Louder with Crowder - Become a Warrior | Ash Wednesday with John Lovell | Louder with Crowder

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00:00:34.000 Welcome to the latest installment of Ash Wednesday.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, Kuza, we have the cigar fan on, right?

00:00:46.000 Okay, otherwise we're all going to die.

00:00:48.000 But you know what?

00:00:49.000 We will be prepared for death, because our guest here today, his new book, if you see it right there, I think it just released yesterday, The Warrior Poet Way.

00:00:59.000 You probably just know him as The Warrior Poet.

00:01:01.000 Yes.

00:01:01.000 Which is two, two, I mean it's two names, but really, I guess we could just call him the warrior.

00:01:05.000 I guess that's taken by the ultimate warrior.

00:01:07.000 Mr. Poet.

00:01:08.000 But, uh, he has the website, um, warriorpoetsupplyco.com, you know, we'll put all the links there, but I just wanted to talk with him.

00:01:15.000 Mr., uh, Mr. Poet, but I'll just go with Mr. Do you prefer John Lovell, John Warrior, John Poet?

00:01:21.000 Normally I go by John, but you said THE Warrior Poet with just such emphasis.

00:01:26.000 I really like that.

00:01:27.000 I'd like a harder THE and maybe a pause.

00:01:30.000 Like the ultimate warrior poet.

00:01:32.000 Where nightmares are the best part of my day!

00:01:35.000 John's good, man.

00:01:38.000 John, thanks for being here, brother.

00:01:39.000 Thanks for having me, man.

00:01:40.000 And hopefully you like that cigar.

00:01:42.000 I'm not a sponsor, but you can go grab these at Cigars Daily.

00:01:44.000 That's the Bellas Artes.

00:01:47.000 And we were just talking about this.

00:01:48.000 So look, for people who don't know, tell folks, what is a warrior poet?

00:01:52.000 Tell them what you're about.

00:01:54.000 I ran into you.

00:01:54.000 I saw some of your videos a long time ago with my friend Mark Ripoteau.

00:01:58.000 Or, of course, he was making fun of you, as he does with everyone, giving you a tough time, and he's done so with me.

00:02:03.000 And then saw some of your videos discussing guns and then podcasts regarding faith, and it kind of all came together.

00:02:09.000 But explain for people who may not know.

00:02:10.000 Sure, pretty simple.

00:02:12.000 It's somebody who lives for higher purpose, and they're ready to sacrifice in the defense of others.

00:02:17.000 So that's the big kind of banner.

00:02:19.000 They're lovers and defenders of truth.

00:02:22.000 And you can take the warrior part a little bit metaphorically if you wanted to, but I do think there should be some physical element as well of, you know, we're protectors of people.

00:02:34.000 So that's kind of the banner, and all kinds of creeds can crush in under that. 0.96

00:02:39.000 And you focus a lot on sort of masculinity, and we'll get to that.

00:02:42.000 Can a woman be a warrior poet? 1.00

00:02:44.000 Yes.

00:02:45.000 You just can't be a man.

00:02:47.000 Okay.

00:02:48.000 Well, that's gonna rub some people the wrong way.

00:02:49.000 Yes, I know.

00:02:51.000 They need to be rubbed that way.

00:02:52.000 Yes, exactly.

00:02:54.000 Just getting mad all the time by all the things you can't say.

00:02:57.000 I'm like, I'm going to say whatever I want, though.

00:03:00.000 So I don't think I'm mischaracterizing you.

00:03:02.000 Obviously a Christian.

00:03:03.000 I mean, you've been a missionary.

00:03:04.000 Right.

00:03:05.000 And I don't think I'm mischaracterizing you in saying conservative, more right-leaning.

00:03:10.000 Is that okay?

00:03:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:11.000 Okay, I don't know, because sometimes people are like, well, I don't want labels and firearms, all this.

00:03:15.000 You know, you've talked about sort of being, I don't want to say combat-ready, conflict-ready.

00:03:20.000 Right.

00:03:20.000 And I'm sure right away, sort of dealing with this, cutting it off at the pass, you'll have some people say, well, how can he be a Christian and leading young men as young Christians?

00:03:27.000 And be all pro-gun and the tattoos that you got.

00:03:30.000 Right, and so I think it's just... They say it that way.

00:03:32.000 I think what they have built in their head is a caricature of Christianity, but not the real piece.

00:03:40.000 If you lean into the Bible, you realize, man, the heart of God is one of a warrior.

00:03:44.000 He's a protector of the innocent.

00:03:47.000 And real love protects.

00:03:49.000 Right.

00:03:49.000 Now sometimes you're to turn the other cheek, like somebody says, like, I don't like your face, you know, and there's one of those interchanges.

00:03:55.000 Not somebody, most buddy with me.

00:03:57.000 Half of the internet really hates your face, Stephen.

00:04:00.000 The other half... That's fair.

00:04:01.000 I don't even look in the mirror, I just, I hate half my face.

00:04:04.000 When I look in the mirror it's like the face-off cover.

00:04:06.000 I just do the one side.

00:04:07.000 Right.

00:04:07.000 Yeah.

00:04:08.000 So, real love protects.

00:04:10.000 It'd be an evil, terrible thing.

00:04:12.000 Somebody breaks in your house, and they want to hurt your loved ones, and you could do something about it, but you're like, no! 0.98

00:04:19.000 Go nuts! 0.95

00:04:20.000 Jesus is okay with this! 0.99

00:04:21.000 I'm like, no!

00:04:22.000 There's a time to heal and a time to kill, you know?

00:04:26.000 And so there is a time for both actions, and so he's built some people to be physical protectors, and that is a good Yeah.

00:04:37.000 And so, in Jesus as well, Jesus is a warrior.

00:04:40.000 He is the commander of the Lord's army, as seen in Revelation 19, with a sharp double-edged sword to strike down the nations, not win a tickle fight, you know?

00:04:48.000 And so, he put his armor and sword aside to come to earth on a hostage rescue mission.

00:04:56.000 Right.

00:04:56.000 But now, back in glory, he's wielding double sword again, and when he comes back, it isn't to die and save the world, it's to deliver it.

00:05:05.000 And so they don't recognize, no, Jesus is a warrior.

00:05:08.000 He just gave you a glimpse of something different on a very narrow mission to save us.

00:05:15.000 Interesting way to put it.

00:05:16.000 Kind of a hostage crisis.

00:05:18.000 That's what it was.

00:05:19.000 Because I've always said, if ever I'm held hostage, I do not want to hear a woman on that megaphone. 1.00

00:05:23.000 Because it could get emotionally escalatory. 0.99

00:05:29.000 I won't just kill them. 1.00

00:05:29.000 I'm gonna kill them all. 1.00

00:05:30.000 I don't even like them. 1.00

00:05:31.000 I don't care. 0.90

00:05:33.000 No, I'm gonna die.

00:05:35.000 But that goes back to the idea.

00:05:36.000 I know you've talked about this and you've referenced Jordan Peterson in the past.

00:05:39.000 He's been a longtime friend of mine.

00:05:42.000 The idea of bridled strength.

00:05:45.000 You know, there's no virtue in being weak and saying, well, see, I don't use it.

00:05:48.000 It's really easy to say, well, I don't want to fight.

00:05:50.000 Well, it's because you can't.

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 Right.

00:05:52.000 Turning the other cheek means you have a cheek to turn.

00:05:54.000 Right.

00:05:55.000 And I think that's a big, I don't want to misrepresent, but I think, or would you say that's why you focus on that idea of sort of masculine strength combined with, of course, humility, because it's something that's maybe been lost a little bit or the church has been done a disservice and being overly feminized in the modern era sometimes.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:06:13.000 I think the greatest man was Jesus, who's the perfect picture of bridled strength.

00:06:19.000 Right.

00:06:19.000 A dude who can endure the worst.

00:06:21.000 Sorry, I just felt immediately bad calling Jesus a dude.

00:06:24.000 It's okay.

00:06:26.000 Jesus abides.

00:06:27.000 Amen.

00:06:27.000 He does.

00:06:28.000 Endured absolutely one of the worst Uh, tortures known to man and crucified and yet not, not crying out.

00:06:37.000 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 Not crying out.

00:06:38.000 Gerald, would you cry out a little bit?

00:06:39.000 I would absolutely cry out.

00:06:40.000 I've done some research into what it means to be scourged.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 The, the lashes and how they dig into your flesh and tear them off and then get down into the, the body.

00:06:48.000 Like basically it's just like having the back removed off of you.

00:06:52.000 To give you an idea.

00:06:52.000 I would have cried out.

00:06:53.000 I would have cried out too.

00:06:54.000 Two maybe?

00:06:55.000 Maybe you would have gotten to two.

00:06:56.000 The temple curtain would have been torn when they gave me vinegar.

00:07:00.000 I'm like, what the heck? 0.53

00:07:02.000 Vinegar?

00:07:03.000 And I don't know where this sponge has been.

00:07:06.000 My last drink.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, my last drink.

00:07:08.000 I mean, even prisoners get a last meal.

00:07:10.000 I could have even made the wine.

00:07:11.000 Just bring me water.

00:07:12.000 I would not have been very tolerant.

00:07:15.000 But you know, this brings me to something.

00:07:16.000 I've talked about this in the past, and sometimes Christians disagree with me on this.

00:07:19.000 And I'm curious to hear your take.

00:07:20.000 You used to disagree with me on this.

00:07:22.000 On what?

00:07:23.000 You're about to find out.

00:07:26.000 You talk about Jesus, yeah, he was crucified, and I once had a pastor say, what's the opposite of love?

00:07:30.000 And it's one of those things, like a trick question, no matter, like, well, I guess it's hate.

00:07:34.000 He said, no, no, it's fear.

00:07:35.000 We fear what we hate, we hate what we fear.

00:07:37.000 And I said, well, hold on a second, that implies that fear is evil.

00:07:39.000 Yeah.

00:07:39.000 Jesus had to have lived with fear because he would have had to experience human emotion.

00:07:43.000 You look at him in the garden saying, like, if there's any other way, and he faced it anyway.

00:07:47.000 It's not having your actions dictated by fear.

00:07:51.000 Now, some people have argued with me, and I could be wrong, saying, no, Jesus would have never been afraid.

00:07:55.000 Yeah.

00:07:56.000 Um, where do you line up on that?

00:07:57.000 I would say I don't think Jesus was ever afraid.

00:08:00.000 I don't think that's a, uh, necessarily an emotion that humans have to exhibit.

00:08:06.000 So, for instance, a terrible... Well, there's a feeling versus a... exhibiting would be a behavior.

