Louder with Crowder - May 30, 2025


Andrew Wilson on the Infiltration of the Church: Feminism, NGOs and the Battle for Christianity!


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In this episode of the Friday Show, we discuss the growing trend of women in leadership roles in the Christian church, and why this is a problem. We also discuss the role of men in leadership in the church and why we need more men to be involved in church.

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00:00:59.000 Welcome to the Friday Show.
00:01:01.000 Thank you very much for joining us today.
00:01:04.000 Fridays sometimes are a bit of a grab bag.
00:01:05.000 We have episodes where we talk about the current events that are going on.
00:01:10.000 Sometimes there's so much in the news, either with India-Pakistan or Russia-Ukraine or something else where we're going to dive into that.
00:01:15.000 Sometimes we do the behind the scenes, but other times we have special guests and we get to talk about some subjects that are near and dear to me and maybe things that you haven't.
00:01:26.000 We get to talk a little bit about some trends within the church and some of the movement that we're seeing.
00:01:35.000 Frankly, I'm glad that we're having this conversation because it's necessary and it's been long overdue.
00:01:42.000 The church in America is definitely changing.
00:01:45.000 A lot of times that change is for the positive and results in really, really good movements in the church.
00:01:52.000 Sometimes that change actually Pushes things in a direction that we don't necessarily want them to go.
00:01:57.000 And I'll be a little bit more clear once we jump into the subject here.
00:01:59.000 But one of the trends that I have noticed is women. 0.94
00:02:09.000 So in the Catholic Church, that's true.
00:02:10.000 According to a recent Pew study, mostly dominated by women.
00:02:15.000 Definitely in the Protestant Church, that's true.
00:02:17.000 In the mainland Protestant Church, also in the black Protestant Church, it's very true. 1.00
00:02:22.000 It makes up a very significant majority of the church.
00:02:25.000 and there are a couple of exceptions to this rule.
00:02:28.000 And one of the reasons that I want to talk about that is because...
00:02:35.000 We need to make sure that we're not allowing churches to just not necessarily just be run by women, but we don't want women to have to take this role that God has given to men to kind of be the leaders in faith. 0.86
00:02:47.000 And we need more men to be involved in church and to be going to church and to be leading in church.
00:02:54.000 And that's a very, very important topic.
00:02:55.000 So the two groups.
00:02:57.000 Not really in Christianity.
00:02:58.000 One of them is.
00:02:59.000 One of them kind of is Christian adjacent, the Mormons.
00:03:02.000 I'm sorry, guys, you understand we have some issues, right?
00:03:04.000 So predominantly male, and I think I understand the recruiting brochure there is a little different.
00:03:08.000 You know, sometimes not everybody does the polygamy thing.
00:03:11.000 Maybe not anybody anymore, but, you know, that's kind of a thing.
00:03:14.000 That's a good selling point.
00:03:15.000 And then the Orthodox Church.
00:03:18.000 I think it's something like 60% men, 40% women, which is a huge, huge difference from other mainline churches.
00:03:25.000 And obviously, How are you, sir?
00:03:35.000 I'm good.
00:03:35.000 Thank you for having me back.
00:03:36.000 I really appreciate it.
00:03:37.000 Absolutely.
00:03:38.000 You can see today I have my battle armor on.
00:03:41.000 No hat to hide a bald spot.
00:03:43.000 There's no bald spot, just the hat's really cool.
00:03:46.000 But I have the battle armor on today in case this turns into a drag-out, brutal debate.
00:03:52.000 No, I'm kidding.
00:03:53.000 Dear God, no.
00:03:54.000 Help! 0.98
00:03:56.000 No, but I wanted to jump into some of this with you.
00:03:58.000 You and I had some really good conversations recently about this.
00:04:01.000 You were on the show recently.
00:04:03.000 And we thought it'd be a good episode to do for Gerald Apologizes Apologetics.
