In this episode, we discuss the growing threat of Islamic extremism in the UK and the impact it could have on the culture and identity of Muslims in the country. We also discuss some of the issues that have been brought to our attention by recent events, such as the Heathrow Airport attack, the grooming gangs and Islamic extremism.
00:01:00.000And people in Britain joke about that all the time.
00:01:02.000Another complete farce is that, you know, these hotels full of illegal migrants that I've been telling you about, we employ legal migrants to work as security in those hotels.
00:01:12.000So we are importing illegal migrants and then we get people.
00:01:17.000to come over from countries like Pakistan and India to act as security.
00:01:21.000So we have legal migrants being security guards at hotels full of illegal migrants in this country.
00:01:32.000And again, the only reason we now know about this is because people have started saying, well, I've had enough about this migrant hotel.
00:01:38.000I'm going to go and have a little look at it.
00:01:39.000And they've not like broken into it or something like that, but they've, you know, they've taken it because it's like citizen journalists more or less with cameras.
00:01:45.000And they're trying to engage with the security staff.
00:01:47.000And they realize they can't speak English, some of them.
00:01:49.000Some of them can't even speak English, which is insane.
00:01:52.000But to come back to your point about the potential issues with with with with with with Islam, I suppose in Britain or the levels of Islam in Britain.
00:02:00.000There's a few different aspects to this.
00:02:02.000So we are going through a law change which is a new Islamofobia definition.
00:02:10.000So what that could mean could mean is that it would me having this conversation with you right now could be legally Islamofobic, which is nuts, right?
00:02:22.000It could stifle conversations on things like the grooming gangs issue.
00:02:26.000Really, they they have really been just called the Pakistani Rape Gangs issue because the overwhelming perpetrators have been either from Pakistan or of Pakistani heritage here in Britain.
00:02:36.000That's that could be stopped by this Islamophobia definition.
00:02:39.000Extremism and terrorism, talking about terrorist attacks or the potential for extremism and terrorism, that could be stopped.
00:02:45.000Also, what we've had is very concerning situations.
00:02:49.000So, for example, there was a school teacher in Britain at a school called Batley Grammar School who decided, he was a religious studies teacher, he showed some children a picture of that Charlie Hebdo cartoon front page, the one that depicted the Prophet Muhammad.
00:03:05.000This was in Britain, in Yorkshire in Britain.
00:03:08.000He is currently and his entire family are in hiding and in police protection and will be for life because there were calls for him to die as a result of that.
00:03:17.000A woman whose I think 13 or 14 year old son who has autism was in a local school.
00:03:23.000He accidentally knocked over a copy of the Quran, which must have been in one of the classrooms, some religious classroom, and it scrubbed the Quran.
00:03:30.000She had to go to the local mosque flanked by British police officers to apologize to the local Muslim community as a result of that.
00:03:39.000Britain has the highest proportion of Sharia courts of any Western country.
00:03:45.000We have at least 85 Sharia courts in Britain.
00:03:49.000That's more than we are the Western capital for Sharia courts.
00:03:52.000We're also seeing other issues rear its head, which have been entirely imported from the African or Muslim world.
00:03:59.000Things like honour killings and female genital mutilation.
00:04:02.000I get that these are very depressing topics to talk about, but I think it's important.
00:04:06.000We have now clinics here, dedicated clinics, national health service clinics in this country dedicated to dealing with issues of FGM and with honour killings.
00:04:18.000These are not domestic British issues.
00:04:20.000So if you look at all of that, we also allowed a huge proportion of Islamic State fighters to come back to Britain.
00:04:28.000And it's, it's, you know, only recently that we've prescribed a new terrorist organization called Hisbutt Tahrir, which were already prescribed on the continent, despite the fact that our current Prime Minister acted as their lawyer to try to try to prevent them from being banned as a terrorist organization in Germany.
00:04:46.000Anyway, shortly after the October 7th massacre in Israel with Hamas, they took to the streets of Britain and called for global Jihad with big orange banners on the streets of London.
00:04:58.000And finally, that led to them being prescribed.
