Louder with Crowder - Black Fatigue is Real and I Told Them Why | Black & White on the Gray Issues

00:00:59.000 Have you guys heard of the term black black fatigue?

00:01:02.000 Yeah.

00:01:02.000 You guys know what you guys know what that means?

00:01:04.000 Since since the last time you came, that's become a thing.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, I was about to say that's just become a recent thing.

00:01:09.000 And do you do you know what it means?

00:01:10.000 I'm not sure what I'm saying. 0.98

00:01:13.000 White people are 12 times as likely to be killed by a black person the other way around. 1.00

00:01:16.000 I'm just gonna shoot you straight. 1.00

00:01:17.000 It's not even f close. 0.94

00:01:18.000 Where?

00:01:19.000 Across the country.

00:01:20.000 Ain't nobody coming after you, you know what I'm saying?

00:01:22.000 Like nobody tripping on you in, but that but these people in is just as scared as the mother folks to do.

00:01:27.000 They are if they get on a bus, not necessarily.

00:01:30.000 That lady, that lady wasn't in danger because that man was black. 0.99

00:01:33.000 That lady was in danger because that man was crazy. 0.99

00:01:35.000 Nope.

00:01:35.000 Whenever we want to ask for equality and fairness, it's a problem.

00:01:38.000 So white America. 0.66

00:01:38.000 So it spends several trillion dollars. 0.66

00:01:40.000 When is it enough?

00:01:41.000 We're the bird.

00:01:42.000 No, no, no, the bird!

00:01:44.000 White America for both. 0.93

00:01:45.000 What would you let the bird just burned down four billion dollars worth of cities and sixty thousand assaults? 0.95

00:01:51.000 Just three times to four times as much homework than the black kid. 1.00

00:01:54.000 And the white kid does two to three Why?

00:01:57.000 Because it's is culturally because conditions So why is it better parenting from Asian than white parents? 0.99

00:02:01.000 Why said what?

00:02:03.000 Why do black why do young black men fight in packs? 1.00

00:02:08.000 So a couple of years ago when I started black and white on the gray issues, I sensed some growing discontent or more of a racial divide in America than I'd experienced in my lifetime, and it seemed to be egged on by legacy media.

00:02:24.000 It it's sad to see a lot of people going along with that.

00:02:27.000 The American people have felt safe in their home.

00:02:30.000 But people who had absolutely no chance of victory.

00:02:38.000 And as that evolved, and for the first time I walked into Stevie J's barber shop, I really was looking to sit down uh and talk with, but mainly listen to real black Americans living the real American black experience to see whether they shared the viewpoint of a lot of the public representatives, the now networkless Joy Reeves of the world. 0.82

00:03:02.000 Or back then the Don Lemons, what they wanted me to believe.

00:03:05.000 I realized CNN and MSNBC was really here.

00:03:08.000 And overall it was a largely warm, productive conversation.

00:03:12.000 I think served its purpose.

00:03:13.000 you can go check out that video to see what it was like.

00:03:16.000 Fast forward to now, and not only have things not really improved, and according to many Americans, they're markedly worse.

00:03:27.000 And if listening is important, I noticed that a lot of white Americans felt pushed to a point that they weren't even fully comfortable expressing.

00:03:38.000 But for the most part, when they did, their communication was pretty restrained.

00:03:43.000 And then it was dialed up to near boiling point with the recent cold-blooded murder of Irina Zarutska.

00:03:52.000 The unthinkable happens.

00:03:54.000 See Brown pull out what officials say was a pocket knife.

00:03:57.000 He unfolds it, then stands up behind Zerutzka.

00:04:01.000 What we aren't showing you is the moment where Brown then stabs Zaruska several times and walks away.

00:04:07.000 And that murder taking place at the hands of a black man who was arrested at least 14 times and released largely in the name of racial justice. 0.88

00:04:18.000 Spread a reaction from white Americans that frankly is unsurprising.

00:04:23.000 And truth be told, for young white Americans, is understandable.

00:04:28.000 And it would be doing America No favors to completely ignore the discontent of young white Americans who, if you listen to them, definitely will make the case that they have been vilified and asked to foot the bill for original sin or crimes that they've never committed.

00:04:45.000 They owe each of us 300K.

00:04:49.000 I don't care how do you get the money?

00:04:50.000 That's not my battle.

00:04:51.000 I just want my money.

00:04:52.000 A debt is owed.

00:04:54.000 You owe it, you owe a debt.

00:04:55.000 You have to pay.

00:04:56.000 And if you marginalize that entire segment, that voice of the country, that will lead to quote unquote radicalization.

00:05:06.000 And if this country wants to avoid that, or at the very least, as we've done in the past, understand that there needs to be a major course correction in the approach to communication.

00:05:18.000 That needs to go both ways.

00:05:21.000 And that's why this time, I didn't visit the barbershop merely to listen, but to communicate a very real set of grievances that could bubble into massive consequences.

00:05:37.000 This one goes a little bit of a different direction compared to last time.

00:05:42.000 This is Black and White on The Gray Issue.

00:05:54.000 And that's Steven right there.

00:05:57.000 Oh, Steven.

00:05:58.000 I met Cedric.

00:05:59.000 I think I scared him.

00:05:59.000 I think he was doing bad.

00:06:02.000 Yeah, man.

00:06:02.000 How are you doing?

00:06:03.000 Good to see you.

00:06:04.000 I need to.

00:06:05.000 You guys all have your your beards nice and right.

00:06:07.000 I just I've never learned how to do this.

00:06:10.000 Because people come here once.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:14.000 Oh, I see what it is.

00:06:15.000 It's a power move.

00:06:16.000 You have me sitting lower.

00:06:19.000 Can I read?

00:06:19.000 Yeah, so we can all look down on you.

00:06:22.000 No, thanks for they said uh you guys got some people coming in here after the last one.

00:06:26.000 Yeah, a couple couple people came came together.

00:06:28.000 They just felt like I think this is the place where uh white and black people have conversations.

00:06:32.000 So it was funny.

00:06:33.000 The first person that came, the first person that came last time was a uh from he said and he said it out at all, he was like, I'm Indian, but he had on a he had on a MAGA hat.

00:06:45.000 And he walked in and was like, hey, uh saw you guys on a crowded.

00:06:49.000 Can I get a cut here?

00:06:50.000 Yeah, I guess so, man.

00:06:52.000 Come on.

00:06:53.000 And did you have your hand on your piece?

00:06:55.000 You're like, I don't know.

00:06:56.000 No, because uh he he didn't come, he didn't come like that.

00:06:59.000 He didn't he didn't have the backpack and the and the and the and the ski mask on.

00:07:03.000 Yeah, he didn't have that on.

00:07:04.000 Was he was he nice?

00:07:05.000 Was he good?

00:07:05.000 Cool.

00:07:06.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 What do you guys think like when you see someone with a MAGA hat?

00:07:09.000 Because I know we were kind of talking about that last time.

00:07:10.000 I put it back to the case.

00:07:12.000 It depends on how to depends on how they present themselves.

00:07:16.000 To me, yeah, for me. 0.99

00:07:18.000 Well, okay, so what would present themselves in a way that would be like decent versus piece of shit. 0.99

00:07:23.000 Yeah, some you know how some people some people carry that uh that that air of superiority. 0.99

00:07:30.000 Yeah.

00:07:31.000 And if you present that to me, I'm very conscious of that.

00:07:35.000 If you present that to me, I'm gonna respond appropriately.

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:38.000 That's just me personally.

00:07:39.000 Well, it'll be like an air of superiority.

00:07:41.000 Like, just like certain things you say in conversation, and you know, and like you said, just in the in the physical nature of these chairs.

00:07:48.000 Well, in conversation, you can physically go up and down and put yourself above or beneath.

00:07:53.000 So when people do that kind of stuff.

00:07:55.000 Yeah, you know, it's funny that you mentioned that because I actually when I do the change of minds and sit with people, I actually kind of slump my shoulders and deliberately kind of make myself smaller, just to not, it's like you know, what is it, the crab that has the red under its claws that's showing danger?

00:08:08.000 So I don't wear red, because apparently that signifies poison.

00:08:11.000 But yeah, no, I there's all these body languages experts now.

00:08:14.000 You watching TV, and I'd like this seems like horse.

00:08:16.000 Like he looks to the left, so you can tell he's lying.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, some of it is a little bit.

00:08:20.000 I saw him on camera, he killed his girlfriend with a butter dish.

00:08:23.000 I don't give a s what he says.

00:08:24.000 He took too long to say that answer.

00:08:26.000 He he had to think about it.

00:08:27.000 No, he thinks about thinking about what he wants to say.

00:08:29.000 Yeah.

00:08:30.000 You don't just speak out.

00:08:31.000 He wants to say last time we talked, we were kind of just, and the reason was just like, you know, often you see in news, people just kind of siphon themselves off right into an echo chamber.

00:08:40.000 And I thought it was good, we were just kind of able to see other perspectives.

00:08:42.000 Where do you think the country is now?

00:08:44.000 Like with that.

00:08:45.000 Like, is that open question or yeah, race relations between, because last time I wanted to get your perspective, and there's a perspective now in the white community.