00:08:11.000 I mean, he sweat blood, which he was stressed.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, at least stress.

00:08:15.000 That was before they had the mushroom adaptogen coffee.

00:08:18.000 It was at least, I really would rather not be tortured, but I don't know that I would go as far to say fear.

00:08:27.000 Maybe I should say the human element of being repelled from discomfort, but understanding he would have to go to it anyway.

00:08:35.000 Maybe the idea of discomfort, because if he didn't experience discomfort, then none of it means anything.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I believe that God became a man and he was actually fully man.

00:08:47.000 Right.

00:08:48.000 He was fully God as well.

00:08:48.000 At that point.

00:08:49.000 It's the hypostatic union.

00:08:51.000 And so that's what I think.

00:08:53.000 And so whatever humans got to do.

00:08:54.000 I don't know a single man who's never been afraid.

00:08:57.000 But I've never known a single man that could go sinless either.

00:09:00.000 I would actually make the argument that the Garden of Gethsemane experience was not so much about the physical, even though the physical was a major part of it, it was about the, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

00:09:14.000 The time where God looks down and no longer sees his son and having the first time in all of existence broken connection.

00:09:21.000 That maybe would be the biggest... I guess if there's a point at which you could say, was Jesus afraid?

00:09:27.000 I think it would be on the cross in that moment where he's for the first time ever separated from God.

00:09:32.000 But I don't know if... I understand what you're saying about afraid.

00:09:34.000 No, and I... You're trying to define it.

00:09:36.000 I agree with where you're going.

00:09:37.000 Yes, and I didn't want to... I didn't mean to start a theological debate right off the bat, because I think we agree on 99% C.

00:09:43.000 But I say because there are a lot of pastors sometimes who don't do what you do, and they say, you know, be not afraid.

00:09:49.000 It's like, hold on a second, the reason that we're called to, for the same reason that we're called to, you know, not have premarital sex, for the same reason we're called to, it's hard to be not afraid.

00:09:56.000 In other words, as human beings, our instinct is to be afraid, and I think sometimes that's undersold to Christians.

00:10:01.000 Like, if you trust in the Lord, you won't be afraid.

00:10:03.000 No, that is the struggle, and that's why we have to trust.

00:10:06.000 In God.

00:10:07.000 And I always felt, as someone who has always lived my life very fearfully, you know, before grappling tournaments, before live appearances, you said you like public speaking.

00:10:15.000 I hate it.

00:10:16.000 Really?

00:10:16.000 I have horrible stage fright.

00:10:17.000 You're great at it, man!

00:10:18.000 I've always had stage fright.

00:10:19.000 Every time.

00:10:20.000 But I've always felt the need to try and get past it, and sometimes I felt like pastors were missing that.

00:10:26.000 I was like, there must be something wrong with me, because I'm often afraid, but I try and get over it.

00:10:31.000 Right.

00:10:31.000 Through God.

00:10:31.000 I'm not saying Jesus was a scaredy cat.

00:10:35.000 Yeah.

00:10:36.000 That he ran away?

00:10:38.000 Well, he came back the very next three days.

00:10:38.000 Whatever.

00:10:41.000 After we're done, I'm going to jump in the comments.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 He wasn't afraid of cats, Stephen.

00:10:45.000 I'm already all over you.

00:10:48.000 Well, what does it mean, I guess, to be a warrior?

00:10:48.000 All over it.

00:10:51.000 And you've talked about this, and I have a quote that I find interesting that may not be historically accurate, but the relevance, I think, applies.

00:10:57.000 You say, a whole man is not part warrior, part poet.

00:11:00.000 He's all warrior and all poet.

00:11:02.000 The idea that anything else is incomplete.

00:11:05.000 First off, I think it's, you know, how do you balance the two?

00:11:07.000 But I also think this is important because I do think that you touch on this and people will misrepresent you.

00:11:12.000 They'll try and say, this is this false Christianity, machismo, which go watch his stuff, you know, Warrior Poet. 0.63

00:11:17.000 You can search it on YouTube.

00:11:18.000 They might not find you.

00:11:19.000 Go follow him on Twitter.

00:11:20.000 We'll have the links.

00:11:21.000 The idea of a man being a jock or being an artist, that's a very new, it's almost 80s teen rom-coms.

00:11:28.000 It used to be.

00:11:29.000 You know, Abe Lincoln was a wrestler and he wept.

00:11:32.000 I mean, Jesus was a powerful man and he wept with his friends and he loved.

00:11:35.000 You were considered an incomplete man if you didn't have all of these facets.

00:11:38.000 And you talk about all of them, but a lot of times people focus on just warrior.

00:11:42.000 Right.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, I think a warrior should really love the people that he's trying to protect.

00:11:49.000 Otherwise, you spend your time trying to protect those you love, and you end up being such a brute.

00:11:56.000 You're insufferable to live with, and you're going to lose the thing that you protect.

00:11:59.000 And I think the poet understands a little bit better of how to Actually, hey, say something that doesn't, you know, make your kids hit the roof and, you know, you can get along with the missus and whatnot.

00:12:10.000 And so I think there's different aspects that absolutely need to be present for us to be able to just do life well.

00:12:20.000 Of most of the dudes that I know that were in special operations of any kind, most of them, you know, their families fell apart. 0.89

00:12:29.000 They're just kind of brutes. 0.89

00:12:31.000 It's hard to turn it off. 0.99

00:12:33.000 It's hard to turn it off.

00:12:34.000 And so I think we need to be able to be strong, tough men.

00:12:39.000 And we also need to be able to be gentle and kind and romantic and emotionally available for our kids.

00:12:46.000 And I think that's part of masculinity.

00:12:48.000 I was eating at a restaurant recently with my whole family and my, you know, my wife and I were talking.

00:12:56.000 About something that made my boys go of like, ugh, yuck, romance-y stuff.

00:13:01.000 I'm like, son, it's half of being a man.

00:13:02.000 Yeah.

00:13:03.000 It's half of being a man.

00:13:04.000 Plus, when you grow up, you're gonna like what it leads to.

00:13:08.000 That's right!

00:13:08.000 Hey, there's some perks.

00:13:10.000 That's in the Bible, too!

00:13:11.000 Hey, Brutes, there's some perks to romance.

00:13:13.000 Yes.

00:13:14.000 She cares a little less about your deadlift.

00:13:16.000 Though, hey, deadlifts are cool.

00:13:18.000 She cares a little less about your deadlift and more about you being nice.

00:13:22.000 Right.

00:13:22.000 So I think that's a... Well, I don't think she cares about you being nice.

00:13:26.000 I think she cares about you respecting her.

00:13:27.000 Sure.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, because some people will, you know, the comment section right away.

00:13:30.000 First off, people are going to argue that you don't have to do deadlifts, sir.

00:13:33.000 You can do Romanian deadlifts. 1.00

00:13:34.000 I don't really care.

00:13:34.000 I know.

00:13:35.000 But on the nice thing, I think, you know, it's more about respect and obviously loving your wife, loving your family as Christ loved the church.

00:13:44.000 You know, nice.

00:13:45.000 I mean, Hitler was nice to some people.

00:13:47.000 Not the Jews, obviously. 1.00

00:13:48.000 But the point is, nice is something easier to fake than actually And, you know, nice can be a flatterer.

00:13:54.000 It'd be very nice for me to tell you exactly what you wanted to hear.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:13:59.000 But I think love always speaks the truth.

00:14:02.000 You can't divorce love and truth.

00:14:04.000 And the moment you do, love becomes an absolute fraud.

00:14:07.000 And so I may tell you something that's not nice, but it's true.

00:14:11.000 Now, maybe I'm being kind, but not nice.

00:14:14.000 I'm not just saying stuff, and I think it is below a real man to just say the nice thing.

00:14:20.000 But my wife, even more than respect, she wants to, you know, she wants the sweet stuff, you know, the pillow talk stuff as well. 1.00

00:14:27.000 Love and truth, right?

00:14:28.000 Obviously, you don't want to You can, there's a lot of people in Christianity and the Christian world who are right.

00:14:34.000 Yeah.

00:14:34.000 They have truth on their side.

00:14:35.000 Right.

00:14:36.000 But they don't have any love.

00:14:37.000 Right.

00:14:38.000 And so, and Paul talks to us about this, like it doesn't matter if you don't have love, you're missing the point on all of these things and so it's not received.

00:14:43.000 And so you can be nice all day long to somebody, but without the truth, It still doesn't mean anything, so I think people really— I think we've gone for the other way, though, I would say.

00:14:53.000 We've gone for the other way where a lot of churches are about—because, you know, they need to pass an offering plate—about nice, right?

00:14:59.000 You're incentivized to not focus on discomfort.

00:15:02.000 And we've done that as a society.

00:15:03.000 For example, I think one of the worst hijackings that you've seen from—and conservatives and Christians will do this and say, well, you know, you can identify however you want to identify if you're an adult, but—and then they draw the line with kids. 0.62

00:15:14.000 Like, well, hold on a second.

00:15:15.000 You're not drawing the line at truth because you think people will think that you're not nice.

00:15:19.000 I don't think there's anything unkind in telling someone, hold on a second, I understand that you feel a certain way, but you're not a, I love you, but you're not a woman. 1.00

00:15:27.000 And to go out and to tell other people that they're a woman, that's not nice because you're going to harm other people.

00:15:33.000 That truth has to be that dividing line, and sometimes we bend it in the church.

00:15:37.000 No, it's 100%.

00:15:38.000 So his thing is warrior-poet, right?

00:15:39.000 And I want to know where you got that, and I'll get to that in a second, but it's also love and truth.

00:15:43.000 It's not 50-50.

00:15:44.000 He watched the film Warrior and was reading Robert Frost.

00:15:46.000 There you go, yeah, exactly.

00:15:48.000 I have an idea of where maybe... You've been reading my diary?

00:15:51.000 How could you possibly know?

00:15:52.000 Who is this guy?

00:15:53.000 How could you possibly have known that?

00:15:54.000 I'm one of the great cat burglars of the world.

00:15:56.000 Your researchers need praises.

00:15:58.000 Fantastic.

00:15:59.000 That was spectacular.

00:16:00.000 I do my homework.

00:16:01.000 You have to have both truth and love.

00:16:02.000 It's 100% of each, right?

00:16:04.000 It's 100% warrior, 100% poet, right?

00:16:07.000 Like you talked about in your book.

00:16:08.000 But I think the place where the warrior-poet thing... Are you a Mel Gibson fan, by chance?

00:16:14.000 I like some of the movies he's made.

00:16:15.000 I like his voicemails.

00:16:17.000 That took me a moment.

