Louder with Crowder - Bradley Martyn and Vitaly's Hollywood Pedo Bust Goes Wrong! Guests: Alex Rosen | Vivek Ramaswamy

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00:00:21.000 I still love that they have a border, we don't.

00:00:23.000 The IDF confirmed that the missiles were intercepted by a defensive back out of Florida State.

00:00:30.000 Intercepted by the Iron Dome.

00:00:32.000 That was my nickname in high school.

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00:00:56.000 Tonight on Crowder 9-1-1.

00:00:57.000 I don't think Joe Biden knows what he's doing.

00:01:00.000 A physically inappropriate politician.

00:01:02.000 He's at the point where he gropes every person that walks by.

00:01:06.000 Reeks havoc on the lives of his voters.

00:01:09.000 At first I thought it was cool, but then he started kissing my neck and sniffing me.

00:01:18.000 This Joe Biden was clearly out of control, and it was time for someone to do something about it.

00:01:24.000 Quarter person of color Garrett and his co-worker Maddie have been dealing with

00:01:34.000 a politician with no respect for boundaries or personal space.

00:01:38.000 Hey, Corner Black! 0.97

00:01:39.000 What seems to be the problem?

00:01:39.000 Hey.

00:01:41.000 Well, it's Joe Biden here.

00:01:42.000 He won't stop sniffing and kissing people.

00:01:44.000 It's a real problem.

00:01:46.000 I've done everything.

00:01:47.000 I don't know what to do.

00:01:47.000 Okay, see, the first thing you did is right now, you're very tense.

00:01:52.000 You're giving off that energy and you actually encouraged that behavior.

00:01:57.000 I encouraged it?

00:01:58.000 That's right.

00:01:59.000 Oh, what do I do?

00:01:59.000 Okay.

00:02:01.000 The first thing we need you to do Is get your Joe Biden to a calm, relaxed state.

00:02:06.000 And we're gonna do that with no talk, no touch, no eye contact.

00:02:11.000 Okay.

00:02:11.000 Okay?

00:02:12.000 It's okay to drop the leash.

00:02:12.000 That's right.

00:02:12.000 All right.

00:02:14.000 It's okay.

00:02:18.000 It's okay.

00:02:23.000 I see what I did is I do a small correction when Joe Biden goes in to kiss my...

00:02:28.000 See? 0.58

00:02:29.000 I'm stopping the brain from escalating to a state of sexual assault.

00:02:35.000 That's right.

00:02:37.000 I just feel bad for him.

00:02:38.000 I don't think Joe Biden knows what he's doing.

00:02:40.000 My correction is not to hurt Joe Biden, but just to snap the brain out of it.

00:02:47.000 Okay, now you try.

00:02:48.000 It's okay.

00:02:49.000 It's okay.

00:02:51.000 No?

00:02:52.000 Come assertive!

00:02:53.000 Come assertive!

00:02:54.000 Hey! 0.99

00:02:55.000 See this, the corner black, is giving off a tense energy and escalating.

00:02:59.000 He's asking himself, is Joe Biden gonna kiss my neck?

00:03:03.000 Is he gonna make a hair puppet?

00:03:05.000 And Joe Biden is already escalating his energy to match.

00:03:09.000 And he's rubbing shoulders and kissing the faces.

00:03:13.000 Come assertive!

00:03:15.000 Assertive!

00:03:16.000 That's it!

00:03:16.000 That's right!

00:03:17.000 That's right!

00:03:18.000 You are the alpha of the pack!

00:03:21.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey!

00:03:22.000 Yes, that's it.

00:03:23.000 Okay, correction, correction.

00:03:25.000 Correct.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:03:27.000 Because he can only has water when you say he can has water.

00:03:31.000 That's right.

00:03:31.000 Boundaries, consistency.

00:03:33.000 Now I can has water.

00:03:34.000 You can, you can have.

00:03:36.000 Now, this quarter black was doing really good with his Joe Biden. 0.99

00:03:47.000 So it's time to introduce a new challenge. 1.00

00:03:50.000 It's okay to kill Maddie. 0.99

00:03:51.000 It's okay. 1.00

00:03:52.000 Go.

00:03:52.000 It's okay.

00:03:52.000 Coming up on Crowder 911.

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00:04:27.000 stranger Hey,

00:04:50.000 that's called a rush ship rush cut okay great

00:05:04.000 It's a rushed sip because I just found out before going on air that we actually have two guests today.

00:05:09.000 We have the OG pedophile poacher Alex Rosen on the show and we also will have Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:05:14.000 So I'll bring up the rundown but it's not entirely relevant because this will probably veer off course quite quickly.

00:05:21.000 We'll be talking about the interview with Ann Coulter and Vivek, he's Indian.

00:05:26.000 And we will be talking about the predator catching gone wrong with Bradley Martin and Vitale.

00:05:33.000 You know, they did something similar to what Alex Rosen does and catching pedophiles.

00:05:40.000 I'm pro catching pedophiles.

00:05:41.000 My problem is I'm anti doing it for clout in a way that lets them get off scot-free.

00:05:41.000 Yes.

00:05:46.000 Yeah.

00:05:47.000 And so we'll be going through these clips and talking and a really good discussion.

00:05:51.000 I mean, not that I didn't already had a lot of respect for Ann Coulter.

00:05:54.000 And Vivek.

00:05:55.000 Full disclosure, I've spent quite a bit of time with both of them at different periods of my life.

00:06:00.000 But I gained more respect.

00:06:02.000 Or they gained more of my respect.

00:06:03.000 Not that they care.

00:06:04.000 They're not sitting there going, I hope Steven Crowder respects me.

00:06:08.000 I thought it was a good interview, even though they talked about race and a lot of people will say that it was white supremacy.

00:06:14.000 So, let me ask you what you thought of that interview, and, um...

00:06:18.000 At any point during the show, you're watching on YouTube and you see this?

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00:06:43.000 All right.

00:06:44.000 Number two, Captain Morgan, CEO.

00:06:45.000 How are you?

00:06:45.000 I'm doing well.

00:06:46.000 I'm good.

00:06:46.000 How are you?

00:06:47.000 I just want to make sure I get this... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:49.000 Let's just... Road on the show, as it were.

00:06:52.000 No, I did it.

00:06:54.000 Okay.

00:06:54.000 I know what I did.

00:06:55.000 When you hear this, you know him.

00:06:56.000 You love him.

00:06:58.000 He's not the guy who demands you thank him for his service.

00:07:00.000 Okay, it kind of bothers him, but I feel like I have to keep it going because I appreciate his service, but he's modest.

00:07:06.000 So thank him for his service.

00:07:07.000 You can follow him at jfirestein.com and his special American on Mug Club.

00:07:11.000 How are you, sir?

00:07:12.000 I'm good.

00:07:14.000 You can't steal my gratitude.

00:07:16.000 No, I can't.

00:07:17.000 You're right.

00:07:17.000 And I'm grateful for it.

00:07:19.000 And I deserve it.

00:07:22.000 I'm doing good, though.

00:07:23.000 I had a pretty good day yesterday.

00:07:25.000 Am I allowed to... Yeah, so Afro Man, because his flight was... he was late.

00:07:28.000 He was supposed to be on the show.

00:07:30.000 He was late.

00:07:31.000 And so you pre-taped a show with him.

00:07:35.000 Yes, we pre-taped a show.

00:07:36.000 We kept it very sober.

00:07:40.000 And yeah, got some good fashion advice.

00:07:42.000 Got some good rapping advice.

00:07:43.000 Yes, you did.

00:07:44.000 So watch out, rap community.

00:07:46.000 I'm coming.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, he's coming for you.

00:07:49.000 You don't necessarily need to watch your six.

00:07:53.000 Also, funny, because he has a good sense of humor, I don't think he will mind.

00:07:56.000 This actually happened.

00:07:57.000 He was supposed to be on the show yesterday.

00:07:58.000 Afro man.

00:07:59.000 First name Afro, last name man.

00:08:01.000 And he showed up late, and we always ask people who come in there, guests, we want to be good hosts, what is it you would like us to get for you?

00:08:09.000 Fried chicken.

00:08:11.000 So he showed up late, but brought his own fried chicken in addition to the fried chicken that we had prepared for him.

00:08:17.000 Well, his plane was delayed, to be fair.

00:08:18.000 Yeah, that was not his fault.

00:08:19.000 Not his fault at all.

00:08:21.000 To be fair.

00:08:21.000 So I get it.

00:08:22.000 Maybe he thinks, okay, they're on top of it, they're going to have warm chicken for me, flight delayed, now the chicken's probably going to be cold.

00:08:28.000 Ah, that makes sense.

00:08:29.000 So I better grab my own, because I don't want to be rude and have to say, no, I'll give you something else.

00:08:33.000 Right.

00:08:34.000 No, that's true.

00:08:35.000 It doesn't explain the...

00:08:37.000 Watermelon.

00:08:37.000 Just kidding, he did not.

00:08:39.000 He did ask for fruit punch Snapple, though.

00:08:41.000 Yes, that's pretty close.

00:08:44.000 He actually did!

00:08:46.000 You know, that's more of a palate cleanse from the Colt .45.

00:08:46.000 He actually did!

00:08:50.000 That actually happened!

00:08:51.000 It's all true.

00:08:53.000 And you know what?

00:08:54.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:08:55.000 Gerald got to talk with him about faith, and I was not there because, well, I had a Ridley Scott creature growing inside of my stomach, but I think I'm mostly better now.

00:09:05.000 All right!

00:09:06.000 You got it out, right?

00:09:06.000 Let's move on to this.

00:09:07.000 This is the best guerrilla training video since the Taliban with the monkey bars. 0.98

00:09:14.000 Nothing's better than that, come on!

00:09:17.000 Did you see Monkey Bars on Battlefield?

00:09:19.000 Yes, exactly.

00:09:20.000 That was the worst part about the war, I'll tell you that.

00:09:22.000 Was the Monkey Bars?

00:09:23.000 They just put them up like those iron crosses on the beaches of Normandy, like, put up the Monkey Bars, it's an obstacle. 1.00

00:09:28.000 It's a country of mostly Monkey Bars and sand. 1.00

00:09:30.000 And the funny thing is, we Americans are also better at Monkey Bars than the Taliban. 0.82

00:09:35.000 That's so much better!

00:09:37.000 And they do it all day!

00:09:38.000 Send in the CrossFit Brigade!

00:09:40.000 So, these pro-Hamas protesters, of course, have been starting trouble across the country.

00:09:45.000 Thousands of arrests at this point.

00:09:46.000 I believe it was 2,700.

00:09:48.000 Yeah, we have this in the New York Times.

00:09:50.000 2,700 arrests on campus since April 18th.

00:09:53.000 But that's not stopping them because these professional pricks at Emory University were caught by a drone training on how to fight the riot police.

00:10:05.000 I use the term training very loosely.

00:10:07.000 ♪ Was this the band practice?

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:18.000 March!

00:10:19.000 Oh, what happened?

00:10:20.000 You got a break in the formation?

00:10:21.000 Oh, look at him!

00:10:23.000 I half expect him to have, like, one of those parachutes in the school ground.

00:10:26.000 Now kiss. 0.94

00:10:27.000 Is this, like, Red Rover?

00:10:32.000 Pause.

00:10:33.000 Pause.

00:10:33.000 Here's the funny thing about that.

00:10:34.000 If you look from up top, and it will be re- we will see it again reinforced.

00:10:39.000 There clearly was no training before this. 0.99

00:10:41.000 I know it's sort of a trope, like, oh, they're weak and they're silly. 1.00

00:10:44.000 They are. 0.99

00:10:44.000 But it's true. 0.99

00:10:45.000 They don't even take a staggered stance.

00:10:48.000 Meaning, they don't take, it's basic human biology.