00:08:54.000 None of us are an ambassador for the entire community, but things have changed quite a bit the last last year and a half.

00:08:58.000 Temperatures have have gone up.

00:09:00.000 But what do you guys think?

00:09:01.000 What do you think we are in the community?

00:09:03.000 I'd like to chime in on that.

00:09:04.000 Yeah, I'm gonna have to you ask that question.

00:09:06.000 Uh There are a lot of social and economic dynamics at play that have certainly gone, in my opinion, in the wrong direction.

00:09:14.000 I don't think that uh people really understand the gravity of where we're headed.

00:09:19.000 We are vastly sliding into an autocratic uh regime here.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:09:25.000 I'll give you several reasons.

00:09:28.000 See, in order to have uh you can't have a one-dimensional approach when you're wanting to continue to lead from a global perspective, all right?

00:09:38.000 What you see here today is an isolationism approach, which has never worked in the past, is because we don't have an understanding of geography and history, all right?

00:09:50.000 And I'll just simply close by saying you you gotta understand something.

00:09:55.000 The rest of the world is grossly infuriated with the way America has taken shape, and not only that, we're ceding all our best opportunities to China, right? 1.00

00:10:06.000 Look around you and the relationships they're fostering with everybody else, which includes Canada, Mexico, and they've even gone as far down into the Latin American corridor, fortifying their bases while we're still hollering that we're the greatest.

00:10:21.000 You're talking about China, like in the Panama Canal, not just the Panama Canal.

00:10:25.000 Let's let's let's pivot from the Panama Canal and let's look at the long-term strategy they have now, where they've just signed an agreement with Mexico to build another canal bypassing the Panama Canal.

00:10:37.000 And when you look at the whole transatlantic corridor where you've got now Brazil and Canada as well as Mexico trade and they stopping in Peru, where China has a huge presence at circumventing completely the nav the navigation, the use that comes with having to use Panama canal.

00:10:57.000 So we'll avoid conflict with America and just simply go around America is what's happening here.

00:11:03.000 Talking about China.

00:11:03.000 Absolutely.

00:11:04.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 No, I mean I want to agree with the first part autocratic.

00:11:07.000 I think China needs to be dealt with, and this is the first time we are. 1.00

00:11:09.000 I'm Canadian.

00:11:10.000 Well, I was raised in Canada. 1.00

00:11:11.000 Canada sucks. 1.00

00:11:12.000 Canada is a dog shit country. 1.00

00:11:14.000 Canada, the kind of sh we're doing it, you can't do this in Canada. 1.00

00:11:17.000 If you say something too offensive or I say something too offensive, you will be jailed in Canada.

00:11:22.000 Yeah.

00:11:22.000 That's the thing.

00:11:23.000 So I'm fine with the US being the best country.

00:11:25.000 I came here from Canada because I mean I had friends who were arrested.

00:11:28.000 I had a friend, stand-up comic was fined for telling a joke.

00:11:31.000 I don't think people realize how good we have it here in this country compared to other countries.

00:11:35.000 But that's the painstaking part about it all is the fact that, you know, I'll I've always been one to say, and I believe this firmly, freedom is not a right, it's a privilege until you wake up the next morning and find out you don't have it anymore.

00:11:48.000 Yeah.

00:11:49.000 It also comes with duties.

00:11:51.000 That's what I was about to say.

00:11:52.000 It also comes with responsibilities because while we while we're free to speak and say what we want.

00:11:57.000 And I I went to Montreal a few months ago, so I I know exactly what you're talking about.

00:12:01.000 Bet you saw a lot of t on signs.

00:12:04.000 That's all it is.

00:12:04.000 No, it's it's just strip clubs.

00:12:06.000 Our Times Square is a giant strip club.

00:12:09.000 It it was a couple of them.

00:12:10.000 Yeah.

00:12:11.000 But uh, like there is responsibility in like everybody's from different places, different backgrounds. 0.99

00:12:18.000 Some of us from from certain backgrounds know like running your mouth too much in a certain space can get your ass whooped. 0.99

00:12:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:24.000 Like, you're free to say what you want, you're just not free from the consequences.

00:12:27.000 Like the consequences that come with you saying the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong person.

00:12:31.000 Yeah.

00:12:33.000 And that's where we all have responsibilities and what we say and when we say it.

00:12:36.000 Yeah.

00:12:37.000 The problem though, too, and that's I was kind of talking more domestically.

00:12:40.000 The problem with that idea is a lot of people are offended by different things. 0.93

00:12:43.000 And so people get their ass whooped for something they didn't say, right? 0.88

00:12:47.000 That's the real thing. 0.97

00:12:48.000 I don't know uh if you guys were following the uh stabbing there on that uh train in Charlotte, Arena Zarutska.

00:12:54.000 Last time I was asking where you guys thought we were, you know, as far as in the country relationship.

00:12:58.000 Like I've you guys heard the term black black fatigue?

00:13:01.000 Yeah.

00:13:01.000 You guys know what you guys know what that means.

00:13:03.000 Since the last time you came, that's become a thing.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, I was about to say that's just become a recent thing.

00:13:08.000 And do you do you know what it means?

00:13:09.000 I'm not sure what we're doing. 0.99

00:13:12.000 Yeah, it's a term that's being used by people uh in the white community, by and large, again, saying they feel like they've been victimized and they're tired of taking that shit. 0.99

00:13:22.000 You know, that was a girl who was dying alone in public, and that was a guy who was let out 14 times. 0.98

00:13:28.000 Fourteen times, including Violent crimes in the name of racial justice, right? 0.72

00:13:33.000 He didn't have to post bail.

00:13:34.000 He didn't have to appear back in court.

00:13:36.000 This is not the first time he's assaulted someone.

00:13:37.000 How do we know that was in the interest of racial justice as opposed to just being a judge said it?

00:13:43.000 A fed up attempt at justice, period.

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 Like the legal system has its flaws.

00:13:47.000 Yeah.

00:13:48.000 And people have been making complaints about that for decades, right?

00:13:52.000 But that's just to me, that's a mental health thing more than it's a black and white thing.

00:13:56.000 Well, I'll tell you why, because um white people are saying it now.

00:13:59.000 Right.

00:13:59.000 Not just white people are saying, hey, we're in.

00:14:02.000 Well, because you know, I'm white people are 12 times as likely to be killed by a black person any other way around. 0.99

00:14:07.000 I'm just gonna shoot you straight. 0.99

00:14:08.000 It's not even close. 0.94

00:14:09.000 Where?

00:14:10.000 Across the country.

00:14:11.000 Where?

00:14:11.000 Like not in the the United States.

00:14:13.000 I mean, we're not talking about Ghana.

00:14:14.000 And and like Yeah.

00:14:16.000 What I'm saying is in white communities or in quote unquote so-called white communities.

00:14:22.000 Across the country, the rate is a black man or person, because most murders men, there are very few female murders, 12 times more likely to kill a white person the other way around. 0.54

00:14:31.000 And then you look at the average amount of times that someone in this country is arrested before they're brought in for killing, charged with murder.

00:14:37.000 Do you know how many times they're at uh arrested on average before they murder?

00:14:41.000 11 times.

00:14:42.000 Once again, the justice system's got his its flaws, and people have been complaining about that for years.

00:14:47.000 We spend more time trying to fix that than trying to complain about the the white versus black of it all. 1.00

00:14:53.000 Well, I I think just like I was trying to listen to all communities last time, I think this is something that's unavoidable.

00:14:59.000 If this community, if enough white people get pissed off, or they're going, look, we're living in New York now, we're getting killed in record numbers, or Detroit, a 12 times the rate.

00:15:07.000 And our system, three strikes in California, right? 0.91

00:15:09.000 That was a three-strike policy.

00:15:10.000 The reason that was changed?

00:15:11.000 It said it was racist.

00:15:13.000 Crime went down in black communities 30%.

00:15:15.000 But now people are looking at their cities going, this is a fing hellscape.

00:15:19.000 And the murder is skyrocketed because people said in the name of racial justice, like three felonies, you're out.

00:15:24.000 Because crime is crime, right?

00:15:25.000 But crime is usually gonna be higher concentrated in areas where there's high poverty.

00:15:30.000 So typically the areas that's high poverty in this country are areas with people with this color skin. 1.00

00:15:36.000 So that's why you're gonna have that.

00:15:37.000 That's why I said those numbers could be skewed and and made to manipulate to look like, oh yeah, that's why I said in the world.

00:15:44.000 Not a 12 times the rate.

00:15:45.000 Not the right in suburban neighborhoods, white people are not in danger. 0.97

00:15:49.000 And that's what that's what this kind of fear mongering tells them is that you're in danger because you're 12 times more likely to get killed by a black person. 0.89

00:15:56.000 You live in fingers ain't nobody coming after you. 0.98

00:15:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:00.000 Like, nobody tripping on you, but that but these people are just as scared as the mother folks that do.

00:16:06.000 They are if they get on a bus.

00:16:07.000 Not necessarily if they get on a couple of. 0.91

00:16:09.000 That lady, that lady wasn't in danger because that man was black. 0.99

00:16:11.000 That lady was in danger because that man was crazy. 0.99

00:16:13.000 Nope. 1.00

00:16:14.000 That man was mentally insane. 0.77

00:16:15.000 He's so but why was he back in the past? 0.93

00:16:18.000 He had his own family members call the hospital to try to get him committed.