00:16:20.000 That's because they're not directed at you.

00:16:22.000 I think Mel Gibson has made some fantastic movies.

00:16:24.000 He has.

00:16:25.000 Okay, so did you like Braveheart?

00:16:26.000 Yes.

00:16:27.000 Are you familiar with the end of Braveheart?

00:16:29.000 They fought like warrior poets.

00:16:30.000 There you go!

00:16:31.000 Is that where you got the name from?

00:16:32.000 I have no idea.

00:16:32.000 Oh, come on!

00:16:32.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.

00:16:33.000 I've never seen Braveheart.

00:16:34.000 Zero idea.

00:16:35.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:16:36.000 I skipped that one part.

00:16:37.000 You did?

00:16:38.000 Completely original.

00:16:39.000 No, I ripped it off, bro.

00:16:41.000 No, that's not even... Why are you calling me off on the... Yeah, I ripped it off.

00:16:43.000 It's okay, I ripped off your diary.

00:16:44.000 Respect, in fact.

00:16:46.000 I actually thought it was really cool, because I always loved that line, they fought like warrior poets, and I was like, well, that's great.

00:16:51.000 I don't know what the poet part meant, but they mooned people and then won.

00:16:54.000 Well, Warrior Poets is a freedom fighter.

00:16:56.000 It's somebody who is moved by virtue to risk life and limb for others.

00:17:02.000 And that's what we're all about.

00:17:04.000 Now, the other part, society, came from Dead Poets Society.

00:17:07.000 Oh, okay, yeah.

00:17:08.000 And so, between the two, Warrior Poets Society.

00:17:10.000 So, oh captain, my captain!

00:17:12.000 There we go.

00:17:12.000 Is Dead Poets, is that Kevin Kline or is that Robin Williams?

00:17:14.000 Robin Williams.

00:17:15.000 Robin Williams.

00:17:15.000 And then, what's, oh, Dead Presidents Club, right?

00:17:18.000 With the... It's totally a different society.

00:17:19.000 I just always get them confused.

00:17:21.000 They're both boarding schools.

00:17:22.000 There's one with Kevin Kline that's a boarding school.

00:17:24.000 But the point remains, let me ask you this, because a lot of people watching, right, aren't necessarily military.

00:17:31.000 People reading your book, you know, the Warrior Poet Way, they're not necessarily involved in day-to-day conflict.

00:17:37.000 So how would this teaching, you know, apply to them?

00:17:41.000 The idea of fighting for what?

00:17:44.000 Well, I mean, you don't have to be in the military to be involved in conflict.

00:17:47.000 Conflict has found us.

00:17:48.000 There's no hiding from it.

00:17:49.000 It's in your workplaces, it's at your own family reunions, which have been divided for years where, you know, of like wherever you fall on COVID or whatever, you can't even talk to these family members anymore and sexuality and The fight is at our doorstep for truth, and we just need men with backbones that love people enough to actually say, I'm not moving, I'm not self-censoring, I'm going to say the truth, and if you don't like it, then I am deeply upset by that, because I love you, you know, family, but I'm going to tell the truth, as Martin Luther would say, peace if possible, but the truth at all costs, because love cannot stand on lies.

00:18:27.000 Right.

00:18:28.000 And so, you know, anywhere that there's a conflict. 0.89

00:18:31.000 I also carry concealed every day of my life because there's a bunch of mental unhealthy people out there that want to shoot people up.

00:18:36.000 And the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

00:18:39.000 So if something goes down when I'm playing zone, this is my area.

00:18:43.000 I'm going to be ready to defend.

00:18:45.000 I'm going to be ready to protect.

00:18:46.000 And so, you know, I have to join the military to be able to be one of those silent guardians out there.

00:18:52.000 One of these warrior poets ready to protect.

00:18:54.000 The innocent and so do your part to stand for truth in your speech in your workplaces it's gonna freedom at this point we're so late in the game freedom is going to cost everyone something personally.

00:19:08.000 Now and so that's this that's the fight.

00:19:08.000 Yeah.

00:19:12.000 I think we're talking about protecting the innocent right now we are definitely At a tipping point society where that would include all children.

00:19:18.000 And I don't just mean the gender reassignment surgeries and the puberty blockers and those laws, though that is the most severe manifestation.

00:19:24.000 I mean the idea that our children, they have access to a digital town square, very different from a public town square, that may be completely devoid of truth, and that's by design.

00:19:34.000 And you can't combat that, for example the big tech censorship, with just being, just being nice.

00:19:40.000 Truth has to cut through, and that means there is absolutely a fight.

00:19:40.000 Right.

00:19:43.000 I mean, there's a fight in informational warfare right now that is, and for crying out loud, our kids were locked up and they weren't going to school.

00:19:49.000 We have the highest depression rates that we've seen in a long time.

00:19:52.000 Substance abuse rates in teenagers never seen before.

00:19:54.000 We did this to our kids.

00:19:55.000 And that in itself is a war, a figurative war.

00:19:58.000 I think so too.

00:19:59.000 One wonderful thing that happened during the lockdown, and it's hard to even say, oh wait, something happened that was good to be, yeah, a lot of folks found out what was happening in government schools and they pulled the plug and they got their kids back.

00:20:12.000 Who knows how many generations will be rescued because of that one simple thing.

00:20:17.000 The homeschooling movement has exploded.

00:20:19.000 Now I'm speaking at homeschooling conferences and dads are now joining in to help raise these kids and educate the kids, and you're seeing a bit of a ground-swelling movement where mom and dad's working together to actually educate and to make kids strong, ready for a world breaking at the seams.

00:20:39.000 Well, I've always thought it was very important, and when I was raised in Canada, I knew one kid ever who was homeschooled.

00:20:44.000 It was a very weird thing.

00:20:46.000 I don't know exactly what the laws are, but I know in a lot of other European countries and in Canada, specifically where I was, Quebec, they're far more stringent on homeschooling.

00:20:54.000 And I think maybe, yeah, with COVID, we learned that you're more capable of doing it than ever.

00:20:59.000 They were basically doing homeschooling, but with a public school teacher and a blue chain gang haircut.

00:21:04.000 I hear it and immediately it just upsets me of like, what do you mean they're, you know, allowing you to educate your own kids?

00:21:13.000 These don't belong to the government.

00:21:14.000 What kind of Marxism is this?

00:21:16.000 You're not allowed to teach your kids what you want?

00:21:18.000 You must send them to the government and the government will tell them what?

00:21:22.000 It is ludicrous to me that homeschooling wouldn't just be a complete open door without any restrictions.

00:21:27.000 Well, that's where they start from the premise of they're all of our kids.

00:21:30.000 Nope, they're not.

00:21:31.000 They're just my kids.

00:21:32.000 They're not yours.

00:21:33.000 They are mine alone.

00:21:37.000 I'm a big fan of the homeschooling thing, but I think, kind of to Stephen's point, they were weird for a long time.

00:21:42.000 No, it was a weird situation because there was only one kid.

00:21:46.000 His name was Simon.

00:21:47.000 He ate his own boogers.

00:21:48.000 There were a lot of homeschool kids a while back.

00:21:51.000 When I was growing up, I graduated in 1998 from high school.

00:21:55.000 I didn't experience any of this stuff that I remember in school, right?

00:21:59.000 None of this stuff that's going on right now.

00:22:01.000 So I understand the move towards it.

00:22:02.000 And I understand like what you're saying, technology had to spring forward quite a bit to make sure that we made it accessible for people to be able to do homeschooling.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 Right.

00:22:10.000 And you know, with zoom and all this stuff that kind of was there, but then really kind of blew up, I, it was the people were a little bit more weird.

00:22:17.000 They were not as adjusted in society.

00:22:19.000 They hadn't been socialized quite as much.

00:22:21.000 Right now that's going away with all of the different ways that people are socialized and it's the kids that go to school that they maybe run with their kids for a minute and then friends but then they come home and they're on Facebook they're on well maybe not Facebook anymore the kids are on something else they're not on Instagram they're on something they're doing something else that's not connected to the outside world right they're just isolating by themselves we would come home and go play That's where we got most of the socialization from.

00:22:43.000 But you didn't experience it because you were a bully, Baby Huey.

00:22:46.000 You were bigger than all the other kids who were like, I had a great time in school. 0.98

00:22:46.000 I was a bully. 0.98

00:22:49.000 First and second grade. 0.99

00:22:50.000 Right, because you beat the crap out of everybody. 0.97

00:22:51.000 I never beat the crap out of anybody. 0.97

00:22:53.000 I just was playing rough.

00:22:54.000 And it was early on.

00:22:55.000 That's exactly what a bully would say.

00:22:56.000 I was a foot tall.

00:22:57.000 Exactly.

00:22:58.000 Thank you.

00:22:59.000 Thank you.

00:22:59.000 See?

00:23:00.000 At least we have a warrior poet to stand up to.

00:23:02.000 Hey, how dare you, sir?

00:23:03.000 I came to my come to Jesus moment in third grade when I accidentally heard a kid who had just returned from knee surgery and I didn't know it and I ran up behind him and kicked him.

00:23:11.000 And he's not a bully.

00:23:11.000 In his knee.

00:23:13.000 I disabuse you of your notion.

00:23:14.000 Yes, not anymore. 1.00

00:23:15.000 You were a bully. 0.85

00:23:16.000 Up until third grade. 0.95

00:23:17.000 Well, yeah, you didn't know.

00:23:18.000 I was a nice bully.

00:23:20.000 What?

00:23:21.000 I'm trying to give you the out to move on.

00:23:22.000 I'm a nice bully.

00:23:23.000 Just let it go.

00:23:24.000 You're now not a bully.

00:23:26.000 So I was a nice kid who was bigger and I abused my biggerness.

00:23:30.000 I never beat anybody up or pinned them against lockers or ran with a crew that would push down the little kids that couldn't defend themselves.

00:23:37.000 It was just that when it came to sports, I was going to assert myself and I didn't care if you liked it.

00:23:41.000 Well this brings me to another... So I was bullied a lot in school.

00:23:44.000 Now keep in mind...

00:23:46.000 You know, I was raised in French Canada, where we don't have conservatives, we have liberals and liberal separatists.

00:23:53.000 And there's a very strong anti-American sentiment, an undercurrent with a lot of sort of liberal Canadians.

00:23:59.000 And my dad always wanted me to be very proud of being American and kind of learn where I came from.

00:24:05.000 So, I was very often at odds.