00:10:50.000 If you watch any sport that exists, right, boxing, wrestling, football, for crying out loud, sprinters come off the blocks on a staggered stance.

00:10:59.000 Because if you stand completely straight, right, you stand like this, it's saying, please tip me over.

00:11:04.000 All you do Is this, right?

00:11:06.000 It's called a post.

00:11:08.000 Are you familiar with leverage?

00:11:09.000 They don't even do this, so I don't know how they're preparing for an incoming attack. 0.99

00:11:12.000 It's, please let me put myself at such a biomechanical disadvantage that it would be an impossibility for me to do anything other than fall back on my skinny ass. 0.99

00:11:24.000 Keep playing. 0.99

00:11:28.000 Now the feet go back, see, like, oh crap, now watch, watch, watch, watch. 0.53

00:11:32.000 Oh, no, pause!

00:11:33.000 They weren't even crouched before!

00:11:36.000 They were just standing like, oh, what's going on?

00:11:38.000 Oh, no, wait, incoming!

00:11:39.000 You had, this is a drill!

00:11:41.000 You've watched them walking in!

00:11:43.000 And they're just standing there like, oh, wait, maybe I should put my legs in a position where I won't keel over. 1.00

00:11:49.000 I hate to give them any type of training advice, but look, and you should never underestimate your opponent, but you watching, listening right now, Yes, you can kick their ass. 1.00

00:11:58.000 Keep playing. 1.00

00:12:06.000 You can see it!

00:12:09.000 Aren't they supposed to be, um...

00:12:11.000 Are those... are they supposed to be cups?

00:12:13.000 Yeah, yes, I believe so.

00:12:15.000 With no strength or... Right, yeah, no strength, no ability.

00:12:19.000 Also, by the way, in that last one, can you just show that last portion, that last clip, or just freeze-frame it?

00:12:24.000 Typically, if you go... there's a reason, for example, in, like, mixed martial arts or boxing, that they're shirtless, or they put Vaseline on their eyes, because they want to avoid handles, and they want to avoid abrasions getting cut.

00:12:36.000 So, this... can you play it?

00:12:38.000 I don't know if... yeah, keep playing.

00:12:38.000 Right there, right there.

00:12:39.000 So it's, we want to avoid handles, we want to avoid anything that someone could grab and gain leverage, right?

00:12:43.000 It's an unfair advantage.

00:12:44.000 Think of a hockey fight.

00:12:45.000 That young man or woman, I have no idea, says, give me the poncho!

00:12:51.000 I want to be the man with no fighting ability.

00:12:53.000 Just grab it anywhere and pull me away.

00:12:56.000 Before we go to this police riot, can you guys just all line up for your scarves?

00:13:01.000 Everyone put on a scarf real quick.

00:13:02.000 I'm pretty sure that's the same guy from Finnegan's hit the other day.

00:13:05.000 Yes it is!

00:13:06.000 Give me the poncho, of course I have spacers in my ear, and if you could give me the ox nose ring.

00:13:12.000 I want to look like a yak so that they can simply drag me to the ground with one pinky. 0.93

00:13:18.000 I love that these guys are... It's really cute to try and do something like this.

00:13:23.000 It really is.

00:13:25.000 I don't know why I like that so much.

00:13:27.000 How's that song go? 0.97

00:13:27.000 Because it's silly! 0.97

00:13:29.000 Yaggity-yag! 1.00

00:13:30.000 Can't fight back.

00:13:31.000 Can't fight back.

00:13:32.000 I forgot what the original was.

00:13:34.000 Don't talk back.

00:13:35.000 No staggered stance.

00:13:36.000 You guys, look, okay, I'll do it really quick.

00:13:38.000 You guys understand the difference, right?

00:13:39.000 What are you, giving a class here?

00:13:39.000 The point is this.

00:13:41.000 It's just this.

00:13:42.000 If you stand like this.

00:13:43.000 Uh-huh, uh-huh, that's fine.

00:13:44.000 Guaranteed, if you push me, I have to go back.

00:13:47.000 There's nothing that can stop me.

00:13:49.000 This is why you just, look, I know it's crazy, this is witchcraft.

00:13:56.000 They have no concept of remote athletic positioning whatsoever.

00:14:03.000 What did they coach before this?

00:14:05.000 They say you guys stand there and you guys push them with your ponchos.

00:14:08.000 Well, what are the odds that any of those people ever played a sport in their life?

00:14:12.000 Yeah, I don't think that I saw any reports of shortstops or linebackers or boxers at the protest.

00:14:18.000 Exactly!

00:14:19.000 Also, not only that, Steven, like, low man wins at that point, too.

00:14:23.000 Like, so, don't just stand there, WE SHALL OH MY GOD!

00:14:23.000 Yes!

00:14:28.000 Yes! 0.97

00:14:29.000 Just going back on your frickin' back. 0.96

00:14:31.000 Come on. 0.96

00:14:31.000 Oh my gosh. 0.96

00:14:32.000 Imagine if they had to deal with actual civil rights. 1.00

00:14:34.000 Like, you think these bitches would stand up to a fire hose? 1.00

00:14:37.000 No. 1.00

00:14:37.000 An angry German shepherd? 1.00

00:14:39.000 The football team?

00:14:40.000 Somebody just going in there, just destroying them?

00:14:43.000 The pickleball players, for crying out loud.

00:14:45.000 They stand no chance.

00:14:46.000 Tennis team?

00:14:46.000 Steven Seagal stands a better chance of blocking Ong Beck's leg kick with one of his one-knuckle punches to the thigh.

00:14:52.000 Oh, don't get you started.

00:14:53.000 This is how I block a kick. 0.74

00:14:54.000 Oh jeez, here we go.

00:14:57.000 I would love to see an offensive tackle walking by going, hey, do you guys want some pointers?

00:15:03.000 I kind of know how to do this.

00:15:06.000 And they're like, I think we got it, white boy. 0.78

00:15:08.000 Thank you very much.

00:15:09.000 No jocks allowed.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, bro.

00:15:13.000 All right, thought I'd help the cause, but... Okay.

00:15:15.000 Not exactly Greek culture with those folks. 0.98

00:15:17.000 Hey, none of this happens, by the way, we have Vivek on, we have Alex Rosen on, we've partnered with Alex Rosen in the past to catch pedophiles, he does great work.

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00:15:46.000 Anything else?

00:15:47.000 No?

00:15:48.000 Good.

00:15:48.000 Okay.

00:15:49.000 Ann Coulter and Vivek.

00:15:51.000 They sat down and talked.

00:15:53.000 About a lot yesterday, but namely immigration.

00:15:56.000 And of course you're seeing people now discussing how this was racist.

00:16:00.000 Don't care.

00:16:02.000 If you listen to the whole interview, they both make pretty good points.

00:16:05.000 I'm curious as to who you think made the better points, or with whom you think you line up more.

00:16:11.000 Comment below.

00:16:13.000 I think that Ann Coulter did a good job of articulating her points without giving much room for people to simply say that she's a racist.

00:16:20.000 I think that race does, or ethnicity, I should say, matters to a degree, and I think that some of her points were incorrect, and I think that Vivek made some good points, but maybe didn't articulate them As clearly as you would have liked, which is why he'll be on the show in just a short while here, about 15 minutes to clarify that.

00:16:38.000 But that brings us to this week's installment of, it's kind of Eye on India, but it's kind of Flying V. Yeah.

00:16:44.000 Flying V on India! 0.92

00:16:47.000 Flying V! 0.76

00:16:53.000 All right.

00:16:55.000 Well go through the highlights and sometimes I think this is why we make all of our references here publicly available because I noticed a lot of people talking about this interview and then saying well that's not true or is there anywhere I can find that so we tried to aggregate the points that maybe some people found contentious or uh felt as though they needed more research and we will

00:17:12.000 make all those references available to you as we do every day click

00:17:15.000 The link in the description lot of credit.com it started off with coulter telling

00:17:20.000 Uh vivek that she agreed with him, but could never vote for him

00:17:24.000 And this is something and coulter does she'll say something that maybe would offend someone obviously not vivek

00:17:28.000 To then make her point which was quite valid So and thanks for coming on and i'm looking forward to our

00:17:34.000 conversation today Me too.

00:17:37.000 Thanks for having me.

00:17:38.000 That was a fantastic opening monologue.

00:17:40.000 I too am a fan of yours.

00:17:43.000 I'm going to make a point of disagreeing with you so that it will be fun.

00:17:47.000 You are so bright and articulate, and I guess I can call you articulate since you're not an American black. 1.00

00:17:53.000 Can't say that about them.

00:17:55.000 That's derogatory.

00:17:57.000 And that was a great opening segment.

00:17:59.000 Lots of things to talk about there.

00:18:01.000 Oh, and I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact, probably more than most other candidates when you were running for president.

00:18:09.000 But I still would not have voted for you because you're an Indian. 1.00

00:18:15.000 We'll get back to that.

00:18:16.000 Um, and it's directly related to what you were just talking about.

00:18:19.000 You know, the thing about nationalism, you're totally right, it is like, to use the word nationalism, oh, it's Hitler, it's Hitler. 0.93

00:18:25.000 And, you know, Hitler had soup. 0.52

00:18:29.000 That doesn't mean we shouldn't have soup.

00:18:32.000 Okay, so a couple things here.

00:18:34.000 First, I do very much appreciate that Ann Coulter has discovered an early YouTube home studio circa 2009.

00:18:40.000 That's true.

00:18:42.000 A Yeti mic and blue bed sheet.

00:18:43.000 But then she wore blue! 0.99

00:18:45.000 She's gonna blue screen herself out, she'll just be a head! 1.00

00:18:48.000 I also like soup, so.

00:18:52.000 Yes, I too like soup.

00:18:54.000 Hitler's still bad, right? 1.00

00:18:56.000 Yeah, Hitler's still bad. 0.96

00:18:57.000 Don't know if Pol Pot liked soup.

00:18:59.000 I hope that he didn't like soup.

00:19:00.000 Come on, don't ruin it for everybody.

00:19:01.000 It could have been Paul Cauldron.

00:19:05.000 Don't worry, we can edit that out.

00:19:07.000 That's right, we can't.

00:19:08.000 Now it's live.

00:19:11.000 They were kind of arguing, and here's one thing that I think people miss.

00:19:14.000 She was sort of making the case that American values are inherently tied to ethnicity and Vivek believes that American ideals are separate from ethnicity.

00:19:22.000 Both of them are correct in that American ideals here, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, it's not exclusive to any ethnicity, right?

00:19:33.000 It's not mentioned.

00:19:34.000 What Ann Coulter is saying, and she's also correct, is that ethnicity is a very strong indicator as to whether people will understand those ideals.

00:19:46.000 She's not saying it's because of ethnicity, but statistically, it's very difficult to get around the fact that you do see clusters.

00:19:54.000 Right, you do see these vectors on a graph of, okay, these ethnicities or people from these areas of the world tend to reject the American ideals as per the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

00:20:05.000 Does that make sense?

00:20:07.000 She is saying she'll say it in a way that people find incendiary.

00:20:09.000 It's a metric that is important.

00:20:11.000 Yeah.

00:20:12.000 And I think Vivek brought some really good points in to kind of counter some portions of what she was saying, but I think the problem that most people are going to have is that they're going to watch that clip alone.

00:20:20.000 Exactly.

00:20:20.000 And they're not going to go and watch the rest of what I think was a 30-45 minute interview.

00:20:24.000 I can't remember exactly how long it was.

00:20:26.000 And it does do a better job of kind of laying out the point of saying, I'm not going to vote for you because you're Indian. 1.00

00:20:26.000 Right. 1.00

00:20:33.000 Though that sounds bad on its surface.

