In this episode of The Ringer, host John Rocha is joined by Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens to discuss the ongoing fight for the soul of the country between the right and the left.
00:04:33.000And so whatever moves forward as the right wing, the conservative, the populist, the MAGA movement is going to determine the soul of this country.
00:04:43.000And I've been around here, certainly doing this kind of a show the longest, been on YouTube since 2009.
00:04:51.000I've had Ben Shapiro on this show many times.
00:04:54.000I've been on Tucker Carlson's show back.
00:04:55.000He was a host in Fox and Friends Weekends many times.
00:05:00.000We've crossed streams with Candace Owens.
00:05:04.000I'd like to invite every single one of them, Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, on the show for a conversation, for a debate, however you guys want to do it.
00:05:17.000Because I think there does need to be some neutral territory here.
00:05:20.000And I think that this idea of each side on the right not wanting to platform the other side, that's not a thing anymore.
00:05:31.000Everyone has a platform in this argument, in this fight.
00:05:35.000Everyone has a platform, and we should be the wing of ideas, of discussion.
00:05:42.000I think that some tactics lately have been underhanded.
00:05:46.000I think some people have been less than straightforward.
00:05:47.000I think there may be some bad actors, not necessarily of those in positions of authority who I've mentioned, but those who are following them.
00:05:54.000I'll tell you this, Ben Shapiro is wrong about a lot.
00:06:04.000I think his approach right now is really wrong and the way he's dealing with it.
00:06:07.000Tucker Carlson has some pretty strong ideas.
00:06:10.000He's also wrong about a lot, in my opinion.
00:06:13.000Candace Owens, you know that we disagree more than we agree on approach and on the decision to almost exclusively attack those on the right.
00:06:24.000For example, I think that Schumer, I think that Brian Stelter is far more harmful to America.
00:06:32.000I think that legacy media is far more harmful to America than Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson.
00:06:37.000I could say the same for Mark Levin and Candace Owens.
00:06:42.000So I don't know why all of these attacks are just going to each other.
00:07:49.000And if it's a conversation about ideas, if there are problems that need to be fixed, that need to be pruned in this movement, well, let's fix them.
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00:14:44.000And then Friday, November 14th at Chalet Theater in Enumclaw, Washington, not underscore Feierstein on X because he is not on X. Josh Feierstein, how are you?
00:15:20.000Hey, before I ask, because Hassan Piker writes a self-described socialist, and I've become more familiar with him now as he's called for the deaths of conservatives.
00:15:28.000He talks about wearing swag in this clip.
00:15:31.000Isn't schwag antithetical to socialism?
00:15:48.000And then it would be very socialist communist.
00:15:51.000Well, I don't think that he is because he's dressed like a kung fu master who's trying to scam an insurance company with a fake neck brace.
00:19:33.000That's what these people hate their government so much that they're literally willing to light themselves on fire basically to honor other people who also hated the government.
00:20:52.000If you call for the death of people like me and my friends and say there should be more violence, then no, that's it's not about platforming.
00:20:59.000It's that there's no way to do it safely.
00:22:46.000And then he disappeared right before everyone started hearing about that weird witch, that Brazilian witch that was keeping him, holding him hostage.
00:22:51.000He was sending me, he's like, oh, yeah, okay, if it's long as it's not going to be political.
00:22:54.000I was like, no, no, you're an American icon.
00:24:35.000And I remember Stephanie Miller because she, I believe, was on Air America, the failed liberal version when they were trying to compete with Rush Limbaugh.
00:30:14.000Look, I don't want the guy impeached nor executed, as I made very, very clear with Dave Smith and the people who were calling for his impeachment and execution.
00:31:06.000The first one I kind of get because you'll still have some people who've come over from the Bernie Bro coalition and they vote exclusively in their own selfish interest, but I would say that this is a mistake.
00:31:15.000So proposed policy from President Trump, a $2,000 payment to lower middle-income Americans generated from tariff revenue.
00:31:23.000Over the weekend, President Trump posted a proposal on Truth Social suggesting Americans could receive payments of up to $2,000 from the administration's tariffs.
00:31:33.000He addressed this earlier today from the Oval Office.