00:24:06.000 I mean, it was more acceptable to preach the ideas of socialism, which Quebec is, or communism in class, than the idea that, hey, America isn't such a bad country. 0.99

00:24:14.000 Now, I wasn't a physically strong kid like you, so I fought back with my mouth, you know, making fun of whatever it is, teasing, and then, of course, I would inevitably get my ass kicked. 0.55

00:24:25.000 But I really wish, you know, that I had, and this goes back to the idea of bridled strength, I didn't know how to defend myself.

00:24:32.000 And I remember my dad wanted me to learn how to defend myself as a kid because he knew that I was bullied.

00:24:36.000 And at that point in time, you know, it was karate and kung fu and all the stuff that doesn't work, you know, the McDojo stuff.

00:24:41.000 And he saw the early UFC.

00:24:43.000 He said, there's this guy, Hoyce Gracie.

00:24:44.000 I'm going to send you down to this place.

00:24:46.000 They're teaching jujitsu at the community center.

00:24:48.000 Well, it was the same guy who taught me karate, and it was Aikikai Jiu-Jitsu-Do, and he made me buy Chinese slippers.

00:24:53.000 So he wasn't really teaching Jiu-Jitsu.

00:24:55.000 And he actually admonished my brother and I for wrestling in class.

00:24:57.000 He's like, we don't do that.

00:24:58.000 Get in line.

00:25:00.000 But I think it would have changed.

00:25:01.000 We got to celebrate that punctuation.

00:25:04.000 That was really fun.

00:25:05.000 So I had good Kiai.

00:25:07.000 It comes from your diaphragm.

00:25:08.000 You've got to breathe from down here.

00:25:10.000 But now with twins, I'm not going to force them into any sport.

00:25:13.000 But they have to get the blue belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:25:13.000 Right.

00:25:15.000 Because I feel like if I would have had that tool, I would have been able to de-escalate.

00:25:19.000 I wouldn't have been nearly as fearful if I knew that if push came to shove, that I could have defended myself.

00:25:24.000 And it changes who you are.

00:25:26.000 And as a kid, being so afraid, not knowing that I could ultimately take care of that if it came to it, definitely forced me to live in a lot more fear than in my later years at 18, 19.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, I like that idea.

00:25:39.000 Make our boys strong and able to protect.

00:25:43.000 That's part of why we've been given strength is to be able to protect.

00:25:45.000 That's good.

00:25:45.000 Right.

00:25:46.000 But the same applies to conceal carry like you've talked about.

00:25:48.000 The same applies to being capable, right?

00:25:50.000 Is having that along, it has to come with a strong moral fiber, a backbone.

00:25:55.000 It really does make, that's the only way I think to make good men.

00:25:59.000 I think you're right, absolutely.

00:26:01.000 And you talk about it so much.

00:26:02.000 Do you feel like this is a message that isn't heard enough a lot out there and that's why you've kind of made it your raison d'etre?

00:26:09.000 Yeah, I see a lot of encouragement for women to be strong and bold, but you don't really see the same for men.

00:26:17.000 And that is unforgivable.

00:26:17.000 Right.

00:26:20.000 Well, I think that, yeah, women, when you say it this way, often women Feminism is lauded culturally.

00:26:28.000 Right.

00:26:28.000 And traditional masculinity is treated punitively by mandate.

00:26:33.000 And by that I mean actual, like you even talked about Good Samaritan laws recently.

00:26:36.000 No good deed goes unpunished, depending on the state that you're in.

00:26:39.000 That's a traditionally masculine trait.

00:26:41.000 I'm not talking about being a bully.

00:26:42.000 I'm talking about protecting the innocent.

00:26:44.000 Zero tolerance policies in school.

00:26:46.000 If a kid is being bullied, if you do anything at all where I was raised, you could be getting punched in the face, and if you shove the bully off, you both go into suspension.

00:26:54.000 So there are punitive damages sometimes levied on men for doing what men have done since the beginning of time, whereas everything feminine, even if it's masculine femininity, Is that something that you feel has a lot of young men confused and is ultimately worse for women?

00:27:09.000 And you brought up the idea of government schools feminizing men, your young boys as well.

00:27:09.000 Right.

00:27:14.000 So it basically stops that pursuit of being able to be strong.

00:27:18.000 And men need those kind of killer instincts.

00:27:22.000 It's going to help them in every single area of their life of, hey, Push comes to shove if you have to physically protect that you're ready to do that.

00:27:29.000 It's also going to give, it'll spill over into confidence.

00:27:32.000 I think you were alluding to this as well, so that you can be strong with your words and you can be a safe guardian of truth knowing that if like, oh, if this goes to blow, oh, I'm good with that too.

00:27:42.000 Like in Good Will Hunting, when he just totally undoes this dude intellectually and he's like, but then if you want to step outside.

00:27:49.000 Why don't we go ahead and do that?

00:27:50.000 How do you like them apples?

00:27:51.000 And I'm like, yeah!

00:27:52.000 I was like, either one of like... Except Matt Damon's 5'2", but the point remains.

00:27:56.000 Shut up! 1.00

00:27:56.000 I mean, he's tiny. 1.00

00:27:58.000 You can fit him in your back pocket.

00:27:59.000 Very good.

00:28:01.000 He's maybe slightly taller than Anderson Cooper, but no, I understand exactly what you're talking about.

00:28:05.000 Men should be strong in every area of their life, and that's socially and intellectually and mentally and physically.

00:28:14.000 All of it goes into the strength of a man.

00:28:16.000 So if you are just absolute jacked muscle head with traps, can you guys put traps on me in post?

00:28:23.000 How does this work on the show?

00:28:24.000 We could.

00:28:26.000 With yourself, it might look weird.

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 Touché.

00:28:29.000 Anyway, you can have some just jacked muscle head and then you cut him off in traffic and he just loses his mind.

00:28:34.000 Well, this is a weak person. 0.95

00:28:36.000 That's an unbalanced person.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, this is... your anger is so easily upset by somebody you don't even know.

00:28:42.000 Your sports team loses and you are crestfallen.

00:28:46.000 You can't handle that these... Your family hides for a week.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:28:51.000 To give you time for the next week to maybe get a win.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, or you're weak morally.

00:28:55.000 Usually when I say weak men, I don't mean your squat is very low.

00:29:00.000 Usually I mean, no, you're morally weak. 0.86

00:29:03.000 That means when push comes to shove, you'll stab your best buddy in the back out of fear or to get ahead. 0.99

00:29:10.000 That's a weak man. 0.96

00:29:11.000 Most politicians weak men and it doesn't mean they're not capable of damage

00:29:15.000 it doesn't mean they're not ambitious it doesn't mean they're cutthroat it

00:29:18.000 means that they don't have the moral fortitude the character to be able to

00:29:23.000 stand for the right thing they'll change what they believe on the polls

00:29:27.000 and they don't believe Jack except more power more money for me and less

00:29:30.000 for the people you're honoring gracing themselves to people who they know

00:29:33.000 They'll never leave you.

00:29:35.000 Why can't they just leave me alone?

00:29:36.000 kind of the ultimate lie, right? It's a lie straight from the pit of hell.

00:29:39.000 You said you would kill me last, right? You'll see a lot of people even, you see 0.99

00:29:42.000 it from churches, you see it from people on the right with Facebook, say okay

00:29:46.000 we'll play ball with Facebook and not talk about whatever it is or then we'll

00:29:48.000 do it with YouTube, okay we'll do it and then all of a sudden you're on an island

00:29:51.000 and it's, look, the answer from tyrants is always more.

00:29:55.000 Right. They'll never live and let live. No. They'll never leave you. Why can't they

00:29:58.000 just leave me alone? Because that's not what tyrants do. No. 0.97

00:30:02.000 They will find you.

00:30:03.000 I do think there's hope amidst this sociological fog.

00:30:08.000 The weakening of masculinity of people have been pushed to the brink and then some and people are waking up.

00:30:14.000 And I think cowardice has spread under our rulers for far too long.

00:30:21.000 And I personally, I deeply miss courage.

00:30:23.000 If I can find a dude that just has, I mean, just, just show me a little bit of backbone, a little bit of character and stand your ground.

00:30:30.000 And I'm like, I will follow that guy.

00:30:32.000 And so it turns out cowardice does spread, but so does courage.

00:30:37.000 And people are waking up and men are standing up tall with their shoulders back.

00:30:42.000 Right.

00:30:43.000 Well, the one thing that I hope is that you're right.

00:30:46.000 We are seeing that change a little bit right now, but these things tend to overcorrect, right?

00:30:50.000 You tend to kind of suppress this so much and there's an overcorrection for it.

00:30:54.000 It's like, that's, I think that's one of the things that we're fighting against.

00:30:56.000 It's like, no, return it to its proper place.

00:30:59.000 That's right.

00:30:59.000 It doesn't need to go over the top to kind of counterbalance.

00:31:02.000 It just needs to go back to its proper place.

00:31:04.000 And that's really my point in the warrior-poet way, is I want to avoid the historical errors of penduluming back and forth to these extremes.

00:31:13.000 I'm like, no, no, no.

00:31:14.000 A warrior can get you through a war, but a poet can live well in peace. 0.75

00:31:19.000 And oftentimes military guys, good at war, suck at life.

00:31:23.000 You know, you're good at one of the others.

00:31:27.000 It's silly to even cite, but remember in one of the Batman movies, I forget which one it was.

00:31:35.000 Could be.

00:31:35.000 He could be going to Batman and Robin.

00:31:37.000 Careful, tread carefully.

00:31:39.000 Commissioner Gordon is up on stage.

00:31:41.000 He's giving a speech and they say, you know, we got plans to replace him.

00:31:44.000 I'm like, well, he's a war hero.

00:31:45.000 I'm like, yeah, but it's peacetime.

00:31:47.000 And so that's the general idea.

00:31:50.000 The Dark Knight.

00:31:51.000 That's an acceptable one.

00:31:52.000 There you go.

00:31:52.000 If you were going to Batman forever, I bet you this interview would go that way.

00:31:56.000 Dark Knight!

00:31:56.000 It's just all caps over and down.

00:31:58.000 It might be Dark Knight Rises, but no, that's absolutely true.

00:32:00.000 Now, I do think there does need to be some grace for For both sides.

00:32:03.000 In other words, don't expect a poet to be a full-blown warrior.

00:32:07.000 And I do think that sometimes, having been around these people who have been in a concussive environment in war, it's like, look, they can't just shut it off.

00:32:15.000 Sometimes we don't do a good job of bringing them back into the fold.

00:32:18.000 And there's a quote, you've heard the quote, jack of all trades, master of none.

00:32:21.000 Right.

00:32:21.000 There's some debate as to the origin.

00:32:23.000 I don't know if this actually comes from Benjamin Franklin, but it was used at one point that a man should be a jack of all trades and a master of none.

