In this episode of the show, I sit down with Brazilian journalist Paulo Figueredo to talk about censorship in Brazil and how it relates to censorship in the United States. We talk about the differences between Brazil and the US, how censorship is rampant in Brazil, and how we can learn to deal with it.
00:00:00.000I'm sure I was a little late to the draw on letting this...
00:00:10.000It's another installment of Ash Wednesday.
00:00:12.000It's one of the rare instances where we pre-tape anything, so I don't know if it's going to be an Ash Tuesday or Thursday, but I have a couple of Brazilians here today, a little disappointed because they're men.
00:00:50.000Yeah. There was this one time, I was working actually with a Trump organization, and they did a background check and said, well, your name is Fido.
00:01:01.000I see there's another guy on the company that's Fido as well.
00:01:35.000Well, I know it's Alan DeSantos. I'm trying to look for the X. But, Alan, what's your X? Alan L. DeSantos.
00:01:42.000Okay. I want to make sure people know where to find you because they've seen you on the show and a lot of Americans are fascinated because I was raised in Canada and I always see Americans talking about Canadian politics and they don't know what they're talking about.
00:01:56.000I don't expect them to. It's a different system.
00:01:58.000It's a parliamentary system. And the same thing with Brazilian politics.
00:02:03.000I don't fully understand the ins and outs, but I do recognize fascism when I see it.
00:02:08.000I do recognize censorship when I see it and see a parallel in a country with the United States.
00:02:14.000And you've been on the show to talk about that a couple of times.
00:02:18.000But what is it if, before we move on, because some Americans will go, I'm not Brazilian, it doesn't affect me.
00:02:26.000Tell them what is the most important key fact that Americans need to know in how it relates to Brazil and how that actually directly relates to Americans at home.
00:02:35.000I think there are two main points that you can see.
00:02:38.000The first one is how similar Brazil is to the U.S. culturally.
00:03:21.000And I think a lot of the things that happens in Brazil are similar to what's happening in the United States.
00:03:27.000So you can look into Brazil and see a little bit of what's the outcome of these crazy ideas that some people are defending in the U.S. So that's one side of it.
00:03:38.000And for people who don't know, people who haven't seen you on the show before, obviously as a journalist who was censored, I mean, it's something that's a warning that people should heed.
00:03:46.000For people who don't know of your background, we'll make sure that you have the link in the description, but that's kind of how you came to be, I don't want to say more popular, but the more they try and silence you, the more people know who you are.
00:03:57.000True. And on that, you can talk about the censorship that's ongoing in the U.S. It's going through the deep state, like putting pressure on the White House, putting pressure on social media company, and the social media companies coming up with, we all know what's going on on YouTube and not on X anymore, but on other companies as well, like Meta and Facebook and whatever.
00:04:19.000That's the same thing that's happening in Brazil.
00:04:22.000But the other side of it, Brazil is so important, is from a geopolitical perspective.
00:04:27.000Yeah. Because, well, Brazil is, and I can say that without fear, that it's the most important country from a geopolitical perspective on the southern hemisphere.
00:04:37.000And the reason I tell you this is, well, obviously, if you control Brazil, Brazil controls completely the whole coast on the Atlantic South Ocean, which is fairly important.
00:04:47.000But not only that, if you go to war, you need four things.
00:04:51.000You need people. To build an army, you need food to feed this army, you need iron to produce the war machines, and you need energy to power the war machines.
00:05:02.000And Brazil's the number three or fourth largest food producer in the world.
00:05:06.000Brazil is the fifth largest population in the world.
00:05:10.000Brazil is the number two iron ore producer in the world.
00:05:13.000And Brazil has more energy than most OPEC countries, some of them combined.
00:05:18.000So from a geopolitical perspective, the fact that Brazil is shifting towards China should
00:05:24.000be very concerning to the US, to Americans.
00:05:40.000Which is always kind of surprising to me, especially during that time of Bolsonaro, to not see Americans understand what they had at that moment in time.