00:16:21.000 He told his sister, he killed that woman because he thought she was trying to read his mind.

00:16:24.000 Yep.

00:16:26.000 Why was he let out of them? 0.95

00:16:27.000 And I'm not saying it's because he's black.

00:16:28.000 Yeah, I'm saying people look at it though. 0.99

00:16:30.000 The judge said, She's insane, right? 0.97

00:16:32.000 We agree. 0.90

00:16:32.000 That's not a black and white issue. 0.90

00:16:34.000 He was deemed not fit to stand trial, right?

00:16:36.000 Right.

00:16:36.000 Now the institutionalized.

00:16:38.000 Right.

00:16:38.000 The IOU policy, meaning you don't have to pay bail.

00:16:41.000 You don't even have to stay here until you're actually convicted.

00:16:43.000 You just say you'll come back.

00:16:44.000 Right.

00:16:45.000 Which is which is messed up.

00:16:46.000 Yeah, but that's the right.

00:16:47.000 The judge, Teresa Stokes, black woman, said, well, this is about racial justice.

00:16:50.000 We need to be softer on crime.

00:16:51.000 So that's her reasoning.

00:16:52.000 That's why he was out.

00:16:53.000 And you can find dozens of examples.

00:16:54.000 That's her misguided reasoning. 0.99

00:16:56.000 And that's policy.

00:16:56.000 But they're but that's hysterical.

00:16:58.000 It's not representative of a whole.

00:17:00.000 It's not. 1.00

00:17:00.000 It's not, no, and look, we always have to say, not all, not all, not all, like not all white people wear mug hats and are dumbass pieces of racist sh. 1.00

00:17:07.000 But we have all been accused of racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia. 0.99

00:17:11.000 What I'm saying is black fatigue is white people going, you know what? 0.93

00:17:15.000 I know I'm not racist.

00:17:16.000 And I know that we're dealing with record crime, and I know that I'm more at risk, and they have negative interactions, and they're constantly told that they're not allowed to voice their fing opinion because they're white. 0.81

00:17:25.000 And if those people get pissed off, like that's where we actually could end up with some kind of I'm telling you, I see this brewing.

00:17:30.000 I see people who were milk toast white suburb who are becoming actually racist.

00:17:36.000 Now, not all of them, but I've seen people actually become racist because they get mugged, their store gets looted, and nothing gets done.

00:17:42.000 They're going, and if I say something, it's turned into a racing.

00:17:46.000 I'm telling you what that's where it's coming from.

00:17:47.000 At what point do we have a talk and go like, okay, let's reform justice, but we have to be honest as to why it was reformed in the first place.

00:17:53.000 This guy, it's not even the only one.

00:17:55.000 It's every three days, someone's being offed.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, but at the same time, let's transfer that over to, you know, I mean, there's a lot of unsafe things in this in this world. 0.57

00:18:04.000 Like getting mugged by a black person is not the paramount unsafe thing. 0.99

00:18:08.000 There's school shootings, there is sure road rage, there's all of that shit. 1.00

00:18:12.000 Yep. 1.00

00:18:13.000 And the primary the primary people that that commit a lot of those are people who don't have this skin.

00:18:19.000 No. 0.96

00:18:20.000 So if if by if switch it over, if black people say, Well, we getting fed up and we tired of all these school shootings and all of these road raids and all that.

00:18:29.000 Who do we say something to?

00:18:30.000 Who hears our voice?

00:18:31.000 And when does the white fatigue?

00:18:33.000 And when does the white fatigue kick in? 0.70

00:18:34.000 Well, we've been hearing about white that's the point, right? 1.00

00:18:36.000 We've been hearing about it all our lives about white fatigue, about systemic discrimination.

00:18:39.000 That's the same thing.

00:18:41.000 That's why we've done systemic justice reform that has led to more crime, right?

00:18:44.000 That's the reason for no three strike policy.

00:18:46.000 That's the reason for cashless fail.

00:18:47.000 That's the reason for catching release.

00:18:49.000 The reason for it, in the wake of Black Lives Matter, George Floyd rights, summer of lovers, we're gonna reform crime, we're gonna reform the justice system, and it's gotten worse everywhere it's been, and then when white people leave those neighborhoods, well, now it's white flight. 0.81

00:19:01.000 If they come in, it's gentrification.

00:19:03.000 And I'm telling you, there are a lot of people who are pissed off, and they're not gonna sit down and have this conversation and be real about it, and they're going, well, what happens when someone has to keep their mouth shut about everything?

00:19:11.000 Nobody's that's how they feel.

00:19:14.000 That's how I think that I don't believe white people have to keep their mouth shut.

00:19:17.000 I think white people don't speak up about a lot of the things that they do and they perpetuate that that affects us negatively.

00:19:23.000 That's the stuff that nobody wants to that the issues aren't made about those things.

00:19:28.000 You know, I'm you know, I I really respect the platform that you have because you you do have open and honest conversations.

00:19:35.000 And I have to say that I don't believe that those numbers about the black people murdering white people are correct.

00:19:40.000 I don't believe those numbers are correct. 0.74

00:19:41.000 What if they are?

00:19:42.000 What if I'm not lying to you?

00:19:43.000 If you're not, then I've been misled and I've been uh isolated from from realistic numbers. 0.95

00:19:50.000 But I know in this country, from the time that we got here and until now, there's never been hordes of black people that just go out and maraud and menace white people.

00:19:59.000 Now interactions happen and things do occur. 0.82

00:20:02.000 I'm not saying that they don't, but not by enlarging numbers.

00:20:05.000 We can't be this small a percentage of the overall population and still have the numbers that people try to perpetuate on to us. 0.98

00:20:12.000 See, black people do more harm to other black people than we do to other white people. 1.00

00:20:15.000 Well, that's true. 1.00

00:20:16.000 That's true.

00:20:17.000 You know, but we're close to the people. 0.97

00:20:18.000 And we also have historical evidence of groups of white people attacking and chasing black people. 0.98

00:20:25.000 Coming after. 0.96

00:20:26.000 So when when people say it's not happening now.

00:20:28.000 So what happened?

00:20:28.000 I'm just saying, and that's the point is that a precipice right now.

00:20:30.000 That's a part of the historical condition.

00:20:32.000 Well, sure, but someone today, someone today is.

00:20:34.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:20:35.000 I want to make my goal.

00:20:36.000 I wasn't finished making my point.

00:20:38.000 You know, when the the I've like I said, black fatigue, that's the newest, that's the newest mantra that's been put out into society to make people think that, okay, they tired of black people, they're tired of what you said that we can't say anything about black people, we can't do.

00:20:53.000 Well, when you hold all the power, when you hold all the economic uh rights, when you hold all the uh things that make this country move, when you're in charge of those things, you know what I'm saying?

00:21:04.000 Well, you know what I'll put it like this.

00:21:07.000 Black people, white people got the firecrackers, we got the stem. 0.95

00:21:10.000 That's it. 0.99

00:21:11.000 Y'all got the power.

00:21:12.000 Let me know. 0.99

00:21:13.000 The power is placed outside of the black community. 0.98

00:21:16.000 Can I presume?

00:21:17.000 We're charged with all the negative things.

00:21:19.000 Those are the things that are really generally coincide with how people relate to us. 0.98

00:21:25.000 The bad stuff that that's go wrong with this world, it's the black people's fault. 1.00

00:21:28.000 We the smallest, we the smallest part of this country. 0.98

00:21:31.000 Remember that.

00:21:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:33.000 Besides the immigrants that come here. 1.00

00:21:35.000 We we have we have been uh tasked with the the negative, the the criminal, the the immoral.

00:21:46.000 That's us.

00:21:47.000 And that's what we consider, that's white fatigue, but you know what we do? 0.87

00:21:51.000 We just say that's just how it's always been.

00:21:54.000 So we don't make up words for it or terms for it.

00:21:57.000 So now you have a frustrated group of white constituents that feel like, oh, we can't say anything, we have to do this, we have to do that, so you don't be deemed as that.

00:22:05.000 Well, if you weren't that in the beginning to start with, there will be no need for the for the re for the reform or the uh the the feelings that you have.

00:22:14.000 You can't say anything about because you done treated us like for so long, and people finally stood up and said, hey, you gotta stop treating us like now that you won't feel like you know things aren't going in the manner that you want them, now we want the right to start to keep saying those things.

00:22:28.000 What if your premise is completely flawed?

00:22:30.000 And what I mean by that is if we're trying to understand it, you said you have power in all those institutions.

00:22:35.000 Yes.

00:22:35.000 What if, for example, you have an entire generation of people, young white men, women, who, if they apply to a college or apply to a job, they don't have a grant, there's no Pell Grant, there's no type of subsidy, there's no DEI initiative.

00:22:46.000 As a matter of fact, they're likely to be passed over.

00:22:48.000 They hold no institutional power.

00:22:50.000 And when you say black people haven't done anything, when you think of this white person, a young white person, because I'm seeing some people become radicalized and it can become a problem.

00:22:58.000 And then they see billions of dollars and riots and damages all summer long, and then they go, why is this happening?