00:32:31.000 One, meaning you should be capable in all areas, but you should have an area that you've mastered, an area of expertise.

00:32:36.000 And is that sort of maybe the archetype that you see, like a warrior, poet, all these, but some people are more warrior and some people are more poet?

00:32:44.000 Yeah, I trend more lion and I have to work more on being a lamb.

00:32:49.000 You should be both, you should be.

00:32:51.000 Warrior and poet, I gravitate more toward warrior.

00:32:54.000 And so I have to, through great conscious effort, really cultivate those poet aspects of it.

00:33:01.000 It's going to allow all my relationships to be intact.

00:33:05.000 It's going to keep my staff from rage quitting on me in a year. 0.99

00:33:09.000 I'm like, this guy sucks! 0.99

00:33:12.000 Too much warrior, not enough poet right here. 0.99

00:33:14.000 And so I think everyone is naturally predisposed to the other.

00:33:18.000 It's just simply, it's not okay to not cultivate the parts that you are weak at.

00:33:25.000 Right.

00:33:25.000 It's going to wreck your life.

00:33:26.000 But when being part of a team is probably recognizing and lending your area of expertise, which is like, I'm probably a little more warrior.

00:33:32.000 I'm probably a little more poet when you're talking about serving your community sometimes, recognizing your skill set too.

00:33:36.000 Right.

00:33:37.000 So, for instance, the warrior, you know, say you're in some debate, the warrior needs to understand how to season his speech with salt at certain moments, to be able to not offend somebody necessarily, of like, I'm not afraid to offend somebody, but I recognize that offended brother is more unyielding than a fortified city, and therefore there's a time to just be like, nope, this is truth, suck it up, buttercup, and there's another time to say, okay, This is wrong.

00:34:02.000 I can gain more traction in persuading them if I come at them like a brother, shoulder to shoulder.

00:34:09.000 And that's all I'm really driving at here, is there's a way that a warrior can become far more poetic in those moments, and it's a good thing.

00:34:16.000 And whereas a poet will naturally be like, oh, I don't want to offend anyone, I don't want to say anything.

00:34:21.000 I'm like, well, then you're ceding the battleground to evil forces.

00:34:24.000 Which we've been doing for quite a while.

00:34:26.000 And it's not okay.

00:34:27.000 I think maybe a big difference there, as far as when the role is appropriate, is the ability to identify evil.

00:34:33.000 You know, I've talked about this, like we do Change My Minds, where the vast majority of them are incredibly civil and productive, and then you get some that aren't, because there's a matching of it.

00:34:41.000 There are some people whose minds won't be changed, and that's when it occasionally becomes a debate.

00:34:45.000 Like, there was a girl one time who showed up, and she was very aggressive.

00:34:48.000 It was a pro-life change of mind.

00:34:49.000 She said, well, I had an abortion, and everything else that day had been mostly civil.

00:34:56.000 And this, I still would say, but I said, and when did you have this abortion? 0.85

00:34:59.000 I said, well, I'm going to tell you, you're going to meet that child in heaven one day, and you're going to see his eye color.

00:35:04.000 And you're going to know what his name was.

00:35:06.000 And she got, and people got really upset.

00:35:09.000 I mean, the death threats that I got, she came on the show the next week and she had changed her point of view on abortion, which wasn't nice. 0.99

00:35:17.000 But again, it wasn't about her.

00:35:18.000 I didn't feel that I was looking into the face of someone evil, but I could see this baggage of evil and from people around her going like this.

00:35:27.000 I have to recognize the difference here.

00:35:28.000 I'm not going to be able to do it with just the Socratic method.

00:35:32.000 And sometimes that is, I think, a very valuable skill set is recognizing the minds you can change or people who've been influenced by evil versus those who perpetuate evil on others.

00:35:41.000 And that's where you put your warrior hat on.

00:35:42.000 That's right.

00:35:43.000 I think in a public debate, it far more yields itself to, like, no, crush these terrible arguments, which are actually doing incredible damage of like, oh, no, no, it's minor attracted part.

00:35:53.000 No, no, no. 0.98

00:35:55.000 It's evil, sick, twisted pedophilia. 1.00

00:35:58.000 And if you engage in a hint of it, let's lock you up forever and throw away the key, you sick, twisted, evil individual. 1.00

00:36:06.000 Like, I'm not going to entertain that. 1.00

00:36:07.000 You're going to sound more warrior in those words.

00:36:11.000 It's coming out of like, holy cow, it'd be wildly evil for someone to sit back and let that go.

00:36:17.000 You can't capitulate to that.

00:36:19.000 As if we're supposed to respect all viewpoints.

00:36:21.000 No cannibalism.

00:36:22.000 That's fine.

00:36:22.000 I respect your view.

00:36:24.000 I don't respect that viewpoint.

00:36:25.000 That's a terrible viewpoint.

00:36:27.000 How dare you?

00:36:27.000 What about in an air disaster?

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:29.000 In a what?

00:36:30.000 Air disaster.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, in the Andes.

00:36:32.000 Yeah, it seems that's for most of the cannibalism is in the Andes.

00:36:35.000 You know, I knew a bully would figure out a way.

00:36:38.000 It wasn't enough for me to pick people up. 0.98

00:36:40.000 I want to eat their flesh.

00:36:42.000 Come up with a scenario where I can... It's a famous example. 0.76

00:36:45.000 No, I think it's important because I think a lot of people here will agree with it and then go, okay, what's the road... and when I say roadmap, I mean map, not minor attracted persons.

00:36:53.000 That's why I also don't like it.

00:36:54.000 We already have the word Matt Bean something.

00:36:56.000 The roadmap, like with raising kids, you know, parents will be concerned.

00:36:58.000 Wait, how do I, because they'll say, I want to make sure that my children, both men and

00:37:03.000 women, but particularly with young men, because men are more capable of damage in a lot of

00:37:08.000 ways.

00:37:09.000 I want them to be strong, but how do I know that I ensure that doesn't turn them into

00:37:14.000 a bully?

00:37:15.000 Because we've all seen that happen sometimes too.

00:37:17.000 Well, one great thing is, is I think it's actually quite easy to pass along as long

00:37:21.000 as you exhibit that you can teach what you know, but you can only replicate who you are.

00:37:26.000 And if you're a bully, no matter what you teach your kids, you're probably going to

00:37:29.000 make bullies.

00:37:30.000 But if you're actually, you know, a, a strong.

00:37:34.000 Yet, gentle man, you should have both.

00:37:36.000 Your kids are going to see that, and they're going to naturally see when daddy flips the switch.

00:37:42.000 Right.

00:37:42.000 So the big idea with me and my boys is I think ISIS should fear me.

00:37:48.000 The Taliban should fear me.

00:37:50.000 But my kids don't.

00:37:51.000 You know, they pull no punches in our wrestle matches.

00:37:54.000 They know they can attack daddy full force and they don't have to worry about my temper

00:38:00.000 flaring up or me throwing them through a wall or something.

00:38:03.000 No, like, I love my boys and they feel that safety.

00:38:07.000 And they know I'm dangerous, but they know I'm not dangerous to them.

00:38:11.000 And so I think if you are those things, if you are a warrior poet, you can't help but

00:38:18.000 You can't screw it up.

00:38:19.000 Before, obviously, you coined the phrase warrior poet.

00:38:21.000 My dad was that way.

00:38:23.000 And I would say, too, when I was young, he would probably say that he had, you know, probably didn't have his temper completely under control.

00:38:29.000 Certainly never dangerous, but he was always so loving.

00:38:31.000 In other words, my dad would discipline us where we feared the repercussions.

00:38:35.000 But he's still one of my best friends.

00:38:36.000 I mean, the three people you met here today, like my best friends, are still.

00:38:40.000 Johnny Boy, who you met out there, I've known since I was 12, a year old for 15 years, and

00:38:43.000 my dad.

00:38:44.000 Yeah.

00:38:45.000 And, and I consider that one of my life's greatest blessings.

00:38:47.000 But I watched my dad.

00:38:51.000 He was very, very close with my brother and I. Awesome.

00:38:54.000 More so than other dads, but then I also saw him get into some scuffles, or I guess skirmishes.

00:38:59.000 Never anything very violent, but guys who would maybe do something inappropriate with my mom.

00:39:05.000 I'll tell some stories, because I don't know what I am allowed to discuss, but never anything violent or criminal, but I also noticed that my friend's dads Had a healthy respect of him and and I always saw that as

00:39:15.000 something that I wanted to emulate when I got to an age Where kids like I told my dad to go screw himself because I 0.98

00:39:20.000 can kick his ass and I was like I don't have that luxury 0.99

00:39:25.000 And so he was able to raise me, you know, for a longer period of time. 1.00

00:39:29.000 As opposed to, oh, 15, went through a growth spurt, bye, do what you want.

00:39:29.000 Yeah.

00:39:33.000 Right.

00:39:34.000 And I'm really grateful for that.

00:39:35.000 I also want, you mentioned wrestling.

00:39:37.000 Again, the book is The Warrior Poet Way.

00:39:37.000 Okay.

00:39:40.000 Tell us a story you talk about in your book.

00:39:42.000 And I think this is indicative of kind of what we're talking about here.

00:39:45.000 Tony Lopez.

00:39:46.000 The story in there.

00:39:46.000 Oh.

00:39:48.000 I don't want to talk about Tony.

00:39:49.000 I recovered.

00:39:51.000 Everyone's going to love this because everyone knows a Tony Lopez.

00:39:53.000 Was he your bully?

00:39:55.000 No, he was not.

00:39:56.000 No, he was not.

00:39:57.000 So I was an all-state wrestler.

00:39:59.000 I was a good wrestler.

00:40:01.000 Which state?

00:40:02.000 Georgia.

00:40:02.000 I was all caught up in it.

00:40:04.000 It was like Utah or Wyoming.

00:40:06.000 It's not Iowa or Pennsylvania, but we'll allow it.

00:40:09.000 Sorry, never mind.

00:40:11.000 Wrong state.

00:40:12.000 Next question.

00:40:13.000 New Mexico?

00:40:13.000 What is it?

00:40:14.000 No, that's all state is.

00:40:16.000 For people who don't know, that's very, very high level.

00:40:18.000 I am good.

00:40:18.000 So you're good.

00:40:19.000 In other words, you walk into most rooms and you are going to be one of, if not the top dog.

00:40:24.000 At my school, I was the school's wrestler.

00:40:26.000 That's what I was known for.

00:40:27.000 And so I was very good.

00:40:30.000 Tony was the girls' soccer coach at my high school.

