On this episode of Whatever Happened Wednesday, we have Andrew Wilson on the show to talk about feminism, the Red Pill, the manosphere, and much more. Andrew is a podcaster, comedian, writer, and host of the Whatever Podcast. He's also the co-host of The Crucible, and hosts a show in Cleveland.
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00:04:21.000I want you to, for people who are new to you, and I think a lot of people have seen your arguments, I guess I should say, or debates, particularly on Pierce Morgan, Tommy Lahren.
00:04:35.000Because now things are, you know, there's the red pill movement and people think of that, you know, some people conflate whatever podcasts, the Fit and Fresh, and your Yeah, well, I can untangle a bunch of that.
00:04:48.000So, my view, I'm a Christian ethicist, and I focused on politics, and specifically politics.
00:04:58.000I do get in the realm of apologetics occasionally, but you could say that I'm far right, moderately dissident right, something in there.
00:05:06.000I don't associate myself as being red pill or even part of the Manosphere, though I do do a lot of debates inside of the Manosphere and get along really well with those guys because I've tried to understand their positions and they have some really good ones.
00:05:33.000As Rolo Tomasi calls it, a praxeology.
00:05:36.000I wouldn't call it a praxeology, but what I would say is it's a data packet.
00:05:41.000So think of everything that is red pill related just being in a file and handed to somebody.
00:05:47.000It's a series of descriptors, not prescriptors, right?
00:05:50.000There's no prescriptions, just describing reality.
00:05:53.000What you do with it from there is up to you.
00:05:55.000And so what's happened is, pickup artists have picked up this file, and now it's going to help them teach men how to get pussy.
00:06:02.000Or, another guy picks up this file, and he says, oh, well this can help men with their dating.
00:06:10.000Other guys pick up this file, and they're like, wait, there's some human dynamics here which we're really missing out on that could really be helpful for men's rights, and to advocate for men's rights.
00:06:20.000A lot of people don't really know about.
00:06:50.000What you're saying in kind of a different way that I describe it is you look at some of these movements where they do have prescriptions, they're right in diagnosing the problem and sometimes incorrect with the answer.
00:07:00.000For example, some people, their prescriptions sleep with as many bitches as possible so you know which one are hoes.
00:07:05.000And I would think that as Christians, believing Christians, we're like, ah, that's probably not good because it's destructive to your soul.
00:07:10.000But they're recognizing the problem of promiscuity and the breakdown of gender norms.
00:07:14.000And I think that's a good way to put it.
00:07:16.000Description or descriptors versus prescriptors.
00:07:18.000I will say one thing you do better than anyone.
00:07:20.000Anyone out there and has caught my attention is lasering in on questions where it comes down to this.
00:07:27.000We know what the fundamental duties are of men.
00:07:45.000So do we want to deal with the offense that is the reason for men checking out?
00:07:50.000Or do we want to simply leave it at, well, that's offensive.
00:07:52.000We don't want to ever place duties on women.
00:07:55.000Yeah, so, I mean, this is the fundamental question.
00:07:58.000So let's take everything, every type of political ideology you can think of, every type of ideology you can think of, and just put them in a series of propositions, logical propositions.
00:08:09.000If we take a bird's eye view of all of the world, here's what the world really is.
00:08:14.000It's a series and sequence of men who are killing each other over resources and land.
00:09:39.000I think you did a really good job of, and this is something that you also address, overt feminism versus covert feminism.
00:09:46.000You were on Pierce Morgan with Tommy Laird.
00:09:47.000A lot of people ran the clip where there was some back and forth kind of dunking snippy, but a lot of people missed this macro point that you made, which I think is the crux of it.
00:11:14.000Real men are protectors and providers, and they marry women who hopefully have some virtue, but also bring a lot to the table as well, that are great mothers, great wives, caretakers of the home.
00:11:25.000There's nothing wrong with being a traditional wife and mother.
00:11:27.000You're misunderstanding me if you think that I think that women should just be out doing whatever they are.
