In this episode, I sit down with Alex Jones to discuss the end times, demons and the Mark of the Beast. Alex Jones has been in the business for a long time and has been around the block. He has been on the radio, TV, radio, radio and radio shows. He is a Christian and has spent the last 20 years or so dedicated to studying the Bible and studying the Old Testament.
00:00:01.000Hello Mug Club and all you strange animals.
00:00:03.000I had the privilege of sitting down with Alex Jones to discuss the end times.
00:00:08.000Are we living in the end times that are spoken about in the Bible?
00:00:11.000What pieces are in place that make the end times even possible, whether it be Israel being in the land in 1948, the invention of satellite television for the whole world to watch the two witnesses being murdered, or maybe the precursor to the Mark of the Beast with chips being implanted right now into people's bodies.
00:00:28.000You have got to hear what Alex Jones has to say about this topic.
00:01:30.000I had an interesting conversation back in June with our guest today and it was very quick on the show and we started talking about demons and the Mark of the Beast and I was like, huh, that's eschatology.
00:02:30.000I know there's massive amounts of study.
00:02:32.000I mean, you could have five degrees in it and never know half of it, but my grandfather My mother's father was really heavily into it, studied the Bible, Daniel and Ezekiel and Revelation pretty much like five hours a day.
00:02:44.000He was really smart and quite the historian.
00:02:48.000He'd been a successful inventor, a lot of other things.
00:02:50.000But the last 20 years of his life, he's dedicated to studying the Bible.
00:02:53.000I remember him like Breaking down the New World Order and global government.
00:02:57.000They'd have a computer and that would control everybody and you'd have to do what they said or you wouldn't get the mark.
00:03:16.000Just about this all the time and I would You know, come and visit him in the summers, and then I moved down there when I was a senior in high school, started hanging out with him and my grandmother almost every week.
00:03:26.000What years, roughly, what decade was this?
00:03:29.000I was, I graduated out of high school in 92.
00:03:38.000And he was just really big into eschatology, and so that, I mean, I heard a lot from him.
00:03:44.000Well, the church used to be really big into it, and that's why I was really asking that.
00:03:46.000Because back in the 1980s, I mean, there was a lot of fire and brimstone preaching, and a part of that was telling the end of the story.
00:03:51.000So let me just tell the guys listening and gals right now, we're talking about the end times.
00:03:56.000So eschatology is kind of the study of the end times.
00:03:58.000And just so you understand what that is, if Genesis is kind of telling the beginning of the story, which it obviously is, Revelation and some of the prophetic literature leading up to that is really telling you how things come to an end.
00:04:09.000And some of the things that Alex just said would have just been in the 1960s, 1950s, 40s, 1800s.
00:04:21.000Anytime you see a History Channel show that talks about the apocalypse or something like that, people tune in because they're like, oh, there's something that draws us in to want to know a little bit more.
00:04:30.000And this subject is debated quite a bit, right?
00:04:32.000We were talking just a second ago about mid-trib, pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib, whatever.
00:04:37.000There are a lot of different reasons for you to care about this, right?
00:04:40.000We'll dive into just a very basic framework of what we're talking about, and then we're going to talk about specific segments, specifically 666, the Mark of the Beast, how that's being potentially implemented today, and how you can make sure that you don't accidentally do that.
00:04:54.000You can't, that's kind of the trick to it.
00:04:56.000You can't accidentally take the Mark of the Beast, but we're going to hit a few more points.
00:04:59.000Maybe something that most people don't know is that for every prophecy on the first coming of Christ, which that is the Messiah, that is for the Jews, that's it, right?
00:05:07.000They were waiting for and looking for and desperately hoping for Messiah to come.
00:05:12.000For every prophecy on the Bible about Messiah's first coming, there are roughly eight concerning the second coming.
00:05:18.000There's eight more than the first coming, right?
00:05:21.000So it's multiple times more mentioned in the Bible and a lot of people don't really take a lot of time to understand those prophecies or to really kind of think through it.
00:05:30.000They do take time to go, revelation's tough to understand.
00:05:33.000Revelation is difficult because there's all this imagery that's being used and there's all this flowery language that I don't really understand.
00:05:39.000And we'll get into why some Christians have a bit of a problem with that.
00:05:42.000But it's important for you to know because God spent about eight times the time speaking about the second coming than he did the first coming.
00:05:49.000And obviously the first one was a big deal because it kind of saved people.
00:05:52.000Without the first coming, the second coming doesn't really quite matter that much because we would all be under judgment and I wouldn't want to be around for that anyway.