00:05:49.000It's no big secret that I have quite a few friends in my close circle who are Brazilian, especially coming from a background having done jiu-jitsu, so I was a little bit more in tune with it.
00:05:57.000But I thought, okay, there's one other place where there seems to be this at least sprouting of freedom that people understand.
00:06:03.000And so when I saw that change with Lula, I didn't know all the ins and outs.
00:06:07.000But was really disappointing, was really disheartening to see, because you're going, ah, I thought they were about to get it right.
00:06:13.000And I don't want you to let you hog the whole spotlight.
00:06:15.000Alan DeSantos, you obviously were an early backer to supporter of Bolsonaro there, and you guys have both been involved with...
00:06:22.000I mean, there's so many stories. So you guys tell me where you want me to go with this.
00:06:25.000I mean, you've been in American jail, you were telling me, Paulo?
00:06:28.000Yeah. Yeah. You haven't been in jail, right?
00:06:30.000No, not yet. I don't imagine you would fare well in jail.
00:06:33.000Yeah. Unless you were managing the library like Brooks and Shawshank, come on, you better find the biggest guy and make nice with him.
00:06:40.000But what do you think is the most important for Americans to understand?
00:06:45.000I would like to go back a little bit in history.
00:06:48.000When Walt Disney was facing a strike, I think it was the first strike, strongest one.
00:06:57.000He had a deal with Bank of America to recover his money and do more movies.
00:07:06.000And he had a mission in South America.
00:07:09.000And you can watch it on Disney +, this is not hitting the ABC countries.
00:07:16.000He had a mission to go to South America and spread anti-Nazi propaganda.
00:07:23.000That's when he came up with Jose Carioca, right?
00:08:01.000Which is kind of ironic, because I don't know if you know this, but Walt Disney didn't like the Jews, so I'm imagining that they weren't in charge of Bank of America yet.
00:08:10.000So anyway, he went to South America to do this job in the name of the United States with Argentina, Chile, and Brazil.
00:08:24.000So Brazil was very important back then, Because they knew that if you conquer Brazil, why are you fighting against Cuba?
00:08:35.000What Cuba means in comparison with Brazil?
00:08:39.000If you won Brazil, for example, the Russian and Chinese army, if they won Brazil...
00:08:47.000They have Venezuela and Cuba and the drugs and everything that you can ever imagine and even a war against the United States would be easier for them if they have Brazil because South America is basically Brazil.
00:11:14.000I think there's an important point to be made.
00:11:17.000The difference on foreign policy between conservatives and leftists.
00:11:23.000Yeah. So the leftists always had this big concern with their national community, right?
00:11:29.000So the globalists are pretty much leftists.
00:11:31.000Yeah. The conservatives in the U.S., they always had this tension between the non-interventionists or isolationists and the interventionists.
00:11:43.000So you have this tension of, like, one side you have the crazy neocons, like, let's export democracy to Iraq.
00:11:51.000Just saying the words sounds so silly, doesn't it?
00:11:54.000Like, let's export them. You know where they want democracy?
00:13:27.000Yes, no, it absolutely was. That was propaganda.
00:13:29.000Of course it was, and he bought into it.
00:13:31.000And so my first investigative piece, I was with a company called PJTV in LA, and I said, this was before you even had access to hidden cameras.
00:13:36.000I said, I know the hospitals I went to and the clinics, so I just took it, and it was like, you know, an old camera in a hat.
00:13:46.000And I just showed people like, yeah, broken arm.
00:13:48.000We waited for, I think it was eight or nine hours in an emergency room and no one saw us.
00:13:52.000To get penicillin, you would be dazed.
00:13:54.000To get a blood test, three years to get a family doctor because there weren't enough doctors.
00:13:58.000And then I was accused of propaganda, so I followed it up.
00:14:01.000And now it's since basically collapsed where they've conceded it in Canada, which is interesting that you say, not to misquote you, but that Brazil is in some ways a petri dish testing some of these ideas.