00:23:04.000 Black lives matter, right? 0.84

00:23:05.000 So they're gonna make that connection. 1.00

00:23:06.000 Now they have no institutional power, but if they go into a neighborhood that's largely black, they're gonna get the shit kicked out of them. 1.00

00:23:13.000 And they're being blamed for something that supposedly their racist forefather did that they have nothing to do with. 0.99

00:23:18.000 You think we're ever gonna have unit?

00:23:20.000 This is the problem.

00:23:21.000 Unity, if let's say your dad's a d or your grandfather's a d and you walk up and you slap his teenager, you now have made that person hate you for life.

00:23:29.000 And that's what I'm seeing with young, not even my generation.

00:23:31.000 Younger people are going, I had nothing to do with this sh. 0.99

00:23:34.000 They came up during the riots, they've come up under DEI, and they're seeing a 12-time murder rate skyrocketing crime, and any proposals they make, not holding institutional power, shut down his racist.

00:23:45.000 Now, why was D why why was DEI even instituted in the first place?

00:23:49.000 Because for the the majority of time that black people have been in this country and being free, we've been denied so much.

00:23:57.000 Somebody somewhere had to put some things in place to provide access of some kind of.

00:24:02.000 If you believe that, that's fine, but you can't tell that young white kid who had nothing to do with it that it that he should just sit down and take it.

00:24:07.000 Especially when they're gonna kill the 12 times a lot of people. 0.97

00:24:10.000 That's what the that's what America's been telling us for the longest. 0.79

00:24:12.000 The young white man has to do with a lot that has to be.

00:24:15.000 Not in my life, DEI, the young, the young person of this generation that you said that that feels they're misled by the D uh being mistreated by the DEI.

00:24:24.000 I mean she has an example.

00:24:25.000 They hold they don't hold any institutional power.

00:24:27.000 Young white people don't. 0.78

00:24:28.000 They don't have an advantage.

00:24:29.000 Not yet, because they're young white people, they have an advance to where they're middle-aged white people, where the power comes. 0.98

00:24:34.000 See, what black people, once again, when you got a colleges that did denied access to black people, you can't come here. 0.96

00:24:42.000 Something had to be put in place. 0.99

00:24:43.000 Well, look, y'all got to let some black people come in. 0.98

00:24:45.000 Y'all can't just up to the city. 0.97

00:24:46.000 That's happening long before DEI.

00:24:48.000 That's right.

00:24:50.000 All DECO were admitted into college, HPC used to be able to do that.

00:24:54.000 Hold on, let me say what I'm trying to say.

00:24:56.000 My bad.

00:24:57.000 My bad, I'm trying to make it clear.

00:24:58.000 He's trying to do a senior wences and talk through you.

00:25:00.000 So that's what I'm saying.

00:25:00.000 Well, you know, because you try to do that.

00:25:02.000 DEI is just a new way of wrapping affirmative action.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 Affirmative action had to be put in place because there was the access being denied.

00:25:12.000 So somewhere, somebody, the legislation had to be put in place.

00:25:15.000 Well, look, we can't just exclude all of them.

00:25:18.000 So some somewhere, somewhere along the line, they have to be allowed some access.

00:25:22.000 Okay, that was put in place.

00:25:24.000 Now, fast forward till now, those same things that are put in place for those people back in those generations that are still in place, they're not excluding people from uh getting to places that's what they're they're still trying to keep those doors open so that those black people that were coming through that door can still get in.

00:25:42.000 Because if you remove those over time, we will be denied the access of the.

00:25:47.000 If a black person has lower SATs, right, and lower GPA, should he get in over an Asian or a white person? 0.87

00:25:52.000 Let me ask you.

00:25:53.000 If if if the if the if the if all if if all if all things are supposed to be laid out equal, no, you shouldn't get if you don't have it, that's what happens.

00:26:03.000 That's not that it is happening, and I'm telling you, but desert pets, I'm telling you, the majority of what's happening.

00:26:08.000 That's it is happening in a small part.

00:26:09.000 It is happening.

00:26:12.000 DEI has been more beneficial.

00:26:14.000 I'm a look, I'm a form of commercial contractor, all right?

00:26:17.000 DEI and affirmative action have benefited white people vastly more so than black people. 0.62

00:26:22.000 All you gotta do is look at the all you gotta do is look at the business ownership or what have you, and you notice that as long as that white female happens to be 51%, then she qualifies as a minority and a double minority because she's white, she's among the minority and business ownership and she happens to be a female, right?

00:26:39.000 So you look at that based on population dynamics, and that automatically tells you this whole thing about affirmative the whole this whole thing about DEI was number one, not as much targeted to towards blacks as much as it was targeted towards minorities, which includes that LGBTGPT.

00:26:55.000 All right.

00:26:55.000 So when we talk about that, we need to really deal with the real problem.

00:26:59.000 And as it relates to the right, as it relates to the rights, Let me tell you something right now.

00:27:03.000 Listen, in the black community, I'll be the first thing.

00:27:06.000 Now we do have intractable problems that are not going to be solved in one conversation.

00:27:10.000 But what I'm going to say about that as well as the reason why the black community becomes so infuriated, all right, is when you see gross negligence of justice happen or misjustice happening and nobody does anything. 1.00

00:27:22.000 When this guy's when this guy kneeled on this man's neck to George Flaw.

00:27:27.000 Look, if he if he had done something, when he was subdued and on the ground, what was the real reason for kneeling on his neck except to inflict fatal harm?

00:27:36.000 What was it?

00:27:37.000 I can tell you exactly what it was.

00:27:38.000 And I can tell you why you're not recognizing the problem.

00:27:41.000 Because the opinion polls, and I'm not saying right or wrong.

00:27:43.000 The opinion polls have changed on George Floyd since I last spoke with you.

00:27:46.000 You know why?

00:27:47.000 All the body camp footage came out.

00:27:49.000 You know what?

00:27:50.000 You know why?

00:27:50.000 Because he was there for 12, 15 minutes, asked to be put in the car, they put him in the car, asked for air conditioning, gave him air conditioning, asked to be taken out of the car, they took him out of the car.

00:27:58.000 He wouldn't stop moving.

00:27:58.000 People have watched it now and go, you know what?

00:28:00.000 It's not what I thought it was.

00:28:01.000 You know how many times he was arrested before that?

00:28:03.000 Nine.

00:28:03.000 He shouldn't have been free.

00:28:04.000 You know what would have saved him?

00:28:06.000 Three strike policy.

00:28:07.000 He robbed a woman at gunpoint with a child in the house.

00:28:11.000 And so white people look at it, young white people, right?

00:28:13.000 Who you have to understand during COVID, this is a whole generation of people. 0.99

00:28:16.000 White people did not have any fucking opportunities during COVID. 0.99

00:28:19.000 They didn't get to go to the graduation. 1.00

00:28:20.000 College, black, white, all of them, right? 0.99

00:28:22.000 It's a generation that's pissed, rightfully so, they got screwed. 0.99

00:28:25.000 I think we can agree on that. 0.98

00:28:26.000 They're going, I watched my city burn down for a guy who was arrested nine times and committed violent crimes against women.

00:28:33.000 What?

00:28:34.000 Now, you know, let me say that's a travesty of justice.

00:28:36.000 He shouldn't be able to see.

00:28:37.000 Let me say the CS.

00:28:38.000 How many felonies does President Trump have on his record?

00:28:40.000 Yeah, he was still allowed to occupy them, no criminal felonies.

00:28:44.000 He has no criminal felonies, but he's got moral felonies, which would, if there was a court of justice for that, he probably would be tried a long time ago.

00:28:51.000 I mean, let's talk about it. 0.99

00:28:52.000 Is this where we all get on board with crazy white bitches who can accuse man of rape? 1.00

00:28:56.000 She accused 26 men of rape that night. 1.00

00:28:59.000 Here's the reality, though.

00:29:00.000 And when you look at the convergence of this new uh this new agenda where you're going strictly in the blue cities, why is it that most of those blue cities also happen to be occupied?

00:29:08.000 The areas they're going in are heavily occupied by minorities. 0.91

00:29:11.000 Why is that so?

00:29:13.000 Well, because Black people tend to vote Democrat, and they're run by Democrats. 0.91

00:29:16.000 Detroit, you can look at it.

00:29:17.000 You can look at Chicago, is that what you mean?

00:29:18.000 I mean, no, that's not what I'm asking you at all.

00:29:20.000 What I'm asking you is, like I say, with this all-out assault right now.

00:29:23.000 Just last night they were talking about something in Chicago, right?

00:29:26.000 But at one o'clock in the morning, you have people in military gear or have you helicopters and all this kind of stuff like this, not just knocking doors down, but dragging people out by the biggest.

00:29:36.000 Because it's the murder capital of the country. 0.98

00:29:38.000 You just said black people are more harmed by this. 0.99

00:29:39.000 We don't want to take out murderers. 0.98

00:29:41.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:29:42.000 I think you I think really when Trulie was you're confusing what I'm trying to say to you.

00:29:47.000 No, no, what I'm trying to say to you is this though.

00:29:49.000 If we're gonna talk about the problem, let's talk about the problem in his totality.