00:05:58.000But I guess my big question, Alex, is Why?
00:06:05.000So other than that, was there any influence or was it just your grandfather's influence talking about kind of eschatology that made you dive into it a little bit?
00:06:15.000I mean, the New World Order has brought us The end times, and it's proven the Bible's right, so that's why I've gotten way more interested.
00:06:21.000I mean, growing up, we went to church on Sundays, and then we would have Bible studies a lot of times at the house on Sunday night when my parents led.
00:06:30.000And I could watch if I wanted to and hang out there if I wanted to.
00:06:32.000There'd be like 20 people there, but usually there'd be some other kids we'd run around outside.
00:06:41.000We went to a evangelical style, you know, a pretty big church.
00:06:46.000And so I was just growing up with this as a background.
00:06:49.000And so it's kind of the back of your head.
00:06:51.000And then my grandfather, once I moved to Austin, when I was in college, and then, you know, had my job and already on air for a lot of years.
00:07:00.000He died about 12 years ago, my grandmother about five years ago.
00:07:02.000He was just constantly saying, watch, this is all going to be fulfilled.
00:07:06.000And he would get really upset when he'd see these preachers on TV setting a date.
00:07:10.000He would say, those people were deceived by setting a date.
00:07:13.000Then when it doesn't happen, that's going to make people fall away.
00:07:16.000And he was just really, he said, you know, comes like a thief in the night.
00:07:20.000No man knoweth, it's Christ at the hour of the return.
00:07:23.000And so then I've seen the left use that when these preachers get a bunch of attention saying it's this date for like a year that it doesn't happen.
00:07:31.000Then they say, oh, the Bible's disproven.
00:07:56.000So many people are turned off by the church.
00:07:59.000Because it's preaching a watered-down Bible, and it's also just attacking people individually, instead of showing them the big picture.
00:08:07.000The devil's real, God's real, you better pick a side.
00:08:10.000And so, people ask why I'm so much into end times.
00:08:13.000It's here, and it's all being fulfilled, and the globalists are fulfilling it and saying, the future's not human, you will merge the machines, you will submit to all our social credit scores, our ESGs, you'll be tracked in live time, the Bible says everyone worldwide will see the image of the beast, talking to them at once, they'll worship it, and that's television, holograms, I mean it's like there's no way John Leal of Patmos 2,000 years ago just made this up.
00:08:39.000There's no way Daniel just made it up or Ezekiel.
00:08:42.000And it's just all congruent, proving itself, proving itself, proving itself.
00:08:45.000And so if someone doesn't have the Holy Spirit of discernment, they read it as a bunch of gibberish.
00:08:52.000You said something so important that I'll shut up for a minute, Gerald.
00:08:55.000And that is, in the 70s and 80s, I mean, there I was, not just going to our church, but I would also go with my friends to their church.
00:09:03.000And it was like there were all these movies and films, and people were really awake, and there was going to be a one-world government, and the beast system in Brussels, and a beast computer.
00:09:38.000And so this is a big deal, and this is 100% real.
00:09:41.000And then I think about the experiences I had in Dallas particularly, and then coming to Austin, and then being around Hollywood, which I never tried to be in, but it wanted me to be in it.
00:09:50.000And it was Satanism, Luciferianism, sex parties, the whole nine yards.
00:09:55.000I never got into rituals, but I was picked up by chicks repeatedly trying to recruit me into things in Dallas and a decade later in Hollywood.
00:10:04.000Austin's more new agey, not a lot of that here.
00:10:06.000But that's almost a more creepy form of it.
00:10:08.000So I've really, you know, I never fell away and said, I denounce God, God isn't real, I'm an atheist.
00:10:15.000But I mean, I was in points in my life where I wasn't taking drugs really, but I was drinking and a lot of women and on a power trip and really prideful about how, you know, I was, and I'd say I got, I'd say I was kind of corrupt, let's say maybe 14 to about 20.
00:10:31.000Uh, and then I kind of rediscovered God and then the Holy Spirit much more stronger than when I was saved when I was about 10.
00:10:37.000And then literally God started talking to me and showing me things and like, and I would have dreams that came true and all these things.
00:10:42.000And I just, now I get stronger and stronger and stronger to where you talk about spiritual warfare.
00:11:14.000No flesh will be spared if God doesn't intervene.
00:11:17.000And I want to bring something back up that you said, and I'll get to that in just a second, what you just said, no flesh will be spared unless God intervenes.
00:11:23.000There's some great quotes for us that really help us in Scripture that say that unless the Lord guards the city, the watchman watches in vain.