00:14:25.000And you see that now with the left praising the recent election and your leadership now in Brazil.
00:14:30.000How close do you think... The left is, right now, we know historically how important it is, but at this moment in time, the left is to tipping Brazil, and does that cause other dominoes to fall?
00:14:40.000Oh, I can absolutely say that Lula wouldn't be president of Brazil, communist Lula, the current president of Brazil, he wouldn't be president if he wasn't for the US left.
00:14:49.000And I mean that, that's hard to dispute.
00:14:51.000Right. On the point that, well, for example, Well, Lula won the election.
00:14:57.000That's what we were told, that he won the election.
00:15:01.000And we have all the problems with the Brazilian electoral system.
00:15:03.000If you think in the U.S. it's bad, Brazil is way worse.
00:15:07.000Well, I can imagine. Yeah. Well, first of all, it's fully electronic.
00:15:09.000So 100% electronic with no paper trail.
00:15:13.000Second, everything is decided by a centralized federal court, which is the superior electoral court.
00:15:18.000The man who was in charge of this court was Bolsonaro's sworn enemy, Demo Rice.
00:15:26.000The bald guy looks like a James Bond villain.
00:15:29.000Or Voldemort, as Elon Musk likes to say.
00:15:47.000Completely. And the way they started doing that is like, for example, we have access to public documents showing meetings between technicians from this electoral court, meeting with FBI agents, FBI, U.S., United States FBI agents, where they were teaching them how to, quote unquote, combat disinformation.
00:16:11.000Right. So everything that was done behind the scenes here, and we didn't know in the US, like the Hunter Biden laptop, it was being hidden while they sent FBI agents to talk to them to not publish the story that would probably, in Brazil, that was done by a court order.
00:16:28.000So the stories were being censored by the order of the Supreme Court, which is the highest court in the land.
00:16:34.000Right. So all that framework came from the United States.
00:16:37.000The theoretical framework to come up with, to justify all that, was the Atlantic Council, is a U.S. NGO funded by George Soros, was the one in Brazil working with them.
00:16:50.000George Soros funded most of the initiatives in Brazil That censored conservatives and worked with the Superior Electoral Court to censor conservatives in Brazil.
00:16:59.000So you have the deep state and US NGOs and Georgia is like a conspiracy theorist.
00:17:40.000The fact that the U.S. sent the CIA Director William Burns, the Chief of the Southern Command, the General Chief of the Southern Command, Jake Sullivan, to put pressure on Brazilian public officials and even military leaders to not challenge the electoral results in Brazil.
00:17:56.000So what I'm saying is, and even, I talked to a lot of military leaders during the election, and they said, they actually said, if we challenge the elections, the Americans will sanction us, and that will destroy our country.
00:18:11.000Right. So, and that's the only reason why, not the only reason, but the main reason why we have a dictator in Brazil that's able to do whatever he wants, because he has support of the U.S. left.
00:18:25.000There is a silver lining. At least you have electronics in Brazil.
00:18:32.000Electronics? Yeah, your whole elections are rigged electronically, but at least you have computers in Brazil.
00:18:38.000We know the results. Oh, yeah. A lot of countries right around cannot claim the same.
00:19:02.000No, it's true, right? All the elections counted in a secret room that only a handful of people have access to.
00:19:08.000And the truth is you can't know the result.
00:19:10.000Of course. In other words, you're saying like, that's what we were told, but it's a legitimate thing to say because there's really no way of knowing.
00:19:15.000No, before the result, how can you prove that your vote is really the vote they are counting?
00:21:19.000In 2016, the two days after Donald Trump won the election in the U.S., the Brazilian Department of Justice opened an investigation against all assets that Donald Trump was related to in Brazil.
00:23:25.000Right. So... So I had my name on all the shows, like CBS Evening News, saying, well, the grandson of the former president was arrested for corruption for being associated with Donald Trump.
00:24:45.000Believe it or not, the son-in-law of a former president of Egypt was in prison with me.