00:04:07.000 Music Gerald Apologizes Apologetics.
00:04:14.000 It doesn't mean that!
00:04:17.000 It does not mean that, but neither way.
00:04:19.000 Neither here nor there.
00:04:20.000 So Andrew, We also talked about it being on Rumble, and since we're a big Rumble house here, I just wanted to make sure.
00:04:27.000 Can people find you on Rumble as well?
00:04:29.000 Yeah, they can, and I don't know.
00:04:31.000 Who knows?
00:04:31.000 Maybe we'll get in this Rumble lineup thing.
00:04:33.000 There you go.
00:04:33.000 I do have a show in mind for it, but yeah, you can actually find us on Rumble.
00:04:38.000 The best place that you can find us to support us is thecrucible.video.
00:04:42.000 That's where you'll find our entire backlog.
00:04:44.000 Some of the funniest stuff you'll ever see online.
00:04:47.000 Also, some of the most entertaining.
00:04:49.000 There you go.
00:04:49.000 Hope to see all of you there.
00:04:50.000 Go over there and follow him on X at PaleoChristCon.
00:04:54.000 I love following you on X. It's a bit of a treat because I think sometimes you just spend your days looking for your next victim.
00:05:01.000 Not always in a mean-spirited sort of way.
00:05:04.000 If you watched our Ash Wednesday episode, sometimes you have to put their face right back in the mirror to make sure that they understand what really is going on.
00:05:13.000 Let's talk about that, because you and I were discussing this and looking for kind of a stat that we thought people would be interested in and find kind of interesting and compelling, and I think what we found was that Pew stat, that most of these other denominations, most of these other kind of branches of Christianity, not denominations, but branches, essentially are run and kind of populated mostly by women.
00:05:34.000 What do you attribute that to?
00:05:36.000 NGOs and feminism. 1.00
00:05:38.000 I mean, like, here's the truth.
00:05:41.000 So we started looking into this a couple years ago, because this actually blew my mind as well.
00:05:46.000 NGOs, there's many NGOs, and private corporate donors, in fact, who allocate large portions of their budget towards the infiltration of various churches around the country.
00:05:56.000 Especially, you've seen megachurches, right?
00:05:58.000 Protestant megachurches.
00:06:00.000 So I'll explain how this is done.
00:06:02.000 They call it clergy training.
00:06:05.000 So what they'll do is they'll come in and say, hey, look, we want to train your clergy for the problems of modernity.
00:06:12.000 We'll have professional psychologists come in.
00:06:14.000 They'll assist with the training and this and that.
00:06:16.000 And what it actually does is it erodes the system over time inside of these more traditional churches.
00:06:23.000 And they become soft towards issues they were not soft on before.
00:06:27.000 And so a lot of it is actually infiltration.
00:06:29.000 And the second part of it is that feminists see it as a position of power. 1.00
00:06:33.000 So, inside of these churches, think of it on a local issues, on the local level.
00:06:40.000 Where are the power bases?
00:06:42.000 Well, you can have local politics, but actually, surprisingly, on the local level, unless you're in big cities, your local politicians don't really have that much power, at least not influence-wise, over people.
00:06:54.000 Your church leaders do.
00:06:56.000 Absolutely.
00:06:56.000 Especially in smaller towns, smaller areas.
00:06:59.000 They're probably revered more, too.
00:07:00.000 Yeah.
00:07:00.000 Like, you look at it kind of as a natural outlook.
00:07:02.000 Well, and it gives you credibility, right?
00:07:03.000 It gives you credibility, and it gives you status, and this type of thing.
00:07:06.000 It used to give you preferred seating on airlines.
00:07:07.000 That's right.
00:07:08.000 And a lot of women actually see that as an opportunity for them to move into powerful positions. 1.00
00:07:14.000 And another reason that this happens is because...
00:07:19.000 Okay, let me set it up to make sure...
00:07:22.000 What's about to happen, Andrew?