00:11:48.000What am I supposed to do in the next five years of my life if by chance the Lord allows me to have those?
00:11:53.000They started looking kind of into the future and they were so heavenly minded that they were no earthly good is what my pastors would say every once in a while.
00:11:59.000But churches got away from preaching about Revelation and Daniel and some other topics that are very, very interesting and very important topics because it basically gives you the opportunity to point at Scripture and go, God called that, right?
00:12:12.000In Ezekiel, when it talks about the dry bones and the nation of Israel coming back, that's something that has to happen for the rapture to happen, for the tribulation to happen.
00:12:20.000It talks about them having A temple and having sacrifices and then having the abomination that causes desolation set up.
00:12:26.000Well, if Israel isn't a country, if Israel doesn't have the land, there is no temple, right?
00:12:40.000It was impossible for us to all watch the two witnesses at the Wailing Wall.
00:12:43.000And it says that when those guys are killed because they've tormented people for this period of time, Just by speaking the truth and withholding rain to basically say, guys, you have to listen.
00:13:13.000But none of that technologically was even possible.
00:13:16.000And so when churches don't get into this, I think they're doing a bit of a disservice to their congregations because it's almost, think about what we have now with kind of the cancel culture, right?
00:13:25.000We're obviously both very familiar with how that works in our society.
00:13:29.000You start to create a vacuum where people go, okay, well, you're not talking about this, so I'm gonna go listen to 15 or 16 or 20 other people over here talking about it, and I may not be grabbing good information, right?
00:13:40.000So when you start canceling people in our industry, you start pushing them off into the fringes.
00:13:45.000You can't easily point out the people who are absolutely out of their minds and go, you know what, don't listen to that guy.
00:13:57.000I can see that this person's not correct and not a reliable person to judge or to listen to, to kind of judge whether the world is actually coming to an end or not.
00:14:05.000And it actually does a disservice to people.
00:14:07.000So I think the church has done a bad job with that.
00:14:08.000Let me just lay a little bit of groundwork here.
00:14:11.000It's important that you understand this.
00:14:15.000It is not important that you debate this to the death with other believers.
00:14:19.000People tend to get into these things and go, you know what, I'm a new King James Bible person or a King James Bible person and there are no other translations that absolutely are the Word of God and you're a heretic and you're going to hell if you read the NIV.
00:14:31.000They tend to kind of draw these lines where we shouldn't.
00:14:47.000The operating system of the New World War and the UN is Luciferianism.
00:14:51.000They've got a Lucius Lucifer trust that runs the prayer chapel in New York at the UN.
00:14:58.000I've had these people try to recruit me and some of it It wasn't just in high school, or then later when I was in Hollywood some.
00:15:05.000It's happened since then, where very well-known household names said, hey, we want you to go to this event in Reykjavik, or this event in Switzerland, and it's New Age-y, but we're, Lucifer's not really bad, we're gonna call in Lucifer to fix the problems.
00:15:19.000So, I mean, I start thinking about how much of this we, Bohemian Grove, I sneak in there, I hear there's this ritual, they're doing a ritual to the devil, Under all these Canaanite names.
00:15:28.000It's like Ghostbusters or something, but for real.
00:15:30.000And I look over, and the old men are more intense than when I was in Holy Roller Churches.
00:15:36.000You know, because Holy Roller Churches, great people are like, oh, we love you, Lord.
00:15:41.000All I'm telling people is, I don't know if you've experienced stuff like this, but I'm telling you, if you've seen the stuff I've seen, and I know God put me in those places to see that, so I can now witness this to people, you would know that God is real.
00:15:57.000The whole rapture thing, okay, there's all this scary stuff coming, and the Bible's being fulfilled so far, because people can see it starting to be fulfilled in the 70s and 80s, technology.
00:16:06.000So people go, oh my gosh, this really is happening.
00:16:08.000And then people go, oh, but we're going to be raptured, so let's just go to sleep and stop looking at it.
00:16:13.000Half the folks, or whatever percentage it is, a certain percentage are scared and don't really want to be bothered with it, because it is awesome, it is scary.
00:17:11.000I just know that God's real and the devil's real.
00:17:14.000It's about to get real messy, one way or the other, right?
00:17:17.000So look, a lot of people believe in what's called a rapture.
00:17:19.000And if you're wondering what that is, that's a topic that's alluded to in scripture.
00:17:22.000I believe it's 1 Thessalonians 4 that mentions being caught up to heaven, kind of in the twinkling of an eye.