00:40:37.000 I already don't like the description, but I know how the story ends, so I have grace for Mr. Lopez.

00:40:41.000 I knew that he was all martial arts whatever, and I kind of looked down on it a little bit as a little just... I'm like, I don't know, I was like...

00:40:52.000 He wasn't like this specimen figure, just maybe a tiny on the portly side. 0.59

00:40:58.000 He's gonna watch this, find me, and beat the crap out of me all over again.

00:41:02.000 We just spoiled the story! 0.89

00:41:03.000 Yeah, I'm trying to do the thing!

00:41:04.000 But anyway, he had all kinds of black belts and whatnot, but he showed up at our wrestling practice for the day.

00:41:11.000 Middle-aged man, nothing fancy to look at, and he was gonna be my sparring partner.

00:41:17.000 And I'm like, alright, I'm gonna try not to break this old man.

00:41:19.000 Right.

00:41:20.000 And so we start doing, you know, just basic warm-up drills and whatnot.

00:41:23.000 And I'm like, man, this guy can really move.

00:41:26.000 And he's just chatting, being real nice, just chatting while we're doing this stuff.

00:41:29.000 And finally, we start actually wrestling.

00:41:33.000 And at this point, I'm getting upset because I can tell this guy just moves so smooth and swiftly.

00:41:40.000 It's not like fighting anybody else.

00:41:43.000 On the wrestling mat, of like, this guy, there's something different about the way this guy moves.

00:41:47.000 Then I'm just, I held nothing back.

00:41:49.000 I went all out.

00:41:51.000 And he doesn't realize that we're in a serious, you know, battle of Olympia.

00:41:56.000 He's, he has no idea.

00:41:59.000 You know, I got the rage vein in my neck.

00:42:02.000 And he's just, while pleasantly speaking to me, you know, while this... Oh, that makes it, that makes it so much worse.

00:42:09.000 I thought I was the most dangerous man in the room, and I wasn't.

00:42:11.000 you're like, oh please stop, just put me unconscious and be more gracious.

00:42:15.000 So I talk about this in the book of, I thought I was the most dangerous man in the room,

00:42:20.000 and I wasn't. And so what I learned as part of being the most dangerous man in the room

00:42:25.000 is actually humility. It's the very center of morality, the very center of Christian morality.

00:42:31.000 If pride is the center of Christian immorality, it is the ultimate anti-God thought, pride, then humility is the ultimate center of all morality. 0.61

00:42:41.000 And that note, not me, but God.

00:42:43.000 And so that for me taught me one of the most moral, biggest moral lessons of my life as well.

00:42:50.000 I just happen to have my ego, so...

00:42:54.000 I had a similar experience, except I will say I'm probably the opposite of you in that I was bad at everything growing up, so I had horrible self-esteem.

00:43:02.000 I remember seeing a homeless guy outside of Ogilvie's, and I might not have told the story, where I said, that's going to be me.

00:43:07.000 People walked by, and I was like, I'm not good.

00:43:08.000 I wasn't artistic.

00:43:09.000 I wasn't intelligent.

00:43:11.000 I was a very late bloomer.

00:43:13.000 I remember thinking, I have no discernible skill set.

00:43:13.000 I couldn't do sports.

00:43:16.000 Uh, so I always went into everything scared and I found sort of my niche later in life, what I was good at, you know, no one knew that you could make a living doing this or I didn't know what jujitsu was where I kind of found my sport later on, not a world beater, but it was pretty good.

00:43:28.000 Yeah.

00:43:28.000 And, um, there was a guy, I hope he doesn't mind me saying his name, uh, because it was after this that I found out he was also a believer.

00:43:35.000 His name is Fabricio Medici.

00:43:37.000 So Fabricio, if you see this, hi, thank you.

00:43:39.000 He was, and I trained in jiu-jitsu and judo in Montreal, but like with an unofficial club.

00:43:43.000 I was in New York, working at Fox News for four and a half years, and I hated my life.

00:43:46.000 I just, I just, cause you know, you appear four or five times a week, what do you do with the rest of your time?

00:43:49.000 Write an article.

00:43:51.000 And I was kind of locked down exclusively from doing a whole

00:43:52.000 lot else.

00:43:54.000 So my drug became training.

00:43:57.000 And I did jiu-jitsu like seven times a week, plus weight training.

00:44:00.000 I did do privates where it's just, everything went into it.

00:44:02.000 I turned my joints into a fine powder.

00:44:05.000 But this guy Fabricio Medici, he was high level.

00:44:08.000 I think he won, I think he might've won like a silver at Browns, you know?

00:44:13.000 And he would tell you, he didn't have the greatest wrestling, so he, but he was a really good coach.

00:44:17.000 And small guy, maybe 145.

00:44:19.000 And I didn't think by any means that I was going to, but he said like, come give me more intensity, more

00:44:23.000 intensity it's okay, so get me an instructor.

00:44:25.000 And then it was like walking into a closet full of You know, he just like, butterfly hook, and grabbing the collar, and I just remember feeling like Pinocchio, and completely helpless.

00:44:35.000 And then afterwards, we were sitting there, and I assumed, you know, every Brazilian who I had known was Catholic, and you know, I would say very carnal, if you see Carnival, very sexual people. 0.98

00:44:44.000 But he was a really straight-laced guy, and I said something in the car, he was driving me back, which he didn't have to do.

00:44:49.000 He said, well, you know, we're all waiting for the same time when you come back.

00:44:53.000 I said, wait, what?

00:44:55.000 He said, what'd you say?

00:44:56.000 Did we just become best friends?

00:44:57.000 I said, wait, are you saying who I think you're saying?

00:45:01.000 You mean Jesus?

00:45:02.000 I said, yeah.

00:45:02.000 I was like, I had no idea.

00:45:03.000 I don't talk about it too much with my students.

00:45:05.000 And then we talked and I found out he was a good Christian guy.

00:45:07.000 He was a great instructor and everyone wanted to train with this guy, even though he was a killer.

00:45:11.000 He could lay you down and put you in a spot where it's almost more humbling because you're like, he's doing this easily.

00:45:17.000 And I learned early on, I was very fortunate to have a really good instructor.

00:45:21.000 If I didn't, my gosh, my path would have been different.

00:45:23.000 So he was my Tony Lopez.

00:45:25.000 It's funny how common it is for the most dangerous men alive are humble and unassuming and extremely nice guys.

00:45:36.000 It's, you know, the lower level guys who get some measure of skill and it's, you know, Bravado, I always want to say vibrato, and that's a difference.

00:45:46.000 It's a vocal thing.

00:45:49.000 Although they can be cocky SOBs too, if they have a perfect falsetto. 0.96

00:45:52.000 I'm so sick of bullying us with your strange stuff.

00:45:57.000 Les Miserables, Eddie Redmayne, Empty Chairs, every note was vibrato.

00:46:02.000 It was amazing.

00:46:03.000 I'm like, come on man, spread it around a bit.

00:46:06.000 Leave some talent for the rest of us.

00:46:07.000 Yeah, incredible, but some of the most dangerous men on the planet, and I've met all kinds of them, and all the different special operations that I've worked with, usually very humble, unassuming dudes that can take you apart.

00:46:22.000 Well you have those humbling experiences.

00:46:24.000 You guys just described yours and I think that's a challenge for guys is if they don't have one of those humbling experiences, they end up thinking that they can kind of do whatever they want, say whatever they want until they run to that wall eventually, because eventually you will.

00:46:36.000 That's why physical activity, like I think you said, we're not talking about being the most macho guy, but it does matter because it is something quantifiable tangible.

00:46:43.000 In other words, you can't move that weight on that barbell.

00:46:46.000 You can't pin this guy, or whatever it is, you can't throw that football.

00:46:49.000 That measurable progress, for me, I don't think there's a way for young men to develop self-esteem any other way outside of becoming excellent at something.

00:46:56.000 I think suffering produces character and there's no shortcut.

00:47:00.000 You want to be a good man?

00:47:00.000 Yeah.

00:47:01.000 Well then you've got to be, you've got to suffer.

00:47:02.000 Right.

00:47:03.000 And there's just, suffering produces character and perseverance, endurance, and so there's no shortcut.

00:47:11.000 Yeah, but what would you say, let me ask you this, because there are a lot of people, and I agree with a lot of what he says, like for example, Andrew Tate talks about math, and I think he's right in a lot of what he says as far as, you know, young men are hurting and they need to be told not to be hyperly emotional, but to be disciplined in regulating their emotions.

00:47:25.000 There are things that he says that are right, and then there are things that he does that kind of do as I say, not as I do.

00:47:29.000 But people say it's a men's rights thing, and we've been doing this on the show since Cassie J back in 2015-16.

00:47:38.000 Young men who are hurting their suffering, but they feel as though they're suffering with no end in sight, right?

00:47:42.000 No kind of redemption.

00:47:44.000 That's what a lot of young men feel, where they're browbeaten for being men, and then they're not as good at being women, and they're just checking out of the dating pool.

00:47:50.000 Forty-something percent of young men don't want to get married, and sixty-something percent of young women say there aren't men worth marrying.

00:47:57.000 Do you see that as a reason that maybe sometimes people like the Andrew Taits of the world, that's why young men tend to gravitate toward them and get maybe a piece of the puzzle but miss another component?

00:48:06.000 Yeah, so I haven't followed Tate for long.

00:48:10.000 I tried, and then I said something he didn't like, and he blocked me on Twitter.

00:48:13.000 Yeah.

00:48:16.000 Anyway, he mentioned somewhere, though, that, hey, to talk with me, if you give $50,000 to a charity of your choice, then I'll tell you, like, I will take him up on that.

00:48:26.000 So I would love to talk with Andrew Tate on masculinity in a forum like this.

00:48:31.000 Now, I'll donate the 50 grand to a charity of my choice.

00:48:35.000 That's okay.

00:48:36.000 I'll show it all up, but I would love to talk to him about that.

00:48:39.000 I think you'd probably agree on more than you disagree, and then that last stretch.

00:48:43.000 But that last stretch is really pernicious.

00:48:45.000 It's a really big deal, because he is Yeah, we agree on some big pieces of, hey, self-accountability and be strong and tell the truth, and I love all that stuff that he puts out.

00:48:59.000 But if humility is the center, Of morality, you know, and I think that it is, and that's part of being, you know, you can't hold together deep relationships over long periods of time without a measure of humility.

00:49:15.000 You become unsufferable, and he's leading folks to be consummately arrogant and prideful.

00:49:22.000 No one's accusing him of being humble.

00:49:25.000 And I think that is really, really bad.

00:49:27.000 He's serving up a beautiful steak mash, but to have a beautiful meal with a little arsenic in there.