00:20:34.000 I think it sounds like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, because he's Indian, what are you talking about?

00:20:38.000 Well, it depends on his driving record.

00:20:40.000 That's my opinion.

00:20:41.000 Do you have the stickers or not?

00:20:41.000 And the stickers.

00:20:43.000 Yes.

00:20:44.000 Hop driver.

00:20:44.000 So she uses it as an important metric, I would say.

00:20:46.000 And that's the problem with social media.

00:20:47.000 Look, when we used to do, when I would do videos on YouTube, there was no Instagram or TikTok where someone else would simply rip 10 seconds and make a bunch of money off of it.

00:20:56.000 That's the difference between using these platforms as a tool versus starting off with How do I get attention?

00:21:02.000 How do I get clout?

00:21:03.000 I'm not saying these two are doing that, I'm saying other people who stir this up are doing that, and then you have some viewers who may not understand the context.

00:21:10.000 So let's go to the first point that they discussed to clarify this, and it's centered around the idea that immigrants don't always understand American values.

00:21:17.000 It's true.

00:21:18.000 Lots of our very best immigrants just do not understand the Second Amendment. 1.00

00:21:24.000 They do not get the First Amendment.

00:21:26.000 And you take polls of them, you know, should you have a right to bear arms?

00:21:31.000 Should hate speech be banned?

00:21:34.000 And it's noticeable that large percentages of immigrants and children of immigrants Really don't get that, and I think that is the point of having natural-born citizen only for president, that this is a really delicate thing we have, this freedom to bear arms and there being no such thing as hate speech, and it's just an additional little safeguard.

00:22:03.000 Of course, you would say, well, that's not because of their race or ethnicity.

00:22:05.000 That is true.

00:22:06.000 Statistically, however, it is important to recognize the fact that, for example, Hispanic Republicans, meaning Hispanics here who, of course, legal immigrants, these are the stats we're using, references are available publicly, Hispanic Republicans are three times as likely to support gun control measures compared to non-Hispanic Republicans.

00:22:26.000 And half of immigrants actually view themselves as more global citizens than American citizens.

00:22:32.000 That is a statistical reality.

00:22:33.000 Now there is an exception if you dive into those, often Cuban Americans. 1.00

00:22:36.000 That's the big difference between people fleeing a government that has persecuted them, that they wish they could have fought off, they wish they could have overthrown.

00:22:46.000 So they tend to have a deep respect and revere the First Amendment and a better understanding of the Second Amendment.

00:22:52.000 Now we'll get into some stats on Hispanic Republicans later because some of Ann Coulter's talking points were entirely relevant until the map shift from Donald Trump.

00:23:01.000 And I understand the point that she's making there, but don't the voters get to ask those questions?

00:23:06.000 You could say that about Democrats running today, that they don't agree with the First Amendment as it is written and as it has been in place for the entirety of our existence.

00:23:16.000 They don't agree with the Second Amendment.

00:23:17.000 They don't believe that everybody has the right to a firearm.

00:23:20.000 That should not be a disqualifying thing to run.

00:23:23.000 It should be a disqualifying thing to get elected.

00:23:25.000 Because then everybody gets to make that decision for themselves, no matter who holds the point of view, a 7th generation WASP, or somebody 2nd generation.

00:23:33.000 But the truth is, Hispanic Republicans are three times more likely, and that is because many of them are first- She's not completely right on all of the stuff, but even if she were- She's right on the outcome as far as, look, the problem is a lot of people coming from other countries, particularly, for example, Hispanics, or African migrants, or certainly the Middle East, They've had enough generationally to get this right, and a lot of the time they don't. 0.86

00:23:53.000 Not because of their race, but it is a reality, and a big part of that comes from the fact that they're surrounded by other like-minded people.

00:24:01.000 It's a new thing for them, coming to a new country from another place.

00:24:05.000 It's not only the amendments to the Constitution they misunderstand, it's our culture.

00:24:09.000 Movies, music, which, by the way, to be fair, I recently learned that I get confused by it, too, when I did my last screen test.

00:24:17.000 No, we have one?

00:24:19.000 Yeah, it was I auditioned for the remake of The Village.

00:24:21.000 Okay.

00:24:22.000 Yeah.

00:24:23.000 Hey, sorry I'm late.

00:24:25.000 Is there still time to audition?

00:24:27.000 Sorry, the main roles have all been filled, but still auditioning for people for The Village if you want to try.

00:24:33.000 Oh, The Village people.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, just give me a sec.

00:24:36.000 Is that okay?

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 One sec.

00:24:41.000 I'm one of The Village people.

00:24:41.000 What is this?

00:24:44.000 That is not what we had in mind.

00:24:47.000 Oh, okay.

00:24:48.000 No problem.

00:24:49.000 No, I don't think... I'm all wet.

00:24:49.000 I'll be right back.

00:24:52.000 I mean, I'm all set.

00:24:54.000 What are you supposed to be?

00:24:56.000 What?

00:24:57.000 I'm another one of the village people.

00:24:59.000 No, you're not getting it.

00:25:00.000 You're not supposed... If I send you out again, are you going to come back in a costume?

00:25:05.000 Uh... I guess he's not interested.

00:25:09.000 Let's bring in the next... Hey, hey! 1.00

00:25:12.000 Sorry!

00:25:13.000 Sorry I'm late.

00:25:14.000 The feathers were weighing me down.

00:25:16.000 Get out! 0.98

00:25:17.000 Get the hell out!

00:25:19.000 No more screen tests.

00:25:20.000 Wow.

00:25:21.000 Here's another point that they discussed.

00:25:23.000 Nope, nope, had enough swings at bat.

00:25:26.000 Point number two that they discuss here, and Ann Coulter's making the point that a lot of people who come from authoritarian governments, even if they are legal immigrants, and this is a valid discussion to have.

00:25:35.000 I think we can all agree, illegal immigration, send them back, build a wall, of course. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Then you also have the luxury of selecting, if you are the belle of the ball, which immigrants you want in your country. 0.98

00:25:48.000 I believe that that is a valid discussion to have.

00:25:49.000 And she makes the case that people who come from countries where they have been bossed around by their government and have accepted it, are more easily bossed around here and are more easily swayed by authoritarian arguments, big government arguments, than natural born citizens.

00:26:06.000 It isn't really true that the seventh generation WASPs are voting worse than the immigrants.

00:26:14.000 One of the problems with the immigrants we've been taking in, actually probably any immigrant, but definitely 90% of legal immigrants come from the third world. 1.00

00:26:24.000 True.

00:26:25.000 They're used to authoritarian governments.

00:26:29.000 They block votes.

00:26:31.000 And every four years I have to hear about how, no, I think we're going to take the Hispanic vote this year.

00:26:37.000 I think we're going to get the Asian vote.

00:26:40.000 No, you're not Republicans.

00:26:42.000 Every election is decided by slight movements of the white vote. 0.93

00:26:46.000 Now, the fact that the white vote is that close, yeah, okay, I hate 50% of them, but 0.98

00:26:52.000 they're the ones who, you know, change their mind and look at the different candidates.

00:26:58.000 It's much more easy to boss around people who've come from an authoritarian culture.

00:27:02.000 So that premise, the last phrase, that's true.

00:27:06.000 I can tell you this with Canadian American immigrants.

00:27:08.000 I have friends who are Canadian who are here, and they still don't understand the Second Amendment, and during COVID, they were the most willing participants in the experiment.

00:27:15.000 That is true, and those people, of course, were white.

00:27:18.000 As far as the Hispanic vote, she was correct until recently under Donald Trump. 0.66

00:27:23.000 And let me provide some statistics for you here, because this is, in fact, something that can be quantified.

00:27:28.000 Let's use an example like Arizona.

00:27:29.000 She says it's decided only by these small margins in white American votes.

00:27:35.000 No.

00:27:36.000 That's just not the case anymore.

00:27:38.000 That is factually incorrect.

00:27:39.000 So, for example, in Arizona, the Hispanic voting population is 1.19 million people.

00:27:45.000 Donald Trump lost, President Trump, by 10,000 votes approximately.

00:27:49.000 In Arizona.

00:27:49.000 10,500, give or take.

00:27:50.000 He had 37% of the Hispanic vote.

00:27:56.000 Okay, 37% of the Hispanic vote.

00:27:58.000 Now, in nationwide polling, Donald Trump actually wins a Hispanic vote, but specifically if we go to more specific... in Arizona, and it oscillates, but the lowest that we find is President Trump now getting 46% of the vote.

00:28:11.000 So we had, okay, 10,000 votes decided it, 37% of Hispanics voted for Trump in 2020.

00:28:14.000 it, 37% of Hispanics voted for Trump in 2020. If 46% of the Hispanic vote in Arizona vote for Trump.

00:28:23.000 That's 107,000 more votes than 2020.

00:28:27.000 He lost by 10,000.

00:28:28.000 That nine point swing, 107,000 more votes than Arizona.

00:28:33.000 Wins Arizona.

00:28:33.000 Boom.

00:28:34.000 We've gone through states before.

00:28:36.000 You can do it in Georgia.

00:28:37.000 You can do it in places even like Pennsylvania. 0.79

00:28:39.000 If you look at the margins with the black vote.

00:28:43.000 With all immigrant votes. 1.00

00:28:44.000 What she said was correct. 0.79

00:28:46.000 Until the fundamental shift that has taken place in the last two years.

00:28:50.000 I say that bringing tidings of great joy.

00:28:52.000 Yeah, he's bringing also that when we talked to, we talked about Afro man, we talked to him about this.

00:28:56.000 He's bringing the black community along with him in a very large way, significant way.

00:29:01.000 I would, he's not going to ever win a majority of it, but he doesn't have to.

00:29:05.000 You just make some moves like what you just talked about.

00:29:07.000 There was a 9% change in the Hispanic vote.

00:29:09.000 That was it.

00:29:10.000 You don't have to change it by miles, you just change it a little bit, and Democrats have a very hard time winning elections.

00:29:16.000 Now, that has to happen at the voting booth, so we have to see that.

00:29:19.000 But he's doing a great job there, so I'm not sure why Ann Coulter's not seeing that and also saying, hey, that's great, that's improvement, and just focusing on the white vote.

00:29:27.000 Because that, for me, can get into like, okay, we're just going to get rid of the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the Asian vote, the anybody else vote, let's just focus on white people. 0.96

00:29:34.000 People can very easily attack you there.

00:29:35.000 I think what she's saying, and I think there might have been some miscommunication here, she's saying, and I agree with this, don't pander to minority votes that won't have as big of an impact.

00:29:45.000 For example, remember Michael, what up, Steele?

00:29:47.000 He had his blog, what up, when he was the RNC chairman?

00:29:51.000 He was in some position of authority, and it was a pandering like, hey, yo, dark-skinned kids! 0.58

00:29:51.000 I don't remember what he was. 0.58

00:29:57.000 I'm one of you!

00:29:58.000 What's happening?

00:29:59.000 And they were like, no, absolutely not.

00:30:02.000 The ideals of the Constitution, the ideals of, of course, the Bill of Rights, should apply to, should be, I should say, attractive to everybody.

00:30:11.000 Right.

00:30:12.000 They haven't, they're not always attractive to everybody, depending on the culture from which they're coming right now, if they're first-generation immigrants. 1.00

00:30:19.000 So it's a valid point, don't pander, but you don't want to solely focus on the white vote, because that would simply be to leave many, many, many, many votes on the table.

00:30:29.000 Toolman, I want to, since we'll have Vivek on, I want to go to point number four.

00:30:33.000 I want to use that clip.

00:30:34.000 And we'll use number three because I'd like to discuss that with him.

00:30:37.000 But we'll present it to you right now as key point number three.

00:30:41.000 And this is very interesting because a lot of people didn't know this.