00:31:36.000One of the things we're going to do, we're going to issue a dividend to our middle-income people and lower income people of about $2,000.
00:31:44.000And we're going to use the remaining tariffs to lower our debt.
00:31:47.000We're going to be lowering our debt, which is a national security thing.
00:32:00.000And of course, during this sort of standoff with the shutdown, it's saying, hey, I'm looking out for working class Americans.
00:32:05.000And by the way, we're able to do this because the tariffs that these elitists opposed and said would obviously irreparably damage the country.
00:32:26.000Yeah, I'm also not sure if it's enough money to do that and to pay down some of the deficit or at least a significant portion of the deficit.
00:33:21.000And I had people sit down, and this goes back to inviting Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens on, where people go, well, you know, if we didn't give so much money to Israel, then we could afford it.
00:33:29.000I go, well, first off, that's incorrect.
00:34:10.000Let's deal with the real problem, though, as far as our spending.
00:34:12.000Let's deal with the real problem as far as the entitlements in this country.
00:34:15.000And I think a lot of this has been a distraction.
00:34:18.000Next, next policy, because there's not a whole lot more to say about that, you either support giving away people's money to someone else or you don't.
00:34:48.000So it's significant MAGA backlash, calling it a giveaway to the banks and simply prolonging the time it would take for Americans to own a home outright.
00:35:45.000This is the problem with populism if it's not tied to some kind of deeply rooted principle.
00:35:53.000Now, it doesn't mean that you just cling to your principles and say, hey, like libertarians, let's legalize all drugs and have open borders and war shouldn't exist.
00:36:01.000We also have to have a system of government and we have to have a form of governance that is appropriate, that's in line with the Constitution, also serves the interests of the American people above all else, above any other people, to be clear.
00:36:14.000But this kind of ties into a $2,000 check, just pandering for votes.
00:38:14.000That would free up a lot of homes right now.
00:38:17.000So right now, what you're talking about doing is we have a housing crisis.
00:38:20.000Let's just artificially, effectively, increase demand.
00:38:24.000Well, no, no, we either need to increase supply, either we need to build more homes or we need more homes to be available.
00:38:32.000Well, you could free up a lot of homes if you no longer have people who are competing, illegal aliens, by the way, who often work off the books and have more disposable income because they don't have to pay taxes.
00:38:44.000That would give a lot of Americans more access to these homes.
00:39:59.000I say you should leave New York because it's a communist hellhole.
00:40:02.000Okay, and I think that the people have voted for that.
00:40:04.000Enough people have voted for it where it's beyond repair.
00:40:06.000But this idea that it's incumbent upon you to simply move to a new municipality when it's you're facing the result of policy that has led to the cost of living problems.
00:40:20.000No, it is incumbent upon the people who represent the American people to be more responsible with policy.
00:40:26.000And whether you're looking at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, awful.
00:40:28.000Whether you're looking at Obamacare, which we'll get to, awful.
00:40:31.000Or a 50-year mortgage, it is a bad policy.
00:40:37.000And the people who would be most happy about this would be big banks and the too big to fail firms, the BlackRocks, the State Streets, the Vanguards, who want to purchase up homes so that they can sell them to you or rent them to you.
00:40:48.000These people are the ones who are holding all the leverage.
00:40:51.000This is a terrible idea, in my opinion.
00:44:07.000Can anyone tell me how that is good for America?
00:44:09.000Because if we're talking about work visas, I do understand there's a scenario where it's appropriate.
00:44:14.000For example, someone like an Elon Musk, if there's someone who is hyperly skilled who is going to be a player on the world stage, well, you want them playing for Team United States.
00:44:24.000Or certainly in film, this happens a lot.
00:44:26.000If you need Tom Hardy, you need Pierce Brothers, you need to bring him in, especially if there's a series here.
00:44:31.000But students, you are now training up the generation, the younger generation of a foreign adversary so that they will be competitive with you in the workplace.
00:44:44.000It just, it doesn't make sense at this stage in the development of a human being.
00:44:49.000We shouldn't be training and making our enemies stronger than they would be without this policy.
00:44:55.000And here is President Trump giving this interview with Laura Ingram.