00:29:52.000 The fact about it is when you talk about white America being pissed, white America is gonna always find a reason that doesn't fit their narrative or what have you. 0.89

00:30:00.000 But why what white America fails to talk about, and what never ceases to amaze me is the fact that the biggest threat is not gonna come from blacks, the biggest threat is coming from within. 0.78

00:30:08.000 You look at the average person that's been committing some of the most heinous crimes over the days, is 22 to 29-year-old white males, right?

00:30:14.000 Look at how look at how they were.

00:30:17.000 That's just not true, man.

00:30:18.000 Violent crime.

00:30:18.000 You just said, like you said, a small percentage of the country, about thirty twelve to thirteen percent, 50 percent of the violent crime, but the murder, a 12 times likelihood.

00:30:26.000 That's excuse.

00:30:26.000 If you just so you don't listen to them?

00:30:28.000 No, I said that that's that particular status skewed.

00:30:31.000 It's not skewed.

00:30:32.000 These are from the FBI DOJ.

00:30:34.000 And you know what else we look at?

00:30:35.000 We look at we look at Roland Fly uh Fryer from Harvard, who conducted it, black guy, black professor, really respectable guy, honorable man, conducted a study, and he came out and he said, Yeah, all of my research says that black men are zero percent more likely to be shot by police officers than whites.

00:30:49.000 Black people got so mad at him, he reconducted the study, a black man from Harvard, and he came to the same conclusion, and now he's not black enough. 0.53

00:30:57.000 Wait, wait, so let me see if I understand you clearly. 0.95

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:00.000 You're saying, according to this guy's statistics, right, that black people are zero percent less likely to be shot by a white police officer, a liberal professor at Harvard, yes, and he conducted it twice.

00:31:15.000 Because black people said what you're saying. 0.94

00:31:16.000 He goes, Look, I was as surprised as you. 0.96

00:31:18.000 I was trying to find how much worse it is.

00:31:20.000 My data showed me it's not.

00:31:22.000 He reconducted the study an entire time.

00:31:24.000 Now he did come to the conclusion that an officer is 18 times more likely to be shot than a black man by an officer.

00:31:30.000 This is a black liberal who studies statistics. 0.62

00:31:33.000 At what point do you listen to him? 0.77

00:31:37.000 And I don't believe in it.

00:31:39.000 And if he comes out and says something of the sort, there's no telling the backlash that he may not get.

00:31:44.000 Listen, there are token blacks in every society. 0.84

00:31:47.000 I mean, all you have to do is look back throughout the city.

00:31:49.000 There we go.

00:31:50.000 Uncle Tom?

00:31:50.000 This guy?

00:31:51.000 Come on.

00:31:51.000 No, but here's my thing.

00:31:52.000 Here's my thing, Steve, right?

00:31:54.000 I'm not I'm not alleging that the guy wasn't Uncle Tom.

00:31:57.000 But let's be frankly honest.

00:31:58.000 How many shootings have happened in most recent history that have been that have involved black men that have been unarmed and you sit here and use that analogy that black men's analogy times?

00:32:09.000 Listen, as a totally blind individual, listen, I'm even apprehensive.

00:32:14.000 That was an incident where the police stopped us, and it was my cousin and I, my cousin is a retired military veteran, what have you, right?

00:32:20.000 And immediately when we got out of the car, out of fear of possibly being shot, the first thing I did was raise my cane and say, Officer, I said, listen, I am totally blind before we get out of hand with this, right?

00:32:35.000 Now, I shouldn't have to have had to react like that.

00:32:38.000 But when you start looking at the what's really happening in this country, many times these deal.

00:32:44.000 I don't care if you put on a uniform, you can't legislate the heart of a man in his intent, all right?

00:32:48.000 And many times these officers do allow that badge to give them impunity to operate and exercise their racism.

00:32:56.000 Let's be honest here, Steve.

00:32:58.000 Some of them some of them do.

00:32:58.000 By the way, I just find it funny that when I came up and shook your hand, you didn't tell me you were blind this whole time.

00:33:04.000 I was like, I must have woke you up.

00:33:05.000 You couldn't have said, dude, I'm fing blind.

00:33:07.000 I was like, I'm bad, I'm sorry.

00:33:08.000 This whole thing, please throw that out there like a fing cluster bomb.

00:33:11.000 I'm like, So you should have waved his thing when you came in. 1.00

00:33:15.000 That's like an asshole in the middle of the room. 1.00

00:33:17.000 That's what I told you when you said, is he sleep behind the glasses? 1.00

00:33:19.000 I was like, no, you just can't see you.

00:33:22.000 I thought you were making a s joke.

00:33:23.000 I said, oh my God, here's this kind of saying a song.

00:33:26.000 That's okay.

00:33:27.000 He forgetting blind sometimes.

00:33:29.000 I had no idea.

00:33:30.000 No, man, but you know, me and the other thing.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, but I do I but you're yeah, I agree you can't legislate what's in a man's heart.

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:35.000 But you can't throw out everything.

00:33:36.000 You can't go that scat skewed.

00:33:38.000 That black guy from Harvard who was always a liberal who did it twice, it's skewed. 0.94

00:33:41.000 You can't throw it out. 0.98

00:33:42.000 How often do you see black police killing unarmed white people? 0.98

00:33:46.000 Never. 0.93

00:33:47.000 Actually, how often do you see that?

00:33:50.000 Very good. 0.94

00:33:51.000 Well, I tell you, actually, the stats show that when you're dealing with armed white people versus black uh armed people, white armed people are more likely to be shot by the cops in black. 0.98

00:34:00.000 White armed people are more armed to kill police officers. 0.99

00:34:03.000 White armed people. 0.99

00:34:05.000 Let's call the stats a wash on that.

00:34:06.000 Here's what I do know.

00:34:07.000 Everyone wanted the body cam footage, and I I agree.

00:34:09.000 I was like, we should have body cam footage, we should have accountability for police officers, right?

00:34:13.000 And we were to believe after the era of remember we went through Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Mike Brown, obviously George Floyd.

00:34:20.000 There were so many that you could use as examples.

00:34:22.000 We thought that we'd have a rash of body cam footage showing us the police brutality.

00:34:27.000 You haven't seen body cam footage of note in the last year.

00:34:30.000 Once that footage came out, it's about a 20 to one ratio where you see someone getting violent with an officer.

00:34:35.000 We have not seen what we were thought we would see.

00:34:36.000 And now people are going, uh, okay, so maybe not the body cam footage.

00:34:40.000 Right?

00:34:40.000 We thought we'd see all the abuse.

00:34:43.000 What about the body cam footage where we see white people and white police and the white person the white citizen is being belligerent with the police, but the police showing extreme restraint in dealing with that person. 0.96

00:34:55.000 Whereas black people will reach for your wallet, bow, you get shot. 1.00

00:34:59.000 I got a phone in my hand. 1.00

00:35:00.000 Bow you get shot. 0.99

00:35:01.000 And that's not that's I'm not doing anything. 1.00

00:35:03.000 Wow, you get shot.

00:35:04.000 The stats don't reflect it. 0.99

00:35:05.000 But white people are being killed in record numbers right now, and they're pissed. 0.98

00:35:08.000 And if you keep just not listening to them, look, like you said, white people in the majority of this country, you have young white people who are getting more and more f mad. 0.99

00:35:14.000 I'm just telling you the truth.

00:35:15.000 What they're mad at, they're mad because this one.

00:35:18.000 Here's why.

00:35:19.000 Here's why. 1.00

00:35:20.000 They go, look, I'm 12 times more likely to be killed by a black person than you are than you are a white person. 0.99

00:35:24.000 And you go, well, that doesn't count. 0.99

00:35:25.000 They go, look, my dad's business got burned down.

00:35:27.000 Wait, my city got burned down.

00:35:30.000 I've been accused of being a racist, even though I'm not. 0.94

00:35:32.000 And I'm looking at this right now, and I'm not allowed to have an opinion, and I can't go into certain neighborhoods because I get my ass kicked, and then you just say, Yeah, yeah, but you've had systemic power. 0.94

00:35:40.000 That is a surefire way to bring racism. 0.94

00:35:43.000 Let's be frank about that, Steve.

00:35:44.000 Now, first of all, here's why I just disagree with you emphatically, right?

00:35:48.000 Number one, when it is historically proven when there are riots, and this is the crazy part, most times we as blacks we tend to riot in our own neighborhood for the same reason why we're not 12 times likely to kill a white person, because of the that fact that the penalty is going to be much harsher, okay? 0.51

00:36:05.000 If black people really were going to, if black people were really the kind of threat and minister white people as we're gonna sit here and say that they are, never mind the stats. 0.52

00:36:14.000 There's no way in the world that most of us will still be here. 0.95

00:36:17.000 Because guess what?

00:36:18.000 You guys would find a way to deal with the problem if it is from a multiplicity of angles, all right?

00:36:24.000 So, like I say, when I'm saying this right now, when they did deal with it.

00:36:27.000 Who controls that narrative, Steve?

00:36:29.000 We did, we did deal with it.

00:36:30.000 You know what we dealt with it in liberals in blue cities?

00:36:32.000 Cashless bail.

00:36:33.000 Cashless bail, catch and release.