00:11:32.000I love getting lectured by women on what real men are.
00:11:35.000But I don't think a man needs to get something out of it to be a manly man, a protector and a provider.
00:11:41.000If you think you need to get something out of it, I quite frankly don't consider you a real man.
00:12:33.000Obviously controversial and stun-locking for people is because they expect Christians to act in a very effeminate way because the masculinity of Christianity, especially in the Protestant side, has been completely sucked out by these blood-circling, viperous, sewing-circle Christians, is what I call them, and they're covert feminists.
00:13:30.000Having children and raising children, but there's other stuff, too.
00:13:33.000Like, when you read Proverbs 31, it doesn't mean that the wife is just sitting at home barefoot, pregnant, and waiting for the husband to come home and beat her up.
00:13:39.000She does a lot of stuff in that, you know, and does things for the family.
00:13:43.000You know, so I would say my answer to that, and what Tommy probably should have said, okay, what you get out of it is children, right?
00:13:49.000I have the children, and I will be a mom to those children.
00:13:51.000I'll be faithful, I'll take care of the home, and I will be a good wife to you as well as a good mother.
00:13:57.000Well, the birth rate would suggest otherwise.
00:13:59.000So then it appears like perhaps they're failing at the duty, right?
00:14:03.000So if a woman brings this up as a duty, right, and knows that you can counter by saying, like in Tommy Lauren's particular case, does she have children?
00:14:14.000And so the thing is, it's like, you know, a lot of these women, the reason they can't utilize this as an answer is because they don't live up to the very duty, duty to expectation that they themselves would permeate to other people.
00:14:41.000We're supposed to be getting the children and we're supposed to be getting the mom for the children and the dutiful wife and the women of great virtues, as I brought up.
00:16:29.000But they also should not be trying to provide an environment where other women are not.
00:16:34.000They should not be moving in society towards a lack of childbirth, but facilitating other women having children and families, even if they themselves can't.
00:16:51.000But what we would say is, if you've had the hysterectomy, right, and you can't have children, you know, that sucks.
00:16:58.000But you should still be, in society, trying to create the conditionals so that other women can.
00:17:03.000Instead of trying to agitate against it or promote against it, you should be trying to at least lay the groundwork down so that other women can fulfill their duties.
00:17:58.000Because it really is the only logical answer that you can have.
00:18:01.000Well, first of all, people don't think.
00:18:03.000And secondly, there was a feminist on this, on another Pierce Morgan feminist panel I did, the Dunkin' Donuts panel, where the feminist did say, Not sponsored by them.
00:18:13.000I do think women have an obligation to have children.
00:18:49.000So if men are in charge of systems, that's what patriarchy is.
00:18:52.000So women, when you're talking about feminism and covert feminism, do you see right-wing women do this all the time, where they try to get an egalitarian caste, right?
00:19:02.000We want egalitarianism with men at the highest echelon's highest levels.
00:19:06.000Well, that necessarily displaces male power, therefore displacing patriarchy.
00:19:11.000And you, as a conservative woman, are supposed to be for patriarchy.
00:19:15.000You're supposed to want there to be patriarchy inside the household.
00:19:18.000That's what you advocate for, but not in government.
00:19:20.000Somehow men are okay to rule their household, but the second they're in charge of the planet, then it's a problem.
00:19:25.000It's like, what are you talking about?
00:20:06.000But the entire governing body is not women.
00:20:08.000The entirety of the governing body is always men everywhere all the time.
00:20:13.000And essentially, it always has to be that way because we have the monopoly on force.
00:20:17.000So if you look back through history, you'll see the dumb liberals will say things like, well, in the Arapaho tribe of the Navajos and the, you know, blah, blah.
00:20:27.000It was a pure matriarchy where women were in charge, and then you look into it.
00:20:33.000And you find out this is based on progressive nonsense, verbal history, right?
00:21:28.000Well, and speaking of the other thing you just said, and this is interesting, when you're talking about the idea of women's happiness, there's been two comprehensive meta-analysis studies which have been done, piggybacking off each other, which study women all over the world.