00:05:01.000There have been leaders of Hamas organizations that live in council houses in Britain.
00:05:06.000We have given them council houses in Britain.
00:05:08.000So that thing that JD Van said there, I get was in jest.
00:05:12.000But, but you add all of those different things together about where Britain is now, both culturally and societally, and then you look at that direction of travel there.
00:05:22.000Like I said to you, predicted by 2050 to be somewhere in the region of eighteen percent Muslim as a population.
00:05:30.000I think those problems are only going to get worse, not better, I'm afraid.
00:05:33.000And we know this, again, another thing that's kind of said in jest sometimes, but is really a serious issue, I think, if you think about it, is the Muhammad thing, right?
00:05:39.000That each year for the past however many years, the most popular boy's name in Britain has been Muhammad.
00:05:45.000But once I started looking into the list, I noticed it wasn't just Muhammad.
00:05:48.000I think it was, I have some other names here too.
00:05:50.000It was Ibrahim, Ali, Yusuf, and Muhammad spelled a different way are all in the top 50 of British boys' names.
00:05:56.000That doesn't strike me as George or Harry.
00:06:00.000On its face, that could be a little bit of an issue, but add that with all the things that you've just said.
00:06:05.000And it seems to me like the politicians, even the ones that might think they're importing a voting block, would have to wake up and smell the roses.
00:06:12.000But just to let you in on a little bit of what we've experienced, I'm not sure if you're familiar with Andy Burnham.
00:06:20.000So I had some personal contact with him at South by Southwest this past year and pushed him on the things like the grooming gangs and why he was so proud to see Manchester become a multicultural society.
00:06:31.000You mentioned the numbers in Britain, but I have numbers here for Manchester that blew my mind.
00:06:36.000In 2011, it was 49% Christian, and now it's 36%.
00:06:40.000And it was 15.8% Muslim, and now it's 22%.
00:06:43.000almost parody Islamic to Christian society.
00:06:47.000Britain, forgive me from my perspective was, And if you import something so frequently, then when does Britain stop becoming Britain?
00:06:59.000When is it in something else entirely?
00:07:03.000our lead from our dear King, which is probably the most British man that there could possibly be, our King, he has shifted from being the defender of the faith, which is the Christian faith, the Protestant faith, the Church of England faith, of which he is the head, to being defender of faith, so faith in its entirety.
00:07:24.000So some people would see that as being just a nice little fluffy thing.
00:07:27.000Another way of looking at that is that the ball is rolling down the hill so fast when it comes to multiculturalism and diversity and different religions in Britain and the retreat and decline of Christian culture that in order to basically feel as though metaphorically he has to keep his head.
00:07:43.000He has decided that he wants to retreat from being a defender of the faith and being just a defender of faith.
00:07:48.000It's symptomatic, it's symbolic, a little bit like those name changes that you mentioned, all these little anecdotal things, things like seeing road signs in Urdu, for example, or when you go into the hospital now, you'll have an English word and then it'll be under, and then it'll be, you know, various different Arabic or Urdu or even Pashtun languages or Farsi, all of that.
00:08:09.000So that just shows you the kind of the rate of where it's out.
00:08:13.000And again, people don't like to believe what they can see and hear with their own eyes, you know.
00:08:18.000You know, recently we celebrated Pakistan Independence Day in Britain.
00:08:24.000That was I think it was last Thursday.
00:08:29.000And for Pakistan Independence Day, Birmingham Council, our second city, painted their entire public library in the colours of the Pakistan flag.
00:08:39.000The Lord Mayor hoisted the Pakistan flag above Birmingham.
00:08:42.000And there were street parties, total street parties, lawless street parties, by the way, in Manchester, which you mentioned, in Birmingham and in London.
00:08:51.000The police didn't want to step in and stop that.
00:08:53.000They didn't want to do anything about that.
00:08:55.000So that again, to me, at face value, might be a sign of all celebrating your historic culture.
00:09:02.000Another way of looking at it would have been to be a show of force, really, and an attempt to show, look, we're here.