00:36:35.000 We did everything that was demanded.

00:36:36.000 Defunded the police in certain neighborhoods.

00:36:38.000 Guess what?

00:36:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:41.000 Well, here's the deal.

00:36:44.000 No, I will say it's true.

00:36:45.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:36:46.000 It's mostly black women. 1.00

00:36:47.000 It's mostly black activist women. 1.00

00:36:50.000 They're not representative black black men. 0.94

00:36:52.000 I get that. 0.99

00:36:53.000 Just like the guy who, just like the guy who killed the lady on the bus that you were talking about earlier, right?

00:36:59.000 He doesn't represent black America and what he did.

00:37:02.000 I mean, listen, here's what he does.

00:37:04.000 Just listen to me here.

00:37:04.000 Here's what he does.

00:37:05.000 Here's what he does to a lot of people.

00:37:07.000 This is what I'm just trying to-cause last time I sat and listened, but I want you to hear something really important.

00:37:11.000 Here's where he does.

00:37:12.000 Young white, that person's parents, that person's relatives, look at it and go, wait a second. 0.60

00:37:18.000 This guy was out 14 times.

00:37:20.000 And the reason he was out 14 times was because a black female judge in the name of restorative justice who has received funding from NGOs said we're gonna have cashless bail and catch and release and the IOU policy in the name of racial justice. 0.99

00:37:34.000 So people are going, my daughter's dead because it would have been racist to keep this guy in jail.

00:37:39.000 You need to understand that, right?

00:37:42.000 But you understand it though, right?

00:37:43.000 Because you just made those same judgments about people who existed 150 years ago.

00:37:46.000 Yeah.

00:37:47.000 This is someone's sister. 0.91

00:37:48.000 Her flawed judgment does not represent the opinion of black people, number one.

00:37:52.000 Okay, it represents a systemic correction.

00:37:56.000 And you know what the problem really is?

00:37:58.000 When you defund when you defund our opportunities to provide adequate psychiatric and uh uh institutionalization for those kind of people, that wouldn't have happened.

00:38:06.000 Because let me tell you something, as a if even as a black person as a judge, if you come before me 11 times with all of the information that you provided me with, you know what?

00:38:15.000 Before I release you, you know what?

00:38:16.000 I'm gonna have you committed to an institution because number one, the greater good is for me to preserve public integrity, and that's on both sides of the spectrum.

00:38:24.000 I don't give a damn if you're black or white. 1.00

00:38:25.000 Why do you think they're not committing him to an institution?

00:38:27.000 Because there's no funding available.

00:38:29.000 No, no, there's no funding.

00:38:30.000 They were shut down in the name of restorative racial justice.

00:38:32.000 And his family.

00:38:33.000 That's why he wasn't institutional.

00:38:34.000 And his family, his family.

00:38:36.000 He should have been in prison.

00:38:37.000 His family pushed against it in certain eye.

00:38:39.000 Like they would, there's certain some of them cases where they were in court, his family was saying, don't put him in there.

00:38:43.000 I know. 0.99

00:38:43.000 And who gives a shit? 0.99

00:38:44.000 I'm just saying that's not that's part of it, but when you only include the part that says the judge, you're not giving the whole story. 0.99

00:38:50.000 And that's what media ends up doing that that creates these tensions in people.

00:38:54.000 They only they they straw man's conversation and only tell part of it.

00:38:59.000 The tension is there.

00:39:00.000 That's what I'm trying to tell you.

00:39:01.000 The tension is already there. 0.99

00:39:02.000 White people are afraid to go in black neighborhoods because black people be afraid to go to school because a white person go come shoot the school. 0.99

00:39:08.000 Right. 0.99

00:39:08.000 Because every time we see. 0.99

00:39:09.000 That's what he's not even.

00:39:11.000 It's not even church.

00:39:12.000 But now you're going to ignore it.

00:39:14.000 I'm scared to go to church. 0.98

00:39:17.000 You're scared to go to church, but you're sitting in the barbershop with almost 12 black men. 1.00

00:39:21.000 Come on, Steve. 0.59

00:39:21.000 Now, let's be realistic. 0.59

00:39:22.000 Who do you think is more at risk sitting down?

00:39:24.000 Exactly.

00:39:24.000 He's not in danger.

00:39:26.000 I don't know arrest.

00:39:27.000 I mean, we don't do that.

00:39:29.000 You know, I just watched my friends.

00:39:31.000 You know I just watched my friend die.

00:39:32.000 Steve, let me say this.

00:39:33.000 No, that I know what I feel bothers me about white people, and this is kind of weird. 0.60

00:39:37.000 Well, no, no, not everyone. 0.97

00:39:41.000 We smell like wet dog or some sh I've heard all this. 0.97

00:39:43.000 No, let me tell you what, let me tell you what part of me about white people. 0.96

00:39:46.000 Let's let's be honest here, because I'm I work with a lot of white people, so I have nothing against them at all.

00:39:50.000 Let me be honest with you.

00:39:52.000 But the problem that I the biggest problem that I have is that you you constantly get bombarded with the excuses, all right?

00:40:00.000 When you really come down to, let's be honest, man, and then let's be really truthful with one another.

00:40:05.000 Ask yourself, what do you expect when you look at architectural oppression, economic depravity, and social disparity?

00:40:14.000 What would you call it?

00:40:15.000 Bad decisions.

00:40:16.000 Huh?

00:40:16.000 Bad decisions.

00:40:17.000 Bad decisions.

00:40:18.000 Yeah, I think right now in 2025, it's bad decisions.

00:40:21.000 I think everyone can make bad decisions.

00:40:22.000 And you know what?

00:40:22.000 I'll go, I'll I'll even go here with you, in all fairness, I think that's absolutely true.

00:40:26.000 So my question for you is how do we move past this?

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 Okay.

00:40:31.000 I agree with you.

00:40:31.000 I agree.

00:40:32.000 Here's, and I think maybe we'll find some common ground here.

00:40:35.000 If we agree there is personal accountability and bad decisions. 0.99

00:40:37.000 And I think we also all agree that feminist white b are the worst demographic in the country, along with lesbians. 1.00

00:40:42.000 There's a great book that says that they were probably saying that. 0.98

00:40:47.000 Like I'm telling you, like I believe me.

00:40:48.000 I'm a let me just clarify.

00:40:51.000 And I mean that. 1.00

00:40:52.000 Angry white feminist bitches and lesbians, because if they didn't vote, we wouldn't have half of the sh. 1.00

00:40:57.000 But this is one thing I appreciate about black men that white men are so bright. 1.00

00:41:00.000 Black men can talk about these things, and black men are okay being masculine. 0.92

00:41:03.000 White men are told it's sexist.

00:41:05.000 There's a lot there.

00:41:06.000 Personal accountability decisions.

00:41:08.000 Now just take that and apply it.

00:41:09.000 What you kind of just did here is you blamed white people without realizing it for systemic discrimination, and that removes autonomy from a white person to be accountable and also rewarded for their good decisions.

00:41:22.000 So if we agree it's bad bad decisions, personal accountability, we'd all be against reparations, and we'd all be against the criminal justice reform.

00:41:28.000 I'm definitely for reparations.

00:41:31.000 See that to me, you said excuse.

00:41:33.000 That sounds like an excuse to me.

00:41:34.000 You didn't pay me back.

00:41:35.000 You ain't paid me for what you owe me.

00:41:37.000 What did I take from you?

00:41:37.000 You can't start another big thing.

00:41:39.000 What did I take until you paid if okay?

00:41:40.000 What did you do?

00:41:41.000 I did from you.

00:41:42.000 You didn't take your ancestors. 0.85

00:41:44.000 But you just said you.

00:41:46.000 Well, when I say you, I meant it as a youth of the response.

00:41:48.000 But can you understand why white people here can get pissed off?

00:41:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:52.000 But they got mad about the advantages that will build into their lives.

00:41:56.000 So you want young people to pay. 0.98

00:41:59.000 Sounds like an excuse.

00:42:01.000 He went up paying us back, even when I'm paying us back, Steve.

00:42:04.000 No, my thoughts are on this here.

00:42:06.000 Give us an opportunity to exercise our ability and our autonomy.

00:42:11.000 I'm gonna give you a perfect example.

00:42:12.000 There's a gal right now, her name is Joy Reed. 1.00

00:42:15.000 Look upon a channel.

00:42:16.000 Oh, I know Joy Reid.

00:42:17.000 She's out of the mind.

00:42:18.000 Look at her educational background. 0.99

00:42:20.000 You don't think Harvard gave her a degree just because she was a black person or DEI, do you? 1.00

00:42:24.000 I think she's an idiot. 1.00

00:42:25.000 Okay, so uh not because she's black, but she's an idiot. 1.00

00:42:28.000 Okay, so I'm you're you're entitled to it. 1.00

00:42:30.000 I think Ben Jones is smart, and I disagree with him.

00:42:32.000 Joy Reed has said things that are so verifiably untrue, it's insane.

00:42:36.000 Okay, so as a man, I'm gonna uh I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna indulge you and say, hey, you know what?

00:42:41.000 I'm not gonna indulge you.

00:42:42.000 I'm gonna respect your opinion, your frame of thought on that, right?