00:30:43.000 We've talked about it here on this program.

00:30:45.000 And by the way, Ann Coulter reiterates the point that not only I've made for years now, but Thomas Sowell made before any of us, to be clear, the founder of the Feast.

00:30:53.000 And he was, if you haven't read it, if you haven't read his articles on this, Or American Rednecks is one of my favorite.

00:31:00.000 Please do consider it.

00:31:01.000 She makes this point that immigration now is very, very different, fundamentally, than it was before we had the modern welfare state.

00:31:10.000 And an interesting tidbit on the Statue of Liberty, fact check true.

00:31:14.000 We have certainly deployed troops and money and aid and pamphlets and Voice of America around the globe, trying to get other countries to adopt this country's ideals.

00:31:30.000 And yet...

00:31:31.000 No other country's really been able to do it.

00:31:34.000 The closest you have is Australia, Canada.

00:31:37.000 They were never going to become us.

00:31:39.000 So there does seem to be some mystery secret sauce by giving these ideals to Anglo-Saxons, or at least a culture that is dominated by Anglo-Saxons.

00:31:50.000 I don't know if that's the clip.

00:31:51.000 I believe it's clip Ellis Liberty that you should have.

00:31:53.000 Okay, here we go.

00:31:54.000 If you came here basically at any point from, I don't know, 1632 up until 1965, if you couldn't make it, you went home or you starved to death.

00:31:54.000 Yes, in there.

00:32:05.000 There was no warm bath of welfare benefits that you would be sunk into.

00:32:10.000 And most people don't know this, but about 30% of the prized Ellis Island immigrants went home.

00:32:16.000 Sixty percent of Southern Italian immigrants went home.

00:32:21.000 So that's how, without having any laws or having to pick this one or that one, we just naturally got the best the world had to offer.

00:32:28.000 We were skimming the cream.

00:32:30.000 You're absolutely right.

00:32:31.000 Yes, these are ideals accessible to anyone.

00:32:34.000 The Statue of Liberty, the genuine purpose of the Statue of Liberty, not what socialist Emma Lazarus slapped on it 50 years later. That poem has nothing to do with why

00:32:45.000 France gave us the Statue of Liberty. It's supposed to be liberty lighting the

00:32:49.000 All of that is correct.

00:32:49.000 world.

00:32:51.000 So the stats, for example, 31% of the Ellis Island immigrants returned to their country of origin.

00:32:56.000 We'll provide those references for you.

00:32:58.000 And yes, the Statue of Liberty was meant to symbolize specifically freedom from slavery.

00:33:02.000 Of course, not for open borders.

00:33:03.000 And for those of you who did not know, yes, it was a socialist named Emma Lazarus who had that poem put on the statue 20 years later after the statue was built.

00:33:13.000 And before I give you some points here to undergird that, I think it's quite important to put this in context.

00:33:19.000 We are now, not at the point where this administration or our government is talking about bringing in the best and brightest or even, you know, a skill-based immigration policy.

00:33:28.000 We have a former Vice President Biden regime wanting to bring in military male-aged Palestinian refugees to this country with nothing to offer.

00:33:39.000 We are so far off the beam.

00:33:41.000 Today, the Statue of Liberty would be completely unrecognizable.

00:33:46.000 Bless America, my home Allah is the greatest

00:34:02.000 But the point is very important.

00:34:05.000 A lot of people don't know this, that immigrants, many of them came from countries where, as Anne Coulter has described, they experienced certainly much more of an authoritative government and they were promised more security.

00:34:15.000 There are plenty of people who will give up their liberty for some false sense of security.

00:34:21.000 Now, those people back then had a choice.

00:34:25.000 Come here to the United States, where you incur all risk, but you have the benefit of freedom, or go back to your country of origin, where you do not have that freedom, but maybe it's a little bit safer.

00:34:35.000 It's the same reason that most people work as employees versus starting a business with their own savings account.

00:34:40.000 You have that choice to make.

00:34:41.000 We have now removed the risk!

00:34:43.000 That's what is so different.

00:34:44.000 We have removed the risk where people are incentivized to come to this country, black, white, yellow, Red, black, yellow, white, they're all precious in his sight.

00:34:52.000 It's a racist song for Jesus, that song.

00:34:54.000 Jesus loves the children.

00:34:55.000 I know, it's just not really.

00:34:57.000 It is.

00:34:58.000 But now people can come to this country with no education, with no skill set, 0.98

00:35:03.000 receive welfare benefits, and they're incentivized to stay.

00:35:06.000 That is a huge difference.

00:35:08.000 And I do believe that we are at the point where immigration policies,

00:35:11.000 just like any other country, should be based on some kind of merit.

00:35:15.000 You want to come here?

00:35:16.000 That's not enough.

00:35:17.000 Everyone wants to come here.

00:35:18.000 And certainly, everyone would want to come here if they can benefit from social

00:35:22.000 safety nets that exist in the United States, to which they are not paying in.

00:35:26.000 Who wouldn't want to come here?

00:35:27.000 Very, very different dynamic than, you want to come here?

00:35:30.000 Okay, fine.

00:35:31.000 You start paying taxes, and you're not eligible for any of these social welfare benefits until an allotted portion of time has taken place, and you have paid in.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, it's like a vesting period.

00:35:41.000 But by the way, it shouldn't be harder to get into Notre Dame than it is to get into the United States.

00:35:46.000 Like, we have screening processes for this.

00:35:48.000 You want the Cream of the Crop students to come in?

00:35:50.000 We have a screening process for that.

00:35:52.000 I wasn't aware, by the way, of how many people left.

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:54.000 How many people went back home and couldn't make it.

00:35:57.000 And tying these things together, I think, was very helpful for me, especially, to say the welfare policies made it to where they didn't have to go back.

00:36:05.000 Right.

00:36:06.000 The people that couldn't hack it just got to stay and live off of everybody else.

00:36:10.000 Right.

00:36:10.000 And that's the thing that really is destroying the country right now.

00:36:12.000 So I know that we have Vivek actually in the chair, so I'll let you guys go back to that.

00:36:16.000 But we'll come back and talk about a few of these points with him.

00:36:18.000 But you're wrong.

00:36:18.000 It's not that way.

00:36:19.000 What did I say?

00:36:21.000 By the way, it should be harder to get into the United States than Notre Dame.

00:36:25.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:36:25.000 It should be equally hard.

00:36:26.000 No, I said it should be harder.

00:36:27.000 It shouldn't be easier to get into the United States than it is to get into Notre Dame.

00:36:30.000 Oh, I thought you were saying that it's too hard to get into the U.S.

00:36:32.000 right now.

00:36:33.000 No, I'm saying that it should be harder.

00:36:34.000 We agree.

00:36:34.000 We shouldn't screen more for a college.

00:36:36.000 I thought you turned into a filthy pinko comic. 0.96

00:36:39.000 No, I wouldn't do that. 0.90

00:36:40.000 No, he wasn't telling you how much of an elite he is because he was able to get in.

00:36:40.000 I was very shocked.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, until he hurt his knee.

00:36:47.000 I got a free education, so it's true.

00:36:48.000 That's true.

00:36:48.000 You did.

00:36:51.000 But you gotta stay educated.

00:36:52.000 Free education along with pondering... What?

00:36:56.000 Along with pondering pain of the dreams that were.

00:36:58.000 But it's okay.

00:37:00.000 You got a degree.

00:37:01.000 Let's have him come in.

00:37:01.000 All right.

00:37:04.000 The Flying V himself, Vivek.

00:37:07.000 Vivek!

00:37:08.000 Vivek, always good to have you.

00:37:14.000 Can you hear me?

00:37:15.000 See me, sir?

00:37:16.000 I can.

00:37:17.000 Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:37:18.000 It's just the usual spelling.

00:37:20.000 I don't care.

00:37:23.000 The reason why... I think it's because I'm Indian.

00:37:25.000 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:37:26.000 That is absolutely right.

00:37:28.000 By the way, I do appreciate, though, that you have a studio where we can see you, and it's not a blue shirt on a blue background where you look like the floating homer head in the Japanese commercials.

00:37:38.000 This looks... It only took me a year of running for president to figure some of these things out.

00:37:41.000 Yes, that's true.

00:37:42.000 Get that at the top of the learnings from the last year.

00:37:45.000 And before we...

00:37:46.000 And before we cover this, look, this interview, of course, has picked up steam.

00:37:51.000 Where's the best place for people to go to the original source and watch it, what you have put out there to the public?

00:37:58.000 Apple, Spotify, YouTube, name it.

00:38:01.000 But those three, wherever you get your podcasts, as they say, go get it.

00:38:04.000 The funny thing is, this was supposed to be the relaunch of a podcast I started during the presidential campaign.

00:38:10.000 And the whole point for me is, and this is a point in the campaign, and this was part of, I took a little bit of a break, now I just relaunched this podcast, is to start to have the kinds of debates, even within the right, That we don't actually have.

00:38:22.000 Intellectual debates.

00:38:23.000 And so, I thought a fun one to start with is, you know, there's the N-word, and you're not supposed to say it.

00:38:29.000 Nationalism is what I'm referring to. 0.57

00:38:31.000 Oh, you caught me.

00:38:32.000 I thought he's not going to say the N-word.

00:38:35.000 Indians don't have a hood pass.

00:38:37.000 Nationalism.

00:38:38.000 An Indian can absolutely say nationalism.

00:38:40.000 Non-white nationalism.

00:38:42.000 Is is, you know, what I've called me, but but I think that was an interesting discussion about what it means to be a nationalist.

00:38:48.000 And so I thought, you know, let's get somebody who has actually thought deeply about this and cultures in the on that list.

00:38:53.000 And so this is the first episode of the relaunch podcast I kind of started during the presidential campaign.

00:38:59.000 And what do you know, she, she starts with Yes, a wake up call a dose of coffee say and but she was honest.

00:39:06.000 Saying she couldn't have voted for me even though she agreed with everything I said, because I'm an Indian, which I thought set up for actually a really interesting conversation that followed.

00:39:14.000 I think it was.

00:39:14.000 I would like to roll one clip.

00:39:16.000 So if, okay, if you can say the N-word, nationalist, I guess that would make members of Congress House Nationalists.

00:39:21.000 So we're burning down that trail here.

00:39:24.000 I want to show this clip because I think...

00:39:29.000 It's a case, but I'm running for president now!

00:39:31.000 I said it!

00:39:32.000 The only thing is, I mean, members of the House, they're actually, they're actually not, actually.

00:39:37.000 Most people are very afraid of you because you're a nationalist, right?

00:39:39.000 So if only we could have gotten there, that might have been, that might have been interesting.

00:39:43.000 No, you're right.

00:39:44.000 You know what?

00:39:44.000 You're right.

00:39:45.000 It's the actual people on the ground out there doing the work who are nationalists, field nationalists.

00:39:50.000 So the point that I wanted to discuss here is, you made a, and I think that I agree with you, I agree with almost everything that you both said.

00:39:57.000 But I'd like to give you the chance to clarify this, because I think that some wires have gotten crossed with people who watch this.

00:40:04.000 When you talked about how the right shouldn't be reactionary, and then let me just kind of take a moment to explain what my perspective is on it, and then give you the floor.

00:40:15.000 So let's run the clip here really quickly.

00:40:17.000 We might have even in what I may call our wing, if I may take that liberty of the future conservative movement, One that is accidentally defined by the threat we're reacting to, rather than affirmatively defined on our own terms, right?

00:40:35.000 Individual, family, nation, and God serving as the alternative vision to race, gender, sexuality, and climate.

00:40:43.000 And I think it's a hard thing to do.

00:40:44.000 My definition of American identity has nothing to do With what that person has to say, it's going to be independent and stand regardless of it.