00:49:34.000 And it's deadly.

00:49:35.000 And so I do not want young men emulating all of Tate.

00:49:39.000 There's some pieces there, but you could go other places and get the full thing as well.

00:49:44.000 I like some of the things he says, but holy smokes, that is a dangerous path and it's going to destroy your relationships or destroy the things that matter the most to you.

00:49:55.000 And you'll end up with flashy cars, maybe, and a lot of money, and you're going to die alone and miserable.

00:50:00.000 That's what I think.

00:50:01.000 Right.

00:50:02.000 Because that was going to be my next question.

00:50:03.000 Some young people are at a stage where they think Fame, flashy cars, they think those are things that I want.

00:50:09.000 It's fool's gold. 0.99

00:50:10.000 It's fool's gold. 0.99

00:50:13.000 Whatever celebrity that you can achieve, whatever riches are filled with untold amounts of poverty. 0.98

00:50:21.000 There's something so much better.

00:50:23.000 Andrew Tate will never know the depth Uh, that I've experienced in my joy with my 16-year-old bride and my kids.

00:50:32.000 He'll never get a taste of that.

00:50:34.000 He doesn't have the relational character and the humility to be able to pull it off.

00:50:39.000 He'll never know what he's missing.

00:50:40.000 Or maybe he doesn't have it now.

00:50:42.000 We don't know.

00:50:44.000 I always tell people, we never, and I'm not just talking about, but in general with young people who go like, I say, look, you don't know how this story ends.

00:50:50.000 How many times have you been in the worst spot and then it completely changes?

00:50:54.000 I mean, how many times have you known people who've been diagnosed, you know, terminally ill and it doesn't happen?

00:50:59.000 And it does happen sometimes, but the truth is you don't know how the story ends, so you have to behave and exercise in your day-to-day.

00:51:07.000 Treat it as though it can turn around and you'll still be around for that.

00:51:11.000 And I think, yeah, those are kind of, you can't really live that way if you're looking at riches of the now.

00:51:17.000 Right.

00:51:18.000 And maybe he'll have that humbling experience, but the problem is that I think some of it is also, you know, he has a persona, which has been, you know, which is something that he needs to needs to do.

00:51:26.000 Like there are people out there sometimes where it's, you know, Muhammad Ali was friends with a lot of the guys who would trash talk.

00:51:32.000 Part of it is the entertainment side of it.

00:51:34.000 So you don't know how much of it is a disagreement versus, you know, kind of a path to.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, I mean, when you look at kind of how Andrew lives his life and the things that he has and kind of what he espouses, like, if there is that moment where there's a humbling experience, it's going to cost him a lot more.

00:51:47.000 Because he's gone so far in the direction of what would appear not to be a humble existence or a humble life.

00:51:53.000 Right.

00:51:53.000 And so the fall has to be greater necessarily at those heights.

00:51:56.000 Yeah, and Tate gets to live however he wants.

00:52:00.000 I don't feel the impulse to adjust him or fix him.

00:52:05.000 It's all the young men that are looking For emulation.

00:52:09.000 And I'm like, guys, I get you see some of the strengths in what he's saying, but what you don't realize is there's a bridge out ahead.

00:52:16.000 Right.

00:52:16.000 And if you follow him, you're going to drive over it.

00:52:19.000 He is tempting you with fool's gold. 0.99

00:52:21.000 Right. 0.99

00:52:22.000 So be dangerous.

00:52:23.000 And yes, he's doing some really good stuff out there.

00:52:26.000 So I don't want to take away from that.

00:52:27.000 No, no, I agree with you.

00:52:28.000 And I think a big part of it is it highlights the, to me, it reflects the disservice of the church.

00:52:33.000 That it's done to a lot of young men.

00:52:34.000 Because a lot of young men are not taught, they're taught to suppress their masculine tendencies, period.

00:52:40.000 I mean, people think most pastors are men, but if you look at Board of Elders and influence in the church and the way that they conduct a lot of, even Sunday school, it's not designed, we often complain about public school, if you look at the way that often churches will do Sunday school or daycare, it's still designed for young girls.

00:52:53.000 And I know that a lot of young men who are Christians feel, in a pragmatic level, they'll say, yeah, but Okay, I get half of this message, and then I'm constantly wrong for the way that I am.

00:53:04.000 And so they look out there and say, hey, look, these relationships are broken.

00:53:09.000 The male-female dynamic is broken.

00:53:10.000 And it has not been fixed for a lot of young people.

00:53:12.000 I'm telling you this, I get feedback in the church.

00:53:14.000 They often leave the young Christian singles group feeling more hopeless than they went in.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 And so they gravitate towards... It's not just Andrew.

00:53:22.000 I use him as an example.

00:53:23.000 He's the most sort of notable example.

00:53:25.000 But there are a lot of people out there who discuss this right now.

00:53:27.000 A lot of young men are suffering with feeling like there's no end in sight.

00:53:31.000 And I hope they can find, obviously, some answers.

00:53:31.000 Right.

00:53:34.000 All the answers are in, not to disparage your book, but, you know, the Bible, that book, but this book can help be a guidebook.

00:53:41.000 So, the Warrior Poets say it's not a Christian movement, it's actually a secular one.

00:53:44.000 Right.

00:53:45.000 Everybody's welcome.

00:53:46.000 I happen to be a Christian.

00:53:47.000 I've got some biographical stuff in there as well, so you're gonna hear from me, and I'm gonna say my thing, but a lot of folks in our society, they're not Christian.

00:53:56.000 Some are atheists, or agnostic, or Hindu-Buddhist, or, you know, all kinds at New Age, which is, you know, most everybody.

00:54:05.000 It's like, I don't like the title!

00:54:06.000 I'm like, that's so New Age of you to even say.

00:54:12.000 But I'll definitely plug Bible in the book.

00:54:16.000 It is such a shame that there's a disconnect in what some churches teach and then what really gritty first century Christianity looked like.

00:54:27.000 These men led the greatest revolution Uh, that the world has ever seen.

00:54:34.000 Literally, Jesus had split time in two.

00:54:38.000 2,023 years ago with his birth.

00:54:39.000 And so it's like, holy cow, and they couldn't be bullied.

00:54:42.000 They knew truth.

00:54:43.000 They loved people.

00:54:44.000 They served them.

00:54:45.000 They lived off the land and they're getting scourged and beat with rods and stoned and thrown out of like, do you know the type of character and strength That you've got to have to do.

00:54:57.000 This stuff really happened.

00:54:58.000 This was incredibly strong men in every area.

00:55:03.000 They were bright.

00:55:04.000 They were, you know, gritty and tough.

00:55:07.000 And so, it is a shame that we so poorly emulate that today.

00:55:12.000 Now, I'll also say, as a caveat, that it is true it's easy to find churches with weak-feet pastors.

00:55:21.000 It's unforgivable. 0.97

00:55:22.000 I mean, forgivable, but, you know, it's a terrible They're not exactly accusing Jesus of being the demonic fit, but it's just crappy.

00:55:31.000 It's really, really bad, but I'll also say some of the greatest, strongest men I know occupy pulpits and are vibrant members of the Church.

00:55:38.000 And it may not be that the Church is broke, it's just you've got to find the right one.

00:55:42.000 And there may be this amazing family of faith that's the healthiest, brightest, most creative, strongest people I know are Christians living and breathing in the Church.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, but it's that Christians a lot of times in churches want it to be perfect.

00:55:58.000 In practice, it's messy.

00:56:00.000 Like you said, these are gritty, tough people that are out there in the first century church taking this message to the masses.

00:56:07.000 It wasn't perfect.

00:56:09.000 It was a very messy situation.

00:56:11.000 I think today's church, unfortunately, they have a blind spot.

00:56:14.000 And what I mean by that is, And I understand it, but we have people who will watch our show.

00:56:21.000 We have a lot of pastors who will watch our show and go like, you know, I don't tell people in the congregation, but I tune in and I watch your show.

00:56:25.000 I go, great, you have a Netflix membership?

00:56:27.000 You have to hide that from them?

00:56:29.000 Because we occasionally have, you know, we have people, by the way, on this show who aren't necessarily Christians, and the show, you know, I always say it's a PG-13+, but I'll also have Christians, and Gerald knows this, who will reach out and say, That was the first time I had any idea the books that were in my kid's school.

00:56:44.000 And I go, you mean the porn?

00:56:46.000 And I'm saying this even right now. 0.99

00:56:47.000 You mean the one where there's a picture of the kid jerking off in the picture? 0.96

00:56:51.000 Because your pastor said, there's evil in the world! 1.00

00:56:54.000 Show the picture that your kids are seeing of a young boy masturbating. 0.84

00:56:58.000 There can't be this disconnect of, ah, Netflix, and we kind of have this one portion of the world. 0.85

00:57:02.000 And then when we speak Christian, this is the first time we'll have people who say, we are flawed, we are Christians, but look, this is the world that you are living in.

00:57:07.000 And I always tell people this is not a show meant for kids.

00:57:09.000 It's meant for adults so they can protect.

00:57:12.000 And I always say this, protect and inform their children.

00:57:15.000 But that is a disservice if people are in the church and they're shocked at what we show them that their kids are already reading.

00:57:21.000 And I don't know that today's church is There are some.

00:57:25.000 And that's what I want to speak to.

00:57:26.000 Yes, there are some.

00:57:28.000 But even then, it's like there's general evil and then there's this specific prescription for good, but people aren't really faced with the evil.

00:57:36.000 That's not condoning of it, but people need to know the books their kids are reading.

00:57:40.000 People need to know the drag shows that are taking place in the library.

00:57:42.000 So they go and they see it on Twitter, but it never makes its way into a sermon.

00:57:46.000 Where I think it's, are the kids gone at Sunday school?

00:57:49.000 This is today's Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:57:51.000 That might breed a few more warrior poets, I think.

00:57:53.000 I think you're right.

00:57:54.000 We canceled Netflix the moment Cuties was released.

00:57:58.000 Myself too.

00:57:58.000 Gone forever now!

00:58:00.000 Canceled Disney, I don't know, it was like a grab bag of like eight things that pissed us off.

00:58:05.000 It's Disney, Hulu, and ESPN.

00:58:07.000 Hulu we had, it was like a free whatever thing deal we had, and it was the commercials that came on.

00:58:14.000 Yep.

00:58:14.000 That were so outrageous.

00:58:16.000 Gone!

00:58:17.000 Free?

00:58:17.000 Nope!

00:58:18.000 Too expensive for us for this service.

00:58:20.000 And so we've just been, you know, relaxing.