00:42:45.000 I beg to differ tremendously, but nevertheless, though, that does that's why we're having this open discussion.

00:42:50.000 But let's really talk about where we need to go from here on, and that is the fact that black black people have every sense of entitlement as it relates to having reparations. 1.00

00:43:00.000 And I'm gonna tell you why, right?

00:43:02.000 Because nobody has ever been as more loyal to white people despite the treatment than black people have, right? 1.00

00:43:09.000 Nobody, you show me one race.

00:43:11.000 You know what?

00:43:12.000 They make options and opportunities available when other uh ethnicities come here or what have you, that we will never get a chance to have, right? 0.99

00:43:19.000 And then they turn around and tell us, stop asking about reparations.

00:43:24.000 Whenever we want to ask for equality and fairness, it's a problem.

00:43:27.000 So white America. 0.66

00:43:28.000 So it spends several trillion dollars.

00:43:29.000 When is it enough?

00:43:30.000 Wait, spend seven trillion dollars on what's going to spend it on.

00:43:33.000 Okay, let's go back to Lyndon Johnson, model.

00:43:35.000 Linda Johnson, you're talking about the moral property, is that what we're talking about?

00:43:38.000 1965.

00:43:39.000 How was that done?

00:43:40.000 All right, but here's the deal.

00:43:41.000 What about the Department of Education?

00:43:42.000 Here's the deal.

00:43:42.000 So now you're saying the Department of Education, let's go back to the Department of Education.

00:43:46.000 Okay, so take it off.

00:43:47.000 Hold on, Steve.

00:43:48.000 Hold on, no, no, I was I didn't answer your question.

00:43:50.000 All right.

00:43:50.000 The reason that this was given, right, when you're talking about the Great Society program, the reason when you look at the Model Cities program, herbal urban planning, eight billion dollars into Detroit, adjusted for inflation.

00:43:58.000 The reason that, and I don't know if you know this, uh, black students in this country get more spending per people than white students.

00:44:03.000 I don't know if you know that, that's an actual fact, even in impoverished neighborhoods through public funding.

00:44:06.000 These were the reparations that were asked of white people throughout each decade, given, and then we're told, no, no, that's not the real one.

00:44:12.000 They were given, whether you'd like them or not, whether you think they work or not. 0.87

00:44:15.000 And by the way, I think they're dog sh.

00:44:17.000 I think we should completely suspend the Federal Department of Education.

00:44:20.000 I think the Texas state could do a much better job, but those were done in the name of racial reparations because they were demanded.

00:44:27.000 And now it's not enough.

00:44:28.000 You say that, Steve, listen.

00:44:32.000 I agree with you.

00:44:33.000 Because it's so why would they do that?

00:44:34.000 It's not because it's not just because it was done in the name of racial justice that it was done incorrectly.

00:44:39.000 The reason for it.

00:44:40.000 I'm saying that's the reason for it, but along what along the way of trying to achieve racial justice, you just did it wrong. 0.83

00:44:46.000 But let me ask you, that's my point.

00:44:47.000 You said that's the same.

00:44:48.000 People did it the way we were.

00:44:49.000 Your approach was wrong.

00:44:50.000 So now you make some 20-year-old kid pay?

00:44:52.000 No, but you came up and said something that's just a good idea.

00:44:55.000 You said that you said that you're against the Department of Education, right?

00:44:58.000 Let me tell you.

00:44:59.000 Federal Department.

00:45:00.000 Yeah, Federal Department of Education.

00:45:01.000 Let me tell you something that has come up in a lot of circles that I'm always talking about as a person with a disability.

00:45:07.000 The Department of Education does a lot more in terms of even with the enforcement of Section 504, right?

00:45:12.000 504 says that you must have accommodation for individuals with disabilities, right?

00:45:17.000 Perfect example of when you walked in, when you walked in, or someone just walked in.

00:45:20.000 Did you hear what that thing said?

00:45:21.000 Right, left.

00:45:22.000 Go down to Austin.

00:45:23.000 Let me tell you something.

00:45:23.000 When you suspend the Department of Education, you're also telling the remaining 36 million people in this country who have disabilities.

00:45:29.000 You know what? 0.94

00:45:29.000 Screw you, figure it out. 0.94

00:45:31.000 We don't have to do anything, okay? 0.99

00:45:32.000 And this is another reason going back to what we said with the black America. 0.99

00:45:36.000 If you don't have certain mechanisms in place to ensure that there is a fair and level playing field, right?

00:45:42.000 Guess what?

00:45:43.000 The cut the controlling party that's in power or what have you are not gonna say, hey, wait a minute, let's look at this other disenfranchised segment of the community or what have you, and see how can we propose the colour.

00:45:54.000 I'll just use you of that notice.

00:45:56.000 Okay, let me disabuse you of that notion.

00:45:58.000 Go ahead.

00:45:58.000 Over three trillion dollars adjusted for inflation, right?

00:46:00.000 The Department of Education, early 70s.

00:46:02.000 Okay, before that, they were run by states.

00:46:03.000 Over three trillion dollars.

00:46:05.000 What are math scores?

00:46:07.000 What are literacy scores now?

00:46:08.000 In both sides.

00:46:09.000 Depends on what part of the country asking that about.

00:46:11.000 Across the board.

00:46:12.000 Across the board.

00:46:14.000 Go there because we'll tell you why you can't go to the store.

00:46:16.000 I'll answer the question.

00:46:17.000 Let me because then I'll show you an example of something that actually works because we need solutions.

00:46:21.000 They're across the board down.

00:46:22.000 In other words, three trillion dollars test scores are worse.

00:46:25.000 And they're even worse in poor areas where there's more spending.

00:46:28.000 Do you know where black students in New York City actually do really well?

00:46:31.000 White Catholic schools, where they have more students per teacher.

00:46:34.000 On average, 35 plus.

00:46:35.000 In other words, they have fewer teachers.

00:46:37.000 It's done privately.

00:46:38.000 Charter now, charter school school choice is something I support for that means for everyone in this country.

00:46:43.000 Can't do it because it's racist.

00:46:45.000 Let's look at the academia though, okay?

00:46:46.000 That's why you start when you start talking about that, you know, what have you, when you talk about test scores, we can go just south, north versus south, or what have you.

00:46:53.000 Let's look at the quality of education that's in these schools or what have you.

00:46:56.000 Are you gonna tell me that it's a standardized uh academic agenda that's promoted throughout this country?

00:47:00.000 Or is it a fact that some people have a different education level than black?

00:47:04.000 Listen, I work with people who are in the world. 0.73

00:47:05.000 They're bad across the board.

00:47:06.000 I work with people every day that are out in the north that have far excelled in absolute true test.

00:47:12.000 Then we have inverse.

00:47:14.000 Right.

00:47:14.000 There's no good.

00:47:15.000 There's in here.

00:47:16.000 And what I'm saying is, here's something where we can find common.

00:47:19.000 I've proposed this, many people have it. 0.87

00:47:20.000 We go, look, instead of giving money to a school, like you say, some of these schools suck, right?

00:47:24.000 Instead of just putting, let's say the average spending is $15,000 per student.

00:47:27.000 That's a rounded number.

00:47:28.000 It's anywhere from 13 to 50.

00:47:29.000 Okay.

00:47:30.000 If instead of putting that money in the administrative costs at a school, what you do is you say, okay, that's a grant.

00:47:35.000 That's a voucher that attaches to the student, and they can take it to any school they want, so they have to compete.

00:47:40.000 So that kid can now choose where they go to school.

00:47:42.000 Can't do it because it's racist.

00:47:43.000 But racist. 0.95

00:47:45.000 People say black kids would still be stuck in sh schools than white kids. 0.96

00:47:49.000 Why? 0.66

00:47:49.000 Well, see, that comes because they wouldn't be able to transport themselves out of a bad neighborhood. 0.66

00:47:53.000 So right now they're stuck with one school.

00:47:55.000 So so when you break, when you start asking those whys and go down the rabbit hole of why and start asking, okay, well, why would somebody say that?

00:48:02.000 Well, this is why.

00:48:03.000 Well, I'll tell you why they really say it.

00:48:04.000 And the teachers' unions.

00:48:05.000 Because the teachers' unions?

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:48:08.000 In other words, if a black kid right now is in certain communities where they don't have certain resources, it's a lot of kids that I once again.

00:48:14.000 I live in I've lived in I've raised my kids, graduated three kids from I've I've been afforded some things in this community that some people down south don't have.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, right?

00:48:27.000 That's a fact.

00:48:28.000 And and I'm some of these school events, I'm I'm questioning them like, well, how the hell y'all expect us to have jobs and still transport these kids to and from these events all throughout the day.

00:48:38.000 But if them people down there had to do it.

00:48:40.000 So you think what we're doing now is better.

00:48:41.000 Because they ain't got transmission.

00:48:42.000 Have them ain't got transportation. 1.00

00:48:43.000 I think we need to go back to the real truth in the realm.

00:48:45.000 Because it's because that's what I'm saying.

00:48:47.000 Because they're in impoverished areas, and we already know, based on how we see that.

00:48:51.000 So don't fix it.

00:48:51.000 We'll say as long as you're high.

