.86
00:12:37.000 So this is a great list to throw out there, but unfortunately, if it's just a list that doesn't do anybody any good, because, you know, there's tons of human shields that have been used.
00:12:45.000 I mean, recently with Gaza, that's been one of the claims that we've had to deal with, and, you know, their treatment of women as human shields as well.
00:12:52.000 I don't understand where, and this one, if it wasn't so said, almost made me laugh that it said, That Islam has ethics of war. 1.00
00:13:00.000 With everything that we see going on right now in Islam, and all the wars that have been going on in the Middle East forever, Where are the ethics? 1.00
00:13:08.000 I have no idea what he's talking about.
00:13:31.000 Long before any Americans got involved, or even if you want to talk about Israel, Hamas, there are far more Islamic groups.
00:13:38.000 I mean, you look at Syria killing other Muslims.
00:13:40.000 That happens all over the world.
00:13:42.000 And really, if it was, we don't want to hurt the trees, we don't want to hurt any person, those are the ethics of war.
00:13:46.000 If I'm a Muslim or even a Christian in Syria, I say, hey, I just go sit next to a tree. 0.97
00:13:52.000 That's what I do.
00:13:54.000 Which are hard to find in very arid places.
00:13:57.000 It is.
00:13:57.000 Maybe that's why.
00:13:58.000 That's probably why Jesus got so mad at the fig tree when he was over there in that area of the world.
00:14:03.000 The one fig tree I've gotten, it doesn't do anything.
00:14:06.000 Right.
00:14:06.000 That's the one thing Jesus seemed like he got a little bit too mad.
00:14:10.000 Oh, you never bear fruit again!
00:14:11.000 You know, the apostles are sitting there going, Hey, Jesus, we can calm down.
00:14:15.000 There's just some figs.
00:14:16.000 We can go down to the temple and buy you some figs.
00:14:18.000 They're selling figs at the temple!
00:14:22.000 And then, you know, everybody's running.
00:14:24.000 Doves are flying.
00:14:25.000 Lambs are ewing.
00:14:26.000 Right.
00:14:27.000 Exactly.
00:14:27.000 This is one of those things.
00:14:29.000 So here's again.
00:14:30.000 Again, Gerald, the most important thing, I think, the takeaway here is this is a guy who, I guess by all measurable barometers, or at least he claims to, or at least talk Islam, thinks this guy is qualified enough to do so, has the credentials to defend Islam.
00:14:44.000 This is the guy who's come out, a video that's been watched, I think, almost a million times.
00:14:48.000 And yet I've never really seen any kind of counter arguments to the arguments that I put forth in the video.
00:14:54.000 And by the way, my arguments aren't unique.
00:14:56.000 It's the same arguments that people have put forward against the Koran and Muhammad and Islam for years.
00:15:00.000 And the best, it seems as though he has, correct me if I'm wrong, is, well, Christians do it too.
00:15:05.000 And here's a verse sort of blurring the historical context.
00:15:10.000 No, he doesn't address any of the issues.
00:15:12.000 I mean, really, this guy should be a left-leaning Democrat.
00:15:15.000 He's perfect for the role.
00:15:17.000 He just says, no, wait a minute.
00:15:19.000 Look over here.
00:15:20.000 Don't look at the fact that it's in our book not to do this, and Mohammed did this. 0.99
00:15:23.000 Don't worry about that, but look over here and look at this, where maybe you guys have done something bad in the past.
00:15:28.000 Right, exactly.
00:15:29.000 And it just doesn't make any sense.
00:15:29.000 Good call with a left-wing Democrat.
00:15:31.000 Way to tie it back into politics. 0.97
00:15:33.000 I'm bringing it back, my friend.
00:15:34.000 Fundip is giving you a slow clap right now.
00:15:37.000 He's standing up like Billy...