00:17:27.000And there's a word that's used there, harpazo, right?
00:17:29.000And that's where they talk about this rapture, like this instantaneous, like catching up to be with God.
00:17:34.000And then at some point, there is a period of seven years that's called either the Time of Jacob's Trouble, I think, in Jeremiah, or the Tribulation, right?
00:17:42.000A lot of people look at the Tribulation and are like, oh, it's a seven-year period.
00:17:45.000The entire Tribulation is this seven-year period, but really, the really scary thing, Alex, is that the Antichrist, when he comes to power, is accepted with open arms.
00:17:57.000This person doesn't come in as a conquering kind of dictator.
00:18:08.000And before COVID-19 hit, most of you out there right now probably thought, like, there's no way the world would just kind of jump in lockstep on something like this and kind of give up their freedoms willingly and shut down the entire world economy and not ask really important questions.
00:18:20.000There's no way big tech would, like, completely censor genuine doctors asking questions about this stuff.
00:19:20.000And three and a half really bad years and that's what we talk about.
00:19:23.000That's the tribulation, that three and a half years.
00:19:25.000So, this seven year period ends, then there's a Millennial Kingdom, which is a thousand year rule of Christ on Earth, New Jerusalem, the whole thing, and then at the end of that there's what they call the White Throne Judgment, New Heaven, New Earth, right?
00:19:44.000Like, at the end of the thousand years, so Satan is bound and they're thrown into the pit for a thousand years, then he lets him out for a little while, and there's, again, there's this additional battle that happens, and then there's the final battle.
00:20:17.000So some people believe that we're in the millennium right now, and if so, a lot of pastors have said, well, if that's true, then the devil's chain is too long, because he's obviously on the mark.
00:20:24.000Yeah, well, there's that teaching that supposedly Titus sacked Jerusalem, and that was the end of the world then.
00:20:30.000I mean, it doesn't have all the technology, the mark of the beast.
00:21:35.000Matthew's whole thing was writing to the Jews and it was talking about two different times.
00:21:39.000Jesus at one time was talking to the public during the day and the other time he was kind of having secret briefing meetings with his disciples at night.
00:21:48.000And so that's why there's some confusion about whether that actually already happened and we're in a millennium or that there is no millennial kingdom.
00:21:54.000That's just really some kind of... But really it's men looking at the same mountain range from different angles.
00:22:00.000You're looking at the story and you're not taking into context who he's writing to and also like very simple things that said, and before these things, this stuff will happen.
00:22:11.000One says before and goes down this entire list.
00:22:13.000The other says after and goes down this other way.
00:22:15.000That's a different conversation, but we've kind of looped those things together and it's caused a lot of confusion.
00:22:20.000All you really need to know is, there is a Tribulation, there is a Millennial Kingdom, the Bible definitely discusses it, I don't allegorize it, I tend to take the Bible more seriously, and the more that I do that, the more that I see Scripture being fulfilled.
00:22:33.000That women will become men, men will become women, your children will be set up over you.
00:22:59.000Is it at the midpoint, so before the bad time starts?
00:23:02.000Is it at the very end, because Christians don't get to be exempt from the kind of, I guess, persecution that they've experienced?
00:23:08.000Well, it says the beast will wage war against the saints and overcome them.
00:23:11.000So if you want to speak against, because to me it says Christ comes back, the archangel bounds Satan, and then the dead in Christ are raised, and that's the tribulation to me.
00:23:21.000To me it happens at the end of the battle of Armageddon.
00:23:24.000I mean, it seems to me like a ten-year-old could do that.
00:23:34.000Hey, if that's what you believe, that's fine.
00:23:36.000But then you're not going to be ready for what's already going down.
00:23:38.000Right, so your responsibility is the same as a believer or somebody who's maybe interested in what, you know, I guess the Bible has to say about how the world is going to go because looking around you're probably thinking, my goodness, things are not necessarily getting better, they're getting worse.
00:23:52.000I tend to come down on a pre-tribulation kind of viewpoint, right?
00:24:10.000He said, I will return to my place until they acknowledge their offense and then I will come to them.
00:24:15.000This is God-fulfilling prophecy from Daniel.
00:24:18.000It's the 70th week of Daniel that talks about this very specifically, and not only predicts when Messiah will come, but also predicts this period of time that will be unlike any other time.
00:24:29.000That's exactly what the Bible is describing, because if you look at some of the numbers that it talks about for how many people will be killed, it is far, far, far worse.
00:24:36.000But this is the last chance of a loving father saying, I'm giving you one final opportunity, and I'm going to do some things.