00:07:23.000 This is about to get taken out of context, but...
00:07:30.000 And when they want to reform, they will move into kind of weaker churches where they can kind of keep the progressive attitudes, right?
00:07:42.000 They can keep the progressive attitudes.
00:07:44.000 And what they're really looking for is not being judged.
00:07:47.000 I don't want to be judged.
00:07:49.000 Well, what's really going on is they're trying to kind of jot
00:07:53.000 their faith into buying a new reputation yeah and I see that I call these types of women sewing circle Christians and I believe that this is one of the biggest problems in Protestant churches that there is is that there's lots and lots of women who want to leverage their faith to buy a new reputation and what they're supposed to be doing is falling on their knees begging for forgiveness right and doing everything in their power to create a reconciliation between um the
00:08:21.000 You know, between their past and their faith through humility.
00:08:25.000 That's the point, right?
00:08:26.000 Not to buy a new reputation.
00:08:28.000 That would be the opposite of Christian ethics, right?
00:08:30.000 Yeah.
00:08:31.000 I think part of, obviously, you know, the process of forgiveness is realizing, or the process of, you know, coming to Christ and having a faith is realizing that you're a sinner in need of a Savior.
00:08:41.000 Yes.
00:08:41.000 And that's the whole process of taking responsibility for past actions, not necessarily letting the shame and guilt from those things keep you down.
00:08:47.000 That's exactly what Satan wants.
00:08:48.000 You're too bad to ever come to God.
00:08:50.000 Why would we never accept you, right?
00:08:52.000 But you do have to face what you've done.
00:08:55.000 And that apart from Christ, that is exactly who you are.
00:08:58.000 And you're right.
00:08:59.000 You can't just come in and say, now I'm a member of X church and that makes me somewhat holy.
00:09:04.000 And it doesn't, My wife has, you know, she's been keeping a close eye on it.
00:09:15.000 The people who are around the Whatever podcast who are recently Reformed Christians have been keeping a close eye on it, so I have as well.
00:09:22.000 But what happens is a lot of these women will come in after having kind of done these horrible things in their life, right, been very promiscuous, this and that, and they say, well, why don't these Christian men want me? 0.80
00:09:32.000 I'm Reformed.
00:09:34.000 Christ is my savior.
00:09:35.000 Well, they're not trying to take that away from you.
00:09:37.000 And your sins are washed away through the blood of Christ.
00:09:40.000 But that doesn't mean that your reputation goes with it.
00:09:43.000 And you shouldn't have any expectation as a woman that you're going to get a virtuous, Chad Christian man when you have spent your life on your back, right? 0.98
00:09:56.000 And this is kind of a false expectation, which happens.
00:10:03.000 You can't hold that against me.
00:10:04.000 I'm reformed.
00:10:05.000 It's like, well, whether you are or you're not, that doesn't mean that Christian men are obligated to be with you or, you know, to do something like this, right?
00:10:15.000 It takes away the consequence for your actions.
00:10:16.000 It's clearly spelled out in the Bible.
00:10:18.000 There may be earthly consequences to whatever sin you've committed.
00:10:21.000 You can be forgiven and you can be saved, but...
00:10:26.000 Or you might still have the reputation of a harlot.
00:10:30.000 And the thing is, it doesn't mean we don't want you in the church.
00:10:34.000 It doesn't mean we don't want you with Christ.
00:10:36.000 It doesn't mean that over time you can't change your reputation anyway.
00:10:40.000 What it does mean, though, is that men still are going to have preferences.
00:10:44.000 And them being a Christian, maybe a lot of them can look past a lot of that type of behavior.
00:10:49.000 But the ones who can't, they don't have any obligation to do so because you are also a Christian.
00:10:54.000 That's insane.
00:10:55.000 But that's part of the buying of the new reputation that I'm talking about.
00:10:55.000 Right.
00:10:58.000 Yeah.