00:40:53.000 And I just worry, we've had such a candid conversation, and I'll just close in candor, I worry that a little bit of even a deep, thoughtful, philosophically grounded and committed person like your vision of our national identity may itself be in part a projection of a response guided by people who hate this country, who should have nothing to do with defining what a person like you believes it means to be a citizen of this nation.

00:41:16.000 Okay, so really quickly, my perspective here, and we're going to have Alex Rosen on one of the original Predator poachers, which has now unfortunately been copycatted by other people looking for social media clout.

00:41:26.000 I agree with the idea that you shouldn't give more credence, for example, reacting to some crazy blue-haired person who has no influence, right?

00:41:35.000 though it's funny. I think though, this idea of not being reactionary, I don't see conservatism

00:41:41.000 or pushing back as reactionary. I see it as a reaffirming of the Constitution, right, and the

00:41:47.000 Bill of Rights. And I would agree with you, if we didn't have to deal with the fact that these

00:41:53.000 people who are radical leftists, the entire DNC are in positions of power in all of our established

00:41:58.000 institutions. And so sometimes I will see people say, well, why are you being reactionary? Well,

00:42:02.000 Well, no, no, hold on a second.

00:42:03.000 I'm bringing people back to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, which...

00:42:07.000 To which you were reactionary in the 1960s.

00:42:09.000 It was always that.

00:42:10.000 You changed it and now you have states with abortion up until nine months and after birth.

00:42:15.000 So I sometimes have an issue with, or I should say that I'm reticent to go with the premise because then people box you in where one side is only talking about ideas and the other side is shooting arrows at them.

00:42:26.000 Yeah, so I do believe with you, and I think it was the only presidential candidate to actually say this, that we are in the middle of a war in this country.

00:42:35.000 But I think to win a war, you have to both know who you're defeating and what you're fighting for.

00:42:42.000 The conversation, let's just understand who you're talking to here.

00:42:45.000 I mean, I've started businesses to compete head-on with BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard.

00:42:50.000 I wrote the book Woke Inc.

00:42:51.000 before anybody in this country, certainly on the right, had heard the word woke.

00:42:55.000 So I do think it's important.

00:42:56.000 And I say this as a matter of self-reflection, Steve, is that I have been reactionary for much of the last four years.

00:43:02.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with that, so long as it doesn't blind you from actually remembering what you're fighting for.

00:43:10.000 And that came up in the conversation with Ann Coulter, because I think she said something that in her heart of heart, she probably at least a version of her from before wouldn't actually believe in, but for the current environment in this country, which is that she couldn't vote for me because of my ethnic heritage.

00:43:26.000 I think that the thing I challenged her with is to say that, you know what, if we didn't have open border policies in this country, if we had a rational immigration policy like the one you just described, and I agree with you wholeheartedly in that last monologue, if we didn't have self-hatred permeating every institution in this country, from our universities to our capital markets to corporate America, to our media, if we actually had a revival of national pride in this country, if English was the sole national language in this country, if we actually ended birthright citizenship for the people who broke the law to come here illegally to have anchor babies, against that backdrop, I don't think Ann Coulter would tell me to my face.

00:43:58.000 I don't think she would even believe it, that she couldn't vote for me because I was of Indian heritage.

00:44:02.000 And so what that has done, I believe, and I think it's beginning to happen, and I think this is the stuff of how nations end, is that the reactionary impulse takes over.

00:44:12.000 The very thing you're going to fight for in the first place.

00:44:14.000 And I think that's where we actually are.

00:44:16.000 Not because there's some other noble external standard to be measured against, but because we fail to fight for the very thing we cared about getting into this arena for in the first place.

00:44:25.000 I mean, why the heck would I run for president?

00:44:25.000 Right.

00:44:26.000 Why are you doing what you're doing?

00:44:27.000 Why am I doing?

00:44:29.000 Why on earth am I starting a podcast right now?

00:44:30.000 I don't need to make more money.

00:44:31.000 I don't need a business.

00:44:32.000 But I'm doing it because I think we need to have certain conversations, especially on the right, Yeah.

00:44:39.000 That we're not having.

00:44:40.000 And one of those conversations, and I think it's relevant this year in particular, I think the reason we didn't have a red wave in 2022 is not because of abortion.

00:44:49.000 It's not because of Donald Trump.

00:44:50.000 It's because Republicans fell into this trap, criticizing the radical Biden agenda.

00:44:55.000 And I've done that.

00:44:56.000 You've done that.

00:44:57.000 But it gets stale after a while, really.

00:44:59.000 I mean, Biden gives us an endless list of things to criticize.

00:45:03.000 We did not have an alternative vision that we actually stand for.

00:45:05.000 I'm not talking about metaphysics and philosophy.

00:45:08.000 I'm talking about actual affirmative policies that we stand for.

00:45:12.000 Standing for merit, standing for free speech, standing for the rule of law, standing for actually making sure that people, bureaucrats we never elected, aren't the ones running government.

00:45:21.000 Those are things to stand for.

00:45:21.000 That's a vision.

00:45:24.000 But sitting around criticizing the radical Biden agenda or the progressives, on their own terms is fine. It's important. It's necessary.

00:45:32.000 But we can't do it at the expense of forgetting what we're

00:45:35.000 fighting for. And I think that's the mistake that and may have made

00:45:37.000 the respect a lot of what she said. Sure. I think she's a thoughtful person. I think that that's may have clouded her

00:45:43.000 own judgment, which is what I sort of called her out in the

00:45:45.000 little exchange that we had in my mind.

00:45:47.000 And I agree with you on that.

00:45:48.000 I mean, we're about to have Alex Rosen on, you know, I don't know if you saw this, Bradley Martin and Vitaly, they did this thing where they tried to confront a pedophile, right?

00:45:55.000 And the problem is, they did it in a way where it may let this pedophile off scot-free, whereas Alex Rosen, who we've worked with, has put hundreds of them behind bars by doing his due diligence.

00:46:04.000 And the different approach And I will sort of personalize this, for example, you know, I was just a comedian and actor, uh, until YouTuber I had, uh, for example, very familiar, the blue bed sheet behind me back in 2008, 2009, where I would hear my friends saying, assault weapons, assault weapons, assault weapons.

00:46:19.000 And I thought, wait a second, they don't even know what that means.

00:46:22.000 So I can use these tools at my disposal now, social media, YouTube was new, to do a top five myths about the assault weapons ban.

00:46:29.000 Use the tool to shine, to draw attention Yeah.

00:46:32.000 to an important issue, versus right now, someone just going, look, slow-mo shot on a gun range by a woman with large 1.00

00:46:38.000 breasts. It's like, well, if your only goal is clout and attention, this is no longer a tool. The end game is 0.94

00:46:44.000 attention. The end game is controversy as opposed to using it as a tool. But I do think it's very necessary to cut

00:46:50.000 through. In other words, if there was no reaction at all, I mean, we were just watching CNN all day for the last

00:46:57.000 several days. It's been about the political persecution of Donald

00:47:00.000 and these sham trials, but then taking it to like what you said, concrete policies.

00:47:04.000 I really like what you just said about a national language, because I'm going to pull a coulter here a little bit.

00:47:11.000 I think you would agree with me, because you both mentioned that people from different countries tend to, I use the term ghettoize, create these enclaves where they don't... And I will tell you, in Texas, that has happened with a lot of Indian immigrants. 1.00

00:47:23.000 Now, I don't mean as far as crime, I don't mean as far as not paying taxes, but as far as Many not speaking English, and whole neighborhoods where it is entirely Indian, including Indian markets, where you will go as an American and say, this doesn't feel like the United States of America anymore. 0.84

00:47:40.000 Have you noticed that with this wave of, obviously, a record number of Indian immigrants to the United States for tech jobs?

00:47:45.000 And is solving that a national language?

00:47:49.000 Like you said, English, starting with, you're like everybody else.

00:47:51.000 You have to get in line and you have to follow here.

00:47:54.000 Yeah, I mean, I think most of the peers who I'm next to, and this is just not a deflection of what you said, it's just true, is I feel like most people I'm surrounded by don't know how to speak English either.

00:48:02.000 I think a lot of immigrants don't know how to speak English. 1.00

00:48:05.000 And I think that as somebody who tries to speak the language that was bequeathed to us, it's a deeper point.

00:48:12.000 I'm not just offering that as a quip.

00:48:14.000 No, it's true.

00:48:14.000 I think a lot of what we, you have a lot of self-hatred of this country from immigrants who travel to this country, who then are critical of this country, who then actually are taking advantage of this country, well, without actually pledging allegiance to the flag.

00:48:25.000 And then you got sixth and seventh generation of, you know, some girl who, of a kid, of a guy who grew up in the Upper East Side, now moves to Brooklyn, thinks she's a hippie, and shows up at a Hamas protest and says the same thing.

00:48:35.000 So I think that that is a deeper issue in our country, where if we're just playing whack-a-mole, Look, no one's more hardline on illegal mass migration than me, and no one's more hardline in believing that the sole purpose of immigration policy in the United States needs to be to advance the interests of U.S.

00:48:49.000 citizens who are already here.

00:48:51.000 I hate reciting standard talking points.

00:48:51.000 Right?

00:48:53.000 They bore me.

00:48:54.000 But here's a fun one that nobody, I don't think, has cited, but it's a fact.

00:48:59.000 12% of the nation of Sierra Leone.

00:49:01.000 12%.

00:49:01.000 A country of 8 million people, talking about 950,000 people, have applied for a green card.

00:49:06.000 So this isn't just the illegal migration issue, it's the source of magnitude of demand of, if we did have open borders, this is what's going to become of our country.

00:49:14.000 But Steve, I think the thing that bothers me is why the hell am I the only person in the Republican Party who has the guts to say English should be our national language?

00:49:21.000 Why am I the only person who can actually offer legal argument for why we should be able to end birthright citizenship without a constitutional amendment?

00:49:21.000 I know.

00:49:29.000 And so the irony to me is... I can answer that.

00:49:31.000 I can answer that.

00:49:32.000 Yeah.

00:49:33.000 It's because of the color of your skin.

00:49:35.000 And I don't mean... I'm saying you are inoculated, you know, for someone who looks like she's straight from the hip. 1.00

00:49:40.000 I disagree with that.

00:49:41.000 I'm going to be back at you, Steve. 0.98

00:49:42.000 I'm going to hit you hard for that. 1.00

00:49:43.000 That is because the rest of you are freaking lazy. 1.00

00:49:46.000 Cowards! 1.00

00:49:46.000 And the conservative movement has grown lazy. 1.00

00:49:48.000 Cowards! 0.99

00:49:49.000 People in this country have common sense. 0.99

00:49:51.000 What we really lack is courage.

00:49:53.000 So I'm not going to buy some BS that, like, my last name or my skin color insulates me.

00:49:58.000 Think about it, I had to step down... No, but that's the perception. 0.97

00:50:00.000 You have balls, but other people won't criticize you. 0.52

00:50:03.000 We'll just level at this, we're having some fun here. 0.98

00:50:06.000 I stepped down from a CEO of a company, multi-billion dollar company that I founded, led a CEO, built it from scratch, wasn't born into money, and had a choice to do what every other biotech CEO was doing in the wake of George Floyd.

00:50:18.000 Chose not to do it, did not issue a statement in favor of BLM, because saving this country involves some measure of sacrifice.

00:50:24.000 So to somebody, I get this from white friends all the time, good-hearted people, it's like, I love that you can say it because I can't. 0.95

00:50:24.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:50:29.000 My answer is bullshit. 1.00

00:50:30.000 You're just a coward. 1.00

00:50:32.000 Stand up and actually say it. 1.00

00:50:34.000 Stand for your actual convictions because if you can't stand for your convictions, you don't have any at all.

00:50:38.000 But the issue is no one else does say it, right?