00:09:08.000We're here in serious numbers and we're not here to mess around.
00:09:13.000So yeah, I mean, it's been happening for ages.
00:09:16.000For a long time, people were forced into silence because they were too afraid the worst thing you could be called in Britain was racist or Islamofob or far right.
00:09:29.000But the question is going to be, is it too little too late really?
00:09:33.000I mean, what practically speaking, I think the time to have if you cared about trying to keep Britain, largely speaking, as a kind of, you know, a Western Christian society.
00:09:46.000The time to have dealt with that and put your foot down was probably ten or fifteen years ago.
00:09:50.000And it's very difficult now to see how that changes.
00:09:53.000I mean, another good example for you on this is you've mentioned our cities.
00:09:55.000The demographic change in our cities is huge, but there is currently planning permission that's been accepted for a 2.5 million pounds mega mosque in Cumbria, which is one of the most rural parts of Britain.
00:10:06.000There is no Muslim population in Cumbria.
00:10:08.000There might be like a couple of hundred or something like that.
00:10:14.000So they are building a 2.5 million pounds mega mosque.
00:10:16.000500,000 pounds mega mosque there to service like basically no one at the moment.
00:10:22.000But what it will do, obviously, is act as a beacon.
00:10:27.000And then you're in a situation where, you know, the picture postcard, typical quintessential British countryside, suddenly becomes, well, a place with a very, very large Muslim population, which, okay, all right, people might say it was racist to have a problem with that.
00:10:45.000Well, it's a kind of about culture, isn't it, really?
00:10:48.000And we have tourists from all over the world who come to places like the Lake District because it's like one of the most British places you can possibly come to come, very tweed, you know, all these stone cottages, all that stuff.
00:11:01.000And if the culture of that area fundamentally changes, well then you've, well then you've kind of lost your country, haven't you really?
00:11:08.000Well, yeah, that's kind of what I wanted to touch on a little bit more because there was a video coming out of Dearborn, Michigan just a couple days ago where they had a big rally and there was a man that said essentially that the Muslims in the West, it was their job to stand up to the American Empire and help it fall.
00:11:24.000The American Empire that's been hurting our people since the beginning, the imperial Western powers that have been hurting our people since the beginning, they must fall.
00:11:33.000Usher in the fall of the American Empire.
00:11:35.000That seems pretty self-explanatory to me, what some people want to do.
00:11:39.000So we know that there's politicians that want to import this for their own reasons, probably business owners that profit off cheap labor.
00:11:46.000But you generally wouldn't fault asylum seekers or people that have suffered hardships abroad for wanting a better life.
00:11:53.000But it seems to me, and maybe you can answer this better, that a lot of these people coming to Britain, coming to the United States, other western countries might potentially have other motives other than just seeking a better life.
00:12:07.000I mean, so we know that on a few fronts.
00:12:09.000I've already mentioned to you that we have absolute proof that Islamic State sleeper cells have been coming over, that the Iranian government has been bringing people over as well.
00:12:17.000We've just, just in the last few days arrested an asylum seeker who turned out to be a Houthi rebel.
00:12:23.000So these are just the people that we know about.
00:12:25.000And so, so, just purely in terms of that sense and the pure terrorist side of the, the, the Islamist issue there, well, we know it's happening and it's impossible, impossible to police.
00:12:42.000It's, it's almost like an unanswerable question as to whether or not all of these people are just singularly coming here for a better life or whether or not they would quite feel as though they feel as though there is some kind of religious duty to try to spread out around Europe and around the world.
00:12:57.000The thing that I would say about that, which would indicate maybe that some people do have that view, is that there has not really been a huge attempt at assimilation or integration.
00:13:09.000And these are not just by asylum seekers or whatever, just by people who've come here legally, really.
00:13:15.000I mean, there are huge pockets of this country now where you would have no idea where in the world, well certainly not where in the Western world, you were if you walked down there.
00:13:26.000Very little desire to quite often have English as a first language sometimes.
00:13:32.000And we are now seeing the statistics on this are quite stark that some of the most fundamentalist and extremist Islamist people in this country are the youngest generation.