00:24:52.000Oh, really? Yes. And the guy was put in the red notice because of the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:25:00.000That put his name on the Red Notice and he was living in the U.S. And because the Trump administration had this very stupid policy of arresting everyone that was on the Red Notice to be deported.
00:25:12.000It was like, you don't know how weaponized the Red Notice is.
00:25:15.000I think he should suspect right now because the Iran tried to put Donald Trump on the Red Notice.
00:25:20.000Right, yeah. And the Red Notice works like the government just put your name in there and that's it, period.
00:25:26.000Mm-hmm. So people need to understand that.
00:25:28.000I mean, they don't need to prove anything.
00:25:30.000Yeah. Meanwhile, they vet and approve of actual ISIS terrorists who are coming here through their CPP system in the United States.
00:25:38.000That was the craziest thing when you looked at these terrorists who were caught in the United States, illegal immigrants.
00:25:42.000They were already vetted and approved.
00:25:44.000So it's not like they're actuallyāit's a thorough process, orāthey can't claim it's a thorough process, and they can't claim that it was an honest mistake, because it just seems to be based on the political points of view of the people who end up there.
00:25:57.000Like, you can't accidentallyāoh, sorry, some ISIS terrorists got through, like, eight, and sorry, accidentally, this guy goes in.
00:26:04.000At a certain point, you know, it all adds up.
00:26:06.000It does. But it wasāI meanā It changed me completely as a person, and I do believe God makes that as part of His plans.
00:26:14.000And to me, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
00:26:17.000Because when I was able to get out of the...
00:26:23.000I have two small kids, and there were babies back then.
00:26:26.000But when I laughed, I felt like, okay, so now there's nothing they can do against me.
00:26:33.000And they went after me several times trying to destroy my reputation.
00:26:37.000I was like, I've been canceled before.
00:26:39.000There's nothing. You have nothing on me.
00:26:40.000You know the scene from Batman The Dark Knight where Batman holds the Joker and he starts smashing the Joker and the Joker laughs and says, all your power, you have nothing against me.
00:26:52.000Right, yeah. You have nothing against me.
00:26:54.000What leverage do they have? What leverage?
00:26:56.000Exactly. Because that's all they have.
00:26:58.000They go after you. They get your money.
00:27:00.000It's like, I don't care about none of this anymore.
00:30:47.000They opened this probe And it's the Supreme Court.
00:30:51.000So when he says, well, the Supreme Court raided, the federal police raided my house, they raided his house on orders of demorize on the Supreme Court.
00:31:02.000So it's like, I don't know, Alito decided to start raiding someone else's house to investigate fake news, and there's nothing in the Brazilian law about fake news.
00:31:14.000Without trial, without indictment, nothing.
00:31:17.000I never have been indicted or in a trial about fake news or something like that.
00:32:36.000They sent, because Brazil made a big case out of it, there was a Russian asset.
00:32:43.000Lula da Silva said to his partners and government people, the news says...
00:32:53.000We have got some source from the government saying Lula da Silva wants to exchange Alan dos Santos with the Russian agent that the United States wants.
00:33:47.000You have no idea how fast things collapse.
00:33:50.000But I stood up, and I stood up, and I fought back.
00:33:53.000For example, the day they raid my house, I went in front of the Supreme Court building, and I put my middle finger on it, and I took a picture.
00:34:03.000And when the MRIs ordered my arrest, I went to the Disney, in front of the Mickey Mouse and Minnie and all that stuff, and I said, you want to know where I am at?
00:34:41.000Yeah, and say get the f*** out of here.
00:34:43.000Yeah, you're fighting against a man a father of a family I'm not your your cheese in and the people you are used to to Yellow and they just knew right in front of you I'm not these kind of a shit you are used to there so and there are so many people both in the United States and I will say in Brazil to it being around enough Brazilians, but what I've noticed is a lot of them have that sort of that They want to have that freedom mindset, but they just don't.