00:21:47.000And regardless of the conditions they're in, Doesn't matter what.
00:21:51.000Regardless of the conditions, no matter how egalitarian, no matter how not egalitarian, no matter if they're in all the positions of power or not, in a comparative analysis, they're always less happy than men.
00:22:09.000Well, that would also go to the psychological profiles, right?
00:22:11.000Like, Jordan Peterson talks about this.
00:22:13.000You have your differences, but increase, you know, higher level of neuroses.
00:22:15.000You know, the idea of a mom being a worrier.
00:22:18.000And some could say that's a biological sort of evolutionary mechanism, right, to be worrying, to be on alert, because a part of your job in a tribe, for example, would be to alert those who could thwart the threat where you can't deal it.
00:22:29.000Well, I mean, none of this should be offensive to anybody, right?
00:22:37.000In fact, I say that most of this is blatantly obvious to the observer.
00:22:43.000It's like if you ask a person, who's stronger, men or women?
00:23:31.000Let me ask you this, because you talk about this, and I think people right now are probably going to go along and say, okay, logically that makes sense, the idea of the duty we've absolved societally.
00:23:39.000Especially with the rise, the ascent of feminism of duties.
00:24:07.000So on an individual basis, what would you identify as the primary problem or what creates the hesitancy, the sort of reticent nature from men to get into that dating sphere?
00:24:20.000Because a lot of men are checking out.
00:24:22.000What needs to be resolved there for men to say, okay, let me give this another go?
00:24:28.000And anybody can look this up with a cursory Google search, not even hard information to find.
00:24:33.000The first is in all Western nations, the second you hit industrialization, And you start promoting that women go to college and defer their childbearing years for college years, right?
00:24:45.000You end up with an aging populace for women.
00:26:48.000But if we go to solution there, is that as a society, we need to stop placing importance on college degrees for women and start placing importance on exemplary women and what kind of...
00:27:45.000If you're a woman and you have a superpower, right, which they do, at about the ages of 17, roughly, through 26, 27, Where men will literally, you know, castrate themselves to have sex with them, right?
00:27:57.000They will do insane things in order to get in these women's pants because of this overarching kind of biological need to sleep with beautiful women, right?
00:28:08.000Well, women within that age range, they're very marketable that way, right?
00:28:12.000So when they go and they're like, they get slipping the DMs of a very famous man, for instance, and he's like, hey, I'll fly you out.
00:28:32.000And so now they have trouble making sex selection or making correct sexual selections for themselves because they feel like they're in a league they're not actually in.
00:28:43.000Because men will sleep with you when you have that superpower.
00:28:46.000It doesn't mean that they'll marry you.
00:29:36.000I'm not talking crap on LeBron They sort of overlook some other facets that hey he may not actually bring the qualities to the table that you want in a husband This may just be a guy who's super famous super rich high status But you take that good and you go.
00:29:48.000Oh, yeah, but by the way He's never gotten married and by the way, maybe he has never actually been someone who's valued fidelity Then you have a guy who does but isn't LeBron Well, let me, to give you a little pushback here, let's evaluate it from a different angle.
00:30:07.000You at least need to be attracted to the person that you're gonna end up with, right?
00:30:12.000If that's the case, that you need to have attraction, well, I mean, like, what other things are you willing to look over so that you can have the thing that, for men especially, visual, right?
00:31:39.000But they would get into arguments and she would say like, well, you know what?
00:31:41.000You don't do an X, Y, Z. And it's like, yeah, but that guy was doing it because you were his side piece and he didn't want his wife to know.
00:31:47.000But she was bringing it where this guy was basically fighting a phantom.
00:31:50.000Like, yeah, yeah, but this is actually, this is not that.
00:32:18.000Look at it like an X-Men superpower that almost virtually all women have.
00:32:24.000When they're between, like I said, the ages of like 17 through, you know, 26, 27. And then it kind of just goes away once they meet the wall, right?