00:13:46.000The Henry Jackson Society did a bit of research on this in the wake of the October 7 disaster and found that some of the most sympathetic support for Hamas and other terrorist groups was among the eighteen to twenty four year old demographic, which would strongly indicate that they were born here.
00:14:02.000So there are very, very, very concerning things.
00:14:08.000today, you know, I can hear what people in Britain watching this will say.
00:14:11.000I mean, by the way, if they're watching this, they probably agree with it.
00:14:13.000But people watching, watching, watching, you know, in Britain will say, which is that, gosh, you know, you can't have these kinds of conversations.
00:14:19.000It seems all seems a little bit, all seems a little bit racist.
00:14:21.000It's like, well, okay, well, should we just not believe what we can see with our own eyes then?
00:14:26.000And we are now getting statistics to back this up.
00:14:29.000We're getting statistics to back this up.
00:14:31.000You know, people used to say, well, you didn't really mind about the Ukrainian refugees coming over.
00:14:35.000I say, well, they weren't coming over in anything like the same numbers and they were all women and children and we could see the war.
00:14:42.000So, and they want to go home when it's over.
00:14:45.000So there's some key differences there, aren't there?
00:14:48.000From like a thousand Sudanese, Eritrean, Iraqi and Afghan men coming into your country in a single day, which has happened on small boats, with no intention of going home, with every intention of bringing their family over here.
00:15:05.000And the latest stats that we have about crimes relating to these people, by the way, is that one in every hundred of them is wanted for or has committed a crime here in Britain.
00:15:18.000There's an Ethiopian man who came across on a small boat and was in Britain for four days and committed five sexual assaults, one of them against a girl.
00:15:26.000Wait, can you repeat that one time that just that went over my head?
00:15:31.000Yeah, there's an Ethiopian man who came across on a small boat.
00:15:34.000He was in Britain for a number of days, four or five days, and committed four or five sexual assaults, one of them against a young girl.
00:15:42.000And that was at a hotel called the Bell Hotel in a place called Epping, which is in Essex, which has then been one of the major sites for communities coming out and protesting against that.
00:15:52.000I mean, another thing that's happened there as well is that while there were protesters outside that hotel, locals, mostly women actually wearing pink shirts saying protect our kids..
00:16:04.000There was another arrest from a man inside that hotel.
00:16:06.000So while protests were taking place about the idea that some of these people might be violent sex criminals, there was a man inside who had just been arrested for several cases of assault and one case of sexual assault.
00:16:17.000So even while you've got he could see from his window in that hotel, this guy, that there were people outside, locals protesting, saying, you know, we're worried about the kind of person is inside.
00:16:26.000That wasn't enough to stop him allegedly committing sexual assaults and physical assaults as well.
00:16:50.000There was a kind of a situation here where we brought over some Afrikaan or South African refugees and sort of the progressive left made the argument, Oh, what's the difference between ex immigrant and y immigrant?
00:17:00.000But I don't know how long we have to pretend that the differences in Slavic culture and British culture or Afrikaan culture and American culture are not way less similar or way or way they have way more in common than Middle Eastern Islamic culture and any culture on the West.
00:17:17.000I mean, by default, Islamicic culture preaches things that are antithetical to Western values all the time.
00:17:22.000So why is it such a big deal and why is it considered a racist thing to call out something that's so blatantly obvious to anyone with a, you know, lukewarm IQ?
00:17:34.000I mean, but it's because people don't want to hear it, it's because it would just shatter their worldview.
00:17:38.000It would shatter their view that absolutely every single human being is exactly the same.
00:17:42.000You know, we're not, I'm not saying that one group of people is better than anyone else, but what I'm saying is you just have to be like blind, deaf and dumb to not appreciate that there are huge differences from people based around geographically where in the world they were born, the culture, the religion., everything, everything, everything that you've been brought up in.
00:17:59.000Like, in a way, by definition, that is a very human thing.
00:18:02.000A lot of us are just products of the environment that we were brought up in.
00:18:04.000So, um, so people are very, very, very unwilling to accept that.