00:35:09.000There's a kernel of it, but they don't really know what's happening.
00:35:12.000A lot of Brazilians here in the United States, in my experience.
00:35:15.000And their eyes can be opened if you explain it to them.
00:35:17.000But it seems like a lot of Brazilians, at least here stateside, don't take a super active role.
00:35:23.000And it's kind of like, eh, it's not an interest of mine.
00:35:25.000Which obviously is a lot of Americans, but that's been my experience.
00:35:40.000What Paulo said in the beginning is very important.
00:35:44.000People... I mean, let us put it this way.
00:35:46.000Every Brazilian, every American, every Canadian, they have their own domestic problem to solve.
00:35:53.000And because we are not internationalists like the Marxists, because to be a Marxist, you need to be internationalists.
00:36:03.000So we care about our country, but if we care about our country and we do not pay attention to what is going on outside...
00:36:11.000You are the next victim of the Marxists because they're working together.
00:36:17.000So if our enemy is working together, we need to find a way to work.
00:36:23.000I don't like the word working together, but we need to find a way to know each other and see what our enemy is doing because the enemy is the same.
00:36:35.000I mean, what they are doing against Brazil, what they are doing against Argentina, what they are doing against Chile, they are doing against the U.S. people too.
00:36:43.000So, if the American people see what is going on in the United States, they could understand better how to solve their own problems.
00:36:50.000For example, I'm going to put one problem here that's very common among Americans, and I saw this movie before in Brazil.
00:36:59.000Yes. You said one problem very common in America.
00:37:01.000I thought it was obesity. Obesity, no.
00:37:02.000So, for example, communists, they basically do not create problems.
00:37:10.000They master how to see a problem inside the society, and they boost the problem.
00:37:18.000Right. So they are not the creator of the problems.
00:37:23.000Because what kind of discussion problem do you have in North Korea?
00:38:57.000They make a big deal on this stuff while the enemy is getting stronger.
00:39:03.000Right. Well, let's talk about the enemy getting stronger.
00:39:06.000So Lula has buddied up, for people who don't realize, I think Americans can be removed from this a little bit because we have such a big country, right?
00:39:12.000And even then, if you go to sort of North America, you're still talking about the United States and people who are kind of ancillary, right?
00:39:19.000Where you are surrounded by a bunch of other countries where you either have to have alliances or in some cases in South America, right?
00:39:25.000You have enemies. With Lula, he's buddied up with, people may not realize this, Brazil, most important country in South America, a lot of other dictators, right?
00:39:34.000That's something that people may not necessarily realize.
00:39:59.000I would say now, and that's how crazy it is, and that connects to what I was saying in the beginning.
00:40:05.000I think if World War III happened now, Brazil wouldn't be on the side of the United States.
00:40:12.000At all? I don't want to say it would necessarily openly support the other side with China and whoever, but it wouldn't be on the U.S. side.
00:40:22.000It would maybe be neutral and helping China behind the scenes, but definitely wouldn't be...
00:40:27.000But if World War III broke out with Biden as president, I think he'd be on China's side.
00:40:32.000At least half of the Democrats would be on China's side.
00:40:37.000Yeah. No, I've said that about America, too, where for the first time, at least in my lifetime, you know, we're a flawed country, but in many ways, we could find ourselves on the wrong side of history.
00:40:45.000I mean, we find ourselves on the wrong side of history in mutilating and transitioning children.
00:40:49.000We find ourselves on the wrong side of history of kneecapping people who are protecting their own citizens who've been kidnapped and raped, you know, when you're talking about it.
00:40:56.000We're on the wrong side of history when you look at propping up corrupt governments.
00:41:00.000And I'm not saying that Russia in any way is noble, but I'm saying if you look at the history of Ukraine, what we've done in the United States.
00:42:47.000How many U.S. university work programs are funded by China, directly or indirectly?
00:42:52.000Right. Do you know who the biggest funder, the biggest foreign entity, well, the biggest foreign funder of American Education Institute, do you know who it is?