00:24:43.000I'm going to tell you that I'm going to do them.
00:25:06.000In Joshua, you know, when they're talking about the city of Jericho and the battle there, and they march around the walls and then they scream and the walls fall down.
00:25:12.000All the kids know that from Bible stories when you're a young kid.
00:25:16.000The part of it that we don't talk a whole lot about is this two witness part.
00:25:40.000It's a pattern that God is laying down.
00:25:42.000Exactly, so it just lays down this pattern throughout scripture.
00:25:46.000So the next thing that makes me believe that if you look at Revelation 3 it talks about the letters to the seven churches and it actually starts in chapter 2 but in chapter 3 it comes to the Church of Philadelphia.
00:25:56.000A lot of people will make a big deal about how these churches actually represent kind of church ages so to speak, like an apostate church or a missionary church or an evangelical church or A lukewarm church, right?
00:26:08.000So you can look at all of these and kind of study that.
00:26:09.000That's a really interesting thing to do.
00:26:11.000The Church of Philadelphia, it actually says, and I'll quote it here in just a little bit, it actually says that if you hold on, I will keep you, I will remove you from the time of trouble.
00:26:36.000Trust me, if you've read Revelation, I don't want to be around for the last three and a half years of the seventh year.
00:26:40.000I don't want to be around for the first part of it because there's going to be this guy coming on the stage that everybody who's a Christian, if you're still around, you're going to know that's the Antichrist.
00:26:49.000Things are about to get really bad and it's not going to be a fun time to be around.
00:26:53.000And he's going to be healing people and miracles and all the high tech.
00:26:57.000Politically, he's going to come to power first, and it's going to be just this sweeping thing.
00:27:01.000Can you imagine somebody from, like, Romania or, you know, pick some country over in kind of Eastern Europe.
00:27:06.000Can you imagine somebody coming to power right now and the entire world just bowing down to this person and saying, absolutely, yes, this person.
00:27:14.000What is it the Antichrist, you've studied more than I have, what's the devil able to do to make people go into this delusion and worship this guy?
00:27:30.000So this time of trouble where people are looking and willing to give up freedom for security.
00:27:35.000We've been willing to do that throughout history.
00:27:37.000So the devil comes up with a solution Yep.
00:27:39.000There's a person who comes in and has the solution, can bring world peace, can unite people that you never thought could unite, and really what marks the beginning of this is the signing of a treaty with Israel.
00:27:49.000And so Israel signs a treaty with all of its neighbors to have peace.
00:27:52.000It's a seven-year treaty, and that's where that seven-year tribunal is.
00:27:55.000It was kind of scary when Trump was getting that done.
00:27:57.000I know, right, when he moved the embassy.
00:28:00.000But that was fantastic, but there was no peace treaty with the neighbors.
00:28:04.000No, I mean, it was good what he was doing, but I'm just saying it was still kind of like, whoa, it's happening.
00:28:16.000It's Russia and it's allies that typically people believe that are the armies that come down and invade, but really the seven year treaty is what kicks it off.
00:28:23.000So, if you're looking for the start of this, either you won't be here, and maybe we were correct in thinking that the church would be pulled out, or you'll see a treaty signed and you'll be here but only for the good part, or you'll be here for all of it.
00:28:35.000Either way, doesn't change what you do.
00:29:33.000Right, it says that right at the start.
00:29:35.000At the very start, and we read right over it and go, okay, well this is just a revelation to John.
00:29:38.000No, John is there as a witness to record.
00:29:41.000Now, he has a problem because he's seeing stuff that he has no idea how to describe.
00:29:45.000But, at the same time, he's doing his best when he says that you've got something that spews sulfur out of its mouth and it's got the power to sting you in its tail.
00:30:00.000Soldiers behind it could be the tail because they have weapons and they can sting for the tail.
00:30:04.000Okay, if you're John and you have, you know, horses and buggies, It's hard to describe these kinds of things in a way that will make sense.
00:32:00.000I'm not saying he's the devil, but whatever's running him is like a lieutenant to Satan.
00:32:06.000We'll get into a little bit about spiritual warfare, but I think that is 100% spot on that there are people that are influenced very, very, very heavily by evil and scripture talks a lot about that.
00:32:28.000So 70 weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness and seal both the vision and profit, and to anoint the most holy place.
00:32:45.000So we are not at the end of that 70 week period yet, or some of those things would have happened.
00:32:50.000Some of those things might be able to happen in the first 69, and then there's a pause, and then there's a 70th week of Daniel, which is what it gets into.