00:10:59.000 Well, we need that incentive structure in place so that women look at that as a cautionary tale and go, hey. 1.00
00:11:03.000 You're incentivized to make good decisions now.
00:11:05.000 Yes.
00:11:06.000 Because if you don't, you may end up like this.
00:11:08.000 If you can just kind of do whatever you want to do, and this goes for men too, sleeping around, if you can have that kind of reputation, men don't typically seek that kind of, I guess, cover from church necessarily, but it is that same kind of thing that we have.
00:11:20.000 If you have that reputation for going around and mistreating women, probably not going to attract the best women into your life to find a good wife and a good mother.
00:11:28.000 It might be a little bit difficult, but on a much different scale, I think, with the church.
00:11:32.000 And when you look at the violation of virtues, this is the truth.
00:11:36.000 This is a descriptor of is, not what should be.
00:11:39.000 You're right that it should be the case that when it comes to promiscuity...
00:11:46.000 Yeah, that men should have the same outcomes as women, but the truth of the matter is that women judge promiscuity in men way differently than men judge promiscuity in women.
00:11:55.000 In fact, there's a lot of women, and this has blown my mind over the years learning this, that will judge a man as being a creep or a weirdo because they don't have sexual experience by the time they're in their 30s. 0.54
00:12:07.000 They think, well, wait a second, why won't women go near you? 1.00
00:12:11.000 What's wrong with you?
00:12:12.000 You know what I mean?
00:12:13.000 What's going on here?
00:12:14.000 Is it because I bring the chains and the whips out day one?
00:12:17.000 Yeah, so in some ways, on the promiscuity aspect of it, it's women who are setting the standard. 1.00
00:12:25.000 For, like, we don't care as much about male promiscuity, but with men, we definitely care a lot about promiscuity.
00:12:31.000 For a couple of reasons.
00:12:33.000 One's for status, right?
00:12:35.000 And, I mean, that's just the case.
00:12:38.000 It is a status thing.
00:12:40.000 The second is because of paternity.
00:12:41.000 This is how we were able to historically determine paternity is through how permissive, you know, if a woman was promiscuous, And so you wanted to have a chaste virgin on your wedding night. 0.99
00:12:54.000 It assured the paternity that that was your lineage.
00:12:57.000 You know what I mean?
00:12:58.000 The paternity testing has only become a thing recently.
00:13:00.000 It doesn't mean biologically we're just going to change our mindset on this.
00:13:04.000 Coincides with the Jerry Springer show, roughly.
00:13:05.000 Yeah, right.
00:13:07.000 And then the third reason for this is because when you look at status, a man who can achieve many, many, many women, More desirable.
00:13:19.000 It's more desirable for women. 1.00
00:13:21.000 Isn't that weird?
00:13:21.000 But it's true.
00:13:21.000 It's 100% true.
00:13:22.000 But a woman who can achieve whatever man she wants is just Norma. 1.00
00:13:25.000 It's not very impressive.
00:13:26.000 It's just Norma or Susan.
00:13:27.000 It's just a normal chick, right? 0.98
00:13:29.000 No, it is true.
00:13:31.000 Again, this is not advocating for that, but it is true that that is kind of societally how we see these things.
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00:14:11.000 But if you are not, you are going to be sent off and miss out on a very interesting conversation where apparently Andrew thinks that Martin Luther is a schizophrenic who banged a nun You
00:15:22.000 heard that right.
00:15:24.000 Schizophrenic and banged a nun. 0.96
00:15:25.000 Now listen, you did say, I understand why he split with the Catholic Church. 0.98
00:15:30.000 I understand why he did what he did. 0.98
00:15:32.000 But he was a schizophrenic who banged a nun. 0.84
00:15:34.000 Where is that from? 0.56
00:15:35.000 I haven't heard that yet.
00:15:36.000 Probably because I'm a Protestant and they won't put that in the brochure.