00:43:01.000It's Qatar. Guitar, it's not even close.
00:43:04.000You want to say that they share values?
00:43:07.000That's the problem with the whole hold hands, we are the world.
00:43:09.000I talk about this all the time. It sounds nice, but we are not the world.
00:43:12.000The world has been at war since the beginning of time.
00:43:14.000There is nothing virtuous about saying we are the world.
00:43:17.000Well, hold on a second. The world includes child sex trafficking, and not only legal, but mandated in certain places.
00:43:23.000Child brides. The world is an evil, dark, f***ing place.
00:43:27.000Pardon my language, but to drive that point home.
00:43:29.000So to say we are the world is to say we're tolerant of the deepest, darkest evils that exist in the world.
00:43:35.000And I don't think that people give that a lot of thought.
00:44:35.000And they say, well, what's going on in the world right now is that people were just fed up with this so-called liberal democracy when you see all these big corporations making billions of dollars.
00:44:48.000And you see all these people in power getting away with stuff and doing whatever they want.
00:44:53.000And you see all these bureaucrats that we don't elect making rules that change our lives.
00:45:20.000And you see that starting in 2015 with the Brexit in Europe, and you see the Donald Trump in the U.S., and you have Macri in Argentina before Millet, and you had...
00:45:31.000Of course, Bolsonaro and Brazil and a bunch of populist conservatives won.
00:47:08.000And I want to do two-a-days. Everyone said, yep, let's go.
00:47:11.000So for me to get those calls and for me to get those texts from other conservatives, either broadcasting from their basement or producing from staying at home, that changed me.
00:47:20.000It fundamentally changed me because that is something that I kind of can't take.
00:47:25.000I expect the left, you know, I was a scorpion when you met me.
00:47:28.000But I thought we were all on the same team and we weren't.
00:47:30.000That really only happens because you still have half the country who really should, or they do at least believe what we believe, but not the people who carry their mantle.
00:47:39.000There shouldn't be a lockdown in Texas.
00:47:43.000I mean, we were in Florida, so it was a little bit better, but even in Florida we had like a little less than two months of lockdown.
00:47:49.000Right. What happened on that is that, well, a lot of small business never recovered.
00:47:56.000Never. Never. A lot of people lost their job.
00:47:59.000You had a lot of family problems with drugs, with alcohol, psychiatric problems as well.
00:48:06.000Sure. Kids that never got the proper development, and they will never recover from these years.
00:48:11.000You don't get those formative years back.
00:48:12.000Exactly. And people, instead of getting less revolted with the, let's call it establishment, They got more revoted.
00:48:22.000And now, if you look at what happened in the elections in Europe, it's mind-blowing.
00:48:28.000Because Europe is the place of leftism.
00:48:33.000It's like everyone in Europe is secular, leftist.
00:50:24.000So the change that has been made in their perspective, and I'm saying that because we
00:50:31.000need to discuss about it to American people.
00:50:34.000Yes. We need to apply what the UN decided.
00:51:09.000Not what the Congress decided for their own people.
00:51:14.000We need to pay attention on it because there is no other country in the world that has a medicine or remedy for that unless the United States.
00:51:25.000And this is because of the United States Constitution.
00:51:28.000Paulo used a figure of speech that I love.
00:52:46.000And republic is not the opposite of monarchy, by the way.
00:52:50.000I mean, if you go back to the scholasticism text or even the modern time, I mean, I'm talking about 18th century or 17th century, the word republic was used for the common good.
00:53:06.000And the United States is the only one country in the world that people put a finger in the face of government.
00:53:17.000And we do not have that kind of constitution in other countries.
00:53:22.000So in order to reproduce the revolution the communists or the liberals are doing
00:53:28.000in the whole world the United States is the only one place that can fight back.
00:53:33.000So what Paulo said and people here in the United States need to understand that if
00:53:38.000this country the only one country that has the medicine the tool the way to
00:53:45.000fight back if this country falls there is no other place.