00:32:56.000No, therefore and understand and this is this is the prediction to the day of when Jesus would come and present himself as Messiah that so many people miss know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem to coming of the anointed one a prince was his Messiah there shall be seven weeks then from Then for 62 weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
00:33:20.000And so that's talking about when they're building the city, when they're rebuilding Jerusalem, you're actually going to have to build with one hand and have a sword in the other hand.
00:33:26.000And I believe they talk about that a little bit in Nehemiah, right?
00:33:28.000So Artaxerxes Longinus actually gives the decree for them to go and rebuild the city, and they do.
00:34:40.000He does that over and over and over again.
00:34:43.000When his mom comes to him at the wedding of Cana, one of my favorite miracles because I'm a wine guy, and says, I want you to take care of this problem.
00:35:27.000And he actually said, some people came up to him, some of the leaders, the spiritual leaders, and said, make sure, tell your people not to do what they're doing right now because they're saying, Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest.
00:35:54.000It's an incredible letter, and it chills talking about that.
00:35:56.000But how can the Jews, and I know they get mad about this, we love them to death, and a lot of them are coming to Christ, how can they get mad when the Messiah told them and then it all came true?
00:36:09.000You mentioned it earlier when people were, I think you were talking about them praying in public and making these eloquent prayers, and then you've got this sinner over there that says, have mercy on me God, I am a sinner.
00:36:19.000That's the heart that he wants, not somebody praying in public for public recognition.
00:36:22.000Well, he prayed in private, but he wasn't making a big show of things.
00:36:30.000If he did something in public, like he danced before God without his tunic on, like he had pants on but probably no shirt, he danced before God, there was nothing wrong with that because it was genuine.
00:36:39.000What God had a problem with, what Jesus, God in human form, had a problem with was fake Fake belief, fake sincerity, fake piety.
00:36:48.000People who said one thing, did another thing, and then actually lorded it over kind of the lady, the people, right?
00:36:55.000And said, hey, you guys have to do all of these things because of God, and I am God's minister, but I'm cheating, I'm doing all these things that I shouldn't be doing, but don't worry about that.
00:37:05.000That's why he called them whitewashed tombs.
00:37:06.000Well, Gerald, if you had a national, which you have with your great Stephen Crowder, if you had a national TV show preached every week, I'd tune in, you're smart, man.
00:37:40.000You can actually have that mean seven years, right?
00:37:42.000So it's just kind of a figure of speech.
00:37:44.000And so Daniel kind of gives that to us in verse 27, and make a strong covenant with many for one week and for half of the week, so the first half, so that you don't miss it.
00:37:52.000By the way, the book of Revelation says it three different ways.
00:37:55.000It says 300, I can't remember the number of days, it's like 1200 and something days, three and a half years, and it gives you the months.
00:38:00.000It does months, weeks, years, multiple times to make sure that you understand it's a three and a half year period.
00:38:05.000It's 360 day years though, which is very interesting to me.
00:38:08.000Somebody can do some research on that.
00:38:10.000I think there's a really interesting book out there called When Worlds Collide that talks about potentially how the calendar can change around a little bit.
00:38:18.000But what do we say to the average person who doesn't believe in God but then really worships the system?
00:38:24.000What are they gonna do as this world government comes in that surveils you with AI,
00:38:30.000and you've gotta submit and follow everything it tells you, or it takes your right to have a job,
00:38:34.000or eat, or live, or travel, and basically kills you.
00:38:37.000I mean, that is, you've gotta worship the beast to get the mark of the beast,
00:38:42.000and so what do you think, what is, we know the devil is the Antichrist,
00:38:45.000but what is the beast system, Gerald, in your view, and then what is it we have to do to get this mark?
00:38:51.000Because like you said, you don't get it by accident, so how do you refuse it?
00:38:55.000So you'll know, but the good thing is that you will know.
00:38:58.000Nobody will ever accidentally take the mark of the beast, and that was a question that a lot of people had,
00:39:02.000like, look with RFID tags, with, I don't know, pull out your phone, like if you live in China,
00:39:06.000basically you take out your phone, and it scans it, and that's how you buy stuff,
00:39:10.000that's how you see if you're qualified to get on an airplane, or a train, or get a car loan,
00:39:14.000maybe go to college if your ESG score, essentially, social credit score.
00:40:03.000You read Revelation and you're like, how do they do it?
00:40:05.000You worship it, you got to submit, and then you get the mark.
00:40:09.000It's not like you just agree to take it.