00:48:54.000 Don't say no. 1.00

00:48:55.000 That's horse shit. 1.00

00:48:56.000 There's food there. 1.00

00:48:57.000 You're on a personal smartphone.

00:48:59.000 You can literally order any food that's ever existed on earth to anyone who's cheaper than ever.

00:49:03.000 If you're in an area that already has a lack of resources and you're already low income, how are you gonna order something?

00:49:09.000 Amazon one click.

00:49:10.000 But see, here's the speech.

00:49:12.000 We're talking about 2025.

00:49:14.000 Come on.

00:49:15.000 I think there's a broader problem that we will not discuss.

00:49:17.000 And you know what that is?

00:49:18.000 You've got to go all the way back.

00:49:20.000 This has been an insidious process that's been at work.

00:49:22.000 And the bad part about it is as long as we as white and black America keep fighting among each other, we'll never see the big picture.

00:49:28.000 You go back to 1982 under Charlotte T. If the department of secretary under Ronald Reagan, Department of Education, she wrote a good expose many, many years later called the deliberate dumbing down of America.

00:49:39.000 She kind of patted that after that BF skinarian behavioral modification. 0.97

00:49:43.000 And it ties all into the founder before the Department of Education, which was general education board, where they say, you know what?

00:49:49.000 We don't need more painter, we don't need more artists, or we don't need more poets.

00:49:54.000 We just want good cops in a will that are easily taught that we can mold under our own hand.

00:50:00.000 That mantra still holds true today.

00:50:01.000 So you gotta look at the you gotta look at where we come from.

00:50:04.000 We come from a nation that was industrious and coupled with innovation to now, everybody tends to do things like you say with your smartphone.

00:50:11.000 You know why?

00:50:12.000 Because pictures keep you from looking at things contextually, all right?

00:50:16.000 So when you think about this educational system, you gotta go back to what changed in this educational system and why we're where we are.

00:50:23.000 Because you can't just sit down. 0.94

00:50:24.000 I just said yeah, but you can't just simply say that everybody wants to be dumb, or everybody in the South. 0.99

00:50:28.000 I don't say everybody wants to be dumb. 0.97

00:50:29.000 Okay, well, tell you this too. 0.99

00:50:31.000 Here's another problem why scores are so much more in this country, especially when you talk about black people because money doesn't fix a problem. 1.00

00:50:37.000 It's that's money doesn't fix it.

00:50:38.000 We've thrown money at the problem and it doesn't do solve the problem that's a core root of it and start reforming the real academia, all right?

00:50:47.000 That's where you solve the so you know what you tell people, we're gonna operate in a system of meritocracy. 1.00

00:50:52.000 God damn it, you will eat what you kill. 0.99

00:50:54.000 If you've given you 50,000 to go to school and you decide that you don't want to, or you fail to adhere to what's being presented before you, then shame on you. 1.00

00:51:02.000 I agree.

00:51:02.000 You do away with DEI, you do away with the sexual.

00:51:04.000 What do you want to DEI no?

00:51:06.000 Do it without DEI but make it fair across the point.

00:51:09.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:09.000 I agree.

00:51:10.000 If you're gonna do it from the world, if you're gonna do away with DEI, you gotta make sure that the merits are properly being counted.

00:51:15.000 Because the reason why DEI was invented, reason why affirmative action was invented, is because you'd have two qualified candidates, same qualifications, but one would get in strictly because his name was Johnny and the other one's name was was Jamal.

00:51:28.000 Well, we got we're gonna take Johnny.

00:51:30.000 Because naturally, Johnny's gonna be better at this, but they got the same qualifications.

00:51:34.000 That's why affirmative action was instituted in the first place.

00:51:38.000 DEI can't be a good thing.

00:51:38.000 Now we're here.

00:51:39.000 Shrinking white feminist wanted to claim credit. 1.00

00:51:43.000 That's a snapshot you can present it in. 0.97

00:51:44.000 But I agree with you.

00:51:46.000 I agree.

00:51:46.000 That's a snapshot you can present it in, but I'm just saying, like the reason why.

00:51:51.000 I'm being I'm being flippant, but the truth is people were being black people were being admitted in record numbers if they had the same qualifications before DEI and affirmative action.

00:51:59.000 White shrieking feminist wanted to take credit for something that was already happening because people had become less racist, so they can say, tag my white name on there, DEI. 1.00

00:52:07.000 See what I did for black people? 0.98

00:52:08.000 It's white guilt. 0.89

00:52:09.000 And what I'm trying to tell you is young people who have nothing to do with any of this.

00:52:13.000 Their guilt is running out, and you can't escape the violent murder rate.

00:52:16.000 You can't escape them losing opportunities and being blamed for being racist when they're not.

00:52:21.000 You want those kids to pay reparations? 1.00

00:52:23.000 You're creating a generation of racists.

00:52:24.000 That's what's gonna happen.

00:52:27.000 And then you're gonna have a creating DIY.

00:52:29.000 Then you gotta have said we as a black community, we're not creating a race a generation of racist. 0.80

00:52:39.000 You know who's creating that generation, the racists? 0.94

00:52:42.000 Those older white people are feeding that into their kids. 0.63

00:52:45.000 See, all white people are not racist.

00:52:47.000 I don't believe that.

00:52:48.000 No, of course, but the ones that come from families that have that inherent uh gene or trait in them, they're passing that on.

00:52:55.000 How I look at this, uh, the gentleman, the gentleman, the gentleman that got killed, uh, Charlie.

00:53:01.000 He was killed by a white man, a young white man, right?

00:53:04.000 The uh uh from the generation that you're talking about that's getting fed up. 0.93

00:53:07.000 Well, he was also banging a s. 0.92

00:53:09.000 His dad, his dad had one ideology, he followed another ideology.

00:53:14.000 That's out the same household.

00:53:16.000 He didn't come from nowhere black. 0.96

00:53:17.000 He wasn't hanging around with no bunch of black people. 0.89

00:53:19.000 I know I agree.

00:53:21.000 His daddy put whatever was into him, he either dad either put that into him or his rebellion from his father caused him to think like that.

00:53:29.000 That we're not creating that.

00:53:31.000 Black people are.

00:53:31.000 That is nothing with what I'm saying.

00:53:32.000 If we ever see you ever seen over in Africa, you see an elephant with a bird riding on his back.

00:53:37.000 That elephant ain't worried about that bird, because that bird not stopping him from doing the thing he wants to do.

00:53:43.000 We're the bird.

00:53:44.000 No, we're the bird.

00:53:49.000 Just burned down four billion dollars worth of cities and 60,000 assaults.

00:53:53.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.96

00:53:54.000 And what young white people are.

00:53:57.000 Right.

00:53:57.000 The bird, the bird is half as big as the elephant.

00:54:00.000 You act like it's only blacks that was burning the kids. 0.90

00:54:04.000 No, what I said earlier, and you just want to say is when you have young white person going, okay, why is this happening?

00:54:08.000 And people go, black lives matter, and they go, well hold on a second, I have an opinion on black lives matter. 0.99

00:54:11.000 They go, well, sit down, shut up. 0.99

00:54:13.000 Okay, now silence is violence. 0.83

00:54:14.000 And that kid goes, well, what do I do? 0.69

00:54:16.000 By the way, you're on the hook for reparations, even though his father, his grandfather, his great-great-grandfather didn't own a slave and he's still 12 times more likely to be killed by a black person the other way around. 0.96

00:54:25.000 What I'm saying is society is going to create a generation of racists. 0.78

00:54:29.000 What do you say to that young white kid?

00:54:30.000 What do you say to him?

00:54:31.000 Stop watching, stop stay off of TikTok.

00:54:33.000 Stop reading stabs.

00:54:34.000 Stop paying attention to what these what these talking heads are saying because they're leading you down the wrong path.

00:54:39.000 They're leading you down a path of paranoia and conspiracy theories.

00:54:42.000 What if their interactions with black people in general are quite negative?

00:54:50.000 Well, we're in it now, and we're going to continue next Thursday, October 16th, on the next installment of Black and White on the Gray Issues.

00:54:58.000 Do you realize that you could take all the white people in this country? 0.95

00:55:00.000 And if you're gonna add up to everyone where you could actually trace the lineage to slave owners or had any involvement, you would end up with maybe two or three percent.

00:55:08.000 You shouldn't be getting anything.

00:55:09.000 That's Charlie Kirk shouldn't be shot.

00:55:10.000 So my question is.

00:55:11.000 But how is this what is it?

00:55:12.000 How is this relevant?

00:55:13.000 So here's something that's important, right?

00:55:15.000 Because Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

00:55:17.000 Let's be clear about this, and we're both agreeing, because people believed a lot.

00:55:21.000 Somebody gotta get them tweeted out the ground.

00:55:23.000 Somebody got to do that. 0.90

00:55:24.000 White people are not gonna do that. 0.89

00:55:25.000 Of course you will. 0.97

00:55:26.000 Once again, when the work got hard, that's when they went and got slaves. 0.98

00:55:29.000 Yeah, white dogs know hard work. 0.97

00:55:31.000 Can I ask you something real talk?

00:55:32.000 Why was having real talk?

Louder with Crowder - October 09, 2025

Black Fatigue is Real and I Told Them Why | Black & White on the Gray Issues

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