00:53:49.000So and then we need to go to Elon Musk and say how to go to Mars. Let me ask
00:53:55.000you before it before we go on because we will go to Mug Club too but you know give
00:53:59.000me some examples of the American left in Brazil because you touched on that.
00:54:03.000And I do have just a handful of notes here, but like the Sao Paulo reform and, for example, the road to socialism, where these sort of experiments, specifically the United States, the American left, sticking their oar in, in Brazil.
00:54:15.000Yeah, so Sao Paulo's Forum was created back in 1990 by Fidel Castro and Lula da Silva.
00:54:23.000They created this forum to make the socialists...
00:54:28.000It's a meeting. Yeah, it's a meeting in South America to make the communists not depending that much from Russia anymore.
00:54:36.000Right. So Castro and Lula, they had this kind of dream that we can do what Russia is giving up to with the perestroika and other stuff.
00:54:48.000I think your audience will understand per strike, right?
00:55:04.000Yes, generally. And when they created this organization, this criminal organization, they want to work together with the drug dealers and taking over the bureaucracy inside every country and taking over of the countries through election, not through army and revolution anymore.
00:55:25.000So not through violence, but through corruption.
00:55:29.000And when they did it, they have been helped by a lot of socialists in the United States.
00:56:53.000Yes. Bernie Sanders. What Paulo was trying to do in the U.S. Congress to put a light in the Brazilian situation, Brazilian tyranny, he was facing a hard time to talk with the Congress right-wing politicians in the United States because they have no clue about anything in Brazil.
00:57:17.000Believe it or not, other than Chris Smith...
00:57:20.000No one even wanted to listen. Now they do a little bit. It's better.
00:57:24.000But the Christmas, which is a congressman from New Jersey, a Republican,
00:57:29.000he was the only one that, since the beginning, was like, oh, this is a serious human rights issue.
00:57:34.000And he started gathering a little bit of support.
00:57:36.000But I think the point Alan is making is that the Brazilian left, they come to the U.S.,
00:57:43.000they get meetings immediately with Bernie Sanders, senators.
00:57:46.000They get resolutions approved in Senate.
00:57:49.000They get red carpet treatment in the United States.
00:57:53.000The Brazilian conservatives, I came with a delegation of 20 Brazilian congressmen to the Capitol, and we couldn't get a hearing with a congressman, with a single congressman from the Republicans.
00:58:04.000It doesn't surprise me. I wish it did, but it doesn't.
00:58:06.000Exactly. So what he's saying is that the left has all the connections in place.
00:58:11.000They support... Soros is funding all the left's initiatives in Brazil.
00:58:15.000We don't have any billionaire, not even fracking billionaires, supporting conservatives in Brazil.
00:58:22.000Right. At all. Again, because of this difference on philosophy.
00:58:26.000And by the way, to frame... We're doing it very poorly.
00:58:42.000Yeah. Elon Musk won't even remove the sanctions.
00:59:48.000You don't care. And so you can use all of these alliances that are interchangeable to manipulate because your true north is not some kind of national interest.
00:59:59.000And they make a lot of money in the meantime.
01:00:00.000And they do, yes. And there's no anchor to almost an albatross around the neck of conservatives because they do ultimately have to, if they are true conservatives, come back to caring about the nation.
01:00:11.000And so that does cut out a good portion of the globe.
01:00:14.000As an ally that you can just use and manipulate.
01:00:16.000You know who was number two ally in the U.S. Senate of Lula?
01:00:21.000Of Lula? Yeah. Number one was Bernie Sanders.
01:03:30.000I'm an optimist. I think Donald Trump will be elected, and I think the world will, for the first time, fight back the establishment a little bit.
01:03:51.000And the left knows that. It's kind of like, you know, and we'll talk about this fighting and jujitsu, and we'll get there because you're wrong.
01:03:58.000But you don't just look to what the fighters...
01:04:02.000Before Mug Club, with everyone watching, we have twice my size, and I'll still beat you.
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