00:50:40.000 We say it on this show, right?

00:50:41.000 And then we take the arrows.

00:50:42.000 Let me give you a very clear example.

00:50:43.000 I come from Quebec.

00:50:44.000 Take the arrows, don't cry about it.

00:50:45.000 I'm not crying about it, I'm saying as far as the Republican Party, why aren't they saying it?

00:50:50.000 I am giving you your answer.

00:50:51.000 That is the answer.

00:50:52.000 It's white guilt. 0.98

00:50:52.000 It's their white guilt. 0.98

00:50:54.000 Hold on, let me finish here.

00:50:55.000 This is important.

00:50:56.000 In Quebec, and this goes to Ann Coulter's point, the only people who feel they can't say it Because they've been told they can't say it, are wasps in this country.

00:51:03.000 Quebec, they created language laws, they had the language police to enforce it, and by the way, this was copied across the world.

00:51:09.000 This was copied across the world.

00:51:11.000 They said, oh wow, we can do this because we want to preserve a culture, French, namely French-European culture, right, Acadian culture, in Quebec, and they created these language laws, which by the way were discriminatory against English-speaking Canadians.

00:51:22.000 No one has a problem with it anywhere else except in white United States of America because they've been told they can't. 0.74

00:51:28.000 I don't subscribe to that, but I will tell you this.

00:51:30.000 My frustration is everyone in the Republican Party, save for you and maybe Donald Trump, it's a white guilt thing.

00:51:36.000 They feel they can't say English because people say, do you mean white?

00:51:39.000 And they go, no, no, no, no. 1.00

00:51:40.000 And they're pussies. 0.99

00:51:42.000 You want to know what you know, the one nation is that spoken in other country loan language is spoken in India. 1.00

00:51:42.000 Yeah, absolutely. 1.00

00:51:47.000 It's English.

00:51:47.000 Yes.

00:51:48.000 Why do we worry about that in the United States of America when actually that creates coherence in our nation?

00:51:48.000 So why should we?

00:51:55.000 And so here's here's what I'll say is no excuses for anybody anymore.

00:51:59.000 If you have your own convictions, speak your mind in the open actually start standing for don't assume it's somebody else's responsibility.

00:52:05.000 And don't make excuses for yourself for not doing it either.

00:52:08.000 Now I'm gonna make two points here relating to ethnic pride and nationalism.

00:52:12.000 Look, I think it's weird that every other ethnicity other than the white ethnicity can take pride in their ethnic heritage. 0.92

00:52:20.000 But if white people or people of a WASP variety or whatever take just pride, not denigration of anybody else, but pride in their own ethnic heritage, that's deemed racist.

00:52:28.000 I think that's weird.

00:52:29.000 But I think it's insufficient to just stop there.

00:52:31.000 I think what we're actually missing Is why doesn't everybody actually start taking pride in the American civic heritage?

00:52:39.000 Right?

00:52:39.000 So this is the way I don't want to see us go.

00:52:41.000 I think it's great.

00:52:42.000 The reactionary point is to make an observation that's true.

00:52:45.000 It's super bizarre and weird and hypocritical and illogical and inconsistent for every ethnicity except for one subset of ethnicities based on the shade of your tan, which if it's light, a shade of your tan, you can't actually take pride in your own ethnic heritage.

00:53:00.000 Now, I think that's weird.

00:53:01.000 And I think it's wrong.

00:53:02.000 But then if we go the direction of just letting that reaction guide us and say, I want white pride and somebody else I want black pride, right, actually, we're missing the whole point, which is we should have a shared conviction in American pride.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, which is what we've lost.

00:53:15.000 And so that's, I think, what I see in the conservative movement right now, Stephen is, I think the left, say what you will about them, they will offer a coherent vision, right?

00:53:24.000 There's oppressors and oppressed, they're good at offering a state of emergency, whether it's the end of COVID-19 or climate change, if you don't get it right by then, we're done.

00:53:33.000 And we have fallen into the trap of just stopping.

00:53:35.000 We need some of this to light the spark.

00:53:37.000 It's a means to an end, as you said, but we fall into the trap of just making this as an end in ourself to play whack-a-mole against the other side versus remembering what we're fighting for.

00:53:47.000 And it's what's represented by that flag behind you and the flag behind me.

00:53:51.000 Yes.

00:53:52.000 And I think that that conservative movement has grown lazy, and unless we learn from that, I worry we're going to have the red wave that never came in 2024, just like we did in 2022.

00:54:00.000 And that's not up to the left, that's up to us.

00:54:02.000 And I think that's something we haven't yet done.

00:54:04.000 I completely agree with the, when you talk about the reactionary right, to be clear, people who actually say we should only have white migrants.

00:54:09.000 So to give you an example, I would take 20 Cuban American immigrants, Cuban migrants here, who are actually fleeing a persecutive government.

00:54:17.000 versus one Swedish socialist. But here, let me give you the issue here that I think a lot of people on the right are

00:54:25.000 missing.

00:54:25.000 I'll just start spouting off some titles here.

00:54:29.000 The American History of White Supremacy. 0.58

00:54:32.000 Patriarchy in the establishment of Western civilization. 0.88

00:54:34.000 I've just named you Ivy League courses where you say pride in the American ideals in every single major school and media outlet these kids are being bombarded with.

00:54:41.000 That flag means white supremacy, guys.

00:54:44.000 The Constitution? 0.98

00:54:45.000 Bunch of white guys. 0.87

00:54:46.000 And so that's why people feel the need to say, hold on, it's not because it's white, but also they weren't bad because they were white. 0.71

00:54:51.000 And they spend too much time on it. 0.88

00:54:53.000 But the left says American ideals are bad because of white. 0.82

00:54:55.000 That's what they say. 0.94

00:54:57.000 The left's narrative is garbage here on this, but I'll just give you an example in closing, and this is why I'm bothering to relaunch this podcast, and actually I don't take up a project if I'm not serious about it.

00:55:12.000 It's like an analogy, but it's a related point where I'll hear about so many people on our side, right, preaching about the importance of teaching our kids history.

00:55:20.000 And then when I talk to them, they actually don't know very much about our history, right?

00:55:24.000 And we can talk about how they'll defend it like hell against the fact that Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder.

00:55:28.000 And he's my favorite president.

00:55:30.000 I love Thomas Jefferson.

00:55:31.000 TJ is the man.

00:55:33.000 But they don't even know that John Adams was an abolitionist.

00:55:35.000 Or that John Quincy Adams, his son, actually was the only U.S.

00:55:38.000 President to go back to the U.S.

00:55:40.000 Congress after serving as U.S.

00:55:42.000 President for the cause of fighting for abolition, violated the gag rule by saying the word slavery, uses his own trial to actually make the case against the gag rule, gets it abolished.

00:55:52.000 Or that Abraham Lincoln was the person who actually carried him out of the Congress floor when he died, getting a stroke in the middle of a speech on the Congress floor.

00:55:58.000 These are great stories of American history.

00:56:01.000 And I just use that as an example, where most conservatives I talked to about, well, we believe in our founding, we're not teaching our history anymore, have no clue about that story of American history.

00:56:11.000 And so for me, I think our side has grown lazy.

00:56:14.000 And I think that's just, I'm not just gonna call that out.

00:56:17.000 It's part of what I'm trying to do on this podcast is get into the content beyond this.

00:56:21.000 If you want standard conservative talking points, there's a lot of place to go.

00:56:24.000 And like, I just get sick of saying what other people are saying.

00:56:27.000 But if you want to cover ground that other people haven't covered, that's why I launched this thing.

00:56:31.000 The first one with Ann Coulter we put out yesterday in Apple, Spotify, whatever it is.

00:56:36.000 I'd encourage people to listen.

00:56:37.000 I'm not in this as a business.

00:56:38.000 That's not my principal objective.

00:56:40.000 If you want to make money, there's other ways to do it.

00:56:42.000 But I do think we need to elevate the quality of conversation in this country, and particularly on the right.

00:56:48.000 So anyway, I love coming on with you because we get to do that.

00:56:51.000 It's one of these rare spaces, and you keep doing what you're doing, and I'll come back soon.

00:56:56.000 And of course, John Hancock was not an adult film star.

00:56:56.000 Absolutely.

00:56:58.000 Most Americans need to learn that.

00:57:00.000 We appreciate it.

00:57:01.000 Vivek, thank you, brother.

00:57:02.000 I appreciate that you have the testicular fortitude to say these things, and the ability to articulate it well.

00:57:07.000 I think you've moved a lot of people towards your position.

00:57:10.000 We appreciate it, brother.

00:57:11.000 Be well.

00:57:12.000 Thank you, man.

00:57:13.000 Take care.

00:57:21.000 Wait, what?

00:57:22.000 I know him.

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 Hancock.

00:57:23.000 Hancock's great, man.

00:57:24.000 He's great!

00:57:25.000 He got fired up.

00:57:26.000 I stand by it, though.

00:57:27.000 It's because of the color of his skin.

00:57:28.000 There is some inoculation.

00:57:29.000 There's a reason that it's not just him.

00:57:30.000 Herman Cain was that way.

00:57:32.000 Ben Carson, they went after him.

00:57:34.000 It's one of those things.

00:57:36.000 It's white guilt from a lot of people on the right where they feel they can't say national language because the left says, do you mean white?

00:57:43.000 I mean a language.

00:57:43.000 No!

00:57:44.000 I mean a language.

00:57:45.000 There are other white languages and there are plenty of people who speak English who are not white.

00:57:50.000 But it does have to be addressed.

00:57:51.000 Because it's not just the politicians who are afraid, it's everyone on campus who is afraid.

00:57:56.000 These students.

00:57:57.000 It's people who come out to these live shows who say, I work in tech and I can't talk about this.

00:58:02.000 They need to be emboldened by people like Vivek and that's why we do what we do.

00:58:06.000 And we appreciate your support.

00:58:07.000 You know, at Mug Club we wouldn't be able to do it.

00:58:10.000 Yeah, and I think he's right.

00:58:11.000 People need to be more courageous.

00:58:12.000 Yeah.

00:58:13.000 I've been taking more risks myself.

00:58:13.000 Take more risks.

00:58:15.000 Actually, I did another screen test recently, and if you don't mind, I'd like to show you that one, too.

00:58:20.000 What is the screen test?

00:58:22.000 It's a sequel to Napoleon Dynamite.

00:58:24.000 Oh, I love that movie.

00:58:26.000 Yeah.

00:58:27.000 So, Tim, go ahead and roll it.

00:58:29.000 No.

00:58:30.000 What do you mean, no?

00:58:30.000 What?

00:58:32.000 I mean, no.

00:58:34.000 We already did one.

00:58:35.000 I want to see this one.

00:58:36.000 No, play the clip. 1.00

00:58:39.000 Play the damn clip, dude. 1.00

00:58:39.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:58:40.000 No, screw you. 1.00

00:58:41.000 I don't want to play damn Napoleus in this movie ever. 1.00

00:58:43.000 Hey, you want a piece of me, dude? 0.98

00:58:45.000 Yeah, all right.

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:46.000 Let's go ahead.

00:58:47.000 That's what- What's- What, guys?

00:58:48.000 Let's- Hold on.

00:58:49.000 Wait.

00:58:50.000 Oh my gosh.

00:58:51.000 Hey, hey.

00:58:51.000 What?

00:58:52.000 Play the clip, Tim!

00:58:54.000 Tim!

00:58:54.000 Yeah.

00:58:54.000 That's- I don't- Um... That stuff is terrible.

00:58:59.000 Oh, that's- Uh... Okay.

00:59:04.000 This is a problem.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, I don't know how we'll home.

00:59:11.000 Okay, guys, look, break, break, break it up.

00:59:13.000 We're on air.

00:59:13.000 Come on.