00:18:08.000The thing that I will say about that is, um, that I think that's, that's having to change because now, for the first time in Britain, we are starting to get statistics that show things like Afghan men are twenty times more likely to commit a sexual assault in Britain than Brits.
00:18:24.000You also just get the general crime levels.
00:18:26.000I mean, in London, for example, I think if something like one in three sexual assaults and rapes in London were committed by foreign nationals.
00:18:35.000So that's not just like a Muslim thing.
00:18:50.000But then when you're importing it by the thousands every single year, it's absolute lunacy.
00:18:56.000So, yeah, but I think and I worry that we're going to end up in a situation where we're going to have a serious, serious conversation about how compatible people who have a more fundamentalist Islamic belief are with the West and with Europe and with Britain.
00:19:16.000So what we're seeing now is Islam becoming very involved in British politics, and that is a very, very dangerous thing as far as I'm concerned.
00:19:27.000In the wake of the October 7 attacks, there was a party that wanted to be created called the Islam Party, Islam for UK, so something like that anyway, and they rejected it because it was overtly religious grounds.
00:19:38.000But then what we've seen is splinter parties coming out, which are all just obsessed with Gaza.
00:19:47.000And what we're seeing now is independent candidates standing up around the country and winning elections, winning elections in places like Manchester, local council elections in British towns based purely on the issue that they stand for the people of Gaza.
00:20:03.000And what happens there is that there are huge numbers of the local Muslim population who feel compelled to vote for those people because there is a lot of community pressure, there is a lot of religious pressure there, there is a lot of cultural pressure there that you have to vote.
00:20:17.000If you don't vote, if you don't vote for that person who is pro Gaza, then you're a, you're a genocide enabler.
00:20:29.000And I don't think it will be that long before that group of people who so far are these independents dotted around the country, unify and form a coherent force.
00:20:39.000And then it's going to be very difficult for Britain.
00:20:41.000Because if we see the population increase to, as I said to you, about 18 percent Muslim or something along those lines.
00:20:46.000And by the way, I don't envy aspects of the British Muslim population about this because I think that I think many of them will come under a huge amount of pressure in order to vote for whatever candidate is backed by the local imam or the community elders or the community leaders.
00:21:06.000And then before you know it, you have the religion of Islam.
00:21:14.000Well, so we see obviously that's a huge problem.
00:21:16.000Everything you've laid out seems like a problem that would make the British public more sympathetic to the question I'm about to ask and perhaps your NGB's audience it is.
00:21:25.000But I'm curious to know what the British public opinion, either from just regular people and even the government or the media figures.
00:21:32.000What is it when they look at what Donald Trump is doing to enact his immigration policy right now in the United States?
00:21:37.000Because even amongst his less popular policies, immigration seems to be one where he's consistently above water with the American public.
00:21:44.000But on immigration, you better get your act together.
00:21:47.000You're not going to have Europe anymore.
00:21:50.000So what does the British public think about what's happening in America right now?
00:21:53.000Well, you have half of the British public that, you know, President Trump could rescue four babies from a burning building and they'd still think he was evil, right?
00:22:00.000So you have half of those people that are just idiots.
00:22:05.000You have the other half that I think are more normal, who look at it and actually feel a deep sense of jealousy because he's doing things that we would like to do, like just blocking the border or turning people back or deporting people at a quick rate, sending them back to their countries.
00:22:21.000I mean, there's even this ridiculous situation in Britain.
00:22:23.000We had something called the Rwanda Plan, which was that we were going to.
00:22:27.000pay for Rwanda to build several different complexes over there, And we were going to send our illegal immigrants to Rwanda so they could be processed there.
00:22:35.000If they were approved, they would move to Rwanda and be part of Rwanda's society.
00:22:41.000Now your president is using the accommodation we built to send people who've broken into America to Rwanda, which, you know, I mean, I don't feel, I mean, I would, great, but I just think it's ridiculous.
00:23:13.000And it looks to me like your president is sorting it out.