00:58:24.000 I'm boycotting so many companies, as I'll put my money where my mouth is, was something that was really upsetting to me.

00:58:30.000 We moved, so we live way out in the country without postal delivery and trash pickup.

00:58:36.000 We live out in the sticks.

00:58:38.000 Does Amazon Prime deliver?

00:58:41.000 Um, sometimes.

00:58:42.000 Okay.

00:58:43.000 Sometimes.

00:58:44.000 Depends.

00:58:44.000 Amazon's like, well where is this?

00:58:45.000 Amazon can barely pull this off. 1.00

00:58:47.000 What's the heat index?

00:58:48.000 Amazon can barely pull this off. 1.00

00:58:50.000 But we were going to a church, Roe v. Wade was overturned, and then a few days later, Sunday, and the pastor said nothing.

00:58:59.000 Really?

00:59:00.000 Nothing.

00:59:00.000 Said zero.

00:59:01.000 Did you leave?

00:59:01.000 Yeah, we left.

00:59:02.000 Yeah.

00:59:03.000 We left.

00:59:03.000 I've had an experience like that.

00:59:04.000 And I say this because, by the way, there's a pastor who I love, a guy named Pastor Jerry.

00:59:09.000 Sorry, Pastor Jay, but you are older.

00:59:09.000 Old man.

00:59:09.000 Older man.

00:59:12.000 Older than what?

00:59:13.000 Bald.

00:59:14.000 You know, sorry, Pastor Jay, but you are bald.

00:59:17.000 Would seem demure.

00:59:19.000 And I always say, actually, I gave him this lever action rifle because it was the only thing he could hit the broad side of a barn with because he loved going to the range with me and he, you know, loved watching the old, the rifleman.

00:59:28.000 But this is a guy who in his church, a small area in northern Michigan with 40 people, he didn't care.

00:59:34.000 The overarching sort of, it wasn't a denomination with the umbrella of his church, so I don't want to name it.

00:59:38.000 They were saying, well, you maybe don't want to talk about these things.

00:59:41.000 He said, I don't care.

00:59:42.000 That to me, again, I don't know what the guy can deadlift, probably nothing.

00:59:46.000 That's a man.

00:59:47.000 That's a man who's not afraid to lead by example.

00:59:49.000 That's great.

00:59:49.000 And I would never feel the need to walk out of his church, even if he's remaining silent.

00:59:54.000 I know it's because he's picking his spots.

00:59:56.000 That's right.

00:59:57.000 But I've never left, and that's why I think sometimes people get this misconstrued because, you know, you're a fit guy, you're a young guy, we're having a cigar, but the truth is we're talking about men who serve their communities, lead their communities, and care about them, and are willing to protect them.

01:00:08.000 And I think it's an important message, and I hope there are more guys.

01:00:11.000 We're going to go to Mug Club here in a little bit.

01:00:14.000 I wanted to ask you before we go, And by the way, the book is, it's the Warrior Poet Way or the Warrior Poet's Way?

01:00:20.000 The Warrior Poet Way.

01:00:21.000 Okay, and where can they get the book?

01:00:23.000 Everywhere books are sold, but if you go to thewarriorpoetway.com, that's the landing page for it.

01:00:31.000 Does that mean it's still in the like three remaining Barnes and Nobles?

01:00:35.000 If they're out there?

01:00:36.000 There's four.

01:00:36.000 I don't know.

01:00:38.000 Most bookstores have very few books.

01:00:40.000 It's all like games and Harry Potter craft.

01:00:43.000 And you know, if like, it's just like, I can't find any of the books I like here.

01:00:48.000 It's just, they'll have a few classics, but it's kind of like the well-known classics and nothing else.

01:00:53.000 And then there's these weird categories I don't even know about.

01:00:59.000 Like, you know, Japanese comic book things.

01:01:02.000 There'd be a massive section.

01:01:04.000 And then, like, philosophy.

01:01:06.000 It's like, nothing.

01:01:07.000 It's like LGBTQAIP children's books. 0.97

01:01:10.000 And you're like, you guys got Steinbeck?

01:01:12.000 Anything?

01:01:13.000 No?

01:01:13.000 War and Peace?

01:01:14.000 Art Twain?

01:01:15.000 All right.

01:01:16.000 I guess it's just the comic book sh!t for me.

01:01:19.000 Is it Pistol 3 Class?

01:01:23.000 Uh, that you, that you, uh, teach or take part in?

01:01:25.000 Yeah, so we teach pistol rifle classes around the country.

01:01:28.000 Okay, because I was reading your book, I'm trying to remember the... It's pistol, pistol three is what I thought.

01:01:31.000 Yeah, I know three gun is different, and you talk about an exercise that you do, which, uh, at first glance could seem a little weird, so I'd like for you to explain it to people, because it was interesting to me, um, well explain what it is, where you have people basically... Sure, so we want people to be better protectors, uh, and you're carrying guns, the only way to get good at gunfighting is to gunfight.

01:01:53.000 That's it.

01:01:54.000 So you learn draw, stroke, fundamentals.

01:01:56.000 You do all that jazz.

01:01:57.000 You learn how to shoot and stuff.

01:01:59.000 That's kind of like hitting a heavy bag, but at some point you got to put on spats or you got to put on pads and spar.

01:02:04.000 So you make them shoot each other. 0.97

01:02:05.000 We make them shoot each other. 0.99

01:02:07.000 In not deadly places. 0.99

01:02:08.000 With training munition.

01:02:09.000 Oh, well, see.

01:02:11.000 See the bully again.

01:02:12.000 I was ready for this. 1.00

01:02:12.000 You're like, can I shoot them and then do something? 1.00

01:02:14.000 You're like, all right, don't move until bang. 0.99

01:02:16.000 Oh.

01:02:17.000 And he would cheat.

01:02:18.000 He would put a dummy round in their gun.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:20.000 Ever seen The Crow?

01:02:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:25.000 This went dark.

01:02:25.000 Steven Seagal predicted it.

01:02:26.000 He said it was time to protect.

01:02:28.000 I've seen parts of The Crow.

01:02:30.000 I don't remember it very well.

01:02:31.000 It's okay.

01:02:31.000 Anyway, in Pistol 3, when people are just being introduced into force-on-force engagement, their heart rates up because these little munitions, I mean, it's like getting hit by a wasp.

01:02:42.000 You know, it is not a fun thing.

01:02:45.000 So their heart rates are up and what I do is I want to teach not just the fighting and mechanics and the tactics.

01:02:51.000 I want to do some stress inoculation training, which means the big thing is you got to be able to master that fear.

01:02:57.000 I want you calm as a cucumber when the world is falling apart, right?

01:03:00.000 And so what I'll do is I'll take two dudes. 1.00

01:03:02.000 I'll put you face to face.

01:03:04.000 You'll reach out hands so that you're both touching fingertips and I'll just hold y'all right there.

01:03:09.000 They're just holding fingertip to fingertip.

01:03:11.000 And I just let them wait there for a while.

01:03:13.000 Partially because it's good to let them sit in that horrible moment of anticipation and try to master fear and make a plan.

01:03:21.000 And another part because I'm a terrible human being and I think it's really funny.

01:03:25.000 That's the warrior less the poet.

01:03:28.000 I said I follow Jesus.

01:03:29.000 I didn't say I was anything like him.

01:03:32.000 It's a process.

01:03:34.000 Pistol 3 may change one day.

01:03:35.000 I wouldn't hold your breath.

01:03:36.000 This is what I do.

01:03:38.000 It works wonderfully.

01:03:39.000 And then on my command of fight, do whatever you think is best.

01:03:44.000 And so dudes will go for it. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Disarm, which we've taught them, or they'll break contact and shoot, or they'll just draw and go for it.

01:03:51.000 No Rexquando-isms here.

01:03:53.000 Figure it out.

01:03:54.000 And you see really quickly all the things you thought would work well in your keyboard commando way.

01:04:01.000 Right.

01:04:01.000 And then you're like, that didn't work at all.

01:04:04.000 I'm like, yes, I know.

01:04:05.000 Right.

01:04:05.000 I told you.

01:04:06.000 But I had a 45 and here's a 380.

01:04:08.000 It didn't have a 4.

01:04:09.000 Nope, that's not it.

01:04:10.000 It is not the size of the bullet.

01:04:12.000 It is the placement of the round for sure.

01:04:14.000 Though we would all agree, 22, not the ideal defense round.

01:04:18.000 Though it is the most lethal caliber, I believe, in America.

01:04:21.000 Well, that's because it's very common.

01:04:23.000 It's ubiquitous.

01:04:24.000 But it's also terrible in that a 22 will enter your body and ping-pong around.

01:04:29.000 Oh no, don't do that.

01:04:31.000 It'll tumble, but it won't bounce.

01:04:33.000 We just did it with guns in gear, where we went through and he was like, it'll tumble, but it doesn't bounce around.

01:04:39.000 Right, but some folks will get hit here and it comes out here.

01:04:42.000 No one wants to be shot with anything.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, but it's awful.

01:04:45.000 And so they're treating this and then you have a massive internal hemorrhage that they didn't know about and it was enclosed.

01:04:51.000 And so anyway, people die from 22s.

01:04:53.000 Yes, exactly.

01:04:54.000 Nine millimeter is really the caliber that won.

01:04:56.000 Right.

01:04:57.000 Yeah, that would make sense.

01:04:57.000 That's the one, everyone's carrying nine.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, and there are different choices, but it's one of those things that's like, look, if it's something that's adequate and you can fire it effectively, people get really off on the minutiae.

01:05:06.000 And often I find people who get really off on the minutiae, these are people who aren't really interested in the macro improvements that are necessary, like you're talking about.

01:05:14.000 It's like, if it doesn't start with a four, then you might as well just be carrying a fly swatter.

01:05:19.000 It's like, great, maybe you should lose 200 pounds at 420.

01:05:23.000 It happens all the time, right?

01:05:26.000 It's about being a jack-of-all-trades and at least a master of one, being both a warrior and a poet.

01:05:32.000 We're going to go to Mug Club wherever books are sold, and you can follow, of course, Jon on Twitter, Instagram.

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01:05:47.000 We'll talk about fighting stuff and deadlifts.

01:05:48.000 I have an idea.

01:05:49.000 Oh, you have an idea?

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:50.000 Does it involve you hitting somebody?

01:05:52.000 He doesn't deserve it.

01:05:52.000 It involves you guys.

01:05:54.000 I don't like where it's going.

01:05:55.000 It's going to involve someone else being hurt, not him.

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Louder with Crowder - July 12, 2023

Become a Warrior | Ash Wednesday with John Lovell | Louder with Crowder

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