00:33:56.000Are the solutions, okay, as a society, we need to determine what is exemplary, and that is not, right now, the course is go to college, be independent from a man, because you don't want to be trapped, become a working professional.
00:34:23.000You need top-down propaganda like you had in World War II.
00:34:27.000The same way you got women in the factories with Rosie the Riveter is the same way you get them in the household with Susan the housewife, right?
00:34:35.000And that's the propaganda that's everywhere.
00:34:40.000Is of Susan the housewife, you know what I mean?
00:34:42.000Who has the little thing of cookies, and she's always smiling, and she's always super happy, and her husband's always smiling, you know what I mean?
00:34:49.000And you make that the trend everywhere, and you force it down everybody's throat all day long, every day, where it becomes practically ingratiated in them.
00:35:41.000the second issue of women who you know find themselves in a position where okay I've slept with this very attractive very wealthy guy and so they're How do you solve that issue?
00:35:55.000Do we kill all the rich, attractive men?
00:36:00.000The first one's much more easy to demonstrate and prove because we have 200 years of propaganda from the top down, which shows Philip Morris can definitely get the country to smoke, okay?
00:36:12.000We can definitely prove that propaganda works.
00:38:54.000It creates significantly higher problems than if men aren't chaste.
00:38:58.000Well, there's not the problem of paternity.
00:39:00.000Yeah, or reproduction, or the problem of the revolting factor.
00:39:04.000So the reason men have such a revolting factor when it comes to high body count, very promiscuous women, is because that's how we assured paternity, through chastity.
00:39:13.000So paternity tests are a modern invention.
00:39:15.000I don't know if people remember this or not.
00:39:17.000So how did you know if the kid that the woman was having was yours?
00:39:21.000Well, because she was only f***ing you, right?
00:40:41.000So ultimately, most men can't do that.
00:40:43.000So if you think that most men wouldn't prefer to settle down with a woman and have kids, they would, because most of them are simply not capable of bagging tons of chicks.
00:41:09.000Also, here's why it's not good long-term.
00:41:11.000It disabuse women of the notion, hey, this idea that you're going to get white knight, prince charming, multi-millionaire, six-foot-three, six-pack is also not realistic.
00:41:56.000The idea for the propaganda, though, that worked was that, you know, a lot of people were like, they had an aversion, not an aversion to drug use.
00:42:03.000But what it did was it created a culture where people who did it were considered nefarious.
00:43:07.000So if we're going to have propaganda, and you will, no matter what, I could also just sort of describe it as having an example, having an ideal, then what's best for society?
00:43:17.000Well, I was going to say, this goes back to kind of the Christianity.
00:43:19.000We flipped these things, and I think they realize that they have to go after that duty that we identified, like having children.
00:43:26.000And the Barbie movie, the very beginning of it was them smashing their baby dolls and going into the workforce essentially and saying, I'm going to run away from that.
00:43:32.000So it's that underpinning where it's like, you don't value that anymore.
00:44:07.000Like, pop culture may take a while to catch up, essentially, to what we're seeing in culture, but we've got to make some big structural changes.
00:44:14.000To convince women, women are the most easily indoctrinated, most easily propagandized out of the sexes.
00:44:22.000Every single study you look at will tell you this.
00:45:43.000You think a Coomer gremlin like Destiny would ever in a million years if he didn't have, you know, two million dollars in the bank and a bunch of YouTube fame?
00:46:54.000So he has the glasses, he puts them on, and the billboard said something like, you know, Snapple, and he puts the glasses on, and it says, like, obey, right?
00:47:02.000And then, you know, he puts the glasses on, and he looks over here, and it's like, do what we tell you, you know what I mean, this type of thing.
00:47:08.000It's like, unironically, I want that society, right?
00:47:11.000But the reason I do is because I think liberation has enslaved women.
00:47:16.000That sexual liberation has enslaved women and it's enslaved men.
00:47:20.000I want to break men out of the chains more than anything.
00:47:37.000As a general rule, get rid of the alcoholic father, you know, who comes home and he's mad that you burnt the casserole, you know, and so he locks you, chains you to a loom or something to make you knit him a sweater without a piss break.