00:40:10.000You have to worship it and do whatever it says.
00:40:13.000They have all these patents where you're watched by AI in lifetime and you follow its orders completely or it's taken away from you.
00:40:20.000So you become a robot and turn your free will over and become an extension of Antichrist.
00:40:25.000I mean, and so God's like, yeah, you've cut yourself off when I made you and gave you all this creativity and all this freedom and free will.
00:40:57.000What is it you've got to do that's so bad in the process, that to get that mark, to get that sign, you've done the ultimate sin, or you've done something so bad, God says, it's not just that you took it, it's like to get that mark, to me, is what did it.
00:41:09.000Yeah, so this is, really, this is the final chance.
00:41:12.000I think it's just the final straw kind of thing.
00:41:56.000But it describes, OK, well, you know, think of the practical things that could happen.
00:42:00.000Somebody can set up a co-op and have believers around the world.
00:42:03.000There's some kind of a system where they're trying to kind of help people be fed and help people get moved out of cities that are, I guess, locking down.
00:43:29.000Not just an enemy ideologically, not just somebody that I need to make sure doesn't run for office and win, but somebody who should not have a job, a way to provide for their family, a place to live, or even- And that's why China's the model.
00:43:41.000So from your research, the model, because you've done a better job than I have, I always remember in Sunday School and stuff, they're gonna be guillotines, chop a Christian's heads off.
00:43:49.000I mean, what does the Bible actually say about that versus what people made up?
00:43:53.000So if you don't have the mark of the beast, if you refuse to worship, the punishment of choice is separating you from your head, which is typically fatal.
00:45:17.000Absolutely, and he kind of based everything off of that.
00:45:19.000What's really interesting, maybe we can do another one on this.
00:45:22.000So when we talk about eschatology, there are players in this, like there's the beast, there's the Antichrist, and so you've got kind of the false prophet.
00:45:28.000You've got all these kind of characters at play in Christianity, and we go, okay, those are the bad guys.
00:45:33.000The Messiah coming back, so Jesus coming back, that's the good guy.
00:45:36.000If you study Islamic eschatology, they have the same cast of characters, except the roles are reversed.
00:45:43.000All of the bad guys for them are the good guys, and our good guy actually becomes a prophet for them.
00:45:49.000Jesus is a prophet that actually comes and allows Muhammad to take center stage.
00:45:53.000It is absolutely mind-blowing when you dive into it.
00:46:11.000If they think to bring back their kind of world order that they want, their messiah essentially, they have to make the world so bad.
00:46:19.000I just described to you a scenario where the world is going to get so bad that somebody coming to power, it's going to be very easy for us to hand over our freedom and our liberty because they'll make the world better and we need somebody to do that.
00:46:37.000This is wild how the Jews sit there and come out with the amazing stuff that's in the Torah and then they're waiting for it and then when it finally comes it changes the whole world and empowers all these societies and creates the Renaissance and everything we have and they just go, nope, we're not accepting that.
00:47:13.000What they didn't understand is that they missed that he would first be a suffering servant.
00:47:18.000That there are two times the Messiah comes.
00:47:21.000They were looking for the second time.
00:47:23.000He came the first time and did this, and Jesus even quoted this, and I'll butcher the quote if I do it, but it's when he stands up and the scroll is unraveled, and he reads kind of a thing from Isaiah, and he stops.
00:47:36.000And where he stopped was actually a point where it's, I think it's talking about setting captives free, I think.
00:47:41.000Don't quote me on this, I could be just getting this a slight bit off.
00:47:44.000And he stops kind of at a comma, so to speak.
00:47:46.000The comma didn't exist, we inserted that, but he stopped right there.
00:47:48.000And right after that, it's referring to the second time when it's talking about judgment and destruction.
00:47:54.000Because if he had come back the first time with condemnation for sinners, people who had completely rejected God, none of us would have had a chance.
00:48:02.000We wouldn't have been born in the first place, but people would not even have had a chance.
00:48:04.000But he stopped right there and the Jews missed it because they saw present conditions suck.
00:48:10.000Rome occupies us, we don't even control it.
00:48:13.000And how are you gonna get a Messiah that fixes everything if everybody doesn't go under it?
00:49:09.000You start to tell stories that you don't really understand and you're like, oh my gosh, I don't really understand what they're talking about with the moon and the stars and the sun and the lady and this beast.
00:49:18.000If you understand your Old Testament, that gets very clear very quickly.
00:49:23.000That is why the church has messed up so much on the Book of Revelation because the church doesn't spend a lot of time teaching you the Old Testament and giving you a verse by verse by verse understanding of what the Bible says.