00:44:58.000And everything he says, I just don't think he's aware that he's communicating it in the opposite way that people are hearing it.
00:45:07.000You've said as many as 600,000 Chinese students could come to the United States.
00:45:11.000Why, sir, is that a pro-MAGA position when so many American kids want to go to school and there are places not for them and these universities are getting rich off Chinese money?
00:45:22.000Never said about China, but we do have a lot of people coming in from China.
00:45:26.000We always have China and other countries.
00:45:29.000We also have a massive system of colleges and universities.
00:45:34.000And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business.
00:46:15.000We've had a lot of problems with the French where we get taxed very unfairly on our technology, where they put 25% taxes on American products.
00:46:24.000Half of the students from all over the world that are coming into our country destroy our entire university and college system.
00:46:44.000We want to see our country thrive, but you still have failed to make the case as to why we would thrive, why we would be better off with more communist students coming over here.
00:46:55.000Well, because the historically black colleges and universities would fail if they didn't have Chinese students.
00:48:42.000Chicago, Chinese electrical engineering student there was convicted for spying for the CCP at UCLA.
00:48:48.000There was a math student who transferred sensitive tech to the PLA.
00:48:52.000And then, of course, you have Swalwell's favorite Fang Feng, the one he was not banging, just to be clear, not having sex with a Chinese spies, Eric Swalwell.
00:49:26.000Do you think that having more Chinese students coming here, do you think that that lowers tuition costs?
00:49:32.000Or do you think it inflates tuition costs?
00:49:35.000Do you think that it provides more opportunities for American students to study?
00:49:40.000Or do you think they take those spots?
00:49:43.000This policy is basically, hey, we're going to be educating our primary geopolitical rival, basically people from a communist nation so that we'll have to compete with them in the tech and workspace later on.
00:50:12.000Matt, that's why you saw Sam Altman, Elon Musk, all these guys, Jeff Bezos, going and talking and saying, hey, the government has to do something.
00:50:18.000Why would we take the one country that can beat us in this race and educate their kids so that they have a better chance?
00:50:53.000And I don't think that the premise that half of America's colleges and universities would go out of business when they're spending tons of money on rejection letters every year.
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00:54:30.000I mean, you know, some people, that's like, you know, my grandparents are like, ah, Amazon, that bookstore?
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00:55:12.000And in the wake of this news, YouTube is actually, of course, doubling down on their censorship policies.
00:55:37.000These videos will not be allowed to stand.
00:57:36.000We just sort of include him to cleanse the palate as it comes to film reviews because everyone knows that whatever he says, they do the opposite.
00:57:41.000Sort of like the rotten tomato critic meter, where it's like if it has a high credit review and a low audience score, Gerald is that human version.
00:57:51.000I'm like the Jim Bramer of movie reviews.
00:57:53.000You just do exactly the opposite of what I tell you.
00:58:16.000This was largely about health care benefits subsidies also extending to illegal aliens.
00:58:22.000But Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, let me know, comment if you guys were.
00:58:26.000I know many of you were too young to be around for that.
00:58:28.000That was a big, big, it was a central fight.
00:58:32.000And the results are in, and they're bad.
00:58:34.000And people were telling you back then that it would be bad.
00:58:37.000And I don't know if you remember this, but people back then saying this is going to be a disaster for the United States, they were silenced with, you're racist.
00:59:12.000The Senate passing a bipartisan bill tonight to reopen the government after eight senators who caucused with Democrats broke with their party Sunday night to support a short-term funding bill that would reopen the government through January 30th.
00:59:25.000And for those of you wondering, yes, the anchor at the beginning of that clip, it is the guy from this.
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01:02:18.000This is a great, this is a post on X because the left, just like, this is why I told you back to it, was you're racist if you don't support Obamacare.
01:02:26.000This is Don Winslow blaming the defecting Democrats, not just for caving, but for being specifically white.
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01:04:46.000Then, Democrats promised you a lot with Obamacare.
01:04:50.000But first off, because Americans were concerned, because we had medical freedom in this country, they say, hey, if you just don't believe the racist fear-mongering, if you like your doctor, if you like your plan, nothing's going to change.