00:48:30.000Yeah, like I said, convincing women, the reason it hasn't traditionally worked is because when I think of convincing, I think of logic and reason.
00:48:40.000If I'm going to convince you, I'm going to use logical arguments, and then I'm going to hope that your reason, right, that you use inductive reasoning to look at the logical argument and you backtrack it, right?
00:48:52.000You take it back to its original, wherever its core was, and then you move it forward and go, does that make sense or not?
00:48:59.000And they'll even agree with you and then dismiss it.
00:49:02.000Because you have to think of it from the purview of their sex.
00:49:07.000They have raging hormones going on all the time, which makes their brains actually erratic, right?
00:49:14.000They often will do things, by their own admission, that don't make any fucking sense because they have these raging hormones going on in their body.
00:49:22.000Now, every man right now who's going, well, I'm not sure about this.
00:49:27.000Get back to me after your wife's had a period.
00:50:26.000You know, that's how good the slave...
00:50:28.000Like if you slept with a guy, you know, as a girl, like if somebody said that about you, that would ruin your reputation, essentially.
00:50:33.000Or Gerald would follow you around in a Cutlass.
00:50:35.000I'd be like, so I hear you like to go on dates.
00:50:40.000I think that makes some sense because I think ultimately what we're trying to do is fix the problem that we see that is very obvious, that is very corrosive, that can destroy civilizations.
00:50:49.000You talked about South Korea having an extinction-level birth rate.
00:52:03.000Wouldn't you be like, if you really like me, but make me wait, but you didn't really like them and had sex with them right away, then wouldn't my chances of having sex with you actually go up if you didn't like me?
00:52:17.000Well, can I ask you the reason for the hypothetical?
00:52:18.000Is it because a lot of women who then they reach that point of settling down, it's like they want to start now doing it that right way?
00:52:25.000And the kinds of guys who would actually appreciate the genuine virtue know it's a facade.
00:54:43.000Or was it something you had to sort of train yourself up?
00:54:45.000Yeah, my dad was really big on talking politics around the dinner table, even when I was a kid.
00:54:51.000So I'll give you my impression of my dad.
00:54:54.000This is him when I was eight years old.
00:54:56.000He would be in his tighty-whities, and he would be in a chair like this, and he would be in front of the television when Clinton would be on, and it would go like this.
00:55:03.000You know, the problem, son, is these fucking Democrats are fucking strong, and that fucking bitch needs to be hung for fucking treason, and they're all communists, and they need to fucking die.
00:56:23.000My dad, I've given this answer many times, and I'm very grateful to my father for it, and I think we need more dads like him, as imperfect as he may be.
00:56:33.000And he explained to me what taxes were.
00:56:36.000And asked me what I thought about the healthcare system.
00:56:38.000And asked me if I thought that it was worth X dollars.
00:56:40.000And if I answered no, I said, well, why not?
00:56:42.000He said, okay, well, what choice do you have?
00:56:44.000And just walked me through, these are how taxes work.
00:56:46.000And I came home one day because I had a drama teacher who said we should give all of our land back to the Native Americans, the indigenous, as I said, in Montreal.
00:56:52.000I said, well, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life.
00:56:55.000I asked her if she had heard of scalping.
00:57:28.000As seen by this clip with this very unfortunate-looking lady previously worked as the Junk Muppet from Labyrinth in the infamous Dunkin' Donuts clip.
00:57:45.000Well, this is going to go viral and a lot of people are going to take me seriously and all they're going to remember is that I told you that you couldn't put down the Dunkin' Donuts long enough to make an argument.
01:00:20.000For people who don't know, she in that clip, because we didn't show the whole thing where she was like, it must be terrible to be your wife.
01:00:37.000Obviously, there's something I can take immediately that is very apparent to everybody, and it's going to hurt you real bad, and it's not going to do anything to me.
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01:01:22.000And by the way, I was just paraphrasing that lady.