00:49:34.000Well, Christ said he came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to override it.
00:49:36.000Exactly. He's like, I came to fulfill all of the law, not to get rid of it.
00:49:40.000Every single thing that has been said in Scripture will be fulfilled.
00:49:55.000And you won't fall victim to all of these theories.
00:49:56.000I think you have to know the Old Testament to know that.
00:49:58.000You do. But most people think about this.
00:50:00.000When you're a Christian, I mean, growing up in the 90s, I was a Christian.
00:50:04.000I was in church, and I read mostly the New Testament.
00:50:07.000I really wasn't studying the Old Testament until I got into my 20s and went to ministry school, and I was like, I just can't get enough of this.
00:50:20.000There are some things that will just blow your mind in scripture where you're like, I had no idea that when Moses lifted up a snake on a brass snake and people looked upon it, they were healed of the afflictions.
00:50:31.000And Christ refers to that and says, just like when Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, the son of man will be lifted up and he who looks upon me will be healed.
00:50:39.000It was a pattern that he was laying down in scripture, but most people miss that because they never read the first story in the first place.
00:50:44.000And the pattern's key because it connects it all together energetically, spiritually.
00:50:47.000And you see the patterns being fulfilled, right?
00:50:50.000God using patterns to kind of set prophecy and those things being fulfilled.
00:50:54.000So it's very important to understand the Old Testament.
00:50:55.000So I'd highly encourage you to do that.
00:50:57.000If you want to study the book of Revelation, there's a lot of great people out there that you can look at.
00:51:01.000I highly recommend Chuck Missler just because I think he's the right kind of teacher.
00:51:06.000He'll talk to you about stuff that's interesting, but he'll say it's conjecture, not to hold onto that too tightly.
00:51:10.000But he'll also tell you verse by verse by verse and link you back to the Old Testament every single time.
00:51:15.000If there's one thing about what Chuck Misler did, he died in 2018 but he was just a phenomenal teacher.
00:51:21.000He would take, I think, 30 hours to go through the book of Revelation and kind of walk you through all of this because he's going back to the Old Testament so much to kind of show you, okay, this is what it's talking about.
00:51:35.000What I'm seeing the Great Awakening happening, the third Great Christian Awakening that we've had in the last 300 years, it's not that the church is even teaching this, when it should be, because this is the reality.
00:51:49.000It's that people are out in the world and seeing the Satanism and the occultism and the devil worship and the destruction and the attack on God, the attack on family.
00:53:53.000Because the world is a very terrible place.
00:53:55.000It's very sad when you have movies coming up about human trafficking, and that's just one fraction of the debauchery that is on this planet.
00:54:03.000The things that we do to each other make God cry.
00:54:07.000And it all comes to an end and he wipes away every single tear from every single eye and you don't have to worry about that anymore.
00:54:13.000Evil is finally dealt with and justice.
00:54:15.000And I think that's something really important to say here.
00:54:17.000And I know we're taping this today so when you put it in post maybe you can add AOC and Al Gore and Beto saying the world ends in 2030.
00:54:25.000They mean they're artificially collapsing things to consolidate power and depopulate.
00:54:30.000But really, you've all know Harari and Bill Gates and them saying, the future's not human, by 2047 there'll be no humans, you must merge the machines or we'll get rid of you.
00:54:41.000They're the ones saying it's the end of the world.
00:54:44.000They are literally fulfilling prophecy.
00:54:46.000I remember my grandfather would say, The devil can't help it.
00:54:52.000And that's the thing is, they think we're the ones saying it to the world.
00:54:55.000No, we're trying to keep the gas pipelines going.
00:54:56.000We're trying to keep the nitrogen going.
00:54:58.000We're trying to keep the farming going.
00:54:59.000We're trying to stop wars, stabilize the third world.
00:55:02.000We're not like, oh, we want the end of the world, let's drink Kool-Aid.
00:55:04.000It's the left and the globalists that are fulfilling it to bring in the crisis, and then they can stop the crisis because they're running it with their antichrist.
00:55:14.000Well, in our next episode of this, we're actually going to dive into that because that's where spiritual warfare comes in.
00:55:18.000If you think that it's just maybe some demonic possession things where somebody's head spins around and they vomit green stuff at you, think again.
00:55:58.000And you're going to gain access to The Hodge Twins Uncensored, Nick DiPaolo's show, Brian Callen's weekly show, Mr. Guns and Gear, and of course, the white whale himself, Alex Jones.
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