In this episode of the Friday Show, we discuss the growing trend of women in leadership roles in the Christian church, and why this is a problem. We also discuss the role of men in leadership in the church and why we need more men to be involved in church.
00:01:01.000Thank you very much for joining us today.
00:01:04.000Fridays sometimes are a bit of a grab bag.
00:01:05.000We have episodes where we talk about the current events that are going on.
00:01:10.000Sometimes there's so much in the news, either with India-Pakistan or Russia-Ukraine or something else where we're going to dive into that.
00:01:15.000Sometimes we do the behind the scenes, but other times we have special guests and we get to talk about some subjects that are near and dear to me and maybe things that you haven't.
00:01:26.000We get to talk a little bit about some trends within the church and some of the movement that we're seeing.
00:01:35.000Frankly, I'm glad that we're having this conversation because it's necessary and it's been long overdue.
00:01:42.000The church in America is definitely changing.
00:01:45.000A lot of times that change is for the positive and results in really, really good movements in the church.
00:01:52.000Sometimes that change actually Pushes things in a direction that we don't necessarily want them to go.
00:01:57.000And I'll be a little bit more clear once we jump into the subject here.
00:01:59.000But one of the trends that I have noticed is women.
00:02:09.000So in the Catholic Church, that's true.
00:02:10.000According to a recent Pew study, mostly dominated by women.
00:02:15.000Definitely in the Protestant Church, that's true.
00:02:17.000In the mainland Protestant Church, also in the black Protestant Church, it's very true.
00:02:22.000It makes up a very significant majority of the church.
00:02:25.000and there are a couple of exceptions to this rule.
00:02:28.000And one of the reasons that I want to talk about that is because...
00:02:35.000We need to make sure that we're not allowing churches to just not necessarily just be run by women, but we don't want women to have to take this role that God has given to men to kind of be the leaders in faith.
00:02:47.000And we need more men to be involved in church and to be going to church and to be leading in church.
00:02:54.000And that's a very, very important topic.
00:04:50.000Go over there and follow him on X at PaleoChristCon.
00:04:54.000I love following you on X. It's a bit of a treat because I think sometimes you just spend your days looking for your next victim.
00:05:01.000Not always in a mean-spirited sort of way.
00:05:04.000If you watched our Ash Wednesday episode, sometimes you have to put their face right back in the mirror to make sure that they understand what really is going on.
00:05:13.000Let's talk about that, because you and I were discussing this and looking for kind of a stat that we thought people would be interested in and find kind of interesting and compelling, and I think what we found was that Pew stat, that most of these other denominations, most of these other kind of branches of Christianity, not denominations, but branches, essentially are run and kind of populated mostly by women.
00:05:41.000So we started looking into this a couple years ago, because this actually blew my mind as well.
00:05:46.000NGOs, there's many NGOs, and private corporate donors, in fact, who allocate large portions of their budget towards the infiltration of various churches around the country.
00:05:56.000Especially, you've seen megachurches, right?
00:06:42.000Well, you can have local politics, but actually, surprisingly, on the local level, unless you're in big cities, your local politicians don't really have that much power, at least not influence-wise, over people.
00:07:49.000Well, what's really going on is they're trying to kind of jot
00:07:53.000their faith into buying a new reputation yeah and I see that I call these types of women sewing circle Christians and I believe that this is one of the biggest problems in Protestant churches that there is is that there's lots and lots of women who want to leverage their faith to buy a new reputation and what they're supposed to be doing is falling on their knees begging for forgiveness right and doing everything in their power to create a reconciliation between um the
00:08:21.000You know, between their past and their faith through humility.
00:08:31.000I think part of, obviously, you know, the process of forgiveness is realizing, or the process of, you know, coming to Christ and having a faith is realizing that you're a sinner in need of a Savior.
00:08:41.000And that's the whole process of taking responsibility for past actions, not necessarily letting the shame and guilt from those things keep you down.
00:08:59.000You can't just come in and say, now I'm a member of X church and that makes me somewhat holy.
00:09:04.000And it doesn't, My wife has, you know, she's been keeping a close eye on it.
00:09:15.000The people who are around the Whatever podcast who are recently Reformed Christians have been keeping a close eye on it, so I have as well.
00:09:22.000But what happens is a lot of these women will come in after having kind of done these horrible things in their life, right, been very promiscuous, this and that, and they say, well, why don't these Christian men want me?
00:09:35.000Well, they're not trying to take that away from you.
00:09:37.000And your sins are washed away through the blood of Christ.
00:09:40.000But that doesn't mean that your reputation goes with it.
00:09:43.000And you shouldn't have any expectation as a woman that you're going to get a virtuous, Chad Christian man when you have spent your life on your back, right?
00:09:56.000And this is kind of a false expectation, which happens.
00:10:05.000It's like, well, whether you are or you're not, that doesn't mean that Christian men are obligated to be with you or, you know, to do something like this, right?
00:10:15.000It takes away the consequence for your actions.
00:10:16.000It's clearly spelled out in the Bible.
00:10:18.000There may be earthly consequences to whatever sin you've committed.
00:10:21.000You can be forgiven and you can be saved, but...
00:10:26.000Or you might still have the reputation of a harlot.
00:10:30.000And the thing is, it doesn't mean we don't want you in the church.
00:10:34.000It doesn't mean we don't want you with Christ.
00:10:36.000It doesn't mean that over time you can't change your reputation anyway.
00:10:40.000What it does mean, though, is that men still are going to have preferences.
00:10:44.000And them being a Christian, maybe a lot of them can look past a lot of that type of behavior.
00:10:49.000But the ones who can't, they don't have any obligation to do so because you are also a Christian.
00:11:06.000Because if you don't, you may end up like this.
00:11:08.000If you can just kind of do whatever you want to do, and this goes for men too, sleeping around, if you can have that kind of reputation, men don't typically seek that kind of, I guess, cover from church necessarily, but it is that same kind of thing that we have.
00:11:20.000If you have that reputation for going around and mistreating women, probably not going to attract the best women into your life to find a good wife and a good mother.
00:11:28.000It might be a little bit difficult, but on a much different scale, I think, with the church.
00:11:32.000And when you look at the violation of virtues, this is the truth.
00:11:36.000This is a descriptor of is, not what should be.
00:11:39.000You're right that it should be the case that when it comes to promiscuity...
00:11:46.000Yeah, that men should have the same outcomes as women, but the truth of the matter is that women judge promiscuity in men way differently than men judge promiscuity in women.
00:11:55.000In fact, there's a lot of women, and this has blown my mind over the years learning this, that will judge a man as being a creep or a weirdo because they don't have sexual experience by the time they're in their 30s.
00:12:07.000They think, well, wait a second, why won't women go near you?
00:12:41.000This is how we were able to historically determine paternity is through how permissive, you know, if a woman was promiscuous, And so you wanted to have a chaste virgin on your wedding night.
00:12:54.000It assured the paternity that that was your lineage.
00:14:04.000You get the hand-etched mug, the co-promoted mug.
00:14:07.000Thank you very much for your patience.
00:14:11.000But if you are not, you are going to be sent off and miss out on a very interesting conversation where apparently Andrew thinks that Martin Luther is a schizophrenic who banged a nun You