00:59:14.000 Yeah, we're on air.

00:59:14.000 Come on.

00:59:15.000 Yes.

00:59:17.000 Sorry, Gerald.

00:59:18.000 Just you guys okay?

00:59:23.000 Are you?

00:59:24.000 Does anyone hurt?

00:59:24.000 I'll be all right.

00:59:26.000 Shoulders a little sore.

00:59:27.000 It's not because of Josh.

00:59:28.000 I took care of it.

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:30.000 Look, hey man, so here's some CB distillery sticks if you guys just rub it on each other after show like make up like here Here you go.

00:59:36.000 Yes.

00:59:36.000 I'll toss it to you.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:59:38.000 You got it rub it on your shoulder Yeah, just rub it on your shoulder so we can especially where there's a tear do it slowly Slowly, I said!

00:59:44.000 This is new, this is a good one.

00:59:46.000 Yeah, of course it's new.

00:59:47.000 We spared no expense.

00:59:48.000 You just got into a fight in the studio.

00:59:49.000 Rub the frame.

00:59:50.000 You feel good now, right?

00:59:50.000 There you go.

00:59:51.000 You feel good?

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01:00:00.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:00:01.000 I tossed him the stick.

01:00:01.000 Hey, come on.

01:00:03.000 What is going on?

01:00:04.000 Me and Vivek arguing.

01:00:06.000 You guys.

01:00:07.000 I guess I got jealous.

01:00:07.000 I don't know.

01:00:09.000 It's all love.

01:00:10.000 I've used the promo code Crowder at CBDistillery.com.

01:00:10.000 That's all.

01:00:13.000 One of the actual products that I used before they ever reached out because it was lab tested and a lot of CBD out there is basically a novelty item.

01:00:21.000 I took the whole tincture thing you gave me at once.

01:00:23.000 It was a really bad idea.

01:00:24.000 It wasn't a great idea.

01:00:24.000 It was true.

01:00:25.000 Wait, you took the whole thing?

01:00:26.000 I should probably read instructions.

01:00:28.000 I'm just like, that's not a lot.

01:00:30.000 I know we're running a little bit behind, but do we have Mr. Rosen?

01:00:35.000 Okay, so before that, let me just bring this up here, and this is the difference I was talking with Vivek about.

01:00:42.000 Bradley Martin and Vitaly, they're sort of, would you call them podcast hosts?

01:00:46.000 Influencers?

01:00:48.000 Content creators?

01:00:49.000 Streamers.

01:00:51.000 They went out and sort of did their own version.

01:00:53.000 The problem is when people do it improperly and that may let these actual sex offenders

01:01:17.000 walk free.

01:01:19.000 Due diligence matters using platforms and social media and new media to use that term anymore as a tool to draw attention to that's that's one thing simply Trying to get attention, uh, or chasing clout, that's how you make mistakes, and unfortunately, it can sometimes do more harm than good.

01:01:39.000 So, this week, you had these, uh, streamers, Bradley Martin, Batali, went viral after catching, uh, this screenwriter, and I'm glad that, I'm glad that a light has been shined on it.

01:01:49.000 Uh, Herschel Weingrad, I believe was his name, in this predator sting, after which the man will probably walk free.

01:01:57.000 You know how old she is? 1.00

01:01:59.000 23.

01:01:59.000 Is that what the conversation looked like?

01:02:02.000 On a dating site.

01:02:02.000 23.

01:02:02.000 Yeah?

01:02:03.000 Lila, how old are you?

01:02:03.000 How old is she?

01:02:04.000 She was 23 on a dating site.

01:02:04.000 I'm sorry.

01:02:07.000 So, she didn't tell you how old she was?

01:02:08.000 She did.

01:02:08.000 How old is she?

01:02:09.000 I have no idea.

01:02:10.000 Lila, how old are you?

01:02:11.000 Fifteen.

01:02:12.000 I'm sorry.

01:02:13.000 She was 23 on a dating site.

01:02:14.000 All we've done is talk.

01:02:15.000 So she didn't tell you how old she was?

01:02:16.000 She did.

01:02:17.000 She did?

01:02:18.000 Yeah.

01:02:19.000 How old is she? 0.98

01:02:20.000 She said she was 15.

01:02:21.000 Where are you going?

01:02:22.000 I heard a piece I'm going to go to.

01:02:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:02:24.000 Okay.

01:02:25.000 Okay.

01:02:26.000 Okay, have a seat.

01:02:28.000 Have a seat.

01:02:29.000 Why?

01:02:30.000 I'll sit with you, I'll eat pizza with you.

01:02:31.000 We're just having pizza, right?

01:02:33.000 First mistake right there.

01:02:34.000 Sit right here.

01:02:35.000 Unfortunately.

01:02:36.000 Excuse me, sir, excuse me.

01:02:38.000 Second mistake right there. 0.99

01:02:40.000 So you're a pedophile trying to meet a 15 year old. 0.94

01:02:43.000 Oh, I'm sorry, it's not a boy, it's a girl. 0.99

01:02:48.000 Whoa.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, you are.

01:02:54.000 Wait.

01:02:54.000 We need to hear audio.

01:02:59.000 We need to hear audio. 0.97

01:03:02.000 Clown. 0.94

01:03:04.000 Let's go. 1.00

01:03:04.000 All right. 1.00

01:03:04.000 Let's go. 1.00

01:03:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:09.000 I'm going to say.

01:03:10.000 What are you doing?

01:03:10.000 We can't grab him.

01:03:12.000 Yeah.

01:03:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:13.000 You can't grab him.

01:03:14.000 You can't do that.

01:03:15.000 You can't do that.

01:03:15.000 Let him go.

01:03:16.000 Let him go.

01:03:17.000 Let him go.

01:03:18.000 You just hold him.

01:03:19.000 Metallic.

01:03:20.000 He's trying to be a 15 year old.

01:03:21.000 He's trying to be a 15 year old.

01:03:22.000 So, again, really, if, if, and I don't have all the evidence and that's part of the issue,

01:03:32.000 but I'm going to assume that this is true.

01:03:33.000 If this guy did this, of course, it's unbelievably scummy.

01:03:35.000 Yeah.

01:03:36.000 And I hope he gets his comeuppance.

01:03:38.000 There were some receipts missing.

01:03:39.000 Doesn't mean they don't exist.

01:03:41.000 Potential legal hurdles to overcome.

01:03:43.000 Bye!

01:03:44.000 False imprisonment by not allowing him to leave.

01:03:47.000 It's possible.

01:03:47.000 I'm saying potential legal hurdles to overcome.

01:03:51.000 Possible, for example, battery because later saying you can't touch him.

01:03:54.000 Well, he already did.

01:03:56.000 Touched him at the restaurant.

01:03:57.000 Blasting with powder.

01:03:58.000 And by the way, it's not lost on me that entertainment is a valuable tool and it should be used.

01:04:03.000 I get it.

01:04:04.000 Not at the cost of what is required to accomplish the goal.

01:04:08.000 So I don't know if the goal here is to actually bring justice to pedophiles, or if it's clicks.

01:04:16.000 Clicks can serve as a valuable tool, pressure to draw attention to the misdeeds, and then them have to face justice.

01:04:24.000 But if you take action in a way that actually may undercut the goal, okay, you got clicks, but he may walk.

01:04:32.000 And I think that's an important distinction to make because we really work with some people here who do a lot of great work and it takes a lot of time.

01:04:38.000 We have things at the Undercover Unit they're working on right now.

01:04:40.000 Months.

01:04:41.000 Months.

01:04:42.000 Let me give you a couple of examples.

01:04:44.000 Just really quickly to understand the difference and I want to bring on the OG of Predator Poachers, Alex Rosen.

01:04:50.000 It's the difference of, I use the gun example because That was something, a big thing.

01:04:54.000 YouTube was just, it was people, it was just this proliferation of anti-gun videos, assault weapons ban, videos on gun statistics that were incorrect.

01:05:03.000 I thought, you know what?

01:05:05.000 I can use this platform to do top five myths about assault weapons or top five myths about the AR-15.

01:05:11.000 The clicks were effectively a representation of people being educated, which was the goal, and hopefully entertained.

01:05:17.000 It's the difference between proper strength training, for example, trying to get people healthier, using social media to actually provide tools, this is how you lift, this is a good way to eat, this is a routine that you can get into, versus steroids and a filter.

01:05:32.000 On Instagram.

01:05:34.000 So that you can sell things that you don't even use.

01:05:36.000 Yeah.

01:05:36.000 If the end goal is just, look at me, you don't tell people that you're taking steroids and you're adding a filter and you're telling them it came from some kind of green tea, now you are simply pursuing clicks in the name of clout rather than using these platforms to provide people valuable tools.

01:05:52.000 Comment below.

01:05:53.000 Does that make sense?

01:05:54.000 I see that as a huge shift and I've experienced it.

01:05:57.000 Uh, here, where it can be difficult to get people to go and watch the entire context of a program.

01:06:02.000 And I do think that that matters.

01:06:03.000 Here to talk about this sting specifically and what maybe has gone wrong, the OG predator poacher,

01:06:09.000 friend of the show, Alex Rosen. Mr. Rosen, before, hold on a second, I want to let people know where

01:06:18.000 to find you. It's...

01:06:20.000 They can find you on X at iFight4Kids, Pea Poachers Live, and of course on Locals, predatorpoachers.com slash, sorry, predatorpoachers.locals.com.

01:06:31.000 Alex, thanks for being here, brother.

01:06:32.000 I appreciate it.

01:06:33.000 Yeah, thanks for having me on.

01:06:35.000 I saw you were saying something when the stinger came in.

01:06:35.000 Absolutely.

01:06:37.000 Was there something that I missed?

01:06:38.000 Please tell me it was... No, I was just saying, like, how's it going?

01:06:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:06:43.000 I thought you were, like, making fun of one of our mothers, which is also acceptable. 1.00

01:06:46.000 So, let me ask you this.

01:06:48.000 What was your first thought when you were watching this video, which has since gone viral?

01:06:53.000 Well, the first thought is I'm just glad that Hollywood producers exposed.

01:06:56.000 I mean, you know, we all say that we all say that all Hollywood's full of pedos, but I mean, clearly there's something going on with that guy's out in the open doing that.

01:07:05.000 But, you know, kind of the thing with those types of stings. 0.59

01:07:09.000 It was probably done the same day like he was that that lady was probably texting him the same exact day they met and I don't even know how much sexual talk was in the messages at all.

01:07:19.000 Like just saying I just wanted to meet her and this and that.

01:07:22.000 Of course, they never just want to meet of course he wants more no guy meets a lady off a dating app underage or not to just meet but Um, I think in the messages there probably wasn't enough said to get him arrested and that's just gonna make him more careful the next time.

01:07:34.000 That's really gonna make him not say anything sexual to the next sting or whatever pops up next.

01:07:40.000 So I think he's gonna walk free and that's the unfortunate part about it, but the good part is everybody knows who he is now.

01:07:45.000 Yes, I do think that's a great thing is for it to be exposed, but there would be a way to do it properly, for example, the way that you do it where you make it stick.

01:07:54.000 In other words, if you were doing this, would it be give it a little more time so that you have verifiable proof of messages that would stand up in court and do your due diligence?

01:08:05.000 Oh, 100% agree.

01:08:06.000 So I'll bring up this guy named Fred Hendricks who we caught.

01:08:08.000 If you want to find that video on Rumbles, it's Predator Poachers, Eugene's.

01:08:10.000 Type it in, the video will come up.

01:08:13.000 That guy was a sex offender.

01:08:14.000 He was talking to us for nine months, would never get sexual with us, then finally to an eight-year-old girl.

01:08:20.000 He says one sexual thing, and it was enough, and we go and confront him about it.