00:23:16.000And it looks very well, I know what's happening over here, is that our leaders are far, far too weak and that they're willing to give in to people who, you know, are a vocal minority of people who are these kind of hardcore refugees, welcome, antifa style people.
00:23:35.000You know, there's two different questions there really.
00:23:37.000The first is how much the population really likes Trump.
00:23:39.000Well, unfortunately, I don't really see that ever rising that much above fifty percent.
00:23:44.000The other half of that question is, well, how many people would like actually support Trump-like policies?
00:23:51.000But if it wasn't Trump doing it, then like loads, right?
00:23:54.000Like, loads of people would all, you know, loads of like, I reckon like 85, 90 percent of people would support it.
00:24:01.000But the problem is our government listens to that 10 or 15 percent, and the reason why is because they are that 10 or 15 percent.
00:24:08.000And so they listen to them and they're too weak to act on it.
00:24:12.000Well, I did, sorry, I did touch on the kind of the free speech issue and we're just kind of running out of time because I know you have a heart out, but I do want to kind of end on this.
00:24:20.000You've mentioned it a few times, Britain and the United States share a really rich history.
00:24:24.000We fought in multiple wars together and we have what people call the special relationship, right?
00:24:31.000But increasingly, I think in America, when we look over and we see things like arrests for social media posts or the forfeiting of a culture so willingly in a lot of ways, we wonder.
00:24:44.000Is this a special relationship that interests us in the future if we continue to divulge?
00:24:48.000Should we look to a country like Japan or Korea that seemingly has more culturally in contact with us now than Britain does?
00:24:55.000Now that might be a little out there, but that's kind of, you know, some of the talk that's in the ether.
00:25:00.000So I've heard you mention that this is kind of the last chance for Britain.
00:25:08.000Does the lion rise as you said and kind of reclaim its rightful place in the world?
00:25:13.000I don't want to say rightful place, its earned place in the world and its rich cultural history or does it kind of just fade away into obscurity?
00:25:22.000Look, we have one chance left to save Britain as far as I'm concerned, and that chance will be the next general election.
00:25:28.000We I hope that your audience knows that there are the overwhelming majority of people in Britain look to America as our great ally and we really do.
00:25:41.000And we feel let down by our it's not us, okay?
00:25:51.000So please don't lose faith in the British people.
00:25:54.000Don't lose faith in the British public.
00:25:56.000And I do think that British line is roaring because the situation has gotten so bad and we are starting to see more and more people.
00:26:02.000And this is where I think outlets like GB News come in because we are now having conversations on national television all day, every day, that no other outlet in Britain like the BBC would ever entertain.
00:26:14.000You wouldn't ever be allowed to have that.
00:26:15.000So now people feel more confident and more comfortable to voice their views because they agree with this stuff out in public.
00:26:22.000They're refusing to be silenced anymore.
00:26:24.000So everything that has happened can be undone.
00:26:28.000It'll be very difficult, but it can be undone.
00:26:49.000We can do away with things like a ridiculous Islamophobia law.
00:26:53.000We can do away with things like the pub banter ban, which is going to mean..
00:26:57.000that if any member of staff at a British pub, you know, who's pulling pines is offended by something that someone has said to his mate after he's had eight pines, that they can get him arrested and do all that.
00:27:08.000We can we can stop the police going after people for online posts.
00:27:12.000All this can be done and it must be done and I think, I think it will be done after the next election.
00:27:23.000I think it's much better for the world if our two countries are strong together.
00:27:27.000So hopefully that we can figure something out.
00:27:30.000But Patrick, I really appreciate the perspective.
00:27:32.000I think it's something our audience is just going to really grip on because, you know, we're seeing a lot of the same problems start to come up here.
00:27:38.000But like I said, the more aware people are, that's fantastic.
00:27:42.000And also, sorry to cut you early, I know you have to go, but we'd love to have you on the show sometime with Steven, if there's anything that's ever up in the British Zeitgeist, because we talk about censorship stuff a lot.
00:27:53.000I think GB News and us could be great partners in something like that.
00:27:56.000And similarly, if you ever need an American perspective on something, feel free to contact us too.