01:08:23.000 He gets a three-year sentence, but in that video where we're talking to him, he admits to molesting his niece, and he never got in trouble for that.

01:08:30.000 He went to jail for molesting his daughter, and now Maricopa County in Phoenix has extradited him from Oregon to Phoenix, and they charged him with touching his niece now because he said that to us on camera.

01:08:40.000 So instead of getting three years in prison, he's facing the rest of his life now.

01:08:43.000 So it's really important That you make sure the video is good as well, because if they could admit to an array of crimes, that would just not be in the messages, whether it's sexual or not.

01:08:53.000 Right.

01:08:53.000 Do you see this, as someone who's been doing this for a long time, do you see this as a potential problem in the future, this proliferation as far as, you know, these people now being more prudent because of lazy work and making it harder to catch them?

01:09:06.000 Because, honestly, I'm surprised that anyone texts those things anymore, like, to catch a predator.

01:09:11.000 I'm like, you've seen the show.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, no, I think there's going to be so many pedos and chomos regardless, but I will say in places like L.A.

01:09:23.000 County where people like People vs. Preds and CCU have done great work getting a lot of these people arrested, L.A.

01:09:29.000 County can now just Group can just group us in with people like Vitaly doing it not exactly the right way to get him arrested.

01:09:35.000 Like we've had that problem in places like North Carolina where groups come in and they just kind of screw it up.

01:09:41.000 And then we get a guy in North Carolina who admits to buying child pornography of infants and toddlers and nothing happens to him because they don't even want to touch anything with it now.

01:09:49.000 So that's kind of what I worry about with that.

01:09:51.000 Do you think there's a way to course-correct that going forward?

01:09:55.000 Because the work you do is very important, and the reason it's so important is because, unfortunately, our members of law enforcement haven't seemed to make it the priority that they need to, so it requires people like you.

01:10:04.000 I 100% agree.

01:10:06.000 Yeah, I mean, when we started doing this in 2019, I mean, we were just screwing around in Walmart, just shouting at the pedos, too.

01:10:11.000 I mean, you know, we definitely didn't come into it doing it the correct way.

01:10:15.000 So I hope they do course-correct, and I hope they see the bigger picture.

01:10:18.000 Like, if these people walk free, They will go out and harm a child, and unfortunately it's happened.

01:10:23.000 We have 11 arrests in the state of Virginia on 12 catches, and the 12th catch did not get arrested.

01:10:30.000 They decided to not charge him for whatever reason, and he went to go rape a girl in Idaho when he moved back there.

01:10:36.000 So, it's important to get them arrested the first time.

01:10:39.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

01:10:40.000 And we have that, by the way, we have to deal with that on a different scale.

01:10:43.000 But certainly, actually no, with undercover, the undercover unit, for example, the National Manifesto, Chippewa Falls, where we know that it could get clicks if we go out faster, if you, you know, if you basically glorify it in a way that is less than accurate.

01:10:55.000 But sometimes the truth needs to be enough, and the process needs to be included.

01:10:58.000 There's no reason you can't do both.

01:11:00.000 Make it entertaining, and also make sure that the legal consequences are apportioned.

01:11:06.000 I mean, really quick, Alex, so do you think that the goal, based on what we saw, was basically just exposure and to be able to try to make it, I don't know, make it sting a little bit for this guy, but not necessarily get him put in jail?

01:11:18.000 Because it seems like they immediately started off by doing things that potentially could give them legal troubles.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, I don't think the intent of that sting was to put that guy in jail.

01:11:28.000 I don't think the intent of any of the stings that they do is to put him in jail.

01:11:31.000 Like if you're shaving their eyebrows and stuff like that.

01:11:33.000 Obviously, you're doing it with the knowledge that, hey, this guy's not going to go to jail, and maybe they think it's going to scare the pedo into not doing it again, but I can tell you, after doing this for five years, they absolutely do it again. 0.99

01:11:43.000 The amount of sex offenders that we've caught that have just been fresh out of prison, the amount of people that we've caught twice, even when they're on bail, after they get arrested by us the first time, they will do the shit again, so there's no teaching them a lesson. 0.99

01:11:55.000 That doesn't exist. 0.99

01:11:56.000 Is that why your shirt, I can't see what the bottom would say, but dead pedophiles, is it society? 0.54

01:12:01.000 Dead pedophiles cannot re-offend redpillthread.com.

01:12:07.000 I think he's got a point.

01:12:09.000 These guys are going to go ahead and do it again.

01:12:10.000 Really quickly, without being explicit, what do you need to see in the communication to be able to have somebody get arrested?

01:12:18.000 Just in case these guys out there don't know this, and they're doing the pedophile stuff, and they're doing these things, but they're not getting any actual arrest, nothing is actually changing.

01:12:26.000 What do the cops need to see in those messages? 0.77

01:12:29.000 Well, in California, for example, if that predator would have just sent a penis picture to who he thought was a minor, that would be enough to charge him. 0.97

01:12:36.000 Arranging to meet a minor under sexual pretenses, that would be enough to charge. 0.83

01:12:40.000 In every state, though, meeting who you believe to be a minor off the internet just under no sexual pretenses expressed, that's not illegal in any state.

01:12:47.000 And I mean, that's definitely an issue, but that's just the case.

01:12:50.000 So there definitely would need to be like a solicitation of a sexual act.

01:12:54.000 It can't just be kissing.

01:12:56.000 It has to be like, Anything from a hand job to all the way, so... Right, gotcha.

01:13:01.000 Also, a concern that I have is, if we get into a culture of no receipts provided, and it's a take-our-word-for-it thing, then you could also slander people who aren't pedophiles, right?

01:13:10.000 In other words, it could be like, hey, what if some guy is saying, I just came to actually have pizza with my niece, and they actually are?

01:13:17.000 It can all be tossed into that same lot if we've never actually seen the explicit material, or at least some verification of it.

01:13:25.000 Yeah, 100% agree.

01:13:26.000 I mean, you could catch 10 actual pedos and then throw in somebody you have a personal vendetta against and nobody will tell the difference.

01:13:31.000 Right.

01:13:32.000 And that is something that we've seen.

01:13:32.000 I mean we've seen that with the Me Too era.

01:13:34.000 Good job.

01:13:55.000 I know that we have gone late, sir, so I appreciate you making the time.

01:13:59.000 I don't know if you have anything else that you wanted to add or what you're working on and where people can find you and support you, but I appreciate the insight.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:14:06.000 So, we got a guy on the West Coast right now who... My decoy totally set me up for failure on this, so Hannah, if you're watching this, as politely as possible as I can say, go F yourself for this, but... So, we sometimes pose as a dad of a nine-year-old kid, and we have a guy named Eric Rowe, rested in Indiana because of it.

01:14:24.000 He came into the hotel room, or he invited us into the hotel room, me, my decoy daughter, and then one of our subscribers playing the wife, and he, on the hot mic, says, Yeah, I molested my daughter, this and that, and then we dropped the hammer on him.

01:14:36.000 He got arrested for child pornography and attempted child molestation.

01:14:41.000 Y'all can go watch that on Rumble, Predator, Poachers, Marion, M-A-R-I-O-N. 0.96

01:14:45.000 But, so we have another guy, similar situation, I'm playing as the dad, and then this guy expresses that he's bi-curious, and then, so, my decoy, she's texting as me, pretty much, and she's saying that, like, oh, I'll bring lubricant, and this predator's telling me to get my butthole ready, so thank you, Hannah, for that. 0.94

01:15:03.000 Well, let me ask you. 0.89

01:15:06.000 There's no time like the present.

01:15:08.000 Is it ready?

01:15:11.000 You know, I've never been in that situation before, but, you know, I mean, I've never thought I'd lose my virginity twice, but here we go.

01:15:17.000 Hey, look.

01:15:17.000 There you go.

01:15:19.000 Sometimes you have to take one for the team and you'll really make it stick after he makes it stick.

01:15:23.000 Or not stick.

01:15:24.000 All right.

01:15:25.000 The best place for people to watch you?

01:15:28.000 If y'all want to go watch a video we just dropped right now, we caught a sex offender attempting to babysit an eight-year-old. 0.59

01:15:34.000 He had over 1,200 images of child porn on his phone.

01:15:36.000 He's facing the rest of his life in prison right now.

01:15:38.000 Just type in Predator Poachers on Rumble.

01:15:40.000 It's the latest video.

01:15:41.000 Go check that video out. 1.00

01:15:42.000 He is a scumbag. 1.00

01:15:43.000 Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. 1.00

01:15:46.000 Mr. Alex Rosen, the OG, we appreciate it, brother.

01:15:49.000 Be well.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, thank y'all so much.

01:15:50.000 Take care.

01:15:57.000 I love that guy.

01:15:58.000 Both guests today, Vivek and Alex Rosen.

01:16:01.000 It was good.

01:16:02.000 I love those guys.

01:16:02.000 It was a lot of fun and none of this of course happens without you.

01:16:06.000 That's kind of the theme today is courage.

01:16:08.000 Alex Rosen stepped out.

01:16:09.000 Takes a lot of courage.

01:16:10.000 Takes a lot of work to do what he does.

01:16:12.000 Support him.

01:16:13.000 And Vivek.

01:16:14.000 Speaking on some things that a lot of people are afraid to discuss.

01:16:17.000 It is a good question.

01:16:18.000 Why do you think that very few other people in the Republican Party, I think it's important to notice there's a difference between that and people out there doing this kind of work.

01:16:25.000 I certainly wouldn't consider someone like an Alex Rosen to be gutless, or anyone here in this room.

01:16:30.000 But yeah, there is a disconnect between what we do, and not only the RNC, but a lot of the conservative, I would even say, media movement out there.

01:16:37.000 It does seem like they've been a little bit neutered.

01:16:39.000 So we would never be able to be this bold if not for your support.

01:16:42.000 MugClub, loudearthcutter.com slash MugClub, $89 annually, and right now you get $10 off if you enter in the promo code MILITARY, and 10% of the proceeds will go to military charities, and it's going to be chat Thursday.

01:16:53.000 You're about to say something there.

01:16:54.000 Yeah, really quick before we go, we're working on trying to get Vivek to be able to do a Spaces tonight to talk a little bit more about the Ann Coulter thing with me and with Gingersnap, so just to see if we can kind of dive into it, because I think you guys had one of the better conversations about this stuff that I've seen, and more of that needs to happen.

01:17:11.000 So check us out on social media and we'll see at G Morgan Jr.

01:17:14.000 or if you follow Vivek, I think he'll probably be hosting if we do it.

01:17:17.000 So we're trying to set it up so that we can continue to have these conversations and let you guys kind of chime in a little bit and see what you think about it.

01:17:23.000 Because I got to tell you, I learned a bunch of new stuff by watching their conversation.

01:17:26.000 I didn't realize some of the connections.

01:17:28.000 I didn't realize how many people went home.

01:17:29.000 I didn't realize, you know, tying it to pre-1965, post-1965.

01:17:34.000 It was just, it was a really, really good thing for me to see and to get a little bit more information on.

01:17:39.000 I don't know what's on my desk right here.

01:17:39.000 Good.

01:17:41.000 I don't know if you can see that.

01:17:41.000 That's not me.

01:17:42.000 If it's broken glass?

01:17:43.000 It's probably broken glass.

01:17:44.000 It's probably from our fight.

01:17:47.000 Oh, I thought it was from my ring pop earlier.

01:17:50.000 You have a ring?

01:17:51.000 No, and that was a gift from me to you.

01:17:56.000 Not for you to eat, but for you to cherish for the rest of your life.

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Louder with Crowder - May 09, 2024

Bradley Martyn and Vitaly's Hollywood Pedo Bust Goes Wrong! Guests: Alex Rosen | Vivek Ramaswamy

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